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as a host of them souls.
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true God when he's dead?
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to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
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one of our shows if you didn't forget my name,
even what we're on thirteen years now we've known each
other and.
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So why don't we go ahead and get right into
the show and our guest tonight, speaking of Marx. His
name is Mark Beale and he's a hypnotherapist specializing in
past life, between life regression and spirit releasement. He's given
over five thousand regression sessions as a practitioner since two
thousand and six. As a teacher, he has tens of
thousands of students for his video courses and mentors and
certifies advanced students in spiritual regression therapies through his Past
Life Awakening Institute. He is the author of Past Life Awakening,
seven Regression Case Studies illustrate seven spiritual Laws. So welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3: Thanks good to be here, Mike, Well, thank you for
joining us.
Speaker 1: Oh can you can you hypnotize me to remember his name. Please.
Speaker 3: Hypnosis can do magic, but I can't do everything.
Speaker 5: Oh well, like I said, it wouldn't be us if
we didn't have these kind of technical issues.
Speaker 1: You see in the office, I've got I've got it
written on the wall, Mark Johnson.
Speaker 5: Do you have it? You have a picture of a
jackass and my name written under it. That's right there,
we go. See, this is what you're in for today, Mark. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, uh, tell us a bit about yourself as we
get started, and what got you into being a hypnotherapist
and working with past lives and any other things you do.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I'm fifty two now and I've been doing
this full time since i was thirty two. So I'm
twenty years in this work as a full time professional,
doing nothing else, just hypnotizing people all day and going
back to past lives. And so I started it at
thirty two, and I got into it. I had an
awakening basically around twenty four, twenty five. So I had
a conventional background before that. I got a finance economics degree,
and I felt and I didn't have necessarily an inclination
towards healing until I went on a meditational treat at
twenty four to twenty five and had breakthrough experiences that
made me connect with spiritual awakening, and that led to
spontaneous regression. I was trying to be in hypnosis and
experience or in meditation and have meditative states, but I
accidentally spontaneously experienced what I'd call hypnotic states, and that's
what got the ball rolling. And then there's a whole
integration process before going full time.
Speaker 5: Fantastic, and you've done how many? How many different regressions
have you done to date?
Speaker 3: Over five thousand sessions with people over the last twenty years,
but which And it isn't actually that much because I
had a really intensive period for the first seven years
and took a break and became a teacher. So if
I'd only been being an individual practitioner, I would have
done another five thousand, But those hours I've spent making
material and teaching people.
Speaker 5: So when you're doing past life regressions for people, what
is your ultimate goal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a good question, and because when people
come to me sometimes they'll say, I want to know
who I was in my past life, as if that's
the goal, And so I as a professional I take
it as a therapy, which is we're there to heal
significant issues, which is to a lot of people do
past life progression kind of as a hobby or as
one of many other modalities that they do. But I've
only ever had hypnotherapy and hypnotic regression as the only
modality I do, and the only clients I take are
the ones that need or want healing for serious pains
in their life, and so the purpose of it is
then to fight to regress to the root causes of
those pains and heal them so they can be more
present and healed in this moment I heard.
Speaker 5: I've read different accounts where I mean following everybody from
doctor Raymond Moody to other even Dolores Cannon and working
with past.
Speaker 1: I mean when she was my favorite.
Speaker 5: Okay, I honestly have never heard of her. She's over
there in the UK.
Speaker 1: I don't know where she is. But she wrote mine
pro didn't she.
Speaker 5: H not familiar with that one, But that's just me.
You know, a lot of people will go if they're like, say,
somebody has a very bad phobia, and then you can
regress them and maybe take them back to a past
life where something happened to them that caused that phobia,
and usually the person comes out of it not having
that phobia anymore.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, that's exactly right. So that is quite a
good example of a presenting issue that's causing people pain.
But phobia is an interesting one. Sometimes people have phobias
and I'm afraid of snakes. But if you live in
a lot of places in the city, like who cares,
and so they can live with a phobia for a
lot of time. But then if they have a compelling
need to travel, their partner has got a job in Thailand,
for example, they have to go there or and that's
preventing them from living the life that they wanted. It
suddenly goes from who cares to being a really significant issue,
and then they have to face it. And the funny
thing is of actually one of the case stages of
my book is a guy who had he came to me.
The very first thing he said, the thing that he
wanted to heal was a phobia of bees because he
was living in Costa Rica. I think it was it
moved from from another place, a cold place, and wasn't
used to all this stuff. But it turned out that
as we got into it, he had childhood issues with
being bullied, and there was a sort of an emotional
connection between being bullied by the wildlife in your back
garden and being bullied as a child, and then that
led us to being bullied by ets that were buzzing
around him and creating problems as well. So there's a
big difference between the presenting issue that people bring and
the real issue that actually needs to be dealt with.
So a conscious mind can analyze and try and think
what it is that we need. But when we get
into hypnosis, the magic comes in that the subconscious starts
revealing what's actually happening. And then it turns out the
conscious reason they had for coming was just to get
them in the door. And then then when you get
into these root causes, all sorts of things can come up.
Speaker 1: And I ask your question trying that you said the
word buzzing. Did you mean because buzzing, yes and fast?
What did you mean buzzing is in another term?
Speaker 4: Ah?
Speaker 3: Well, it's just they some Well, you can have entity
attachments that just sort of metaphorically buzz around and for example,
keep people awake. So if people have bad dreams, they
may be sort of buzzing on the on them psychologically
as opposed and bees can be buzzing around you, like
literally physically.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I worked on a place one the one or
going back a few years, walked into the room. There
was nothing in there, but the buzzing was unbelievable. Okay,
there's nothing to be seen, but I knew it was
absolutely packed with whatever it was that was causing this buzzing.
I won't go into detail, but when you said the
word buzzing, it just triggered that back to those days,
you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and so well, actually that's a good. So
we're talking about past lives. But the book I have
three k I've got seven K studies. The first three
are pretty routine past life stuff and then it goes
into between lives. But what I found and the one
I wanted to do with this book was bring in
some of these like earth bound spirits, ets, dark entities,
the kind of things that can sort of buzz around
people's psychologically and created a dark cloud or some sort
of irritation or something that caused them unease. And it's
not linked to past lives. And maybe it can be
an attachment or an energy they picked up in a
past life or the remedy can be. So let's say,
if you've got something buzzing, that's something that I haven't
really experienced. So I'm not a medium or a psychic
who picks up on this. I'm someone who puts some
other people in hypnotic states and then they report back
to me what they're experiencing on the inside. And they
might what instead of buzzing, they tend to pick up
like literally auditory words from entities that say things like,
you know, swear words or criticisms or limiting beliefs. And
then I'd then engage with that voice and may then
and then regress it. If it is an earth bound spirit,
maybe regress it to its own death and heal it.
Or if it's a dark spirit, it may then go
back to some realm where it chose for darkness or
God in service of darkness, and speak with it, and
it might even you know, buzzing is still not something
I'd have, But they might even just try and create
static to confuse you, to overwhelm you, to irritate you.
Speaker 1: Like bees, like a swarm of bees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but what what what was going on with that?
I mean, did you did you find out what it
was or what what do you think was behind it?
Speaker 1: It was very very dark and tis haunts in this
place that had to be moved. You can't destroy and
but you can help to remove them, you know, make
it more settled in there. And that's what I did.
Speaker 3: Did you end up speaking with them? Did you do
it like kinesthetically verbally.
Speaker 1: Mind to mine sort of like esp I don't talk.
Speaker 3: Physically to them, No, okay, we'll talk my.
Speaker 1: Mind to them. And I was answers in my.
Speaker 3: Head, right, Well, would they say things like, you know,
if if we don't want to talk to you, and
then you would say.
Speaker 1: Something One called me stupid old woman?
Speaker 3: Right there? You go. That sounds familiar. But they often
start like trying to like bully you and and then
when you and and.
Speaker 1: Get very far with me exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well they'll say stuff to me like, you know,
if you you're not good enough to be able to
help us, we're going to take your clients hours. And
I'll say, look, guys, I know you're trying to like
use fear or aggression, but it doesn't work on me.
But I know why you're doing it, because other people
use fear and aggression on you, and it worked on you.
It's just not going to work on me.
Speaker 1: So you talk to them in a nice, nice way
then kind of sensible but nice. Yes, firm but nice.
Speaker 3: That was That was all I was thinking of. Is
you're saying it firm but fair.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the opposite.
Speaker 5: I'm the she tells them to.
Speaker 1: My energy rises so high that it's absolutely it feels
like I'm going to you know, I could last building
to pieces. That's what it feels like, the amount of
energy that rises inside of my body. I think it's
that that they pick up on that they don't like it.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, you know what? Okay, interesting and so like,
how how does it does that? Does that? I don't
like it?
Speaker 1: I think they feel this energy or this energy you
know that I am creating or I'm put. Now, it's
like an animal, isn't it? If you if you're a
if you're stern or anything, or if you look at
a dog, or how can I explain it? If it's
the way you stand, the way you put your energy
and everything which makes that by you or just you
or whatever or buye you.
Speaker 3: Well, that's a great point. I love that well. I
always I use that metal for a lot myself, like
with with dogs and so. And it's like if you
if you take one step back, if you run, the
dog will chase you in repute pieces if you take
if you take one step back, the dog will come
at you and keep barking lost exactly. If you hold
your ground, you're doing okay. But if you take a
step forward, you take a step forward and even you know,
come yeah. And but even then little tactics like you know,
you can like just grab it by the back of
the neck and mold it or or you know, stand
over it, or you know, you pick it up and
throw it around, you know, like I just I sort
of grab them like two handles, like the back and
the front. I lived in India for years, so I've
had a lot of experience with street dogs. But it
really does follow through with spirits, and so I sort
of be like the like I'm so unreactive. It's almost
like they think, oh God, this guy's a psycho. He's
he's like so calm and so cutting in the way
that he's coming back at me. So yeah, So like
there's a lot you can sort of go mad dog
on them, or you can just be like so calm.
They're like, you know, so I sort of tend to
go for the you know that the super calm, but
also taking steps forward and and Mike because they're trying
to mind game us, and and I just sort of you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, one, yeah, they do love messing with the mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think you're I think you'd find me a
very interesting subject to tell you the truth.
Speaker 3: Well, do you have things that like attached to you
or yeah, I mean if you had attachments that you're
aware of.
Speaker 1: I have had a attachment, but I don't allow attachments.
I'm very very h Yeah, I don't know this. I can't.
Mark could explain it more, or my books could explain
it more than I can explain it. Sorry about the
froggy throat, everybody, but I'm finally difficult talking today. But that.
Speaker 3: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: I went to a hypnotist. I must tell you this.
I went to a hypnotist. Oh huh. The reason, there's
the reason why I got froggy throat. It's medical. I
went to a hypnotist once years and years ago to
stop smoking. And this hypnotists done nothing about take me
through my death scene into a previous life, but before
I was born in that life, I had to explain.
He tried to get me to explain what I was seeing,
what was happening before I came back as someone else,
And he took me through several lives and each one
each after each death scene, what are you seeing now,
what you're feeling? Can you see anything? And I wasn't
telling him. I was just stump, was not meant to
saying a word. And then he brings me back into
a birth scene and then I started, you know, telling
him who I was whatever what. But as soon as
that person that one died and he took me back
into wherever hell heaven depends on what's out there or
a different dimension or whatever. I just piped out. I
just climbed up, totally climbed up and wouldn't tell him
but his whole thing that he was so intent on
trying to find out if there was something there, and
he thought I would give him the answer anyway. He
was meant to be stopping me from smoking. When I
left there, I came out and oh, in the very
last five minutes, he turned around and tried to say
on me that I wouldn't want a cigarette anymore. I
don't like the taste of cigarettes because while you're under hypnosis,
I don't know whether this is right with you, but
you are still aware of something. If somebody moved in
a room, you will hear it. If an aeroplane went over,
you will hear it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, for the most part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, in the last five minutes he was
trying to tell me and I didn't want a cigarette.
I didn't like the taste of them, this, that and
the other. And I came out of there and by
the time I got to his front gate, I lit
up a cigarette.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 1: The whole thing. Was more important to him than anything else.
I was trying to find out what happened between life and.
Speaker 5: Death without your permission.
Speaker 4: Yes, it was a.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Mark Well.
Speaker 3: I said that I was a practitioner for seven years
and very quickly became a teacher and trainer. And this
is why, because for seven years I'd listened to people's
saying this is what happened to me when I went
to a hypnotherapist or a past life therapist, and I said,
I'm furious that people are doing such a bad job
in my profession. That I must be a trainer so
I can train people and they can do a good job,
not this kind of stuff. So that's why I became
a trainer very early.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was anti charge me money, but it was
all for his own you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's also like you know what that, like
I mentioned, there are professionals and there are amateurs or hobbyists.
And to be even like even to me, I offer
programs of three to five sessions because for me, I
feel having a beginning, middle, and end and being able
to follow up and follow through is important. And that's
to me a characteristic of how professionals operate. But you know,
like I say, and it's sort of it's okay in
some ways that like people as amateurs or hobbyists are
building up skills or they're introducing people to it and
then if they decide so because people go to The
reason these people survive is because people want to save
money or do the quick thing or someone says they
can do it in one session, and which is still
possible with just the habit of smoking. But if you're
wanting to work, if you're wanting to work with significant
emotional issues, to think that you know, a psychologist. I
went to a psychologist of three years. He couldn't do it?
Can you do it in ninety minutes? It's like, you know,
if you're doing something serious, at least three to five
sessions isn't a lot and having a professional approach. But
you know, again, so there's a lot of unprofessionalism there.
Does The idea of suggestion based only as a remedy
for breaking habits is a very limited way. So I'd
regress people to the causes when it comes to cigarette smoking,
because for me, it's not just the thing that's smoking
in your hand. It's whatever's smoking, whatever's burning inside of you.
And often there is some sort of emotional group cause,
some deeper level, so that people go through a three
session program, they stop smoking and they've pulled out the
fire of whatever else was was burning there. I mean,
some people just do have no other issues than only
a habit, but most people there'll be something else going on,
and you're able to make, you know, a real lifelong
breakthrough in a lot of areas, and that's the stopping
smoking becomes almost a secondary benefit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can believe that. I'm glad you said
that about yourself, because I know you're not like that man,
You're not like that person that tried to do that
to me. Yeah, and that is obvious. You really do
feel for what you're talking about. Yeah, but with me,
I've got I met And I would say this again
to everybody, put their cigarettes out because otherwise you're going
to end up like me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I was a smoker for I was a
smoker for a while as well. And but yeah, it's yeah,
it's it's in a way. You know a lot of
things that we think can harm us in a way,
but we will have to go through healing journey and
learning lessons and stuff. So it is for a lot
of people. Actually they become hypno therapists because they got
a good hypno therapist, they stopped. In fact, I had
a number of people would come to some of a
guy who was on my first training course. He only
came because he did some smocks stopped smoking sessions with
me and he couldn't believe that they worked. And he
was so amazed at the process that I did with
him that he came to my training course to learn
what I did to him.
Speaker 1: Well, I wish, I tell you now, I wish what
all those years ago. I wish that man had done
that job properly because I wouldn't be in the situation
I am now. You know, I smoked again another forty
odd years after that.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, it's a it's a
shame to hear it, but that's you know, forty years.
I mean, hopefully the profession that the profession has changed
a lot over the years. But yeah, unfortunately your story
is not an unusual one. But you know it literally
hearing that that created pain. It creates pain for everybody.
So it just comes down to, you know, why do
I even do hypnotherapy? And it's really to address, you know,
significant issues and to heal and deal with real pain.
And I think that's what hypnotherapy is about. Just suggestions
to stop habits. Is a lot more to it, but
I think that's part. I think people understand that I
would have people come again, coming back to the presenting issues.
People say, I've got a limiting belief, can we work
on that? But then that have a session and realize, wow,
I had no idea hypnotherapy and regression could do so
much more. And then they open up the scope of
the outcomes that they want to get and they can
go so much deeper. And so that's another reason why
I have like three to five sessions as my minimum,
because people are bringing really sophisticated issues and that's part
of this education process, people knowing that it can do
more and that it's worthwhile. You know, like you say,
what is it? Is it worth spending a bit of
extra money to do a couple of sessions, more sessions
and prevent yourself having forty years of the side effects
of this And do.
Speaker 1: You think how much I spent on cigarettes and that
forty years? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, it would have been done,
like you say, we've been done so cheaper to have
another couple of sessions. But he wasn't interested in stopping
me smoking. Yeah, job, it was only out for his
own interest, like I said. But getting back to this,
how many have you have you? What's your dult stuff
do you come up against when you hypnotize these people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well when I talk about the deepest scope, so
it's rare. So I've been doing this for twenty years.
For the first ten years, I would do smoking, weight loss, phobias,
this kind of thing. But now it's pretty much as
consciousness changes, even in the last five years, it's much
more about actually people becoming healers as well. So I
think people have been I mean they've been motivated to
become healers by reading Brian Weiss or Michael Newton, that
and even a lot of psychologists. So half of my
students are professional healers like psychologists, counselors, social workers with
a scientific kind of a degree, and they have their
own spiritual awakenings and then they'll come to me for
heal sessions on how to have confidence to be a healer,
which means how to speak their truth about the experiences
they've had in the face of criticism from their colleagues
that they perceive or at least are worried about. What
tends to happen is that when they do start to
do more spiritually oriented therapies, their psychology colleagues much more
accepting of it than they might have thought. And so yeah,
that's a big part of what I do is working
with people on their unspiritual awakening so that they can
offer more spiritually orientated sessions to people who are awakening
and wanting to deal with some of the consequences of that.
So there can be dark knights of the souls that
can be transitions involved in how do you move from one,
you know, type of work to another? Yeah, yeah, it's
actually yeah, so when I have lost the question and
that answer.
Speaker 1: I ash what type of dark stuff when you're hadbitize, Yeah, right,
dark the light of dark attachments and things or.
Speaker 3: Warantines or whatever. Yeah, and so well that's that's so
to my point. So that's the reason why these psychologists
are being attracted to spiritual healing. Sometimes it's because, you know,
the classic one was Brian Weiss, was I put you
in regression and hypnotic regression and you accidentally regress to
a past life instead of this life. And you know
that was Brian documented that thirty years ago, and that's
still the case. But what I've been finding is that
people regress people back to past lives and then they
find art that there are entities attached or connected to them,
and so they can or like Michael Newton, they can
connect to their sole group and there can be other
beings there that might be loved ones, but there can
be earth bound spirits that can be random. And so
what I see is and so this is sort of
like the first half of my book is conventional past
in between lives. But then what I'm seeing now over
the last five or ten years, we're phasing out of
doing these habit breaking hypnotherapy and we're phasing in to
doing spiritual aggression beyond past lives, which is working with
earth bound spirits, dark Force entities, and ets. So they
are the three categories of things. And half of the
time people like send me intake forms saying I know
I've got a dark Force entity or an earth bound
because it says I'm lost or I'm going to drain
your energy and you. In fact, that's even part of
the one of the things that can be driving addictions,
which is it's telling me to stay up and drink
or smoke or binge eat, And so they say these
thoughts that I'm having and these emotions that I'm feeling,
I know they're not mine. And so it's actually interesting
before you were saying like I have this I few
energy like and you sort of like have that. But
to me, that's a form of barrier. There's an important
difference between having that you know, I've got a boundary,
which is don't you try and get close to me.
But the other one is people start to feel they're
in their relationships and they will start having conflict or
aggression towards a friend, and they'll realize, I'm actually not
that angry. That anger is coming from something else, and
it'll be an entity which is trying to create separation
and division and trying to have that person alone for themselves.
So one of the things that these dark entities want
to do is prevent people from becoming healers and prevent
people from being in loving, healthy relationships.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I totally agree with her, But you could
when you when there is something around. And I've talked
to people before, and not only do they they tell me,
by the way, like you just explained through these things,
you know, god uh, mentioning things like you want to
drink that, or you want to do this, or want
to do that, these sort of attachments, you know, they
get onto paper, like you're saying, then that person starts
drinking or whatever. But I've actually talked to people when
I've gone when I've really pressed into them, they say
to me, I can feel it inside me. I can
feel that thing inside my body. Yeah, you know, in
other words, they're feeling the energy of that actual you
know if you were sitting here watching me, My hands
are flying all over the place, talking like an Italian here,
I'm trying to explain this.
Speaker 5: Wherever that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can. Actually it's like me when I walk
into a room, I know instantly if there's something there
or there's not something there. I know by feeling it
what level it is at, whether it's nothing to be
worried about, or whether it's something that's really a bit
a basket case, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I talk to these people that have attachments
sort of think they have attachments, you know, many, like
I said, many of them to say, it's inside me.
I can feel it. I can feel it. They feel
in the energy, they fit in the energy inside their bullets.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's exactly what I see. People tell me that,
And that's the reason they come for sessions or they
know something's not right. I don't know what it is.
I'll come into the session and suddenly the armill start moving,
they'll be twitching their legal twitch, they'll kick like sort of,
and then they'll start feeling I've got this really heavy
or sharp or or stabbing or tingling or or spiky sensation.
Uh in the and and you talked about buzzing. Sometimes
what they'll actually do is they'll start breathing in a
strange way, but then they'll start kind of growling.
Speaker 1: Oh yes. And the amount of times i've heard goodbye
you you can walk past once. I would go into
the toilet once and as I was going, I was
in such a hurry. It was one night, and as
I was this was our house in London, and as
I was heading along the corridor to the hallway to
the toilet, this deep growl came from a doorway very close,
but the door was shut. It was just in like
an alcove, and it was a very really demonic type ground.
And I say, oh, for God's shop. I want to
get to the loop first, just dive for the loop.
When I come out, the whole feelure it was all clear.
Speaker 3: It's gone okay. Yeah. So so for me, when I
when people start growling like that, it's often like it's
like they've revealed themselves because a lot of times they've
been hiding, and so they they'll sort of growl and
then I'll say the people yeah, through the person exactly,
So I don't hear it as a buzzing or anything.
I don't hear it. It's through their vocal cords. Or
they'll say to me, I'm hearing something growling and saying this,
and then they relay it or they'll just growl, and
so then I was all, then address that. And so
it's like it's like a little worm sticking its head
up and I would just sort of grab it and
then start pulling it out and say, growler, we know
you're there. And I will say and then and they'll say, oh,
he looks pissed off that you've that you found and
he's trying to hide in the corner. And so then
I would say, growler, you've made a little mistake there,
haven't you. We now we know that you're there, and
and he says, I don't want to talk to you,
and I said, interesting, you just told me you don't
want to talk to me, So you are talking to
me and then you engage them in conversation, and it's
like you give them enough rope and then they start
giving you information and you can start tying them into
knots with the rope in information that they're giving you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you, I'm surprised that you have not
read doctor Irene Hickman. I really am woll that.
Speaker 3: Was that was very much like you well, that was
the other mark by the way, you said he hadn't
read it. So she did remote deep depossession that book,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, brilliant.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, so yeah, so I'm aware of her and
that kind of work. And actually William book. Yeah, and
you know, so William Baldwin is probably my primary resource there.
But yeah, there are a number of writers in it,
so Iren Hickman's one of them. Absolutely.
Speaker 5: She was one of the.
Speaker 1: Early ones from she died a long.
Speaker 3: Time ago, yeah, twenty years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sure.
Speaker 3: Y yeah. Edith Fiori is another good one just for
for people the unquite dead. And William J. Baldwin Spirit
Releasement a technique manu is also amazing. But yeah, it's
interesting to note this has been you know, people have
people and the this has been part of the the
people's work, you know, because you know, Hickman was a physician,
so she's a medical trained trained person and and and
so that's so I include that in the book just
to testify that, you know, this kind of thing does happen,
because it's something even when people do things like q
H h T. They even past lives like Brian Weiss,
he does they a lot of the past life writerers
don't mention it that much. But I think it's what
I find, and is that people come, people come to me.
And of course I could just have a completely biased
selection of people like spirit sends them to me, and
it's not actually that much of a popular thing. But
what I'm seeing more and more is more people are
being drawn to me and the people that I teach
of finding oh my clients. So having this kind of
thing as well, and so it's just and when people
encounter it and that isn't spoken about that what widely,
then they can think that it's sort of some sort
of aberration. So I'm glad that you know that the
writers that have preceded us as speaking about it. I
wanted to, you know, let people know that this kind
of thing can happen. And what also happens is like
they might see, oh, there was a buzzing here or
a grolling there, and they haven't read Hickman or Fiore
or Baldwin or you know, or we'll see my courses
and then they don't really know what it is. And
they don't know what to do with it, and so
to me, there's sort of a complex way of releasing
it in a simple way. So a lot of people
will then bring in archangels, send them to the light,
tell them what to do, which is which is great,
And so to me that's sort of the one off
session or the quick way of doing it. And if
that works, then great. You know, it's a pretty simple
technique of just really saying, you know, we don't give
your sovereign permission. We insist that you go to the light.
But like you say, they can be deceptive and if
they just say if you are not going to and
they don't, well, then it can be another journey. And
so I teach people when they get what do you
So people ask me, what do you do when you
bring in the archangels and you stand strong and you
stay in your power and you bring in the light
beings and you tell them to go to the light.
And most of the time that works, but sometimes it doesn't.
What do you do then? And so that's kind of
my course is an answer to that question. What I
then tend to do is because things can be wrapped up,
so you can have I mentioned earth bound spirits and
dark force entities and et. So in my case studies,
I show somebody had this life trauma, that they had
a lot of fear and anger and guilt, and then
they had that had that doubles up because they had
a similar pattern of past life. And then an earth
bound spirit comes in that's feeling a lot of few
and anger and guilt and doubles that, and that earth
bound spirit's got a dark force attachment which is telling
it if you don't haunt this person, I'm going to
if you up, and then there may be an ET
observing all this. And so now you've got a real
big mess, and just saying go to the light or
you know, release your anger isn't going to do it,
or might do it a little bit for a little while,
but then you have to untangle the whole thing. So
you have to do hypnotherapy and past lives and release
an earth bound spirit and all the other earth bound
where there's one that's men.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to interrupt on Yeah, it's very much like
what also what Sharman's do, isn't.
Speaker 3: It A Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that's now that's Marxism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not I have some of my clients or
students have some a shamanistic background. I don't, uh, And
so I often find a lot of people in Simon's
and past lives. Some people can be Simon's in this lives.
But you know, I'm really kind of regression based and
I have quite a particular protocol. But yeah, I'm curious.
I'm curious to know and different Shimon's. There are different
Somanic traditions. Don't know about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not an expert on that I've but my
case marks more into that sort of air.
Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't call myself an expert.
Speaker 1: Better than may on that area. Yeare better than me.
I'll just that the bogus.
Speaker 5: Well mark. What I'm interested in is this whole idea.
I mean, there's most people just hear about past life
progressions and was what we were talking about earlier, looking
at maybe issues from past life bleeding over today. But
this whole concept of attachments and multiple attachments including aliens,
I mean, what is it with I can understand dark entities,
I can understand human attachments, but what is it with
alien is an attachment or is it they're just interested
in that person for whatever reason. I mean, what's your.
Speaker 3: Thoughts A great question, So I differentiate. I say that
you can have attachments as earth bound attachments and dark
force attachments, but I don't speak of ET attachments. So
I think that's a great point that you raise, and
so I don't. I don't think of ET's as being attached.
It is more that what I find is that they
can be observing people and and and and by doing that,
like to the extent of gathering data and that, and
that they may also what I find is be running
experiments or rather than an eaty attaching to you, what
I find is that they can put in a psychic device.
So I think of it more in terms of an
ET device implant that may modify or create some sort
of experiment or a tempt to make some sort of
alteration or improvement in the human and then gather data
and see the results of their experiment. And sometimes they
may not. The device may just be a monitoring device
to learn about us, or it may be to modify us.
And that's something that again at my core, all I
rarely want to do is if you've got some sort
of pain that's affecting you negatively in the present moment
and you want to use your subconscious mind and go
onto hypnosis to go to a root cause and to
figure it out. Let's do that. So I'm not a
person who grew up or even now is really particularly
interested in ets. I'm only really interested in them when
they become my business because they're affecting my client negatively
or in some way, and so that's actually, you know,
it's actually we don't even assume that it's negative because
you can do routine ish past life regression and fine
that people were ET's in a past life, or that
they have they have a purpose or some sort of
lineage to ets, and then that's not a problem or necessarily.
But what happens these days as well, because it's begun
something that's sort of more the last five or ten years,
a higher profile people do channel ets, and that's going
to happen as well. This is how people sometimes get
dark entities because they do practices where they want to
connect with their spirit guides, but they open up and
they don't have the boundaries and they just connect to
anything and everything. So that's how people got sort of
dark entities in the past, and these days people can
be wanting to channel the Palladians or whatever it may be.
But then they'll say to me, oh, I channel the
Palladians and they're so wise and it's amazing. But then
I start channeling some of these other beings and I'm
not quite sure what they are, but now I'm getting nightmares.
Speaker 5: If you could answer this question considering that you don't
really deal with it as from this point of view,
but would those people that have something to do with aliens,
would you think that they're more likely to be experiencers
who have dealt with or or ongoingly actively dealing with
these types of beings.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So by experience it do you mean someone who's
had contact in the past or yes.
Speaker 5: Whether whether an abductee or just a contact.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely no, So that that's pretty much anyone who
has some sort of eaty device, it will be an
experiencer or a contact e or I mean they'll even
wonder like so I haven't in the book, I've got
one of the case studies says I had. You know,
he also was not like a believer or guy who
was like reading a lot about ets and like wanted
to wanted to be He was he literally said to
me even a year ago, I didn't even believe in
that people had a soul. I was a scientific rationalist.
I would never come for past lives at lone ets.
But then I had this dream where I was taken
up into a ship and I had had a long,
a long, complicated, convoluted story. And he woke up in
the morning and told his girlfriend, I had this ridiculous
dream of these ten things. And as he told it
the girlfriend, I said, I had exactly the same dream,
and everything happened to me as well when we were
there together.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 3: And then he was like, wow, I yeah, that sort
of son. But then he wonders, does that mean that
I was psucked on into a ship or was I
dreaming it? Was it a psychic experience? Was it a
literal physical one? And he wasn't sure. But typically the
people that I work with that have some sort of
et connection will have had an experience like that.
Speaker 5: Another question is have you encountered Let's say some people
coming in and they feel maybe they have an attachment
or they feel something about with aliens, and turns out
when you're regressing them that maybe people are just highly
what's the term they're so highly suggestive, open to suggestion,
and open to believing things in their waking life that
they're manifesting these types of things when they don't, when
those types of things are not actually happening to them.
Let's say somebody who believes an alien so much that
they think they've been abductor have experiences, and it turns
out they really haven't. Have you ever encountered anything like that?
Speaker 3: I encountered that all the time. So that's why I
make this point about my case study. Had no interest, belief,
or desire to have anything to do with ETAs, but
it happened to him, which And I say that because
it's in contrast to people who want to believe or
they've read a lot of books about it and it's
seeped in and they can't tell if it's my experience
or something I read in the book a long time ago.
And so I include the cases of the people who've
never read those books and have no interest in this
life anyway, because it just sort of validates it a
bit more. But the other key thing, so if someone
says to me, you know, I want to aggress the
past lives, then and I feel a connection to it.
Then most people will be able to do that as
long as but when it comes to these ets or
spirit releasement things, there is I have to do a
filtering process to ensure that when I do take people
into when I agree to even give those sessions, I'm
kind of giving the suggestion that what you're talking about
ets and dark forces may be real, because I've validated
enough to take the money and do the work. And
so I fifty percent of the people that send me
an intake form for spirit release or darkfes or ebs,
I won't work with them because of that very reason,
So I will turn away. Let's say, if someone says
to me, oh, I just I'm a tourist. I don't
know anything about past lives, but my friend told me
that they're called so I want to do a past
life session, and I don't have any real issues. I just,
you know, want to know what I was. I probably
wouldn't work with a person like that because I need
to do therapy to work on pain over a longer term.
But you know, maybe one that only happens, you know,
five or ten percent of the time, But fifty percent
of the time people approach me with I think that
I've got an entity attachment, and actually it really is
just sort of unresolved fear or anger from this life.
And they don't really need spirit releasement. They just need
hepnotherapy or something else, and so that so it's a
great question, and so it's something I'm really careful about
because I don't they may be suggestible themselves, and I
don't want to enable or back up a false suggestion
they're giving. So I turn away literally half of the people.
And in my training courses in that's why in the book,
I really include the intake forms, which is very unusual
for these kind of writings. That's why I had only
seven case studies, but very detailed, so I can literally
show the intake forms and my training courses I have
here the intake forms people sent me that were not
good enough for me to accept them for these sessions.
And so because a lot of people they think, oh,
I think I've got an earth bound or a dark force,
and then they read the real intake forms and they go,
holy shit, I thought I had it bad might is
nothing compared to what these ones are. And these are
the ones that they end up working.
Speaker 5: With Wow with some of the case studies in the book,
and of course we want everybody to go in and
get the book. So, but is there one particular case
study that you've done that really stands out to you,
maybe even makes you scratch your head a little bit
in terms of, you know, the amount of strangess you
might have encountered.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I am kind of a grinded person.
So I actually will come back to something that move
away from dark forces and all this stuff, because you know,
there are dark forces that operate now in our world
and have done for millennia. You know, we'd you know,
as humans, we'd go around and you know, war and
kill and steal and destroy and all of this stuff.
So there was a case study in there where she's
a psychologist. She's one of the examples that she wanted
to do spiritual healing work. She had like pains in
her knees, she had a karmic connection to Tibetan monks,
she had a comic connection and wanted to do spiritual healing,
but she also didn't want to because she felt a
pleasure and a positivity but also a great negativity, And
so we took her into a past life, and she
found out she was a Tibetan monk. But we went
to a moment where she was an invading force came
along and she wasn't killed, but all of her students were.
And so this is a case where she, you know,
we talked about growling and people twitching. She was actually
trying not to remember it. But as I guided her
to go to the emotion and to face it, she
did and she started just sobbing, and she cried out,
my students, they're killing my students. And she was able
to escape and find safe refuge. And years later she
was able to meditate and deal with the anger and
pain and bitterness, and she realized that she was learning
and she was teaching the reality of life as in permanence,
but she hadn't truly grasped it. But she had that personal, felt,
painful experience and that enabled her to come to a
transcendent view where she was able to deeply forgive the
soldiers that killed her monastic students, and she went from
tears of sadness and pain to tears of joy as
we relived her past life death where she found out
that she'd continued. She got a new batch of students,
and they were so grateful that she didn't succumb to bitterness.
And as she past, she met the spirits of the
students that had been killed, and they said, congratulations, you
passed the test. You know, you learned your lesson. We're okay.
Our bodies were killed, our spirits weren't. And it reminds
me of a little the story of the the dial
A Lama was told one of his monks also escaped
from Tibet, and he said, weren't you He was kept
in a prison and tortured and nearly nearly killed every
day for twenty years, And he said, weren't you afraid
when you were being tortured?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 3: And he and you know, weren't you afraid that you'd
be killed? And he said, well, I was afraid, but
I was afraid that for one second I would lose
compassion for the people that were torturing me. And so
to me, that's like a beautiful thing to remember. Yeah, well.
Speaker 5: That is, it's and that's something to really think about.
I've had a couple of past life experiences, is what
I'll call them, because one I did. Some woman contacted
me a long time ago. She was writing a book
about doing a hypnotherapy and past life aggressions. She sent
me a tape to listen to and then if it worked,
I could tell her my stories. She would include it
in the book. And it was fascinating in that I
did have an experience after several failed attempts, and the
person that I found who I was unusual. I got
a time period eighteen sixties in Boston. I was a
young girl, like a teenager, and the name came to
me too. And after the session, I started thinking about it,
and you want to know something, I found her and
the family history. In fact, her mother was relatively famous
over here during her sister so was her sister, Yes,
which we found out Irene was was the sister. So
we've shared lifetimes in the past. I just wonder if
she was so incorrigible towards me you forgetting my name
back then. But I also had an experience where this
this wasn't a hypnosis, it wasn't a dream. It was
more of I was with the shamanism part. It's like meditation,
but they call it a shamanic journeying and you're trying
to project yourself and going into the upper, middle, and
lower worlds, and I went to the upper world in
this dream, I'm giving you the very short version, and
I actually found myself in the Acashic records, and I
went to this one section which had these scrolls and whatnot.
This little tiny shelf in this infinite space, this little
tiny shelf was me. And I knew I could pull
two scrolls, each scroll being a lifetime. And I pulled
the first one, and I was a Roman emperor, and
now there were dozens and dozens of Roman emperors, so
you know, I can't say if it was anybody famous
or not. I don't think it was. But then I
pulled the second one, and then I was a lady
in waiting during the Middle Ages for some queen or
princess or lor madam, whatever it is. And I mean,
no other details came. But I realized after that event
that I was in a period where I was trying
to learn about balance. And that's what that imagery of
those past lives gave me. In one I was a
man of power, the other I was a woman in servitude.
Two opposite extremes, not only the masculine and feminine, but
the you know, the power and servitude, all mixing and
balancing out to create the whole, and for me at
that time, that was a very important lesson to learn.
Speaker 3: Well, that's the question. How did it relate to what
you're going through in that moment in this life.
Speaker 5: Let's just say it's some things I'm not ready to
talk about yet. Yeah, I'm going too soon, but nah,
I'm not quite there yet. But it definitely had a
lot to do with balancing out some things in my
life and looking at those past lives and how they
were affecting this life. And it's all And I guess
that's the whole thing about with with reincarnation and past
lives and even future lives is all these experiences they're
still working for the whole, you know, your higher self,
your soul, whatever you want to call it, having all
of these different experiences and it's rounding out the total
experience of existence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, without going into detail, like what I
find is that people will have an element where like
maybe I'm like too humble and too meek, and on
the other hand, I'm too full of myself and too arrogant,
and that it can be like one life sort of
exemplified that the other one exemplified it. But then we
come and find out that I've know that those two
lives kind of have balanced themselves out, but they're both
affecting us now and we have to have that thing
of you know, who am I to write a book
and you know, give over my opinion versus I'll just
sort of stay wide and not do anything, and you know,
and so you have to balance that, and so you
want to be able to like, do you know, do
what you need to do, but do it humbly. And
so it's the kind of thing where you have the
arrogance to write a book, but the humility to know it.
You know, you're not saving the world or special because
you have you know, all that stuff. So that's the
kind of thing that I find that it can balance
out over the course of lives. But hopefully it has
that message that means that because a lot of people
I'll have a fear of speaking out and speaking the truth,
like being a healer or writing about it or you know,
even I told my students go on podcasts talk about
your work, and they're shy about it, and they've got
some sort of fear. And it may be and it
can be from the past where I spoke out and
I've got witches wounds. I spoke out about spirituality in
the past and I got burned at the stake for it.
But then I didn't do healing in the past and
somebody died and I really deeply regretted it. So I
really want to speak out and be a healer, but
I was really afraid to do it because in one
life I got punished for it. And you know, so
all of these things can happen. In the end, you
becut you sort of ye are able to bring that
balance from those two lines into this life, so you're
able to to to resolve those those contradictory or dualistic
apparent opposites and find some sort of middle way where
you get to have the best of both worlds in
this life thanks to the to the past lives that
we're influencing you. So does that make sense or having
too specific? But was it something like that for you or.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's looking at the totality and of life lessons.
I mean, even just in this life alone, I've had
so many experiences and went through some horrible things and
some stupid things, lots of stupid things. And I used
to negatively reflect on everything, like, oh, I can't believe
I did. I beat myself up a lot, and now
I can look back on things that go wow, the
lessons I was learning. And I have learned from every
one of those experiences, no matter how bad they were,
how they helped shape you in this lifetime to become.
And you know, I'm sixty one years old, so for me,
it's a lifetime of experiences that shape me who I
am today. I'm way different than the person I was
twenty years ago. And then when you add to that
the other life lessons learned from past lives, which is
all there and your subconscious and your higher self than
can be accessed. I just find the whole learning experience
to be incredible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that people say to me, you know, I
want to find out who I was in a past life,
and I think, well, most people don't really know who
they are in this life, so that when we go
into the past life, it helps us learn more about
who we are now as well as you know, from
the things that shaped us in the last twenty or
forty or sixty years and the things that shape us
in past lives. And then really understanding who we are now.
So that's part of past lives just allow you to
be more present in who you are and now in
the now, but also in really knowing who you are
and yeah, which we can take for granted and think
that we know who we are now, but sort of
examining that is part of the work.
Speaker 5: Irene, Do you have anything.
Speaker 1: To add You read about or you hear about, or
often about people like get regressed or they hypnotized in
some way, or rather how they're all famous always famous lives, Cleopatra, King, Edwards,
whoever is? Do you come across that?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: People?
Speaker 3: That's something I think people were saying like thirty forty
years ago a bit as kind of an old trope,
and I don't hear it that much these days. But
you know what I've had. I've been lucky enough to
work in well, you know, five seven star wellness resorts
in Thailand, so i can say I've worked with more
people who were famous in this life than people who
were actually famous in past lives.
Speaker 1: So I'm glad you I'm glad you said that. I'm
glad you said that because when they when they regret,
when that man regressed, me every life was nothing. I
was poor, I was married life.
Speaker 3: I've probably like properly famous people. I've probably been out
of thousands, has probably been half a dozen, but I've
probably done hypnosis with ten very famous people in this life. Yeah,
like you know, rod stars, Nobel Prize winners, you know,
royalty that like in this life. So I've hypnotized more
royals in this life than people found out. But that's
the funny thing as well. There was also there was
a guy who was he was a Russian czar, and
you think, well that's a bit far fetched, but he
was a Russian billionaire and an oligarch, so it kind
of makes sense. So if you're kind of like a
very ordinary person, you know, there is balancing things. But
it's more likely if you're very famous in this life,
the chances of you being famous in a past life
are higher. You know, you've got that kind of big
life kind of karma. Oftentimes it could easily be the opposite,
but that's one thing that I see, So I very
rarely see people that they're famous in a past life,
even if they even happen to be famous in this life.
So it's very rare. And there also and sometimes you
wouldn't even know. It's like I don't always ask a
lot about you know, are you famous? What's all this?
You know, obviously you could, you could bring it up
by context, but it's still rarely just about sort of
the emotional spiritual life. And that's one thing that I
see from famous. What a very famous rock star said
to me once, there are two types of people in
this world. And I was like, what famous, not famous?
The rich and the poor, and they said, people who
have success in their relationships and people who don't. And
so this person was regardless of all the the fame
and the rock stanners, it was just a pain of
difficulties with relationships. And that was how they defined, you
know what they were a person who just had difficulties
with relationships. And you know, whether you're famous or rich
kind of doesn't matter if you have those kind of issues,
you know, mm hmm, or or if anything, if anything,
it just makes it harder. And so it's like, you know,
we want to there's this idea that we like, we
want being famous or rich is great, but it just
sort of makes your emotional, spiritual, psychological life more challenging.
Speaker 1: So you know, so you're telling, you're telling, you're telling
me that Marca, what's Queen Elizabeth?
Speaker 5: You might have been?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I tell you, it's interesting that it's
it's interesting, I tell I'll tell you one thing that's
interesting now that you bring it up. I have had
multiple clients who have been married Magdalena.
Speaker 1: Well, and so that is the one, isn't it?
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, that is the trick though, And I think
there are some things that there's you know, there's fame,
which is, you know, you're a secular human that has
some sort of status, but a little bit so what
just in general, fame is one of those things where
if you're just a person sitting in a room, how
do you even know you're famous? You know? So fame
is a very ethereal thing. But then there are people
that can be sort of almost archetypes. And so I
and I know, I've have other clients or some of
my students have other clients who also have said, oh
I'm marry Magdalena. And so I think that there can
be sort of collective unconscious archetypes. So sometimes not everything
has to be literal in past life progressions. So sometimes
when people go to fame, or it can be part
of a collective, subconscious teaching powable that we get. And
I'm not exactly sure how the mechanisms of it work.
They can't observe that. There are times where that comes
up and I don't. And so, like Mark said, he
could literally point in eighteen sixty here was a girl
in Boston in this and so I definitely have exactly
the same story with a bunch of people. But then
when you have something like Mary Magdalena, I think it's
more like tuning into a collective sort of spiritual lesson
that people are getting out of it, whether that's literal
or not. And so I think there's a part where
I think a lot of past lies really are literal,
most of them are. But there is definitely a segment
of this work which is not necessarily literal. And it
may then not necessarily be something that is a criticism
of it or a problem, but it is something that
is teaching in one way or another, some sort of
spiritual lesson that people get out of it. But yeah,
I do treat some and it does get a little
tricky when you have that. You can treat it with
a grain of salt, or think in what way does
this actually help this person heal whatever it is that
they had in this life. And so if they find
that there are past life and you had a client
who also claims to being that person, but either way,
both of them had a lot of anxiety and after
that they no longer do well, then you know, the
ultimate purpose for the therapist is I don't really care
how it works or why it works, but that it works.
And I'm not gonna like stamp on them and say, look,
I'm afraid I've thought about it and I found out
I have another client who was also this person, so
it can't be true. So all this piece that you're feeling,
you know, please stop it and start feel anxious again. Awesome.
Speaker 5: Well, Mark, we are coming up on the end of
the show here. So your book Past Life Awakening, Seven
Aggression Case Studies illustrate seven spiritual laws. That book came
out in May and so it's relatively new out on
the market. Where can people find it?
Speaker 3: Amazon is always good. My website is Past Life Awakening
Institute dot com and I've got a book page there
and there are links to a bunch of retailers so
they can get hard copies or paperbacks at stores around
the world as well.
Speaker 5: Fantastic Well Mark, thank you so much for coming Onunder
the Show today. Everyone again, please get the book and
do you have anything else coming up? You're kind of
taking a vacation right now or traveling. How often do
you do your training?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on the Never Ending Journey, so my training
is remote. You know, for the last five years, I've
been online the whole time, so people go to my
and I've got YouTube, so I'm putting out YouTube videos
and the podcast and book reviews that kind of thing,
so people can go to the Past Life Awakening Institute,
YouTube channel and Instagram. I put some things up occasionally
Past Life Awakening and the training I do just around
the clock, so it's very flexible what I mentor people,
So it's off people that have had some healing experience
but they want to be a professional. So I had
some courses for people are interested to learn about it.
But then I mentor people through the first thirty sessions
they do with their first half a dozen clients, and
I do that one to one people watch videos, learn
how to do it, follow a process, and then I
mental and we discuss all of the live client cases
that they have and I do that year round. So
if people want that kind of advanced level mentoring, even
if they've got some healing background, or even if they've
done past life aggression training to really get to that
full professional level beyond the hobby istor an amateur, and
that's something I help people with. So that's all on
my website past Slife Awakening Institute.
Speaker 5: Fantastic Well Mark again, thank you so much for coming
on and good luck with the book and your future travels,
and we may have to have you back here again soon.
Speaker 3: Beautiful so much. Yeah, it's been great being I really appreciate.
Speaker 5: Thank you well, thank you, and thank you everyone for
listening to another edition of the Paranormal UK Radio Show,
the flagship show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network
and Irene work and everybody find.
Speaker 1: Us everywhere everywhere, paper everywhere, just far everywhere, everywhere.
Speaker 5: All right, Thank you everybody, have a good week ahead
and be good humans. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3: Bye bye