WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:06.960 Well whiskey, come and take my pain, the money, my 2 00:00:07.120 --> 00:00:08.480 brain whiskey. 3 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.439 Why think alone when you can drink it all? In 4 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:14.919 with Ricochet's three Whiskey Happy. 5 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:18.960 Hour, join your bartenders Steve Hayward, John You and the 6 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:28.039 International Woman of Mystery Lucretia. 7 00:00:25.480 --> 00:00:28.280 Where they laps it up and David ain't you busy? 8 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.560 On the should tap got a giving well. 9 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:35.000 Happy new year everybody, and since it's a new year, 10 00:00:35.240 --> 00:00:38.079 welcome to the new and improved three Whiskey Happy Hour. 11 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:40.560 Since it is a new era with Donald Trump coming in, 12 00:00:40.679 --> 00:00:44.960 we thought we'd make some changes to our format, some modest. 13 00:00:44.560 --> 00:00:47.079 Ones, and also we're going to have our own logo. 14 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:48.920 There won't be the power Line Show anymore. 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:50.960 It's going to be just the three Whiskey Happy Hour 16 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:55.079 anchored at our political Questions substack in Ricochet and I 17 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:58.119 will be resuming the old power Line interview show, but 18 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:03.799 I'll discuss that on another podcast over there. So in 19 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:05.480 the meantime, what we're going to do is three or 20 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.719 four formats. Will continue to rotate the hosts as we've 21 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.239 always done, but we'll also do either a show where 22 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.879 we each spring one topic a week that's on our mind. 23 00:01:15.640 --> 00:01:17.760 Or as we're going to do this week, we're going 24 00:01:17.840 --> 00:01:20.040 to do most of the show about a single issue, 25 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:22.879 and today it's going to be immigration, because it's popped 26 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:24.799 up so many times in recent weeks that now we 27 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:27.040 want to try and go through it with some degree 28 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:31.480 of additional detail, and then we'll wrap up in our 29 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:35.200 usual way. But so real quickly, here a lot in 30 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:39.519 the news. I know you guys have things on your mind. Lucretia, 31 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.519 what's what's the top story on your mind this week? 32 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:45.519 Well, you just put it down at the bottom, but 33 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:47.640 it is a top story on my mind because actually 34 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:51.920 my daughter happens to live not too far from the fires, 35 00:01:52.239 --> 00:01:54.599 which you know, I don't know if you guys have 36 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:56.959 been in fires. I've been in them several times, and 37 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.159 you know that they can, in fact move quickly and 38 00:02:01.480 --> 00:02:03.599 all of that. But I really did think she was 39 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.200 way out of it, except that they've just done nothing 40 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:09.560 to contain any of the big fires. And she did 41 00:02:09.639 --> 00:02:12.879 receive I sent these guys the thing she received, the 42 00:02:12.919 --> 00:02:16.960 evacuation notice that thank god, it turns out that it 43 00:02:17.080 --> 00:02:20.680 was a mistake by the La County, so that I 44 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:24.080 bring that up because Steve wanted to kind of there's 45 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:27.639 not much to be said about the devastation and the 46 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:31.120 horrors other than the DEI business. And I think a 47 00:02:31.159 --> 00:02:34.759 little bit of we need to throw some shade at 48 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:39.319 Gavin Gruesome because what an idiot he is. And I hope, 49 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:43.240 I really hope that out of this god awful tragedy. 50 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:46.080 I am not trying to politicize it, per se. I'm 51 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:50.080 not saying this is a republican versus democratic thing, but 52 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:53.840 it is a progressive liberal thing versus a more common 53 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:57.240 sense approach to running a state and running communities. I 54 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:05.039 hope that this helps to destroy d as the principal, primary, 55 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:11.360 first order priority of government of politicians. I hope it 56 00:03:11.400 --> 00:03:13.879 does that. I am assuming all of our listeners are 57 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:17.080 perfectly well equated with that. Sorry, I'm gonna say it. 58 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:21.039 That big fat black woman, gay lesbian whatever she is 59 00:03:21.479 --> 00:03:24.159 who says she doesn't you know, sure she can't carry 60 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.360 out somebody's husband, but he shouldn't have been into the 61 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:30.199 fire in the first place. And it's just it's sickening. 62 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:34.080 These people are so arrogant and entitled. Sorry, Steve, that's 63 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:34.319 all right. 64 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:36.080 Well, I'm perfectly happy to pull the size it I 65 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:38.439 think it should be by the way, for a lot 66 00:03:38.479 --> 00:03:40.400 of listeners may not know what you're referring to about 67 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.560 the emergency evacuation warning. Lucretia and John you may not 68 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:44.199 have heard about this. 69 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.199 I don't know, but he sent it to him. I 70 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.439 did well, said well, so for listeners who didn't. 71 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.319 Los Angeles County, which is what nine million people, they 72 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:57.159 sent out a county wide evacuation notice when it was 73 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.599 only meant for a couple of specific neighborhoods, but instead 74 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:02.439 they sent it to the entire population. So you get 75 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:05.719 this emergency message that you're supposed to leave. Well, really, 76 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.120 nine million people are supposed to leave LA County. I mean, 77 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.039 it's obviously ludicrous, but it took him a while to 78 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:14.319 correct it, and clearly somebody fell down on the job. 79 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:16.560 Look, here's the thing to look for. You say you 80 00:04:16.560 --> 00:04:18.639 don't want to politicize it, or you know, that's. 81 00:04:19.800 --> 00:04:23.720 A rare, rare gesture of generosity on your partner of 82 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:24.720 creatia A Look. 83 00:04:25.319 --> 00:04:28.319 Steve, and people lost everything. So I mean, at some 84 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:29.800 point you can't be white. 85 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:31.519 Let me finish here. 86 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.680 Please imagine that this was Ron Desantus, this was happening 87 00:04:34.720 --> 00:04:37.319 to you know how it'd be playing out. And that's why, 88 00:04:37.360 --> 00:04:40.120 by the way, the contrast of the aftermath will be important. 89 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.560 Florida recovers quickly from hurricanes. They rebuilt things quickly, they're 90 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:49.199 torn down. Meanwhile, in California, my prediction, and here's the 91 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:51.319 thing to track going forward, is how long is it 92 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.439 going to take people to get permits just to demolish 93 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:57.480 their ruined homes? In Malibu the last big fire in 94 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:01.319 twenty eighteen took some people up to a to get 95 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:05.519 their demolition permit just to clear their rubble off and 96 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:07.959 then to get a building permit to replace their house. Well, 97 00:05:08.040 --> 00:05:10.720 only a quarter of the houses that were burned down 98 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.319 in twenty eighteen, so it's what seven years later now 99 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:17.000 have been rebuilt. This happened twenty years ago in Santa 100 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:19.040 Barbara when a big fire blew through. In other words, 101 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:22.439 the bureaucrats get hold of this, and I predict by 102 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:25.519 the way that Alta Dina, which you know, five thousand 103 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.040 structures are destroyed, the planners are going to want to 104 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.399 do a whole new zoning plan. They're going to want 105 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.920 to do the fifteen minute city model. And that's because 106 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:38.360 these progressives are incorrigible. That's in my mind, as big 107 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:41.959 a scandal as the incompetence of preventing a runaway fire 108 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.279 like this one is that's my marker to lay down 109 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.480 for now, and that should be politicized, because the contrast 110 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:51.920 between Florida and California and handling natural disasters is pretty 111 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:52.800 glaring and obvious. 112 00:05:52.879 --> 00:05:54.920 John, Sorry, I. 113 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:57.959 Don't think it's politicization at all to demand competent government 114 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:04.000 by the people we elected. One is Lucretia just listed 115 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.839 all the such just a scratch the surface of the 116 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.560 insanity of policy in the state. Right How we building 117 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:12.920 a high speed train in the middle of the desert, 118 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.360 and we spend a lot of money billions on homelessness 119 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.720 projects and DEI initiatives, and what's not been built in 120 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:22.879 the last ten years a single dam, single equity, and 121 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.360 there's a there's a whole plan. There is a whole 122 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:28.480 master plan about how to improve the water system in 123 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:30.680 the state to save water because it rains like hell 124 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:33.319 in the winter, and get it down to southern California. 125 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:36.680 So one the voters voted for these idiots who are 126 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:39.639 in government like Newsom, and they voted for this mayor, 127 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.120 Mayor Bass, And so I think it's in company us 128 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:46.360 to demand results. I mean, this is why the I 129 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.600 was just reading Federalist number sixty nine and seventy seventy 130 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.680 one seventy two the other day, and right, the executive 131 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:55.839 is concentrated in one person, so we know who to 132 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.839 hold accountable if they failed to exercise energy. And you're 133 00:07:00.920 --> 00:07:03.199 not seeing energy right now, So say one more point 134 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:07.600 and the offices. I think Steve's completely right. Okay, we're 135 00:07:07.639 --> 00:07:10.199 going to have whatever is necessary to stop the fire. 136 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.079 Then the real question is going to be the rebuilding. 137 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:15.839 And this is where you're going to see whether executives 138 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.639 elected by the Democratic Party are up to the job 139 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.560 or they're going to cave to environmentalists. Because there is 140 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:25.920 something California law called the Emergency Act, and under the 141 00:07:25.959 --> 00:07:30.120 Emergency Act, the governor California can waive all those permit requirements. 142 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:33.720 He could say this fire in LA which it is, 143 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:37.279 is an emergency, unprecedented emergency, and I'm going to waive 144 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:43.240 all permit requirements, all rebuilding requirements. I am going to 145 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.720 suspend judicial review, suspend the court, suspend all these laws 146 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.319 that allow any environmental group to stop any building project 147 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:53.720 in the state. Note for any reason. This is, I said, 148 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:55.519 I said, real test because remember there was a huge 149 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.920 earthquake when Governor Wilson was governor and right where Free 150 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:02.639 collapsed and the state was up and running in less 151 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:05.839 than a year. Yeah, those homes got rebuilt. I will 152 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.720 I will be amazed if Governor Newsom is willing to 153 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:14.560 declare an emergency, allow full scale rebuilding and basically say environmental, 154 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:16.120 let's go harass somebody else. 155 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:17.000 Yeah. 156 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.600 So I have two points on that, not disagreeing with 157 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.279 either one of you. The first one is is that 158 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:25.399 you know, you'd think that anybody looking at this situation 159 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.240 would look at Governor Newsom and say, what a what 160 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:30.879 a moron he is? We know that part of the 161 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:32.919 that that it's not even that they need to build 162 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:37.840 new reservoirs. The Pacific Palisades Reservoir was empty. Why because 163 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.279 of the as everybody knows that stupid fish. Nobody, but 164 00:08:41.320 --> 00:08:44.240 I mean, he's part of that. The interesting thing, though, 165 00:08:44.320 --> 00:08:47.919 is that Governor Newsom's own wineries are doing quite well. 166 00:08:48.600 --> 00:08:52.159 Water runs to his wineries, you know, So at what 167 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:55.039 point are people going to figure out that. The reason 168 00:08:55.080 --> 00:08:57.440 I say this I saw on Twitter some guys said, oh, 169 00:08:57.480 --> 00:08:59.960 I feel so bad for Governor Newsom. He only makes 170 00:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.039 two hundred and forty six thousand dollars. ZERI to just quit. 171 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:04.240 Well, you know he's. 172 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.200 The Getty family. The fire's about to burn down the 173 00:09:09.240 --> 00:09:12.279 Getty Museum and the Getty Villa. Then we'll see the people. 174 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.399 Uh, that's probably enough to say about it now, Steve. 175 00:09:18.519 --> 00:09:22.720 It's it's you know what it tried to Oh, I 176 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:24.519 know what it was, Steve. Real quick point I have 177 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:30.960 for you or question the traffic congestion that happened as 178 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:33.679 a result of people trying to get out on Pacific 179 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.399 Coast Highway. You and I have been on Pacific Coast 180 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:40.559 Highway in horrible traffic on more than one occasion, and 181 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.159 I can't even imagine how awful that must have been 182 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:45.799 to watch, to be on PCH and watch, you know, 183 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:48.600 the Embers flying at one hundred miles down. Do you 184 00:09:48.679 --> 00:09:50.320 think they'll do anything about that? 185 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:54.120 Well, actually, the real jam up wasn't on pH as 186 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.759 much as it was on Sunset Boulevard and Te Mescal Canyon. 187 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.799 Those are the only two major arteries out of Pacific Ulisades. 188 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.000 Yeah, I know both those roads real well. I used 189 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:05.600 to well a million years ago, used to haul mail 190 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.000 to the post office a Pacific Palisades. So I know 191 00:10:08.080 --> 00:10:10.120 that downtown that now no longer exists. 192 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:12.039 Uh, And so. 193 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:14.039 That was the problem, is too many people trying to 194 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:15.679 get out and abandoning their cars. 195 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.759 It's just a you know, complete catastrophe. Yeah, you know, I. 196 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:22.679 Just was a question for you. 197 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.000 Well, but I mean again, one of the things I'm 198 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:27.799 going to watch is whether the California Coastal Commission behaves 199 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:30.600 as it usually does. I mean, of all those houses 200 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:32.440 along the water that burn down, which is a lot 201 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:33.639 of them, it's really staggering. 202 00:10:34.480 --> 00:10:35.440 But let's shift gears. 203 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.120 John, I wake up in the morning and see you 204 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.480 and your co author, John, is it a Della Hunty 205 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:46.720 Robert Delahunty saying the Monroe Doctrine is back baby in Panama? 206 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:55.000 What I was shocked at Panama, John, You is Teddy Roosevelt. 207 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:55.440 I mean. 208 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:00.000 I lost track of the Panama Canal stuff I had forgot, 209 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:02.519 and that we had passed reservations. I think partly at 210 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.200 Ronald Reagan's instigation when he opposed the treaty in the 211 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:09.759 seventies reserving the right to secure the neutrality of the 212 00:11:09.799 --> 00:11:11.240 canal in time of conflict. 213 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.720 Or other conditions. And then also certain provisions expired in 214 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.120 the year two thousand, you said, I lost track of 215 00:11:17.159 --> 00:11:21.240 that anyway, But bring our listeners up to date quickly. 216 00:11:21.759 --> 00:11:26.159 Well, everybody knows Donald Trump has been talking about taking 217 00:11:26.200 --> 00:11:31.440 the canal back. He's been talking about well, he's not 218 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:35.440 ruling out invading Greenland. He's been talking about making Canada 219 00:11:35.519 --> 00:11:37.600 the fifty first state, which I would be against. 220 00:11:38.240 --> 00:11:39.399 Yeah, But. 221 00:11:40.840 --> 00:11:42.840 I was trying to figure out what explains all this, 222 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:47.240 and what explains it is Trump is reinvigorating the Monroe doctrine. 223 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:51.039 And actually we have been asleep at the wheel for 224 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:54.639 twenty years at least while the Chinese have expanded their influence. 225 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.120 And one thing I didn't know until I started looking 226 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.840 into this Panama Canal issue is that our military has 227 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.360 been complaining about what the Chinese are up to do 228 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.879 up to in the Panama Canal zone. So, as I 229 00:12:05.960 --> 00:12:09.039 understand it, the ports at either end of the canal 230 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:12.879 are run by Chinese companies, and as we know, the 231 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:15.240 Chinese as we saw, I don't know if we're talking 232 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.600 about it. We saw the oral arguments yesterday in the 233 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.399 Supreme Court about TikTok. The Chinese government is very happy 234 00:12:21.399 --> 00:12:24.360 to use Chinese companies to achieve their national security ends. 235 00:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.360 The people like Lucretia and her buddies call this hybrid threats, 236 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:32.120 where these Chinese companies are both civilian but also have 237 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:37.919 a ulterior military rule too. And so I think Trump's 238 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.039 perfectly within his rights to say the United States has 239 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.080 every right to return to the canal zone and take 240 00:12:43.080 --> 00:12:47.720 it back if the Panamanians don't secure the neutrality of 241 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.960 the zone, and if there's two Chinese companies controlling the 242 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.279 ports at either end, that doesn't sound to me like 243 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:56.960 neutral Greenland. This is another thing. I think Greenland's also 244 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.159 really interesting. People probably don't realize this, but in at 245 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.840 the beginning of World War two, Franklin Roosevelt basically invaded 246 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:09.039 Greenland because you may remember, right the Danish were actually 247 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:13.120 sympathetic to the Nazis, and if you look at the map, 248 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.639 Greenland is how you control the roots between here and 249 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.399 Great Britain. So Roosevelt just sent something like twenty thousand 250 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:25.360 troops to Greenland. And so whether we say we possess 251 00:13:25.399 --> 00:13:27.399 it or whether we buy it or not, I think 252 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.240 it's inevitable where we're gonna have to have some large 253 00:13:29.240 --> 00:13:31.240 bases we already have. I think there's a major space 254 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.279 force base there. I think we're gonna have to have 255 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.200 more bases there now. The Greenlander I don't even know 256 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.559 what they call them. We call them Greenlanders or Greenees 257 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:41.879 or Landers or whatever, and I don't know what you 258 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.960 know out of the Danes. I barely can locate Denmark 259 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:47.799 on the map. It's such an inconsequential country right now. 260 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:51.279 They can't defend Greenland sooner or later. Again, this is 261 00:13:51.320 --> 00:13:53.559 part of the Monroe doctrine. We have to control the 262 00:13:53.559 --> 00:13:57.000 Western hemisphere. If you look at the map, Greenland is enormous, 263 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:59.559 enormous body in the or hemisphere. 264 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.200 There's more than that, John, My sense of it is 265 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:06.360 is that Denmark is sort of sits on any any 266 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:09.840 movement by anybody in Greenland to say go for the wraw, 267 00:14:10.159 --> 00:14:13.080 the rarer earth minerals or they yeah. 268 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:13.159 You know. 269 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:17.240 So that's one of the reasons why the Greenlanders, I 270 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:19.840 think is what you call them, have been so welcoming, 271 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:23.080 excuse me, have been so welcoming at least to Donald 272 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:25.879 Trump Junior when they came the other day. You know, 273 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:29.279 they're they're actually excited at the prospect of the opening 274 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:33.519 up that would happen if they got out underneath Denmark's thumb. 275 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.000 There's only fifty thousand people live there. 276 00:14:36.360 --> 00:14:41.039 Yeah, well back, why do they get to decide how 277 00:14:41.120 --> 00:14:43.759 that how that land mass is used for the you know, 278 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:45.919 And this is the funny thing. People are like, oh boy, 279 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:49.720 you know, you know, we're talking about attacking another NATO country. 280 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:52.399 NATO should be happy we do this, if we go 281 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.200 over and establish who spaces in Greenland. 282 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:55.200 It's because we want. 283 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:58.080 To protect Europe. Yeah, the whole point of it is 284 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:01.639 to support NATO and also the Arctic Circle. This is 285 00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:04.279 the thing. I'm all for global warming here. That means 286 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:10.320 Greenland might actually become grown. As it does. Greenland is 287 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.799 a mess right in the middle of the Arctic Circle 288 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.120 where China and Russia are gonna, you know, try to 289 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:18.039 infringe on our control of the Western hemisphere. Now that 290 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:20.000 that puts aside all the fighting we have in the 291 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:23.960 Party about how interventions we should be in Asia and Ukraine, 292 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.440 I think all of us agree that the United States 293 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:29.600 cannot have any competitors in North and South America. 294 00:15:30.320 --> 00:15:30.600 Yeah. 295 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.799 Well, I don't know all of us, but most of 296 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.519 us smart people do. I just two quick Ones, Steve 297 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.320 One is there was a joke going around. John won't 298 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:41.279 remember this because he would have been too young, but 299 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:47.960 you might a joke going around that Teddy Roosevelt goes 300 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:51.200 to visit Jimmy Carter. Oh, the ghost of Teddy Roosevelt. 301 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:53.399 And I'm not going to remember. I'm going to have 302 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:55.240 to make up some of the middle parts just to 303 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.120 get to the punchline. But he's asking Jimmy Carter why 304 00:15:58.200 --> 00:16:01.000 Jimmy Carter has done so many stupid things things basically, 305 00:16:01.879 --> 00:16:05.279 you know, why have why have the Russians invaded Afghanistan? 306 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.120 You know, just you know, the Soviets, on and on 307 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.840 and on, and Jimmy Carter tries to explain, he tries to, 308 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.240 you know, give us whatever, and finally the joke ends. 309 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:17.159 Something on the next thing, you're going to tell me, 310 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:19.360 You're you're going to give away the Panama Canal. 311 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:27.720 You remember that, ill, It's probably better told when it's told accurately. 312 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:30.080 But my second question for you guys is, while I 313 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.279 don't disagree with anything, I thought that was a great article, 314 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:34.799 by the way, and I have heard Laura Richardson in 315 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.360 person at a thing I was at talk about Panama 316 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:40.600 just the way you described it, John, just so you know, 317 00:16:40.919 --> 00:16:45.679 General Richardson anyway. My second question though, is how much 318 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:50.159 of this is designed right now, because he has not 319 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.440 taken office yet, as a kind of distraction, you know, 320 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.320 the the laser pointer for the cat, just to kind 321 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:01.559 of not allow any one of the many issues he's 322 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:05.240 got to move forward on, including his appointees, to become 323 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:10.599 central in the national media narrative. I mean, he could 324 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:14.519 have waited to talk about Greenland or Panama, or even 325 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:19.440 Canada for that matter until he got into office, and 326 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.599 he had to know that some of these things would 327 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.519 be highly controversial and get people all spun up. So 328 00:17:24.559 --> 00:17:27.079 I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on that, Yeah. 329 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:28.039 John or me? I think you asked you. 330 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:31.200 Yeah, but I can try it and then get us 331 00:17:31.240 --> 00:17:32.559 out with just one quick observation. 332 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:32.839 Yeah. 333 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:36.680 I mean, I think it's perfectly obvious that Trump floods 334 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.920 the zone, so to speak. And the amazing thing to 335 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:42.359 me is that his opposition has still not figured this 336 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.359 out or figured out some disciplined way to respond to it. Instead, 337 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.200 they bite for everything he throws out there, and some 338 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:50.240 of these things, it looks like he's serious about. I mean, 339 00:17:50.279 --> 00:17:53.079 Reuter's is reporting here over the weekend that the I 340 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:55.400 guess it's the Prime Minister of Greenland, whoever their chief 341 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.839 executive is, with their sort of semi dominion status under Denmark, 342 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:01.519 wants to talk to Trump. So this is all sounding 343 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:04.359 kind of interesting. And the final thing I'll say, though, 344 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.799 back to your the fundamental point John, on the Monroe 345 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:11.480 doctrine is, let's not just only mention China a little 346 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.480 factoid many people don't know. Lucretia probably does, maybe you 347 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:17.279 do too. There have been for many years now, I think, 348 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.160 going back to maybe fifteen years ago, a direct flight 349 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:26.000 every week from Tehran to Caracas, Venezuela. 350 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.039 What's that about? 351 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:27.480 That is? 352 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:30.400 It's not about that, It's not about oil and oil trading. 353 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:32.400 That is about a lot of other bad stuff. 354 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:35.119 And I think we can speculate what that is pretty easily. 355 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.359 So there's lots of reasons to reinvigorate the Monroe doctrine 356 00:18:38.359 --> 00:18:42.599 besides just China. So with that, let's take a quick 357 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:44.559 ad break for one of our sponsors, and then we'll 358 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:46.720 be back and get to our main subject. 359 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:52.880 Don't go away, everybody, all right, Over the last couple 360 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:53.920 of episodes. 361 00:18:54.200 --> 00:18:58.720 We talked briefly about immigration, and you know it's this 362 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.799 is going to be, you know, the first issue, one 363 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:03.759 of the first issues Trump tangles with on his first 364 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:04.720 day in office. 365 00:19:05.039 --> 00:19:07.359 John, I think we have to have a fight with 366 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:08.640 you about some of this. 367 00:19:08.880 --> 00:19:13.279 I think you have correct my summary. I'm sure maybe 368 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:15.359 it's too crude, but maybe not that you still I 369 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:19.680 think have the old fashioned pro immigration view. So I'm 370 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:21.599 gonna let you start. We're gonna do this, by the way, listeners, 371 00:19:21.599 --> 00:19:23.240 in three parts. We're gonna talk from the general to 372 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:25.880 the specific. We're gonna start generally about how should we 373 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.000 think about immigration these days? Let me put the question 374 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:30.200 to you in that neutral fashion, John, and let you 375 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:31.200 go first. 376 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:34.599 Well, you're not arguing with me, you're arguing with America, 377 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:39.559 and the both of you have already exercised. You've already tried, 378 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:42.079 even though I've convinced you that you were wrong, that 379 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:44.680 you could succede, because you've succeeded from the power Line 380 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:50.759 blog and created this new independent podcast through the secession, 381 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:54.319 which I don't think exists either. So I think this 382 00:19:54.400 --> 00:19:57.759 is I'd like to think the debate between us is 383 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:01.200 a question of degree and not principle. I think I 384 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:04.079 don't think maybe you guys think this. I don't think 385 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:07.200 you guys would say there should be no immigration, and 386 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:11.119 I don't think there should be open borders and unlimited immigration. Okay, 387 00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:15.119 the question is really because our I mean, it's a 388 00:20:15.319 --> 00:20:16.920 I don't mean it to be, you know, just a 389 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:20.440 simple motto. But our country is country of immigrants. Everybody 390 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:25.279 here was it either is or descended from immigration, and 391 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:28.319 so the question is really just how much immigration we 392 00:20:28.359 --> 00:20:31.400 should have? I mean, I think that's the real question. 393 00:20:31.799 --> 00:20:34.440 I think right now, if I remember correctly, we have 394 00:20:34.559 --> 00:20:39.599 about one million. We make about one million new citizens 395 00:20:39.640 --> 00:20:43.119 a year. We have about the estimates are we have 396 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:48.960 anywhere from eight to twenty million illegal aliens in the country, 397 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:51.559 although I don't know if that takes into account the 398 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:54.160 Biden years, where you know, we're getting up to over 399 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:58.519 two million illegal aliens a year under Biden. So the 400 00:20:58.599 --> 00:21:02.279 question to me is, right, we have to control the border. 401 00:21:02.359 --> 00:21:05.519