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Speaker 1: We'd like to thank Cozy Earth. No, we wouldn't let

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me start that over. We would like to think bam

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bamp three two one. Ask not what your country can

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do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

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Mister gorbach Off, tear down this wall. It's the Ricochet

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Podcast and our guest is you the members who pose

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questions to myself James Lylyx and Charles C. W. Cook.

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So let's have us of the podcast. Oh and tariffs do.

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Speaker 2: Well the all first questions for the blood hand this

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evening is what's great a parent of Cartesian dualism. Resist

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the reduction of zs ideological phenomena to physical states.

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Speaker 1: President Trump, I really don't know what he said at

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the end of this, and I don't think he knows

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what he said either. Listener mail welcome everybody. This is

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the Ricochet Podcast, number seven thirty six from James Lylyax

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in Minneapolis, Spring not yet here. Slake gray Sky's bit

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of a chill to the air. The other day the

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tornado sirens went off and wailed for about four minutes,

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to the extreme distress of all dogs and some people.

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But nice to know that soon the twisters will be

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scribbling their way across the landscape to lift us either

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into OZ or elsewhere. But in the other version of

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American paradise OZ, like green, verdant, lush, humid, is Florida,

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where we presume Charles is at the moment Charles see

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w Cook, welcome, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Did the Hawaiian shirt give it away?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Whenever I see Hawaiian shirt, I naturally think of Florida.

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I suppose Stephen isn't with us, By the way, Stephen

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is right now somewhere off with Peter Robinson and rob

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Long telling you stories about me and Charlie. So I

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suppose before we get to the member questions, because we're

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just sort of winging it today, we're just having fun.

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We're just, you know, taking having a lark. Is it

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necessary to have the obligatory segment about terras, which will

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immediately be rendered You're meaningless by some other twister turn

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in the next forty eight hours or forty eight minutes.

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Would you like to say something, would you like to vent,

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would you like to spleen dumb? Would you like to

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open a vein on everybody? Or are you just sort

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of tired and beaten down by it all? And waiting

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for the next week to change things again.

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Speaker 2: I'm never too beaten down to vent my spleen. James,

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all right, well, it's silly, isn't it. It's counterproductive economically,

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it's counterproductive politically. And here's the bit that I don't understand.

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You don't need to hear me go on and on

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again about the economics, but the politics of it fascinate me.

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We just had a report that consumer confidence is the

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worst it's been for years, that people are worried about

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inflation in a way that they haven't been since Joe

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Speaker 1: What were the lace of the last inflation numbers, by

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Speaker 2: Very good, But this is the politics. Inflation went down

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people expected to be seven percent? Why? Because of tariffs?

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And my question is, even if you feel obliged to

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defend Trump in this particular, don't you want the rest

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of his agenda? Don't you want the rest of his

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presidency to work?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 2: I don't understand the gamble here.

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Speaker 1: I know. I think the gamble is is that all

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of this will be short term, and that everyone will

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come to the table and that'll be good news, and

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that it won't have an inflationary effect and that it

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will all be forgotten in a month, which is entirely

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possible given the speed at which these things pass these days.

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But they ought to do a better job of touting

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what they are doing. Had a post up on Ricochet yesterday.

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This morning, there's a cabinet meeting. When they aired the cabinet,

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it's all on TikTok and it's all on YouTube, and

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everybody sits down and gives the report about what they're doing,

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and it's like a wish list of the basic conservative ideas,

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with the exception of a couple of things. And it's

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really remarkable because when you look at it, as I

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nearly every single one of them is something that people

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on the right would say, good glad we're getting on that.

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the absolute inversion of every single one of those ideas,

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all of them. And so yeah, they really a probably

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are doing a bad job of communicating these things, or

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means now, which is memes and social media. And two, yes,

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this is bad for the future agenda because if you

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do indeed have the dislocations, the economic dislocations that people

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are worrying about, then the midterms are shot. But we'll see,

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we'll see. It's a zesty farago, is it not.

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Speaker 2: You were going to say, well, the best case scenario

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saying economically, culturally, socially, etcetera. It's the best case, right.

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think it's unconstitutional to delegate the tariff power, I agree,

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because we have created a pope like presidency and become

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very superstitious about it. But it's nevertheless true that presidencies

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rise and fall on the economy. And Trump last time

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around did a pretty good job on the economy. The

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twenty nineteen economy was not there because of Trump, the

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Great and Wise Trump, but he did things that helped

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create the circumstances of twenty nineteen that people really liked,

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the tax bill that he signed, the deregulation in which

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he engaged. These were good things that created stability and

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optimism and investment, and because of that he should have

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been able to then move on to other things. Now

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he wasn't because he was very unlucky with COVID. I'm

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pretty defensive of Trump over COVID. I think that Trump

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dealt with it, okay, I think no other president would

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have done better. We were all in very, very strange place.

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months years even taken up with absurd lawfare and Russia Gate.

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idea that Trump was screwed over in his first term

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quite frequently. But the lesson from the first term is

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if you create an economic environment that works for people,

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which twenty nineteen did via the usual conservative policies, people

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like you, and when people like you, they have a

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lot of time for the rest of your agenda. Now,

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exception of some due process questions that I object to,

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but as a rule, he's doing very very well on

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the border, and people are responding to it. His approval

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rating in that area is very high. I just think

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that the smart political player would have been to come

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in do what he's done on the border, do what

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he did in twenty seventeen, renew the tax cuts, pro

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growth policies, do some cuts which he doesn't seem to

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want to do, deregulate which he is doing, and then

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go about the difficult bits. Now that's not to say

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both because I think it's unconstitutional for the president to

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do and I think that it is just absurdly over

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the top. It's one thing to have a China policy.

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don't have tariffs on us, with whom we have a

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trade surplus, to talk to our allies as we do,

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and all the rest of it. But some of the

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things Trump wants to do are quite difficult to get done.

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seventy to thirty propositions. And I really worry that the

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rest of those things have now been set back by

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the chaos that has been unleased in the last two weeks.

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Speaker 1: Get that and I agree. The only thing that I

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will say, and I'm not saying that I agree with it,

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that I understand the argument is that you are not

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going to get China's attention otherwise, and you're not going

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to get China to do anything otherwise because, as we know,

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everyone sits down around a table and talks for two

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years and comes up with something that eventually, supposedly down

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the road and twenty twenty nine, we'll begin to address

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the problem of possible finds for IP stealing in the

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rest of them, and everything goes on as usual, and

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everything that you buy on Amazon continues to be Timu

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junk and etc. Etc. And this rankles Trunk in a

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way that just apparently is just a corrosive, acid soaked

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popcorn hull and his goal in his gums. And we've

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been hearing it for years. But you're right, let's get

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onto questions. Because members of Ricochet, of which there are many,

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and they are a wonderful bunch with great opinions may

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put some questions on Ricochet for Charles and to address,

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and the first comes from Michael Minette. Question, what do

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you see as the pros and cons of the current

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global Packs Americana. Do you think there's a practical way

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to pay for it without beggaring the American people?

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Speaker 2: Charles, Oh, I have many thoughts. Thore's are two separate questions.

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I think the Packs Americana is a wonderful thing and

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that it would be an absolute disaster if we traded

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it for a Pax something else. The Packs of Americana followed

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the Pax Britannica. The Pax Britannica was broadly begun in

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eighteen oh five on the water and in eighteen fifteen

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on the land, with the battles of Fifaga and Waterloo, respectively.

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World Warish Empire was exhausted and depleted and broke, and

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we handed over control of the seas to the United States.

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Speaker 1: Of our heart.

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Speaker 2: We had to, but we passed the bat on to

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another English speaking nation with the rule of law. And

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this is a wonderful thing. This is why the world

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because the alternatives are all awful. China, Russia, France. We

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don't want those people.

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Speaker 1: You can take the British citizenry out of the man

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but you but you can't take the British desire to

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just take a little swipey if possible. Yes, I don't

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think there'll be a Friendshire pack.

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Speaker 2: But that's the first part. So we should want this

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because there is no alternative. How do we pay for it? Look,

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this does cost us, but not that much. In nineteen

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sixty that would have been much more difficult to interrogate

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the debt. We do not, relative to other things, spend

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compared to our GDP, we spend quite a lot, but

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we do not spend much on defense compared to say,

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social Security or Medicare, or interest on the debt. And

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is a bargain. So if you were looking at the

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budget and the question were and ought to be given

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our predicament, where do we cut? That's the last thing

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reason we have a federal government. The federal government, whether

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it's a good idea or not, does not exist to

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provide social security or Medicare, or the Department of Education

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or farm subsidies, or to borrow money every year. The

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federal government exists primarily for international relations and within that

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for defense, and I am open to the idea that

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across the board cuts would involve some reductions in defense spending,

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although I think there are solid arguments against that too.

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focal point of any inquiry into our expenditures, seems to

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Speaker 1: The cons woul seem to be that we feel obligated

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to get involved in conflicts which manifestly on the surface,

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do not seem to be issues you care about. And

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that's why people on the right are indifferent to Ukraine

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or what the off effect would be if Russia just

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had taken over and rolled it up, and they're indifferent

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as you wish on the things that you like because

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you know that we're going to be there to back

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you up, and you don't have to spend any money,

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and you can't project power, and your armies consists basically

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of bureaucrats, and you know your guns are rusty, and

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that we find that contemptuous. Why wouldn't you want to

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be able to defend yourself. But the other part of

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it is is that I think people on the right,

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correctly or not, believe that there is a general lack

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of faith in the European idea at all, and that

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there's sort of been a combination of a hand waving,

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techno utopian, transnationalist belief that all individual national identities can

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be subsumed into this wonderful European project, coupled with a

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sort of you know, strange, subconscious desire for cultural suicide

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that requires the changing of the national character by importation

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of people who are antithetical to it. And so we

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look at this and say, you know, the reason perhaps

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that America is not interested in Europe anymore is that

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Europe doesn't seem to be interested in being Europe. Is

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that you want to be a collection of quaint little

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tourist places, dense little cities with nice old churches and

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twisty streets and cafes and the rest of it. And

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beyond that, you know, we'll visit and we'll see you

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art and your art, and then get our stamped the

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passport and go. But Americans don't feel that same sort

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of connection as they used it. And part of it

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may be again because we're a couple of more generations

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distant from the immigrant project, with so many people from

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your came over. You know, you know, now we have

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the grandchildren of DPS. We don't have the children of

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DPS and so just all those connections get severed. And

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I hate it, frankly, because you know, the history of Europe,

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bloody and awful and remarkable and storied as it is,

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is a unique story in the elevation of the human

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spirit and individual liberty, and I hate to find us

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disconnected on an emotive as well as intellectual level from it,

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says I. But then again, I'm not European. Let's go

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to Henry henriqu castein this is this is great. I'm

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getting out my twelve foot pole because I'm not going

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to touch this with a ten. Don't leave it to

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Would we be better off if we got rid of

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universal suffrage? I'm sorry, I almost went daffy duck on you.

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Storage would we be better off if we got rid

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of universal suffrage? Because that's what's going That's what's going

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to happen now with the new voting requirements, right, and

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I'm won't be able to vote unless they show up

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in a handmade tale outfit or provide some documents or

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something like that. Would would be better? Charles? And what

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is the argument? What is he saying though? What basically,

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what's the underlying point that he's making because I think

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we know what it is. Well.

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Speaker 2: Look, the United States is a republic, and it was

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founded by people who are openly skeptical of democracy as

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they had seen it operate in various places around the

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world for the two thousand years prior to the founding.

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We still have a great deal of skepticism towards democracy

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in the United States. That's what the Constitution is, especially

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the Bill of Rights. The notion that the public is

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always right is a silly one, but there really is

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no better mechanism to correct the behavior of those in

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power than elections. If you look at even the last

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ten to fifteen years, it's been necessary over and over

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again for the public to step in, especially with a

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secret ballot that is inoculated against the pressures of public life,

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and make their preferences clear. I don't want to see

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that go away. I think that's an integral part of

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the system. I think that our problem is not so

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much in the balance of what we allow to be

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voted on and what we don't, or in the balance

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of who we allowed to vote, women, eighteen year old immigrants,

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or what you are. I think our problem is that

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we have put far too much authority in the hands

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of the national government and then subject that national government

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to the democratic will, and that's why we're all angry

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with one another. I hear very few complaints about democracy

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from people at the state level. Now, yes, I live

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in Florida, and Florida has been a success story, but

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I don't hear from those in other places Iowa, Wyoming, Massachusetts.

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I'm really worried about this or that election, But nationally,

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whenever we have an election, everyone panics because there's so

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much riding on it. So I don't think our issue

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is with the franchise. I think our issue is with

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the vertical allocation of power, which is massively out of

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whack in favor of the federal government. America is a

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pretty diverse place. I say diverse in the useful sense

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of that word, not in the dei sense, which really

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means getting people who have differently mutable characteristics but all

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agree and putting them in the same room. I mean

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that it is a good thing that Minnesota is different

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than Florida, because Minnesotans are different than Floridians. But if

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you ask them to channel all of their political preferences

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and energies through Washington, d C. They are going to

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come to blost. That's the issue. As far as I

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see it, I wouldn't change the eligibility for voting.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, and that is why it is baffling

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to well, it isn't. But it is baffling why people

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insist that we are presently under the increasing pressure of

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the jack boot of fascism on our next because of

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getting rid of the Department of Education. If you had

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an administration that said we are now going to subsume

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all educational requirements in Washington under the Department of Education,

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if Trump had done this and said that we are

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now going this is the uniform National pro America curriculum

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that's going to be instituted, and people would scream that

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this was that this was fascism. But if a liberal

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government did, a leftist government comes in and says, the

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Department of Education is now going to be given double

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its budget because we're past the horrible days of Trump

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and we're going to sweep out all these old ideas

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and institute this new thing, which we guarantee, if you

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look at the stats and figures, are going to teach

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our children well and all, by the way, tell them,

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give them all the ideological tools that they need to

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be good citizens, good planetary citizens, good climate citizens, and

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the rest of it. That's to me, an idiot that

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I am, seems closer to fascism than saying we're getting

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rid of the national Department and devolving everything down to

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the states. The more you devolve down to the individual,

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down to the smaller units of government, the less I

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don't know fascism you seem to have, so that I

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don't get And I'm all in favor of doing this

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because it's more responsive, it's more immediate. I've got a

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better chance of going to my local city council. Well, no,

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my city council is hopeless, but I've got a better

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chance of influencing something at a local level than I

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do possibly being my one vote is you know, a

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tincture of iodine into this great ocean of blue. So, yes,

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you're right, You're absolutely right. It's the concentration of power

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in the hands of the government. And if there's nothing else,

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I hope that the left looks at the last one

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hundred hundred and twenty days and says, you know, these

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executive voter things here, let's rethink exactly how this works

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in a democracy, because I'm not crazy about them, and

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I wish that there was an instinctive revulsion on both

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parts to ram stuff through using that. I prefer the

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legislative process, That's what it was set up for. But

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here's the thing. I think Henry's playing with us. I

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think what Henry really means is didn't all of our

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troubles start when women got the vote? And I think

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the reason he thinks that, or he's just playing with us,

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And because it's something that you hear people actually say,

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you know that that wasn't the best idea. I mean,

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I suppose we had to. What they're ascribing to the

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female vote or half of it is a sort of

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out group empathy amongst liberal women who have you know,

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the childless cat ladies that shad Evans was talking about,

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who regarded as a as a for a badge of

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moral superiority, that they have great empathy and uh and

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well desire to help people who are completely outside of

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their own social group, their own social norm, their own cohort,

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their own tribe, whatever, and that this meaningless consequence free

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desire to spread money and gifts and the rest of

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it to populations for whom they have a strange, disconnected

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empathy and sympathy has actually been injurious to the to

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the government, and to the and to society. That that,

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I think is the point that he's trying to make

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us say. And that's something that I hear from somebody.

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I know that that's not the case in your household.

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Speaker 2: Charley, Well, my wife thinks simon a left wing squish,

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So imagine if that is where Henry's driving, then he

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would make an exception for her. Yes, my wife is

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somewhere to the rights of Attila the hun.

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, I can imagine a fun weekend at the

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cook household where she's burrating you for your trigger discipline.

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That is just great. Well, good for you, Good for you,

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good for you. Hey, something else I want to mention, though,

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what is you? Without giving too many details away, what

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does your wife do?

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Speaker 2: She's is, uh, stay at her mum and has been

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since our first child was born.

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Speaker 1: Well, good for her. I was a stay at home

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dad for a while and years and it was the

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best thing I could have possibly done. I do not

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understand anybody who just sort of looks down their nose

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at stay at home parents, because that time doesn't come back,

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and you get to be there at every single moment.

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The bad part about it is that your whole life

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is flowers for Algernon, because they grow up and they

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don't remember any of the things that you keenly recall.

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I mean, I recall when my child was too when

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we were sitting on the floor and we're reading a

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book and we're playing with this toy, and I can

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summon up the slant of the light. I can tell

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you what dog it was, and what his expression was,

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and what was on the television set on Disney Playhouse

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and the rest of it. I'm the only one who's

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got that stuff. My daughter, who had a great time,

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doesn't remember any of it, any of it. And that's

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just life. That's just normal. So I don't know it's

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better than hiring a nannie, That's all I can say.

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I don't even know how you begin to hire a

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we have a question from let me see here. I

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love this one. Don g Well, AI make the thesaurus obsolete?

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That is is nuance in writing dead dash m dash

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only be replaced by the brutalism of bullet points. Well,

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first of all, no, it's not going to make the

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saurus elite. One of my favorite favorite the Thoris stories

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is actually I bought a Rogees. It was a public

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domain copy at some point roges in some iteration went

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into public domain and I bought it. And I was

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looking for something to replace the word idiot. And one

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of the phrases used by the US was he who

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did not invent gunpowder, which cracked me up because it's

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the equivalent he's not a rocket scientist, you know. Then

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look at it. Some drooling fool down there. I he

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didn't invent gunpowder. The problem is the the sort, the sorry,

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00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640
I had enough coffee, I've had too much, I've had

476
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,240
too much plywood did this morning. It's full of archaic

477
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,920
words that you can't slip into conversations anymore. And if

478
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,880
you asked AI to actually go back and find old

479
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,160
Thesaurus words, it would look fake. It would look wrong,

480
00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:34,000
just like they're saying. Now, you can tell something as

481
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:36,599
AI written if it's got an M dash. So no,

482
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,559
I don't think so, But Charles, the general effect of

483
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,079
AI on writing? Can you tell it when you see it?

484
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,759
And do you think that the problem is it's going

485
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:45,279
to get better and we won't be able to tell

486
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:47,079
it when it's uh, when it's obvious.

487
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 2: I think I can tell it. I don't think that

488
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,519
it getting better is necessarily a problem. It might be

489
00:27:55,759 --> 00:28:02,920
if you are a beat reporter whose soul responsibility is

490
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:07,039
to use facts gathered by other people and rewrite them

491
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,200
in a mundane manner. I think that probably is not

492
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:16,960
going to survive AI as a role. But you can't

493
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:23,359
write like George will if you're a computer. And I

494
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,680
know that when I say that, people raise their eyebrows

495
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,559
and say, are you sure. No, I'm not sure. But

496
00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:36,039
let me give you an example of why I think this.

497
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:43,519
There is, at least for now, no soul in generative AI.

498
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:51,400
It is necessarily derivative. I have played with musical AI,

499
00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,960
and I've asked it, for example, to compose a piece

500
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:02,759
in the style of a eight Beethoven symphony or an

501
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,359
Italian Mozart opera or a Tchaikowsky ballet, and it's very

502
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,160
very good at it. It's so good at it, in fact,

503
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,440
that it is possible that we will in a few

504
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:20,039
years have lots more quote unquote Mozart operas. But they

505
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:30,200
are nevertheless or copies or adaptations of Mozart's operas. They

506
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:38,079
are not innovative, they are not new. So AI might

507
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:43,839
be able to ape certain people quite well, but it's

508
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,599
not going to be able to do what George Will

509
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,519
does unless you want every writer to be George Will,

510
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:57,000
or you want every new writer again in quotation marks

511
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,960
to be a facsimile of a writer who has already existed.

512
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,279
And I don't think we do, which is to say

513
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:11,559
I don't think we care if your average blunt styleless

514
00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:15,039
news story is written by a computer. But I do

515
00:30:15,119 --> 00:30:19,480
think we care if the opinion page of the newspaper

516
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,440
is set in amber is always for the rest of

517
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:29,160
time presented by the same people, and the same goes

518
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:34,519
for novels and plays and TV shows and so forth.

519
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:39,119
I think we are going to demand that individuals fill

520
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,920
that role. So I'm not so worried about it replacing

521
00:30:44,079 --> 00:30:48,599
genuine creativity. But the drudge work, yeah, that's going to happen.

522
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: I think you're right what I I mean when you

523
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,240
talk about derivative works. Yes, it's all derivative, but you

524
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,160
can say that for many posers who start out who

525
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,079
are influenced by the work that came before, that they

526
00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:08,359
are derivative of their predecessors. And you certainifind that in

527
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,680
pop music, I mean, if you asked if you asked

528
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:16,640
AI to come up with a highly polished, multi instrument

529
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:23,519
string backed pop group that takes extensive use of Beatles harmonics,

530
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,400
you would get electric light orchestra, because definitely it was

531
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:28,480
very derivative of the Beatles. In a lot of spots

532
00:31:28,559 --> 00:31:31,119
you can find you know, you can find beatless carmonies,

533
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,680
an early cheap trick. That's not a bad thing. They're

534
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,960
taking their learning, they're changing it, or they're dropping it

535
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720
in as a reference, or all of those things. So yeah,

536
00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:42,440
I mean, is it a bad world in which we

537
00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:45,720
actually have twenty Beethoven symphonies and it's gotten so good

538
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,319
that actually two of them have evolved in ways that

539
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,480
Beethoven might have.

540
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,359
Speaker 2: Don't know, but that's the part you see that I

541
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,799
don't think you can do. And to hit my not

542
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:01,839
with a sledgehammer once again sounds painful. I think that

543
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,680
your analogy is spot on, but that it stops chronologically.

544
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,720
So if you look at, say the early Beatles records,

545
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,440
please please me. It was supposed to be a Roy

546
00:32:13,559 --> 00:32:15,799
Orbison song. It was supposed to be slow, and George

547
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:17,799
Martin said, no, you need to speed it up.

548
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Right.

549
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,359
Speaker 2: You could see all the tags hanging off that Tomorrow

550
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,599
never knows was like nothing that had ever been done.

551
00:32:23,799 --> 00:32:26,039
Or if we're looking at Beethoven, a lot of early

552
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:29,240
Beethoven sounded like Mozart because Mozart's Betove was here. But

553
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:31,359
then when you get to the fifth you go, oh

554
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
my god, this is essentially heavy metal in classical music.

555
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,240
I don't think AI can take that step. I don't

556
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,920
think it would have stopped at being Mozart, or it

557
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,640
would have stopped at being Roy Orbison.

558
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:46,519
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, and I wanted to make that point too. Example,

559
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:51,440
you could train you know, the the AI on the

560
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:54,519
first five on the first four symphonies of Maler, and

561
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,160
it would kick those out, but it would not be

562
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,640
capable of coming up with the seventh through the eighth.

563
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,400
It certainly wouldn't be able to come up with the tenth,

564
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,079
the first movement of the tenth because Marler, for all

565
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,000
of his tonality and all of his Viennese antecedents and

566
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:08,799
the rest of it, comes about two notes short of

567
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:10,960
a twelve tone row. And I don't say that like,

568
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640
you know, he's a few cards, you know, having mail short.

569
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,079
I mean, although I hate serial music, so there is

570
00:33:17,119 --> 00:33:18,680
a point to be made that two tones short of

571
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,039
a twelve tone row is a good thing or a

572
00:33:20,079 --> 00:33:22,720
bad thing. But he does there's a dissonant chord that

573
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:27,240
appears in this that that AI would have. I don't

574
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:28,839
think AI would have been able to say, well, I

575
00:33:28,839 --> 00:33:31,400
think Maler's going in this direction. I think he is

576
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,960
anticipating or following Alban bergen work. Check. I think he is.

577
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,720
I think he is realizing that the tonal tradition is

578
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:41,480
dead and he's adapting to it. Or more likely Maler

579
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,119
was just ef and depressed because his family, you know,

580
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,440
his home life was bad, and this was this expression

581
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,799
of great despair. I think he actually, if it wasn't

582
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:53,920
the maybe the ninth. I think it was in the tenth.

583
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,440
He actually just wrote his wife's name just over this

584
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,839
this these measures because he was just freaking out. I

585
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,559
think she was. I don't know if she was Bang

586
00:34:00,599 --> 00:34:04,039
in France, verfal or the architect or what. But I mean,

587
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,480
an AI is not going to have an emotional reaction

588
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,559
and scream out of dissonance court in the middle of

589
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:11,119
the tenth Symphony because his wife, because the AI's wife

590
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,039
is having a problem. It can only extrapolate from histories

591
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,880
and say a number of composers who had domestic problems

592
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,719
that therefore came up with this and therefore and can work.

593
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,719
Now that isn't to say that there isn't some super

594
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,719
intelligence that can't evolve from this. I've read enough, Star Trek,

595
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,000
I've seen enough all of these things to know that

596
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,360
I'm not leaving anything out. But you're right about the

597
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,199
soul lessness of the derivative work as far as other

598
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,360
art forms, though it's entirely possible. In the world of gaming,

599
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,719
the ability of computers to sell enough things on the

600
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,360
fly is going to revolutionize what computer gaming is is

601
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,280
if it hasn't already. And secondly, when the tools of

602
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,360
cinematic creation are as good as I think they're going

603
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,360
to get, it is going to put into the hands.

604
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,760
It's going to put a tool in the hands of

605
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,880
people who otherwise would not have been able to really

606
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,599
create what they do. It is great that us Anderson

607
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:02,079
has the money in the budget to be able to

608
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,920
dress as set as he does, but a lot of

609
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,639
people aren't, and they're going to be able to do

610
00:35:05,679 --> 00:35:09,079
it with Ai the other But I don't know if

611
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,440
you saw this. Elon Musk, I know the hip We're

612
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,960
loving Musk came up tweeted out something the other day.

613
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:18,039
It was the landscape of Mars a video of it,

614
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,159
and said, you know, hoping to go there in twenty

615
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:24,760
twenty five, and then he added something with Optimus Robots.

616
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,559
I had not heard about this before. Have you heard this?

617
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: I did see the tweet, but I'd never heard of

618
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:33,400
it before either.

619
00:35:33,679 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: Sending Optimus robots and a Mars missure, which makes perfect sense.

620
00:35:36,559 --> 00:35:38,440
I mean, I've seen these guys were in cowboy hats,

621
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,679
playing bar me you know, being bartenders, and you know,

622
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,960
doing various interesting things, which I assume is a result

623
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:49,440
of somebody, you know, working the strings behind the But

624
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,039
if he's sending Optimist robots to robots to Lauri's, first

625
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,039
of all, it means probably there's going to be some

626
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,199
human being back of the control room who is in

627
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,800
essence going to be the first person on Mars because

628
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,599
his sensibility, his intellect, all of these things will be

629
00:36:04,639 --> 00:36:07,480
controlling the robots. Second, if there's a bunch of them,

630
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,119
they're going to be doing stuff on Mars, that's fantasm.

631
00:36:10,119 --> 00:36:12,760
They're going to be They're gonna be line dancing like

632
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,880
four Optimist robots, are going to be doing humorous things

633
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,079
up there. We're going to have like the Marx Brothers

634
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,280
on the on the Mars. If it's it changes the

635
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,880
whole thing from a little you know, wall e robots

636
00:36:27,039 --> 00:36:33,039
rolling around and picking up rocks to humanoids reacting as

637
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,559
the behanced to the personalities of the creators of their

638
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:36,639
controllers back on Earth.

639
00:36:36,679 --> 00:36:38,639
Speaker 2: I think is fascinating all right, as long as we

640
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,599
don't have to rescue Matt Damon.

641
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: And I can't we spend entirely too much money on that.

642
00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:45,760
The third time, I think, I think Matt is Matt

643
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,719
Damon and the new Hail Mary movie, which is no,

644
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000
he can't be because he was in the other one.

645
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,320
Don asked another question here and I got to put

646
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,519
it in because it's just too great. James and Charles

647
00:36:54,519 --> 00:36:56,559
have done many guest interviews over the years. Do they

648
00:36:56,559 --> 00:36:57,199
have a favorite?

649
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:02,039
Speaker 2: Charles Well, I did enjoy having Mike Rowe on my

650
00:37:02,639 --> 00:37:06,119
podcast a couple of years ago. Talked about something which

651
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,360
is very dear to my heart and also to Mike Roseheart.

652
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:14,239
That is the over credentialization of our society and how

653
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,519
we can reverse a horrible tendency of looking down on

654
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:23,239
people who have good jobs and skill jobs, but didn't

655
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,559
go to college and don't have a piece of paper

656
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:32,480
that reflects some educational achievement. I thought that was a

657
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:38,199
good one. I enjoyed talking to Andrew Roberts about his

658
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,679
book on Winston Churchill, Walking with Destiny. He also made

659
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,039
the case of a Napoleon, which is a brit I

660
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:49,719
find very difficult to swallow. Yeah, he's a Napoleon defender.

661
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,599
That was very interesting, and he defended King George, iid

662
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:56,039
the real Devil's advocate.

663
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,599
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just asking questions. Yeah right, you know.

664
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: Another good one was with our own Peter Robinson, who

665
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,719
came on and talked about his time in the Reagan

666
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,400
White House and writing the speech. I didn't know any

667
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,320
of the story. I asked him to come on and

668
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,440
tell it, not because I wanted to share it with

669
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,239
the world having been thrilled by it, but because I

670
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,400
knew he'd written the speech, but I didn't know how

671
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,320
he'd got there in the first place, or the details

672
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,599
of its composition, or that he'd been over to West

673
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,639
Germany and seen the war. That was a really solid

674
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,679
oral history of a particular moment in time. Those come

675
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,760
to mind, but there are so many of them you.

676
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: For me, first is the most recent would be Michael Palin.

677
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: Oh.

678
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 1: Just a delightful man and a smart man, and a

679
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,719
cultured man and a good man. You get the feeling.

680
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:51,960
And we talked at length about his book, and I

681
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,480
was just sitting there saying, I'm not going to bring

682
00:38:53,519 --> 00:38:55,000
up Python. I'm not going to bring it up there

683
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,880
everybody brings up Python, and he brings up Python. So

684
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,559
I took that as a as a hint that I

685
00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:02,760
could go down that road. But mostly we spoke about

686
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,559
his family and his great uncle who died in World

687
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,199
War One in the book he'd just written about it.

688
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:10,119
And then we talked about art. He's a keen fan

689
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,760
of a certain style of painting a period of painting,

690
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,119
and I have sympatico with that. So it was just

691
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,760
a great, great conversation. And then he came to a

692
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,440
show that I did in London a year later, and

693
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,360
I just felt like, oh, my good new friend, Michael

694
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,239
Palin's here. Would you like to meet the wife and child?

695
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,079
So I treasure that Donald Rumsfeld and the Ricochet podcast

696
00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:32,519
was fun. As usual for those days. I got to

697
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:37,119
say virtually nothing, but I did get to ask him

698
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:41,679
if he thought that debathification was a mistake, that it

699
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,440
might have been better for post war stability to just

700
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:50,079
include these guys and you know, and roll along, because

701
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:53,440
it's I don't think that anybody really was a committed

702
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,639
bathhist in their heart. It was just simply a state

703
00:39:55,639 --> 00:39:59,239
ideology to which you had to pay ritual obedience. And

704
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,760
he said you know, that's a really good idea and

705
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,239
we don't know, a really good question, and we don't know,

706
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,480
and he said some other things, And I enjoy that

707
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:10,119
moment only simply because whenever the Iraq War comes up,

708
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:11,639
I can say, well, you know, I talked to Donald

709
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:15,440
Barun's bill about that once. And the other finally would

710
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,639
be because it's one of those meet your heroes. But

711
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:19,960
aren't you glad you did? Was William Shatner, who he

712
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,679
interviewed a couple of years ago, who's notoriously prickly. They

713
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,159
say in some interviews can be great and gracious depending

714
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,000
on the topic at the time of the mood. But

715
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,400
I caught him on the notoriously prickly side. And I

716
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,199
didn't ask him any Star Trek questions whatsoever. And he

717
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,119
just he wanted to talk about his new show with

718
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:38,719
Henry Winkler, and we did. But I also wanted to

719
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,440
talk about some old, you know, some bad guy roles

720
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440
that he had played in some movies. He played this

721
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,880
racist Southern preacher who comes into town and stirs up discord.

722
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,199
He's just great, he's just fantastic. I didn't want to

723
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,360
talk about it. It just, you know, and then finally,

724
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,079
at the end of the conversation, I was asking him

725
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,880
how he felt about being in the most recent Star

726
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,480
Trek movie, and he was confused and he didn't know

727
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,719
what I meant. He hadn't seen it. And I explained

728
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:03,880
to him and that at the end of the Star

729
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,480
Trek movie, yeah, they take out a picture and it's

730
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:08,960
a picture of the old Enterprise Bridge crew, you know,

731
00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:12,320
you and everybody else. And he didn't know that, and

732
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,320
he was a bit stunned to find out that. And

733
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,199
I thought, I just spoiled a Star Trek movie for

734
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,760
Captain Kirk, and it was my way of paying him

735
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,800
back for being such a pretty prickly guy. But I

736
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,559
still enjoy talking to him. It was still great. In

737
00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:31,519
a related point, used to See Scrubbs says it's popular culture, film,

738
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,880
TV music at an all time low, and if so

739
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,000
ken it will it recover.

740
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: Charles, I think TV is not at an all time low.

741
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: I agree.

742
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:47,079
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of really good stuff on TV.

743
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,039
I can't sound wildly impressed with movies at the moment, although,

744
00:41:51,039 --> 00:41:54,639
as I've confessed before, I think, to you, James, I

745
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:55,679
am a movie idiot.

746
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: But he who did not invent celluloid, I.

747
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,159
Speaker 2: Think, But I do remember most of the forty years

748
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,159
I've been alive, and it seems to me that there

749
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,960
are fewer and fewer movies that I see advertised or

750
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,079
hear about from other people and conclude that I must watch.

751
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,119
Hopefully that will change. Music I think is generally awful

752
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:26,159
at the moment, with the exception of country music, which

753
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:32,519
my wife likes, which although it's very different country music

754
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:38,320
that I like, Patsy Klein era country music in particular

755
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,719
does seem to be quite good and does seem to

756
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,719
be better than it was fifteen twenty years ago. But

757
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:49,760
generally speaking, music I think is quite poor and derivative

758
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:54,079
and over the top at the moment. So yeah, I

759
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,199
don't think we're in a good place. And this has

760
00:42:56,199 --> 00:42:58,920
disappointed me slightly because I thought a couple of years ago,

761
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,840
when we were in the midst of the worst inflation

762
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,639
for forty years and Joe Biden was president and all

763
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:09,000
these terrible economic theories for coming back, but at least,

764
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:10,760
if we were going to have to live through the

765
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,199
nineteen seventies, could we get the music and the movies,

766
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,000
maybe not the TV.

767
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: And we didn't well, if you've gotten the TV. You

768
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,880
would have gotten a lot of Norman Lear sitcoms, which,

769
00:43:22,199 --> 00:43:26,239
for all their various flaws, at least were consistently funny

770
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:30,079
and consistently dependable. And you had new sitcoms which kind

771
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:31,840
of played around the edges of some of the old tropes.

772
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,519
And mean, you could say the Mary Tyler Moore show

773
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,199
was was quite different from the you know, from the

774
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,159
nineteen fifties housewife shows or the fantasy shows of the

775
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:43,360
sixties where the women were wrinkling their nose to create

776
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,760
magic or doing the genie thing. So somehow it faulted right.

777
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,159
But you also you had a greedy noess to nineteen

778
00:43:51,199 --> 00:43:54,280
seventies television which befit the world. Kojak is no place

779
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,800
in which I would want to live. And you know,

780
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,079
if you look at some of the ones set in

781
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,559
Los Angeles and California, you can see the rot You

782
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,760
can see the rotten nineteen sixty seven dragnet. So I

783
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,920
wouldn't mind the television bag was working within certain constraints,

784
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,239
but it's still at the same time it was frothy,

785
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,159
trivial nonsense with battle the network stars and you know,

786
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,960
a lot of variety gruesome variety shows where the Brady

787
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,519
Bunch come out and do dance routines. But you know, yeah,

788
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:20,920
all of a piece. It was an interesting time film

789
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,159
wise the seventies. Again, Hollywood system was broken. You had

790
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:25,960
the out tours come up and they were being gritty

791
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,000
and the rest of it. But everybody died at the end.

792
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,079
There was no heroism. There's no joy in any of it.

793
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,719
Star Wars changed all that and it was happy and

794
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,239
they got metals at the end, and it was a

795
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,880
great story. And that started the downfall of the whole thing,

796
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,920
I think, frankly, because when you say there aren't any

797
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,480
movies really that you want to watch. We reached a

798
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:46,960
point over the last five six years, thankfully thanks to

799
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:51,559
Marvel and their insistence on this multiverse Phase four whatever stuff,

800
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:55,599
where movies just simply ceased to engage. They became meaningless

801
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,519
slop of endless CGI that nobody could get invested in

802
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:04,519
because we all knew it wasn't true. None of this mattered,

803
00:45:04,559 --> 00:45:06,199
and none of it was real. It was just a

804
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,719
bunch of people standing around in green rooms talking to

805
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,039
each other and what was You know what worked great

806
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,079
with Captain America, the first one by the time you

807
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:16,320
got around to the last slew of marvels. Who cares?

808
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,000
Who cares what this complex Corrodied cosmology is. I don't

809
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,920
so no movies, Yeah, didn't do that. Music don't get

810
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,679
me started. Part of this is is that I was

811
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,000
lucky enough to have the switch off occur at a

812
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,760
point where music became just, you know, empirically objectively worse

813
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:35,960
than it was before. When I hit the point where like,

814
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,119
I'm old and I don't get it. The stuff that

815
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,199
I wasn't getting wasn't as good as the stuff that

816
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,039
I had before. You don't have people playing instruments like

817
00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:45,639
you did before. You don't have songwriters. If you do

818
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,320
have a songwriter, they've thrown out the bridge, they've thrown

819
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:52,159
out the chorus. They are taking an old riff, they're

820
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,400
running it through a compressor and they're pretending that it's new,

821
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,840
or maybe they have tip it, or it's all machine noise.

822
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:03,000
That said, underneath that are a million subgenres in which

823
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,119
people are doing interesting work. My daughter once a week

824
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,000
will send me a story, it will send me a song.

825
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,679
It's amazing that it is stunningly good, and it's one

826
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,480
guy in his basement like Prince used to be. But

827
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,599
it's really good and it busts all the genres and

828
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:21,440
it plays with things and it's you know, and I

829
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,920
will find her something you know from Club de Belugas,

830
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,480
which is a German neo jazz group that put out

831
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,719
something that could have lit up the charts in fifty seven.

832
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:35,440
So yeah, there's stuff under there and it's good. So

833
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,599
will it recover as useless ads. I think it already

834
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:40,679
has and they think it already hasn't. And it's just

835
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,000
a question of keeping your eyes out for the good stuff.

836
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:46,119
As always more stuff now, which means more bad stuff,

837
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:52,480
but more good stuff. On a similar thing, Django Django says,

838
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:54,599
I know nothing about recent movie. So last I watched,

839
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,800
actually rewatched, is tonch of Evil. A couple of videos

840
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,239
on YouTube later that movie where a particular interest. One

841
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,280
was an old interview with Orson Wells and included some

842
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,400
comments from Charlton Heston and Wells made it sound as

843
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,239
though the studio was embarrassed by the movie. The second

844
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,199
video discussed a long quote tracking shot, not the opening sequence,

845
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,440
but rather a longer shot sent in an apartment. Any

846
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,159
thoughts on the movie and Wells's career. All throw that

847
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:17,000
to you, Charles.

848
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 2: First, Wow, I haven't seen it. Okay, Well then you

849
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,519
ought to take this one Wells.

850
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:26,159
Speaker 1: Then he says, it's been a while since. It's a

851
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:30,079
great movie. Wells is fat and bristly and sweaty. And

852
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,119
I loved the movie, and I love Orson Wells. I

853
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:36,159
think he's an absolutely tremendous, uniquely American talent, and I

854
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,719
wish we had more of him. But Wells came up

855
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,320
recently in a discussion with my daughter because we were

856
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,360
talking about Star Trek movies and I noticed I noted

857
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,880
to her that the director of the very first Star

858
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,360
Trek movie was Robert Weiss, who directed Sound of Music

859
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,880
and West Side Story. And you usually just don't think of,

860
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,840
you know, a Star Trek movie directed by the guy

861
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,880
with the same sensibility that gave this West Side Story

862
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,760
and Sound of Music. But it's true, and Weiss is

863
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,960
really good. He also did The Andromeda Strain, which is

864
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,800
not exactly a musical. But Robert Weiss was the film

865
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,559
editor on Citizen Kane, which is the greatest American movie

866
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:15,840
ever made. It's not you know, I'm sorry, it's the

867
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:21,000
greatest American film. The greatest American movie is Casa Blanket.

868
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,000
So what do I think about Well's work? You know,

869
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,880
I love everything practically that he does. Whether or not

870
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,239
it's a misfire or a mistake, or it's over indulgent

871
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:31,599
or the rest of it, I just love it. I

872
00:48:31,639 --> 00:48:37,480
mean his his Shakespeare movie is amazing. Citizen Kane, even

873
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:40,199
though it's a collaborative work, is an astonishing piece of art.

874
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:44,519
The tracking camera, though, the only reason I want to

875
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,760
stick with this one because I could actually do this

876
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,639
on a diner for thirty five minutes. The tracking shot.

877
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,280
The tracking shot was the distinctive element that first got

878
00:48:54,280 --> 00:49:00,159
people's attention in Adolescence. Have you seen Adolescence? Charles Nope? Okay,

879
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,880
Well this is the problem then, because you are now

880
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:07,440
completely out of the conversation, and you are you're not

881
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:11,480
worthy to participate in discussions of youth and in cell culture,

882
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,239
the manisphere and the rest of it, because you haven't

883
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,880
seen the most important movie of television show of our time, Adolescence.

884
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:18,960
That's actually what they told a guy in the BBC

885
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:20,679
the other day when we were talking about knife crime.

886
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:22,840
He said, well, I don't He said, I don't need

887
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,079
to see and he named some long running British BBC

888
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,960
hospital or ITV hospital casualties. I don't need to see

889
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,360
casualties in order to talk about the problems of the NHS.

890
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,039
And they were pulled by that. You mean you haven't

891
00:49:35,039 --> 00:49:37,639
seen adolescents and I saw it before it became a

892
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,559
necessity and a cause celeb in the rest. But the

893
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,920
fascinating thing about the movie the show is that it's

894
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:49,480
one shot and it's not done Jimmy Stewart rope style

895
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,480
where Hitchcock goes behind somebody's back and that's when they're

896
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,400
swapping the reels out, and it's not done Brian de

897
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,440
Palma style, where there's like a couple of moments where yeah,

898
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,320
they're going behind a pillar and oh, they did one shot,

899
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,880
and by the fourth episode of the series you don't

900
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,159
even notice anymore. You may think, oh, we got from

901
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:10,519
the inside of the house and now we're in the

902
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,039
lorry and we're going down the road. That's right, but

903
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,639
you're more interested in what's happening. If it's a gimmick,

904
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,119
it's a great gimmick. Brian de Palmer's tracking shot at

905
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:22,079
the beginning of that Nicholas cage movie. I can't remember

906
00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:24,840
what it was, Snake Eyes, something like that. It's interminable,

907
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,400
but I love it. The tracking shot that begins and

908
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,519
Goodfellas maybe the best in the business, the one an

909
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:33,000
adolescent sets the scene and the stage and the tone

910
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:36,079
and the rest of it. I love them. They're very

911
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:37,559
good wonders and.

912
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: One nineteen seventeen, really did you see that? The Sam

913
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:44,079
Mendez Oh, yes.

914
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:46,639
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes I did. I did, I did?

915
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,639
Speaker 2: I mean I think maybe there's The whole movie is

916
00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:53,159
two continuous tracking shots and as a moment in the

917
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,559
middle where he gets knocked out and it goes dark

918
00:50:55,559 --> 00:50:56,800
and then they start the next one.

919
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:01,519
Speaker 1: Right. So, while it's easier today with drones and smaller cameras,

920
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:02,920
in the rest of it, my hat is off to

921
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:05,280
Orson Wells who had to put these things on cranes

922
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,239
and take them from up there and put them down

923
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,559
the street and into people's rooms and the rest of it.

924
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:12,679
It's just great. And the day that we forget the

925
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,840
artistry and the contribution of Orson Wells is a sad

926
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,760
day in America. Here's one for you, Charles, in commemoration

927
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,760
is from the honorable mister Fancy pants in commemoration of

928
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,079
the Florida Gators winning both the NCAA championship. Here's a

929
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:29,519
movie sports related question in Charles's opinion and mine too,

930
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,800
what is your favorite sports movie and why?

931
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 2: It's a lot of great sports movies. I do like

932
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,480
the trilogy of Kevin Costner baseball movies, and I think

933
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:44,320
the last one in I won't call it a series,

934
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,239
but the trio for the Love of the Game is

935
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,440
much better than people think it is. The other two

936
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:55,119
coals are famous, the Bull Durham and my Goodness, difficult

937
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:56,519
in the name of it. If you build it, they

938
00:51:56,599 --> 00:52:02,039
will come. Field of Dreams, Field of Dreams. Chariots of

939
00:52:02,119 --> 00:52:08,119
Fire is a really great sports movie, although it's about running,

940
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:09,920
which is not something I spend too.

941
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: Much time too. Yes, yes, it is. Anything else come

942
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:15,480
to mind.

943
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,159
Speaker 2: I think it might be Chariots of Fire.

944
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,679
Speaker 1: Okay, I think that means rollerball, perhaps, I think because

945
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,159
I'm just a child of that era. And then there's

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a Burt Reynolds sports movie. I don't remember anything about it. It

947
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,199
was based on a famous book that told that ripped

948
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the mask off professional football, and the only reason I

949
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think I went to see it as a teenager, even

950
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though you know you went to the movies to see movies, right,

951
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you didn't necessarily want to see this one, but you

952
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went to the movies and this was your choice. Was

953
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because I think one of the product demonstrators from The

954
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Price Is Right was supposed to be topless in the

955
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first five minutes of it. And you never had a

956
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kind of crossover like that in your life. You never

957
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had the presenter from The Price Is Right being toolis

958
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in a movie. You just didn't, but you did, and

959
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,960
then we were. It was remarkable, and I think it

960
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was Janus. I think it may indeed been Janus. All

961
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I remember about the movie that's it, which means maybe

962
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a function of age. I'm not exactly sure. You get

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to my age and you think, did I forget that

964
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simply because people forget things and it wasn't worth noting

965
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in the first place? Or am by aging? Well, I

966
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know I'm aging doing my best to forestall it. Though

967
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diet helps, exercise helps, and the rest of it. But

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We've got great questions, and I would love to go

1001
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:16,880
for another hour, but Charles has to be somewhere and

1002
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:18,480
I have to have lunch, So I think we'll end

1003
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:24,639
with something like Frothy from Yurobe, who asks what which

1004
00:55:24,639 --> 00:55:27,960
great opponent of Cartesian dualism resists the reduction of psychological

1005
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,079
phenomenon to a physical state and insists there is no

1006
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:34,559
point of contact between the extended and the unextended? Is

1007
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:40,280
it REGINALD Maudlin, Yes, that's absolutely correct, it is indeed,

1008
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,079
reginal Maudlin. Whin I'm from one more Gary McVay says,

1009
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:46,920
how's the lawfair situation going? Is Ricochet currently okay against frivolous, stupid,

1010
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:52,599
cash hungry, idiologically motivated attacks dealing with photographs? Maybe? If so,

1011
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:54,599
how can we help defend it? Interesting?

1012
00:55:57,039 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: Well, we took action against this was a serious problem.

1013
00:56:03,079 --> 00:56:08,639
We have for now forestalled the worst offenders. I know

1014
00:56:09,159 --> 00:56:12,599
that as a result, there are a lot of posts

1015
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:17,760
that were promoted that are no longer accessible. This will

1016
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:22,840
be resolved in Ricochet five is built in to the system.

1017
00:56:23,079 --> 00:56:26,159
It has been built into the system. That work is complete.

1018
00:56:26,679 --> 00:56:28,840
We can't do it before then for a bunch of

1019
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,119
technical reasons. If we do, it'll be very hard to

1020
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,119
go back. This is a problem on the broader Internet.

1021
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:41,840
This hasn't just affected Ricochet. I am involved, in one

1022
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,199
way or another with a bunch of other organizations that

1023
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,920
have been targeted in exactly the same way, some of

1024
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:52,079
them in even more cynical ways than we have. But

1025
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,280
the good news is that as of now, touch would

1026
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,000
we have fought off those attacks. I think in the

1027
00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:05,159
long run, Congress I hear you laughing already is going

1028
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:09,199
to have to act to change the rules around this

1029
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:16,000
because the intention of the nineteen seventy eight. I think

1030
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:22,000
perhaps seventy six Copyright Act and various court decisions across

1031
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,280
the country was clearly not to create a situation in

1032
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:33,360
which anyone who posts a picture, including on Twitter or Facebook,

1033
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:36,599
for which they don't own the copyright, is liable to

1034
00:57:36,639 --> 00:57:42,800
be harassed by horrible ambulance chasing lawyers from California. The

1035
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:44,519
long run, we're going to need a legisla to fix.

1036
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:48,159
But until we have that, especially given the arena in

1037
00:57:48,199 --> 00:57:50,840
which we operate, we are going to have to be careful.

1038
00:57:52,039 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 1: Agreed, there are the questions that we're posed by the members,

1039
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,480
and I'm going to go back into the thread and

1040
00:57:57,559 --> 00:57:59,360
to answer the ones that we didn't have the time for.

1041
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,119
Great questions as usual from a smart bunch of people.

1042
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:04,199
And if you're the sort of person who's enjoyed this

1043
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,840
podcast and the others that proceeded the seven hundred and

1044
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,079
thirty five, and you're not a member yet, then I

1045
00:58:09,079 --> 00:58:11,440
don't know what we got to do. Frankly, it's probably hopeless.

1046
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,280
We can't reach you. But if you're one of those

1047
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:16,800
persons on the fence on the CUSP, you know you

1048
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,199
can go to Ricochet and there's a whole members feed

1049
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,480
where the communities and the other topics, and the non

1050
00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:24,519
political stuff and the fun stuff and the politically and

1051
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:26,199
correct stuff, and the memes of the day, and the

1052
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:28,239
radio shows and the songs and the rest of it.

1053
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,159
The full panoply of American culture, forward and backward is

1054
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,039
there and it can be yours for just you know,

1055
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:37,559
pennies a day. As we like to say, we'd like

1056
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,039
to thank of Bamboo HR and Quality of Synalytics for

1057
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,199
sponsoring the show. We'd like to thank you for giving

1058
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,800
us good ratings wherever you happen to find it. I'd

1059
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,000
like to thank you Charles for being with me here today.

1060
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:48,960
It's been a great pleasure. And we'll see everybody in

1061
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the comments at Ricochet four point zero. Bye bye,