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<v Speaker 1>Hello, I'm Danielle and I'm Megan, and welcome to our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast Off the Trails, where we'll be sharing stories of

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<v Speaker 1>mystery and missus venture that all take place in the outdoors.

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<v Speaker 2>And this week we'll be Danielle's turn to share a

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<v Speaker 2>story with us. All Right, how are you today? I've

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<v Speaker 2>been better. It's been a week. It has been a week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So for our listeners, we started off our Monday strong

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<v Speaker 2>by Andrew getting in a very bad car accident on

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<v Speaker 2>his way to work. So luckily he's okay. The truck

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<v Speaker 2>is not, but that doesn't matter because he's here and

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the most important thing. But it definitely has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of turned everything upside down. My nerves are still shot.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got some crazy emotions happening. So that's that's this week.

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<v Speaker 2>How's yours? I mean, my week started out with your week?

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<v Speaker 2>I just it?

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<v Speaker 3>Did I just get the text message that you were,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, getting in the car and about to drive

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<v Speaker 3>two hours because Andrew was in an accident. And then

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<v Speaker 3>of course I had to drive in that terrible rain

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<v Speaker 3>on my ride to work, and my vehicle started a

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<v Speaker 3>hydroplane and like, don't break, don't do anything, And then

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<v Speaker 3>I spent the first like two hours of my day

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<v Speaker 3>literally just checking your location every five because I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I need to know that you made it to wherever

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<v Speaker 3>he was. And then I was gonna be like, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>at least she's there. I can stop worrying about that

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<v Speaker 3>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>As infuriated with the Boston traffic, as I was just

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<v Speaker 2>watching my little dot not move.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I was like, is this not updating? Or is

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<v Speaker 3>she just sitting here still?

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<v Speaker 2>And oh, I was just sitting there, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>can do August two hour drive to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 3>I continued to creep your location later because then I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, I didn't want to be texting you like

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<v Speaker 3>for updates when I didn't know If you knew how

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<v Speaker 3>he was, would I want to be like ask all

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<v Speaker 3>these questions and you'd be like, I don't know. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I will just be patient, but I

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<v Speaker 3>will continue to check her location to see when they

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<v Speaker 3>leave the hospital, because you know, that would be a

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<v Speaker 3>good indicator that you know he was okay, because I

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<v Speaker 3>knew you wouldn't leave without him.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I was like, what are they doing on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of the road.

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<v Speaker 3>In Lakeville And a few minutes later, I'm like, now

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<v Speaker 3>they're on the other side of this same part of

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<v Speaker 3>the road, in the same place.

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<v Speaker 2>What are they doing?

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<v Speaker 3>So you're in route back at north. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, I'll just wait till after the workday to

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<v Speaker 3>get updates.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a nice little intermission to try and locate

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<v Speaker 2>his phone and wallet and everything that came out of

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<v Speaker 2>a truck. So after we left the place that it

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<v Speaker 2>was towed to, we looked in. There was really not

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot left in there, so we tried to

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<v Speaker 2>find it based on the location of his phone, and

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<v Speaker 2>we could not find it. We kept going back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth on that highway and could not find it. So

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<v Speaker 2>his new phone came in today, luckily enough. All Right,

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<v Speaker 2>things are moving along.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna say, like getting better, but I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, it's been a week.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week I felt very scattered, like I got nothing

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<v Speaker 3>accomplished workwise. I felt like I got nothing accomplished home,

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<v Speaker 3>and then yesterday I was like, all right, I feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>And then today, as I was leaving the office, I

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<v Speaker 3>told my boss that I hated everyone, and everyone pissed

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<v Speaker 3>me off today.

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<v Speaker 2>So Wednesday, happy Wednesday.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy Wednesday. I have no tolerance for anyone. Apparently got

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<v Speaker 3>a couple more days to hold it together. So but

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's been a very long time since

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<v Speaker 3>we recorded.

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<v Speaker 2>It feels like forever, but it's been two weeks, but

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<v Speaker 2>it does feel like much longer. And we do apologize

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<v Speaker 2>for skipping last week.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, I had like a scratchy throat last week,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, all right, like maybe like a

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<v Speaker 3>day or two it'll be better, and then it actually

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<v Speaker 3>got worse, and then we rolled into this week and

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<v Speaker 3>with chaos. So here we are, all right. So before

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<v Speaker 3>I get into my story, I would like to talk

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit about the Appalachian Trail, Oh, my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>so I have also I mean, obviously I lived in

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<v Speaker 3>New England. People always refer to it here as the

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<v Speaker 3>Appalation Trail, but I've also heard a lot of videos

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<v Speaker 3>or people referring to it as the Appalachian Trail.

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<v Speaker 2>Proper pronunciation. I don't know, because I googled pronunciation as

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<v Speaker 2>one does, and the Google lady told me Appalation. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the region is like Appalachia, right, so right that Appalachian

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<v Speaker 2>Mountains is more What word am I looking for?

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, yes exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>So I will just be using the New England pronunciation.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, and it may be wrong, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be right, or you could just be neutral

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<v Speaker 2>and just you know, to be diplomatic. I will be

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<v Speaker 2>referring to it from here on out as the AT.

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<v Speaker 3>In my writing, it all says the AT. But when

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<v Speaker 3>I like pre read out loud to myself, I kept

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to say ET. I'm like, I'm going to screw

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<v Speaker 3>this up. So if I say ET, I actually hate ET.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I was never a huge fan of that.

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<v Speaker 3>That move creeps me out. Even as an adult. I

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<v Speaker 3>see ET and I'm like, no, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a weird one. Okay, buckle up.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to talk about the Appellation Trail before.

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<v Speaker 2>I get into my store.

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<v Speaker 3>The Appilation Trail is over twenty one hundred miles long,

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<v Speaker 3>running through fourteen states from Georgia to Maine. The length

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<v Speaker 3>of the trail is now managed by the AT Conservancy,

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<v Speaker 3>National Park Service, US Forest Service, plus many more agencies

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<v Speaker 3>and organizations, but originally it was started by private citizens.

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<v Speaker 3>Going back to nineteen twenty one. There are a variety

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<v Speaker 3>clubs that help maintain portions of the trail along with

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<v Speaker 3>the help of volunteers. So not only does a ton

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<v Speaker 3>of work go into hiking the Appllation Trail, but there's

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<v Speaker 3>an endless amount of work that goes into keeping the

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<v Speaker 3>trail well maintained, safe, and accessible. According to the National

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<v Speaker 3>Park Service website, there are thirty one trail maintaining clubs

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<v Speaker 3>dedicated to keeping the at in its best condition. So

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<v Speaker 3>when talking about huge hiking trails like the Appalation Trail,

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<v Speaker 3>the Pacific Crest Trail, or the Continental Divide Trail, usually

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<v Speaker 3>hear people either section hiking or through hiking. Section hiking

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<v Speaker 3>is pretty straightforward. Someone hikes sections of the larger trail

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<v Speaker 3>over time, and they might complete the trail over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of several hiking seasons or maybe even over our lifetime.

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<v Speaker 3>Through hiking also sounds straightforward, hiking end to end in

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<v Speaker 3>a single trip, but some hikers also do what's called

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<v Speaker 3>a flip flop hike. Instead of starting for this example,

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<v Speaker 3>the Appalation Trail, instead of starting in Georgia and head

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<v Speaker 3>a north to Maine or vice versa, people start somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle, hike to one end, and then head

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<v Speaker 3>back to where they started. I guess by plane and

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<v Speaker 3>then hike the opposite direction to complete the full trail.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's weird way to do it, but.

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<v Speaker 3>It's still considered through hiking if you do it all

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<v Speaker 3>in one trip, I guess. So benefits of the flip

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<v Speaker 3>flop hike can be hitting areas when the weather might

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<v Speaker 3>be more mild, as well as missing out on some

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<v Speaker 3>of the crowds in the beginning of the season because

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<v Speaker 3>most people do start.

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<v Speaker 2>At one end or the other.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I think it's probably kind of like the gym

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<v Speaker 3>in January. You get in there January second and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is just like packed.

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<v Speaker 3>But by the time you get to February, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there's not quite so many people. You know, you get

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<v Speaker 3>a couple of states in and it's like, well, everybody

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<v Speaker 3>else is kind of dropped off.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good analogy.

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<v Speaker 3>Because thousands of people attempt to hike the Appolation Trail

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<v Speaker 3>every year, but only about twenty five percent succeed, which

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<v Speaker 3>might be still a better rate than people that are

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<v Speaker 3>still going to the dinner at the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably, so typically it takes people five to seven months

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<v Speaker 3>to do the entire eighty some people who are apparently

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<v Speaker 3>superhuman fast hikers have done it in less than fifty days.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about that on our hike on Saturday, like,

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<v Speaker 2>how do you as a human just through hike the

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<v Speaker 2>eight And I think, what is it? Like forty five days?

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<v Speaker 2>I think, I tell the record's like forty three days.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty three Oh my god, Like that's incredible. To be honest,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it has taken me longer to like fully

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<v Speaker 2>put away a load of laundry on occasion, like forty

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<v Speaker 2>three days.

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<v Speaker 3>That's amazing to do twenty one undred, oh almost twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred miles.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I don't I can't even fathom that.

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<v Speaker 3>No, So seriously, good on those people. If you're one

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<v Speaker 3>of those people, I'm beyond impressed, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 3>There have been about one hundred recorded deaths since the

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<v Speaker 3>completion of the trail in nineteen thirty seven, which is

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<v Speaker 3>actually a low number when you consider the popularity, distance

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<v Speaker 3>and the amount of time it takes to hike the

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<v Speaker 3>whole length, I mean, plus the terrain it's very rough

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<v Speaker 3>in some areas. So only one hundred deaths, that's really

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<v Speaker 3>not not that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And.

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<v Speaker 3>I will revisit this at some point. But some of

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<v Speaker 3>those one hundred recorded deaths were were homicides.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe.

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<v Speaker 3>I really did well keeping myself focused, but I did

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<v Speaker 3>see that there were some homicides. I believe in the

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<v Speaker 3>seventies there was like a serial killer down south along

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<v Speaker 3>the trail, and I was like, no, stay focused on

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<v Speaker 3>what you're researching today.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't get distracted.

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<v Speaker 3>So at some point I will revisit that, and we

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<v Speaker 3>cannot discuss some of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are three kind of more recent and probably

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<v Speaker 2>on the more prominent side of some of those deaths,

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<v Speaker 2>more specifically homicides on the trail that I actually have

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<v Speaker 2>in the queue. Oh and coincidentally enough, my story next

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<v Speaker 2>week is one of them. Oh, how did did we

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<v Speaker 2>did not know that? We? We did not know this?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so we're on the same brain path. Yes, okay, So,

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<v Speaker 3>according to the National Park Service, an average year sees

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<v Speaker 3>two to three hikers go missing along the Applation Trail,

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<v Speaker 3>and deciding to hike the Applation Trail end to end

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<v Speaker 3>is a huge commitment. Beyond the physical effort, it takes

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<v Speaker 3>typically at least half a year of someone's time, and

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<v Speaker 3>I read it costs most hikers between five and seven

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<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars in equipment supplies like those rest or zero

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<v Speaker 3>days you know in towns along the trail. So from

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<v Speaker 3>like a research perspective, I definitely feel like people don't

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<v Speaker 3>go into a hike of this magnitude lightly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think people go into it half hearted. So

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<v Speaker 3>that brings us to today's story, who is it so?

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<v Speaker 3>Missing hiker Geraldine Largae caught national attention in July of

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<v Speaker 3>twenty thirteen while hiking the Appalation Trail in the remote

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<v Speaker 3>wilderness of Maine. Jerry, as her friends and family called her,

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<v Speaker 3>was a retired Air Force nurse and she had a

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<v Speaker 3>dream of hiking the Appollation Trail. In twenty thirteen, she

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<v Speaker 3>was making that dream come true. She had taken a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of practice hikes in her home state of Tennessee,

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<v Speaker 3>as well as some actually like some hiking courses prior

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<v Speaker 3>to embarking on this big hike. So I definitely feel

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<v Speaker 3>like she had done she had put in the work.

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<v Speaker 3>She knew what she was getting into. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>she had any like false expectations that it was going

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<v Speaker 2>I think she knew what she was doing. It sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like she trained for it, she did her research, she

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<v Speaker 2>was taking it seriously, so it wasn't like a spontaneous

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So Jerry took the adorable trail name inch Rom

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<v Speaker 3>because although she may have been slow, she was moving along.

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<v Speaker 2>So I did mention she was retired. I believe she

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<v Speaker 2>was sixty six at the time she started. Wow, I

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<v Speaker 2>love I love hearing those stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Me too, And honestly, if I ever have six months

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<v Speaker 3>to go hike, it's not going to be until I

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<v Speaker 3>don't have like a regular job. So right, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>right now, I have a job that I have to

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<v Speaker 3>go to in person and a kid who's got to

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<v Speaker 3>go to school, and I'm totally out of shape. But

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<v Speaker 3>maybe in forty years I'll be like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>now it's the time I'm going to hike.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's inspiring because age has such a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>stigma attached to it, especially aging, and so when you

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<v Speaker 2>see these people kind of breaking those stereotypes, it's really

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<v Speaker 2>cool to see and it is it's I'm sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>empowering for them, but it's really nice to see that

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<v Speaker 2>as someone who's in who's part of the society that

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<v Speaker 2>less and less as you age, and you're capable of

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<v Speaker 3>And I think we had talked a couple weeks ago

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<v Speaker 3>about the guy in his nineties who hiked me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah Dome, and I saw the video. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>shared the video. Actually, he is so cute. He was

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<v Speaker 2>like not winded at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I go up the I go up the stairs

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<v Speaker 3>going to my desk at my work, and I'm like, who,

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<v Speaker 3>I need a second before anybody talks to me, because

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<v Speaker 3>I could be like in cardiac arrests in a second.

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<v Speaker 3>This ninety year old guy is just cruising up there.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, good for him.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. I was winded a few times on Mount Major,

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<v Speaker 2>which is like a very family friendly mountain, and a

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<v Speaker 2>few times I'm like, well, not a second, guys, let

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<v Speaker 2>me catch my breath. No, you were just appreciating the view. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Jerry's husband George was quoted as saying, hiking the

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<v Speaker 3>Appalation trail and sleeping in tents and wearing the same

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<v Speaker 3>stuff three or four days in the rain not on

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<v Speaker 3>my bucket list. But she needed to be supported on

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<v Speaker 3>the hike because she has limits on what she could carry.

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<v Speaker 3>So I simply had to say, Okay, suck it up.

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<v Speaker 3>What's six months in the grand scheme of things. So

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<v Speaker 3>I did it, And I love that attitude. He was like,

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<v Speaker 3>that is not for me. I don't want to hike.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not about that, but you do, so I will

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<v Speaker 3>support you even though it sounds terrible and I don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like, it's not my dream, it's your dream.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to support your dream. That's part of being

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<v Speaker 2>your partner, and so I'm your hype man. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>So because George was not about the hike, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>hiking the whole trail with her, but he would hike

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<v Speaker 3>like a portion of the trail with his wife and

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<v Speaker 3>then double back to the car and drive ahead to

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<v Speaker 3>feed her further along. So I think typically he would

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<v Speaker 3>walk like hike like a mile or so, and then

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<v Speaker 3>hike back and you know, meet her up ahead, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's you know, later that day or a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like they had a good little system in place. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And because he was playing the support role with the

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<v Speaker 3>supplies and all that, he was given the honorary trail

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<v Speaker 3>name of Sherpa, which is a wik cute that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great in Schwarm and Sherpa. I love that.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jerry had started her hike in April and just

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<v Speaker 3>over three months later would be the last time she

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<v Speaker 3>would be seen. She did have a friend, Jane Lee,

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<v Speaker 3>who had started out the hike with her, but at

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<v Speaker 3>some point I'm not really sure when. Jane had a

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<v Speaker 3>personal or family emergency so she had to return home,

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<v Speaker 3>but Jerry continued on on her own.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Jerry start in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>I think she was doing the flip flop high.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, she did the flip flop, So she started somewhere midway.

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<v Speaker 2>That would make more sense because I'm just following the

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<v Speaker 2>timeline that you're saying. And if she started her hike

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<v Speaker 2>and three months later the last time she was seen

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<v Speaker 2>alive and she and you said earlier, it was in Maine,

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<v Speaker 2>so like three months. I mean, if she's a powerhouse

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<v Speaker 2>and going from Georgia to Maine in three months, right,

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<v Speaker 2>good honor.

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<v Speaker 3>But Traili Chetah, not in that way exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that makes sense. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So I'm not sure there's there's a few different

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<v Speaker 3>flop hike. Not everybody starts like directly in the middle, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but there's like a couple options to break it up eventually.

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<v Speaker 3>Jerry was hiking a stretch of trail that would require

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<v Speaker 3>her to spend several nights along the trail, and she

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<v Speaker 3>was expecting to meet up with George on July twenty third.

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<v Speaker 3>She was last seen by other hikers the previous day,

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<v Speaker 3>spending the night at the Poplar Ridge lean To, which

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<v Speaker 3>is about twenty two miles from where she planned to

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<v Speaker 3>meet George. So the couple stayed in touch as much

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<v Speaker 3>as self service allowed, but there's definitely sections where self

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<v Speaker 3>service is poor, if not nonexistent. So when Jerry didn't

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<v Speaker 3>arrive at their meeting spot on the twenty third, George

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<v Speaker 3>really wasn't too concerned. He thought Jerry was just living

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<v Speaker 3>up to her Inchirm name and was running a little behind,

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<v Speaker 3>and with the terrain as tough as it is, that

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<v Speaker 3>area can definitely be slow going, so really not out

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<v Speaker 3>of the ordinary that she was running a few hours

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<v Speaker 3>or even a day behind. On the twenty fourth, however,

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<v Speaker 3>he did become concerned. He started asking any passing hikers

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<v Speaker 3>if they'd seen her along their route in the past

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<v Speaker 3>couple days, and no one had, so he did contact

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<v Speaker 3>authorities to report her missing, and really it sounds like

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<v Speaker 3>no time was wasted getting the official search going. The

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<v Speaker 3>main Wordance Service, state police, border patrol agents, national park rangers,

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<v Speaker 3>and local residents turned out to help search. In addition

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<v Speaker 3>to all those people, the Navy has a training facility

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<v Speaker 3>very close to where it was suspected that Jerry had

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<v Speaker 3>gotten lost, so Navy personnel were also on site to

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Did also bring in search jobs and aircraft to assist

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<v Speaker 3>as well, and it really does everything I read. It

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<v Speaker 3>sounds like they sprang into action very quickly and did

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<v Speaker 3>what they could. They did eventually do some of the

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<v Speaker 3>normal missing persons like inquiries with the family, as far

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<v Speaker 3>as like Jerry and George's relationship, Would there be any

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<v Speaker 3>reason that Jerry would choose to disappear, you know, questions

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<v Speaker 3>of those nature, which you know, I think we know

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<v Speaker 3>are normal in a missing person's case, right, But those

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<v Speaker 3>types of questions came in in the coming days where

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<v Speaker 3>they weren't finding her where they expected to I think

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<v Speaker 3>that's when they were kind of like, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 3>rule out anything else being at play here, but they

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<v Speaker 3>definitely start searching for her immediately. So people get lost

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<v Speaker 3>all the time along the trail, and with any type

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<v Speaker 3>of missing person in the woods, typically people are found

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<v Speaker 3>within hours, and almost always people are found within twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four hours, So multiday searches for people are really pretty rare.

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<v Speaker 3>Especially for an average adult, they're found within hours. Young

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<v Speaker 3>kids or someone with a mental health condition, those searches

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<v Speaker 3>might go on a little bit longer because they might

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<v Speaker 3>hide out of confusion, or you know, sometimes kids think

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to get in trouble, so you know, instead

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<v Speaker 3>of being like, oh, I'm here, they're afore they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get in trouble and hide. So, you know, for

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<v Speaker 3>a typical adult, though, rescue or.

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking for rescuers just as much as rescuers are

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<v Speaker 2>looking for them, so hopefully they link up a little

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<v Speaker 2>quicker exactly. Yep.

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<v Speaker 3>Searchers also had a decent idea of where to start looking,

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<v Speaker 3>since George knew where he had last left her and

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<v Speaker 3>when and where she was supposed to meet up with him,

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<v Speaker 3>so at least they could have like narrowed down their

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<v Speaker 3>search criteria. They were also able to get what is

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<v Speaker 3>called and I'm not sure if it's called an exigent

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<v Speaker 3>warrant or an exigent order, and again it might vary

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<v Speaker 3>between different states, but basically, like the exigen order, they

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<v Speaker 3>were able to get her cell phone data. Usually obtaining

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<v Speaker 3>someone's cell phone data is a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 3>a process, but in this situation it can literally mean

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<v Speaker 3>life or death's death for somebody who's missing, So they

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<v Speaker 3>were able to get her cell phone data a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit quicker with then in other situations, which helped create

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<v Speaker 3>that area to focus on, they were able to find

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<v Speaker 3>out where her phone last pinged at least even though

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<v Speaker 3>there was no service in that area. So heavy rains

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<v Speaker 3>hit which made it difficult for the search dogs to

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<v Speaker 3>tract scent also could have obscured any other like physical

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<v Speaker 3>potential clues if there were any, And overall, it just

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<v Speaker 3>made it difficult for the searchers to be out in

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<v Speaker 3>the terrain in the woods with torrential downpours. Missing posters

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<v Speaker 3>were hung, hikers were interviewed, and all tips were followed

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<v Speaker 3>up on, and they searched for days. After twelve days

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<v Speaker 3>of intense searches. Both authorities and her family knew they

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<v Speaker 3>had scoured so much area. Smaller searches continued, but to

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<v Speaker 3>no avail. Months later, another search, this time purely just

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<v Speaker 3>a recovery search, was done and they found nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Another recover research was done, I believe almost a year later,

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<v Speaker 3>coming up on the anniversary of her disappearance, was done

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<v Speaker 3>again just hoping to you know, bring closure to the family,

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<v Speaker 3>just to know what happened. So you know, even though

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<v Speaker 3>even by the time they had passed with the reusshold

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<v Speaker 3>where you know, they thought that she was potentially alive,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't give up.

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<v Speaker 2>They kept looking. That's so sad, Like could you imagine

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<v Speaker 2>like you're hiking with her and you say, okay, meet

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<v Speaker 2>you at the next checkpoint, and you never see her again.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was supposed to be so routine with what

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<v Speaker 2>you guys were doing, and everything was going fine, and

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<v Speaker 2>then she just goes missing. And I cannot imagine how

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<v Speaker 2>her husband must have felt. And then on top of that,

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<v Speaker 2>then her family and her friends and heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 3>So tips continued to be called in from like all

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<v Speaker 3>over the country, and authorities checked into them. Lots of

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<v Speaker 3>This is a mistaken identity unfortunately, but police and the

427
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 3>Warden Service they followed up on these things, which again

428
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:11.759
<v Speaker 3>I think just really shows everyone's commitment to finding out

429
00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:14.160
<v Speaker 3>what happened, even if there was like far fetched. They're like,

430
00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 3>you know what, let's just run down this lead. If

431
00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:20.039
<v Speaker 3>it's nothing, it's nothing. M They even had several tips

432
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 3>called in for people claiming to be psychics, which were

433
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:28.920
<v Speaker 3>wildly unhelpful. And I'm not saying that there aren't potential

434
00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:31.759
<v Speaker 3>true psychics out there, it's actually you and I have

435
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:35.200
<v Speaker 3>a cool story that maybe someday will figure out how to.

436
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:39.160
<v Speaker 2>How to incorporate into this how to share with the listeners.

437
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:43.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah that involves a psychic or a medium. That's a

438
00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:44.400
<v Speaker 3>pretty good story.

439
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:48.319
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that was pretty crazy. Give pictures someone going

440
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:54.799
<v Speaker 2>out there and be like I'm sensing Greece, yeah you do,

441
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:59.160
<v Speaker 2>or sensing trees, and that was they'd go missing while

442
00:24:59.200 --> 00:24:59.759
<v Speaker 2>she's hyking.

443
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:03.519
<v Speaker 3>That was a lot of they're like she's near a

444
00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:05.440
<v Speaker 3>tree or eboulder, and it's like.

445
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, thank you.

446
00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.920
<v Speaker 3>So you know, these people just call in trash information

447
00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.839
<v Speaker 3>mm hmm. Really is just like so disappointing because it's

448
00:25:16.880 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 3>wasting money, wasting energy, wasting resources that could be used elsewhere.

449
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 3>As time passed, rumors and conspiracy.

450
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Theories popped up. As they do.

451
00:25:28.920 --> 00:25:32.000
<v Speaker 3>A big theory had to do with that Navy training facility.

452
00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.960
<v Speaker 3>The Navy uses that area for its survival, evasion, resistance,

453
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and escape program. They utilize the extreme remoteness and difficult

454
00:25:43.079 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 3>terrain to simulate being lost or trapped in the wilderness,

455
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 3>presumably behind enemy lines, and doing all those things in

456
00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:56.160
<v Speaker 3>the program's name survive, evade, resist, an escape.

457
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean, pretty straightforward. I guess a little

458
00:25:59.160 --> 00:25:59.920
<v Speaker 2>bit of sear training.

459
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 3>Yes, So the theories were obviously baseless, but they all evolved.

460
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.440
<v Speaker 3>You know, the idea that the military was doing some shady,

461
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:13.480
<v Speaker 3>top secret stuff out there and that Jerry.

462
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh, they just took this elderly woman and we're life.

463
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>You're perfect for our training program. You're an enemy now.

464
00:26:21.079 --> 00:26:24.400
<v Speaker 2>So you know they were doing something, and you know,

465
00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:28.839
<v Speaker 2>Jerry was just casualty for one reason or another, accidentally

466
00:26:28.920 --> 00:26:30.240
<v Speaker 2>take her out while they're like.

467
00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:38.079
<v Speaker 3>And it's interesting because where the property line is versus

468
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.440
<v Speaker 3>like where the trail is. I'm sure other people have

469
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.480
<v Speaker 3>like Inn Burtonley like wandered that right, and it doesn't.

470
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:51.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it sounds like, you know, the Navy keeps

471
00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:53.519
<v Speaker 3>an eye on what's going on in the property, but

472
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:58.400
<v Speaker 3>it's not like fenced off or patrolled or you know,

473
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:01.799
<v Speaker 3>it's not it's not Area fifty one as far as

474
00:27:01.799 --> 00:27:02.799
<v Speaker 3>security goes.

475
00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like you said, they probably do come across some

476
00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>people who have gone off trail a bit, and if anything,

477
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 2>it helps because then they can help guide them back

478
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to where they're supposed to be. I can't imagine they

479
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.960
<v Speaker 2>just I'm not trying to laugh because this is terrible

480
00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that she went missing, but this idea that he's just

481
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>got taken out by this Navy training program, like they're

482
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 2>going to do something to this to this woman who's

483
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 2>just hiking and she can communicate and she'd probably say, hey,

484
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm lost. I'm supposed to be on the at right now. Right.

485
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 2>She was also a previously an.

486
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:53.559
<v Speaker 3>Air Force nurse, so she was a veteran. So you know,

487
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 3>I guess that doesn't exclude her from you know, top

488
00:27:57.119 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 3>secret murder plots. I guess, but you know, personally I

489
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:09.480
<v Speaker 3>ruled out that theory pretty much. Other rumors included George

490
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Uh killing her. That's rude, It is rude. But again

491
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 3>authorities had ruled him out really very quickly. They did,

492
00:28:19.720 --> 00:28:23.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, look into that, but they were like, it's

493
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 3>it's baseless. Another rumor that circulated and.

494
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Still seems to.

495
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:35.039
<v Speaker 3>Circulate a bit even now we know sort of what happened.

496
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 3>People really got caught up on some of the medications

497
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.559
<v Speaker 3>she was taking, and.

498
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.119
<v Speaker 2>They really just like.

499
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.480
<v Speaker 3>Fixated on that's the reason she got lost, that the

500
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 3>medication was somehow a contributing factor.

501
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 2>But authorities happened to know what kind of medication she

502
00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:56.759
<v Speaker 2>was on.

503
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:03.559
<v Speaker 3>I believe it was uh ol praslam. So if it

504
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:05.759
<v Speaker 3>was not autroprisaline, which I believe it was, it's somebody

505
00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 3>that's commonly prescribed for anxiety or trouble sleeping.

506
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 2>So it's okay.

507
00:29:11.640 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 3>It is something that's very commonly prescribed and utilized without

508
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, typically scary side effects. It wasn't a new

509
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 3>medication for her and her authorities contacted her doctor and

510
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:30.000
<v Speaker 3>they were like, no, that's not a contributing factor. Her

511
00:29:30.039 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 3>friend Jane Lee, who had you know, liked the beginning

512
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 3>portion of the trail. She also said it was a

513
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 3>non issue, Like it sounds like Gary used whatever it

514
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 3>was to help her sleep, so again, probably not.

515
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 2>Any influence on Yeah, it doesn't sound like it.

516
00:29:50.359 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 3>So another theory was that she may have fallen victim

517
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 3>to foul play by a stranger, and that has happened before,

518
00:29:57.160 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 3>as we talked about earlier. So although there was no

519
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 3>evidence pointing in that direction, it was a plausible theory honestly, because.

520
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, look at all the foot traffic along the trail.

521
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously the majority of people all have the

522
00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>best of intentions of being there, and usually the crowd

523
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that the at attracts are good natured people. They're kind,

524
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 2>But of course that's never an absolute in any large

525
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:31.880
<v Speaker 2>group of people, so you are going to have the exceptions.

526
00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>And it's not entirely out of the question that she

527
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>was met with foul play out there. With that at

528
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 2>that point was speculation, and.

529
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.960
<v Speaker 3>I think the longer they searched without any evidence or

530
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:49.039
<v Speaker 3>signs of her, I think more that played in a

531
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 3>little bit, because they did do very thorough searches. So

532
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 3>I think, you know, at some point people were like,

533
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:01.400
<v Speaker 3>they've looked, we've looked be here. Something must have happened.

534
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Somebody must have taken her, you know, out of the area.

535
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:05.839
<v Speaker 3>That's why we're not finding anything.

536
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. In October of twenty fifteen, more than two.

537
00:31:09.960 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 3>Years since Jerry was last seen, a report of a

538
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 3>body found was made by either a surveyor or a

539
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:21.079
<v Speaker 3>forestry worker. A team was assembled again with state Police,

540
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.279
<v Speaker 3>the main warden Service, people from the State Medical Examiner's Office,

541
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and a film crew for the show at Northwards Law.

542
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever seen that show? Oh my god, I

543
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>love that show. I used to want to do that.

544
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>It was like the perfect combination of law enforcement, which

545
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 2>is what I used to do in the Air Force,

546
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>and being in the wilderness and I really wanted to

547
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:46.559
<v Speaker 2>do that for a while. Well, you could have done it,

548
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:47.480
<v Speaker 2>I come.

549
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 3>I have heard people talk about the show like over

550
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.680
<v Speaker 3>the years, but I've never seen it. I'm sure shocks

551
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 3>no one, no one that knows you anyway, right, Apparently,

552
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 3>and apparently sixty five episodes were took place in New Hampshire,

553
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:09.359
<v Speaker 3>following Fish and Game Officers, which you all probably already

554
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 3>know since you you've seen it.

555
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 2>I think what's cool about that show for anyone from

556
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 2>our area who's watching it is just being able to

557
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 2>actually be familiar with the places that they are. Yeah,

558
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 2>so that's always fine, any show that you're watching, if

559
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 2>you if it's set where you are, and it's kind

560
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:32.200
<v Speaker 2>of kind of makes it a little cooler.

561
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:39.359
<v Speaker 3>There's an episode of Deadly Women, that show that features

562
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 3>a killer from my town, and I remember watching it

563
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:47.440
<v Speaker 3>and being like, that's my town hall, that's this place.

564
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:50.119
<v Speaker 3>Of course it is, but yeah.

565
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 2>Like exactly, it's it's weird, It's it kind of connects

566
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>you to like what is otherwise, just when you're so

567
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:59.920
<v Speaker 2>far removed from what you're watching on TV, and then

568
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.559
<v Speaker 2>when you're actually seeing things that you've seen in person

569
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>or places you've been to in person, and you're like, Okay,

570
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 2>this is weird. Now, yeah, you have a different perspective. Absolutely.

571
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.480
<v Speaker 2>So some of the wardens originally involved in the search

572
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:16.119
<v Speaker 2>for Jerry were involved with that show, which is why

573
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.599
<v Speaker 2>they were happened to have a film crew on hand

574
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 2>that day. Wow.

575
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 3>The team went out to the coordinates they had been

576
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 3>given and found a collapse tent with skeleton remains inside

577
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 3>a sleeping bag, and it sounds like everyone essentially knew

578
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:38.480
<v Speaker 3>immediately Jerry had finally been found. In searching the scene,

579
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 3>they found her journal in a sealed plastic bag where

580
00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.240
<v Speaker 3>she had detailed what had happened. They also retrieved her

581
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:48.960
<v Speaker 3>cell phone, where they eventually were able to find several

582
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 3>unsuccessful attempts to send texts and calls. On July twenty third,

583
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 3>which was the day she was supposed to meet up

584
00:33:57.079 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 3>with George but didn't, she had tried to call him,

585
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:05.680
<v Speaker 3>and she did attempt to send a text, which obviously

586
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:09.760
<v Speaker 3>never went through, saying, in some trouble, got off trail

587
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:10.840
<v Speaker 3>to go to the bathroom.

588
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Now lost.

589
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.519
<v Speaker 3>Can you call AMC to see if trail maintainer can

590
00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:19.599
<v Speaker 3>help me somewhere north of Woods Road xox.

591
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, that's so sad.

592
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:25.519
<v Speaker 3>So she tried to send that a couple times. The

593
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 3>following day, she said another unsuccessful message, saying, Boston's yesterday

594
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 3>off trail three to four miles. Call police for what

595
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 3>to do? Please xox. And just like reading that or

596
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:45.400
<v Speaker 3>hearing those texts, like, despite being in a terrible situation,

597
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.559
<v Speaker 3>her texts and journal entries honestly sound like very sweet

598
00:34:50.800 --> 00:34:52.159
<v Speaker 3>and calm and.

599
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, like in everyday little situations, we can very

600
00:34:56.599 --> 00:35:01.960
<v Speaker 2>easily work ourselves up. And for her, and what was

601
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 2>truly a life or death situation for her, she just

602
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 2>kept her composure, and like you said, her texts were

603
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>so almost came off casual and she wasn't frantic. She didn't.

604
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:16.800
<v Speaker 2>She probably could have been frantic, but she certainly didn't

605
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.280
<v Speaker 2>convey that through her text and I imagine she probably

606
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:22.559
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to panic George either.

607
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Right, so, and again keeping George in mind, they also

608
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:30.960
<v Speaker 3>found that she had cut up her bank cards and

609
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 3>buried them. So totally speculation on everybody's part, but they

610
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:39.119
<v Speaker 3>think when she resigned herself to the fact she wasn't

611
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.320
<v Speaker 3>going to be found alive, she didn't want somebody to

612
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Speaker 3>get a hold of her cards and cause more problems

613
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 3>for George. So they think she cut them up and

614
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 3>buried them to you know, oh my goodness, getting in

615
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:54.800
<v Speaker 3>somebody else's hands, which is like so so sad, so

616
00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:59.159
<v Speaker 3>but also so like beautifully practical, like right right, you know.

617
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:07.360
<v Speaker 3>And here's where it gets extra heartbreaking, no, it already is.

618
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Although the camp site was in a densely wooded area,

619
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:15.639
<v Speaker 3>she was less than two miles from the trail, oh

620
00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 3>my god, and only about sixty yards south of where

621
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.679
<v Speaker 3>her tent was set.

622
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 2>The woods thinned out.

623
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:26.880
<v Speaker 3>To where she could have been seen from the air

624
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 3>and then only about twenty to twenty five minutes hike

625
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 3>from that open area was a totally open logging road.

626
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 3>So although her camp site was practically invisible a few

627
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 3>feet away, she was so close to civilization. Search dogs

628
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 3>had come within one hundred yards of the camp site,

629
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 3>but they didn't indicate they smelled anything, and no one

630
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:55.079
<v Speaker 3>spotted her tent. So not only did they bring out

631
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 3>search dogs in the initial searches, but in some of

632
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 3>those recovery searches they had had cadaver dogs and nobody

633
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:06.599
<v Speaker 3>seemed to.

634
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Pick up on it. Wow.

635
00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.199
<v Speaker 3>They also determined that she had tried to set fires

636
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 3>for getting attention, not like a casual okay, I guess

637
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.119
<v Speaker 3>when you're lost in the wood. Nothing as casual, but

638
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 3>as opposed to like a camp fire. So very little

639
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 3>of her journal has been released publicly, so it's hard

640
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:35.400
<v Speaker 3>to know, you know, are people just making assumptions based

641
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 3>on the information we have, or was there more information

642
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:44.039
<v Speaker 3>in those journals that maybe she said, I tried to

643
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 3>set this tree on fire, you know, to get attention,

644
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.800
<v Speaker 3>but worried it would spread. They seemed to think that

645
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 3>that was her concern, that she didn't want to create

646
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.119
<v Speaker 3>a fire that was going to get out of control.

647
00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 3>So again very practical, thinking about more than just herself.

648
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.679
<v Speaker 3>So in her journal she did detail that she had

649
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.920
<v Speaker 3>spent two days wandering around trying to move to higher

650
00:38:15.920 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 3>ground to get oriented or best case scenario, get cell

651
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:25.199
<v Speaker 3>phone service before she decided to stay put. She also

652
00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:28.079
<v Speaker 3>tried to use a miler blanket she had to signal

653
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.079
<v Speaker 3>for help, and she also used I believe it was

654
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:35.119
<v Speaker 3>like a red fleece to you know, try and get attention.

655
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:39.480
<v Speaker 3>She did write in her journal that she was able

656
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 3>to hear like the aircraft searching, so oh my god,

657
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:47.920
<v Speaker 3>So she knew that that people were looking for her,

658
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.559
<v Speaker 3>but you know, she just wasn't in an area that

659
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 3>she was able to be seen.

660
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 2>And think about it. For us, who can look at

661
00:38:58.280 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Google maps, or look at an aerial you or look

662
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.519
<v Speaker 2>at a map, it's so easy for us to say, oh,

663
00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:06.719
<v Speaker 2>wish she was only sixty yards from here. She was

664
00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:09.360
<v Speaker 2>less than two miles from here. But when you are

665
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>there at ground level, in the thick of it, like,

666
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't know if ahead of you is hundreds of

667
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.280
<v Speaker 2>acres of wilderness and behind you is a logging road

668
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 2>because it all looks the same, So there's no way

669
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.320
<v Speaker 2>of knowing which direction you should head toward, because you

670
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:34.880
<v Speaker 2>don't have that same advantage as someone sitting comfortably here,

671
00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>like at our desks, looking at a map. Right.

672
00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:42.119
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think you know the phrase you can't

673
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:46.000
<v Speaker 3>see the forest through the trees, which obviously is utilized

674
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 3>in a totally different context usually, but like, this is

675
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:54.199
<v Speaker 3>exactly it. And several sources talked about how when they

676
00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 3>did find her campsite, when you step back only a

677
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:03.199
<v Speaker 3>few feet, people couldn't even see it, So it really was.

678
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Just that dense.

679
00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Wow, I like I had said a couple of minutes

680
00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:13.199
<v Speaker 3>ago that only a few sections of her journal were released.

681
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:18.320
<v Speaker 3>One of the sections that had been released was an

682
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 3>entry from August sixth, She wrote, when do you find

683
00:40:21.960 --> 00:40:25.679
<v Speaker 3>my body, Please call my husband George and daughter Carrie.

684
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 3>It will be the greatest kindness for them to know

685
00:40:28.440 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 3>that I am dead and where you found me. No

686
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 3>matter how many years from now, please find it in

687
00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:35.840
<v Speaker 3>your heart to mail the contents of this bag to

688
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 3>one of them. So entries continued until August eighteenth. No

689
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 3>one can know for sure if the dates were accurate,

690
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 3>because again, you know, she was just in the Woods,

691
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:55.599
<v Speaker 3>So at some point her cellphone had died, so it

692
00:40:56.079 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, was she keeping accurate time? Who knows, But

693
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:07.360
<v Speaker 3>based on those dated entries, if those are accurate, she

694
00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 3>survived at least twenty six days before dying of starvation

695
00:41:11.239 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 3>and exposure.

696
00:41:12.639 --> 00:41:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

697
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:18.400
<v Speaker 3>So the rest of the journal presumably includes extremely personal

698
00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:22.440
<v Speaker 3>letters to friends and family. Yeah, her family spoke publicly

699
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 3>thinking all involved in the search for Jerry and George

700
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:29.079
<v Speaker 3>had indicated that not knowing was the hardest part. So

701
00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:32.559
<v Speaker 3>I think, just as Jerry's note said, her family did

702
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 3>have some peace knowing what happened and just finding her

703
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:42.239
<v Speaker 3>her body and just being able to, you know, kind

704
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:43.559
<v Speaker 3>of have some closure.

705
00:41:44.119 --> 00:41:47.880
<v Speaker 2>To bring her home. Yeah. I did find it hard

706
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to believe.

707
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I believe it, but I did find it

708
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.440
<v Speaker 3>strange that both search and cadaver dogs came so close

709
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 3>to her camp site.

710
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Not for a lack of effort, but that's so frustrating because,

711
00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.960
<v Speaker 2>like you said, they were so close, like two different

712
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>sets of dogs, and you always wonder what if, like

713
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.480
<v Speaker 2>what if they found her, what if they got there sooner?

714
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 3>But and the other thing is, you know, she had

715
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 3>indicated that she heard like the aircraft looking for her.

716
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:28.079
<v Speaker 3>So it is surprising that, because we know searchers came

717
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 3>very close, that she didn't hear them. So, you know,

718
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:39.719
<v Speaker 3>some thought is you know, later on in, you know,

719
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.519
<v Speaker 3>several days into the search, you know, she may have

720
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:50.000
<v Speaker 3>been you know, too weak or dehydrated to you know,

721
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:53.159
<v Speaker 3>respond in a way that they'd be able to hear her.

722
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 3>But you know, there wasn't a delay in starting to

723
00:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.480
<v Speaker 3>look for her. So I'm just surprised that, you know,

724
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:04.639
<v Speaker 3>within the first couple of days before you know, things

725
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:08.320
<v Speaker 3>had physically taken a toll on her, that you know,

726
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.800
<v Speaker 3>they weren't able to hear each other, or you know,

727
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.360
<v Speaker 3>she wasn't able to hear them. So I did read

728
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:19.320
<v Speaker 3>the book titled When You Find My Body. I do

729
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 3>recommend it, although I felt like the author makes a

730
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.039
<v Speaker 3>lot of assumptions on what Jerry might have been thinking

731
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 3>or feeling during her time lost. I know that the

732
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 3>author did do interviews with her friends and family and

733
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:36.519
<v Speaker 3>authorities involved in the case, but I couldn't find anywhere

734
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 3>if the family had given him access to read.

735
00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>The full journal.

736
00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:45.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, So if he did have access, then maybe

737
00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:48.840
<v Speaker 3>some of these things he wrote were actually things that

738
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 3>Jerry had expressed in that journal, and you know he

739
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 3>wasn't taking you know, artistic license with assuming what she

740
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:04.880
<v Speaker 3>was feeling or thinking. But I couldn't find anywhere for

741
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 3>sure knowing if he had access to more than the

742
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:14.519
<v Speaker 3>public did or not beyond beyond the interviews. Right, he

743
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 3>definitely did interviews, but I don't know.

744
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:23.239
<v Speaker 2>Look, he had more insight than just the public in general. Right.

745
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.400
<v Speaker 3>So, despite the appellation trail being clearly marked and a

746
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 3>very well maintained trail, despite jury being well prepared, and

747
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.880
<v Speaker 3>despite this being Nain's large dismissing person's search, it still

748
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:42.559
<v Speaker 3>ended in tragedy. Sometimes it's easy to underestimate how easy

749
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 3>it really can be to get turned around the woods,

750
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.000
<v Speaker 3>and if you're unlucky enough to also not have self service,

751
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:54.519
<v Speaker 3>it can definitely get dire quick if you do get lost.

752
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:58.039
<v Speaker 3>The US four Service says you should do the followings.

753
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:05.760
<v Speaker 3>A little podcast pe perfect So Forest Service tells us

754
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.119
<v Speaker 3>you should stop as soon as you realize you may

755
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.960
<v Speaker 3>be lost. Stop, stay calm, stay put. Panic is your

756
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:18.800
<v Speaker 3>greatest enemy. Think, go over your mind, how you got

757
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.960
<v Speaker 3>to where you are? What landmarks should you be able

758
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.400
<v Speaker 3>to see? Do not move at all until you have

759
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.559
<v Speaker 3>a specific reason to take a step. Observe, get out

760
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 3>your compass and determine the directions based on where you

761
00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 3>are standing. Do not walk aimlessly. If you were on

762
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.840
<v Speaker 3>a trail, stay on it as the very last resort.

763
00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Follow a drainage or stream downhill. This is often a

764
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 3>difficult path, but could lead to a trail a road again,

765
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:51.800
<v Speaker 3>this could be dangerous. Plan based on your thinking and observations.

766
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Come up with some possible plans, think them through, then

767
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 3>act on one of them. If you are not very

768
00:45:59.159 --> 00:46:02.320
<v Speaker 3>very confident in the root, then it's better to stay put.

769
00:46:03.039 --> 00:46:06.320
<v Speaker 3>If it's nightfall or you're injured or near exhaustion, stay

770
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:10.960
<v Speaker 3>in place so They also list a couple almost it

771
00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:17.960
<v Speaker 3>self serve self rescue tips if after careful planning and consideration,

772
00:46:18.079 --> 00:46:21.039
<v Speaker 3>you decide you should try to rescue yourself. Here are

773
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.320
<v Speaker 3>some tips to remember. Stop and rest when you start

774
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.039
<v Speaker 3>to feel tired. Don't wait until you're exhausted. Your body

775
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.599
<v Speaker 3>can't hike hard and digest food at the same time.

776
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Rest in the shade for at least thirty minutes when

777
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 3>you stop to eat. If you're still tired after thirty minutes,

778
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:39.599
<v Speaker 3>continue to rest make sure to drink enough water to

779
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 3>avoid dehydration. Symptoms of dehydration could include thirst, dry sticky mouth,

780
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:51.679
<v Speaker 3>not urining very much or dark yellow urine, dry cool skin, headache,

781
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:55.639
<v Speaker 3>and muscle gramps. Stop and fix small problems while they

782
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 3>are still small.

783
00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:57.239
<v Speaker 2>I like that one.

784
00:46:57.280 --> 00:47:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Actually, if you ignore your body and keep pushing, the

785
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:02.880
<v Speaker 3>pain or illness will only get worse and make recovery

786
00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:07.360
<v Speaker 3>margin occult. Avoid hiking between ten and four pm on

787
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.239
<v Speaker 3>hot days, so yes, adjust your hiking pace to one

788
00:47:11.280 --> 00:47:14.000
<v Speaker 3>you can comfortably maintain, and rest when you feel the need.

789
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:17.320
<v Speaker 3>So definitely, just a couple of things to keep in mind.

790
00:47:17.760 --> 00:47:22.880
<v Speaker 3>I think we you know, sitting at home or you know,

791
00:47:22.920 --> 00:47:25.960
<v Speaker 3>when we're not in the moment. These are all things

792
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 3>that were like, well, yeah, of course, but I think

793
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.480
<v Speaker 3>if you let that panic or stress take over, it's

794
00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:37.159
<v Speaker 3>very easy to forget these very simple things. So just

795
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 3>doesn't hurt to reiterate them.

796
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.719
<v Speaker 2>They're all good friendly reminders because, like you said, it's

797
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.880
<v Speaker 2>easy right here to say, well, duh, but if you're

798
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 2>in the moment, panicking could take the situation from being

799
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:58.960
<v Speaker 2>manageable to now becoming more of like an emergency.

800
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:04.559
<v Speaker 3>So Derry was friendly and kind, leaving a warm impression

801
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 3>with anyone she met. You know, they had interviewed a

802
00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:11.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of hikers along the trail, and you know, she

803
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.480
<v Speaker 3>had interacted with a lot of people in her time

804
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.960
<v Speaker 3>out there, and everybody just had great things to say

805
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:18.519
<v Speaker 3>about her.

806
00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 2>And it sounds like.

807
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Even in those short exchanges along the trail, you know,

808
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 3>she left an impact on those people who were essentially

809
00:48:29.000 --> 00:48:32.920
<v Speaker 3>strangers until they met for that brief time. So she's

810
00:48:33.320 --> 00:48:36.519
<v Speaker 3>absolutely deeply messed by all who knew her, and for

811
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 3>the rest of us, her death is a cautionary reminder

812
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:41.079
<v Speaker 3>to stay on the trail.

813
00:48:43.760 --> 00:48:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a really sad one because she was

814
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:51.480
<v Speaker 2>just doing something so normal on the trail, which is

815
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 2>just stepping away to relieve herself, and there was no

816
00:48:56.599 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 2>way of knowing the gradual consequences that that would have.

817
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:07.480
<v Speaker 3>And because I had like shared some of these if

818
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:12.119
<v Speaker 3>you get lost tips with my child because I thought

819
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:15.960
<v Speaker 3>that was a good opportunity, a good learning opportunity. He then,

820
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, had to tell me that his adventure backpack

821
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.199
<v Speaker 3>didn't have a whistle, so I had to order a

822
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 3>multi pack of safety whistles. So if you need a

823
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.800
<v Speaker 3>whistle for your hiking bag. I have six of them,

824
00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:31.199
<v Speaker 3>so let me know what color you want.

825
00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:35.400
<v Speaker 2>That's actually really smart of him notice to pick that

826
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.480
<v Speaker 2>out and say, hey, this one's missing from my pack.

827
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.440
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and it's funny because I'm like, oh, yeah,

828
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.760
<v Speaker 3>like you know, pretty much all hiking packs have have

829
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.920
<v Speaker 3>that whistle on the strap. But then I look at

830
00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 3>mine and I'm like, there's no whistle on here.

831
00:49:50.559 --> 00:49:51.480
<v Speaker 2>My previous one.

832
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:54.639
<v Speaker 3>Had a whistle, but this cheap one that I had

833
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 3>to replace because I ruined my expensive one did not

834
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:58.360
<v Speaker 3>come with a whistle.

835
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, very good observation, little man. Yep.

836
00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 3>So that's your takeaway for tonight. Everybody's homework. Go make

837
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:11.599
<v Speaker 3>sure your day pack or your hiking pack or your

838
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.480
<v Speaker 3>adventure bag as my kid likes to call it, and

839
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:18.400
<v Speaker 3>has that safety I don't know it's called safety whistle.

840
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't know that's what I'm calling it.

841
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:24.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you for sharing that really tragic story.

842
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.199
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, I am now looking forward to hearing a different

843
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 3>Appalachian trail tail next week.

844
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, it's kind of funny that we both chose

845
00:50:36.920 --> 00:50:42.320
<v Speaker 2>one without knowing each other's story. So yeah, next week

846
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.599
<v Speaker 2>we will be talking about another tragedy on the trail.

847
00:50:46.800 --> 00:50:48.599
<v Speaker 2>All right, sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, these days four thirty comes early, so oh

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<v Speaker 2>it does. Yeah. Well, thank you for listening, all right bye.

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