Speaker 1: Oh fello, thats are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Occult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob, and
Speaker 2: today we are going to be covered uncovering some of
Speaker 2: the older concepts that we have talked about and about
Speaker 2: how they have possibly even evolved into today. So people
Speaker 2: bring up mk Ultra, and people bring up Project mocking
Speaker 2: Bird and these types of things, and they say, you know,
Speaker 2: the especially the blue pillars, the ones with their third
Speaker 2: eyes all the way closed. They'll say, that's just what
Speaker 2: they used to do. They were just experimenting. They were
Speaker 2: trying to push the human mind and body to its limits.
Speaker 2: Da da da da. Right, false, still.
Speaker 3: Going on, and we got proof of it right now, absolutely,
Speaker 3: And I know that a lot of people myself included,
Speaker 3: right when we talk about conspiracies with the three letter
Speaker 3: agencies from the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, the eighties,
Speaker 3: that's like the Cold War era of the spy games,
Speaker 3: and like at that point it was carte blanche, do
Speaker 3: whatever you need to do to get the results because
Speaker 3: we've got to stop communism. Okay, fine, fine, yes, but
Speaker 3: that's the thing. So many things have been confirmed about
Speaker 3: what happened in the past. So there's like two mindsets
Speaker 3: when it comes to the dark underbelly of our government
Speaker 3: and these three letters agencies. Right, there's the Cold War
Speaker 3: era and there's the post nine to eleven era. Here's
Speaker 3: the thing, it's not like one of them is better
Speaker 3: or worse than the other. They just got smarter and
Speaker 3: they had to upscale their tactics. Right in the seventies
Speaker 3: and eighties. This is before we had the Internet, This
Speaker 3: before we had photo imaging on AI and things like that.
Speaker 3: You know, these agencies are still doing the absolute worstest
Speaker 3: of the worst, but they are a lot more slick
Speaker 3: about it these days. That's all that's changed.
Speaker 2: Are they more slick about it or have we become
Speaker 2: so hypnotized to what they've been aiming to do that
Speaker 2: it's so out in the open that we don't even
Speaker 2: notice it because of our deep hypnosis that they've lulled
Speaker 2: us into. And that's and not just by you know,
Speaker 2: the verbiage and mainstream media. That's all across the board,
Speaker 2: the pharmaceutical industry, the sky's being poisoned, the water being poisoned,
Speaker 2: the food not being nutritious, every single thing five G
Speaker 2: all of that, right, every single thing has been literally
Speaker 2: created to stagnate you, to dull your mind, to make
Speaker 2: you not look into things. These are your people, and
Speaker 2: they're all over the place, the people the victims of this.
Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna lie. I used to be. I
Speaker 2: used to be one of those what are they called
Speaker 2: the NPCs. I say that like, I feel like we're
Speaker 2: kind of all born into that in a sense.
Speaker 3: Right, Like nobody's immune to propaganda. Nobody's immune to propaganda.
Speaker 3: Every and everybody who's like, oh yes, we are no,
Speaker 3: not a single one of anybody in America. When nine
Speaker 3: to eleven happened, I'm talking right after for the rest
Speaker 3: of two thousand and one, from September to December, every
Speaker 3: American wanted blood in Afghanistan for this shit. Oh, we
Speaker 3: are all susceptible to propaganda, ladies and gentlemen. It's not
Speaker 3: a thing to be ashamed of. We're humans. We have
Speaker 3: a lizard brain. They know that, and they know the
Speaker 3: things to make the brain get a response from us.
Speaker 3: That's a secret that's been known by these people for
Speaker 3: you know, centuries.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and and it's all over the place. Like I
Speaker 2: just named a few, how about the school system. How
Speaker 2: about the school system that doesn't doesn't want you questioning
Speaker 2: everything that this is the history and don't question it. Well,
Speaker 2: this is the science, and don't question it. This is
Speaker 2: how reality works. This is the history of our land
Speaker 2: and the land across the world, and don't question it
Speaker 2: because if you do, you're gonna get deemed a crazy
Speaker 2: nut job conspiracy theorist. And not only are they gonna
Speaker 2: separate you from the rest of society, they use that
Speaker 2: term to even separate you from your friends, from your family,
Speaker 2: from your loved ones. We've we've we've had conversations with
Speaker 2: people who once they start diving into these kind of topics,
Speaker 2: like their their their wives or their husbands, want nothing
Speaker 2: to do with them anymore. Their their their relationship with
Speaker 2: their kids, starts to fracture their relationship with society, their work.
Speaker 2: They can't do it anymore because you know too much.
Speaker 2: You are neo taking the red pill and ev everybody
Speaker 2: else around you is blue pilled like a motherfucker, right,
Speaker 2: And we've seen this, We've had to go through it ourselves.
Speaker 2: We were looked at as crazy nut jobs for the
Speaker 2: first few years of this conspiracy podcast. My family looked
Speaker 2: at me like I was the black sheep, not that
Speaker 2: I already wasn't in some kind of case before, but
Speaker 2: I was full on black sheep. I was full on heretical,
Speaker 2: damn dear for just questioning the world in which they
Speaker 2: believed existed.
Speaker 3: So, oh, dude, this is Trump got shot in the ear?
Speaker 3: All right? This wasn't even like way back when we
Speaker 3: started this. We had been blowing and going doing the
Speaker 3: cult of conspiracy. See for quite some time. I was
Speaker 3: at a family get together at my mom's house, sitting
Speaker 3: at the table, and somehow Trump getting shot had just
Speaker 3: come up into the conversation. It was like a couple
Speaker 3: of weeks removed from that. I forget what the reason
Speaker 3: for the party was, doesn't matter, And I'm just sitting
Speaker 3: there at the kitchen table, just silent, just mind of
Speaker 3: my business. Because they don't want me to weigh in
Speaker 3: on this. They don't want me to start talking on
Speaker 3: this because my family is so used to me going
Speaker 3: off the rails. Like I said last week, for Mother's Day,
Speaker 3: I'm over here talking to my uncle about what adrenochrome is.
Speaker 3: Everybody's over here just trying to have a hot dog. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: I get asked a question, what I'm gonna do not
Speaker 3: answer it? So like here we are. So then finally
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like well, and then everybody kind
Speaker 3: of looks at me, and my brother in law goes,
Speaker 3: go ahead, Jacob, what happened with Trump getting shot in
Speaker 3: the ear? And I'm like, all right, sit down, let's
Speaker 3: let's have this conversation. Look, I get it, I get it.
Speaker 3: The world is not ready for a hundred percent of
Speaker 3: the truth one hundred percent of the time, and not
Speaker 3: even truth. A lot of people are not comfortable asking
Speaker 3: very hard questions because they're afraid of either A what
Speaker 3: the answer might be, or B what they've never considered
Speaker 3: the answer could be. A lot of people are scared
Speaker 3: to have that conversation, even with themselves.
Speaker 2: It's a lot like like Kevin Gates once said, you
Speaker 2: got to get out of your own city in order
Speaker 2: to be seen, and I believe that's actually I think
Speaker 2: he actually took that from Jesus right, Like.
Speaker 3: Then he had to profit in your hometown.
Speaker 2: He had to get the fuck out of there and start,
Speaker 2: you know, talking to other people and learning other things
Speaker 2: and all that other stuff. Like the whole story of Jesus,
Speaker 2: he had to escape his hometown in order to really
Speaker 2: kind of like break the coating.
Speaker 3: And your hometown knows who you were when you were
Speaker 3: a kid and an awkward teenager, and they know your
Speaker 3: mom and them, and so whenever you're out here trying
Speaker 3: to do some earth shaking things and not just to
Speaker 3: the realm of Jesus, Kevin Gaes name, your person doesn't
Speaker 3: matter aside from you being from like New York or
Speaker 3: LA or Miami or a city that's so big to
Speaker 3: where you could go like two neighborhoods over and you're
Speaker 3: basically in a whole new city. Aside from that, Yeah, dude,
Speaker 3: if you're trying to change the world, you can't do
Speaker 3: that from your hometown. There's no way.
Speaker 2: And you're going to almost have borderline like paranoid schizophrenic
Speaker 2: ideologies and you're like ideas going throughout your mind at
Speaker 2: the in the beginning, right like because oh my god,
Speaker 2: I can't drink this water. Oh my god, there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of chemstrail chemptrails outside. Oh my god. Whenever a
Speaker 2: big mac is held into a container for a year,
Speaker 2: it doesn't decompose, like, oh my god, they're really poising us.
Speaker 2: Then you turn on the TV. You see all the
Speaker 2: mockingbird media. You see that literally local news stations are
Speaker 2: parroting what major news stations are saying word for word,
Speaker 2: gimmick for gimmick, and you're like, what did I just
Speaker 2: wake up into? So it can be fracturing to your reality,
Speaker 2: and not only to your reality, your identity. You don't
Speaker 2: even know who you are anymore because you've been so
Speaker 2: programmed by the matrix itself itself right that now you're
Speaker 2: questioning even what you are, who you are, what is
Speaker 2: the purpose of all this? And so this is for
Speaker 2: anybody who is very new to conspiracies, this is going
Speaker 2: to be your This is going to be your thing
Speaker 2: that you can look at and just know that you're
Speaker 2: not crazy. This shit has been going on, and it's
Speaker 2: up to you on what you do with this information,
Speaker 2: how you apply it to your life, how you apply
Speaker 2: it to your view and your vision of the world,
Speaker 2: so that you can prevent yourself from from getting uh
Speaker 2: sigested these hypnotic suggestions that are all around you all
Speaker 2: the time. And so that's really the purpose behind this show.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna get started, Okay, We're gonna get started.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go deep down the rabbit hole. But we're
Speaker 2: gonna start in the beginning. Now I don't mean the beginning,
Speaker 2: the beginning, the American beginning, because this shit was going
Speaker 2: on over in Nazi Germany for a long time. They
Speaker 2: were practicing on their own people over there, and then
Speaker 2: of course, what was it a project paper clip, you know,
Speaker 2: they took a bunch of Nazis brought them over here,
Speaker 2: and of course as soon as the Nazis come over here,
Speaker 2: this is whenever this shit kicks off.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: First off, we're going to get into MK ultra. For
Speaker 2: those that don't know or maybe just need a little reminder, Okay.
Speaker 3: Once again, this is all the MK ulture specifically has
Speaker 3: been confirmed by every source, even the CAA operatives that
Speaker 3: were conducting these experiments quote unquote experiments. It's understood historical facts.
Speaker 3: This is undisputed. Every one knows that this is a
Speaker 3: thing that took.
Speaker 2: Place, documented like heavily documented, a lot of it redacted,
Speaker 2: and they held out a lot of stuff. And we're
Speaker 2: going to get to what they held out because new
Speaker 2: information just came out back in December of last year
Speaker 2: of new things that have been uncovered via FOYA, so
Speaker 2: it's wild. I didn't know that new shit came out
Speaker 2: on MK Ultra, so it's going to get pretty crazy.
Speaker 3: I had heard about it, but I didn't know if
Speaker 3: there was anything actually new, or if it was kind
Speaker 3: of like a regurgitation of the stuff that you and
Speaker 3: I have already talked about on the show a few times,
Speaker 3: so I didn't actually dive in. I'm excited, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So before we get there, let's lay the groundwork
Speaker 2: and the foundation. This is an article from all That's
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, and the show that we just did last
Speaker 2: night on Meta Mysteries was a fucking absolute mind exploding banger.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: We talked about with within string theory and quantum physics,
Speaker 2: there's this thing called redshift and blue shift.
Speaker 3: Oh dude. This.
Speaker 2: I believe that this is the way that entities goes,
Speaker 2: interdimensional beings, aliens, whatever. I believe that this is how
Speaker 2: they are entering and exiting our realm of existence. Not
Speaker 2: only that, but how we would enter and exit their
Speaker 2: realm of existence and everything that you would need to
Speaker 2: do to be able to achieve that. Red shift and
Speaker 2: blue shift. I actually named it. It's going to be
Speaker 2: coming out on Friday. It's going to be called one shift,
Speaker 2: two shift, red shift, blue shift. Get a little doctor
Speaker 2: Seuss up in there. But it's fucking wild.
Speaker 3: Like wormholes and like tears in the time and space
Speaker 3: continuum or is it like completely something else.
Speaker 2: It's basically about how like light reacts, so whenever light
Speaker 2: is refracted or expanded and essentially, yeah, poking black holes
Speaker 2: in space time in general, and how extra dimensional and
Speaker 2: even aliens would be able to travel here. And so
Speaker 2: whenever people are like seeing UFOs and like how they
Speaker 2: blink into this re reality and then they blink out
Speaker 2: and they go back into their reality or another reality
Speaker 2: or something like that, how we are seeing that and
Speaker 2: what could be the mechanism scientifically as to how they're
Speaker 2: actually achieving that, and also about how we're able to
Speaker 2: do that. So a lot of the old like uh
Speaker 2: shamanic teachings about how to enter into the astral realm
Speaker 2: and all that other kind of shit and eating healthy
Speaker 2: and you know, maintaining your you know, exercise and meditation
Speaker 2: and certain all the different kind of ways. So it
Speaker 2: is fucking awesome. And I feel like we really cracked
Speaker 2: a code last night and that is thanks to a
Speaker 2: listener of the show, so big shout out. He said,
Speaker 2: don't name my name, So I just want to give
Speaker 2: a little love.
Speaker 3: You know who you are.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you know the thing because he said, dude,
Speaker 2: there's something that I have not been able to sleep
Speaker 2: of or a sleep about just thinking about this thing,
Speaker 2: and I've put it to the test and I believe
Speaker 2: that this is really what's going on. He said, just
Speaker 2: look up, look up red shift and blue shift. And
Speaker 2: I was like, say, let's I got you. And so
Speaker 2: it led me to go down a rabbit hole. That
Speaker 2: was a fascinating conversation. Anybody it's interested in that. Meta
Speaker 2: Mysteries comes out Monday and Wednesdays on this platform.
Speaker 3: There we go. All right, Now let's get into the
Speaker 3: historical background that led us to where we are today.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little mk Ultra.
Speaker 2: So what was mk ultra the CIA's top secret Cold
Speaker 2: war research program. Okay, so during the nineteen fifties and sixties,
Speaker 2: the CIA used brainwashing, hypnosis, and torture on thousands of
Speaker 2: subjects brutalized by the infamous Project mk Ultra experiments. Though
Speaker 2: they may sound like science fiction and though the CIA
Speaker 2: tried to deny them for years, the mind control experiments
Speaker 2: of Project mk Ultra were all too real. For more
Speaker 2: than a decade, at the height of the Cold War,
Speaker 2: CIA researchers abused helpless subjects in some of the most
Speaker 2: disturbing experiments in history. Convinced that the Soviet Union had
Speaker 2: developed mind control capabilities, the CIA tried to do the
Speaker 2: same with the with MK Ultra, starting in nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2: What followed was an expansive program undertaken eighty undertaken across
Speaker 2: eighty institutions, universities, and hospitals. Each one carried out torturous experiments,
Speaker 2: including electrocution, verbal and sexual abuse, and dosing subjects with
Speaker 2: massive quantities of LSD.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so whenever people taken, weren't they also the mentally handicap.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, all of them, all of them, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: literally everybody. I mean, they wanted to test it on kids,
Speaker 2: on adults, on mentally handicapped, on on physically handicapped, like
Speaker 2: it went all over the place, on psychics, on witches,
Speaker 2: on religious people, like they wanted to get all the
Speaker 2: information as as much as they possibly could, Right, so
Speaker 2: it says. What's more, these experiments often used unwitting subjects
Speaker 2: who were left with permanent psychological damage. Shocking unsurprising. Oh,
Speaker 2: by the way, so whenever I talk about like hypnosis
Speaker 2: and past life regressions and people are like, oh, not
Speaker 2: doingk ultra shit. I'm not torturing you, I'm not sexually
Speaker 2: abusing you, I'm not giving you LSD. I'm putting you
Speaker 2: into a light trance. Okay, not the same shit at all.
Speaker 3: I can tell you as somebody who was hypnotized by
Speaker 3: Jonathan and experienced the past life regression, there's nothing traumatic
Speaker 3: about the experience. It is very calm, very organized. You
Speaker 3: are in control the whole time. You can snap out
Speaker 3: of it of your own fruition if you choose at
Speaker 3: any point in time, like it's it's not like this
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: Of course, I could have given Jacob that suggestion that
Speaker 2: leads him to believe that, and could have tickled his
Speaker 2: ppee behind closed doors that he'll never know. Bud no,
Speaker 2: it's all on video, so you can go and look it.
Speaker 2: You blackmail me like fucking p Diddy, you dick. So anyhow, unsurprisingly,
Speaker 2: the CIA conducted the project with the utmost secrecy, even
Speaker 2: giving it multiple code names, and when it finally ended
Speaker 2: in the nineteen most of the records pertaining to it
Speaker 2: were destroyed on the orders of the Director of the
Speaker 2: CIA himself. That is all but a small misfiled cash
Speaker 2: accidentally left intact. Eventually, those documents and several government investigations
Speaker 2: helped bring the project to light. Today the public, even
Speaker 2: the public even has access to some twenty thousand documents
Speaker 2: concerning Project mk ultra's mind control experiments.
Speaker 3: So today that's a small cash. Twenty thousand documents is
Speaker 3: a small forgotten about cash. So we honestly have no
Speaker 3: idea how extensive these things really went.
Speaker 2: That just goes to show how much research they had.
Speaker 2: The twenty thousand documents is breadcrumbs of what's what was left.
Speaker 3: So to mine Operation snow White that we just talked
Speaker 3: about with the Scientology Church. Years of spy games to
Speaker 3: get all these documents, and it was like thirty three
Speaker 3: thousand documents, years and thousands of spies to get that
Speaker 3: this was one forgotten about small cash twenty two thousand.
Speaker 2: Good lord, Yeah, this was a this was something that
Speaker 2: they were borderline obsessed with. So yeah, anyway, it says,
Speaker 2: but even this provides only a small window into what
Speaker 2: is perhaps one of the largest and most heinous government
Speaker 2: programs and cover ups in American history. So here we
Speaker 2: go the birth of Project mk Ultra at the height
Speaker 2: of the Cold War. And as you can see right here,
Speaker 2: here's one of the one of the redacted files. It
Speaker 2: says proposal. It is proposed to continue research on problems
Speaker 2: critical to a clarification of the fundamental aspects of the
Speaker 2: stimulus response relationship in biological systems GEEZ Studies will be
Speaker 2: conducted utilizing chronic animal preparations with permanent septal septal electrodes.
Speaker 2: It's hard to read because it's like printed and it old,
Speaker 2: but it says investigations will be conducted utilizing chronic electrode
Speaker 2: preparation coupled with selected classical types of conditioning. Studies will
Speaker 2: be conducted on the geography of the brain in selected
Speaker 2: species of animals to determine the focus in which stimulations
Speaker 2: will produce a specific reaction. So at first they were
Speaker 2: testing it on animals right right, as they do. But
Speaker 2: it says a careful literature survey, especially of the Russian
Speaker 2: literature of foreign research in this area, will be conducted.
Speaker 3: So they're basically talking about getting electroshock therapy to warrant
Speaker 3: certain responses based off of what image they were seeing.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is like this is winter soldier shit too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, so it's all encompassing, like how can we
Speaker 2: turn regular people into super soldiers? How can we control
Speaker 2: even the rest of the of the puppets minds out there? Right?
Speaker 2: So you want to get everybody on board with going
Speaker 2: to war so that you get the funding and the
Speaker 2: tax dollars, and so you're seen as the good guy.
Speaker 2: So it's all encompassing.
Speaker 3: Right here, right right.
Speaker 2: And that's not to say that the Russians were like
Speaker 2: good guys by any means. I'm just saying we're not
Speaker 2: necessarily the good guys either.
Speaker 3: Like I've said before, do there hadn't been a war
Speaker 3: where there's been good, true good guys and true bad
Speaker 3: guys for quite some time. All the conflicts around the
Speaker 3: world right now, y'all, sorry, there's no good guys to.
Speaker 2: Be found, right, so it says. As the Cold War
Speaker 2: moved into its peak era in the early nineteen fifties,
Speaker 2: the American intelligence community grew increasingly obsessed with the growing
Speaker 2: technological advancements of the Soviet Union. The US government feared,
Speaker 2: in particular that it was already falling behind the Soviet
Speaker 2: Union in regard to novel interrogation techniques. Reports during the
Speaker 2: Korean War, which later proved erroneous, suggested that North Korean
Speaker 2: and Soviet forces had developed mind control capabilities and the
Speaker 2: US couldn't let them have that advantage. Thus, on April thirteenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty three, then director of the Nascent CIA, Alan
Speaker 2: Welsh Dulles, sanctioned project mk Ultra. Oh, Alan Dulles, bro.
Speaker 2: You know, it's always this fucking guy.
Speaker 3: For any of the newer listeners to the cult conspiracy,
Speaker 3: if the name Alan Dulles doesn't ring a bell, do
Speaker 3: a quick Google search and just check out the man's
Speaker 3: career and where he went and what he was in
Speaker 3: charge of in the timeframes that he was in charge.
Speaker 3: Kind of like the godfather of all of the quote
Speaker 3: unquote dirty deeds of the three letter agencies typically go
Speaker 3: back to one of like five guys. Alan Dulles is
Speaker 3: one of those five guys.
Speaker 2: And those dirty deeds are not done dirt cheap. They're
Speaker 2: done on the American tax dollar.
Speaker 3: There's a high tax dollar that I might add. You
Speaker 3: look at the amount of money that they soaked into
Speaker 3: these projects, which I understand that like a lot of
Speaker 3: that has been redacted as well, and we don't actually
Speaker 3: know all the details. Dude, this is not cheap to
Speaker 3: keep subjects in a lab and perform experiments on them
Speaker 3: for like twenty years. This is this is not something
Speaker 3: that can happen for like, oh, it's like a prisoner.
Speaker 3: It only costs fifty cents a day to feed them, bro,
Speaker 3: it ain't cost fifty cents a day to feed a
Speaker 3: prisoner since like fifty five okay, Like no, it's it's
Speaker 3: this is very very expensive experiments that were being done
Speaker 3: at this time. And again a Google search will show
Speaker 3: you who Alan Dallas was.
Speaker 2: But so you if you have ever had any kind
Speaker 2: of questions that our government has ever dived into anything
Speaker 2: psychic or witchcraftian or magically or any of that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, you think, oh, that's just fiction. That's just fantasy.
Speaker 2: And people that believe in that are just absolute nut
Speaker 2: jobs because there's no way. Well, let me bring you
Speaker 2: this to this sentiment right here. The program was quickly
Speaker 2: headed by chemist and poison expert Sidney Gottlieb, who was
Speaker 2: known in covert circles as the Black Sorcerer.
Speaker 3: Right there, babe, It really a title that gets thrown
Speaker 3: around so loosely, right.
Speaker 2: Black sorcerer, that's that's black magic, right, So that is
Speaker 2: you're you're working with demons, your work with evil spirits,
Speaker 2: you're working with poisons, you're working like this is the
Speaker 2: essentially the black square on the free Masonic checkerboard, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So one of Gottlieb's original goals was to create a
Speaker 2: truth serum that could be used against Soviet spies and
Speaker 2: prisoners of war in order to gain intelligence. Unsurprisingly, perhaps
Speaker 2: generating generating a truth serum proved difficult. Instead, researchers believe
Speaker 2: that a kind of mind control could be achieved by
Speaker 2: placing the subject in a heavily altered mental state, typically
Speaker 2: with the help of wildly experimental drugs. According to journalist
Speaker 2: Stephen Kinzer, Gottlieb realized that in order to control the mind,
Speaker 2: he'd he'd have to wipe it first. Second, you have
Speaker 2: to find a way to insert a new mind into
Speaker 2: that resulting void. Holy ship. Yep, so he goes, we
Speaker 2: didn't get too far on number two, but he did
Speaker 2: do a lot of work on number one as far
Speaker 2: as e racing the mind and.
Speaker 3: Just everybody knows a truth serum again quick Google search
Speaker 3: away sodium foippen all that would be the quote unquote
Speaker 3: truth serum that would be discussing on this one. It's
Speaker 3: a real thing.
Speaker 2: And this guy was a poison expert. And this is
Speaker 2: also back in the fifties.
Speaker 3: So anyhow, I didn't exactly have all the same restrictions
Speaker 3: on what we can and cannot give to people at.
Speaker 2: This time, right right, So it says in Gottlieb's own words,
Speaker 2: project mk Ultra's Mind experiments extensively, research extensively, researched extensively
Speaker 2: how drugs could enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture,
Speaker 2: and coercion, as well as produce amnesia, shock, and confusion.
Speaker 2: This is our government, This is our government now, okay.
Speaker 2: A declassified document from nineteen fifty five added that mk
Speaker 2: Ultra sought to observe in quotes, materials which will cause
Speaker 2: the victim to age faster or slower in maturity, and
Speaker 2: substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulses to the
Speaker 2: point where the recipient would be discredited in public dundun conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Theorist, right, right, absolutely. What was that movie with Robin
Speaker 3: Williams where he became the president?
Speaker 2: Oh I remember that movie?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you remember the woman that was trying
Speaker 3: to say, like, oh my god, the voting booths, it's
Speaker 3: there's a glitch in them or something like that. She
Speaker 3: was attacked. They injected her with something and she went
Speaker 3: schizophrenic and had to be hospitalized. And now, no matter
Speaker 3: what she says, she was just looked at like she
Speaker 3: was a druggie who had a psyschological break. So like,
Speaker 3: no one's going to listen to anything she has to say,
Speaker 3: whether it's true or not.
Speaker 2: It's literally that literally that yes. And so whenever you're
Speaker 2: getting mainstream media discrediting alternative histories or alternative theories and
Speaker 2: calling them conspiracy theorists, that is this is this is
Speaker 2: really the magic behind it. It's a sigil in a sense, right,
Speaker 2: It's it's if you give somebody a title of a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist, you may as well just put a pedophile
Speaker 2: on their forehead. Nobody wants to talk to you now,
Speaker 2: right right, like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. I don't
Speaker 2: want to be involved in that, so I want to
Speaker 2: get along. I want to go along, to get along.
Speaker 2: I want everybody to see me as normal. So they
Speaker 2: put this stigma, this sigil in a sense, really it
Speaker 2: is kind of like a magical sigil, and they place
Speaker 2: it over top of certain people who are out there
Speaker 2: blaring the horn talking about like, Yo, this reality isn't
Speaker 2: what you think it is, this is what the government's doing,
Speaker 2: this is what they've been up to. And all that
Speaker 2: you need to do is place that magical sigil and say, oh,
Speaker 2: he's just a conspiracy theorist, and bang right, everybody is
Speaker 2: shocked back into their normal, everyday reality.
Speaker 3: And for those that think that that just happened in
Speaker 3: a movie and that's just not real life, like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, do we forget that. Martin Lawrence, at one
Speaker 3: point in time, was attacked and then ran through the
Speaker 3: streets of New York but naked, screaming that they were
Speaker 3: trying to kill him. And then he was putting the
Speaker 3: looney bin and oh, well, you know he suffered a
Speaker 3: psychotic break. Oh, Dave Chappelle, right, they were trying to
Speaker 3: kill him. His words, not mine. So he took off
Speaker 3: to Africa and walked away from fifty million dollars. So again,
Speaker 3: this is not just something of the hair brain. Oh
Speaker 3: that's not real. No, no, this is something that happens
Speaker 3: still to this day.
Speaker 2: So everybody that is out there getting but hurt about
Speaker 2: what Kanye is saying about the Nazis and shit like that,
Speaker 2: just know he absolutely went through an mk ultra type
Speaker 2: of program. At first, they were talking about giving him
Speaker 2: all these drugs to calm his mind down and basically
Speaker 2: dull him out a little bit, right, And so whenever.
Speaker 3: He's said with Michael Jackson, right, actually came out they
Speaker 3: don't care about us. Next thing, you know, he strung
Speaker 3: out on some concoction that ended up killing him.
Speaker 2: Really, so you think these people are crazy or what
Speaker 2: led them to this? You know, that's what you got it.
Speaker 2: Instead of judging a book by its cover, try and
Speaker 2: dive into the book itself and understand where it began.
Speaker 2: Because Kanye wasn't crazy in the beginning, he might have
Speaker 2: been a little special. I'd have been a little bit
Speaker 2: out there, but they did their best to try to
Speaker 2: hone in on, you know, the things that he was
Speaker 2: good at, is as far as producing music and writing
Speaker 2: lyrics and promoting brands and stuff like that. They wanted
Speaker 2: to squeeze him for everything that he was worth, as
Speaker 2: far as money goes, as far as content goes, as
Speaker 2: far as manipulation through music and frequencies and words and
Speaker 2: all that other shit to promote this kind of human
Speaker 2: nature that kind of goes against human nature whenever you're
Speaker 2: talking about including guns and drugs and hoes and like,
Speaker 2: that's not what it means to be a human. But
Speaker 2: that's what they were trying to essentially hypnotize the public
Speaker 2: into thinking.
Speaker 3: Look, anybody that's had any dealings with the Kardashians that
Speaker 3: is now on the outs with them, are all every
Speaker 3: one of them is saying that they are a coven
Speaker 3: of witches. That's not just like a thing that people
Speaker 3: say because they're jaded xes y'all. If every single person
Speaker 3: that's ever had dealings with that family is all saying
Speaker 3: the exact same thing, it sounds like to me being
Speaker 3: me here. We need to be listening, Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 3: The truth is real and I mean that that's that
Speaker 3: is what.
Speaker 2: It is to try and get my Kim Kardashians speech on.
Speaker 2: My god, I cannot stand that. And you know what's
Speaker 2: crazy is you want to talk about MK ultra before
Speaker 2: there's before the Kardashians came on the scene, as far
Speaker 2: as like the blue pilled women out there go. And
Speaker 2: then there's the blue pilled women out there that watch
Speaker 2: the Kardashians and they all talk and act like them.
Speaker 2: They want to look like them, they want to be them,
Speaker 2: right Like it's disgusting, and so you know, uh, it's
Speaker 2: don't don't don't fall victim to that, like, because you're
Speaker 2: like everybody out there that is falling victim to whatever
Speaker 2: the media is trying to portray, and you're trying to
Speaker 2: find yourself. I get it. We're all we're all out
Speaker 2: here trying to figure out what this reality is and
Speaker 2: who we are and all that kind of shit. You're
Speaker 2: more than that, So don't don't just settle for you know,
Speaker 2: whatever society deems normal and sexy like that. It's not
Speaker 2: sexy at all.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. A vapid, shallow woman that only is consumed
Speaker 3: with herself is the most unattractive thing to me. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I like that. What good is that to anybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, you got to have a little bit of
Speaker 2: depth to you. If you're just surfaced, Like, get the
Speaker 2: fuck out of here. I want nothing to do with you.
Speaker 3: Agreed. Yeah, please sell all the women out there watching
Speaker 3: the Keeping Up with the Kardashians, listen, You're better than that.
Speaker 3: I promise you. You are better than that. Watch something else,
Speaker 3: Please don't. Because your brain is a computer, Okay, as
Speaker 3: we are going to learn more about with this mk
Speaker 3: Ultra article on everything else that we are going to
Speaker 3: watch here, your brain is the most intricate computer that
Speaker 3: has ever been produced ever, and what you put into
Speaker 3: it will eventually come out of it. Okay, be careful
Speaker 3: what you put in. That's all we're saying here.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not that crazy. Whenever you look into
Speaker 2: television and it literally spells out tell a vision. You
Speaker 2: got the channels you're channeling, right, you got every single show?
Speaker 2: What does that? Oh? A program? Right? Like? And so
Speaker 2: it's literally all over the place. It's telling you what
Speaker 2: it's doing. It's programming you. It's channeling information, it is
Speaker 2: telling you a vision. This is sorcery, So don't fall
Speaker 2: victim to that, Like you're more than that. This is
Speaker 2: modern day bread and circus.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. And also on that same vibe, don't let
Speaker 3: your kids watch Coco Melan or kayu, let's be good
Speaker 3: parents about it. Just throwing that out, don't do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my son whenever he was going to daycare. He's
Speaker 2: not in daycare anymore, but whenever he was going to daycare,
Speaker 2: he started coming home and he started saying, So he's
Speaker 2: got the little Portuguese little swagger to him. He's a
Speaker 2: little bilingual baby, and so he says things and so
Speaker 2: like you know, kind of mixing like spanglish kind of thing,
Speaker 2: and so he'll start He came home from daycare one
Speaker 2: day and he started just singing, Cocomegan Coco mean, and
Speaker 2: we're like, we have never watched that in this house.
Speaker 2: Why are you saying that? And come to find out,
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of Coco Melician Mela Coco
Speaker 2: melan shit that was going on over the daycare. That
Speaker 2: wasn't the reason why we pulled him out, but that
Speaker 2: was definitely a contributing factor on bro Absolutely not. So
Speaker 2: let's get back to it all right. So, with these
Speaker 2: goals in mind Project mk Ultra, scientists began devising mind
Speaker 2: altering experiment experiments with insidious goals and disastrous results. So
Speaker 2: how did mk Ultra's mind control experiments work. That's your boy,
Speaker 2: Sidney Gottlieb, the uh, the Black sorce Sorcerer. Yeah, yeah, buddy,
Speaker 2: just looks like a regular guy.
Speaker 3: He looks like somebody's rich uncle, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: He looked not like a full He don't look like
Speaker 3: a popol in this picture. I mean he looks like
Speaker 3: just some guy who works in an office somewhere, you know,
Speaker 3: just a well to do gentleman. You wouldn't look at
Speaker 3: him and immediately think, oh god, he is the Black
Speaker 3: Sorcerer of the United States Government. But boy, ol, boy,
Speaker 3: can looks be deceiving?
Speaker 2: They walk among you and you wouldn't notice them.
Speaker 3: Okay. Not every witch looks like Uma Abadeine or Lady Gaga, right,
Speaker 3: Not every dark sorcerer looks like a vampire that hasn't
Speaker 3: seen the sun in eight years. Like, No, they absolutely
Speaker 3: could be your neighbor.
Speaker 2: The wizards have stepped up their game and they've mixed
Speaker 2: into the public eye without even being noticed. And to
Speaker 2: be honest, that's some invisible cloak type of shit, which
Speaker 2: you know, that's what your boy the uh Harry Potter, No,
Speaker 2: I was thinking of the wizard guy that we've talked to,
Speaker 2: the Satanic wizard. He would say that he would put
Speaker 2: on like he would do like this magical spell and
Speaker 2: so that he would put on like this invisible cloak
Speaker 2: kind of thing, and that way whenever he went on
Speaker 2: to parties and out in the public, he wouldn't get noticed.
Speaker 2: And so that's some real that's some real shit. It's
Speaker 2: not in the same way of like Harry Potter putting
Speaker 2: on an invisible cloak and you're invisible. It's more so
Speaker 2: with the mind that you're basically doing some kind of
Speaker 2: magical spell or some kind of shit like that to
Speaker 2: where people may see you but they don't notice you.
Speaker 2: It's a difference, right, bro.
Speaker 3: That is still one of our most listened to episodes
Speaker 3: of Alts, and I've been seeing him more and more.
Speaker 3: He's making his rounds onto certain YouTube spaces now like
Speaker 3: the man's story is getting some traction behind it and
Speaker 3: people are listening.
Speaker 2: Very interesting fellow, without a doubt. So anyhow, let's get
Speaker 2: back to it. So from the beginning, mk ultra's mind
Speaker 2: control experiments were conducted with great secrecy, in part because
Speaker 2: the CIA was well aware of the dubious ethics involved.
Speaker 2: For secrecy state sake, The program's one hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: two experiments were spread out across multiple cities, college campuses, prisons,
Speaker 2: and hospitals. In total, one hundred and eighty five researchers
Speaker 2: were involved, and many of them didn't even know that
Speaker 2: their work was meant for the CIA. In all of
Speaker 2: the dozens of settings, the primary experimental method often involved
Speaker 2: administering large quantities of various mind altering substances in hopes
Speaker 2: of wiping the human mind in the way that Gottlieb
Speaker 2: wanted to. Subjects were dosed with LSD, opioids, THHC, and
Speaker 2: synthetic government created super hallucinogen b Z. I need to
Speaker 2: look into that super hallucinogen. We talking about something stronger
Speaker 2: than DMT.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look this up. Super hallucinogen b Z keep going.
Speaker 2: Z, as well as widely available substances such as alcohol.
Speaker 2: Researchers would also sometimes administer two drugs with opposite effects,
Speaker 2: such as barbiture barbitur rate and it's oh, I've never
Speaker 2: seen it spelled that way though, and an amphetamine, so
Speaker 2: an upper and a downer right simultaneously. So they would
Speaker 2: administer these these two drugs simultaneously and observe their subjects reactions,
Speaker 2: or give subjects already under the influence of alcohol a
Speaker 2: dose of another drug like LSD. Anybody that has ever
Speaker 2: been cross faded? It sucks ass, all right, So what does.
Speaker 3: This b Z now? Okay? So the technical term for
Speaker 3: the scientific name for it is three quinn slid quin
Speaker 3: slidinal benzolate okay. Qn B is another term for it
Speaker 3: is an odorless and bitterless tasting military incapacitating agent. BZ
Speaker 3: is an antagonist of the uh muscurinic acetetylin receptors. Okay,
Speaker 3: So it basically fucks up your brain, it says, I
Speaker 3: gotta right here. What does BZ do to you? BZ
Speaker 3: is absorbed through the lungs and rapidly crosses the blood
Speaker 3: brain barrier. Individuals exposed to high dose develop confusion and
Speaker 3: hallucinations and become delirious. While sufficiently lucid they may report
Speaker 3: a dry mouth and blurred vision from loss of accommodation.
Speaker 3: So basically, it is a military grade incapacitating hallucinogen that
Speaker 3: was developed completely in a lab by our government.
Speaker 2: Fuck that. Yeah, see you're you're gonna see demons in there.
Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna see something. You're gonna because DMT is
Speaker 3: a natural chemical, right, your brain produces it itself. Every
Speaker 3: time you dream, you are essentially experiencing a DMT trip
Speaker 3: in a sense, right, not even in.
Speaker 2: A sense that's actually what's going on.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't want to use the term a trip,
Speaker 3: but I guess per per the definition.
Speaker 2: I meaning you're experiencing non reality. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 3: It would be a DMT trip, a more controlled version
Speaker 3: of it, which is again something your brain does naturally.
Speaker 3: No problems here. It has the receptors to do it.
Speaker 3: It produces the chemical match all the stuff BZ is
Speaker 3: not that BZ is basically from from what I just read,
Speaker 3: it's way more potent than DMT. It hits you way
Speaker 3: harder and way faster. And it's not just a hallucinogen.
Speaker 3: It's an incapacitating hallucinogen. It was made for military grade usage, Like,
Speaker 3: oh my god.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they were using that along with LSD THC, alcohol, amphetamines, barbituates.
Speaker 2: Literally everything that they were giving college students in hospital
Speaker 2: patients and shit like that are spread across you know,
Speaker 2: all the cities right of America, and uh, you know
Speaker 2: what's really fucked up is the fact that they got
Speaker 2: into the college campuses because you see that, like even today,
Speaker 2: it still lingers, right, Like all of these people that
Speaker 2: are on college campuses, they're fucking brainwashed, bro, Like they
Speaker 2: can't tell their head from their ass, and it's crazy,
Speaker 2: Like not everybody, I mean, I'm not trying to group
Speaker 2: everybody into the same thing. There's a lot of very smart,
Speaker 2: like red pilled people who are in college, I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that, but there's a lot of really fucking dumb
Speaker 2: people who fall victim to propaganda and they believe it.
Speaker 3: I have met so many college educated idiots, it's astounding,
Speaker 3: fucking astounding.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, aside from drugs, researchers also use hypnosis, often
Speaker 2: in an effort to create fear in subjects that could
Speaker 2: then be exploited to gain information. Fear induced hypnosis.
Speaker 3: Fuck, fear induced hypnosis. You remember your DMT trip where
Speaker 3: it was like the most amazing thing you'd ever experienced
Speaker 3: in your life, and then you remember the one where
Speaker 3: I am judging by your description of it, I think
Speaker 3: you might have actually peered into real hell, not the
Speaker 3: Dante's Inferno type, the type that is described in the Bible.
Speaker 2: The void.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so could you imagine being forced there over and
Speaker 3: over again by a government officials that's got you tied
Speaker 3: down to a table. Not to mention, they're using electro
Speaker 3: shock therapy all the while right to gain certain responses
Speaker 3: out of you, and you can't leave. They are not
Speaker 3: letting you leave. They erased all memory of you, They
Speaker 3: have erased all of your documentation. As far as anyone
Speaker 3: is concerned, you're not even a person that exists anymore.
Speaker 2: Bro, Kill me, kill me when that happens. Like I
Speaker 2: couldn't handle three minutes of the void. Like you want
Speaker 2: to talk about these people possibly being put under hypnosis
Speaker 2: for days and weeks. Fuck that. I would much rather
Speaker 2: you just saw my fucking head off.
Speaker 3: I think the According to the official documentation that we
Speaker 3: have on in Kotra, the longest continual experiment was eighteen months.
Speaker 3: Every day crime without a break no days off for
Speaker 3: eighteen months, a year and a half of going back,
Speaker 3: forced back to the void.
Speaker 2: I will ram my head onto a spike before I
Speaker 2: let it go to day two.
Speaker 3: And I mean again, that's just what we have found.
Speaker 3: It's very possible that they had somebody there for decades
Speaker 3: like we Again, we only have from the small cash
Speaker 3: of papers that wasn't destroyed, and that's the longest one
Speaker 3: on that record. That is not the entirety of what
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 2: So researchers went on to investigate the effects of hypnosis
Speaker 2: on the results of polygraph tests and its implications for
Speaker 2: memory loss. This is your boy, Donald E. Cameron, who
Speaker 2: had been present at the Nuremberg Trials as a psychiatric
Speaker 2: evaluator for leading Nazi Rudolph Hess was one of the
Speaker 2: lead researchers in mind control experiments in mk ULTRA.
Speaker 3: So this is how these shitheads that are very key
Speaker 3: players in very key moments in time just keep on
Speaker 3: doing shit things no matter where they go. It's insane.
Speaker 2: Don't matter you're in Germany, you're in the United States. Whatever, baby,
Speaker 2: We're gonna try and push the human mind to its
Speaker 2: absolute limits. Sonyhow mk ultra participants were also subjected to
Speaker 2: experimentation involving electro electro convulsive therapy, oral stimulation, and paralytic drugs. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: experimental Donald experimenter Donald Cameron, who we just talked about
Speaker 2: up there, the first chairman of the World Psychiatric Association
Speaker 2: and the president of the American and Canadian Psychiatric Associations.
Speaker 2: This guy was the president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we brought.
Speaker 2: Him from We brought him from fucking Nazi Germany, working
Speaker 2: directly under Rudolph Hess. Okay, and they say that actually
Speaker 2: Rudolph Hess was really the one in charge.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: He was basically like Hitler's right hand man whenever it
Speaker 2: came to a lot of the mind control shit. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we robbed that guy over and we started utilizing him
Speaker 2: and he becomes to life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the president of the Psychiatric Association for most
Speaker 3: of the North American continent. We didn't just use him
Speaker 3: as a doctor. We use him as like the source.
Speaker 2: Dude, what the fuck is They.
Speaker 3: Just said, a mixture of besy, electroshock therapy and paralytic drugs.
Speaker 3: So you're gonna paralyze them to where they can't move.
Speaker 3: You're gonna hook up electrodes to their brain and shock
Speaker 3: them to get certain responses, and you're gonna force them
Speaker 3: into a such a far degree of hypnosis and drug
Speaker 3: induced psychosis, the kind of which I don't think we
Speaker 3: actually can perceive with our own minds, Like the level
Speaker 3: of hallucinogen that they gave these people, and this guy
Speaker 3: was doing it.
Speaker 2: This is as tortured as you can possibly be.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you think about it.
Speaker 2: Whenever you go to jail and you get sent away,
Speaker 2: and you gotta you know, what does it call Whenever
Speaker 2: they have to go and spend a lot of time
Speaker 2: by themselves, they get separated solitary confinement. You go into
Speaker 2: solitary confinement. That is the worst punishment you can receive
Speaker 2: in prison, is solitary confinement and you're just in there
Speaker 2: by yourself, because the mind will run rampant if it's
Speaker 2: not communicating with other people, you know, keeping you grounded
Speaker 2: in this reality. You need other people to keep you grounded.
Speaker 2: That's why I have Jacob. If I didn't have Jacob,
Speaker 2: I just float off into the fucking atmosphere, right, And
Speaker 2: so you need people like that. And so this is
Speaker 2: something that they were doing and they were like pushing
Speaker 2: it to the absolute limits. So here we go.
Speaker 3: So then they said earlier they also were using sexual
Speaker 3: things against these people. So not only are they doing
Speaker 3: all this to them, they're raping them in this state.
Speaker 2: Walt Disney, what to do?
Speaker 3: Oh, we're going there, I promise you. Let's keep going.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, he drugged patients and repeatedly played tapes of
Speaker 2: noises or suggestions while they were comatosed for long periods
Speaker 2: of time, hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing memories in
Speaker 2: order to reprogram the subject's mind. In reality, these tests
Speaker 2: left the subjects comatose for months at a time and
Speaker 2: permanently suffering from incontinence and amnesia. Fuck, man, this is
Speaker 2: hell on earth, that's exactly. They brought hell to this reality.
Speaker 3: And like I'm trying to think of, even if for
Speaker 3: the blue pillar out there was listening to this and
Speaker 3: this thinking this is not real life, even though again
Speaker 3: all this is documented, verified, certified, fucking circumcised, while we
Speaker 3: added this shit is real as fuck. There's no way
Speaker 3: around this. What we are talking about absolutely took place. Facts. Okay,
Speaker 3: that being said, even for the blue pillar out there
Speaker 3: that's listening right now, it's like, well he was trying
Speaker 3: to cure the schizophrenia. Right, it was like, at least
Speaker 3: done for trying to do good things. You left your
Speaker 3: patient in a drug in electrotherapy induced coma for months
Speaker 3: that they were never able to recover from. And you
Speaker 3: didn't just do it to one person, You did it
Speaker 3: to thousands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, permanently suffering. I'm sorry, leave me to be a
Speaker 2: schizophrenic before you put me through this bullshit.
Speaker 3: Good god, dude.
Speaker 2: So John C. Lilly, which he gets brought up a lot.
Speaker 2: John Lilly, a noted animal behaviorist, was also involved in
Speaker 2: the experiments. For his research in human communication with dolphins,
Speaker 2: he created the first sensory deprivation flotation tank mk Ultra.
Speaker 2: Scientists commissioned the tank to create a sensory free environment
Speaker 2: for their subjects to experience their acid trips without the
Speaker 2: stimuli of the outside world.
Speaker 3: Yeah with the Yeah, here we go.
Speaker 2: So, with such an arsenal of tools at their disposal,
Speaker 2: the project mk Ultra mind control experiments succeeded in severely
Speaker 2: disrupting the human mind, but at a great cost to
Speaker 2: its unwitting subjects. So who were the subjects of these
Speaker 2: ghastly experiments? Due to the classified nature of the program.
Speaker 2: Many of the test subjects were unaware of their involvement,
Speaker 2: and Gottlieb admitted that his team targeted in quotes, people
Speaker 2: who could not fight back. These included drug addicted prisoners,
Speaker 2: marginalized sex workers, and both mental and terminal cancer patients
Speaker 2: mental patience. This turns my stomach here in this.
Speaker 3: The marginalized people that could not fight back. So you
Speaker 3: chose the weakest candidate that you could to just basically
Speaker 3: hit blender, like hit Frappe on a blender on the
Speaker 3: brain of these people, and then gave them no care
Speaker 3: afterwards because they were disposable, because who's gonna miss them?
Speaker 2: You know what fits every single one of these checkpoints
Speaker 2: kids yep. To say that they were not doing this
Speaker 2: with kids, keep in mind there was twenty thousand pages
Speaker 2: still left over where we're pulling this information from. That
Speaker 2: is nothing but a tiny cunt hair worth of information
Speaker 2: that they actually did. Okay, So of course they're not
Speaker 2: going to say that they were working on kids, but
Speaker 2: it is obvious they wanted people who could not fight
Speaker 2: back children. That's children.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So and then you hear about Disney and and all
Speaker 2: that same thing. He was involved with all of that.
Speaker 2: So here we go. So some of the some of
Speaker 2: the subjects of mk Ultra were volunteers or paid students.
Speaker 2: Others were addicts who were bribed with the promise of
Speaker 2: more drugs if they participated. Though, though many of the
Speaker 2: MK Ultra's records were destroyed, there are a few notable
Speaker 2: documented subjects, including Ken Kessey, author of The One Who
Speaker 2: Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Robert Hunter, a lyricist for
Speaker 2: The Grateful Dead, and James Whitey Bulger, a notorious Boston
Speaker 2: mob boss.
Speaker 3: Yep, and again those things talked about for years and years.
Speaker 3: Everybody said, oh, you know Whitey Bulger was in with
Speaker 3: that MK ultra shit. No he wasn't documented.
Speaker 2: Yes he was rude the dude from.
Speaker 3: The Grateful Dead, all the dead Heads and all the
Speaker 3: hallucinogenic and psychedelic type of music and the vibes and
Speaker 3: the artwork and all that comes from MK Ultra. There's
Speaker 3: no two ways about this. This is certified factual information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, So it goes deep, dude, it goes super deep.
Speaker 2: So some participants were voluntarily vocal about their involvement. Kessie,
Speaker 2: I don't know, if it's Kessi or Kesey, it looks
Speaker 2: like Kessie anyway. Kessi, for example, was an early volunteer
Speaker 2: and joined the project while he was a student at
Speaker 2: Stanford University to be observed while taking LSD and other
Speaker 2: psychedelic drugs. So the guy that wrote the one who
Speaker 2: flew over the Kucka's Nest, he like, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll try it out.
Speaker 3: But essentially that was like the g Rate experiment. They
Speaker 3: just wanted to hook up some diodes and let him
Speaker 3: take LSD and see what his brain was doing under
Speaker 3: the influence of a drug.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not tortured.
Speaker 3: I don't believe it was tortured.
Speaker 2: No, No, they just yeah, he got the you said
Speaker 2: it perfectly, the PG version.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, especially if he's a volunteer and they
Speaker 3: know that he's going to be released from the program
Speaker 3: one day, they're only going to give him what, you know,
Speaker 3: the very beginnings of it. For the prostitute who is
Speaker 3: already like is not going to be, like I said,
Speaker 3: a marginalized person that can't fight. Oh, they're not just
Speaker 3: gonna test their brain. They're gonna do some real experimenting
Speaker 3: on it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And so whenever you see or
Speaker 2: hear about people that go missing into like national forests,
Speaker 2: or you hear about people that uh oh, what was
Speaker 2: the there's like other ones.
Speaker 3: Kids in cages? Well not I forgot about when Obama
Speaker 3: put those kids in cages. What happened to those kids?
Speaker 3: Did they go home? Did they get adopted? They're not
Speaker 3: in the cages anymore. What happened to them? Well, they
Speaker 3: didn't go anywhere. Good, let's just leave it at that.
Speaker 2: You want to hear a fun, fucked up fact. So
Speaker 2: do you know that back in the day, whenever they
Speaker 2: would put like missing kids on the back of milk cartons, right,
Speaker 2: not ever was there a single kid found?
Speaker 3: Not one.
Speaker 2: So that's kind of creepy, like, why would you continue
Speaker 2: to keep on putting kids on the back of milk
Speaker 2: cartons and you don't find one? That's not even making
Speaker 2: a fucking effort at that point. So now that leads
Speaker 2: everybody to believe, well, whenever you go to the store
Speaker 2: you get a milk carton, oh my god, this this
Speaker 2: kid was taken with. I couldn't imagine if that was me. Right. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: those poor kids are probably subject to these kind of programs.
Speaker 3: And then you look at the milk industry itself. We
Speaker 3: did a whole episode about the underground cheese caves that
Speaker 3: we have in America. Again, not a conspiracy, understood fact.
Speaker 3: Anybody wants to look at DMI Dairy Management Institute and
Speaker 3: how they supplement the dairy farmers in America and why
Speaker 3: on earth would they be putting these kids' faces on
Speaker 3: milk cartons. There's no government conspiracy there until you find
Speaker 3: that the entire dairy industry is one giant government conspiracy.
Speaker 3: And it's like, oh shit, yeah, y'all, y'all, there's so
Speaker 3: many levels to this and it goes so deep. Once again,
Speaker 3: it's basically all a conspiracy.
Speaker 2: And about how about we're all addicted to the dairy
Speaker 2: industry where whether it be milk or cheese or whatever,
Speaker 2: it is right, Like, I dude, I can't go without cheese,
Speaker 2: Like it's impossible. I need cheese on almost everything that
Speaker 2: I eat. And there is nothing more delicious and satisfying
Speaker 2: than whenever you're just going uzzle in a cup of
Speaker 2: fucking whole milk, bro like that is that is home
Speaker 2: to me? Right? Meanwhile, why it's fucking your entire like
Speaker 2: gut biome and bacteria. It's not good for you. They say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it's really good for kylcium and building your bones and
Speaker 2: making them more healthier. It's like, that's actually not even
Speaker 2: been proven.
Speaker 3: Now, dude, But here's what has been proven. The dairy
Speaker 3: that we drink in America. I can't speak on behalf
Speaker 3: of Europe. I can't speak on behalf of Amish true
Speaker 3: raw unpasteurized milk. I can't speak on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not talking about the We're not talking about
Speaker 2: the unpasteurized. We're talking about the shit that you're getting
Speaker 2: from grocery stores. That pasteurized bullshit that they take out
Speaker 2: all the nutrients.
Speaker 3: From exactly the enzyme that is released whenever you drink
Speaker 3: that hits the same receptors as the opioid receptors in
Speaker 3: your brain. Let that one sink in as long as
Speaker 3: you need damn Yeah yeah, wow, it's all.
Speaker 2: We literally are addicted.
Speaker 3: That is literally addicted, Like we couldn't stop if we
Speaker 3: wanted to.
Speaker 2: Wooo, no wonder. Pizza is my favorite food.
Speaker 3: I mean, pizza burritos is literally what makes the world
Speaker 3: go round. I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Big facts give me a New York slaves all day baby.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, talking about your boy Ken Kessey. So his
Speaker 2: experience was, according to him, a positive one, and he
Speaker 2: went on to publicly publicly promote the drug talking about LSD.
Speaker 2: The one that flew over the Cuckoo's Nest was also
Speaker 2: in part inspired by his experiences. But unlike Casey or Kessey, however,
Speaker 2: some participants did not have such positive experiences. He was just,
Speaker 2: you know, the the silver lining to the whole thing, right.
Speaker 3: He was the face if it ever came to light
Speaker 3: of what they were doing, they could point to him
Speaker 3: and be like, look, he volunteered for this, and he
Speaker 3: had a successful Hollywood career and he had great experiences
Speaker 3: from it. I don't know what all these crazy quote
Speaker 3: unquote whistleblowers are saying. This guy had a great time.
Speaker 3: You know, it was done to discredit.
Speaker 2: And then you have characters like Charles Manson. But we'll
Speaker 2: get to that. So the horrors experience by the participants.
Speaker 2: Untold numbers of MK ultra subjects were subjected to chilling
Speaker 2: abuses in the name of science, and one experiment, an
Speaker 2: unwinning mental patient in Kentucky was given a dose of
Speaker 2: LSD every day for one hundred and seventy four consecutive days. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's half a year.
Speaker 3: So literally six months straight every day being forced to
Speaker 3: ingest LSD. This is a mental patient who gets what
Speaker 3: everybody they can't give consent. That's impossible for somebody who
Speaker 3: has a mental deficiency of some type to say yes,
Speaker 3: I agree to this experiment being done to me. This
Speaker 3: is this is so much deeper than just rape, Like,
Speaker 3: this is so so fucked up against this person's will.
Speaker 2: It's mental rape, it's physical rape. I mean, it's spiritual rape.
Speaker 2: It's every kind of rape stacked on top of each other.
Speaker 2: This is I'm I'm ashamed to even be a part
Speaker 2: of this conversation right now. To be real with you.
Speaker 3: And y'all, not all these conversations are fun. Sometimes we
Speaker 3: have lighthearted episodes. We talk about some funny, hahahoho kind
Speaker 3: of things. Yeah, for sure, so as to get into
Speaker 3: the religion. Sometimes we get into the woo woo, fine,
Speaker 3: we're here for all of that. This is not one
Speaker 3: of those episodes. This is again certified, documented, factual information.
Speaker 3: And the sad and hard truth of this is that
Speaker 3: this is a part of our job. We have to
Speaker 3: talk about all of it, and some of it is
Speaker 3: very dark, disgusting things. Here's where we are.
Speaker 2: It's part of our country's history, it's part of our
Speaker 2: government's history, and so you need to know what you're
Speaker 2: messing with. If you're somebody that's like, oh, the government
Speaker 2: said so, so I believe it. Make sure you believe
Speaker 2: everything that they've done. Now, okay, just make sure you
Speaker 2: understand the good with the bad. Okay, absolutely, So, here
Speaker 2: are the uh oh, here we go. So the mental
Speaker 2: patient god LSD every day for one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: four consecutive days. Elsewhere, Whitey Balger reported that he would
Speaker 2: be dosed with LSD monitor by a physician and repeatedly
Speaker 2: asked leading questions like would you ever kill anyone? He
Speaker 2: later suggested that his murderous career as a crime lord
Speaker 2: was partially brought on by his participation in MK ultra's
Speaker 2: mind control experiments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was one of the more brutal mob bosses.
Speaker 3: By the way, if anybody doesn't know about Whitey Bulger,
Speaker 3: I think Johnny Depp just played him in a movie
Speaker 3: as America. That was good and they took some creative
Speaker 3: liberties with some of the things from the story. But
Speaker 3: you could even go back and look at former mob
Speaker 3: bosses that are now speaking out about their former crime life.
Speaker 3: Every one of them agrees. You know, Whitey Bulger was
Speaker 3: not to be fucked with, Like, if you're trying to
Speaker 3: make a deal with him, it better be an in
Speaker 3: and out deal. Do not get into bed with him
Speaker 3: for any longer than what's absolutely understood to need to happen,
Speaker 3: because he'd be just as likely to pull the trigger
Speaker 3: on one of his own men because he felt like
Speaker 3: it one day than he would somebody who wronged him.
Speaker 2: Bro Our government essentially created Whitey Bulger, the character that
Speaker 2: he eventually ended up being.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. That's then whenever everybody was freaking
Speaker 3: out because he was an informant, it's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: he was a government plant from day one. That's how
Speaker 3: that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy. Uh So, then we get to the unibomber
Speaker 2: Ted's Kazensky. So this is a picture of him in
Speaker 2: a prison in nineteen ninety nine. Uh Ted Kaczenski may
Speaker 2: have also been involved on as a subject in the
Speaker 2: MK ultra mind control experiments conducted at Harvard in the
Speaker 2: early nineteen sixties. Another undocumented but suspected participant was the
Speaker 2: infamous Charles Manson, convicted of ordering a string of brutal
Speaker 2: Los Angeles murders that shocked the nation back in sixty nine.
Speaker 2: According to author Tom O'Neil and Chaos, I want to
Speaker 2: get this guy on the show. He's been making his
Speaker 2: rounds and going on other shows. He wrote a book.
Speaker 2: He was the fucking next door neighbor to Charles Manson.
Speaker 3: Bro Wow, like at the ranch or like growing up.
Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think it was like as I
Speaker 2: don't want to misspeak, but he was his next door
Speaker 2: neighbor for a long time. That's wild, so Tom O'Neil.
Speaker 2: He wrote a book called Chaos, Charles Manson, the CIA
Speaker 2: and the Secret History of the Sixties. Manson not only
Speaker 2: had people in his circle later connected to the CIA,
Speaker 2: but the way in which he ran his cult by
Speaker 2: doping his followers with constant flow of LSD, was oddly
Speaker 2: similar to the kinds of experiments carried out by mk Ultra.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Keep in mind, dude, nineteen sixty nine,
Speaker 3: the same year that we allegedly put a man on
Speaker 3: the moon, we also have Charles Manson with these murders,
Speaker 3: and everybody wants to act like the two are not
Speaker 3: equally part of the mind controlled narrative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, people just believe whatever was on TV
Speaker 2: right in front of them. Didn't question how they were receiving,
Speaker 2: you know, live live footage from the Moon. I mean,
Speaker 2: you received live footage in real time from the Moon,
Speaker 2: and nobody questioned that there was somebody already on the
Speaker 2: moon to like film the fucking Space Shuttle landing. It's like,
Speaker 2: oh my odd.
Speaker 3: Hey, you listening right now? You feel that that's your
Speaker 3: third eye opening a little bit right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's bust an open, baby, bust that motherfucker open.
Speaker 2: So so, anyway, the unsuspecting subjects of MK Ultra weren't
Speaker 2: all civilians, though some of them were CIA operatives themselves.
Speaker 2: Gottlieb claimed that he wanted to study the effects of
Speaker 2: LSD in quote unquote normal settings, and so he began
Speaker 2: to administer LSD to CIA officials without warning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this was pretty crazy, dude. For about fifteen years,
Speaker 3: agents of the CIA would just start like slipping each
Speaker 3: other LSD in their coffee and shit, just as practical
Speaker 3: jokes around the office also super documented and verified, Like, Bro,
Speaker 3: could you imagine you're working for one of the most
Speaker 3: powerful secret organizations in the government and you don't even
Speaker 3: know if you can go grab your cup of joe
Speaker 3: from the fucking office lunch room because you don't know
Speaker 3: if old Dick two offices down just slipped a massive
Speaker 3: dose of LSD in the pot.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah. Yeah, So it was played on as jokes,
Speaker 2: but also it was the experiment itself, so they it was.
Speaker 2: It was purpose behind it. It wasn't just like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me fuck with this guy. It probably turned.
Speaker 3: Into that, but some of that for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was definitely some of that, but it was
Speaker 2: administered like it was. It was being monitored.
Speaker 3: Okay, bro, and everybody in that building's armed. Yo. Fuck
Speaker 3: that slipped somebody some LSD when they guaranteed have a
Speaker 3: pistol on their waist, Like you're asking for shit to
Speaker 3: go sideways.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the experiments continued for over a decade. Wow,
Speaker 2: they did it for over a decade to each other.
Speaker 3: In fifteen years, my bad a decade give or.
Speaker 2: Take even well, it says over a decade, so it
Speaker 2: could have been fifteen years. Even after an army scientist
Speaker 2: doctor Frank Olsen began to suffer from drug induced depression
Speaker 2: and jumped out of a thirteen story window right at
Speaker 2: the project's outset in nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 3: So even though they had horrible experiences with it and like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, maybe we shouldn't do that anymore. Nah, fuck that,
Speaker 3: the experiment must go on.
Speaker 2: What was it back in that day? Like marijuana madness?
Speaker 2: What was the term that you refer madness? Dude, refer madness?
Speaker 2: Remember the all the commercials they made a movie out
Speaker 2: of that. They were trying to show everybody, this is
Speaker 2: the effects of your mind on THC. Meanwhile, it was
Speaker 2: really LSD, Like everything that they were talking about was
Speaker 2: was exactly the effects of LSD.
Speaker 3: And they still have some of that remnants today. Refer madness,
Speaker 3: that stupid fucking black and white movie where you know
Speaker 3: it was all about racism. It was to show basically,
Speaker 3: these these people from south of the border coming here
Speaker 3: with that reefer and their madness. If a white man
Speaker 3: smokes it, he's gonna go into a frenzy of rage
Speaker 3: and rapiness. And it's like bro first of all, first
Speaker 3: and I even heard it was a politician like ten
Speaker 3: years ago. I think who was like, good people don't
Speaker 3: smoke marijuana. We do know that marijuana rage is the thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, first of all, tell me you know nothing
Speaker 3: about weed. Without telling me you know nothing about weed,
Speaker 3: I have never in my life seen might ever take
Speaker 3: a hit off of j and then get angry about
Speaker 3: fuck all.
Speaker 2: So maybe a little paranoid, but sure. I mean, you're
Speaker 2: not even getting up off the couch to go look
Speaker 2: out the window to you if you're paranoid, Like, dude,
Speaker 2: I don't even want to fuck one of ro. I'm
Speaker 2: too high, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: want to do anything when of ro I'm too high
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 3: It was so stupid, But again to your point, it
Speaker 3: was all about the image. It was about the what
Speaker 3: can we put out into the public zeitgeist to keep
Speaker 3: people away from this horrible thing. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 3: How about you drink some laudanum, which is poisoned opium. Right,
Speaker 3: we're gonna do that. But all that natural marijuana flower Nah, Nah,
Speaker 3: that's that's a devil atis it's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So for those who survive the fallout of the
Speaker 2: experiments included things like depression, antoorgrade and taro grade. Oh
Speaker 2: there we go, and tarograde and retrograde amnesia, paralysis, withdrawal, confusion, disorientation, pain, insomnia,
Speaker 2: schizophrenic like mental states. As a result of the experiments,
Speaker 2: long term effects like these largely went untreated and unreported
Speaker 2: to authorities, of course they did so. How mk ultra's
Speaker 2: mind control experiments finally came to light in early nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy three, in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal. CIA
Speaker 2: director Richard Helms ordered all mk ultra files be destroyed.
Speaker 2: He feared that all government agencies would be investigated and
Speaker 2: hoped and he would not risk a breach of information
Speaker 2: on such a controversial topic. But in nineteen seventy five,
Speaker 2: President gerald Off Folde commissioned an investigation into the CIA activities,
Speaker 2: hoping to eradicate conspiracies within the organization. Two community or
Speaker 2: two committees rather spawned from the investigation, the Church Committee
Speaker 2: of the United States Congress and the Rockefeller Commission.
Speaker 3: So these so let's not forget Gerald Ford, who was
Speaker 3: not a lie to the office of the presidency. Right,
Speaker 3: he's the only president, as a matter of fact, that
Speaker 3: was Speaker of the House and then became president, and
Speaker 3: then you realize that he was on the Warrant Commission
Speaker 3: who investigated the Kennedy assassination. Two weeks of investigation, they
Speaker 3: declared that it was clearly Lee Harvey Oswald. Never mind
Speaker 3: of where Gerald Ford was before, he was a part
Speaker 3: of the Warren Commission, and then while he was president,
Speaker 3: he's trying to blow the lid off of all these
Speaker 3: other organizations. You think maybe he was placed there on
Speaker 3: purpose and that there was a conspiracy at play. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you get rid of mk ULTRA and you
Speaker 2: replace it with the Rockefeller Commission. Good job, You fucking
Speaker 2: did us a solid one there, Bud fucking American hero.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So the overall investigation revealed that Helms had destroyed most
Speaker 2: of the evidence regarding mk ULTRA, but that same year,
Speaker 2: a collection of eight thousand documents were discovered in a
Speaker 2: financial records building and later released under a Freedom of
Speaker 2: Information Act request. In nineteen seventy seven, when the remaining
Speaker 2: documents were made available to the public, and IT launched
Speaker 2: a collection of hearings on the ethics of the project
Speaker 2: later that year. Survivors soon filed lawsuits against the CIA
Speaker 2: and the federal government. Regarding regarding informed Consent laws in
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety two, seventy seven form form former seventy seven
Speaker 2: former mk Ultra participants were awarded a settlement, though many
Speaker 2: more were denied any retribution because of how difficult it
Speaker 2: was for them to prove definitively that these secret experiments
Speaker 2: caused their mental anguish.
Speaker 3: Well, most of the records were either redacted or destroyed.
Speaker 3: So you just have this person who's quote unquote mentally handicapped,
Speaker 3: is unable to hold a job, is tortured and traumatized
Speaker 3: beyond all belief, and they're saying that it was because
Speaker 3: of Alan Dulles in this agency. But sorry, we have
Speaker 3: no record of your name anywhere near this agency. What
Speaker 3: are you talking about, bro?
Speaker 2: And So whenever you hear like you'll go on to
Speaker 2: social media or YouTube or something like that, and you'll
Speaker 2: hear about people who know for a fact that they
Speaker 2: were involved in to Winter Soldier like experiments and they
Speaker 2: talk about how like literally all of their attributes and
Speaker 2: all of their abilities were enhanced big time, like literally
Speaker 2: Winter Soldier type shit. And you see them they're talking
Speaker 2: about it, and they're going in depth about you know
Speaker 2: what they experienced and what they know. But the problem
Speaker 2: is is that so many people will look at that
Speaker 2: and they'll be like, oh, well, this guy's just trying
Speaker 2: to get a little bit of fame. This guy's just
Speaker 2: trying to be somebody. But if you hear them speak
Speaker 2: like it makes they know too much to be making
Speaker 2: it up. And so then you're you know, that person's
Speaker 2: gonna get labeled crazy. He's going to get labeled to
Speaker 2: schizophrenic or conspiracy theorist. And it's just swept underneath the rug.
Speaker 2: That's part of the programming of this reality.
Speaker 3: And that's the problem, dude. There's tons of grifters, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. There's tons of people that will
Speaker 3: just try to ride the way for fame and four
Speaker 3: notoriety and claim that they were somewhere that they weren't,
Speaker 3: and you could look at their whereabouts and like, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, you're saying that you were part of NK Ultra.
Speaker 3: The age record says that you were in middle school
Speaker 3: in Wyoming at that time, and you know, well they
Speaker 3: changed the records. That's not real. It's like, okay, so
Speaker 3: it becomes.
Speaker 2: Impossible to prove at that point and which is actually
Speaker 2: which is done on purpose. So yeah, there are absolutely
Speaker 2: people out there that are that they just want to
Speaker 2: be famous, and that's part of the fucking operation itself.
Speaker 2: I believe. I think that this is all part of
Speaker 2: the plan to be able to just dismiss these kinds
Speaker 2: of stories. Right, it's such a large plot that not
Speaker 2: everybody's full of shit, But then you got to worry
Speaker 2: about the people that are, and that's part of the
Speaker 2: confusion that was brought forward by mko Ultra in the
Speaker 2: first place. So here we go, let's get back to it.
Speaker 2: So back in twenty eighteen, the families of a group
Speaker 2: of ex patients filed a class action lawsuit against the
Speaker 2: provincial and federal governments of Canada for the experiments doctor
Speaker 2: Cameron ran on their loved ones in the sixties. Since
Speaker 2: the documents were revealed, countless shows and movies have been
Speaker 2: inspired by mk ultra's mind control experiments, most notably The
Speaker 2: Men Who Stare At Goats, the Jason Bourne series, and
Speaker 2: Stranger Things. So excited new season A Stranger Things can
Speaker 2: be coming out in a month. I'm fucking stoked for it.
Speaker 2: But Stranger Things is it's pulling off of mk ultra.
Speaker 2: The Philadelphia experiment and all that. So whenever you see eleven,
Speaker 2: like in those century deprivation tanks and they're shocking the
Speaker 2: fuck out of her and they have like, you know,
Speaker 2: all those electrodes on her brain and everything, that's not
Speaker 2: a made up fictional fantasy, Like they pulled that from fact,
Speaker 2: from history, So it's real shit. I mean, yeah, seeing
Speaker 2: the upside down whatever that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Of course you're gonna take liberties and making it awesome
Speaker 2: for a TV show, But the ways in which they
Speaker 2: administered these types of these types of experiments was smart
Speaker 2: on so anyway, it says. The government does not deny
Speaker 2: that the MK Ultra experiments took place, but most of
Speaker 2: what transpired remains a mystery. It has admitted that the
Speaker 2: experiments took place across eight institutions and often on unwinning subjects.
Speaker 2: Most of the discussions surrounding the experiments today comes from
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorists. The CIA is adamant that the experiments ceased
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty three and that all related experiments were
Speaker 2: abandoned due to the destruction of records, the secrecy surrounding
Speaker 2: the project, and its various ever changing code names. Conspiracy
Speaker 2: theorists aren't so sure. Some of them even believe that
Speaker 2: the experiments are still taking place today. There is, of course,
Speaker 2: no way to be sure.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they Why what they were getting real results
Speaker 3: from it, and they were able to accurately create a killer,
Speaker 3: create a cult leader, create a best selling a musical artist.
Speaker 3: Why would they stop? Yeah, they got caught in all
Speaker 3: these things, dude, they would just go deeper underground. Why
Speaker 3: would they stop this?
Speaker 2: Exactly? Everything's so compartmentalized that it like only a said
Speaker 2: group of people are even aware that the shit's going on.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard we're supposed to believe the CI
Speaker 3: developed a concience out of nowhere. We're really about to
Speaker 3: have that conversation. I'm sorry, that's just not true, dude.
Speaker 2: I've heard basically what whistleblowers come out and they're talking
Speaker 2: about whatever it is, whatever they're whistleblowing on, whether it
Speaker 2: be you know, Edward Snowden as far as Big brother
Speaker 2: antics and all that stuff, or you know, other people
Speaker 2: documenting alien activity whatever. But basically there's been people that
Speaker 2: have said that, like, look, I'll be in a in
Speaker 2: a like in a little conference room, around a table,
Speaker 2: around a table of people that are talking about a
Speaker 2: specific subject, a specific subject, right, and it's it's all encompassing.
Speaker 2: So you have this person that knows this, this person
Speaker 2: that knows that, they'll say that, Like the person I'm
Speaker 2: sitting next to is so compartmentalized that I don't even
Speaker 2: know what they're involved in. I just know that they're
Speaker 2: involved in the program in some way. So it's so compartmentalized.
Speaker 2: And they do that on purpose, you know, so that
Speaker 2: bring that works.
Speaker 3: Usually spies don't know who else out there as a spy.
Speaker 3: They have their point of contact that they report back to,
Speaker 3: and that's it. How many times have we seen reports
Speaker 3: of like or I know, I have any way of
Speaker 3: like guys that were doing like counter terrorism operations, counter
Speaker 3: drug operations. And no I don't mean like Seal Team six, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I mean like actual three letter agencies, things that you've
Speaker 3: never heard of before. They'll be in a room, you know,
Speaker 3: some some bar or some cafe somewhere, and they're looking
Speaker 3: at their target. Right. Come to find out years later
Speaker 3: they had five agents in that room, all looking at
Speaker 3: the same target, and none of them knew about each other.
Speaker 3: That's real shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So it's basically ghost activity essentially. So that
Speaker 2: brings us to this and this is something rather peculiar
Speaker 2: timing in which they released this information. Uh, they released
Speaker 2: this information on Christmas Eve of last year. Ooh, perfect
Speaker 2: time to release and drop a bombshell on something like this,
Speaker 2: because you're out with your family, you're getting Christmas presents,
Speaker 2: you're you're in the festivities as one does during the
Speaker 2: during the holiday season. Right, so you dropped something.
Speaker 3: Into this absolutely hell, we even get We do this
Speaker 3: for a living. I remember hearing that something else had dropped.
Speaker 3: I didn't pay no mine.
Speaker 2: Yet because it's so flooded with all this crazy other
Speaker 2: shit that's going on. And then you couple that, because
Speaker 2: think about it, Trump had just gotten elected, he had
Speaker 2: just gotten into the White House. Things are starting to change, right. No, no,
Speaker 2: he wasn't even in the White House yet. I think
Speaker 2: that wasn't until January.
Speaker 3: But he had been elected, got elected, and he had
Speaker 3: just got shot in the fucking head, and all these
Speaker 3: things had taken place.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's that, right, And so they they they
Speaker 2: release it basically in the shadows. They release it in
Speaker 2: places they know that you're not gonna look. And so
Speaker 2: and then we don't hear about it for months or
Speaker 2: years or decades later. Right, So here we go. What
Speaker 2: is this is by Newsweek, by the way, it says,
Speaker 2: what is mk Ultra? CIA secret mind control program records unsealed?
Speaker 2: So new shit, here we go. So newly declassified records
Speaker 2: on the CIA's infamous mk Ultra program have been published
Speaker 2: by the National Security Archive and pro Quest. The collection,
Speaker 2: which was released on Monday, includes over twelve hundred documents
Speaker 2: detailing the CIA's experiments with drugs, hypnosis, and other mind
Speaker 2: control techniques during the Cold War. Newsweek has contacted the
Speaker 2: National Security Archive and the CIA via email for comment.
Speaker 2: So the mk ulture remains one of the most controversial
Speaker 2: chapters in US intelligence history. Its experiments often targeted unwitting
Speaker 2: individuals and left lasting psychological damage on participants. The declassified
Speaker 2: documents shed light on a program shrouded in secrecy since then.
Speaker 2: CIA director Richard Helms ordered most of its records to
Speaker 2: be destroyed in nineteen seventy three. The documents will prompt
Speaker 2: further discussions on mk Ultra's implications on ethical boundaries in
Speaker 2: scientific research and governmental oversight. So the CIA explored mind
Speaker 2: control techniques during the Cold War under code name like
Speaker 2: mk Ultra, Bluebird, and Artichoke. Experiments included administering LSD, employing
Speaker 2: sensory deprivation, and including amnesia on unwinning US and Canadian citizens.
Speaker 2: The newly published records include a nineteen fifty plan for
Speaker 2: in quotes interrogation teams to use on drugs and hypnosis,
Speaker 2: and a nineteen fifty six memo approving high dose LSD
Speaker 2: experiments on federal prisoners. Another document describes the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: three CIA Inspector General report that questioned using unknowing Americans
Speaker 2: as test subjects Unknowing unknowing no telling how many people,
Speaker 2: which people right, It's just onknowing. The records also delve
Speaker 2: into a mysterious nineteen fifty three death of Frank Olsen,
Speaker 2: a scientist covertly dosed with LSD who died ten days
Speaker 2: later in a fall from a New York hotel. Officially
Speaker 2: ruled a suicide, Olsen's death remains a focal point for
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories alleging CIA foul play. Due to most mk
Speaker 2: Ultra documents having been destroyed in the nineteen seventy three
Speaker 2: cover up, most surviving files come from Foyer requests and
Speaker 2: contributions from whistleblowers and historians. So what people are saying?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 2: Says National Security Archive in a statement, It says, despite
Speaker 2: the agency's efforts to erase this hidden history, the documents
Speaker 2: that survive this purge and that have been gathered together
Speaker 2: here present a compelling and unsettling narrative of the CIA's
Speaker 2: decades long effort to discover and test ways to erase
Speaker 2: and reprogram the human mind. The collection is also of
Speaker 2: great value of those to those interested in learning more
Speaker 2: about the early years of the CIA and some of
Speaker 2: its major personalities, such as Alan Dulles, Richard Helms, Richard Bissel,
Speaker 2: Frank Frank's Wisner, and others who envisioned and created the
Speaker 2: intelligence agency that favored bold, often covert action, and where
Speaker 2: controversial projects like mk ULTRA could secretly take root and flourish.
Speaker 2: In so, the nineteen seventy five congres Resational Committee into
Speaker 2: mk Ultra, headed by Senator Frank Church, in its report,
Speaker 2: says this the United States must not adopt the tactics
Speaker 2: of the enemy. Means are as important as important as ends.
Speaker 2: Crisises make it tempting to ignore the wise restraints that
Speaker 2: make men free. But each time we do so, each
Speaker 2: each time we do so, each time the means we
Speaker 2: are that we use are wrong, are inner strength. The
Speaker 2: strength which makes us free is lessened. So it says historian.
Speaker 3: Government official to say so many times that the ends
Speaker 3: justify the means. Listen, I understand are in time of war. Okay,
Speaker 3: I understand he got a crack a few eggs to
Speaker 3: make an omelet. I get that. It's not a comfortable
Speaker 3: conversation I have, but I get it. This guy just
Speaker 3: used that as his defense like three separate times in
Speaker 3: that one statement. So what he's basically saying is we're
Speaker 3: going to do what we want and there's nothing you
Speaker 3: can do about it because it's quote unquote for the
Speaker 3: greater good. And it is because we said so.
Speaker 2: Exactly. So, it says historians and researchers are expected to
Speaker 2: analyze the documents to better understand mk ultra scope and implications. Further,
Speaker 2: public discussions may arise about governmental accountability and boundaries in
Speaker 2: intelligence operations. So it doesn't dive in too deep as
Speaker 2: far as specific experiments, but it does say that there
Speaker 2: were twelve hundred more documents that were just uncovered and
Speaker 2: they're going through them right now. So yeah, yeah, pretty
Speaker 2: wild shit. That leads us into I actually had to
Speaker 2: pull it up on Normally I used duc ugg, but
Speaker 2: I think I had to use this one for chrome.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 2: So that leads us into what possibly came from that.
Speaker 2: And this is something that I personally had never heard
Speaker 2: of before because we always talk about MK ultra. But
Speaker 2: have you ever heard of Project MK often?
Speaker 3: I feel like I've heard of it before, but because
Speaker 3: it was MK whatever, I kind of just lumped it
Speaker 3: in my brain as the same kind of thing as MK.
Speaker 3: All probably a subset of or something like that, kind
Speaker 3: of like artic choke, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 3: to answer your question, no, I don't know much about it,
Speaker 3: but I feel like I've heard of it before.
Speaker 2: All right, So Project MK often the CIA's foray into
Speaker 2: occult and behavioral research. Oh they love a fuck They
Speaker 2: expanded upon it.
Speaker 3: Oh so now not only do we have mind controlling
Speaker 3: LSD and all this stuff on unwilling substjects, but now
Speaker 3: we're gonna go ahead and throw in the occult and
Speaker 3: dark magic, remember, because that's what we needed. Next.
Speaker 2: Remember, they brought the poison expert over from Germany and
Speaker 2: called him the black uh Sorcerer.
Speaker 3: Sorcerer.
Speaker 2: Ye right, So of course it was going to expand
Speaker 2: into this again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we said that. We even said it earlier in
Speaker 3: this episode. That's not just some fly by night nickname
Speaker 3: that you would give a guy uh uh okay. And
Speaker 3: especially in the sixties whenever we had help me out
Speaker 3: guy who was involved with putting a man on the Moon,
Speaker 3: that was big with Alistair Crowley Parsons.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jack Parsons, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Jack Parsons right. Alistair craw had just come through America
Speaker 3: around that timeframe. All of these things. So then on
Speaker 3: top of all of this shit going on, and these
Speaker 3: MK ultra fucks are creating serial killers and all that,
Speaker 3: now we're gonna just throw in some occult black magic
Speaker 3: into the mix. I wonder where that gets its basis from.
Speaker 3: I'm excited, let's go So.
Speaker 2: Project MK often was one of the most enigmatic and
Speaker 2: bizarre programs undertaken by the Central Intelligence Agency during the
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties and early seventies. It was part of a
Speaker 2: broader CI. It was part of the broader CIA efforts
Speaker 2: to into mind control and behavioral modification, sharing similarities with
Speaker 2: the notorious MK Ultra program. However, what set MK often
Speaker 2: apart was its focus on exploring the fringes of human consciousness,
Speaker 2: occult practices, black magic, and the potential use of the
Speaker 2: supernatural phenomena for military and intelligence purposes. While much about
Speaker 2: Project MK often remained shrouded in secrecy, declassified doc ims, testimonies,
Speaker 2: and investigations provide some insight into the bizarre and ethically
Speaker 2: questionable experiments conducted under the program. This detailed exploration of
Speaker 2: Project MK often will delve into its origins, key objectives,
Speaker 2: notable experiments, and its controversial legacy in the annals of
Speaker 2: CIA Black ops history. So let's get into it. The
Speaker 2: origins of Project MK often the Cold War paranoia and
Speaker 2: CIA psyching. To understand the genesis of Project MK, often
Speaker 2: we must first consider the broader historical context in which
Speaker 2: it was conceived. The Cold War between the United States.
Speaker 2: Oh said context. Did you get a little bricked over there, Jacob.
Speaker 3: A little bit. I'm a little chubbed up just hearing you.
Speaker 3: It's like, ooh historical context, oh ho tall dirty.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the Cold War between the United States and the
Speaker 2: Soviet Union was in full swing, and both superpowers were
Speaker 2: desperate to gain an edge in the realms of intelligence,
Speaker 2: military strategy, and psychological warfare. This environment of heightened paranoia
Speaker 2: led the United States government to explore unconventional method of
Speaker 2: gathering intelligence, manipulating human behavior, and even gaining insight into
Speaker 2: the metaphysical or paranormal realms. The CIA, under Director Alan Dulles,
Speaker 2: was tasked with investigating any and all possible ways to
Speaker 2: influence and control human behavior, including techniques that might seem
Speaker 2: outlandish or improbable. The agency's interest in psychological manipulation, drugs,
Speaker 2: and altered states of consciousness had already been established through
Speaker 2: Project mk Ultra, which sought to develop methods for brainwashing, interrogation,
Speaker 2: and mind control using LSD, elect electroshock therapy and other
Speaker 2: psychological techniques. Mkultro, launched in the early nineteen fifties, conducted
Speaker 2: a wide range of experiments, many of which involved dosing
Speaker 2: unwitting subjects with LSD and other psychoactive substances in an
Speaker 2: attempt to uncover methods for manipulating the human mind. By
Speaker 2: the late nineteen sixties, as Mkultra wound down, the CIA's
Speaker 2: appetite for exploring the limits of human consciousness had not diminished.
Speaker 2: This interest paved the way for the creation of Project
Speaker 2: MK often Oh goosebumps. I'm ready for this one, baby.
Speaker 3: My god, dude, and I could I could even understand,
Speaker 3: and I understand. I could see them having this conversation, like, listen, listen,
Speaker 3: we just heard that the Russians got some witch doctors
Speaker 3: over there, and they're calling out demons for their military
Speaker 3: Why are we not throwing money into demon research. We
Speaker 3: need to do it now, Just take my money and
Speaker 3: like next thing, you know, where got government contracted witches
Speaker 3: to call upon demons for military purpose. I could see
Speaker 3: it already, dude.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, it gets kind of crazy. But also
Speaker 2: don't forget I mean paper Clip involved, you know, bringing
Speaker 2: over Nazi scientists Hitler and the other guy, what was
Speaker 2: his name, Hassan Rudolph he S. Hitler and Rudolph Hes
Speaker 2: were heavily involved into this kind of work already. So
Speaker 2: we brought them over or you know, constituents thereof over
Speaker 2: to the United States. And this was probably something that
Speaker 2: they had been working on for decades already.
Speaker 3: It was just something that was in on the dark
Speaker 3: magic and the occult, the Thule Society. We've done whole
Speaker 3: episodes about Nazi occultism and black magic that they were
Speaker 3: using and diving into. So if we already got these
Speaker 3: scientists that are helping us develop rockets Warner von Braun
Speaker 3: or helping us develop MK ultra, like your boy that
Speaker 3: worked for Hesse and all of these things, oh wait
Speaker 3: a minute, y'all already know about the dark magic. And
Speaker 3: they're just like, you mean our religion. Yes, we may
Speaker 3: have read a book or two and it's like, oh man,
Speaker 3: let's do this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's not uncharted territory. Whenever they reference and
Speaker 2: frame it like this, like oh, well, they were just
Speaker 2: trying to gain an advantage against the Russians, it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you already had people in place that were working on
Speaker 2: this already. You use this as an excuse to dive
Speaker 2: in deeper into the research of it is really what
Speaker 2: was going on. So the objectives of Project MK often
Speaker 2: exploring the occult and supernatural. By the way, this is
Speaker 2: from medium dot com. I love that fucking website. It's
Speaker 2: so it's it's great, so anybody it's ever it's always
Speaker 2: very well documented. So unlike MK Ultra, which focused primarily
Speaker 2: on drugs and psychological Manipulation Project MK often ventured into
Speaker 2: more esoteric territory. The project was launched in the late
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties with the specific objective of exploring the darker
Speaker 2: fringes of human consciousness, the occult and supernatural phenomena. Some
Speaker 2: of the areas of investigation under MK often included number one,
Speaker 2: the occult. In black magic, the CIA wanted to understand
Speaker 2: the potential military applications of black magic and occult practices.
Speaker 2: Just that sentence alone, You're like, what world are we
Speaker 2: living in?
Speaker 3: Because you know, you know what those warfighters need on
Speaker 3: the front lines.
Speaker 2: Some sorcerers, some fucking demons. Yeah, let's bring over the
Speaker 2: dark side.
Speaker 3: Well, you're telling me we could just like call upon
Speaker 3: a skin walker to go fuck up the entire front
Speaker 3: line of the enemy and save all of our troops. Listen,
Speaker 3: why are we not funding this, bro? Yeah again, I could.
Speaker 3: I already I think a shot called this one. I
Speaker 3: didn't actually think it was gonna happen to that extent,
Speaker 3: but like, here we are.
Speaker 2: This involves studying rituals, symbols, and practices from various occult traditions,
Speaker 2: including Satanism, witchcraft, and voodoo. The agency was interested in
Speaker 2: whether these practices could influence human behavior or be weaponized
Speaker 2: in some way. So the same think about it here
Speaker 2: for a second. We just got done, listen, we just
Speaker 2: got done reading about whenever they decided disperse, to disperse
Speaker 2: MK ultra right with Gerald Ford, there was uh, he
Speaker 2: brought in the Rockefeller Foundation, but then also the church. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: remember they brought apart. I can't remember the specific name
Speaker 2: of it, but they brought in some kind of church
Speaker 2: officials to work within the government.
Speaker 3: Shortly after that commission, the Church commission, that's what that was.
Speaker 2: Shortly after that, they're delving into black magic, satanism, witchcraft,
Speaker 2: and voodoo. Make it make sense?
Speaker 3: I want to, but I simply can't. But I mean,
Speaker 3: as far as like everybody's saying the government is evil, listen,
Speaker 3: we're not even guessing it at this point, they're showing.
Speaker 2: It right in front of you. So good God number two.
Speaker 2: So after the occult in black magic, they were also
Speaker 2: interested in supernatural phenomena. MK often also explored the possibility
Speaker 2: of using supernatural forces such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and other
Speaker 2: psychic abilities to gather intelligence or manipulate enemies. This overlap
Speaker 2: with the CIA's interest in remote viewing as seen programs
Speaker 2: like Stargate suggested that the agency hope to find real
Speaker 2: world applications for extrasensory perception or ESP or other mystical abilities.
Speaker 3: So the people talked about Project Stargate more than a
Speaker 3: few times.
Speaker 2: So the people that look at like, oh, the CIA,
Speaker 2: they were just you know, they were just messing around
Speaker 2: with remote viewing. It wasn't theyven really taking very serious.
Speaker 2: Oh no, they utilized the fuck.
Speaker 3: Out of it.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is not like, oh, it's just one of
Speaker 2: the things. No help them majorly. So anyway, that's just
Speaker 2: one of the facets of this program. Number three, of course,
Speaker 2: drug induced paranormal experiences. Building on MK Ultra's research into drugs,
Speaker 2: MK often investigated whether certain substances could induce paranormal experiences,
Speaker 2: out of body sensations or altered states of consciousness that
Speaker 2: might be useful for intelligence gathering or psychological manipulation. The
Speaker 2: project involved a number of psychoactive substances, both natural and synthetic,
Speaker 2: in an attempt to enhance individual psychic or supernatural abilities.
Speaker 2: It had to go there, It had to go that.
Speaker 3: It simply must like, they can't help themselves.
Speaker 2: Number four, Behavioral manipulation through occult symbolism. Let's go baby.
Speaker 2: Whenever you're watching the Super Bowl halftime show, you're like,
Speaker 2: why is it that Rihanna's holding up the Illuminati symbol?
Speaker 2: Why is this going on? Whenever you see who was
Speaker 2: just the most recent one on stage that was calling
Speaker 2: out Drake Eiadrick Lamoar, Kendrick Lamar, And you see a
Speaker 2: lot of the symbolism. There's a little bit of Illuminanti,
Speaker 2: a little bit of Satanism. You're like, why is that? Well, well,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe a little MK often in there. So
Speaker 2: behavioral manipulation through a cult symbolism. Another key objective of
Speaker 2: MK often was to determine whether human behavior could be
Speaker 2: influenced or controlled using occult symbols, rituals, or imagery. The
Speaker 2: CIA was particularly interested in the potential for psychological warfare
Speaker 2: and whether occult practices could induce fear, confusion, or compliance
Speaker 2: in enemies. Enemies meaning your own fucking citizens.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Yeah, if you were using this
Speaker 3: strictly against your enemies in a war zone or something,
Speaker 3: I'm not even saying that's okay, But like I could
Speaker 3: at least put the pieces together in my head. Right,
Speaker 3: But when what classifies enemy? Right? What do they classify
Speaker 3: as an enemy? Somebody that won't fall in line, for instance,
Speaker 3: could be considered an enemy of the state, homegrown, something
Speaker 3: like that. And keep in mind, this is the same
Speaker 3: entity that created Charles Manson and Whitey Bulger, those we
Speaker 3: would call enemies of the state, but they created them.
Speaker 3: So where are we really drawing the line here?
Speaker 2: You're either with us or you're against us. That's how
Speaker 2: they look at you.
Speaker 3: Okay, Higgins always justify the means to these people.
Speaker 2: Always so so Yeah, occult symbolism, they're absolutely utilizing it
Speaker 2: back then and to today. It's not hard to find
Speaker 2: watch any Disney movie, any of them, any fucking Disney movie,
Speaker 2: you'll find it, Okay, nextly, And that's not just only Disney,
Speaker 2: it's just like the most obvious within Disney. It's really
Speaker 2: all over the place. Whether you're watching a baseball game,
Speaker 2: whether you're watching a Hollywood movie, whether you're watching the news.
Speaker 2: They subconsciously throw out these little suggestions all the time
Speaker 2: and you don't even consciously pick up on them, but
Speaker 2: for some reason, your subconscious does. Because your subconscious records everything,
Speaker 2: and this is something that they have taken control of baseball.
Speaker 3: You mean Masonic ball, yes, sir, the square on compass.
Speaker 3: It's in how you go to the right handed path
Speaker 3: when you hit the ball. And we did a whole
Speaker 3: episode on it. Ladies and gentlemen, go back and check
Speaker 3: that one out. But like, yeah, it's there's no escaping
Speaker 3: it at.
Speaker 2: This point, absolutely not. So another way that they would
Speaker 2: use it is psychic warfare in mind control. Some of
Speaker 2: the more speculative goals of MK often included the idea
Speaker 2: that psychic warfare, using mental powers to influence others, could
Speaker 2: be developed into a practical tool for military or espionage purposes.
Speaker 2: The CIA explored the possibility that individuals with advanced psychic
Speaker 2: abilities could be trained to project thoughts, control others' minds,
Speaker 2: and even perform telekinesis.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I remember us learning about the uh Stargate program,
Speaker 3: and like they the people that were able to do
Speaker 3: the things were people that were able to do the things.
Speaker 3: I all the research that I read, they trying to
Speaker 3: get your average normy to be able to unlock those
Speaker 3: abilities within themselves. I didn't find any reports showing that
Speaker 3: they were able to successfully do that, but they also
Speaker 3: didn't deny that people some people are born with these
Speaker 3: extra abilities that can't be explained, and they were right
Speaker 3: more often than they were wrong.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I don't know, yeah, and that's what
Speaker 2: they say. There was recently a gentleman that went on
Speaker 2: to the Joe Rogan show. What was his name? Oh god,
Speaker 2: it's escaping me. Anyway, he went onto the show and
Speaker 2: he was part of the remote viewing operation back in
Speaker 2: the seventies and whatnot, and he said that there were
Speaker 2: certain like it's absolutely like a skill. You're born with
Speaker 2: it or you're not. It's something that you can try
Speaker 2: to get good at. Like, for example, I played football
Speaker 2: for twenty years. Doesn't mean that I can just walk
Speaker 2: into the NFL right exactly. And so some people were
Speaker 2: just gifted with it. And that's what he was talking about,
Speaker 2: as far as you know, the telekinesis and remote viewing
Speaker 2: and astro projection and all that other shit, Like some
Speaker 2: people are just take to it easier. And so you're
Speaker 2: going to have your normies that are going to try
Speaker 2: and get in on it, and that's great. I think
Speaker 2: that everybody should be working on it because if either
Speaker 2: work on it or you get worked on is really
Speaker 2: what's really going on here? So this is this is
Speaker 2: something that they were absolutely doing and something that they
Speaker 2: were taking advantage of. Think about it, like, you have
Speaker 2: the ability to remote view. I know that sounds crazy
Speaker 2: to a lot of people out there. I know that, like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's just their imagination. Well, how were they able to
Speaker 2: find like little hidden caves and offices in Russia without
Speaker 2: having any kind of security or any anything. Like, they
Speaker 2: weren't able to go over there and infiltrate, but they
Speaker 2: knew via the psychic mind that the Russians were they
Speaker 2: had certain military equipment, or they can go into literally
Speaker 2: a locked glove box and find fucking documents and were
Speaker 2: able to flip through the pages via remote viewing. In
Speaker 2: their mind, this is something that is confirmed. They were
Speaker 2: able to do it. So what is that, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Like, so they were absolutely working on it,
Speaker 2: not only working on it, honing in on it. So
Speaker 2: that leads us to this. So there were key figures
Speaker 2: and collaborators and Project MK often. Project MK often was
Speaker 2: overseen by some of the CIA operatives who had been
Speaker 2: involved in MK Ultra, reflecting the continuity between the two programs.
Speaker 2: I thought it was dispersed. I thought they weren't doing
Speaker 2: it anymore. Here it's a continuity.
Speaker 3: This happened years after MK ulture was disbanded, right, I thought, So.
Speaker 2: That's what we all thought. So, yeah, there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of continuity there. So among the key figures in
Speaker 2: MK often where Sidney Gottlieb, who we were talking about,
Speaker 2: is the Black Sorcerer, the chief of the CIA's Technical
Speaker 2: Services division, and Richard Helms, the CIA director During the
Speaker 2: late sixties and early seventies. In addition to its internal personnel,
Speaker 2: the CIA enlisted a number a number of external experts
Speaker 2: and consultants to contribute to MK often. These included number one,
Speaker 2: now they say external experts and consultants, okay, number one
Speaker 2: occultists and magicians. The CIA recruited well known occult practitioners,
Speaker 2: including Satanists, witches, and practic practitioners of voodoo. Some of
Speaker 2: these individuals were tasked with conducting rituals and sharing their
Speaker 2: knowledge of occult practices, while others may have been directly
Speaker 2: involved in experiments meant to test the efficacy of black magic.
Speaker 3: The efficacy of black magic, so these people were getting
Speaker 3: paid tax dollars to come to a government building and
Speaker 3: perform a ritual. Oh yeah, it's kind of crazy, how
Speaker 3: you know, Once again, not to call back to the
Speaker 3: former Satanic wizard that came on our show who literally
Speaker 3: said that this was going down, that government officials were
Speaker 3: hiring him and his crew of wizards and witches to
Speaker 3: perform black magic rituals to get a certain response from it.
Speaker 2: So and you know, and your boy was doing that
Speaker 2: in the nineties.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I was going to Bohemian Grove and he
Speaker 3: was meeting all these super wealthy elite people and they
Speaker 3: were asking him to perform sacrifices so that they could
Speaker 3: get this or that to happen, and he was getting
Speaker 3: paid through the nose to do it. And he says
Speaker 3: the organization is still doing it today. I believe he
Speaker 3: even named the OTO as that group. You know, everybody
Speaker 3: thought that he was crazy. Everybody thought, there's no way
Speaker 3: that's real, except that once again, you know, the documentation
Speaker 3: certified and verified would say that he was a one
Speaker 3: hundred percent factual. Dude.
Speaker 2: He even talks about his conversation at Bohemian Grove with
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, and I found that to be odd because
Speaker 3: I didn't think Bill Clinton would go there. Bohemian Grove
Speaker 3: has seemed to be or has traditionally been the place
Speaker 3: where Republican high heavy elites go to hang. But I guess,
Speaker 3: you know, after the nineties and things kind of certain
Speaker 3: things started to blend a bit.
Speaker 2: I could imagine it wasn't Nixon. Who's the other guy
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of? The actor?
Speaker 3: Nixon was there? No, Reagan was there.
Speaker 2: Reagan was who I was thinking of. I believe that
Speaker 2: it was Ronald Reagan that was asked about Bohemian Grove
Speaker 2: and he goes, that's the most faggy, goddamn thing I've
Speaker 2: ever seen.
Speaker 3: That's a Nixon quote.
Speaker 2: Oh is Nixon? Okay? I always give those two.
Speaker 3: But straight up, he was a hardcore, staunch Republican that
Speaker 3: went there multiple times. It's the fast thing I ever seen,
Speaker 3: these men playing naked in the woods, even though you
Speaker 3: went back multiple times. My boy, m yeah, buddy, yeah.
Speaker 3: Once again, if anybody wants to go back and listen
Speaker 3: to those Satanic Wizard episodes that we had him on,
Speaker 3: great guy, love him to death. I would love to
Speaker 3: have him back on here eventually. And he is you know,
Speaker 3: born again Christian found God. He's a hardcore Catholic these days.
Speaker 3: I know some people think that's not born again. We're
Speaker 3: not having that talk today. But my point is everything
Speaker 3: that he claimed as wild as crazy as it sounds,
Speaker 3: this article is literally showing and verifying his claims big facts.
Speaker 2: So so you have a cult to some magicians. But
Speaker 2: they also included parapsychologists. So experts in the field of parapsychology,
Speaker 2: which is the study of psychic phenomena, were also brought
Speaker 2: up in the project to provide insight into telepathy, clairvoyance,
Speaker 2: and esp esp related abilities. Their role was to assess
Speaker 2: whether these abilities could be harnessed for espionage or military purposes,
Speaker 2: which they absolutely were absolutely. Nextly you brought they brought
Speaker 2: in psychiatrists and psychologists. Remember the guy, the the Black
Speaker 2: Sorcerer was the head of psychiatry within America and the
Speaker 2: United and Canada. Right, that's your psychiatrist, the black fucking Sorcerer. Okay,
Speaker 2: So that just to let you know why people who
Speaker 2: go to mental institutions never get better. That's why, all right, huh,
Speaker 2: So psychologists and psychia psychiatrists and psychologists, rather the project
Speaker 2: relied on mental health professionals to oversee the psychological effects
Speaker 2: of drug experiments, occult rituals, and other practices. These professionals
Speaker 2: were often tasked with monitoring the mental states of participants
Speaker 2: in reporting on the impact of these experiments on their behavior.
Speaker 2: So if you remember, you remember watching Freddy.
Speaker 3: Versus Jason, Oh yeah, one of my favorites, one.
Speaker 2: Of the best movies ever did. I just love it.
Speaker 2: It was it was perfect for its time and even honestly,
Speaker 2: I feel like it holds up. I just watched it
Speaker 2: like last year. Still love it so solid.
Speaker 3: And that's the kind of horror movies I like, the
Speaker 3: slasher flicks like that. Like I don't like watching demonic
Speaker 3: based things or Coven of Witches things, you know, the conjuring.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not a fan.
Speaker 2: I don't like that either.
Speaker 3: But I mean, like Saul, Freddy Jason, Lil Mike Myers,
Speaker 3: these things, and I understand there is still a spirit
Speaker 3: of horror movie in it. There is still a darker
Speaker 3: spirit attached to these movies. I get it. But it's
Speaker 3: also in the realm of like something that could never
Speaker 3: really happen. Freddy Krueger is not gonna come kill you
Speaker 3: in your dream, you know what I mean, Like it's
Speaker 3: it's it's not meant to be that way. And the
Speaker 3: whole storyline and plot of them are so bad that
Speaker 3: they're almost a comedy.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean exactly? Yeah, so it's yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, but to be fair, Texas Chainsaw Masacre was
Speaker 2: kind of based on truth.
Speaker 3: That's why I left that one out. That's why I
Speaker 3: left that one out. I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 3: that one either. I know that people think that it's
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm not a big fan of it
Speaker 3: because I do know that it was based on some reality.
Speaker 3: And yes, I understand that Mike Myers is that kernel
Speaker 3: of truth that was the inspiration behind it, and Jason
Speaker 3: X and all of that. But anyway, to your point,
Speaker 3: Freddy versus.
Speaker 2: Jason, Yeah, yeah, So anyway, what I was saying about
Speaker 2: that was is that if you remember a lot of
Speaker 2: those people that were around whenever Freddy was haunting their
Speaker 2: nightmares and stuff, a lot of them got shifted off
Speaker 2: to the mental ward right, and they were always given
Speaker 2: that medicine to help them forget and also to take
Speaker 2: them out of society so that society could flourish without
Speaker 2: Freddy Krueger disrupting the entire community.
Speaker 3: Right. Meanwhile, medicine would make it to where you couldn't dream.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So meanwhile old boy escapes the mental institution.
Speaker 2: He escapes it and then goes back to town starts
Speaker 2: telling everybody about it, which ultimately ends up being a
Speaker 2: bad thing because then everybody's getting taken out by Freddie.
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's always little bits of remnants
Speaker 2: of truth in movies like.
Speaker 3: This, yep, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So now we get into experiments and rituals as far
Speaker 2: as MK often goes, it says occult magic and mind control.
Speaker 2: So while much of the documentation related to a Project
Speaker 2: MK often remains classified or has been destroyed, some of
Speaker 2: the more bizarre and ethically questionable experiments have been revealed
Speaker 2: through declassified documents and testimonies. These experiments often involved a
Speaker 2: combination of occult rituals, drug administration, and psychological manipulation, creating
Speaker 2: an atmosphere of mystery and danger. So number one occult
Speaker 2: rituals and black magic experiments. So one of the more
Speaker 2: sensational aspects of Project MK often involved the direct participation in,
Speaker 2: the participation in and observation of occult rituals. The CIA
Speaker 2: arranged for witches, voodoo priests, and satanists to perform rituals
Speaker 2: in the presence of Agency operatives to de de Herman
Speaker 2: if these practices could have any measurable effect on human behavior.
Speaker 2: This included ceremonies, invoking supernatural forces, casting spells, and using
Speaker 2: ritual symbols designed to manipulate the mind. The agency was
Speaker 2: interested in whether these rituals could induce altered states of
Speaker 2: consciousness or fear responses that might be useful for psychological warfare. However,
Speaker 2: there is little evidence that these rituals had any practical
Speaker 2: military application, and many within the CIA were skeptical of
Speaker 2: the projects Occult focus experiments.
Speaker 3: Okay, they were skeptic really, just like they did all
Speaker 3: these experiments on MK ulture and they found that, you know,
Speaker 3: oh well, it didn't really make mind control even though
Speaker 3: they continued the practice. Yeah, they may not have had
Speaker 3: a military application, but I'll bet you they had a
Speaker 3: real life practical application that they started using.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where we're going to get a little
Speaker 2: bit more into it. Whenever we're getting into Mockingbird and
Speaker 2: mocking j Okay, that's where this leads to so it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily on foreign enemies, talking about how this application
Speaker 2: is being used against your own people. So then you
Speaker 2: have the drug induced paranormal investigations. So another major focus
Speaker 2: of Project MK often was was the use of psychoactive
Speaker 2: drugs to induce paranormal experiences. Drawing on lessons from MK Ultra,
Speaker 2: the CIA administered powerful hallucinogens such as LSD, psilocybin, and
Speaker 2: DMT to test subjects in hopes of unlocking hidden psychic
Speaker 2: abilities or supernatural insights. Participants were asked to describe any visions,
Speaker 2: out of body experiences, or telepathic communication they encountered while
Speaker 2: under the influence of these substances. Some reported intense experiences
Speaker 2: that they believed were mystical or paranormal. Although these experiences
Speaker 2: were often inconsistent and unreliable, the agency hoped to find
Speaker 2: a way to control or amplify these experiments, but this
Speaker 2: objective proved elusive. As it does, I mean, you're talking
Speaker 2: about a whole other realm that it does not match
Speaker 2: this reality, even hardly in the slightest right, So trying
Speaker 2: to harness that, like even the people that are uh
Speaker 2: that are administering that that that d mt X kind
Speaker 2: of a thing that they got going on with the
Speaker 2: regular drip of DMT going into you and trying to
Speaker 2: map out the d MT world and shit like that.
Speaker 2: I I mean, I'm sure you're you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 2: hear a lot of very interesting things. But as far
Speaker 2: as being able to harness everything from that world, I
Speaker 2: feel like that itself is also going to be proven
Speaker 2: to be elusive as well.
Speaker 3: I mean, try to make that make sense to a
Speaker 3: government three letter agency pencil pusher who's documenting what he's
Speaker 3: looking at Like that's it's they not to quote biblical here,
Speaker 3: but they don't have eyes to see what they're looking at.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. It's just it doesn't necessarily compute.
Speaker 2: No, not really, I mean you're talking about other worldly shit.
Speaker 2: So right anyway, Uh, there is the next one. It
Speaker 2: dives a little bit more into the occult symbolism and
Speaker 2: psychological warfare. So MK ulture's experiments and behavior modification. Behavior
Speaker 2: modification okay often included psychological manipulation techniques, and mk often
Speaker 2: sought to extend this research by incorporating occult symbolism. CIA
Speaker 2: operatives experimented with exposing subjects to symbols associated with fear, death,
Speaker 2: and mystical power to determine whether these symbols could affect
Speaker 2: the subconscious mind. For example, oh boy. For example, pentagrams, skulls,
Speaker 2: and occult sigils were used in an attempt to create
Speaker 2: psychological associations with danger, submission, or altered mental states. The
Speaker 2: agency theorized that such symbols, combined with other forms of
Speaker 2: psychological manipulation, might be used to break down an individual's
Speaker 2: mental defense during interrogation or warfare.
Speaker 3: I find that to be interesting because, I mean, the
Speaker 3: skull is a symbol that's been used for so many
Speaker 3: different things, for so many different purposes, by so many
Speaker 3: different cultures, some very good, some very bad. Whatever. The
Speaker 3: pentagram very similar. It actually has its basis as a
Speaker 3: Christian sigil. It got taken in use and inverted by
Speaker 3: the state forces, and all these things. The whole thing
Speaker 3: of like instantly getting a fear of danger or something
Speaker 3: like that, or death from seeing these things. Were they
Speaker 3: just trying to see how people would respond to them,
Speaker 3: Because if so, there's century's worth of documentation to show
Speaker 3: that people saw these as potentially holy symbols. At one point.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying. I'm wondering what their results were.
Speaker 3: As far as that's concerned, it's.
Speaker 2: How the individual's mental defense would withstand during interrogation and warfare.
Speaker 2: So it's using those symbols that have been around forever.
Speaker 2: But how does it pertain to what we're trying to
Speaker 2: achieve within.
Speaker 3: This got you? Got you?
Speaker 2: So? Then there were obviously the ethical and legal issues
Speaker 2: surrounding Project MK often Shocker right. So, like MK Ultra,
Speaker 2: MK often raised serious ethical concerns. The program involved experimentation
Speaker 2: on human subjects, often without their informed consent. Participants in
Speaker 2: MK often drug experiments, were sometimes unaware of what substances
Speaker 2: they were being given or the full extent of the
Speaker 2: psychological and physiological effects that they might experience. The ethical
Speaker 2: ramifications of conducting a cult rituals and subjecting participants to
Speaker 2: fear based psychological manipulation also raise serious questions. Yeah, while
Speaker 2: the full extent of MK often's legal ramifications is unknown,
Speaker 2: the project secrecy shielded it from public scrutiny during its operation. However,
Speaker 2: as with MK Ultra, the exposure of the program in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventies through congressional hearings led to public outrage
Speaker 2: of the CIA's disregard for ethical standards and research. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we need to just get rid of the fucking CIA,
Speaker 2: get rid of dismantle to CIA. You're done, You're done, now,
Speaker 2: why are you? Why are they still around?
Speaker 3: I agree that we do need some sort of an
Speaker 3: international intelligence agency. I get it. I really do. We
Speaker 3: need spies in other countries to let us know what
Speaker 3: they're planning next, if they are enemies or whatever the case.
Speaker 2: To monitor, to monitor. That's it for.
Speaker 3: Other fucking countries. Bro. We had the FBI for the
Speaker 3: internal shit. Why the fuck is all of this involved
Speaker 3: with our international organization rather than our national If we're
Speaker 3: doing it on our own fucking people, this is where
Speaker 3: I have a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, you're an enemy CIA.
Speaker 3: You are the enemy, an enemy of the state, an
Speaker 3: enemy of the people. Yes.
Speaker 2: JFK tried to take him down. Remember Gorilla's by night.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, this is what he was referring to him.
Speaker 3: Nixon used them for his own purposes, i e. The
Speaker 3: Watergate stand or right, he had his plumbers that were
Speaker 3: sent out to find the leaks. If you will, next thing,
Speaker 3: you know, Lbj's using them for all of his shit. Well,
Speaker 3: I say, next thing, you know, he came after, he
Speaker 3: came before Nixon. But it's not the point. Is that
Speaker 3: the point? Okay, they were still doing this shit well
Speaker 3: into the seventies, well into the eighties and into the nineties,
Speaker 3: and just a little little tidbit of information for everybody.
Speaker 3: They didn't stop after nine to eleven. They just brought
Speaker 3: it to a different level, a different caliber, if you will.
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, everybody in the CIA whenever Trump got elected,
Speaker 2: was entirely against Trump, entirely against him. They tried to
Speaker 2: do everything they could to try and sue him, to
Speaker 2: try and make him look like the bad guy. You
Speaker 2: have the mockingbird media that is out there parroting what
Speaker 2: everybody's saying. Nobody has a fucking original thought because that
Speaker 2: all they do is they just listen to the subconscious
Speaker 2: programming by CNN and even Fox News if some Fox
Speaker 2: News is not like, they're absolutely complicit in this, right.
Speaker 3: So the same thing, just the opposite side of the coin.
Speaker 3: But that's the same thing. They're still mockingbird and it
Speaker 3: and mocking Jy and all that. They're just regurgitating whatever
Speaker 3: they're told to repeat. That's why you have people like
Speaker 3: I know, a controversial figure to some Tucker Carlson when
Speaker 3: he left, and it was Megan Kelly when they left
Speaker 3: Fox News, and they're able to say whatever the fuck
Speaker 3: they want. Do you notice that their ratings go sky
Speaker 3: high as opposed to Fox News that have kind of
Speaker 3: stayed stagnant. There's a reason.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. So anyway, anyway, so the CIA behavioral
Speaker 2: research programs began to wind down. The reasons for the
Speaker 2: program's decline were likely multifaceted. So the lack number one,
Speaker 2: the lack of consistent results. Of course, you're not gonna
Speaker 2: find consistency in any any occult magic, any kind of
Speaker 2: anything like that. It's there's so many facets whenever it
Speaker 2: comes to witchcraft and magic and all that shit.
Speaker 3: Like you have a guy you talked to that does
Speaker 3: sacrifices and he has a ninety nine percent success rate.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yeah, I don't know if they were
Speaker 2: performing sacrifices. Now, they didn't say anything about sacrifices, so
Speaker 2: maybe they were. But I mean, honestly, I think that.
Speaker 3: Even said that in the article earlier they were doing this,
Speaker 3: that the officials could document what it was to see
Speaker 3: if they would have some sort of a military use,
Speaker 3: and they may have said, you know, on their paperwork,
Speaker 3: this voodoo practice, right, this sacrificing of this chicken or something,
Speaker 3: no military use available subdendum, second page, super useful for
Speaker 3: personal gains. We definitely need to start investing more heavily
Speaker 3: in this. But about Yeah, the official report said there
Speaker 3: was no military use. That does not mean that there
Speaker 3: was no real life application. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So the uh, the black magicians out there, they're there.
Speaker 2: Let's just say that there their batting average is a
Speaker 2: little bit higher.
Speaker 3: Which is what these people were, right. They were calling
Speaker 3: upon black magicians, occultists, and voodoo practitioners. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: there were some santarea practitioners. I'm sure there were some
Speaker 3: like far Eastern philosophical uh dark occult practitioners that were
Speaker 3: in this mix as well. This is again, y'all, this
Speaker 3: is a segment of the information. This is not the
Speaker 3: entire story of MK often so.
Speaker 2: It's uh, yeah, it was it led to the Okay,
Speaker 2: let me read this real quick. So it says lack
Speaker 2: of consistent results. It says while the projects experiments produced
Speaker 2: some intriguing anecdotes, while there was little consistent or reliable
Speaker 2: evidence that occult rituals, psychic abilities, or paranormal experience experiences
Speaker 2: could be harnessed for practical military use. The erratic nature,
Speaker 2: the erratic nature of the of the results, combined with
Speaker 2: skepticism within the intelligence community, contributed to the programs to decline.
Speaker 2: I would actually guess that it was more so the
Speaker 2: skepticism from within than the actual results not working.
Speaker 3: Practical military use. I feel like they just kind of
Speaker 3: glazed over that word. I feel like that's the critical
Speaker 3: word of all of this. So what they're saying essentially
Speaker 3: is that, yes, these things, there's some interesting stuff with it,
Speaker 3: but we don't see how the army infantry could use
Speaker 3: this to better their their advantages. Okay, the army may
Speaker 3: not be able to, but I bet the you know,
Speaker 3: the White House could.
Speaker 2: For sure for sure. Well, the guy that I was
Speaker 2: thinking of it just came to me, how put off.
Speaker 2: So if you listen to that interview, how put off
Speaker 2: on the Joe Rogan experience, fucking one of his best
Speaker 2: shows in my personal experience. So Number two, public exposure
Speaker 2: and political pressure. As the US government faced increasing scrutiny
Speaker 2: over its secret programs in the wake of the Watergate scandal,
Speaker 2: many of the CIA's covert research projects came under investigation.
Speaker 2: The Church Committee and other congressional bodies exposed the ethical
Speaker 2: lapses and legal violations involved in projects like MK Ultra,
Speaker 2: and this exposure extended to MK often.
Speaker 3: I wonder if this had anything to do with the
Speaker 3: Satanic panic of the seventies, eighties and nineties around the
Speaker 3: time when this was getting quote unquote wrapped up.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Oh yeah, they always liked the shift blame and
Speaker 2: maintain their innocence.
Speaker 3: Denyed, denied, deny, make counter accusations, implement others. There's a
Speaker 3: whole there's an arc to this. There's like a rubric
Speaker 3: that they go off of.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you could see this even like if you
Speaker 2: go back to the Hillary versus Trump campaign back in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen time, you could see at Big Time,
Speaker 2: everything that she was alleging the true was a part
Speaker 2: of was something that she was actually carrying out herself.
Speaker 2: So this is that this is that MK ultra in
Speaker 2: a sense, because if you hear that Donald Trump is
Speaker 2: doing all these things and it already sounds like what
Speaker 2: he's doing that that's crazy. I can't believe it. But
Speaker 2: then you start to really take it in and then
Speaker 2: you hear the counter argument of no, Trump is saying, dude,
Speaker 2: she's saying all this about me. She is the fucking
Speaker 2: one doing it. And so then people just like dismiss
Speaker 2: it because I don't know what to believe. I don't
Speaker 2: know who to believe, you know, unless you're like blue
Speaker 2: no matter who, or red no matter what, or whatever
Speaker 2: the fucking saying goes. It's like the people that are
Speaker 2: in between just trying to search for actual truth. It's
Speaker 2: hard to really distinguish what the truth is. And that
Speaker 2: is part of really the MK ultra in and of itself,
Speaker 2: because that's how they shrouded in secrecy by confusing you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So then anyway, you have a shift in intelligence priorities.
Speaker 2: By the mid nineteen seventies, the intelligence communities focus shifted
Speaker 2: away from behavioral and cult research toward more conventional methods
Speaker 2: of intelligence gathering. As the Cold War progressed, resources were
Speaker 2: redirected toward technological advancements and surveillance, signals, intelligence, and cryptography.
Speaker 2: I find it hard to believe that you would just
Speaker 2: throw all that research out the window. And not use
Speaker 2: it anymore whenever you come upon higher advance technology.
Speaker 3: Right, But I mean that's the thing. Would you consider
Speaker 3: this necessarily higher advanced technology? Like I don't know if
Speaker 3: I would call a cult ritualism necessarily advanced technology.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm saying that they scrapped all this for
Speaker 2: advanced technology such as surveillance and shit like that.
Speaker 3: I see, I see, I say, but I don't know why.
Speaker 2: You would separate the two. Why wouldn't you combine.
Speaker 3: Them, right? You know, like they probably did.
Speaker 2: I think I think they absolutely did. It's not even
Speaker 2: a question. So then it gets into the legacy of
Speaker 2: Project MK, often a dark chapter in the CIA history.
Speaker 2: At Project MK, often, like at sibling MK, Altro, left
Speaker 2: behind a legacy of controversy, secrecy, and ethical debate. The
Speaker 2: project is a reminder of the lengths to which the
Speaker 2: US government was willing to go during the Cold War
Speaker 2: in its quest to gain a strategic advantage over its adversaries.
Speaker 2: The exploration of occult practices and paranormal phenomena, while fascinating,
Speaker 2: ultimately produced little in the way of concrete military applications,
Speaker 2: and the program's legacy remains tied to the broader ethical
Speaker 2: failures of CIA behavioral research during the Cold War era. Today,
Speaker 2: Project MK often is often referenced as one of the
Speaker 2: more bizarre and extreme examples of US government's covert experimentation
Speaker 2: with human behavior. Its involvement with ocult rituals, psychic abilities,
Speaker 2: and drug induced paranormal investigations serves as a reminder of
Speaker 2: the darker, more experimental side of Cold War espionage. So,
Speaker 2: you know, think about it like this, They if we're
Speaker 2: to go off of their story, they scrap it. It's
Speaker 2: hard to really harness it. It's hard to really you know,
Speaker 2: have absolute control over it. They scrap it for advanced
Speaker 2: technological surveillance, they scrap it for signals intelligence and cryptography.
Speaker 2: So they found something that was more productive than what
Speaker 2: they were receiving as far as manipulating the human mind.
Speaker 2: So instead of performing rituals and occult practices and satanism,
Speaker 2: instead of doing that, they found a more practical and
Speaker 2: more beneficial use by harnessing these technological advancements. So whenever
Speaker 2: you're talking about surveillance, surveillance or surveillance, whenever you're talking
Speaker 2: about that, they're saying right here that they found a
Speaker 2: way to be able to surveil you better than remote
Speaker 2: viewing you. Okay, So now we're getting into all the
Speaker 2: different ways in which they surveil you. And we're not
Speaker 2: talking about just camera systems. We're talking about the apps
Speaker 2: that are collecting all of your information on your phone.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the TV shows that you're watching that
Speaker 2: are constantly being documented, talking about the conversations that you
Speaker 2: hold in private, but you just so happen to have
Speaker 2: your phone in your pocket and that's monitoring you the
Speaker 2: entire time. We're talking about that little redfucking dot at
Speaker 2: the top of your phone that is always there, always listening,
Speaker 2: always watching, knows you better than you know your fucking self.
Speaker 2: That's the type that Edward Snowden was talking about whenever
Speaker 2: he was blaring the whistle and why he has to
Speaker 2: hide in Russia, That's what he's talking about.
Speaker 3: And again, like using this for the purpose of surveillance,
Speaker 3: I could see that being not as efficient, if you will,
Speaker 3: because like they had microphones and cameras and like hidden
Speaker 3: stuff like that even while Nixon was in office, right,
Speaker 3: That's what the Watergate was about. They were planting listening
Speaker 3: devices and taking pictures of all the all the paperwork
Speaker 3: and things like that. Nixon recorded every single thing that
Speaker 3: ever took place in the Oval office and like so
Speaker 3: they already had bugs and wires and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But even after they had that, they started looking into
Speaker 3: astra projection. They started looking into black magic and occult
Speaker 3: rituals and things like that for the principle of intelligence gathering. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I bet they did kind of throw black magic in
Speaker 3: all these things by the wayside, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 3: they didn't find any practical uses for it. That just
Speaker 3: means that they didn't start using it for this purpose
Speaker 3: or for military advantage purposes, but we're still used it
Speaker 3: for others.
Speaker 2: Or they used it as a tool to learn from
Speaker 2: to be able to develop technology that could do it
Speaker 2: better exactly exactly. So it's sick really. So anyway, that
Speaker 2: leads us into Mockingbird. Wherever here we're talking about mka aulture,
Speaker 2: we're talking about controlling people's minds, wiping it absolutely clean,
Speaker 2: injecting the use of drugs and sigils and symbols that
Speaker 2: you see on TV, including occult practices and satanic witchcraft
Speaker 2: and all this other crazy shit. Well, how are they
Speaker 2: employing and administering that in today's world. That's where we
Speaker 2: lead into Project Mockingbird. Now, this was something that was
Speaker 2: going on back in the Cold War as well, and
Speaker 2: there's also something that stems even from this. So I
Speaker 2: wanted to draw comparisons that what MK Ultra is to
Speaker 2: MK often is what Project Mockingbird is to Project mocking J.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So let's.
Speaker 2: Start out with Project Mockingbird first and then we'll get
Speaker 2: to Project mocking J or Operation I'm sorry, I keep
Speaker 2: on Project Operation. Same shit. So Project Mockingbird or Operation
Speaker 2: Mockingbird was a real CIA program launched during the early
Speaker 2: Cold War era designed to infiltrate, influence, and control American
Speaker 2: and foreign media outlets. While some parts of it remain
Speaker 2: classified or disrupted, it's widely accepted, based on Senate testimony
Speaker 2: and declassified documents, that the CIA actively manipulated journalists and
Speaker 2: news organizations to shape public perception and control narratives at
Speaker 2: home and abroad. So that's where we that's already sinister.
Speaker 2: It's already sinister every way. So here we go. Operation Mockingbird,
Speaker 2: the CIA's secret war on truth through press. The origins
Speaker 2: began back in the late nineteen forties under Franks Weisner
Speaker 2: or Wisner, the head of the CIA's Office of Policy Coordination,
Speaker 2: or OPC. The goal was to counter Soviet propaganda during
Speaker 2: the Cold War by establishing a pro American media influence network.
Speaker 2: The objectives were to recruit journalists as assets to write
Speaker 2: pro United States and anti Communist propaganda. They wanted to
Speaker 2: also plant false or manipulated stories in domestic and international media.
Speaker 2: Why would you need to do it in domestic why? Indeed,
Speaker 2: they wanted to control editorial lines in newspapers, magazines, radio,
Speaker 2: and then later TV. They wanted to influence public opinion
Speaker 2: without citizens knowing that it came from the CIA.
Speaker 3: The third party, a little contractor work for sure.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know this because we wanted you know it.
Speaker 2: Kind of shit. So how it worked. They would pay
Speaker 2: journalists to insert intelligence intelligence approved narratives into mainstream news,
Speaker 2: Intelligence improved approved narratives. So every all the storylines, everything
Speaker 2: that you see in the newspapers, on TV, and all
Speaker 2: that shit has been run through the filter of the CIA. Okay, absolutely,
Speaker 2: And then it funded front organizations like the National Student
Speaker 2: Association and academic journals to subtly shift public opinion. Sleight
Speaker 2: of handshit right here, okay.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent, look over here, not what's going on
Speaker 3: behind the curtain.
Speaker 2: Now you see me baby? Oh, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: you know they're coming out with the new now you
Speaker 2: see me.
Speaker 3: A third one?
Speaker 2: Yeah, damn, I bring bringing all the original cast and
Speaker 2: then there's gonna be new magicians in there too. I
Speaker 2: fucking love those movies.
Speaker 3: I do. I love those movies. They're pretty sick.
Speaker 2: So back to it. It says they manipulated foreign news
Speaker 2: agencies whose stories would be picked up by US outlets
Speaker 2: or a feedback loop of manipulation.
Speaker 3: This is sick.
Speaker 2: It's so genius. It's so genius.
Speaker 3: They got to know if they got the right response,
Speaker 3: that they can either pump more into it or shift
Speaker 3: gears slightly. They have to get everybody in. You got
Speaker 3: to keep them within the lane, bro, within the left
Speaker 3: and right lateral limits.
Speaker 2: Check this out, and this is not going to be
Speaker 2: a shocker, but the CIA had operatives inside major outlets,
Speaker 2: including The New York Times, The Time Magazine, Newsweek, CBS,
Speaker 2: and AP.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, to further that point, when
Speaker 3: the paper, I forget what it was, I think was
Speaker 3: the New York Times, the matter of fact, this new
Speaker 3: writer who happened to be a naval intelligence officer, right
Speaker 3: first story he ever wrote became the front page headline,
Speaker 3: and if not mistaken, it was about JFK M M M. Crazy.
Speaker 3: How that works out?
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. You gotta work years to get that kind
Speaker 2: of pull.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, to be a writer for a paper,
Speaker 3: to move up to an editor, to move up to whatever,
Speaker 3: to get your story on the front page. That is
Speaker 3: like a major crowning achievement that most newspaper writers dream of.
Speaker 3: This guy, right out of the gate, a retired naval
Speaker 3: intelligence officer, just got it that quick first ail on
Speaker 3: the job.
Speaker 2: Look, you're never retired, That's the thing. It's a facade. Really.
Speaker 2: Once you're in, you're in.
Speaker 3: That's why you're a part of the agency. You never
Speaker 3: exactly leave the agency. Man.
Speaker 2: That's why whenever I see people who are super high
Speaker 2: up ranking in the military or the CIA or the FBI,
Speaker 2: now they're coming out clean and they're they retired from that,
Speaker 2: so now they're allowed to talk about it, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up. Anybody who believes what you're saying. Now,
Speaker 2: I think that there are some good people and not
Speaker 2: everybody is absolutely like totally manipulated in some form or fashion,
Speaker 2: But you got to look at where they came from.
Speaker 2: You gotta look at the mindsets of the organizations that
Speaker 2: created them. So whenever you hear Sean Ryan, I love
Speaker 2: Sean Ryan. I think he seems like a pretty great guy.
Speaker 2: But to say that he's absolutely not being controlled in
Speaker 2: some kind of way is asinine.
Speaker 3: But I mean it goes even not just those types
Speaker 3: of content creators, because we've heard different people like that,
Speaker 3: these former Navy seal guys and these former Three Letter
Speaker 3: Agency guys. What's the dude, Andy Boussamonte, right, former spy?
Speaker 3: He and his wife are both spies. Then they start
Speaker 3: a YouTube channel and it's like instantly successful in all
Speaker 3: of this. Okay, fine, And I listen to what he says,
Speaker 3: not as like, oh, he's obviously telling the truth and
Speaker 3: blah blah blah, but also I see him as probably
Speaker 3: knowing a little bit more about the Three Letter Agencies
Speaker 3: than most right, But I also keep that third eye
Speaker 3: all the way open when I listen to him. That
Speaker 3: being set, and I'm not like an avid listener. I
Speaker 3: catch him on occasion whenever he's on another podcast that
Speaker 3: I like, He's a guest on Flay Grant or something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna watch that episode, you know, something like that.
Speaker 3: But with that being said, there's other content creators that
Speaker 3: some of you may have heard of. We talked about
Speaker 3: it before the show. As a matter of fact, this
Speaker 3: girl named Shannon Blake right, the hippie dippy dreaded out
Speaker 3: all tatted up, high vibe quote unquote singer songwriter, and
Speaker 3: I use those quotes very, very liberally. You know, she's
Speaker 3: also one of the cringiest, cringiest content creators I've ever
Speaker 3: seen in my life. Come to find out, her dad
Speaker 3: is a quote unquote contract pilot for Lockheed Martin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy shocker.
Speaker 3: That her dad would be a part of the military
Speaker 3: industrial complex. She grew up super well to do, super
Speaker 3: well off, never missed a fucking music festival anywhere. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, she's taken this like hippie dippy, we
Speaker 3: don't need money, we don't need this, And everything she
Speaker 3: sings about is that. Meanwhile, her dad works for Lockheed
Speaker 3: Martin as a contract pilot quote unquote. You know, it's
Speaker 3: so many things. It's not just the content creators on
Speaker 3: the podcast that are sharing information like this. How many YouTubers,
Speaker 3: how many TikTokers have you seen that their content is
Speaker 3: ass like? Objectively speaking, it's hard to even get through
Speaker 3: one of their videos or one of their clips, But
Speaker 3: somehow they have millions of views. And it's not just
Speaker 3: because they know how to work the algorithm. It's because
Speaker 3: they're either related to or plugged into an organization that
Speaker 3: makes those algorithms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and there's and I don't want to harp
Speaker 2: too much on this, but I think that it needs
Speaker 2: to be said that there are people out there that
Speaker 2: you might even like. There are people out there that
Speaker 2: you might even believe are giving like nuggets and kernels
Speaker 2: of truth, and they are that you have to give
Speaker 2: nuggets and kernels of truth. That being said, do not
Speaker 2: follow what one individual says one hundred percent. I don't
Speaker 2: care if it's us. You shouldn't follow us one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Because we might not know everything. Doesn't mean we're controlled
Speaker 2: by any means, But it also doesn't mean that we're
Speaker 2: experts on literally anything that we talk about, right, And
Speaker 2: so I just want everybody.
Speaker 3: People to fact check us, google the shit we say
Speaker 3: we get things wrong sometimes absolutely.
Speaker 2: Also, Jacob might be a fed so we don't know.
Speaker 3: Jonathan might be my handler. We don't even know.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, y'all. That being said, though, I know that
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people, mainly your boy Owen Benjamin,
Speaker 2: that has been calling out, Oh what's the dude with
Speaker 2: the with the mustache?
Speaker 3: Went on?
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, mister balin, no shit, what is his name?
Speaker 3: The guy who was like a hardcore liberal CUK and
Speaker 3: now all of a sudden he speaks a lot about conspiracies.
Speaker 2: Uh, the guy who who used to blare the whistle
Speaker 2: on uh on game stop, and now he's talking about
Speaker 2: how the Jews are basically running the world.
Speaker 3: Yes, not Evans. Uh.
Speaker 2: I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I look it up. I know the guy's face in
Speaker 3: my head right now, but I can't. I can't think
Speaker 3: of it. You keep talking. I'm gonna look it.
Speaker 2: Up, all right, All right, sorry about that. Cult members,
Speaker 2: we you know, our minds can only retain so much information,
Speaker 2: and my mind's kind of set on this one. But anyway,
Speaker 2: so this we're back to Operation Mockingbird. So yeah, it
Speaker 2: was infiltrated into the New York Times Time magazine CBS, Newsweek,
Speaker 2: and Associated Press, the known collaborators. These are confirmed or alleged.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to really get like solid, you know,
Speaker 2: concrete evidence on a lot of this stuff. A lot
Speaker 2: of it it has to be speculation because the government
Speaker 2: is not going to out their own people like this
Speaker 2: if those people were doing work for them. So Ian Carroll,
Speaker 2: Ian Carroll, Yes, yep, yeah, yeah, So I.
Speaker 3: Think don't listen to one hundred percent of what he
Speaker 3: says either, y'all. Four years ago, he was some basically
Speaker 3: a college kid who, like, if I'm not mistaken, he
Speaker 3: campaigned for Obama and like campaigned for Biden and like
Speaker 3: he you know, all these things. He was that guy.
Speaker 3: He woke up, thank god, and now he's spreading information
Speaker 3: that needs to be spread. But again, don't listen in
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: But even with that, I can't help but imagine this
Speaker 2: guy blew up literally out of nowhere, and with then
Speaker 2: just a year or two of all of his research,
Speaker 2: he's on Rogan. You know, I I I'm looking at that,
Speaker 2: like and it's not even a jealousy thing. But we've
Speaker 2: been doing this five years and we haven't had anybody
Speaker 2: like that reach out to us right, Like it's not
Speaker 2: it's not a jealousy thing. It's like a what the
Speaker 2: fuck you know? Like how did that? And I and
Speaker 2: don't mistake it. Like he's very well spoken, he's very
Speaker 2: well knowledgeable a lot about a lot of things. He's
Speaker 2: probably he's smarter than us, Like that's a that's a fact.
Speaker 2: He like the way he's able to like. But but
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like he's a very well
Speaker 2: well together put kind of individual. And I'm not even
Speaker 2: saying that he is. I'm just saying people like that,
Speaker 2: you know, and and that doesn't even like I if
Speaker 2: Ian Carroll was listening to this or if this gets
Speaker 2: posted out somewhere, I would actually love da Ian Carroll
Speaker 2: on the show.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would be a dream. He's a
Speaker 3: solid guy and I would love to have him on
Speaker 3: the show. Our point is, and like we said, even
Speaker 3: at ourselves, don't take a hunch percent of what we
Speaker 3: say as it's completely concrete truth. Google us, search the
Speaker 3: shit that we talk about and see if we are
Speaker 3: completely out of left field here or if we're based. Okay,
Speaker 3: we ask people to do this. Hit us in the
Speaker 3: comments on this and let us know, okay, we would
Speaker 3: like to adjust. We want to be one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 3: We're humans, we fuck up sometimes.
Speaker 2: And obviously, like the obvious people that are in mainstream
Speaker 2: media now that this would like the arrow would point to.
Speaker 2: And I don't even want to harp on it because
Speaker 2: I actually happen to like both of these people, and
Speaker 2: that is Alex Jones and David Ike. So those very
Speaker 2: well could be controlled up it's been I'm not the
Speaker 2: first person to say that, I won't be the last
Speaker 2: person to say that. It's not even something that I
Speaker 2: entirely believe. But that doesn't mean that while I'm listening,
Speaker 2: I'm not paying paying attention to whatever is kind of
Speaker 2: subconsciously being programmed into the shit that I'm listening to.
Speaker 3: Bro Tucker Carlson goes on and says that Russia is
Speaker 3: quote unquote fighting for its life right now, perfect example,
Speaker 3: America has thrown in every bit short of nuclear warfare
Speaker 3: in on the Russian conflict. I about fell out of
Speaker 3: my fucking chair laughing whenever I heard Tucker say that.
Speaker 3: And I love Tucker Carlson. I listened to him a
Speaker 3: fair amount, but like, oh, I'm sorry, what Marine division
Speaker 3: was just sent to the Ukrainian front lines. I must
Speaker 3: have missed that. America is that heavily invested in this
Speaker 3: war short of nuclear weapons, and Russia is fighting for
Speaker 3: their life right. No, absolutely, who invaded who? Again, I
Speaker 3: must have missed that. But like that's my point. Don't
Speaker 3: listen to all of these talking heads one hundred percent
Speaker 3: as if what they say is the word of God. Remember,
Speaker 3: body is entitled to their opinions.
Speaker 2: Remember that the lyricist for The Grateful Dead was involved
Speaker 2: in MK Ultra The Grateful Dead, in which Tucker Carlson
Speaker 2: was a deadhead for a very long time.
Speaker 3: So self proclaimed, self proclaimed, that's not some internet lore.
Speaker 3: He even says this.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm trying to say here. It's not
Speaker 2: as cuttinger as you'd like it to believe. There's no
Speaker 2: such thing as a good guy and a bad guy.
Speaker 2: Everything is blurred everything, and that's all perfect.
Speaker 3: Well, I will say there's such a thing as a
Speaker 3: bad guy. I will say there's not much sense of
Speaker 3: looking for a good guy. None can really be found anymore.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. So the known collaborators, whether they be
Speaker 2: confirmed or alleged, would be Joseph Alsop, who was an
Speaker 2: influential communist whose articles were used to influence elite circles.
Speaker 2: Then you have Ben Bradley, who later he was the
Speaker 2: editor of The Washington Post, claimed that he knew of
Speaker 2: CIA ties and journalism. Then you have William Paley or
Speaker 2: Pally from CBS allegedly cooperated with the CIA in allowing
Speaker 2: coverage to be influenced. Think of Twitter, Think of Facebook.
Speaker 2: Think of these apps who were absolutely influenced during elections
Speaker 2: during COVID that were taking down posts that were absolutely
Speaker 2: true that the government or you know, black ops operations
Speaker 2: didn't want you talking about. It's not even something that
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that was just during COVID, that was
Speaker 2: just during the election. No, that's on a day to
Speaker 2: day basis. Okay, that's just widespread scope. Everybody knows about
Speaker 2: those things. But it's every day, it's not just.
Speaker 3: Then Zuckerberg literally testified and said that that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Then he goes on Rogan and admits that that absolutely happened.
Speaker 3: So he admitted to perjury.
Speaker 2: Why is he not in jail? Why is he not
Speaker 2: in jail?
Speaker 3: Fuck? Is he not in jail?
Speaker 2: Exactly? So rules for the not for me.
Speaker 3: I took the words out of my fucking mouth. Brother.
Speaker 2: Then you have this individual named cord Meyer, what interesting name,
Speaker 2: who was a CIA operative believed to be instrumental in
Speaker 2: managing journalist relationships. So wh's widespread the exposure? It says
Speaker 2: Church Committee hearings. From seventy five to seventy six, there
Speaker 2: was US Senate investigations that revealed the scale of CIA
Speaker 2: involvement in media, though many details were buried or redacted.
Speaker 2: Then there was Carl Burns Stein's or Bernstein Bernstein. However,
Speaker 2: you know, you look at the Mandela Effect, Carl Bernstein
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven Rolling Stone article that was titled CIA
Speaker 2: and the Media that revealed more than four hundred journalists
Speaker 2: had direct or indirect ties to the CIA. That was
Speaker 2: in seventy seven. Yeah, you think that just went away?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, we kidding me. This is the time
Speaker 3: when the quote unquote old heads of the media, right, like,
Speaker 3: I don't just throw a couple of them out, Bill O'Reilly, right,
Speaker 3: Hannity and Combs. This is when they were breaking out
Speaker 3: in the media space. These were the people that they
Speaker 3: were looking up to at this time. It never went away, y'all.
Speaker 3: It just came to the next generation. Podcasting is the
Speaker 3: thing that kind of broke that matrix in a way.
Speaker 3: But even still, I can't say that one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: This is fifty years of progress. Okay, fifty years ago,
Speaker 2: this shit was going around. Fifty years ago, shit was
Speaker 2: going on. They didn't just give it up. That's that's
Speaker 2: a fact.
Speaker 3: It's one work life, that is one career's time frame.
Speaker 3: That's all it is.
Speaker 2: So the CIA's response to Operation Mockingbird, it says the
Speaker 2: agency officially stated that it would no longer recruit or
Speaker 2: contract full time journalists as spiser agents.
Speaker 3: Okay, now our anger, right, Okay, okay, sure, sure, sure.
Speaker 2: However, the policy allowed freelancers, stingers, and unofficial cooperation, leaving
Speaker 2: plenty of gray area. These are your contractors, So are
Speaker 2: they working for the CIA? No, they're contractors. They're their
Speaker 2: own corporation, they're their own own organization. Meanwhile, well they're
Speaker 2: still reporting back to the same people.
Speaker 3: See that's the thing. When people hear of government contractors,
Speaker 3: and I don't know about most, but I know in
Speaker 3: my mind it initially goes to like military contractors, right,
Speaker 3: Triple Can, Blackwater, the Wagner Group, right, all these things
Speaker 3: that are government military contractors. Please understand, everybody, the CIA
Speaker 3: has their own brand of government contractors that do way
Speaker 3: dirtier things than some mercenaries. Okay, these are intel mercenaries.
Speaker 3: The FBI has it, the ATF has this, the NSA,
Speaker 3: the spies on their own people have outside third party
Speaker 3: contractorsd That is how this works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just so everybody, we can paint a clear
Speaker 2: picture here, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, whatever other fucking
Speaker 2: apps you use. CIA contractors.
Speaker 3: Okay, is it called oculus or ocula? What's the thing?
Speaker 3: The big server compounds third party through the CIA, but
Speaker 3: it's actually the filter that every single bit of media
Speaker 3: on the Internet or not goes through before we see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in the facilities in Texas actually.
Speaker 3: Right, that giant place paid for by the CIA. Yes,
Speaker 3: third party because it's a private contractor very similar, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna touch on something ugly here. The irs is
Speaker 3: a third party government contractor. Y'all.
Speaker 2: Also keep in mind that that oculus or if that's
Speaker 2: what it's called, I can't remember what it's called now,
Speaker 2: but if Eagle Visions there's something like that, Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: it's the American filter of all social media. It's not
Speaker 2: only the filter, it is, uh, the the reason why
Speaker 2: you see suggestive videos and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Everything that you type, everything that you read. It's monitoring
Speaker 2: link literally like your your eyes and your reaction to everything.
Speaker 3: Thing to builds your algorithm, absolutely specific algorithm for your
Speaker 3: specific phone, your specific YouTube account, your specific TikTok.
Speaker 2: And you know who has ties to that Peter til
Speaker 2: you know who has ties to Peter tel jd Vance,
Speaker 2: You know who jd Vance has ties to the fucking president. Okay,
Speaker 2: so do you think that like people, this is where
Speaker 2: people get caught up and like, my side's not corrupt.
Speaker 2: Your side is corrupt. Every fucking asset, every facet of
Speaker 2: government is corrupt in every possible way. Just because your
Speaker 2: guy is in there right now or your guy was
Speaker 2: in there the prior term does not mean there's not
Speaker 2: spying on you. They're all spying on you.
Speaker 3: We've said it multiple times this episode, and we're probably
Speaker 3: gonna say it multiple times for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 3: If you're looking for a good guy, there's none to
Speaker 3: be found, I'm sorry. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle,
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what color they represent. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 3: they said in their pretty little speech to whoever they
Speaker 3: were trying to speak to. I'm sorry, there's no good
Speaker 3: guys left to be found in this.
Speaker 2: Avenue, miss me with that white hat bullshit.
Speaker 3: There's none of it. I'm sorry, there's none.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't exist. So anyhow, back to it. So
Speaker 2: they allowed freelancers and stingers in unofficial cooperation. Okay, then
Speaker 2: there was a legacy in modern parallel So Operation Mockingbird
Speaker 2: didn't end. It evolved. Now theorized to influence social media
Speaker 2: and entertainment, podcasting, and influencer culture see Operation mocking j
Speaker 2: which we're going to get to. So it evolved. Relationships
Speaker 2: with tech companies and digital platforms have replaced old school newsrooms.
Speaker 2: Then there's disinfo and propaganda units. Post nine to eleven
Speaker 2: agencies like the Office of Strategic Influence or the OSI
Speaker 2: were created to control foreign and domestic narratives. Look that
Speaker 2: one up Office of Strategic Influence got you. I mean
Speaker 2: that is that is the mk ultra carried out in today.
Speaker 3: Okay, Like we said, it didn't go away, y'all just
Speaker 3: manifested into something new. They just rebranded it. Maybe put
Speaker 3: a new guy in charge. But it's the same thing
Speaker 3: performing the same function.
Speaker 2: And that was created after nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: So it was the Office of Strategic What now.
Speaker 2: Office of Strategic Influence.
Speaker 3: The OSI. Let's look in this here, matter of feder
Speaker 3: wanna pull up the Wikipedia. We're gonna read this first
Speaker 3: little bit here, The Office of Strategic Influence is the
Speaker 3: first studio album by American progressive rock os. Wait, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: that's a band. That's an album for band. But they
Speaker 3: also they did that because of the OSI. Oh look
Speaker 3: at this, it's all band. Look at that. Wow, that's funny. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look at the actual Office of Strategic Influence.
Speaker 3: But like I can't believe a band. I'm gonna listen
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 2: Now that's great, simply must. But anyway, carrying on, while
Speaker 2: you're trying to look for that, there are examples of
Speaker 2: the modern day influence. See the Bay of Pigs, right,
Speaker 2: that was absolutely propagandized.
Speaker 3: All right, I got it right here. So they named
Speaker 3: that album off of the actual Office of Strategic Influence.
Speaker 3: Here's the actual Wikipedia here. The Office of Strategic Influence
Speaker 3: or OSI, was a department created by the United States
Speaker 3: DoD on October thirtieth, two thousand and one, so literally
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks after September eleven. They created this
Speaker 3: organization to support the War on terrorism through psychological operations
Speaker 3: in targeted countries, which did not include the United States.
Speaker 3: Because the Pentagon is barred from psyops in the US.
Speaker 3: Oh Okay, Pentagon is barred from it. That does not
Speaker 3: mean the CI and the FBI are but neither here
Speaker 3: nor there. However, BBC noted that quote, there is nothing
Speaker 3: to stop an American newspaper picking up a story carried
Speaker 3: abroad in quote in cases of news stories that were
Speaker 3: quote unquote black propaganda with deliberately misleading information planted by
Speaker 3: the Pentagon under the OSI. So I'll I'll give everybody
Speaker 3: a real world example of this, just shot out of
Speaker 3: a cannon here. So let's say that there is some
Speaker 3: riots going on in some country, some Asiatic country, right,
Speaker 3: this is say China. Whatever just thrown out MEMR. Mem
Speaker 3: R is currently in the middle of a civil war
Speaker 3: and a military hunt and all this stuff right now,
Speaker 3: let's use them right, fine, And let's just say hypothetically
Speaker 3: that perhaps there was some black hat government agency, American
Speaker 3: government agents that were sent there to spread some descent
Speaker 3: and to kickstart some of these riots and things and stuff.
Speaker 3: Now we would know the government, the Royal American We
Speaker 3: would know that that was a psia that was done
Speaker 3: to get a civil war kickstarted over there. Now we
Speaker 3: have an American reporter on the ground in miammar that
Speaker 3: is reporting on what is going on there, and now
Speaker 3: it's being all over Fox New, CNN all of this shit,
Speaker 3: and the American people are like, oh my god, we
Speaker 3: have to help the poor people at memmr. What is
Speaker 3: going on over there? Never mind the fact that it
Speaker 3: was our government that kickstarted in the first place. Are
Speaker 3: you in buddy, Now, let's look at Gulf of Tonkin,
Speaker 3: which led to the Vietnam War a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, beya pigs, beya pigs. Nineteen sixty one, the CIA
Speaker 2: pressured major outlets not to cover the invasion plans. Then
Speaker 2: you have the Vietnam War, whilch shape public opinion with
Speaker 2: distorted reporting on communism spread.
Speaker 3: But the reporter on the ground wasn't distorting it. He
Speaker 3: was reporting on what he saw. Never mind that what
Speaker 3: he saw was put there in stage for him to
Speaker 3: see and report on.
Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty three Iran and nineteen seventy three Chile planted
Speaker 2: stories supporting CIA backed cous.
Speaker 3: Oh god, you want to look at CIA back cous Man.
Speaker 3: I could show you a video of how many South
Speaker 3: American countries have been overthrown and redone in the last
Speaker 3: fifty years because of the CIA.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, Mexico. It's a good one.
Speaker 3: Mexico's one of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So why does it still matter?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, kind of a loaded question there, but all right.
Speaker 2: So it revealed how easily truth can be engineered, truth
Speaker 2: and quotations. It shows that freedom of press can be
Speaker 2: can be manipulated through money, coercion, or ideology. Obviously, and
Speaker 2: in an age of AI, deep fakes and fact checkers,
Speaker 2: Mockingbird's methods are more relevant than ever. So the final
Speaker 2: thought that it says, Operation Mockingbird teaches us that the
Speaker 2: real battlefield isn't just in politics or war zones, but
Speaker 2: it's in the mind of the public. Whoever controls the
Speaker 2: narrative controls reality.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And this is why I also love history.
Speaker 3: I understand that history is yes, ali agreed upon, I
Speaker 3: get that, But as more time goes on, and as
Speaker 3: we get more and more of the full picture and
Speaker 3: of the full story. Right, we are then able to
Speaker 3: take in the entire context of the situation. For instance,
Speaker 3: up until recently, all these cups in South America, we're
Speaker 3: gonna be written down in the history books. It's just
Speaker 3: like crazy things going on in South America. We now
Speaker 3: know that it was America that spurned them on in
Speaker 3: the first place to even kickstart it. You see what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. Both of them are historically true. One side
Speaker 3: of that may have been the narrative that was going
Speaker 3: to be put down in the history books, and that
Speaker 3: was all it was ever going to be said about it.
Speaker 3: And now we have the entire history.
Speaker 2: Yes, we do well, at least as much as we're
Speaker 2: able to uncover, being that a lot of the documents
Speaker 2: were buried or redacted or this is just off the
Speaker 2: tiny portion of what the public is allowed to know.
Speaker 2: Think about exactly, like, they're not going to tell you everything.
Speaker 2: They're just gonna give you a little bit, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people will see that little bit and build
Speaker 2: the entire story around it. Well, that's all they did.
Speaker 2: They only did this, and that was only happening back then.
Speaker 2: They see they dismantled it. Right, Meanwhile, you think that,
Speaker 2: like you stumble across information like this, you learn about
Speaker 2: how the human mind can be manipulated, both both here
Speaker 2: and abroad. Right, you think that you're just gonna throw
Speaker 2: away that information, especially whenever it's talking about influencing elections,
Speaker 2: influencing the American people to fund with tax dollars to
Speaker 2: go to war, influencing the pharmaceutical industry. It's all over
Speaker 2: the place.
Speaker 3: Let me share this screen real quick, just a show
Speaker 3: exactly what we're talking about here as far as CIA
Speaker 3: involving themselves where they shouldn't be, right, and then what
Speaker 3: did the American media play as far as this shit
Speaker 3: was concerned. And now we know the entire truth of it,
Speaker 3: and it's literally what we are talking about right now.
Speaker 3: Are you ready for this shit? Let's go. Yes.
Speaker 4: Every South American country which has had its government overthrown
Speaker 4: by the CIA since.
Speaker 2: Nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 4: Costa Rica in nineteen forty eight, Guatemala nineteen fifty four,
Speaker 4: Al Salvador nineteen seventy nine, Nicaragua nineteen eighty one, Panama
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine, Paraguay nineteen fifty four, Brazil nineteen sixty four,
Speaker 4: Peru nineteen sixty eight, Chile nineteen seventy three, Uruguay nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy three, Argentina nineteen seventy six, and Venezuela in two
Speaker 4: thousand and two. Many of these were perceived as ideologically
Speaker 4: opposed to the United States, were left to dictatorships or
Speaker 4: some combination of the two.
Speaker 3: Okay, so as we're talking about what certain narrative might
Speaker 3: have been pumped out all over our TV screens by
Speaker 3: the news, did you hear what's going on in Venezuela
Speaker 3: in two thousand and two, right after the War on terrorism? Now, why,
Speaker 3: oh why would the CIA be fucking around in Venezuela
Speaker 3: when we're trying to get boots on the ground in
Speaker 3: Afghanistan to hunt allegedly Osama bin Laden aka tim Osman,
Speaker 3: another CIA asset. It's just interesting, everybody, It's interesting how
Speaker 3: this shit kind of plays in, Doesn't.
Speaker 2: It interesting how that ended up working out for Venezuela.
Speaker 2: You know, there they were. They were a thriving economy,
Speaker 2: a thriving community. They were expanding in every possible way
Speaker 2: via government and technology, and I mean literally in every
Speaker 2: possible way.
Speaker 3: They had like the world's fourth largest economy at that time, right,
Speaker 3: and so we overthrew the crazy dictator that they had
Speaker 3: because he was talking about running them in to the ground,
Speaker 3: and we installed and by we, I mean CIA Americans,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to call it, installed a leader that
Speaker 3: was more aligned with American ideologies and was about to
Speaker 3: give us a sweetheart deal in some of that gorgeous
Speaker 3: Venezuelan and oil, and then the people revolted. Then you
Speaker 3: had a general takeover, and he drove that country into
Speaker 3: the ground so hard that they are one of the
Speaker 3: worst places to go right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so you could say in a way that
Speaker 2: it was in the benefit of the United States government
Speaker 2: and military and every other way. It was in the
Speaker 2: benefit of the United States that Venezuela turned socialist.
Speaker 3: We were trying to prevent that from happening, and then
Speaker 3: they forced it to happen quote unquote right quote unquote,
Speaker 3: because the guy that was in charge in two thousand
Speaker 3: and one was trying to turn it that way. Two
Speaker 3: thousand and two, we installed a democratic gut leader and
Speaker 3: then a socialist kicked him out, and there was beyond
Speaker 3: repair at that point.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, is it easy to mind minerals and
Speaker 2: oil from a capitalist society or from a socialist in
Speaker 2: communist society, where the government owns everything and the people
Speaker 2: own nothing, whenever, all you have to do is manipulate
Speaker 2: the governmental leader of that country, and you don't have
Speaker 2: to manipulate individual corporations or into individual people anymore. So
Speaker 2: I'm looking at that and I'm like, Okay, so the
Speaker 2: United States almost finds it beneficial for communism in some countries.
Speaker 2: In some cases, possibly.
Speaker 3: It's a lot, but it's a lot easier. To your point,
Speaker 3: it's a lot easier to get the resources from a
Speaker 3: country when they are all starving and will do anything
Speaker 3: to earn a dollar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, big time. So now let's get over to
Speaker 2: mocking j nowk We've all seen the Hunger Games, right,
Speaker 2: So this is where all this stems from. And also
Speaker 2: I want to remind people that you know, just because
Speaker 2: you don't hear about a lot of these CIA operations
Speaker 2: that are going current day, doesn't mean that they're not happening.
Speaker 2: You know, the people back in the fifties, sixties, seventies
Speaker 2: had no idea that MK Ultra and Mockingbird was even
Speaker 2: going on. It wasn't until late or through the Freedom
Speaker 2: of Information Act and government whistleblowers, that these things even
Speaker 2: really came to light, right, And honestly, those things that
Speaker 2: were dismantled ended up just evolving into higher forms of
Speaker 2: what they had already previously learned from those experiments in
Speaker 2: the first place. This is where I.
Speaker 3: Knew what Edward Snowden was talking about the NSA was doing.
Speaker 3: We didn't know that that was happening as it was happening.
Speaker 3: And then even after he blew the lid off of it,
Speaker 3: by the way, everyone that was never retracted by the government.
Speaker 3: That is still currently happening. They never went back and
Speaker 3: repealed the Patriot Act.
Speaker 2: Remember back in you know, early two thousands, two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven, thousand and eight, in that era that almost
Speaker 2: all phones, not every one of them, but almost all
Speaker 2: phones used to be able to have the detachable, detachable battery,
Speaker 2: and so if your battle when dead, you'd be able
Speaker 2: to replace it and put a new one in there, right,
Speaker 2: And then after a while they stopped doing that. It's
Speaker 2: hard to find any phone if there is any that
Speaker 2: you can detach the battery from, well, and that's what
Speaker 2: people would do. They would take out the battery you know,
Speaker 2: especially like people were in mobs or gangs or having
Speaker 2: high level conversations. They didn't want the intelligence community, you know,
Speaker 2: peering in on what they what they could do. What
Speaker 2: they thought they could do was just take out the
Speaker 2: battery from the back of the phone and there you go.
Speaker 2: There's no way that they can listen in on these
Speaker 2: conversations or anything like that. Then steps in Edward Snowden,
Speaker 2: the whistleblower who said, it doesn't matter if you take
Speaker 2: out the battery out of your fucking phone, they can
Speaker 2: still tap into it. And everybody's like, what does that
Speaker 2: even mean? It's not even powered on, and how does
Speaker 2: that even work. This is the level of technology that
Speaker 2: has grown from these things. Okay, So whenever we're talking about,
Speaker 2: oh well, mocking Jay is just a theory? Is it
Speaker 2: a theory? Is it a theory to say that mocking
Speaker 2: burr to just eventually win away. Turn on the news,
Speaker 2: turn on any program on TV, turn on some podcasts,
Speaker 2: turn on some YouTube channels, turn on some tiktoks, turn
Speaker 2: on Instagram, whatever, turn it on. It is blaring you
Speaker 2: in the fucking face that mocking Bird didn't go away.
Speaker 2: It evolved into mocking j okay, let's go souh. Operation
Speaker 2: mocking J it says it isn't a confirmed or documented
Speaker 2: CIA operation by that name, but it appears in conspiracy
Speaker 2: circles as a rumored modern evolution of Operation mocking Bird,
Speaker 2: the Real CIA program to infiltrate and manipulate mass media.
Speaker 2: The term mocking j is borrowed from the Hunger Games,
Speaker 2: where the bird symbolizes rebellion in propaganda and the conspiracy context,
Speaker 2: Operation mocking j is believed to be the digital age
Speaker 2: weaponization of information and influence. Now it doesn't take a
Speaker 2: genius to assume that this is probably what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so here's the spool, the speculative breakdown. So Operation mocking
Speaker 2: Ja the alleged modern continuation of CIA media manipulation. So
Speaker 2: it'll give a little bit of an overview of Mockingbird.
Speaker 2: I know we went over it, but just you know,
Speaker 2: to go with it. So it's inspired by Operation Mockingbird
Speaker 2: that was allegedly around from forty eight to the mid seventies.
Speaker 2: The Real CIA program aimed to influence major news outlets
Speaker 2: by planting agents as journalists, editors, and producers, controlling the narrative.
Speaker 2: During the Cold war so mocking j as a symbol
Speaker 2: in the Hunger Games, the mocking Jay was both a
Speaker 2: product of government manipulation and a tool of resistance. If
Speaker 2: you remember so Catnus, she's she's all wearing the mocking
Speaker 2: jpin on her shirt. There was, And it was weird
Speaker 2: because in the book it was given to her by
Speaker 2: somebody that I believed that was in the Games, but
Speaker 2: in the movie it was given like she she found
Speaker 2: it like a flea marketer some kind of shit. But
Speaker 2: either way, it was given to her as a symbol,
Speaker 2: and she wanted to use that symbol to try and
Speaker 2: bring on the rebel like I'm gonna do this. Remember
Speaker 2: in the Hunger Games, whenever her and Pete they both
Speaker 2: make it to the end, they have those poison berries
Speaker 2: and they're both getting ready to eat them. Well, they
Speaker 2: knew that that was their only form of any kind
Speaker 2: of control to get out of that situation, so they
Speaker 2: threatened to eat them. And then what do you hear
Speaker 2: the guy coming over the loudspeaker. Stop stop stop. They
Speaker 2: needed to have a winner, right because that was the
Speaker 2: only way, like the people needed a winner. This was
Speaker 2: this was you think about the Hunger Games, I know,
Speaker 2: it's just a fictional thing, but it was an It
Speaker 2: was a way in which, you know, modern humanity evolved
Speaker 2: from needing to war with each other, and this was
Speaker 2: a way to still get that little piece of war out.
Speaker 2: But you still needed a winner to overcome these obstacles, right,
Speaker 2: you needed the martyrs. So they were trying to use that. Well,
Speaker 2: then you fast forward into the into the books that
Speaker 2: were after that and to the movies that were after that,
Speaker 2: where basically they saw that mocking Jay as basically like
Speaker 2: the the government or the people that were in control,
Speaker 2: they saw that and they wanted to use it against
Speaker 2: the people. So instead of using it as a symbol
Speaker 2: of rebellion, they used it as a psychological operation that
Speaker 2: made it made the people believe that it was the
Speaker 2: symbol of rebellion. Meanwhile, they're still doing all this negative
Speaker 2: shit in the behind closed doors, right like the game
Speaker 2: still went on. So this is this is the idea.
Speaker 2: It's a bastardization of a symbol that was once a
Speaker 2: good thing that they turned into a bad thing and
Speaker 2: they used it for their benefit. So the mocking Jay
Speaker 2: is a symbol. It says in the Hunger Games, the
Speaker 2: mocking Jay was both a product of government manipulation and
Speaker 2: a tool of resistance. That duality is key to the conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Influencers may be used unknowingly, thinking that they're independent voices.
Speaker 2: And so whenever we're talking about you know, characters like
Speaker 2: Alex Jones or Ian Carroll or name you know, Russell Brand, whatever, right,
Speaker 2: they may not even know that they're being used. And
Speaker 2: that's the and that's including us. We look up information
Speaker 2: and we don't know if this is some kind of
Speaker 2: psychological propaganda that the CI put out and wanted conspiracy
Speaker 2: theorists to pick them. I think about that all the
Speaker 2: fucking time. I don't know.
Speaker 3: You know how many algorithms have been boosted or shut
Speaker 3: down to promote certain shows on purpose. Now, again, it's
Speaker 3: not any of the independent creator's faults that they this
Speaker 3: random thing went viral, this crazy little clip that really
Speaker 3: wasn't based in anything. Next thing, you know, it went viral,
Speaker 3: everybody's talking about it. This person's on everybody's show, he's
Speaker 3: now insta famous. Sometimes that's organic and natural and fine, okay, cool.
Speaker 3: Sometimes with that being said, it can also be forced
Speaker 3: and promoted in a way completely independent from them. They
Speaker 3: don't they're just reaping the benefits and they're like, oh man,
Speaker 3: I love it. People are listening to me now, the
Speaker 3: show's doing great, this and this. It's equally possible that
Speaker 3: that was being pushed and propagated in such a way
Speaker 3: completely without their knowledge exact for certain intentions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and it could be something even as
Speaker 2: silly that you would think in this context, it could
Speaker 2: be something even as lighthearted as flat earth. Think about
Speaker 2: that for sure, Absolutely about that. Every conspiracy theorist talks
Speaker 2: about flat Earth. Everybody talks about nine to eleven, everybody
Speaker 2: talks about JFK, everybody talks about Trump, and you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like everybody is talking about these things.
Speaker 2: I almost wonder if it's scripted, that was propaganda that
Speaker 2: was given to us, essentially.
Speaker 3: I think about that a lot with the flat earthers.
Speaker 3: And yes, I know the flat earth community is gonna
Speaker 3: get mad at me for saying this. Fine, Look, you
Speaker 3: believe what you believe, I'll dioglobetarm Fine, fine, But I
Speaker 3: also believe that that is a type of sleight of hand.
Speaker 3: They're keeping the conspiracy heads squabbling amongst ourselves about whether
Speaker 3: the Earth is flat or fucking round. Meanwhile, they got
Speaker 3: all this other shit going on behind closed doors. A
Speaker 3: understood thing that pretty much every culture has gotten down
Speaker 3: with about the Earth being round, by the way, doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: We are fighting over it and talking about the validity
Speaker 3: of certain types of physics rather than talking about what
Speaker 3: the government is doing to us right now.
Speaker 2: And and but that's the thing is that flat Earth
Speaker 2: is a symbol in a sense, But a symbol holds
Speaker 2: a lot of meanings. And so whenever you hear flatter,
Speaker 2: it's like whenever you see the McDonald symbol, you don't
Speaker 2: only think about a big mac. You might think about
Speaker 2: some mcnuggies, maybe a mcflurry, right, maybe a little shamrock shake. Right.
Speaker 3: It's all in when I see the golden norches personally.
Speaker 2: It's all encompassing with that symbol, okay. And that is
Speaker 2: occult magic in and of itself. So if you think
Speaker 2: about it all right, you might somebody might look at
Speaker 2: somebody that believes in flat Earth and be like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you believe the fucking Earth is flat? Were
Speaker 2: you a caveman? Meanwhile, a lot of the things that
Speaker 2: the flat earthers bring up that are kind of outside
Speaker 2: of flat Earth as far as getting into NASA and
Speaker 2: getting into all these space agencies and organizations, and how
Speaker 2: some math doesn't really math all the way entirely, or
Speaker 2: how about the tilt of the of the earth is
Speaker 2: on a sixty six point six degree angle, like why
Speaker 2: is that? You know? And so? And it causes people
Speaker 2: to question. So there's always going to be nuggets of truth,
Speaker 2: I believe, and I'm kind of I'm on the fence
Speaker 2: with that. I don't know what the fucking shape of
Speaker 2: the Earth is. I don't know if it's flat, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's round. I believe it's personally like
Speaker 2: a fucking nightmare or a dream, So it doesn't even
Speaker 2: matter what the shape of it is.
Speaker 3: I use that as an example. It's the same thing
Speaker 3: to say that they have a squabbling over which bathroom
Speaker 3: people are supposed to be using, rather than focusing on
Speaker 3: like the pedophile rings that are currently being revealed in
Speaker 3: the government. No, no, no, we need to talk about the
Speaker 3: seventy four genders because words hurt and feelings. Matt, It's
Speaker 3: like wait, wait, stop, shut the fuck up. Epstein's list
Speaker 3: is still not released yet. That's my point. I ud
Speaker 3: flat Earth is an example, No.
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Certain things are promoted to keep people distracted.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, stop talking about Epstein. Here's Diddy about that, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: So anyhow, so the alleged goals if we're talking about
Speaker 2: Project mocking Jay, if we are to believe that it
Speaker 2: is a real thing, and I think without question it
Speaker 2: absolutely has to I'm not saying that it has to
Speaker 2: be going by that name. That's just what theorists have
Speaker 2: called it. It's just an extension of Mockingbirds. So if
Speaker 2: you don't like the idea of the evolution of mockingbird,
Speaker 2: fucking forget names. We're talking about tactics. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: alleged goals would be to the they would have the
Speaker 2: control of digital narratives. It's not just news anymore. Operation
Speaker 2: mocking Jay allegedly targets social media influencers, YouTubers, TikTok trends, podcasts,
Speaker 2: and memes, along with behavioral programming. Now this is something
Speaker 2: think about the TikTok dances and stuff like that. The
Speaker 2: one that's going around right now is the people that
Speaker 2: are doing that dance where I don't even know what
Speaker 2: the fuck it's called.
Speaker 3: But stupid I hate TikTok. I hate TikTok itself, but
Speaker 3: then the dances that go viral, it's like this, this
Speaker 3: is considered content two people.
Speaker 2: And it's and it turns it into an echo chamber.
Speaker 2: Your algorithm is your echo chamber. And so that's why
Speaker 2: people literally, I mean, we're aware of that. We know
Speaker 2: that our algorithm, the things that we like, are the
Speaker 2: things that we watch, is ultimately going to build the
Speaker 2: algorithm itself. So like you, if you were to download TikTok,
Speaker 2: for example, you would mainly if you were to start
Speaker 2: liking videos, your your shit would be more towards the
Speaker 2: political kind of stuff, and you might be hearing political
Speaker 2: pundits or hearing what's going on over in other countries,
Speaker 2: and your algorithm would keep on feeding you. Then, whether
Speaker 2: it be true information false information, doesn't matter. It keeps
Speaker 2: your mind and trapped into this this one echo chamber, right,
Speaker 2: And whereas me, I'm more involved, Like I love all
Speaker 2: the spiritual shit, I love all the mystical, all the shamanistic,
Speaker 2: all the Dolores cannon like, and so that's what I
Speaker 2: keep on getting near death experiences, past live regression shit
Speaker 2: like That's what I'm into, so you almost are. You're directly,
Speaker 2: indirectly putting yourself into an echo chamber because you know
Speaker 2: how the algorithm works. In a sense, so even in.
Speaker 3: Them's whole job is to keep your eyes glued to
Speaker 3: your screen individually. So what's gonna keep your eyes Jonathan
Speaker 3: glued to your screen is not necessarily what's gonna keep
Speaker 3: mind glued. But my algorithm is built to do the
Speaker 3: same thing for me. That's how this whole thing works.
Speaker 2: That's how you know what's gotten bad. And we know
Speaker 2: that we can almost construct our own algorithm.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh absolutely you can.
Speaker 2: That in a sense is like the Beauty and the Beast. Right,
Speaker 2: what's that called again?
Speaker 3: Oh you're talking about Stockholm syndromes.
Speaker 2: We're essentially saying, we know that there is a beast
Speaker 2: that is controlling our life, but we're gonna fall in
Speaker 2: love with it anyway, if you really think about it.
Speaker 2: That's really what's going on. Whenever your thumb and social
Speaker 2: media all fucking day, you.
Speaker 3: Know they're listening, even when we're not listening. We've done
Speaker 3: so how many experiments we were talking about. Uh, oh,
Speaker 3: we don't even own a cat. You just randomly for
Speaker 3: about a week, randomly throughout the day say oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we need to go buy some cat food. Next thing,
Speaker 3: you know, you see so many ads on your YouTube,
Speaker 3: on your TikTok or whatever about some deal on cat
Speaker 3: food going on. That's the thing that multiple people have done.
Speaker 2: Oh and it listens in on your conversations big time.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: And that's where it's security. Nobody's secure. Like your thoughts
Speaker 2: aren't secure. The conversations you have aren't secure. Your interests
Speaker 2: aren't secure, your disinterests aren't secure. What you've done, what
Speaker 2: you will do, what you're thinking about doing, what you
Speaker 2: did yesterday, what you did ten years ago, none of
Speaker 2: that is secure. We are in the ultimate surveillance state,
Speaker 2: and we are finding ways to be comfortable within the
Speaker 2: own prison. Okay, so this is a mental prison that
Speaker 2: they've constructed here over the course of fifty years, just
Speaker 2: fifty years, they figured out how to put everybody into
Speaker 2: their own mental prison. Ok So that involves the behavioral programming,
Speaker 2: whether it is on social media, YouTube, TikTok, podcast, memes, whatever, right,
Speaker 2: because there is such a thing as me magic, but
Speaker 2: that's for the other day. So the behavioral programming would
Speaker 2: be through algorithms, dopamine cycles, and identity engineering. Think about that,
Speaker 2: people don't even know who they are until social media
Speaker 2: tells them who they are. So through algorithms, dopamine cycles,
Speaker 2: and identity engineering, the goal is to shape public perception,
Speaker 2: reinforce division, or trigger mass emotion. Yep, it's obvious. It
Speaker 2: doesn't take like a rocket scientist to figure out that
Speaker 2: this is happening. They want to redefine truth. Okay, how
Speaker 2: do you read?
Speaker 3: Just trying the subjective? Right, It's what is your truth?
Speaker 3: Not what is the truth? Like? What is the understood
Speaker 3: guaranteed one plus one equals two truth? What is the
Speaker 3: truth to you?
Speaker 2: And we're not talking about anything spiritual this is we're
Speaker 2: not talking about that at all. We're talking about the
Speaker 2: truth of government of the.
Speaker 3: Four genders versus two genders. That's a stupid example, but yet,
Speaker 3: but it's it's an example exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So, redefining truth the operation may not only suppress info
Speaker 2: but create alternate realities narratives that guide public belief while
Speaker 2: discrediting independent thought.
Speaker 3: Oh god, and you couple that with AI. Oh dude,
Speaker 3: don't even get me started on this shit.
Speaker 2: Just like Tommy Lee, Jones and Men in Black right on.
Speaker 2: The individual is stupid. Actually, uh, George Carlin, I saw this.
Speaker 2: He was on back whenever he was alive. He was
Speaker 2: on like David Letterman or something like that. He goes,
Speaker 2: if I could annihilate every single group, if I could
Speaker 2: just drop a fucking nuke on top of all of them,
Speaker 2: I would. The individual I love, I love each individual,
Speaker 2: But you start gathering in twos and threes and groups
Speaker 2: of tens and twenties, I fucking hate them, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's George Carlin. He's a comedian, but he was always
Speaker 2: on some real shit right.
Speaker 3: It's just like you said from me in black. The
Speaker 3: person is smart. The person individual is smart. People are panicky.
Speaker 3: It's the mob. They can be easily controlled and cattle herded.
Speaker 2: Yes, So they want to redefine truth by creating alternate
Speaker 2: realities and narratives that guide public belief while discrediting independent thought.
Speaker 2: What a what a fucking genius idea evil genius but genius, No.
Speaker 3: Evil genius but genius none the less one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: So then how are they doing it? Like as far
Speaker 2: as their tactics and techniques, So you have bought armies
Speaker 2: and sock puppets sounds interesting. We all know that. Like
Speaker 2: whenever Elon bought Twitter, what was it like like sixty
Speaker 2: percent of all Twitter was bots or some crazy number
Speaker 2: like that, affecting the algorithm ultimately, right, because you're going
Speaker 2: to be arguing in the comments section of a somebody's
Speaker 2: Twitter post and meanwhile you it's it's literally a bot
Speaker 2: of division.
Speaker 3: It's a box to get you to hate an AI bot.
Speaker 3: That's what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Good luck. Yeah, and it's not gonna work.
Speaker 3: You can't why they tell people. Anybody in the content
Speaker 3: space will tell you, dude, don't read the comments. Don't
Speaker 3: read the people sipping hater aid. Hell, half of the
Speaker 3: main even people I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't read any of them, So I don't get
Speaker 2: caught up in any of that bullshit. I used to
Speaker 2: and it started to depress me, and it started to
Speaker 2: make me literally like question my own sanity and my
Speaker 2: own reality. And you don't want to do that. Like whatever,
Speaker 2: you're whatever, you whatever you do that you're enjoying that
Speaker 2: you find like value out of life, don't let anybody
Speaker 2: denigrate that like that. There's always going to be people
Speaker 2: sipping hater aid. Those are the same people that are
Speaker 2: sitting at home and their grandma's basement that are never
Speaker 2: going to becoming in anything, and so I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like
Speaker 2: people just if they can't have it, they want to
Speaker 2: watch the world burn. And those people absolutely holistic hater.
Speaker 3: I did my digging on him, and like, I feel
Speaker 3: bad for the guy now now that I know about
Speaker 3: who he is and like his life and shit, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is like all he has is just spewing hateful
Speaker 3: rhetoric because like he's got nothing else going for him. Dude,
Speaker 3: he's like a wanna be photographer. One of his Instagram
Speaker 3: pages is a bunch of wanna be edgy pictures of
Speaker 3: him wearing a Michael Myers mask taking selfies in it.
Speaker 3: And I'm talking like over a hundred pictures of this.
Speaker 3: By the way, he thinks he's like a photographer. And
Speaker 3: it's like, you, poor bastard. Now, I don't I feel
Speaker 3: bad for you. I'm sorry that even called you out
Speaker 3: in the first place, like he.
Speaker 2: Just he actually he actually reached out and apologized on Instagram.
Speaker 2: I can't remember if I told the time No, that
Speaker 2: was just like a month ago.
Speaker 3: He's back on the hater train.
Speaker 2: Then oh yeah, yeah, but he he actually told us, so,
Speaker 2: anybody that is watching, you'll know that we have a very,
Speaker 2: very prolific hater. I'm not gonna say his name. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna do that, but you'll always see it's usually
Speaker 2: the top review. Usually he wants to be front and center, Okay,
Speaker 2: And he actually reached out and he said, look, I
Speaker 2: actually do like you guys, but whenever you fuel me
Speaker 2: and you start talking about me, that only gives me
Speaker 2: the extra fucking rocket blaster boost that I need to
Speaker 2: keep on going and doing it. He goes like, so
Speaker 2: some people are like literally professional shit talkers, and they
Speaker 2: feed off of the energy that you're giving it. It's
Speaker 2: almost like demons in a sense, like if you feed
Speaker 2: into the fear of demons, it only makes them more powerful. Right,
Speaker 2: And I'm not calling this guy a demon, he's just
Speaker 2: some guy whatever. It's just a comparison.
Speaker 3: But he's one of the most people there's ever been.
Speaker 3: And like it's like, you know, if I had literally
Speaker 3: nothing else going on in my life, I would be
Speaker 3: pissed off at the world too, and I would just
Speaker 3: like start throwing shit at anybody I could.
Speaker 2: And it's like, all right, bro, do you hey, buddy,
Speaker 2: just keep talking about Jacob. I'm sticking up for you
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not even shitting on him like it. And
Speaker 3: I'm not even saying like, oh he's a pitch like no, no, no,
Speaker 3: I like whenever I found out more about him, it's like, oh, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: So it's this is like, you know, I mean, none
Speaker 2: of us are perfect. We all have our downfalls, and
Speaker 2: this just happens to be his, right. So that being said,
Speaker 2: So there are tactics and in techniques that include bought
Speaker 2: armies and what they call sock puppets. So there are
Speaker 2: fake accounts that flood the comments section. They amplify narratives,
Speaker 2: they cancel dissidence or simulate consensus. And this is the thing,
Speaker 2: you know, I've actually heard about this where like a
Speaker 2: husband and a wife or a boyfriend and a girlfriend whatever,
Speaker 2: they stumbled across this one post and I don't remember
Speaker 2: what it was. There was something political. It was during
Speaker 2: the election, right, and they stumbled across this picture and
Speaker 2: one of them started reading the comments, right, like just
Speaker 2: seeing what's at the top, what people saying di da.
Speaker 2: Then the wife ends up reading the same exact Instagram post. Okay,
Speaker 2: started reading down the comments. The comments were so far
Speaker 2: like they weren't the same thing, okay, different like one
Speaker 2: was more pro Republican, one was more pro Democrat. It's
Speaker 2: the same exact post. But because your algorithm is built
Speaker 2: upon what you're interested in, it's going to show you
Speaker 2: something that you're going to react to. It's not always
Speaker 2: something that you like, it's just something that's going to
Speaker 2: garner your your reaction. That's the fuel, that's the energy.
Speaker 2: How can we get a reaction that's going to keep
Speaker 2: this person on this app, on this phone away from
Speaker 2: reality as much as humanly possible. So your reaction is
Speaker 2: the fuel, So just stop reacting. That's all they want.
Speaker 2: They want your reaction. They want to keep you in
Speaker 2: that fucking low vibration. So but yeah, I mean literally
Speaker 2: the comments, I mean, you could go down. You know,
Speaker 2: you can always just keep on hitting and see more,
Speaker 2: see more, see more, and you can go into like
Speaker 2: subcomments where there's a comment on a comment and keep
Speaker 2: on reading those entirely different for each individual's people live
Speaker 2: in the same house, Okay, so it's sick, it really is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, bot armies absolutely exist. Then there's shadow banning,
Speaker 2: which we know a lot about, and algorithm tweaks, so
Speaker 2: it says allegedly works with platforms to suppress content that
Speaker 2: doesn't align with approved world views while boosting tailored disinformation.
Speaker 2: Anybody with a fucking two brain cells to put together
Speaker 2: knows that that's true.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Then there's this thing called astroturfing. Have you ever heard
Speaker 2: of this?
Speaker 3: I have go ahead.
Speaker 2: So astro turfing makes fake movements look real, creating the
Speaker 2: illusion of mass support or opposition. Who remembers whenever Joe
Speaker 2: Biden was campaigning against Donald Trump in twenty twenty, you
Speaker 2: would see tens of thousands of people at these for
Speaker 2: Trump and you're like, there's no fucking way the Trump
Speaker 2: is going to lose, right, and it's all the spectacle.
Speaker 2: Then you see Joe Biden. He's hosting little fucking kids
Speaker 2: tea parties and somehow he is the highest voted for
Speaker 2: president to ever be elected at the time. Right, yeah,
Speaker 2: never made any kind of sense, And so this is
Speaker 2: kind of an example of that, to where it's almost
Speaker 2: like it's telling you what you see is not reality.
Speaker 3: Oh bro, foreign news outlets were talking about after the
Speaker 3: election had happened, It's like, now, how did Trump win
Speaker 3: all of this in the last minute when Joe Biden
Speaker 3: looked like he stood such a chance, And it's like,
Speaker 3: who said that he stood a chance? Why would you
Speaker 3: believe that? And it's like, well, because the media that
Speaker 3: they were getting was showing that this was such a
Speaker 3: close race until the very end, and Trump fucking ran
Speaker 3: away with it. It's like, no no one in America
Speaker 3: for even a split second belief that this was a
Speaker 3: close race at all during the caaign, like not even
Speaker 3: a little bit.
Speaker 2: I actually believe that Trump cheated, But I think that
Speaker 2: everybody cheats, Like I think that every single president who
Speaker 2: has ever been president has absolutely had to cheat because
Speaker 2: the game's tilted.
Speaker 3: You know, Achie once he got shot in the face
Speaker 3: and had that whole iconic picture of him throwing the
Speaker 3: fight with the flag behind him, and I think it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: he won this one.
Speaker 2: I think he just had to cheat less, Okay, can
Speaker 2: you see what I'm saying? Like, I think that there's
Speaker 2: absolutely you can't win a game that is rigged, like
Speaker 2: and we know this, Like that's that's an absolute fact.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's astrotype astro turfing. Then you have deep
Speaker 2: fake influence. We've all been caught off guard by the
Speaker 2: deep fakes, right. AI is getting better by the fucking second.
Speaker 2: So emerging tools like AI generated faces and voices could
Speaker 2: be used to fabricate events, testimonies, or quote unquote proof. Yep, yeah, buddy,
Speaker 2: that's absolutely going on. It's going to continue to go on.
Speaker 2: People thought back in the day that the Aliens would
Speaker 2: come via Project Blue Beam, right, like just a simulated
Speaker 2: sky event that would show all of the world's religious
Speaker 2: leaders coming together and merging into one. I think it's
Speaker 2: probably more AI.
Speaker 3: Driven these days. Sure, done with that.
Speaker 2: So you have your suspected modern day signs. So what
Speaker 2: to look for. So you have coordinated influencer messaging. Messaging
Speaker 2: rather it says when dozens of creators suddenly pushed the
Speaker 2: same talking point within hours without transparency, that is a
Speaker 2: mocking jay red flag on. Yeah. Then you have the
Speaker 2: rapid narrative swings, so huge shifts in public focus. So,
Speaker 2: for example, sudden moral outrage over new topics suggest managed attention.
Speaker 2: So whenever you see George Floyd, he's getting taken out
Speaker 2: by this police officer and oh my god, he can't breathe, right,
Speaker 2: he has his fucking knee on his throat and on
Speaker 2: his neck. And so you're gonna get people who are
Speaker 2: gonna outrage over that, and they don't really care about
Speaker 2: George Floyd's you know, his past, which obviously you know
Speaker 2: that shouldn't have to play into it either way. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're all humans. We deserve to be treated like humans.
Speaker 2: But that being said, whenever you look into it and
Speaker 2: you find out that the police officer and George Floyd
Speaker 2: have been boys for years, right, and then the movement
Speaker 2: that transfired after that, the Black Lives Matter movement that
Speaker 2: spurned from that situation itself, you want to talk about division.
Speaker 2: That is the most divisive thing since the fucking American Revolution.
Speaker 3: Bro. All of it's a part of Project mocking Jay, dude,
Speaker 3: all of.
Speaker 2: And then of course you have your boys like David
Speaker 2: Hogg with the crisis actor theories. It's not even theories
Speaker 2: like you can find that. There are literally organizations that
Speaker 2: have that that teach crisis actors. David Hogg's one of them.
Speaker 2: So while it may be controversial, uh, many Mocking Jay
Speaker 2: believers think that viral videos of quote unquote victims or
Speaker 2: witnesses in political events are staged or manipulated for sympathy
Speaker 2: or opinion control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see it one hundred percent, no doubt
Speaker 3: with that one. You have to wrap this one up though, brother,
Speaker 3: our guy to get the kid from school.
Speaker 2: Heard that we got one more thing, all right, So
Speaker 2: it says so who's involved? The CIA, the NSA, the
Speaker 2: DHS fusion cells. They're believed to be back to operating
Speaker 2: our back end, operating layers of the of the syops,
Speaker 2: possibly through partnerships with social media companies. Then you have
Speaker 2: private SYOPS firms such as Pallenteer, Cambridge Analytica, and various
Speaker 2: pr agencies that may act as fronts to do what
Speaker 2: governments officially can't. We kind of mentioned the uh the
Speaker 2: oculus in Texas. Then you have celebrities and mega influencers,
Speaker 2: so some of them are suspected assets, knowingly or unknowingly
Speaker 2: pushing narratives in exchange for protection deals or platform favor.
Speaker 2: That one's not hard to believe, So just want to
Speaker 2: throw it out there. I hope everybody got a little
Speaker 2: bit of information so that that way, whenever you start
Speaker 2: looking at media. You know what to look for because
Speaker 2: it's already been done. You see the blueprint of all
Speaker 2: of it. Okay, so you're not crazy, you're just thinking
Speaker 2: with that third eye all the way open. So I
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Speaker 3: You kind of took my outro on that one, but
Speaker 3: I'm good with it because I really do gotta go.
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