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Speaker 2: So I thought this was interesting. This is from Science Daily.
Speaker 1: We have written records that show that human existence on
Speaker 1: this planet has been going on since at least the
Speaker 1: twelve thousand BC conversation, Right and then I heard recently
Speaker 1: somebody said they found some.
Speaker 2: Artifact that would say is actually closer to like twenty thousand.
Speaker 1: But the whole conversation about when did humans develop a
Speaker 1: written language, a record of some type, and we can
Speaker 1: only work off of the scant sources that we have.
Speaker 1: Well come to find out forty thousand year old signs
Speaker 1: show that humans were recording information long before writing. So
Speaker 1: this is a picture the adorant figurine from I'm not
Speaker 1: going to pronounce that word because I don't think half
Speaker 1: of those letters exist. But it's a cave approximately thirty
Speaker 1: eight thousand years old. It consists of a small ivory
Speaker 1: plate bearing anthropomorphic figures and multiple sequences of notches and dots.
Speaker 1: The application of these marks suggests notational system, most notably
Speaker 1: in the rows of dots on the back of the plate.
Speaker 1: So this is from I believe this would be Germany.
Speaker 2: I see Berg.
Speaker 3: So just it says geissen Cluster in Ruptemberg, which is
Speaker 3: southwest Germany.
Speaker 1: Okay, that word geist. So the B with the weird thing,
Speaker 1: that's that's an S.
Speaker 2: That's an S. Yeah, Okay, this makes it so much
Speaker 2: more sense. So geisen Closerry.
Speaker 3: Closter Geissen cluster left.
Speaker 1: So they pronounced that last letter. It's not like French
Speaker 1: that's let at the end there.
Speaker 2: Ye got you? Well, Okay, So in Germany they have
Speaker 2: discovered a artifact that would indicate possibly human written language
Speaker 2: that dates back, give or take forty thousand years, so.
Speaker 1: More than forty thousand years ago Ice age humans are
Speaker 1: carving repeated patterns of dots, lines, and crosses into tools
Speaker 1: and small ivory figurines. A new computational study of more
Speaker 1: than three thousand of these Paleolithic signs reveal they were
Speaker 1: not random decorations, but structured sequences with measurable complexity. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: their information density rivals that of proto Cuneiform, the earliest
Speaker 1: no writing system that emerged around three thousand BCE. So
Speaker 1: again we've understood for a long time. I remember, growing up,
Speaker 1: we learned that Egyptian hieroglyphs were arguably the oldest written language. Okay,
Speaker 1: then Cuneiform got really discovered and really talked about. Now
Speaker 1: it's not just kind of in the peer reviewed journal
Speaker 1: debate going on. It's understood that Cuneiform is specifically Cuneiform
Speaker 1: B predates Egyptian hieroglyphs. So now we have this system
Speaker 1: of dashes, dots and crosses that predates that by oh,
Speaker 1: you know, a few tens of thousands of years. That's
Speaker 1: fucking wild to me, so let's talk about it here.
Speaker 1: So more than forty thousand years ago, early humans are
Speaker 1: already engraving sybyls onto tools, figurines, and other objects. A
Speaker 1: new study by linguist Kristin Binns of Sorrowland probably university
Speaker 1: archaeologist EWA dutkinschwicks Yep of the Museum of Prehistory and
Speaker 1: Early History in Berlin suggests these sequences of signs were
Speaker 1: not random decorations. Instead, they dip. They display levels of
Speaker 1: complexity and information density similar to proto Cuneiform, the early
Speaker 1: snow writing system, like we talked about around three thousand BC,
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of years later. Using computational techniques, the
Speaker 1: researchers analyzed more than three thousand signs carved into two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty Paleolithic artifacts to better understand how writing.
Speaker 2: May have evolved.
Speaker 1: The results, which were published in pns pnas excuse me,
Speaker 1: were clear, and even the team did not expect such
Speaker 1: a close comparison to writing systems. So the Paleolithic symbols
Speaker 1: in Swabia Jura Swabian, Swabian Duro okay, which if I'm
Speaker 1: not mistaken, that would also be a thing for Germany,
Speaker 1: like Swabiland. I know they named a section of Antarctica
Speaker 1: Swabiland whenever the Nazis occupied it.
Speaker 2: But Swabian Swabian.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming it's like an ancient tribe that might have
Speaker 1: lived in the Germanic region.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also in southwest Germany. They call it Schwabin,
Speaker 3: just like Charles Schwab. My bad English call it Swabia
Speaker 3: for some reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm because I speak English. I don't sink my teeth
Speaker 1: into those w's. But for show, for show, the Swabian
Speaker 1: for sure. All right, let's get damn. Artifacts dating from
Speaker 1: thirty four thousand to forty five thousand years ago feature
Speaker 1: recurring patterns of lines, dots, notches, and crosses. Many were
Speaker 1: found in caves in Swabian Jura region of the southwestern Germany.
Speaker 2: In vol vogel Herd Cave Okay.
Speaker 1: In Loan Valley, for example, archaeologists uncovered a small mammoth
Speaker 1: figurine carved from mammoth ivory. Its surface is marked with
Speaker 1: rows of crosses and dots. Other objects from the same
Speaker 1: region also contain similar engravings. The Adorant a mammoth ivory
Speaker 1: plate discovered in Guysen closely Yup cave in the Ach Valley.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm supposed to throw flemel on
Speaker 1: that one or not.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Ach Valley shows a lion human hybrid figurine and is
Speaker 1: covered with rows of dots and notches. Another well known sculpture,
Speaker 1: the lion human from holsenstein Stadle Cave in Lone Valley,
Speaker 1: includes every evenly spaced notches along one arm. Researchers now
Speaker 1: conclude these markings were purposeful Stone Age people liked, using
Speaker 1: them to communicate or store information. Is a direct quote
Speaker 1: here from Professor Christian bins Our. Research is helping us
Speaker 1: uncover the unique statistical properties or statistical fingerprints of these
Speaker 1: signed systems, which are an early pre predecessor to writing.
Speaker 1: So again, and you know this this in my personal opinion,
Speaker 1: I understand that there's gonna be certain people of certain
Speaker 1: religious backgrounds, that even of my own religious background, that
Speaker 1: are gonna say that this, uh, this is disproven because
Speaker 1: radiocarbon dating is so flawed and all of these things.
Speaker 1: It's only flawed if you don't know the whereabouts of
Speaker 1: the artifact from point A to point B. If you're
Speaker 1: finding them in caves like that cave didn't have some
Speaker 1: sort of a fire inside of it that would throw
Speaker 1: off the carbon. It didn't have a volcano go off
Speaker 1: inside the cave. You could make the argument for humidity
Speaker 1: tearing things apart, but like ivories, not wood, that's gonna
Speaker 1: that's not gonna disintegrate with a little bit of some
Speaker 1: heat and a little bit of cold and a little
Speaker 1: bit of some water. So again, I do believe that
Speaker 1: our Earth is a lot older than what a lot
Speaker 1: of people of my own religious background say, the young
Speaker 1: Earth creationists out there. That's never really made sense to me.
Speaker 1: Oh the Earth is only six thousand years old? Like brother,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's that makes no no.
Speaker 2: Known sense to me whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And we have discovered more things as far as go
Speaker 1: backle Tepe dogger Land, and now these artifacts that are
Speaker 1: putting us at least and when we're saying like Stone
Speaker 1: age humans, I don't believe these are Neanderthals that we're carving.
Speaker 2: This maybe fucking maybe, but I.
Speaker 1: Don't personally believe that. I believe this was an earlier
Speaker 1: form of human being. And I also think the term
Speaker 1: cave people might be a bit misleading. I feel like
Speaker 1: they probably had the abilities to build shelters, right, even
Speaker 1: if it was something more akin to a Native American
Speaker 1: tpe situation or a long house or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's I have a heart again.
Speaker 1: I've watched people that do flint napping and they'll make
Speaker 1: stone axe heads, they'll make stone tools, and you'll watch
Speaker 1: them chop down trees with stone age materials that they made,
Speaker 1: start to finish from that time period.
Speaker 2: Not Dusty Rhodes, what's his name. There's a dude named
Speaker 2: Dusty maybe Dusty Daniels, I forget.
Speaker 1: He's a marine vet and he has a YouTube channel
Speaker 1: where all he does is make stone age tools and
Speaker 1: show how to use them, how to upkeep them, all
Speaker 1: these things. I got a real hard time believing that
Speaker 1: the people, even if we're talking stone age not cave people.
Speaker 1: Stone age people didn't have the ability to write down
Speaker 1: some type of numbering system, even if it was tatly
Speaker 1: marks or dots and dashes.
Speaker 2: So this doesn't take.
Speaker 1: Away at all from my own personal religious beliefs. But
Speaker 1: a lot of people this this like makes them question things.
Speaker 1: But anyway, before we continue here, Sam, your hand was
Speaker 1: raised first.
Speaker 2: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: If you look at the quote Magnan and and everything,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty pretty sure to the one it's from the
Speaker 4: upper pay of ethic and everything.
Speaker 5: They they're about the same as smart as they have
Speaker 5: the exact same intelligence. It's hypothesize that they have the
Speaker 5: same intelligence as we do. It's just they didn't know
Speaker 5: as much. And and no matter what, like civil civilization,
Speaker 5: they got bones from the Hobbit people that look like
Speaker 5: they've even they were broken and mended, which shows civilization.
Speaker 5: And that's well over four hundred thousand years ago. I'm
Speaker 5: not mistaken.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, I forget wound about the Hobbit people. I've
Speaker 2: heard of them. I can't verify Africa.
Speaker 6: No, look, you can look it up.
Speaker 5: It's down in Africot. They called it the Hobbit. It's
Speaker 5: a little I think it's ZOOI z u r I.
Speaker 5: And it's an oldest fuck skeleton. Well it's a woman.
Speaker 6: They think.
Speaker 5: They think it's I don't remember the scientific name, but
Speaker 5: they called it the hobbit, like the hobbit like wen't.
Speaker 2: Not like the Australia pithecus bones or something along those lines.
Speaker 6: I thought this was in Africa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but we're talking about like not too terribly
Speaker 1: far removed from Pangaea or something.
Speaker 2: It depends on which school I thought you get into.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember hearing about it. I haven't done
Speaker 2: the research into it yet, but we can. We absolutely can.
Speaker 1: But and to your point also, as far as what
Speaker 1: they were able to do stone age and all these things,
Speaker 1: I forget.
Speaker 2: I want to say it was in the Mayan or.
Speaker 1: The Aztec they found a skeleton that showed copper that
Speaker 1: was used as.
Speaker 2: A bone mending.
Speaker 1: They had like a wrap of copper around a femur
Speaker 1: bone and the bone had actually healed itself, and they
Speaker 1: were using that like a cast, showing that they had
Speaker 1: surgery and knew that copper could be used to heal bones,
Speaker 1: way before anybody had ever thought about doing that.
Speaker 5: In the West, right, they were cutting the legs open
Speaker 5: and landing the uh as the dope as fuck.
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I'm going to search that real quick
Speaker 1: because let me see here ancient and they also.
Speaker 5: Use it strictly obsidian because it was so vastly made.
Speaker 6: It's like raisor glass.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is it.
Speaker 1: Look here so, uh, this is surgery from this time period,
Speaker 1: a human with a copper plate applied after surgery. The
Speaker 1: bone grew after the plate was placed, indicating a successful operation. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was way off on the timeframe on
Speaker 1: this one. The plate was probably applied as an antiseptic.
Speaker 1: Copper was anti microbial and anti viral properties. The plate
Speaker 1: dates from twelve sixty to fifteen twenty seven.
Speaker 2: It was found in Sweden.
Speaker 1: Okay, but I was a little off on the date
Speaker 1: on that one. Fine, But my point is, though, like
Speaker 1: we have had understandings of things.
Speaker 2: That we don't even know today. Most people don't know
Speaker 2: that that exists.
Speaker 6: Is that before Jesus?
Speaker 2: So that was AD.
Speaker 1: That was in medieval twelve hundred to fifteen hundred and eighty.
Speaker 5: So yeah, which which, Well, it was a prince and
Speaker 5: he was like he was like the air of parent.
Speaker 6: He got shot through like.
Speaker 5: The face with an errow, and they pretty much did
Speaker 5: brain surgery back then to get it out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he lived for like another year of agonizing pain. Well,
Speaker 1: there was another one there was another monarch that he
Speaker 1: got gore from a bowl or something, and they just
Speaker 1: cut off the horn and left it in, thinking he
Speaker 1: was gonna die. But he lived another agonizing year with
Speaker 1: this horn stuck out of his head. There's even paintings
Speaker 1: of him with this horn because he was like, he
Speaker 1: was saying, the hell it would show his like, his
Speaker 1: manliness and his prowess and all this.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, it's like, bro, you are slowly bleeding to death
Speaker 2: from a brain aneurysm over a year. I mean, props
Speaker 2: to you for having the balls, but also fuck that well,
Speaker 2: I mean, what is.
Speaker 5: He supposed to pretty much snatch it out and give
Speaker 5: hisself a bottomy?
Speaker 1: I personally I would, just because at that point it
Speaker 1: was my time.
Speaker 2: Clearly I took a horn to the head.
Speaker 5: Okay, the French king, I want to I can't remember
Speaker 5: his name it, but I did an episode of him.
Speaker 6: Uh no, Sonamas. He predicted his death. He got hit.
Speaker 6: They were jousting, just a funny jou.
Speaker 5: The lance splintered and it went through his eye and
Speaker 5: he lives like another three day is an agonizing pain
Speaker 5: and all because he's going Noradas.
Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken, Yeah, because he said, do not
Speaker 6: do that.
Speaker 5: He told him, hey, don't do this, but in a
Speaker 5: prophecy like way, and you just didn't hate it, and
Speaker 5: you already pissed off.
Speaker 2: So Pops, do you wow? Shit, Royce? What you got
Speaker 2: big don.
Speaker 7: So? The only thing that I was gonna say, as
Speaker 7: far as the Old Earth versus New Earth, if you
Speaker 7: just look at the Biblical account, it says the earth
Speaker 7: was foremostly void. So clearly the earth had been around
Speaker 7: for a long period of time, who knows how long
Speaker 7: before creation. And then obviously there are there are various
Speaker 7: opinions as far as where we get our calendar from
Speaker 7: our and how we account for how old let's say,
Speaker 7: human man, evil humans that we know and are. But
Speaker 7: according to some Jewish traditions, this was not the first
Speaker 7: iteration of humanity. When the Torres said the earth was
Speaker 7: foremost and void. Part of it was that there were
Speaker 7: other creations before us, so that could also take it
Speaker 7: into accounts these people.
Speaker 1: I've actually never heard that be brought up in Jewish literature. Actually,
Speaker 1: so Rabbi Sanger, who you've sent me videos of as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, with his debates, Yeah, he believes
Speaker 1: that the earth is only six thousand years.
Speaker 8: Old, and he is humanity interest these another human like
Speaker 8: most Jews believe that that the that we as humans
Speaker 8: or since the birth.
Speaker 7: Of Adam has been less than six thousand years.
Speaker 2: Right, which.
Speaker 1: I mean even still, that's a big that's a big
Speaker 1: maybe because I mean, granted there was Day six people,
Speaker 1: there was other human beings on Earth before Adam was created.
Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of specifically Christians, a
Speaker 1: lot of them don't know that. It's it's like within
Speaker 1: the first few chapters of the entire book and they
Speaker 1: just skip right over that to say that Adam was
Speaker 1: the first man, and it's like.
Speaker 7: No, Adam, Adam, Adam was what Adam was the first human?
Speaker 7: But let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: No, no, no believe that God made humans on Day six.
Speaker 1: He made Adam the week.
Speaker 2: After, no reread it.
Speaker 7: So hold on, he made Adam on Friday arab shabas
Speaker 7: and that so no, there was no like Adam was
Speaker 7: the first one.
Speaker 2: No, brother, hold on.
Speaker 3: I think Genesis one has the day six and then
Speaker 3: it ends with Jase seven and then chapter two says
Speaker 3: I've been doing six for just a second, and talk
Speaker 3: about Adam. I think that's how it goes, right.
Speaker 2: Hold on, wait, we could we could look this up.
Speaker 2: As a matter of.
Speaker 3: Chapter one has the day one through seven, and then
Speaker 3: chapter two begins with all right, let's go back to
Speaker 3: day six for a secon and basically.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, he chose he made Adam specifically
Speaker 1: to live and reside within the Garden of Eden, but
Speaker 1: he made humans to walk the earth and inhabit the earth,
Speaker 1: which is also mentioned whenever Adam and Eve were kicked
Speaker 1: out of the garden and had to live amongst other humans.
Speaker 1: These other humans came from somewhere. They weren't of the
Speaker 1: descendants of Adam and Eve. The misnumber that I've always
Speaker 1: heard is that we are right right, We are all
Speaker 1: descendants of Adam and Eve because they are the predecessors
Speaker 1: to Noah. And there's no humans beyond Noah and who
Speaker 1: was on that boat so to say that we're all
Speaker 1: descendants from them is accurate.
Speaker 2: But to say that he was the first man no
Speaker 2: old on.
Speaker 1: Let me let me double check on this one here,
Speaker 1: Day six, God created at animals and people.
Speaker 2: They didn't specifically say Adam on that one.
Speaker 1: God created Adam from the dusty earth bre life into him.
Speaker 1: For sure, he was given the responsibility to care for
Speaker 1: the garden. But God did not mean for Adam to
Speaker 1: do alone. God brought about the animals before him all
Speaker 1: these things. Uh, let's see Adam.
Speaker 2: Hold on.
Speaker 1: God complete his creation by making humans in his own image.
Speaker 1: He blessed and gave them a mandate to multiply and
Speaker 1: fill the earth. That was Genesis one relates the story
Speaker 1: of creation. Genesis two gives more details, specifically about how
Speaker 1: Adam and.
Speaker 2: Eve related to the rest of creation.
Speaker 1: So, if we're going off of strictly Genesis and that's Torah,
Speaker 1: Koran and Bible, Adam wasn't the first human being, although
Speaker 1: it's okay to assume this because it's six and one
Speaker 1: hand a half dozen in the other because all human
Speaker 1: stem from him. So fair enough, if this makes sense,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Sam.
Speaker 5: No not to mention when their son Cain kills the
Speaker 5: other son Able and he gets ex out, he goes
Speaker 5: rest of e Dom and he ends up building a
Speaker 5: city for his son Enoch. So if it's just human,
Speaker 5: his wife at that point would more than likely be
Speaker 5: a sin. If we're going off with that, tony, Adam
Speaker 5: and Eve, why is he building a city. That would
Speaker 5: mean there'd be more fucking people, right exactly. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: blessings to you lord, but he had more people down here.
Speaker 2: Royce your your thoughts.
Speaker 7: I am currently have a right purposes. I am looking
Speaker 7: things up against I've heard that there were people that. Okay,
Speaker 7: so whenever the tour mentions things, it mentions things in
Speaker 7: order to teach us things. It doesn't. It's not exactly
Speaker 7: a historical doctor, so.
Speaker 1: There are some people that take it as literal historical document.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, for the record, I believe that
Speaker 1: Genesis was like, there's stories within it that we can
Speaker 1: apply as accurate fact, but it's not one details of
Speaker 1: the accounts.
Speaker 2: I agree with this.
Speaker 6: I do not say deniable quite literally, thank you, but.
Speaker 1: Like for to say day six, for instance, or even
Speaker 1: that God created the world in twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: Could he for sure he could do whatever the hell
Speaker 2: he wants he's got do?
Speaker 1: I believe that saying a day when later on they
Speaker 1: say that, you know, a minute is but a day,
Speaker 1: and a day is but an hour. To God like,
Speaker 1: time is not something that God really like, he recognized it,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't make sense to him, right, It's not
Speaker 1: something that he applies to his self. So to a
Speaker 1: day to God, a twenty four hour span to God
Speaker 1: might be two hundred and fifty thousand years to us, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's no definite one way or another.
Speaker 1: There are those who believe that when they say a day,
Speaker 1: he means a day, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: I am of the belief that it might possibly imply
Speaker 1: a different time span. But he gave it to us
Speaker 1: in a way that we'd be able to at least
Speaker 1: wrap our minds around.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Royce, I'm sorry you were saying something.
Speaker 7: No, so I'm resident right now. I'm just like, as
Speaker 7: far as things that are literal and up for interpretation,
Speaker 7: God doesn't tell us how we created the world. I
Speaker 7: mean exactly, like as far as like molecules and things.
Speaker 9: Right, But so anyway, it.
Speaker 7: Not every person that was ever alive was mentioned in
Speaker 7: the Torah, like there are specific reasons why there are
Speaker 7: things that are mentioned, and if it's not important in
Speaker 7: essence to the narrative. So also in art so the
Speaker 7: very beginning of Genesis two, verse four, So the preceding
Speaker 7: account is the chronicle of how everything in heaven and
Speaker 7: Earth began to function in its proper time, everything having
Speaker 7: been created on the.
Speaker 10: Day that God may have in the earth, i e.
Speaker 10: On the first day. So this is where some stages
Speaker 10: come into plane. So Rashi says, So when it says
Speaker 10: that these or this.
Speaker 7: Or I need the aforementioned, it is a chronicle of
Speaker 7: heaven earth. Everything haven't been created on the day of
Speaker 7: God Mass. It just teaches you that they were all
Speaker 7: created on the first day when God said, when God
Speaker 7: made heaven earth. Another explanation of the word key bar
Speaker 7: am is to write and is two words, meaning he
Speaker 7: created them with the letter hey, as as it says
Speaker 7: in the verses for for your trust is in God
Speaker 7: the Rock. So they're very very various opinions. But I
Speaker 7: would like to do more research on this, please and
Speaker 7: then if you if you could maybe send me versus
Speaker 7: that way I can look into it.
Speaker 1: It's the same versus as far as the Old the
Speaker 1: Torah anyway, the first five books, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: it's a pretty much one to one translation from Hebrew
Speaker 1: to English that the Quran used, that the Jews use it,
Speaker 1: the Christians use it. It's all pretty up and up.
Speaker 1: But I'll send you some stuff. But that's that's the
Speaker 1: thing I've for most of my life. I believe that
Speaker 1: Adam was the first person. As an adult, I reread
Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh, so God made human
Speaker 1: beings on day six, got you all the things. Next chapter,
Speaker 1: he talks about Adam specifically living within the garden because
Speaker 1: that was his purpose. Human beings were not supposed to
Speaker 1: live within the garden. Adam and Eve were supposed to
Speaker 1: live within the garden, like he made them specifically separately,
Speaker 1: like with with Really.
Speaker 7: Apparently he was he was not created in the garden
Speaker 7: of he says, because God persuaded Adam to enter the
Speaker 7: garden and he placed him in the garden to cultivate it. Okay,
Speaker 7: he wasn't just.
Speaker 1: He was created for that purpose though, Like he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be out and about in the world with
Speaker 1: the other humans doing the things, building the cities, doing
Speaker 1: war all that.
Speaker 2: Adam and Eve.
Speaker 1: Were specifically supposed to be his servants in the garden.
Speaker 1: That was their divine purpose, if you will. At least
Speaker 1: that's how I understand it. But yeah, I'll send you
Speaker 1: some stuff on that for sure, Tony way in please.
Speaker 3: Okay, going back to what I said. I just reread
Speaker 3: Genesis chapter one and two, and it kind of confirms
Speaker 3: what I was saying earlier. Genesis one goes through the
Speaker 3: seven days, Genesis two goes, okay, all that happened, Now,
Speaker 3: let's rewind to before the shrubs were created and before
Speaker 3: man was created, and then it kind of inserts the
Speaker 3: Garden of Eden and some additional stuff in there. I
Speaker 3: think what happened is there were multiple sources to the
Speaker 3: Old Testament and to what I'd like to call proto Judaism.
Speaker 3: There was a low hissted author, there was a Yahwist author,
Speaker 3: there was a priestly author, and these were probably cobbled
Speaker 3: together at different times, and they said, Okay, you know
Speaker 3: these myths are kind of similar. How can we ask
Speaker 3: them together and make them compatible. I think that's what
Speaker 3: happened here.
Speaker 1: You said a low hist Can you give me a
Speaker 1: little bit of a background on that, because all I'm
Speaker 1: hearing is aloha, and I know that's not where.
Speaker 7: They're talking about. Uh. The you wor for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yahweh is the most common name for God in
Speaker 3: the Old Testament. But there's l there's el Shadai, there's Elohim,
Speaker 3: and I think there's several others, and I just can't
Speaker 3: remember what they are, and they come together. They're from
Speaker 3: different proto Judaic traditions in my opinion and in the
Speaker 3: opinion of a few other people, and that they kind
Speaker 3: of fused together and they had to be made compatible.
Speaker 3: So that's where Genesis wanted to come from, and how
Speaker 3: they're not completely compatible, but they're kind of close enough.
Speaker 1: Which it also makes sense if Moses is the one
Speaker 1: that wrote it, right, and we're talking.
Speaker 7: I don't think that, Yeah, but all of them. But yeah,
Speaker 7: but Moses didn't write it as far as like so
Speaker 7: as opposed to other books in the Bible where it
Speaker 7: might have been inspired, and that was their own words,
Speaker 7: although they were holy in themselves. We basically believe that Moses,
Speaker 7: for the first four books of the Torah, didn't have
Speaker 7: a say in it. He was essentially the the quill.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, when I say wrote, I do mean like I
Speaker 1: actually put pen to paper on that. But I do
Speaker 1: believe divinely inspired word one hundred percent.
Speaker 7: Well, there's a difference though. There's a difference between divinely
Speaker 7: inspired and divine inspire. So if you have a divine inspiration,
Speaker 7: you're adding your own two cents in there?
Speaker 2: Oh no, as opposed what are you talking about?
Speaker 7: So like if, okay, my understanding or of divine inspiration
Speaker 7: is that I, well, I was inspired to I wasn't
Speaker 7: inspired to write this as opposed to something being divine
Speaker 7: and it being written down as God's word period.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So the way that I take divinely inspired is as
Speaker 1: if God was speaking through this person and said this
Speaker 1: needs to make it to the book. And the reason
Speaker 1: why is like, for instance, we talked about this on
Speaker 1: the whole Dune episode, right, fifty Shades of Gray was
Speaker 1: inspired by Twilight. There is no connection between the two
Speaker 1: as far as like the storyline. Yeah, the storyline, the
Speaker 1: character arcs, some features here and there, maybe, but most
Speaker 1: people don't even know that connection exists. So to say
Speaker 1: that to the average person wouldn't mean like, yeah, fifty
Speaker 1: Shades is obviously Twilight inspired right within the biblical sources,
Speaker 1: or let's just say you know, yeah for this, I'll
Speaker 1: say biblical. Fine, I would say that all of that
Speaker 1: is divinely inspired, i e. All of it goes back
Speaker 1: to yahweh, it all goes back to God. That's I
Speaker 1: feel like those kind of they obviously flow together. Twilight
Speaker 1: and fifty shades don't flow together unless you're looking deeper
Speaker 1: to find that there's an obvious plagiarism here.
Speaker 2: Does this make sense?
Speaker 7: I mean, I hear are you saying? I think it's
Speaker 7: just a big potential, just a different in understanding. I
Speaker 7: agree with it. So, for example, the all of the
Speaker 7: other books of the Tanak minus the Torah, I would
Speaker 7: agree that they are just finally inspired, and they came
Speaker 7: into existence and being through whatever God wanted it to.
Speaker 7: And these were the words that he that God wanted
Speaker 7: on on paper. Yeah, as as opposed to the Torah,
Speaker 7: which I think is a higher level I mean, which
Speaker 7: is the higher level of holiness and divinity. That that's
Speaker 7: why there are so many authors who are so painstakingly
Speaker 7: try to figure out what each word means an extra
Speaker 7: letters or missing letters, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But the same could be said for anything of the
Speaker 2: Hebrew literature outside the toy even right even after that,
Speaker 2: but to not there's still a lot of conversation about
Speaker 2: the missing letters and the actual definition of behind all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 7: No, no, so I agree that there's a understanding. I mean,
Speaker 7: for example, in the Book of Esther, there are a
Speaker 7: number of letters that are large and a number of
Speaker 7: letters that are small. That set of letters, the gamatri,
Speaker 7: are the equal those letters equal. Basically whenever the Nuremberg
Speaker 7: Trials happened, and how the people were were hanged, and
Speaker 7: the one person that committed suicide was very much so mirrored,
Speaker 7: or what happened in the Book of Esther was mirrored
Speaker 7: in those trials.
Speaker 2: Wait, the Gomatria to the book of Esther is a
Speaker 2: predecessor for the Nuremberg trials.
Speaker 7: No, no, so nothing matria of Estra.
Speaker 11: So in the Book of Esther, there are a number
Speaker 11: of of letters that are larger than what they should be,
Speaker 11: and there are a few letters that are smaller than
Speaker 11: what they should be.
Speaker 7: If you had all of the if.
Speaker 1: You you know what I mean, like capital on lower
Speaker 1: case by the way, right, you mean like purposely written
Speaker 1: to be larger.
Speaker 7: Correct, okay, correct, purposely We're ready to be larger, purposely
Speaker 7: to be written smaller. And there was and there was
Speaker 7: an illusion because so after Hammon's children were were all hangs,
Speaker 7: Esther basically praised to God that the evil people should
Speaker 7: you know, should should be killed. And look, so why
Speaker 7: did she utter this prayer when the sons were already killed.
Speaker 7: And it's because she was a prophetesque and she knew
Speaker 7: what would happen in the future. And that's that's why.
Speaker 2: This is the first time I've ever heard this. This
Speaker 2: might become an episode of the cult. To be completely
Speaker 2: honest with you.
Speaker 1: Wow, And before we continue, North Trucker, I know that
Speaker 1: you are not somebody that gets down with any kind
Speaker 1: of biblical references.
Speaker 2: Are we is all what we're talking about completely lost
Speaker 2: on you?
Speaker 1: Or like I don't even know your background as you
Speaker 1: grow up in some sort of a proto Christian household,
Speaker 1: or and then found your way to paganism later on,
Speaker 1: or where are you?
Speaker 7: I meant I've met.
Speaker 12: I originally was a Catholic, but I lost faith in
Speaker 12: when I was thirteen years old, right started reading into
Speaker 12: Viking stuff. Then I got into the gods and everything
Speaker 12: like that, and then this is probably about fifteen. Then
Speaker 12: I was heavily into it right up until my twenties,
Speaker 12: got into bad shit as we do in our twenties,
Speaker 12: as one does, Yeah, and then started coming back to
Speaker 12: it in my thirties right wanting to get back into it.
Speaker 12: But uh, yeah, no, I pretty much have a layout
Speaker 12: of what it is, right and what you guys are
Speaker 12: talking about the biggest thing though, is that even in
Speaker 12: my religion, right.
Speaker 13: We'll say your religion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is.
Speaker 12: Actually two humans that were originally created.
Speaker 7: By the gods, and the three gods.
Speaker 12: Are Odin, Villi, and Vague right, and the humans that
Speaker 12: they created were actually called ash and or asked.
Speaker 2: In blo where we get ash and elm trees from?
Speaker 12: I do believe so because they were created from the
Speaker 12: ash and elm tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like four breeds of trees that were
Speaker 1: like specifically religiously important to the Nordics. I know Ash, yes, home, Birch,
Speaker 1: and I want to say oak, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 1: So I used to know a little bit more about
Speaker 1: the Nordic pagan beliefs than I do now. It's been
Speaker 1: a hot minute since I did some research into them.
Speaker 1: But is there any cohesive thought as far as how
Speaker 1: old the earth is per the Nordic tradition?
Speaker 13: I not really, because I'm.
Speaker 1: I know there's a creation story, there is something close
Speaker 1: to it as far as like how the realms were
Speaker 1: created kind of thing, But as far as the earth itself.
Speaker 1: I don't really know if they have a date set
Speaker 1: on that kind of shit.
Speaker 13: No, they don't, because it's actually by mouth and everything
Speaker 13: like that, because we.
Speaker 12: Didn't have well, the our Chiavens didn't have written word
Speaker 12: or anything like that, but they did have ruins. Yeah right,
Speaker 12: they were set on set on stones all across the
Speaker 12: Germanic air quotations like Slavic areas.
Speaker 13: But they can't you can't really carbon date when they
Speaker 13: were actually made because it's rock.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, so yeah, God.
Speaker 12: It could be one hundred thousand years ago, it could
Speaker 12: be two hundred thousand years ago. Maybe our religion was
Speaker 12: what kicked Christianity, but we don't know that, right, We
Speaker 12: don't know that because even if Alexandra was actually the
Speaker 12: Library of Alexandra's sorry, even if they had all them
Speaker 12: written word in it, well, I'm pretty sure that's all
Speaker 12: in the Vatican now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I'll tell you what, dude.
Speaker 1: For the majority of my life, I always looked at
Speaker 1: the burning of the Library of Alexandria is probably like
Speaker 1: one one of the biggest hits to humanity, and in
Speaker 1: some small way I still kind of feel that way.
Speaker 1: But looking at the data that we have now the
Speaker 1: library was pretty much in disrepair when the burning took place.
Speaker 1: There was other libraries that had way more documentation or
Speaker 1: way better staffed at the time. Alexandra at one point
Speaker 1: was like the hub of all information and all knowledge.
Speaker 1: By the time it burned down, Like, there's some evidence
Speaker 1: to suggest that half of those books and scrolls and
Speaker 1: everything else were just rotten anyway and unreadable.
Speaker 2: So it wasn't as big.
Speaker 1: Of a hit as the lack of upkeep, you know,
Speaker 1: but to the point, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: the stories and a lot of the history that's lost
Speaker 1: to the sands of time, not just from Alexander, but
Speaker 1: even like the Library of Ephesis Delphi, all these like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it is a massive hit, And I wish we
Speaker 1: had these documents.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, I do too. Yes, indeed, Sam, what
Speaker 2: you got, big dog?
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, when you take an account that
Speaker 5: we're saying that there are other people didn't add them,
Speaker 5: it would taking account the fact that in that it
Speaker 5: says that then the sons of God came down into
Speaker 5: the daughters of men, and they created the mighty men
Speaker 5: of old, the mighty men of renown, which would talk
Speaker 5: about like your demi gods, which one fact, Heracles and
Speaker 5: Achilles are both technically demi gods if you look into
Speaker 5: their mythologies, and Thor is set actually a seventy five
Speaker 5: percent giant and twenty five percent as because Odin is
Speaker 5: fifty giant fifty. So it kind of makes you wonder
Speaker 5: why I thought it was the.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so a couple of things to break down here. Uh,
Speaker 1: Heracles with you demi god. Achilles his parentage wasn't of
Speaker 1: a god. His the only reason he had his powers
Speaker 1: because mother dipped him in that river.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, but.
Speaker 5: His mother wasn't in war.
Speaker 14: She was a Yeah, I can't remember her name, but
Speaker 14: I was looking through it. She he's her mother is
Speaker 14: an immortal, like she's not a god, not an Olympian,
Speaker 14: but she was like a lester d eighty of sorts.
Speaker 1: I am gonna have to relook at that because I
Speaker 1: that information. This might be the first time in my
Speaker 1: life I've ever heard that. So it's been a long
Speaker 1: time since I looked into the Iliad in the Odyssey,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, obviously I don't believe any of
Speaker 3: that stuff happened, But hero story stories were really popular
Speaker 3: in the ancient Near East, So what I imagine is
Speaker 3: a lot of ancient people within Israel were probably sort
Speaker 3: of drawn to these superhero stories. So the Jewish religion
Speaker 3: had to kind of repudiate this, like, no, God's having
Speaker 3: sex with women and creating these Nephelin characters. That's a
Speaker 3: bad thing.
Speaker 1: Wait, you don't believe in giants, Tony.
Speaker 2: No, No, really, and I mean, like.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know. There were maybe like seven foot
Speaker 3: tall skeletons. There were some really tall people, but I
Speaker 3: don't believe in the whole gods and women, you know,
Speaker 3: making babies or anything like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's take it to a more and still
Speaker 1: ancient story, but more recent than the creation Goliath. Do
Speaker 1: you believe that he was in fact a giant or
Speaker 1: a really tall dude that they just kind of made
Speaker 1: legend and Lord just sound like he was Nephelin blood.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think he was either a really large guy
Speaker 3: or maybe the whole story.
Speaker 2: Is made up really damn Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, so Goliath has descended from Ogue, who tagged
Speaker 3: on with the Noah's Ark or something. I remember some
Speaker 3: people speculating with that I don't believe any of that
Speaker 3: stuff happened.
Speaker 2: So I don't I don't think that the Nephelum.
Speaker 1: I heard the story that one of them like hailed
Speaker 1: on to Noah's boat and that's how the nephel and
Speaker 1: blood line survived. I'm of the belief that the same
Speaker 1: way that possession can happen in a human body, nephilimic
Speaker 1: possession could have happened back in these days.
Speaker 2: I know it's it's that's completely faith based.
Speaker 1: I understand there's no quantifiable evidence to back any of
Speaker 1: these things up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, you might be the only Christian I
Speaker 2: know that has views that you do. Like you are
Speaker 2: a monolith bro.
Speaker 3: Uh uh yeah, I'm well, you know, you know, Thomas
Speaker 3: Jefferson tried to delete everything supernatural out of the Bible,
Speaker 3: and I don't think I go quite that far, but
Speaker 3: like I am a little more in that direction than
Speaker 3: a younger creationist.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: The Jefferson Bible is literally just quotes from Jesus, like
Speaker 1: that's it, the Old Testament.
Speaker 2: We don't even know that. We need to know what
Speaker 2: the dude said.
Speaker 1: And I mean he he wasn't exactly a Christian. He
Speaker 1: wasn't exactly an atheist. He I think he more leaned
Speaker 1: towards the Christian ethos as far as that goes. But
Speaker 1: I've done a fair amount of research into Jefferson. There's like,
Speaker 1: I think he might have attended church on the rare occasion,
Speaker 1: but he definitely wasn't a Bible toting Christian by any
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. He was more of the uh
Speaker 1: I guess what we would maybe call Renaissance type of
Speaker 1: mindset maybe, but yeah, he So you're saying as far
Speaker 1: as the uh, the mystical properties of the stories of
Speaker 1: old that that's never really jibed with you.
Speaker 3: Uh, not a whole lot. But uh, you know, I
Speaker 3: guess I do believe in the resurrection, and I do
Speaker 3: believe in Jesus's miracles, including and I will you know,
Speaker 3: contradict myself here, the multiplication of the loaves and the fishes.
Speaker 3: I think that was meant to be taken literally and
Speaker 3: not just symbolically. That the real miracles that they shared
Speaker 3: their food. Now, yeah, it's supposed to it's supposed to
Speaker 3: be interpreted literally.
Speaker 1: So then I guess my next question to you is
Speaker 1: why Catholicism, of all of the sects of Christianity that
Speaker 1: some of them are more aligned with what you're saying.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, why would you go with
Speaker 1: the one that's got the most mystic properties to it whatsoever.
Speaker 3: The most myssed. I don't know about that, but I
Speaker 3: was born into it, so like most people, that's just
Speaker 3: where I ended up.
Speaker 2: I got you, all right, And by that, for the record,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to throw shade towards Catholicism any means,
Speaker 2: but like no other, no other group actually believes in transubstantiation,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like no, I think the Lutherans and the Anglicans do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Anglicans do, you're right, but they also consider
Speaker 1: themselves Catholic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they do. And I think it's most it's Calvinists,
Speaker 3: and well that turned into a big branch Protestantism. They
Speaker 3: reject it. But yeah, I think that was meant to
Speaker 3: be interpreted literally too, And it was kind of scandalous
Speaker 3: because you're not supposed to drink blood. Yeah, you're faithful
Speaker 3: practitioner Judaism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you do believe in transubstantiation.
Speaker 3: Yes, at least I'm supposed to. And yeah, I tried to.
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? I can try to. I think
Speaker 3: belief is largely an involuntary reaction to external stimuli like
Speaker 3: other emotions. But you can choose to try to believe things.
Speaker 3: So I think that's where I'm at. I try to
Speaker 3: believe it, so at least I'm trying.
Speaker 1: You're a complicated guy, dude, and I appreciate that about you, honestly.
Speaker 1: You know, you add there's levels to you, there's depth there.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, Sam, your hand is raised and Royce unmuwt
Speaker 1: to himself.
Speaker 2: Whoever speaks first can go for it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was just gonna say that Achilles is mother's name
Speaker 5: is Thesties. She was a nymph slash Naiad, so she
Speaker 5: is of the divinity through the Poseidon everything because she
Speaker 5: is of the sea. So in which case, yes, Achilles
Speaker 5: was a demi god. But she dipped him in the
Speaker 5: river stakes so he would be and her attempts to
Speaker 5: be for him to be blessed or immortality. But the
Speaker 5: reason why his achilles heel was what's killed him just
Speaker 5: because that was his mortal point, because that was the
Speaker 5: only bit of his humanity that I was asked.
Speaker 6: Because she dipped him in and when she.
Speaker 13: Did she was.
Speaker 5: She was holding him by his heels, which is why
Speaker 5: you have achilles tendon.
Speaker 2: So, okay, I didn't know that she was a nymph.
Speaker 1: So what you're saying is, if I understand this correctly,
Speaker 1: she was a offspring of Neptune sticking his dick in plants, correct.
Speaker 2: Socidon.
Speaker 5: So in Greek he's posided in when he's Neptune.
Speaker 2: Most of the most of the.
Speaker 1: Roman structure is about the three big gods not being
Speaker 1: able to keep their dicks to them. So, actually, Hades
Speaker 1: didn't do that ship. Hades was respectful.
Speaker 5: Hades was actually the only one faithful in his in
Speaker 5: his marriage, but out of his brothers and everything. But no,
Speaker 5: she was more of like a beauty, that is, lily
Speaker 5: of the sea.
Speaker 6: She's not an offspring of Poseidon.
Speaker 5: Those would be the Psyclopses, such as most famously known
Speaker 5: as Polycemius, which is the one that but what what's
Speaker 5: his name? Odysseus poked his eyut and he said, who
Speaker 5: attacked you? And he said it was no one, And yeah,
Speaker 5: I really love Greek mythology.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize that that one Cyclops was also the
Speaker 2: offspring of the sea god.
Speaker 1: I really do need to reread the Aliad in the Odyssey.
Speaker 1: I think they're phenomenal books. Also, ship what was the
Speaker 1: third iteration of it?
Speaker 13: You have the the Odyssey and the Iliad, but these
Speaker 13: the one one.
Speaker 2: Of this I'm gonna get pissed off.
Speaker 1: Basically, when when Paris gave the Sword of Troy to
Speaker 1: old Boy and then he allegedly founded Greece, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to remember what the name of the fuck.
Speaker 5: There's two Trojans that that found that they claimed to
Speaker 5: have found a loan because after they were breastfed a
Speaker 5: by the wolf mother Lucus, which is why we have
Speaker 5: the consolation of it.
Speaker 2: God, damn it. There was another one that starts a.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Bojans to Greek that was Chrosen because Troy was
Speaker 5: at war with Grief.
Speaker 2: Damn it.
Speaker 1: I want to say the book starts with an A.
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. It's been a hot minute. I
Speaker 1: really do need to get back into the classics. It's
Speaker 1: been it's been far too long.
Speaker 5: I'll figure it out and I'll text it to you.
Speaker 5: But the movie that's based around that and all it
Speaker 5: is called Troy.
Speaker 2: By the way. Yeah, it's a phenomenal movie. Phenomenal movie.
Speaker 2: They left out so many key details.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you're taking one of the most epic
Speaker 1: stories ever told and trying to condense it down to
Speaker 1: a two hour movie.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be things left out, So I.
Speaker 1: Mean, take what you want, S and D love you, brother,
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Norse trucker. Your hand was raised and then
Speaker 1: you put it down. Did you want to speak on it?
Speaker 13: Royce closed?
Speaker 2: Next?
Speaker 7: All right, Royce, No, no, that was actually that was
Speaker 7: an accident. I do know if you contribute, Okay, fair enough,
Speaker 7: Oh now I forgot what.
Speaker 2: It's all good anyway.
Speaker 1: I just thought this was really interesting to bring up here,
Speaker 1: as we're talking about how old, not just the earth
Speaker 1: but humanity is. Now, we know, beyond any shadow of
Speaker 1: any doubt that we have written records that date to
Speaker 1: thirty eight to forty thousand BC, and I think that
Speaker 1: was just cool as fuck. So I thought we'd just
Speaker 1: start off the episode with that, also bringing this one
Speaker 1: up as Darma old things. There was a treasure hunter.
Speaker 1: I don't know I many of all remember hearing about this,
Speaker 1: so he refused to disclose the location of shipwrecks five
Speaker 1: hundre gold coins. He was arrested for that, and he
Speaker 1: was just released from prison. Let's talk about this a
Speaker 1: little bit more so. A former deep sea treasure hunter
Speaker 1: who made one of the greatest shipwreck discoveries in American
Speaker 1: history and spent the past decade in prison after refusing
Speaker 1: to disclose the whereabouts of some of its missing gold
Speaker 1: coins is now free. Tommy Thompson, who in nineteen eighty
Speaker 1: eight located what was known as the Ship of Gold
Speaker 1: quote unquote off the coast of South Carolina, and he
Speaker 1: was released last Wednesday, which this was. This article is
Speaker 1: from March tenth, so I guess that'd be two weeks
Speaker 1: ago as time recording goes, according to the Federal Bureau
Speaker 1: of Prison records reviewed by the Associated Press. Thompson, an
Speaker 1: Ohio born research scientist, was hailed as a hero after
Speaker 1: finding the SS Central America and it's thousands of pounds
Speaker 1: of sunken treasure that sat at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean for more than one hundred and fifty years.
Speaker 1: The ship sank in September of eighteen fifty seven, along
Speaker 1: with four hundred and twenty five passengers and crew members
Speaker 1: and thirty thousand pounds of federal gold from the new
Speaker 1: San Francisco Mint to create reserve for banks in the
Speaker 1: Eastern US. The ship was located by Thompson and his
Speaker 1: team more than seven thousand feet below the surface, but
Speaker 1: in the decades that followed, he battled with investors who
Speaker 1: accused him of cheating them out of millions when they went,
Speaker 1: and then spent years on the run as a fugitive
Speaker 1: before being sent to prison over rebuffing court orders while
Speaker 1: contending he didn't know what happened to five hundred coins
Speaker 1: minted from the ship's gold. Can y'all imagine that shit.
Speaker 1: You're hailed as a hero for finding this lost ship
Speaker 1: and its gold and his treasure and all that, but
Speaker 1: they're now going to give you shit because there's five
Speaker 1: hundred unaccounted for thirty thousand pounds of gold, and there's
Speaker 1: five hundred coins that we just can't account for, and
Speaker 1: your boy gets brought on federal charges and was arrested
Speaker 1: for this. He spent decades in jail, decades for something
Speaker 1: that he probably had no fucking clue.
Speaker 2: It's possible he swiped him.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know, And honestly, if he did, let
Speaker 1: the boy have him, he found him. Finders keeper's dog,
Speaker 1: but okay. Continuing on here, the Central America was filled
Speaker 1: with a big haul from the California gold rush. When
Speaker 1: it sank in a hurricane in eighteen fifty seven, four
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five people drowned and thousands of pounds
Speaker 1: of golds were lost, contributing to an economic panic. Investors
Speaker 1: who backed Thompson's venture sued him in two thousand and five,
Speaker 1: saying they had yet to receive any money from the
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars sale of more than five hundred goal
Speaker 1: bars and thousands of coins, just part of the ship's booty. Thompson,
Speaker 1: who was living in Florida, went into seclusion and then
Speaker 1: later became a fugitive when an Ohio federal judge issued
Speaker 1: a warrant of his arrest in twenty twelve after he
Speaker 1: failed to show up in court. Three years later, authorities
Speaker 1: tracked Thompson to a Florida hotel where he was living
Speaker 1: under a fake name. The judge then hailed him in
Speaker 1: contempt and sent Thompson to prison at the end of
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen for refusing to answer questions about the location
Speaker 1: of missing coins. So excuse me, I said, decades he
Speaker 1: spent a decade my bad. Thompson, now seventy three, maintained
Speaker 1: that the coins, valued then at two point five million,
Speaker 1: were turned over to a trust in Belize, and said
Speaker 1: that fifty million dollars from the sale of the first
Speaker 1: batch of Goal mostly went toward legal fees and bank loans. Yo,
Speaker 1: Belize just be making some crazy ways into the conversation
Speaker 1: of my life here lately. I'm just throwing it out.
Speaker 1: Belize is an awesome spot, you know, good for investments
Speaker 1: and banking.
Speaker 2: Apparently, he remained.
Speaker 1: Locked up even though federal law generally limits jail time
Speaker 1: for contempt of court to eighteen months.
Speaker 2: He was in jail for a decade. Wow.
Speaker 1: A federal appeals court in twenty nineteen rejected Thompson's arguments
Speaker 1: that the law applied to him, saying his refusal violated
Speaker 1: conditions of a plea agreement. The following year, Thompson appeared
Speaker 1: by video for another hearing, where US District Judge Algernon
Speaker 1: Marbley Algernon God his mom hates him, asked again, asked
Speaker 1: whether he was ready to address the whereabouts of gold.
Speaker 1: I'm really curious if Algernon is a family name or
Speaker 1: if that's off of the book Flowers for Alganon. And
Speaker 1: if so, that's why I said his mom hated him anyway.
Speaker 1: Direct quote from Thompson here, He said, your honor, I
Speaker 1: don't know if we've gone and gone over this road
Speaker 1: before or not, but I don't know the whereabouts of
Speaker 1: the gold. Thompson responded, I feel like I don't have
Speaker 1: the keys to my freedom. Just over a year ago,
Speaker 1: Marbley agreed to end thompson sentence on the civil contempt charge,
Speaker 1: saying he was no longer convinced that keeping him in
Speaker 1: prison would produce an answer. The judge then ordered Thompson
Speaker 1: to immediately start serving a two year sentence for skipping
Speaker 1: the twenty twelve court hearing people kill people and get
Speaker 1: out in half the time. Dwight Manly, a California coin
Speaker 1: dealer who bought and sold nearly the entire fortune, said
Speaker 1: Monday that Thompson paid a heavy price over what he
Speaker 1: described as a business dispute, and I have to agree
Speaker 1: with that. Going to prison for ten years over a
Speaker 1: business dispute is not of America, mainly said, people kill people
Speaker 1: and get out in half the time. Sentences and civil
Speaker 1: contempt cases are somewhat indefinite, but they shouldn't go on forever,
Speaker 1: said Ryan Scott, a University of Florida law professor who
Speaker 1: researches contempt law and work to secure Thompson's release. It's
Speaker 1: very unusual to get ten years or to go on
Speaker 1: ten years. So this is Tommy Thompson. This is the
Speaker 1: former deep sea treasure hunter who found this gold. Which
Speaker 1: again kudos to the guy for doing the research to
Speaker 1: find this, but shit on the government for arresting him
Speaker 1: for this long for five hundred missing coins. So he
Speaker 1: handed over bars of gold, all these coins. Now his
Speaker 1: investors not getting any money back for their investment.
Speaker 2: I can't speak to you. Got to pay the people
Speaker 2: that paid you.
Speaker 1: Likes, that's just good business here, but specifically over five
Speaker 1: hundred coins, that's that's a hefty, hefty sentence for that,
Speaker 1: he said. Thompson should have been freed years ago, since
Speaker 1: at least twenty eighteen, after the court smith the underlying case,
Speaker 1: calling it a miscarriage of justice for this to have
Speaker 1: gone on this long. Treasure from the SS Central America
Speaker 1: has fetched millions of dollars over the years. In twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, one of the largest ss Central America ingots
Speaker 1: ever offered at auction. An eight hundred and sixty six
Speaker 1: point one nine ounce fine known as just an hunter
Speaker 1: Ingott sold for two point one six million dollars through
Speaker 1: Dallas based heritage auctions in twenty nineteen. Multiple relics from
Speaker 1: the shipwreck hauled more than eleven million at auction.
Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, an eighty pound.
Speaker 1: Ingot that is quite an ingot, good God, was bought
Speaker 1: by a private collector for a record eight million dollars.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like all of these millions of dollars had made
Speaker 1: their way out, but they're gonna throw them in jel
Speaker 1: over five hundred coins.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying. This is crazy. But he
Speaker 2: has freed. He has been freed.
Speaker 1: Rather, he is a freeman out here breathing the free air,
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping that he gets his retribution. I hope
Speaker 1: that he is still seen as a hero and a
Speaker 1: legit treasure hunter who went the extra mile and made
Speaker 1: it happen. So I thought that was going to be
Speaker 1: a cool one to bring up.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk a little bit about what's going on
Speaker 2: with Iran is from a couple of days ago, the carrier,
Speaker 2: the USS gerald R Ford suffers a fire and at
Speaker 2: least two sailors are injured. Now this is the same
Speaker 2: gerald R Ford that was.
Speaker 1: Having issues with their plumbing and their toilets backing up
Speaker 1: not too terribly long ago, and now they had a fire.
Speaker 1: So let's learn a little bit more about this. The
Speaker 1: fire broke out on board aircraft carrier SS gerald Ford
Speaker 1: on Thursday. Multiple sources confirmed to us NI News the
Speaker 1: initial fire has been extinguished, but the crew is still
Speaker 1: doing damage control. According to a US official, Naval c
Speaker 1: Systems Command for Deployed Regional Maintenance Center Good God, that's
Speaker 1: mouthful is preparing to help the fleet with electrical support.
Speaker 1: On March twelfth, the USS gerald R Ford experienced a
Speaker 1: fire that originated in the ship's main laundry spaces.
Speaker 2: The laundry spaces.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's important because when this ship caught fire,
Speaker 1: Iran was trying to tout it as a victory for them,
Speaker 1: like one of their bombs had gotten through.
Speaker 2: I remember seeing a few social media posts from their.
Speaker 1: Outlets saying that they had just scored a hit and
Speaker 1: there was a there was a picture of the fire
Speaker 1: and all these things they were using it for that
Speaker 1: propaganda that didn't go twelve hours before they were like, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's not what happened. There's actually no way in
Speaker 1: hell that you could touch our boats. But like, okay,
Speaker 1: so just so we're clear here, the laundry room, some
Speaker 1: fucking lower enlisted didn't clean out the lint traps or
Speaker 1: and or a dryer overheated or something, and there was
Speaker 1: a fire on the ship. That is the thing that happened.
Speaker 1: The cause of the fire was not combat related and
Speaker 1: is contained. There was no damage to the ship's propulsion plant,
Speaker 1: and the aircraft carrier remains fully operational.
Speaker 2: Two sailors are currently receiving.
Speaker 1: Medical treatment for non life threatening injuries, and our stable
Speaker 1: or instable condition rather. Additional information will be provided when available.
Speaker 1: As of Wednesday, Ford was operating in the northern part
Speaker 1: of the Red Sea, off the coast of Al Jaj,
Speaker 1: probably mispronouncing in Saudi Arabia. According to a ship spotter,
Speaker 1: Ford and three of its escorts, the USS Mahan, USS
Speaker 1: Bainbridge and the USS Winston S. Churchill, transited the Suez
Speaker 1: Canal last week. The Ford Carrier Strike Group has been
Speaker 1: participating in Operation Epic Fury, the US is Raeli campaign
Speaker 1: against Iran that is nearly nearing the end of its
Speaker 1: second week. The carrier has been deployed since June of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five and has been extended multiple times. Last month,
Speaker 1: the Pentagon extended Ford and tasked the carrier to the
Speaker 1: Middle East ahead.
Speaker 2: Of the start of the war with Iran.
Speaker 1: If the Ford remains deployed until mid April, it will
Speaker 1: break the post Vietnam War two hundred and ninety four
Speaker 1: day record for carrier deployments. The USS Abraham Lincoln set
Speaker 1: that record in twenty twenty. Should the carrier stay out
Speaker 1: until early May, it would rival the three hundred day
Speaker 1: plus deployments that carried carriers conducted during the Vietnam War
Speaker 1: in the Gulf of Tonkin. So anyway, I just want
Speaker 1: to bring this out here. A lot of things have
Speaker 1: been said about the fire on the Gerald Ford. It
Speaker 1: was a laundry room.
Speaker 2: Fire, y'all. That's all it was.
Speaker 1: Everything is fine, everything is hunky dory. But as we
Speaker 1: were talking about the sea, as we were talking about
Speaker 1: the ocean and things like that, and because we were
Speaker 1: just talking about treasure hunting, there is a conversation being
Speaker 1: had right now the archaeological discovery of the century. A
Speaker 1: city resembling Atlantis has been found at the bottom of
Speaker 1: a lake. I thought this was fucking awesome, so let's
Speaker 1: talk about it here. A medieval settlement has been confirmed
Speaker 1: on a lake floor, showing that streets and buildings lie
Speaker 1: underwater today. That drowned footprint charges are changes where historians
Speaker 1: look for trade, religion, and daily life along Central Asia's
Speaker 1: oldest travel corridors. So let's talk about it more. Along
Speaker 1: Lake a Sikh Cool in Kyrgyzstan south of Kazakhstan in
Speaker 1: Central Asia, divers in an underwater expedition surveyed a flooded
Speaker 1: zone near Toro or Turu or a ager can't pronounce
Speaker 1: it anyway using those fines archaiolol archaeologists Valerie Kolinchko Kolchinko, Kolchinko, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Valerie Kolchinko of the National Academy of Sciences in the
Speaker 1: Kurjez Republic called it a city from just three feet
Speaker 1: to thirteen feet down. Kolchinko's team mapped four separate areas
Speaker 1: where walls, beams, and pottery state intact. Such intact material
Speaker 1: make the label or the lakeb lat Jesus Christ. That's
Speaker 1: a misfucked up word there, makes the lake bed more
Speaker 1: than a rumor, But the real street plan still remains
Speaker 1: hidden walls, kilns in debris. So back in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three and twenty twenty four, an expedition report described brick
Speaker 1: buildings and kiln complexes lying beneath the water of this lake.
Speaker 1: Alongside the masonry, divers collected broken ceramics, animal bones, and
Speaker 1: slag left over ways from metal heating and refining. Under
Speaker 1: loose sand, the team found a preserved cultural layer, a
Speaker 1: band of soil packed with human traces, findings that buried
Speaker 1: layers are finding. That buried layer suggests people built and
Speaker 1: rebuilt on the shore for years before water covered everything.
Speaker 2: So caravan rhoads once threaded around this region, and UNESCO
Speaker 2: tracks those corridors in its Silk Roads program. In Kyrgyzstan,
Speaker 2: a conservation report traced a main path from Chui Valley
Speaker 2: west of this lake and over Bedel Pass into China.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm not saying this is actually Atlantis. I'm
Speaker 1: saying a completely intact city underwaters where the Atlantis thing
Speaker 1: comes from. Some through that corridor, merchants moved silk, spices
Speaker 1: and metal works, while ideas about religion and language traveled
Speaker 1: with them. The monument understudy is a city or a
Speaker 1: large commercial alg a goalt, agglomeration, amalgam. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they misspelled that one either. Either way, it's a
Speaker 1: large commercial city, you know, market if you will. On
Speaker 1: one of the important sections of the Silk Road, so
Speaker 1: burials point to Islam. Near the ruined buildings, a team
Speaker 1: documented a thirteenth and fourteenth century Muslim necropolis, a planned
Speaker 1: cemetery used by the com by one community. Bodies lay
Speaker 1: with faces turned toward Quibla Quibla, the direction of Mecca
Speaker 1: during prayer, matching long standing burial practices. Covering roughly one
Speaker 1: thousand by six hundred and fifty feet, the cemetery still
Speaker 1: hailed enough bone for specialists to recover two individuals. Wave
Speaker 1: action is eroding the graves now, so carefully recording or
Speaker 1: careful recording may matter more than digging up every artifact. Tony,
Speaker 1: I see you unmute yourself, bro, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the Kibler direction. And we did a whole
Speaker 3: episode on this once upon a time, but yeah, they
Speaker 3: got a face Mecca or Petra tradtional version of Islam.
Speaker 2: I'm i gotta say, dude, after we talked about it,
Speaker 2: I looked more into it. I think you're on the
Speaker 2: money with this one.
Speaker 1: I completely agree that Petro was the original site that
Speaker 1: the Muslims saw with such veneration, and then they just
Speaker 1: kind of arbitrarily decided on Mecca because there was a
Speaker 1: lot of pagan tribes that used that site at Mecca
Speaker 1: for a lot of sacrifices and rituals and things, but
Speaker 1: that didn't come about until years after Mohammed.
Speaker 3: Well, and the whole thing started in Petra and it
Speaker 3: was transplanted to Mecca about sixty years after Mohammad died
Speaker 3: in six point thirty two AD due to a major
Speaker 3: civil war that took place within early Islam and a
Speaker 3: guy named Mohammad or something ibben Zubar who ran Petra
Speaker 3: trying to get the sacred Stone as far away from
Speaker 3: Syria as possible, so he took it south and then
Speaker 3: it lived there forever, and that's Mecca. And there's zero
Speaker 3: archaeological evidence anyone lived in Mecca before the seventh century. Zero.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't think they lived there, but didn't they.
Speaker 1: Again, it's been a while since I looked into this,
Speaker 1: but I want to say there was like a group
Speaker 1: or multiple groups of sand dwelling pagan tribes that lived
Speaker 1: in that area that used Mecca for certain sacrifices.
Speaker 2: Am I off base here?
Speaker 3: Well, all the Hadiths that refer to that are probably
Speaker 3: actually talking about Petra. Petra was a major city going
Speaker 3: back to before Emperor Hadrian in the first century or
Speaker 3: second century, and Mecca has zero archaeological evidence anything any
Speaker 3: human habitation was going on, So the entire the entire
Speaker 3: history was just transplanted, and they pretended everything happened way
Speaker 3: down south here in the Hijaz region. They had to
Speaker 3: pretend nothing took place in Petra, and Petra became a
Speaker 3: ghost town. It was completely forgotten until Swiss guy rediscovered
Speaker 3: it in about eighteen twenty.
Speaker 1: And that also blows my mind because with the size
Speaker 1: of Petra and all of the importance that there is there,
Speaker 1: you would think that even the locals would have tried
Speaker 1: to keep it up, not even a little bit.
Speaker 3: Hans Ludwig Burkhardt and he moved to Egypt. He converted
Speaker 3: to Islam, and a bunch of people told him, you know,
Speaker 3: there's this big ghost town if you go this way,
Speaker 3: you know, into the Negev Desert. And he went out
Speaker 3: and found it and said, oh my goodness, this is
Speaker 3: the city that tons of ancient Greek and Roman you know,
Speaker 3: writers wrote about. But it used to have a lot
Speaker 3: of water at that time, and I think the water
Speaker 3: it suffered some major earthquakes, for one thing, and the
Speaker 3: waterways and aqueducts are still there, but there's very little
Speaker 3: water there right today. So it became a ghost town.
Speaker 2: It's incredible, and a Swedish dude converted to Islam.
Speaker 3: Swiss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yes, excuse me Swiss. But that's that's so crazy.
Speaker 2: Because he was an educator guy obviously, to go in
Speaker 2: these expeditions and things, you think he would have read
Speaker 2: the Koran or read the Hedeeth and been like, huh,
Speaker 2: something's a little bit fucky here.
Speaker 3: Let me double check that. I'll correct the record if
Speaker 3: I'm wrong about.
Speaker 1: I believe I heard that once upon a time about
Speaker 1: the guy who discovered Petro. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: a slight bit of critical thinking. I understand that faith
Speaker 1: is very important and We just talked about how certain
Speaker 1: things from the Old Testament you need a lot of
Speaker 1: faith to believe.
Speaker 2: I feel this, I truly do. But even just looking
Speaker 2: at the.
Speaker 1: Words of Mohammed and just everything he taught, cut to
Speaker 1: how he died, all of that collectively, like you would
Speaker 1: think a sane, logical person with the ability to form free,
Speaker 1: an independent thought wouldn't read the Koran and think, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this is clearly the way like that that
Speaker 1: just has always blown my mind converts to Muslim. Now,
Speaker 1: if it's at sword point for self preservation, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I agree with it, but at least I could
Speaker 1: put the pieces together in.
Speaker 2: My head to be like, yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: It was either convert or die, so like cool, I
Speaker 1: feel like that wasn't the case for our boy here.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Sam, go ahead.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry, I just got back.
Speaker 5: I was gonna ask besides talking about yo, go fugger,
Speaker 5: what did I miss.
Speaker 2: Nothing? Sam?
Speaker 1: We're talking about the gerald Ford. We're talking about an
Speaker 1: ancient city that was found underwater. We're talking about just
Speaker 1: just stuff, bro.
Speaker 7: You know the Chinese Atlantis.
Speaker 2: No, this one's actually uh in Kyrgyzstan, south of Kazakhstan.
Speaker 5: Okay, I know that that that that was the Yeo
Speaker 5: Soviet Union.
Speaker 7: So it's someone in eastern Europe.
Speaker 2: Uh, southwest Asia.
Speaker 1: Oh so my people southwest like closer to closer to
Speaker 1: like Persia.
Speaker 2: Than it is to to China.
Speaker 7: The sandbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there's like borderline sandbox people, not exactly, but borderline.
Speaker 2: They're on the outskirts if you will, Okay, yeah, okay, Tony,
Speaker 2: what do you find?
Speaker 3: Yeah he did convert.
Speaker 2: That's so fucking crazy to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He had to go to extraordinary lengths to prove
Speaker 3: he was really Muslim so that he would be allowed
Speaker 3: to travel to Mecca and he passed the tests. Wow,
Speaker 3: he spoke. Yeah, he traveled to Aleppo first. Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: along Wikipedia and his name was Johan Ludvig Berkhart, not Hans.
Speaker 1: I was wrong, you were off by one yo. Like,
Speaker 1: calm down, you're closer than the rest of us. But anyway,
Speaker 1: that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about why this city sank.
Speaker 1: Geologists know that the tian Shan Mountains shake often, and
Speaker 1: Kolchenko linked the city's drowning to a major fifteenth century earthquake.
Speaker 1: When an earthquake breaks the lake bed or tilts, the
Speaker 1: shore water can spill over the streets and bury walls
Speaker 1: under silt. Atlantis is a label people reached for, yet
Speaker 1: signs of abandonment before the collapse suggest the disaster killed
Speaker 1: few residents. After the city vanished, nomadic groups use the
Speaker 1: shore in small villages still ring the lake today. So
Speaker 1: I just thrown this out here. It's not actually Atlantis,
Speaker 1: but still cool. And if I'm not mistaken, this is
Speaker 1: an actual picture of the site, so you can clearly
Speaker 1: tell that this was a Muslim town, right. You can
Speaker 1: see the tall pillar, the dome, the whole situation on
Speaker 1: a mosque type of situation, the cemetery.
Speaker 2: It's still cool as shit that they have found this underwater.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right.
Speaker 1: Moving on, let's talk a little bit more of the
Speaker 1: modern day here. So this is from the Independent. I
Speaker 1: understand the source, you have to question it and test
Speaker 1: it and all the things. But I thought this was
Speaker 1: a fascinating one to bring up here. So doge Bros
Speaker 1: Exposed depositions from Elon Musk's team revealed chat GPT process
Speaker 1: for gutting DEI grants. So there was ten hours of
Speaker 1: testimony that was given recently from two of these DOZE
Speaker 1: dudes that uncovered their largely uninformed judgments behind sweeping decisions
Speaker 1: about grant funds. We can all remember when Trump took
Speaker 1: office the second time, within the first few months, DOZE
Speaker 1: was coming in to cut out all the wasteful fraud
Speaker 1: and abuse and spending and all these things.
Speaker 2: And for the record, a lot of the things that
Speaker 2: they were.
Speaker 1: Cutting, I have to say, and granted what we were
Speaker 1: told about what they were cutting, I supported, right, fine,
Speaker 1: But apparently two of these dudes have left DOZE and
Speaker 1: now they're speaking out about what actually went down there.
Speaker 1: So you know, let's see how long this little video
Speaker 1: is here.
Speaker 2: Let's see, uh, how do you interpret?
Speaker 1: Okay, so from them, So this is justin Fox, former
Speaker 1: DOGE staffer. Let's listen to him and hear what he
Speaker 1: has to say about it.
Speaker 15: DEI, there was the EO explicitly laid out the details.
Speaker 7: I don't remember it off the top.
Speaker 15: Of my head.
Speaker 2: I'm asking for your understanding of it.
Speaker 15: Yeah, my understanding was exactly what was written in the EOY.
Speaker 16: So can you I don't remember what was in the
Speaker 16: EU so right now, do you have an understanding of
Speaker 16: what dee I is yeah, okay, So what's your understanding
Speaker 16: I guess you sit here today in this deposition.
Speaker 15: Well, it was exactly what was written in the EO,
Speaker 15: and so anytime that we would look at a grant
Speaker 15: through the lens of complying with an exact order, we
Speaker 15: would just refer back to the EO and assess if
Speaker 15: this grant had relation to it.
Speaker 16: Okay, But I guess I'm stepping back from your methodology
Speaker 16: strictly and terminating the grants. Do you have an understanding
Speaker 16: I guess you sit here today of what dee I means. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 16: So what's your understanding of what it means? Well, it
Speaker 16: is exactly what was written in the EO.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 15: So I don't have the EO in front of me,
Speaker 15: but that was we would always reference back to the
Speaker 15: EO and make sure that this grant was in compliance
Speaker 15: with the EO.
Speaker 16: I understand that, okay, But I'm not asking necessarily about
Speaker 16: what was in the EO. I'm asking very specifically about
Speaker 16: your present understanding of what of DEI do you have
Speaker 16: a present understanding of d okay? Can you explain what
Speaker 16: that present understanding is?
Speaker 15: Well, it is just easier for me to be referencing
Speaker 15: back to the EO.
Speaker 2: Are you refusing to answer the question.
Speaker 7: I'm not refusing to answer the question. Okay, I just
Speaker 7: feel that.
Speaker 1: Your boy is fucking pleading the fifth like a motherfucker here. Okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, So let's get into here. So Elon Musk's
Speaker 1: disciples in his so called Department of Government Efficiency were
Speaker 1: embedded across federal agencies with a mandate to fire thousands
Speaker 1: of public employees and radically cut federal spending, of which
Speaker 1: most of the country rejoiced. When Musk deployed DOGE into
Speaker 1: the National Endowment for the Humanities, which provides vital financial
Speaker 1: support for researching are its programs. I saw some of
Speaker 1: the research they were conducting. I wouldn't say that the
Speaker 1: research was necessarily vital. In a lot of those cases,
Speaker 1: Musk's staff abruptly choked off more than fourteen hundred grants,
Speaker 1: eliminating tens of millions of dollars in public funding within
Speaker 1: less than a month. More than ten hours of newly
Speaker 1: released video testimony from January uncovers how the two DOGE
Speaker 1: operators relied on chat, GPT and their own largely unformed
Speaker 1: judgments to make sweeping decisions about funding for a range
Speaker 1: of programs and projects and the people who rely on them.
Speaker 2: The depositions, stemming from a lawsuit from the Modern Language Association,
Speaker 2: the American Council of Learned Societies, and the American Historical Association,
Speaker 2: included testimony from the two young DOZE officials, Justin Fox
Speaker 2: and Nathan Cavanaugh, neither of whom had experienced working in government,
Speaker 2: let alone grant administration. The only grants they didn't touch
Speaker 2: involved events surrounding America's two hundred and fiftieth anniversary and
Speaker 2: the National Garden of Heroes to Donald's Trump's priorities. So
Speaker 2: these are the two dudes in question here right.
Speaker 1: Evidence from in this case exposes DOGE haphazard and unlawful
Speaker 1: actions from unqualified agents who undermined the separation of powers
Speaker 1: and denied the American people access to vital public programming
Speaker 1: and research. According to Modern Language Association executive director Paula M. Krebs,
Speaker 1: there was a lot of quotes in that sentence that
Speaker 1: I just said, But anyway, long story short, they're saying
Speaker 1: that the dudes that were running DOGE had no clue
Speaker 1: what they were doing. They were using Chad GPT with
Speaker 1: a certain uh and which they were very open about
Speaker 1: the fact that they were using AI to power doge.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize there was Chad GPT.
Speaker 2: I figured because it was Elon's baby, they would have
Speaker 2: been using what's ex's version is that Grock. I figured
Speaker 2: they would have been using Grock for this. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: makes a little more sense to me.
Speaker 1: But apparently they were just using Chad GPT to sift
Speaker 1: through what grants did and did not actually fit in
Speaker 1: with equal Opportunity and DEI shit. So that's a thing.
Speaker 1: But again they're they're bitching about this, y'all. Do remember
Speaker 1: us talking about this. One of those research projects that
Speaker 1: got like, I want to say, it was like fourteen
Speaker 1: million dollars was from was the University of Alabama or
Speaker 1: South Carolina. It was about how much wind from a
Speaker 1: leaf blowery it takes to blow a lizard off a tree.
Speaker 1: That was That was millions of dollars that was being
Speaker 1: put forth to the research and the things that the
Speaker 1: public needed, vital, vital things. It's like, again, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying everything they cut was that ridiculous, but a lot
Speaker 1: of the things they cut were fucking retarded, like, I'm
Speaker 1: just throwing it out. But Sam, I see your hand brother,
Speaker 1: go ahead, shry.
Speaker 13: I thought I loaded it my bad.
Speaker 2: Oh all right, cool, cool cool. So anyway, chat GPT
Speaker 2: and DEI.
Speaker 1: During his hours long deposition, Fox admitted to using chat
Speaker 1: ept to sift through grants before Dough started slashing. They
Speaker 1: used a prompt does the following relate to DEI, and
Speaker 1: then they would just input the fucking the grant and
Speaker 1: see what popped up. Then they asked the generative AI
Speaker 1: chatbot to quote respond factually in less than one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty characters and begin with yes or no, followed
Speaker 1: by a brief explanation.
Speaker 2: So they didn't actually do any kind of real work
Speaker 2: into this.
Speaker 1: They were strictly using chat GPT to figure out if
Speaker 1: this was or was not a good thing for the
Speaker 1: government to spend its money on. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: asinine like on some very real levels. And again they
Speaker 1: were saying, and Musk went on saying that with the
Speaker 1: use of AI they were able to really get through
Speaker 1: and just find the fraud and find the abuse and
Speaker 1: just cut through it relatively quickly and all these things.
Speaker 2: I didn't think that this was what they were doing.
Speaker 1: I thought they were using like an AI model that
Speaker 1: they made specifically to go through all of the things,
Speaker 1: all of the grants, all of where the money's going,
Speaker 1: and follow each penny to to its final destination. This
Speaker 1: is not what I thought was going on there. I'm
Speaker 1: still more in favor of Doze than not, but I'm
Speaker 1: also very much against Chad g Ept. And again when
Speaker 1: I say Doze, I don't meet Elon Musk and his crew.
Speaker 1: I'm saying I am all about us finding where there's
Speaker 1: stupid government spending and cutting that out. I'm fully in
Speaker 1: favor of that, including sending money to foreign countries. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need to be doing that, at least
Speaker 1: not for a few years, right. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we need to go fully isolationist. I'm saying that as
Speaker 1: of this moment, we have a deficit that's rising by
Speaker 1: the hour, by the minute, by the second. We don't
Speaker 1: need to be sending a few million dollars to random
Speaker 1: country in Africa, to Israel, to Ukraine to where.
Speaker 2: We don't need to do that. You know, that's just
Speaker 2: my hot take anyway, But go ahead, Sam.
Speaker 5: I agree with you, and can we please take the
Speaker 5: weapons from the.
Speaker 2: IRS, haven't they. They didn't disarm the I r S.
Speaker 2: Did they? No? I remember they were training like ten
Speaker 2: thousand they.
Speaker 6: Oh no, I didn't give them more.
Speaker 2: I remember this.
Speaker 1: I remember when they were training up like ten thousand
Speaker 1: I r S employees to do some sort of close
Speaker 1: quarters combat, and it was like, why are you aren't
Speaker 1: arming the I r S. Which is not a government entity,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a civilian agency allegedly, But.
Speaker 5: It was the treasure I mean the I r S
Speaker 5: I called Oh, I mean wrong it they it was
Speaker 5: the Treasury, the IRS.
Speaker 6: I took down capone.
Speaker 2: It was a Treasury department, not the r S.
Speaker 1: It was for income tax evasion, yes, but they didn't
Speaker 1: send I r S clerks after our capone. They sent
Speaker 1: Treasury officers Elliott Ness and his untouchables. I believe it
Speaker 1: was called but yeah, that's so yeah.
Speaker 5: Which wasn't The Secret Service originally meant for the Treasury
Speaker 5: for like the Federalist serves and shit.
Speaker 1: I want to say the Secret Service was pretty much
Speaker 1: just for the private protection of multiple buildings and agencies
Speaker 1: within DC, but after Lincoln it became specifically.
Speaker 2: To protect potus.
Speaker 1: But every federal agency has an armed wing, just everybody knows,
Speaker 1: like the Post Office has an armed wing within it.
Speaker 1: I know that's a crazy thing to say, but.
Speaker 6: Like every I was going postal and shooting up the
Speaker 6: Post Office.
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe, but like you've ever seen a Yellowstone, right,
Speaker 1: So they got the Livestock Agency and they're all tack
Speaker 1: geared up and all these things, and yes, for the show,
Speaker 1: they make it seem like these dudes are doing unlawful
Speaker 1: things behind age of the Livestock Enforcement Commission or something,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 2: That is a real thing.
Speaker 1: The Livestock Enforcement Commission is a real thing that does
Speaker 1: have dudes with all the tactical gear that does things
Speaker 1: along those lines, not illegally allegedly, but yeah, every single
Speaker 1: agency within the federal government has some sort of inherent
Speaker 1: armed wing within it.
Speaker 2: Food for thought anyway. All right, that's all we really
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about.
Speaker 1: With the Doge thing, they now know that chat GPT
Speaker 1: is the one that was behind Doge in all the cuts.
Speaker 2: This was a weird one.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what to think of it, but
Speaker 1: I figured we could start talking about this more. And
Speaker 1: I'm very curious that this is edible. So wild pigs, boarhogs,
Speaker 1: their meat is turning neon blue in California and has
Speaker 1: triggered warnings. So on screen right now is a picture
Speaker 1: of the.
Speaker 2: Wild pig that was killed.
Speaker 1: All the do was cut a slit across what it
Speaker 1: looks like a backstrap. The meat inside is bright blue.
Speaker 1: This is wildest shit. And I'm also very curious if
Speaker 1: blue eggs and ham taste good or blue. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, green eggs and blue ham?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: What other fuck doctor sus was saying before we get
Speaker 1: into it, Sam, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 5: Oh, Stam, I am does not like green eggs and ham,
Speaker 5: but I would definitely try that. Maybe it's a lot
Speaker 5: like the bear meat where if they et enough blueberries
Speaker 5: they take on the the flavor profile.
Speaker 2: Uh maybe maybe, but I don't think that's what there.
Speaker 5: Still tastes the same as over a bed of rice
Speaker 5: and gravy, That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But like borhog doesn't have a lot of fat to
Speaker 1: it's more lean meat, so like it ain't much gravy
Speaker 1: gonna get off of this, But even still it's it's
Speaker 1: weird as shit. We're gonna read about how it's turning blue.
Speaker 1: But Norse Trucker, what's your thoughts?
Speaker 12: Hey, bet it's coming from the lakes and ponds, because
Speaker 12: you know how they put that blue dye into some
Speaker 12: lakes and ponds. Yeah, that's probably where that's coming from.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad thought. Honestly, I could see the connection.
Speaker 1: There are something Kim trail related, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's.
Speaker 1: Read about it and find out together, y'all. Game hunters
Speaker 1: found startlingly starting the neon blue flesh inside wild pigs
Speaker 1: in California in twenty twenty five, prompting advisory statements about
Speaker 1: potential contamination. I'm not talking about a little blue, Dan Burton,
Speaker 1: owner of a wildlife control company, told Salvador Hernandez at
Speaker 1: the Los Angeles Times, I'm talking about neon blue, blueberry blue.
Speaker 1: An investigation by local authorities found that the dramatic color
Speaker 1: change was caused by rodenticide poisoning. Rodenticide poisoning, I believe
Speaker 1: this would. I'm they're trying to fancy it rat poison,
Speaker 1: essentially prompting them to issue a warning throughout Monterey County
Speaker 1: rat poisons containing the chemical compound DIFI sayt d oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna try to get this word right,
Speaker 1: y'all give me a second. Let it cook here. Difuscynon
Speaker 1: difa synone di fus synon I don't know are often
Speaker 1: sold dyed blue for identification. The compound's use has been
Speaker 1: highly restricted in California since twenty twenty four. Well obviously
Speaker 1: not dog hunters should be aware that the meat of
Speaker 1: the game animals such as wild pigs, deer, bear, and
Speaker 1: geese might be contaminated if that game animal has been
Speaker 1: exposed to the rodenticides, said Pesticide Investigator Coordinator Ryan Berber
Speaker 1: from the California Department of Wildlife and Fisheries. Rodenticide exposure
Speaker 1: can be a concern for non target wildlife in areas
Speaker 1: where applications occur in close proximity with wildlife habitat. Concerningly,
Speaker 1: this isn't the first time the wild pigs in the
Speaker 1: region have had their enterds tainted blue. A popular rodent
Speaker 1: control on agriculture. Deficinone again I don't fucking know is
Speaker 1: a first generation rodenticide and that acts as an anticoagulant,
Speaker 1: causing severe internal bleeding. It works by binding to an
Speaker 1: enzyme that recycles vitamin K. This reduces availability of vitamin K,
Speaker 1: making it impossible for animal livers to produce enough of
Speaker 1: the clotting factor crucial for to prevent internal bleeding.
Speaker 2: So this is what it looks like. This is like bait.
Speaker 2: This is the blue. It looks like blue.
Speaker 1: Coffee beans almost Honestly, Predators including humans, who eat an
Speaker 1: animal poison with the toxin can become ill themselves. While
Speaker 1: the chemical breaks down faster than second generation road insides
Speaker 1: the d I'm calling it that remains active in the
Speaker 1: dead animals tissue for some time, even if it's cooked.
Speaker 1: Wildlife groups globally have long been urging us to stop
Speaker 1: relying on chemical pesticides because of the collateral damage these
Speaker 1: poisons inflict, from owls to bees, pesticides are causing great
Speaker 1: harm to wildlife. Non target animals either consume it directly
Speaker 1: or are impacted by secondary exposure while eating other animals
Speaker 1: that have ingested the poison, adding further strain on already
Speaker 1: endangered species. Wow, so it's from a rat poison That
Speaker 1: is crazy as shit honestly, But I mean again, damn,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to try some of that blue pigmy.
Speaker 1: I really wanted to see what that was about. But
Speaker 1: I ain't trying to die over it. Oh God, Royce,
Speaker 1: I know you're going to weigh in because it's pig.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Oh all, I was going to say, I
Speaker 7: just make sure you don't eat blue meat.
Speaker 2: I mean, curiosity was about to kill this cat, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Hold on making a reference for some other blue meat
Speaker 7: from many years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh god, blue or not red, you don't want to eat.
Speaker 17: It, didn't land Bat.
Speaker 1: I was like, don't be no, don't be no blue
Speaker 1: roast beef out there, neither, for all my men out
Speaker 1: there in them streets.
Speaker 2: Just so we're clear.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much for properly landing.
Speaker 6: Tom got away.
Speaker 2: From all of these, especially if it's blue. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But I thought we were roasting him because he's a vampire.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 1: I thought he was actually gonna make a reference to like, see,
Speaker 1: that's why we don't eat pork.
Speaker 2: But like, you know, I mean, here's that.
Speaker 7: I didn't need to say it because you're set up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess so, I guess mind control goddamn it.
Speaker 7: I mean mind control handler you know, might as well
Speaker 7: rack up, rack it up right?
Speaker 2: Why not he admitted it?
Speaker 4: He is handler if that's the case.
Speaker 1: Apparently, according to some people, I was supposed to be
Speaker 1: receiving a seven thousand dollars check from Israel and I
Speaker 1: ain't seen a penny of that ship. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess so you kept all of that ship, you fuck.
Speaker 1: I'm still saying fuck Net Yahountil, I get my check.
Speaker 1: But if I get my check, I might sing a
Speaker 1: different song. But as at this moment, Net and Yaho
Speaker 1: could eat a dick.
Speaker 2: Anyway before that guy gives you a dime.
Speaker 1: Well, some people are saying he's dead anyway, So I
Speaker 1: guess it don't really matter.
Speaker 2: You don't make no sense. The devil out of his
Speaker 2: money now.
Speaker 1: No, No, it's there's gonna be some other pundit that's
Speaker 1: gonna take over.
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing.
Speaker 5: Which but he's in hell if it and all, wouldn't
Speaker 5: he be taking the money from the.
Speaker 13: Devil because he's out of money?
Speaker 7: Wait? Who who? Wait? Wait, who's who's in hell?
Speaker 2: Net and Yahoo? If he's dead, that's the thing. Jews
Speaker 2: don't believe in hell?
Speaker 7: Dog No, So I mean we do, just not permanent.
Speaker 17: Believe we believe in Uh, well show and I mean
Speaker 17: ghanem is just it is.
Speaker 7: It's a place where where your soul gets heard of
Speaker 7: the sins you did in this life. But it's just
Speaker 7: not a temporary thing unless you are a haliciously evil person.
Speaker 6: Can I give you my evidence and why he would
Speaker 6: be inhale?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? Why not? Let's go there, Sam.
Speaker 6: He's a politician. You can't trust those sleazy bastards.
Speaker 2: I cannot refute that statement, sir.
Speaker 9: I also could could not refute.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let it be known the Jewish correspondent agrees with
Speaker 1: at least that statement.
Speaker 2: As far as that. Now, who's concerned.
Speaker 1: He's a politician, therefore a raging piece of ship, and.
Speaker 7: Untunately that goes and that that political statement goes get
Speaker 7: in there for almost every single politician.
Speaker 2: Not there's a few. There's a few, a very very small,
Speaker 2: small select few that I think maybe outside of the
Speaker 2: quote unquote stereotypical politician that we're talking about here.
Speaker 7: Mister Kennedy.
Speaker 2: Uh, we're talking about rfk Jr.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not like the old old gentleman you spoke about.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about the loved Senator Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Faceful yeah, yeah, that boy there, he's wild. I don't
Speaker 1: like every single thing he says, but dude, he's good
Speaker 1: to these one liner is that one that was like, honestly,
Speaker 1: we need some new conspiracies out there because currently the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are right about everything.
Speaker 2: They're thirty seven and O. It's like, yeah, yeah, next
Speaker 2: time somebody breaks in your house and you don't like
Speaker 2: the cops, call the.
Speaker 5: Crackhead like, my mama ain't raised no fool, and if
Speaker 5: she did, it's one of my brothers. And I'm like,
Speaker 5: I understand that that's older brother out there.
Speaker 2: I understand. I gotta be honest, dude.
Speaker 1: He reminds me of so many old men that I
Speaker 1: have worked on job sites with, with these one liners
Speaker 1: and their old ass turn of phrases like that, And
Speaker 1: it's just like, dude, you're not wrong, but the way
Speaker 1: you're saying it is way too funny for your age bracket.
Speaker 2: He reminds me of so many old dues from Louisiana.
Speaker 2: It's I like him overall. I like him, but yeah,
Speaker 2: so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: ever accepted a PAC money or or Katari money or
Speaker 1: you know, big tobacco or big oil or whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't know anything about hit where his money has come from.
Speaker 1: But as of this particular moment, very very subject to change.
Speaker 2: My dad. I tend to get down with them, you know.
Speaker 1: And there's a few of these younger politicians that are
Speaker 1: coming up that haven't been corrupted yet, even though they
Speaker 1: buy definition are now politicians, and it's like I'm holding
Speaker 1: on to hope. I'm holding on to hope that they
Speaker 1: won't start accepting outside funds. Although with that being said,
Speaker 1: I feel like we also need to have this conversation.
Speaker 1: Y'all saw all Jake Paul which one's the younger brother?
Speaker 2: Is that Jake or Logan? Whatever one does the boxing,
Speaker 2: not the one that's associated with the rest. He's the
Speaker 2: one who guys all broken two places.
Speaker 1: Yeah that fuck? So he, I guess opened for Trump
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. And as he got off stage, and you
Speaker 1: heard the people in Kentucky, they weren't like happy, they
Speaker 1: weren't like super like yay the Paul brothers here, they
Speaker 1: were kind of like sure cool, all right? And then
Speaker 1: Trump gets up on stage and says, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: saying it now, I'm just gonna predict the future.
Speaker 7: Here.
Speaker 1: I see you running for the political realm within the
Speaker 1: United States of America, and the people were kind of like, yay,
Speaker 1: Like they weren't like cheering that on.
Speaker 2: They weren't scoffing either.
Speaker 1: They were kind of like, I guess we're supposed to
Speaker 1: pause and applause at this time, all right, But like
Speaker 1: y'all understand, we're getting into a timeframe where content creator
Speaker 1: and influencers have a decent shot at running for politics
Speaker 1: and getting elected in in places that are full of
Speaker 1: idiots like this, this is a real thing that we could,
Speaker 1: like the Paul brothers might run for some office in
Speaker 1: California and win in the next twenty years. It's possible
Speaker 1: that one of the Paul brothers is like governor of California.
Speaker 1: Like this, this should terrify people, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like, would they be doing a better or worse
Speaker 1: job than the politicians that are currently in because if
Speaker 1: they're already that wealthy, you would have to throw a
Speaker 1: large sum at them to buy them out to make
Speaker 1: them vote one way or another, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's I've heard a couple of conversations be said on this, like,
Speaker 1: for instance, and I brought him up a few times,
Speaker 1: Brandon Herrera, I believe is about to win District twenty
Speaker 1: three in Texas.
Speaker 2: Super supporting of this, love him to death.
Speaker 1: He is going to do great things for that district
Speaker 1: and for Texas, and I fully believe that. But that's
Speaker 1: all so because his politics leans alongside my politics.
Speaker 2: But could y'all imagine real shit, just laying all cards on.
Speaker 1: The table here, mister beast could run for a political office,
Speaker 1: and with his funding, he could promote the fuck out
Speaker 1: of it, run all the TV ads, all the radio ads,
Speaker 1: all the billboard ads, whatever, and he stands a decent
Speaker 1: shot at winning whatever political realm he ever decided to
Speaker 1: get involved with.
Speaker 2: That's that's a bit terrifying, honestly. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've heard some people say, like I was saying, like no, no,
Speaker 1: super pac is gonna throw him a check for one
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars and make him vote their way because
Speaker 1: he's mister fucking beast, Like you don't have, no group
Speaker 1: has the funds to, you know, get him to sway.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that wouldn't stop them from trying.
Speaker 1: And then also if he's untouchable, that could mean he's
Speaker 1: pretty much a rogue agent in DC, and that'd be
Speaker 1: a whole other problem in and of itself. It's we
Speaker 1: very well might be stepping into weird, very strange, very
Speaker 1: scary times.
Speaker 2: I'm just throwing it out. It's food for thought.
Speaker 1: Anyway, Sam, your hands raised, I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: you meant for it to be raised or if you
Speaker 1: got to put it down.
Speaker 7: At one point, I before he died, I thought Charlie.
Speaker 13: Would have been in the running for president at one point.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but even he's said for years he didn't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with running for politics. He liked
Speaker 1: speaking on it and like reaching the youth. Maybe one
Speaker 1: day he would have changed his mind. But he, from
Speaker 1: what I could tell, had no intentions on it.
Speaker 7: No I'm saying is I.
Speaker 6: Could have seen him as one. I could have seen
Speaker 6: him do actually good.
Speaker 5: And I actually, whether you like the man or not,
Speaker 5: did you tanged everybody with respect?
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: But I mean and even the further that point, look
Speaker 1: at Cash Patel and Dan BONGI know these dudes are
Speaker 1: doing content creation. Yeah, well, bug eyed, fuck these dudes
Speaker 1: are doing content before they became the head and second
Speaker 1: in command of the FBI. Now granted that was an
Speaker 1: appointed position, not a voted in a position, but like
Speaker 1: y'all see what I'm saying here, weirdly enough, influencer types
Speaker 1: and content creator types might start holding some very serious
Speaker 1: sway in our local, state and federal politics.
Speaker 2: And that's unnerving. That's a little unnerving to me personally.
Speaker 1: I understand we all want to change, we all want
Speaker 1: to change in pace from what's been going on for
Speaker 1: the past few decades. I'm with that one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I agree, but I don't know if that's the direction
Speaker 1: that we should be cheering for. I don't know Royce
Speaker 1: way in here, brother.
Speaker 9: So I think it just depends on the individual sure,
Speaker 9: because the problem is with the whole Cash Metal and
Speaker 9: Dan Mongino thing, everybody was very very gong ho, the
Speaker 9: conspiracy community, other people in general, and then it just
Speaker 9: turned out to be a flop. So unfortunately, these first
Speaker 9: two that were more on the influencer type, they might
Speaker 9: have fucked it up for some people.
Speaker 1: It's possible, but then again, they were appointed there. They
Speaker 1: didn't get votes, So, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: it's if the influencer types getting good with whatever the
Speaker 1: next president's gonna be. Yeah, he could appoint these people
Speaker 1: to whatever position, But then they could also leverage their
Speaker 1: experience in those ways to bolster a future political career
Speaker 1: if they decided to throw their name in the ring
Speaker 1: for the ballot. But another example is like Kanye West.
Speaker 1: He put himself down in the presidential run under the
Speaker 1: Birthday Party, either Republican or the Democrat or the Independent Party.
Speaker 2: The Birthday Party. He got thousands of votes.
Speaker 1: Now, granted it was like a fucking one percent, but
Speaker 1: beside the point, we are living in a world where
Speaker 1: if enough people believed in Kanye's shit, we could be
Speaker 1: looking at President Kanye West right now.
Speaker 2: Oh yeesus himself. And that's also terrifying in a whole
Speaker 2: other regard, y'all see what I'm saying. I don't know,
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just maybe I'm just being a little bit
Speaker 2: of a hair brain conspiracy theorist here, But that's I
Speaker 2: keep in mind. Look at Ukraine Zelenski was an actor.
Speaker 1: He had no background in politics whatsoever except he played
Speaker 1: one on TV and he won the election. Now, we
Speaker 1: could also talk about rigged elections and all these things.
Speaker 1: I'm with, I get it, I'm here, But could y'all
Speaker 1: imagine a world where that becomes America? The Rock Dwayne
Speaker 1: Johnson was talking about running for president a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and some people were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hope he does. It's like, why do you have
Speaker 1: any idea what his politics are? Do you have any
Speaker 1: idea what his views on gun rights or you know,
Speaker 1: foreign relations or taxation.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea where he's coming from on
Speaker 2: these fronts or are you doing that because he plays
Speaker 2: a good character on TV and.
Speaker 7: Ady went, didn't we have a president that was an actor?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Reagan?
Speaker 1: But when we say actor, he was like he was
Speaker 1: a be if not seasier actor at that his one
Speaker 1: his one role was as the Gipper in that one
Speaker 1: movie like and he he acted with a chimp at
Speaker 1: one point in time, Like he was a definite Hollywood actor.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't.
Speaker 1: This wasn't the same as like to say, you know,
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper running for president right now?
Speaker 2: Like that was We're talking different levels of fame and success,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: My point was just that we that we've had when
Speaker 7: not the level of stardom he achieved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also ran off of what his beliefs were.
Speaker 1: And yeah, he had the name recognition from his time
Speaker 1: on TV, don't get me wrong. But he was also
Speaker 1: very big with the Second Amendment. He was very big
Speaker 1: with America getting involved in a lot of military things,
Speaker 1: the Iran Contra affair, operation star Wars.
Speaker 2: I bring that up a lot because it's still so
Speaker 2: fucking funny to me.
Speaker 1: But like he he wasn't what you would expect to
Speaker 1: come out of Hollywood, that's for damn sure.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's possible, maybe we would have some actor get
Speaker 1: into the presidency and actually do a really good job
Speaker 1: with the hell Arnold Schwarzenegger, if I'm not mistaken. When
Speaker 1: he was governor of California, they were doing pretty well
Speaker 1: while he was in I don't remember the numbers. I
Speaker 1: remember for the first few years it was pretty solid.
Speaker 1: Towards the tail end, I think he pretty much said
Speaker 1: fuck it. I don't know, I don't remember, but all right,
Speaker 1: North Trucker had his hand up first. What's your thoughts?
Speaker 13: Do you guys already have an actor as a president.
Speaker 12: Trump's been in many of films he's been in The Apprentice,
Speaker 12: he owned that show.
Speaker 13: He is an actor, he could be still acting.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't disagree with this claim. I cannot
Speaker 2: disagree with that. Yeah, damn. And then also, you were
Speaker 2: shaking your head whenever I brought up Schwarzenegger in California.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't really pay attention to a lot of his
Speaker 1: time in office. But did he not do well?
Speaker 13: I believe he actually did well.
Speaker 12: The unemployment rate in California at the time. I do
Speaker 12: believe when drastically down, everything started going well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: So, I thought so, But Sam, you're over you're shaking
Speaker 1: your head? No, what what weigh in on this?
Speaker 6: Like, I like him as a terminator and all that.
Speaker 6: Asn't acted great well.
Speaker 5: It's during the height of COVID he said that, hell,
Speaker 5: would your freetom get the damn jab.
Speaker 2: That was after he was out of the governorship, I know,
Speaker 2: but at that point, I'm like, I'm.
Speaker 6: To get to hell with your freedoms?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm talking about while he was the governor.
Speaker 1: I thought, again, if there's any listeners of this program
Speaker 1: that were in California under the time frame where Schwarzenegro
Speaker 1: is running the state. I would love to hear y'all
Speaker 1: weigh in in the comments section. Honestly, me, living in Louisiana,
Speaker 1: I look at California like, well, not all the big
Speaker 1: cities of California as the epitome of a shit stain
Speaker 1: on America, but the country folk in California are some
Speaker 1: very good salt of the earth people. I'll put that there.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We've had some actors and some Hollywood types get into
Speaker 1: political offices before, but never to the realm of like
Speaker 1: independent content creators from the youtubes.
Speaker 2: That's going to be a weird twist.
Speaker 3: I lived in California. I think he was governor from
Speaker 3: two thousand and two to two thousand and nine or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What I vaguely remember, because I come from a Republican family,
Speaker 3: is that the first term was pretty good. The second
Speaker 3: term he threw up his hands and gave up, okaycause
Speaker 3: the Democrats were going to spend whatever they're going to spend.
Speaker 3: He was pretty fiscally conservative, socially more liberal. Uh. I
Speaker 3: think he was all right. He was the best we
Speaker 3: could do at that time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with that, and I think that
Speaker 1: was actually even what he said on the campaign trail.
Speaker 1: Someone asked him, you know, are you Republican or Democrat?
Speaker 1: And he said he is, Ah, what was the term
Speaker 1: he used, He's financially conservative. Yeah, he ran a Republican,
Speaker 1: but like when asked about his policies and stuff, he
Speaker 1: said that he was like financially conservative, and he like
Speaker 1: left it at that. But yeah, yeah, I thought so too.
Speaker 1: I thought his first term went okay. I'm might have
Speaker 1: to look more deeply into his time in office, honestly, but.
Speaker 2: As we're talking about all these things, you might all
Speaker 2: end on this positive note, well positive, negative, neutral, you'd
Speaker 2: be the judge unanimous vote in risk assessment clears way
Speaker 2: for four astronauts to launch on Moon mission. Yes, Ravenly
Speaker 2: had brought this up.
Speaker 1: So I want to do a little more deep diving
Speaker 1: into this because I truly believe that the Artemist too
Speaker 1: was supposed to.
Speaker 2: Land on the Moon, and I was wrong.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's supposed to sling shot its ass to the
Speaker 1: dark side, and they kept kicking the can down the road.
Speaker 1: They're saying, Oh, we're gonna do it next month. Next month,
Speaker 1: the next month, I still have it on the cult
Speaker 1: conspiracy being a card that this rocket is not gonna
Speaker 1: take off. I still don't think it's going to I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna keep, you know, doing the little dance,
Speaker 1: doing the little tippy tap dance, and get to everybody
Speaker 1: really excited, and just not even do it and say
Speaker 1: that some system program failed and they're gonna have to
Speaker 1: re engineered or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's talk about it here.
Speaker 1: So NASA has finished a crucial risk assessment out of
Speaker 1: its head of its upcoming.
Speaker 2: Lunar fly by mission.
Speaker 1: God words are hard for me right now, and during
Speaker 1: a news conference Thursday, the agency revealed a new target
Speaker 1: launch date and discussed how officials evaluated the dangers the
Speaker 1: missions for person crew will face.
Speaker 2: The agency is now aiming to launch the.
Speaker 1: Historic mission called Artemis two on April first, as soon
Speaker 1: as six twenty four pm Eastern time. In the event
Speaker 1: of a delay, there are six additional windows for liftoff
Speaker 1: next month April second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and thirtieth.
Speaker 1: The assessment, known as Flight Readiness Review or FRR, took
Speaker 1: place over two days this week and is crucial. Excuse me,
Speaker 1: it is a crucial step toward liftoff, in which mission
Speaker 1: managers convene to determine whether the rocket, spacecraft, and ground
Speaker 1: systems are ready for launch.
Speaker 2: However, John Honeycutt, the.
Speaker 1: Chair of Artemis two mission management team, did not share
Speaker 1: a specific quantitative risk estimate for this rocket and spacecraft.
Speaker 1: Figures that characterize the probation probability of quote unquote loss
Speaker 1: of mission or quote unquote loss of crew are two
Speaker 1: pieces of data the agency shared with the public in
Speaker 1: the Space Shuttle era, and similar analysis have been offered
Speaker 1: from many missions since.
Speaker 6: Before.
Speaker 1: An uncrewed test flight called Artemis one in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: NASA assess that there was a one in one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five chance that the Orion spacecraft, the same
Speaker 1: type of vehicle that will carry the Artist two crew.
Speaker 2: Would be lost.
Speaker 1: So a one out of one twenty five shot, that's
Speaker 1: that's decent odds.
Speaker 2: I'd you know, I'm.
Speaker 1: Really bad at gambling, but I would take that. I
Speaker 1: would take that bet. You know that everything's gonna be
Speaker 1: a light. Continuing on it says, I know we have
Speaker 1: pursued loss of mission and loss of crew type number assessments,
Speaker 1: but I'm not sure we understand what they mean in reality,
Speaker 1: Honeycut said, explaining such figures typically involve guesswork, well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, duh.
Speaker 1: Honeycut noted that because Artemis two will mark only the
Speaker 1: second ever flight of NASA Space Launch System rocket, there
Speaker 1: isn't much data to go on in calculating such a.
Speaker 2: Figure for this flight.
Speaker 1: Direct quote here, we're probably not one in fifty on
Speaker 1: the mission going exactly like we want to, but we're
Speaker 1: probably not one in two like we were on the
Speaker 1: first flight. You had a one in two shot of
Speaker 1: something going horribly wrong the first time. I don't like
Speaker 1: those odds at all. All Holy shit, one in fifty
Speaker 1: is still a little too close.
Speaker 2: From a comfort here.
Speaker 1: But all right, a Honeycut said of the SLS rocket,
Speaker 1: which boosts the O'Ryan capsule to orbit the right quote again,
Speaker 1: he says, I think we're being really careful not to
Speaker 1: really lay probabilistic probabilistic numbers on the table for this mission. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know again, this might be just my conspiratorial brain
Speaker 1: going crazy here.
Speaker 2: What other shot?
Speaker 1: What are the chances here that we have another situation
Speaker 1: like the Discovery where it blows up in the sky,
Speaker 1: and it gets everybody's attention looking there rather than what's
Speaker 1: going on in Iran or what's going on with the
Speaker 1: Epstein list, or the fact that all these people that
Speaker 1: were on that list are still in their positions and
Speaker 1: nobody's being arrested. This could be some sort of a
Speaker 1: catastrophe that they engineer for that purpose. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I could see it yours truck or what your thoughts?
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then we'll find out all the astronauts twenty
Speaker 12: years later still alive yep, like on the Discovery.
Speaker 1: All working in colleges and all these things, and one
Speaker 1: of them just happened to have a twin brother that
Speaker 1: nobody knew about until twenty years later. And yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not trying to prophesy on this one.
Speaker 1: I got I don't hope. I hope that that doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But also especially with the way that things are going
Speaker 2: right now and how they're like.
Speaker 1: No, this is launching, It's like here, y'all a little
Speaker 1: too a little too angsty on why this needs to
Speaker 1: go up?
Speaker 2: But all right, and why.
Speaker 12: Is it leaving on April fools? Bro right, right, right,
Speaker 12: that's oh yeah, we're launching all it starts launching and
Speaker 12: everything like that. Say it blows up, Oh yeah, blah right,
Speaker 12: April fool.
Speaker 7: We've never been made it.
Speaker 2: That's fucking hot, damn.
Speaker 1: And I already see on the bingo card I put
Speaker 1: down that it won't launch. I didn't say that it
Speaker 1: wouldn't go according to plan. I should have worded that better.
Speaker 1: I should have left it a little more open in
Speaker 1: it so I could have got that space made. But
Speaker 1: damn it, we'll see, we'll see continuing on here. Lori Glaze,
Speaker 1: NASA's acting Associate Administrator for the Exploration System Development Mission Directorate. God, damn,
Speaker 1: that's a mouthful, said I wouldn't actually put a number
Speaker 1: on it. An incredible amount of work has gone into
Speaker 1: preparing for this test flight, by thousands of people across
Speaker 1: our integrated teams. We had extremely thorough discussions, very open, transparent.
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about our risk posture and how
Speaker 1: we're mitigating those risks. Glaze noted that the four Artemis
Speaker 1: crew members, NASA's reed wiseman Victor Glover and Christina Cooke,
Speaker 1: and Canadian Space Agency astronaut Jeremy Hanson joined the fr
Speaker 1: are virtually from their home base in Houston, Texas. Having
Speaker 1: them join us in this review really reinforce the importance
Speaker 1: of having open, honest discussions, she added, So all right,
Speaker 1: we'll see, we will see if this is actually gonna
Speaker 1: take place or not.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm I have hope, but I also
Speaker 2: I'm looking at things just for what they are. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're not I have more things pulled up here,
Speaker 1: but we are getting close to that two hour mark.
Speaker 1: So you know, we could talk about this in for
Speaker 1: a second, because I also thought this was cool as fuck.
Speaker 1: The US Navy restarts rail gun firing trials in New Mexico. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Navy has railguns, which we've known about for a while.
Speaker 1: We've talked about them before for years and years. This
Speaker 1: was seen as like some sort of a sci fi
Speaker 1: you know, technology that we don't actually have, but some
Speaker 1: scientists somewhere in dark was probably working on. No, this
Speaker 1: is for real, and the Navy is absolutely test firing
Speaker 1: them again, meaning they already knew that they existed and
Speaker 1: had them accurately test fired at one point in time.
Speaker 2: So let's read a little bit about this one here.
Speaker 1: The United States Navy resumed testing its electromagnetic railgun weapons
Speaker 1: system in February of twenty twenty five at the White
Speaker 1: Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. According to a recent
Speaker 1: review published by Naval c Systems Command, the renewed testing
Speaker 1: effort comes after the railgun program had largely been paused
Speaker 1: for several years due to budget constraints and shifting development priorities.
Speaker 1: The February trials were intended to gather technical data needed
Speaker 1: to evaluate the weapons performance under control conditions. According to
Speaker 1: the information published in the review, the testing was conducted
Speaker 1: during a three day campaign in February at the White
Speaker 1: Sands Missile Range. WSD tested a railgun to collect critical
Speaker 1: information about high velocity firing during a three day campaign
Speaker 1: at White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. Testing in
Speaker 1: February was a joint effort between WSD and NSWC dog
Speaker 1: Dahlgren in Virginia and conducted for Naval C System Command
Speaker 1: Joint Hypersonics Transition Office. That's a direct quote here. The
Speaker 1: statement indicates that the trials were carried out by WSD.
Speaker 1: I've said that a few times, working together with the
Speaker 1: Naval Surface Warfare Center. The efforts was conducted on behalf
Speaker 1: of the joint. Okay, they literally just reiterated the direct
Speaker 1: quote and then retyped it out. Holy shit, that's only
Speaker 1: hot takes here from this publication. Who is this publication?
Speaker 1: Before I say that, defenseblog dot com. Yeah, electromagnetic railguns
Speaker 1: use powerful electrical currents to create magnetic fields that accelerate
Speaker 1: solid metal projectiles to extremely high speeds. Unlike traditional artillery systems,
Speaker 1: the railgun launches projectiles without using chemical propellants.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how many of y'all have.
Speaker 1: Ever seen the videos on YouTube of how to make
Speaker 1: your own railgun at home. They're not that difficult to
Speaker 1: make and they look fun as hell. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: instead of having a fire off some sort of you know,
Speaker 1: a rocket with a propulsion system, or even a mortar
Speaker 1: that has like the explosives to send it off, think
Speaker 1: of a bullet. Think of a bullet that's able to
Speaker 1: fire with no gunpowder. That's essentially what we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: and it's it's fucking cool. I'm sorry, I think it's
Speaker 1: cool as hell. Instead, the weapon relies on electro electrical
Speaker 1: energy stored incapacitors that is released through conductive rails. When
Speaker 1: the current passes through the rails, it creates electromagnetic forces
Speaker 1: that propel the projectile toward forward at very high velocity.
Speaker 1: Because the projectile does not contained explosives, the weapon relies
Speaker 1: on kinetic energy generated by its speed to damage the target.
Speaker 1: At extreme velocities, the impact energy alone could be enough
Speaker 1: to destroy or disabled targets.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, That's why I like the Rods of God is
Speaker 1: a conversation about, like dropping these giant tungsten rods from space.
Speaker 1: The kinetic force from that alone, would they estimate do
Speaker 1: more than like a seven pounds jade am which is
Speaker 1: impressed of because the projectiles I said that.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: The railgun concept attracted attention while the US Navy during
Speaker 1: the early two thousands as a potential long range naval
Speaker 1: weapon capable of striking targets at distances far beyond conventional
Speaker 1: naval guns. Research into technology formally began in two thousand
Speaker 1: and five under the Office of Naval Research, which funded
Speaker 1: early experimental systems designed to demonstrate the feasibility of electromagnetic
Speaker 1: launch technology. Over the following years, the railgun program encountered
Speaker 1: multiple engineering and funding challenges. Clearly, it's a lot of
Speaker 1: power and that takes a lot of money. Development efforts
Speaker 1: were repeatedly paused or reduced as the Navy evaluated competing
Speaker 1: modernization priorities and technical hurdles. The Navy tested at least
Speaker 1: two railgun prototypes during the earlier phases of the program.
Speaker 1: One design was developed by BAE Systems, while another prototype
Speaker 1: was produced by General Atomics.
Speaker 2: Of course it was both systems used the same fundamental.
Speaker 1: Principle of electromagnetic launch, accelerating solid projectiles using that neetic
Speaker 1: forces generated by powerful electrical currents. The BAE system prototype
Speaker 1: served as the primary system used in early or Navy
Speaker 1: research development experiments. Testing during those two years or excuse me,
Speaker 1: testing during those years focused on measuring projectile velocity, barrel wear,
Speaker 1: and power requirements, and of course accuracy. I want to
Speaker 1: say how long this video is. If they could show
Speaker 1: us firing it, that'd be dope.
Speaker 2: Oh it's only a minute. Yeah, let's watch.
Speaker 1: This does not appear to have any sound, So for
Speaker 1: anybody who wants to see what we're talking about here,
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Speaker 1: Night and join today but this is one of the
Speaker 1: rail guns that they are test firing in New Mexico
Speaker 1: right now, which I mean, to be honest, it just
Speaker 1: looks like a really big cannon. But are think I
Speaker 1: to show it. That sucks that there's no volume in
Speaker 1: this Okay, I mean, it's not like these things are
Speaker 1: allowed when they go off either, so it's not gonna
Speaker 1: do much. But ye other see it powering up, powering up,
Speaker 1: and it's getting closer to shooting.
Speaker 2: Kayo. Shit. I actually think that probably did have some
Speaker 2: sound to it too. That sucks.
Speaker 1: This video doesn't have any, but that's still impressive. And
Speaker 1: they are back test firing these fuckers. And I've heard
Speaker 1: some say that there are some naval ships that are
Speaker 1: equipped with these railguns. I'd be lying if I told
Speaker 1: you which ones, but even still, it would have to
Speaker 1: be like a nuclear powered one. They're the only ones
Speaker 1: that I could think of that would have the energy
Speaker 1: storage capabilities to use this more than just a few shots.
Speaker 2: But it's still interesting as hell. Holy shit.
Speaker 1: One of the main technical challenges associated with railgun weapons
Speaker 1: is extreme stress placed on the launch rails during the firing.
Speaker 1: I could see that the high electrical currents and intense
Speaker 1: heat generator during each shot can rapidly wear down the
Speaker 1: system components.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, I could see that.
Speaker 1: Another challenge involves generating and managing the large amounts of
Speaker 1: electrical power required to operate the weapon. Railguns require electrical
Speaker 1: systems capable of delivering rapid bursts of energy, far beyond
Speaker 1: what conventional naval artillery requires. Of course, because of these challenges,
Speaker 1: the program experienced several pauses while engineers work to address
Speaker 1: technical issues and budget considerations. At the same time, other
Speaker 1: countries have continued pursuing their own railgun development programs. Reports
Speaker 1: indicate that both China and Japan have conducted experiments with
Speaker 1: electromagnetic launch weapons. Japan has began deploying an early railgun
Speaker 1: prototype on a naval vessel for further testing, while China
Speaker 1: has reportedly modified several ships to support trials of similar
Speaker 1: systems designed to evaluate the technology at sea.
Speaker 2: That's just so cool. That's fucking cool.
Speaker 1: This is on sacram now as a Japanese ship mounted
Speaker 1: electromagnetic railgun. Photo courtesy of the JMSDF.
Speaker 2: So yeah, y'all, we got a lot going on. We
Speaker 2: got a lot going on in this world right now.
Speaker 1: We got technology going all over the place, politics are
Speaker 1: going all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was gonna be cool to talk
Speaker 1: about these things on this episode. And you know, I
Speaker 1: guess that's as good as spot as any to wrap
Speaker 1: this up. I know there's a lot of things that
Speaker 1: I had pulled up that we didn't get to tonight,
Speaker 1: But honestly, I had enough to make this a three
Speaker 1: hour episode pretty easily, and I didn't. I don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. You know, let's keep it low key.
Speaker 1: If we don't get to it this week, we can
Speaker 1: get to it next week. If more wild shit doesn't
Speaker 1: pop off, we gotta talk about, which I'm sure it will.
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