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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Big Blue and Sider Dick abro with

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<v Speaker 1>you on a Friday as we wrap up the week,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot to talk about tonight. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>football stuff, a lot of recruiting the portal. The second

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<v Speaker 1>hour of the show is going to be really football heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like Kentucky football, I know you're mad about

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<v Speaker 1>it right now, are concerned about it. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>like talking and hearing about Kentucky football, top of the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>Van Hiles will join us. We have him on all year.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Leech has him one, he makes the rounds and

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<v Speaker 1>Van a former Wildcat but lives in Louisiana but stays

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<v Speaker 1>plugged in with video. He studies that video, breaks it down, podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>you name it, He's on it, and we'll talk with him,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of do a seasonal wrap up with Van. We

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had a chance to chat with him for a

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<v Speaker 1>while because of all these basketball broadcasts, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hook up with him a little bit later. Also, John Halo,

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<v Speaker 1>the HEROLD Leader on this the day after the announcement

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<v Speaker 1>by Barrion Brown that he's leaving, and of course two

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<v Speaker 1>days after recruiting days. So John Halo, the HEROLD Leader

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<v Speaker 1>will join us as well. Obviously there's basketball to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about with Kentucky playing Gonzaga tomorrow night. You'll hear that

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<v Speaker 1>game right here on six point thirty WLAP ten pm

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<v Speaker 1>tip off in Seattle with Tom and Jack. Sean Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>the unforgettable guard, will join us. We were not able

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to him Wednesday because of the Coaches Show schedule,

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<v Speaker 1>but we move Sean to Friday and we'll find out

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<v Speaker 1>what he has to say about both the Clemson game

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<v Speaker 1>and the upcoming Gonzaga game. And remember, going into the

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<v Speaker 1>Duke game, Sewn predicted a win over the Blue Devil,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what he has to say about Gonzaga,

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<v Speaker 1>but we'll also have him break down the loss to Clemson.

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<v Speaker 1>And also, of course, this is Volleyball Night, by the

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<v Speaker 1>miracle of digital recordings. I am actually at Memorial Coliseum

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<v Speaker 1>right now and you can watch the game on ESPN Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up in a few minutes, we'll hear from Craig

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<v Speaker 1>Skinner and a couple of the Wildcats. Knocked off Cleveland State,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, they take on Minnesota. So it's the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC and the Big ten tonight at the Coliseum and

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be good. SEC got nine bids this year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the most ever, but keep in mind Texas and

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<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma joined the league, so that's really not a surprise,

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<v Speaker 1>but the fact that a lot of other schools got in.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been years where the SEC only got three

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<v Speaker 1>or four bids to the nca Volleyball Tournament. Somebody tweeted

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<v Speaker 1>at me earlier this week about the fact that the

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<v Speaker 1>SEC champion, which is Kentucky of course, for the eighth

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<v Speaker 1>year in a row at least outright or a share,

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<v Speaker 1>only got a three seed. But that's a reminder that

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<v Speaker 1>the SEC, as good as it is and so many things,

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<v Speaker 1>is not the best conference with all due respect in volleyball. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky is clearly one of the best teams in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>but top to bottom this league had been lopsided for

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<v Speaker 1>so long. Florida dominated twenty consecutive SEC championships for the

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<v Speaker 1>Florida Gators, coached by Mary Wives, who used to coach

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<v Speaker 1>at Kentucky. Her husband Mark used to be the basketball

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<v Speaker 1>coach at Lindsay Wilson. She goes to Florida and builds

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<v Speaker 1>an absolute monster down there. Well, Kentucky finally broke through

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<v Speaker 1>and won an SEC title, and while the Wildcats were

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<v Speaker 1>getting better, so was Tennessee and other schools have flirted

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<v Speaker 1>with being good. When Missouri joined the SEC several years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Missou went undefeated in volleyball that year. No got knocked

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<v Speaker 1>out in the first round of the tournament, if memory serves,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's been pretty much Florida until Kentucky jumped in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it's like a lot of sports chancellors, presidents

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<v Speaker 1>ads looked around and thought, you know, we stink at

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<v Speaker 1>this sport or that, why aren't we better? And so

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<v Speaker 1>they have made moves. There have been, you know, better

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<v Speaker 1>facilities now and more coaching. It's like anything. If you

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<v Speaker 1>throw money in the right areas, you make good hires,

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<v Speaker 1>recruit well, you're gonna get better. And the SEC was

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<v Speaker 1>really competitive this year. One of Kentucky's two conference losses,

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<v Speaker 1>one was Texas okay, the other one was Auburn, and

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<v Speaker 1>with all due respect, Arburn just wasn't very good this year.

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<v Speaker 1>But on that night jumped up and beat the Wildcats.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're sitting home right now saying, hey, that we

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<v Speaker 1>beat a team that won the SEC and is now

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<v Speaker 1>in the second round of the nca tournament. Our buddy

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<v Speaker 1>Hunter Shelton, who covers so well he does the best

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<v Speaker 1>job covering UK volleyball, has been on the show several times.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to hear him on Cameron Mills's show. He told

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<v Speaker 1>me last night at the tournament matches, he said, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the loose talk going around in the volleyball world

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<v Speaker 1>is that the upset on the horizon early in the

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<v Speaker 1>tournament was Kentucky losing to Minnesota. I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>people looked at them at the matchups or whatever, but

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<v Speaker 1>he said that was something that's been predicted prior to

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<v Speaker 1>the tournament. Now, there was an upset last night Loyola

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago. The Ramblers upset Brigham Young. So maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>was the vibe they were getting was about Loyola. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if Sister Jean was at that match or not.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyhow, we'll hear more from the volleyball Cats coming

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<v Speaker 1>up here in just a couple minutes. There is more

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<v Speaker 1>news and just you know, check the portal every hour.

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<v Speaker 1>But another now former Wildcat entering the portal. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>offensive lineman, but you might not even know his name

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<v Speaker 1>because he didn't play much. Ben Christman as a grad

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<v Speaker 1>transfer now. He started his career at Ohio State and

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<v Speaker 1>had a knee injury in the spring fall camp. Missed

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<v Speaker 1>his entire debut last year, a debut season with the Wildcats.

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<v Speaker 1>This year, he played, according to Aaron Gershaan of The

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<v Speaker 1>Cast Boss, twenty three snaps at right guard two against Vandy,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one against Murray State. So this is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who just couldn't get it done at Ohio State, suffered

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<v Speaker 1>from injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Here.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a four star guy coming out of high school,

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<v Speaker 1>but things have just not come together for him for

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<v Speaker 1>one reason or another. So now he's in the transfer

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<v Speaker 1>portal and we wish him the best. Never met the guy,

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember seeing him out on the field, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>an old lineman. He's an interior a lineman, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do remember hearing his name called by Tom and by Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>But somebody just today asked me what about all these transfers.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, you know, it's happening everywhere in every sport,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I'll go back to the day after Mississippi State.

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi State won the National Baseball Championship. Eleven kids entered

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<v Speaker 1>the portal the following day. But that's just where we

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<v Speaker 1>are now in college athletics, and obviously they were planning

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<v Speaker 1>it the whole time, but just forget about it. As

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<v Speaker 1>I said earlier, I'm gonna talk to Van House about

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<v Speaker 1>this evaluate recruit sign develop. That'll still happen, but it'll

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<v Speaker 1>only happen here and there, and it may almost be

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<v Speaker 1>like a happy accident. Here's a kid who's stuck around,

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<v Speaker 1>and look at him now in lieu of going to

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<v Speaker 1>the portal. You know, we're gonna talk to Sean Woods later,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked to him earlier this year about transfers.

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<v Speaker 1>If you followed Kentucky basketball long enough, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>back in the eighties, when the NCAA hit, Kentucky kids

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<v Speaker 1>were allowed to leave and play right away the next year,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of them did. Aron Ellis left, Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Mills left. Sean wanted to leave, and his mom said, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna stay right there and you're gonna stick it

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<v Speaker 1>out because you said you would. And he did and

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<v Speaker 1>it worked out. You know, didn't quite get to the

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<v Speaker 1>final four. Sean did his very best hit the shot

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<v Speaker 1>just ahead of that other shot and a kid from Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know he doesn't regret it. Now obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>that is and you know, to be honest with you,

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<v Speaker 1>you can hardly expect, especially a kill like Chrisman who

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<v Speaker 1>he's just had bad luck, you know, with the injuries.

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<v Speaker 1>But you've just got to find the place that suits you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure there are thousands of former college athletes saying, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish the portal had been around when I was playing,

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<v Speaker 1>because some kids just never got the chance or committed

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<v Speaker 1>and signed to the wrong place, stuff like that. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's crazy right now. It's people say that the nil situation.

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<v Speaker 1>They call that the wild West. I really believe you

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<v Speaker 1>could say the exact same thing about the portal right now. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as I mentioned, and as we record this, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the kid, the offensive lineman in the portal. But between

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<v Speaker 1>the time you hear this and the time I recorded,

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<v Speaker 1>you may have another three or four. Who knows. But

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<v Speaker 1>as Mark Stoops also said, he needed some kids to

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<v Speaker 1>enter the portal, kids he knew were not going to play,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had conversations already with a lot of kids.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just the way business is done these days,

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<v Speaker 1>the business of college athletics. While we're talking business, South

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<v Speaker 1>Carolina has a new athletics director Jeremiah the NADI and

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<v Speaker 1>of course in football, South Carolina Kentucky basically on the

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<v Speaker 1>same pier, and right now the game Cocks have moved

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of the Wildcats. For the longest time. Under Mark Stoops,

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<v Speaker 1>it was Kentucky moving up. But then he comes from

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Christian. He'd been there since July twenty seven, twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you take a good look, DCU has been

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<v Speaker 1>getting it done under this guy. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>give the ad credit for the big picture? People like

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<v Speaker 1>to blame the ad for the big picture. So got

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<v Speaker 1>to give him credit. Led their program to what they

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<v Speaker 1>called new heights, got them you know, the TCU gets

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<v Speaker 1>to the football playoffs, remem they got to the championship game,

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<v Speaker 1>got blown out. But on his watch they won twelve

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<v Speaker 1>Big or eleven Big Twelve Conference championship. First Texas team

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<v Speaker 1>to appear in the college football playoffs. Basketball men's basketball

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<v Speaker 1>program appeared in the last three NCAA tournaments. Baseball team

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<v Speaker 1>won back to back Big twelve titles and appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>the College World Series last year. So now he moves

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<v Speaker 1>from Fort Worth to Columbia, South Carolina, and I have

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<v Speaker 1>always thought South Carolina sleeping giant when it comes to athletics,

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<v Speaker 1>because you got Clemson in that state and that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're the kingpin, or should be in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of attention and money in that state. So keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye on South Carolina. If you aren't all ready before

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<v Speaker 1>we hit the break, you know this by now. But

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<v Speaker 1>the UK women lost their first game last night, falling

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<v Speaker 1>at North Carolina seventy two fifty three. Carolina jumped out early,

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky fought back. Carolina kept moving away. Kentucky kept fighting back,

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<v Speaker 1>but just didn't get enough inside. Did not hit three pointers.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a really good three point shooting team.

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<v Speaker 1>They're seven of twenty four. As a team, they hit

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight percent so far on the air. Clara Strack

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<v Speaker 1>did not have a great game. Fouled out. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't fall out. She only had three fouls, but

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<v Speaker 1>played only twenty five minutes, two for ten from the floor,

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<v Speaker 1>only got to the free throw line for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of shots, oh for two. And if she's not playing well,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there's not a whole lot Georgia Aymore can do.

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<v Speaker 1>She played all forty minutes, only got ten points, eight

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<v Speaker 1>assist tho in just one turnover, but oh for five

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<v Speaker 1>from beyond the arc. Now, Dajah Lawrence, she's really coming on.

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<v Speaker 1>Played thirty seven and a half minutes, led the Wildcats

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<v Speaker 1>with seventeen points, three of six from behind the arc.

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<v Speaker 1>Ameilia Hassid four of eight from beyond the arc. She

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<v Speaker 1>had thirteen points, but just too much North Carolina and

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<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats fall for the first time in women's basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>Own One other football note for you, the NFL Players

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<v Speaker 1>of the Month. I hate to rub this into my

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<v Speaker 1>the month. The AFC Player of the Month, Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back Kentucky Volleyball. Bottom of the hour,

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<v Speaker 1>You're on six thirty WLA. Welcome back to the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Blue Insider. Coming up in just a few minutes, Sean Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>the Unforgettable Guard. We'll talk about what happened down at

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<v Speaker 1>game you will hear right here late tomorrow night, ten

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky Volleyball. The Wildcats are in the second round now

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<v Speaker 1>of the NCAA tournament, looking to get back that final four.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, in the COVID year, they got to the

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<v Speaker 1>final four and for the first time ever and won

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<v Speaker 1>the national championship. Only one other SEC team we were

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<v Speaker 1>talking about strength of the league. Florida is the only

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<v Speaker 1>to the final four, because Texas is back to back

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<v Speaker 1>defending champs. But now Texas is in the SEC. But

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<v Speaker 1>it once and lost out in the semifinal rounds. So

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky is trying to get back for the second time

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<v Speaker 1>in five years. So after the match last night, we

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<v Speaker 1>heard from Brooklyn Delay and Aaron Lamb and Brooklyn talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the fact that the Wildcats got off to a

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<v Speaker 1>good start just how important that was.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think we just knew we had to jump

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<v Speaker 3>from the start. You can't really start a game off

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<v Speaker 3>coming in pretty soft. I mean, we knew they were

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<v Speaker 3>going to come out swinging, and that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 3>they did. But I think we did a really good

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<v Speaker 3>job of stopping that and just playing our game and

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<v Speaker 3>not letting the tournament really affect our own individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>Wildcats swept Cleveland State. Brooklyn Delay fifteen kills. She hit

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<v Speaker 1>three ninety one. Last year, they just had absolutely no

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<v Speaker 1>answers for her. She did get help on the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, Aaron Lamb had ten and she is a

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<v Speaker 1>Minnesota native looking forward playing tonight, but she also talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how great it is on one side of the

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<v Speaker 1>net to have Brooklyn Delay on the other side, tying

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no kidding, it's a great help. So I appreciate

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate your time. But yeah, Brooklyn's awesome. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>she's the hardest worker out her craft, and it's no

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<v Speaker 4>surprise that people have to pay so much attention to

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<v Speaker 4>her because she just puts so much time, energy, effort

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<v Speaker 4>into the game. So yeah, definitely helps, but she deserves it.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to correct myself. Brooklyn Delay actually hit a

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<v Speaker 1>lot better than three ninety one. That was the team

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<v Speaker 1>hit percentage, which is just insane. But Brooklyn Delay with

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<v Speaker 1>those fifteen kills two errors in twenty seven swings hit

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<v Speaker 1>it as batting average, especially for someone who's got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of swings. That's just incredible. But she got huge

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<v Speaker 1>help again from Aaron Lamb the ten kills she had

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<v Speaker 1>four forty four and Jordan Daily the youngsters seven kills,

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<v Speaker 1>zero errors, thirteen swings she had five thirty eight. Nothing

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<v Speaker 1>Cleveland State could do about that. Cleveland State hit just

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<v Speaker 1>one fourteen. So now less than a day's rest, they

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<v Speaker 1>got to turn around and play each other. Minnesota in

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky and Craig Skinner talked about that quick turnaround. We've

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<v Speaker 5>I'm preparing for the next day and you know today's

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<v Speaker 5>super important, but also preparing by what we do physically

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<v Speaker 5>in the gym and how we make sure we're you know,

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<v Speaker 5>gauging our effort and loads to.

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<v Speaker 1>Prepare us to play you know, back to back day.

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<v Speaker 5>It's you know, it's not easy for both Minnesota and US,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, certainly these guys have been looking forward

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<v Speaker 5>this moment for all season long.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, this is what they've been waiting for the NCAA Tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, adrenaline. We'll play a large part tonight

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<v Speaker 1>for both the Wildcats and the Gophers, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>watch it on ESPN plus. Sean Woods is next on

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<v Speaker 1>six thirty WLAP. Welcome back to the Big Blue Insider

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<v Speaker 1>joining us now, I say every week, but Sean Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>we have been preempted by so much Basketball League. They

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<v Speaker 1>haven't talked to you a little while. Are you enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>the season so far?

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<v Speaker 6>It's becoming interesting, man, it's becoming interesting. I'll tell you what.

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<v Speaker 6>There's a lot of parody.

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<v Speaker 1>What any particular game or situation make you say that?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I love this parody now, you know, and the

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<v Speaker 6>transferport has made it that way. You know, I mean

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<v Speaker 6>you've got unranked teams that are beating ranked teams. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>you know who Kentucky was on a row and when

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<v Speaker 6>the high teams in America they go into Clemson, who's

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<v Speaker 6>un ranked, and get beat. You know, Kansas gets beat.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, there's not a dominating team except for probably Alabama,

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<v Speaker 6>and you know once they get to the SEC, even

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<v Speaker 6>Auburn gets beat. So yeah, you know, it's it's gonna

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<v Speaker 6>be a very exciting season. I don't think there's one

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<v Speaker 6>dominated team. And you see Connecticut, you know, getting humbled

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<v Speaker 6>a little bit, getting a little you know, humble pie.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, any given night, you know, anybody can

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<v Speaker 6>get beat and that's the beauty of college basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>This year. Well, let's talk about that Clemson game because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a classic to me kind of throwback situation

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<v Speaker 1>to the Patino era, which and you were a part

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<v Speaker 1>of that simply because of course Mark Pope and then uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the excitement around this program. But going into Clemson,

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<v Speaker 1>that arena, that atmosphere, they had a couple of ex

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<v Speaker 1>extra hours to get jacked up for it. And you

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<v Speaker 1>guys face that even with your you know, the team

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<v Speaker 1>that win fourteen and fourteen, every night when Kentucky comes

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<v Speaker 1>to town, as you well know, you know, the circus

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<v Speaker 1>is here, and fans who might not show up for

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<v Speaker 1>a game all year long, that's their one chance to

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<v Speaker 1>turn out and scream at the big boys. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>think that reminded you a little bit of that, did

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<v Speaker 1>it not?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah? It does?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 6>By Clinton, they you know, you know, I know her

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<v Speaker 6>coach very well. He's a humble guy and a really

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<v Speaker 6>really good coach, and you know, I think he feels

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<v Speaker 6>kind of slighted a little bit as far as the

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<v Speaker 6>rankings are concerned, because you know, they go to the

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<v Speaker 6>final eight last year and they're not even ranked this year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, then you get number four Kentucky coming in,

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<v Speaker 6>which is probably the highest ranked team they played this

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<v Speaker 6>year until they get to the conference and it was

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<v Speaker 6>their one shot to prove to the world that they

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<v Speaker 6>belonged and they did that.

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<v Speaker 1>What did that game tell you about Kentucky? Uh, that.

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<v Speaker 6>They can't play without Butler. He's a major piece.

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<v Speaker 1>And at that point guard gotta have it.

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<v Speaker 6>And they got to get some positive minutes when they

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<v Speaker 6>play athletic, big athletic teams like that from Kerk they're

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<v Speaker 6>got to establish some death, especially at the guard SPOTY mean,

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<v Speaker 6>Ola didn't play great, Jackson didn't play great. And I

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<v Speaker 6>think Jackson's got to play great in these type of games.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, yeah, you know, he's supposed to be our

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<v Speaker 6>best player. I think he's got to, you know, really

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<v Speaker 6>get confidence in these games and ain't get going for

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<v Speaker 6>them to get over the hump in some of these games,

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<v Speaker 6>we need his shooting and we need that that's fifteen

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<v Speaker 6>to eighteen point night from him and especially in games

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<v Speaker 6>like this.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you stayed up late enough for

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<v Speaker 1>early in the morning to hear Mark Pope's postgame comments

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<v Speaker 1>with Tom Leach, but he made it sound as though

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<v Speaker 1>they kind of abandoned the principles of both offense and

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<v Speaker 1>defense that they need to play in this particular style

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<v Speaker 1>or system in order to be successful, you know, missing

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<v Speaker 1>some of the cuts they make and things like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you notice that, I assume you did during the game.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you noticed that. But you gotta get you gotta

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<v Speaker 6>get credit to Clemson. You know, Clinton switch and stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>They scattered them. I mean, first of all, you got

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<v Speaker 6>to understand the other team scouts us keep sure, okay,

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<v Speaker 6>and with Mark Pope, it's a system. And this is

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<v Speaker 6>just me talking now. You know, with the system, you

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<v Speaker 6>know what they're going to do. You know, you know

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<v Speaker 6>when the ball goes here and it's on the side,

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<v Speaker 6>these are the actions. And what Clemson did was Clemson

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<v Speaker 6>just cut them off. They switched, they bumped them, they

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<v Speaker 6>didn't give any they didn't lose their man, and they

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<v Speaker 6>get caught in a switch where both of them stayed

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<v Speaker 6>with the same guy and they got a back door lay,

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<v Speaker 6>which gets some Kentucky going a little bit. They were solid,

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<v Speaker 6>they were disciplined in their switches, they were physical with Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 6>and that was the tailtale for me. Yeah, they really

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<v Speaker 6>just beat Kentucky up on the board. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>when you clashing like that two major teams that are

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<v Speaker 6>talented and systems are nice, it comes to the untraditional points.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think that Clemson beat Kentucky on the untraditional points.

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<v Speaker 6>The offensive rebounds, the second chance points, the extra possessions,

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<v Speaker 6>didn't allow Kentucky's defense to speed them up to where

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<v Speaker 6>they can get out and run and transition. Clempson just

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<v Speaker 6>stuck to their guns and stuck to their game plan

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<v Speaker 6>and that was the outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the kid who got the twenty rebounds, I

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<v Speaker 1>honestly didn't know much about him. We do now. You

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<v Speaker 1>gotta wonder is he gonna have a season like that

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<v Speaker 1>or was that his one moment in the sun. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he certainly made it happen.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, he's always been a banger, but what he did

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<v Speaker 6>was and I'm sure the gallery port was we got

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<v Speaker 6>to out hustle them. We can't let them out hustle

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<v Speaker 6>us because Kentucky's been out hustling other teams, especially on

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<v Speaker 6>the offensive glass, and they've been getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>second chance points. They leaves to threes. Clemson then allowed

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<v Speaker 6>him to do that. They beat them at their own game.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, Kentucky's got to go back to the

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<v Speaker 6>drawing board a little bit, which they will. But you

415
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<v Speaker 6>gotta understand too, get give Clemtson credit. They're at home

416
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.599
<v Speaker 6>their hight. You know, this is these guys first shrew

417
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:38.279
<v Speaker 6>road games, going to against a Power five foe on

418
00:24:38.319 --> 00:24:40.599
<v Speaker 6>the road, you know, and to be honest with you,

419
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.279
<v Speaker 6>with all the trials and tribulations that they had, they

420
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:45.079
<v Speaker 6>still was in the game. They still have a chance

421
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.559
<v Speaker 6>to win. With Butler, you know, coming in and out

422
00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 6>all way, not having a great game, Jackson not having

423
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.920
<v Speaker 6>a great game. But you know they're right there. And

424
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<v Speaker 6>Mark Pope, remember he said that we may lose some games,

425
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.480
<v Speaker 6>but we're gonna be there. You know, you ain't blowing

426
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:01.920
<v Speaker 6>us out. You know, you're Dad or the ugly. You

427
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:05.400
<v Speaker 6>know our style of play, and these guys are being resilient.

428
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:07.480
<v Speaker 6>We're going to be in games. Are we gonna win

429
00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:10.400
<v Speaker 6>every game? Probably not, but you know we're there. And

430
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 6>that was a Tailtale took yesterday. You know, it was

431
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 6>just two good teams. One happened to be home. What

432
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:20.039
<v Speaker 6>happens to not one? You know your key player, you know,

433
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.640
<v Speaker 6>in Butler, he's in and out and for Kentucky to

434
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:27.440
<v Speaker 6>still stay there. You know, Clemson never really got out

435
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.880
<v Speaker 6>to a double digit league where Butler was out and

436
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.079
<v Speaker 6>things like that. That told me something, that showed me,

437
00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.240
<v Speaker 6>something that showed me characters of the teak And I

438
00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:38.720
<v Speaker 6>think I'm gonna predict again. I think we're gonna beat

439
00:25:38.759 --> 00:25:39.200
<v Speaker 6>the Zaga.

440
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:42.799
<v Speaker 1>I want to get to that in just a minute.

441
00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>But one more point about this game. I can't wait,

442
00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 1>because you were right about the do game. But Alway

443
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:51.799
<v Speaker 1>leads them in scoring. But I agree with you. He

444
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>was not what they needed him to be. I mean,

445
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:57.519
<v Speaker 1>because I think he might think you and I agree

446
00:25:57.559 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 1>on this. He might be their best overall player, you

447
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:03.519
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, and what he was.

448
00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:05.920
<v Speaker 6>They beat him at his own game, you know what

449
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 6>I mean. They didn't allow him to get second chance points,

450
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.799
<v Speaker 6>offensive rebounced, he didn't get steals, he didn't get to

451
00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 6>get out in transition where he's really really good, you know,

452
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:20.319
<v Speaker 6>and he couldn't take nobody off the bounce. They really

453
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.119
<v Speaker 6>guarded them off the bounce. You know, the only guy

454
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:24.960
<v Speaker 6>that could get to the rim on a regular basis

455
00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:29.240
<v Speaker 6>off ball screens was Butler. Yeah, So what my thing

456
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:33.480
<v Speaker 6>is right now, we got to find a way because

457
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:35.160
<v Speaker 6>you know, other teams are going to look at this

458
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 6>film and be like, hey, you know, switching and you know,

459
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:42.319
<v Speaker 6>bumping them off their cuts and making them, you know,

460
00:26:42.440 --> 00:26:45.720
<v Speaker 6>catch the ball higher than what they want to and

461
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.119
<v Speaker 6>pressuring them. They finally got pressured by the other team.

462
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.240
<v Speaker 6>You know, Clemson's guards was making those guys dribble all

463
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<v Speaker 6>the way out to have courts to start their offense.

464
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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

465
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<v Speaker 6>So other teams are going to you know, do that

466
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<v Speaker 6>to them. And now we've got to see how can

467
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<v Speaker 6>you spawn?

468
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, you talk about you talk about temple of the

469
00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:10.079
<v Speaker 1>game too. A team averaging ninety three points scored sixty six.

470
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 6>Hey, you know you could score ninety points against the

471
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.119
<v Speaker 6>butt nails and all that. You're not gonna be doing

472
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 6>that against that. You know, Let's teams that just want

473
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 6>to play that stallot play bad. Let's score a lot

474
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:25.359
<v Speaker 6>of points. But you know those days are scoring ninety

475
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.000
<v Speaker 6>points every night. It ain't gonna happened too much. You know,

476
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 6>it's just not it's not nothing against Kentucky. It's just

477
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 6>you should start playing against better teams. And you've played

478
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 6>against another Final eight team that's well coached as well disciplined,

479
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:41.359
<v Speaker 6>a's tough defensively, and one of the top five or

480
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:42.480
<v Speaker 6>six teams in the ACC.

481
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:45.400
<v Speaker 1>How surprised were you though? The car was not more

482
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>effective because he's played in physical games. He came from

483
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:49.960
<v Speaker 1>the ACC.

484
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 6>Like I said before, you know, you're not playing against

485
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 6>the same guy. You know, Duke was very young. You know,

486
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.400
<v Speaker 6>Duke's not good defensively. Look at them now, they're still

487
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 6>not good defensively, you know. You know the tail tales now,

488
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 6>you know, and everybody. What everybody's been talking about early was,

489
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:14.599
<v Speaker 6>you know, his system's good. The system's good, but we

490
00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:16.440
<v Speaker 6>got to come up with extra points. We got to

491
00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 6>overachieve because we don't have that one guy that can

492
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 6>put put you on you know, put the ball in

493
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 6>his hands and then he can go get buckets for you.

494
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:30.799
<v Speaker 6>And we got to start finding mismatches. Uh. And it

495
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 6>was just none. I mean in that game where you

496
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.119
<v Speaker 6>could just say, Okay, we're gonna go at this guy.

497
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:37.480
<v Speaker 6>He's the weakest link on their offense and we're gonna

498
00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:39.400
<v Speaker 6>i mean on that defense, and we're gonna go get

499
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:41.400
<v Speaker 6>to this guy because this is where we're getting bought,

500
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 6>you know, getting opportunity to score. Clinton didn't present that,

501
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.759
<v Speaker 6>so you know, the offense wasn't there Clinton. You mean,

502
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:52.279
<v Speaker 6>we just really got to tip our hats off to

503
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:56.200
<v Speaker 6>Clinton and the way they prepared. You know, they were

504
00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.759
<v Speaker 6>well coached and they were prepared for that system, and

505
00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 6>they took Kentucky out of everything that they wanted to

506
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 6>do for the most part. And then two, you know,

507
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:09.640
<v Speaker 6>it's sometimes the other team really puts so much pressure

508
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 6>on you from an offensive standpoint that it makes your

509
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 6>your very aggressive point guard who likes to get into people,

510
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 6>reach and bump a little bit. You know, he couldn't

511
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 6>do that against those guys. And then you know, for

512
00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:25.039
<v Speaker 6>the most part, you know, kept him on the bench

513
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 6>because of files.

514
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, any injury. Sean Woods has already predicted a win

515
00:29:30.079 --> 00:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>over agains Zaga. We'll come back and find out why

516
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 1>after the break. Here on six thirty Wlap Welcome back

517
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 1>to the Big Blueing Sider. Sean Woods is my guest,

518
00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>the unforgettable guard We talked to them each and every week,

519
00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 1>and his jersey hangs in the rafters are up. Sean

520
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:47.680
<v Speaker 1>predicted before the game, now predicted the win over Duke.

521
00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:51.119
<v Speaker 1>He has already said Kentucky would be Gonzaga. You talk

522
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:54.480
<v Speaker 1>about a road trip, my man, Seattle, and this is

523
00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a team that has only lost one game, lost to

524
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:02.599
<v Speaker 1>West Virginia and other owns went over then Ah Rank

525
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Baylor owns. There was one other in Indiana they beat

526
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 1>and they're coming off a huge win over Davidson minus

527
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.519
<v Speaker 1>Steph Kirky of course, but still looks like in Zaga

528
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>has got to going. Why do you say a Kentuck

529
00:30:16.279 --> 00:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you win, well.

530
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.759
<v Speaker 6>Only if Butler's healthy. If healthy, I think we can

531
00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.359
<v Speaker 6>win because I think Butler can handle new Bill a

532
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 6>little bit. Whatever the point guard's name is. I think

533
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 6>he can physically handle him and control him on the

534
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 6>defensive end, and I think will have a problem guarding

535
00:30:34.799 --> 00:30:38.319
<v Speaker 6>him coming downhill off of ball screens. What scares me

536
00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:42.160
<v Speaker 6>is not only new Bill the point guard, but Zaga

537
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:47.000
<v Speaker 6>is big and physical too, and they're very disciplined in

538
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:51.759
<v Speaker 6>their hollow actions and they're cutting series that it can't

539
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.359
<v Speaker 6>cause Kentucky problems. But I just think coming off a

540
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:59.480
<v Speaker 6>loss a good loss. What I mean by good loss

541
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 6>is now, it wasn't about effort. That lost Extension wasn't

542
00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 6>about effort. It was about uh umy breakdowns, breakdowns and

543
00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 6>and and not really executing. It's really more about execution.

544
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.839
<v Speaker 6>I think they will execute more and and be much

545
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.640
<v Speaker 6>better as far as execution is concerned. Against Gonzaga, I

546
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:28.839
<v Speaker 6>think you'll see a much better effort. I don't think

547
00:31:28.920 --> 00:31:33.200
<v Speaker 6>Gonzaga is tenacious defensively to where Jackson Robinson can get

548
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 6>off a little bit. But we need we need something

549
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 6>from the kid from Dayton. Now. I mean he's making shots,

550
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:42.119
<v Speaker 6>but defensively, I think Mark's just keeping him on the bench.

551
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 6>He just feels like he can't play him, you know,

552
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:47.640
<v Speaker 6>because he's such a you know, he's becoming a defensive liability.

553
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:49.880
<v Speaker 6>But we need those points, you know what I'm saying.

554
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:52.359
<v Speaker 6>When he's in there and he can get off, you know,

555
00:31:52.440 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 6>he's making If he gets four shots, he's gonna make

556
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 6>two or three of them.

557
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Glad you brought that up, because he he kind of

558
00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:01.599
<v Speaker 1>skirted that. Mark Pope did a little bit post game.

559
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.799
<v Speaker 1>Why Brad wasn't in at the end, and that's a

560
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.200
<v Speaker 1>great point. They needed points and then their best shooter

561
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 1>was on the bench. But if he's giving up points

562
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 1>at the other end, what are you gonna do?

563
00:32:11.880 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah, but my thing is too and he didn't

564
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 6>have a tenacious defensive guy anyway. So I mean, you know,

565
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:21.640
<v Speaker 6>sometimes you got a substitute offensive defenses. It's not like

566
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:25.160
<v Speaker 6>he's getting chilled, and you know they've created the team's

567
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.920
<v Speaker 6>creating separation whenever he's in the game. You know, I

568
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.799
<v Speaker 6>think he's that much of a threat from an offensive

569
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 6>standpoint that he could offset some of his defensive liabilities.

570
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.160
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying, Mono, mono. So you know

571
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 6>that's something that Pope's gonna have to, you know, address

572
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 6>a little bit and decide which, you know, what is

573
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 6>he gonna substitute. Is he gonna substitute defense a little

574
00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 6>bit so he can continue to get scoring and the

575
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.960
<v Speaker 6>scoring is not stagnant, or you know, keep him on

576
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:55.920
<v Speaker 6>the bench and just say, hey, if you're not gonna

577
00:32:55.920 --> 00:32:57.960
<v Speaker 6>play defense, I can't play it. I don't I don't know,

578
00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:59.559
<v Speaker 6>you know what I'm saying, I'm not lockering. I don't

579
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:03.200
<v Speaker 6>know how to going. But figure kid, he's too special

580
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.559
<v Speaker 6>offensively to you know, not be playing as much as

581
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:07.000
<v Speaker 6>he's playing.

582
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned Gonzaga's point guard Ryan themhard uh erging ten

583
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>points and nearly eleven assists per game. This is a

584
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>team Sewan that averages ninety points a game only gives

585
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 1>up sixty six. Again, who have they played? So I'm

586
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:24.720
<v Speaker 1>not sure. I mean, do you anticipate a track me?

587
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:27.279
<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be a track meet.

588
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:29.319
<v Speaker 6>I'm telling you that right now, because you know mak

589
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:31.680
<v Speaker 6>Mark Few loves to score and get up and down.

590
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.240
<v Speaker 6>That's his deal, and it's gonna be a really good task.

591
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 6>I just think, for some I got this feeling in

592
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 6>my gut from a character standpoint with this team, nobody's

593
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 6>you know, put the tail between their legs. I think

594
00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:48.759
<v Speaker 6>they're gonna come out and they gonna surprise the folks

595
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:50.000
<v Speaker 6>on the road and.

596
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:54.079
<v Speaker 1>Get this one interesting. Gonzaga has five kids who average

597
00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:56.319
<v Speaker 1>double figures and one who's at nine and a half

598
00:33:56.359 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 1>points a game, So this could be really really entered,

599
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:03.400
<v Speaker 1>but they only give up.

600
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.079
<v Speaker 6>How the basketball has become now, these two teams here,

601
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 6>they mimic each other as far as styles are comparing

602
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:10.920
<v Speaker 6>a little bit. They both want to score a lot

603
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 6>of points. They both want to put up a lot

604
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 6>of threes. But the difference between Gonzaga and I'm talking like,

605
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 6>I don't think that's going to win. But I'm just

606
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:21.400
<v Speaker 6>giving you that the attributes of what Gonzaga brings to

607
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.239
<v Speaker 6>the table. They don't just bring their bigs to the

608
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 6>high posts. They post their bigs, you know, Yeah, and

609
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:31.079
<v Speaker 6>that that's the only That's another thing that scares me

610
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 6>is can we sustain and stay out of foule trouble

611
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:37.639
<v Speaker 6>because Mark is going to go at them down low

612
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.239
<v Speaker 6>and we'll be able to sustain and play good defense

613
00:34:40.280 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 6>without violence.

614
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Before we let you go, you mentioned you Kon earlier

615
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 1>and Danny Hurley made some headlines when you Kon went

616
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.639
<v Speaker 1>to MAUI did not do well the team, and he

617
00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 1>really really went after officials to the point where it

618
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>became kind of a media thing for about seventy two hours.

619
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.599
<v Speaker 1>You're a fiery coach, but I've been.

620
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 6>In that situation before where the media was all on

621
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.440
<v Speaker 6>me for about a week. I know he's in seventy

622
00:35:09.440 --> 00:35:12.360
<v Speaker 6>two hours.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to talk specifically about officials. What what

624
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<v Speaker 1>is your philosophy in terms of as a head coach.

625
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>As a professional coach, and again assistant coaches aren't allowed

626
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.079
<v Speaker 1>referee hate that. But as the head coach, what is

627
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<v Speaker 1>your philosophy about working officials, working with the capitol w.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, sometimes you can tell before the game starts with

629
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<v Speaker 6>a handshake how the day is going to be. Okay,

630
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<v Speaker 6>I've never been one of the top tier teams, so

631
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<v Speaker 6>you know, when I did play a high major team,

632
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:45.639
<v Speaker 6>I already knew was what I was in for. So

633
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.400
<v Speaker 6>I was gonna give them a piece of my mind

634
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:51.320
<v Speaker 6>all game long. Because only when you're playing a big

635
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.639
<v Speaker 6>game like that, we're playing with their reps that conference

636
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:56.800
<v Speaker 6>who we're playing against, we're playing with against their reps.

637
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 6>So we're already eight points down in about four or

638
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.920
<v Speaker 6>five files, depending on who the key guy is, you

639
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.719
<v Speaker 6>know what I mean, starting off the first five minutes.

640
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 6>So I would stay on them to let them know, Hey,

641
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:13.239
<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean. You know, call this game

642
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:15.360
<v Speaker 6>just like you called the other when they when Misha

643
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.559
<v Speaker 6>Sheski was playing the other day and he was in

644
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 6>you cursing you out and things like that. You look it.

645
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:23.199
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying. Now, you want to come

646
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 6>down here, But I'm not mich Sheste. You're telling me

647
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 6>you're not gonna take it from me, But I'm I'm

648
00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:29.519
<v Speaker 6>fighting for my life and my kids life, just like

649
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:34.880
<v Speaker 6>Misha Shesti. So you know, everybody's human and everybody has feelings,

650
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.119
<v Speaker 6>and everybody's super competitive. And I'm just telling you right now,

651
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:41.559
<v Speaker 6>I'm not knocking Danny Hurley. I think did he go overboard?

652
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:43.000
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, you know what I'm saying. I watched

653
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 6>the game, but sometimes he feels like there's some type

654
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:48.599
<v Speaker 6>of respect that he should get his two term national champion.

655
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.239
<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying, give me more respect than

656
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.199
<v Speaker 6>what you're giving me, you know. And I thought those

657
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 6>those that one file over the back or whatever those

658
00:36:56.159 --> 00:37:00.360
<v Speaker 6>are back he complained about good situations. Now did he

659
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.519
<v Speaker 6>go overboard a little bit? Everybody know how feisty Danny

660
00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 6>Hurley is, so it's not like is that a surprise, no,

661
00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:10.880
<v Speaker 6>you know. And now he's a two time national champion,

662
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 6>so now he's in the limelight and everything that he

663
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.199
<v Speaker 6>does is going to be magnified. And too they're losing,

664
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:21.760
<v Speaker 6>so now everybody wants to see how he responds. And

665
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.360
<v Speaker 6>I think that's the biggest issue more than anything, because

666
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:28.119
<v Speaker 6>he was winning those games in Maui and doing the

667
00:37:28.119 --> 00:37:32.280
<v Speaker 6>same thing. Nobody be talking as much like Bob Knight.

668
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 6>Bob Knight, Well, Bob Knight was winning winning, there was

669
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.800
<v Speaker 6>no problem. You know. He's a feisty guy, he's a disciplinarian,

670
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:43.239
<v Speaker 6>he's this, he's that. And once he started losing, uh,

671
00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:48.639
<v Speaker 6>he's a he's a sore loser. And Bob Knight never changed.

672
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 6>And guess what, Danny Hurley's never changed. Go watch Danny.

673
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 6>Go get film of Danny Hurley's dad at Saint Anthony's

674
00:37:56.159 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 6>in high school. Same dude, and he's an All of Fame.

675
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:01.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right.

676
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.559
<v Speaker 6>So it's just how you perceive it, you know. I

677
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:07.480
<v Speaker 6>think Danny Harle is still one of the better coaches

678
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.440
<v Speaker 6>in the country. Everybody knows that. Yeah, he's super competitive.

679
00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:13.000
<v Speaker 6>I mean, shoot, coach the Teina used to get out

680
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.719
<v Speaker 6>like that. So it's just the times right now. I think,

681
00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.079
<v Speaker 6>you know, he's having a struggle with this team. They

682
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 6>will and sometimes, you know what I'm saying, You're trying

683
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:27.199
<v Speaker 6>to fight for your team. You're trying to show some

684
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.719
<v Speaker 6>you know, grit and fight and you know, but he's

685
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 6>showing a little frustration. But I think he saw that

686
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:34.920
<v Speaker 6>and kind of like dang I do I did like

687
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 6>sud right, let me chill out a little bit. So

688
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure it won't happen as much. He won't be

689
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 6>as animated, but he's still gonna be fighting.

690
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:44.639
<v Speaker 1>Sean Woods, the unforgettable Guard. We talked to him each

691
00:38:44.679 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 1>and every week. Coach, Thank you so much. Enjoy your weekend.

692
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 6>Go Cat. They're gonna get the They're gonna get the

693
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 6>Zags on Saturday night.

694
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember two with Van Hiles and John Hale. It's

695
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>gonna be all football coming up here on six thirty

696
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<v Speaker 1>w l P.

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<v Speaker 7>Man Man.

698
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<v Speaker 8>Bag Welcome back to the Big Moon.

699
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.079
<v Speaker 1>Sider joining us now is one of our all time

700
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 1>favorite guests, and he's everybody's favorite guests because you hear

701
00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Van Hiles all over the place. He is a co

702
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>host of The Locker four one one host of Driving

703
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.840
<v Speaker 1>with Styles. Here on Sunday Morning Sports Talk with Anthony White,

704
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Tom Lee, Chad them on every Monday morning is the

705
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Monday Morning Quarterback and we bugging me right now and

706
00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 1>then here on the Big Blue Insider, Van, I've got

707
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:10.079
<v Speaker 1>to think that in a way are you kind of

708
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:13.039
<v Speaker 1>glad this season is limped to an end for the Wildcats.

709
00:41:13.800 --> 00:41:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Geez, with all that you said, I think we found

710
00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:20.760
<v Speaker 2>the reason why we had a bad season, George Van,

711
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 2>I was on Tom Lee's Monday Morning without me.

712
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.000
<v Speaker 6>There, we don't lose all these games.

713
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was a hard season, not because of the results,

714
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:40.639
<v Speaker 2>but because of the expectations. And when you have expectations

715
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.599
<v Speaker 2>and in the season turns out the way it turns out,

716
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be a lot of disappointing people. A

717
00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people who want pitch, folks outside, a lot

718
00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:50.360
<v Speaker 2>of coaches halts.

719
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:54.320
<v Speaker 1>When I look at expectations that fall way short, I

720
00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>always the first thing I say is was I wrong?

721
00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.440
<v Speaker 1>How wrong was I to expect that? You know what

722
00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:04.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean? I mean, were we because going in I

723
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:06.440
<v Speaker 1>still didn't have full belief in the offensive line. And

724
00:42:06.480 --> 00:42:08.559
<v Speaker 1>that don't mean to keep banging on this position group.

725
00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:11.480
<v Speaker 1>But we talked before it all starts there. But I

726
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:16.360
<v Speaker 1>mean the defense. What confuses me, Van is the Georgia game,

727
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the Old Miss game that they showed what they're capable

728
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:21.400
<v Speaker 1>of doing and then it just fell apart.

729
00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a comedy of errors. Here's my thing is

730
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>people will blame the old line, and it's the easy

731
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 2>position to blame, just like the cornerbacks are the easy

732
00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>position to plane. The miss mark for me on this

733
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:45.280
<v Speaker 2>season was the quarterback. I wasn't because look, as there's

734
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>two people touch the ball every snap, it's a quarterback

735
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 2>in the center. Those are the only two people who

736
00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 2>touch the ball all the time on innyside of the ball.

737
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>And that result was not what I envisioned it to be,

738
00:42:57.760 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 2>because a quarterback can make an old line look better,

739
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.360
<v Speaker 2>and we did not do well at that position this year.

740
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>And as a guy who played on a team where

741
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.880
<v Speaker 2>the offense wasn't the strong the strong part of the team,

742
00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.159
<v Speaker 2>at a point of season, defenses start to do things

743
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 2>that's out of character because you know that the offense

744
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 2>is not going to be able to put enough points

745
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 2>on the board to keep you in games when you

746
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:24.519
<v Speaker 2>are going to falter.

747
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll tell you what though, And I was talking

748
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:30.079
<v Speaker 1>to somebody about this this week. I went back and

749
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 1>I was looking at video from early in the year

750
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.559
<v Speaker 1>and Brock Vandergriff looked like a different guy. And I

751
00:43:37.639 --> 00:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>agree with Jefficory. He played with a couple of quarterbacks

752
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.639
<v Speaker 1>who got happy feet because they were beaten up so

753
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:47.000
<v Speaker 1>badly because they couldn't protect him very well. And I

754
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 1>know that's maybe over simplification with Rock vandergriff, but he

755
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>just looked like a different guy down the stretch for sure.

756
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Look for sure. And here's I don't like to do this,

757
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>but years to think certain positions requires certain elements, and

758
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that position requires more than any other position on the field.

759
00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:13.639
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes you have to endure things that other players

760
00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:15.360
<v Speaker 2>on the on the team does not have to endure

761
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 2>because of When we win, it's because of the quarterback.

762
00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.599
<v Speaker 2>When we lose, it's because of somebody else. So sometimes

763
00:44:23.639 --> 00:44:27.320
<v Speaker 2>even though it's a tough position, that's the responsibility you

764
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:29.559
<v Speaker 2>have to You have to be able to eat that.

765
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.159
<v Speaker 2>And I would say this, some of those stuff, some

766
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>of the things early in the seasons were on the

767
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.679
<v Speaker 2>old line, but a lot of those things were on

768
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the quarterback.

769
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.239
<v Speaker 6>So it goes fit this.

770
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>He made some bad decisions and force some throws or

771
00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 1>actually took some shacks he probably should have.

772
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Taken them exactly. And that's and that's the thing is

773
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:55.719
<v Speaker 2>is we have to That's why football is the best

774
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 2>team sport out of any sport because it really requires

775
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:02.480
<v Speaker 2>everyone so so for him, the old line needs him

776
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.559
<v Speaker 2>to be able to help them and they need to

777
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 2>help him. And sometimes as a quarterback he does not

778
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.639
<v Speaker 2>hold the ball so long and throw the ball away.

779
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look at Colorado, he SEEDU standards

780
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:17.800
<v Speaker 2>has at least has forty plus sacts. So it's not

781
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 2>like every old line is a great old line and

782
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.800
<v Speaker 2>they won nine eight.

783
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

784
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Talking to Van Hiles, the former Kentucky defensive back

785
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.039
<v Speaker 1>V Styles Driving with Styles, he breaks down Kentucky football

786
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 1>on the interweb and is a frequent guest on the

787
00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:36.400
<v Speaker 1>election and media outlets. And of course we're talking about

788
00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:40.199
<v Speaker 1>this past season which ended with Cutter Bowley behind center. Now,

789
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Percoro and I have been debating over the last

790
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks. Do you go ahead and commit to

791
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 1>him even though you know he looked good at times,

792
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like he grabbed the program and threw

793
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:55.039
<v Speaker 1>it on his shoulders. But man, they've got to get

794
00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:58.239
<v Speaker 1>some continuity at quarterback. You know, the plan. I keep

795
00:45:58.280 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 1>going back to this. The plan was for Drew Barker

796
00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>to be the guy for three years, and when he

797
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>went down injured, now that the doors starts spinning with

798
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>duco's and transfers, and there was some success with Steven

799
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Johnson and Will Levis, but there wasn't success as well.

800
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.000
<v Speaker 1>So do you go ahead and bite the bullets as

801
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.559
<v Speaker 1>a staff and say this is our guy, We're gonna

802
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:21.159
<v Speaker 1>hang with him.

803
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you stated that, because I've said that many

804
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>times that one quarterback affected the evolution of the quarterback position.

805
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Here's the deal with Cutter. The next season. Let's just

806
00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.400
<v Speaker 2>say we won seven games, or let's say we won

807
00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:41.519
<v Speaker 2>six games. I think the transition to him and the

808
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.639
<v Speaker 2>expectation of him being a quarterback next year for potentially

809
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:48.119
<v Speaker 2>three seasons would be easier. But the fact that we

810
00:46:48.199 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 2>won four games, I don't think that the fans would

811
00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:58.840
<v Speaker 2>take on another potential five and seventh season learning to

812
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>live with him as a quarterback. I truly think if

813
00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:05.159
<v Speaker 2>you can find him, you have to find a quarterback

814
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 2>that Bush Hampden loves and fits his scheme to a t.

815
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Because people forget that Bush came late because Liam left

816
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>in February. So give him a chance to find his

817
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:19.679
<v Speaker 2>quarterback in a poort if it exists. If it doesn't exist,

818
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 2>then we just got to give it the Cutter.

819
00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 1>I gotta wonder what what is Bush Hampdon looking for

820
00:47:26.440 --> 00:47:29.199
<v Speaker 1>if not Cutter Bowley. You know that's a real interesting

821
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:29.920
<v Speaker 1>question to me.

822
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:35.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, I will say this after the four and eight season.

823
00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.760
<v Speaker 2>He needs someone that has had a lot of reps. Yeah,

824
00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:42.840
<v Speaker 2>and that it's only based on before an eight season.

825
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:46.440
<v Speaker 2>I is not thinking. I know Cutter has the ability

826
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 2>with time to be a solid quarterback like I really

827
00:47:50.679 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 2>he has some intangibles that I see on film that

828
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:58.280
<v Speaker 2>you can't coach. Now, the problem is, is he ready

829
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>to take the keys full time? I'm not sure. I

830
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.360
<v Speaker 2>will put him on a learner's permit first, let them

831
00:48:04.440 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>drive with a parent in the car first, before I

832
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 2>give him total control over the program. But it's not

833
00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.719
<v Speaker 2>like he's not closed. He's closed, But I think he

834
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 2>needs a little more time, a little more seasoning.

835
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, Van played, as I said, d back and

836
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.280
<v Speaker 1>it made it all the way to the NFL. So

837
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.639
<v Speaker 1>he knows how to scout quarterbacks, how to study qbs

838
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 1>on video. But he was also a quarterback himself. So

839
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:29.599
<v Speaker 1>when you talk about what you see in Cutter on

840
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:32.559
<v Speaker 1>video on film, as you guys like to say, what

841
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:33.280
<v Speaker 1>do you see.

842
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I see a guy I don't know Cutter, but I

843
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:42.199
<v Speaker 2>see from a visual that he's a confident kid who's

844
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:48.039
<v Speaker 2>a fluent athlete and being able to be fluid. It's weird.

845
00:48:48.199 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 2>He's wired in a way where he never rushes, and

846
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>that is a key component of a quarterback because I

847
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 2>think his instinctual clock is where it should be, where

848
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 2>I need to get out of there or I can

849
00:49:00.719 --> 00:49:04.679
<v Speaker 2>extend the play. He did some great things against Texas

850
00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:08.199
<v Speaker 2>with extend the plays. However, it was after seeing what

851
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Texas could do and he got into the floid game

852
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:14.280
<v Speaker 2>on the sideline. This last game, he didn't have that

853
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>that that that opportunity, and I think his clock sped

854
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.840
<v Speaker 2>up a little bit on him, and because of that,

855
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 2>he has some issues. But as a whole, I like

856
00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the way he throws the ball. He gets the ball

857
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>in his hand when he needs to, He uses every receiver,

858
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.920
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't lock on to his favorite receiver. Those are

859
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:38.079
<v Speaker 2>some things that you cannot coach his His his mechanisms

860
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:41.840
<v Speaker 2>are great, his operations are great. I think he has

861
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.679
<v Speaker 2>a chance to be special for us. But here's the deal.

862
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:47.800
<v Speaker 2>You cannot rush it because if you rush it, then

863
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 2>that confidence he has now will be stagnant. We need

864
00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:54.199
<v Speaker 2>him to get even more confident and more swag as

865
00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:55.719
<v Speaker 2>you prolong in this program.

866
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but how do you do that in a program that,

867
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:00.559
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the offense is going to be an

868
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.559
<v Speaker 1>almost total rebuild this coming year.

869
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's the thing is if they can't find

870
00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 2>the right guys. And that's the thing that I've been

871
00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.599
<v Speaker 2>saying in the past, I think coach Steps has said recently,

872
00:50:13.079 --> 00:50:18.440
<v Speaker 2>is finding guys to fit their programs, their system, their culture.

873
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 2>You've got to find that guy. It doesn't have to

874
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:25.679
<v Speaker 2>be cam Ward. It can be Diego Pupavilla. It can

875
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.079
<v Speaker 2>be someone who is just a solid presence in the

876
00:50:29.119 --> 00:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>locker room and a solid guy on the field. If

877
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 2>they cannot find that, then you roll with Toda Bowli.

878
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think if you roll with him, you have

879
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:42.719
<v Speaker 2>to simplify the offense to get him comfortable early. And

880
00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 2>then it's kind of this. This would be a perfect example.

881
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:49.119
<v Speaker 2>When lin Bowm became quarterback in twenty nineteen, the scheme

882
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:53.719
<v Speaker 2>was very simple. Each week, Edy Grand adds some things

883
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:56.840
<v Speaker 2>to complement what he ran the previous week. I think

884
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what we should be doing next year. If Cutter

885
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.559
<v Speaker 2>is the just the answer, you bring him along and

886
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:07.280
<v Speaker 2>you progress slowly run the things that he and his

887
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.800
<v Speaker 2>teammates know how to run, to the to the to

888
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the free estate and runs fast, and then you just

889
00:51:13.679 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>add on to it as the season goes.

890
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Vanheil's my guess when we come back, we'll talk about

891
00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:20.760
<v Speaker 1>the portal and some big names that stepped away from

892
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the Wildcats. That's next year and vanis Or Pallor lives

893
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>down in the Louisiana now but keeps a close eye

894
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:30.079
<v Speaker 1>on his beloved Wildcats and you see him break down

895
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:35.119
<v Speaker 1>video on social media. Uh, no surprise, Barrion Brown decides

896
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.199
<v Speaker 1>to move away from the program. I think a lot

897
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 1>of us thought by now, if he had progressed uh

898
00:51:40.119 --> 00:51:41.719
<v Speaker 1>in such a way, he might have been to the

899
00:51:41.800 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 1>NFL by now. But we know that didn't happen.

900
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

901
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 1>But also Dane Key, which was a real disappointment. But

902
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:50.280
<v Speaker 1>again we've talked about uh here on the show a

903
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 1>couple of nights now that you know, if he wants

904
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:55.519
<v Speaker 1>to make that next big step toward the NFL, he's

905
00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:58.719
<v Speaker 1>got to go to a more stable environment, a team

906
00:51:58.760 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 1>with the stable offense for him, but they went out

907
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.559
<v Speaker 1>and recruited for new white Outs got the kid from

908
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.639
<v Speaker 1>Boyle County, who's uh, you know, I'm not going to

909
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>say he's as good as one Dale Robinson been in

910
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that mold, but those are those are big losses regardless fan.

911
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:16.719
<v Speaker 1>But you hate to see and they didn't get out

912
00:52:16.760 --> 00:52:18.559
<v Speaker 1>of them what they had hoped this past season.

913
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the unfortunate nature of having so many systems

914
00:52:24.239 --> 00:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>in three to four years. I'm look, I am It's

915
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>be a weird thing to say. I am happy. I

916
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:36.119
<v Speaker 2>understand why Dy ain't left. I as a parent, I

917
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.880
<v Speaker 2>as a former player. I do not want to go

918
00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:44.079
<v Speaker 2>through another coaching change in my position room. I don't

919
00:52:44.119 --> 00:52:46.599
<v Speaker 2>think he has ever had back to back years of

920
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.840
<v Speaker 2>having a same wide receiver coach. You're correct, And and

921
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:52.800
<v Speaker 2>if I'm going to go through that in my last chance,

922
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:56.559
<v Speaker 2>why not go through that with somewhere else Because I've

923
00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.719
<v Speaker 2>done it. I've held strong with this program for three years,

924
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:02.760
<v Speaker 2>going through the turmoil of switching guys that are leading

925
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:06.000
<v Speaker 2>my room. If that's the case, let me go somewhere else,

926
00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.519
<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna be doing it again here anyway, So

927
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:11.840
<v Speaker 2>let me spread my wings and final place and final

928
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.800
<v Speaker 2>offense that suits my skill set, that can propel me

929
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.599
<v Speaker 2>to the next level. We have to we have to

930
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.440
<v Speaker 2>not look at it as a negative, so to speak.

931
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.119
<v Speaker 2>It's just life. And I think he's doing what's right

932
00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 2>for him in this future. I have no critique about it.

933
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.119
<v Speaker 2>I would love him come back, but I understand.

934
00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, And it's not like he didn't give everything

935
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>he had. And I thought dang Key took a step

936
00:53:37.760 --> 00:53:40.440
<v Speaker 1>forward this year. I thought, for lack of a better term,

937
00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.360
<v Speaker 1>he was more professional and the way he did have

938
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>that that that silly penalty in the in the Louisville game.

939
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.159
<v Speaker 1>But I thought just the way he ran his routes

940
00:53:50.199 --> 00:53:51.519
<v Speaker 1>and you know a hell of a lot more about

941
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.199
<v Speaker 1>that than I do. But that's the way he carried himself,

942
00:53:54.679 --> 00:53:57.559
<v Speaker 1>you know. And and uh and obviously the way he played.

943
00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I was really impressed with that. I thought opposing teams

944
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.000
<v Speaker 1>did everything they could to take away Barrion Brown this year,

945
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:03.480
<v Speaker 1>didn't they.

946
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that look when you learn this and lacks the

947
00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:12.760
<v Speaker 2>best abilities availability and one thing that Dan are presented

948
00:54:12.800 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>this year, he was always availabate and not only available,

949
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 2>he was a professional with the way he conducted himself

950
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 2>with his effort level and being and being still focusing

951
00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.519
<v Speaker 2>and integrated to the game. There are some people who

952
00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:28.159
<v Speaker 2>when things are I mean, just think about it. The

953
00:54:28.199 --> 00:54:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Loulo game, he didn't catch anyvolves, I don't think, and

954
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>he could have easily solved him and been you know

955
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.639
<v Speaker 2>how some players get He wasn't. He still had that

956
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>focus and effort in the game, the entire game. So

957
00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 2>that to me carries a lot of weight for GMS

958
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 2>and for the future, to whomever his future employee is

959
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:50.199
<v Speaker 2>gonna because now they almost got into employees. Wherever he

960
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:53.400
<v Speaker 2>goes to next I think they're going to take that

961
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:58.039
<v Speaker 2>as a positive and hopefully he takes the next step

962
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.360
<v Speaker 2>and improves enough to get himself in that first, second

963
00:55:01.400 --> 00:55:02.440
<v Speaker 2>or third round next year.

964
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Guy I know said he's hearing Dane Key is gonna

965
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 1>end up at Georgia though. Can you imagine I mean

966
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:11.239
<v Speaker 1>seeing him in the silver britches. But that would be

967
00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:13.440
<v Speaker 1>a huge step for him. I don't know if that happens,

968
00:55:13.920 --> 00:55:16.360
<v Speaker 1>but you know, again, the rich will get richer.

969
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you just have to look find a place where

970
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:26.400
<v Speaker 2>you can still get your targets but also be coached

971
00:55:26.440 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 2>by a guy whom you respect.

972
00:55:28.480 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

973
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Uh, It's not always about the name on the front

974
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.480
<v Speaker 2>of the jersey. It's also find a place that fits

975
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.559
<v Speaker 2>you and fits your skillst find that place more than

976
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.599
<v Speaker 2>where about the national championships in the name across the

977
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:44.519
<v Speaker 2>front of jersey, Because I think he has the skills that,

978
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 2>when used properly, can propel him to a higher draft status.

979
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:52.199
<v Speaker 1>Just a couple of minutes left with Van Heiles real quick.

980
00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Where you're concerned. I don't know if you're the rumors

981
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.360
<v Speaker 1>about Brad White to Florida State. They filled that job,

982
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:00.000
<v Speaker 1>but his name is gonna come up this time of year.

983
00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:01.760
<v Speaker 1>He's pretty good.

984
00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I'm hoping. Look, this is one thing

985
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 2>that I have noticed about Brad White from the outside

986
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:15.639
<v Speaker 2>looking in, is he is one coach that is comfortable

987
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:20.599
<v Speaker 2>in his skin. I don't think he has an enormous ego,

988
00:56:20.880 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 2>which it takes to be a head coach in college football.

989
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I think he understands what his skill sets are and

990
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he likes to be He likes to have

991
00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:34.639
<v Speaker 2>his hands on young men and lead young man. When

992
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 2>you're a head coach, you don't you don't have the

993
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>ability to touch a group of players. You got to

994
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:43.639
<v Speaker 2>be the overseer of everyone. When you're a defensive coordinator,

995
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:45.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit more. You get your hands on

996
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:49.400
<v Speaker 2>your twenty plus thirty plus players that now you can

997
00:56:49.440 --> 00:56:51.760
<v Speaker 2>mold and become great men. Because one thing about coaching

998
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:56.679
<v Speaker 2>that is losing in the current landscape of college football

999
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 2>is the ability to create, to create great young men.

1000
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:02.239
<v Speaker 2>And I think he has done a great job of that.

1001
00:57:02.400 --> 00:57:06.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think his ego and not comfortable but knowing

1002
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.360
<v Speaker 2>what his strength and skill sets are, I think he

1003
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.920
<v Speaker 2>likes to be able to lead a room.

1004
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great point. In this day and age,

1005
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:19.039
<v Speaker 1>guys like him are well compensated. I can relate just

1006
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:20.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit. When I was at UK, I wanted

1007
00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:23.239
<v Speaker 1>to be the editor of the newspaper. Lost out by

1008
00:57:23.239 --> 00:57:25.159
<v Speaker 1>one vote to a buddy of mine, so I was

1009
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:27.400
<v Speaker 1>the managing editor and to turn out, he had to

1010
00:57:27.440 --> 00:57:30.599
<v Speaker 1>go to meetings and make speeches. And I'm back hands

1011
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>on run of the paper, and I'm like, man, I'm

1012
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>so glad I didn't get that job. Now that you know,

1013
00:57:36.119 --> 00:57:38.119
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a multi million dollar job. All right, I got

1014
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.880
<v Speaker 1>two minutes left. Talk to me about cold weather food.

1015
00:57:41.039 --> 00:57:43.719
<v Speaker 1>You still. Of course, it ain't cold where you are.

1016
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.960
<v Speaker 1>But but tell people up here hearing this frigid weather,

1017
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:49.719
<v Speaker 1>who still want to grill? What's a good you know,

1018
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.559
<v Speaker 1>bad weather, tough coldness, kind of thing that can go

1019
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.199
<v Speaker 1>out and grill.

1020
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, when I was in Chicago, I grew.

1021
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:00.760
<v Speaker 1>You would think.

1022
00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:04.440
<v Speaker 2>So, So what you gotta do is is shove it

1023
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.199
<v Speaker 2>out your spot for your grill. And back then I

1024
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't have as much money. I was on a little

1025
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty one inch Weber kettle grill. You just gotta do

1026
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.480
<v Speaker 2>what you gotta do. Now it's gonna take you longer

1027
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:20.599
<v Speaker 2>obviously to cook because of the elements. But get that thing.

1028
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 2>Don't do it into garars now, don't do that now. Yeah, no, no, no,

1029
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 2>get yourself out, find a spot, and you just got

1030
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:29.239
<v Speaker 2>to man up. As simple as that.

1031
00:58:29.960 --> 00:58:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Is there anything in particular you think that lends itself

1032
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.360
<v Speaker 1>to this kind of weather we have up here when

1033
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.719
<v Speaker 1>it comes to grilling adders, it just the old reliable standards.

1034
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll tell you this, I will not do a

1035
00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.559
<v Speaker 2>brisket or pool park that takes too long. You know,

1036
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:48.320
<v Speaker 2>fourteen hours gets your steak. If you if you feel

1037
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.280
<v Speaker 2>like you want to do a rib. Do a rib that,

1038
00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:53.920
<v Speaker 2>but then just speed it up. Maybe you just wrap

1039
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:56.400
<v Speaker 2>it the entire time. It's not going to be the

1040
00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:59.400
<v Speaker 2>greatest rib, but wrap it for the product. Take you

1041
00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:01.480
<v Speaker 2>two and a half the three hours, and then after

1042
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 2>you wrap it, then you you unwrap it, put it

1043
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.320
<v Speaker 2>on the brawler in the oven for as long as

1044
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you need, and on how good you are. But got

1045
00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:14.119
<v Speaker 2>to watch it and then cook it that way that

1046
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:18.840
<v Speaker 2>you steak chicken and port for the things you can

1047
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 2>do outside when it's frigid, and if you man enough,

1048
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 2>you can do it. You do a rib. But you

1049
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 2>just ain't gonna stay out there for four hours.

1050
00:59:25.760 --> 00:59:30.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh no, you can't stand there poking it for four hours. Well, man,

1051
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.679
<v Speaker 1>always a pleasure, and I will not be I will

1052
00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:35.400
<v Speaker 1>not leave you alone because there's gonna be so much happening. Now,

1053
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.079
<v Speaker 1>what's your portal? And with college football, we'll talk to

1054
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 1>the playoffs as well. But I appreciate it. It was

1055
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Speaker 1>a tough season for all of us, but we thank

1056
00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:44.360
<v Speaker 1>you for helping us get through it.

1057
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I hope I did a good enough job to bring

1058
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:54.039
<v Speaker 2>people off the edge and at least at least let

1059
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:58.800
<v Speaker 2>us live another year. Look, there's nothing there's nothing positive

1060
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that comes out of negativity, true, and so don't be

1061
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 2>as Coach Curry's day a fellowship of the miserable. Find

1062
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:08.599
<v Speaker 2>a way to find a little positive light out of

1063
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 2>this and this the piddle light could be cut a

1064
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:13.920
<v Speaker 2>bowl in and Ja Marion Wilcox, find something that you

1065
01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:16.000
<v Speaker 2>can hold on to for the next few months.

1066
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:17.440
<v Speaker 6>Thanks Van anytime.

1067
01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:19.559
<v Speaker 1>John Hale's next there with us, Welcome back to the

1068
01:00:19.559 --> 01:00:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Big Blue Sider. Joining us now is John Hale, who

1069
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:26.960
<v Speaker 1>covers football Kentucky football for The Herald Leader and has

1070
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 1>covered the program for quite some time.

1071
01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

1072
01:00:29.719 --> 01:00:33.440
<v Speaker 1>John, this was a season like no other, uh in

1073
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.079
<v Speaker 1>terms of you know, the last gosh decade or so

1074
01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:40.159
<v Speaker 1>under Mark Stoops, but thanks to the portal and nil

1075
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 1>you could probably say that of it every year. It's

1076
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.320
<v Speaker 1>just it's just a whirlwind, isn't it. It's it's kind

1077
01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 1>of a circus like atmosphere with the portal and the

1078
01:00:48.320 --> 01:00:51.400
<v Speaker 1>transfers and the coming and going and then signing day,

1079
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.239
<v Speaker 1>it all comes together once, doesn't it.

1080
01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:56.639
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, It's it's interesting, I mean because obviously there had

1081
01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:59.880
<v Speaker 9>been some some red flags for the last two seasons,

1082
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 9>you know, losing the Vanderbilt South Carolina in those games,

1083
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:05.760
<v Speaker 9>but they had still salvage to get to a bowl,

1084
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.000
<v Speaker 9>had played pretty well in the last Bowl against Clemson,

1085
01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:10.679
<v Speaker 9>even though they blew the lee at the end and lost,

1086
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:12.880
<v Speaker 9>and the one before that, you know, they were so

1087
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:14.880
<v Speaker 9>decimated that the Music City Bowl against Iowa was so

1088
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:18.239
<v Speaker 9>you can put much into that, but it had not

1089
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:20.840
<v Speaker 9>fallen apart like we did this year. And it just

1090
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:24.039
<v Speaker 9>seems like so long ago that we were leaving Oxford,

1091
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:27.280
<v Speaker 9>Mississippi and they had just pulled off this massive upset,

1092
01:01:27.320 --> 01:01:30.119
<v Speaker 9>and the week before they had almost beaten Georgia, and

1093
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.239
<v Speaker 9>it was starting to look like maybe South Carolina was

1094
01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.719
<v Speaker 9>better than people thought. So you just looked at their

1095
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:37.880
<v Speaker 9>schedule and said, oh, you know, Auburn and Vanderbilt in

1096
01:01:37.960 --> 01:01:40.239
<v Speaker 9>Florida coming up. If they could run the table there,

1097
01:01:40.239 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 9>they might be in the playoff conversation. When they played

1098
01:01:42.280 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 9>that Tennessee game and obviously didn't win any of those games.

1099
01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:47.400
<v Speaker 9>I just went completely off the rails after the bye

1100
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 9>week from there, and now we're sitting in a spot

1101
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.800
<v Speaker 9>where last year I said that was the most important

1102
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:54.639
<v Speaker 9>offseason the park Stutsktegi tenure. And if that was true,

1103
01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:57.000
<v Speaker 9>I don't I don't even know how to explain how

1104
01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.559
<v Speaker 9>important the next few months are for him, because obviously

1105
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:02.719
<v Speaker 9>the the fan base, a large portion of it at least,

1106
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:06.159
<v Speaker 9>is not happy and at once change. And they've already

1107
01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:09.639
<v Speaker 9>lost three starters to the portal and they're probably going

1108
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:12.480
<v Speaker 9>to lose more. And you're going to lose I think

1109
01:02:12.880 --> 01:02:15.559
<v Speaker 9>it's eleven players to graduation who were on the two deep,

1110
01:02:15.679 --> 01:02:18.400
<v Speaker 9>nine of them starters, probably a couple more going to

1111
01:02:18.480 --> 01:02:20.719
<v Speaker 9>the draft. It's going to look like a completely different

1112
01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 9>team next year. And maybe that's a good thing because

1113
01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 9>of how they struggled this season, but it's just something

1114
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:27.159
<v Speaker 9>we don't really know how to how to even predict

1115
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:29.000
<v Speaker 9>because of this new era of college football.

1116
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:31.840
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned those two games, and I keep bringing them up.

1117
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:35.480
<v Speaker 1>This is why this season is so puzzling. So from

1118
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.280
<v Speaker 1>where you sit, John, what the heck happened?

1119
01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:42.719
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I think there's an easy narrative to say

1120
01:02:42.760 --> 01:02:45.320
<v Speaker 9>that after the Old Mess game, the timing of that

1121
01:02:45.400 --> 01:02:47.320
<v Speaker 9>bye week, when we talked about the time, whether it

1122
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.960
<v Speaker 9>was good or bad for them to take a week off,

1123
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.159
<v Speaker 9>and they were in a pretty unfortunate injury situation at

1124
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:54.960
<v Speaker 9>that point, so you thought, well, it's good for them

1125
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:56.760
<v Speaker 9>to be able to rest up and get some guys healthy,

1126
01:02:57.360 --> 01:02:59.840
<v Speaker 9>but it also feels like that came at a bad time,

1127
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 9>or maybe they just read their presclipions for an entire week.

1128
01:03:02.480 --> 01:03:04.840
<v Speaker 9>And this was a team that played to its level

1129
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:07.199
<v Speaker 9>of competition, that they played their best against the best

1130
01:03:07.199 --> 01:03:09.800
<v Speaker 9>teams on the schedule, and then against teams like Auburn

1131
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:12.800
<v Speaker 9>and Vanderbilt, they did not play very well at all. Yea,

1132
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:16.639
<v Speaker 9>so we saw that happen in that stretch. Obviously, I

1133
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.960
<v Speaker 9>think that the injuries on defense played a huge part

1134
01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:20.800
<v Speaker 9>of it, because the defense was at least keeping them

1135
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:22.599
<v Speaker 9>in the games for as bad as the offense was,

1136
01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.280
<v Speaker 9>and then when he started losing four or five six

1137
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:28.840
<v Speaker 9>key players who were counting on every week, then they

1138
01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:31.599
<v Speaker 9>just couldn't. The margin of error grew too thin, and

1139
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:33.599
<v Speaker 9>you know, the offense only didn't score more than twenty

1140
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.800
<v Speaker 9>points in an SEC game all seedon. Even they're playing

1141
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:37.280
<v Speaker 9>well at the end of the year, they weren't scoring

1142
01:03:37.320 --> 01:03:40.519
<v Speaker 9>a lot of points against quality competition, and so I

1143
01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:42.400
<v Speaker 9>think that that just caught up for them. You know,

1144
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.480
<v Speaker 9>there's a lot of their portal class last season didn't

1145
01:03:46.480 --> 01:03:48.199
<v Speaker 9>pan out. That's probably part of it. And that if

1146
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.719
<v Speaker 9>you pause now that you're saying, hey, we're going to

1147
01:03:51.760 --> 01:03:54.079
<v Speaker 9>fix it through the portal, maybe you got to evaluate better.

1148
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:55.440
<v Speaker 9>You got to hit on the higher rate than you

1149
01:03:55.480 --> 01:03:57.800
<v Speaker 9>did a year ago. The injuries are a huge part

1150
01:03:57.800 --> 01:04:00.599
<v Speaker 9>of that. And then Mark Stews is acknowledg just like

1151
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 9>talked about, is a lot down the stretch other players

1152
01:04:03.000 --> 01:04:05.559
<v Speaker 9>have to This just has not been the same locker

1153
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:08.639
<v Speaker 9>room culture since the portal and nil pain and they've

1154
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:10.239
<v Speaker 9>got to figure out a way to win in this air.

1155
01:04:10.599 --> 01:04:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a lot to unpack. So let me start

1156
01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:17.679
<v Speaker 1>with the line play. Because when you think about Georgia

1157
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:22.920
<v Speaker 1>and you think about how Kentucky really handled you know, offense, end, defense,

1158
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.960
<v Speaker 1>time of possession, tempo of the game, everything it needed

1159
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:30.400
<v Speaker 1>to do, except when that game similar with Old Miss,

1160
01:04:30.400 --> 01:04:32.719
<v Speaker 1>which you know, for lack of a better term, I

1161
01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:35.280
<v Speaker 1>think is more of a finesse team. But Kentucky set

1162
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the tone there as well. But John, I think that's

1163
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.360
<v Speaker 1>what surprised me the most was Florida and arburn in particular,

1164
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:44.519
<v Speaker 1>but to a degree Vandy as well. I mean, their

1165
01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:49.880
<v Speaker 1>offensive line push was impressive. I can't remember a Kentucky

1166
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:53.280
<v Speaker 1>line on either side of the ball being pushed around

1167
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.480
<v Speaker 1>so consistently as it was this season, you know what

1168
01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean.

1169
01:04:57.639 --> 01:05:00.840
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and it's disappointing for sure. I mean I think

1170
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:03.519
<v Speaker 9>on offense, we didn't think they were going to be

1171
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:05.440
<v Speaker 9>great on the offensive line come into it, but they

1172
01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.440
<v Speaker 9>improved from twenty two to twenty three last year. Yeah,

1173
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 9>and then he makes the coaching change. He fires Zachinzer

1174
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 9>to bring back Eric Wolford when he becomes available. We

1175
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.800
<v Speaker 9>know Wolford has this reputation, is a great of in

1176
01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:18.119
<v Speaker 9>the line coach. Obviously, they were very good his previous

1177
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 9>season here with three NFL players on that offensive line.

1178
01:05:22.000 --> 01:05:24.920
<v Speaker 9>I went to Alabama, he's a great recruiter, and he thought, Okay,

1179
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:26.800
<v Speaker 9>well this is going to be what takes them the

1180
01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:29.599
<v Speaker 9>next step forward. And then they just got way worse.

1181
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.920
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I think part of that. It definitely felt

1182
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:34.039
<v Speaker 9>like Marcus Cox, a guy a left tackle who was

1183
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.360
<v Speaker 9>good for the year ago, maybe his body just gave out.

1184
01:05:36.519 --> 01:05:38.519
<v Speaker 9>I mean, he's in the seventh year of college football

1185
01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.480
<v Speaker 9>who played had a bunch of injuries. I think that

1186
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:45.559
<v Speaker 9>probably had some problems with his ineffectiveness. But then you know,

1187
01:05:45.559 --> 01:05:48.159
<v Speaker 9>they added Gerald Mincy as the transfer right tackle didn't work.

1188
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:51.119
<v Speaker 9>When Mincy got hurt, they had to play Malachi Wood

1189
01:05:51.480 --> 01:05:53.920
<v Speaker 9>before he's ready clearly, so that didn't work. And so

1190
01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.159
<v Speaker 9>they just could not protect the quarterback all year. And

1191
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:01.519
<v Speaker 9>then that clearly affected Rock Vandergrift, like when even when

1192
01:06:01.559 --> 01:06:03.679
<v Speaker 9>he had time, he was thinking about it all the

1193
01:06:03.719 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 9>time and he was not making the right reads. He

1194
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.400
<v Speaker 9>was you know, it was it was in his head,

1195
01:06:07.480 --> 01:06:10.920
<v Speaker 9>and I think that affected his effectiveness down the street.

1196
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:13.320
<v Speaker 9>And then maybe it was even more disappointed in my defense,

1197
01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.760
<v Speaker 9>because they didn't really have the injuries there. They didn't

1198
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:18.400
<v Speaker 9>have the issue. The question is going to do it.

1199
01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:20.760
<v Speaker 9>That was one of their deepest and most talented positions.

1200
01:06:21.079 --> 01:06:24.519
<v Speaker 9>You got a projected first round pick Indian locker On there,

1201
01:06:24.519 --> 01:06:26.320
<v Speaker 9>a guy like ron Rick who had a great season,

1202
01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:29.360
<v Speaker 9>Arcavius Oxidi. The list goes on and on, and still

1203
01:06:29.360 --> 01:06:31.039
<v Speaker 9>in some of those games they got pushed around and

1204
01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:33.119
<v Speaker 9>he just ran the ball and then in a way

1205
01:06:33.119 --> 01:06:35.039
<v Speaker 9>that we have not seen a long time. And that's

1206
01:06:35.079 --> 01:06:36.840
<v Speaker 9>a that's a huge concern. That's something they got to

1207
01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:37.800
<v Speaker 9>get fixed this off season.

1208
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.480
<v Speaker 1>I was looking video from early in the season and

1209
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.559
<v Speaker 1>Brock Vandergrevt looked like a different quarterback. He really did.

1210
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I think they don't want to talk at It's almost

1211
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:48.360
<v Speaker 1>like the yips, you know, happy feet. He drops back

1212
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:51.159
<v Speaker 1>in the first thing. He's thinking his escape route, you know,

1213
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:53.039
<v Speaker 1>towards the end of the year. So it's hard to

1214
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:56.840
<v Speaker 1>judge him his entire body of work. But you go

1215
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.199
<v Speaker 1>back and look at some of the video from some

1216
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:01.519
<v Speaker 1>of the earlier games, even a couple of games they lost,

1217
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 1>and he looked like he was becoming a guy they

1218
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:07.000
<v Speaker 1>needed him to be. But you can only get ground

1219
01:07:07.000 --> 01:07:08.719
<v Speaker 1>into the turf so many times, you know.

1220
01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:12.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it definitely affected him. I mean that even the

1221
01:07:12.119 --> 01:07:15.360
<v Speaker 9>fourth down play at Ole Miss the sixty three yard

1222
01:07:15.440 --> 01:07:17.920
<v Speaker 9>or the bary on Brown that essentially won them the game.

1223
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:19.719
<v Speaker 9>I mean, that was the kind of play we had

1224
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:22.320
<v Speaker 9>just not seen Kentucky quarterbacks make very often. That was

1225
01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:24.480
<v Speaker 9>a spot where they everybody knew they had to throw

1226
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:26.440
<v Speaker 9>it because I think it was like fourth and seven. Yeah,

1227
01:07:26.480 --> 01:07:28.440
<v Speaker 9>and so they and they got the protection long enough

1228
01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:31.159
<v Speaker 9>to get that off and it worked perfectly. Okay, they've

1229
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.000
<v Speaker 9>really got something to brock Vander. He's gonna it's gonna

1230
01:07:34.039 --> 01:07:36.159
<v Speaker 9>work on it. I think it was like seven weeks

1231
01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:38.440
<v Speaker 9>seven or eight. I was still riding like we don't

1232
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:40.599
<v Speaker 9>know how good brock Man Earth is. Like obviously the

1233
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.159
<v Speaker 9>offense is not good, but like you just can't really

1234
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:45.519
<v Speaker 9>judge him. But he was still showing enough glimpses where

1235
01:07:45.519 --> 01:07:47.400
<v Speaker 9>you thought he could turn this on down the stretch

1236
01:07:47.440 --> 01:07:50.199
<v Speaker 9>and certainly going into next year be a really good starter.

1237
01:07:50.280 --> 01:07:52.920
<v Speaker 9>And now it appears like, I mean, I can't imagine

1238
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:54.559
<v Speaker 9>he's gonna be by Kentucky. I'm really sure he's gonna

1239
01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:57.079
<v Speaker 9>keep paying football, Yeah, and so like that's that's just

1240
01:07:57.199 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 9>it's really unfortunate how the season went for him. And

1241
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.480
<v Speaker 9>part of that's probleamental to You're looking at a guy

1242
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:05.000
<v Speaker 9>who said was a five star recruit at high school,

1243
01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:07.480
<v Speaker 9>went to play for his home pound team, sat there

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01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 9>for three years, won two national champions as a backup,

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01:08:09.840 --> 01:08:11.559
<v Speaker 9>and then he said, Okay, I gotta go play. And

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01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:13.719
<v Speaker 9>then maybe when you get into a different situation in

1247
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:16.800
<v Speaker 9>the program, you don't have any allegiance to before six

1248
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:19.039
<v Speaker 9>months ago, and you're playing behind a terble on hens line,

1249
01:08:19.079 --> 01:08:21.000
<v Speaker 9>you're getting beat up, you're taking hits, you're getting the

1250
01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:24.399
<v Speaker 9>concussion at Tennessee, Like it's just not the same. You're

1251
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:27.800
<v Speaker 9>probably not an NFL quarterback now like it's hard to

1252
01:08:27.880 --> 01:08:30.199
<v Speaker 9>keep that same fire under you, and it'll be really

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<v Speaker 9>interesting to see what his expote is.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the guy who caught that ball in Oxford is

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01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.880
<v Speaker 1>leaving as well. We'll talk about Barryon Brown and more

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the break with John Hale

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<v Speaker 1>of The Hero Leader. Here on six point thirty WLAP

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back, We're talking with John Hale. Beat Ryder covers

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky football for The Hero Leader And before the break

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned Barrion Brown and I guess you know, Mark

1261
01:08:50.640 --> 01:08:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Stuke's kind of alluded to Dane Keyes' departure at his

1262
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.920
<v Speaker 1>news conference. He don't panic, you know, there are going

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01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.520
<v Speaker 1>to be some surprises. With all due respect to Barrion

1264
01:09:01.840 --> 01:09:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I think from the day he got here, we wondered

1265
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:06.119
<v Speaker 1>would he get to a senior year, but a lot

1266
01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden maybe he go to the NFL. At

1267
01:09:07.920 --> 01:09:11.520
<v Speaker 1>this point, he's clearly not ready for that. But John

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01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:14.239
<v Speaker 1>would I was a little surprised by Dane Key. I

1269
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:16.560
<v Speaker 1>would have been surprised if Barrion Brown had remained, you

1270
01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:17.079
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, this just feels like I mean, obviously he's a

1272
01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:21.720
<v Speaker 9>huge name, he's going to get a bunch of transfer

1273
01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:24.680
<v Speaker 9>foil interesting big pro because of all of those physical

1274
01:09:24.840 --> 01:09:27.119
<v Speaker 9>skills that got Kentucky fan so excited for so long.

1275
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.239
<v Speaker 9>But this felt like it was just time for both

1276
01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:31.920
<v Speaker 9>parties to move on. I mean, not only had he

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01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.119
<v Speaker 9>not really produced the last two years, but I mean

1278
01:09:34.239 --> 01:09:37.600
<v Speaker 9>at moments it felt like it was actively hurting the offense,

1279
01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.560
<v Speaker 9>that they kept trying to force him the ball and

1280
01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 9>make him that guy when he just wasn't hit. And

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01:09:42.039 --> 01:09:44.600
<v Speaker 9>so now it's like, you know, he has all the talent.

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<v Speaker 6>In the world.

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01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:46.520
<v Speaker 9>He's one of the most physically gifted players, is one

1284
01:09:46.520 --> 01:09:49.199
<v Speaker 9>of the fastest players in the country. But if three

1285
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:51.880
<v Speaker 9>years in, if your production is going down every year,

1286
01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:53.680
<v Speaker 9>you probably just need to try something new, and hopefully,

1287
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:56.720
<v Speaker 9>for Barryon's sake, a new voice, a new program might

1288
01:09:56.760 --> 01:09:58.640
<v Speaker 9>be what spurs him to take that next step and

1289
01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:01.119
<v Speaker 9>he goes somewhere else really performs. But I don't think

1290
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:02.960
<v Speaker 9>it was going to happen at Kentucky next year, even

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01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:05.319
<v Speaker 9>if he came back, so that one, You're right, I

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01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:08.159
<v Speaker 9>would have been surprised if he was back Dane. You know,

1293
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.000
<v Speaker 9>early in the first half of the season, when he was

1294
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:11.880
<v Speaker 9>playing so well, he thought, well, maybe he's playing him

1295
01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:14.159
<v Speaker 9>his way into the draft, and then his numbers weren't

1296
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:15.960
<v Speaker 9>as good in the second half, had an injury there

1297
01:10:15.960 --> 01:10:18.680
<v Speaker 9>against Louisville. They thought well maybe they can you know,

1298
01:10:18.720 --> 01:10:21.079
<v Speaker 9>maybe he can come back. But for him too, I

1299
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:23.399
<v Speaker 9>don't think you can blame a guy who's looking at

1300
01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:25.319
<v Speaker 9>and saying, I got one more year to prove I'm

1301
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:28.880
<v Speaker 9>an NFL receiver. And this offense is just for three

1302
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.159
<v Speaker 9>years and he's been here. You just can't count it

1303
01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:34.000
<v Speaker 9>to consistently pass the ball. Go somewhere else. He's going

1304
01:10:34.079 --> 01:10:35.359
<v Speaker 9>to be at a powerhouse program.

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01:10:35.399 --> 01:10:36.119
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure next.

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01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:39.159
<v Speaker 9>Year the one dynamic would be and I'm sure Kentucky

1307
01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:40.960
<v Speaker 9>told him this, if you come back, you're the main

1308
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:43.079
<v Speaker 9>guy here. If he goes to a Georgia or Michigan

1309
01:10:43.159 --> 01:10:44.640
<v Speaker 9>or whatever, he might be the number two or number

1310
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:46.560
<v Speaker 9>three receiver. He could still do enough to get drafted

1311
01:10:46.560 --> 01:10:48.960
<v Speaker 9>in that spot, but he's not guaranteed the leading the

1312
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.199
<v Speaker 9>number one option, And I'm sure Kentucky sold him on that,

1313
01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:53.720
<v Speaker 9>but he made the decision. It's probably best for his career,

1314
01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:54.600
<v Speaker 9>if we're all being honest.

1315
01:10:55.319 --> 01:10:57.600
<v Speaker 1>When he was the number one option down to stretch

1316
01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.880
<v Speaker 1>here and they still couldn't function. Yeah, I mean, I

1317
01:11:00.359 --> 01:11:02.159
<v Speaker 1>I fully agree with you, and I think you can.

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01:11:02.199 --> 01:11:05.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, he gave this program everything he had, and

1319
01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:08.479
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned the injury. You know he was. He was

1320
01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.880
<v Speaker 1>really banged up. And as good as Barrion Brown was,

1321
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.920
<v Speaker 1>opposing defenses made it a point to take away number six.

1322
01:11:16.960 --> 01:11:18.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you go back to the old Miss game.

1323
01:11:19.159 --> 01:11:21.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, they pulled him, they held him, they shoved him.

1324
01:11:21.800 --> 01:11:25.720
<v Speaker 1>He drew some penalties and caught an important touchdown pass.

1325
01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.039
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that might be it'd be great for him

1326
01:11:29.079 --> 01:11:31.319
<v Speaker 1>to have somebody on that side of the field who's

1327
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:36.760
<v Speaker 1>consistently good. They lost a defensive lineman in Silver and

1328
01:11:37.039 --> 01:11:39.880
<v Speaker 1>I've had some people tell me they thought he was disappointing.

1329
01:11:40.159 --> 01:11:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Others thought he had a big season. What do you think?

1330
01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:45.640
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean, it's just so hard to evaluate that. No,

1331
01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.199
<v Speaker 9>his position in the three or four defense because so

1332
01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:50.520
<v Speaker 9>much of his job is just to basically take up space,

1333
01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:53.079
<v Speaker 9>so he's never going to put up huge stats. I

1334
01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:55.800
<v Speaker 9>don't think he had his best season. He probably was

1335
01:11:55.840 --> 01:11:57.920
<v Speaker 9>maybe not even even as effective as the year before,

1336
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:01.039
<v Speaker 9>but it also probably hurt him. Honestly, that Josiah Hayes

1337
01:12:01.119 --> 01:12:03.359
<v Speaker 9>was out for the whole year. Like that's a position

1338
01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.279
<v Speaker 9>where those big guys you need rotation. Like he probably

1339
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:08.359
<v Speaker 9>played too many snaps to be honest, because coming out

1340
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:10.319
<v Speaker 9>of spring they didn't have any depth. Fine, I mean

1341
01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:12.640
<v Speaker 9>they were talking about playing Kendrick Gilbert there, who's like

1342
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:15.800
<v Speaker 9>probably thirty pounds too light to play nose guard in

1343
01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:18.439
<v Speaker 9>the SEC, and so they can move theon over there

1344
01:12:18.439 --> 01:12:20.760
<v Speaker 9>at times they could do some different things, but like

1345
01:12:21.199 --> 01:12:23.119
<v Speaker 9>down the stretch when Hayes came back, I think that

1346
01:12:23.199 --> 01:12:24.000
<v Speaker 9>helped them a lot.

1347
01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:25.479
<v Speaker 6>So it's good for.

1348
01:12:25.520 --> 01:12:27.960
<v Speaker 9>Kentucky if Hayes uses his COVID here and come back

1349
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:30.279
<v Speaker 9>next year, that you know, eases the sting of losing

1350
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:31.960
<v Speaker 9>Silver a little bit. There was a report from on

1351
01:12:32.119 --> 01:12:34.359
<v Speaker 9>three yesterday, and you have to take all of this

1352
01:12:34.520 --> 01:12:36.800
<v Speaker 9>transfer portal talk with a grain of salt, but that

1353
01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:39.479
<v Speaker 9>Silver might be the highest paid NIL player in the

1354
01:12:39.520 --> 01:12:41.520
<v Speaker 9>portal is not a quarterback, and that just tells you

1355
01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:43.319
<v Speaker 9>how like how hard it is to get those nose

1356
01:12:43.399 --> 01:12:46.359
<v Speaker 9>guards who have you know, two years of starting experience

1357
01:12:46.399 --> 01:12:49.000
<v Speaker 9>in the SEC. Is a former five star recruit, so

1358
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.119
<v Speaker 9>that I think that tells you the importance of him.

1359
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:54.239
<v Speaker 9>But yeah, he clearly didn't have the statistical season.

1360
01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:57.359
<v Speaker 1>Then maybe I was going to bring up in IL

1361
01:12:57.640 --> 01:13:00.840
<v Speaker 1>because you know, when you try to think these things through,

1362
01:13:00.880 --> 01:13:02.720
<v Speaker 1>how much did he play last year, how well did

1363
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:06.279
<v Speaker 1>he do looking ahead to next year, you have to enject,

1364
01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:10.319
<v Speaker 1>especially with a guy like that and the receivers in IL,

1365
01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 1>because it's not the kind of thing. Well, they're going

1366
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:15.960
<v Speaker 1>to get money here as well, but you know, some

1367
01:13:16.039 --> 01:13:18.600
<v Speaker 1>of these figures are thrown around John are just nuts.

1368
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.319
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and Kentucky's my understanding, is in a pretty good

1369
01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:24.399
<v Speaker 9>spot and at all lights right now. And Marcus kle

1370
01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:26.359
<v Speaker 9>have been sending that message for a few weeks now.

1371
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:29.439
<v Speaker 9>It's why he's so optimistic about the portal. But they

1372
01:13:29.600 --> 01:13:31.359
<v Speaker 9>still have a budget. I mean, even if it's a

1373
01:13:31.399 --> 01:13:34.279
<v Speaker 9>top twenty in ile budget country, they've got a lot

1374
01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 9>of holes on offense they got to fill. They're probably

1375
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:38.800
<v Speaker 9>going to have to get a quarterback now, at least

1376
01:13:38.840 --> 01:13:40.880
<v Speaker 9>somebody who can come in and compete with Cutter Bowlie.

1377
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:42.479
<v Speaker 9>You're going to need to get one or two receivers.

1378
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:44.840
<v Speaker 9>They're going to need to get three starting offensive lineman,

1379
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:47.279
<v Speaker 9>which is going to be really, really expensive, and so

1380
01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:49.199
<v Speaker 9>you got to figure out where you can allocate that stuff,

1381
01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:52.239
<v Speaker 9>and so I'm certain that Silver would have been it

1382
01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:54.199
<v Speaker 9>would have been treated well if he had stayed here.

1383
01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.159
<v Speaker 9>But he's going to get more on the open market

1384
01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:58.479
<v Speaker 9>than whatever his state because Kentucky does have some other

1385
01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.920
<v Speaker 9>nose guards on the roster and it's just didn't probably

1386
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.159
<v Speaker 9>make sense for them to give him the kind of

1387
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.439
<v Speaker 9>deal he's going to get in the open market because

1388
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:08.039
<v Speaker 9>they have so many other needs they're going to have

1389
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:08.439
<v Speaker 9>to fill.

1390
01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about quarterbacks. You brought this up on Twitter.

1391
01:14:13.520 --> 01:14:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Cutter Bowlie is the quarterback of the future. But he's

1392
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.760
<v Speaker 1>going to go out, Stoop says, and get somebody into portal.

1393
01:14:20.560 --> 01:14:22.760
<v Speaker 1>And when you do that, you have to give them

1394
01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:26.520
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to compete or they're not going to come here.

1395
01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:29.560
<v Speaker 1>They're not going to come here just as a safety net,

1396
01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:31.720
<v Speaker 1>you know. So what do you think that means? And

1397
01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:34.760
<v Speaker 1>of course they signed two guys, which is always interesting

1398
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:38.560
<v Speaker 1>to have the two quarterbacks or more in the same class.

1399
01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.079
<v Speaker 1>But what do you think that means for Cutter Bowley

1400
01:14:42.279 --> 01:14:43.359
<v Speaker 1>moving forward?

1401
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.600
<v Speaker 9>I think that he'll have the chance to win the job.

1402
01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.199
<v Speaker 9>And if you sign a guy to beet with him

1403
01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:50.359
<v Speaker 9>and Cutter wins the job and that guy you know

1404
01:14:50.520 --> 01:14:53.760
<v Speaker 9>is annoyed, then you know that's a problem that you

1405
01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:58.000
<v Speaker 9>that you'll welcome. But for all of Cutter's talent and

1406
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:00.279
<v Speaker 9>his excitement and how well he played at time in

1407
01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:04.439
<v Speaker 9>those last three games, he played fifteen series against Power

1408
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:07.079
<v Speaker 9>four teams of Florida, Texas and Moibile, and they did

1409
01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:09.199
<v Speaker 9>not scorre sing a point on any of them. And

1410
01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:12.000
<v Speaker 9>so like, that's not you just can't go into twenty

1411
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:14.720
<v Speaker 9>twenty five if that's a BAK or break year assuming

1412
01:15:14.760 --> 01:15:16.399
<v Speaker 9>that he's going to be the guy you hope he is.

1413
01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:18.760
<v Speaker 9>You hope he makes the strides that has that Andre

1414
01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:22.239
<v Speaker 9>Woodson type offseason where he becomes that guy in the SEC.

1415
01:15:22.359 --> 01:15:25.560
<v Speaker 9>Maybe that happens, but you can't bank on it. And

1416
01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:28.279
<v Speaker 9>assuming Rock vander Griff's gone, I would guess that Gavin

1417
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:30.800
<v Speaker 9>Wimsatt probably is also gone because he's going to want

1418
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.399
<v Speaker 9>to go out and find the starting spot for his

1419
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:34.840
<v Speaker 9>last year of eligibility. You can't go in it with

1420
01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:37.760
<v Speaker 9>two freshmen as your only backup options. So they need

1421
01:15:37.800 --> 01:15:40.159
<v Speaker 9>to find a guy in their portal who at least

1422
01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:42.239
<v Speaker 9>is open to a competition. They're probably not going to

1423
01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:43.840
<v Speaker 9>get the best. They're not going to get up. You know,

1424
01:15:44.680 --> 01:15:46.680
<v Speaker 9>Devin Leary, who was the number one quarterback in the

1425
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Speaker 9>portal of Brock vander Griff who was a former five

1426
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.159
<v Speaker 9>star recruit last year, it's not going to be that caliber.

1427
01:15:51.159 --> 01:15:52.760
<v Speaker 9>But they need somebody who can come in and start.

1428
01:15:52.800 --> 01:15:55.199
<v Speaker 9>And that's that's honestly, you know, not the worst thing.

1429
01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:57.439
<v Speaker 9>And nobody had Diego Pavia at the top of their

1430
01:15:57.479 --> 01:15:59.560
<v Speaker 9>list last year of transfer quarterbacks and look what he

1431
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:01.159
<v Speaker 9>did at the Belt. So like, if you find a

1432
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:03.640
<v Speaker 9>guy who fits the system and fits with Bushington wants

1433
01:16:03.640 --> 01:16:05.920
<v Speaker 9>to do, he doesn't have to be a five star

1434
01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:08.359
<v Speaker 9>recruit or the number one quarterback in the portal to

1435
01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:10.800
<v Speaker 9>help you. Maybe they could go out and find a

1436
01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:13.880
<v Speaker 9>Sawyer Smith type who's okay with being a backup, but

1437
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.439
<v Speaker 9>who's good enough to help get forced into action. But

1438
01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:19.600
<v Speaker 9>it feels like they need somebody who can legitimately compete

1439
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:20.840
<v Speaker 9>with Cutter for the starting job.

1440
01:16:22.319 --> 01:16:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, looking ahead at running back as well, you would

1441
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:28.119
<v Speaker 1>think that Kentucky's in pretty good shape. They got some

1442
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:29.319
<v Speaker 1>young talent there, don't they.

1443
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.520
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I mean they lost Marcuse Davis, who was the

1444
01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.039
<v Speaker 9>top rank recruit in their commitment in their class to

1445
01:16:35.079 --> 01:16:38.479
<v Speaker 9>Missouri on the Sunday before signing Day, but on Saday,

1446
01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:40.760
<v Speaker 9>Mark s Two's basically said, you know, that's probably partially

1447
01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:43.239
<v Speaker 9>because they have so many young guys there. He name

1448
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.119
<v Speaker 9>checked ja Marion Wilcox specifically in signing Day, which was

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01:16:46.159 --> 01:16:49.199
<v Speaker 9>a positive sign because clearly he knew at that press

1450
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:52.000
<v Speaker 9>conference the Dankey baryon brown stuff was coming already, and

1451
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:53.800
<v Speaker 9>so you're not going to talk hype those guys up.

1452
01:16:53.840 --> 01:16:55.560
<v Speaker 9>I mean, at one point we talked about tight ends

1453
01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:58.399
<v Speaker 9>with fits Marrow, and he specifically did not mention Jordan Ingle,

1454
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:00.640
<v Speaker 9>who went in the portal a day later. So if

1455
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:03.279
<v Speaker 9>Mark Stoops is talking about Jamaron Willcox, they feel like

1456
01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.039
<v Speaker 9>they've got a good chance to keep him, which was

1457
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:08.000
<v Speaker 9>obviously a concern given you know, his kind of inconsistent

1458
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.359
<v Speaker 9>carries despite his talent down the stretch, and so that's

1459
01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:12.560
<v Speaker 9>a guy to build around. They really like Jason Patterson,

1460
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.279
<v Speaker 9>who played early as a freshman, got injured and then

1461
01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 9>will Cox kind of passed him, so he ended up

1462
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:20.119
<v Speaker 9>red shirting Stoop. So the chip train him wants to

1463
01:17:20.159 --> 01:17:22.199
<v Speaker 9>come back. He's got an extra year of eligibility. Obviously,

1464
01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:24.439
<v Speaker 9>this year was a disaster with the injuries, and he

1465
01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:26.720
<v Speaker 9>really didn't play down the stretch even once he got healthy.

1466
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:27.680
<v Speaker 9>But he's a veteran guy.

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01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:28.479
<v Speaker 6>Who can help you there.

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01:17:28.960 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 9>They probably need somebody else in the portal to be

1469
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:35.159
<v Speaker 9>in that rotation just for depth purposes. But if you

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01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:39.720
<v Speaker 9>keep Patterson traying them and then Willcox, that's a really

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01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:40.560
<v Speaker 9>good starting spot.

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01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.960
<v Speaker 1>And real quickly, John, you referred on your Twitter account

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01:17:46.000 --> 01:17:51.920
<v Speaker 1>to Florida State's decoordinator job, maybe being linked to Brad White.

1474
01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:54.560
<v Speaker 1>Is that another surprise in the making.

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01:17:55.279 --> 01:17:58.000
<v Speaker 9>I know they filled the job, but yeah, I mean

1476
01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:00.359
<v Speaker 9>like it. I was convinced he was going yeah, and

1477
01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:01.880
<v Speaker 9>that was the one he was tied to, and all

1478
01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.720
<v Speaker 9>of the talk that last week, nobody around the program

1479
01:18:04.840 --> 01:18:06.800
<v Speaker 9>could you know, behind the scene, but say for sure

1480
01:18:06.840 --> 01:18:08.720
<v Speaker 9>he was coming back. And then Mark Stoops clearly was

1481
01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:12.920
<v Speaker 9>hinting at it in his postgame comments talking about offensive continuity.

1482
01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:16.039
<v Speaker 9>But he could handle changes on defense this year. So

1483
01:18:16.479 --> 01:18:18.760
<v Speaker 9>it they dodged a bullet there, But we'll see if

1484
01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.000
<v Speaker 9>there's other jobs out there that you know, maybe it's

1485
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:24.319
<v Speaker 9>coming at some point. Anyway, Brad to his you know,

1486
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:26.479
<v Speaker 9>I asked him directly about the rumors after the game,

1487
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:28.520
<v Speaker 9>and he said, you know, his first his first story

1488
01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.119
<v Speaker 9>was to make sure he was safe at Kentucky and

1489
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.439
<v Speaker 9>then to start focused on getting things picked there. So

1490
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:35.000
<v Speaker 9>if he's back, you know, I think that's great for

1491
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.039
<v Speaker 9>the program. He's a great defense court intor he gets

1492
01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:39.840
<v Speaker 9>some he gets some flat from fans for maybe being

1493
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:43.000
<v Speaker 9>too conservative, but they need more brad light to the staff,

1494
01:18:43.039 --> 01:18:45.239
<v Speaker 9>not less. So if you keep hi him, I think

1495
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:46.720
<v Speaker 9>that's that's a good that's a good sign.

1496
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.199
<v Speaker 1>And again I'm amazing still here. That's how good he is.

1497
01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:53.439
<v Speaker 1>You know, programs want to poach good coaches. Kentucky does

1498
01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:56.680
<v Speaker 1>the same. So although they got a revolving door right

1499
01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.319
<v Speaker 1>now in the wide receiver room. But that's a conversation

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01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:01.880
<v Speaker 1>or nother night. John Hale, thank you so much, and

1501
01:19:01.920 --> 01:19:02.880
<v Speaker 1>we'll see you down the road.

1502
01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:04.279
<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me.

1503
01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:07.159
<v Speaker 1>Better do it for now, Thanks to my guest, John Hale,

1504
01:19:07.359 --> 01:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Van Heil, Sean Woods. Remember Kentucky basketball tomorrow night, ten

1505
01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:14.760
<v Speaker 1>o'clock from Seattle. We'll happen for you right here. That's

1506
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:18.399
<v Speaker 1>a good night. From the garage in Lexington. I'd like

1507
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.640
<v Speaker 1>to ask a few questions about this breakfast cereal. I yeah, yeah,

1508
01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:23.520
<v Speaker 1>A box of tricks.

1509
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

1510
01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:29.079
<v Speaker 6>I've been led to understand the tricks are exclusively for children.

1511
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Is that correct? Well, I mean they say tricks are

1512
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:38.359
<v Speaker 1>for kids in the commercials, and there's that enforced by law.

1513
01:19:40.039 --> 01:19:41.279
<v Speaker 1>Not to my knowledge, no

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<v Speaker 7>Das
