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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, we have a fun guest episode today. I

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have my very good friend and fellow astrologer, Maxine Lucia

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on the podcast, so we're going to get into that

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interview right after this intro. And I wanted to have

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her on because some of you may already be familiar

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with Maxine in her work, because I used to have

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a podcast with her called Astrology in You, which we

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did from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three. It's

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currently on hiatus.

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Speaker 2: We don't have.

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Speaker 1: Plans to bring it back at the moment, but never

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say never, and we kind of get into why we

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stop doing that podcast throughout this episode. But I also

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wanted to have Maxine on because she has a very

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unique approach to astrology. She practices what we call spiritual astrology,

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so looking at your birth chart and transits through more

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of this like evolutionary karma, spiritual lens, and we get

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we get into what all of that means throughout this episode.

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But I do want to start having more astrologers on

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because every astrologer has a very unique approach to their

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practice and there's different takeaways to learn from everyone when

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studying astrology, and that in turn can help you figure

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out what type of astrology and what techniques resonate the

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most with me, and maybe you take a bit from

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each person or each astrologer that you're drawn to. But yeah,

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throughout this episode, we go over a few different topics. First,

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we start out by talking just in general about what

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spiritual astrology is. Then we also go back and forth

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about what parts of the chart we like to look

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at when we're giving a reading. And then we get

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more into this discussion about how to tap into your

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intuition and really learn how to trust yourself through looking

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at certain chart placements. So I thought that was really

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interesting to touch upon, and she gives some great insights

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into that. And then I just have my notes here

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about what we went over. So yeah, we go over

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like spiritual astrology in general, and then we get into

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so she recently moved from the US to Spain back

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in twenty twenty three, and that's a question I get

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asked about a lot, is the timing of undergoing a

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bigger move or possibly even moving abroad. So we get

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into transits that supported that move for her, or other

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transits you might want to look at. And then we

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also go back and forth on like what our least

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and what our least favorite, and what our most favorite

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transits are in general, before wrapping up with astrology that

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we're looking forward to in the rest of twenty twenty

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five and I think also maybe into twenty twenty six

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and twenty twenty seven to two. So yeah, there's a

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lot we got into in this episode, and I hope

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you enjoy it. And I love magazine and she tells

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you where to follow her at the end of the episode,

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but I've also included this in the description of this

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YouTube video, so.

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Speaker 2: Check that out.

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Speaker 1: Book a reading with her, sign up for her course,

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follow her on Instagram. She's great and I hope you

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enjoyed this episode. Hi Maxine, welcome to the podcast. I'm

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so excited to have you here. How are you doing good?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I'm so happy to be here. And

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it feels so weird because it just feels like another

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one for he calls.

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Speaker 1: But no, it's been like two years since we recorded

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a podcast together. But we still like catch up all

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the time, obviously, but it's weird to be back like recording.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I have to remind myself that this is

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gonna other people will be listening to it. But I

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feel like that's always like even when we had our podcast,

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it felt like that too, like, oh, other people will hear.

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Speaker 1: This, but yeah, yeah, maybe we should addressed the elephant

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in the room right off the bat, like for anyone

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who's new to Maxine and just like found my podcast.

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Maxine and I used to have a podcast together, Astrology

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in You, which we did from twenty twenty one to

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twenty twenty three, and then we just stopped doing it

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and never really explained why. But that's just I would

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say that just kind of like when we're done with something,

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we're done with something.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, how did you feel? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean it's really funny because I've I'm thinking

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back to that time in our life. I feel like

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we were both had so much going on in our

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lives separately, and yeah, we were just like, oh, we're

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kind of done, like it's just come to a natural

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pause for now. And I mean, I have a scorpio stellia,

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my moon's there, so I'm very much like when I'm done,

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I'm just okay onto the next thing. I think you're

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that way too.

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Speaker 2: Als.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like it was just like a stressful

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twenty twenty three was so stressful in our lives, and

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I just remember like one Saturn moved into Pisces and

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there was just like a different vibe it that year.

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We were just like, wait, like we cannot keep up

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this podcast anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I got.

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Speaker 3: Married, then you got married.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and it was I had like my book coming

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out and it was just like very overwhelming. And I

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mean it's on hiatus right now, so never say never,

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but yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if we weren't always we'd talk over the

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phone and Alice and I would say we need to

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we need to do another episode to like explain to people,

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but it's just, yeah, it just didn't happen all now, So.

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Speaker 2: I know, Well, I'm glad you're here.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to start off by saying, like what

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your sun and sun moon and rising are? You just

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said you had a scorpio stelium, but yeah, would love

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to hear the rest of your chart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Alice has nine memorized for sure, But yeah, I'm

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a taurist's sun, scorpio moon and a Gemini rising.

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Speaker 2: Love.

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Speaker 1: I love Gemini rising people. I have like so many

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of them in my life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense for your chart, it's your eleventh

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house of Friends.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting how like we do have such different charts,

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Like we have a different element rising sign. I guess

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our sun signs are both in fixed signs, but like

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your moon, my moon, it's like in different signs and elements,

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not different element, but different modality. And it's still crazy

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how we'll feel a transit in a very similar way.

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And we talk about this all the time. It's like

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we like the way we felt like Saturn and Pisces

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in the same way of like different how different parts

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of our lives are activated at the same time and

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we go through very similar things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so wild how Alice and I we we're

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always i mean similar or tangential themes are coming up

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in our lives almost at the same time. Whenever we talk,

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there will be something happening for Alice that is happening

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in some way for me too in a different way,

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Like we feel and pick up on the same themes

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because the transits maybe it's going over your sun, but

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it's affecting my mid heaven or yeah, just the way that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like even though we have different Big three, it's

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like we still have these like very powerful sinistry matchups,

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and I think like it's because of that, Like my descendant,

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you're mid Heaven, are both at like thirteen fourteen Aquarius.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, like right on top of each other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's how I wanted to have you on

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because I just feel like the way we talk about

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transits and catch up about astrology, we're always like on

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the same page somehow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And whenever we're talking to we'll always just say

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we should just be recording this because I feel like

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we're people would find this entertaining, I know. Yeah, and

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it is interesting too. Always think it's funny how Jesse

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has a similar chart to me in many ways too.

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So it really just shows, yeah, like how you're attracted

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to certain energy because your soul is oh right, this

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person has something to teach me and it activates certain

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potentials in you, and like you know, you're drawn to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is very interty because like you're one of

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my closest friends and then Jesse's obviously my husband who

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I'm like very close with. But it's like you're not

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just like a random friend, Like you have a similar closeness.

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Speaker 2: That I would have to my own husband.

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Speaker 1: And it's because, like I guess, because you have similar

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chart placements to him, I just feel comfortable around like

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a Scorpio moon, a Taurus sun, that type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's so wild. I mean, sinistry is so

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fascinating because you start to notice once you actually know

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the astrology types of people around, you can see and

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pick up on those themes so easily, and you'll see

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those patterns that those people keep coming into your life

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over and over again until you kind of learn your

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lesson there or otherwise it's just that person's meant to

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be in your life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that is really interesting. Well, I want to

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ask questions about you. Enough about me, more about you.

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What I want to talk about like the type of

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astrology you practice, and like what your approaches to astrology

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and what you enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Doing the most.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of questions at once, so

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maybe just start out by talking about, like what type

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of astrology do you practice?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm a spiritual astrologer, so that's like an evolutionary,

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soul based approach, karmic approach to astrology. And basically how

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I use astrology is seeing how that how astrological patterns

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in your birth chart or transits show up with the

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purpose of your soul, and so it's it's kind of

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that spiritual interpretation of your chart. So that's d a

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nuts such. It's kind of like astrology. I think sometimes

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when you're looking at your birth chart, for example, you

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learn a lot about yourself. It has a self analysis

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that can prove to be so helpful. But I feel

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like the way that I like to look at charts

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is from this soul awareness kind of approach.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to ask, like, do you look at

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the chart as a whole to figure that out? Because

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I know it's like there's things like sad is thought

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to be of as karmic, or like the north and

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south nodes. But I think, like what I'm getting from

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you saying is that you really need to take like

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that whole chart into consideration exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, from a spiritual approach, everything in your

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birth chart is karmic in some way, because I the

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chart itself is showing you and this incarnation your soul is.

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It's showing you the patterns from your past, but also

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what you've come here to learn or what lessons you

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are here to learn. But also what you're here to overcome,

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what gifts you have, what strengths, what shadows all of that.

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So everything in your chart is karmic in the way

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that I look at it. Yeah, it's not just a

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certain planet.

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Speaker 2: I do love that, and I believe in it too.

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Speaker 1: It's like I believe like the birth chart is that

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like blueprint of your life and like what your potential

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is in this life, and like what you came here

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to accomplish. And then the timing to that birth chart,

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like through transits or so returns or whatever, shows when

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those different potentials become unlocked and you like really step

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into that bigger purpose for yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that's exactly something you said that's really important

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from that spiritual approach is your birth chart shows you

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those potentials and even the transits is showing you that

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energy that's being activated. So again another potential or possibility.

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But from the way that I read charts, it's you're

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co creating with what you see in the charts. So

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your birth chart isn't what's going to happen. It's showing

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you a map that you can work with, that you

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can use for that soul guidance and you can see

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messages of what you need to know at any point,

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like if you go to get a reading or you're

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looking at your own chart, you pick up on just

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what your soul needs to hear even to help you

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in that part of your life.

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Speaker 2: I love.

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Speaker 1: That's what I found interesting because we've both been practicing

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astrology for about like seven years now, I think since

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twenty eighteen, and it is interesting scene over time, with

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the knowledge of astrology, how I'll grow into different parts

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of my chart that when I first started doing astrology

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maybe I didn't understand that part of my chart fully.

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Speaker 2: Like for instance, like with Pluto.

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Speaker 1: Entering Aquarius and like getting close to my Aquarius sun,

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I just find myself like very much feeling more Aquarius

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in a way I have never felt in my entire life,

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like more community, like I want to do stuff for

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other people, I want to be more connected with friends,

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whereas before maybe it was more about my Pisce's moon,

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like very escapism, like want to be alone. Do you

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find that too, like over the years, you've kind of

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grown into different parts of your chart.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah. And it's even interesting because so you have

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your birth chart, but certain parts of it are kind

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of lying dormant, So there's all these latent possibilities, and

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it's almost as if your birth trip comes this mine

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field in a good way too. But you're, yeah, what

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you said about Pluto's approaching your son, so you're that

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it's coming online, it's being activated, and I see that

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in you so much. So that's so cool that you

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feel that. And then before that, like we've had all

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those transits to Pisces with Neptune in Saturn and yeah,

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so yeah, exactly, but there's always more for your soul

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to evolve into, and so you're, yeah, the transits activate that.

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Speaker 1: What's your when you're giving a reading? Like what placement

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do you like to look at first in someone's chart?

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Is there something where your eye immediately goes to that?

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Speaker 3: So I really feel like at this point, Alice, I

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bet you feel similarly. So let me know. I'm really

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curious what you would say to that question too. But

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it's really more so now the zoomed out kind of

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approach where I see it and there's something that catches

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my eye almost intuitively, but from more of an approach,

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from like a spiritual perspective. The lunar nodes are always

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something that I'm drawn to in every reading right away

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because that speaks a lot to the soul's karmic past

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and you know where you're headed in this lifetime. But

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also just the sun moon rising I think often gets

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that's something that just helps to anchor yourself to a chart,

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and then it gets deeper from there too. But the

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outer planets karmic aspects. Yeah, I mean there's it kind

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of just all comes together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of looking at it and getting like

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an intuitive vibe overall of how that is. It's interesting

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how like as an astrologer, like intuition and the chart

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work together at once. Like sometimes before reading, I'll just

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like get a sense of like something I need to

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tell that person, Like I'm like analyzing the chart, but

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like maybe a random interpretation of a placement will come

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to me that I like normally wouldn't tell someone else

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that out a similar chart or something like that.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's so I believe that fully because you're I mean, Alice,

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your chart is so you're so intuitive too, I mean

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that's so real. Yeah, I mean that's a strong I

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can see how I mean, even for me, I was

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thinking about this actually when you said that because I

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think it's also a really maybe it's kind of the

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water moon. You know, you have a Piscey's moon, I

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have a Scorpiod moon. I feel like, especially in readings

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where it's that one to one emotional kind of connection,

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it allows me to just that's where my intuition just

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is activated so much too, So I feel like, and

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that's true for a lot of people, but I see

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that as for me something where when you're talking to

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that person, it's cool how you'll get certain messages or

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you'll start to say an interpretation, or the words come

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out in a way that sometimes I'm like, is that

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even me speaking? Because that's not something that like you

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realize you're channeling something unique to that soul that needs

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they need to hear that, and that where usually I

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might phrase it differently.

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Speaker 2: That's so interesting.

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Speaker 1: I'm also just thinking about how all your Scorpio planets,

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like you have Moon and Scorpio, I know you have

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Jupiter and Scorpio like fall in the six house, and

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that's kind of like that intuitive deeper connection comes through

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in the type of work that you do, which is

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six house. So it's like very literal in that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very literal. I love when astrology does that

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where you just feel that's very obvious the interpretation, like

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it's so cool. How yeah, your chart can just manifest

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in these ways, but you just see very obviously.

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Speaker 1: And also one question I wanted to ask you about is,

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like we've talked about this a bit before, is how

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you people like wanting to tap into their intuition more

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that can sometimes be seen by like certain chart placements

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of like how you may have an easier time unlocking

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like intuitive gifts or like listening to yourself more like

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you've said before with like I think this is probably

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due to like not only the Scorpio planets, but also

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your twelfth house sun. How like you'll get a lot

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of information or like foreshadowing type of things through dreams,

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whereas I with Jupiter in my third house, I need

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to be writing and like communicating with my self through

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words on a page. Do you want to speak to

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like how people might find like how they can tap

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into their intuition by looking at their own chart.

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Speaker 3: Ooh yeah, I love that question. Oh yeah, I think

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I mean even just backing up because I was just

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talking about the moon and we were touching on that

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because again that you can look there's so many different

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things I would look to for intuition and how that

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showed up because everyone is intuitive, everyone is psychic, Like

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those are skills you can develop, like muscles. So I

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don't feel like, oh, if you know, like I'm a

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Scorpio moon, you're a Pisces moon. That doesn't mean that

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you know, it's beyond just that, but that is a

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really good place to start to look at your chart

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to see the moon sign because that has such a

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connection with your innermost self and where you're relate, you're

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connected to the subconscious, and yeah, that's an awesome place

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to start to develop almost the qualities of the sign

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and that helps unlock your intuition. And yeah, and even

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the moon's placement by house and like starting there, Like

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I even think about in your chart, Alice, your moon

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is in the eighth house, and that has such a

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depth to it and just kind of I feel like

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sometimes when I'm talking to you, you just have like

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you see deeper than ordinarily someone might and you're just

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able to kind of I don't know, you almost have

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like this instinct about it too, And I think that's

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your mars maybe in the Twelfth House where you just

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have this kind of gut feeling of like, oh is

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it this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's very interesting. I was also going

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at thinking like the Eighth House moon. I find too,

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it's like the I don't know how to phrase this,

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but I just like have such an interest in the

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process of like both life and death and like how

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we enter this world and how we leave it. I

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don't know if that really ties back into what we

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were saying about intuition, but kind of just like looking

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at life is a bigger picture in that way.

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Speaker 3: And even sometimes your moons placement can show you what

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helps you tap into your intuition, but also the themes

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that you're more intuitive about, so you might be more

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intuitive about, like I don't know, with the Ape House,

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births and deaths and those kind of themes might even

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come up, or more intense emotional experiences or you know,

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the psychology of a person, like all those aph House themes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's really interesting. Well, I love hearing it.

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It's like so weird. As an astrologer, it's like hearing

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someone else interpret your own chart. You see stuff you

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normally wouldn't catch. I guess yeah, like the last thing

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I'm gonna say too. I also for intuition, it's fun

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to look to see where Neptune in Urinus are placed.

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And it's interesting because obviously for both of us they're

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in the same sign and house just based on.

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Speaker 3: When we're born. But for yours, like you have that

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channeling writing practice that you do almost is it not

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every day that you do that?

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Speaker 2: I do it.

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Speaker 1: I was doing it more regularly when transit Saturn was

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right on my moon, because I feel like I had

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to for like mental sanity. But now I just feel

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like more when I'm super emotional or there's a specific

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problem going on, I'll.

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Speaker 2: Turn to like journaling and automatic kind of writing.

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, yeah, because it's kind of a ritual at least,

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you know. And that's the sixth house. I feel like

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we're even the structure of Capricorn that you have Uranus

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and Neptune placed and like, because I think it helps

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almost to have sometimes the structure in that case for

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your intuition to flow more easily, like a way of

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activating it.

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Speaker 1: And so notice like going back to a six house

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like health and taking care of myself and not drinking

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alcohol anymore. Helps me tune into my intuition, which could

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be tied to six too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, big time. And also, I mean this is kind

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of a side topic, but I felt, I mean, when

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I stopped drinking a long while back, I also realized

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something similarly. And it just feels like a lot of

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people I've noticed that same theme where they stop drinking

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and then they realized how much more intuitive they really are.

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And I think a reason why I had drank so

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much when I was younger, it was just because, yeah,

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just kind of you don't know what to do with it,

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like when you feel so deeply or when you have

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such a strong intuition and you're like, where is that

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coming from?

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Speaker 2: What is this?

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Speaker 3: You just almost kind of numb it out or block

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it out through alcohol or you know, whatever that is

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for you. So so yeah, it's kind of cool when

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you start to embrace your intuition more and take care

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of your health and you notice like, oh, it's all connected.

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Like even though we're souls here in these human bodies,

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you have to take care of your human body because

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it's all in your connected.

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: Like teens and twenties just did not want to be

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connected to my emotions, Like it was either TV or

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alcohol for me, just wanting to check out of my life.

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Speaker 3: But also like because of that too, like when you

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are drinking, you're kind of not in your body, you know,

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like you're just not there, You're not checked in, so

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it's almost like no one's home, you know. So anyway,

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that's why I think too, a lot of people who

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are very spiritual or very sensitive or you know, see

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more than what the average person does. It like that's

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why they're driven to maybe you know, less helpful forms

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of dealing with that.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's interesting, Like I feel like that's all

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kind of tied into like six twelve house stuff in

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the chart, and both of us have.

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Speaker 3: A lot of that prevalent, yeah, because you're not taught

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to deal with that stuff, and when you are. I remember,

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even like when I was younger mentioning things and even now,

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like when I tell someone I'm an astrologer, or when

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I say things like I mean, you take it very normally.

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But when I say, oh, yeah, like I saw this

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in a dream and then it happened like normally, people

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are like, oh, that's really freaky. You know, like that's

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not normal, and yeah, so it's cool when you get

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older and you're like, oh, you can develop these things

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and it's very real. We just weren't taught how to

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work with it and to actually develop your gifts because

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they are gifts. But like, yeah, we're not taught that.

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Speaker 1: Like everyone has the ability. It's just about learning to

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trust it. I guess that's something I learn as I

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get older, Just learning to trust those like hits that

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come in or synchronicities that happen that definitely aren't random.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's is.

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Speaker 3: Really cool and there's so many different tools to do that.

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And I obviously we love astrology because it is one

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of those tools where you can build this awareness to

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pinpoint certain things that are coming up for you, like

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whether it's about your life or your purpose or your

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challenges that you face in life or whatever it is,

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or intuition, like you can actually get information and then

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start developing it in your real life. So it's such

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a good tool. Actually, astrology, I feel like when it's

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used as it's intended, it really can help guide you

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and your intuition and just really anything. I mean, astrology

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applies to all aspects of our lives.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was also going to say there's like certain timing,

477
00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:49,839
certain transits that come along where like leaning into that

478
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,799
part of yourself is a bigger theme. Like I know

479
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,720
you recently went through Jupiter going through your twelves house

480
00:24:55,759 --> 00:24:58,440
when it was a tourus, and I have that transit

481
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
coming up like next month. I was like, Vaccine, I'm

482
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,599
freaking out about Jupiter in the twelfth house, can you

483
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,880
please give me some positive advice? And you were like, look,

484
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,480
you're going to become much more spiritual. But also like

485
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:15,200
Saturn and Pisces too, just like in general for everyone,

486
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,319
I feel like that's been a bigger focus since twenty

487
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,559
twenty three for like collective world.

488
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:25,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, Saturn in Pisces is helping everyone across the

489
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,720
poort needing to deal with the kind of hidden emotions

490
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,279
or things that we've kind of tried to not deal

491
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:35,400
with or sweep under the rug, and just finding ways

492
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,920
to actually work with your emotions or work with your

493
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,480
spiritual connection too.

494
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,319
Speaker 1: So are there any other transits you notice besides I

495
00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,960
guess Saturn em Pisces or Jupiter in your twelfth where

496
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,680
you have been called to like slow down and I

497
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,519
don't know, some maybe something difficult to happen in your

498
00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,359
life where you've been like, oh, I need to focus

499
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:01,319
on my inner self because stuff's really not happening happening externally.

500
00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:07,079
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, so the you know, like in spiritual astrology,

501
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,519
i'd call it the soul houses, but the fourth House,

502
00:26:09,599 --> 00:26:14,200
the Eighth House, and the twelfth House whenever there's especially

503
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,319
an outer planet transit, but even Mars going through there,

504
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,119
which Alice, you've had that recently.

505
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,319
Speaker 1: I hate Mars, like in any Mars, Fourth House I

506
00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:23,359
think I hate it most of all.

507
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,519
Speaker 2: The Twelfth House is pretty difficult too. It's a toss up.

508
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 3: Three ways die. Yeah, I think those transits they always

509
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,920
throw you back on yourself though, definitely, and they ask

510
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:38,720
you to look within and to process hidden emotions or

511
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,000
things going on beneath the surface. And also in turn,

512
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:45,960
when you are dealing with that, then you're you're being

513
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,839
more authentic to yourself and you're actually facing your truth,

514
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,279
and I think that contributes to feeling more spiritual and

515
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:56,559
connected to yourself rather than being distracted, you know, by

516
00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,519
the noise of what's going on around you.

517
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, even though those transits are always so difficult.

518
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,759
Speaker 2: In the moment when they're over, I'm.

519
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: Like, Okay, I actually am glad that happened, Like I

520
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,839
wouldn't have developed that tool for coping with my mental

521
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:13,279
health or like, for instance, like I only got that

522
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,039
journaling practice of writing to myself and listening to what

523
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,279
my intuition would say back because Saturn was in my

524
00:27:21,319 --> 00:27:23,759
eighth house on my moon and I was like very

525
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,480
in a bad emotional place. So it's like that you've

526
00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:29,359
got to have that transit to trigger you to learn

527
00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:30,920
something important about you.

528
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:36,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is such a rough chancet that you've been having, Aliside.

529
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:40,759
I remember when I had Saturn crossover my moon and

530
00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:43,359
then at a different time in my life when it

531
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:47,079
went through my eighth house, tons of grief like that,

532
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:52,160
those separately merit some checking in for friends, but those

533
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,880
two on top of each other are like, Wow, you know,

534
00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:56,319
like you've been through a lot.

535
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree.

536
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, like, I feel like it's

537
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,880
kind of misunderstood when I say, and I'm an astrologer,

538
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,599
maybe this is for you to like people just assume

539
00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:12,240
we just do readings and that's like all there is

540
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:15,480
to work. I wanted to ask what your favorite part

541
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,319
about being an astrologer is, Like, what's your favorite part

542
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:19,960
of your work?

543
00:28:20,039 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: Like what are you like doing the most?

544
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: Oh I love this. Okay, you have to answer this

545
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,160
one too. It's so funny because I feel like I'm

546
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,319
remembering back to be at our podcast. We'd always like

547
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:34,480
share and I'm like, oh, you're such a good interviewer. Else, yeah,

548
00:28:34,599 --> 00:28:38,160
I would say so. For me, I really love giving readings,

549
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,240
like when i'm I have seasons of life where I'm

550
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,160
more excited about that than others. I know we've talked

551
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,240
about that too, and it shows up in your chart.

552
00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:53,279
But yeah, you know, I like giving readings when especially

553
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:57,079
it's someone who's super open minded and you know, like

554
00:28:57,319 --> 00:29:01,759
that's always fun, or returning client this is so fun.

555
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:05,559
But I think what I really love, and I think

556
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:10,240
we both do, is just teaching others how to use astrology,

557
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,119
and for me in like a very spiritual way of

558
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,200
being able to look at your chart and be like, oh,

559
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,319
that's why I'm spiraling right now, or that's when that's

560
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:19,839
the light at the end of the tunnel, like this

561
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,640
is when it's the right time for this, Like I

562
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,799
can fully be present in this moment because you know,

563
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:28,559
just being able to teach people that, because that's something

564
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,200
that has helped me in my life. I know you too,

565
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720
out of so, yeah, I love teaching, whether it's like

566
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:41,680
YouTube or Instagram or like horoscopes or or my astrology school.

567
00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:45,200
Of course. Yeah, I think that's my favorite because it

568
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,119
just feels so empowering to get to share that because

569
00:29:48,119 --> 00:29:51,000
once you learn astrology, it is that skill for life

570
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,720
that you can have to put in your toolbox to

571
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,119
always come back to if you need still a little

572
00:29:56,119 --> 00:29:57,480
extra TLC.

573
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: You can't unsee.

574
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,319
Speaker 1: I like that you said the teaching part because I

575
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,240
kind of feel like sometimes there'll be moments over the

576
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:07,640
years while get kind of lost or like stuck in

577
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,000
comparison mode, and at those times it is helpful to remember,

578
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:14,079
like my purpose is to teach. It's not to get

579
00:30:14,119 --> 00:30:17,119
a lot of followers on social media. It's not to

580
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,200
get attention in this way. It's like to teach and

581
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,319
share knowledge. So it's always helpful to come back to that.

582
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,079
And that's where like I don't feel as lost or

583
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,640
directionless in my business.

584
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, totally yeah, I same. I mean it's

585
00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,519
really helpful too when you see like your purpose in

586
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,000
a chary, like you just mentioned the teaching part, which

587
00:30:38,039 --> 00:30:42,039
I see so clearly for you. Yeah, and you're like, oh,

588
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:45,920
it's it's bigger than me. It's not even something that

589
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,640
you can control. I mean, you're not going to be

590
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,759
satisfied if you're living out of your purpose. So it

591
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:54,680
helps to look at your astrology or feel into it

592
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,759
and like feel what that is for you. Yeah.

593
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: I think I like writing the mode thought of what

594
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,559
I do, like teaching through writing, whereas I kind of

595
00:31:03,559 --> 00:31:05,720
feel like you have a better skill of like teaching

596
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:10,160
through talking and like courses and stuff. Sometimes I feel

597
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,759
like I can't express myself fully unless it's in writing.

598
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,400
But I guess you could see that from my chart

599
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,480
with like Jupiter ruling the North's node and it's placed

600
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:21,079
in the third house.

601
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 3: But yeah, well, I feel like you're very good at it,

602
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,680
but you're humble, humble about it maybe or you don't

603
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,920
see it. Maybe maybe it's the chiren playing with you, yeah,

604
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:37,119
on your sundant, but yeah, definitely with words. I mean,

605
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,599
Jupiter in your third house is really strong. Yeah. I like,

606
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,640
I feel like what's really fun for me is when

607
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440
I get to especially connect with people like with words,

608
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,119
for sure. I prefer just like talking like this, and

609
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,200
especially when I get to top one on one with

610
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,519
people are in small groups like in SaaS. When I

611
00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:58,519
get to do that, it's really fun because I feel

612
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:03,319
like I get to know the person and it's yeah,

613
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:05,319
you just get to connect with them and then know

614
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,720
exactly what they need to hear because everyone is like

615
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:11,880
they like the way that you need to learn astrology

616
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,559
is almost different for each person. I also was a teacher.

617
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:15,559
Maybe that's why.

618
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you were a teacher before you were an astrologer.

619
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:22,200
You taught elementary school, right, yes, yeah, was there a

620
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,559
specific grade you taught?

621
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 3: So I taught students from two years old? Oh my god,

622
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,640
they're high school like different grades, but mostly it was

623
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:36,039
like elementary school and like intermediate. Yeah, but I've also

624
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,680
taught like this is such a Gemini rising thing. I'm like,

625
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,599
I've also taught adults, Like I've taught adults English at

626
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,799
one point in my life and I loved that or like,

627
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:46,440
you know, different things.

628
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,759
Speaker 2: So oh I love that.

629
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,839
Speaker 1: That's your ninth thousan Midhaven too. It's just like born

630
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:51,680
to be a teacher.

631
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love teaching. I love it. And it's funny

632
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,599
because I was a teacher of languages, so I was

633
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,119
teaching English and then I later taught Spanish. At one

634
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:06,079
point I was teaching Greek and Latin. Oh good, so

635
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,039
it's very funny. And then now I'm teaching astrology, which

636
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:10,720
I always you know, it's a language, and now of

637
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:15,200
itself it's this archetypal symbolic language, but it is a language.

638
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,119
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't know that about Greek and Latin.

639
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:21,359
Speaker 3: That you was like a brief. I'm giving this alf

640
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,160
way too much credit. But yeah, it was like a

641
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:25,680
summer thing that I did.

642
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 2: That's so cool.

643
00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: I guess I wanted to talk also about your Saturn

644
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:37,279
return because you have Saturn and Pisces. It's a is

645
00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,559
it eight degrees of Pisces?

646
00:33:40,079 --> 00:33:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah? Nine nine?

647
00:33:41,839 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: Okay, so you it was probably most intense for you

648
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,119
in like twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four, but it's

649
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,559
still been going on, like while Saturn it's been in

650
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,000
Pisce season. Now Saturn's finally moving to Aries for about

651
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,000
this summer, so it's kind of a wrapping up for you.

652
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,079
How did your Saturn return go overall? Like, are there

653
00:34:01,119 --> 00:34:05,079
bigger themes that you encountered or I don't know, maybe

654
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,599
just like advice to people, let's start with like what

655
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:08,599
what did you encounter?

656
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 3: Okay, so I feel like, I mean, the main event

657
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:18,000
was definitely getting married during my Saturn return, but like

658
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:18,800
that's interessian.

659
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 1: Wait also for contacts, you have Saturn impisces in your

660
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,199
tenth house, yea, But Saturn rules your ninth house and

661
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:30,360
your Aquarius midhaven there and your eighth house of Capricorn. Yes,

662
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,239
so like all three of those houses were involved maybe

663
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:34,280
with themes.

664
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:39,639
Speaker 3: Yes, the trifecta yeah. Yeah. And I really noticed most

665
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,519
obviously though across the board. I noticed that it almost

666
00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,840
it was interesting and experience with because I think for

667
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,519
me my whole life and especially having Saturn where I

668
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,800
do too. But I just noticed I've always been almost

669
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,840
overly responsible, like very keen into like that Saddurn, like

670
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,719
achieving getting straight a's, like working for the next thing,

671
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:07,400
Like I've always appreciated that, and my Sadder return almost

672
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,400
made me see the ways in which I was almost

673
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,360
like being overly responsible. So it kind of made me

674
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,360
peel back, like, wait, what do I want to do

675
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:20,159
more for fun? How can I just you know, like

676
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:24,000
seeing joy as a worthy pursuit. And maybe it's just

677
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:26,440
me now living in Spain where I'm just kind of

678
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,639
outside of, like you know, the kind of race that

679
00:35:31,079 --> 00:35:33,519
the US can kind of get trapped into sometimes of

680
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,000
working that work culture so much. But yeah, I think

681
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,400
my sad return has been like what do you enjoy

682
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,519
doing for fun? What is it you really want to do?

683
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:45,760
And how can you let yourself just be more rather

684
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:50,320
than trying to always yeah, try, you know, I don't know,

685
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,000
almost holding myself to such a high standard or a

686
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,639
rigid schedule or that kind of thing.

687
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,159
Speaker 1: Oh I love that like kind of finding a better

688
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,280
balance and like work doesn't need to be your entire identity.

689
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, arguably, I think I've almost went like be very

690
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,360
like true to the scorpion on me, like almost too

691
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,320
far to the other end where I'm like, Okay, I

692
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,239
need to get back into the court. Let's schedule again,

693
00:36:13,679 --> 00:36:14,639
Like I do.

694
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that's kind of like the Mars retrograde though,

695
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:20,079
like you needed to slow down during the Mars retrograde

696
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,400
and now maybe you feel like more like okay, time

697
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:24,320
to get back in action.

698
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I definitely do. I mean, yeah, it's been

699
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,039
fun to do more readings, like getting back to like

700
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:33,639
my monthly emails and like things like that.

701
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of feel even though this happened,

702
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,079
I guess before your Saturn return, I do feel like

703
00:36:39,159 --> 00:36:45,039
maybe the Saturn return was tied into relocating to live

704
00:36:45,039 --> 00:36:49,119
in Spain and developing new life there, even though that

705
00:36:49,159 --> 00:36:52,239
technically happened while Saturn was in your ninth house, I believe.

706
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:55,000
Do you kind of feel like that's played a role too,

707
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:57,480
and like this is my new home and this is

708
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:58,480
my new life.

709
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:04,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely the I think also along with just your

710
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:08,039
sadder return, in general, everyone kind of experiences the sense

711
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:12,960
of just wanting to establish your next. It sounds intense,

712
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,039
but your next like thirty year trajectory, like, oh wait,

713
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,039
let's settle back into ourselves. What is it that we

714
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,079
really want? What are our long term goals? Like are

715
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,800
you happy with where you're at, how you're living each day?

716
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,519
Like what do you want to set And it almost

717
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:33,239
feels I get your sad return. It becomes before that

718
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:34,840
you just kind of are going about your up day

719
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,760
to day life and then all of a sudden, the heaviness,

720
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,440
the weight of Saturn, the reality sets in and you

721
00:37:40,559 --> 00:37:43,679
feel this sense of wait, this is my life. I'm

722
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,480
living my life right now. Is this what I want

723
00:37:45,519 --> 00:37:46,199
my life to be?

724
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah?

725
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 3: And how can I, yeah, just live more true to myself?

726
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,599
So I think a lot of a lot of my

727
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,639
Sadder return also has been that, not just work, although

728
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,280
that has been a big theme of it in my

729
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,760
tenth House, but also just yeah, just being more at

730
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,320
peace with myself and like where I'm headed and reevaluating

731
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,599
that and making sure that every day kind of adds

732
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,280
to that where I want to be.

733
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally feel that.

734
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: I also feel like my own Saturn return helped me

735
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,519
to stop like procrastinating on what I actually wanted to do, like,

736
00:38:21,599 --> 00:38:25,119
which is like write and share through writing the most

737
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,039
and like during the Saturn Return, I developed such a

738
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:33,000
solid writing practice that is continued after the Saturn return

739
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,280
has ended. And I never had that before because I

740
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,679
was so scared to sit down at the computer and

741
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,559
actually write, Like there was just so much dread and

742
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:45,840
like procrastination associated with it. And like post Saturn return,

743
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920
it's just like a routine, like I just sit down

744
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:48,960
every single day and write.

745
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: Oh I love that for you that's so beautiful. You're

746
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:56,679
living out your purpose, that's so beautiful. Do you, Alice,

747
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,039
did you notice during your Saturn return, like I know

748
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,599
there are more then people have heard all about sadder returns,

749
00:39:02,639 --> 00:39:05,400
but did you also know this that sense of like

750
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:08,360
almost like this creeping I don't want to say panic,

751
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,400
but this sense of like I think as your sound

752
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,320
return is around age thirty, where you feel like, Okay,

753
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,320
what is it that I want? You know, and seeing

754
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,519
it kind of crystallize work.

755
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: I do feel like there's this sense of mortality of like, oh,

756
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:26,239
I'm getting older and I'm not gonna live forever. And

757
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,440
I think that kind of pushes you to be like, wait,

758
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,360
what do I want? Like in that sense, I feel

759
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,719
like that's almost the catalyst with sadder and is like

760
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,199
the aging factor. And then it's I get you to

761
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,920
be like I can't waste any more time. I want

762
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,760
to make these changes for myself or I want to

763
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,719
take this area of my life more seriously.

764
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I have you always dreamt of being a

765
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:50,880
writer when you were a kid too?

766
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like I've I've always been a huge reader,

767
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,440
and I feel like I like authors are like celebrities.

768
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,679
For me, like I look up to them so much,

769
00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:05,360
and so it got me to kind of face that

770
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,000
dream more.

771
00:40:07,639 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: I love that, Yeah, because I was I was thinking

772
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,800
too that you're What you shared about that made me

773
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:15,239
think because I always thought when I was younger, I

774
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,199
wanted to I didn't think I would live abroad, like

775
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,639
in a different country, but I always wanted to visit

776
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,320
a different country. So it's interesting how but I just

777
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,000
didn't think that was possible for me. I think just

778
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,760
because I grew up in such a small town. I

779
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,480
was like, you know, I had a map over my bed,

780
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:34,440
and I was so excited about like learning languages and stuff,

781
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,719
but like it just didn't seem real. And so it

782
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,199
is interesting living in a different country now, like some

783
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,559
kind of full circle moment or something that you thought

784
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:46,320
was like blocked for you, but actually you just had

785
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:48,039
to wait for your timing to kick in.

786
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,679
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about that right before we started recording,

787
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,639
and about how you've noticed with Jupiter going through your

788
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,519
first house over the past like two three decades, that

789
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:02,480
it's made it's like circled back to your first house.

790
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,880
How there's always been this reiteration of having a really

791
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,239
positive experience abroad or now actually living abroad, can you

792
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,719
speak to like what you have noticed with that transit? Yeah,

793
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,199
that was funny. I was just getting really nerdy, like

794
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,559
going on what those like. And I think anyone could

795
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:21,199
relate to this.

796
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 3: Who's watching who like loves astrology where sometimes you just

797
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,559
go into a rabbit hole of looking at past transits.

798
00:41:28,599 --> 00:41:32,159
But yeah, whenever I noticed before this, I was looking

799
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:36,199
up Jupiter transits to my first house, the one like

800
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:39,239
twenty four years ago now when I was really little.

801
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,159
Was the first time to the month when Jupiter crossed

802
00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:44,920
my ascendant that I went for the first time out

803
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,960
of the country and I visited Mexico, which was so

804
00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,519
cool to me. And then I didn't go back for

805
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,360
a very long time, like to anywhere outside of Wisconsin.

806
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:57,199
And then yeah, and then fast forward to the next

807
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,559
pass of Jupiter over my sundant. That was when I

808
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:06,400
decided to go study abroad wearing that alex. Yeah, and

809
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,679
then now I'm living in a different country, so in Spain.

810
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:12,679
Speaker 2: It's so cool.

811
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: And do you feel like with I mean, even though

812
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,760
you moved to Spain before Jupiter was in Gemini on

813
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,800
your ascendant, I think you moved when Jupiter was in aries, Yeah.

814
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 2: Your eleventh house.

815
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: Do you feel now that it's in your first house,

816
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,960
maybe more incorporated in the culture, or like this is

817
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,480
really my home in a way you didn't feel when

818
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:32,920
Jupiter wasn't in the first house.

819
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think when I first moved here, I was

820
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:40,880
just kind of it was very intimidating. I knew Spanish,

821
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,559
but not as well as I do now, And I

822
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:45,840
think just it almost felt to me that I was

823
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:50,039
there temporarily, like I wasn't fully moved here. But now

824
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,119
we're even looking to find a place here, and so

825
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:58,400
it just feels much more permanent. And yeah, it just

826
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,559
feels like, oh, yeah, this is this is home now,

827
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:04,079
this is where we live. So yeah, it's just enjoying life.

828
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,480
I Jupiter in the first house is such a fun

829
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:10,880
transit because or if it's not a fun transit, it's

830
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:15,679
usually pushing you to be more present and embrace you know,

831
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,559
just joy and having fun and relaxing more.

832
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

833
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,679
Speaker 1: I can't wait for Jupiter to go into Leo, although

834
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,679
we got to get through Jupiter and cancer first.

835
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to earn it. Did you better in

836
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,480
the first house transit?

837
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,199
Speaker 2: Here? We come twelve holes, but it really is.

838
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 3: It is true. Like I've been thinking about a lot

839
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,840
about that too, because when you have a transit go

840
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:41,960
through the twelfth House and then the first house, it

841
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,000
is like everyone looks forward to first house transits and

842
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:51,039
that sounds like Jupiter in the first because it's just this, Yeah,

843
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:54,159
a new beginning forms of that transit going all the

844
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:56,920
way through your houses. But in order for there to

845
00:43:57,159 --> 00:44:00,320
be something new, often you have to make room for it.

846
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,480
And that's the twelfth House transit before, where it's like, Okay,

847
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,559
what are you not? What are you running from here?

848
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,320
What has been hidden to you? And it's not always

849
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,079
fun to look at, but it's so rewarding, Like the

850
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,719
extent to which you do that work in the twelfth House,

851
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,719
you're so rewarded on the other side in.

852
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,199
Speaker 1: Twelve I was being about in Dean's too, and like,

853
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,760
what's not serving you as you in er prepare to

854
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,079
enter this next new chapter?

855
00:44:25,679 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like what's hidden from you? And like what

856
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,519
you've been hiding from yourself? I thinks, just like the

857
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:34,760
more transits that I have to the twelfth House, I

858
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,880
realized that about myself, Like, oh, I've not wanted to

859
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,880
look at that. It's not enjoyable.

860
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, it always makes me realize like I am my

861
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,760
own worst enemy, Like why do I do this to myself?

862
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,320
Especially like having had that Mars retrograde in my twelve

863
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,519
I was like just understanding how my behavior makes people

864
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:54,480
react to me in a certain way, and it's like

865
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:55,480
it's not their fault.

866
00:44:55,519 --> 00:44:58,039
Speaker 2: It's like, actually I have a part to play too.

867
00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah.

868
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,280
Speaker 3: Same, It's always always about ourselves, and that's the kind

869
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,440
of depressing reality sometimes when you realized I could have

870
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:09,960
made this so much easier on myself, Like, yeah, I

871
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,599
relate to that.

872
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:14,599
Speaker 1: Speaking of transits, are there any that you're like obsessed with?

873
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:17,159
Like every time that transit comes along, you're like, I

874
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:17,920
really like that.

875
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for it.

876
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I love that, Like maybe you should start what

877
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,480
is your favorite transit? Do you have one else? I

878
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,599
hear about to take a glass of water?

879
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: No, it's fine.

880
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: Jupiter in the ninth house, like, hands down, always the

881
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,360
best time. And I also think Jupiter in the fifth

882
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,280
house too. I love when Jupiter's in those parts of

883
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,159
my chart. And then I also I'm just thinking in

884
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,639
terms of shorter transits, like I love when the Sun

885
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,440
is just in that top part of the chart every year,

886
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:54,320
like ninth, tenth, eleventh house, Like that's always my favorite

887
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,519
three months out of the year Aries Taurus Gemini, and

888
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,320
I do I mean Mars is in my first house

889
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,559
right now. I do love having Mars in the first house,

890
00:46:03,639 --> 00:46:06,679
even though, like Mars is a molific planet, you wouldn't

891
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,639
normally think you want it in the first house. I

892
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,159
just do find there's a lot more energy and enthusiasm

893
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,239
when it's in Leo.

894
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And also just your personal magnetism. It's such

895
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,199
a powerhouse of energy that you get off, do you

896
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,480
know yours hut Yeah, yeah, Well, well I was thinking

897
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:28,880
to even when you were sharing that, like liking those

898
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,519
jupitter trans in your fifth and you're ninth, I was thinking,

899
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:33,800
how Leo Rising, that is of you to like those

900
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,320
transits and the ones you mentioned, because it's like in

901
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,760
the sun at the top of the chart, like in

902
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,559
the spotlight.

903
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like the Leo Reson wants the spotlight, so

904
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,039
I want the transits that give me the spotlight.

905
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

906
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,039
Speaker 3: Whereas I was thinking off of that, I was thinking

907
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,119
about how right now it's tourist season, which is my

908
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:53,440
birthday season, and I look forward to this season all

909
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:57,880
year because it's the one season thirty day period where

910
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,639
I fully give myself permission to just totally unplug and

911
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,920
not have to like fully hide and Hermit, which is

912
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,840
the twelfth house son, and I love that, like it

913
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,960
brings me life to just be fully Yeah, Like even

914
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,199
you know an ort oracle card that I pulled for

915
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,599
the season with Solitude, and it's just like that energy

916
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,840
of being in my own energy. I just love that

917
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,360
so much. So when I have transits that give me

918
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,960
permission almost to be in my own energy, I really, yeah,

919
00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:28,519
savor it.

920
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,599
Speaker 1: Oh that's a nice perspective because I guess it really

921
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,079
does depend on like what natal placements do you have

922
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:37,079
in certain parts of the chart, and if you're going

923
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:38,679
to enjoy that transit more.

924
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, And to your question, I would say, yeah, I mean,

925
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,760
you know, I love a good Jupiter transit too. Even

926
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:50,440
Saturn I am appreciating a lot more because although it

927
00:47:50,519 --> 00:47:52,360
is difficult, it's kind of what we talked about at

928
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:57,480
the start. It brings that, you know, all those heavier transits,

929
00:47:57,559 --> 00:48:01,400
although at first they're really abrupt or in some way

930
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:05,320
challenging on the other side, especially with Staturn, it's not

931
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:10,000
just destructive, it's constructive. You're actually building and working towards

932
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:14,360
something that you can see after that transit. Yeah, so

933
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,360
I really like, I don't know, just some of the

934
00:48:17,559 --> 00:48:20,559
larger transits, or especially when you see something like I

935
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:22,559
love it when I'm reading someone's chart and they have

936
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:27,039
something like Urinus conjunct their Sun or Neptune into their

937
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:32,639
mood and although that isn't necessarily an easy transit, they're

938
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:37,000
in that reading for a reason because there's so much shifting,

939
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,079
there's so much potential, and when you do know astrology,

940
00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:42,159
you can see where you want to siphon off that

941
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,280
energy and the power. And that's where it becomes that

942
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,320
cocreation where you're like, Okay, it's gonna be manifest one whey

943
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,960
or another, and you kind of nudge it toward the

944
00:48:51,039 --> 00:48:54,639
higher possibilities and take the high road rather than just

945
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:59,679
letting it, you know, go, you call the shadow route.

946
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:01,599
Speaker 1: I feel like in readings, I've been getting a lot

947
00:49:01,599 --> 00:49:05,480
of people with like late mutable signed placements like as

948
00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:08,760
Saturn and the northern South nodes come up on those

949
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:10,760
placements in their chart. I'm like, Okay, I get why

950
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,159
you're in a reading, Like things are kind of hard

951
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,039
right now. It's a state of transition and the effort

952
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:16,760
and work.

953
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really interesting when you start to see

954
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,000
those patterns. Like there was a while there where I

955
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:27,360
was getting so many Libra risings in a row, like

956
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,840
every week at least a couple of people who had

957
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:34,840
Libra risings. So yeah, it's interesting when you see and

958
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,360
you see the transits and you're like that makes sense

959
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,039
because I like it checks out with the transits.

960
00:49:41,639 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

961
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,199
Speaker 3: And also eclipses. I love eclipses too.

962
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:45,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

963
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,119
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like you probably got the Libra risings.

964
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know this, like because the first and

965
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,119
seventh house eclipses. Like it's kind of like, wait, how

966
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,039
is my life changing? I feel like I'm a new

967
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:55,480
person kind of.

968
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,119
Speaker 3: Thing, and I've already seen the shift and now it's like,

969
00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:02,880
oh a lot more for example, Virgo rising, Yeah, Yeah, yeah,

970
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:03,400
that's it.

971
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Something I think about a lot is just how like

972
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,639
a rising sign will go through like a certain phase

973
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,320
at a certain time and then suddenly they're out of

974
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,320
it or life gets easier, but then life always comes

975
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,159
back around. I just feel like life goes in these

976
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:20,440
like waves where like you're up and then you're down,

977
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,840
but it'll always it'll always like get better again.

978
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that is so comforting to know because it's

979
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:30,679
so it's so difficult to come to that conclusion. We're

980
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,639
near in the thick of it to see that and like,

981
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:35,360
oh life, it's not always going to be this way

982
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,719
and everything is temporary, but it really is so true.

983
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,079
And that's another reason why we both love astrology so

984
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,599
much because it does help you to remember that and

985
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,840
keep that in the forefront of your perspective. And and also

986
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,679
I think to see how you do have a certain power,

987
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,159
not in what happens to you unfortunately, right we can't

988
00:50:56,159 --> 00:51:00,400
always control that, but in how you do respond or

989
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,920
what you choose to do as your next step, or

990
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:07,519
you know, like there's that part that you can focus

991
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,239
on more and just feel in a better place even.

992
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: And just knowing like, Okay, I'm in this time period

993
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,039
right now, like what can I do while this transit's

994
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,599
still going on. It's not going to last forever, but

995
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,039
like let's try to work with it in the moment.

996
00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think also just just astrology in general,

997
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,559
another thing that brings up Alice is I'm a very

998
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,719
anxious person, I would say, but as my default, and

999
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:32,239
I think.

1000
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 2: You are too.

1001
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think astrology or different spiritual tools can

1002
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:42,159
help you to make sure that you're not. Like you

1003
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:45,880
can fully relax in this moment just knowing you're not

1004
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,679
missing out on anything else because you know what to

1005
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,639
look for and you know what opportunities or potentials this

1006
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,800
month holds, and you can kind of be looking out

1007
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,280
for them but not wishing you were in a different

1008
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,400
phase of your life at the same time and just

1009
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:05,119
kind of not being fully here because yeah, you're not

1010
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,000
worried about it.

1011
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:10,519
Speaker 1: Like if I ran my own business in another industry

1012
00:52:10,639 --> 00:52:13,960
and didn't know astrology, like I don't know how I

1013
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,519
would be functioning, because astrology like really helps you recognize

1014
00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:20,360
like when it's time for your own business to grow

1015
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,559
and like you to get attention and opportunities versus when

1016
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,199
it's going to be a slower period and there's not

1017
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,639
as much happening. And I think if I didn't know astrology,

1018
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:29,880
that would be so scary.

1019
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that is so true. And also just because

1020
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:35,760
I feel like that right now where I'm like, oh,

1021
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,599
this is so nice, I can relax, I cannot stress,

1022
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:41,119
and then I'm sure when Jupiter goes into my second

1023
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:45,960
house exist somewhere maybe like yeah, And it helps to

1024
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,800
make sure that you're not burning yourself out, and especially

1025
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:51,400
when you're doing something like astrology or you're in a

1026
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:56,199
more spiritual minded field or one where like giving readings

1027
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,960
is a lot emotionally energetically, and yeah, you're just you're

1028
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,920
just making sure that you're also taking care of yourself

1029
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,960
and make your personal hygiene really like your sole hygiene

1030
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:08,760
that you feel like.

1031
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna ask you, are there any transits

1032
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,920
that you're really excited about in twenty twenty five? Ooh, yeah,

1033
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:20,360
you know how it's so much difficult astrology in twenty

1034
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,320
twenty five, But I'm like, there's also stuff to be

1035
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,400
excited about that's gonna affect.

1036
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 2: People in different ways.

1037
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like personal to my chart as a

1038
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,360
Gemini rising, I know I've told you this before. I'm

1039
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:37,440
very excited for the Uranus into Gemini transit. So I've

1040
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,800
been looking forward to that personally for a long time

1041
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:41,880
and I'm excited for it to be out of my

1042
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,280
twelve puts as well.

1043
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: I know what do you expect with like urin us

1044
00:53:46,039 --> 00:53:47,679
entering your first house.

1045
00:53:48,639 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like what are you?

1046
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,039
Speaker 1: I guess you can't fully understand what a transit will be,

1047
00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:57,199
but like, are there any like guesses you think it

1048
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:57,679
might be?

1049
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's funny because with Uranus it's always

1050
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:07,239
expect the unexpected. It like all transit, it's always funny.

1051
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,880
But I think so probably whatever I say won't happen.

1052
00:54:11,039 --> 00:54:13,960
But yeah, I just think in general, I do see

1053
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,679
when Uranus is in the first house, there's this level

1054
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:21,480
of authenticity a person individually can reach just because they're

1055
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,840
so much more in touch with themselves, and it gives

1056
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,639
you so much more permission to be yourself. You can't

1057
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,079
not like you. You have to just put yourself out

1058
00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,119
there more. And I think in experimenting and just being

1059
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:38,239
in more in touch with what you need to do,

1060
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,400
like you're in your own bubble. I feel like when

1061
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:42,400
Uranus is in the first house, and if you're not,

1062
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,800
that bubble gets popped very quickly. So yeah, I think

1063
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,440
just the freedom that Uranus in the first house ushers

1064
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:54,000
and and feeling less harmity.

1065
00:54:55,039 --> 00:54:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, like freedom to be yourself. I feel like you

1066
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,880
not caring what other people will think much just like

1067
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,800
this is me take it orly.

1068
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,159
Speaker 3: But yeah, which I feel like I do have to

1069
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,519
a certain degree. But Uranus in the first house is

1070
00:55:09,639 --> 00:55:13,480
just it's yeah, it's just more of that. There's always

1071
00:55:13,559 --> 00:55:16,519
going to be deeper layers to on Furral, so I'm

1072
00:55:16,599 --> 00:55:17,360
excited for that.

1073
00:55:18,159 --> 00:55:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1074
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Saturn going to Ares?

1075
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,639
Speaker 3: I feel good about it. I feel good of him

1076
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,119
where like with our charts on the same page there. Yeah,

1077
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,039
I mean definitely excited to have that my saddern return

1078
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:38,280
wrapped up, but also just having it in Aries just

1079
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,719
feels to me and my personal chart like easier.

1080
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:44,079
Speaker 2: What about you?

1081
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: Out of like the emotion of Pisces, it's just brought

1082
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,760
like heaviness to emotional matters.

1083
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like Saturn in Pisces just felt very

1084
00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:58,079
out of just in general, for everyone felt very out

1085
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:03,199
of its comfort zone. And Saturn's doing an excellent job there,

1086
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,840
but I think it's time to just it's like maybe

1087
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,960
more comfortable waters for Saturn.

1088
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: It's so interesting when Saturn moves to a new sign

1089
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,599
in a new house, I feel it like the day

1090
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,679
it happens, I'm like, there's a noticeable shift of like,

1091
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,519
okay that this area of my life, Like why is

1092
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,119
there suddenly this like Saturn influence here?

1093
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 3: Not?

1094
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,119
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like heavy about it or like

1095
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,960
more concerned about this part of my life?

1096
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,519
Speaker 2: It's very quick to switch.

1097
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and that makes so much sense because

1098
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,320
you are an Aquarius sun, and so I feel like

1099
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,440
you just have like such a connection that I feel

1100
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,679
that in some ways too, But I feel like you

1101
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,519
feel it more okay, interesting more immediately.

1102
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1103
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,199
Speaker 1: Would you say you feel like mercury transits more because

1104
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,199
you're a Gemini rising?

1105
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually I notice like mercury retrogrades. I actually now,

1106
00:56:57,039 --> 00:56:58,679
and this is the funny thing we keep talking about,

1107
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,519
but like I actually look forward to them because they

1108
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:06,119
always are this very I don't know, just a I'm

1109
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,960
very aware of myself at that time in my own

1110
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,800
personal patterns. So I think I look forward to them

1111
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,440
now to just get myself the space to actually deal

1112
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,239
with that and kind of structure my life around them

1113
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,599
because I'm so I have that time to self reflect more.

1114
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's like so tied in with identity, whereas

1115
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,920
I'm just like, oh my god, mercury retrograde.

1116
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like bounce, what is your what transit are

1117
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:32,280
you looking forward to?

1118
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 1: Though, I think Sadurn leaving the eighth house like very

1119
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,440
very excited for that. I mean I'm looking forward to

1120
00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:44,199
like further in the future, like Jupiter going into Leo

1121
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:48,280
eclipses and Leo and Aquarius. But I know I have

1122
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:51,360
to do maybe more internal work with Jupiter in the

1123
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,800
twelfth and the North Note in the eighth, But I

1124
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,760
do think it'll feel less heavy with Saturn not in

1125
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:57,920
the eighth anymore too.

1126
00:57:59,079 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting said that too, because I do find

1127
00:58:01,559 --> 00:58:07,079
transits in general, like Saturn to the eighth feels very

1128
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,400
dark and heavy, even Saturn in the fourth, but I

1129
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,199
feel like the twelfth, I don't know. I mean they're

1130
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:17,119
not all not my first pick, but but yeah, there

1131
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:21,719
is those certain just emotional heaviness and like deep emotions

1132
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:22,880
what the eighth House does.

1133
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just find with Saturn in general, it

1134
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,599
just like makes you take a way closer look at

1135
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,000
something and like where have you not been facing the

1136
00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:34,719
reality in that part of your life? So when it's

1137
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,199
in a house like the eighth, it's like just that

1138
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,199
way closer look at like mental health than maybe like

1139
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:44,719
controlling patterns and all these difficult parts of your life

1140
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:45,840
you really don't want to face.

1141
00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:50,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and also just the eighth House. It deals with

1142
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:54,239
intimacy and intimate partnership. But I feel like what doesn't

1143
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:57,880
get talked about enough are transits through the eighth You

1144
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,800
feel that planet you're almost in, really shipped to that

1145
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,440
very intimately while it's there. So like you've been getting

1146
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:10,000
to know Saturn and your internal Saturn lessons and really

1147
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,840
intimately over the past couple of years.

1148
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,079
Speaker 1: That's a really interesting perspective. Yeah, I'm glad it's.

1149
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: Ending all me a lot lighter.

1150
00:59:20,239 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1151
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,519
Speaker 1: Well, I think that's all the questions I had for you.

1152
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:28,280
This was such an interesting conversation. Like I loved everything

1153
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,679
we ended up talking about. I didn't plan for some

1154
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,639
of it, but I love the direction this one in.

1155
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we were just flowing.

1156
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: Well before we go, I want you to shout out,

1157
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,599
like where people can find you, what you're doing. I

1158
00:59:41,599 --> 00:59:46,239
know you briefly mentioned like your core SAS SAS. I

1159
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:47,599
don't know if you want to share more about that

1160
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,320
or where people can find you.

1161
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:54,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, So Yeah, SAS or Spiritual Astrology School

1162
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:59,440
is my online school where I teach spiritual astrology, so

1163
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,320
you learn how to read birth charts, trains, it's some

1164
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,000
more all in one, very in depth the course. So yeah,

1165
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:08,400
the program, I run it once or twice a year,

1166
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,000
so the next time I'll run that. The door is

1167
01:00:11,079 --> 01:00:15,239
open in August for the fall semesters, so if anyone's entested,

1168
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,599
would love to have you join. Yeah, and everything you

1169
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,519
can find on Maxine Luthia dot com or you can

1170
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:24,320
follow me so it's m A X I N E

1171
01:00:24,599 --> 01:00:26,599
l u Zia.

1172
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:29,639
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll put all this in the episode description too,

1173
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,719
but highly recommend Maxine's course. I did a retreat in Italy,

1174
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,199
an astrologery retreat back in twenty twenty three, and several

1175
01:00:37,239 --> 01:00:39,400
people on that retreat had done your course and they

1176
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,800
were like raving about it. And now I think one

1177
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,639
of them is shout out, Caitlin, if you're listening to this,

1178
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:50,360
is a professional astrologer because of your course, which is cool.

1179
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:54,199
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh I love that. Yeah, it's it's really really fun.

1180
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:56,679
I love that. That's kind of it's become just my

1181
01:00:57,079 --> 01:01:00,519
where I focus all my energy, you know, I feel

1182
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:03,320
like everyone as an astrology you kind of find that

1183
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,840
place where you just want to put all of your

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energy into. But yeah, so that's why I do. And

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I also have, of course, like free stuff on YouTube

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and Instagram, and I have all of that on my website.

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Speaker 2: Too many different pots. You have your.

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Speaker 3: Yes, gemin handby it's like what do you want? Here's

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like that mostly employing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, this was an amazing conversation and we'll obviously

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catch up soon, but thank you for coming. You so

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much else, thanks for having me Climbvaccine nine