WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:05.839 Meaning a light Man like this man letting butterfly flapping 2 00:00:05.879 --> 00:00:07.960 his wing big down in the forest. Man, it gonna 3 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:11.080 cause the tree fold, letting five thousand miles away. Man, 4 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:18.440 you think nobody seen nobody else, and you don't need 5 00:00:18.519 --> 00:00:19.640 no man. 6 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:22.039 You follow the story and. 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:25.160 You got back to flect that that's win. Man got 8 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:27.000 black and dag on the panel. Man, Man, you don't 9 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:27.839 don't matter. 10 00:00:27.879 --> 00:00:38.479 Man. You know, Carl, Uh, I don't know if people 11 00:00:38.560 --> 00:00:41.479 remembered that you and I are allowed to do uh 12 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.159 structured numbered episodes. 13 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:47.119 Yeah, that's uh, it's been a while. It's been a 14 00:00:47.119 --> 00:00:50.520 while having a topic planning ahead. 15 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.600 Yeah, yeah, there's something to it. You know, maybe one 16 00:00:55.640 --> 00:00:59.799 day it'll catch on the uh. Although it's funny. I 17 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:06.760 have been getting insistent dms from several people about you 18 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:11.920 and I doing another gun broker show. Yeah, just find 19 00:01:12.040 --> 00:01:13.000 funny listenings. 20 00:01:13.640 --> 00:01:18.280 Yes, yes, I've been looking at those. But anyway, yes, 21 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:22.120 it's a source of endless amusement. But as I sort 22 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:24.280 of hint today, we were actually here to talk about 23 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:29.239 a subject topic and that is one of my favorite films. 24 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:35.680 The two thousand and seven Brazilian classic Elite Squad, also 25 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:40.879 known as Trope a day Elite for reference, this is 26 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.120 a large part of the team that would later go 27 00:01:44.239 --> 00:01:47.840 on to make I Believe City of God, and a 28 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:51.040 lot of these guys have have become, you know, much 29 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.959 more prominent filmmakers. This, as far as I understand, I'm 30 00:01:55.000 --> 00:02:01.200 Not Brazilian, is sort of seen as the Brazilian god Father, right, 31 00:02:01.920 --> 00:02:06.000 kind of the the archetypal Brazilian crime movie. 32 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:09.759 I love the film. We'll obviously get into it, but 33 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:14.759 just as kind of a broad overview, it concerns a 34 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:20.960 actual Brazilian death squad. Bope, you have seen photos of 35 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.120 these guys before. They do crazy stuff all the time, 36 00:02:25.159 --> 00:02:29.159 you know, primarily going after you know, narcos and criminal gangs. 37 00:02:29.159 --> 00:02:32.360 There was recently, as in a year and a half 38 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:36.919 or two years ago, a big fight between actually several 39 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.680 of the factions we see in this movie. I believe, 40 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:42.960 I think it's called Red Faction, which is like a 41 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:47.400 technically communist narco gang. And then Bope, we're talking like 42 00:02:47.520 --> 00:02:50.759 hundreds of casualties in urban warfare. You know, you've got 43 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.319 like Brazilian guys with like Madsen machine guns just laying 44 00:02:54.400 --> 00:02:58.319 down fire and flavellas. So this is a fictionalized account, 45 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.800 but only kind of. So anyway, Carl, I'm curious before 46 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:05.879 we jump into it, had you ever seen this movie 47 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:08.280 and what were your thoughts on it? I, you know what, 48 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:09.599 I saw it a long time ago. 49 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:14.919 I saw it when you were probably too young to 50 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:20.599 read subtitles, and I was blown First of all, I 51 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:24.159 was blown away with it because even twenty you know, 52 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:27.360 well eighteen years ago, seventeen years ago when I would 53 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:29.479 have seen I would have seen it around twenty ten probably, 54 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.800 you know, this stuff was very well known. Brazil was 55 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:40.400 the cautionary tale of what America would become. And people 56 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:44.719 are destined to make us right like that it's being 57 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:49.000 insisted upon. But instead of people living in favelas where 58 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:54.120 they build you know, shanties that we of the kind 59 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:56.639 that we see in this film, you know, in America, 60 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.280 it's all paid for by, you know, from our taxes. 61 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:05.000 The really interesting thing is Bope is a They are 62 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:09.039 military police, but not in the sense in America when 63 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:13.599 you think of MPs. They mostly focus on you know, 64 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:18.240 handling members of the military, right whether it's on base 65 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:20.879 or going off base to deal with them when they're 66 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:27.879 getting getting a little wacky. No they are a basically 67 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:33.319 public security but through the military, so they have a 68 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:40.160 huge amount of a huge amount of leeway, let's say, 69 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:45.040 in dealing with with things, and very villainized by the 70 00:04:45.079 --> 00:04:50.959 Brazilian lib tards, of which there are legion given given 71 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.839 the state of Brazil and the fact that they've had 72 00:04:54.959 --> 00:05:03.160 they've been dealing with basically insurgencies for gosh, seventy eighty 73 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:09.079 years in Brazil. So yeah, it's it's pretty wild stuff. 74 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:14.480 And you know, the takeaway that I have from this film, 75 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:17.160 there's takeaways that you can come to that are you know, 76 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:20.600 top level like kind of like we were discussing before, 77 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:25.800 you know, practical responses to reality, but then they're the 78 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:28.519 main takeaway that I have is that Brazil is hell 79 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:33.319 on Earth and you cannot let that happen here. Yeah. 80 00:05:33.319 --> 00:05:37.160 So the broad plot to this, it's that the Pope 81 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:41.000 is coming to Rome and he's going to stay with 82 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:47.360 the archbishop near one of the most violent fabellas in Rio. 83 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:51.240 And the joke is, of course, like you know, the 84 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:56.279 Pope sleep can't be disturbed, and so effectively it's a 85 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:02.199 it's a massive cleanup operation. We have sort of two 86 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:03.639 main storylines. 87 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:04.399 We have. 88 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:07.800 He's me, I've got hiccups, which I'm sure will be 89 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:11.519 incredibly annoying to listen to anyway, So, of course we 90 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:15.480 have the kind of A and B plot. The established 91 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:19.399 character is Captain Roberto Nacimento. 92 00:06:20.759 --> 00:06:21.360 Just off rip. 93 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.360 You guys are aware I cannot pronounce I can barely 94 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:29.399 pronounce English, let alone Portuguese, so bear with me. He 95 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:34.839 is an established kind of bope commander and he has 96 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:40.279 been looking for a replacement. His wife is pregnant. He's 97 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:42.480 we find out of the course of the film, sort 98 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.560 of developed a you know, a painkiller addiction to sort 99 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.959 of cope with this. And so we see him looking 100 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.959 for a successor, right, looking for someone who can sort of, 101 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.519 you know, take his place in this grinding war with 102 00:06:55.560 --> 00:07:00.279 the cartel. And our B plot is the two other 103 00:07:00.560 --> 00:07:07.519 kind of main characters, these these rookie police officers Andre 104 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:12.759 and Nito. Again, it's in Portuguese. We both watched it 105 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:17.000 with subtitles because we're adults. There is an English version 106 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:23.000 floating around. It is thoroughly adequate, but you know, I 107 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:28.519 prefer the original. And the story begins sort of in 108 00:07:28.680 --> 00:07:32.639 media race, right. We'll get more backstory after this opening scene, 109 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:37.399 and it is an all time great opening scene. Actually, Carl, 110 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.160 I don't know if you remember all the way back 111 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:44.439 when we had our conversation about your book Faction with 112 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.240 the Crusaders by book, one of the things that I 113 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:50.959 complimented on you, or complimented you on rather, was you 114 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:55.319 had a really good, strong, opening scene, sort of set 115 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:58.519 the mood. I didn't say it, but in my head, 116 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.560 I was thinking, it's a lot like Elite Squad, where 117 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:04.600 you have this incredible, you know, sort of action set 118 00:08:04.600 --> 00:08:07.600 piece that pulls you in and then later we explain 119 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.480 how our characters got there, so obligatory by the book. 120 00:08:11.560 --> 00:08:15.560 It's good, it's interesting, probably the only direct relation between 121 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:19.959 these two, at least for now. But I will say 122 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:24.199 the scene is awesome. You have a group of different 123 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.720 police officers sort of coming together in this block party. 124 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:33.080 The song in the block party is is reprised several 125 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.360 times through the movie. Yeah, it is so catchy, man, 126 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:40.320 it's a it's an earworm. 127 00:08:40.080 --> 00:08:44.279 But it's awful too. It's it's yeah, exactly horrible, but 128 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:48.080 but the rhythm of it is super catchy. It it 129 00:08:48.279 --> 00:08:51.759 is hell because if you and here's the thing is 130 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.519 I took the time to look it up. It's a 131 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.879 very famous song from the nineties of basically Favella gangsta rap, 132 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:05.759 basically talking about it's rapta armas, so it's about guns 133 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:11.600 and and so it's it's it's gangster nonsense, just with 134 00:09:11.759 --> 00:09:15.440 extra vowels appended to the end of every word. You 135 00:09:15.480 --> 00:09:19.720 know it it's like a beat, yeah, and a salsa 136 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:24.159 beat and and and it's it is an earworm, but 137 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.720 it's also horrible at the same time, which it which 138 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:35.840 is this degrading, degrading third world experience that that is 139 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.879 is so immersive in this movie. The lighting I was 140 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.600 telling Jay before we started the lighting in this if 141 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:47.120 you've ever spent time in the third world will give 142 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:49.480 you you will be so immersed in this and you'll 143 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:53.879 be having flashbacks and you're like, god, I hate this place. 144 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:55.120 It's awful. 145 00:09:57.080 --> 00:09:59.080 And so what we see is there's sort of this 146 00:09:59.240 --> 00:10:02.799 roiling part already going on. You know, there's a stage 147 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:09.639 and overlooking it. Again, the architecture is a strong word. 148 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:15.159 The technical human constructions will go with that. Yes, is 149 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:18.279 extremely accurate. Right, if you've ever been to South America 150 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:21.120 and seeing these sort of in communities, but you have 151 00:10:21.480 --> 00:10:23.600 this sort of you know, party on the side of 152 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:28.720 a slope, and up at the top there are some gangsters. Right, 153 00:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.200 there's also a police car. And what we sort of 154 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:36.320 realize is happening is that these police officers are effectively 155 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:39.919 selling guns, right, I have that, correct, Carl, Yeah, correct, 156 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.759 to these gangsters. So right from the beginning we are 157 00:10:42.759 --> 00:10:46.799 seeing this sort of endemic corruption within the police force. 158 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:49.320 And in the part the important thing is in this party, 159 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:52.679 in this favella, which is filled with hundreds of people 160 00:10:53.440 --> 00:11:01.240 of you know, let's say. 161 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.799 You can'tically brillion Brazilian descent. 162 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:06.639 Yeah, yes, authentically Brazilian, and that you have no idea 163 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:10.000 you you know that there's at least at least three 164 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:12.840 races going on there. And it's smell crazy in there, 165 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:19.039 and and the and the gangsters are like dancing with 166 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:25.960 like M sixteen's and uh and like aks and stuff 167 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:27.720 like that. It's it's crazy. 168 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:33.159 And so as this this deal goes down, we see 169 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:38.399 our two you know, ostensible main characters, right, uh, Nido 170 00:11:38.519 --> 00:11:42.919 and Andre uh looking down through a scoped rifle. 171 00:11:43.240 --> 00:11:43.360 Right. 172 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:46.960 They are not aware of what's really going on here, right, 173 00:11:47.320 --> 00:11:50.480 They just see you know, gangsters coming up with guns. 174 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:53.759 The situation sort of escalates and they shoot one of 175 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:58.960 the gangsters and all hell breaks loose instantly, well least 176 00:11:58.960 --> 00:12:03.000 start shooting, the gangsters start shooting. It is probably the 177 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:06.759 closest relevant cinematic experience I could think is something like 178 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:11.440 something like Blackhawk Down, but it is way less organized 179 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:14.759 than that. Yes, you have people running. The guns in 180 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:18.480 this are particularly interesting into a lot of actual Brazilian stuff. 181 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.120 So some of the gangsters obviously have like you know, 182 00:12:21.240 --> 00:12:23.320 AC five five sixes, which is you know, a ruger 183 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:26.600 you know, kind of mini fourteen auto mini oozzies. But 184 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:29.000 I don't know if you picked up on this. The 185 00:12:29.240 --> 00:12:31.960 uh submachine gun that one of the corrupt cops is 186 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:39.759 carrying is a Brazilian knockoff of the Danish Madson submachine gun. Yeah, yeah, 187 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.960 And I looked into it. It is the most comedically 188 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.480 crude weapon in the world when I was looking into it. 189 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:51.919 It is made of basically two like like stamped sheet 190 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:57.240 steel shells that are just kind of held together, and 191 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:02.000 then the nut that holds on the barrel also holds 192 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:06.039 them together together. Apparently, I don't know anything about this. 193 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.240 This is what the Internet tells me. Uh, you don't 194 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:12.600 take it off the right way, it will dude across 195 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:15.440 the room and yeah, vomit all the parts out there. 196 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:18.720 Yeah yeah, yeah, because it has like a two pound 197 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:22.960 square bolt. They're they're very they're very clever. And and 198 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:26.080 the date it is the Danish Madsen. That was just 199 00:13:27.080 --> 00:13:31.519 some were made, some were made by Madson and provided 200 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.399 there they have this old history with Brazil going back 201 00:13:34.440 --> 00:13:37.159 along ways. Then there was a local version and it's 202 00:13:37.240 --> 00:13:40.519 literally stampshell. There's like wing nuts on it and stuff 203 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:43.519 like that. By the the folding stock and everything. It's 204 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:48.000 incredibly crude and simple but worked very well. You can 205 00:13:48.080 --> 00:13:50.679 also see him in The Godfather. They have nine millimeter 206 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:51.840 versions in The Godfather. 207 00:13:53.679 --> 00:13:58.600 So this just descends. We see our two main characters 208 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.559 sort of frantically running through the favela. They're getting you know, 209 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.200 closed in on. They're just firing blindly up and down 210 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.879 these side alleys, and then Bope shows up and the 211 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:14.320 whole scene changes, right, they're just again it's sort of 212 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:16.240 like a real life version of you ever seen that 213 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:20.840 movie gene Row, you know, the Wolf Brigade. They're basically 214 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:24.240 a death squad. And after that scene wraps up, of course, 215 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.120 and that's sort of you know, we see them, you know, 216 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.440 see Bope, and it's like, oh wow, that was you know, 217 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.559 this special unit I didn't even know about. We go 218 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:36.919 back to, you know, both of these guys joining the 219 00:14:37.000 --> 00:14:40.559 police force, right in this kind of normal, just kind 220 00:14:40.559 --> 00:14:43.960 of run of the mill police station, and they're each 221 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:48.080 assigned to very kind of you know, menial duties, right 222 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:53.320 Nido I. He is put in charge of the police complaints, 223 00:14:53.679 --> 00:14:56.879 which is probably the closest thing to comedy in this movie. 224 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.799 You know, both the absurd numbers of police planes and 225 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.559 also just the blatant corruption. Like one of the things 226 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:08.399 we see happen in this film is that anytime someone 227 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:12.080 is killed, the first police that find it, they don't 228 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:14.600 actually report it or do anything with it. They just 229 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:19.240 move the body into someone else's district, right, Yeah. 230 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:23.039 They try to find an excuse or an explanation where 231 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.480 they're like there wasn't there one where they're like, well, 232 00:15:25.519 --> 00:15:28.639 there's a river there and it probably came from it. Yeah, yeah, 233 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:33.080 it's he's round. Well. The thing is the numbers are 234 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.080 so high because again this is these favelas that are 235 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:40.240 just run by these drug gangs. Their murder rate is 236 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:47.720 crazy down there. It's just completely lawless. And that's really 237 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.519 what they're trying. They're trying to really push this so 238 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.600 that you so that you take this away and internalize 239 00:15:55.639 --> 00:16:00.879 it is that Bope is brutal, but they're the only honest, 240 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:06.399 polite and competent police here. There's this whole element like 241 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.960 at the same time where you know, one of the 242 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:13.759 guys has to work in the auto shop, like maintaining 243 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:17.519 the police cars, and like police officers will like have 244 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:21.279 the engine, the good engine swapped out at a shop 245 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.399 and pocket the difference in money that they get paid 246 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.399 and have a crappy you know, like two hundred thousand 247 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:31.799 mile engine put in and stuff. It's completely crazy, just constant. 248 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:33.159 Oh yeah. 249 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.159 And the other the other officer, he's in the in 250 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:40.039 the motor pool. And you know, one of the other 251 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.919 things that you see is that like basically the the 252 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:47.399 motor pool is, as you've said, completely dysfunctional, right, that 253 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:50.639 people are stealing parts off of you know, the new cars. 254 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:53.240 Everything is just a hodgepodge for a million different pieces. 255 00:16:53.679 --> 00:16:56.200 But the one thing that has to be perfectly maintained 256 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:58.120 is the police chiefs car. 257 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.759 Yeah, his motorcycle, yeah yeah, yeah. 258 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.359 And it's it's just this kind of absurd level of corruption. 259 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:09.400 And you know that one of the officers, uh you know, 260 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:12.519 basically you know, goes out on patrol with you know, 261 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.920 one of the you know, the higher ranking officials, and 262 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:19.920 we see basically this large dispute over uh, you know, 263 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:22.759 towing companies. That this in itself is a massive scam, 264 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.920 right that the police officers are you know, towing cars, 265 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:30.759 issuing tickets, pocketing the money and are as we've seen 266 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.640 at the start of this movie in bed with you know, 267 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:36.240 local gangsters, and in fact, we find out that that 268 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:41.680 whole shootout basically started because they saw that you know, 269 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:47.440 one of their coworkers was in bed right, that he 270 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:49.960 was you know, meeting with local you know gangsters, that 271 00:17:50.039 --> 00:17:52.599 he was giving them weapons, that he was tipping them 272 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:54.759 off as to when you know, the police were coming. 273 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.240 And you know, these guys get incensed by it, and 274 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.599 that's why after they you know, they attempt themselves to go, 275 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:06.640 you know, follow this corrupt officer creates this giant shootout. 276 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:10.119 They see Bobe come in and that's why they're like, oh, 277 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.519 I want to join, right, So that's the the sort 278 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:17.759 of plot component to that in the background, we find 279 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:23.960 out that one of our characters, Nido is uh he 280 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:27.319 is in law school, right, so he is played as 281 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:32.119 very idealistic and he wants to basically, you know, go 282 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.400 from being a street officer to a sort of like 283 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:39.119 a prosecutor, right to sort of you know, continue his 284 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.559 kind of fight against crime. And the scenes at the 285 00:18:43.720 --> 00:18:49.720 university are legitimately hilarious. Carl like this movie. There's a 286 00:18:49.880 --> 00:18:52.599 there's a cheap reading of this movie that it's about 287 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:56.160 you know, police brutality, and it kind of is, but 288 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:00.480 not really at all. It heaps scorn on the kind 289 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:02.960 of Brazilian middle and upper classes you know, who go 290 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:05.759 to university and love to read Fuko and talk about how, 291 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:08.640 you know, criminal justice is just a way to to 292 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.559 keep the to keep the little man down. But uh, 293 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:13.519 do you want to talk about you know, his scenes 294 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.640 at college because I like the probably some of the 295 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.240 most interesting, you know, kind of dialogue in the film. 296 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:30.519 Yeah, so I thought m on Andre is Andre Matias, right, 297 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.319 is the is the based black who goes to law 298 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:39.319 school and he and he's from the favelas he knows 299 00:19:39.599 --> 00:19:45.200 this world, and we find out that he wants to 300 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:49.319 buy uh, he wants to take a kid who is 301 00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:52.319 involved in this program that some of the you know, 302 00:19:52.839 --> 00:19:56.799 the hot girls in law school with him, who are 303 00:19:56.880 --> 00:20:04.759 these upper middle class twits lib tards have this There's 304 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.359 some sort of an NGO that they work for in 305 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:12.240 the It's kind of nebulous as to what they actually do, 306 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:15.160 although they have classes with kids and help them with 307 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:19.400 homework and stuff like that, but it's basically done with 308 00:20:19.519 --> 00:20:22.680 the permission of the drug lord in the area. And 309 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:27.720 so Andre Matias wants to get a pair of glasses. 310 00:20:27.799 --> 00:20:30.720 He wears these big, thick glasses, and he wants to 311 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:35.559 get glasses for another kid who is basically like him 312 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:38.880 as a child that he sees him that way, and 313 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:41.960 so he has this perspective. He's like, I know the 314 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:45.799 way these places work. I know where this comes from. Yes, 315 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:48.759 they're a corrupt police, but there's also good police, and 316 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:52.640 corrupt police doesn't excuse the crime and corruption that you 317 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:55.799 see not only here but everywhere in our whole society. 318 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:59.160 And all the lip chards are like no police bad. 319 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:03.000 That's like literally there there the level of thought that 320 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:06.440 they have, which is which is one of those things 321 00:21:06.559 --> 00:21:09.640 Jay that I think is really important that we need 322 00:21:09.720 --> 00:21:15.680 to internalize here is because there's this this delusion that 323 00:21:15.960 --> 00:21:18.400 that you hear expressed all the time on kind of 324 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:20.920 the American I'll just broadly call it the right right 325 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:24.920 where they say, you know, let things get bad enough. 326 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:29.240 It's the it's the acceleration COPE. Let things get bad 327 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:32.039 enough and then everyone will be outraged and will like 328 00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:36.359 stop it. And it's like no, Brazil, South Africa, like 329 00:21:36.720 --> 00:21:40.039 you have earnest libtards in these places who deal with 330 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.920 this stuff all the time. You know, they see it 331 00:21:44.279 --> 00:21:48.640 all the time, but they still you know, make excuses 332 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:54.720 and uh you know. So Andre Matias is like, no, 333 00:21:55.599 --> 00:22:00.599 no excuses. And he starts out being really quiet while 334 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:03.000 this stuff is happening because he wants to fit in. 335 00:22:03.720 --> 00:22:06.160 He wants to you know, go with the flow. He 336 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.640 doesn't want to argue constantly or he'll debate quietly. But 337 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:13.559 it like escalates over time as it not only and 338 00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:15.400 that the way they put it in the film is 339 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:20.119 not only because of his belief, but he becomes a 340 00:22:20.279 --> 00:22:30.200 member of BOPE and and he transforms into a warrior basically. Yeah. 341 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:34.720 And one of the interesting things is that one of 342 00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:38.119 the corrupt officers who is sort of at the center 343 00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:40.799 of the shootout, because basically what we find out happens 344 00:22:41.359 --> 00:22:44.160 is that when our two main characters find out about 345 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:50.839 the corruption, they effectively steal the bribe money, right and 346 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:54.799 use that to actually fix up the motor pool. And 347 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:58.400 this is blamed on the corrupt officer who ends up, 348 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.279 you know, going into the Flabella actually sent there as punishment, right, 349 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.720 because this is a dangerous duty by the higher ups. 350 00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:09.599 This guy also sort of goes to try out with 351 00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:15.039 Bope and the training montage is from what I've seen, 352 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:16.799 because there's actually a decent amount of footage of this 353 00:23:17.000 --> 00:23:20.079 incredibly accurate, like even them, you know, doing things like 354 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:22.720 standing in the swamp. You know, that's something that you 355 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:26.160 can see in documentary footage, right, it's pretty much one 356 00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:29.039 to one accurate. But that process of weeding them out, 357 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:32.240 one of the things that happens is that they're also 358 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.559 being weeded out for corruption. And so this one officer, 359 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:37.400 I can't remember his name, it's something, ends with an 360 00:23:37.599 --> 00:23:41.920 avowal and he is explicitly pulled out by Nacimento as corrupt. 361 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:48.160 You know, he sends him home. So the interactions what 362 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:53.920 we see is that basically throughout the film, Nido is 363 00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.000 living sort of a double life. He is not necessarily 364 00:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.000 told his college friends that, you know, he is a 365 00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.839 police officer, and so at least initially they sort of 366 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:10.920 he is. We see that sort of dissonance, right where 367 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:14.200 these people who live in safegated communities and go to 368 00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:17.599 you know, an expensive school and then only venture into 369 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.480 the Flabella's to basically do kind of self aggrandizing charity 370 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.359 work have really no idea what it's like very clearly, uh, 371 00:24:27.000 --> 00:24:30.920 And it's kind of interesting because what we later find 372 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:33.720 out sort of towards the climax of the film is 373 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:40.440 that even these even these rich kids are there, they 374 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:45.519 are the ones funding these these you know, drug trafficking, right, 375 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.720 They're the ones buying drugs to use it parties. And 376 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:51.519 you know, very explicitly we see the train from kind 377 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:54.880 of like a small time college dealer to you know, 378 00:24:55.000 --> 00:25:00.200 the local drug kingpin, right, and that connection so you 379 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:02.200 we'll get to it later, but sort of builds up 380 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.440 to the kind of climactic conclusion of this film. But 381 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:11.119 I think it's interesting that for a movie ostensibly about 382 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.799 you know, unaccountable police violence, and you know, that is 383 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.720 often how it has read, particularly in the West, the 384 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.359 people causing so many of these problems are basically college 385 00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:24.480 educated libtards. 386 00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.599 Yeah right, They are the. 387 00:25:25.599 --> 00:25:27.680 Ones who, out of one side of their mouth are 388 00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:32.440 restricting the ability of violence to sort of set order 389 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.160 to this and then also funding it through their kind 390 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:39.559 of own like Libertine ends. And I think that it's 391 00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:43.480 the conclusion to this film is interesting, and like I said, 392 00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.279 we'll get to it, but basically it is about the 393 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:53.440 process of hardening yourself to the point where you can 394 00:25:53.559 --> 00:25:57.960 become the sort of the kind of man who can 395 00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:02.599 restore order, and that happens. There's there's no half measure 396 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.279 that will solve any of these problems. And certainly the 397 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.880 film is part is fatalistic, right, because the system is 398 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:12.640 so corrupt and so violent. But I think that that, 399 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.480 you know, is really the soul of the film is 400 00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:17.480 we're watching Neto over the course of it sort of 401 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.880 shed his idealism, right, shed this sort of unrealistic dream about, 402 00:26:22.200 --> 00:26:24.200 you know, being a poor kid from a favella, than 403 00:26:24.240 --> 00:26:27.920 a police officer, than a than a prosecutor. His realization 404 00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:30.480 is basically, I have to become a killer, like that 405 00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.519 is the way that you know, I can fight this 406 00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.039 and fix this because evil must be stamped out. That 407 00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:42.279 is the conclusion, right. It's it's an oddly I mean 408 00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:44.400 say this euphemistically, Carl, but it's it's sort of a 409 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:46.160 fascistic film. It is. 410 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:49.079 No, I agree completely, and and that's the that's the 411 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:53.519 whole thing with the film is everything they they are 412 00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:58.319 proven right every step of the way. You know, you know, 413 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:03.440 the the meme that came to my mind is dehumanize 414 00:27:03.519 --> 00:27:08.599 yourself and face to bloodshed, right, and that's that's literally 415 00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:13.519 the solution to all this because they they go into 416 00:27:14.079 --> 00:27:18.720 a they go into a I'll charitably call it a 417 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:24.400 rooftop hut where there's a where there's a kid who 418 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:27.160 has a pair of shoes that cost like three hundred 419 00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.400 and fifty dollars and it's the only like clean, bright 420 00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:35.039 thing in the room, right, Like everything else looks like shit. 421 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:40.559 It's all like fourth hand discarded trash. He sleeps on 422 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.759 what we could uphemistically refer to as like a straw 423 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:52.200 mattress at best. It's just it's it's it's barely a hovel. 424 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.839 A hovel is charitable and they're like, where did you 425 00:27:55.920 --> 00:27:59.680 get these shoes? And they know where you got these shoes. 426 00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:07.039 He works for the drug dealers, right. The libtards would say, well, 427 00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:12.000 he has no other opportunities. You know, it's society, et cetera. 428 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:16.880 You know, why why would why would he have shoot? 429 00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:19.440 You know, he can't do the whole logical thing of 430 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:21.759 where he would spend this this money in a more 431 00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:23.960 in a better way to take care of his family 432 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.759 and improve their conditions. Because of the conditions they're in. 433 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:29.960 This is a thing that he wants. As Selene Dion 434 00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:36.160 would say, let them touch those things, and uh, you know, 435 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:43.880 so he's basically anocent kid. Bope says, well, you're gonna 436 00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:47.200 tell us, And so they slap them around a little bit. 437 00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.720 And then they what what is the term that they 438 00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.559 use in the film. They say, bag him or something 439 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:57.480 like that, which involves taking a you know, disregarding the 440 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.519 the label, they take the plastic bag and put it 441 00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:05.599 over his head and suffocate him in a rather graphic 442 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:11.359 fashion for maybe ten twelve seconds while wrenching him around 443 00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.920 violently so that he starts huffing and puffing and it's 444 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.640 a highly unpleasant experience. And then they take it off 445 00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.799 his head and ask him slap him around a little 446 00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.640 bit he doesn't talk. Well, they do it a third 447 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:28.480 time and he talks. So the crazy thing is every 448 00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:34.480 stage of this movie, their intensification of violence is justified 449 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.079 by the outcomes that they get because they didn't actually 450 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:43.480 kill him, They didn't permanently harm him by doing this, right, 451 00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.079 they let him go. They have a thing earlier with 452 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.000 the kid who's a lookout who the gang then murders, 453 00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:56.559 right because he talked. And it's very touching because the 454 00:29:57.079 --> 00:30:05.799 mother comes to our police captain Nacimento and when he 455 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:08.240 has a child on the way and is like, I 456 00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.599 need to know where my son's body is so that 457 00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:13.960 we can bury him. That's another really important element of 458 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.599 this is there's a is like taking care of the body, 459 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.319 treating the body with respect, having a funeral, like that 460 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.960 closure that you get from it, you know, in the 461 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:30.240 positive sense, motivates this captain to go out into the 462 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.000 favelas to just try to find this child's body, to 463 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.759 figure out what happens to him, so the mother can 464 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.480 have closure, so that he can have closure as his 465 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:41.559 child is on the way, so that you can like 466 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.319 quit this job in the way that he's promised his wife, 467 00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:50.200 who is unbearably nagging in this film. She is she 468 00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.880 is very annoying, but it's understandable also. 469 00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.279 And I'm glad you brought that up, because that is 470 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:07.279 also a distinction we see between uh obviously like Bope 471 00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:11.160 and the police and also uh, you know, the we'll 472 00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:14.279 just say like the Narcos, right because like, don't get 473 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.599 me wrong, they're both they're both savage. Like in that 474 00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.519 that scene with you know, when they bag someone. Uh, 475 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:26.279 there is also a show is a highly disturbing threat 476 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.279 made with a broom handle, yuh, which they didn't do, 477 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:34.079 but uh, you know, it certainly motivated him to talk, 478 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.680 but they do let him go afterwards, and we see 479 00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.440 over and over again the NARCO is obviously, you know, 480 00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.799 killing anyone who speaks with the police. But you know, 481 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.880 even in the kind of you know, climactic moments of 482 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:50.599 this film, even on Suspicion, kill people in horrific ways. 483 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:56.519 So obviously media not quite a third, but a large 484 00:31:56.599 --> 00:32:01.440 portion of this is about uh, you know, the Bope training, right, 485 00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.160 these guys becoming you know, members of this this sort 486 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:08.960 of you know, death squad, and it's one of the 487 00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.279 all time great sort of you know training you know 488 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:16.720 arcs in a city like this. Yeah, like almost immediately, 489 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.119 you know, we see our characters brought out to this 490 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.119 kind of tent in the middle of nowhere, and they're 491 00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.400 getting shark tanked. You know. All the guys are running up, 492 00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:25.920 you know, punching them, you know, yelling in their face. 493 00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:27.759 And then we see a. 494 00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.359 Really interesting scene where all of the recruits are basically 495 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.400 going through sleep deprivation. So they're like in a classroom 496 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.079 sort of and you know, Nito falls asleep and the 497 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.279 officers hands him presumably a live hand grenade, pulls the 498 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.039 pin and tells him to hold it to keep a lake. 499 00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:53.279 We we also see, you know, in this sort of section, 500 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:56.000 we see them you know, doing you know, long marches, 501 00:32:56.119 --> 00:32:59.440 you know, going through the jungle, standing in swamps, lots 502 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:05.240 of lots of footage of trench foot which is accurately rendered, 503 00:33:05.359 --> 00:33:11.039 and we're seeing this group sort of constantly. Yeah, it's 504 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.599 it's this is not a this is not a film 505 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:17.240 for the whole family on a multitude of different metrics. 506 00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:21.039 But yeah, if you're sent whatever that it's not triggonosis. 507 00:33:21.079 --> 00:33:23.200 That's what you get from eating raw pork whatever. The 508 00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:26.799 phobia is of a small holes, not a great one 509 00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:27.079 for that. 510 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.200 Uh oh yeah. 511 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:35.039 Actually, really this is just a a that if this 512 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.799 movie was in a culture where trigger warnings were popular, 513 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.759 like it was in kind of like the twenty nineteen 514 00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:42.160 to like twenty twenty one range, it would be all 515 00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.400 of them. There's quite simply nothing that isn't in it. 516 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:45.279 Uh. 517 00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:48.680 But you know, as these guys you know kind of 518 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:52.440 winnow down, we see you know, these these officers becoming 519 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.400 more and more competent, more and more hardened. They move 520 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.839 from just getting beat down to you know, doing drills 521 00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:02.079 with weapons, to being brought on on you know missions, 522 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.160 you know again these kind of like urban warfare operations, 523 00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:09.840 and you know, once they finally graduated, are our sort 524 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.400 of secondary character. Uh. You know, Nido, he gets a 525 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.760 boupe tattoo once he's he's finally graduated on his arm, 526 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:22.480 which turns out to be turns out to be very relevant. 527 00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:28.920 So after you know, they go through the you know, 528 00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:36.400 bope training, after the corrupt officer is you know, is out, Uh, basically, 529 00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.960 Andre and his you know kind of art ho law 530 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:48.719 school girlfriend, their relationship blows up. She is aware he 531 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.519 was captured you know, on photo as being a member 532 00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.639 of you know, bope what she believes that this sort 533 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.880 of death squad, and so, you know, she breaks up 534 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.880 with him. He's now a social pariah. We see that 535 00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:03.480 everyone is aware of this. They don't want anything to 536 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:05.760 do with him. So he sort of just decided, you know, 537 00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:07.719 all right, I'm gonna hoist the black flag like we're 538 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:12.239 we're out there. And this kind of small town dealer, 539 00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:16.119 the one that's you know, supplying weed primarily to the 540 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:19.639 college kids, we know that, you know that Andreas picked 541 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:23.599 up on this, right, so he goes and confronts him. 542 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:26.920 He basically you know, slaps him around, you know, basically 543 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:33.119 says like you know, demands information from him, and this 544 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.639 information makes its way back to the local drug kingpin. 545 00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:41.679 Right he knows, oh wait, you know, not only has 546 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:49.400 one of my dealers presumably given information to uh, you know, 547 00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:54.480 to the police, but we find out that this NGO, 548 00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.559 which is also connected to the same to the same 549 00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:01.639 drug kingpin, he's sort of whitewashing his image through it. 550 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:02.199 Right. 551 00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:08.400 Well, our main character is going into the Favella to 552 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:10.119 finally give this little. 553 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.360 Boy a pair of glasses. 554 00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:13.519 So he's going to be on his own, alone and 555 00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:18.679 vulnerable and at the last minute, Andre can't make it, 556 00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:24.559 so Nido goes into the pafella to give the glasses 557 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:29.320 to the little boy or his friend, right, and the Kingpin, 558 00:36:29.480 --> 00:36:32.800 not knowing of course that he is a part of 559 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.199 BOPE or that he's got the wrong man, sets up 560 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.360 an ambush and you know, Nito's gunn down. He's killed, 561 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:44.119 and there's this very cinematic moment where they run up 562 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.840 to the body and they look at his forearm and 563 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:49.440 see the BOPE tattoo and realize like, oh no, we're 564 00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:54.440 were were screwed, right, we have made a mistake. But 565 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.960 also at the same time, the cartel is basically moved 566 00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.000 to a sweep up this kind of in these NGO 567 00:37:03.079 --> 00:37:06.760 workers who they think have been compromised and uh, this 568 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:11.159 is m perhaps the darkest moment of the film. They're 569 00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:15.199 you know, they're grabbed at gunpoint and one of the 570 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.639 girls is executed, and the guy who's running this like 571 00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:24.119 clinic or ngo or whatever, uh is uh stuffed into 572 00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.800 a roll of tires and set on fire. It's a 573 00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:28.800 very very grim scene. 574 00:37:28.880 --> 00:37:29.559 It's brutal. 575 00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.920 Yeah, but this of course sets us up for the 576 00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.760 final confrontation. Right, we've already been part of this kind 577 00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.960 of rolling anti crime wave to make things you know, 578 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.320 clear for the pope. But also a boupe officer has 579 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.559 been killed, and two of the you know kind of 580 00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:53.000 like middle to upper classes have also been brutally murdered 581 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:56.840 execution style. So the stakes are the stakes are high. 582 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:59.760 I went through a lot of plot there, Carl, And 583 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:03.679 forgive me for being slightly less linear with this, but 584 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.400 this movie isn't super linear. I was going hard to follow, 585 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.079 but it's not like, you know, it's not like You're 586 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.280 Of the Dragon, where it's one plot all the way 587 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:14.800 through and you can just sort of rattle through it. 588 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.880 It sort of loops back on itself. But I'll give 589 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:18.760 you a chance to respond, Carl And I. 590 00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:21.440 Did watch Here the Dragon when you guys were talking 591 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.960 about it, so that I had seen it, because I 592 00:38:24.079 --> 00:38:27.800 saw it probably thirty years ago, so that I had 593 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.159 seen it by the time I listened to the show 594 00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:32.639 you did with Pete. But anyway, yes, this brings us 595 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:37.079 back to that we've established exactly what is led up 596 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:40.960 to the opening scene, which is so great. So now 597 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:44.519 it all makes sense. Now you're like, oh, you know, 598 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.320 now this makes sense. Here's this unit that acts like 599 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:53.320 of police bope that acts like an infantry squad, whereas 600 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:55.719 all the others are all these other cops and we 601 00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.480 know their backgrounds, we know why they were sent out there, 602 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.360 et cetera. But you also know that this is going 603 00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:09.719 to be completely insane because because because they're going loaded 604 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:13.159 for bear and they're they're basically like, we have to 605 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.239 kill this guy. Like they're not. They're not going in 606 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:18.440 to be like, let's make arrests and everything like that. 607 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:20.480 They're like, no, We're going to have to go kill 608 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.960 these guys, and uh, which is it? Which is just 609 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:28.159 you know, from a from a perspective as a film viewer, 610 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:32.159 highly entertaining, and you're like this, I know that this 611 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:33.920 is going to be good, and we're also going to 612 00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.559 get a lot of stuff that we didn't see and 613 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:40.440 in that earlier film part of the film to round 614 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:43.519 it out, So a lot. 615 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:47.719 Of this basically obviously there is you know Nido's funeral 616 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.840 where you know Naciamento who and we hadn't mentioned this, 617 00:39:51.039 --> 00:39:56.199 but had basically been looking to Nido as his successor. Yeah, 618 00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.119 another you know, squeaky clean, highly motivated, highly competent, a 619 00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:04.000 new guy that could eventually beat his success. 620 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:09.880 But point out, can I point out also European presenting, 621 00:40:11.079 --> 00:40:15.960 there's there is a very interesting racial element in this 622 00:40:16.199 --> 00:40:22.599 film to where to where Nito there's something about him 623 00:40:23.360 --> 00:40:29.679 where like the bureaucrats who are also you know, Iberian, 624 00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.679 let's say broadly deal with him like as kind of 625 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.440 a regular guy, and andre Is is black. You know, 626 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.320 he's in law school and all that. But there's but 627 00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.000 that seems like that's like not on the table with 628 00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.000 the other officers, you know, in the organization, but it's 629 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:52.559 not really it's not really expressed. And so to me, 630 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.800 this screams that there's something going on there in the film, 631 00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:01.519 like behind that, but no one ever says it. They 632 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.199 don't do the whole thing. Well, it's because Brazil's racist, 633 00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:09.320 they don't do that, which is very interesting. It's very interesting. 634 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:15.239 But to your point, Nito blows it in his kind 635 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:18.960 of like final training that you mentioned earlier, where they 636 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.440 actually go in to a bombed out hellscape like it 637 00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.159 I think it's a I think it's a favella that 638 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:32.159 was being bulldozed and there's still you know, drug gang holdouts, 639 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:34.840 and it's literally like there's the guy with a rifle 640 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:38.280 shoot him, right. It's literally that kind of an operation, 641 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.559 and he does a very bad job of it, Like 642 00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:43.800 he ends up like out on his own, kind of 643 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.679 like not staying with everyone else. It's kind of incoherent. 644 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:51.440 It happens really quickly, but Nacimento is like, this guy 645 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:57.280 isn't the guy and and so, which is another burden 646 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:02.119 on Nacimento because you know, his wife is nagging him. 647 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:04.840 I can't remember if his baby is born yet at 648 00:42:04.880 --> 00:42:07.320 this point in time, but. 649 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.679 I think at this point she's actually left. She's gone 650 00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:10.800 to go live with her mother. 651 00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.199 Yes, exactly, but like, but he's also like, I have 652 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.360 to be done with this, Like he doesn't want to 653 00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:20.519 do this anymore, or at least he says he doesn't 654 00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:21.639 want to do this anymore. 655 00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:28.599 So the last sort of civilian scene we see after 656 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:33.840 the funeral is I mean, it's basically Andre breaking bad. 657 00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:37.679 So he finds out this rich kid drug dealer that 658 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:41.840 he roughed up, ratted him out and got his friend killed, 659 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.119 and he goes to a like a peace march, right 660 00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.519 like something you'd imagine it like one of the No 661 00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:53.079 No Kings, you know, protests that are kicking off in 662 00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:55.519 the middle of it just walks and it starts just 663 00:42:56.239 --> 00:43:00.639 wailing on this guy. It's it's a great scene screaming 664 00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.280 at him, trying to get information on it. And we've 665 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.639 seen kind of in this build up and it's sort 666 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.960 of interspersed between the last two scenes. We were talking 667 00:43:08.960 --> 00:43:13.000 about Bope going around to other dealers, torturing them to 668 00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:18.360 find out the identity of this this drug kingpin and 669 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:21.880 uh whose name is uh. 670 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.960 Something Britz, I think, but I can't remember. 671 00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:31.039 I won't say it. And so now they know, right, 672 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.159 they're looking for this guy. This is sort of him 673 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:38.639 fully discarding any pretense of you know, indexing with the 674 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.840 system in that way, he's a full and total social para. 675 00:43:43.519 --> 00:43:46.079 And so now they're on the hunt stone cold in 676 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:53.440 cell On, he's he's set aside women. He only desires revenge. 677 00:43:54.440 --> 00:44:00.559 And the final confrontation is very well done. But the 678 00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.360 way this movie ends, and when we see you know, 679 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:07.800 Andrea sort of become Nasimento, right, he has fully sort 680 00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:11.039 of shed his humanity is you know, the dealer at 681 00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:16.960 the end, he's he's wounded and Nacimento hands a massan 682 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.079 off shotgun. It's basically like, all right, you know what 683 00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:23.760 you need to do, and the dealer's on the ground. 684 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.760 And this is the reprisal of that theme earlier we 685 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:31.280 mentioned about about bodies right in the Importance of Funeral, 686 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.440 he basically just says like, all right, you know, just 687 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:36.760 just not in the face. I want my mom to 688 00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:40.079 be able to see me, and for the wake, for 689 00:44:40.199 --> 00:44:44.320 the wake, for the wake, and Andre levels the gun 690 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.480 right at his face, cut to black. You hear a boom. 691 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.639 So there's a little bit of ambiguity there, right, did 692 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.400 he did he still have any mercy left? Or was 693 00:44:55.440 --> 00:44:58.320 he you know, sort of a true you know, stone 694 00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.719 cold killer at that point. I my version of it, Uh, 695 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:09.119 just all in a genuinely great film. And like I said, thematically, 696 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.119 what we're seeing is you know, Andre being stripped of 697 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:16.599 his of his idealism, right, stripped of this idea that 698 00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:19.280 he can ascend up the social ladder, stripped of this 699 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:22.400 idea that you know, he can can meet with the 700 00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.199 kind of you know, upper crust of society and do 701 00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:29.239 real good. The less of this film is ultimately it's like, no, 702 00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:33.000 the only way this can be solved is to stamp 703 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.639 them out. It is to quote Rothbert right, to send 704 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.480 in the hounds. And in order to do that, you 705 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:43.800 can't be squishy. This cannot be half measures. It needs 706 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.800 to be you know, brutal and uncompromising. And as I 707 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.480 said earlier, sure there's a certain amount of fatalism to this, right, 708 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:55.039 this irreparably broken system. But if we're looking at kind 709 00:45:55.079 --> 00:45:57.199 of the lessons for our guys, right, the things that 710 00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:00.639 we would find interesting in this film. One, obviously, the 711 00:46:00.719 --> 00:46:04.800 social critique of educated progressives is kind of funny, but 712 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:12.920 also right, the idea that like mercy in defense of 713 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.880 criminals as advice, that's what enables these sort of situations 714 00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:20.960 and to solve those issues, right, to solve that kind 715 00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:25.039 of deep corruption, it's like, well, you need killers, you 716 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.320 need people who are sort of beyond human, they don't 717 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:31.599 have morality in the same way that we do. To 718 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:36.039 accomplish that end. And in order to do that, there's 719 00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:40.519 sort of no there's no half measures. Personally, you can't 720 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.320 still have you know, your normal life where you hang 721 00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:45.960 out with your progressive friend, like it has to become 722 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.760 your life, and that is your sort of purpose on 723 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:50.800 the world is to be sort of a you know, 724 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.800 a killer on behalf of the state it's a it's 725 00:46:55.840 --> 00:46:59.000 a really fascinating film. One of the things that we 726 00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:05.119 didn't mention is that Nacimento is constantly in and out 727 00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:10.639 of sort of you know, state mandated therapy, right with 728 00:47:10.840 --> 00:47:14.280 like basically an HR lady who is completely and totally 729 00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:17.199 hopeless in this film. You know, she's asking him the 730 00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:20.280 most kind of absurd, out of touch questions, you know, 731 00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.599 telling him like, oh, if you report anything, I'll have 732 00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:25.199 to take it up the chain of command. You will 733 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:26.480 be kicked out of your job. 734 00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:27.480 Sort of. 735 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:30.400 The ineffectuality of that kind of like managerial style in 736 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.280 a situation like this, it's it is absurd, right, The 737 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.079 idea that you know, one minute, he's you know, in 738 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.679 like three hundred and sixty degree urban combat with you know, 739 00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.800 drug dealers, with Oozzi's, and then you know, when he 740 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.559 gets back he has to answer questions about his emotional state. 741 00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:47.639 Another element that I wanted to bring up. 742 00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:52.440 Yeah, and you know this, it's the stress of the job. 743 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.920 It's the stress of you know, his his nagging wife, 744 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.239 who is nagging for a good reason. You know, they 745 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.840 have a baby on the way. What he does is 746 00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.960 incredibly dangerous and you know, obviously he's a different person 747 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:11.000 than he than he was before. But it is this 748 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.719 level of obliviousness where he's like, just give me a 749 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.400 drug for it or something like that, you know, And 750 00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:23.639 there's one other there's one other thing that that he does, 751 00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:29.679 which again comes back to that funeral topic that keeps 752 00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.800 coming up as far as like separating them from the norm, 753 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:39.480 and it's the it's Nido's funeral, which is very touching. 754 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.039 You know, everyone goes out there and they're all they're 755 00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.000 very they're furious at this point, right, like the Bope 756 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:50.039 guys are furious, and the you know, his casket is 757 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:54.239 there and it's covered with the Brazilian flag, and Nasciamento 758 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.880 walks up and unfurls the Baupe flag and puts it 759 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:02.239 over it. And what is the Boupet flag. It's red 760 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:07.480 and black with a skull and a golden dagger and 761 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.000 two crossed pistols behind it. And so he comes in 762 00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:16.119 and he's basically like, let me remind everybody what this 763 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:21.920 is about. Like, he's our guy, he was one of us. 764 00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:25.920 We accepted him. Ultimately, he was accepted. He didn't he 765 00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:29.239 wasn't making the cut, you know, to be to take over. 766 00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:33.519 But he was still one of our guys, and I 767 00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:37.159 don't really care about your norms. For his funeral, he 768 00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:41.280 was one of us. Which is incredibly interesting because if 769 00:49:41.320 --> 00:49:46.920 you if you notice, like it kind of upsets the civilians, 770 00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:49.920 like his family and stuff like that back there, the 771 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.639 women are like taken aback by it, but all the 772 00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.119 men just get hardened and they're just they're just stone 773 00:49:57.199 --> 00:49:58.159 faced at that point. 774 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:03.039 So several interesting things about the history of Because there 775 00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:08.440 are several elite Squad movies. Uh, I haven't seen any 776 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:10.559 of them. I sort of like how this stands on 777 00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.800 its own. Yeah, I'm sure you've had the same experience, Carl, 778 00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:17.599 where it's like, I don't want to be let down 779 00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.159 by something other than this, you know, it's sort of 780 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:23.239 the this yeah. Perfect. But what's interesting is that it's 781 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.199 actually based on a book, and it's based on a 782 00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:34.920 book by two former operators, Bope operators and a sociologist. Right, 783 00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:39.039 And it seems as if there's basically no relation to 784 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:41.119 whatsoever between the plot of the book and the plot 785 00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:45.079 of the movie. The plot of the book is basically 786 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:48.519 about how like Beaupe or a bunch of like gross 787 00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:51.800 meanis who hate democracy and beat people up sometimes, and 788 00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:54.880 the movie is like, Bope is a bunch of super 789 00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:59.559 cool dudes who beat people up all the time, because yeah, exactly, 790 00:51:00.119 --> 00:51:03.840 which I think is is an interesting note. But from 791 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:05.519 what I could see, and I am not Brazili and 792 00:51:05.599 --> 00:51:08.519 I cannot read Portuguese, but it does seem as if 793 00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:13.679 there's sort of a an echo of our high and 794 00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:19.239 low alignment on the issue of crime enforcement in Brazil 795 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.320 as there is in America, where it is sort of 796 00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.159 fashionable in elite circles to you know, look down on that. Truly, 797 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:31.599 wherever you go, the progressives are exactly the same. We 798 00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.960 mentioned some of the you know, the weapons in this 799 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.000 you know obviously you have you know, the madicine that 800 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:40.960 isn't like super prominent, but it's like probably the most 801 00:51:41.440 --> 00:51:45.679 interesting or unique we've got all the all the nineties classics, right, 802 00:51:45.800 --> 00:51:48.880 You've got a couple of really cool seeds with Nazi 803 00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.480 Vento with an MP five ooozies. Of course, a bunch 804 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:57.760 of you know, horrible Taurus knockoffs of much better firearms. 805 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:01.639 But the my and it's not ever given a lot 806 00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:04.079 of screen time, of course, is uh, you know, the 807 00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.440 guy's running CQB with a full length you know, m 808 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.679 bel f a L which is yeah. 809 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.239 Yeah. And one of the things I noticed also is 810 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:18.159 the when when there's the sniping scene, you know at 811 00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:25.679 the at the beginning, he it's a it's a Brazilian mouser. 812 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.840 So it's the same rifle that they're using in their 813 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.079 training scenes, which are probably pretty much just you know, 814 00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.719 rusted shut in the training but they you know, but 815 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:38.599 in this one, so he has that and then it 816 00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.840 has like a forward like scout mount scope, so it's 817 00:52:44.000 --> 00:52:47.480 you know, super forward glass where that you know, the rear, 818 00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:50.199 the rear of it is in front of the action 819 00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.880 so that you can load stripper clips and stuff like that. 820 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.480 I was like, hell, yeah, super great. 821 00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:03.840 Yeah, this is one of my favorite films. I was talking. 822 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:06.880 I think I said this off air that it's part 823 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:12.119 of one of my favorite unofficial movie subgenres, which is 824 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:18.079 movies where guns are scary. Because the violence in the 825 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:23.119 combat in this is exceptionally lethal. Yeah, people you know, 826 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.280 drop quickly. 827 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:25.760 You know. 828 00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:29.039 It's not the sort of like John Wu style, you know, 829 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:33.639 thousands of squibs going off. It feels very grounded. The 830 00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:37.599 cinematography in it is very much a product of its 831 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:41.639 time for good and ill. You mentioned of course, the uh, 832 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.559 you know, the lighting in this is extremely true to form, right, 833 00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:48.400 the kind of like sickly you know, greens and yellows, 834 00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:52.840 especially in the Flavella's one thing. And this is polarizing. 835 00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:55.000 I don't mind it, but some people really hate it. 836 00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:58.599 Is it has the very mid two thousands shaky cam 837 00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:00.880 right like you saw in the Bode movies and stuff 838 00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.239 like that, which certainly does add to sort of the 839 00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:05.840 frenetic pace of it. But one of the guys I 840 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:07.440 was watching with it was like, dude, I can't look 841 00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:09.360 at this. My eyes are about to like I'm gonna 842 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:13.039 throw up. So it's a minority position, but something to 843 00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.599 be aware of. The soundtrack to this movie, as we've 844 00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.519 already mentioned, some of it is kind of popular Brazilian 845 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.519 movie music from the late nineties. Other of it is 846 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.280 you know, moral orchestral is quite good if you're interested 847 00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:28.679 in that. And this movie is super easy to find. 848 00:54:28.840 --> 00:54:31.360 I think it's on Amazon if you're willing to sail 849 00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:33.960 the high seas because it's in Brazil. Of course, you 850 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.119 can find a copy of it at your favorite website, 851 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.920 but I'd highly recommend it It's very watchable. If you 852 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.800 know you're you enjoy those kind of you crime movies, 853 00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:46.280 this is a very good one. 854 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:47.039 Uh. 855 00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:52.039 The thematically, it's very tight, the messaging is very much 856 00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.639 aligned to your interests if you're listening to this. And 857 00:54:55.760 --> 00:55:00.639 also it's just a cool I wouldn't say low budget, 858 00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.920 but kind of mid budget movie. And yeah, I highly 859 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:05.480 recommend it. 860 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:11.920 Yeah, it's great. It's it's totally worth watching it. Again, 861 00:55:12.039 --> 00:55:15.719 Like I said before, it is a cautionary tale. It 862 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:22.000 is absolutely a cautionary tale. There's something else that I noticed. 863 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.760 I just have a little I scribbled it down, and 864 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:34.320 it's worth mentioning. Every police officer's uniform has you know, 865 00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.599 like in the military, you have your last name on 866 00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:40.639 a patch and then it has their blood type right 867 00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:47.119 after it, which is totally makes sense. And it follows 868 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.599 the theme of the movie, which is that they are 869 00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:54.280 they're going to be bleeding. They're going to be bleeding. 870 00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:01.519 Yeah, I mean it is. The police are not superheroes 871 00:56:01.559 --> 00:56:04.400 in this, and I think it's important to mention, right, 872 00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:08.000 there are very real critiques of the police in this. 873 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.440 It's in fact, much of the inciting motivation is the 874 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:15.480 insane level of petty corruption, you know, going down to 875 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:18.280 things like there is you know, a scene of police 876 00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:21.559 officers moving a body from one district to another. They're 877 00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:26.360 again very managerial, this whole system designed to not actually 878 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.480 do anything but simply make it look better, you know, 879 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:33.920 so you know, reporting murders as drowning victims or drug overdoses, 880 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:37.840 you know, anything they can to you know, basically dodge 881 00:56:37.920 --> 00:56:42.400 responsibility for that. And again that creates the necessity for 882 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:46.239 this sort of like we could almost say like odanic figure, 883 00:56:46.519 --> 00:56:49.000 you know, or this kind of like heroic figure that is, 884 00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:51.360 you know, Bope, and by extension, our main characters who 885 00:56:51.639 --> 00:56:54.760 you basically sidestep all of that, you know, who go 886 00:56:54.880 --> 00:56:56.920 and sort of meet evil on its own terms instead 887 00:56:56.960 --> 00:56:59.639 of trying to you know, manage it out of the 888 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:05.800 exists the uh and I realize people are understandably annoyed 889 00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:10.320 by you know, quote unquote social commentary. It's it is 890 00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:14.159 certainly there. It is interesting, it is well expressed and 891 00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.079 not didactic. And also if you just want to watch 892 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.880 a movie where guys shoot each other, you got that too. 893 00:57:21.679 --> 00:57:24.639 So yeah, Carl, I really enjoyed talking with you about 894 00:57:24.639 --> 00:57:28.320 this movie. It's one of my favorites. Uh, and honestly, 895 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:32.000 I they're you know, the the Last Things Film Festival 896 00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.400 has been permanently shuttered. But I did do a review 897 00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:36.000 on it for that. 898 00:57:36.760 --> 00:57:42.599 Uh, that's right a year ago. Uh. I did movies 899 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:43.280 with him. 900 00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:45.760 I really wish one did you do well? 901 00:57:45.800 --> 00:57:50.519 I did? I did The Killer and Hard Boiled, but 902 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:56.559 but generally so good, generally talked about about John Wu 903 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:03.440 and the uh the message of globalism in these films, 904 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:08.599 in his films of the era. Yeah, the uh, I. 905 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:13.840 Will say, my favorite Wo movie is Face Off. But 906 00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:15.280 that is a ridiculous film. 907 00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:19.320 It's It's totally ridiculous. John John Wu's movies are ridiculous. 908 00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:21.639 Most of them are not very good, like his older 909 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:25.440 ones are not very good. That he was just cranking 910 00:58:25.519 --> 00:58:30.000 them out. But yeah, I face Off is Face Off 911 00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:33.360 is worth watching. It's it's insane and it and it 912 00:58:33.480 --> 00:58:36.119 gives you everything that you would expect from And John. 913 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:41.679 There's a my this is unrelated. Maybe we'll come back 914 00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:45.159 to it, but uh, my brother in law, who I 915 00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.840 guess you have spoken too briefly, Carl, for unrelated purposes 916 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:54.159 is uh super into uh like Prestige Hong Kong Cinema 917 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.440 so like, like you know, chun King express all of 918 00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:57.920 that stuff. 919 00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:59.119 That's it's more than that. 920 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:00.880 And that's just the one that I can remember, because 921 00:59:00.920 --> 00:59:02.599 I'll be honest, a lot of these movies are sort 922 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.880 of passed me. But yeah, it's a very interesting cinematic 923 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:11.199 culture discussion for another day. We're supposed to be talking 924 00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:12.199 about Elite Squad, aren't we. 925 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:12.760 Yeah. 926 00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:15.320 Anyway, there are a lot of movies that are good. Well, Carl, 927 00:59:15.719 --> 00:59:18.599 thank you so much. This is a fascinating discussion. I've 928 00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.440 mentioned to the fact that you have a book Faction 929 00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:26.760 with the Crusader and then another one. You should read them. Obviously, 930 00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:30.840 your substack, your Twitter, You and I do mostly live streams. 931 00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:33.800 I assume everyone is familiar with you. Is there anything 932 00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:34.360 else I missed? 933 00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:37.400 No, I think that covers it. 934 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:37.840 Thank you. 935 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:42.840 I would love to close my commentary with a ringing 936 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:48.079 endorsement from a critic of this film that was published 937 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:54.239 in Variety by one Jay Weissberg, who called the movie 938 00:59:54.400 --> 00:59:59.920 a quote one note celebration of violence for good hyphening 939 01:00:00.039 --> 01:00:04.400 did that plays like a recruitment film for fascist thugs. 940 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:08.599 End quote. Thank you, M. M.