WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.359 The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network. 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.599 Welcome to tech Talk Radio. I'm your host, Matt Jones. 3 00:00:09.720 --> 00:00:14.560 I'm not dead, I'm Sean's Weird, I'm Justin Lemmey, and 4 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:15.599 I'm Andy Taylor. 5 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:18.440 Good to see that you are not dead. Matt. It's 6 00:00:18.440 --> 00:00:19.960 been a while. How long has it been since you 7 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:20.640 been on the show. 8 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:22.199 It's been months. 9 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:25.120 Yeah. People miss you. They say, where's that guy? Matt? 10 00:00:25.640 --> 00:00:27.160 They call in all the time. They don't call when 11 00:00:27.160 --> 00:00:28.839 I'm out sick, they call where's Matt. 12 00:00:29.320 --> 00:00:31.440 It's because I'm so pretty. 13 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:34.960 Well. Now they can see you in better quality with 14 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:38.560 Riverside FM. So there you go. We're all getting a 15 00:00:38.640 --> 00:00:41.359 chance to test this out today. Sean. I liked what 16 00:00:41.399 --> 00:00:43.320 we did last week with it, and it came out 17 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:44.759 pretty good, very easy to use. 18 00:00:45.280 --> 00:00:47.600 So for I'm like the first comment was, hey, the 19 00:00:47.679 --> 00:00:48.600 video quality's better. 20 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:50.920 So I mean, even if the layman is looking at 21 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:53.240 it and going to qualities better. I know that YouTube 22 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:55.359 and those other places that they can really muck up 23 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:57.359 the algorithm and then the compression and stuff. 24 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:58.759 But it looked really good. 25 00:00:58.759 --> 00:00:59.640 You sent me the link to it. 26 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:00.399 Immediately. 27 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:02.560 Notice a difference from what we had to been uploading 28 00:01:02.560 --> 00:01:04.120 the Zoom and I know that Zoom was keeping as 29 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:05.959 it like six forty three twenty or something. 30 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.640 Yeah, yeah, and this is great because I've got the 31 00:01:08.640 --> 00:01:11.000 thirty five hundred dollars Cameraight here, I'm running four K, 32 00:01:11.120 --> 00:01:12.439 so I'm gonna look beautiful. 33 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:16.000 Yeah, that's the thing. So we're we're on kind of 34 00:01:16.040 --> 00:01:20.159 the testing plan for it. Was that a maybe not so. 35 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:24.560 Beautiful cameras cameras watch your mouth, well I watch your mouth, mat. 36 00:01:25.400 --> 00:01:27.959 But we're you know, we're using the the kind of 37 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.040 a test run for it. Next week. We may even 38 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:34.239 go with the actual four K version to see where 39 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:36.719 we It's just the problem is I paid for a 40 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.480 Zoom subscription for a year. It's not up until February, 41 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:43.359 so it'd be like I'm gonna have to find some 42 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:46.400 other purpose for it because Zoom is just not delivering. 43 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:48.280 And when I asked him, I said, wait, we all 44 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:50.560 have HD. Why can't we, you know, get it in 45 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:53.719 at least seven to twenty p And they said to 46 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:56.680 do that, it's about two grand years. 47 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:58.719 Just straight up, just straight up tell him you're gonna quit, 48 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:00.840 Just straight up say I'm moving to a different platform. 49 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:02.480 That's cheaper because your product socks. 50 00:02:02.560 --> 00:02:06.120 Yeah, it's just it's just a total tell them that. Yeah. 51 00:02:06.519 --> 00:02:08.039 And you know the thing. One one of the other 52 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.280 reasons I do like Zoom and I will give it 53 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:14.199 to Zoom is their AI transcription. So afterwards I could 54 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:17.159 go back and read what the show, what we said 55 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.719 about in the show, and it's it's actually put in 56 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:23.000 together into synopsis using AI. I don't do it word 57 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:24.360 for word, but I go through it and I use 58 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:26.800 it kind of as a as a template. It gives 59 00:02:26.840 --> 00:02:27.960 me the ability to edit. 60 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:28.680 Well. 61 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:31.000 Turns out Riverside does this as well, and it does 62 00:02:31.039 --> 00:02:33.639 the clips. So again, I'm really happy so far with 63 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:36.159 what I've seen. We'll see what we get as far 64 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.879 as the actual with all of us and how it 65 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:40.960 ends up looking. So yeah, let us know what you 66 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.080 the viewer think about this. Matt. The reason you've been 67 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:44.919 out is work. 68 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:45.759 Yeah. 69 00:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.159 Work has been a lot, learning a lot, very quickly 70 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:51.599 getting spun up. I really am enjoying it. I like 71 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.599 my new coworkers, I love my new shop. I am 72 00:02:54.680 --> 00:03:00.840 having a great time. It is just been thoroughly kicking mckeister. Yeah, 73 00:03:00.879 --> 00:03:03.520 and you know it's but it's good. I'm learning a 74 00:03:03.520 --> 00:03:05.280 lot there. I'm learning a lot with stuff I'm doing 75 00:03:05.319 --> 00:03:07.479 on my home lab. I'm I'm in a happy place. 76 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:10.280 That's good. That's good. And I know justin you were 77 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.360 at last week because it's just been kind of NonStop 78 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.479 for you as your Is you gearing up for a 79 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:20.599 new season or the wind down? Is that what finds 80 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:21.039 you busy? 81 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.000 Well, I mean, I'm gearing up for back to school, 82 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:26.199 you know, kids going back to school. We're having to 83 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:28.599 do a lot of last little yeah, i know, right, 84 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.759 last little day camp things. And then there's obviously days 85 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:34.719 where I've just i have to watch them the entire day, 86 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:37.719 and you know, having an eight year old kid running around, 87 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.599 it's uh, you know, yeah, he demands attention all the 88 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.120 time unless you're put him in front of a screen. 89 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:46.919 So it's a it's a challenge for that. But yeah, 90 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:49.159 and work side, Yeah, I'm just trying to wind down 91 00:03:49.680 --> 00:03:51.439 the season where we're getting close to the end of 92 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.680 the season here and things are busy. We're you know, 93 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:57.280 off season is kind of where we get busy with 94 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.759 an it. You know, during the season, it's you can't 95 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:02.639 really do much, you know, you gotta it's pretty much 96 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:04.919 break fix. But when we get through the off season, 97 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:08.080 when we're not in operation mode. Yeah, that's kind of 98 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:08.840 when we get busy. 99 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:10.919 I'm kind of wondering because you do an it for 100 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:16.040 different groups within an organization, and of course one of 101 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.720 the big things that we're talking about now, we're two 102 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:23.439 months away now from Windows ten end of life? Have 103 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:26.040 you getting me? You getting questions from some of your 104 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.839 user base? Are they saying, what do I do? Is 105 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.720 my stuff still gonna work? Is there a misconception that 106 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:34.360 suddenly their computers won't work anymore? Or are you making 107 00:04:34.399 --> 00:04:37.240 sure everybody's updated? Well, for the most. 108 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.439 Part, we're completely h updated. I mean, there's a there's 109 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:43.279 a few computers that we have to rely on that 110 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:47.079 are Windows ten, but we've paid for the extended support, 111 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.199 so we have, I believe, until twenty twenty seven before 112 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:52.240 we have to, you know, really start thinking about what 113 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:54.399 we're gonna do here. But for the most part, we're 114 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.600 we're on Windows eleven. Now, you know, there's a there's 115 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:58.879 a lot of people out there there are still running 116 00:04:58.879 --> 00:05:00.839 Windows ten. In fact, there's that an article I read 117 00:05:00.879 --> 00:05:06.439 about the guy from California suing Microsoft saying that it's 118 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:10.600 unfairly moving people to Windows eleven. I think his argument 119 00:05:10.879 --> 00:05:15.839 was trying to prepare people for the AI model, and 120 00:05:16.519 --> 00:05:18.639 you know, not really saying that Windows ten is not 121 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:21.360 a good operating system. He's saying it's a fine operating system. 122 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:23.199 But you're just trying to want to push everybody to 123 00:05:23.240 --> 00:05:25.439 Windows eleven so you can run your AI models and stuff. 124 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:26.920 So I don't know that that's gonna be an interesting 125 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:29.639 one to follow to see if that goes anywhere, But 126 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.000 in terms of my world, we're pretty much on Windows eleven. 127 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:37.319 Did anybody think it was strange though, that when Microsoft 128 00:05:37.360 --> 00:05:40.399 came out and made the announcement that, oh, well, we're 129 00:05:40.439 --> 00:05:43.120 gonna find different routes for those that are still using 130 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.360 Windows ten and are not able because not everybody can update. 131 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.199 It's not a choice for many people. It's just you can't. 132 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.759 You don't have the equipment, you don't have the TPM 133 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:54.720 two point zero, you don't have a suitable processor, just 134 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.120 not the right situation for you to be able to update. 135 00:05:58.120 --> 00:05:59.800 And then he came out and said, well, we're gonna 136 00:05:59.839 --> 00:06:02.920 make it so that we can push security updates, so 137 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:06.600 they still can do it, but push security updates, not 138 00:06:06.680 --> 00:06:10.279 feature updates, but security updates. If you allow us to 139 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:14.000 use one drive and you connect with a Microsoft account. Now, 140 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:16.319 if you're like I know most of us, I would 141 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.120 think they use a local account. Suddenly now you're gonna 142 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:22.040 have to use a Microsoft account with one drive to 143 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.040 be able to get that. Or you could pay around 144 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.879 thirty bucks and get the support for a year with 145 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:33.000 the security updates. Is it make you feel like, wait 146 00:06:33.000 --> 00:06:35.720 a minute, wait, so you can help us, you can 147 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:37.199 give us what we've paid for. 148 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:39.240 I think that's what the the guy with the lawsuit 149 00:06:39.240 --> 00:06:42.360 is claiming. He's like, you are fully able to keep 150 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:45.600 providing support for Windows ten. You don't want to provide 151 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:47.360 support for Windows ten. So I think that's where this 152 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:48.360 guy's lawsuit lies. 153 00:06:48.439 --> 00:06:51.160 I'm also remembering, like back in the day, when they 154 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.639 were doing the initial press junk kits for Windows ten, 155 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.319 they were like, we are moving we are moving on 156 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.800 from Windows eight point one, and there was much rejoicing there. 157 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:02.519 We're going to go to Windows ten, and I remember 158 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.800 them being like, this is the last operating system from 159 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.199 Microsoft you will have to buy, because we're just going 160 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:12.399 to keep pushing feature updates and security updates and building 161 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:16.079 it that way. We're not going to go past Windows ten. 162 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:19.199 Fast forward to a few years later, they're like introducing 163 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.639 Windows eleven and everyone's like, wait a minute, you told 164 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.839 us we didn't have to do this anymore. This is 165 00:07:25.879 --> 00:07:29.040 not a feature update. This is a whole new operating system. 166 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:31.800 If we think about it. Windows eleven has been around 167 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:34.759 for how long, Like was it four years ago that 168 00:07:34.879 --> 00:07:38.040 when it came out that it was actually launched eleven? 169 00:07:38.199 --> 00:07:40.319 So I mean we've had all this time and ten 170 00:07:40.399 --> 00:07:43.560 has worked fine, eleven has worked fine, So why are 171 00:07:43.600 --> 00:07:46.839 they forcing this on the people? If they can do 172 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:49.560 security updates for a year, they can definitely give it 173 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:52.160 to everybody and without them having to pay the thirty bucks. 174 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:54.920 So is it corporate greed? That's going to be a 175 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:58.000 part of it, especially for companies because we talk about 176 00:07:58.000 --> 00:08:01.959 that thirty dollars for a company that's thirty dollars per seat, 177 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:05.360 If they want to do that, you know, we're in 178 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:10.120 a situation where we have computers that run specific software, 179 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:14.480 specific equipment. They're not saying a word. They haven't said 180 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:18.720 anything about Windows eleven and what's going to be happening 181 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:20.839 past October Now? Some people are saying, well, why you 182 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.279 guys even talking about it doesn't really matter. Then it 183 00:08:23.319 --> 00:08:26.680 does from a security standpoint, because we still would hope 184 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:29.839 that we'd have these security features that you'd be able 185 00:08:29.839 --> 00:08:33.000 to update. Well, if somebody asked me, is this something 186 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.799 that malware bites could do? Could it? Did Matt fall 187 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:44.720 asleep or did his camera lock up? They froze? I 188 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.679 looked at Matt's camera and I'm like, his eyes are closed. 189 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:52.960 I think he fell asleep. We are all t maybe 190 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:54.320 our listeners are doing the same. 191 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:58.200 I don't know, honestly, Like it froze for a second. 192 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:00.919 I immediately checked like all my bad and with this fine, 193 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.360 there's no overhead, I can log into my all my 194 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:06.559 networking gear, and it was like everything's fine. It was 195 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:12.320 just for a second. Riverside FM was just like, no, 196 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:12.799 I don't. 197 00:09:12.639 --> 00:09:16.480 Think it's he's and he's gone, Well he'll come back 198 00:09:16.519 --> 00:09:19.200 in a second, all right. Now, we didn't get a 199 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.480 what the heck is it doing to him? All right? So, Sean, 200 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:26.519 what about you? We didn't get a chance to hear 201 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:28.159 from you, like what you so? 202 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:30.840 Well if you want to ask about Windows ten. 203 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.200 So we were told so the university has a very 204 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:40.039 strict policy on when official support ends you cannot have 205 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:42.279 a device that's ruined that operates this just about campus. 206 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:44.559 Oh wow, all right, so they will. 207 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:45.159 They will. 208 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:47.639 I'm not joking when I say they will come to 209 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:51.080 your office, knock on your door and say where is. 210 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.919 This device plugged into this switch, plugged into that port. 211 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.919 It's running Windows ten. That's what they're doing right now. 212 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:58.000 They're auditing us. Right now. 213 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:00.759 We have somebody from IT that's here in our office 214 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:04.919 auditing our entire network stack and checking every computer to 215 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:07.840 make sure it' scott Windows eleven or the most up 216 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.919 to date version of whatever Linux version we're running, whatever version. 217 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:13.919 Of mac OS we're running. 218 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:15.799 Like, if you can't run the most recent version of 219 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:19.360 mac OS that's been verified or vetted by the university, 220 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:19.799 it's gone. 221 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:22.600 It's gotta go. Well now, so it's it's pretty wild. 222 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:27.080 So my question before we had Matt fall asleep, the 223 00:10:27.159 --> 00:10:30.559 question was could a third party program like malur bites, 224 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.679 e set or any of those programs help provide that 225 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.200 layer of security that Microsoft says, well, you'll lose if 226 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:38.879 you don't update to Windows eleven. 227 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:44.320 For a layman, yeah sure, yeah, sure, I mean you 228 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.759 have people still running XP you still for people running seven. 229 00:10:47.120 --> 00:10:48.440 No, I don't know. 230 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:50.399 I mean XP, Yeah, I don't know about that. 231 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:52.320 There are still people running it because people. 232 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:55.480 I have seen I have seen. I have seen countless 233 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.440 YouTube videos of somebody who fires up a VM running 234 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:02.279 Windows XP and as soon as they enabled that network adapter, 235 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:05.519 within like thirty seconds, they've got like fifteen pieces of 236 00:11:05.639 --> 00:11:10.480 malware viruses just simply being connected to the Internet. Like 237 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.399 they don't even go on browse anything. So I highly 238 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.039 doubt anyone's actually running XP. 239 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:19.440 Well that's a good point though, And here's something else too. 240 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:22.279 If you run Windows ten and you're not connecting to 241 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:27.399 the internet, it's just to do something within your network 242 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:30.639 that's not connected to the Internet. You really don't have 243 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:32.840 to worry about it. At that point you're gonna lose, 244 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.279 you're not gonna get some feature updates, but at that 245 00:11:35.320 --> 00:11:37.320 point you're it's not gonna be too much of a 246 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:42.360 security risk. We had Windows XP here at the radio 247 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:46.000 station up until three years ago for doing our music 248 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:49.559 and playing our automation. It was a system that Google 249 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:53.879 it actually had bought Scott Studios became Google, and then 250 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:57.120 of course that's what did it, and it just was 251 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.480 not connected to the Internet. It was connected networking from 252 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.120 the studio to the production room and that was about it. 253 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.639 So we really didn't have to worry about it, I'll 254 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:08.840 tell you. Making the update to Windows ten was kind 255 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:11.559 of sweet. It was nice, just a little better. We're 256 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:14.000 still not connected to the internet, you know, They're just 257 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:18.039 connected within the network and that's it. So, you know, 258 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:21.600 I just wonder. I just wonder how many people are 259 00:12:21.639 --> 00:12:24.960 just are fearful that Windows is going away. I did 260 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.200 a TV segment on Monday about this, and there's a 261 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.200 lot of people that are really frightened about it. That 262 00:12:30.559 --> 00:12:33.159 but with these two options, it still makes you wonder 263 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.960 what the heck is going on that couldn't they just 264 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.960 give that to you anyways for the for a price? 265 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:39.000 I guess, I don't know. 266 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.799 I kind of wonder too about third party companies that 267 00:12:42.080 --> 00:12:44.879 they don't make the software anymore. Somebody was using Windows 268 00:12:44.919 --> 00:12:47.480 ten and they want to start using Windows eleven and 269 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:50.320 they can't update it, and now they're not going to 270 00:12:50.320 --> 00:12:52.039 be able to use that third party software. I ran 271 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:56.080 into that with Creative Sweet five point five. I couldn't 272 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:57.360 get it activated anymore. 273 00:12:57.519 --> 00:12:59.480 Speaking of just you know, Internet in general, I mean 274 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:04.240 running an old operating system on the internet. Is is 275 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.360 just definitely not something that you should be doing. Uh yeah, No, 276 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:11.000 like I said to XP or whatever, you want to 277 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:15.039 keep yourself updated as best as you possibly can. You know, yeah, 278 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:17.159 I do know people out there are still running Windows seven, 279 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.240 and I guess Windows seven still gets you know, and 280 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.519 that doesn't really get any you know, feature updates. It 281 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.279 might get a few security updates or anything, but it's 282 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:27.960 just going to go the way of XP. I would 283 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:29.639 just say, I mean, just just I mean, we talked 284 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:31.840 about it a couple weeks ago. You know, if you're concerned 285 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:34.960 about having to constantly buy a new operating system over 286 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:36.799 and over and over, you know, do what we talked 287 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.759 about a couple weeks ago, run Linux. Yeah, and Linux 288 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:42.799 is getting so much more exposure now. There are more 289 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.759 people writing about it, more people talking about it, more 290 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.639 people testing it out, showing you know, the different and 291 00:13:49.120 --> 00:13:51.120 we have told people, Sean, you mentioned this last week 292 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:53.120 on the show, if they have an old computer, what 293 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:53.799 should they do. 294 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:56.159 Little Linux on it. I mean, you have an older computer, 295 00:13:56.399 --> 00:13:59.120 some older with with a little bit of extra effort, 296 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.440 most older men can also run Linux. I mean they're 297 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:07.120 all just running Intel process. There's anyways is Linux Mint. 298 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:12.159 It's super easy. There are tons and tons of guys 299 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.679 online to just here's how you install it. You can 300 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:17.240 be up and running in a short period of time faster. 301 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.679 You can faster than you can with Windows. So I 302 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:26.200 just I highly recommend if you're at least technologically curious 303 00:14:26.240 --> 00:14:30.600 about not running Windows, Linux Mint rufus and you're off 304 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:31.039 and running. 305 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:33.879 Sean, you're kind of the Mac guy out of the group. 306 00:14:33.919 --> 00:14:35.919 I think, I don't know justin You're you're not a 307 00:14:36.039 --> 00:14:39.720 Mac guy, right, No, So I'm just wondering, Sean, do 308 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.039 you think this will cause some people to say, em, 309 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:43.360 I'm gonna go ahead and try Mac. 310 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.600 Oh, one hundred percent. So I have a coworker who 311 00:14:46.840 --> 00:14:48.759 just said, I'm done with Windows. I'm done. 312 00:14:49.120 --> 00:14:51.360 Loved how the M four chips work, sports, everything we 313 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:53.879 need to do, we're all we mostly have Max at work, 314 00:14:54.240 --> 00:14:56.480 so he was kind of getting introduced with it there too, 315 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:00.399 but he either runs Linux or runs Mac. He just 316 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.639 kind of got fed up with Windows eleven. The bloat, 317 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:06.120 the ads, the complications of what I think the co 318 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:09.120 pilot stuff, and then the recall portion of it kind 319 00:15:09.120 --> 00:15:12.080 of triggered him. In terms of his his vantage point 320 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.279 on privacy and security. So I think he kind of 321 00:15:14.279 --> 00:15:15.240 got spooked by that. 322 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:17.159 So much better. 323 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.080 Is recall still a thing though? I mean, is that 324 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.559 to me? It was like everybody's talking about it, and 325 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:25.080 then it was like, eh, I think they recalled recall. 326 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:28.960 I know you could turn it off. 327 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:32.840 But Linux, I mean, if you don't like when, I mean, 328 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:35.600 it is what it is. If you if you're used 329 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:38.919 to it, it's it's people are gonna use it no 330 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:40.720 matter what. You're not going to convince the masses to 331 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:41.960 give it up for privacy. 332 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:44.519 This is the part where we really needed Matt back 333 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:47.600 in the conversation right here, because he recently just went 334 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.720 through the whole process of just getting rid of big 335 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:52.159 tech from his house. I mean, he talked a little 336 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.159 bit about in pre show getting rid of all of 337 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:59.600 his Google speakers, is Amazon, Alexa's, there was ness, doorbell, 338 00:16:00.159 --> 00:16:02.679 you know, all that stuff, because you know, they're just 339 00:16:02.759 --> 00:16:04.759 it doesn't matter even if you you know, he was 340 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.000 telling me privately, he was like, yeah, you know, we 341 00:16:07.039 --> 00:16:09.200 turned off the we turned off the microphones on our 342 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:11.799 on our speakers, and we would be having conversations and 343 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:14.519 yet we'd still get ads based on that even though 344 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.399 the microphones were turned off quote unquote air quotes there 345 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:22.039 turned off. Now, some some listeners may may may not 346 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.799 know what you're talking about because some of this technology 347 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.799 that we bring into our homes and we we think 348 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.080 it's cool to be able to ask a device to 349 00:16:30.480 --> 00:16:32.720 play a song for us, or set a timer. 350 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:36.320 You know. I I every night, I set I mentioned 351 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.720 the other day, I set mine to wake up to 352 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:41.720 a certain song or certain artists every morning, and at 353 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:44.639 you know, four fifty in the morning. Uh. And I 354 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.559 looked at Glory and I said, man, to think we 355 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:50.759 used to do this with an alarm clock, you know, 356 00:16:51.399 --> 00:16:53.960 or that old AMFM radio Clay you remember those things. 357 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:57.000 Now you just do it with your voice. But some 358 00:16:57.039 --> 00:17:01.879 people don't understand that that stuff that they that they 359 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:05.640 are talking about, suddenly they get ads on their Google 360 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:09.160 accounts or while they're browsing that were stuff that they 361 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:11.559 were talking about. You saw this first, sand justin. 362 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:16.000 Well, yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean I'll reiterate what happened 363 00:17:16.039 --> 00:17:17.559 a long time ago. I just kind of tested it. 364 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:21.920 I walked around the house and we had an what 365 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:24.680 was at Amazon Echo the Alexa, right, and we had 366 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:27.200 a couple Google speakers, and I'd walk around the house 367 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:31.680 and I would just casually mention the words Lamborghini Ferrari Portia, 368 00:17:32.200 --> 00:17:34.440 you know, just just randomly. I wasn't talking about them. 369 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.880 I would just say the name Lamborghini Ferrari Portsie over 370 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:40.160 and over and over for about three days. And then 371 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.720 all of a sudden, all my social media accounts, you know, 372 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:46.799 read It and Facebook and whatever, my Google ads all 373 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:48.680 of them were for luxury vehicles. 374 00:17:49.200 --> 00:17:50.720 Wow, and you had not. 375 00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:55.119 Just this past weekend we went to gen Con in Indianapolis, 376 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.519 which is geeming tabletop dice. Literally all of Klans social 377 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:04.359 media is now dice. In board games, ads, Oliver ads 378 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:06.240 are for dice. Here's where you can get done. 379 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:06.759 Well, that's to go. 380 00:18:06.759 --> 00:18:07.880 They track you on your phone. 381 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:09.079 Well yeah, I know. I'm just saying. 382 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.839 This is the simple It's it's all based on geo tracking. 383 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:13.920 It's all based on what you've searched for, It's all 384 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.720 based on what you know, you're what you're like on 385 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:16.680 your friend's profiles. 386 00:18:16.720 --> 00:18:19.960 It's it's all tracked, and I mean an algorithm. 387 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:22.519 And again it goes back to the old adage. If 388 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:25.880 you're not paying for the product, you are the product 389 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:29.920 Google and Amazon. Amazon is a retailer, but for the 390 00:18:29.960 --> 00:18:34.200 most part, Amazon and Google are advertising data scraping companies. 391 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:37.720 That's how they make their money. They sell your data, 392 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.240 that's how they get their money. So having these cute 393 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.200 little speakers in your home that you can, oh, look 394 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:46.160 at this, I can play a Spotify song, sure, yeah 395 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:48.680 you can. But you're also giving them every piece of 396 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:51.759 your data and and everything that's going on, you know, 397 00:18:51.799 --> 00:18:54.079 in your life. You know, it is a funny story. 398 00:18:55.000 --> 00:18:57.680 And this has I know we're talking about them tracking you. 399 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:59.440 This has nothing to do with them tracking you, because 400 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:01.200 you're gonna get it when I mentioned this, but it's 401 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:06.079