Speaker 1: Fires going down and I'm just kind of scanning this
Speaker 1: tree line.
Speaker 2: This thing's maybe sixty to eighty yards away. It's standing
Speaker 2: in place.
Speaker 1: I got the impressions looking back at me, waiting for
Speaker 1: me to turn away. We did like standoff where like
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, I'm like, I am not handling
Speaker 1: this like I should. I'm having like a panic attack
Speaker 1: at the time. It was the most terrified I've ever
Speaker 1: been in my life. I think it was a couple
Speaker 1: of minutes. I didn't even want to take my eye
Speaker 1: off it because I felt like if I took my
Speaker 1: THRMB down it was going to like run toward me
Speaker 1: or just something completely irrational, you know, when you're scared
Speaker 1: like that. The thing was is it's navigating and pitch black,
Speaker 1: and that was very intimidating to me. And then we
Speaker 1: can hear it going crunch crunch crunch walking adjacent to
Speaker 1: Camp one. I could not believe that these things actually exist,
Speaker 1: that they're actually out there, and that I actually saw one.
Speaker 2: It was just mind blowing.
Speaker 3: This is Bigfoot cross Roads. My name's Matt and I'd
Speaker 3: like to welcome to the podcast, mister Jonathan Easley Man.
Speaker 3: This is long overdue. We were kind of talking about that.
Speaker 3: Nice to have you on, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no. When I first got into this subject,
Speaker 1: there were like a small handful of like podcasts that
Speaker 1: I started listening to, and I think yours and Jeff
Speaker 1: Kelly's what was that Squatcher's Lunge podcast was around, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there were a couple other ones, but I mean,
Speaker 1: everything's fallen to the wayside, and you know, after all
Speaker 1: these years, you know, yours is one of the ones
Speaker 1: that's left standing. And you know, I'm glad for that
Speaker 1: because it's such a good podcast. You've had so many
Speaker 1: great guests over the years, and I've learned a lot
Speaker 1: from it.
Speaker 2: So I'm looking I'm glad to be on it myself now.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I appreciate all the kind words, and I like
Speaker 3: to talk to people, especially like you, who are passionate
Speaker 3: about the subject and out there doing a lot of
Speaker 3: the work to try and learn some of the answers.
Speaker 3: What got you started in Bigfoot to begin with?
Speaker 1: Oh, Man, Well, I mean as a kid, I've always
Speaker 1: been a little odd in the sense that, you know,
Speaker 1: I was always reading like these monster books as a kid,
Speaker 1: and you know, being like nine years old and you.
Speaker 2: Know, into X Files. That was my favorite show growing up.
Speaker 1: But you know, you grow up and all that stuff
Speaker 1: kind of fades away and it became just a show.
Speaker 2: And you still have these like interests.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't presume you have a life to live, right,
Speaker 1: but then you know, you start figuring out that maybe
Speaker 1: some of these things aren't as a aren't as.
Speaker 2: Crazy as you like.
Speaker 1: For example, I started doing a lot of hiking and
Speaker 1: backpacking and that kind of got my interest in Bigfoot
Speaker 1: back again. So there was a time in Sequoia I
Speaker 1: had thought I saw something out of the corner of
Speaker 1: my eye. I don't tell people, oh I had a sighting,
Speaker 1: but I felt like I had a sighting. It happened
Speaker 1: so fast out of the corner of my eye, looked
Speaker 1: like something walking. And that kind of got me thinking again, like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this thinking be real, and I just
Speaker 1: went down the you know, you go down the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: wormhole online trying to figure out like, oh, do other
Speaker 1: people see it in this area? Do other people hear things?
Speaker 1: And have people recorded things? You start figuring all this
Speaker 1: stuff out, and you just kind of start weeding out
Speaker 1: what you think is real as opposed to what you
Speaker 1: think is fake, and you know, you end up with
Speaker 1: this little tiny set of data that like I was,
Speaker 1: for example, going to Sequoia whenever I could, based on
Speaker 1: the reports that I saw from there, and.
Speaker 2: You know, I heard a few strange things there.
Speaker 1: I followed a lot of I went to the place
Speaker 1: of a lot of where these reports happened, you know,
Speaker 1: things that I picked up off the bf RO. I
Speaker 1: had spoken to law enforcement ranger that had some really
Speaker 1: get some pretty good looking footprints, but he could not
Speaker 1: he didn't have it in him to share him with me.
Speaker 1: I tried to get him to send me the pictures.
Speaker 1: But you know, so started off from just you know,
Speaker 1: common interest to slowly realizing, oh my gosh, you know what,
Speaker 1: there's something to this. They're scientists and primatologists and very
Speaker 1: intelligent people pursuing this, and I just got sucked into it,
Speaker 1: just like everybody else. And now here I am spending
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars going on these trips, lots some money
Speaker 1: on like camera equipment because you know, for my for
Speaker 1: my YouTube channel, Western Bigfoot Exploration.
Speaker 3: Let's back up to us to the part where you
Speaker 3: saw something out of the corner whenever it comes to
Speaker 3: bigfoot researchers, integrity is everything, and if you are even
Speaker 3: remotely embellishing things or putting things out there as factual
Speaker 3: that can possibly be argued against, it's curtains for your career.
Speaker 3: Nobody wants to have anything to do with it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of encounters that take place where the
Speaker 3: people are fairly certain that it was a bigfoot. They
Speaker 3: believe it was a bigfoot, but they can't put it
Speaker 3: out there's a bigfoot sighting because they can't prove it
Speaker 3: and they can't verify that that's exactly what it was.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: No, you're right about that.
Speaker 3: So this sounds like one of those incidents. So let's
Speaker 3: just get rid of the researcher category right now and
Speaker 3: just say, like, okay, it was a bigfoot. So what happened?
Speaker 1: Okay, So I was in a place called Redwood Canyon
Speaker 1: and Sequoia Nationally it's actually right where Sequoia in King's
Speaker 1: Canyon National Park border each other. And there's a place
Speaker 1: you drive a couple of miles down a road and
Speaker 1: it's called Redwood Canyon, and it's the largest Sequoia grove
Speaker 1: in the world, at least I believe in North America,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of really cool. It's like when you
Speaker 1: walk through this grove, it's like, honey, I shrunk the
Speaker 1: hikers because the boulders are the sizes of houses. There's
Speaker 1: a mixture of redwoods and sequoias. So you're walking and
Speaker 1: after a while it messes with you. You lose perspective of
Speaker 1: how big or small things are. And I've never experienced
Speaker 1: that in my life. Like you're walking and you're just
Speaker 1: kind of like disoriented. These trees are huge anyway. So
Speaker 1: I'm walking and as I just came across around a
Speaker 1: bend going down on my right side, there's a creek,
Speaker 1: very small creek, and as I turned the corner, it
Speaker 1: looked like down in the creek, this is about maybe
Speaker 1: one hundred feet below me, it looked like if something
Speaker 1: took two steps and cleared a branch with its arm,
Speaker 1: and by the time I looked, I saw the movement
Speaker 1: of the branch and that was pretty much it.
Speaker 2: I told my friends, They said, dude, that was weird.
Speaker 2: I go with somes down there.
Speaker 1: And it happened so fast in such a you know,
Speaker 1: and just a split second that your mind is still
Speaker 1: catching up to what happened yeah, And I was.
Speaker 2: Like, that looked really weird. It looked like a guy.
Speaker 1: And I remember my first thought was like I remember,
Speaker 1: I think it was Backdraft or some some firefighting movie
Speaker 1: where they was sometimes occasionally like firefighters wore black suits,
Speaker 1: you know, they were like a yeah.
Speaker 2: And so it hit me as is there a guy?
Speaker 1: Is there guy from the fire department?
Speaker 2: Like down there clearing order?
Speaker 1: Are they doing like a control burn or something like that.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought, like within three seconds, like it
Speaker 2: looked really weird.
Speaker 1: And as it walked off, you know, it disappeared into
Speaker 1: some bushes very quickly. I mean I saw this corner
Speaker 1: of the eye split second.
Speaker 2: Told the friend we walked down.
Speaker 1: There, and the branch that was moving that was in
Speaker 1: question that I said, kind of looked like an arm
Speaker 1: coming up to move it out of the way. It
Speaker 1: was pretty tall, it was about in my head height.
Speaker 1: Now I started going, well, it happened so fast. It
Speaker 1: could have been something else. What if I saw something wrong?
Speaker 1: What if it was just the upper half that I saw?
Speaker 1: And you know, this question just kept swirling around in
Speaker 1: my mind. So, like I said, it happened really fast.
Speaker 1: It's not something that I talked to a lot of
Speaker 1: people about because I myself have questions about what I saw.
Speaker 1: It happened so quickly. Of course, a few years later,
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, you know, I did get to see I
Speaker 1: did see them through a thermal imager up in the
Speaker 1: Sierras Northern Sierras and Plumus National Forest, and any doubts
Speaker 1: that I had about the existence of bigfoot or answer
Speaker 1: that day, but as far as that first little glimpse
Speaker 1: of a siding, that kind of got me just going
Speaker 1: down this wormhole and till this day. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think I saw what I saw, but not absolutely certain.
Speaker 3: Is this an area that historically has other bigfoot sightings?
Speaker 1: No? Absolutely, And one of the things is I've gone
Speaker 1: I had gone back there, and I went back there
Speaker 1: a handful of times, and one of the times I
Speaker 1: did hear what I thought was a vocalization. It was
Speaker 1: very quickly, but it was something that responded to two
Speaker 1: whoops I did, and it it just sounded too strange
Speaker 1: and the fact that it like almost mimicked what I
Speaker 1: did was very odd. Aside from that, yeah, this area
Speaker 1: was I guess what a befo we're talking about?
Speaker 2: With a researcher terms, and the using the researcher words.
Speaker 1: It'd be a hot spot because there's a number of
Speaker 1: BFRORO reports further up the mountain there, and there's almost
Speaker 1: this string that I kind of put together. I'm a
Speaker 1: guy that like sits down and likes to look at
Speaker 1: reports and look at maps, and I like to look
Speaker 1: at to see if there's any correlations within these sidings.
Speaker 1: For example, you know, maybe there's a creek that runs
Speaker 1: all along this place with the string of sidings. And
Speaker 1: what I kind of found is that this there's this
Speaker 1: kind of canyon from a place called Hume Lake that
Speaker 1: goes all the way up to kind of like a
Speaker 1: Zalea campground, and then it goes into breaks into redwood canyons.
Speaker 1: So there is this kind of corridor that you can
Speaker 1: piece together on a map. Now, within that area, there's
Speaker 1: at least five or six reports that I've that I've
Speaker 1: heard of, some.
Speaker 2: Of them being VFROO.
Speaker 1: A couple of them were people that I spoke to,
Speaker 1: including I mentioned a little earlier a law enforcement ranger.
Speaker 1: There was a there's a Christian camp called Heartland Christian Camp,
Speaker 1: and I was talking to a law enforcement ranger up
Speaker 1: the top of this Redwood canyon, and I started just
Speaker 1: talking about Bigfoot, and he's kind of sitting there in
Speaker 1: his truck, smiling, you know, nodding, and you know, I'm
Speaker 1: just I always when I talked about when I talk
Speaker 1: about bigfoot to like law enforcement or rangers, I try
Speaker 1: to come off as like, this really sane, middle of
Speaker 1: the line person, you know, because if you go to
Speaker 1: one extreme, you're like, you know, you can see them
Speaker 1: crazy very quickly to somebody.
Speaker 2: So I always try to ease into it.
Speaker 1: And I kind of see him leaning back in the
Speaker 1: seat listening to me, and I'm just asking, you know,
Speaker 1: you ever see anything strange? And he pulls out his
Speaker 1: phone and he goes, let me see if I can
Speaker 1: find these, and he scrolls back, scrolls back, and he
Speaker 1: pulls up these pictures of a trackway and he says,
Speaker 1: apparently everybody woke up at this Christian camp and some
Speaker 1: people noticed some footprints.
Speaker 2: And they were going, oh, look, it's big foot footprints.
Speaker 1: And somehow the kids told the adults, and the adults
Speaker 1: were kind of like, you know, perplexed by it. Going home,
Speaker 1: who walked through here? This is kind of funny isn't it.
Speaker 1: The prints are kind of big, aren't they. And I
Speaker 1: guess when a law enforcement ranger passed by, they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you want to see something strange that we
Speaker 1: think is a little bit weird. And they took him
Speaker 1: up here and he took pictures of it, and they
Speaker 1: all kind of stood around scratching their heads.
Speaker 2: And that was the end of that story. But he's
Speaker 2: showing me these pictures and I'm like, dude, can you
Speaker 2: can you you think you can get these to me?
Speaker 1: Like I won't see your name, I won't. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: I just can't have any involvement in this, And like
Speaker 1: before we go like government conspiracy or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I honestly think that this guy just did not, like
Speaker 1: legitimately want to get involved in anything weird. And you
Speaker 1: know stories of you know, someone in his profession telling this,
Speaker 1: you know can get back to him to give me
Speaker 1: a trace back to him. I just think he didn't
Speaker 1: want anything to do with it.
Speaker 2: But that was a weird story.
Speaker 1: It's also another weird story from a couple of volunteer
Speaker 1: rangers that came by to check on my campsite at night.
Speaker 1: I was here there with a couple of friends just camping,
Speaker 1: not doing a whole bigfoot thing. But when they came by,
Speaker 1: I always kind of like I said, ease my way into,
Speaker 1: you know, making sure the subject kind of meanders toward.
Speaker 1: The bigfoot thing.
Speaker 3: Just happened to come up. What do you know, all
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: All the time, and because and I do it, because sometimes,
Speaker 1: you know, you do this twenty times, you might get
Speaker 1: one person that goes, well, yeah, I got a story
Speaker 1: for you. They'll take you something real interesting. And these
Speaker 1: two girls, volunteer girls, were telling me about how a
Speaker 1: ranger a few months earlier, and this is right around
Speaker 1: a place called Jenny Lake's Jenny Lake. I guess she
Speaker 1: was walking up there and she saw something get up
Speaker 1: on two feet and very fat, very quickly ran up
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain. And she got back and
Speaker 1: was like, you know, guys, you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what I just saw. And I guess she made some
Speaker 1: sort of report about it. And she was out there
Speaker 1: servying wildlife. And when she made this report, I guess
Speaker 1: one of her superiors had told her this is a
Speaker 1: story coming from the volunteers. By the way, one of
Speaker 1: the superiors had told her, you know, what unless you're
Speaker 1: wearing you know, I'm sorry, while you're wearing your uniform
Speaker 1: and you have that NPS badge on, We're only going
Speaker 1: to talk about National Park Service stuff, you know, bears
Speaker 1: and all the educational things that are in our curriculum,
Speaker 1: you know, not side stories about anything strange. So he
Speaker 1: wasn't like denying that she saw something or anything, just saying, hey, look,
Speaker 1: you know, as an employee of the for Service, you
Speaker 1: got to keep it straight, which is something that a
Speaker 1: friend of mine, Robert Leiterman, has also experienced in his career,
Speaker 1: where you know, it's not this big shadow government trying
Speaker 1: to come down and suppress Bigfoot. It was just a
Speaker 1: superior going, hey, buddy, you got to keep it in line.
Speaker 1: You know, that's not what we teach, so, you know,
Speaker 1: And that was right around this same particular area.
Speaker 3: When did you first jump into the idea of like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go out there and specifically investigate bigfoot
Speaker 3: with like a group of people they're commonly known as
Speaker 3: Bigfoot audience. What was your first experience like with that.
Speaker 1: Oh, you got to be cool and use the term
Speaker 1: expedition in caids what they all call them.
Speaker 3: Your first official expedition where you're going to actually become
Speaker 3: a Bigfoot researcher.
Speaker 2: No, you're right.
Speaker 1: So twenty fifteen, it was spring and I had been,
Speaker 1: you know, just chatting online like we all do, and
Speaker 1: there were all these Facebook pages where people post their
Speaker 1: blurry pictures and paradolia and stuff like that. Every once
Speaker 1: in a while you'd get a great post where you'd
Speaker 1: get somebody, you know, tossing an invite out. And one
Speaker 1: of the people that I came across was a guy
Speaker 1: named Jeff Kelly, you probably remember him, and so he
Speaker 1: had the Squatcher's Lounge podcast and I started kind of
Speaker 1: chit chatting with them, and over the course of time
Speaker 1: we talked a lot, and he was like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all meeting up in the Sierras, and you know,
Speaker 1: this is around the area of the whole justin SMA.
Speaker 1: Supposed to kill site, as I supposed. People are real
Speaker 1: back and forth about it, you know.
Speaker 2: Anyway, it was an incident that happened up there.
Speaker 1: A couple of years later, you know, Barcatino, a guy
Speaker 1: films a couple on a thermal imager and this was
Speaker 1: very very interesting to me, and I had picked apart
Speaker 1: the story online, like trying to just find any holes
Speaker 1: in the stories and details. And you know, I finally
Speaker 1: got an invite to go up there and you know,
Speaker 1: camp with these guys. So I took it and I
Speaker 1: went up there. And mind you, at this point, I
Speaker 1: had been backpacking and hiking for years.
Speaker 2: I knew the sounds of the outdoors.
Speaker 1: I had never been really like confused by anything I've
Speaker 1: ever heard in the outdoors. I can recognize all animal sounds,
Speaker 1: and I heard strange things up there and saw what
Speaker 1: look like a trackway going through camp one day when
Speaker 1: we came back, and it was that final night where
Speaker 1: you know, I was holding a therm.
Speaker 2: I had never held a thermal imager, and you know,
Speaker 2: I happened to just see one of.
Speaker 1: These things at like two thirty in the morning. My
Speaker 1: intention was to go up there and maybe I'll get
Speaker 1: to like hear something strange, right, And it was one
Speaker 1: of the most active weekends I've had since I've been
Speaker 1: doing this. So after that, I was just completely glued.
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to tell this story, and there's there's other stories,
Speaker 1: and so that's when I decided, you know what, I
Speaker 1: should make a YouTube channel. I've always wanted to make
Speaker 1: kind of cinematic documentaries, but I was just glued. Man.
Speaker 2: After that, It's like, these things are out there.
Speaker 1: They're absolutely out there. They leave trackways, they make sounds,
Speaker 1: and if you're good enough, you can record them. So
Speaker 1: it was after that that I just like, yeah, just
Speaker 1: full on the side, like this is what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: I limited my backpacking and my regular you know camping,
Speaker 1: you know, I choose to go to places like the
Speaker 1: Freeman Site to see what happened there.
Speaker 2: I wanted to investigate some of the biggest.
Speaker 1: Stories in Bigfoot, you know, because yeah, it's just a
Speaker 1: really cool subject.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that was after twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 3: That's just crazy to think about your first official foray
Speaker 3: into this thing. You're going to one of the most
Speaker 3: famous locations there is in the history of bigfoot, and
Speaker 3: at that time it was at its like peak excitement,
Speaker 3: you know, because everybody was talking about it. You know,
Speaker 3: it was kind of kept a little secret. You know,
Speaker 3: you had to be part of the in crowd to
Speaker 3: know where it was even at, and then you go
Speaker 3: there and experience stuff that must have been mind blowing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was also it was also like almost like
Speaker 1: a I don't want to say a letdown, but something
Speaker 1: like that, because it's like you go out there in
Speaker 1: your first time hanging out with these people in this
Speaker 1: awesome location, and that happens, and it has it.
Speaker 2: Has not happened since.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yude, I thought i'd have like three or four
Speaker 1: sightings under my belt. I thought this happened a lot more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and no, it's like most most, like ninety percent of
Speaker 1: the time, you're not hearing or seeing anything, you know.
Speaker 2: So I guess I could say, like I wish that
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 1: Go back in time equipped like I am today with
Speaker 1: today's mentality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and maybe I would have been able
Speaker 2: to document it.
Speaker 1: And you know, of course, twenty fifteen it was very
Speaker 1: hard to get like a thermal imaguer with record capability
Speaker 1: that wasn't you know, two.
Speaker 2: Thousand, five hundred dollars or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right nowhere, nearly accessible as they are today to the
Speaker 3: common consumer.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what did you see? What was it?
Speaker 1: Like? Well, it was we had been up there for
Speaker 1: three days and I heard some very strange noises, Like
Speaker 1: I said that I around my camp, I'm on my tent,
Speaker 1: at night.
Speaker 2: The first night.
Speaker 1: Second night, I heard like this big old power knock,
Speaker 1: and it was the third night. The campfire had just slowly,
Speaker 1: slowly died out, like I was the last person up.
Speaker 1: The last person had just said good night. He had
Speaker 1: justin right next to the fire in his cot. He
Speaker 1: sleeps with no tents, right there in his cot, in
Speaker 1: his sleeping bag. Fire's going down, and I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of scanning this tree line. And you know, with a
Speaker 1: thermal imager, you see something, and to the untrained eye,
Speaker 1: everything can look like something else. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: you're looking at heat signatures through the trees. Some of
Speaker 1: them look like people, some of them look like an animal,
Speaker 1: and you got to take a moment to sit there
Speaker 1: and really distinguish what you're looking at. So I was
Speaker 1: panning and I said, oh, my gosh, that looks almost
Speaker 1: like a guy standing up there. And I swear I
Speaker 1: almost started panning again. And then I noticed like a
Speaker 1: little almost like a shoulder shrug, and this thing's maybe,
Speaker 1: I want to say, i'd have to go back to
Speaker 1: the site because it's been a long time, but my
Speaker 1: guess is sixty sixty to.
Speaker 2: Eighty yards away and.
Speaker 1: You know, over the course of like a minute, I
Speaker 1: start noticing that moving its shoulders and it's moving tips
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's doing this thing with its legs
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it's standing in place, and.
Speaker 2: I get the impression it was looking back at me.
Speaker 1: Now, at the distance it was, I couldn't see any
Speaker 1: like facial features or any really features at all. It
Speaker 1: was just this bright white, solid figure and its feet
Speaker 1: were like in some ferns, so it was walking across
Speaker 1: and the ferns were white hot on the ground. It's
Speaker 1: standing in place, and it's kind of I got the
Speaker 1: impressions looking back at me, waiting for me to turn away.
Speaker 1: That's what I That's what I thought at the time.
Speaker 1: We did lists like standoff where like I'm looking at it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I am not handling this like I should.
Speaker 1: I'm having like a panic attack. At the time, it was,
Speaker 1: it was the most terrified I've ever been in my life.
Speaker 1: I think I walked up a few steps, remember saying justin, justin,
Speaker 1: get up it up.
Speaker 2: He's a very deep sleeper.
Speaker 1: I ended up kicking him in the ribs, like like
Speaker 1: if there was a time to kick someone in their ribs,
Speaker 1: in their sleep. This was it. So I did it,
Speaker 1: and he hits up, what's going on? I go, dude,
Speaker 1: and I'm not making sense, like it's standing there, it's
Speaker 1: standing there. I'm shivering. And it went on for about
Speaker 1: it was a couple of minutes. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like thirty seconds. But what I had done was I
Speaker 1: had hit I had a GoPro on me, and I
Speaker 1: hit record, so I actually have this encounter mostly recorded
Speaker 1: on audio. And at one point I tried to line
Speaker 1: up the GoPro with the with the thermal imager, and
Speaker 1: I just couldnt get it right because you can't you
Speaker 1: can't see what you're seeing through the go pro. I
Speaker 1: took an attempt at that, but it was just so
Speaker 1: I didn't even want to take my eye off.
Speaker 2: It because I felt like if I took.
Speaker 1: My THERMB down it was going to like run toward
Speaker 1: me or just something completely irrational, you know, when you're
Speaker 1: scared like that. So you know, I tried to give
Speaker 1: it to justin the therm. He goes, don't just don't
Speaker 1: take your eye off it, watch it, watch it, don't
Speaker 1: take you don't take your eye off it. Eventually, like
Speaker 1: what I think is that it just got tired of
Speaker 1: me looking. It could tell I'm looking in this direction.
Speaker 1: It can't tell that I'm holding the therm that can
Speaker 1: see it, you know. And it's the thing was is
Speaker 1: it's navigating and pitch black, and that was was very
Speaker 1: intimidating to me. This thing is pitch black. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: walk up there myself. And it was a couple of
Speaker 1: minutes and it finally turned to its right and it
Speaker 1: just walked off, you know, this kind of steep part
Speaker 1: of the of the hill there, and then we can
Speaker 1: hear it going crunch crunch crunch walking adjacent to camp.
Speaker 1: So it was this is one of the craziest moments
Speaker 1: in my entire life, hands down, if not the craziest.
Speaker 1: And it's like everything in that moment was like I
Speaker 1: just could not believe one. I could not believe that
Speaker 1: these things actually exist, that they're actually out there, and
Speaker 1: that I actually saw one, and it was just mind blowing.
Speaker 1: And I didn't I couldn't sleep right, I kept waking
Speaker 1: up every like couple minutes in my chair. I actually
Speaker 1: went to my I actually went to my car, you know,
Speaker 1: and like, if you camp with me now, I'm perfectly
Speaker 1: fine navigating at night. You know, I use my therm
Speaker 1: at night. I'm always on my feet walking, and back
Speaker 1: then that wasn't me. Back then, you know, I was
Speaker 1: very new to the so I didn't handle this sighting
Speaker 1: maybe as well as I should.
Speaker 2: I didn't go back up there and try to see
Speaker 2: how tall it was.
Speaker 1: I didn't do any of that. We woke up in
Speaker 1: the morning and I didn't even know how to break
Speaker 1: the news to people. You're the last guy up at
Speaker 1: the at the campfire. Of course he saw bigfoot, right.
Speaker 1: I remember Jeff Kelly getting up and he walked over
Speaker 1: and I didn't have to say anything. He just looked
Speaker 1: at me and he was what happened to you? And
Speaker 1: I don't know what I looked like, but probably looked
Speaker 1: like I saw a bigfoot. So yeah, that was just
Speaker 1: an amazing experience that I want to say.
Speaker 2: I think about that.
Speaker 1: God, I think about it almost every day, Almost every
Speaker 1: single day. I think about it and just like try
Speaker 1: to relive it, and I try not to forget the
Speaker 1: little bit that I remember of it.
Speaker 2: But crazy, crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: Did you make a video on the car ride home? No?
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't I know someone that did
Speaker 1: have an experience there and made a video in the
Speaker 1: car ride home where he was actually in tears, and
Speaker 1: that was a carl lince a Lot here. You're thinking
Speaker 1: of carl A lince a Lot.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, because like, yeah, I remember that
Speaker 3: guy making that video just like crying in his car
Speaker 3: right on the way home. Poor guy.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: I didn't understand that video until I saw one. And
Speaker 1: I didn't cry. On my word, I didn't cry on
Speaker 1: the way home for mine, Okay, but.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not accusing you of anything, okay.
Speaker 1: But at the time, dude, it was like I mean you, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember, Like this is like embarrassing to talk about,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm just saying that's what happened. Like
Speaker 1: I remember having to like not pee myself, like oh
Speaker 1: my god, Like I've never felt that before, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just a terrifying experience. It's life changing experience.
Speaker 1: And I totally get why that guy, carl A linz
Speaker 1: La drove home like he did. Last I heard he
Speaker 1: had like some YouTube channel where he made like family
Speaker 1: videos or something like that.
Speaker 3: Doesn't want to have anything to do with the subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no more, no more of that for him. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you like this, either, I've met people that have
Speaker 1: been very, very deterred.
Speaker 2: I've met people that say they won't go in the
Speaker 2: woods again.
Speaker 1: I've met people that are total opposite like me, where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I got to find something more of this thing,
Speaker 1: not just for myself, but you know, to show others.
Speaker 2: I guess he's one.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I guess he's one of the
Speaker 1: the ones that didn't go back.
Speaker 3: It's just crazy though, because like, aint that whole story
Speaker 3: about the Sierras for people listening not aware of what
Speaker 3: we're talking about. There is a guy that claimed that
Speaker 3: he shot one and killed it. It was a very
Speaker 3: big deal at the time.
Speaker 1: He shot two of them supposedly. Yeah, there is a
Speaker 1: there's a video that came out. It's on the small
Speaker 1: Town Monsters channel. Did you catch.
Speaker 2: Eli Watson just covered it?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 2: And it's a rough watch.
Speaker 1: It's very it's very hard to watch, even for myself.
Speaker 1: Who's you know, seeing him tell the story there you
Speaker 1: know more than two or three times. Whether you believe
Speaker 1: it or not, it's to me, it's the stuff that
Speaker 1: happened afterward that is most important, because his story is
Speaker 1: just a story, there's no way to debunk it or
Speaker 1: corroborate it. But you know, when Bart Katino shows up
Speaker 1: there and records four figures walking around into the trees,
Speaker 1: and then you talk to like Todd Hale, who was
Speaker 1: there as well that night, and he's talking about him
Speaker 1: and Rosy Heem, the guy that did this Dead Bigfoot documentary.
Speaker 1: They're they're talking about, you know, they're seeing these things
Speaker 1: in the trees. Bart's on the other side recording them.
Speaker 1: Then there's the Carla Lienslot guy having a sighting there. Myself,
Speaker 1: this was five miles from this site as a crow
Speaker 1: flies where I saw one, and I know other people
Speaker 1: that have had sightings right at that site too, And
Speaker 1: there are some people that don't even know about these
Speaker 1: stories that have had experiences there. So you know there,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you just make that up so
Speaker 1: that it's like you have this really like hot spot
Speaker 1: and you have this story about some that this guy's telling, well,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's like it's hard not to
Speaker 1: believe his story when everything else has happened there from
Speaker 1: people who do trust.
Speaker 3: That's kind of what I was getting at. I mean,
Speaker 3: people were aware obviously of the Sierras. You know, of
Speaker 3: course there's potential for bigfoot there, but he came out
Speaker 3: with historian he wasn't a bigfoot or anything. The bigfoot
Speaker 3: community actually found him, and I don't want to, you know,
Speaker 3: go down the route of making this a show about
Speaker 3: him or anything. But regardless of if you believe him
Speaker 3: or not, the fact remains. Because of that story, there
Speaker 3: was countless expeditions and investigations into the area where you
Speaker 3: have an entire array of people in experience in terms
Speaker 3: of bigfoot. Going from Bart Katino, like you said, who
Speaker 3: is like this veteran researcher with just like I don't know,
Speaker 3: I consider anything. Bart says, you can absolutely count on
Speaker 3: being honest and exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: Take everything he says to the bank.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was already a veteran before this ever happened.
Speaker 3: And then you got you, who are You're just like
Speaker 3: going out for the first time really on an expedition.
Speaker 3: You've got skeptics going there to debunk everything that have
Speaker 3: had sightings and encounters. I know multiple people personally that
Speaker 3: went there and had experiences. So how do you explain
Speaker 3: that even if this guy was lying, how did he
Speaker 3: find out about this location. How did he know to
Speaker 3: take everybody there?
Speaker 1: I told him, you can completely remove his story. Go
Speaker 1: ahead this if you go by all the other stories.
Speaker 1: This area is still really hot. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: very active area, very interesting place. I plan to go
Speaker 1: back there this summer and do some sort of a documentary.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what I tackled there.
Speaker 1: There's like I said, there's a lot to There's a
Speaker 1: lot of kind of moving pieces and different people that
Speaker 1: have had sightings up there. And you know, I do
Speaker 1: plan hopefully to interview a couple. But yeah, interesting place.
Speaker 1: Very interesting place is on the Plumus National Forest. If
Speaker 1: we didn't cover that, I'll just say it's in the
Speaker 1: area of Gold Lake near Sierra Butts, and a beautiful place.
Speaker 1: If you don't see anything, if you don't have anything happening, happen,
Speaker 1: you know, you still went on this epic camping trip
Speaker 1: in some beautiful country.
Speaker 3: I mean, you've been to some amazing places you know
Speaker 3: that you feature, especially on your YouTube channel, Like you said,
Speaker 3: You've been to like historic sites. You've been to Bluff Creek,
Speaker 3: You've been to the Paris and Film Site, You've been
Speaker 3: to the Freeman Side. You've investigated, what's your favorite location
Speaker 3: though out of everything?
Speaker 1: Oh man, it's gonna be Bluff Creek. And I'll tell
Speaker 1: you why. It's because one, it's like a Bigfoot it's
Speaker 1: like an outdoor museum. If you know your history, you
Speaker 1: drive into there first of all, Like from like Willow
Speaker 1: Creek is a small, little tiny town that's only a
Speaker 1: couple of blocks long. You drive two hours from there
Speaker 1: to get up into the mountains and the history in
Speaker 1: those mountains. There's all these different locations where you know,
Speaker 1: some of the biggest names in Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: History have conducted their research.
Speaker 1: It's also where the Patterson Gland film was shot, of course,
Speaker 1: but it's also where the term Bigfoot was coined. And
Speaker 1: this is all within people that I don't know if
Speaker 1: people realize it's it's way back there.
Speaker 2: It's way back. It's very isolated.
Speaker 1: You'll drive the roads there and you'll be there for
Speaker 1: a week and you won't see another car other than
Speaker 1: the people that are in your party on any of
Speaker 1: these roads. There are places like, for example, Loos Camp.
Speaker 1: When the whole yet anything was going on in the Himalayas,
Speaker 1: there was a guy named Tom Slick an oil tycoon.
Speaker 2: He funded this expedition over here.
Speaker 1: To look for this the abominable Snowman of California, because
Speaker 1: people were reporting all this stuff and finding tracks.
Speaker 2: So he funded a bunch of these researchers to go
Speaker 2: to a place.
Speaker 1: He landed on, Loose Camp. They all stayed at Lous
Speaker 1: Camp and trailers, and they'd wake up in the morning
Speaker 1: and just go try to find Bigfoot evidence. They pulled
Speaker 1: hundreds of not thousands, of casts, found all kinds of trackways.
Speaker 1: They were not successful one finding Bigfoot, obviously, but right
Speaker 1: in that area, I mean this is you can draw
Speaker 1: a circle in this area you had Louse Camp.
Speaker 2: Just outside of that you had.
Speaker 1: The Jerry crew site, which is where you know, uh,
Speaker 1: I guess a quick explanation to Jerry Crewed. You know
Speaker 1: he was a cats skill driver that they were when
Speaker 1: they were doing going into Virgin Timber up there in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty eight.
Speaker 2: You know, he found these tracks on the ground.
Speaker 1: And wanted to prove, you know, it's what everyone's seeing
Speaker 1: up here, what everyone's experiencing up in his crew. So
Speaker 1: he cast a footprint who was interviewed by the Eureka Times,
Speaker 1: and it was a slow news day. So they ran
Speaker 1: that story nationwide on the AP News and it said,
Speaker 1: how this bigfoot keeps coming around their logging site and
Speaker 1: you know, messing with their equipment and leaving giant footprints.
Speaker 1: Well that happened right there, you know, right outside of
Speaker 1: Laos Camp. So that's like two historic spots. Five miles
Speaker 1: up the road you can get down to the Patterson
Speaker 1: Gimlin film site. You have a place called Layered Meadow
Speaker 1: down the way where Roger Patterson in nineteen sixty four
Speaker 1: cast a footprint as well. So it's like you have
Speaker 1: all of these things that went on in the nineteen fifties, right,
Speaker 1: but even today in those same areas, you still have
Speaker 1: things going on. And you know, you have people like
Speaker 1: Jerry Crew talking about big footprints. You have Bobo talking
Speaker 1: about seeing one at Laws Camp as well.
Speaker 2: I've heard I recorded a yell once. I still don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm still not completely certain what it was. It's on
Speaker 1: my channel, but something like this yell. We think it
Speaker 1: came about eighty yards behind me maybe. So there's still
Speaker 1: things going on there, and there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: things that have gone on when in my time up there,
Speaker 1: include finding this mysterious hair. Boy, I'm starting to realize,
Speaker 1: like there's there's been a lot of key things that
Speaker 1: have happened in Bluff Creek, and I'm trying to sum
Speaker 1: them up really quick, and I think I'm going all
Speaker 1: over the place.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean there's like, you know, like you're talking about, dude,
Speaker 3: seventy years of history of bigfoot stuff in this.
Speaker 1: Area, yeah and ongoing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that kind of brings up an interesting point.
Speaker 3: A lot of people talk about, oh, well, Bigfoot obviously migrate,
Speaker 3: but then you have areas like this where like, okay,
Speaker 3: well there they've been in this area for seventy plus
Speaker 3: years at least on a regular basis, correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's just a weird thing to be able to
Speaker 1: say that you had something completely bizarre happened. Like I mean,
Speaker 1: this is like while a guy named Jamie Wayne and
Speaker 1: Dustin Severs of the Bluff Creek Project, we're talking to
Speaker 1: myself a couple of the guys, and Ken Gerhard was
Speaker 1: there and he had he was up there with a
Speaker 1: couple buddies, and I looked over as Jamie's talking, We're
Speaker 1: standing exactly where Jerry Crew cast that footprint. This guy.
Speaker 1: I turn over to my side and I go, hey,
Speaker 1: my name's Jonathan, and he goes hey, and I gosh,
Speaker 1: it forgot his name, but anyway, he shakes my hand.
Speaker 1: And as we're seeing we hear these two huge, like
Speaker 1: big knocks down in the creek. Okay, and we go, oh,
Speaker 1: that was weird. You hear that, yeah, And we kind
Speaker 1: of peeked over. Well simultaneously, one of our one of
Speaker 1: my buddies dogs who this dog has hiked the entire
Speaker 1: Appalachian Trail.
Speaker 2: This dog isn't scared anything.
Speaker 1: This dog's been around bears, mount lions, everything, and he's
Speaker 1: never gotten scared like this. For some reason, this dog
Speaker 1: tucked into the bush off the side of the road.
Speaker 1: And as we all walked back to camp, you know,
Speaker 1: Ron's going, where's bandit? I go, I saw him up
Speaker 1: the road in the bushes. So he borrows my belt
Speaker 1: and he's literally dragging his dog back to camp and
Speaker 1: his dog is just frozen solid, absolutely terrified. Now this
Speaker 1: is right in the vicinity that we heard those two knocks. Now,
Speaker 1: the rest of the group walked on back to camp
Speaker 1: and as I catch up to another guy, he's shining
Speaker 1: his flashlight in the trees and what was that? What happened?
Speaker 1: He goes, Dude, something huge just ran through here, maybe
Speaker 1: an elk And I go on an elk, I go,
Speaker 1: it's elk here. But I mean, we haven't seen an
Speaker 1: elk up here in a long time, and I haven't
Speaker 1: seen any tracks. That's weird. And this is I mean
Speaker 1: two three minutes from that initial one. And as we
Speaker 1: get back to camp, Alex Pettakov he's already at Lous
Speaker 1: Camp and there's this yell that he records, this whoop
Speaker 1: coming from just up the side of the mountain. Okay,
Speaker 1: And so it was like this chain reaction almost as
Speaker 1: if something moved from down creek, cross the road all
Speaker 1: the way up to Laos Camp and then.
Speaker 2: Did this yell and multiple people experience this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is also the same spot where if
Speaker 1: you ever watched, like Bobo tell his we Else Camp sighting,
Speaker 1: which it's on a few podcasts, he talks about how
Speaker 1: it ran up this kind of path.
Speaker 2: Okay, that yell came like right up that path.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So it's like me as his years and years after
Speaker 1: his sighting. So but yet these same locations are still
Speaker 1: you know, having strange things happen there. So that's that's
Speaker 1: just amazing when you can send it a historic site
Speaker 1: and still have stuff happen.
Speaker 3: Whenever you're looking at an area, like a new area,
Speaker 3: let's say you're looking for a new location and go
Speaker 3: and investigate. I get asked this question all the time,
Speaker 3: so I want to get your take on it. What
Speaker 3: sorts of things do you look for to decide to
Speaker 3: go to somewhere and actually look for Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd have to have like some sort of report,
Speaker 1: because I just feel like these things live out there
Speaker 1: in such low numbers that if you just you know,
Speaker 1: jump in the middle of the forest somewhere, I don't
Speaker 1: think you have very good chances.
Speaker 2: But if you go off of.
Speaker 1: A report or two, like a good report, that's a
Speaker 1: good starting point. When you open up the map after
Speaker 1: looking at that report, you know, I always try to
Speaker 1: find like, like why would something live here?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 1: Well something Sometimes I'll notice, like an isolated canyon. There'll
Speaker 1: be this long, isolated canyon, and I think to myself,
Speaker 1: maybe that's something that's somewhere where they live. In the winter,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no cars back there, there's nothing, the snow,
Speaker 1: the snow won't be too bad, you know, I'll kind
Speaker 1: of piece that together with where the report was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just looking for like some.
Speaker 1: Sort of isolated canyon. That's that's what I mainly look for.
Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, I try to talk
Speaker 1: to hunters. I've talked to a couple of hunters about
Speaker 1: like deer migrations and when things move through.
Speaker 2: Find example of that in the Sierras.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of people up there in this and
Speaker 1: that plumous National forest place that think that the activity
Speaker 1: only happens during the deer migration, so they keep close
Speaker 1: close tabs on the deer migration.
Speaker 2: And I've kind of started thinking that way.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe maybe you're looking at deer and elk
Speaker 1: where they're where they are, and herds, you know, you
Speaker 1: might have sasquatch around there. But uh, in the end,
Speaker 1: it's just like a crap shoot. It's so it's so difficult,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no there's no certainty, there's no really
Speaker 1: rubric that I really use or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Just go off for reports and what the land looks like.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about your I believe your most recent video
Speaker 3: about Mount Rainier. Yeah, mount Rainier crazy place, man, Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, it really is.
Speaker 1: And you know, that area has a really good combination
Speaker 1: of a couple of things. Has really good researchers. You
Speaker 1: got guys like Shane Corston you've had on your show.
Speaker 1: You got Jonathan Sarah Brown, you have you know, the
Speaker 1: Barcatine that we talked to gooes up there. He had
Speaker 1: an incident up there in the Cascades. So you have
Speaker 1: a lot of good researchers, and you have a lot
Speaker 1: of activity, and you also have a lot of kind
Speaker 1: of accessible roads that take you into these remote areas.
Speaker 1: So you know, a place like like Bumping Lake for example,
Speaker 1: we went up there.
Speaker 2: I won't say the location, the specific location.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a you know, inner circle type of
Speaker 1: thing where people think that they're having ongoing activity. So
Speaker 1: we don't like to.
Speaker 2: Blurt blurt it all around blurted all around the internet.
Speaker 1: But you know, up there there's been some of the
Speaker 1: strangest sounds I've ever heard recorded. And when I went
Speaker 1: up there, I experienced some weird things. I had some
Speaker 1: very strange things on my audio recorder, like what I
Speaker 1: think ads at one point, like a rock being thrown
Speaker 1: at a tree, you hear a crack, thump, thump, a
Speaker 1: few maybe suspect vocalizations or big breaths that you know,
Speaker 1: myself and the other camper didn't take. But it was
Speaker 1: weird because in the morning we found ourselves chasing around
Speaker 1: this like rock clacking sound, and that's on the video.
Speaker 1: And I was fortunate enough to record a lot of
Speaker 1: those clacks, and it was like, I've heard a lot
Speaker 1: of like I said, I've heard a lot of noises.
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of woodpeckers hitting different you know,
Speaker 1: densities of wood. This was like outright two rocks just
Speaker 1: clacking together, super loud, and it wasn't just my opinion,
Speaker 1: it was another gentleman's. After that, we found out that
Speaker 1: there was a BFRO expedition up there a month prior
Speaker 1: and they were also reporting these rock clacks. They were
Speaker 1: also kind of chasing these sounds around. So it's just
Speaker 1: a weird correlation. But you know, that Bumping Lake area,
Speaker 1: it's a very real big hot spot. I do show
Speaker 1: some audio that was recorded from there. Rainier itself is
Speaker 1: just like covered in reports that that whole like Packward
Speaker 1: area is just covered in reports. So it's like I
Speaker 1: feel like you can live there and just you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's like a it's like a big footing mecca
Speaker 1: in a sense.
Speaker 2: There's just reports all over the place and there's good research.
Speaker 2: So you see that.
Speaker 1: You'll see that in my Rainier documentary talk to some
Speaker 1: good people.
Speaker 3: Whenever you guys were hearing the rock clacking, there's also
Speaker 3: like some very loud movement going on. That's that's the
Speaker 3: best way I could describe it. I mean, you could
Speaker 3: hear it on the video itself. So like obviously microphones
Speaker 3: just unless you're spending a lot of money and in
Speaker 3: a studio, they're not going to pick up things the
Speaker 3: way that the human ear picks them up and processes them.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely.
Speaker 1: And the thing was like we really did feel at
Speaker 1: one point we were chasing something around because you back
Speaker 1: in that thick that thick, thick area, you can't take
Speaker 1: two steps without having to go over log or into
Speaker 1: wet mud or just everything's in your way.
Speaker 2: So it was really slow moving. So we're trying to
Speaker 2: like sneak around.
Speaker 1: But what happens is we hear these rock placks, right,
Speaker 1: and I felt like we'd move toward it and we'd
Speaker 1: hear this it was two times and I got it once.
Speaker 1: On there you hear this huge crashing, you know, like
Speaker 1: something very large. You hear the guy I was camping
Speaker 1: with go, maybe an elk just crashing through there, and
Speaker 1: it moved locations, and then the rock clacks came.
Speaker 2: From where you know, where that sound had gone.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you got to be kidding me, Like,
Speaker 1: so then we walk over there and it takes us
Speaker 1: a while to get that way, and then we hear
Speaker 1: the crashing move again. Yeah, so this just you know, crash,
Speaker 1: bang bang bang, and then it was gone. But there
Speaker 1: was a point where guy was with had a thermal
Speaker 1: imaguer and he said, you know, there's a there's a
Speaker 1: heat signature in the bushes is if there was something there,
Speaker 1: and it's slowly I'm watching it literally dissipate. So we
Speaker 1: went over there and we found this kind of ambiguous impression,
Speaker 1: you know, spoiler. I looked for the viewers like, it's
Speaker 1: not the greatest footprint cast, it's not even it's not
Speaker 1: even good.
Speaker 2: Really, but it is an impression and it does look
Speaker 2: like a foot.
Speaker 1: And the way that smashed down is the way that
Speaker 1: something with if it was a bigfoot it's the it's
Speaker 1: the way that it would have stepped now wheres it
Speaker 1: looks like a foot that just went into the mud.
Speaker 1: So it was just this weird game of like literal
Speaker 1: hide and seek for a little bit.
Speaker 3: It was during the day, so the heat signature wasn't
Speaker 3: like a rock or a log or something retaining heat it.
Speaker 3: I assume you didn't show any thermal or anything. But
Speaker 3: from the description and the fact that it was the daytime,
Speaker 3: I would assume that it was like a spot where
Speaker 3: something warm had been like sitting for a minute or
Speaker 3: two and then like walked off, and that's why the
Speaker 3: heat signature was dissipating.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, that was what we thought.
Speaker 1: And it was early in the morning, so everything's going
Speaker 1: from cold and slowly warming up. And it's so shaded
Speaker 1: in there that there's really no rocks or trees that
Speaker 1: just hold the heat. Everything is just cold and wet,
Speaker 1: and so for a heat signature to pop up and
Speaker 1: then slowly dissipate, like if something it looked like if
Speaker 1: something was there. So yeah, very just a really weird,
Speaker 1: weird place and I was just I was just super
Speaker 1: happy that I got those clacks and the crashing and
Speaker 1: all that stuff on camera.
Speaker 3: Were there any areas that had like a lot of rocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to the it's to the south of camp.
Speaker 1: There's just this big rock wall, so there's plenty of rocks,
Speaker 1: plenty of rocks, but it was never rocks tumbling.
Speaker 2: Down or anything like that. And it was rhythmic. It
Speaker 2: was like clack clack clack, clack, clack clack.
Speaker 1: Claque, and then stops and then it was like one
Speaker 1: big clack and then a couple more in a minute,
Speaker 1: and then you'd have to wait for five to ten
Speaker 1: minutes and then it would start again. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It just leaves you. You know,
Speaker 1: half of you's like, Wow, that was amazing, and the
Speaker 1: other half is like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 2: Like, like I.
Speaker 1: Wanted to see it. I honestly felt like something was
Speaker 1: just gonna walk out of the bushes at some point.
Speaker 3: I mean, it was one of those situations, you know,
Speaker 3: like bigfoot in investigators know this situation on too Well
Speaker 3: where you're hearing all this commotion and it's huge and
Speaker 3: it's right there, but you can't see anything, and it's
Speaker 3: like you're saying, something's gonna come walking out any second,
Speaker 3: or you're gonna see it go between the trees, but
Speaker 3: you never do exactly.
Speaker 1: And it's really hard to tell these stories because you know,
Speaker 1: it's like your integrity is on the line. You want
Speaker 1: to tell your story with integrity, but it's like it's
Speaker 1: hard to tell a story about you chasing around some sound,
Speaker 1: you know, and if you don't tell it right, you
Speaker 1: can seem real silly. So it's kind of another reason
Speaker 1: that I'm like happy that I was able to document
Speaker 1: it and put it into this video and you can
Speaker 1: see it for yourself.
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed the video, by the way, and that's
Speaker 3: not just because you're sitting here, you know, or doing
Speaker 3: an episode together. It really was a good video, and
Speaker 3: I really like the fact that you actually documented the
Speaker 3: whole process of you like, casting the track and showing
Speaker 3: the track and like, you know, you're right, it's not
Speaker 3: the wonderful, most greatest track impression in the world. But
Speaker 3: it definitely looks like a foot. It definitely looks like toes,
Speaker 3: and it makes sense how you know, the toes spread
Speaker 3: around that stick and everything, but the area itself, I mean,
Speaker 3: you were back in there, man, and like you were saying,
Speaker 3: it's thick, just like a bunch of old deadfall and
Speaker 3: just ankle breakers. Man, I don't like whatever was moving
Speaker 3: around back there was large, even if you separate it
Speaker 3: from the rock clacks, which to me sounded like you're
Speaker 3: saying rock clacks. They weren't a woodpecker. I've never heard
Speaker 3: of woodpecker like that. It sounded like distinct rock clacks.
Speaker 3: But the movement itself, where you know, things are cracking
Speaker 3: and breaking as something large moves through the area. So
Speaker 3: that pretty much limits you to like elk and bear,
Speaker 3: and I don't see either one of those choosing to
Speaker 3: travel through that area like that, like they would find
Speaker 3: a smoother route, especially in elk. There's no way an
Speaker 3: elk was walking through that stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, it would have to be you know,
Speaker 1: jumping and doing all kinds of stuff, like every single step.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's even like traversible for them. And
Speaker 1: so that BFRO expedition a month earlier they found a footprint,
Speaker 1: like right, not too far, not too far from where
Speaker 1: we did.
Speaker 2: They cast a footprint.
Speaker 1: I think there's looked a little bit better maybe, but
Speaker 1: not great still. But it's just so it's just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you you have this experience where you're chasing
Speaker 1: around rock clacking, and you know, you have to be
Speaker 1: as a as a we use the term researcher, you
Speaker 1: have to be, you know, a skeptic to yourself like
Speaker 1: are you really hearing this? You know what could it be?
Speaker 1: Could it be this? This or this? And to to
Speaker 1: come back home and I watched it was it was
Speaker 1: Jonathan and Sarah Brown's video and Saleish Sasquatch where they
Speaker 1: documented that expedition and then watching their video and I'm like,
Speaker 1: and these guys are like, yeah, so you know we
Speaker 1: were recorded these these rock clacks. You know, they're on
Speaker 1: there that we heard that they recorded them, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: rock clacks And they're literally at the same camp I was.
Speaker 1: This is also the same camp where those long vocalizations
Speaker 1: that Tristan Yulton recorded at night. Yeah, so I mean
Speaker 1: it's also the same camp where Bart Patino had a sighting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, so it's you know, it's one of those
Speaker 1: things again, just like we talked about earlier, you know,
Speaker 1: lots of things happening in a very particular location, and
Speaker 1: you know, like.
Speaker 2: I'm going back at least a couple of times this
Speaker 2: summer for sure.
Speaker 3: And you've got Tristan's audio on the video on this
Speaker 3: particular Tristan is somebody that will eventually be on this podcast,
Speaker 3: so excellent. Yeah, a little foreshadowing there. But what's the craziest, weirdest,
Speaker 3: strangest thing you've experienced while bigfooting?
Speaker 1: Whoo okay, other than my sighting, we'll exclude that because
Speaker 1: they already talked about that.
Speaker 2: We'll say, oh boy, there's a couple that.
Speaker 1: The you know, I'll talk about one that didn't get recorded.
Speaker 2: And it was last year and I was up there
Speaker 2: with Alex Pettakov.
Speaker 1: We were filming for this his documentary called Return to
Speaker 1: Bluff Creek, and I was also filming.
Speaker 2: But we were out there then. We had two groups
Speaker 2: of people. We had one This.
Speaker 1: Is at a place called Layered Meadow by the way,
Speaker 1: which has a lot of history to it, and we've
Speaker 1: also had a few current things happen there, so that's
Speaker 1: why we were there.
Speaker 2: We had one group way up the road. We had
Speaker 2: another group, my group down the road, and we were
Speaker 2: there for.
Speaker 1: A couple hours, didn't hear anything, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we start hearing this yelling come off the mountain and
Speaker 1: it sounded like a dude in a roller coaster going oh.
Speaker 1: And it would go for like a twenty second spurt,
Speaker 1: and it was so distant that our recorders did not
Speaker 1: pick it up. I mean we tried for hours and
Speaker 1: hours and hours, all of us to try to get
Speaker 1: our see if we can extract it out of our recorders.
Speaker 2: We said it to people and just like nobody could
Speaker 2: get anything.
Speaker 1: But it's just this yelling that would go on for
Speaker 1: twenty for like for like two, you know, two minutes
Speaker 1: at a time, and then stop, and then twenty minutes
Speaker 1: later it start up again and both groups hurt it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, that's just another thing that
Speaker 1: adds on. But it was just such a crazy experience.
Speaker 1: Usually when you hear something, it happens very quickly and
Speaker 1: then it's over, like in the snap of Fee. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this went on for so long where you got to
Speaker 1: like listen and assess it, and it did it again,
Speaker 1: and then it did it again, and we try to
Speaker 1: walk over to maybe where we could record it better.
Speaker 1: The group met up and then we heard it again
Speaker 1: all together. Wow, And it's like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: ever knew like reassurance that these things are there in
Speaker 1: that location. That was it to me.
Speaker 2: But I mean, we.
Speaker 1: Found hair there, We've heard other vocalizations there earlier. But
Speaker 1: you know, to hear something for twenty seconds yell on
Speaker 1: end like that and to do up and down and
Speaker 1: you know with its vocals, this is pretty crazy. It's
Speaker 1: a shame that no one was able to get it.
Speaker 1: Maybe a parabolic mic would have gotten it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was just a that was just super
Speaker 2: super super weird.
Speaker 3: What's your favorite Bigfoot story that you've been told or
Speaker 3: one of your favorites, because I know it's hard to
Speaker 3: be put on the spot like that and pick like
Speaker 3: a favorite and go through the rolodex, But like in
Speaker 3: the rolodex, what's one of the stories that kind of
Speaker 3: like stands out to you that you just really like.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'd be super cliche, but I'm gonna say that
Speaker 1: the PG film story. Because the thing that a lot
Speaker 1: of people don't understand is how deep you can go
Speaker 1: with that story. There are so many people in the
Speaker 1: background that corroborate that story.
Speaker 2: And you can it's like you can never have finish.
Speaker 1: Learning about it, Like there's always some other person that
Speaker 1: knew Patterson that went to the side that you know,
Speaker 1: you just keep finding more and more about it, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's hands down my favorite story.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just it's it starts.
Speaker 1: It starts from uh, you know, Patterson just having this interest,
Speaker 1: and I kind of relate a lot to him in
Speaker 1: the sense that Patterson didn't go in his own backyard
Speaker 1: looking for Bigfoot. He went all the way to Bluff Creek.
Speaker 1: You know, I've lived in Boise, Idoh, I drive all
Speaker 1: the way to Bluff Creek. I'm there for a limited
Speaker 1: amount of time and have a very small window to
Speaker 1: maybe record or experience something. And Patterson did too. He
Speaker 1: went down there for a month. But you can just
Speaker 1: keep going down this infinite wormhole of information of people,
Speaker 1: you know, red flags and debunking those red flags, and
Speaker 1: it goes on and on and in the end, it's
Speaker 1: like this super humanizing story where like, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't stop and think how this dude was just a
Speaker 1: regular guy, you know, kind of swinging for the swinging
Speaker 1: for the fence, you know, renting a camera that was
Speaker 1: too expensive for him, you know, staying out there longer
Speaker 1: than he should, almost ruin his relationship with his best friend,
Speaker 1: and It's just an awesome story. And you know, I
Speaker 1: just I see Daniel Paris as a book coming out
Speaker 1: about it. I can't wait to read that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: as far as it goes, I mean, can't go wrong
Speaker 1: with Patterson Gimlin.
Speaker 3: I think one of the most interesting things about it
Speaker 3: is the Parison film is like something that is a
Speaker 3: doorway for so many people into the Bigfoot subject, and
Speaker 3: it's gone beyond the Bigfoot world entirely. Everybody's seen the film.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows about the film. You can ask Joe Blow
Speaker 3: off the street, who doesn't give a rat's ask about Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: You know about the Parison film. Oh you mean that
Speaker 3: old video of the thing. Yeah, exactly that. But what
Speaker 3: they don't understand is it wasn't just a situation where
Speaker 3: they were just randomly at that location and just happened
Speaker 3: to catch Bigfoot while they're trying to film a documentary
Speaker 3: about Bigfoot. There was so much history, like you were saying,
Speaker 3: in that area. There was a reason that area was chosen.
Speaker 3: They were there for a reason. There was already absolutely
Speaker 3: tracks and activity and sightings and everything else for years
Speaker 3: and years prior to the film ever being made.
Speaker 1: No exactly and then you know, like today, if you
Speaker 1: Matt would go to go to Bluff Creek, I would
Speaker 1: totally pass on you know, locations and things that have
Speaker 1: happened so you can follow up. You know, that's exactly
Speaker 1: what had happened. Back then. You had Jerry Crew, who
Speaker 1: you know, he was a yeah, he was a construction worker,
Speaker 1: but after all this happened, he really followed the subject
Speaker 1: and he had made a map of where footprints have
Speaker 1: been found and where he thinks that you can find footprints.
Speaker 2: Well, Jerry Crew gave.
Speaker 1: This map to Al Hodgson, who ran a general store there,
Speaker 1: and when Patterson and Gimblin came down, He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: I got a map for you.
Speaker 2: Why don't you guys check this out?
Speaker 1: And he gave him Jerry Crew's map and Jerry Crew So,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jerry Crew is a small hand in the
Speaker 1: Patterson Gimblin film too. And I just want to say
Speaker 1: something real quick. In my Bigfoot of Humboldt video, I
Speaker 1: interview Carl Krue, his nephew, and he had all kinds
Speaker 1: of neat stories. I mean, he grew up talking to
Speaker 1: his uncle Jerry, and he had these passed on things
Speaker 1: passed on like newspaper clippings, magazines, and he just had
Speaker 1: all this information on everything that happened, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's really unfortunate Carl just passed away. So I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say rest in peace with a great guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he was a big He was very instrumental and you know,
Speaker 1: muscle helping me understand what happened back then. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they didn't stumble across it. No, the stumbled
Speaker 1: across it. It was the years of people researching.
Speaker 3: So what are some projects you've got lined up for
Speaker 3: the future, Any new documentaries you're working on or anything.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to make my outings this summer to
Speaker 1: back to going back to Washington. I'm going to Bluff
Speaker 1: Creek this summer, supposed to link up with a lot
Speaker 1: of really cool people, including your future guests here, Tristian Yelton.
Speaker 2: So going to do that.
Speaker 1: I also want to present a little bit more of
Speaker 1: the science behind Bigfoot because if me myself, I work
Speaker 1: in the medical field, so you know, everything's very science
Speaker 1: based to me. I work in the field of anatomy,
Speaker 1: so you know it's like there are certain things that
Speaker 1: I look at and I.
Speaker 2: Go oh, that's really important that needs to be told.
Speaker 1: And there are people like you know, David Zigan, who
Speaker 1: as a forensics guy, people should listen to that. There's
Speaker 1: you know, I have an interview with doctor Meldrum. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna use some footage from that. But what I plan
Speaker 1: on doing is just telling story of you know, the
Speaker 1: science that's behind Bigfoot. I do want to make that video.
Speaker 1: That's something you can look forward to seeing on my
Speaker 1: channel this year and we'll see. I don't know, will
Speaker 1: this Will this be the year that I one walks
Speaker 1: out of the bushes?
Speaker 2: For me? Is this broad daylight?
Speaker 1: You never know?
Speaker 3: I mean back whenever you had your first sting, you
Speaker 3: probably thought it was going to be a rap in
Speaker 3: the next year or so, didn't you.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, yeah, I totally did. I totally did you know.
Speaker 1: I've spent like five grand on just camera equipment, you know,
Speaker 1: trying to make sure I get you know, whatever I
Speaker 1: record in perfect four K and yeah, man, this has
Speaker 1: not happened yet.
Speaker 3: Well, shout out your YouTube channel. Man, it's a Western
Speaker 3: Bigfoot Exploration.
Speaker 1: Western Bigfoot Exploration on YouTube. You guys can add me
Speaker 1: on Facebook too. Jonathan Easley, I don't touch that as much.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I got like a good handful of video
Speaker 2: on YouTube. Hopefully you like them.
Speaker 1: They're very cinematic videos that kind of tell the story,
Speaker 1: so it's something I try to make them to be
Speaker 1: something everyone can watch, not just believers, not just skeptics.
Speaker 1: Kind of middle of the line, easy watching stuff.
Speaker 2: So hope you guys dig it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, thanks for coming on. Man, I've enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 3: I know you got to get on to things that
Speaker 3: you got scheduled, but you're gonna have to come back
Speaker 3: on some other time. Man, talk some more Bigfoot with me.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Man, I'll talk Bigfoot all day.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 3: If you've had your own encounter with Bigfoot or something
Speaker 3: else you can't explain, you'd like to share your story
Speaker 3: on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail
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Speaker 3: remember there's something in the woods.