1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: You're listening to Petlifradio dot com and. 2 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:29,239 Speaker 2: Welcome to everybody on this glorious Sunday morning or maybe 3 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,280 Sunday afternoon wherever you may be sitting or driving right 4 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,560 as we speak. Welcome to Ask the Vests with Doctor 5 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,640 Jeff here on pet Life Radios only live call in 6 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,119 radio show. Call in the keywords here we want to 7 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:45,880 hear from you. Very easy to do, just anything. Anything 8 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,439 you want to talk about pets. It could be a 9 00:00:47,439 --> 00:00:50,200 subject matter. 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But if 31 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:42,760 something comes in it's not dog and cat, just ask away. 32 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,319 If I don't have an answer, I have a slew 33 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,560 of experts in respective fields to help me and I 34 00:01:48,599 --> 00:01:51,239 will get you an answer and it will be I'm 35 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,959 hoping if I trust my experts, they're right answer. But 36 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,560 I want to take a little bit of a departure 37 00:01:56,599 --> 00:01:58,280 this week. We'll get to some respiratory stuff a little 38 00:01:58,359 --> 00:02:01,000 later on. But I had a a phenomenon. I've been 39 00:02:01,079 --> 00:02:04,040 very fortunate to have been asked to speak at some 40 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:08,520 international conferences. Back in October last year, twenty thirteen, actually, 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,400 so a year and a half ago. I was lucky 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,960 enough to be in London speaking at the London Vet 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,639 Forum and then in Barcelona at the Southern European Veterinary 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,120 Conference and just had an amazing time and just got 45 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:25,199 back from Peru, Lima Peru speaking at the LAVC, that's 46 00:02:25,199 --> 00:02:28,520 the Latin American Veterinari Conference, and it was just an 47 00:02:28,599 --> 00:02:32,080 amazing experience. And what made it even more fun for 48 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:35,159 me and actually pretty educational for me as well, is 49 00:02:35,199 --> 00:02:37,680 that I had the opportunity to speak at two of 50 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:41,039 the something like believe it or not, eleven Veterinaris colleges 51 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,159 in Lima. I mean that's insane. I mean, California is 52 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,960 much bigger, and we only have two. Most states only 53 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,199 have one. There are states that have none, and here 54 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:55,840 just the city of Lima itself having about ten or 55 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,400 eleven Verini schools. And I learned a lot about the programming. 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,000 First of all, the education. There's a lot different in 57 00:03:02,039 --> 00:03:04,840 that here in America and the States, and in the 58 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,800 same thing in Canada. We go through our high school 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,159 and then from high school we go to university or 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,360 college and four years getting a degree. Most of the 61 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:16,360 often sometimes if you're lucky enough or really a brain, 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,319 which I was not, then you can possibly get it 63 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,439 to veterinary school. After just three years of undergrad you're 64 00:03:22,439 --> 00:03:24,919 looking someone who's really smart, straight a's, you know, the 65 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,520 whole thing. And then after your second year of veterinary school, 66 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,759 you'll be awarded what's called a BVS. You have Bachelors 67 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:33,879 of Science in veterinary a medicine or Bachelors of Veterinary Science. 68 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,199 Then after your fourth year then you get your DVM, 69 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,800 or if you go to University of Pennsylvania, it'll be 70 00:03:38,919 --> 00:03:41,439 your VMD. But most of us, most schools in the country, 71 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,840 give a DVM. Well there, it's different. 72 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 3: There. 73 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,479 Speaker 2: You go to high school, you graduate seventeen eighteen, just 74 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,879 like we do, and then you go straight to a 75 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,919 roughly six year veterinary program, the first two years obviously 76 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,719 being the required science cores that we would take as 77 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,479 part of our bachelor's degree, our undergraduate degree, and then 78 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,560 straight into four years of veterinary school. 79 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: And I kind of have my doubts. 80 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: About the smarts the effectiveness of that type of education, 81 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:12,599 because I'm not so sure that that people at seventeen 82 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,120 or eighteen. Now I knew what I wanted to do, 83 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,240 but I also had the work experience to back it up. 84 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:20,959 They don't have the same opportunities to do work experience, 85 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,879 And therefore, do you really know at that age and 86 00:04:23,959 --> 00:04:27,199 are you ready for that professional school curriculum. I've met 87 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,639 many that have been Apparently there is a fairly substantial 88 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,120 dropout rate. So I had a chance to discuss. On Monday, 89 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:37,959 I had the opportunity to speak at what they call 90 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:42,360 San Marcos University. San Marcos is not only the oldest 91 00:04:42,439 --> 00:04:45,680 veterinary school in South America, it is part of one 92 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:51,240 of the oldest university in the Americas that includes North America. 93 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:55,959 Founded in mid fifteen hundreds, and it is started out 94 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,519 as more of a religious college, and then over the 95 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:00,639 years is now has a medical school, dental school, of 96 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:01,600 veterinary college. 97 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:02,079 Speaker 3: Et cetera, et cetera. 98 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:04,879 Speaker 2: The problem is, oh, by the way, it's the most 99 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,920 difficult of all the schools to get into. Why not 100 00:05:08,959 --> 00:05:11,839 because it is so well equipped, Because I found out 101 00:05:11,879 --> 00:05:12,279 it isn't. 102 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 3: It's because it's free. 103 00:05:13,959 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 2: And so to get into San Marcos, they take the 104 00:05:16,079 --> 00:05:19,720 cream of the crop and very expensive. People don't earn 105 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,720 the livings that we do here, and therefore to get 106 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,480 into a free university is a major plus. The problem 107 00:05:27,519 --> 00:05:31,399 because it's free and because the government, the state schools 108 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:35,480 do not have the ability to really equip these schools 109 00:05:35,519 --> 00:05:40,720 well to stay with all the newest and latest equipment, diagnostics. 110 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,439 Speaker 3: Et cetera. It is severely lacking. 111 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: So here I am walking through the teaching hospital of 112 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,519 the finest, the most difficult school in Lima, and their 113 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:52,120 X ray machine is forty years old. They have one 114 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,319 ultrasound machine, they have no laser. I was helping them 115 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,040 put a catheter into a little puppy and we needed 116 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,839 to get what's called the jugular cast I needed some 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,720 I think it was a little bit longer than the 118 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,120 small cathers that they had. And they look at me 119 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,839 and go, this is all we have. And you walk 120 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,639 through this teaching facility, that is teaching hospital, and it 121 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:12,800 is dark, it is gloomy. I have to tell you 122 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,040 it was so depressing, and yet this. 123 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:16,399 Speaker 3: Is number one. 124 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: Then the next day I had an opportunity to work 125 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:22,120 with one of the private universities. Now, when they say 126 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,759 the private schools obviously takes money, not horrendous amount of 127 00:06:26,759 --> 00:06:29,360 money compared to our standards, but it takes money, and 128 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:32,079 therefore anybody can get in, they don't look at necessarily 129 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,160 the grades. The exam that you have to take to 130 00:06:34,199 --> 00:06:37,120 get in is nothing like that of San Marcos. But 131 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,079 I was fortunate enough to join them on a surgery 132 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:44,879 clinic and they have a program. The school is called 133 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:48,519 Ricardo Palma University, and I have met a few graduates 134 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,079 actually from Palma, and two of them actually came to 135 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,120 visit me here in California and spent some time with 136 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,800 me at my hospital, and they totally different experience. First 137 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,759 of all, what they're doing this program. There is an 138 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:02,639 air just outside of Lima. It's an outskirts. And remember 139 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,040 Lima is sort of situated right smack in a valley 140 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:08,399 between the Andes Mountains and the coast. So driving in 141 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,639 the outskirts, the areas become extremely poor. Literally, people living 142 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:16,720 in shacks, no plumbing, no electricity. They're claiming ground and 143 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:19,519 building their little shacks up on the mountain side. And 144 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:23,160 we went to an area called Manchai, very very very 145 00:07:23,519 --> 00:07:27,240 poor area and the place is lack my experience in 146 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,199 Akitos several years before in the Amazon in Peru, dogs 147 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,079 all over the place. They are just running wild and 148 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,399 they are breeding and we're seeing more and more dogs 149 00:07:38,439 --> 00:07:41,560 and it's gotten out of control and it's been getting 150 00:07:41,639 --> 00:07:47,160 dangerous as the dog bite to person ratio is astronomical. 151 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,120 One dog bite to an adult for every four adults. 152 00:07:51,319 --> 00:07:54,800 That means twenty five percent of adults living in Manchai 153 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 have been or will be bitten by a dog, and 154 00:07:57,199 --> 00:07:59,160 some of the dogs bites are serious. And the hospital 155 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,600 facilities are not much better than the veterinan hospital facilities, 156 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,079 so it is a real problem. And then one of 157 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,959 the major issues is these dogs are living in fear. 158 00:08:06,959 --> 00:08:10,439 They're running the streets and they're intact. Another problem is 159 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,480 there are a lot of ticks in that area, and 160 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,600 there are a lot of tick born diseases, and often 161 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:20,759 the diagnostics to diagnose the tick diseases are somewhat of 162 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,879 a challenge and again somewhat expensive. So the University Rikara 163 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,439 Palma is sure of doing a double study. Number one, 164 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,399 capturing these dogs. They're advertising a clinic I think it's 165 00:08:31,439 --> 00:08:33,200 once a week or once every other week where people 166 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,639 are bringing dogs in that they can find often have 167 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,639 to be muzzled or harnessed. They're somewhat aggressive. And the 168 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,519 students are doing this space and neuters right now, they're 169 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,519 doing neuters on these male dogs. The thought being twofold. 170 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:49,519 Number one, let's reduce the population. And number two, what 171 00:08:49,639 --> 00:08:52,159 effect is neutering going to have as we suspect it 172 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,480 does on the aggressive behavior of these dogs. And lastly, 173 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:59,600 as they're doing their testing, and it's very fascinating I'm 174 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,120 going to get to in a minute, but as they're 175 00:09:01,159 --> 00:09:05,240 doing their pre anesthetic testing, they're looking for other parameters 176 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:08,600 that might help them determine whether or not these dogs 177 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,279 have tick boorn diseases other than. 178 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:11,639 Speaker 3: Just plain anemia. 179 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:15,399 Speaker 2: What other statistical analyzes can they do on the blood 180 00:09:15,799 --> 00:09:19,879 so they won't necessarily need the fancy, more expensive tick 181 00:09:19,919 --> 00:09:22,320 tighter testing where they might be able to do it 182 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,480 just based on some of the parameters that they notice 183 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,879 in a basic blood test. So very interesting, and I 184 00:09:28,919 --> 00:09:31,200 have to tell you it was a great experience working 185 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,000 with them. And yes, though these students supposedly are not 186 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,279 the cream of the crop, I found them to be 187 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:42,000 so hungry, so professional, and it was really just a 188 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:43,919 joy to see. As a matter of fact, it's going 189 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:46,320 to be seeing what I can do to San Marcos, 190 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,320 you know, contacting some of the vendors that I work with. 191 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:51,559 I remember when I went to Peru, to Qitos, to 192 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,039 the Amazon, I contact some of these bigger companies and 193 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,519 had them donate. I know they are equipment companies out 194 00:09:56,519 --> 00:10:00,240 there that people upgrade upgrade equipment all the time. There 195 00:10:00,279 --> 00:10:02,279 may be some extra machines out there some of these 196 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:04,159 companies have there are five to seven ten years old. 197 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,519 No one's gonna want to buy them anymore, and I'm 198 00:10:06,519 --> 00:10:07,879 going to try to put a little pressure on them 199 00:10:07,879 --> 00:10:10,919 to donate them, possibly to San Marcos. Again, it was 200 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,840 an interesting experience. So what happened. So I'm waiting and 201 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:15,559 I'm hearing I got picked up in the morning by 202 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,600 the dean. Now that interestingly, the dean at the Ricara 203 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,960 Palmer University was also a former student at San Marcos, 204 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:28,279 used to teach at San Marcos, and when after retiring 205 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,559 quote unquote from San Marcos, he accepted a position as 206 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,759 the dean of this one of the private schools in Lima, 207 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,480 and got picked up when we drove through the city 208 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,039 of Lima itself into Munchai, where you see the poverty 209 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,120 is so frightening to see, it's so sad, and they 210 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,080 as we're going up this dirt road into what they 211 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,039 call the town center, and I've noticed a lot of 212 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,600 these communities, as poor as they are, actually have a 213 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:55,919 town center. It's for functions, it's for town meetings, and 214 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,240 they actually use it and This was a fairly newly 215 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,519 built town center and there was an outdoor area where 216 00:11:02,519 --> 00:11:07,279 they set up tables for the pre examinations, and then 217 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,080 inside they set up their surgery facility. Now, I have 218 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:14,080 to tell you the surgery facility was on par with 219 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:16,440 what I would expect to see here in the US. 220 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:18,919 I mean, it was amazing stainless steel tables that they 221 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,720 assembled because they come they weren't the hydraulic, but they 222 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,720 were beautifully stainless seal tables with hooks and poles for 223 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:29,399 the ivy fluids. They had pulse oxymmetry to monitor oxygen 224 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,679 and CO two electrocuttery. I mean, these were very very 225 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:37,440 well equipped. They had tied down the surgeons, including myself, 226 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,519 wearing cap down masks, sterile gloves. 227 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 3: I mean. 228 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:44,639 Speaker 2: The difference between the supposedly the best veterinary college in 229 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,080 the country and just one of the many of the 230 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,440 private veterinary college in Garnary Schools in Lima was night 231 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:52,840 and day and it was amazing to see and the 232 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,519 energy of these students was just infectious. 233 00:11:56,519 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 3: It was great. Anyway, time for a quick break. I 234 00:11:58,559 --> 00:11:59,080 want to hear from you. 235 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:00,799 Speaker 2: I want to hear if any of you have traveled 236 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:03,600 any parts of the world. I hear India is terrible. 237 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,639 There are places where dogs are literally all over the 238 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:10,039 place and it's so frightening. They're not getting care. And 239 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,600 I'm just curious to know from other people's experience what 240 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,840 they've seen, if they've gone to other parts of the world. 241 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:17,080 And once again, as I can't forget, I want to 242 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,639 take our sponsors for having me here today for you, 243 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,960 and that is cong Veterinari products, Great Con toys and 244 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,000 pro Sense pet products as well. And we're gonna take 245 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,879 a short break and when we come back, give me 246 00:12:27,919 --> 00:12:30,240 a call. Eight seven seven three eight five eight eight 247 00:12:30,279 --> 00:12:31,720 eight to two. I want to hear from you. I 248 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:33,639 want to hear of any experiences if you had the 249 00:12:33,799 --> 00:12:36,480 good fortune to travel to different parts of the world 250 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,480 and see what I saw in Peru. 251 00:12:39,639 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: We'll be right back. 252 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 1: We'll be right back right after these messages. Stay tuned. 253 00:12:50,159 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 4: This is my tired of itching face. 254 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:55,919 Speaker 2: Does your dog suffer from persistent itching and scratching? Allergies 255 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,240 and skin irritations caused my environment, including pollens, insects, especially flease, 256 00:13:00,639 --> 00:13:03,879 food and common household allergens are common problems and dogs. 257 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,159 It's easy to alleviate your dog's is comfort at home 258 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:09,600 with Prosins. 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That's ac TIV 315 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,320 the number four p E t s dot com or 316 00:16:04,399 --> 00:16:07,759 call eight eight eight five one two two eight four eight. 317 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,679 Speaker 8: Let's talk past, Let's done, pet Talk about Life. 318 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:35,519 Speaker 9: Radio Hetline Radio atlin Radio dot com. 319 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:36,399 Speaker 3: Hey and welcome back. 320 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: You're here with doctor Jeff Weerber, your host for now 321 00:16:38,759 --> 00:16:42,759 the next oh fifteen or fourteen so minute here at 322 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:43,559 pet Life Radios. 323 00:16:43,559 --> 00:16:44,679 Speaker 3: Ask the Beest with doctor Jeff. 324 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:47,799 Speaker 2: Before the break, we were talking about my recent trip 325 00:16:47,879 --> 00:16:50,320 speaking at the Latin American Veterinary Conference, and before the 326 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,720 actual conference, the opportunity I had to visit and work 327 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,919 with two of the eleven or so veterinary schools in 328 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,399 Lima itself, which blows my mind. And the clinic, the 329 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:02,639 neuter clinic that we did with one of the private 330 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,799 veteri schools, which was you know, I found fascinating, was 331 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,599 so uplifting for me to see the eagerness of these 332 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,839 students and the professionalism and from a medical standpoint, just 333 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,359 that the high quality of practice was just unreal. So 334 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:18,839 I worked with fifth and six year students, which are 335 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,279 towards the end. The fifth year students were on Anesesa tract. 336 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,759 So these students are picking the dogs up, they are 337 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,759 examining them, listening to their chests, taking blood test on 338 00:17:26,799 --> 00:17:30,119 every single animal, doing the ANAESTHESI just starting hooking up 339 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:31,079 to the monitoring equipment. 340 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 3: I mean it was just as we would. 341 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,319 Speaker 2: Do here really and then carry the dogs into the 342 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,079 quote unquote churgical facility. We had three tables set up, 343 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,920 all stainless steel, all with ivy fluids, electric cautery. 344 00:17:41,039 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: I mean, they had everything that we. 345 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 2: Needed and the students were assisting us do the neuters, 346 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:47,200 and I was teaching them some of the tricks that 347 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,119 I've learned over the years. As I said, very very 348 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:55,000 receptive sterile surgery packs for each animal. It was really amazing. 349 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,599 I don't think they were doing it just for me. 350 00:17:56,839 --> 00:17:58,519 I really think that they were. This is how they 351 00:17:58,519 --> 00:18:00,680 were learning. And first of all, I learned a lot 352 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,279 of things about the profession. There A lot of people 353 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:05,920 want to be veterinarians, obviously, and because they have so 354 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,960 many schools, it's very easily doable. The problem is, A, 355 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:13,160 they are not enough jobs. There are so many veterinarians 356 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,839 out there without work. And B even if they get jobs, 357 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,880 the pay is really I mean, it's so substandard compared 358 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,119 to what we are used to here in America. And 359 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,680 the fees, accordingly, are also very very low. It made 360 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:30,839 me more impressed when I got a chance to visit 361 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,759 two private veterinarian hospitals, how well they were equipped and 362 00:18:34,799 --> 00:18:37,400 how well they were doing, considering it's very tough. One 363 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,000 of the doctors that I worked with, he works with 364 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:43,160 his father, father is a semi retired veterinarian. 365 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: Mother sort of runs. 366 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 2: The show as far as the business side. His sister 367 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:51,000 works with them as well as a veterinarian. So it's crazy, 368 00:18:51,319 --> 00:18:53,640 and I wonder how with all these schools and all 369 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:57,519 these graduates and already there's not enough work. It baffles 370 00:18:57,559 --> 00:19:00,839 me as to what the point is. Think the private 371 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,200 schools are opening because they know students want to do it, 372 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,519 and they're getting the money. The good news is they 373 00:19:05,519 --> 00:19:08,680 are really pouring some of that money back into the 374 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:12,400 educational program, back into equipment. So I found these schools, 375 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,240 the private school at least of when I work with 376 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:16,440 and I hear it is similar for most of the 377 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,200 others that are equally as equipped. But I found there 378 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,680 was just a difference in the students maybe I don't know, 379 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,839 maybe fear that they can easily lose their spot if 380 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,480 they don't perform. But they were so upbeat, and I 381 00:19:29,519 --> 00:19:33,960 think that working in a happy, well equipped, clean environment 382 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,359 also makes you feel better. And I just not get 383 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:41,319 the same vibe from the much older you know, obviously, 384 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,759 as I mentioned, the oldest school in the America is 385 00:19:43,759 --> 00:19:47,279 the oldest university in the Americas, and it just didn't 386 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:50,319 seem that they had that same energy, if you will. 387 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:53,920 And walking and driving around Peru, there are so many 388 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:57,079 quote unquote private universities and they pop up all over 389 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:58,880 and some have like you know, I say, now at 390 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,319 general do they have a better so they don't a 391 00:20:00,319 --> 00:20:02,799 better school. They're more for economics, or they're more for 392 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,559 business or finance, and so they all have their themes, 393 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:09,240 if you will, not just a major within a university, 394 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,400 but it's the university itself. So if you are thinking 395 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,440 about going to finance, you would apply only to the 396 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,400 schools like that one. So it is it's almost like 397 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,079 veterinary school in the sense that when you apply out 398 00:20:19,079 --> 00:20:23,440 of high school, you're already expected to choose a major, 399 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,720 and that Asia City veteran medicine. So you go to 400 00:20:26,759 --> 00:20:29,240 a school that basically specializes in veteran medicine or has 401 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,880 a better medical college there. Well, it's the same thing 402 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,720 for some of these other universities. As you're applying to universities. 403 00:20:34,759 --> 00:20:37,079 It's not a major within a four year college. It 404 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,079 is the college itself and what it's best known for. 405 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:42,960 So I just found it very fascinating. As far as 406 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,720 the conference, it was terrific, so much energy, a lot 407 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,839 of young veterinarians, which was great and very eager. Now 408 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,079 I'm unfortunately I don't speak Spanish. I understand a little bit, 409 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:57,319 I don't speak Spanish well enough certainly to lecture in Spanish. 410 00:20:57,319 --> 00:20:59,319 So we had an interpreter who apparently was pretty good. 411 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,480 But you know, it's it's hard for it's hard to 412 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,759 when you're out of anyone who has ever done this, 413 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:06,400 if you were listening, had to speak in another language 414 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,480 and waiting for the interpreter, because first of all, there's 415 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:09,119 always into delay. 416 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:11,759 Speaker 3: So you know, with me and I try to be 417 00:21:11,839 --> 00:21:13,440 upbeat and actually a little funny. 418 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: Sometimes and I'll say something that I thought was very 419 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:19,079 humorous and there's dead pand no response, and all of 420 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,079 a sudden, like five seconds later, they started laughing. So 421 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,480 at least the interpreter was able to, uh, I guess, 422 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:27,039 bring out the humor in what I was saying. Oftentimes, 423 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:29,240 when you work with an interpreter, they are just speaking 424 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,960 like monotone. So if part of what you say is 425 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,759 a delivery, then they don't get it. It's kind of awkward. 426 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,920 But overall, I would tell you it was really, really 427 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,319 a good experience. And I'm amazed at how many questions 428 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,680 people coming up. And I lecture here in the US 429 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,799 all the time, and yeah, a couple of people come up. 430 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,920 And but the other thing which I found was so 431 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:52,839 funny is to have an American veterinarian and one with I. 432 00:21:52,759 --> 00:21:54,079 Speaker 3: Guess some visibility. 433 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 2: I guesscuse the TV stuff that I do, and you know, 434 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,400 having worked being being Lassi and Doctor Oz and all 435 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,960 the news things that I've done in my own TV 436 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,799 show an Animal Planet, It's almost like that celebrity asset. 437 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,720 All these bests want to come up and take pictures. 438 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,759 There must be seventy pictures, eighty one hundred pictures out there. 439 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:10,599 I have no idea of what really putting him, but 440 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,680 everybody wanted to get a picture, which I thought was 441 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:13,440 kind of fun too. 442 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 3: But it was a overall a great experience. 443 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 2: And then I, of course, if we're in Peru, we're 444 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:22,039 not going to stop justin Limba. So we had an opportunity, 445 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,559 my wife and I we went up to We went 446 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:26,440 to Cusco, which is one of the highest cities in 447 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,000 the America. Is it's eleven thousand feet. I just think 448 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,279 they called Denver the mile high City. It's five thousand 449 00:22:31,279 --> 00:22:35,680 plus feet above sea level. This is over eleven thousand feet. 450 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:39,559 It's twice it's the two mile high City. It's just amazing, 451 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,799 so so much so that there's always a big problem 452 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,200 with what they call altitude sickness, and people get light headed, 453 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:47,920 they get headaches at nausea. Fortunately it didn't happen to us. 454 00:22:48,079 --> 00:22:50,799 There is a medication that is often recommended. It's called 455 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:52,599 a seat zola mine, which we didn't take for a 456 00:22:52,599 --> 00:22:55,279 few days before, but we felt actually nothing. 457 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 3: It was actually pretty cool. And then we went to Mantupichu. 458 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: And when we were in in Peru about five years 459 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,839 earlier in the Amazon, we did not have an opportunity 460 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:05,640 to go to Couscor mats Piccu, so it was really 461 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,240 great to be able to go there. And it's an 462 00:23:08,279 --> 00:23:12,279 ancient city that was discovered by a Yale professor and 463 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,400 Hiram Bingham. And what's amazing is how technically built from 464 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:21,200 a drainage aqueduct perspective, from a quick perspective, because it's 465 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:24,640 right on a fault, and how much they knew and 466 00:23:24,839 --> 00:23:26,319 to this day the city stands. 467 00:23:26,319 --> 00:23:27,039 Speaker 3: It's unreal. 468 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,759 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it's in a sense of the last city because 469 00:23:29,799 --> 00:23:32,480 when the Spaniards came in, everybody fled and there are 470 00:23:32,599 --> 00:23:36,440 very few records of anything about the culture other than 471 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:39,519 what can be learned from the structures, the location of 472 00:23:39,559 --> 00:23:43,640 the structures, the aqueduct system. How this city has withstood 473 00:23:43,799 --> 00:23:46,279 the test of time for so many years. Again, it 474 00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,440 wasn't discovered till this Yale professor. I think it was 475 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:51,440 early nineteen hundreds, it might be nineteen eleven, something like that. 476 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,359 Very fascinating, and it was just great. It was beautiful 477 00:23:55,559 --> 00:23:57,160 and we had a lot of pictures. It was a 478 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,559 terrific place. It was so much fun to visit. Anyway, 479 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,480 it was a great experience. I'm here with you next 480 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,759 week as well, and then I'm off to Bangkok, Thailand 481 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,160 to speak the World Small Animal Veteran Association meeting. We 482 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,200 will have a lot to report. I've never been to 483 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,160 that part of the world. Should be pretty cool. I'm 484 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,599 also most likely next year it looks like I'm maybe 485 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:19,960 speaking at one of the big comferences in Mexico. The 486 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,559 one beautiful thing about speaking at some of these foreign 487 00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,640 international conferences is that typically there is going to be 488 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,759 someone there who is actively involved in one of the 489 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:30,240 other world comferences. And if they hear you speak and 490 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:32,440 they like what they see, they like what they hear, 491 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,240 they like the energy, they will ask you if you 492 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:36,480 wouldn't mind speaking at their conference. And it's so far 493 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:38,200 it's been a snowball effect for me and It's been 494 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,480 great because I'm having the opportunity to go to places 495 00:24:40,519 --> 00:24:43,640 I probably otherwise wouldn't go, and you just learn about 496 00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,359 so many cultures, and I of course just love to 497 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,279 see just veteran medicine in general, how it is so 498 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,880 unique in different places, and how it is similar versus 499 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,079 and how different it is from our own not only practice, 500 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,720 but from an education standpoint as well. 501 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 3: And it was just a great ex experience. 502 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: So if next week, if you wanted to send me 503 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,200 an email and share any information, we'll read things online. 504 00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:08,279 Free pro Sense product goes out to do. Free come product, 505 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:09,920 we'll go out to do as well. Give us some 506 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,000 time because we have to get them from the manufacturer. 507 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,640 And other than that, I just want to thank you 508 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,599 all for joining me. We were still in the middle 509 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,680 of our talk on the respiratory complexes and physicians, which 510 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,480 we will probably go back to next week. 511 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get us a guest. 512 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 2: From one of the other hosts here at pet Life 513 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:29,599 Radio and. 514 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: Do some fun stuff. If that happens, we'll delay. 515 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: The medical stuff and depending one who I get as 516 00:25:36,759 --> 00:25:40,440 a guest, we'll talk about something very appropriate for your pets. 517 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: Once again, thanks for joining me here. 518 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 2: You're listening to doctor Jeff Forber, host of Askebts with 519 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,359 Doctor Jeff Here on preet Life Radio. 520 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:48,559 Speaker 3: Thanks for listening and we'll be here next week. 521 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,279 Speaker 9: Have a great week. 522 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 8: Let's talk bets every week on demand only on Petlife 523 00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,000 Radio dot com. 524 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:01,759 Speaker 2: The game has called me