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Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, and welcome to the show on Martin willis

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your host, and we have a great show tonight. I've

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been really wanting for this one to come along, and

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it's John Burroughs and Toby Martinez and we're going to

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be talking about a little bit different than what you

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may think. We're going to be talking about when it

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comes to the Rendellsham Force incident. There's always been some theories,

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you know, kicked around about that, but that's kind of

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what the general conversation is going to be. I want

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to thank everyone that helps support the show, everyone that

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watches the show, and I do believe this Friday at

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six pm me certainly have Caroline Corey, but there may

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be something else in the works. I'm not really sure.

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So anyone can actually get a weekly newsletter that updates

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everyone with who's coming on the show, and also our

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a blog. We do have a blog this week. I

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don't have the title to it yet, just waiting on Charles.

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I'm sorry, but check out over at podcastufo dot com

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and you'll see the blog over there. Last weekend, I

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was down with the Tedesco Brothers. I had a really

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interesting time and everyone asked me if I witnessed the UFO.

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Unfortunately not, but some things looked really, you know, at first,

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looking through all these different cameras, types of cameras, night

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vision all that, I thought I saw something at one time,

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and then I realized it was a boat out at

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the sea. But it's a beautiful area down there, Fire Ireland.

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I think it's called They. We were going to go

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to mon Talk at first, and it's a good thing

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we didn't because the weather came in pretty serious up

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that way. So we're down a little further down at

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Robert Moses State Park and such a beautiful area and

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a lot of people you don't come around this curiosity

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of what the heck we're doing there with all that

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equipment and all that. So there be there's some clips,

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some shorts running right now. I'm going to have a

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short interview with the Tedesco Brothers up. You'll see that

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on my YouTube channel. So again, thank you all for

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being here, and to bring in my guests now, John

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Burrows and Toby Martinez welcome.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having us.

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Speaker 3: Good thanks for having us.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Toby, you've never been on my show, but

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John has a number of times. But Toby if you

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would just a little something about yourself.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I was born and raised in Roswell, New Mexico,

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which I'm sure your audience has heard of. And I

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happen to work at the Roswell Day the Record, that

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paper that put out the famous nineteen forty seven front

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page about the crash, and I actively cover UAPs for

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that very paper.

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Speaker 1: That's that's pretty amazing that, you know. I mean that

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I didn't realize it was the very paper that put

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out that they had captured a desk. How about that?

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about that. But first of all, let's bring in John,

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and John you've been on a number of times. Just

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if you would a nutshelf the windows from force, that's uh.

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You know, I always wonder this when I when I

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interviewed someone like you. Do you think your life has

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been better? Let's take out all the medical history, in

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the medical issues, if you didn't have any medical issues.

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Do you think your life overall would be better that

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this happened or you wish it never happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know, that's what Charles Hall had said

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to me before in the past, But just a little

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Nutchell about yourself, how you get it? You know, we're

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eighty and all that prior to that.

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Speaker 3: Joined the Air Force in seventy nine was my first assignment.

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seven years in the Air Force, so it was a

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good career choice. But as far as you know, the

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whole thing was it's a gift that keeps giving. So

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at the time, I think the set the tone for

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tonight's show is simple. All these people that have come

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they allays come away and say it couldn't have been ours. Well,

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the government itself is really when they say they're working

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on technology based off of the UFOs, they really are

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developing technology geoffa UAPs. So what we experienced over those

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three nights was both a real UAP and what they

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Speaker 1: And this would be the US government over there in England.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've spoke to someone recently that who you

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Department of Energy that's involved in all this type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Everything that Simon told you came from me? So we'll

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leave it at that. Okay. I did a series with

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him for a while and it ended up falling flat

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on its face simply just for the same fact as

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the matter is, is that everything that he was brought

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into it is from somebody else over there, and everything

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he's talking about is diff information and I supply to him,

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and I'll tell you straight up, he has no clue

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to what really went on and what's going on. He's

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only trying to piece together data that I gave him.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Interesting. So before we move into this whole thing, Toby,

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Roswell Record, and that is when a story goes out

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a disc and then it's retracted as a weather balloon.

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of the original requests that came in, you know, from

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the Army, Air Force or anything. Do they have those

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flying disc has been found. The Morning Record published the

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very next morning. All this excitements for nothing. It was

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Speaker 1: Ah, I see, wow. Interesting. So you got to let

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me know during you gave me a clip and I

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can play at anytime during this. You just give me

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the theory that there's there's us involved in this in

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Speaker 3: You want to start telling me, you want me to start,

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event during the Roswell UFO Festival called the Roszel Incident.

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I helped set it up and John happened to come

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radio portion of it, and that's when I first met John.

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was Applebee's most of the evening, me and him and

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my wife on the same day that I got married,

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of all days. So to hear I had seen him

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on TV, but to hear his story first firsthand was

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just amazing. So I said, John, can we stay in touch?

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then there was a span of yours. We kind of

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with it, but John will say that I brought him

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out of retirement in this subject.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So John, has that been hard for you

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just forget about this and you know, move on daily life?

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the way back to the whole fight when I got

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sick and almost died. Then I got my settlement. I

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were injured myself in another individual oranger during the event,

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that are taking care of us. But at that point

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well why because the truth of the matter is this

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stuff is so deep and so very deep in the

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agencies and everybody it's involved. I'm not saying that my

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life's in danger, but let's just say you don't want

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to poke the bear. But unfortunately, some of the people

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that were involved with this that helped Pat and I

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moved forward with this sentiment of Kane's office, you know,

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to get the settlement and get taken care of, had

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had bigger ideas on how they wanted this to move forward,

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so they they didn't let it go. They kept throwing

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to talk about me, they continue to bring things up

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about me, but they failed to want to tell the

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whole story. And I'll even go deeper. What I meant

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and what I mean by that is everything he talks

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about is stuff that was handed to him by James

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a lot of this stuff. Doug deep to come up

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it the British Roswell, but in actual realities the British

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the Department of Energy that I got deflected on, and

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these people that are out there doing this for entertainment

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and to make money off of it is they don't

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do the research. They just do a show and they

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want to reap the benefits off of people like me

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that have suffered the consequences.

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Speaker 1: Well in essence, you know, maybe you think I might

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Speaker 3: The difference is you're doing a radio show. He's coming

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set up Colonel Halt one time where he did a

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he made it look like Colonel Hall knew exactly what

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he did. And that's this ingenuous. There's a difference between

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interviewing people and doing the show and then trying to

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Speaker 1: So I you know one thing I always forget about

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In our audio podcast is really kicking butt, so to speak.

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it a million times, please John, if you would a

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nutshell of the whole incident, if you would, just for

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Speaker 3: So for the new listener, here's the deal. Let us

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it happened over a three day period. The main event.

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got all the publicity there was other people that had

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stuff happened to him before our event. There was British

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citizens that had different encounters and sightings prior to our event,

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and there was stuff that happened after our event that

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continued on almost to this day. It kind of died

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out over COVID and it had less to do with

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the fact that there may not study stuff going on,

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but a lot of the people had to stay home

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and then have gotten older and haven't gone through the

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forest as much. But there's stuff that still goes on

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from what I've heard still to this day. But the

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three night event took place started on Christmas night at

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eleven o'clock when we came on duty. But it actually

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the first event happened at oh three hundred on the

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twenty sixth. That was when myself and two other individuals

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went out into the forest. After myself and my supervisor

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viewed something coming down out of the sky into the forest,

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they called the security suit down. They did some checking

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on radar and they found out something disappeared on radar

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and we went out into the forest and we had

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a brief interaction with the whatever it was on the

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first night, and the summit up All three of us

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that went out there have different memories and views on

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what took place. Night two happened with the we went

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on a break and the midnight shift came on and

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had an encounter to include the shift commander had some

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kind of encounter that got to relieve the duty. Night

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three was the Colonel halt knight with the memo was

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based off of and the tape was made and I

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ended up being out there too, and that's the night

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I got really close to something. In fact, according to

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Adrian Pistons, I disappeared, So it was a three night event.

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There was encounters that took place on all three nights,

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and like I said, at the time we walked away,

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I couldn't explain it, and it felt like whatever we

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encounter had nothing to do with our capabilities.

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Speaker 1: I see, thank you for that. I appreciate that. And

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do you feel as though there could have been missing time?

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Did we talk about that? I think we may have

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talked about that before.

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Speaker 3: There was basically on nine three for sure. Well night

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one we came back on and watch this up. Okay,

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nine three, I disappeared for a period of time according

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to the stands, and we were way at time on

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that it's the interesting thing which will be laid out

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clearly in the fall. It was partly addressed in the

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first book I did. Weaponization in VIPs in twenty twenty

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is time dilation was clearly involved and that the American

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and Bruce government we are working on the time.

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Speaker 1: Ah, you know, there's you just mentioned time dilation and

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that's just the term that you know, I seem to

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hear a lot when it comes to you know, a

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lot of people having different encounters, you know, where it

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seems like. I had one person describe it to me.

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everything is like, you know, it felt like it was

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moving slow. Did you have any feeling like that as well,

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like things were like slowed down?

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's right away. When when Stephans and I

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went down to first see what we were doing with

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we left the base briefly, as soon as I opened

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the car door, there was like an electricity in the

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air and it felt like things were different, and whenever

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we got close to it, things felt different. But as

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soon as it disappeared, it felt like everything was normal again.

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So I've talked about that since the very beginning. So

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people that will try to come back and say I

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brought this up years later, just go back to the

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Unsolved Mysteries interview I did way back and green and

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I talked about that too.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and just one thing I want to touch

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on real quickly, just for a second and move on

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from there. You know, the there was always talk about,

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you know, the drugging after that, you know, during the

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debriefing and all that and with it. I just wanted

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to know if that was the case. With that have

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been sodium pentathol or any idea.

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Speaker 3: It was sodium penthal, then it was sodium amthhol was

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brought up. I have no memory of that happening to me.

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Kenniston has claimed it happened to him for sure. The

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thing is is about it is it all ties into

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what's going to be unveiled in the fall that mk

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Ulter never went away. In fact, it plays into UAPs.

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seventies and then they claimed they destroyed everything, everything got

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packed up and move over to the United Kingdom, and

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there was research going on, and it plays into the

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whole weaponization and everything else. They were doing it for

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a reason, just like all the other stuff that's going on.

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What was it so I screwed this up? Toby? What's

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the name of the congressman that just came out and

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said we're third generation? Now?

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Speaker 1: Is that Burlson? Bon Well?

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Speaker 3: Interesting enough? I talked about that in twenty twenty with Warrow,

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and I've said all along, and I got attacked for

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it that that was not uh, it was not a

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natural UAP. It's our stuff and it all goes into

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the into the propulsion system, which creates the time dollation

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of bubble through plasmas and everything else, which all goes

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into what a UAP is. And during the hearings that

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I had been asked to testify on and I told

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Burshett that I would not. I had no desire to

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really go up there number one, but number two, i'd

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have to be subpoena. At number three. I would want

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to talk about what happens to people like me and

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the military and Adrian and other people that have been

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exposed to this. There needs to be some kind of

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system so we could be taken care of, never mind

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the civilian public. But ultimately it comes down to the

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whole thing, which if you want to take it to

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like Star Trek cloaking, but it's not cloaking. It's creating

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a bubble and that creates an effect and that's exactly

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what the tic TAC was doing. And it's able to

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affect how you see it, how you remember it, and

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then how it's picked up by sensors including radars. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Wow, fascinating. So just I just wanted to let anyone know.

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I mentioned earlier that I didn't have a title for

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the blog get this week, and so I just it

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was just sent to me. I want to get it

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out there. So the blog from Child's there this week

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is doctor JL and how and the International Center for

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Center for UFO Studies. So check that out over PODCASTUFO

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dot com. Thank you, John, So Toby, how did you

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get I know you said you started hanging out and everything,

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but how did you get into the research part of this?

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And where do you how do you research something like this?

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess for me, it goes back to May

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of twenty twenty three. I did a long expose article

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for the Daily Record on John's case. And even though

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I had known about it and seen shows on in

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and everything by interviewing Senator John McCain aide, what's your name, John,

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Cheryl Bennett? Cheryl Bennett Pat's lawyer, Pat Prescoonie. I'm sure

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I got his last name wrong. I learned some interesting

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things about the case that I wasn't aware of. Cheryl

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told me in the process of trying to get John's

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d D two fourteen, which is his military service record

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prove he was at rindellshim at the time that she

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was actually sent at least twenty different DD two fourteens

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with different dates, and none of them had John in

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the service at the time of the incident.

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Speaker 1: I remember that when they were sick, he wasn't even

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in the service, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's wild. So I would talk to

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John and he would actually send me things to look up.

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So for me, the research into his case specifically started

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with him leaving like a breadcrumb trail for me. You know,

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he had already been through this, him and James war

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had already done deep.

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Speaker 3: Dives into all this.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of it was going back and reading

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his book and then just trying to pick his brain

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whenever I got the chance. That evolved into us having

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some time out near a famous ranch.

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Speaker 3: I guess you'd say, John, that's why you brought me

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back into this. That's the part where you really Yeah,

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we went out to Skinwalker Ranch and Toby got a

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taste of what I'd dealt with over the years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and John, you you like attract things, right, I mean,

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you have this That's.

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Speaker 3: What I'm That's where I I don't want to claim

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that I do. I want to just tell you on

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two different occasions, once with Toby's a witness, and another

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time in Sedona where things have happened. So yes, there

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is some evidence that when I show up in areas

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that have known your ap activity that things will take place.

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But I'm not going to go on the record like

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I'm a Chris Blotsoe and some of these other guys

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would show it with me, and I'll show you a UI.

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Speaker 1: Hey, well, I wish I had you with me with

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the Tedesco brothers this weekend. We could have pulled something

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out of the sky. Maybe who knows, But.

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Speaker 3: We'll see the man. I'm back a one more big

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adventure in the fall, so we'll see.

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Speaker 1: Ah ah wow, So John, when this this all happened

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to you at the time were and you had to

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be quiet about it. I mean, was that like a

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really tough time in your life when you know, this

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crazy thing happened, but you weren't I don't know, were

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you not allowed to talk about it at all? Or

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how did they how do they approach that?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's twofold, okay, it's no different than what happened

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with me with all these all these government people that

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showed up after I got sick. It's getting people to

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believe what you're telling them anyways. So for me, I

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was twenty years old, went out into the forest two

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different nights. Weird stuff happened. Couldn't explain it. When I

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went in front of my chain of command, they told

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me that they were, you know, they were looking into it.

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I wrote a statement that to leave it alone. They

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had questions, they get back to me, and I was

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happy with that because I was this was people got

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to realize nineteen days, way before all the social media stuff.

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I think there was one thing that somebody else said,

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I can't think of his name, who's the guy came

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out with the spear Toby.

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, no, no, no, no, it's that guy

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that they're using in my place now.

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Speaker 3: The guy, yeah, Jake Barbara, I said his injuries were

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just like mine, and blah blah blah. But he said

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one thing that if Reynoldson would have happened now, it

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would they couldn't have covered it up, but back in

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nineteen eighty they could, so for me, it was really

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easy just to let it go. The problem is is

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that I got to my next base and there's a

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guy that was at my first base with me. He

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ran his mouth about it, and then people started asking questions.

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Then at pcsked to my third base, and that's when

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the news of the world story broke and then everybody

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started chasing me. So in reality, I probably wouldn't have

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said much at all, but thank god I did, because

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if I hadn't been exposed and took it by the

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bull bottle horns, I probably wouldn't be alive right now

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talking to you.

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Speaker 1: So that's right. And I don't know how you. I

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always had a lot of respect for John McCain. I

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don't know how you championed his office to pay attention

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to that was quite a process to do that.

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Speaker 3: No, it actually didn't start with McCain and started with

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John Kyle, and I first started with trying to go

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to a Democratic congressman who's now a senator out there

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and it was a joke. They didn't want to look

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at it. So I went to Kyle's because his web

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pagea he took care of veterans. I just approached Kyle

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with I was injured in line of duty and they're

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not taking care of me. And they started digging into it,

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and then she was the one the age that was

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working on it realized my records were classified because the

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first response they got was the records weren't when they

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were supposed to be, and she dug deeper and found

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out my records were classified. Then she turned around and

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uh tried to Oh, she had me to do disability

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claim for disability because that should bring my records out. Well,

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according to the VA, both with Kyle's office and McCain's office,

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they didn't have access to my records. But it's enough

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this time, I'll show it. The settlement that I got

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00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,640
actually shows that they actually had my medical records. So

479
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,039
they were lying to both senator to Kyle's office in

480
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:15,000
McCain's office, but Kyle was retiring, so he handed it

481
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:19,119
over to McCain's office, and Cheryl Bennett that you couldn't

482
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,720
ask for a finer person what she did for the

483
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,519
case and everything else. She just pressed forward and kept

484
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,079
running into hurdle after hurdle. Toby the interviewers, she told

485
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,119
him about some of the hurdles to include. It ended

486
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:38,200
up the Inspector General's office in the Attorney General's office,

487
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:43,599
and then eventually when they actually tried to withdraw my claim,

488
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,160
they actually McCain personally got involved and told them either

489
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,599
they get to taken care of or he would do

490
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,160
hearings on the case. And that seemed to move it

491
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,559
forward quicker. But the interesting thing which most people may

492
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,960
not be aware of, the very people that were helping

493
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,920
me with this behind the scenes that went public lad

494
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:03,880
Or actually right after I got my settlement, they went

495
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,279
strength to McCain and his committee with the Dirtz papers.

496
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:10,160
I knew about all those papers. I'd seen them before.

497
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,039
They actually got to given Sean McCain, and they actually

498
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,400
pushed McCain because he had been partly read in and

499
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:20,119
on what went on. Because most people think Congress has

500
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,079
a really good idea what's going on, they don't, and

501
00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:26,160
most of them don't have access to code word sencidive,

502
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,960
which is way above top secret, so only a few do,

503
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,680
which is usually the Gang of Eight. And even they

504
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,720
don't have total access to all this stuff. So McCain

505
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,440
and Cheryl Bennett did the majority of the work. McCain's

506
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:44,119
name and you know, his office played into this whole game.

507
00:27:44,599 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, well that's you know, I mean, just

508
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,440
the fact that you know, when I heard way back

509
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,240
when we're you know what Toby was talking about that

510
00:27:55,279 --> 00:27:57,759
they didn't have you know, they didn't even have your

511
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,480
records that you were in the military or something crazy

512
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:02,960
like that. Maybe there was a rumor, but I mean,

513
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:03,960
the whole thing was no.

514
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: Those two things that went on. First, they did night

515
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,079
I was in from seventy nine to eighty two. That

516
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,400
was a fact. I've got documentation to show it, and

517
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,759
that's what we were up against. And then the second

518
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:17,319
thing is is my medical records. They wouldn't give him

519
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,559
access to my civilian doctor from my heart issues and

520
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,559
those are still classified to this day.

521
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: Is that something? So, Toby, what type of hurdles did

522
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,400
you run up against? What he was talking about? Did

523
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,480
she run up against when she was trying to move

524
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:34,039
that forward.

525
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: Oh, Cheryl, she was completely stonewalled from the beginning. Like

526
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,160
I said, she told me she has three stacks that

527
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,279
are probably at least twelve inches tall of different service

528
00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,440
documents for John, and none of them are the same.

529
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,240
It took her an amazing amount of time to get

530
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,880
the proper documentation to prove he was ever in at

531
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,759
the time of Rendelsham. So she's a really passionate woman

532
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:06,279
that really cares about helping veterans. And I think just

533
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,680
seeing what she did for John in the fight that

534
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,519
she put in really speaks to that and to her

535
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,279
character because she had to fight tooth and nail to

536
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,920
get I mean, it's a simple thing, you think, right,

537
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:22,799
he served his country. Here's the paper showing he did it. Yeah,

538
00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:25,960
But because this crazy event happened and he was injured

539
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,799
all of a sudden, well maybe he wasn't there when

540
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:31,720
he knows, damn well, he was there. They know, damn

541
00:29:31,759 --> 00:29:35,680
well he was there. So it's it blows my mind.

542
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,759
And I don't think people understand the implications of this.

543
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,799
Medical records that are classified. The person that first put

544
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,400
that out, Kit Green said, the only other medical records

545
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,279
that were classified that he had ever seen were Hitler's

546
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:51,039
and JFK.

547
00:29:51,839 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: I would think of JFK.

548
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, that's a pretty big deal and I think

549
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,039
more people should pay attention to that. And as John

550
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:03,680
can tell you, just because he got the settlement, he

551
00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:05,759
was still flat out told you you'll never know what

552
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:08,759
happened to you and you'll never see your medical records.

553
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,519
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell your story A little story on that.

554
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,880
We were at the point when she was working on this.

555
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,920
She got off with AFL PREC, which is the Air

556
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,920
Force Manning System, and they told her there was no

557
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,119
records of me being in from seventy nine eighty two.

558
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:29,599
So she called me and I kind of like challenged her,

559
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,079
like people challenge every things. She goes, look, call them,

560
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,920
here's a number, ask for this person. So I called

561
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,319
him and I got the same master sergeant on the phone,

562
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,839
and she said, there's no evidence that you were in

563
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,599
from seventy nine eighty two. I said, well, I asked

564
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,640
some paint records the show I was. She goes, are

565
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,319
they certified? And they go, what to me, did we

566
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,039
certify those records? I said no. She said, then they're irrelevant,

567
00:30:52,079 --> 00:30:57,119
and I said, I just was like totally completely amazed.

568
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,480
So I hung up the phone and I actually put

569
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,640
my head down and banged it on the desk, and

570
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,920
they said, well, wait a minute. If I don't have

571
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:09,039
those three years, I couldn't have retired. So I call

572
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,519
retirement and they answered the phone and they said, what

573
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:14,960
can we do for you? He said, I'm calling to

574
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:19,880
confirm I'm not retired. And the girl started laughing. But

575
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,359
she says, say that again, and I said, I'm calling

576
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,319
you confirm I'm not retired. She goes, well, I've never

577
00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:28,119
had a question like that. Where are you going with this? Said, well,

578
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,359
according to the United States Air Force, I did not

579
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,799
serve from seventy nine to eighty two, and that means

580
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,200
that I could not be retired. And I am, And

581
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:38,559
she said hold on, and she took my name and stuff.

582
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:39,920
She said, wait a minute, I know who you are,

583
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,920
and I go out. She says, I'm stationed with you

584
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,839
at Castle Air Force Base. Said oh, well, that's great,

585
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,200
and then she told me she was I remembered her,

586
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,680
so she does and she says, oh yeah. She says,

587
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,279
definitely you were in. She goes, but they're flagged. I

588
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,480
go flag, huh. She goes, yep, she goes, it shows

589
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,759
that you just called and so did Cheryl Bennett today.

590
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,079
And I said, so what do I do? And she says, well,

591
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,359
since you're somebody I know, she goes, give me her

592
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,079
contact information. I'll certify certain records that'll get it proven

593
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,960
that you were in from seventy nine to eighty two.

594
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,640
She did, she sent it to Cheryl. So what they

595
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,440
did was they kind a generic ddfour two fourteen. It

596
00:32:20,559 --> 00:32:22,440
said I was in from seventy nine to eighty two.

597
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,640
But it's just generic. It's not really a normal DD

598
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,359
four two fourteen. And I'll tell you another story to this.

599
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:33,359
I cannot get any of my records still because I'm

600
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,880
in the process of trying to get my retirement DD

601
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,920
four two fourteen, and I'm getting to run around from

602
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,160
records and my current congressman has been no help whatsoever.

603
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,039
So my stuff is still classified today.

604
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:52,759
Speaker 1: How frustrating that must be to have to convince someone

605
00:32:53,119 --> 00:32:56,279
of a truth, you know what I mean, I can't

606
00:32:56,319 --> 00:32:56,960
even imagine that.

607
00:32:57,039 --> 00:33:00,519
Speaker 3: Well, that's part of my concern because it's not just us,

608
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,440
it's any kind of thing that you're involved with with

609
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:07,559
the military or and even an agency or whatever, because

610
00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:10,680
when I testify to see Basset's here and citizens hearing,

611
00:33:11,079 --> 00:33:13,279
there was a compression. There's a lot. He's an older guy.

612
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,839
He was consumed from DC and his aid. He still

613
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:18,559
had a staffer worker and came down and talked to

614
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:20,720
me after the testifying because he knew exactly what was

615
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,839
talking about the classified record sections and everything else. And

616
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,480
she came down and told me that his district was Langley,

617
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,759
so they know exactly what was going on. And she

618
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,799
actually helped Cheryl too. She took her information and gave

619
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:37,440
her some advice on how to handle it. But there's

620
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,279
people that are involved in all kinds of stuff that

621
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:43,720
the stuff never happened, so therefore you could not have

622
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,200
been injured, and so therefore you can't get the care

623
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,960
that you need or any kind of disability or compensation

624
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:53,240
goes on all the time. I mean, just go back

625
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:59,079
to what's that they call it the Cuba stuff.

626
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:01,759
Speaker 1: Of the Havana a fact.

627
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 3: You saw the reports where they came out when he

628
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,480
denied these people were injured, and he denied it was

629
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,679
that came from our government. And yet these people were

630
00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:14,880
clearly injured by that syndrome which ties into UAPs too,

631
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,239
and they were clearly injured and they're fighting, like heck,

632
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,360
just to get in and get taken care of. Doctors

633
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,760
can't treat you if they don't know what injured.

634
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: You, right yeah, wow wow. So let's get into why

635
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,920
we think that this. I don't know which one of

636
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,199
you want to handle this, but what started you down

637
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,920
the road where this may not be alien technology?

638
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,039
Speaker 3: God, I can start with that, because I mean, Toby

639
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,840
wasn't involved in that. Basically, it started with James Worrow.

640
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,239
And what I mean by that is I knew there

641
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,719
was more to it than just whatever encounter could be

642
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:58,760
something other than a biological human being. But the interesting

643
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,000
thing was says that Warrel started digging at the area

644
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:09,039
outside the back Gate, which is steep in technology advancements.

645
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,960
As far as they developed lasers there, they developed nuclear

646
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,079
stuff there, they developed radar there. They were working on

647
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:19,760
all kinds of technology out there, including plasmas with the

648
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,679
lasers and stuff like that. So he started digging into that.

649
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,280
And I'm going to add a tidbit to your audience

650
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:29,599
that I don't know if you're most of our awareness,

651
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,239
but Nick Pope's dad was second in command of all

652
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,719
the technical division inside the mod during our event. It

653
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,400
was involved with our event and I'm going to show

654
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,679
proof of that in the fall. So the interesting thing

655
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,280
was this was the British Area fifty one. In fact,

656
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,039
it was probably much more active in nineteen eighty than

657
00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,280
our own Area fifty one was with technology development and

658
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,000
everything else because of radars. In fact, the F one

659
00:35:57,079 --> 00:36:00,679
seventeen was caught that's how it got exposed. Partly the

660
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,199
British caught it was flying out of Scotland and it

661
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,880
was testing Their radar systems were the best in the

662
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,800
world at the time, so it got exposed over there

663
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,000
in Britain. And there was a guy I can't think

664
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:16,159
of his name now he did Project Gringlow that talked

665
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:18,599
about that on the radio. So I had with Linda Maltow.

666
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,599
So the interesting thing is this all goes into plasmas

667
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:28,360
and stealth and time dilation and everything else. So he

668
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,719
started finding all this information like the blue lights of

669
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,920
Colonel Hawks saw in the sky where actually were actually

670
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,360
probably UAP plasmas that part of them where we created

671
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,719
ourselves what they had the ability to do at the time,

672
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:47,280
and they could be controlled by lasers. So the lights

673
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,559
that we saw coming down from these objects could have

674
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,119
very well been coming from the ground up instead of

675
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:53,679
coming down.

676
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

677
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,159
Speaker 3: Plus there was another event that That's the one thing

678
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,639
I'll tell you that this engineer that I know from

679
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:05,360
the UK. It was in the first book and it

680
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,960
was going to be expanded a little bit in the

681
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,880
second one. But there was an event going on at

682
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,400
the time involved they tried to use the cover of

683
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,039
Brendelsom with satellites and the lighthouse and all that. What's

684
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:20,239
interesting is there's a good possibility during this timeframe they

685
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,719
brought down the state of the art of spy satellite

686
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,639
the Russians had that were watching the area. They actually

687
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:28,960
brought it down in what came down in the area

688
00:37:29,159 --> 00:37:31,840
right outside the back gate. So that was going on

689
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,679
at the same time.

690
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: Also, so when it comes to what Colonel Halt claims

691
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,199
that he saw the sink bouncing between you know, I

692
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,840
mean there were different people that, like you said that,

693
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,199
people were saying they saw different things, and but you know,

694
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,800
Colonel Halt talks about this thing that looked like an

695
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,360
eyeball kind of bouncing through the woods that you think

696
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,119
that was a wormhole.

697
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 3: I know it was because I'll say this simply for

698
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,320
the fact is that if you look at Eric Davis's

699
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,000
paper and you look at how it would be viewed

700
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,639
through a starscope, he actually the description he gave of

701
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,440
what he saw is the beginning of a mini wormhole.

702
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,639
And there's a guy that I'm not going to mention

703
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,480
his name, but he's involved deeply in this, and he

704
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:23,800
worked through the Office of a Net Assessment, which most

705
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,079
people aren't even aware of. And there was a guy

706
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,559
calleding Andy Marshall that ran it forever, and his nickname

707
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:33,320
was Yoda. And the fact is is that they were

708
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,960
working on all this technology. And one of the statements

709
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,360
City would always make was they discovered radar when they

710
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,840
were working on the death ray, which his lasers. So

711
00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:45,199
a lot of his technology evolves from something they're already

712
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:48,679
working on or testing and stuff, and those are what

713
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,840
he saw through the starsco Almost one hundred percent was

714
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,760
the mini wormhole, which would then have something to do

715
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,960
with creating a time dollar some level. Wow.

716
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: So, how how would you spect that they would reverse

717
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:07,880
engineer and create and possibly test. Do you think that's

718
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,880
what it was? They were testing something although they were.

719
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 3: Working on bringing the satellite down through and its spelled

720
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,599
out completely. The reason why I say it's a good

721
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,840
chance that that's what took place is he lays this

722
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,239
out in detail, exactly what facilities would be used, how

723
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,280
it would happen, and what would go on. Well, okay,

724
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,199
it's like I'll give you example. You remember the food fighters, right, Yeah,

725
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,760
I did that with Professor Simon. That was the beginning

726
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,400
the nuclear era radars and all that was the creation

727
00:39:39,559 --> 00:39:42,880
of where they just started to discover UAPs and how

728
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,519
radars would influence them be involved with them. And I've

729
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:49,639
told Toby this most likely Roswell had something to do

730
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,960
with radars, because they just put a radar system online

731
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,480
down there right before the Roswell event, and these frequencies

732
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,079
that these radars create and do and will cause these

733
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:05,679
different effects. And I did a special assignment on that,

734
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:08,599
but he didn't do the research Worrol and I did,

735
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,480
and he was just part of it. But there's a difference,

736
00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:14,679
I can always say between being involved in something and

737
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,840
researching it. And my hat goes off to James Worrow

738
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,320
for all the hard work he did on these different

739
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,519
areas and projects. And then now with advanced DAYI you

740
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,880
could go even deeper into these projects, and I found

741
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,639
three projects that people weren't even aware of that were

742
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:35,719
taking place right outside the back. Eight. Margaret, Thatcher's administration

743
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:36,920
has evolved in it.

744
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,639
Speaker 1: Now, there was a I'm trying to remember Lord nell

745
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:43,360
or something.

746
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 3: Norton.

747
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, he.

748
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: Would have been the krival and the p tech expects job.

749
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:49,679
The Secretary of Defense.

750
00:40:50,519 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 1: Uh, well, he got involved in this, that whole situation.

751
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,280
And you know what I mean, wouldn't he have had

752
00:40:57,639 --> 00:40:58,880
some inside information?

753
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: No, no, you wouldn't. It's co word sensitive. The United

754
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,360
States uses that. It's SAP programs and above the needs

755
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,079
to know, and when you're in the R and D

756
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,159
and initial operation stuff, a lot of times it's so

757
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,239
compartmentalized and kept secret that the only time that it's

758
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,000
actually briefed, even to like the Prime Minister or the President,

759
00:41:21,159 --> 00:41:22,960
is when it's going to be utilized.

760
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: All right, So, John, you were injured by whatever this was,

761
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,480
And do you think, I mean, would they actually test

762
00:41:31,679 --> 00:41:36,280
something like this when there could be the possibility of

763
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
injuring you know, servicemen.

764
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,519
Speaker 3: Time after time. Look at MK Ultra, look at the

765
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,199
bomb test, the radar tests, all this stuff. They've done

766
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:49,239
it over and over, the nimits, and I always forget

767
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,519
the other incident, the Gibbel incident, I think it was

768
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:57,800
I called it. I'm sorry what the Roosevelt, Yeah, the Roosevelt. Right,

769
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,199
those are both located by facility that no one wants

770
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:05,119
to acknowledge. Lou Alzando almost gave up the goods unidentified.

771
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,039
But it was interesting, you know. Obviously the interview was

772
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,840
done and they cut it. He was in a segment

773
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:15,239
talking about it, and as the segment was ending, he said,

774
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,559
there's a lot of stuff involved that was set off

775
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:20,920
of Catalina Island and they broke for the commercial and

776
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,599
when they came back, they didn't talk about what it was.

777
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,840
So there's a lot of stuff that's in these different

778
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,000
areas that these two incidents took place, have played into

779
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,960
those incidents, including the second one is when they said

780
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:38,360
they saw drones. Okay, but people wanted to disregard that.

781
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,559
But they've gotten to the point now where they've got

782
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:45,239
the competing which is quantum quantum satellites and the energy

783
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,320
sources that they no longer have to be close to

784
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,440
these facilities to create those effects.

785
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:56,119
Speaker 1: Now, what about the theory. I think it was Penison

786
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,400
probably Is he the only one that thinks this could

787
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,039
be a time to travel situation or are there other

788
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:03,760
people that have that thoughts as well.

789
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,519
Speaker 3: The problem with Pedicine is is he's not off base

790
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,159
on the technology involved and what the applications could be.

791
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,840
My issue with pedisin was always twofold number one. He

792
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,119
didn't come out with the facts till years later, and

793
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:19,119
then the excuses he provided moren't truthful because some of

794
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:22,440
the excuses he provided. I was there when he could

795
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,880
have exposed the notebook in the early nineties and he didn't,

796
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,599
and then he held on to the codes till later.

797
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:33,480
But the fact of the matter is is that is

798
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:36,639
that it very well could involve time travel, yes, which

799
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:38,199
is what time dilation is?

800
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:46,639
Speaker 1: Ah wow? And how is this just beyond understanding or

801
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:47,880
is there some way you can.

802
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,400
Speaker 3: Well, I'm going to tell me now. I A're going

803
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,639
to try to explain it in the book. But I

804
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,679
don't claim to be an expert or scientist. But the

805
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,840
facts are there. You just have to look at the

806
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,119
dirt papers, and you have to look at what Davis

807
00:44:01,159 --> 00:44:05,079
talked about, what wormholes are, what time violation is, what

808
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,320
put Off talked about the proposal system, which is given

809
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,960
as evidence at the hearing with Gresh. The evidence is there.

810
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:15,320
The problem is the nuts and mults. UFO people don't

811
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,840
want to accept any of it. And maraje Man even

812
00:44:19,159 --> 00:44:22,280
basically the documentary in the book went into some of it,

813
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,880
including what Green said about how people don't realize they

814
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:30,280
were conditioned to believe what UFOs are, but in reality

815
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,440
is a lot different and it's not as bad as

816
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,159
the conditioning. They're not going to come here and eat you,

817
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:38,039
you know, and destroy you or try to take take

818
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,360
you know, you know, take you away. But there is

819
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,079
an other intelligence life. It just may not be a

820
00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:48,519
biological being. It could be something totally different to include Reynolds,

821
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:52,599
whom could involve our own consciousness and our consciousness coming

822
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:53,519
back from the future.

823
00:44:55,159 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: Wow, Toby, do you have anything you want to add

824
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:57,960
to that?

825
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: No, I think John summed it up very well. Okay,

826
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,000
maybe now's a good time since he's talking about the book.

827
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 3: We have a three part series we've been working on.

828
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: The first book is out. The second book is going

829
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,840
to be I feel extremely impactful because it's gonna be

830
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,880
about John's journey from Rindlesham to where he is now.

831
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,960
All right, from my perspective, there's a lot of things

832
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,639
about his story that people haven't heard that it's gonna

833
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:30,880
blow their minds.

834
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah.

835
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 4: Back in nineteen eighty, a time when the East's nuclear

836
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,519
threat was still a major concern, strange objects were seen

837
00:45:41,519 --> 00:46:03,960
over woods near the abbase at Woodbridge.

838
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back, so so that shows all the information.

839
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,599
I'll have all that information down in the show notes

840
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:18,960
for those of you with that are listening to the

841
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:26,400
audio segment of that. But uh wow, DNA What I

842
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,639
saw the word DNA? What does that have to do

843
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,840
with this? Where does that all fit in that?

844
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 3: That has to do with the fact that it was

845
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:36,920
a long story. But the short jest of it is

846
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,039
Kick Green, when you first showed up, met with my attorney,

847
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:44,639
Pat for Sconia, then came out to Sedona with Pat

848
00:46:44,679 --> 00:46:49,519
and his wife, who's attorney Annas, evaluated me and then

849
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,920
I wanted to take a DNA sample and it wasn't

850
00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:55,880
the normal one where you spit into it too, it

851
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,199
was blood. And I told him that because there was

852
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:03,239
no way to verify the information, and so he left

853
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,239
and he still sent Gary Nolan and Colon Kala her

854
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,960
down the next day. It reached from a sci fi

855
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,239
it does, and it's hard for people to believe. But

856
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,840
I've got the proof that it happened. There were minding

857
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,239
pat can verify it. But Gary Nolan, they flew him

858
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,840
from Stanford to Vegas. Colin Hunter and him drove down

859
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,079
the next day and they met with us in a

860
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,840
hotel to try to convince me to give up my blood,

861
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,079
which I wouldn't do, and they wanted to be part

862
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,360
of the DNA study that they were doing. That they

863
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,800
weren't ever going to tell you any of the results

864
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,840
or anything else. Well, they eventually got my DNA when

865
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,679
they did the heart surgery. I found that out to

866
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:43,920
John Alexander, but the facts behind it added up. I

867
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,480
knew something went on. He just verified what I knew

868
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:50,880
took place, and then they got my DNA. Green came

869
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,039
back and visited me in Illinois with some documents he

870
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,440
didn't want to put out over the Internet, and some

871
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,400
formulas and stuff that had to do with time dilation

872
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,559
and stuff that effected our case. But he also wanted

873
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,119
me to give a sample of a spit sample this time,

874
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:12,119
not the blood, and I agreed to it because I

875
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:14,159
knew they already had it, so whenever they got the

876
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:18,800
first time, obviously they wanted to have my permission to

877
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,440
use it all right, And whatever they were doing, most

878
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,039
likely it was behind closed doors with the DVD. So

879
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,920
but to get to the point was the test came

880
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,639
back and Green and Nola made a big deal which

881
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:31,760
will be exposed in the upcoming book of what they

882
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,320
said was involving myself, my son, and my family exactly

883
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,159
what it involved. But it was all done through a

884
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:42,559
Repido lab in Pennsylvania. I have the reports and everything else.

885
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,239
But another interrucy tibbet that will come out in the

886
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,800
fall is I actually have an interaction between Christopher Green

887
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,119
and one of my VA doctors talking about a lot

888
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:57,199
of stuff that took place. So, I mean, this was

889
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,400
just started the whole thing with DNA Gary Nolan's involvement.

890
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,159
They never can get the story right now. Gary Nolan's

891
00:49:05,159 --> 00:49:07,679
trying to claim that he saw my medical records. He

892
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,119
couldn't have. No one's seen him. And then he's trying

893
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,639
to say there's nothing to them, but again he couldn't

894
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,239
have seen them. But they clearly were doing a study

895
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,679
on people that had exposed or UAPs that were confirmed,

896
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,760
and I was one of them, and they were trying

897
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,800
to figure out how it affected our DNA or was

898
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,440
it our DNA that attracted this phenomenon.

899
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,079
Speaker 1: Wow, now I know Gary Nolan has taken brain scans.

900
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:36,000
Did he ask you to do that as well?

901
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? But that got pooh pooh because I was a

902
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,159
pacemaker and even though it's one that could be susceptible

903
00:49:42,199 --> 00:49:46,079
to that, they couldn't justify. They claimed they couldn't justify it.

904
00:49:47,079 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well I think that that whole part of

905
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,559
it is fascinating that there could be changes made, you know,

906
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,880
or maybe, like they said, maybe that's you know, there

907
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,840
are some people that seemed to you know, you mentioned

908
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,679
Chris Blood, so I don't know this. Some people think

909
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,360
that's real, some people don't. I don't really know him

910
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,639
on the fence about it, but uh, you know, I

911
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,880
have seen videos that seemed of things, but I don't

912
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,119
know how how those videos have been analyzed.

913
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 3: Everything I've got with in mind, and I'm not saying

914
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,239
that he doesn't have an ability to do something. So

915
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,039
I'm not a scientist. I haven't seen the data, and

916
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,280
I haven't been around him. But what I will tell

917
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,719
you is this, if he had that kind of ability,

918
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,400
why is he still walking.

919
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,679
Speaker 1: Around in what? In what way?

920
00:50:39,559 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 5: If he's got that kind of ability, he can be weaponized,

921
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,519
just saying you have them in some kind of program

922
00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:49,400
and some kind of thing going on, and why would

923
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,320
they want it out there for the public view?

924
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have.

925
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you're right about it. Seems like

926
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,320
the government and the military are always looking for ways

927
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:04,159
to weaponize whatever, whatever it is. I mean, I'm sure

928
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:06,519
AI will be weaponized or used.

929
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,559
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, you don't understand. That plays into

930
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,280
part of what we're going to talk about. You notice

931
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,280
they talk about, uh, the way they were what is

932
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:20,639
the de I Toby, one of the one of the

933
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:25,679
they use which is artificial intelligence. But they're working on

934
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,719
and this will blow your mind, but this is real

935
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,119
because they've already admitted the space the Science Division said

936
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:34,119
they have the ability to manipulate space and time. But

937
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:41,079
ultimately artificial intelligence. You explained to me first, Martin, what

938
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,880
is artificial intelligence? To you?

939
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: It's just advanced. It's almost like all the information gets

940
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:55,360
put in and then it's sorted intelligently. To regurgitate whatever it.

941
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 3: Is, Where does it come from?

942
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: It comes from us originally, so and all our information

943
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,960
it comes from our consciousness, right, I guess you would

944
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:05,679
say that, yeah.

945
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 3: It's our consciousness, biological consciousness that it's putting it all together. Now,

946
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,320
here's the interesting thing. Think about the DNA studies. They

947
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,320
made them cheap, but they're analyzing everybody's DNA for a reason.

948
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,480
The study you get back is not what they're doing

949
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:25,719
with you. Like my DNA test was a ten thousand

950
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,920
dollars pop test that was done by a lab in Pennsylvania.

951
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,559
They're probably doing that. They're looking for certain markers of

952
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,559
trying to understand different people that may have different markers

953
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and abilities. But DNA goes to consciousness, which comes into

954
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the biological body, and they are now taking every time

955
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somebody uses it, everything that gets put in there is

956
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creating a database that can be used by this artificial intelligence.

957
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Now that's from the biological What they're trying to do

958
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and they're working on it is separate the consciousness from

959
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the biological body. Because of the difficulties they're having with

960
00:53:09,199 --> 00:53:15,519
AI is taking over the consciousness that the computing that

961
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,079
they're putting into it, okay, And they're trying to put

962
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consciousness separated from the biological body to control the AI

963
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and they're losing that battle too. So all this information,

964
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all this stuff that's out there, all the data is

965
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coming together. There are people that they're trying to put

966
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stuff together with UFO stuff, stories and stuff. His name

967
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:41,519
was out of England. Who was doing that, Isaac coy Let.

968
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Everybody's articles and research. This is on a national Every

969
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:49,920
single thing that's out there, every belief you have, everything

970
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,440
that you know. They're putting it all together into a database.

971
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're scraping. I heard AI is even scraping

972
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every YouTube.

973
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Speaker 3: No, everything that's gone on.

974
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Speaker 1: Out hundreds of hours minute it go up there and

975
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it's being scraped constantly. Crazy.

976
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Speaker 3: This is stuff that's being put together so AI. But

977
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where where does it become sent When does it become sentient?

978
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You know? Yeah, And when consciousness is separated from the

979
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biological body, it comes into the body, you know, as

980
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it's being formed in the mother's roomb so it matches

981
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up with the body and the DNA and the body.

982
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That's how deep this is being looked at and' going

983
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to be weaponized.

984
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Speaker 1: Wow, pretty scary. Well, it's been a real pleasure to

985
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speak to you both, and let's go ahead and throw

986
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how people can find your information. I will have it

987
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down below, but just for those listening now.

988
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Speaker 2: So we have the book series coming and we also

989
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:58,119
have a documentary coming out on John's case that is

990
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:02,719
going to have world exclusive, never before seen documents that

991
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:07,079
I think definitively put to bed that something happened to him.

992
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,039
So definitely keep an eye out for both of those things.

993
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The website is Warrenthshadows dot com. And Martin, I'd like

994
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to give a shout out to my Roswell research partner,

995
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,119
Paul Simoni's he heard I was coming on your show

996
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:23,880
and he was really excited. Oh great, Yeah, maybe we

997
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:25,719
can have me and him on because we're digging up

998
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,000
new information on a case that's almost eighty years old.

999
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Speaker 3: That's just.

1000
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Speaker 2: Mind boggling.

1001
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Speaker 1: Love to have that. Yeah, all right, well, thanks so

1002
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much for you both. It's been a real pleasure.

1003
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Speaker 3: Thanks for having us, Thanks for having us.

1004
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Speaker 1: All right, all right, take care, all right everyone. We'll

1005
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be back next week and thanks so much for tuning in,

1006
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and we'll also be here on Friday at six pm.

1007
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Every Friday at six pm. Thanks so much, and remember

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to keep your eyes to this