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Speaker 3: All right, Ron Donson, welcome back to the Jay Burden Show.

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How you doing man?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm doing pretty good, doing pretty good considering that

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chaos abounds.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I should bring you on to discuss

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more light topics, but every time. It seems like the

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world is on fire. When I decided to bring you on, yeah.

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Speaker 4: You bring on Edwards to talk about all these fun things.

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That Angel Hard episode was fantastic and I was as

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I was listening to it on a very slow, mostly

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walk jog. I'm getting old, guys. I was like, well,

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this is fun. Why doesn't my buddy Jay bring me

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on to talk about it. I like movies, I like books.

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No I get to talk about the Four Horsemen. It's

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all dead, famine, pestilens and destruction. Oh Ron's back. The

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world must be doing good.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think I might. I might have you back on,

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maybe to discuss your music career. I think that would

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be a good episode.

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Speaker 4: But I did that with some o GC guys or not.

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That was fun. We can do that. We can talk

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about my dalliance with Van Halen, but we're here to

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talk about more serious things. Jay.

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Speaker 3: This is complete sidebar issue, literally completely irrelevant. I was

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actually supposed to record with several other people today. I

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couldn't because my power went out. It's back on. I

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live in the South, It's midway through March. A window

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in front of me. It is now snowing, if this

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isn't a sign of the apocalypse, I have no idea

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what it is.

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Speaker 4: Well, for those of you watching and not listening, it

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is not snowing here.

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Speaker 4: It is a glorious we're in that we get about

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two weeks of spring in Dallas before the before the

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blast furnace gets opened, and we're in the middle of that.

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It's actually chilly today.

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Speaker 3: So but in any case, we're not here to talk

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about the weather, just an observation because I'm sort of

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a gas that it's snowing when it was eighty degrees yesterday.

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But in all seriousness, I brought you.

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Speaker 4: Always it's always winter, always winter under that uh witch

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that you live under. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Really, uh don't remind me somehow, as over as I

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thought it was, it is even more over than that.

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The things going on in my state are I was

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gonna say, worse than I could have imagined. But they're Yeah,

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they're just about as bad as I thought it could

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be in my worst moments. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But speaking

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plan right, perfect transition. We're here to talk about Iran More.

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I put on an episode yesterday with Fears and Darryl

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Cooper going over certain aspects of it, and it's rare

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for me to do two subsequent episodes on the same topic.

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But this is a big deal, clearly, and there's a

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lot of different aspects that I wanted to address that

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I simply couldn't in an hour and fifteen minutes. Right,

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there's only so much to say. And Ron, you've been

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going on a podcast tour talking about this issue. Your

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work with Fearis and Petequanonas is excellent. I highly recommend it.

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and so I'll throw it to you. Ron, What is

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we got here quickly, and we could spend easily spend

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an hour talking just about this. But I think that

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there is an absolute, absolutely, a manipulation campaign meant to

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sidetrack the president from his what his opponents would call

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isolationist goals, what I would call just wise application of

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the donro Monroe doctrine of can we own our near

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abroad and defend that for instance, uh midnight hammer I

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the Panama Canal. I have no problem with that. I

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a regional hegemen and global power. You need to own

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your own space. It's why Canada and Mexico and Cuba

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an ocean and a sea and a desert. But that

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being said, Uh, the president was was exposed in the

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and the work of and I'm I don't know what

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to always think about Max Blumenthal, but his uh, you know,

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that he was very concerned of for his own personal safety,

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for the safety of his family. And I thought, and

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and the way it was was put to me, I

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thought that he was concerned about honestly about IDF and

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Masad infiltration into the administration. Uh, it's it's it's out

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in the open throughout the d O D. The Massad

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presence in the Pentagon and so on and so forth.

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the case at all. What he had been convinced of.

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a long campaign by the CIA and FBI to convince

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the president that Iran was looking to assassinate him and

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had the capacity to do so. That is very troubling.

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essay about this and and he has some pretty good

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receipts on the matter. I highly suggest that. And so

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so in hindsight, what the the the trepidation that the

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been convinced was an Iranian attempt to assassinate him and

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his family. Uh, take care take out his family. So

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we have that one level of manipulation. And then we

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also see that uh that BBU that net and Yahoo

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was had UH basically told the president with or without you, uh,

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absolutely going to attack Iran uh and they were going

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to withhold uh withhold the right to use whatever means necessary.

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officially have. Have nudge nudge, wink wink. And that's unaccepted.

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if you anyone using nukes, even a tactical nuke a

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you know, that completely up ends the mad calculus apple cart.

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operational security of our own forces, which I think we

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saw was very, very low anyway, even even with us

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going in like we did. So this manipulation campaign to

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get the president off his not just campaign promises, but

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his philosophical foundation of what a foreign policy for America

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first should look like. I think was was was planned,

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I'm looking at you, Susie Wiles, and Susie has allies.

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we are, and that's very troubling to me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at the same time, we've seen this

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sort of unprecedented push throughout the kind of civilian side,

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through the media. This is something that you know, fear

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is brought up yesterday talking about the series of purchases

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in you know, the mainstream world. Obviously you have Barry

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Weiss rising to a position of prominence the free press,

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but also you know what happened with TikTok and others.

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plus or minus, that was sort of the first thing

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very different than the last the twelve day war right

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between Israel and Iran last year. We weren't seeing the

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sort of things that we saw before, and you realized

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very quickly that non traditional narratives were being suppressed very,

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very heavily. Similarly, we've seen an insane response from Epstein class, right,

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those sort of people. For instance, one of the things

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that you know, I noticed very quickly is that many

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of these Zionists who have been clamoring for longer than

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I've been alive, we need to get Iran, we need

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to kill their leadership. Well, as soon as they got

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what they wanted, instead of taking a victory lap saying

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we did it, awesome, great, they pushed even harder. Right,

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you have people sort of making claims about Turkey, which

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you know, look like I'm not a fan of Turkey.

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I don't want to live there, but they are a

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country in NATO that's a very difficult you know, ask

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to wage some sort of war against Turkey. And in

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the media we've seen political figures from across the spectrum,

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board losing their minds. And one of the things is

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that there's been a very deliberate effort to cast opposition

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to this war as one of two things. You were

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either a Holocaust denying Nazi or an isolationist. This is

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almost a direct quote from Ben Shapiro, who blamed the

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fact that, according to him, fifty three percent of Republicans

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under fifty don't believe the Wikipedia version of the Holocaust.

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need to get rid of this crazed conspiratorial thinking. It

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says that Israel got us into this war. Mark Gerberwitz

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in the New York Post he wrote an article making

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that exact same claim that if you oppose this, you

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believe that there is a shadowy Jewish cabal controlling the world.

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This blood libel. That's the only reason you can oppose this.

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multitude of reasons to oppose this war, a multitude of

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reasons to say this isn't a good idea. Now you

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mentioned the operational security, one of the things we've seen

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being sort of tossed around is the supposed commando option.

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the term they're using for it, which is the idea

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of using special forces. We can't really confirm or deny

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those rumors that that is planned to occur, but the

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alleged target seem to be very very dangerous for our assets.

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It would involve flying a lot of very expensive guys

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that there aren't a lot of into airspace where they

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could be shot down and killed, sort of another version

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of what we saw with Operation Red Wings. This is

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setting aside the diplomatic fallout, right the countries and the Gulf,

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who understandably are quite peeved at us, let alone, you know,

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South Korea who's had their THAD batteries hijacked, right taken,

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and so the idea that this is the opposition to

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this war is motivated out of some sort of cheap

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ethnic hatred is completely and totally absurd, and really at

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the core of this, I think are two issues, which

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is one, what does it mean to be sovereign? What

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does it mean to be a sovereign nation? And two

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what does it mean to be a serious nation? A

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nation that has civilizational concerns instead of this sort of

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you know, primary focus on I guess we could say

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prosperity if even that and uh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, particular kind of a particular kind of prosperity. But

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but let's back up, because you've got a ton there. Yeah, yeah,

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there's a lot there. But what I would say, let's

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let's let's be very uh let's be very rational and

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step back and try to put this in uh in

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a press conference uh speak to begin with, and then

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let's get more granular and more gritty. I think in

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wartime there's always a temptation to collapse the range of debate. Okay,

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so anytime bullets start flying, there's just the the the

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the window gets smaller, regardless, that's part of that is

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is not just governmental but human nature. Okay, we're we

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we want to U pull together, and that ends up

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pulling at the at the limits of of ideological view

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that's kind of a natural thing. But if you question

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the wisdom of a conflict, not just this one, but anyone,

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you're told you must be. This is historically in this country,

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you must be either an isolationist or motivated by prejudice.

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realist tradition, which asks a different question, not whether we

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like or dislike a country, but whether given conflict actually

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serves the long term interests of the United States. And

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that should always you should always push for that to

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be valid. That is a valid question, no matter what.

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And the way and the way you ensure it's legitimacy

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is say, hey, look, I'm I'm absolutely pro us and

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and I don't want our guys killed. You do see

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some I have seen some weird you know, there's some

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weird fringes where you know, maybe our guys getting killed

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will serve our long term purpose. Look, I just don't that.

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I don't want to entertain that those the guys who

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are man, the guys who are fighting, regardless of whether

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I agree or disagree with whether they ought to be

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over there. They're Americans, and if we're going to be

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if we're going to see America as not just this

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propositional thing, then we have to be pro flesh and

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blood Americans. Right, So I kind of want to step

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against that. But to your great greater point is I

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see kind of this, And tell me if you think

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I'm wrong here, but I kind of see this effort

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to Ukrainify the United States, this Ukrainification, and what does

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that look like? Well, okay, bear with me. Who was

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Zelenski before? When when Ukraine was actually a normal going

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concern back in the day. He was he was a

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TV guy, He was a TV star, He made people laugh.

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He you know, he was comedian, but he was you know, uh.

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And and who is the cabal that now runs the

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country that we helped put into power? But the US

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foreign policy gang helped put into power because Maydahan was

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absolutely we pushed that along, if not gendered up completely ourselves.

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Look who the controlling interests are in the country now?

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That really doesn't reflect the the people in Ukraine. Okay,

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So I don't want to get too ethnically specific about that.

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But you can put two and two together, and I

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see a similar effort being done without having to go

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the Bircher or the conspiracy route. I just think you

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see a very similarly uh uh some of the same

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incentives driving the the the ruling class here. And no,

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I don't think uh Jews are the boogeyman that secretly

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run the world. There's just not enough of them. Do

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first citizen of the world because that makes most sense

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for a diasporic people, and therefore because we're the most

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because that's the most rationalist take. That's the Do I

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see all those incentives aligning? Yes, and uh so that's

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kind of where I see. I see this kind of

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uni ukrainification and process at play here, and I think

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it would be easily. I mean, look, the history of

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Russia shows this. Only seventeen percent of Russians were Bolshevik

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at the time of the revolution, So it's easy for

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a unification of incentives around some of these same goals

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to hold a greater than let's call it democratic mass

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impetus or influence. And I think that's what's going on,

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rather than a Elders of zion kind of view of things.

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I think they just there is a there's a confluence

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of incentives and views that Nea Kon's Zionists, collectivists kind

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of new new wave in the sense of there's a

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certain part part of the tech community that sees this

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as the kind of the atheist rationalist what's the next

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step of human evolution. There's a part of that, there's

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a part that really isn't that's more more right oriented,

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but there's a portion that that's and and the confluence

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of all these kind of points in that direction, but

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it But finally to your final point is is this

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what serious nations do? And that's the big question because

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if serious nations are see a civilizational cohesiveness to their

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to their identity, and that stands a thwart this cosmopolitanism,

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this this uh what we've been talking about, the open

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society kind of thing, and and serious nations are civilizational

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and civilizational nations ask the questions that we just asked,

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is this in the long term civilizational interests of the

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United States? Rather than does this make does this make

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arrow go up? Long term? I don't think it does

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that at all. But But but that's the thinking behind it.

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So that's kind of that's that's a lot. Your question

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was a lot, but that's kind of where my head

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is on on on all this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that that question of like what

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is best for the nation is really at the core

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of this, and I think that's part of why you've

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seen a deliberate attack on so called isolationism, which is,

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let's be honest, it's a slur. It is intended to say,

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you have a ridiculous opinion, We don't need to talk

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to you because look.

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Speaker 4: Like islence you. It's meant to put you in an

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ideological internment camp. That's what it is. Okay, we can't

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do real internment camps anymore because we've in our egalitarianism,

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we said that's the one thing that FDR did that

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was wrong, But we can as freaking surely put you

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in an ideological internment camp. And that's what that's meant

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to do. Anyway.

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Speaker 3: Go on, Well, and I mean you've seen as part

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of this ongoing fight between sort of con inc and

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you know, whether you would call it the new Right,

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I mean, this has been going on since the election,

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but particularly since you know, the Israel hamas war kicked off,

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is that there's been a deliberate attempt to purge the unbeliever. Right.

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We've seen this throughout you know, different young Republican organizations.

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We saw this at Heritage, We've seen this at you

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know a number of levels. And particularly this term isolationism

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is oftentimes bundled with an idea that, oh, you just

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hate one America or you hate the president. And I

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don't think that's a particularly compelling argument, seriously, but it

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has been used and it is currently being used to

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do exactly that, to sort of create this ideological internment

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camp where we can just section you off, dismiss you

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sort of out of hand. But I think part of

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the reason that this slur doesn't stick is that myself

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and many other people look at, you know, a history

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of recent wars that were done quite poorly, but we

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can think of many other armed conflicts that we think

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we're a good idea. You know, I may be in

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the minority, but I think by doctrine at the time,

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both Korea and Vietnam were legitimate. Right within that framework,

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they made sense. You know. Okay, maybe it didn't work

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out great, but like at least, you know, you can

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within the sort of constraints at the time, is a

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reasonable decision.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So as a philosophy, was that a viable and

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valid philosophical view to foreign policy? Yes? Absolutely, okay, And so.

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Speaker 3: The reason I bring that up is, you know this,

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I am not despite the fact that I'm good friends

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with him, I'm not in this Scott Horton camp on war.

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You know, I don't believe that war is fundamentally illegitimate.

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It is a thing people do. It is a horrible thing,

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but it comes, like the seasons. It is something that

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people do. So given that when I am told, well,

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I must accept seemingly the complete sort of surrender of

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my nation's sovereignty, my nation's right to decide on its

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own matters of war and peace, that isn't really an

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issue with isolationism. It's an issue about, well, what is

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the point of this country? Are we independent? Are we

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a civilization? Because you and I spoke on the phone

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a week ago plus or minus about comments from Secretary

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of State Marco Rubio, and I realized that he later

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walked these back. In my mind, it's sort of an

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open question as to whether he walked back those statements

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because they were untrue or because he shouldn't have said

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it out loud.

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Speaker 4: That shot collar, Uh, that burns after a while.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And he basically intimated that the whole reason we

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got into this is because Israel was going anyway and

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we were worried that without our support they would go nuclear, right,

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a situation we don't want.

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Speaker 4: That's right, And Okay, I loved it that he came

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out and said that. It was like, oh, we're gonna

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talk about the elephant room, finally, finally.

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Speaker 3: Right, And so okay, let's discount that. You know, you,

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my imaginary critic, might say, well, Rubio walked those statements back. Okay, Well,

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let's simply look at the interests of Israel and America

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what we both want, and sure there are areas where

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those are aligned, but as with any two nations, there

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are gaps, and seemingly this war is being waged to

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serve the interest of Israel and not ours. Here's one

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more example when you have the President saying, and he

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was joking when he said this, well, we killed our

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first choice for the next Iranian leader, and our second

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and our third right, all of our plans to have

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a regime change were stymied by everyone getting blown up.

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That indicates to me that that really isn't what we

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wanted to have happen. That strike, at least as far

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as I know, was carried out by Israel, and now

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we have become thoroughly embroiled in this conflict, which again

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seems to be in Israel's interest and not ours. I

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mean down to the point where you have you know,

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oil tankers with our flag on them getting blown up

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in the strait of horror moods, which is a situation

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that we definitely don't want for fairly obvious reasons. So again,

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the idea that the only possible objection to this is

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one of either isolationism or sort of undue hatred to

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a certain ethnosectarian group, to me, that doesn't hold up,

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because I'll admit I'm no friend of the state of Israel.

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I don't particularly like it, as that should be no

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shock to my viewers. But I can set that aside.

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I could say, you know what, I'm biased. I have

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these sort of inclinations, but setting those aside, this doesn't

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seem to be a good deal or my guys, my team,

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the nation I live in, and so I think that

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that question of sovereignty is very close to the core

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of this issue. Are we in charge? Because it doesn't

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feel as if we are kick it back to you Ron.

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Speaker 4: Well, what you're getting at, ultimately is the question of legitimacy.

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So I gave a talk in college station earlier this

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where anyway earlier this week, and one of the questions was, well,

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is this going to erode the support for Trump? And

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my answer is that legitimacy always flows from one simple question.

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I don't care if you're a king or an emperor,

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or a local representative or president, whatever it is, it's

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do the people believe that you have their interests at heart?

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They don't even look. Being a good guy helps only

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inso much as they think you might be more trustworthy

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to do those things. Uh. Being a bad guy kind

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of hurts, I guess at the margin, but not really

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a good guy bad guy. Uh, your ultimate philosophical standpoint,

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All of that goes away in mass democracy if if

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you think if that, if I represent you, period, you're

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gonna make things better for me, and you're doing your

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best to do so. It's why guys like Clinton who

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didn't do that but were very, very good at convincing

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people that that that that was his only point of living,

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that that's why they do well. It's why uh Reagan,

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who wasn't you know, maybe the brightest guy in the world,

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but was a very good communicator, could do so. Obama

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the same thing, was a horrific resident, but immensely popular

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because people believed all he had to do was get

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on TV, and people believed he represented them, at least

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the majority did. So this whole operation calls into question

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because of number one, it goes against look at me

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being all continental. Number one, it goes against the president's

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stated goals of his foundational beliefs, and number two against

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his promises to uphold those things. And then number three,

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as it's come out that we're doing this because another

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nation basically you know, wag the dog, so to speak.

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So it's a question of legitimacy. Ultimately, does this does

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the president? Is he's staking his legitimacy? Is that the tape?

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Is that the stakes he's bet here? And I think yes, Now,

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is he uniquely talented in the ability to could he

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go on TV? I mean, one of the reasons I'm

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not really trading around all this is I mean, I

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think this is going really badly, but I can't trade

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around it very much because he could go on TV

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and convince, hey, we're winning, we're doing great. So so

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he has a unique capability to convince people that even

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though he's going against everything he promised, that he's not

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just by saying he's not. And he look, he's been

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very open about this in the past. You know his

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famous line about, look, I could murder somebody on Fifth

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Avenue and you know that whole deal. So but that's

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kind of where I think the the that's the hinge

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that all this turns on. And I think that again

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it gets to this not knowing what you what? Uh what?

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Fearas and Darryl spoken on this. But but operationally there's

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some real problems because it looks like we were spoofing

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some some satellite data to show that more there were

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more uh straight transits than there were. That's bad. I mean,

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that's really bad.

475
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: Uh.

476
00:32:31,559 --> 00:32:35,559
Speaker 4: The the strike on Oman is really bad because there

477
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,240
that's far enough out of the theater that we kind

478
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,400
of thought that that wasn't in play. And Iran is like, hey,

479
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,039
look we're gonna make this. We're gonna make this as

480
00:32:47,079 --> 00:32:51,559
painful as possible, and we can keep popping up. I mean,

481
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,720
we've got a good uh, we've got a good target list.

482
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:59,880
It's clear they're getting help with our civilizational rivals, for

483
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,359
our civilizational rivals. And my again not to beat a drum,

484
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,599
but the fact that it's not being viewed as civilizational

485
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:16,400
rivals but more operation it's pure tactics is really troubling.

486
00:33:17,319 --> 00:33:21,119
And I think there's a good chance there might be

487
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,839
some operational we're we're we're, we're doing this on We're

488
00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:32,480
doing this talk on Thursday the twelfth, and this coming weekend.

489
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:36,720
I think that there absolutely may be some stuff go down,

490
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:45,200
and that's tactically questionable. That really concerns me because what's

491
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,079
holding this all together is the fact that we don't

492
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:55,599
have is that we have established air supremacy. We have

493
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,799
we do have the ability to kind of if we

494
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:03,559
can find something, we can vomit. But that's those are

495
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:07,599
all tactical wins, they're not civilis. They're not strategic wins,

496
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,920
because again, because of what I just said, they can

497
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,639
go launch a missile at Oman, they can. Two ships

498
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:21,440
got hit in Basra last night overnight. Uh uh, our

499
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:27,360
ship got that US flag tanker got hit, so strategically,

500
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,800
strategically it's not going well, and then civilizational goals aren't

501
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,360
going well. So the tactics are only going to carry

502
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,840
you so far. And if the tactics go bad, then

503
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,280
it's it's all downhill, and then the legitimacy comes into question.

504
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,559
So I don't want a black pill, because ultimately the

505
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,800
president is way better than any of the alter you know,

506
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,039
any alternative in play. I want him to succeed. I

507
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:58,079
want our other goals to succeed. I want the Monroe

508
00:34:58,159 --> 00:35:03,679
Doctrine to be absolutely upheld. I want immigration to be limited,

509
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,119
if not reversed. I want the courts to be brought

510
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:14,039
down to their constitutional rightful place. I want the executive

511
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:18,039
to have article to power. I want the legislature to

512
00:35:18,119 --> 00:35:21,920
have to be to go to to legislate again as

513
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:27,760
opposed to grandstand and just eternally be playing budgetary games.

514
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,760
And so all these things are very important to me.

515
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,119
And if this, if we lose this, then I think

516
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,559
all those other things might get lost as well, and

517
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:44,360
that's that's very, very troubling to me. So I don't

518
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,159
want a blackpill, but I'm concerned.

519
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting thing. I've spoken about this on

520
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,000
air before, but because I am very much aware of

521
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:00,880
the fact that I am in a bubble, I talk

522
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,880
to people who don't have normal opinions basically what I do.

523
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,559
So I cast my net as far as I could

524
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,599
to try and figure out what is the public perception

525
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:14,000
of this, and by and large, everything I heard back

526
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:17,719
was very negative. And one of the common pieces that

527
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,280
I'm getting is this sort of outrage of like, wait

528
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,599
a minute, you couldn't get the Save Act done, you

529
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,159
couldn't get XYZ done, But the moment that Israel wants

530
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:33,079
your help, they snap their fingers and we're there. And

531
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:37,320
in a lot of the negative coverage, or to say,

532
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,960
the kind of neo conservative coverage of this, you see

533
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,119
this term a grievance politics, which is sort of a

534
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,480
derivation of the woke right thesis that I've spoken about extensively,

535
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,360
which basically the idea is if you use grievance politics,

536
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,920
you complain about something you feel that you aren't given

537
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,920
a fair shake. That is fundamentally a legitimate that's just

538
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,400
what the left does. And I really disagree with that

539
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:09,280
analysis because in my mind, a grievance is dependent on

540
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,760
whether it is a legitimate or an illegitimate grievance. So

541
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,880
if I say, well, I'm really mad that, you know,

542
00:37:17,199 --> 00:37:21,960
more men than women compete at X y Z competitive field,

543
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,920
you know, whether that's you know, Wall Street or professional athletics,

544
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,280
and I think something should be done about it because

545
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,719
it's not fair. Well, that's kind of an illegitimate grievance.

546
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,840
We're gonna be honest, right, there aren't a lot of

547
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,280
women shaped like shack. They're probably not going to be

548
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,559
a bunch of them in the NBA, thank.

549
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 4: The Lord.

550
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,079
Speaker 3: Well, I mean go to certain parts of the Deep

551
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:44,320
South and they're getting close.

552
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,559
Speaker 4: But in all seriousness, right, somebody's got it. Somebody's got

553
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:53,760
to get those hormones put in the milk and all that. So,

554
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:54,920
I mean that's true.

555
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,559
Speaker 3: And apparently a friend of the show, Merek from the

556
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:59,559
Good Old Boys, he's into that, so you know what,

557
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,719
there's an all audience for it. But in all seriousness, right,

558
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,039
that would be an illegitimate grievance, right, nothing can be

559
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:09,239
done about it. But the idea that all grievances are

560
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:13,480
illegitimate is kind of stupid because there are very legitimate

561
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:17,519
cases where people have gotten a raw deal. If you

562
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:21,760
are American, you may remember at this little scuffle with

563
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,840
the British about exactly that we felt as if we

564
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,000
were getting the short end of the stick, a raw deal.

565
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:31,119
Speaker 4: Yes, perfect.

566
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:35,039
Speaker 3: So the idea, the idea that where this is going,

567
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,800
this may be in an article soon. I've been playing

568
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,119
with it, but point is right.

569
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 4: Okay, which point? Which are yourni platforms?

570
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,199
Speaker 3: I won't say yet, but in all seriousness, right, this

571
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,840
is another very cynical rhetorical device. The idea that if you,

572
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,079
if you object to this lack of sovereignty, if you

573
00:38:55,159 --> 00:38:59,840
object to these unmet promises, and say, why are you

574
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,719
you using your capital to accomplish the goals of someone

575
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,639
else who doesn't vote for you, who isn't part of

576
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:10,440
allegedly your nation. That seems to me to be a

577
00:39:10,599 --> 00:39:14,599
very legitimate grievance. Entirely so. And the idea that if

578
00:39:14,639 --> 00:39:16,440
you feel as if you're getting a raw deal, that

579
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,239
you're some sort of secret SJW. You know that you're

580
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,400
just as bad as the woke. I mean, it's completely

581
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,800
and transparently absurd and one of the things that I've

582
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:30,280
found worrisome coming from both the commentariat and also from

583
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:36,239
the administration is the weak to absent messaging, which is,

584
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:39,719
what are we doing here, right, what is the goal?

585
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:42,280
What is the stated goal? How long are we going

586
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,159
to be doing this? And effectively the administration has been

587
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:50,880
relatively silent on that front, and the commentariat has basically said, well,

588
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:57,079
if you object to this, you're an isolationist, left wing

589
00:39:57,119 --> 00:40:00,159
woe Corshoe theory nazi who's so stupid. We don't don't

590
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,760
have to talk to you. And I understand what you

591
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,679
said earlier that you know, in times of conflict, the

592
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,679
overton window shrinks, right, There's an instinct to rally around

593
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,639
the flag. That's very human and very natural. But in

594
00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:16,039
my mind, it seems as if we were in the

595
00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:23,960
midst of a very dangerous sort of rhetorical failing where

596
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,679
there really seems to be no narrative for our guys

597
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:33,639
other than our government is completely and totally occupied. And

598
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,480
if you're in charge of that government, that's a negative

599
00:40:36,519 --> 00:40:40,760
outcome for you. You don't want to be seen as illegitimate

600
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,280
or incompetent. And I cast my mind back to the

601
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,360
very real time during the Biden years, where many people

602
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,519
felt the same thing. They felt as if this government

603
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:55,840
is illegitimate, it's a bunch of crooks. They're incompetent, they're petty,

604
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:01,119
they're tyrannical, and in a situation where got in basically

605
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:04,159
on a protest vote, right basically on a make that

606
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,400
stop happening, and there have been wins, particularly on immigration.

607
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,639
I was very encouraged by some of the targets of

608
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:16,320
dose initially albeit you know that has gone away, but.

609
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Speaker 3: A great many people gave Donald Trump a Mandy and

621
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,400
that Mandy sure had a foreign policy component. You know,

622
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,800
the anti war coalition is always has been some fraction

623
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000
of first the Tea Party, then MAGA, but the fact

624
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:09,079
that not only has that foreign policy commitment been abandoned,

625
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:13,119
which I think, even if I don't like it, MAGA

626
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,840
could have held up under right. If it was everything

627
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,119
you wanted domestically and some foreign adventures, I think most

628
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:22,159
people would take that deal. But when it is both

629
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,960
none of that and less and less of the domestic concerns,

630
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,199
when you know you have, as Trump said right, a

631
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:37,239
major oral refinery going in apparently staffed and funded by Indians,

632
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,280
that rankles people. People get legitimately upset, They have legitimate grievances,

633
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,840
and look, it seems that there needs to be an answer,

634
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,239
and I don't know where that answer is coming from,

635
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:55,079
because neither the administration or the media allied to them

636
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,440
are providing that. So I threw a bunch at you.

637
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:01,199
There ron much chance to good with that.

638
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, real quick, I'll speak to the

639
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,960
Indian refinery deal. We did that to ourselves. It's impossible

640
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:13,880
for if it's a it's a four to six billion

641
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,840
dollar investment in order to get something like that off

642
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,039
the ground and going, and if you do it domestically,

643
00:43:21,639 --> 00:43:25,920
you have an immense and I mean immense target on

644
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:31,639
your back from all the political uh the all the players,

645
00:43:32,599 --> 00:43:38,840
and it's it increases the risk of your uh uh

646
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,480
of ever getting that you know, any return on that

647
00:43:42,519 --> 00:43:45,760
capital and so on. So the way this was set

648
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,119
up was through a basically like a swap. It's it's

649
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:55,760
a purchase agreement that that makes valid the ahead of time,

650
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,440
the the the capital interest in the in the project

651
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:05,480
that'll be mostly Americans, staffing, building, all of that. It's

652
00:44:05,599 --> 00:44:10,400
just it's just but we did that. We did that

653
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,199
to ourselves in the sense of we've created this this

654
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,239
environment where it's very hard for people to do great

655
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:23,679
things anymore because there's some left wing special interest group

656
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:30,880
that can, through injunction, make your life impossible. So so really,

657
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,400
if we're going to and we need more we've got

658
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,880
we're cheap oil producer now in the world. We need

659
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,880
more refinery capacity. We had to do this and the

660
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,360
only way it was going to get done was through

661
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,679
FOURIGN dollars. I hate to be the bearer of that,

662
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,360
but that's where your country is right now. So it's bad,

663
00:44:47,679 --> 00:44:51,000
but it's bad for different reasons than people think it is,

664
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,559
if that makes any sense. Okay, So sorry, to put.

665
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,559
I'll take off my nerd finance hat for a minute

666
00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,679
and go back to what you mention. You mentioned, you

667
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:06,159
mentioned and our the grievance culture in our founding, And

668
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:11,079
so why did and these were philosophical guys who in

669
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:17,199
the seventeen seventies, These were smart, honorable people. These weren't

670
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:23,760
just you know, these weren't four chan chuds. These were

671
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,800
absolute elite kind of folks. And why did they and

672
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,679
they were concerned with these things? Why did they consider

673
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:36,159
the grievance against England legitimate? And it was because it's

674
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:40,639
the thing that makes every grievance either legitimate or illegitimate.

675
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,559
And it's a metaphysical question. And it gets back to

676
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:50,880
it's the King was responsible personally for the for all

677
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:55,840
his colonial states, okay around the world, but specifically to

678
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,599
the American to the American project, the American colonies, and

679
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:08,000
he personally had there was this there was this royal

680
00:46:08,199 --> 00:46:12,400
pledge on the king's honor to protect and ensure the

681
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,320
prosperity and safety. And the King, in a bit of

682
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:26,760
political trouble, offloaded the responsibility to Parliament without without any representation.

683
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,599
You always hear about that, and we always hear, oh,

684
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,519
no taxation without representation. It was much deeper than that.

685
00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:38,159
It was a philosophical, metaphysical argument of honor and loyalty

686
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,199
and pledge and all these things. That's why in the

687
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,519
declaration and these things are called out, it's on our

688
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,800
sacred honor. They were calling out the king to his

689
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:56,679
metaphysical commitments. And so you can always judge the legitimacy

690
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:01,960
of aggrievance by its metaphysical commitment. And the problem is

691
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,840
we have said metaphysics is off the table. We're not

692
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,079
gonna think about that. It is all tactics. It is

693
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,960
all positivism. Positivism in other words, law is what I

694
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:19,920
say it is, rather than law is is legislated rather

695
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,000
than discovered. The classical understanding is we look for that

696
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:29,599
which is true by nature, physicis and by and and

697
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,039
we're always going to do that imperfectly because we don't

698
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:38,599
have divine revelation to every single instance. But but but

699
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,440
we seek to determine that which is true and legislate thustly,

700
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:48,039
as opposed to positivism, which is is it's pure custom. Okay,

701
00:47:48,159 --> 00:47:52,519
it's purely what we decide, because that's just and and

702
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:57,960
so that metaphysical. Uh so, there's this metaphysical understanding that

703
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,360
that we we thought the king was held and then

704
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,599
we still want to hold the president to of honor.

705
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,159
You made a promise. You've got to keep that because

706
00:48:07,159 --> 00:48:10,639
you represent us. You are the one person the entire

707
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:17,159
country votes for, one person that the entire country ordains

708
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,559
we lay our hands on. I mean, it's the form

709
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,559
of our government as Presbyterian, it is we ordain you

710
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,639
as presiding elder. That's what president means as presiding elder

711
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,239
over not just the executive branch, but the representation to

712
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,960
the foreign nations. And you have a vice elder in

713
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,599
the Secretary of State who helps you out. Okay, and

714
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,639
if there is If you don't keep those promises, then

715
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:51,320
metaphysically you are illegitimate and our grievances are valid. Does

716
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,840
that chang? Does that philosophical chain make sense?

717
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:55,679
Speaker 1: Oh?

718
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:01,039
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I realized there's a there's a

719
00:49:01,039 --> 00:49:05,559
fair critique someone could level at you and I, which

720
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:10,880
is why are you engaging with these arguments because they're

721
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:16,079
clearly not genuine. It is clearly I will say literally

722
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:20,800
whatever to get you to shut up. That's fair. That's

723
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,360
what they say, is this isn't a real argument in

724
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,320
the way that you and I might have an argument, Ron,

725
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,320
But also I think it's important to really dig into

726
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,960
the details of how this war is being legitimized, of

727
00:49:34,039 --> 00:49:37,400
what they are trying to say to get us ever

728
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:41,199
more involved in this pointless, stupid conflict. It is not

729
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,480
for our interests, and if you make that objection, they

730
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:49,440
will cast all possible slings and arrows at you to

731
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:53,480
try and get you to go away. And fundamentally, I

732
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:58,760
think that the problem is this isn't going away. Say

733
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,480
what you will about the state of Israel. They have had,

734
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,480
as the kids say, a generationally bad run. This has

735
00:50:05,519 --> 00:50:08,519
been a really tough two to three years for their

736
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:13,280
public perception in America. Whether that is what we saw

737
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:18,239
with Operation Midnight Hammer, obviously you know the what happened

738
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:22,800
to Gaza. We have the Epstein files and now this,

739
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:27,639
and clearly there are many people in this administration and

740
00:50:27,679 --> 00:50:31,239
elsewhere who really want everyone to stop talking about Epstein.

741
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,800
Do I think everything in the files is true? No,

742
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,679
clearly not. There's a bunch of random FBI tip lines

743
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,760
about you know, George H. W. Bush eating babies that

744
00:50:41,199 --> 00:50:44,199
probably aren't true, but nonetheless it.

745
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:51,760
Speaker 4: All have problems with with with George, but probably probably

746
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,360
not one of the probably not one of the sins

747
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,880
he regularly.

748
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: At least it doesn't make the top five. But you

749
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,239
a seriousness, right, you have again this same core question

750
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,519
of who is in charge and how does this work?

751
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,119
Because obviously there's many salacious things in the Epstein files.

752
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,960
You know, the man was a pimp for underage women.

753
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:21,280
He was a very bad man who I sincerely hope

754
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,880
as being Kentucky Fried in hell. But there's an additional

755
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,000
thing you can learn from that, which is the way

756
00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:32,719
that this system works is not how you and I

757
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,519
were told in school that it was. It works very,

758
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:39,840
very differently, and many people have come to that conclusion.

759
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,039
And when you have that piece of information, that model

760
00:51:44,119 --> 00:51:46,880
delivered to you, and then like six weeks later, you're like,

761
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,880
wait a minute, why are we in this war that

762
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,159
seemingly nobody seventy to ninety percent depending on which pole

763
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,199
you look at, supports this doesn't seem to be in

764
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,079
our interest. You can't blame people for drawing a logical conclusion, right,

765
00:52:03,159 --> 00:52:07,320
connecting those two points of data. It's not a huge leap,

766
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,239
and I think that one of the problems that we

767
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,960
face across the West. You're seeing this in the UK

768
00:52:14,639 --> 00:52:20,280
rapidly in America, is that much like the off ramps

769
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,800
for this conflict, where we're not really sure how we

770
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:24,559
could get out of it even if we want to.

771
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,800
I don't understand where that attitude goes. Because we had

772
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,119
the Democrats in power, motivated a lot of people to

773
00:52:33,199 --> 00:52:37,000
protest against what they saw is corruption and tyranny, and

774
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:41,039
now you have the Trump administration, who I have not

775
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:45,559
been particularly harsh to. I've supported many of their wins.

776
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,920
I view my relationship as sort of calling balls and strikes.

777
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:53,559
There've been good things and there've been bad things. But fundamentally,

778
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,760
if that movement is discredited, if the broad public consensus

779
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,639
is new boss same as the old boss, we're not

780
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,840
in charge. We have no way to redress our grievances.

781
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,400
I don't know where that energy goes. And just as

782
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:13,199
it has created a very volatile situation in the UK.

783
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:16,599
I speak to many people about this. I don't pretend

784
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:21,159
to understand your politics, Britishers, but nonetheless it seems to

785
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:26,199
be increasingly volatile. I don't understand. I don't understand a

786
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,239
way for that to go pleasantly here when there is

787
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,440
seemingly no political way to address grievances unless you are

788
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,039
a foreign interest group, a country that starts with the

789
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:40,480
letter I, Seemingly those are the only ones who can

790
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,480
get anything out of this system. And one of the

791
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:48,599
stories in my mind of the twenty twenty four election

792
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:54,519
was certain people realizing, if this continues, my situation is

793
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,639
at risk, rich and powerful people who basically realize that

794
00:53:57,679 --> 00:54:00,440
if Biden, if we continue in that direction, I don't

795
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,280
get to be rich and powerful anymore. And obviously, you

796
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:07,159
know certain of those people are profiting from this arrangement,

797
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,840
you know, whether they're involved in certain technical fields or others.

798
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:15,079
But fundamentally, if we have a major energy crisis, if

799
00:54:15,079 --> 00:54:17,639
the strait of horror moves is shut down, if you

800
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:22,039
know countries across the world are desperate for petroleum products LNG,

801
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,559
that's a problem for a country that doesn't actually make anything, right,

802
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:32,599
that can't really spin up a new refinery overnight anymore.

803
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,199
And again, going back to this the core central conceit

804
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,559
of this that seems to be a very legitimate objection

805
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:45,000
to this war. And I don't know where that person

806
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:48,880
would go to have those grievances redressed. Ron, I'm curious

807
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:49,559
to get your thoughts.

808
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,679
Speaker 4: Well, how much time we have? What are we looking at?

809
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, we had another ten minutes plus or minus.

810
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,039
Speaker 4: Okay, So I think the bigger question and that you

811
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:02,719
raised it the first of all, that is why are

812
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:06,159
we Why are we concerned? Why what interest does this serve?

813
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:11,239
And the and the way we went down this path is, well,

814
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,679
there's the geopolitical reality. And the geopolitical reality is that

815
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:22,280
there are uh several major choke points around the world

816
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:27,400
that control that the control of which is the control

817
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:34,320
of UH of of International GDP. It just that's the

818
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:41,199
way it works. So so UH Panama, Malacca, Suez, Horror,

819
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:47,800
mus Bosporus, Dardenell's Bosporus, Dartnell's not so much because the economic,

820
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,480
but because of the strategic But and so we were

821
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:54,119
always concerned.

822
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:55,079
Speaker 1: Uh.

823
00:55:55,159 --> 00:55:59,679
Speaker 4: Once oil was discovered and in the Middle East and

824
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:05,639
was a huge deal, Suez and Horror moves became hugely

825
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:11,960
important from a sense of those whoever controlled those things

826
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:16,440
had way more leverage on the international system. We went

827
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:21,280
through this is you know, everybody remembers seventy four being

828
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,280
all about Watergate, but we were embroiled in a massive

829
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,719
bear market because of the seventy three seventy four oil crisis,

830
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:34,519
you know, and and so on, and then later on

831
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:40,039
you saw again in seventy nine, and then and then

832
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:47,039
in later when Iraq took Kuwait, you saw a similar thing.

833
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:51,360
So but but the control of these choke points is

834
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:58,039
hugely important in a in a world where we trade. Okay,

835
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:03,199
So that's and we are in the world. So and

836
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,639
that has to do with just the reality of post

837
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,000
World War two. We were going to have a world

838
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,559
economy because that's how we rebuilt Europe, and so these

839
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,119
things start to have a momentum of their own. So

840
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,519
why do we give it too It's about Iran. Well,

841
00:57:22,559 --> 00:57:25,039
we've always cared. That's why the CIA have put this

842
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:28,599
Shaw in power back in fifty three, I believe that

843
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:33,559
was fifty three, and we had great relations with Iran,

844
00:57:33,719 --> 00:57:37,119
and Iran was a natural balance. You can go and read,

845
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,239
or you don't have to read. You can listen to

846
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:43,639
Nixon's interviews about the balance of Iran and Israel as

847
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:52,440
civilizational and Middle East balancing there and also Egypt and Turkey.

848
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,519
And it made this kind of four legged stool and

849
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:59,559
Nixon with Kissinger's help and running on kind of a

850
00:57:59,639 --> 00:58:05,880
knee or Morgenthal philosophical framework that was perfect. It made sense,

851
00:58:05,880 --> 00:58:09,400
and it gave us the leverage with which to support

852
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Pakistan against China. All these different things that had going

853
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,440
on that the public didn't even know about because Nixon

854
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:20,360
wasn't a blowhard and he anyway. But that's why we care,

855
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,480
and that's ultimately why we got in bed with Israel

856
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:28,639
because in the seventies after Watergate, we lost all control

857
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:34,559
over all. This with Carter's foreign policy was terrible. We

858
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:40,440
were giving away the world. We had no real way

859
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:45,760
to exert influence abroad. The Russians were ascendant or the

860
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:55,360
Soviets were ascendant, and Israel bombed a reactor using American

861
00:58:56,599 --> 00:59:01,400
hardware F sixteen's and F fifteen's in this incredible raid,

862
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,559
and we saw Israel as and this is coming after

863
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:09,800
in Tebby and the fallout of Munich, and we saw

864
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:18,239
Israel as a way to up our reputation because they

865
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:22,039
were really good at doing this crazy military stuff and we,

866
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,639
frankly were terrible. I mean, we don't know if you remember,

867
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:29,440
but in seventy nine the reason Delta forhor was Force

868
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,840
was really created was to go and rescue the hostages

869
00:59:33,679 --> 00:59:37,519
after the Shaw was deposed in the Iotola original Iatola,

870
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:43,840
Kamane took a bunch of American hostages and we did

871
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,280
this big Delta Force operation that was a massive failure.

872
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:53,760
A bunch of people got killed. And Israel was this beacon.

873
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:56,360
I'm just telling you how it was. Most of you know,

874
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,639
I was old enough to remember this. They were an

875
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:02,400
operational success. So that's how we went down this path

876
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:06,960
of teaming up with them, and it created this entire

877
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,760
with the geopolitical stresses of these choke points and Israel

878
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:16,960
being this seemingly they're winning and we're losing, We're going

879
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:22,320
to partner with them, and it created this huge momentum

880
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,079
that has just increased over time. And that's how we

881
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:28,840
got where we are. And we need somebody to stand

882
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:34,199
up and reassert our civilizational pre eminence and our operational

883
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:37,440
authority in order to stand athwart that. And that man

884
01:00:37,599 --> 01:00:42,719
is not Donald Trump. It's just not. He is doing

885
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:45,239
all these other great things. And the question is is

886
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,840
this going to bring his ability to do all these

887
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,000
other great things down? And I don't know the answer

888
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,039
to that. I hope not, because I love all these

889
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,760
other things, but he's not going to be the one

890
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,719
to stand up to I mean, he's too personal. Look

891
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,400
who put as his technical as his negotiating team, Wick

892
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:09,400
Coffin Kushner. These are two Zionists who who have zero

893
01:01:09,679 --> 01:01:14,119
technical understanding of the of of of what was going on,

894
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,440
completely out of their league. I mean, uh so he's

895
01:01:18,519 --> 01:01:23,199
just not that guy, and and I love him. I

896
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:26,159
want him to succeed, but he's not the guy to

897
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,320
stand up to Israel. It's just not gonna happen. So

898
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:32,079
I don't want to end on that note, but I

899
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:34,440
know we're running out of time. But that's kind of

900
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:36,400
where I see things.

901
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:42,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's something to that. I think that realistically,

902
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:49,440
like there are there are many many negative side effects externalities,

903
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,760
if you will, to this war continuing. And one of

904
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,719
the things that I've i say, long predicted I don't

905
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:57,320
know if this has been going off long enough to

906
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:02,199
say that, is that it's entirely possible or the president

907
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:04,920
to move the goalposts because we haven't really had a

908
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:09,079
victory condition and so I think it's entirely possible for

909
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:13,280
one to be made up after the fact, oh, this

910
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:18,239
war was entirely designed to cripple the Iranian navy or

911
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:23,119
to do something else. And we're done. And you've heard

912
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:25,480
the president say that. You've heard the President say this

913
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:28,639
war is over or we want and you know what,

914
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:33,400
it may be stupid, it may not be like technically true,

915
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,559
but I'll take it. I will take an end to

916
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,639
this conflict. I don't really care how it happens, because

917
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:42,320
not only do I think it's a colossal waste of life,

918
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:46,840
not only do I think it has the potentiality to

919
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:51,920
destabilize the world, let alone you know, our nation, and

920
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,199
so you know what, whatever it takes to end this

921
01:02:54,719 --> 01:02:59,000
within certain limits, fair enough, right? And do I have

922
01:02:59,079 --> 01:03:01,760
faith that this will, you know, mark some major change

923
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,960
in our relationship with Israel during this administration. No, I don't.

924
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,280
But I think and I this is conspiratorial, But I

925
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:13,159
have to imagine that in Tel Aviv they're running the

926
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:16,880
mental calculation on how long support for Israel is politically

927
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:22,519
viable in the US. Because the numbers I'm seeing they're

928
01:03:22,559 --> 01:03:25,840
not good, even in the Republican Party aren't good. And

929
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,920
so I think it is very much in their interest

930
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:32,559
to get us into as much of a mess as

931
01:03:32,559 --> 01:03:35,880
they can as quickly as possible. Yes, because that support

932
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,559
may not be guaranteed in the future. And I don't

933
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:41,440
know if that's a sorry bron Well.

934
01:03:41,159 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 4: No, do you think The question I have is is

935
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,880
do you think that that? Do you think the Israelis

936
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,639
believe that greater Israel is an achievable goal over time?

937
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:58,719
Speaker 3: I don't know, because this is a point that you've

938
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,400
seen from Carlson and others, which is just because you

939
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,000
want something doesn't mean it's possible. And that has been

940
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,400
a major concern of mine as well, which is setting

941
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,639
aside my personal feelings about Israel, the question is are

942
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:17,840
there goals even possible? Is this something that can be done?

943
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 4: Because realist does that, That's what you have to do.

944
01:04:21,639 --> 01:04:23,760
You have to live in the world on the right.

945
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,840
We are the faction of the real that's what that's

946
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:31,119
what grounds everything that we're about. So you have to

947
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:32,760
ask these questions.

948
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,559
Speaker 3: Well exactly and when I look at you know, seemingly

949
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:40,079
a desire to turn Iran into Gaza, to turn Iran

950
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into Syria, you know.

951
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:46,119
Speaker 4: This is non functional Libya.

952
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:52,119
Speaker 3: Is that possible? Because we've to quote Lindsay Graham, pounded

953
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:55,360
Iran to phrase he really likes saying. I'll let you

954
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,599
speculate as to why. But okay, we've done that for

955
01:05:00,159 --> 01:05:03,840
two weeks. Now do we have the material to keep

956
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:06,679
that going? That is an open question. At least judging

957
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:10,039
by our our missile interceptors, we are running out of material.

958
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have shallow magazine.

959
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:17,039
Speaker 3: Depth and okay, well, assuming we need at least some

960
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:18,920
of those for other things. Right, you don't want to

961
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:25,199
go dry trying to blow up Iran. They're still there,

962
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:29,679
like sure, you know, the Supreme Leader isn't sure. You know,

963
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,599
a couple hundred other people aren't. But seemingly Iran still stands.

964
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:38,559
It is still a nation, It still has the capacity

965
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:42,360
to endure. And so if we have wasted all of

966
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:46,960
these resources blowing up, you know, a non negligible number

967
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,039
of Iranians, but not enough to turn it into Syria

968
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:56,280
or to Kasa, well what have we done here? Realistically?

969
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:56,960
What have we done?

970
01:05:57,199 --> 01:05:57,559
Speaker 4: We killed?

971
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: Okay, we killed an eighty seven year old man with

972
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,159
prostate cancer. Yeah, okay, you probably didn't need a drone

973
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:06,239
to do that. You could have just waited, to be

974
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,400
blunt about it. And so that goal of Greater Israel.

975
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:14,559
It seems to me to be impossible. Israel's in my mind,

976
01:06:14,639 --> 01:06:19,000
a very bad strategic situation. Their domestic political situation seems

977
01:06:19,039 --> 01:06:21,840
to be chaotic. You saw the same footage I did

978
01:06:22,199 --> 01:06:25,559
of you know, crowds in the street upset about Netanyahu.

979
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 4: Tel Aviv's getting pounded. They are censoring, they're censoring the deal.

980
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,039
But I mean, you can find the you know, a

981
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,320
lot of Ai. But but anyway, keep going.

982
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,719
Speaker 3: Sorry, well exactly, and if you look at what happened

983
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,639
in you know, Operation Midnight Hammer, the Twelve Day War,

984
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,880
seemingly Israel got cold feet. They didn't like how hard

985
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,800
they were getting hit. And one other thing we need

986
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:55,840
to keep in mind, Iran has not maximally escalated this war.

987
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,000
There are targets they have not hit, whether it's the

988
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:05,000
desalinization plant, whether it's you know, Israeli nuclear facilities, oh.

989
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 4: Symbolic stuff. They could hit Holocaust, Holocaust Center, they could

990
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,440
hit the Knesse, they could.

991
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 6: Hit uh, they could hit the uh uh, the the.

992
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:24,559
Speaker 4: Where they could hit. They could hit the city of David.

993
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:29,639
There's a lot of there's why there They're not going

994
01:07:29,719 --> 01:07:31,800
to hit the whaling Wall because I don't think there.

995
01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:37,639
I don't think they're uh there. Uh. Their targeting error

996
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,599
is tight enough to hit the wall and not accidentally

997
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:45,320
hit dome of the rock. So that's not gonna happen. Okay,

998
01:07:46,519 --> 01:07:50,199
target is pretty good now with their drones. They could

999
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,119
but their drones don't carry enough punch to bring down

1000
01:07:53,159 --> 01:07:57,719
the and that's another topic for another day. But but uh,

1001
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:02,199
but they could absolutely hit at the Kannesse, the decel plants.

1002
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:07,079
They could hit h the Holocaust Center, that is, as

1003
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:10,559
you know, kind of a religious deal. They could hit

1004
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,719
the Mount of Olives, which which is covered with the

1005
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,800
Jewish Elite's Jewish Elite dead. You know, it's a massive cemetery.

1006
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,920
If you've ever been there, it's it's actually quite beauty.

1007
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:29,159
I mean, if you're a Christian, Jerusalem is is phenomenal

1008
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:30,520
to visit just to see.

1009
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:32,960
Speaker 3: We'll take your word for it, Ron, because I don't

1010
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,199
have an an overly inflated view of my importance. But

1011
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,920
also if I did get black bagged, I think the

1012
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,720
general consensus would be you were kind of asking for it.

1013
01:08:43,239 --> 01:08:44,840
I may, I may scratch.

1014
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:51,000
Speaker 4: It's amazing, I would you know, just objectively, as a Christian,

1015
01:08:51,159 --> 01:08:54,319
it's amazing. I mean going and seeing the siege wall,

1016
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,399
their siege ramp at Masada that was built by the

1017
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:03,439
Romans in eighty seventy starting in late seventy seventy one

1018
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:12,399
and is still there. There's amazing. You know, the caves

1019
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,920
at Cuamorum where we get you know, anyway, I could

1020
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:19,079
go on and on, I hate, but you're right. Israel

1021
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:24,079
Iran could go, could go ham on all that, on

1022
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:30,479
every one of those things I just mentioned, but they

1023
01:09:31,239 --> 01:09:33,880
don't have to because all they have to do. Look,

1024
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:37,520
here's the wind conditions for the US. It's going to

1025
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:41,239
be at least this no more missiles are flying at

1026
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:46,880
forget just Israel, at our at our Arab coalition states.

1027
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:53,239
I mean, do you know what they're in Bahrain and

1028
01:09:53,319 --> 01:09:57,199
Abu Dhabi and so on and so forth, these places

1029
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:00,000
that live off to a large degree oil, but also

1030
01:10:00,119 --> 01:10:04,960
so tourism. How many tours are going to be visiting

1031
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,920
those places until this is sealed and done. So we've

1032
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:12,159
broken this is pottery barn. We have gone in with

1033
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:16,279
a nine iron and taken it to all the furniture

1034
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,239
and everything hanging on the walls.

1035
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,199
Speaker 3: Well, and one of the things that I can't stop

1036
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:25,199
thinking about is the damage to the Golf States, both

1037
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,560
in our relationship with the Golf States, but also the

1038
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:33,880
international relationship or sorry, reputation, rather of a place like Dubai, who,

1039
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:36,359
at least according to the Daily Mail, which I realize

1040
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:39,479
is not you know, the paper of record, but you

1041
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:42,479
know they do report things from time to time. They

1042
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:43,640
are charging.

1043
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:48,239
Speaker 4: Dubai is what is what London used to be? You

1044
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:51,840
go over there and that that's oh yeah, it's it's

1045
01:10:52,359 --> 01:10:58,760
English spoken, elite kind of deal, and they are freaking out.

1046
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,319
This is not it's yea plant run what's that?

1047
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 3: To that point, Roun, they've arrested and charged a sixty

1048
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:11,079
year old man from Britain or filming the missile strikes,

1049
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:15,159
which one indicates they're freaking out. And two, if you

1050
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:17,760
know anything about the sort of people who go to Dubai,

1051
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:21,479
they basically go there because it's like, to your point,

1052
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,560
what London used to be. It is a place for

1053
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:25,479
rich people to hang out. And if all of a

1054
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,359
sudden you're not only getting hit with missiles, that becomes

1055
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,079
less fun. Singapore starts to look a lot more attractive.

1056
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,720
And two, if you're the all of a sudden getting

1057
01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:38,000
black bagged and thrown in a you know, a prison

1058
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:41,760
that I imagine is not particularly pleasant. That sends a

1059
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,840
message that this is not the safe playground of the wealthy.

1060
01:11:46,319 --> 01:11:48,319
It has becomes.

1061
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:53,079
Speaker 4: Expat rich xpac community. It's what Hong Kong was before

1062
01:11:53,159 --> 01:12:00,159
ninety seven that went away Macal which went away. Singapore

1063
01:12:00,239 --> 01:12:06,399
is to a certain degree. Uh, I love Singapore. Singapore

1064
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,800
is in a is is in a real demographic shredder

1065
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:13,760
right now. So uh uh we need to pray for

1066
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:19,039
the land of uh of uh Lee Kwan Yu. But

1067
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:24,720
but these places are slowly but surely, these these these

1068
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:29,880
uh cities of refuge to borrow a levitical term, are

1069
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:35,239
are going away and uh and we're helping. And that's

1070
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,039
that's a canary that is uh looking a little uh

1071
01:12:40,399 --> 01:12:43,720
that's in the mind and not looking real good. You know,

1072
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:47,079
that's a warning sign again if we're gonna be a

1073
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:51,479
civilizational bulwark and if we're the champions of the West,

1074
01:12:52,039 --> 01:12:54,399
and right now it's not looking like we are. The

1075
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,680
last thing and then I think we both probably got

1076
01:12:56,800 --> 01:13:01,039
to go. Is what does this do to Jordan? Jordan

1077
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:07,800
has been our most loyal ally. They do everything for us.

1078
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:11,920
They'll host that they they will put up with whatever

1079
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,079
and have been friends, and we are you know, what

1080
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:18,960
are we doing with those guys if we're if we're

1081
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,399
giving the signs that we're kind of on board with

1082
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:25,880
a greater Israel idea, because guess what's right in the

1083
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,960
They're not stopping at the West Bank, They're not stopping

1084
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:32,800
at a mind, They're going all the way to the

1085
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:40,119
northern half of our northern third of Saudi. So what

1086
01:13:40,159 --> 01:13:42,880
do we tell what are we saying to your point,

1087
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,600
to our to our golf allies, our Arab and I'm

1088
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,399
talking real allies, guys who have stood with us. You

1089
01:13:50,399 --> 01:13:53,279
know what should we be able to say, Hey, look,

1090
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:55,399
we're just gonna let that whole part of the world

1091
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,279
go away. But you can't because the safety of the

1092
01:13:58,279 --> 01:14:02,079
world depends on mutually assured destruction. And all it takes

1093
01:14:02,199 --> 01:14:07,680
is the one the one group over there that has

1094
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:12,680
the bomb is the one that I'm least confident in

1095
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,760
and keeping it in their pants. And so we're we're

1096
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,399
they've got us by the short hairs, and we have

1097
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,399
to find a way out. And this all goes to

1098
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,880
Israel's got to decide whether it wants to be part

1099
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:28,680
of the West or part of the East. I think ultimately,

1100
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:31,760
if they keep going down this road, they abandon us.

1101
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:36,079
I mean, because we're gonna ultimately, democratically, we're gonna aband

1102
01:14:36,399 --> 01:14:39,920
We're if zoomers start voting, this is going to be

1103
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:43,840
you know, President Newsom or President whoever is going to

1104
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:47,720
be like, screw this, there's we aren't playing this game,

1105
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,439
and they're gonna have to pivot east.

1106
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:56,159
Speaker 3: Well to the point of what is that are they Well,

1107
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:58,560
I shouldn't say that. I have no commentary on that,

1108
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,920
but I mean, I think it would be somewhat difficult

1109
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,680
to tell. You know, King Abdullah the second. Yeah, I

1110
01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,880
know that seems scary, but have you considered the fact

1111
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,000
that you're a Nazi? That's why you don't like this? Again,

1112
01:15:11,039 --> 01:15:15,920
it's absurd, It's patently absurd. Yeah, And that's again why

1113
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,680
I just want to reiterate, this war needs to end.

1114
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,520
Much damage has already been done. It can be smoothed

1115
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,520
over ultimately, but if this continues, we are going to

1116
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:31,000
start losing things, whether that is people, whether that is allies,

1117
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:34,720
whether that is global shipping, and for what for the

1118
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:42,760
insane jinguistic ambitions of a certain Middle Eastern democracy is

1119
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,520
that the point of America is that what we are

1120
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,039
spending all of this capital to do, alienating our friends abroad,

1121
01:15:49,319 --> 01:15:55,039
alienating our domestic voters right from the political class. Are

1122
01:15:55,079 --> 01:15:58,439
we going to spend all of that for this pipe dream?

1123
01:15:59,399 --> 01:16:02,439
Sincerely hope not, But Ron, we are over time, this

1124
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,239
has been a great conversation. Where can people find you?

1125
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,720
Speaker 4: All right? For the American Mind, which is a publication

1126
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:14,039
of the Claremont Institute, a right occasionally for responsible stake craft,

1127
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,560
all right, for American Reformer. And then I have a

1128
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:23,079
substack that I'm actually have gotten very active on that.

1129
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,880
And then I'm on x and you can find me

1130
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,439
at Ron Dodson. And you know, probably something I'll say

1131
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:36,680
that will hopefully make you happy but occasionally make you mad.

1132
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,319
That means I'm I'm just trying to think through these

1133
01:16:39,359 --> 01:16:40,359
things like we all are.

1134
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,159
Speaker 3: As far as my stuff The Jay Burden Show Apple,

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Spotify YouTube, I'd imagine this is going out to some

1136
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new people. The last episode with Fears and Darryl went

1137
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by the standards of substack quite viral. So, like I said,

1138
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You can do so on Patreon, substack, or gum Road.

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1142
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1143
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a little quality of life thing for people who support me.

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If you're interested in my writing, you can find it

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1149
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I've as I've been writing more elsewhere, I've been doing

1150
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so less on my own personal substack, but still you

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really great episode. Man and everyone at home, keep your

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head up. I can't last forever. Good night.