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So what I like to do is sort of educate
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I want to take a little bit of a departure
this week. We'll get to some respiratory stuff a little
later on. But I had a a phenomenon. I've been
very fortunate to have been asked to speak at some
international conferences. Back in October last year, twenty thirteen, actually,
so a year and a half ago. I was lucky
enough to be in London speaking at the London Vet
Forum and then in Barcelona at the Southern European Veterinary
Conference and just had an amazing time and just got
back from Peru, Lima Peru speaking at the LAVC, that's
the Latin American Veterinari Conference, and it was just an
amazing experience. And what made it even more fun for
me and actually pretty educational for me as well, is
that I had the opportunity to speak at two of
the something like believe it or not, eleven Veterinaris colleges
in Lima. I mean that's insane. I mean, California is
much bigger, and we only have two. Most states only
have one. There are states that have none, and here
just the city of Lima itself having about ten or
eleven Verini schools. And I learned a lot about the programming.
First of all, the education. There's a lot different in
that here in America and the States, and in the
same thing in Canada. We go through our high school
and then from high school we go to university or
college and four years getting a degree. Most of the
often sometimes if you're lucky enough or really a brain,
which I was not, then you can possibly get it
to veterinary school. After just three years of undergrad you're
looking someone who's really smart, straight a's, you know, the
whole thing. And then after your second year of veterinary school,
you'll be awarded what's called a BVS. You have Bachelors
of Science in veterinary a medicine or Bachelors of Veterinary Science.
Then after your fourth year then you get your DVM,
or if you go to University of Pennsylvania, it'll be
your VMD. But most of us, most schools in the country,
give a DVM. Well there, it's different.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: You go to high school, you graduate seventeen eighteen, just
like we do, and then you go straight to a
roughly six year veterinary program, the first two years obviously
being the required science cores that we would take as
part of our bachelor's degree, our undergraduate degree, and then
straight into four years of veterinary school.
Speaker 3: And I kind of have my doubts.
Speaker 2: About the smarts the effectiveness of that type of education,
because I'm not so sure that that people at seventeen
or eighteen. Now I knew what I wanted to do,
but I also had the work experience to back it up.
They don't have the same opportunities to do work experience,
And therefore, do you really know at that age and
are you ready for that professional school curriculum. I've met
many that have been Apparently there is a fairly substantial
dropout rate. So I had a chance to discuss. On Monday,
I had the opportunity to speak at what they call
San Marcos University. San Marcos is not only the oldest
veterinary school in South America, it is part of one
of the oldest university in the Americas that includes North America.
Founded in mid fifteen hundreds, and it is started out
as more of a religious college, and then over the
years is now has a medical school, dental school, of
veterinary college.
Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: The problem is, oh, by the way, it's the most
difficult of all the schools to get into. Why not
because it is so well equipped, Because I found out
it isn't.
Speaker 3: It's because it's free.
Speaker 2: And so to get into San Marcos, they take the
cream of the crop and very expensive. People don't earn
the livings that we do here, and therefore to get
into a free university is a major plus. The problem
because it's free and because the government, the state schools
do not have the ability to really equip these schools
well to stay with all the newest and latest equipment, diagnostics.
Speaker 3: Et cetera. It is severely lacking.
Speaker 2: So here I am walking through the teaching hospital of
the finest, the most difficult school in Lima, and their
X ray machine is forty years old. They have one
ultrasound machine, they have no laser. I was helping them
put a catheter into a little puppy and we needed
to get what's called the jugular cast I needed some
I think it was a little bit longer than the
small cathers that they had. And they look at me
and go, this is all we have. And you walk
through this teaching facility, that is teaching hospital, and it
is dark, it is gloomy. I have to tell you
it was so depressing, and yet this.
Speaker 3: Is number one.
Speaker 2: Then the next day I had an opportunity to work
with one of the private universities. Now, when they say
the private schools obviously takes money, not horrendous amount of
money compared to our standards, but it takes money, and
therefore anybody can get in, they don't look at necessarily
the grades. The exam that you have to take to
get in is nothing like that of San Marcos. But
I was fortunate enough to join them on a surgery
clinic and they have a program. The school is called
Ricardo Palma University, and I have met a few graduates
actually from Palma, and two of them actually came to
visit me here in California and spent some time with
me at my hospital, and they totally different experience. First
of all, what they're doing this program. There is an
air just outside of Lima. It's an outskirts. And remember
Lima is sort of situated right smack in a valley
between the Andes Mountains and the coast. So driving in
the outskirts, the areas become extremely poor. Literally, people living
in shacks, no plumbing, no electricity. They're claiming ground and
building their little shacks up on the mountain side. And
we went to an area called Manchai, very very very
poor area and the place is lack my experience in
Akitos several years before in the Amazon in Peru, dogs
all over the place. They are just running wild and
they are breeding and we're seeing more and more dogs
and it's gotten out of control and it's been getting
dangerous as the dog bite to person ratio is astronomical.
One dog bite to an adult for every four adults.
That means twenty five percent of adults living in Manchai
have been or will be bitten by a dog, and
some of the dogs bites are serious. And the hospital
facilities are not much better than the veterinan hospital facilities,
so it is a real problem. And then one of
the major issues is these dogs are living in fear.
They're running the streets and they're intact. Another problem is
there are a lot of ticks in that area, and
there are a lot of tick born diseases, and often
the diagnostics to diagnose the tick diseases are somewhat of
a challenge and again somewhat expensive. So the University Rikara
Palma is sure of doing a double study. Number one,
capturing these dogs. They're advertising a clinic I think it's
once a week or once every other week where people
are bringing dogs in that they can find often have
to be muzzled or harnessed. They're somewhat aggressive. And the
students are doing this space and neuters right now, they're
doing neuters on these male dogs. The thought being twofold.
Number one, let's reduce the population. And number two, what
effect is neutering going to have as we suspect it
does on the aggressive behavior of these dogs. And lastly,
as they're doing their testing, and it's very fascinating I'm
going to get to in a minute, but as they're
doing their pre anesthetic testing, they're looking for other parameters
that might help them determine whether or not these dogs
have tick boorn diseases other than.
Speaker 3: Just plain anemia.
Speaker 2: What other statistical analyzes can they do on the blood
so they won't necessarily need the fancy, more expensive tick
tighter testing where they might be able to do it
just based on some of the parameters that they notice
in a basic blood test. So very interesting, and I
have to tell you it was a great experience working
with them. And yes, though these students supposedly are not
the cream of the crop, I found them to be
so hungry, so professional, and it was really just a
joy to see. As a matter of fact, it's going
to be seeing what I can do to San Marcos,
you know, contacting some of the vendors that I work with.
I remember when I went to Peru, to Qitos, to
the Amazon, I contact some of these bigger companies and
had them donate. I know they are equipment companies out
there that people upgrade upgrade equipment all the time. There
may be some extra machines out there some of these
companies have there are five to seven ten years old.
No one's gonna want to buy them anymore, and I'm
going to try to put a little pressure on them
to donate them, possibly to San Marcos. Again, it was
an interesting experience. So what happened. So I'm waiting and
I'm hearing I got picked up in the morning by
the dean. Now that interestingly, the dean at the Ricara
Palmer University was also a former student at San Marcos,
used to teach at San Marcos, and when after retiring
quote unquote from San Marcos, he accepted a position as
the dean of this one of the private schools in Lima,
and got picked up when we drove through the city
of Lima itself into Munchai, where you see the poverty
is so frightening to see, it's so sad, and they
as we're going up this dirt road into what they
call the town center, and I've noticed a lot of
these communities, as poor as they are, actually have a
town center. It's for functions, it's for town meetings, and
they actually use it and This was a fairly newly
built town center and there was an outdoor area where
they set up tables for the pre examinations, and then
inside they set up their surgery facility. Now, I have
to tell you the surgery facility was on par with
what I would expect to see here in the US.
I mean, it was amazing stainless steel tables that they
assembled because they come they weren't the hydraulic, but they
were beautifully stainless seal tables with hooks and poles for
the ivy fluids. They had pulse oxymmetry to monitor oxygen
and CO two electrocuttery. I mean, these were very very
well equipped. They had tied down the surgeons, including myself,
wearing cap down masks, sterile gloves.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: The difference between the supposedly the best veterinary college in
the country and just one of the many of the
private veterinary college in Garnary Schools in Lima was night
and day and it was amazing to see and the
energy of these students was just infectious.
Speaker 3: It was great. Anyway, time for a quick break. I
want to hear from you.
Speaker 2: I want to hear if any of you have traveled
any parts of the world. I hear India is terrible.
There are places where dogs are literally all over the
place and it's so frightening. They're not getting care. And
I'm just curious to know from other people's experience what
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Speaker 2: Before the break, we were talking about my recent trip
speaking at the Latin American Veterinary Conference, and before the
actual conference, the opportunity I had to visit and work
with two of the eleven or so veterinary schools in
Lima itself, which blows my mind. And the clinic, the
neuter clinic that we did with one of the private
veteri schools, which was you know, I found fascinating, was
so uplifting for me to see the eagerness of these
students and the professionalism and from a medical standpoint, just
that the high quality of practice was just unreal. So
I worked with fifth and six year students, which are
towards the end. The fifth year students were on Anesesa tract.
So these students are picking the dogs up, they are
examining them, listening to their chests, taking blood test on
every single animal, doing the ANAESTHESI just starting hooking up
to the monitoring equipment.
Speaker 3: I mean it was just as we would.
Speaker 2: Do here really and then carry the dogs into the
quote unquote churgical facility. We had three tables set up,
all stainless steel, all with ivy fluids, electric cautery.
Speaker 3: I mean, they had everything that we.
Speaker 2: Needed and the students were assisting us do the neuters,
and I was teaching them some of the tricks that
I've learned over the years. As I said, very very
receptive sterile surgery packs for each animal. It was really amazing.
I don't think they were doing it just for me.
I really think that they were. This is how they
were learning. And first of all, I learned a lot
of things about the profession. There A lot of people
want to be veterinarians, obviously, and because they have so
many schools, it's very easily doable. The problem is, A,
they are not enough jobs. There are so many veterinarians
out there without work. And B even if they get jobs,
the pay is really I mean, it's so substandard compared
to what we are used to here in America. And
the fees, accordingly, are also very very low. It made
me more impressed when I got a chance to visit
two private veterinarian hospitals, how well they were equipped and
how well they were doing, considering it's very tough. One
of the doctors that I worked with, he works with
his father, father is a semi retired veterinarian.
Speaker 3: Mother sort of runs.
Speaker 2: The show as far as the business side. His sister
works with them as well as a veterinarian. So it's crazy,
and I wonder how with all these schools and all
these graduates and already there's not enough work. It baffles
me as to what the point is. Think the private
schools are opening because they know students want to do it,
and they're getting the money. The good news is they
are really pouring some of that money back into the
educational program, back into equipment. So I found these schools,
the private school at least of when I work with
and I hear it is similar for most of the
others that are equally as equipped. But I found there
was just a difference in the students maybe I don't know,
maybe fear that they can easily lose their spot if
they don't perform. But they were so upbeat, and I
think that working in a happy, well equipped, clean environment
also makes you feel better. And I just not get
the same vibe from the much older you know, obviously,
as I mentioned, the oldest school in the America is
the oldest university in the Americas, and it just didn't
seem that they had that same energy, if you will.
And walking and driving around Peru, there are so many
quote unquote private universities and they pop up all over
and some have like you know, I say, now at
general do they have a better so they don't a
better school. They're more for economics, or they're more for
business or finance, and so they all have their themes,
if you will, not just a major within a university,
but it's the university itself. So if you are thinking
about going to finance, you would apply only to the
schools like that one. So it is it's almost like
veterinary school in the sense that when you apply out
of high school, you're already expected to choose a major,
and that Asia City veteran medicine. So you go to
a school that basically specializes in veteran medicine or has
a better medical college there. Well, it's the same thing
for some of these other universities. As you're applying to universities.
It's not a major within a four year college. It
is the college itself and what it's best known for.
So I just found it very fascinating. As far as
the conference, it was terrific, so much energy, a lot
of young veterinarians, which was great and very eager. Now
I'm unfortunately I don't speak Spanish. I understand a little bit,
I don't speak Spanish well enough certainly to lecture in Spanish.
So we had an interpreter who apparently was pretty good.
But you know, it's it's hard for it's hard to
when you're out of anyone who has ever done this,
if you were listening, had to speak in another language
and waiting for the interpreter, because first of all, there's
always into delay.
Speaker 3: So you know, with me and I try to be
upbeat and actually a little funny.
Speaker 2: Sometimes and I'll say something that I thought was very
humorous and there's dead pand no response, and all of
a sudden, like five seconds later, they started laughing. So
at least the interpreter was able to, uh, I guess,
bring out the humor in what I was saying. Oftentimes,
when you work with an interpreter, they are just speaking
like monotone. So if part of what you say is
a delivery, then they don't get it. It's kind of awkward.
But overall, I would tell you it was really, really
a good experience. And I'm amazed at how many questions
people coming up. And I lecture here in the US
all the time, and yeah, a couple of people come up.
And but the other thing which I found was so
funny is to have an American veterinarian and one with I.
Speaker 3: Guess some visibility.
Speaker 2: I guesscuse the TV stuff that I do, and you know,
having worked being being Lassi and Doctor Oz and all
the news things that I've done in my own TV
show an Animal Planet, It's almost like that celebrity asset.
All these bests want to come up and take pictures.
There must be seventy pictures, eighty one hundred pictures out there.
I have no idea of what really putting him, but
everybody wanted to get a picture, which I thought was
kind of fun too.
Speaker 3: But it was a overall a great experience.
Speaker 2: And then I, of course, if we're in Peru, we're
not going to stop justin Limba. So we had an opportunity,
my wife and I we went up to We went
to Cusco, which is one of the highest cities in
the America. Is it's eleven thousand feet. I just think
they called Denver the mile high City. It's five thousand
plus feet above sea level. This is over eleven thousand feet.
It's twice it's the two mile high City. It's just amazing,
so so much so that there's always a big problem
with what they call altitude sickness, and people get light headed,
they get headaches at nausea. Fortunately it didn't happen to us.
There is a medication that is often recommended. It's called
a seat zola mine, which we didn't take for a
few days before, but we felt actually nothing.
Speaker 3: It was actually pretty cool. And then we went to Mantupichu.
Speaker 2: And when we were in in Peru about five years
earlier in the Amazon, we did not have an opportunity
to go to Couscor mats Piccu, so it was really
great to be able to go there. And it's an
ancient city that was discovered by a Yale professor and
Hiram Bingham. And what's amazing is how technically built from
a drainage aqueduct perspective, from a quick perspective, because it's
right on a fault, and how much they knew and
to this day the city stands.
Speaker 3: It's unreal.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's in a sense of the last city because
when the Spaniards came in, everybody fled and there are
very few records of anything about the culture other than
what can be learned from the structures, the location of
the structures, the aqueduct system. How this city has withstood
the test of time for so many years. Again, it
wasn't discovered till this Yale professor. I think it was
early nineteen hundreds, it might be nineteen eleven, something like that.
Very fascinating, and it was just great. It was beautiful
and we had a lot of pictures. It was a
terrific place. It was so much fun to visit. Anyway,
it was a great experience. I'm here with you next
week as well, and then I'm off to Bangkok, Thailand
to speak the World Small Animal Veteran Association meeting. We
will have a lot to report. I've never been to
that part of the world. Should be pretty cool. I'm
also most likely next year it looks like I'm maybe
speaking at one of the big comferences in Mexico. The
one beautiful thing about speaking at some of these foreign
international conferences is that typically there is going to be
someone there who is actively involved in one of the
other world comferences. And if they hear you speak and
they like what they see, they like what they hear,
they like the energy, they will ask you if you
wouldn't mind speaking at their conference. And it's so far
it's been a snowball effect for me and It's been
great because I'm having the opportunity to go to places
I probably otherwise wouldn't go, and you just learn about
so many cultures, and I of course just love to
see just veteran medicine in general, how it is so
unique in different places, and how it is similar versus
and how different it is from our own not only practice,
but from an education standpoint as well.
Speaker 3: And it was just a great ex experience.
Speaker 2: So if next week, if you wanted to send me
an email and share any information, we'll read things online.
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And other than that, I just want to thank you
all for joining me. We were still in the middle
of our talk on the respiratory complexes and physicians, which
we will probably go back to next week.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get us a guest.
Speaker 2: From one of the other hosts here at pet Life
Radio and.
Speaker 3: Do some fun stuff. If that happens, we'll delay.
Speaker 2: The medical stuff and depending one who I get as
a guest, we'll talk about something very appropriate for your pets.
Speaker 3: Once again, thanks for joining me here.
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