WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:03.560 Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. 2 00:00:04.960 --> 00:00:07.559 And I'm Stephen and this is a podcast all about 3 00:00:07.559 --> 00:00:10.279 the weird and wonderful world of the Dark comedy anthology 4 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:12.080 series Inside number nine. 5 00:00:12.599 --> 00:00:14.919 On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of 6 00:00:14.960 --> 00:00:18.719 Steve Pemberton and Reese Shearsmith's twisted tales, putting it under 7 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:21.960 a lens and examining it within an inch of its life. 8 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.120 So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and 9 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:32.759 join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, double L, 10 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:33.200 double L. 11 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:35.960 Very good. 12 00:00:36.600 --> 00:00:39.840 Let's see see double how long I can keep this up? 13 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:44.960 You've already forgot keep so I said, you said, ce 14 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:46.880 doub how long I can keep this up? 15 00:00:46.920 --> 00:00:47.439 Oh shit? 16 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:50.359 Yeah, well so about ten seconds was. 17 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:52.880 The probably guys that DOUBLET that I give it up. 18 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:55.399 Oh my god, that's going to ge annoying if you 19 00:00:55.399 --> 00:01:01.920 did that, annoying double N. All right, how are you? 20 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:03.600 I'm oh, okay, how are you? 21 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:06.599 Yeah? Fine. I made a bit of a mistake earlier 22 00:01:06.640 --> 00:01:09.040 because I was just towards the end of the workday. 23 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:10.920 I'm working from home at the moment, and there was 24 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:12.000 a knock at the door, and it was one of 25 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:15.280 those charity workers where they try and get you to donate. Yeah, 26 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:17.120 and you know what it's like for see, you know 27 00:01:17.280 --> 00:01:19.079 you can't give to every charity that comes knocking at 28 00:01:19.079 --> 00:01:21.719 your door. Yeah, but I'm I find it very hard 29 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:22.120 to say no. 30 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:22.920 Same. 31 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:25.920 And when it got to the point where she asked me, 32 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:27.439 you know if I wanted to donate, I said, well, 33 00:01:27.519 --> 00:01:29.079 I don't want to commit to anything until I run 34 00:01:29.120 --> 00:01:32.079 it past my otherhalf, who's not back from work yet. Yeah, 35 00:01:32.120 --> 00:01:33.879 And so she said, all right, I'll come back later. 36 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:35.640 Then shehall I. She said, I can come back just 37 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:36.840 before eight o'clock. 38 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:39.159 And we're moving house at half seven. 39 00:01:39.519 --> 00:01:44.680 Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, I said, oh, okay, okay, because 40 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.799 I didn't know how to say no. And then I'm thinking, 41 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:49.079 oh shit, I'm supposed to be recording, so I'm now 42 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:50.439 praying there's not going to be a knock at the 43 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:54.760 door in the middle of this. But yeah, fun news 44 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:56.920 as well to just point out that even though you 45 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.040 won't be hearing this for a few weeks, we're actually 46 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.799 recording on the day our one year anniversary of doing. 47 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:07.519 The podcast Exciting Times, which is very cool, really flown by. Yeah, 48 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:09.599 is it is it a year to us doing our 49 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:11.520 first recording or our first episode going out, the. 50 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:12.240 First one going out? 51 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.639 Okay, I thought it was. Yeah, I clearly keep track 52 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:16.240 of these things. 53 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:20.120 Yeah, it's much easy for me to see obviously on 54 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:23.080 the platform that upload the episodes on, so yeah, makes 55 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:23.439 more sense. 56 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:24.159 True. Yeah? 57 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:28.280 AnyWho, should we reveal last week's hair? 58 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:35.520 Yes? Last week it was Tom and Jerry, which is 59 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:37.120 where the boundaries and constituents are. 60 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:39.439 And I would say it's worse in America, but I 61 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:40.759 won't say if that's true anymore. 62 00:02:41.039 --> 00:02:42.759 They do seem to redraw the boundaries a little bit 63 00:02:42.759 --> 00:02:45.120 more there, but they do. Yeah, and you can't have 64 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:50.719 freedom and Jerrymander at the same time slightly shoehorned in. 65 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:56.000 Yes, a little bit well done if you spotted it, look. 66 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.800 Out for one this week. Yes, as we discuss a 67 00:02:58.840 --> 00:03:03.080 random act of kindness seven, Episode five, Helen and her 68 00:03:03.080 --> 00:03:05.680 teenage son Zac don't really get on until a random 69 00:03:05.680 --> 00:03:08.159 act of kindness brings the mysterious Bob to their front door. 70 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:10.919 He seems to understand their problems and offers to help. 71 00:03:12.479 --> 00:03:16.439 Okay, interesting, What do we think about this one? Then? 72 00:03:17.960 --> 00:03:22.159 I quite like it? Is it the most original story ever? No? 73 00:03:22.560 --> 00:03:24.240 But I quite like it. 74 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.560 Yeah, I would agree. I think it's got plenty to 75 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:27.360 enjoy about it. 76 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.319 Yeah. Oh, definitely time travel. It's our wheelhouse. 77 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:35.639 Yes, yes, very small cast unusually. 78 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:39.840 Yeah, just well just the two outside of recent Steve. Yeah. Yeah, 79 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:42.759 Jessica Hines fantastic actor. She is. 80 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:43.879 I adore her. 81 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:46.400 She's brilliant. I've not seen her in a lot of things, 82 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:47.960 so when she pops up, she's always fantastic. 83 00:03:48.000 --> 00:03:50.159 She always is. And I was thinking earlier like she's 84 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:55.240 equally good at comedy and serious. Yes, that she's really 85 00:03:55.280 --> 00:03:58.759 really gifted at both, which is unusual, I think, so 86 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:00.280 to be so good at both. 87 00:04:00.360 --> 00:04:00.719 Yeah. 88 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.719 Yeah, so I've been watching or rewatching twenty twelve and 89 00:04:04.840 --> 00:04:08.680 w one ah knows. Yeah. So she plays the head 90 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:12.639 of a PR company, right, and she is the most awful, 91 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:17.560 obnoxious character thick as two short planks, right, but thinks 92 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:20.160 she knows everything. And it's like one of those characters 93 00:04:20.160 --> 00:04:21.480 like we've all met people like that. 94 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:24.199 Yeah, and she multiple times a day usually. 95 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:28.360 Yeah, and she's just like, holy sheet, guys, we're like 96 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:36.759 boiling the ocean here, Like she's so good. But yeah, 97 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.639 I loved her character in this h you. 98 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.040 Really feel for her. You really do so difficult to 99 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:45.560 do in twenty five minutes. Yeah, it's always I'm always 100 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.360 so impressed when they manage to do it. Yeah, when 101 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.639 there's so much else to get like plot wise, to 102 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.920 get in, to give a character enough time to really 103 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.560 shine through, It's always always amazes me. 104 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:57.480 It is amazing. 105 00:04:58.319 --> 00:04:59.720 She's another one that said they've been trying to get 106 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.040 for age. His book was just too busy. 107 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.120 I'm not surprised. 108 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:07.720 So got Jessica Hines as Helen and Noah Valentine as Zach, 109 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.560 who played like It's just a really believable mother sudden 110 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:13.480 sort of situation. 111 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:14.480 Very believable. 112 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:19.079 Yes, painful, Yeah. 113 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:22.560 Yeah, this this thing of that they just they can't 114 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:25.639 connect and you feel like, I mean, we don't we 115 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:28.879 don't hear too much about the dad, but you sort 116 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.800 of you wonder what life was like when he was there, 117 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.000 and if he was I don't know. Now he's gone. 118 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:36.680 It's like a piece of the Jigsaws missing and she 119 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.079 can't quite sort of connect with him. 120 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:40.319 Yeah exactly. 121 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:43.000 But yeah, I mean I feel so sorry for her. 122 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:46.720 But some of the things she says to him, you 123 00:05:46.839 --> 00:05:51.560 just think you're not helping yourself, Like like, what teenager 124 00:05:51.600 --> 00:05:53.360 is going to respond well when you say something like 125 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.680 you know things that us humans call ingredients, and when 126 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.319 he was already in a mood like that's not going 127 00:05:59.360 --> 00:05:59.879 to help as. 128 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:03.920 It's well, although I'm kind of living in that boat 129 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:06.040 at the moment because it was just a time recording 130 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.959 Eurovision of the weekend and I had a party. So 131 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:10.120 my fridge is just full of olives and hummas and 132 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:13.160 all the crap that didn't gain right at the party 133 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:14.720 and that I don't know what to do with. It's 134 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:15.920 not a meal, but it's a lot of food. 135 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:21.000 We also the opening there with a voiceover from Reese. 136 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:27.319 He gives us lots of scientific principles, which I quite 137 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:29.319 like the way that they use that as a framing thing, 138 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:32.279 and it's sort of, you know, obviously thematic to the 139 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:35.120 whole relationship between them and stuff that. 140 00:06:35.120 --> 00:06:37.360 They're not going anywhere, and then this new force comes in. 141 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:41.000 Yeah yeah, yeah. But also that you see him, you know, 142 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:44.000 skateboarding home at the beginning, and there's this thing of 143 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:47.120 an object in motion will remain in motion unless whatever 144 00:06:47.120 --> 00:06:49.720 it is, unless another object applies of whatever it is, 145 00:06:49.759 --> 00:06:54.079 Plasa falls or something something like that. I'm not a scientist, 146 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.399 but you know, sort of almost in that moment, it's like, oh, 147 00:06:57.519 --> 00:06:59.360 is he the object in motion? And is something going 148 00:06:59.399 --> 00:06:59.920 to stop him? 149 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:03.319 You know? Yeah, whenever you see someone on a skateboard, 150 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:07.040 it's it's like Chekhov's gun, isn't it Like at some 151 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:09.000 point they're going to get hit by a car. Yeah. 152 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.279 Whenever a camera is close up on wheels of a skateboard, 153 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.800 it's immediately before I get it hit by a car. 154 00:07:14.959 --> 00:07:18.079 Every time. Yes, Seah, I did expect that. I think 155 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:20.160 that's where it was going the first time I watched it. Yeah. 156 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:25.120 So yeah, So he's come home from school. She wants 157 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:29.800 to talk m H. But he's not interested. No, he's 158 00:07:29.800 --> 00:07:32.439 annoyed that she's got her clicks on her typing. 159 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:36.519 They are infuriating. My mom does this as well. Yeah. 160 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.920 It's such a parent thing, isn't it. Yeah. 161 00:07:39.040 --> 00:07:41.600 Yeah, I just love their interaction though, When you know, 162 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:44.600 he tells about disabled clicks, she's like, no, well disabled clicks, 163 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:46.759 you disabled clicks, And he's like alf. 164 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:54.079 One of they insists on putting those on because it's 165 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:55.600 always on by default and you can never get rid 166 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.279 of them. Is it because the people that do want them, 167 00:07:57.279 --> 00:07:58.639 would never be able to actually put them on. 168 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:04.079 Probably, as we often often say, obviously, but lots of 169 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:06.439 lines that have extra meaning when you know the twist, 170 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:09.680 Like when they're talking about his dad walking out and 171 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:11.639 she says, if I could go back and do things differently, 172 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:12.040 I would. 173 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.879 There are a lot in this I don't know. I'd 174 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:16.680 noticed that one. 175 00:08:17.160 --> 00:08:19.800 That's just occurred to me on my last watch today, 176 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:23.079 and I've got to call out probably the best line 177 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:27.600 of her best delivery. Can't we please live together without 178 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:32.559 all this constant argie bargie. Let's cut the beef. Bro 179 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:39.000 she tried. 180 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:46.120 Cut the beef. 181 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:48.960 That's even dated for our generation. 182 00:08:51.000 --> 00:08:53.240 That's what she says at a Sunday dinner. Let's cut 183 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:58.639 the beef. I'll cut that joke because that was appalling, 184 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.200 very sad household. I think, Yeah, the thing I was 185 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:11.879 thinking was, I mean, obviously, I know he's got issues 186 00:09:11.919 --> 00:09:15.279 because his dad had left and this and that, but 187 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:18.120 obviously he's eighteen. If he's doing his A levels and 188 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.799 he's soon to go to UNI, I would assume I 189 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:23.120 feel like that's a bit old to be doing that 190 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:24.960 whole moody teenager thing, isn't it. 191 00:09:26.000 --> 00:09:26.440 I guess. 192 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:27.039 I don't know. 193 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:30.559 Yeah, I suppose if the dad's left and everything, he 194 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:32.799 might have just like he might have been fine, and 195 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.559 it's sort of delayed it a little bit off, Yeah, 196 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:38.320 made it come back. I don't know. We don't know 197 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.919 how long ago the dad left. I suppose it's at 198 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:44.399 least a Christmas ago. That's about all we know. 199 00:09:45.039 --> 00:09:48.919 Yeah, but yeah, it's not a very likable character. 200 00:09:49.559 --> 00:09:52.200 No, I do feel I do feel for the mum 201 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:52.480 a lot. 202 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.360 Yeah, definitely, like she's doing all she can. 203 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:56.360 Yeah. 204 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:59.240 I do you think single parent families where it's just 205 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.559 one child must be really tricky. They could either be brilliant, 206 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.039 you know, if it works well, they could be such 207 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:08.320 an amazing team and if it doesn't, if not, it's 208 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.559 so difficult you're stuffed. Yeah, because there's not a third 209 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.759 person to mediate at any point or yeah, it's always 210 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:15.320 one on one. 211 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:17.519 Yeah. 212 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:21.360 So there's a lot of nice shots of things in this, 213 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:25.200 like highlighting that whole cause and effect and motion things 214 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.879 that we've got the bird hitting the window. Yeah, poor thing. 215 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.000 Won how much as the budget went on c G 216 00:10:31.120 --> 00:10:31.720 I in this bird? 217 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:33.759 Was it CGI? 218 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:35.080 Well? I assume it must have been. 219 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.240 No, I don't know, I hadn't thought of that. I 220 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:38.759 assumes it. 221 00:10:38.799 --> 00:10:39.759 Was a bird at the window. 222 00:10:40.159 --> 00:10:40.720 It was probably it. 223 00:10:40.679 --> 00:10:43.080 Could have been it could have been like a model 224 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:43.799 or something. 225 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:46.960 I suppose I cas other one that's flying around the 226 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:47.399 lone room. 227 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:48.200 Oh that. 228 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.600 Yeah, they've probably phoned up birds are us and got 229 00:10:51.639 --> 00:10:59.120 them to bring in a bird. Yeah maybe I don't know. Yeah, No, 230 00:10:59.159 --> 00:11:00.519 I hadn't thought it. Didn't think it was CG. 231 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:02.679 I I kind of assumed maybe. 232 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.799 Yeah, and then you've got Helen spilling her to your coffee. 233 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:11.080 I'm not sure which. So it's kind of they never 234 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:14.759 put things like that in unless it's sort of important 235 00:11:14.919 --> 00:11:18.039 going to be used later, Like it's. 236 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.279 A nod to something, may be a nod to the 237 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:21.679 red herring that they're trying to sell. 238 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.399 But yeah, but I think something that's really effective because 239 00:11:25.399 --> 00:11:27.840 it's such a sort of one undomb thing. If you 240 00:11:27.879 --> 00:11:30.080 knock a drink over and it goes everywhere, you can't 241 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:36.600 undo that unless you're reversing time. Well that's what I mean. Like, yeah, 242 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:40.720 so yeah, this bird has gone splat pod. 243 00:11:41.960 --> 00:11:45.080 It's a nice little what I assume puppet that's there 244 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:46.559 on the on the grass. 245 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:48.519 Yes, I guess it's a puppet. 246 00:11:48.840 --> 00:11:53.240 It's very sweet. That's a poor thing. Yeah, but then 247 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:57.799 Steve pops up, I do think here, so what the 248 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.559 mum reacts a little bit oddly. So we've got Bob 249 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.000 turns up here. Steve's character picks up this bird, brings 250 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:06.840 it to the house, and she then immediate lets him 251 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.960 in and starts doing all sorts. I think I'd have 252 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.759 had a few questions here, like why were you looking 253 00:12:13.759 --> 00:12:16.559 around outside of like how did you spot this? Like, 254 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:18.840 m m, it seems a little bit odd. 255 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:21.840 Yes, it's a bit far fetched that he happened to 256 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.600 be outside just at that moment. 257 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:26.360 Hmmm, Well I don't think it's far fetched obviously in 258 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:29.320 his point of view, but for her not, Yeah, you know, 259 00:12:29.399 --> 00:12:30.840 exactly remotely question it. 260 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:31.759 Yeah. 261 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:35.360 Yeah, I think she's a bit desperate and she's just 262 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:38.000 very lonely. A man turns up on her doorstep and. 263 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:39.159 Who seems really kind. 264 00:12:39.240 --> 00:12:41.639 Suddenly it's like, I'll come in, you know, save me 265 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:42.720 from this miserable life. 266 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:44.200 Yeah. 267 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.000 So yeah, it's quite noticeable straight away his quirk of speech. 268 00:12:49.039 --> 00:12:50.679 I've found a little double tea bird. 269 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:54.279 Yeah, it's sweet. It's strange. They don't address well, I 270 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.480 guess you wouldn't, would you address it so quickly? But 271 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:57.799 just take a while before they get to that. 272 00:12:58.519 --> 00:12:58.960 Mm hmm. 273 00:12:59.559 --> 00:13:01.200 Yeah, he's just very nice man. 274 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.559 Yeah, very nice, very sweet. So they take the bird 275 00:13:04.600 --> 00:13:05.600 inside to look after it. 276 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:06.399 M hm. 277 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.879 And all it wants is a cardboard box. Apparently a 278 00:13:09.960 --> 00:13:10.879 carbo box will. 279 00:13:10.720 --> 00:13:18.720 Fix it like a wet paper towel. Yeah, and yeah, 280 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:21.080 I mean he's obviously very interested in Zach as soon 281 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.320 as he comes in, you know, looking at him up 282 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:25.200 the stairs and like. 283 00:13:25.159 --> 00:13:29.919 He already knows. Yeah, it's a weird situation that I 284 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:33.519 don't know. It just feels so uncomfortable to me, like that, 285 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:36.759 You've just got this stranger in your house, so especially 286 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:39.360 once the bird's gone, so spoilers. The bird is fine, 287 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:43.200 apparently flies off and then he's just sort of stood 288 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:47.120 there and you're like, okay, now what do we do. 289 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:51.039 You can't exactly just kick him out, but equally, what 290 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:52.240 reason has he got to be there? 291 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:53.320 Mm hmm. 292 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:55.840 Maybe I'm just a really mean person. 293 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.240 I think I think maybe it's a generational thing, because 294 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.279 I think I would feel the same as you, right, 295 00:14:03.799 --> 00:14:06.799 But I feel like someone like Helen, you know, it's 296 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.200 more that sort of thing. Of I don't know, like 297 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:12.120 you sort of give people the benefit of the doubt 298 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:14.679 and just sort of assume that they're assume everyone's a 299 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:18.639 nice person unless proven otherwise. I don't know. I wouldn't. 300 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.320 It's not so much that I think that he's bad, 301 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.240 but it's just I just would be like, Okay, now 302 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:27.000 what do we talk about. I just find it very 303 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:28.159 uncomfortable on that point of view. 304 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.960 No, I know, I think I'm the same. I just 305 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.679 but she's I don't think she's got that worry. She's 306 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:36.279 just like, here's a new person for me to get 307 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:37.320 to know, sort of thing. 308 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:40.840 Just that desperate for any other person, Yeah, to talk to. 309 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:45.039 Yeah, or just you know, the circumstance of the bird 310 00:14:45.480 --> 00:14:49.200 brought him in, but doesn't mean you can't then chat 311 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:50.720 and find out about him. 312 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:53.000 Yeah, you know, true, true. 313 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:58.440 Yeah, I mean I wouldn't. But yeah, I wouldn't even 314 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:04.440 have let him in. Oh thank you, bye. 315 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.120 Go wrap it up in your coat and go. It's 316 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:10.120 saying of little things that are nods. Maybe I wonder 317 00:15:10.200 --> 00:15:11.840 if this is intentional or whether it's just a slip 318 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.440 up in the script. I don't know. But when the 319 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.799 sun turns up, Bob says, please the double E meet you. 320 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:19.240 So he says the double E before the meet. 321 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:20.200 Oh, he does, doesn't he? 322 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.000 Yeah, But every other time it's afterwards. Is it meant 323 00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:26.120 to be some sort of very subtle thing of like 324 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.519 I don't know that he's either messing up because he's 325 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:33.679 flustered or because it's like, you know, backwards in time situation. 326 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:34.279 I don't know. 327 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:35.919 I mean, that's the thing with recent Steve, if you 328 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:39.519 never know how how clever they're being, Like, Yeah, it 329 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:41.320 might be it might be that's something they put that 330 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.799 much thought into, or it might just be the rhythm 331 00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:46.799 of the line sounded better yeah that way round. 332 00:15:47.480 --> 00:15:48.679 Or it's genuinely a fluff. 333 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.480 Yeah. And also there's a there's a I can't remember 334 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:53.200 exactly what the line is, but there's a line where 335 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:56.600 he says shall and he doesn't say double l oh. 336 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:58.759 So whether that was deliberate or whether that was just 337 00:15:59.440 --> 00:16:02.559 that would have been too jarring in that moment. But yeah, 338 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:05.399 sometimes it's like dramatic license a little bit, isn't it, 339 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.879 Because even later on in the episode, when things get serious, 340 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:09.840 he stops doing it. So it's not like he has 341 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:10.559 two all the time. 342 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:13.240 No, it just it just helps. 343 00:16:13.080 --> 00:16:15.080 Him feel more comfortable to do it. 344 00:16:15.720 --> 00:16:16.120 Yeah. 345 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:21.159 But yeah, there's the thing where they both speak at 346 00:16:21.159 --> 00:16:24.279 the same time, yeah, which is well, obviously that's another 347 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:27.799 nod as well. So then being the same person, yeah, spoilers, but. 348 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:29.440 If you don't know already. 349 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.200 Yeah, the fact that he then does the whole jinx 350 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:36.080 thing and then he's like so seriously like, Zach, you 351 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.960 can speak now, I no, I can, I'm not eight 352 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:40.519 years old. 353 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:43.600 And the way that the mom's like he's not going 354 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:47.519 to introduce yourself, and the way that Bob does because 355 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:48.879 it's his mum telling. 356 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:52.759 Him, like, yeah, that's so true. 357 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:54.840 Even he's not even thinking about it. It's just like, 358 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:57.840 I introduce yourself, even if it is too for yourself. 359 00:16:58.320 --> 00:17:02.759 But yeah, bless m because. 360 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.240 That is presumably is unless he's been watching from like 361 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:07.319 you know, out on the street and stuff. This is 362 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.920 the first time he's seen her in like sixty years 363 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.359 or something. Definitely the first time he's probably spoken to her. 364 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:16.279 Ye he's you know, rendering the shop or something. 365 00:17:16.119 --> 00:17:18.240 But which is just mind blowing. 366 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:23.359 Yeah, So we take this opportunity to recruit him as 367 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.279 a as a tutor for Paul. Little Zach who's not 368 00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:31.319 doing so well in his grades. No, and we won't 369 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:33.319 let any of our tutors. Will just find the first 370 00:17:33.319 --> 00:17:34.839 one that says he can do it off the street 371 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:37.720 because we only have twenty five minutes. 372 00:17:37.759 --> 00:17:42.599 So well, yeah, true, there's something that I kind of 373 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:43.799 want to bring up, but I'm not sure when the 374 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:48.359 right moment is all right. But so when you watched 375 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.880 this the first time and you didn't know what was 376 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:54.319 going to happen, Yeah, where were you thinking it was going? 377 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.799 I'm really not sure I was. I think I was 378 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:02.000 probably concerned it was going to be a Loves Great 379 00:18:02.039 --> 00:18:05.799 Adventure type story right where it's just a little family 380 00:18:05.839 --> 00:18:10.079 situation and it wasn't really you know, no one was 381 00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:13.960 going to get ill and that was it and it Yeah, 382 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:15.480 so that's I think that's what I thought it was 383 00:18:15.519 --> 00:18:19.640 going to be, or that the Bob character was was 384 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:25.519 had evil intentions as in a grooming thing. Maybe I 385 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:26.319 don't know, that's see. 386 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:28.640 That was what I thought of it the first time 387 00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:31.319 I was watching it, because the way he's so like, 388 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.359 he seems really interested in Zach and like quite sort 389 00:18:35.359 --> 00:18:39.079 of yeah, creepy almost when you know he's the one 390 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:41.680 that says, oh, I could chew to him, and later 391 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:43.200 on he's like, oh, if I just spent more time 392 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.799 with him, and it's just felt like everything was sort 393 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:45.799 of pointing towards that. 394 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:48.880 Yeah. Yeah, actually, but I did. 395 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:51.119 Some googling to see if anyone else had they thought that, 396 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.359 and I couldn't find a single shred of anyone saying that. 397 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:56.920 Then I was like, is it just me thinking that? 398 00:18:56.960 --> 00:18:59.720 But no, I mean maybe listeners, if any of you 399 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:01.759 thought that, then let me know. 400 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.960 Yeah, I think I think it was some sort of 401 00:19:04.960 --> 00:19:06.759 an intent. I don't know if it was necessarily that. 402 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:08.799 I'm sure. I'm sure that would have crossed my mind 403 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:12.200 at the time, because yeah, it must be so hard 404 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:17.640 from Bob's point of view to act properly, yes, because 405 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:21.079 he's got to pretend so much. Yeah, that would come 406 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:25.599 second nature. Yeah, admittedly this fifty sixty years since he's 407 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:29.039 met either of these people, but yeah, like you'd slip 408 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.000 straight back into talking to her the same as you 409 00:19:31.000 --> 00:19:32.960 would have done, which would feel overly familiar. 410 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:36.519 Yeah, and when he's just talking to his younger self, 411 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:39.799 like what there is no sort of correct etiquette for 412 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:43.880 how you do that? Really, Like, you know, it would 413 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:46.240 just be mind blowing. Wouldn't it like. 414 00:19:46.680 --> 00:19:49.279 You would come across as far too familiar. Yeah, because 415 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:52.559 you know exactly how to talk to you, Yes, exactly, 416 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:54.640 which works when both of you know, but when one 417 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.279 of you doesn't, it comes across really weird. 418 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:57.880 Yeah, that's so true. 419 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.640 Especially when you throw on the extra level of you're 420 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.000 not wanting them to know, so it's going to make 421 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:03.519 it very odd. 422 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:05.200 It feels like you're hiding something. Yeah. 423 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:07.680 Yeah, Yeah, it's a very. 424 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.880 Good performance from Steve in this episode. Yeah, and I 425 00:20:11.000 --> 00:20:15.119 like how they have basically the same hair style, but 426 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:16.880 just his is gray. 427 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:17.039 Yeah. 428 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:20.880 They did say on the podcast how what they could 429 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.519 do to make them look like how close they were 430 00:20:23.559 --> 00:20:26.240 going to make it, and like there was a lot 431 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:27.759 of things that they said they cut because they were 432 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.319 just too obvious. You know, when they sat down at 433 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:31.960 the table or whatever, they'd sit down in exactly the 434 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:34.440 same way, or if they both crossed their legs at 435 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:39.319 the same time or something like that, it looks too obvious. Yes, 436 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:41.839 but yeah, he said things like the hair and the 437 00:20:41.839 --> 00:20:44.839 hair parting and yeah, having a similar sort of accent 438 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:46.720 and all that kind of thing. As far as they 439 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:47.400 really wanted to. 440 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:50.119 Go, well, I feel like their eyes are quite similar. 441 00:20:50.319 --> 00:20:53.640 Maybe that's just you know, when you watch it and 442 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:55.680 you know that they're the same person, your brain tries 443 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:59.039 to kind of find true way. But I felt like 444 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:01.359 they had quite similar eye Yeah. 445 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:04.039 He said that they originally were looking for people with 446 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:05.960 blue eyes because that's what Steve has, but you know, 447 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:09.160 contacts were an option if necessary, and that he didn't 448 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:12.039 want someone with an extremely different accent that he'd have 449 00:21:12.039 --> 00:21:12.519 to try and do. 450 00:21:12.759 --> 00:21:16.359 No, No, I think I think. 451 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:17.920 They said no it was from Manchester or something, so 452 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.359 it wasn't a million miles away from. 453 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.079 Where he was from. 454 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:22.599 Yes, that helped. 455 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:28.359 So, Yes, we get another little scientific interviews with Reese, 456 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:32.119 and this time we get to see him hm hm. 457 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:42.240 Whig team went wild this week in clearly not a 458 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:46.400 green screened room. 459 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.039 It's it's quite something, isn't it is? 460 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.960 Isn't it bless him doing his best Bill. 461 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.279 Nigh, Yes, the science guy. 462 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:58.799 I don't know what I thought was going on with 463 00:21:58.880 --> 00:21:59.920 those videos at the time. 464 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:02.279 Well, that's the thing. You watch it back and they're 465 00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:05.920 so they're so futuristic in the background. Yeah, it's sort 466 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:07.519 of as obvious, and I don't think I ever twigged 467 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:07.960 at the time. 468 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:11.640 I don't think I did before you were meant to. Yeah, 469 00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:13.759 I think that sort of gave me hope that there 470 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:14.920 was something weird going. 471 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:17.160 On, exactly, because otherwise, what's it there for? 472 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:19.279 Yeah, that this episode was going to be more than 473 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:22.519 just a little kitchen sink drama exactly. Not there's anything 474 00:22:22.559 --> 00:22:23.319 wrong with that, but just. 475 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:28.799 No, no, no, yeah, yeah, and then we see Bob tutoring Zach. 476 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:29.680 Hmm. 477 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.160 Again. Another thing I found creepy was that they're just 478 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:36.200 in his bedroom. Surely they could just do it at 479 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.160 the kitchen table or. 480 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:37.799 Something in the kitchen. 481 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:40.519 Yeah. 482 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:42.880 I guess they needed for plot reasons for them not 483 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:44.119 to be there, of course. 484 00:22:44.200 --> 00:22:46.319 Yeah, but yeah, But trying to look at it from 485 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:47.920 a realistic point of view, it's a bit like, yeah, 486 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.079 a bit strange. 487 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.640 Especially when we don't when neither of them know this. 488 00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:54.839 Guy exactly, you know. And then later in the episode, 489 00:22:54.880 --> 00:22:56.839 she kind of realizes that that, like, we don't really 490 00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:58.680 know who he is, and like this that was very 491 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.359 obvious the whole time. He thought of that before he 492 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:04.960 should It shouldn't take a cereal box for you to realize. 493 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:10.400 That, No, she's not the best mom in some way. 494 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:16.359 So yeah, so he accidentally writes the date as sixty two. 495 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:20.559 Mm hmm. They play off relatively well, I think. 496 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:24.039 Yeah, I mean that the twist at the end, well, 497 00:23:25.119 --> 00:23:26.240 or the way that he plays it off. 498 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.039 He plays it off as just yes, yeah. 499 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:30.799 It's a good number to choose, that it works both ways. 500 00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:34.599 Yeah, nice little nod for later that you'll work out. 501 00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.160 But yeah, it doesn't immediately seem weird. 502 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:40.799 At the time, no, exactly. Yeah, And I just thought 503 00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:44.119 it was really interesting to see how Zach is so 504 00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:47.480 much nicer with Bob than he is with his mum. Yeah, 505 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:50.240 and it's like, that's so sad that he's got all 506 00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.400 this all this venom gets directed at his mum. And 507 00:23:52.440 --> 00:23:55.000 actually he's quite capable of being a nice guy. 508 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:58.039 Yeah, he's quite sweet when he wants. 509 00:23:57.880 --> 00:24:01.200 To be exactly like, he really gets on well with Bob. 510 00:24:01.319 --> 00:24:03.880 And obviously they're the same person, so makes. 511 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:05.000 Sense, but I assume they would. 512 00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:08.559 But again, when you don't know what's going on, it's 513 00:24:08.599 --> 00:24:10.279 a bit like, oh, he's got on with this person 514 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.319 very well, very quickly. Right, Yeah, it's interesting. 515 00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.559 For an element of a like father missing father figure, absolutely, yeah, 516 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.960 like replacement thing. And so I guess as well, like 517 00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:26.759 his mum, I imagine I'm not you know, I'm guessing 518 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:30.839 isn't particularly up on sciencey stuff, so he probably can't 519 00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:32.240 talk to about any of this kind of thing, and 520 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.519 there is a bit of a barrier there, Yeah, that 521 00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:38.279 he car't expresses his hobbies and his you know things, 522 00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.119 he enjoys doing schoolwork and all that kind of stuff. 523 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:43.559 And then he's got someone that can. Yeah, so he 524 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.640 probably would connect with them quite quickly, I guess. 525 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:51.599 Yeah, we get the little tattoo and his arm highlighted. 526 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:55.759 Yeah, I feel that was a little clunkily done personally. 527 00:24:57.759 --> 00:25:00.240 I think I think Bob could have seen that. You 528 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.720 could have shown Bob seeing it a bit more. 529 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:05.359 Really and just suddenly mention it. Oh yeah, I happened 530 00:25:05.359 --> 00:25:05.799 to notice. 531 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:06.400 Yeah. 532 00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.799 And also, is it a bit of a weird thing 533 00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:10.319 to just have a tattoo of your own name on 534 00:25:10.359 --> 00:25:19.640 your arm? Yeah, right, in case you forget it. 535 00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:24.000 You forget. It's the same that the people that get 536 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:26.640 the date of birth and Roman numerals tattooed in case 537 00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:30.119 you forget and also just can't remember Arabic numerals like 538 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:36.240 you have to have it in Roman. But yeah, and 539 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.839 he says it's because he just did it to piss 540 00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:42.200 the mum off. It's like, well, I think i'd have 541 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:44.400 gone more extreme if that was the just have your 542 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:49.680 own name written on you Yeah, I don't know, skull 543 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:51.839 and crossbones or something if you like, yeah, I don't 544 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.599 know your own name. Presumably he's had to go somewhere 545 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.640 to have this done, unless he's just scratched it in himself. Like, 546 00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.039 and I like to think that the tattoo studio would 547 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.759 firstly go you're not old enough, and secondly go, really 548 00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:07.680 that's what you want, Like, I know they shouldn't be judgy, 549 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.680 but equally, yeah, your own name on your forearm? 550 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:11.559 Is are you sure? 551 00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:12.599 You're really sure? 552 00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:15.720 Is it not eighteen? You have to be to it 553 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:16.359 might be? 554 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:20.000 It probably is, Actually I imagine he's only just eighteen though, Yeah, 555 00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.920 but you might have had it recently. I guess. Yeah, 556 00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.880 it looks like it's not munew though, no, who knows. Yeah, 557 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.680 maybe had him reaching over for something and yeah, exactly, 558 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.720 yeah it being pulled back or whatever. Yeah, yeah, because 559 00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:35.799 then he pulls his sleeve back to show it. So 560 00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:37.319 it's like, how did Bob see it? Anyway? 561 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:38.400 Well? 562 00:26:38.480 --> 00:26:41.799 Yes, like I know that in Bob's mind, he'll be 563 00:26:42.039 --> 00:26:44.400 doing that to set it up for later, so that 564 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:47.400 he's got because he gets interrupted this point by the mum. 565 00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:50.079 So whether he was just about to say. 566 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:52.240 Yeah, I was going to ask that, do we think 567 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.799 he was actually about to spill the beans or I 568 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.039 expect so yeah, yeah, because I wondered if it was 569 00:26:57.079 --> 00:26:59.880 that or if it was just a not not revealing 570 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.519 who he really is, but but maybe trying to encourage 571 00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.920 him to be a bit nicer to his mum. 572 00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.400 Yeah, because he's saying here how much he hates the 573 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:11.319 mom at this point, m and you can see the 574 00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:15.160 pain which was really her Yeah for Bob, bless him. 575 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:21.519 Turns out that she's she's cooked for them and including Bob. Yeah, 576 00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:22.519 he can stay for dinner? 577 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:24.960 Yeah, why not? I guess we don't know how much 578 00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:26.279 time has passed at this point as well. 579 00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:27.680 Yeah, that's true. 580 00:27:27.720 --> 00:27:30.039 Yeah, we get that. We presume that this is their 581 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:32.920 first tutoring session, but it might not be. I guess no. 582 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:35.480 But yeah, he's it's sort of like he's become a 583 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:39.799 bit of a family friend. Yeah, and you know, knowing 584 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.599 how Zach was with his mom, you sort of would 585 00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:45.640 expect him to be a bit like instantly just hate him, 586 00:27:46.079 --> 00:27:49.640 mm hmm. But he sort of becomes like, oh, you know, 587 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.599 Bob's great, like yeah. 588 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:54.240 Well yeah, like you said, shared interests and. 589 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.759 Yeah exactly, and he gives him his time and attention, yeah, 590 00:27:58.839 --> 00:28:02.000 which you know, Helen just doesn't really know how to 591 00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:02.960 do or isn't able to. 592 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.480 No. I do wonder how long it is since the 593 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.599 dad's gone. I did originally assume it was ages ago, 594 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.160 but now I'm thinking maybe not. If the mom's like 595 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:15.119 you'd think you'd have grown to understand how to deal 596 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:17.079 with him. If it was it was a long time ago. 597 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.319 If I had to say, I'd probably guess maybe a 598 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.079 couple of years, yeah, two or three years maybe. 599 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:22.920 Yeah. 600 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.319 So he wants him to do some homework and look 601 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:30.640 at the Grand National races and pick a winner based 602 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:34.519 on the physics. Yeah, because of course that must be doable. 603 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.440 And here we finally get asking what the deal is 604 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:42.279 with the double letters? 605 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.519 Yes, and it's. 606 00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:46.440 Just as he does to keep to calm himself down. 607 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:50.680 I guess, yeah, mild OCD says, I spent first rewatch 608 00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.160 night trying to work out if there are any three 609 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.759 letter words, and remembering if there was any point in 610 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.279 the episode he said triple something, but I don't think 611 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:00.599 there is in English. 612 00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:02.440 I mean, yeah, I was going to say, I can't 613 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:03.680 think of a triple that's a word. 614 00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.279 No, I don't think there are any unless you have like. 615 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:09.240 Hyphened yeah, like yeah, yeah, yeah. 616 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:10.799 And the fact that they made him a bookkeeper, just 617 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:11.880 so that you have to say. 618 00:29:11.720 --> 00:29:13.880 Yeah, I love that devlicatably. 619 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:18.039 Yeah, and she actually makes quite a good joke for 620 00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.960 G and T. Like she's quite quick thinking considering she's 621 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.960 quite tipsy. Anyway, you can have double. 622 00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:24.160 G and T. 623 00:29:26.799 --> 00:29:28.279 Or is it a joke that she's been working on 624 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:32.960 for weeks? Probably, Yeah, she's finally pucked up the courage 625 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.319 to ask him about it. I'm going to dwn well 626 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:35.880 use my joke. 627 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:41.480 Absolutely, Yeah, but yeah, she is getting a bit a 628 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:45.079 bit tipsy and obviously embarrassing Zach. 629 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.200 Yeah, that would be so awkward to be him. 630 00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.359 Yeah, because she is being a bit flirty. 631 00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.079 Yeah as well, nowhere near as awkwards it is for 632 00:29:55.079 --> 00:29:56.319 Bob exactly. 633 00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:58.960 Yeah, it's the whole back to the future. 634 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:04.599 Back to the future. Yeah, because like she touches his 635 00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:09.359 hand and he initially seems doesn't doesn't think like that. Yeah. 636 00:30:09.400 --> 00:30:11.000 As to him, I guess it's probably the first time 637 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:15.160 his mum's ever touched him in like fifty sixty years exactly. Yeah, 638 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:16.240 and then he realizes what. 639 00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:23.920 Yeah, and it's not appropriate, no, he So it's interesting, 640 00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:27.119 you know, they're talking about the Maldo CD and then 641 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:29.759 Helen says it's similar with her clicks that they make 642 00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:31.599 her feel better, but just that, but he doesn't want 643 00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:34.319 me to have them. Yeah, and that is the big 644 00:30:34.359 --> 00:30:36.319 trigger for Zach to storm off and be like, oh 645 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.640 fux sake. I don't really get why that was the 646 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.799 moment that really tips him over the edge. 647 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:44.920 Yeah, I guess it's is it Is it the mom 648 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.359 like trying to get Bob on side, when Zach's finally 649 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:49.799 thought he's got someone on his side. 650 00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:51.960 I think that's possibly what I felt. Yeah, it was 651 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:55.440 almost like she was trying to gang up on him 652 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:57.920 or something. Yeah, because I would be if I was Zach, 653 00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.799 I would be annoyed in that situation. I'd be like, 654 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:01.279 shut up, like. 655 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:12.279 Exactly, So, yes, runs out, you need to get away 656 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.359 from here before we accidentally we write time early. 657 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:21.839 So we get more Reese again. Yes, very science fiction set. 658 00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:23.039 The background, as we. 659 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.920 Said, with his little toys. 660 00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:29.559 Yeah, oh, I love those Newton's Cradle thing. I think 661 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.400 it's called My grandparents neighbor used to have one of those, 662 00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:36.680 and I just remember being a very young child and 663 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.720 just loving going around there because they had quite a 664 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:41.519 close relationship and needs to go around there and just 665 00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:49.799 love playing with that thing and watching the balls. Maybe 666 00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:55.960 the man I am today watching those bulls swinging. 667 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:08.359 Oh dear, I saw a video. I think it's from 668 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.200 your favorite play that you keep mentioning the such and 669 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:14.440 such and such and such a dead people. Yeah, that's 670 00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.440 the one. They have a bit with Newton's Cradle. 671 00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:20.240 Oh yeah, giant, yes, yes, yes, I. 672 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:22.039 Saw that on ticked out recently and made me think 673 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:22.240 of you. 674 00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:26.319 Yeah. They added a load of those bits in for 675 00:32:26.359 --> 00:32:27.880 the film with Gary Oldman. 676 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:30.799 Oh it was Gary Oldman. Oh yeah I can see. 677 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:33.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, very funny. 678 00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:33.880 Hm hmm. 679 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:37.200 So yeah, as we said, she finds a cereal box 680 00:32:37.279 --> 00:32:44.519 and upside down, we've got calculators writing bliss. 681 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.359 Now, maybe I'm being thick here? What's going on here? 682 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:49.720 Like? 683 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.519 Are we meant to think that old Zach has turned. 684 00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.839 Up without having thought of a without. 685 00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.519 Having thought of a name, seen a box upside down 686 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:04.200 with very all writing and gone that works and taking it. 687 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.960 I assume that's what it's meant to be, all. 688 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.279 In the space for about three seconds. 689 00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:14.000 Yeah, it's like the looking at the newspaper, don't faire dear? 690 00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.640 At least that was a headline though. Yeah, a barcode. 691 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.720 Yeah, it's very much a stretch. It's a lot because considering, 692 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.079 like we said, how much is at stake and how 693 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:32.119 much you'd have to sort of plan. And he's not 694 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:35.240 an idiot that you wouldn't think of a pseudonym before 695 00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:36.119 you went. 696 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.599 He's invented time travel, like I'm sure you'd have thought 697 00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:41.279 of things like this at least come up with a name. 698 00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:44.079 Maybe he came up with a name and then he 699 00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:45.799 saw Bob Bliss and he thought, oh, that's better. I'm 700 00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:46.200 going with that. 701 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:53.160 Maybe, But yeah, I remember watching that thinking, God, good, 702 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.880 something really weird's happening here. I'm much more invested now. 703 00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.319 Yes, he's not sure, he says he is no. 704 00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.720 And also, you know, there's something bigger than this going on, 705 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:07.279 like how is his name got into a barcode? Like, oh, 706 00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.480 I don't think I even realized that point he just 707 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:11.840 read it off there, because I didn't even have time 708 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:15.800 to read it, let alone think about it. Okay, but 709 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:17.960 I'll let them off. I'd rather it be like I 710 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.320 don't know the name of the mascot on the cereal 711 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:34.480 box or something, you know, Tony Tiger. Yeah, yeah, and snap, 712 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.480 crackle and or pop. 713 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:50.400 So going from the hilarious to the emotional. 714 00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:51.440 Mm hmmm. 715 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.960 Helen has a phone call from the hospital. Yeah, they 716 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:55.840 need to see her today. 717 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:57.639 Clearly not good news. 718 00:34:58.519 --> 00:34:59.760 Yeah, I feel so sorry for her. 719 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:00.480 Hmmm. 720 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:05.000 And Zach comes in and he's actually in quite a 721 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:05.440 good mood. 722 00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:10.000 Yeah, it's nice, seem happy. Yeah, they're like they're like ships, 723 00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.039 Like neither of them are ever going in the right 724 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:17.400 direction exactly. Yeah, it's gutting, m They just need more 725 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.679 moments where they're both happy. Yeah, and it would just 726 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:22.719 turn it all around, But they just always happened to 727 00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.239 be ones in the wrong headspace. 728 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:29.480 Yeah. So Bob's won nearly two pounds on the Grand 729 00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:33.639 National and he wants to give Zach half for UNI. Yeah, 730 00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.119 and I'm like, well, that's not going to go very 731 00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:36.960 far given tuition fees these days, but. 732 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.880 Yeah, yeah, very true. That's not even that's barely a term, 733 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:49.679 isn't it. Yeah, it's not. No, it's not. Yeah, Yeah, 734 00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.360 I have to give back to old three three grand years. 735 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.360 Yeah yeah, but this is the thought that counts. 736 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:59.840 Yeah, we meant to presume that he just did this 737 00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:01.000 because he knows who won that. 738 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.599 Grand because you would, wouldn't you. 739 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.119 Yeah, well, I mean I wouldn't. I wouldn't remember anything. 740 00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:12.880 But I saw a Hannah Fry Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've 741 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:14.920 seen her podcast that she does. It's her and some 742 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:18.239 other scientists that just talk about sciencey things. Yes, And 743 00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.559 they had an episode on time travel and they had 744 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:24.239 the quite interesting thought experiment of if you would just suddenly, 745 00:36:24.760 --> 00:36:30.440 with no prior warning, teleported into the past, how what 746 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.519 would you do if you had to to convince them 747 00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.039 that you were from the future. Yeah, like, how could 748 00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:39.639 you do that? Because ninety nine point nine percent of things, 749 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:42.320 you could say the more realistic thing, and then someone's 750 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.519 head would be well, you're clever, or you're lucky or whatever. 751 00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:46.039 Exactly. 752 00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.000 Yeah, even if you could bet on every single game, 753 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:51.800 every single horse race and get it right and someone 754 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.079 and people just think, well, you're just really lucky, or 755 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.400 you've rigged it or whatever. 756 00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.519 I suppose the flip side of that question is what 757 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:02.320 would some have to say to you today to convince 758 00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:04.679 you that they're from the future. Well, exactly right, Yeah, 759 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:06.400 what would what would you believe? 760 00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:08.800 And they said, obviously you can do things like you 761 00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.880 know land in two thousand and one, you can tell 762 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:12.920 them about the pandemic that's going to happen, but you 763 00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:16.480 won't know for twenty years. No, Like, what's the thing 764 00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:18.840 that you could say that could prove quickly? 765 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:20.639 Yeah? 766 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.000 And also obviously if you tell them things, you might 767 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.440 change stuff. Yeah, so you've got to have something that, 768 00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:28.440 no matter what you say, will always happen. Yes, So 769 00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.679 they were saying things like, if you went to nineteen 770 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.840 if you ended up in nineteen fifty, you could tell 771 00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.880 them the exact coordinates of the Titanic for example, Oh right, yeah, 772 00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:38.880 you know exactly where it is in the present day. 773 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:40.039 In the past they didn't know. 774 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:43.239 But if you've just like you said, just been teleported 775 00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:45.039 back with no warning, I don't know the coordinates of 776 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:45.519 the Titanic. 777 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:49.480 So true, but if you'd have to use modern knowledge 778 00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:53.159 of things that were lost but yeah, yet being refound. Yeah, 779 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.039 from thought experiment. 780 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:59.360 It's very Yeah, I love thinking about that stuff. Yeah, listeners, 781 00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.519 let us know what you would say to convince him. So, yes, 782 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.840 all of a sudden, given the serial packet, Helen is 783 00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:09.480 suddenly very anti Bob. 784 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.559 I guess at this point she's just really realized what 785 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.800 she's done. Yes, it all hits her in a second. Yeah, 786 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:18.079 oh god, who is this man? 787 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:22.960 Yeah? I don't know what she's thinking. Maybe she's now 788 00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.519 going down the grooming maybe angle. Maybe she's thinking, know 789 00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.039 it's something dodgy like that or whatever it is. 790 00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:30.719 I mean, this man that's been hanging out with her 791 00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:32.280 son has suddenly offered him a load of money. 792 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.199 Yes, doesn't exactly look good, No it doesn't. 793 00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:38.639 It's one thing, you know, here have fifty quid for 794 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:42.719 your birthday. It's another thing here of a grand Admittedly 795 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.199 he did just win it like it wasn't you know 796 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:47.760 his money as such, but still m. 797 00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:53.119 But yes, obviously you know eighteen year old Zach he's 798 00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:54.800 just been told he's going to have a thousand pounds. 799 00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:57.199 His mom said, No, he's not gonna be happy about that. 800 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.800 No, no, she's not saying why she's not happy with him. 801 00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.920 But still she's got a lot on her mind. 802 00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:07.280 Yeah, she already had a lot on her mind and 803 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:08.440 then she got that on top of it. 804 00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.880 Yeah, so this is a great scene, isn't it. The 805 00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:15.639 argument escalates and he thinks that his dad is going 806 00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:18.719 to pay for him to go to Union Singapore, Yeah, 807 00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:23.480 which she just laughs at because he's obviously not very reliable. 808 00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.400 No, he's got with all sorts of things in the past, 809 00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:29.199 all accounts. 810 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:30.760 And like, this is a bit that gets me is 811 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:32.920 when he says he shouts her and says, at least 812 00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.840 he believes in me, because it's like he doesn't see 813 00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:38.519 that his mum does believe in him. But I think 814 00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:41.519 she does, but she's just she has a different way. 815 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:46.480 She she's the cautious, realistic one and gets made out 816 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:47.639 to be the crusher of dreams. 817 00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:50.840 Yeah, it's tough to suck. 818 00:39:54.079 --> 00:39:56.719 And yeah, it really escalates and he calls her a 819 00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:00.679 fucking bitch and then oh my god, I mean it's 820 00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.760 awful but quite satisfying, isn't it. 821 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:07.000 He has earned it. 822 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.440 Yeah, I'm not surprised at all, like, given as we 823 00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.159 know everything's going on in her life. And then he's 824 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:19.039 so ungrateful when she's saying about you know, I wash, 825 00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.800 I clean I do all this for you, and he 826 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:22.960 just throws all back in her face. 827 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.360 And we've all been there, We've all been kids that 828 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.119 don't appreciate your parents, like we don't know everything they do. 829 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.800 But obviously it hurts when it's just her doing it 830 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.840 all getting nothing. At least, if you've got a partner 831 00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.000 there that's saying, you know, a well done on they 832 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.199 can carry up from the school or whatever, like you know, 833 00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:43.840 I don't know, like little things that you get, you 834 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.199 get that bit of feedback that would make you feel 835 00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:49.320 like you're doing something worthwhile. Yeah, but if you're getting 836 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:50.719 none of that, no. 837 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.679 It's quite a thankless Yeah. But yeah, again we feel 838 00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:59.239 we don't we don't despise her for hitting him because 839 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:03.400 she's all immediately apologetic. Yeah, and she immediately realizes she's 840 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.280 crossed the line. 841 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:09.400 Yeah, and we know obviously why she's exactly Yeah, and obviously, 842 00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:11.960 like you say, she handles it so perfect as perfectly 843 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:16.360 as she can afterwards. Yeah, once she's realized what she's done. Yeah, 844 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.599 but too little, too late for Zach and he starms off. 845 00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:21.760 Yeah. 846 00:41:22.280 --> 00:41:25.960 I feel Noah does such a good job acting Zach here, 847 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.960 like there's a little face no he's a little handshakes and 848 00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:32.840 he's so scared and shocked and everything. 849 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.239 Yeah, because that's the thing with a parent, isn't it. 850 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:38.880 It's like they're sort of they're a rock and they're 851 00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.239 like an immovable object and like you as a as 852 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.239 a moody teenager, you can shout at them and they're 853 00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.639 gonna be in an ideal world, They're going to be 854 00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:52.159 that boundary for you and they'll always be there. And 855 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:55.440 so when she shows her sort of quote unquote weakness 856 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:59.280 of you know, snapping and slapping him, Yeah, it's like 857 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:01.880 it's quite a bit t ale for him. It's almost like, oh, 858 00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.719 that you're not supposed to do that. 859 00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:08.039 Yeah. Yeah, he never he would never have considered that 860 00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.960 was an option. No, And the way he reacts that's 861 00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:12.719 never happened before. 862 00:42:13.199 --> 00:42:17.719 Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure everyone watching it felt very much 863 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:18.360 on her side. 864 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:20.320 Yeah. 865 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:23.440 So it's a bit later in the evening. 866 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:24.360 M hmm. 867 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:26.280 She's been out for quite some time. 868 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:29.920 Yeah, she's gone off and done something. I've actually probably 869 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:30.840 gone to a pub or something. 870 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.199 Yeah, probably gone for a walk. 871 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:35.760 And Bob turns up. 872 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:41.639 With flowers, with flowers, her favorite yellow roses, which. 873 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:45.599 Does show that Zach does care like that, he knows, 874 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.440 he knows, and he remembers, like as an adult, but 875 00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:52.320 that's what her favorite flowers were. So he was paying 876 00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.079 attention to the kid. Yeah, which is sweet. 877 00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:58.039 It's very clever with the you know that. Again, it 878 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:00.840 works from the creepy point of view of how does 879 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:02.960 he know so much about them? Has he been watching 880 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:04.360 them and stalking them? 881 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:07.880 Yeah, And this point Zach works that out, like yeah, 882 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.239 what are you doing? How do you know these things? Yeah? 883 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:16.480 So yeah, as if he hadn't seemed creepy enough, he 884 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:18.079 then follows that up to his bedroom. 885 00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:24.280 Yeah. Yeah, that's just weird. And the way it was 886 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:25.719 all that now, I was like, yeah, I think I 887 00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:27.599 think I probably did assume it was where you said 888 00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:28.320 it was going, with. 889 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:31.280 Him lying on the bed and then like, if you 890 00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:33.599 haven't got any inkling of of a sort of sci 891 00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:36.559 fi plot or anything, yeah, that's very much sort of 892 00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:39.239 what where it feels it's going. It's like he's he's 893 00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.880 there alone now in the house, and it's like, what's 894 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:42.440 going to happen? 895 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:44.079 Yeah, the mom's been driven off. 896 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:53.400 Yeah, but twist time, it is not awful like that. No, Thankfully, 897 00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.840 he reveals that he is a time traveler. Yeah, he's 898 00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.639 Zach from the future. Yeah, Zach to the future. 899 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.159 But literally just putting that together in my head as well. 900 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:11.079 Yeah, he clicked at the same time. Yeah, and the 901 00:44:11.800 --> 00:44:15.239 revelation about sixty two being where he came from. Yeah, 902 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.039 it's a great moment, I think. 903 00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:22.559 Yeah, and the tattoo and everything. Yeah, at no point 904 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:25.559 in the next fifty years has he got that tattoo removed. No, 905 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:26.800 forty years or whatever. 906 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:28.920 And also, I mean it's not really a great proof, 907 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.360 is it, Like he could have just gone and got 908 00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:34.800 tattoo of Zach on his arm, right, Yeah, it's a 909 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:36.880 bit like that going off on a tangent. But in 910 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.320 Doctor Who, when the doctor's trying to prove to Martha 911 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:40.880 that he can travel in time and he goes into 912 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:42.920 the tartis and takes his tie off and comes back out, 913 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.360 It's like, wow, anyone could do that. 914 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:57.840 The disappearing box quite impressive. Yeah. 915 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.039 So, yes, he's come back based to convince his younger 916 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:05.440 self to be nicer to his mum and spend time 917 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.840 with her before she dies because time's ticking. 918 00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:11.920 It's clearly on his biggest regret. Yeah, and that you 919 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:13.760 didn't know early enough to be able to do anything 920 00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:18.920 about it. Zach does buy it very quickly. But I guess, 921 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:21.000 like I keep saying, twenty five minutes, we don't have 922 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.079 time for a big argument and a discussion and things. 923 00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:27.119 But yeah, so he's explaining all this. I love that. 924 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:29.320 Like you said earlier, he doesn't he doesn't do the 925 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.079 double letters and sacks like he didn't do. 926 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.760 Yeah, yeah, that doesn't matter. 927 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:34.960 Now. 928 00:45:36.639 --> 00:45:41.559 Meanwhile, we've got Helen back downstairs breaking down with a 929 00:45:41.559 --> 00:45:42.320 glass of wine. 930 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:43.000 Yeah. 931 00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:49.119 No, But then there's this strange mobile phone ringing. 932 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.719 Which future sci fi phone looks like. 933 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.639 A Nokia from the two thousands and yet has a 934 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:55.920 ring tone which is supposed to sound sort of futuristic, 935 00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.719 And it's like, what maybe that Yeah, it's like a 936 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:02.920 futuristic device they put into a shell of a Nokia 937 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:03.840 to disguise it. 938 00:46:05.400 --> 00:46:08.800 Yeah, I not thought of that. Yeah. Or it's just 939 00:46:08.840 --> 00:46:11.639 that fashion goes round in circles and that got back 940 00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:12.559 to your style. 941 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.960 Yeah, but Rye's character Rudolph, we didn't mention it was called. 942 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:22.440 Rudolph, Rudolphe, a name that befits the hair. 943 00:46:22.880 --> 00:46:27.280 Yeah, so is the idea that he is speaking from 944 00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.679 the future. I guess, So he hasn't traveled back as well, 945 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.840 has he? So he must be speaking somehow down the. 946 00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:39.320 Line from the current future. Yeah, yes, because at this 947 00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:40.320 point nothing's changed. 948 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.400 God, it all gets very confusing now. 949 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:46.960 It does. It rapidly gets confusing. Here in the podcast 950 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:48.840 they said this is a point they originally had the 951 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:52.679 plot being that Rudolph called up to say, you know, 952 00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.199 beware of this man. Bob thinks he's a time travel 953 00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.320 or he's my patient. Oh I see, and that it 954 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:01.159 wasn't he isn't Zach was the original plot. 955 00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:02.400 There would go, oh, that was actually going to be 956 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:03.000 the real plot. 957 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.920 See, yeah, I guess then maybe in that case have 958 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:08.519 made it a bit more obvious that it's a time 959 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:10.719 travel thing, and you'd think that's where you go. 960 00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.039 Yeah, they're gone the other way around with it, because 961 00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:17.079 also that could have been a nice like ploy for him, 962 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:19.239 you know, he really is a time traveler. But then 963 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.280 Rudolph's on the phone saying he thinks he is, but 964 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:22.639 he's not. 965 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:25.480 Yeah, easy way to discredit him. 966 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.599 Yeah yeah. And then shot there's a gunshot. Yeah, so 967 00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:32.719 he shot himself. 968 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:37.079 Yes, I assume so, yeah, which I have questions about 969 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.360 I have questions about that, so I can understand if 970 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:43.199 his argument if obviously he's him, so he wouldn't know 971 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.920 how he would think his thought that if he does this, 972 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.239 it will push him and his mum together and make 973 00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:50.639 them emotionally bond. 974 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:53.000 Over it maybe. 975 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.679 Maybe, which it does, like they do start crying into 976 00:47:56.679 --> 00:47:59.800 each other's arms, and yeah, or is it that you 977 00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.480 know he can't be around because that courses. 978 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:04.000 Paradox is that it's going to change. 979 00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.079 Yeah, but if that was the case, would you just disappear? 980 00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:07.679 You think? 981 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.239 So, why does he have to go through presumably the 982 00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:11.639 terrifying thing of shooting. 983 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:13.920 By logic, Yeah, it is a bit weird. 984 00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.199 It is weird. Plus plus you're then leaving your younger 985 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:20.320 self and mum to have to deal with a dead body. 986 00:48:20.480 --> 00:48:24.960 Oh god, Yeah, I mean admitted, like you probably would 987 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:27.079 be able to explain all this to the police, but still, 988 00:48:27.760 --> 00:48:30.119 like that's presumably putting them through a lot of court time. 989 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:32.159 Trauma of it as well. 990 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:32.760 The trauma. 991 00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.840 Yeah, and especially if Zak you know, believes this to 992 00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:39.760 be the truth, that he's just essentially watched version of 993 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.480 his future self for himself. Yeah, that's awful. 994 00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.320 And he's presumably that I end up with countless hours 995 00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:52.199 of police interviews and yeah, all sorts of but that's 996 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:53.159 not relevant to the part. 997 00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:57.840 So I don't really know why he had to shoot himself. No, 998 00:48:57.960 --> 00:48:59.760 you could have just, like you say, just disappeared. 999 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.280 Yeah. Possibly, And would that have even worked better, Like 1000 00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.880 for her to run upstairs and they'd just be Zach 1001 00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.199 in this room and his own and he just bursts 1002 00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:11.480 into tears and like he's just watched this guy vanishing 1003 00:49:11.480 --> 00:49:15.480 from here. Yeah, yeah, and he can't explain it. Yeah, 1004 00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:17.519 and he'll think he's going mad or something. I guess, 1005 00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:22.159 I don't know. Yeah, But would he disappear? I don't 1006 00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.519 know here I get confused on It depends on which 1007 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.440 rule of time travel were going on, and exactly exactly 1008 00:49:27.559 --> 00:49:30.559 would he not just yeah, because he's not come back, 1009 00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.360 So he would disappear because he wouldn't have come back 1010 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.039 in the first place, which then obviously means he wouldn't 1011 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:37.559 have henitd the impact on it, which then means it 1012 00:49:37.559 --> 00:49:39.559 wouldn't have happened, which means he would have done. But anyway, 1013 00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:45.800 there's a great quote from Reese in the podcast. None 1014 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:46.519 of it matters. 1015 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:48.599 I think you'll probably watch it and just buy it, 1016 00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:51.079 because that's what you do with time travel stories. You 1017 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:54.920 accept that it exists as an idea. You don't go 1018 00:49:55.519 --> 00:49:57.840 if you want, if you're a fucker, you can unpick 1019 00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.440 it all if you want to, but you have to 1020 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.000 and you could just enjoy it for what it is. 1021 00:50:03.760 --> 00:50:05.239 I think, I think I agree that you do. You 1022 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.639 just have to accept it. But at the same time 1023 00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:10.800 it can be fun sometimes to try and it can 1024 00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:12.079 and pick these things a bit. 1025 00:50:12.199 --> 00:50:15.280 Plus. Also, I'm fine with if you just say time 1026 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:18.360 travel exists, but when you use the effects of time 1027 00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:21.760 travel for the story, yes, then it has to stole 1028 00:50:21.880 --> 00:50:23.800 up to some scrutiny. Yeah, you can't just go, oh, 1029 00:50:23.840 --> 00:50:24.440 well it works. 1030 00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:27.239 Otherwise it's just what's the point. 1031 00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:28.639 There's no stakes at all. 1032 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:30.639 It's just whatever you want the plot to be exactly. 1033 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.559 And you know, I've talked about this on my other 1034 00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.199 podcast about Doctor Who. But like you've got the different 1035 00:50:36.239 --> 00:50:38.159 like you're saying, the different rules of time travel, different 1036 00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:40.679 types of time travel and sort of ones where it's 1037 00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:44.800 like a closed loop and things are just the way 1038 00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.400 they always have been. So if the future gets changed, 1039 00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:50.280 then it was always changed. Yeah, But then there's the 1040 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.679 other ways where yeah, the other the other ways where 1041 00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.039 someone changes the future and then everything's. 1042 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:57.480 Different, ripples back. Yeah. 1043 00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.239 Yeah, so it's where it gets. The problem is you 1044 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.000 try and have both those types of things in the 1045 00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:02.559 same story. 1046 00:51:03.719 --> 00:51:08.280 Yeah, in doctor's case, you have them one week, one 1047 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.400 the other. Yeah, exactly, depending on who's writing it and 1048 00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:18.360 what I needed to do. Yes, So we we flashed 1049 00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:23.440 forward to the twenty sixties, same house, the art department's 1050 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:27.239 been in, the redest got out the spray paint, the 1051 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:28.400 white white spray gun. 1052 00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:29.639 Yeah. 1053 00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.559 It's a I mean, it's obviously deliberate, but very cheesy 1054 00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:38.679 sort of yeah, sci fi thing, isn't it. Yeah, So 1055 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:43.239 we've in this timeline, We've just had Helen's funeral and 1056 00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:46.159 turns out that in this event, she died at the 1057 00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:49.280 age of ninety three. Yep, so she was able to 1058 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.960 survive longer because of a cancer serum that Zach invented. 1059 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:56.639 Yeah, because of what happened. 1060 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:01.199 Yeah, so this is a change timeline. So this is 1061 00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:05.079 this has changed because of Zach going back like. 1062 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:10.719 Zach older zach A going back to young zach A 1063 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:15.320 has caused old Zach b yeah this point. Yeah, Yeah, 1064 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:16.360 we need a chalkboard. 1065 00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.440 But yes, I know, I spent so much time earlier 1066 00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:20.000 trying to work it out, and now I'm looking back 1067 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.199 at my notes and I'm thinking, I don't I'm not 1068 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:23.079 sure this makes sense. 1069 00:52:24.840 --> 00:52:27.280 Well, I think it does. So then you've got Rudolph 1070 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.280 b who is net is working. 1071 00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:31.960 So can I just ask so the version of Zach 1072 00:52:32.119 --> 00:52:36.679 that we see in this scene, yes, has he been 1073 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:39.159 back in time yet or has that not happened yet? Yeah, 1074 00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:40.760 that's what I thought. He hasn't done it yet, and 1075 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:42.679 so that's why when he gets killed at the end, 1076 00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:45.239 it changes again because he doesn't get the opportunity to 1077 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:45.719 go back. 1078 00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.440 That's what I took it as yet. 1079 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:48.280 Yeah that makes sense. 1080 00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:52.440 Yeah, so that older Zach in White has never time. 1081 00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:55.239 Traveled, yes, and he now and now he never will 1082 00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:59.320 because exactly Rudolf kills him. Yeah presumably, except except then 1083 00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:00.480 it's going to change things again. 1084 00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:03.440 So well, yeah, yeah, that was gonna be a big 1085 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:05.760 point at the end. I think this is it's like 1086 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:08.480 it's a loop. Yeah, it's like a like a figure 1087 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:09.000 of eight loop. 1088 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:11.559 It's two times that just alternate, isn't it? And so yeah, 1089 00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:16.039 which one is the real one? Well both, Yeah, multiple 1090 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:17.119 parallel universes. 1091 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:21.320 Yeah, it's one timeline runs through, then the other timeline 1092 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.440 runs through, then back to the start. Yeah. 1093 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:28.199 Very interesting. So I mean, yeah, we've got to bring 1094 00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:30.679 up this bit that I'm pretty sure you will have 1095 00:53:30.800 --> 00:53:34.400 issues with the same as I did. All right, the email, 1096 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:35.800 the video email. 1097 00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.239 But somehow transcends time. 1098 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:40.679 What the fuck? 1099 00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:48.360 It's a great email provider that can do this. Yeah, yeah, 1100 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.280 I don't know how that works, but it's we just 1101 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:51.960 have to go with it. 1102 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.320 And literally next then in brackets, I just put wtf. 1103 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.280 Yeah they said they spent ages trying to work this 1104 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.559 out and make it make sense enough that you don't 1105 00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.559 have to have yeah issue, because. 1106 00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:10.159 How could he possibly find out? You know, any of 1107 00:54:10.239 --> 00:54:11.960 us could have been living a completely different life in 1108 00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:13.519 another timeline and we just never know. 1109 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:18.440 Yeah, And it's it's it's as if like the timeline 1110 00:54:18.679 --> 00:54:23.039 like collapses, like the world starts getting shaky or whatever, 1111 00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.440 and then fizzles out and he's gone. Just before it's done, 1112 00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:30.599 that he's sent this emergency email. Yes, because somehow he 1113 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:32.599 knows the world's ending. I don't know. 1114 00:54:33.400 --> 00:54:37.280 Just yeah, that very much strikes me as like we're 1115 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:39.280 at minute twenty eight. Mm. 1116 00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:40.840 Hmmm, we've got. 1117 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:44.880 To sort of make this work, like yeah, yeah again. 1118 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.920 Another original idea they had was that it was more 1119 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.719 if time gets rewritten for someone, what's to fall out 1120 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.679 on other people? And it's how it's going to ruin 1121 00:54:53.719 --> 00:54:54.320 other people's lives? 1122 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:54.880 Oh exactly. 1123 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:59.039 Yeah, and the thought of imagining a future where like 1124 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:02.239 and yes, in the future where time travel exists, like 1125 00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:05.320 the very rich people could go back, have people very 1126 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.840 meticulously go back and change time for them, And what 1127 00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:11.119 would happen if some to all the people that just 1128 00:55:11.159 --> 00:55:12.239 become the collateral for that? 1129 00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:17.760 Absolutely, yeah, yeah, there's some big ideas there that hmm. Yeah, 1130 00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.559 they wouldn't have time to explore. 1131 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:25.719 No, that's the same with these things. Yeah, but yeah, 1132 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.840 can we have two seconds on the gun? Awesome sci 1133 00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:35.719 fi gun? I love it? Why do sci fi futuristic 1134 00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:36.880 things always look so. 1135 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.639 Nah, it's hilarious, isn't it? 1136 00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:45.400 They never looked believable? Yeah, bless I'm sorry prop man 1137 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:45.800 that made that. 1138 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.519 But yeah, like with the white minimalism thing, I think 1139 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:51.239 and it was just like we want to we want 1140 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.159 to make it very sort of shorthand like let's just 1141 00:55:54.199 --> 00:55:57.400 go with it. Yeah, sort of thing. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1142 00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.320 like that nineteen fifties thing where they're all upset with 1143 00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:03.760 futurism and what they've expected the future to look like, 1144 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:06.159 and that image is sort of stuck with us to 1145 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.480 this day, like Jetson's sort of thing. 1146 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:12.280 Yeah, and there's certain element of actual science develops a 1147 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:14.320 thing that exists in sci fi, soort of just makes 1148 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:15.920 it look like the thing in sci fi that it 1149 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:20.440 came from exactly. Yeah, Like flip phones were designed to 1150 00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:24.880 look like the communicators from Star Trek, for example. Yeah, 1151 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:26.480 and there's loads of things like that. I can't think 1152 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.400 any off the top of my head, but didn't you exist? 1153 00:56:28.800 --> 00:56:32.760 Yeah, like the Telly screens in nineteen eighty four that 1154 00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:35.480 predated the sort of you know what we have now 1155 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:37.000 zoom calls and everything. 1156 00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:37.480 Yeah. 1157 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:44.159 Yeah, So Rudolph kills Zach. We assume yes. 1158 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.800 Because this so this is Rudolph B that's life has 1159 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:52.800 been screwed over because Zach a time travel changed the future. 1160 00:56:53.039 --> 00:56:58.119 Now Rudolph never met him, didn't do well in science, 1161 00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:03.119 and became doctor Brad the science man. On Youku they 1162 00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:05.000 said that they liked they thought that by this point 1163 00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.599 in the future, China would have taken over the Internet. 1164 00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:08.320 That makes sense. 1165 00:57:08.400 --> 00:57:14.239 YouTube would have been subsumed by you thought. And yeah, 1166 00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:18.000 so he's somehow emailed himself that's crossed over to this timeline. 1167 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.960 He's now what in revenge? Don't know how he thinks 1168 00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:25.440 that killing. Oh yes, so he's going to kill Zach 1169 00:57:25.519 --> 00:57:29.719 b steal the time travel device that Zach a brought 1170 00:57:29.760 --> 00:57:33.280 with him. Oh yeah, try and travel back to stop 1171 00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:37.679 him doing all of this. Yeah, is how I read it. Yeah, 1172 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:39.960 because he left it under his bed. 1173 00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:42.639 Oh yes, yes, yes, it's very it's a. 1174 00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:44.199 Very portable time machine, which is. 1175 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:51.159 But you know, supposing Rudolph hadn't intervened at this point, Yeah, 1176 00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.760 Zach would never have had any had any reason to 1177 00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:58.360 go back in time because everything was how it worked 1178 00:57:58.519 --> 00:57:59.599 should be for him. 1179 00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.239 Yeah, he didn't have any regrets that drove. 1180 00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:03.199 It, No, exactly. 1181 00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.360 So, yeah, they have a fight. Presume we assume here 1182 00:58:07.400 --> 00:58:10.159 that Bob gets shot, Rudolph does everything he said he 1183 00:58:10.239 --> 00:58:13.559 was going to do, and presumably then stops Bob stealing 1184 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.440 the equipment in the future once the discovery has been made. 1185 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.159 How he then tells that I don't know, but anyway, 1186 00:58:20.320 --> 00:58:23.920 we'll just assume that happens. Bird still flies into window, 1187 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:27.280 but there's no Bob to save it with a cardboard box. 1188 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:34.760 No until well exactly, time runs its course again and 1189 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:36.079 we go back around to the beginning. 1190 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.559 So yeah, so that timeline plays out as normal, Helen dies, 1191 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.679 younger Zach grows up into older Zac that develops, time 1192 00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:48.239 travel goes back. That's the episode from scratch. Yeah, and 1193 00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:49.760 magic email makes it all happen. 1194 00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.320 Yes, that's that's the weakest point for me. 1195 00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:56.880 They just had to have a way of he had 1196 00:58:56.880 --> 00:58:58.840 to know how else you do it? 1197 00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:00.079 How you do it? 1198 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:02.000 It is crazy. 1199 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:04.920 I like the idea that he just always felt he 1200 00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:08.280 was his life was wrong. And you can say, I 1201 00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.960 suppose in this version of reality that when time gets 1202 00:59:11.079 --> 00:59:14.599 changed you can feel it somehow. I don't see how 1203 00:59:14.599 --> 00:59:18.840 that's a problem. But yeah, to literally have an email 1204 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:22.559 video from yourself. Yeah, but it's the future. Who knows 1205 00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:27.000 that's true. I suppose I suppose in fairness this rudolph 1206 00:59:27.360 --> 00:59:31.400 A has invented time travel. So has he just invented 1207 00:59:31.440 --> 00:59:34.800 some form of email that works with time travel? 1208 00:59:35.559 --> 00:59:35.800 Okay? 1209 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:41.719 But why not say that he's foreseen a version where 1210 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:43.840 he needs where timelines would branch, and he needs to 1211 00:59:43.920 --> 00:59:49.360 communicate between them. Yes, who knows? 1212 00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:50.840 Shall we rate it? 1213 00:59:51.559 --> 00:59:54.159 Why not? You go first? 1214 00:59:54.880 --> 00:59:57.639 Okay, I do quite enjoy it, but I don't think 1215 00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.000 it's quite up there with stronger one. 1216 01:00:00.719 --> 01:00:01.119 Yeah. 1217 01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:04.320 I think my instinct is saying a six out of nine. 1218 01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:06.840 Yeah, I was thinking a six as well. 1219 01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:12.440 Okay, that's fair, I agree. Oh God, here we go, 1220 01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:13.480 Here we go. 1221 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:14.880 Did you spot the hair? 1222 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:17.679 No? 1223 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.360 Every time you do that, I'm like, oh, always maybe 1224 01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:23.679 going to say yes. 1225 01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.360 The thing is I was looking. I was. I was 1226 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.599 paying really close attention to this episode because I was thinking, 1227 01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.639 next week, we've got a quiz. I just know you're 1228 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.360 going to be asking me some ridiculously anal question like 1229 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.519 ll name every appliance that they have in the kitchen, 1230 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:39.719 and I'll just be sitting there like, oh god, was 1231 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:41.920 there a toaster? Is there a freezer? 1232 01:00:42.920 --> 01:00:43.400 Fuck off? 1233 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:48.039 No, you're not that bad, but yes, you know me 1234 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:54.599 so well. So No, long story short, I did not 1235 01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:55.079 spot the. 1236 01:00:55.039 --> 01:01:00.199 Hair, No fair, I spotted it by chance. It's in 1237 01:01:00.599 --> 01:01:03.360 sex bedroom. It's on his chest of drawers. Okay, thanks 1238 01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.880 for some trophies and things. Fair enough, speaking of hers, 1239 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:09.039 did you just put us? We will tell you next 1240 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:09.840 week where it was. 1241 01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:15.719 We shall double l and I mentioned at the start 1242 01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:18.800 of the episode that we're recording on our one year 1243 01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:22.199 anniversary of our first episode. We did a post about 1244 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.559 that on social media, and we've got some really lovely 1245 01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:26.880 comments in from listeners, so I just wanted to share 1246 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:30.280 a couple of those. We actually a couple of people 1247 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.760 said called us their favorite podcast, and I was like, 1248 01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:37.000 that's a huge honor to be anyone's favorite podcast. Thank you, 1249 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.000 so thank you for that. 1250 01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:43.239 I do hope you listened to more than one, but yeah, yeah, 1251 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.039 that's a slightly hollow victory otherwise. 1252 01:01:44.760 --> 01:01:45.440 But yeah, yeah, thank you. 1253 01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:50.480 True Yaz says Happy birthday, nightth degree. Thank you for 1254 01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:53.199 bringing so much joy to my Tuesdays and for listening 1255 01:01:53.239 --> 01:01:57.800 to our Easter egg spotting rantsom theories. Leona said, Happy 1256 01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.639 ninth degree Day. Such a great podcast. Always great to 1257 01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:02.360 listen to people who have so much love and support 1258 01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:05.159 for Insundumber nine. As many people have probably said, you 1259 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:09.039 make Tuesdays enjoyable. Oh and I was thinking it just 1260 01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.599 suddenly struck me that with Tuesday being our day, we 1261 01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:13.280 should we should have made our sign off at the 1262 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.719 end of episodes. See you next Tuesday. And Reese would 1263 01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:17.119 love that. 1264 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:28.239 I missed opportunity. Oh there was the one that said 1265 01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.360 that we should celebrate with Dairly triangles on digestives. 1266 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:36.400 Oh yeah, that is a great idea. If I had 1267 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.719 digestives or daily and I would have done that, But 1268 01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.119 I didn't. 1269 01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:40.639 Me neither. 1270 01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:43.880 Yeah sad, but yeah, I would be less inclined to 1271 01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:47.360 try the spaghetti hoops in salad cream like a frazzles 1272 01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:47.719 mixed in. 1273 01:02:48.000 --> 01:02:48.920 Yeah, I'm not doing that. 1274 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:51.320 Well, yeah that sounds a bit less appetizing a little bit. 1275 01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:55.079 I think the daily triangles are digestive, might be a 1276 01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:56.800 bit bland, but they won't be awful. 1277 01:02:57.320 --> 01:03:01.239 Yeah, there'd be at least yeah yeah, and perhaps a 1278 01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:02.159 mango smoothie. 1279 01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:03.079 Yeah. 1280 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:03.519 Yeah. 1281 01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:09.039 Well we will be back with the finale wise Owl 1282 01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:09.679 next week. 1283 01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.360 We will, But for now, I think it's time to 1284 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:15.000 close the door double o or number nine. 1285 01:03:15.960 --> 01:03:18.239 But you never really double our leave, do you. 1286 01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.920 Thanks for listening to the Ninth Degree. If you'd like 1287 01:03:24.920 --> 01:03:27.599 to get in touch, you can find us on Instagram, Twitter, 1288 01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:31.119 and TikTok at ninth Degree Pod, or email us at 1289 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:34.440 ninth Degree Pod at gmail dot com. You can also 1290 01:03:34.519 --> 01:03:36.760 leave us a rating or a review, wherever you get 1291 01:03:36.760 --> 01:03:37.639 your podcasts,