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<v Speaker 1>Oh fello, thats are.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Occult

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<v Speaker 2>of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob, and

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<v Speaker 2>today we are going to be covered uncovering some of

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<v Speaker 2>the older concepts that we have talked about and about

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<v Speaker 2>how they have possibly even evolved into today. So people

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<v Speaker 2>bring up mk Ultra, and people bring up Project mocking

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<v Speaker 2>Bird and these types of things, and they say, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the especially the blue pillars, the ones with their third

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<v Speaker 2>eyes all the way closed. They'll say, that's just what

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<v Speaker 2>they used to do. They were just experimenting. They were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to push the human mind and body to its limits.

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<v Speaker 2>Da da da da. Right, false, still.

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<v Speaker 3>Going on, and we got proof of it right now, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that a lot of people myself included,

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<v Speaker 3>right when we talk about conspiracies with the three letter

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<v Speaker 3>agencies from the fifties, the sixties, the seventies, the eighties,

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<v Speaker 3>that's like the Cold War era of the spy games,

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<v Speaker 3>and like at that point it was carte blanche, do

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<v Speaker 3>whatever you need to do to get the results because

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<v Speaker 3>we've got to stop communism. Okay, fine, fine, yes, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's the thing. So many things have been confirmed about

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<v Speaker 3>what happened in the past. So there's like two mindsets

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to the dark underbelly of our government

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<v Speaker 3>and these three letters agencies. Right, there's the Cold War

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<v Speaker 3>era and there's the post nine to eleven era. Here's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing, it's not like one of them is better

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<v Speaker 3>or worse than the other. They just got smarter and

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<v Speaker 3>they had to upscale their tactics. Right in the seventies

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<v Speaker 3>and eighties. This is before we had the Internet, This

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<v Speaker 3>before we had photo imaging on AI and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, these agencies are still doing the absolute worstest

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<v Speaker 3>of the worst, but they are a lot more slick

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<v Speaker 3>about it these days. That's all that's changed.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they more slick about it or have we become

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<v Speaker 2>so hypnotized to what they've been aiming to do that

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<v Speaker 2>it's so out in the open that we don't even

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<v Speaker 2>notice it because of our deep hypnosis that they've lulled

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<v Speaker 2>us into. And that's and not just by you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the verbiage and mainstream media. That's all across the board,

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<v Speaker 2>the pharmaceutical industry, the sky's being poisoned, the water being poisoned,

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<v Speaker 2>the food not being nutritious, every single thing five G

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, right, every single thing has been literally

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<v Speaker 2>created to stagnate you, to dull your mind, to make

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<v Speaker 2>you not look into things. These are your people, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're all over the place, the people the victims of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not gonna lie. I used to be. I

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<v Speaker 2>used to be one of those what are they called

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<v Speaker 2>the NPCs. I say that like, I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 2>kind of all born into that in a sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Like nobody's immune to propaganda. Nobody's immune to propaganda.

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<v Speaker 3>Every and everybody who's like, oh yes, we are no,

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<v Speaker 3>not a single one of anybody in America. When nine

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<v Speaker 3>to eleven happened, I'm talking right after for the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of two thousand and one, from September to December, every

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<v Speaker 3>American wanted blood in Afghanistan for this shit. Oh, we

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<v Speaker 3>are all susceptible to propaganda, ladies and gentlemen. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>a thing to be ashamed of. We're humans. We have

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<v Speaker 3>a lizard brain. They know that, and they know the

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<v Speaker 3>things to make the brain get a response from us.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a secret that's been known by these people for

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<v Speaker 3>you know, centuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and and it's all over the place. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>just named a few, how about the school system. How

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<v Speaker 2>about the school system that doesn't doesn't want you questioning

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<v Speaker 2>everything that this is the history and don't question it. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the science, and don't question it. This is

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<v Speaker 2>how reality works. This is the history of our land

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<v Speaker 2>and the land across the world, and don't question it

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<v Speaker 2>because if you do, you're gonna get deemed a crazy

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<v Speaker 2>nut job conspiracy theorist. And not only are they gonna

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<v Speaker 2>separate you from the rest of society, they use that

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<v Speaker 2>term to even separate you from your friends, from your family,

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<v Speaker 2>from your loved ones. We've we've we've had conversations with

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<v Speaker 2>people who once they start diving into these kind of topics,

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<v Speaker 2>like their their their wives or their husbands, want nothing

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<v Speaker 2>to do with them anymore. Their their their relationship with

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<v Speaker 2>their kids, starts to fracture their relationship with society, their work.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't do it anymore because you know too much.

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<v Speaker 2>You are neo taking the red pill and ev everybody

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<v Speaker 2>else around you is blue pilled like a motherfucker, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And we've seen this, We've had to go through it ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>We were looked at as crazy nut jobs for the

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<v Speaker 2>first few years of this conspiracy podcast. My family looked

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<v Speaker 2>at me like I was the black sheep, not that

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<v Speaker 2>I already wasn't in some kind of case before, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was full on black sheep. I was full on heretical,

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<v Speaker 2>damn dear for just questioning the world in which they

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<v Speaker 2>believed existed.

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<v Speaker 3>So, oh, dude, this is Trump got shot in the ear?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? This wasn't even like way back when we

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<v Speaker 3>started this. We had been blowing and going doing the

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<v Speaker 3>cult of conspiracy. See for quite some time. I was

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<v Speaker 3>at a family get together at my mom's house, sitting

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<v Speaker 3>at the table, and somehow Trump getting shot had just

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<v Speaker 3>come up into the conversation. It was like a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of weeks removed from that. I forget what the reason

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<v Speaker 3>for the party was, doesn't matter, And I'm just sitting

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<v Speaker 3>there at the kitchen table, just silent, just mind of

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<v Speaker 3>my business. Because they don't want me to weigh in

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<v Speaker 3>on this. They don't want me to start talking on

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<v Speaker 3>this because my family is so used to me going

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<v Speaker 3>off the rails. Like I said last week, for Mother's Day,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm over here talking to my uncle about what adrenochrome is.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody's over here just trying to have a hot dog. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 3>I get asked a question, what I'm gonna do not

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<v Speaker 3>answer it? So like here we are. So then finally

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just kind of like well, and then everybody kind

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<v Speaker 3>of looks at me, and my brother in law goes,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead, Jacob, what happened with Trump getting shot in

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<v Speaker 3>the ear? And I'm like, all right, sit down, let's

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<v Speaker 3>let's have this conversation. Look, I get it, I get it.

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<v Speaker 3>The world is not ready for a hundred percent of

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<v Speaker 3>the truth one hundred percent of the time, and not

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<v Speaker 3>even truth. A lot of people are not comfortable asking

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<v Speaker 3>very hard questions because they're afraid of either A what

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<v Speaker 3>the answer might be, or B what they've never considered

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<v Speaker 3>the answer could be. A lot of people are scared

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<v Speaker 3>to have that conversation, even with themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lot like like Kevin Gates once said, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to get out of your own city in order

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen, and I believe that's actually I think

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<v Speaker 2>he actually took that from Jesus right, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he had to profit in your hometown.

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<v Speaker 2>He had to get the fuck out of there and start,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, talking to other people and learning other things

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<v Speaker 2>and all that other stuff. Like the whole story of Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>he had to escape his hometown in order to really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like break the coating.

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<v Speaker 3>And your hometown knows who you were when you were

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<v Speaker 3>a kid and an awkward teenager, and they know your

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<v Speaker 3>mom and them, and so whenever you're out here trying

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<v Speaker 3>to do some earth shaking things and not just to

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<v Speaker 3>the realm of Jesus, Kevin Gaes name, your person doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>matter aside from you being from like New York or

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<v Speaker 3>LA or Miami or a city that's so big to

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<v Speaker 3>where you could go like two neighborhoods over and you're

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<v Speaker 3>basically in a whole new city. Aside from that, Yeah, dude,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're trying to change the world, you can't do

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<v Speaker 3>that from your hometown. There's no way.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're going to almost have borderline like paranoid schizophrenic

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<v Speaker 2>ideologies and you're like ideas going throughout your mind at

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<v Speaker 2>the in the beginning, right like because oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't drink this water. Oh my god, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of chemstrail chemptrails outside. Oh my god. Whenever a

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<v Speaker 2>big mac is held into a container for a year,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't decompose, like, oh my god, they're really poising us.

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<v Speaker 2>Then you turn on the TV. You see all the

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<v Speaker 2>mockingbird media. You see that literally local news stations are

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<v Speaker 2>parroting what major news stations are saying word for word,

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<v Speaker 2>gimmick for gimmick, and you're like, what did I just

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<v Speaker 2>wake up into? So it can be fracturing to your reality,

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<v Speaker 2>and not only to your reality, your identity. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know who you are anymore because you've been so

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<v Speaker 2>programmed by the matrix itself itself right that now you're

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<v Speaker 2>questioning even what you are, who you are, what is

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<v Speaker 2>the purpose of all this? And so this is for

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<v Speaker 2>anybody who is very new to conspiracies, this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be your This is going to be your thing

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<v Speaker 2>that you can look at and just know that you're

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<v Speaker 2>not crazy. This shit has been going on, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>up to you on what you do with this information,

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<v Speaker 2>how you apply it to your life, how you apply

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<v Speaker 2>it to your view and your vision of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>so that you can prevent yourself from from getting uh

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<v Speaker 2>sigested these hypnotic suggestions that are all around you all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. And so that's really the purpose behind this show.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna get started, Okay, We're gonna get started.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go deep down the rabbit hole. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna start in the beginning. Now I don't mean the beginning,

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning, the American beginning, because this shit was going

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<v Speaker 2>on over in Nazi Germany for a long time. They

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<v Speaker 2>were practicing on their own people over there, and then

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<v Speaker 2>of course, what was it a project paper clip, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they took a bunch of Nazis brought them over here,

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<v Speaker 2>and of course as soon as the Nazis come over here,

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<v Speaker 2>this is whenever this shit kicks off.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, we're going to get into MK ultra. For

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<v Speaker 2>those that don't know or maybe just need a little reminder, Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Once again, this is all the MK ulture specifically has

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<v Speaker 3>been confirmed by every source, even the CAA operatives that

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<v Speaker 3>were conducting these experiments quote unquote experiments. It's understood historical facts.

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<v Speaker 3>This is undisputed. Every one knows that this is a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that took.

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<v Speaker 2>Place, documented like heavily documented, a lot of it redacted,

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<v Speaker 2>and they held out a lot of stuff. And we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get to what they held out because new

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<v Speaker 2>information just came out back in December of last year

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<v Speaker 2>of new things that have been uncovered via FOYA, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's wild. I didn't know that new shit came out

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<v Speaker 2>on MK Ultra, so it's going to get pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I had heard about it, but I didn't know if

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<v Speaker 3>there was anything actually new, or if it was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like a regurgitation of the stuff that you and

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<v Speaker 3>I have already talked about on the show a few times,

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<v Speaker 3>so I didn't actually dive in. I'm excited, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So before we get there, let's lay the groundwork

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<v Speaker 2>and the foundation. This is an article from all That's

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting dot com, one of my favorite websites.

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<v Speaker 3>Real quick, actually, while we're talking about what we are

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<v Speaker 3>looking at right now, to any of the good cult members,

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<v Speaker 3>first time listeners, new listeners, old listeners that have wanted

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<v Speaker 3>to get this all in the best way possible. If

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<v Speaker 3>you would like to see these articles, see the videos,

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<v Speaker 3>see our faces rather than just hear it through your

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<v Speaker 3>ear holes, Jonathan at this time, tell them where they could.

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<v Speaker 2>Go Patreon dot com, slash Cult of Conspiracy podcast. That

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<v Speaker 2>interdimensional beings, aliens, whatever. I believe that this is how

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<v Speaker 2>two shift, red shift, blue shift. Get a little doctor

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, how we are seeing that and

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<v Speaker 3>You know who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>We appreciate you know the thing because he said, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that I have not been able to sleep

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<v Speaker 2>of or a sleep about just thinking about this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>that this is really what's going on. He said, just

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<v Speaker 3>There we go. All right, Now let's get into the

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<v Speaker 3>historical background that led us to where we are today.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk a little mk Ultra.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was mk ultra the CIA's top secret Cold

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<v Speaker 2>war research program. Okay, so during the nineteen fifties and sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA used brainwashing, hypnosis, and torture on thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>subjects brutalized by the infamous Project mk Ultra experiments. Though

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<v Speaker 2>they may sound like science fiction and though the CIA

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<v Speaker 2>of Project mk Ultra were all too real. For more

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<v Speaker 2>than a decade, at the height of the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 2>CIA researchers abused helpless subjects in some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>disturbing experiments in history. Convinced that the Soviet Union had

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<v Speaker 2>developed mind control capabilities, the CIA tried to do the

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<v Speaker 2>same with the with MK Ultra, starting in nineteen fifty three.

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<v Speaker 2>What followed was an expansive program undertaken eighty undertaken across

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<v Speaker 2>eighty institutions, universities, and hospitals. Each one carried out torturous experiments,

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<v Speaker 2>including electrocution, verbal and sexual abuse, and dosing subjects with

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so whenever people taken, weren't they also the mentally handicap.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh dude, all of them, all of them, Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>literally everybody. I mean, they wanted to test it on kids,

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<v Speaker 2>on adults, on mentally handicapped, on on physically handicapped, like

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<v Speaker 2>it went all over the place, on psychics, on witches,

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<v Speaker 2>on religious people, like they wanted to get all the

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<v Speaker 2>information as as much as they possibly could, Right, so

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<v Speaker 2>it says. What's more, these experiments often used unwitting subjects

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<v Speaker 2>who were left with permanent psychological damage. Shocking unsurprising. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, so whenever I talk about like hypnosis

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<v Speaker 2>and past life regressions and people are like, oh, not

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<v Speaker 2>doingk ultra shit. I'm not torturing you, I'm not sexually

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<v Speaker 2>abusing you, I'm not giving you LSD. I'm putting you

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<v Speaker 2>into a light trance. Okay, not the same shit at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you as somebody who was hypnotized by

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<v Speaker 3>Jonathan and experienced the past life regression, there's nothing traumatic

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<v Speaker 3>about the experience. It is very calm, very organized. You

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<v Speaker 3>are in control the whole time. You can snap out

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<v Speaker 3>of it of your own fruition if you choose at

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<v Speaker 3>any point in time, like it's it's not like this

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<v Speaker 3>at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, I could have given Jacob that suggestion that

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<v Speaker 2>leads him to believe that, and could have tickled his

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<v Speaker 2>ppee behind closed doors that he'll never know. Bud no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all on video, so you can go and look it.

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<v Speaker 2>You blackmail me like fucking p Diddy, you dick. So anyhow, unsurprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>the CIA conducted the project with the utmost secrecy, even

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<v Speaker 2>giving it multiple code names, and when it finally ended

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<v Speaker 2>in the nineteen most of the records pertaining to it

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<v Speaker 2>were destroyed on the orders of the Director of the

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<v Speaker 2>CIA himself. That is all but a small misfiled cash

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<v Speaker 2>accidentally left intact. Eventually, those documents and several government investigations

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<v Speaker 2>helped bring the project to light. Today the public, even

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<v Speaker 2>the public even has access to some twenty thousand documents

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<v Speaker 2>concerning Project mk ultra's mind control experiments.

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<v Speaker 3>So today that's a small cash. Twenty thousand documents is

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<v Speaker 3>a small forgotten about cash. So we honestly have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea how extensive these things really went.

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<v Speaker 2>That just goes to show how much research they had.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty thousand documents is breadcrumbs of what's what was left.

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<v Speaker 3>So to mine Operation snow White that we just talked

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<v Speaker 3>about with the Scientology Church. Years of spy games to

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<v Speaker 3>get all these documents, and it was like thirty three

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<v Speaker 3>thousand documents, years and thousands of spies to get that

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<v Speaker 3>this was one forgotten about small cash twenty two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>Good lord, Yeah, this was a this was something that

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<v Speaker 2>they were borderline obsessed with. So yeah, anyway, it says,

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<v Speaker 2>but even this provides only a small window into what

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<v Speaker 2>programs and cover ups in American history. So here we

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<v Speaker 2>go the birth of Project mk Ultra at the height

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<v Speaker 2>of the Cold War. And as you can see right here,

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<v Speaker 2>here's one of the one of the redacted files. It

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<v Speaker 2>says proposal. It is proposed to continue research on problems

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<v Speaker 2>critical to a clarification of the fundamental aspects of the

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<v Speaker 2>stimulus response relationship in biological systems GEEZ Studies will be

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<v Speaker 2>conducted utilizing chronic animal preparations with permanent septal septal electrodes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to read because it's like printed and it old,

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<v Speaker 2>but it says investigations will be conducted utilizing chronic electrode

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<v Speaker 2>preparation coupled with selected classical types of conditioning. Studies will

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<v Speaker 2>be conducted on the geography of the brain in selected

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<v Speaker 2>species of animals to determine the focus in which stimulations

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<v Speaker 2>will produce a specific reaction. So at first they were

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<v Speaker 2>it says a careful literature survey, especially of the Russian

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<v Speaker 3>So they're basically talking about getting electroshock therapy to warrant

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<v Speaker 3>certain responses based off of what image they were seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is like this is winter soldier shit too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so it's all encompassing, like how can we

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<v Speaker 2>turn regular people into super soldiers? How can we control

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<v Speaker 2>even the rest of the of the puppets minds out there? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to get everybody on board with going

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<v Speaker 2>to war so that you get the funding and the

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<v Speaker 2>tax dollars, and so you're seen as the good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's all encompassing.

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<v Speaker 3>Right here, right right.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's not to say that the Russians were like

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily the good guys either.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I've said before, do there hadn't been a war

419
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<v Speaker 3>where there's been good, true good guys and true bad

420
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<v Speaker 3>guys for quite some time. All the conflicts around the

421
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<v Speaker 3>world right now, y'all, sorry, there's no good guys to.

422
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<v Speaker 2>Be found, right, so it says. As the Cold War

423
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<v Speaker 2>moved into its peak era in the early nineteen fifties,

424
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<v Speaker 2>the American intelligence community grew increasingly obsessed with the growing

425
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<v Speaker 2>technological advancements of the Soviet Union. The US government feared,

426
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<v Speaker 2>in particular that it was already falling behind the Soviet

427
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<v Speaker 2>Union in regard to novel interrogation techniques. Reports during the

428
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<v Speaker 2>Korean War, which later proved erroneous, suggested that North Korean

429
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<v Speaker 2>and Soviet forces had developed mind control capabilities and the

430
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<v Speaker 2>US couldn't let them have that advantage. Thus, on April thirteenth,

431
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<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifty three, then director of the Nascent CIA, Alan

432
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<v Speaker 2>Welsh Dulles, sanctioned project mk Ultra. Oh, Alan Dulles, bro.

433
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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's always this fucking guy.

434
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<v Speaker 3>For any of the newer listeners to the cult conspiracy,

435
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<v Speaker 3>if the name Alan Dulles doesn't ring a bell, do

436
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<v Speaker 3>a quick Google search and just check out the man's

437
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<v Speaker 3>career and where he went and what he was in

438
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<v Speaker 3>charge of in the timeframes that he was in charge.

439
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<v Speaker 3>Kind of like the godfather of all of the quote

440
00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:31.759
<v Speaker 3>unquote dirty deeds of the three letter agencies typically go

441
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<v Speaker 3>back to one of like five guys. Alan Dulles is

442
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<v Speaker 3>one of those five guys.

443
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<v Speaker 2>And those dirty deeds are not done dirt cheap. They're

444
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<v Speaker 2>done on the American tax dollar.

445
00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:44.559
<v Speaker 3>There's a high tax dollar that I might add. You

446
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<v Speaker 3>look at the amount of money that they soaked into

447
00:23:46.839 --> 00:23:49.359
<v Speaker 3>these projects, which I understand that like a lot of

448
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<v Speaker 3>that has been redacted as well, and we don't actually

449
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<v Speaker 3>know all the details. Dude, this is not cheap to

450
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<v Speaker 3>keep subjects in a lab and perform experiments on them

451
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<v Speaker 3>for like twenty years. This is this is not something

452
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<v Speaker 3>that can happen for like, oh, it's like a prisoner.

453
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<v Speaker 3>It only costs fifty cents a day to feed them, bro,

454
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<v Speaker 3>it ain't cost fifty cents a day to feed a

455
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<v Speaker 3>prisoner since like fifty five okay, Like no, it's it's

456
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<v Speaker 3>this is very very expensive experiments that were being done

457
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<v Speaker 3>at this time. And again a Google search will show

458
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<v Speaker 3>you who Alan Dallas was.

459
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<v Speaker 2>But so you if you have ever had any kind

460
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<v Speaker 2>of questions that our government has ever dived into anything

461
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:30.559
<v Speaker 2>psychic or witchcraftian or magically or any of that kind

462
00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.559
<v Speaker 2>of stuff, you think, oh, that's just fiction. That's just fantasy.

463
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<v Speaker 2>And people that believe in that are just absolute nut

464
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<v Speaker 2>jobs because there's no way. Well, let me bring you

465
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<v Speaker 2>this to this sentiment right here. The program was quickly

466
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<v Speaker 2>headed by chemist and poison expert Sidney Gottlieb, who was

467
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<v Speaker 2>known in covert circles as the Black Sorcerer.

468
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<v Speaker 3>Right there, babe, It really a title that gets thrown

469
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<v Speaker 3>around so loosely, right.

470
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<v Speaker 2>Black sorcerer, that's that's black magic, right, So that is

471
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<v Speaker 2>you're you're working with demons, your work with evil spirits,

472
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you're working with poisons, you're working like this is the

473
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<v Speaker 2>essentially the black square on the free Masonic checkerboard, right.

474
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

475
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<v Speaker 2>So one of Gottlieb's original goals was to create a

476
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<v Speaker 2>truth serum that could be used against Soviet spies and

477
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<v Speaker 2>prisoners of war in order to gain intelligence. Unsurprisingly, perhaps

478
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<v Speaker 2>generating generating a truth serum proved difficult. Instead, researchers believe

479
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<v Speaker 2>that a kind of mind control could be achieved by

480
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<v Speaker 2>placing the subject in a heavily altered mental state, typically

481
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<v Speaker 2>with the help of wildly experimental drugs. According to journalist

482
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<v Speaker 2>Stephen Kinzer, Gottlieb realized that in order to control the mind,

483
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<v Speaker 2>he'd he'd have to wipe it first. Second, you have

484
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<v Speaker 2>to find a way to insert a new mind into

485
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<v Speaker 2>that resulting void. Holy ship. Yep, so he goes, we

486
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:57.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't get too far on number two, but he did

487
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<v Speaker 2>do a lot of work on number one as far

488
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<v Speaker 2>as e racing the mind and.

489
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<v Speaker 3>Just everybody knows a truth serum again quick Google search

490
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<v Speaker 3>away sodium foippen all that would be the quote unquote

491
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<v Speaker 3>truth serum that would be discussing on this one. It's

492
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<v Speaker 3>a real thing.

493
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<v Speaker 2>And this guy was a poison expert. And this is

494
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<v Speaker 2>also back in the fifties.

495
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<v Speaker 3>So anyhow, I didn't exactly have all the same restrictions

496
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:21.680
<v Speaker 3>on what we can and cannot give to people at.

497
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<v Speaker 2>This time, right right, So it says in Gottlieb's own words,

498
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<v Speaker 2>project mk Ultra's Mind experiments extensively, research extensively, researched extensively

499
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<v Speaker 2>how drugs could enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture,

500
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and coercion, as well as produce amnesia, shock, and confusion.

501
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.319
<v Speaker 2>This is our government, This is our government now, okay.

502
00:26:48.240 --> 00:26:51.440
<v Speaker 2>A declassified document from nineteen fifty five added that mk

503
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Ultra sought to observe in quotes, materials which will cause

504
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<v Speaker 2>the victim to age faster or slower in maturity, and

505
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 2>substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulses to the

506
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>point where the recipient would be discredited in public dundun conspiracy.

507
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:13.839
<v Speaker 3>Theorist, right, right, absolutely. What was that movie with Robin

508
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Williams where he became the president?

509
00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh I remember that movie?

510
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you remember the woman that was trying

511
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:22.400
<v Speaker 3>to say, like, oh my god, the voting booths, it's

512
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:24.799
<v Speaker 3>there's a glitch in them or something like that. She

513
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 3>was attacked. They injected her with something and she went

514
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:31.000
<v Speaker 3>schizophrenic and had to be hospitalized. And now, no matter

515
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.359
<v Speaker 3>what she says, she was just looked at like she

516
00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:37.640
<v Speaker 3>was a druggie who had a psyschological break. So like,

517
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:39.440
<v Speaker 3>no one's going to listen to anything she has to say,

518
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:40.279
<v Speaker 3>whether it's true or not.

519
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 2>It's literally that literally that yes. And so whenever you're

520
00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>getting mainstream media discrediting alternative histories or alternative theories and

521
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:55.559
<v Speaker 2>calling them conspiracy theorists, that is this is this is

522
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:59.720
<v Speaker 2>really the magic behind it. It's a sigil in a sense, right,

523
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>It's it's if you give somebody a title of a

524
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.279
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorist, you may as well just put a pedophile

525
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:09.599
<v Speaker 2>on their forehead. Nobody wants to talk to you now,

526
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:12.240
<v Speaker 2>right right, like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. I don't

527
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:14.920
<v Speaker 2>want to be involved in that, so I want to

528
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 2>get along. I want to go along, to get along.

529
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.839
<v Speaker 2>I want everybody to see me as normal. So they

530
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 2>put this stigma, this sigil in a sense, really it

531
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like a magical sigil, and they place

532
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 2>it over top of certain people who are out there

533
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.839
<v Speaker 2>blaring the horn talking about like, Yo, this reality isn't

534
00:28:29.880 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 2>what you think it is, this is what the government's doing,

535
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>this is what they've been up to. And all that

536
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:37.680
<v Speaker 2>you need to do is place that magical sigil and say, oh,

537
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.400
<v Speaker 2>he's just a conspiracy theorist, and bang right, everybody is

538
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:44.480
<v Speaker 2>shocked back into their normal, everyday reality.

539
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 3>And for those that think that that just happened in

540
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:48.960
<v Speaker 3>a movie and that's just not real life, like, oh,

541
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, do we forget that. Martin Lawrence, at one

542
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>point in time, was attacked and then ran through the

543
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.039
<v Speaker 3>streets of New York but naked, screaming that they were

544
00:28:57.039 --> 00:28:59.319
<v Speaker 3>trying to kill him. And then he was putting the

545
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:01.400
<v Speaker 3>looney bin and oh, well, you know he suffered a

546
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 3>psychotic break. Oh, Dave Chappelle, right, they were trying to

547
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 3>kill him. His words, not mine. So he took off

548
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:11.440
<v Speaker 3>to Africa and walked away from fifty million dollars. So again,

549
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 3>this is not just something of the hair brain. Oh

550
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.400
<v Speaker 3>that's not real. No, no, this is something that happens

551
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 3>still to this day.

552
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.279
<v Speaker 2>So everybody that is out there getting but hurt about

553
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>what Kanye is saying about the Nazis and shit like that,

554
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 2>just know he absolutely went through an mk ultra type

555
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 2>of program. At first, they were talking about giving him

556
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:32.839
<v Speaker 2>all these drugs to calm his mind down and basically

557
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.359
<v Speaker 2>dull him out a little bit, right, And so whenever.

558
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.880
<v Speaker 3>He's said with Michael Jackson, right, actually came out they

559
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 3>don't care about us. Next thing, you know, he strung

560
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.599
<v Speaker 3>out on some concoction that ended up killing him.

561
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>Really, so you think these people are crazy or what

562
00:29:47.119 --> 00:29:49.799
<v Speaker 2>led them to this? You know, that's what you got it.

563
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 2>Instead of judging a book by its cover, try and

564
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.839
<v Speaker 2>dive into the book itself and understand where it began.

565
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Because Kanye wasn't crazy in the beginning, he might have

566
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>been a little special. I'd have been a little bit

567
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.119
<v Speaker 2>out there, but they did their best to try to

568
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:06.359
<v Speaker 2>hone in on, you know, the things that he was

569
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.319
<v Speaker 2>good at, is as far as producing music and writing

570
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 2>lyrics and promoting brands and stuff like that. They wanted

571
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 2>to squeeze him for everything that he was worth, as

572
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.400
<v Speaker 2>far as money goes, as far as content goes, as

573
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 2>far as manipulation through music and frequencies and words and

574
00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:25.519
<v Speaker 2>all that other shit to promote this kind of human

575
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.640
<v Speaker 2>nature that kind of goes against human nature whenever you're

576
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.519
<v Speaker 2>talking about including guns and drugs and hoes and like,

577
00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>that's not what it means to be a human. But

578
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:38.400
<v Speaker 2>that's what they were trying to essentially hypnotize the public

579
00:30:38.440 --> 00:30:39.279
<v Speaker 2>into thinking.

580
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<v Speaker 3>Look, anybody that's had any dealings with the Kardashians that

581
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 3>is now on the outs with them, are all every

582
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 3>one of them is saying that they are a coven

583
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 3>of witches. That's not just like a thing that people

584
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:54.559
<v Speaker 3>say because they're jaded xes y'all. If every single person

585
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>that's ever had dealings with that family is all saying

586
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:00.720
<v Speaker 3>the exact same thing, it sounds like to me being

587
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:06.079
<v Speaker 3>me here. We need to be listening, Yeah, a little bit.

588
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.480
<v Speaker 3>The truth is real and I mean that that's that

589
00:31:08.640 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Speaker 3>is what.

590
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:12.039
<v Speaker 2>It is to try and get my Kim Kardashians speech on.

591
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:14.480
<v Speaker 2>My god, I cannot stand that. And you know what's

592
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.640
<v Speaker 2>crazy is you want to talk about MK ultra before

593
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:21.119
<v Speaker 2>there's before the Kardashians came on the scene, as far

594
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.039
<v Speaker 2>as like the blue pilled women out there go. And

595
00:31:24.119 --> 00:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>then there's the blue pilled women out there that watch

596
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 2>the Kardashians and they all talk and act like them.

597
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 2>They want to look like them, they want to be them,

598
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>right Like it's disgusting, and so you know, uh, it's

599
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 2>don't don't don't fall victim to that, like, because you're

600
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:44.039
<v Speaker 2>like everybody out there that is falling victim to whatever

601
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.519
<v Speaker 2>the media is trying to portray, and you're trying to

602
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 2>find yourself. I get it. We're all we're all out

603
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.400
<v Speaker 2>here trying to figure out what this reality is and

604
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:52.160
<v Speaker 2>who we are and all that kind of shit. You're

605
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 2>more than that, So don't don't just settle for you know,

606
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 2>whatever society deems normal and sexy like that. It's not

607
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:01.160
<v Speaker 2>sexy at all.

608
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.519
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry. A vapid, shallow woman that only is consumed

609
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.839
<v Speaker 3>with herself is the most unattractive thing to me. I'm sorry,

610
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I like that. What good is that to anybody?

611
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like, you got to have a little bit of

612
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.160
<v Speaker 2>depth to you. If you're just surfaced, Like, get the

613
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 2>fuck out of here. I want nothing to do with you.

614
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 3>Agreed. Yeah, please sell all the women out there watching

615
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.000
<v Speaker 3>the Keeping Up with the Kardashians, listen, You're better than that.

616
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:27.279
<v Speaker 3>I promise you. You are better than that. Watch something else,

617
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 3>Please don't. Because your brain is a computer, Okay, as

618
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:32.359
<v Speaker 3>we are going to learn more about with this mk

619
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.680
<v Speaker 3>Ultra article on everything else that we are going to

620
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 3>watch here, your brain is the most intricate computer that

621
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 3>has ever been produced ever, and what you put into

622
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:44.599
<v Speaker 3>it will eventually come out of it. Okay, be careful

623
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:46.599
<v Speaker 3>what you put in. That's all we're saying here.

624
00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not that crazy. Whenever you look into

625
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 2>television and it literally spells out tell a vision. You

626
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:59.519
<v Speaker 2>got the channels you're channeling, right, you got every single show?

627
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.480
<v Speaker 2>What does that? Oh? A program? Right? Like? And so

628
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.039
<v Speaker 2>it's literally all over the place. It's telling you what

629
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<v Speaker 2>it's doing. It's programming you. It's channeling information, it is

630
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<v Speaker 2>telling you a vision. This is sorcery, So don't fall

631
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 2>victim to that, Like you're more than that. This is

632
00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>modern day bread and circus.

633
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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. And also on that same vibe, don't let

634
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<v Speaker 3>your kids watch Coco Melan or kayu, let's be good

635
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 3>parents about it. Just throwing that out, don't do it.

636
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my son whenever he was going to daycare. He's

637
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.680
<v Speaker 2>not in daycare anymore, but whenever he was going to daycare,

638
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.559
<v Speaker 2>he started coming home and he started saying, So he's

639
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 2>got the little Portuguese little swagger to him. He's a

640
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 2>little bilingual baby, and so he says things and so

641
00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 2>like you know, kind of mixing like spanglish kind of thing,

642
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and so he'll start He came home from daycare one

643
00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 2>day and he started just singing, Cocomegan Coco mean, and

644
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 2>we're like, we have never watched that in this house.

645
00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:56.720
<v Speaker 2>Why are you saying that? And come to find out,

646
00:33:57.000 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>there was a little bit of Coco Melician Mela Coco

647
00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>melan shit that was going on over the daycare. That

648
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the reason why we pulled him out, but that

649
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:09.159
<v Speaker 2>was definitely a contributing factor on bro Absolutely not. So

650
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 2>let's get back to it all right. So, with these

651
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 2>goals in mind Project mk Ultra, scientists began devising mind

652
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:21.559
<v Speaker 2>altering experiment experiments with insidious goals and disastrous results. So

653
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:26.039
<v Speaker 2>how did mk Ultra's mind control experiments work. That's your boy,

654
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Sidney Gottlieb, the uh, the Black sorce Sorcerer. Yeah, yeah, buddy,

655
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:32.920
<v Speaker 2>just looks like a regular guy.

656
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 3>He looks like somebody's rich uncle, you know what I mean.

657
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:38.280
<v Speaker 3>He looked not like a full He don't look like

658
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.679
<v Speaker 3>a popol in this picture. I mean he looks like

659
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 3>just some guy who works in an office somewhere, you know,

660
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.360
<v Speaker 3>just a well to do gentleman. You wouldn't look at

661
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.920
<v Speaker 3>him and immediately think, oh god, he is the Black

662
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Sorcerer of the United States Government. But boy, ol, boy,

663
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 3>can looks be deceiving?

664
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 2>They walk among you and you wouldn't notice them.

665
00:34:55.679 --> 00:35:00.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Not every witch looks like Uma Abadeine or Lady Gaga, right,

666
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 3>Not every dark sorcerer looks like a vampire that hasn't

667
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.079
<v Speaker 3>seen the sun in eight years. Like, No, they absolutely

668
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 3>could be your neighbor.

669
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>The wizards have stepped up their game and they've mixed

670
00:35:10.920 --> 00:35:13.679
<v Speaker 2>into the public eye without even being noticed. And to

671
00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 2>be honest, that's some invisible cloak type of shit, which

672
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's what your boy the uh Harry Potter, No,

673
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:26.679
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking of the wizard guy that we've talked to,

674
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:29.159
<v Speaker 2>the Satanic wizard. He would say that he would put

675
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>on like he would do like this magical spell and

676
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.880
<v Speaker 2>so that he would put on like this invisible cloak

677
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:35.519
<v Speaker 2>kind of thing, and that way whenever he went on

678
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.639
<v Speaker 2>to parties and out in the public, he wouldn't get noticed.

679
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>And so that's some real that's some real shit. It's

680
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.599
<v Speaker 2>not in the same way of like Harry Potter putting

681
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 2>on an invisible cloak and you're invisible. It's more so

682
00:35:46.199 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>with the mind that you're basically doing some kind of

683
00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 2>magical spell or some kind of shit like that to

684
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 2>where people may see you but they don't notice you.

685
00:35:55.760 --> 00:35:57.199
<v Speaker 2>It's a difference, right, bro.

686
00:35:57.360 --> 00:35:59.559
<v Speaker 3>That is still one of our most listened to episodes

687
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:02.079
<v Speaker 3>of Alts, and I've been seeing him more and more.

688
00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:05.199
<v Speaker 3>He's making his rounds onto certain YouTube spaces now like

689
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.199
<v Speaker 3>the man's story is getting some traction behind it and

690
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:09.239
<v Speaker 3>people are listening.

691
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting fellow, without a doubt. So anyhow, let's get

692
00:36:13.800 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 2>back to it. So from the beginning, mk ultra's mind

693
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 2>control experiments were conducted with great secrecy, in part because

694
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.159
<v Speaker 2>the CIA was well aware of the dubious ethics involved.

695
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 2>For secrecy state sake, The program's one hundred and sixty

696
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 2>two experiments were spread out across multiple cities, college campuses, prisons,

697
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:36.199
<v Speaker 2>and hospitals. In total, one hundred and eighty five researchers

698
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 2>were involved, and many of them didn't even know that

699
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.159
<v Speaker 2>their work was meant for the CIA. In all of

700
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the dozens of settings, the primary experimental method often involved

701
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 2>administering large quantities of various mind altering substances in hopes

702
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:51.880
<v Speaker 2>of wiping the human mind in the way that Gottlieb

703
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:56.719
<v Speaker 2>wanted to. Subjects were dosed with LSD, opioids, THHC, and

704
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:01.079
<v Speaker 2>synthetic government created super hallucinogen b Z. I need to

705
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:04.039
<v Speaker 2>look into that super hallucinogen. We talking about something stronger

706
00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 2>than DMT.

707
00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:09.239
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna look this up. Super hallucinogen b Z keep going.

708
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Z, as well as widely available substances such as alcohol.

709
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Researchers would also sometimes administer two drugs with opposite effects,

710
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>such as barbiture barbitur rate and it's oh, I've never

711
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>seen it spelled that way though, and an amphetamine, so

712
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.400
<v Speaker 2>an upper and a downer right simultaneously. So they would

713
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:35.239
<v Speaker 2>administer these these two drugs simultaneously and observe their subjects reactions,

714
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.920
<v Speaker 2>or give subjects already under the influence of alcohol a

715
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>dose of another drug like LSD. Anybody that has ever

716
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.719
<v Speaker 2>been cross faded? It sucks ass, all right, So what does.

717
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 3>This b Z now? Okay? So the technical term for

718
00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 3>the scientific name for it is three quinn slid quin

719
00:37:54.280 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 3>slidinal benzolate okay. Qn B is another term for it

720
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:06.559
<v Speaker 3>is an odorless and bitterless tasting military incapacitating agent. BZ

721
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:13.679
<v Speaker 3>is an antagonist of the uh muscurinic acetetylin receptors. Okay,

722
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.639
<v Speaker 3>So it basically fucks up your brain, it says, I

723
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 3>gotta right here. What does BZ do to you? BZ

724
00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 3>is absorbed through the lungs and rapidly crosses the blood

725
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:25.000
<v Speaker 3>brain barrier. Individuals exposed to high dose develop confusion and

726
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 3>hallucinations and become delirious. While sufficiently lucid they may report

727
00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 3>a dry mouth and blurred vision from loss of accommodation.

728
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.440
<v Speaker 3>So basically, it is a military grade incapacitating hallucinogen that

729
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 3>was developed completely in a lab by our government.

730
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Fuck that. Yeah, see you're you're gonna see demons in there.

731
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're gonna see something. You're gonna because DMT is

732
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.760
<v Speaker 3>a natural chemical, right, your brain produces it itself. Every

733
00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:57.400
<v Speaker 3>time you dream, you are essentially experiencing a DMT trip

734
00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.840
<v Speaker 3>in a sense, right, not even in.

735
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>A sense that's actually what's going on.

736
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:03.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't want to use the term a trip,

737
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 3>but I guess per per the definition.

738
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 2>I meaning you're experiencing non reality. Yeah, that's a good point.

739
00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 3>It would be a DMT trip, a more controlled version

740
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.719
<v Speaker 3>of it, which is again something your brain does naturally.

741
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 3>No problems here. It has the receptors to do it.

742
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.880
<v Speaker 3>It produces the chemical match all the stuff BZ is

743
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:28.920
<v Speaker 3>not that BZ is basically from from what I just read,

744
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 3>it's way more potent than DMT. It hits you way

745
00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:36.039
<v Speaker 3>harder and way faster. And it's not just a hallucinogen.

746
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:42.880
<v Speaker 3>It's an incapacitating hallucinogen. It was made for military grade usage, Like,

747
00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.679
<v Speaker 3>oh my god.

748
00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:52.639
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, they were using that along with LSD THC, alcohol, amphetamines, barbituates.

749
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Literally everything that they were giving college students in hospital

750
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:00.599
<v Speaker 2>patients and shit like that are spread across you know,

751
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.159
<v Speaker 2>all the cities right of America, and uh, you know

752
00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:06.320
<v Speaker 2>what's really fucked up is the fact that they got

753
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 2>into the college campuses because you see that, like even today,

754
00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.039
<v Speaker 2>it still lingers, right, Like all of these people that

755
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 2>are on college campuses, they're fucking brainwashed, bro, Like they

756
00:40:17.239 --> 00:40:20.199
<v Speaker 2>can't tell their head from their ass, and it's crazy,

757
00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Like not everybody, I mean, I'm not trying to group

758
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:25.960
<v Speaker 2>everybody into the same thing. There's a lot of very smart,

759
00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>like red pilled people who are in college, I'm not

760
00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 2>saying that, but there's a lot of really fucking dumb

761
00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>people who fall victim to propaganda and they believe it.

762
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.960
<v Speaker 3>I have met so many college educated idiots, it's astounding,

763
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:41.039
<v Speaker 3>fucking astounding.

764
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, aside from drugs, researchers also use hypnosis, often

765
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 2>in an effort to create fear in subjects that could

766
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:54.280
<v Speaker 2>then be exploited to gain information. Fear induced hypnosis.

767
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Fuck, fear induced hypnosis. You remember your DMT trip where

768
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:00.719
<v Speaker 3>it was like the most amazing thing you'd ever experienced

769
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 3>in your life, and then you remember the one where

770
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.079
<v Speaker 3>I am judging by your description of it, I think

771
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:07.920
<v Speaker 3>you might have actually peered into real hell, not the

772
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:10.760
<v Speaker 3>Dante's Inferno type, the type that is described in the Bible.

773
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:11.199
<v Speaker 2>The void.

774
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so could you imagine being forced there over and

775
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 3>over again by a government officials that's got you tied

776
00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 3>down to a table. Not to mention, they're using electro

777
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 3>shock therapy all the while right to gain certain responses

778
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.559
<v Speaker 3>out of you, and you can't leave. They are not

779
00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 3>letting you leave. They erased all memory of you, They

780
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.960
<v Speaker 3>have erased all of your documentation. As far as anyone

781
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 3>is concerned, you're not even a person that exists anymore.

782
00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:38.559
<v Speaker 2>Bro, Kill me, kill me when that happens. Like I

783
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.719
<v Speaker 2>couldn't handle three minutes of the void. Like you want

784
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 2>to talk about these people possibly being put under hypnosis

785
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:49.920
<v Speaker 2>for days and weeks. Fuck that. I would much rather

786
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 2>you just saw my fucking head off.

787
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.360
<v Speaker 3>I think the According to the official documentation that we

788
00:41:55.440 --> 00:42:00.119
<v Speaker 3>have on in Kotra, the longest continual experiment was eighteen months.

789
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:05.360
<v Speaker 3>Every day crime without a break no days off for

790
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.639
<v Speaker 3>eighteen months, a year and a half of going back,

791
00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 3>forced back to the void.

792
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 2>I will ram my head onto a spike before I

793
00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:15.119
<v Speaker 2>let it go to day two.

794
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 3>And I mean again, that's just what we have found.

795
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 3>It's very possible that they had somebody there for decades

796
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 3>like we Again, we only have from the small cash

797
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.840
<v Speaker 3>of papers that wasn't destroyed, and that's the longest one

798
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.320
<v Speaker 3>on that record. That is not the entirety of what

799
00:42:29.360 --> 00:42:29.760
<v Speaker 3>they did.

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00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 2>So researchers went on to investigate the effects of hypnosis

801
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:37.079
<v Speaker 2>on the results of polygraph tests and its implications for

802
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 2>memory loss. This is your boy, Donald E. Cameron, who

803
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:45.079
<v Speaker 2>had been present at the Nuremberg Trials as a psychiatric

804
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:49.119
<v Speaker 2>evaluator for leading Nazi Rudolph Hess was one of the

805
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.880
<v Speaker 2>lead researchers in mind control experiments in mk ULTRA.

806
00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:56.119
<v Speaker 3>So this is how these shitheads that are very key

807
00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 3>players in very key moments in time just keep on

808
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 3>doing shit things no matter where they go. It's insane.

809
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Don't matter you're in Germany, you're in the United States. Whatever, baby,

810
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna try and push the human mind to its

811
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 2>absolute limits. Sonyhow mk ultra participants were also subjected to

812
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:21.920
<v Speaker 2>experimentation involving electro electro convulsive therapy, oral stimulation, and paralytic drugs. Meanwhile,

813
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 2>experimental Donald experimenter Donald Cameron, who we just talked about

814
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>up there, the first chairman of the World Psychiatric Association

815
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and the president of the American and Canadian Psychiatric Associations.

816
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 2>This guy was the president.

817
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:37.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we brought.

818
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Him from We brought him from fucking Nazi Germany, working

819
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>directly under Rudolph Hess. Okay, and they say that actually

820
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Rudolph Hess was really the one in charge.

821
00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:48.079
<v Speaker 3>You know.

822
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.679
<v Speaker 2>He was basically like Hitler's right hand man whenever it

823
00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.960
<v Speaker 2>came to a lot of the mind control shit. Yeah,

824
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 2>we robbed that guy over and we started utilizing him

825
00:43:58.880 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and he becomes to life.

826
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's the president of the Psychiatric Association for most

827
00:44:04.599 --> 00:44:07.519
<v Speaker 3>of the North American continent. We didn't just use him

828
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.239
<v Speaker 3>as a doctor. We use him as like the source.

829
00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:14.840
<v Speaker 2>Dude, what the fuck is They.

830
00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:20.960
<v Speaker 3>Just said, a mixture of besy, electroshock therapy and paralytic drugs.

831
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:23.880
<v Speaker 3>So you're gonna paralyze them to where they can't move.

832
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 3>You're gonna hook up electrodes to their brain and shock

833
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.360
<v Speaker 3>them to get certain responses, and you're gonna force them

834
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.880
<v Speaker 3>into a such a far degree of hypnosis and drug

835
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.719
<v Speaker 3>induced psychosis, the kind of which I don't think we

836
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.599
<v Speaker 3>actually can perceive with our own minds, Like the level

837
00:44:40.639 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 3>of hallucinogen that they gave these people, and this guy

838
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 3>was doing it.

839
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.360
<v Speaker 2>This is as tortured as you can possibly be.

840
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, you think about it.

841
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Whenever you go to jail and you get sent away,

842
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:56.679
<v Speaker 2>and you gotta you know, what does it call Whenever

843
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:58.480
<v Speaker 2>they have to go and spend a lot of time

844
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.639
<v Speaker 2>by themselves, they get separated solitary confinement. You go into

845
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 2>solitary confinement. That is the worst punishment you can receive

846
00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:08.599
<v Speaker 2>in prison, is solitary confinement and you're just in there

847
00:45:08.639 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 2>by yourself, because the mind will run rampant if it's

848
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.679
<v Speaker 2>not communicating with other people, you know, keeping you grounded

849
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 2>in this reality. You need other people to keep you grounded.

850
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 2>That's why I have Jacob. If I didn't have Jacob,

851
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I just float off into the fucking atmosphere, right, And

852
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:26.800
<v Speaker 2>so you need people like that. And so this is

853
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 2>something that they were doing and they were like pushing

854
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.280
<v Speaker 2>it to the absolute limits. So here we go.

855
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.960
<v Speaker 3>So then they said earlier they also were using sexual

856
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:36.760
<v Speaker 3>things against these people. So not only are they doing

857
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.400
<v Speaker 3>all this to them, they're raping them in this state.

858
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Walt Disney, what to do?

859
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.599
<v Speaker 3>Oh, we're going there, I promise you. Let's keep going.

860
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, he drugged patients and repeatedly played tapes of

861
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>noises or suggestions while they were comatosed for long periods

862
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>of time, hoping to correct schizophrenia by erasing memories in

863
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 2>order to reprogram the subject's mind. In reality, these tests

864
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 2>left the subjects comatose for months at a time and

865
00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>permanently suffering from incontinence and amnesia. Fuck, man, this is

866
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 2>hell on earth, that's exactly. They brought hell to this reality.

867
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:17.880
<v Speaker 3>And like I'm trying to think of, even if for

868
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.760
<v Speaker 3>the blue pillar out there was listening to this and

869
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.760
<v Speaker 3>this thinking this is not real life, even though again

870
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 3>all this is documented, verified, certified, fucking circumcised, while we

871
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:28.440
<v Speaker 3>added this shit is real as fuck. There's no way

872
00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:32.519
<v Speaker 3>around this. What we are talking about absolutely took place. Facts. Okay,

873
00:46:32.960 --> 00:46:34.840
<v Speaker 3>that being said, even for the blue pillar out there

874
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 3>that's listening right now, it's like, well he was trying

875
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 3>to cure the schizophrenia. Right, it was like, at least

876
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 3>done for trying to do good things. You left your

877
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:48.960
<v Speaker 3>patient in a drug in electrotherapy induced coma for months

878
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.559
<v Speaker 3>that they were never able to recover from. And you

879
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 3>didn't just do it to one person, You did it

880
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 3>to thousands.

881
00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, permanently suffering. I'm sorry, leave me to be a

882
00:46:57.599 --> 00:46:59.880
<v Speaker 2>schizophrenic before you put me through this bullshit.

883
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:01.599
<v Speaker 3>Good god, dude.

884
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:04.559
<v Speaker 2>So John C. Lilly, which he gets brought up a lot.

885
00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:09.119
<v Speaker 2>John Lilly, a noted animal behaviorist, was also involved in

886
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 2>the experiments. For his research in human communication with dolphins,

887
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.800
<v Speaker 2>he created the first sensory deprivation flotation tank mk Ultra.

888
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Scientists commissioned the tank to create a sensory free environment

889
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>for their subjects to experience their acid trips without the

890
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:24.960
<v Speaker 2>stimuli of the outside world.

891
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:28.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah with the Yeah, here we go.

892
00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.119
<v Speaker 2>So, with such an arsenal of tools at their disposal,

893
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 2>the project mk Ultra mind control experiments succeeded in severely

894
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 2>disrupting the human mind, but at a great cost to

895
00:47:39.679 --> 00:47:43.960
<v Speaker 2>its unwitting subjects. So who were the subjects of these

896
00:47:44.039 --> 00:47:48.519
<v Speaker 2>ghastly experiments? Due to the classified nature of the program.

897
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Many of the test subjects were unaware of their involvement,

898
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>and Gottlieb admitted that his team targeted in quotes, people

899
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.119
<v Speaker 2>who could not fight back. These included drug addicted prisoners,

900
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 2>marginalized sex workers, and both mental and terminal cancer patients

901
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.360
<v Speaker 2>mental patience. This turns my stomach here in this.

902
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:12.119
<v Speaker 3>The marginalized people that could not fight back. So you

903
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 3>chose the weakest candidate that you could to just basically

904
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.920
<v Speaker 3>hit blender, like hit Frappe on a blender on the

905
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:22.679
<v Speaker 3>brain of these people, and then gave them no care

906
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 3>afterwards because they were disposable, because who's gonna miss them?

907
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:31.360
<v Speaker 2>You know what fits every single one of these checkpoints

908
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:36.320
<v Speaker 2>kids yep. To say that they were not doing this

909
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.360
<v Speaker 2>with kids, keep in mind there was twenty thousand pages

910
00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 2>still left over where we're pulling this information from. That

911
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.840
<v Speaker 2>is nothing but a tiny cunt hair worth of information

912
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 2>that they actually did. Okay, So of course they're not

913
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 2>going to say that they were working on kids, but

914
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.159
<v Speaker 2>it is obvious they wanted people who could not fight

915
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 2>back children. That's children.

916
00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

917
00:48:58.840 --> 00:49:01.880
<v Speaker 2>So and then you hear about Disney and and all

918
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.280
<v Speaker 2>that same thing. He was involved with all of that.

919
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 2>So here we go. So some of the some of

920
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:12.280
<v Speaker 2>the subjects of mk Ultra were volunteers or paid students.

921
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Others were addicts who were bribed with the promise of

922
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 2>more drugs if they participated. Though, though many of the

923
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:22.159
<v Speaker 2>MK Ultra's records were destroyed, there are a few notable

924
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:26.920
<v Speaker 2>documented subjects, including Ken Kessey, author of The One Who

925
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, Robert Hunter, a lyricist for

926
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>The Grateful Dead, and James Whitey Bulger, a notorious Boston

927
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:36.760
<v Speaker 2>mob boss.

928
00:49:37.400 --> 00:49:42.039
<v Speaker 3>Yep, and again those things talked about for years and years.

929
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Everybody said, oh, you know Whitey Bulger was in with

930
00:49:43.920 --> 00:49:46.880
<v Speaker 3>that MK ultra shit. No he wasn't documented.

931
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes he was rude the dude from.

932
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 3>The Grateful Dead, all the dead Heads and all the

933
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.000
<v Speaker 3>hallucinogenic and psychedelic type of music and the vibes and

934
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 3>the artwork and all that comes from MK Ultra. There's

935
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 3>no two ways about this. This is certified factual information.

936
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, buddy, So it goes deep, dude, it goes super deep.

937
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>So some participants were voluntarily vocal about their involvement. Kessie,

938
00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:13.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, if it's Kessi or Kesey, it looks

939
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.880
<v Speaker 2>like Kessie anyway. Kessi, for example, was an early volunteer

940
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:19.159
<v Speaker 2>and joined the project while he was a student at

941
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:23.440
<v Speaker 2>Stanford University to be observed while taking LSD and other

942
00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:26.039
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic drugs. So the guy that wrote the one who

943
00:50:26.039 --> 00:50:28.920
<v Speaker 2>flew over the Kucka's Nest, he like, he was like, yeah,

944
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I'll try it out.

945
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 3>But essentially that was like the g Rate experiment. They

946
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:35.400
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to hook up some diodes and let him

947
00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:37.400
<v Speaker 3>take LSD and see what his brain was doing under

948
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:38.400
<v Speaker 3>the influence of a drug.

949
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're not tortured.

950
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't believe it was tortured.

951
00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>No, No, they just yeah, he got the you said

952
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:44.679
<v Speaker 2>it perfectly, the PG version.

953
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, especially if he's a volunteer and they

954
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:49.199
<v Speaker 3>know that he's going to be released from the program

955
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:51.440
<v Speaker 3>one day, they're only going to give him what, you know,

956
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 3>the very beginnings of it. For the prostitute who is

957
00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:58.400
<v Speaker 3>already like is not going to be, like I said,

958
00:50:58.440 --> 00:51:01.119
<v Speaker 3>a marginalized person that can't fight. Oh, they're not just

959
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 3>gonna test their brain. They're gonna do some real experimenting

960
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:04.280
<v Speaker 3>on it.

961
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, dude. And so whenever you see or

962
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.480
<v Speaker 2>hear about people that go missing into like national forests,

963
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.440
<v Speaker 2>or you hear about people that uh oh, what was

964
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the there's like other ones.

965
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 3>Kids in cages? Well not I forgot about when Obama

966
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 3>put those kids in cages. What happened to those kids?

967
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Did they go home? Did they get adopted? They're not

968
00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 3>in the cages anymore. What happened to them? Well, they

969
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.800
<v Speaker 3>didn't go anywhere. Good, let's just leave it at that.

970
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 2>You want to hear a fun, fucked up fact. So

971
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>do you know that back in the day, whenever they

972
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:38.559
<v Speaker 2>would put like missing kids on the back of milk cartons, right,

973
00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:42.280
<v Speaker 2>not ever was there a single kid found?

974
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:43.360
<v Speaker 3>Not one.

975
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:48.119
<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of creepy, like, why would you continue

976
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.000
<v Speaker 2>to keep on putting kids on the back of milk

977
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:52.840
<v Speaker 2>cartons and you don't find one? That's not even making

978
00:51:52.880 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 2>a fucking effort at that point. So now that leads

979
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 2>everybody to believe, well, whenever you go to the store

980
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 2>you get a milk carton, oh my god, this this

981
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 2>kid was taken with. I couldn't imagine if that was me. Right. Meanwhile,

982
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 2>those poor kids are probably subject to these kind of programs.

983
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.280
<v Speaker 3>And then you look at the milk industry itself. We

984
00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.880
<v Speaker 3>did a whole episode about the underground cheese caves that

985
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:15.599
<v Speaker 3>we have in America. Again, not a conspiracy, understood fact.

986
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:20.079
<v Speaker 3>Anybody wants to look at DMI Dairy Management Institute and

987
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.800
<v Speaker 3>how they supplement the dairy farmers in America and why

988
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:25.039
<v Speaker 3>on earth would they be putting these kids' faces on

989
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.079
<v Speaker 3>milk cartons. There's no government conspiracy there until you find

990
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.639
<v Speaker 3>that the entire dairy industry is one giant government conspiracy.

991
00:52:31.639 --> 00:52:35.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, oh shit, yeah, y'all, y'all, there's so

992
00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.039
<v Speaker 3>many levels to this and it goes so deep. Once again,

993
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:39.960
<v Speaker 3>it's basically all a conspiracy.

994
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.239
<v Speaker 2>And about how about we're all addicted to the dairy

995
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:46.320
<v Speaker 2>industry where whether it be milk or cheese or whatever,

996
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Speaker 2>it is right, Like, I dude, I can't go without cheese,

997
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Like it's impossible. I need cheese on almost everything that

998
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 2>I eat. And there is nothing more delicious and satisfying

999
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 2>than whenever you're just going uzzle in a cup of

1000
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 2>fucking whole milk, bro like that is that is home

1001
00:53:03.599 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 2>to me? Right? Meanwhile, why it's fucking your entire like

1002
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 2>gut biome and bacteria. It's not good for you. They say, oh, well,

1003
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:12.800
<v Speaker 2>it's really good for kylcium and building your bones and

1004
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.719
<v Speaker 2>making them more healthier. It's like, that's actually not even

1005
00:53:17.800 --> 00:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>been proven.

1006
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:21.599
<v Speaker 3>Now, dude, But here's what has been proven. The dairy

1007
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.920
<v Speaker 3>that we drink in America. I can't speak on behalf

1008
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 3>of Europe. I can't speak on behalf of Amish true

1009
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:28.519
<v Speaker 3>raw unpasteurized milk. I can't speak on that.

1010
00:53:28.639 --> 00:53:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not talking about the We're not talking about

1011
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.000
<v Speaker 2>the unpasteurized. We're talking about the shit that you're getting

1012
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:35.760
<v Speaker 2>from grocery stores. That pasteurized bullshit that they take out

1013
00:53:35.760 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 2>all the nutrients.

1014
00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:40.239
<v Speaker 3>From exactly the enzyme that is released whenever you drink

1015
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 3>that hits the same receptors as the opioid receptors in

1016
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:45.239
<v Speaker 3>your brain. Let that one sink in as long as

1017
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:49.639
<v Speaker 3>you need damn Yeah yeah, wow, it's all.

1018
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:51.280
<v Speaker 2>We literally are addicted.

1019
00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 3>That is literally addicted, Like we couldn't stop if we

1020
00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:54.880
<v Speaker 3>wanted to.

1021
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Wooo, no wonder. Pizza is my favorite food.

1022
00:53:59.360 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 3>I mean, pizza burritos is literally what makes the world

1023
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 3>go round. I'm with you one hundred percent.

1024
00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:06.360
<v Speaker 2>Big facts give me a New York slaves all day baby.

1025
00:54:07.480 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, talking about your boy Ken Kessey. So his

1026
00:54:12.199 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 2>experience was, according to him, a positive one, and he

1027
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>went on to publicly publicly promote the drug talking about LSD.

1028
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:22.360
<v Speaker 2>The one that flew over the Cuckoo's Nest was also

1029
00:54:22.559 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 2>in part inspired by his experiences. But unlike Casey or Kessey, however,

1030
00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:33.400
<v Speaker 2>some participants did not have such positive experiences. He was just,

1031
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:37.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the silver lining to the whole thing, right.

1032
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 3>He was the face if it ever came to light

1033
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:41.719
<v Speaker 3>of what they were doing, they could point to him

1034
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:44.039
<v Speaker 3>and be like, look, he volunteered for this, and he

1035
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:47.199
<v Speaker 3>had a successful Hollywood career and he had great experiences

1036
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:49.760
<v Speaker 3>from it. I don't know what all these crazy quote

1037
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:52.840
<v Speaker 3>unquote whistleblowers are saying. This guy had a great time.

1038
00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:55.719
<v Speaker 3>You know, it was done to discredit.

1039
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:57.880
<v Speaker 2>And then you have characters like Charles Manson. But we'll

1040
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:02.400
<v Speaker 2>get to that. So the horrors experience by the participants.

1041
00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:06.599
<v Speaker 2>Untold numbers of MK ultra subjects were subjected to chilling

1042
00:55:06.599 --> 00:55:09.800
<v Speaker 2>abuses in the name of science, and one experiment, an

1043
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.920
<v Speaker 2>unwinning mental patient in Kentucky was given a dose of

1044
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:19.440
<v Speaker 2>LSD every day for one hundred and seventy four consecutive days. Yeah,

1045
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:20.480
<v Speaker 2>that's half a year.

1046
00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:24.280
<v Speaker 3>So literally six months straight every day being forced to

1047
00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 3>ingest LSD. This is a mental patient who gets what

1048
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 3>everybody they can't give consent. That's impossible for somebody who

1049
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:36.199
<v Speaker 3>has a mental deficiency of some type to say yes,

1050
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:39.280
<v Speaker 3>I agree to this experiment being done to me. This

1051
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.199
<v Speaker 3>is this is so much deeper than just rape, Like,

1052
00:55:42.239 --> 00:55:46.559
<v Speaker 3>this is so so fucked up against this person's will.

1053
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.719
<v Speaker 2>It's mental rape, it's physical rape. I mean, it's spiritual rape.

1054
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 2>It's every kind of rape stacked on top of each other.

1055
00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 2>This is I'm I'm ashamed to even be a part

1056
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.199
<v Speaker 2>of this conversation right now. To be real with you.

1057
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.639
<v Speaker 3>And y'all, not all these conversations are fun. Sometimes we

1058
00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:07.000
<v Speaker 3>have lighthearted episodes. We talk about some funny, hahahoho kind

1059
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 3>of things. Yeah, for sure, so as to get into

1060
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:11.840
<v Speaker 3>the religion. Sometimes we get into the woo woo, fine,

1061
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.719
<v Speaker 3>we're here for all of that. This is not one

1062
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 3>of those episodes. This is again certified, documented, factual information.

1063
00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:22.159
<v Speaker 3>And the sad and hard truth of this is that

1064
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:24.239
<v Speaker 3>this is a part of our job. We have to

1065
00:56:24.280 --> 00:56:26.519
<v Speaker 3>talk about all of it, and some of it is

1066
00:56:26.639 --> 00:56:29.880
<v Speaker 3>very dark, disgusting things. Here's where we are.

1067
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.320
<v Speaker 2>It's part of our country's history, it's part of our

1068
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:35.400
<v Speaker 2>government's history, and so you need to know what you're

1069
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.280
<v Speaker 2>messing with. If you're somebody that's like, oh, the government

1070
00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:41.199
<v Speaker 2>said so, so I believe it. Make sure you believe

1071
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 2>everything that they've done. Now, okay, just make sure you

1072
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:48.880
<v Speaker 2>understand the good with the bad. Okay, absolutely, So, here

1073
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:52.519
<v Speaker 2>are the uh oh, here we go. So the mental

1074
00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:54.559
<v Speaker 2>patient god LSD every day for one hundred and seventy

1075
00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:58.239
<v Speaker 2>four consecutive days. Elsewhere, Whitey Balger reported that he would

1076
00:56:58.239 --> 00:57:01.760
<v Speaker 2>be dosed with LSD monitor by a physician and repeatedly

1077
00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:05.360
<v Speaker 2>asked leading questions like would you ever kill anyone? He

1078
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:08.480
<v Speaker 2>later suggested that his murderous career as a crime lord

1079
00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 2>was partially brought on by his participation in MK ultra's

1080
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:13.440
<v Speaker 2>mind control experiments.

1081
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was one of the more brutal mob bosses.

1082
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:17.920
<v Speaker 3>By the way, if anybody doesn't know about Whitey Bulger,

1083
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:19.920
<v Speaker 3>I think Johnny Depp just played him in a movie

1084
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:23.719
<v Speaker 3>as America. That was good and they took some creative

1085
00:57:23.719 --> 00:57:26.920
<v Speaker 3>liberties with some of the things from the story. But

1086
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.639
<v Speaker 3>you could even go back and look at former mob

1087
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:32.320
<v Speaker 3>bosses that are now speaking out about their former crime life.

1088
00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 3>Every one of them agrees. You know, Whitey Bulger was

1089
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.920
<v Speaker 3>not to be fucked with, Like, if you're trying to

1090
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:39.559
<v Speaker 3>make a deal with him, it better be an in

1091
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.079
<v Speaker 3>and out deal. Do not get into bed with him

1092
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:45.719
<v Speaker 3>for any longer than what's absolutely understood to need to happen,

1093
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:48.519
<v Speaker 3>because he'd be just as likely to pull the trigger

1094
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 3>on one of his own men because he felt like

1095
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:52.639
<v Speaker 3>it one day than he would somebody who wronged him.

1096
00:57:52.960 --> 00:57:58.440
<v Speaker 2>Bro Our government essentially created Whitey Bulger, the character that

1097
00:57:58.519 --> 00:57:59.800
<v Speaker 2>he eventually ended up being.

1098
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:04.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one hundred percent. That's then whenever everybody was freaking

1099
00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.559
<v Speaker 3>out because he was an informant, it's like, well, yeah,

1100
00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.599
<v Speaker 3>he was a government plant from day one. That's how

1101
00:58:09.599 --> 00:58:10.159
<v Speaker 3>that happened.

1102
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, buddy. Uh So, then we get to the unibomber

1103
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.559
<v Speaker 2>Ted's Kazensky. So this is a picture of him in

1104
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.440
<v Speaker 2>a prison in nineteen ninety nine. Uh Ted Kaczenski may

1105
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.920
<v Speaker 2>have also been involved on as a subject in the

1106
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:27.519
<v Speaker 2>MK ultra mind control experiments conducted at Harvard in the

1107
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:32.559
<v Speaker 2>early nineteen sixties. Another undocumented but suspected participant was the

1108
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:36.679
<v Speaker 2>infamous Charles Manson, convicted of ordering a string of brutal

1109
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles murders that shocked the nation back in sixty nine.

1110
00:58:40.320 --> 00:58:43.239
<v Speaker 2>According to author Tom O'Neil and Chaos, I want to

1111
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:44.800
<v Speaker 2>get this guy on the show. He's been making his

1112
00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:46.800
<v Speaker 2>rounds and going on other shows. He wrote a book.

1113
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.760
<v Speaker 2>He was the fucking next door neighbor to Charles Manson.

1114
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:53.280
<v Speaker 3>Bro Wow, like at the ranch or like growing up.

1115
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. I think it was like as I

1116
00:58:56.800 --> 00:58:58.320
<v Speaker 2>don't want to misspeak, but he was his next door

1117
00:58:58.360 --> 00:59:02.159
<v Speaker 2>neighbor for a long time. That's wild, so Tom O'Neil.

1118
00:59:02.199 --> 00:59:05.679
<v Speaker 2>He wrote a book called Chaos, Charles Manson, the CIA

1119
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and the Secret History of the Sixties. Manson not only

1120
00:59:09.920 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 2>had people in his circle later connected to the CIA,

1121
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.360
<v Speaker 2>but the way in which he ran his cult by

1122
00:59:15.440 --> 00:59:19.119
<v Speaker 2>doping his followers with constant flow of LSD, was oddly

1123
00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.119
<v Speaker 2>similar to the kinds of experiments carried out by mk Ultra.

1124
00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:25.360
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent. Keep in mind, dude, nineteen sixty nine,

1125
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.320
<v Speaker 3>the same year that we allegedly put a man on

1126
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.840
<v Speaker 3>the moon, we also have Charles Manson with these murders,

1127
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:34.079
<v Speaker 3>and everybody wants to act like the two are not

1128
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.519
<v Speaker 3>equally part of the mind controlled narrative.

1129
00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:40.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, people just believe whatever was on TV

1130
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.480
<v Speaker 2>right in front of them. Didn't question how they were receiving,

1131
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, live live footage from the Moon. I mean,

1132
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you received live footage in real time from the Moon,

1133
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.679
<v Speaker 2>and nobody questioned that there was somebody already on the

1134
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:58.920
<v Speaker 2>moon to like film the fucking Space Shuttle landing. It's like,

1135
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:00.719
<v Speaker 2>oh my odd.

1136
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Hey, you listening right now? You feel that that's your

1137
01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:05.880
<v Speaker 3>third eye opening a little bit right now?

1138
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's bust an open, baby, bust that motherfucker open.

1139
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:13.440
<v Speaker 2>So so, anyway, the unsuspecting subjects of MK Ultra weren't

1140
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 2>all civilians, though some of them were CIA operatives themselves.

1141
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Gottlieb claimed that he wanted to study the effects of

1142
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.920
<v Speaker 2>LSD in quote unquote normal settings, and so he began

1143
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to administer LSD to CIA officials without warning.

1144
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so this was pretty crazy, dude. For about fifteen years,

1145
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.840
<v Speaker 3>agents of the CIA would just start like slipping each

1146
01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:37.360
<v Speaker 3>other LSD in their coffee and shit, just as practical

1147
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:42.000
<v Speaker 3>jokes around the office also super documented and verified, Like, Bro,

1148
01:00:42.440 --> 01:00:44.840
<v Speaker 3>could you imagine you're working for one of the most

1149
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:48.599
<v Speaker 3>powerful secret organizations in the government and you don't even

1150
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 3>know if you can go grab your cup of joe

1151
01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:54.079
<v Speaker 3>from the fucking office lunch room because you don't know

1152
01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:57.880
<v Speaker 3>if old Dick two offices down just slipped a massive

1153
01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:59.159
<v Speaker 3>dose of LSD in the pot.

1154
01:01:00.159 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah. Yeah, So it was played on as jokes,

1155
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:07.800
<v Speaker 2>but also it was the experiment itself, so they it was.

1156
01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:09.920
<v Speaker 2>It was purpose behind it. It wasn't just like, oh,

1157
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:12.360
<v Speaker 2>let me fuck with this guy. It probably turned.

1158
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 3>Into that, but some of that for sure.

1159
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was definitely some of that, but it was

1160
01:01:15.840 --> 01:01:19.119
<v Speaker 2>administered like it was. It was being monitored.

1161
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:23.119
<v Speaker 3>Okay, bro, and everybody in that building's armed. Yo. Fuck

1162
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 3>that slipped somebody some LSD when they guaranteed have a

1163
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:29.039
<v Speaker 3>pistol on their waist, Like you're asking for shit to

1164
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:29.719
<v Speaker 3>go sideways.

1165
01:01:30.360 --> 01:01:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the experiments continued for over a decade. Wow,

1166
01:01:35.000 --> 01:01:36.880
<v Speaker 2>they did it for over a decade to each other.

1167
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:39.960
<v Speaker 3>In fifteen years, my bad a decade give or.

1168
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Take even well, it says over a decade, so it

1169
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 2>could have been fifteen years. Even after an army scientist

1170
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:50.320
<v Speaker 2>doctor Frank Olsen began to suffer from drug induced depression

1171
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and jumped out of a thirteen story window right at

1172
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:56.679
<v Speaker 2>the project's outset in nineteen fifty three.

1173
01:01:57.000 --> 01:01:59.840
<v Speaker 3>So even though they had horrible experiences with it and like,

1174
01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.840
<v Speaker 3>oh shit, maybe we shouldn't do that anymore. Nah, fuck that,

1175
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:04.039
<v Speaker 3>the experiment must go on.

1176
01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:07.960
<v Speaker 2>What was it back in that day? Like marijuana madness?

1177
01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:10.960
<v Speaker 2>What was the term that you refer madness? Dude, refer madness?

1178
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Remember the all the commercials they made a movie out

1179
01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of that. They were trying to show everybody, this is

1180
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.440
<v Speaker 2>the effects of your mind on THC. Meanwhile, it was

1181
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:23.079
<v Speaker 2>really LSD, Like everything that they were talking about was

1182
01:02:23.079 --> 01:02:25.559
<v Speaker 2>was exactly the effects of LSD.

1183
01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:29.079
<v Speaker 3>And they still have some of that remnants today. Refer madness,

1184
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:31.840
<v Speaker 3>that stupid fucking black and white movie where you know

1185
01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:34.480
<v Speaker 3>it was all about racism. It was to show basically,

1186
01:02:34.519 --> 01:02:36.880
<v Speaker 3>these these people from south of the border coming here

1187
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.519
<v Speaker 3>with that reefer and their madness. If a white man

1188
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.360
<v Speaker 3>smokes it, he's gonna go into a frenzy of rage

1189
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:45.960
<v Speaker 3>and rapiness. And it's like bro first of all, first

1190
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 3>and I even heard it was a politician like ten

1191
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 3>years ago. I think who was like, good people don't

1192
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:54.159
<v Speaker 3>smoke marijuana. We do know that marijuana rage is the thing.

1193
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 3>It's like, first of all, tell me you know nothing

1194
01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 3>about weed. Without telling me you know nothing about weed,

1195
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.519
<v Speaker 3>I have never in my life seen might ever take

1196
01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:04.119
<v Speaker 3>a hit off of j and then get angry about

1197
01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:04.719
<v Speaker 3>fuck all.

1198
01:03:05.039 --> 01:03:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So maybe a little paranoid, but sure. I mean, you're

1199
01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.000
<v Speaker 2>not even getting up off the couch to go look

1200
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 2>out the window to you if you're paranoid, Like, dude,

1201
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't even want to fuck one of ro. I'm

1202
01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:17.159
<v Speaker 2>too high, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't

1203
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.199
<v Speaker 2>want to do anything when of ro I'm too high

1204
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Like that.

1205
01:03:20.199 --> 01:03:22.760
<v Speaker 3>It was so stupid, But again to your point, it

1206
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:25.639
<v Speaker 3>was all about the image. It was about the what

1207
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.960
<v Speaker 3>can we put out into the public zeitgeist to keep

1208
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:30.159
<v Speaker 3>people away from this horrible thing. Don't worry about that.

1209
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.440
<v Speaker 3>How about you drink some laudanum, which is poisoned opium. Right,

1210
01:03:34.719 --> 01:03:39.280
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna do that. But all that natural marijuana flower Nah, Nah,

1211
01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:41.519
<v Speaker 3>that's that's a devil atis it's what.

1212
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So for those who survive the fallout of the

1213
01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:52.440
<v Speaker 2>experiments included things like depression, antoorgrade and taro grade. Oh

1214
01:03:52.480 --> 01:04:01.360
<v Speaker 2>there we go, and tarograde and retrograde amnesia, paralysis, withdrawal, confusion, disorientation, pain, insomnia,

1215
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.320
<v Speaker 2>schizophrenic like mental states. As a result of the experiments,

1216
01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:09.280
<v Speaker 2>long term effects like these largely went untreated and unreported

1217
01:04:09.320 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 2>to authorities, of course they did so. How mk ultra's

1218
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:18.840
<v Speaker 2>mind control experiments finally came to light in early nineteen

1219
01:04:18.880 --> 01:04:21.800
<v Speaker 2>seventy three, in the aftermath of the Watergate scandal. CIA

1220
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:26.000
<v Speaker 2>director Richard Helms ordered all mk ultra files be destroyed.

1221
01:04:26.280 --> 01:04:29.800
<v Speaker 2>He feared that all government agencies would be investigated and

1222
01:04:29.920 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 2>hoped and he would not risk a breach of information

1223
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.159
<v Speaker 2>on such a controversial topic. But in nineteen seventy five,

1224
01:04:36.239 --> 01:04:41.400
<v Speaker 2>President gerald Off Folde commissioned an investigation into the CIA activities,

1225
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:47.360
<v Speaker 2>hoping to eradicate conspiracies within the organization. Two community or

1226
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:51.760
<v Speaker 2>two committees rather spawned from the investigation, the Church Committee

1227
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.639
<v Speaker 2>of the United States Congress and the Rockefeller Commission.

1228
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:59.480
<v Speaker 3>So these so let's not forget Gerald Ford, who was

1229
01:04:59.559 --> 01:05:02.719
<v Speaker 3>not a lie to the office of the presidency. Right,

1230
01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:04.480
<v Speaker 3>he's the only president, as a matter of fact, that

1231
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:07.000
<v Speaker 3>was Speaker of the House and then became president, and

1232
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:09.320
<v Speaker 3>then you realize that he was on the Warrant Commission

1233
01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:13.639
<v Speaker 3>who investigated the Kennedy assassination. Two weeks of investigation, they

1234
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:17.079
<v Speaker 3>declared that it was clearly Lee Harvey Oswald. Never mind

1235
01:05:17.119 --> 01:05:19.480
<v Speaker 3>of where Gerald Ford was before, he was a part

1236
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.119
<v Speaker 3>of the Warren Commission, and then while he was president,

1237
01:05:22.280 --> 01:05:24.000
<v Speaker 3>he's trying to blow the lid off of all these

1238
01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:26.960
<v Speaker 3>other organizations. You think maybe he was placed there on

1239
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:29.719
<v Speaker 3>purpose and that there was a conspiracy at play. Yeah.

1240
01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you get rid of mk ULTRA and you

1241
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:37.039
<v Speaker 2>replace it with the Rockefeller Commission. Good job, You fucking

1242
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:39.840
<v Speaker 2>did us a solid one there, Bud fucking American hero.

1243
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:40.840
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

1244
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.639
<v Speaker 2>So the overall investigation revealed that Helms had destroyed most

1245
01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.559
<v Speaker 2>of the evidence regarding mk ULTRA, but that same year,

1246
01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:51.039
<v Speaker 2>a collection of eight thousand documents were discovered in a

1247
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.239
<v Speaker 2>financial records building and later released under a Freedom of

1248
01:05:54.280 --> 01:05:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Information Act request. In nineteen seventy seven, when the remaining

1249
01:05:57.719 --> 01:06:00.559
<v Speaker 2>documents were made available to the public, and IT launched

1250
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:02.880
<v Speaker 2>a collection of hearings on the ethics of the project

1251
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:06.599
<v Speaker 2>later that year. Survivors soon filed lawsuits against the CIA

1252
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and the federal government. Regarding regarding informed Consent laws in

1253
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:17.760
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two, seventy seven form form former seventy seven

1254
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.559
<v Speaker 2>former mk Ultra participants were awarded a settlement, though many

1255
01:06:21.559 --> 01:06:24.559
<v Speaker 2>more were denied any retribution because of how difficult it

1256
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:28.079
<v Speaker 2>was for them to prove definitively that these secret experiments

1257
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:29.679
<v Speaker 2>caused their mental anguish.

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01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, most of the records were either redacted or destroyed.

1259
01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:37.039
<v Speaker 3>So you just have this person who's quote unquote mentally handicapped,

1260
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:39.760
<v Speaker 3>is unable to hold a job, is tortured and traumatized

1261
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:42.280
<v Speaker 3>beyond all belief, and they're saying that it was because

1262
01:06:42.320 --> 01:06:46.079
<v Speaker 3>of Alan Dulles in this agency. But sorry, we have

1263
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:48.760
<v Speaker 3>no record of your name anywhere near this agency. What

1264
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:49.719
<v Speaker 3>are you talking about, bro?

1265
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:52.639
<v Speaker 2>And So whenever you hear like you'll go on to

1266
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:55.559
<v Speaker 2>social media or YouTube or something like that, and you'll

1267
01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 2>hear about people who know for a fact that they

1268
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:03.079
<v Speaker 2>were involved in to Winter Soldier like experiments and they

1269
01:07:03.119 --> 01:07:06.280
<v Speaker 2>talk about how like literally all of their attributes and

1270
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:10.800
<v Speaker 2>all of their abilities were enhanced big time, like literally

1271
01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Winter Soldier type shit. And you see them they're talking

1272
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.360
<v Speaker 2>about it, and they're going in depth about you know

1273
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:19.599
<v Speaker 2>what they experienced and what they know. But the problem

1274
01:07:19.719 --> 01:07:21.320
<v Speaker 2>is is that so many people will look at that

1275
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:23.519
<v Speaker 2>and they'll be like, oh, well, this guy's just trying

1276
01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:25.239
<v Speaker 2>to get a little bit of fame. This guy's just

1277
01:07:25.280 --> 01:07:28.079
<v Speaker 2>trying to be somebody. But if you hear them speak

1278
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:31.199
<v Speaker 2>like it makes they know too much to be making

1279
01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:34.280
<v Speaker 2>it up. And so then you're you know, that person's

1280
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:36.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna get labeled crazy. He's going to get labeled to

1281
01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:40.159
<v Speaker 2>schizophrenic or conspiracy theorist. And it's just swept underneath the rug.

1282
01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:42.280
<v Speaker 2>That's part of the programming of this reality.

1283
01:07:42.800 --> 01:07:45.199
<v Speaker 3>And that's the problem, dude. There's tons of grifters, you

1284
01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:46.519
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. There's tons of people that will

1285
01:07:46.559 --> 01:07:48.679
<v Speaker 3>just try to ride the way for fame and four

1286
01:07:48.760 --> 01:07:51.239
<v Speaker 3>notoriety and claim that they were somewhere that they weren't,

1287
01:07:51.400 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 3>and you could look at their whereabouts and like, wait

1288
01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:55.320
<v Speaker 3>a minute, you're saying that you were part of NK Ultra.

1289
01:07:56.239 --> 01:07:59.199
<v Speaker 3>The age record says that you were in middle school

1290
01:07:59.239 --> 01:08:03.159
<v Speaker 3>in Wyoming at that time, and you know, well they

1291
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:06.239
<v Speaker 3>changed the records. That's not real. It's like, okay, so

1292
01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:07.880
<v Speaker 3>it becomes.

1293
01:08:07.519 --> 01:08:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Impossible to prove at that point and which is actually

1294
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.159
<v Speaker 2>which is done on purpose. So yeah, there are absolutely

1295
01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:15.239
<v Speaker 2>people out there that are that they just want to

1296
01:08:15.280 --> 01:08:18.319
<v Speaker 2>be famous, and that's part of the fucking operation itself.

1297
01:08:18.399 --> 01:08:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I believe. I think that this is all part of

1298
01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:24.600
<v Speaker 2>the plan to be able to just dismiss these kinds

1299
01:08:24.600 --> 01:08:29.279
<v Speaker 2>of stories. Right, it's such a large plot that not

1300
01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:31.319
<v Speaker 2>everybody's full of shit, But then you got to worry

1301
01:08:31.359 --> 01:08:33.399
<v Speaker 2>about the people that are, and that's part of the

1302
01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:36.880
<v Speaker 2>confusion that was brought forward by mko Ultra in the

1303
01:08:36.880 --> 01:08:40.640
<v Speaker 2>first place. So here we go, let's get back to it.

1304
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:43.880
<v Speaker 2>So back in twenty eighteen, the families of a group

1305
01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:47.000
<v Speaker 2>of ex patients filed a class action lawsuit against the

1306
01:08:47.039 --> 01:08:50.439
<v Speaker 2>provincial and federal governments of Canada for the experiments doctor

1307
01:08:50.520 --> 01:08:53.439
<v Speaker 2>Cameron ran on their loved ones in the sixties. Since

1308
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 2>the documents were revealed, countless shows and movies have been

1309
01:08:56.800 --> 01:09:00.640
<v Speaker 2>inspired by mk ultra's mind control experiments, most notably The

1310
01:09:00.680 --> 01:09:03.359
<v Speaker 2>Men Who Stare At Goats, the Jason Bourne series, and

1311
01:09:03.560 --> 01:09:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Stranger Things. So excited new season A Stranger Things can

1312
01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:09.119
<v Speaker 2>be coming out in a month. I'm fucking stoked for it.

1313
01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.600
<v Speaker 2>But Stranger Things is it's pulling off of mk ultra.

1314
01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:19.199
<v Speaker 2>The Philadelphia experiment and all that. So whenever you see eleven,

1315
01:09:19.439 --> 01:09:22.920
<v Speaker 2>like in those century deprivation tanks and they're shocking the

1316
01:09:22.920 --> 01:09:24.720
<v Speaker 2>fuck out of her and they have like, you know,

1317
01:09:24.800 --> 01:09:28.439
<v Speaker 2>all those electrodes on her brain and everything, that's not

1318
01:09:28.520 --> 01:09:32.560
<v Speaker 2>a made up fictional fantasy, Like they pulled that from fact,

1319
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:36.720
<v Speaker 2>from history, So it's real shit. I mean, yeah, seeing

1320
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:38.039
<v Speaker 2>the upside down whatever that.

1321
01:09:38.199 --> 01:09:38.399
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1322
01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Of course you're gonna take liberties and making it awesome

1323
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:43.800
<v Speaker 2>for a TV show, But the ways in which they

1324
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:48.279
<v Speaker 2>administered these types of these types of experiments was smart

1325
01:09:48.359 --> 01:09:52.520
<v Speaker 2>on so anyway, it says. The government does not deny

1326
01:09:52.640 --> 01:09:55.439
<v Speaker 2>that the MK Ultra experiments took place, but most of

1327
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:58.399
<v Speaker 2>what transpired remains a mystery. It has admitted that the

1328
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.800
<v Speaker 2>experiments took place across eight institutions and often on unwinning subjects.

1329
01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:05.960
<v Speaker 2>Most of the discussions surrounding the experiments today comes from

1330
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:09.920
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorists. The CIA is adamant that the experiments ceased

1331
01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:13.760
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty three and that all related experiments were

1332
01:10:13.800 --> 01:10:17.239
<v Speaker 2>abandoned due to the destruction of records, the secrecy surrounding

1333
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:21.159
<v Speaker 2>the project, and its various ever changing code names. Conspiracy

1334
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:23.920
<v Speaker 2>theorists aren't so sure. Some of them even believe that

1335
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.840
<v Speaker 2>the experiments are still taking place today. There is, of course,

1336
01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:29.239
<v Speaker 2>no way to be sure.

1337
01:10:30.399 --> 01:10:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't they Why what they were getting real results

1338
01:10:34.239 --> 01:10:38.079
<v Speaker 3>from it, and they were able to accurately create a killer,

1339
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 3>create a cult leader, create a best selling a musical artist.

1340
01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Why would they stop? Yeah, they got caught in all

1341
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:50.039
<v Speaker 3>these things, dude, they would just go deeper underground. Why

1342
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:50.920
<v Speaker 3>would they stop this?

1343
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.239
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? Everything's so compartmentalized that it like only a said

1344
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.039
<v Speaker 2>group of people are even aware that the shit's going on.

1345
01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:01.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I've heard we're supposed to believe the CI

1346
01:11:01.399 --> 01:11:04.319
<v Speaker 3>developed a concience out of nowhere. We're really about to

1347
01:11:04.359 --> 01:11:06.840
<v Speaker 3>have that conversation. I'm sorry, that's just not true, dude.

1348
01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.319
<v Speaker 2>I've heard basically what whistleblowers come out and they're talking

1349
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:13.000
<v Speaker 2>about whatever it is, whatever they're whistleblowing on, whether it

1350
01:11:13.039 --> 01:11:16.840
<v Speaker 2>be you know, Edward Snowden as far as Big brother

1351
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:20.199
<v Speaker 2>antics and all that stuff, or you know, other people

1352
01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:25.159
<v Speaker 2>documenting alien activity whatever. But basically there's been people that

1353
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:27.680
<v Speaker 2>have said that, like, look, I'll be in a in

1354
01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:30.760
<v Speaker 2>a like in a little conference room, around a table,

1355
01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:33.920
<v Speaker 2>around a table of people that are talking about a

1356
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:38.600
<v Speaker 2>specific subject, a specific subject, right, and it's it's all encompassing.

1357
01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:40.760
<v Speaker 2>So you have this person that knows this, this person

1358
01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.479
<v Speaker 2>that knows that, they'll say that, Like the person I'm

1359
01:11:43.520 --> 01:11:47.640
<v Speaker 2>sitting next to is so compartmentalized that I don't even

1360
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.680
<v Speaker 2>know what they're involved in. I just know that they're

1361
01:11:49.720 --> 01:11:54.319
<v Speaker 2>involved in the program in some way. So it's so compartmentalized.

1362
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And they do that on purpose, you know, so that

1363
01:11:57.680 --> 01:11:58.439
<v Speaker 2>bring that works.

1364
01:11:58.840 --> 01:12:01.239
<v Speaker 3>Usually spies don't know who else out there as a spy.

1365
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:04.439
<v Speaker 3>They have their point of contact that they report back to,

1366
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:07.720
<v Speaker 3>and that's it. How many times have we seen reports

1367
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:09.600
<v Speaker 3>of like or I know, I have any way of

1368
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:12.800
<v Speaker 3>like guys that were doing like counter terrorism operations, counter

1369
01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.000
<v Speaker 3>drug operations. And no I don't mean like Seal Team six, no, no, no,

1370
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:18.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean like actual three letter agencies, things that you've

1371
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:22.159
<v Speaker 3>never heard of before. They'll be in a room, you know,

1372
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:24.720
<v Speaker 3>some some bar or some cafe somewhere, and they're looking

1373
01:12:24.720 --> 01:12:27.560
<v Speaker 3>at their target. Right. Come to find out years later

1374
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:29.920
<v Speaker 3>they had five agents in that room, all looking at

1375
01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.920
<v Speaker 3>the same target, and none of them knew about each other.

1376
01:12:32.359 --> 01:12:33.039
<v Speaker 3>That's real shit.

1377
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So it's basically ghost activity essentially. So that

1378
01:12:39.960 --> 01:12:44.079
<v Speaker 2>brings us to this and this is something rather peculiar

1379
01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:48.000
<v Speaker 2>timing in which they released this information. Uh, they released

1380
01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:53.399
<v Speaker 2>this information on Christmas Eve of last year. Ooh, perfect

1381
01:12:53.439 --> 01:12:55.920
<v Speaker 2>time to release and drop a bombshell on something like this,

1382
01:12:56.000 --> 01:12:58.840
<v Speaker 2>because you're out with your family, you're getting Christmas presents,

1383
01:12:58.920 --> 01:13:02.640
<v Speaker 2>you're you're in the festivities as one does during the

1384
01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:06.600
<v Speaker 2>during the holiday season. Right, so you dropped something.

1385
01:13:06.279 --> 01:13:09.119
<v Speaker 3>Into this absolutely hell, we even get We do this

1386
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.720
<v Speaker 3>for a living. I remember hearing that something else had dropped.

1387
01:13:11.720 --> 01:13:13.119
<v Speaker 3>I didn't pay no mine.

1388
01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Yet because it's so flooded with all this crazy other

1389
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:19.520
<v Speaker 2>shit that's going on. And then you couple that, because

1390
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:21.880
<v Speaker 2>think about it, Trump had just gotten elected, he had

1391
01:13:21.920 --> 01:13:25.680
<v Speaker 2>just gotten into the White House. Things are starting to change, right. No, no,

1392
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:27.399
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't even in the White House yet. I think

1393
01:13:27.439 --> 01:13:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that wasn't until January.

1394
01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:30.640
<v Speaker 3>But he had been elected, got elected, and he had

1395
01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.960
<v Speaker 3>just got shot in the fucking head, and all these

1396
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.000
<v Speaker 3>things had taken place.

1397
01:13:34.039 --> 01:13:38.520
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, there's that, right, And so they they they

1398
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:41.399
<v Speaker 2>release it basically in the shadows. They release it in

1399
01:13:41.439 --> 01:13:43.720
<v Speaker 2>places they know that you're not gonna look. And so

1400
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:46.319
<v Speaker 2>and then we don't hear about it for months or

1401
01:13:46.439 --> 01:13:51.279
<v Speaker 2>years or decades later. Right, So here we go. What

1402
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:53.560
<v Speaker 2>is this is by Newsweek, by the way, it says,

1403
01:13:53.560 --> 01:13:58.479
<v Speaker 2>what is mk Ultra? CIA secret mind control program records unsealed?

1404
01:13:58.880 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 2>So new shit, here we go. So newly declassified records

1405
01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:06.640
<v Speaker 2>on the CIA's infamous mk Ultra program have been published

1406
01:14:06.640 --> 01:14:10.199
<v Speaker 2>by the National Security Archive and pro Quest. The collection,

1407
01:14:10.359 --> 01:14:13.880
<v Speaker 2>which was released on Monday, includes over twelve hundred documents

1408
01:14:13.920 --> 01:14:17.640
<v Speaker 2>detailing the CIA's experiments with drugs, hypnosis, and other mind

1409
01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:21.119
<v Speaker 2>control techniques during the Cold War. Newsweek has contacted the

1410
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:24.439
<v Speaker 2>National Security Archive and the CIA via email for comment.

1411
01:14:24.960 --> 01:14:28.119
<v Speaker 2>So the mk ulture remains one of the most controversial

1412
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:32.159
<v Speaker 2>chapters in US intelligence history. Its experiments often targeted unwitting

1413
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:37.520
<v Speaker 2>individuals and left lasting psychological damage on participants. The declassified

1414
01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:41.479
<v Speaker 2>documents shed light on a program shrouded in secrecy since then.

1415
01:14:41.640 --> 01:14:45.199
<v Speaker 2>CIA director Richard Helms ordered most of its records to

1416
01:14:45.239 --> 01:14:48.279
<v Speaker 2>be destroyed in nineteen seventy three. The documents will prompt

1417
01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:52.359
<v Speaker 2>further discussions on mk Ultra's implications on ethical boundaries in

1418
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:57.000
<v Speaker 2>scientific research and governmental oversight. So the CIA explored mind

1419
01:14:57.039 --> 01:15:00.239
<v Speaker 2>control techniques during the Cold War under code name like

1420
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:06.479
<v Speaker 2>mk Ultra, Bluebird, and Artichoke. Experiments included administering LSD, employing

1421
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:12.039
<v Speaker 2>sensory deprivation, and including amnesia on unwinning US and Canadian citizens.

1422
01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:16.119
<v Speaker 2>The newly published records include a nineteen fifty plan for

1423
01:15:16.439 --> 01:15:20.760
<v Speaker 2>in quotes interrogation teams to use on drugs and hypnosis,

1424
01:15:20.840 --> 01:15:25.199
<v Speaker 2>and a nineteen fifty six memo approving high dose LSD

1425
01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:29.680
<v Speaker 2>experiments on federal prisoners. Another document describes the nineteen sixty

1426
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:34.319
<v Speaker 2>three CIA Inspector General report that questioned using unknowing Americans

1427
01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:40.439
<v Speaker 2>as test subjects Unknowing unknowing no telling how many people,

1428
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.840
<v Speaker 2>which people right, It's just onknowing. The records also delve

1429
01:15:44.840 --> 01:15:48.439
<v Speaker 2>into a mysterious nineteen fifty three death of Frank Olsen,

1430
01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.720
<v Speaker 2>a scientist covertly dosed with LSD who died ten days

1431
01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:54.239
<v Speaker 2>later in a fall from a New York hotel. Officially

1432
01:15:54.319 --> 01:15:57.479
<v Speaker 2>ruled a suicide, Olsen's death remains a focal point for

1433
01:15:58.199 --> 01:16:01.840
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories alleging CIA foul play. Due to most mk

1434
01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Ultra documents having been destroyed in the nineteen seventy three

1435
01:16:04.720 --> 01:16:08.800
<v Speaker 2>cover up, most surviving files come from Foyer requests and

1436
01:16:09.079 --> 01:16:12.880
<v Speaker 2>contributions from whistleblowers and historians. So what people are saying?

1437
01:16:12.920 --> 01:16:13.000
<v Speaker 3>It?

1438
01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Says National Security Archive in a statement, It says, despite

1439
01:16:16.720 --> 01:16:20.039
<v Speaker 2>the agency's efforts to erase this hidden history, the documents

1440
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.560
<v Speaker 2>that survive this purge and that have been gathered together

1441
01:16:23.680 --> 01:16:28.079
<v Speaker 2>here present a compelling and unsettling narrative of the CIA's

1442
01:16:28.159 --> 01:16:31.159
<v Speaker 2>decades long effort to discover and test ways to erase

1443
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:34.640
<v Speaker 2>and reprogram the human mind. The collection is also of

1444
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:37.720
<v Speaker 2>great value of those to those interested in learning more

1445
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:39.680
<v Speaker 2>about the early years of the CIA and some of

1446
01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:44.680
<v Speaker 2>its major personalities, such as Alan Dulles, Richard Helms, Richard Bissel,

1447
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Frank Frank's Wisner, and others who envisioned and created the

1448
01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:53.560
<v Speaker 2>intelligence agency that favored bold, often covert action, and where

1449
01:16:53.560 --> 01:16:57.359
<v Speaker 2>controversial projects like mk ULTRA could secretly take root and flourish.

1450
01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:02.039
<v Speaker 2>In so, the nineteen seventy five congres Resational Committee into

1451
01:17:02.239 --> 01:17:06.119
<v Speaker 2>mk Ultra, headed by Senator Frank Church, in its report,

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01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:09.560
<v Speaker 2>says this the United States must not adopt the tactics

1453
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:13.680
<v Speaker 2>of the enemy. Means are as important as important as ends.

1454
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:18.479
<v Speaker 2>Crisises make it tempting to ignore the wise restraints that

1455
01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:21.199
<v Speaker 2>make men free. But each time we do so, each

1456
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:24.439
<v Speaker 2>each time we do so, each time the means we

1457
01:17:24.479 --> 01:17:27.880
<v Speaker 2>are that we use are wrong, are inner strength. The

1458
01:17:27.920 --> 01:17:33.359
<v Speaker 2>strength which makes us free is lessened. So it says historian.

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01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:36.640
<v Speaker 3>Government official to say so many times that the ends

1460
01:17:36.880 --> 01:17:40.640
<v Speaker 3>justify the means. Listen, I understand are in time of war. Okay,

1461
01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:42.159
<v Speaker 3>I understand he got a crack a few eggs to

1462
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:43.880
<v Speaker 3>make an omelet. I get that. It's not a comfortable

1463
01:17:43.880 --> 01:17:46.760
<v Speaker 3>conversation I have, but I get it. This guy just

1464
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:49.520
<v Speaker 3>used that as his defense like three separate times in

1465
01:17:49.560 --> 01:17:53.479
<v Speaker 3>that one statement. So what he's basically saying is we're

1466
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:54.800
<v Speaker 3>going to do what we want and there's nothing you

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01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.199
<v Speaker 3>can do about it because it's quote unquote for the

1468
01:17:57.199 --> 01:17:59.600
<v Speaker 3>greater good. And it is because we said so.

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01:18:01.079 --> 01:18:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Exactly. So, it says historians and researchers are expected to

1470
01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:09.880
<v Speaker 2>analyze the documents to better understand mk ultra scope and implications. Further,

1471
01:18:09.960 --> 01:18:13.960
<v Speaker 2>public discussions may arise about governmental accountability and boundaries in

1472
01:18:13.960 --> 01:18:17.159
<v Speaker 2>intelligence operations. So it doesn't dive in too deep as

1473
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:19.800
<v Speaker 2>far as specific experiments, but it does say that there

1474
01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:23.279
<v Speaker 2>were twelve hundred more documents that were just uncovered and

1475
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>they're going through them right now. So yeah, yeah, pretty

1476
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:33.560
<v Speaker 2>wild shit. That leads us into I actually had to

1477
01:18:33.560 --> 01:18:36.079
<v Speaker 2>pull it up on Normally I used duc ugg, but

1478
01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:37.600
<v Speaker 2>I think I had to use this one for chrome.

1479
01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:38.039
<v Speaker 3>Here we go.

1480
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:43.159
<v Speaker 2>So that leads us into what possibly came from that.

1481
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And this is something that I personally had never heard

1482
01:18:45.960 --> 01:18:48.199
<v Speaker 2>of before because we always talk about MK ultra. But

1483
01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:51.479
<v Speaker 2>have you ever heard of Project MK often?

1484
01:18:52.279 --> 01:18:54.199
<v Speaker 3>I feel like I've heard of it before, but because

1485
01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:57.359
<v Speaker 3>it was MK whatever, I kind of just lumped it

1486
01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:59.600
<v Speaker 3>in my brain as the same kind of thing as MK.

1487
01:18:59.720 --> 01:19:02.840
<v Speaker 3>All probably a subset of or something like that, kind

1488
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:04.760
<v Speaker 3>of like artic choke, you know what I mean. So

1489
01:19:05.159 --> 01:19:07.640
<v Speaker 3>to answer your question, no, I don't know much about it,

1490
01:19:07.800 --> 01:19:09.640
<v Speaker 3>but I feel like I've heard of it before.

1491
01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:14.239
<v Speaker 2>All right, So Project MK often the CIA's foray into

1492
01:19:14.359 --> 01:19:18.039
<v Speaker 2>occult and behavioral research. Oh they love a fuck They

1493
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:19.079
<v Speaker 2>expanded upon it.

1494
01:19:20.039 --> 01:19:22.359
<v Speaker 3>Oh so now not only do we have mind controlling

1495
01:19:22.479 --> 01:19:25.239
<v Speaker 3>LSD and all this stuff on unwilling substjects, but now

1496
01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:27.199
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna go ahead and throw in the occult and

1497
01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.960
<v Speaker 3>dark magic, remember, because that's what we needed. Next.

1498
01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Remember, they brought the poison expert over from Germany and

1499
01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:36.119
<v Speaker 2>called him the black uh Sorcerer.

1500
01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Sorcerer.

1501
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:39.439
<v Speaker 2>Ye right, So of course it was going to expand

1502
01:19:39.439 --> 01:19:40.760
<v Speaker 2>into this again.

1503
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we said that. We even said it earlier in

1504
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:46.600
<v Speaker 3>this episode. That's not just some fly by night nickname

1505
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:48.960
<v Speaker 3>that you would give a guy uh uh okay. And

1506
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:52.079
<v Speaker 3>especially in the sixties whenever we had help me out

1507
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:54.119
<v Speaker 3>guy who was involved with putting a man on the Moon,

1508
01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:56.239
<v Speaker 3>that was big with Alistair Crowley Parsons.

1509
01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Jack Parsons, Yeah.

1510
01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:01.880
<v Speaker 3>Jack Parsons right. Alistair craw had just come through America

1511
01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.319
<v Speaker 3>around that timeframe. All of these things. So then on

1512
01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:07.000
<v Speaker 3>top of all of this shit going on, and these

1513
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:10.399
<v Speaker 3>MK ultra fucks are creating serial killers and all that,

1514
01:20:11.319 --> 01:20:14.119
<v Speaker 3>now we're gonna just throw in some occult black magic

1515
01:20:14.119 --> 01:20:16.880
<v Speaker 3>into the mix. I wonder where that gets its basis from.

1516
01:20:16.920 --> 01:20:18.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm excited, let's go So.

1517
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Project MK often was one of the most enigmatic and

1518
01:20:21.520 --> 01:20:25.039
<v Speaker 2>bizarre programs undertaken by the Central Intelligence Agency during the

1519
01:20:25.119 --> 01:20:27.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties and early seventies. It was part of a

1520
01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:31.199
<v Speaker 2>broader CI. It was part of the broader CIA efforts

1521
01:20:31.239 --> 01:20:36.479
<v Speaker 2>to into mind control and behavioral modification, sharing similarities with

1522
01:20:36.520 --> 01:20:41.760
<v Speaker 2>the notorious MK Ultra program. However, what set MK often

1523
01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:46.600
<v Speaker 2>apart was its focus on exploring the fringes of human consciousness,

1524
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:50.600
<v Speaker 2>occult practices, black magic, and the potential use of the

1525
01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:55.640
<v Speaker 2>supernatural phenomena for military and intelligence purposes. While much about

1526
01:20:55.680 --> 01:21:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Project MK often remained shrouded in secrecy, declassified doc ims, testimonies,

1527
01:21:01.039 --> 01:21:05.319
<v Speaker 2>and investigations provide some insight into the bizarre and ethically

1528
01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>questionable experiments conducted under the program. This detailed exploration of

1529
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:14.399
<v Speaker 2>Project MK often will delve into its origins, key objectives,

1530
01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:18.079
<v Speaker 2>notable experiments, and its controversial legacy in the annals of

1531
01:21:18.239 --> 01:21:22.439
<v Speaker 2>CIA Black ops history. So let's get into it. The

1532
01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.880
<v Speaker 2>origins of Project MK often the Cold War paranoia and

1533
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:30.039
<v Speaker 2>CIA psyching. To understand the genesis of Project MK, often

1534
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:33.079
<v Speaker 2>we must first consider the broader historical context in which

1535
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:35.840
<v Speaker 2>it was conceived. The Cold War between the United States.

1536
01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh said context. Did you get a little bricked over there, Jacob.

1537
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:40.960
<v Speaker 3>A little bit. I'm a little chubbed up just hearing you.

1538
01:21:41.039 --> 01:21:43.720
<v Speaker 3>It's like, ooh historical context, oh ho tall dirty.

1539
01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the Cold War between the United States and the

1540
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:49.960
<v Speaker 2>Soviet Union was in full swing, and both superpowers were

1541
01:21:50.000 --> 01:21:52.279
<v Speaker 2>desperate to gain an edge in the realms of intelligence,

1542
01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:56.960
<v Speaker 2>military strategy, and psychological warfare. This environment of heightened paranoia

1543
01:21:57.039 --> 01:22:00.239
<v Speaker 2>led the United States government to explore unconventional method of

1544
01:22:00.279 --> 01:22:05.079
<v Speaker 2>gathering intelligence, manipulating human behavior, and even gaining insight into

1545
01:22:05.159 --> 01:22:10.000
<v Speaker 2>the metaphysical or paranormal realms. The CIA, under Director Alan Dulles,

1546
01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:13.119
<v Speaker 2>was tasked with investigating any and all possible ways to

1547
01:22:13.239 --> 01:22:17.359
<v Speaker 2>influence and control human behavior, including techniques that might seem

1548
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:22.680
<v Speaker 2>outlandish or improbable. The agency's interest in psychological manipulation, drugs,

1549
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:26.159
<v Speaker 2>and altered states of consciousness had already been established through

1550
01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Project mk Ultra, which sought to develop methods for brainwashing, interrogation,

1551
01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:35.439
<v Speaker 2>and mind control using LSD, elect electroshock therapy and other

1552
01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:40.560
<v Speaker 2>psychological techniques. Mkultro, launched in the early nineteen fifties, conducted

1553
01:22:40.600 --> 01:22:43.600
<v Speaker 2>a wide range of experiments, many of which involved dosing

1554
01:22:43.680 --> 01:22:47.479
<v Speaker 2>unwitting subjects with LSD and other psychoactive substances in an

1555
01:22:47.479 --> 01:22:50.640
<v Speaker 2>attempt to uncover methods for manipulating the human mind. By

1556
01:22:50.640 --> 01:22:54.479
<v Speaker 2>the late nineteen sixties, as Mkultra wound down, the CIA's

1557
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:58.279
<v Speaker 2>appetite for exploring the limits of human consciousness had not diminished.

1558
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:01.880
<v Speaker 2>This interest paved the way for the creation of Project

1559
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:05.319
<v Speaker 2>MK often Oh goosebumps. I'm ready for this one, baby.

1560
01:23:05.199 --> 01:23:08.239
<v Speaker 3>My god, dude, and I could I could even understand,

1561
01:23:08.279 --> 01:23:12.119
<v Speaker 3>and I understand. I could see them having this conversation, like, listen, listen,

1562
01:23:12.920 --> 01:23:16.199
<v Speaker 3>we just heard that the Russians got some witch doctors

1563
01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:19.199
<v Speaker 3>over there, and they're calling out demons for their military

1564
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Why are we not throwing money into demon research. We

1565
01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:25.560
<v Speaker 3>need to do it now, Just take my money and

1566
01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:28.960
<v Speaker 3>like next thing, you know, where got government contracted witches

1567
01:23:29.000 --> 01:23:31.960
<v Speaker 3>to call upon demons for military purpose. I could see

1568
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 3>it already, dude.

1569
01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:36.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, it gets kind of crazy. But also

1570
01:23:36.319 --> 01:23:39.600
<v Speaker 2>don't forget I mean paper Clip involved, you know, bringing

1571
01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:44.680
<v Speaker 2>over Nazi scientists Hitler and the other guy, what was

1572
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:48.720
<v Speaker 2>his name, Hassan Rudolph he S. Hitler and Rudolph Hes

1573
01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:51.439
<v Speaker 2>were heavily involved into this kind of work already. So

1574
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>we brought them over or you know, constituents thereof over

1575
01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:58.880
<v Speaker 2>to the United States. And this was probably something that

1576
01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>they had been working on for decades already.

1577
01:24:01.439 --> 01:24:03.239
<v Speaker 3>It was just something that was in on the dark

1578
01:24:03.279 --> 01:24:05.720
<v Speaker 3>magic and the occult, the Thule Society. We've done whole

1579
01:24:05.760 --> 01:24:08.920
<v Speaker 3>episodes about Nazi occultism and black magic that they were

1580
01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:11.600
<v Speaker 3>using and diving into. So if we already got these

1581
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:14.439
<v Speaker 3>scientists that are helping us develop rockets Warner von Braun

1582
01:24:14.760 --> 01:24:17.199
<v Speaker 3>or helping us develop MK ultra, like your boy that

1583
01:24:17.239 --> 01:24:19.479
<v Speaker 3>worked for Hesse and all of these things, oh wait

1584
01:24:19.520 --> 01:24:22.199
<v Speaker 3>a minute, y'all already know about the dark magic. And

1585
01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:25.560
<v Speaker 3>they're just like, you mean our religion. Yes, we may

1586
01:24:25.600 --> 01:24:27.960
<v Speaker 3>have read a book or two and it's like, oh man,

1587
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:28.640
<v Speaker 3>let's do this.

1588
01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's not uncharted territory. Whenever they reference and

1589
01:24:33.119 --> 01:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>frame it like this, like oh, well, they were just

1590
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:38.079
<v Speaker 2>trying to gain an advantage against the Russians, it's like, no,

1591
01:24:38.199 --> 01:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>you already had people in place that were working on

1592
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:43.439
<v Speaker 2>this already. You use this as an excuse to dive

1593
01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.479
<v Speaker 2>in deeper into the research of it is really what

1594
01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:50.840
<v Speaker 2>was going on. So the objectives of Project MK often

1595
01:24:51.000 --> 01:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>exploring the occult and supernatural. By the way, this is

1596
01:24:53.680 --> 01:24:57.000
<v Speaker 2>from medium dot com. I love that fucking website. It's

1597
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:01.079
<v Speaker 2>so it's it's great, so anybody it's ever it's always

1598
01:25:01.119 --> 01:25:06.079
<v Speaker 2>very well documented. So unlike MK Ultra, which focused primarily

1599
01:25:06.119 --> 01:25:10.479
<v Speaker 2>on drugs and psychological Manipulation Project MK often ventured into

1600
01:25:10.560 --> 01:25:13.640
<v Speaker 2>more esoteric territory. The project was launched in the late

1601
01:25:13.720 --> 01:25:17.439
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties with the specific objective of exploring the darker

1602
01:25:17.479 --> 01:25:21.840
<v Speaker 2>fringes of human consciousness, the occult and supernatural phenomena. Some

1603
01:25:21.880 --> 01:25:26.159
<v Speaker 2>of the areas of investigation under MK often included number one,

1604
01:25:26.640 --> 01:25:30.119
<v Speaker 2>the occult. In black magic, the CIA wanted to understand

1605
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:34.279
<v Speaker 2>the potential military applications of black magic and occult practices.

1606
01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:39.079
<v Speaker 2>Just that sentence alone, You're like, what world are we

1607
01:25:39.159 --> 01:25:39.600
<v Speaker 2>living in?

1608
01:25:42.239 --> 01:25:44.960
<v Speaker 3>Because you know, you know what those warfighters need on

1609
01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:45.680
<v Speaker 3>the front lines.

1610
01:25:46.119 --> 01:25:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Some sorcerers, some fucking demons. Yeah, let's bring over the

1611
01:25:49.960 --> 01:25:50.760
<v Speaker 2>dark side.

1612
01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, you're telling me we could just like call upon

1613
01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:55.159
<v Speaker 3>a skin walker to go fuck up the entire front

1614
01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:57.399
<v Speaker 3>line of the enemy and save all of our troops. Listen,

1615
01:25:57.439 --> 01:26:00.000
<v Speaker 3>why are we not funding this, bro? Yeah again, I could.

1616
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:02.920
<v Speaker 3>I already I think a shot called this one. I

1617
01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:05.600
<v Speaker 3>didn't actually think it was gonna happen to that extent,

1618
01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:06.399
<v Speaker 3>but like, here we are.

1619
01:26:06.760 --> 01:26:11.520
<v Speaker 2>This involves studying rituals, symbols, and practices from various occult traditions,

1620
01:26:11.560 --> 01:26:16.199
<v Speaker 2>including Satanism, witchcraft, and voodoo. The agency was interested in

1621
01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:19.960
<v Speaker 2>whether these practices could influence human behavior or be weaponized

1622
01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:22.920
<v Speaker 2>in some way. So the same think about it here

1623
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:26.000
<v Speaker 2>for a second. We just got done, listen, we just

1624
01:26:26.039 --> 01:26:30.279
<v Speaker 2>got done reading about whenever they decided disperse, to disperse

1625
01:26:30.399 --> 01:26:33.960
<v Speaker 2>MK ultra right with Gerald Ford, there was uh, he

1626
01:26:34.039 --> 01:26:40.800
<v Speaker 2>brought in the Rockefeller Foundation, but then also the church. Okay, yeah,

1627
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:43.520
<v Speaker 2>remember they brought apart. I can't remember the specific name

1628
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:45.600
<v Speaker 2>of it, but they brought in some kind of church

1629
01:26:45.640 --> 01:26:47.279
<v Speaker 2>officials to work within the government.

1630
01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.800
<v Speaker 3>Shortly after that commission, the Church commission, that's what that was.

1631
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Shortly after that, they're delving into black magic, satanism, witchcraft,

1632
01:26:55.319 --> 01:26:57.880
<v Speaker 2>and voodoo. Make it make sense?

1633
01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.920
<v Speaker 3>I want to, but I simply can't. But I mean,

1634
01:27:01.960 --> 01:27:05.119
<v Speaker 3>as far as like everybody's saying the government is evil, listen,

1635
01:27:05.399 --> 01:27:08.880
<v Speaker 3>we're not even guessing it at this point, they're showing.

1636
01:27:08.520 --> 01:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>It right in front of you. So good God number two.

1637
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>So after the occult in black magic, they were also

1638
01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:20.199
<v Speaker 2>interested in supernatural phenomena. MK often also explored the possibility

1639
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>of using supernatural forces such as telepathy, clairvoyance, and other

1640
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:28.640
<v Speaker 2>psychic abilities to gather intelligence or manipulate enemies. This overlap

1641
01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:32.319
<v Speaker 2>with the CIA's interest in remote viewing as seen programs

1642
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.479
<v Speaker 2>like Stargate suggested that the agency hope to find real

1643
01:27:35.520 --> 01:27:41.239
<v Speaker 2>world applications for extrasensory perception or ESP or other mystical abilities.

1644
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:44.920
<v Speaker 3>So the people talked about Project Stargate more than a

1645
01:27:44.920 --> 01:27:45.439
<v Speaker 3>few times.

1646
01:27:45.640 --> 01:27:48.720
<v Speaker 2>So the people that look at like, oh, the CIA,

1647
01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:50.760
<v Speaker 2>they were just you know, they were just messing around

1648
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:53.479
<v Speaker 2>with remote viewing. It wasn't theyven really taking very serious.

1649
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, they utilized the fuck.

1650
01:27:56.199 --> 01:27:56.560
<v Speaker 3>Out of it.

1651
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, this is not like, oh, it's just one of

1652
01:27:59.239 --> 01:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>the things. No help them majorly. So anyway, that's just

1653
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:07.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the facets of this program. Number three, of course,

1654
01:28:08.119 --> 01:28:14.520
<v Speaker 2>drug induced paranormal experiences. Building on MK Ultra's research into drugs,

1655
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:19.760
<v Speaker 2>MK often investigated whether certain substances could induce paranormal experiences,

1656
01:28:20.000 --> 01:28:23.439
<v Speaker 2>out of body sensations or altered states of consciousness that

1657
01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:27.600
<v Speaker 2>might be useful for intelligence gathering or psychological manipulation. The

1658
01:28:27.640 --> 01:28:32.159
<v Speaker 2>project involved a number of psychoactive substances, both natural and synthetic,

1659
01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:36.359
<v Speaker 2>in an attempt to enhance individual psychic or supernatural abilities.

1660
01:28:37.399 --> 01:28:39.600
<v Speaker 2>It had to go there, It had to go that.

1661
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:42.680
<v Speaker 3>It simply must like, they can't help themselves.

1662
01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Number four, Behavioral manipulation through occult symbolism. Let's go baby.

1663
01:28:49.680 --> 01:28:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Whenever you're watching the Super Bowl halftime show, you're like,

1664
01:28:52.359 --> 01:28:56.079
<v Speaker 2>why is it that Rihanna's holding up the Illuminati symbol?

1665
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Why is this going on? Whenever you see who was

1666
01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>just the most recent one on stage that was calling

1667
01:29:01.720 --> 01:29:04.399
<v Speaker 2>out Drake Eiadrick Lamoar, Kendrick Lamar, And you see a

1668
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:06.840
<v Speaker 2>lot of the symbolism. There's a little bit of Illuminanti,

1669
01:29:06.880 --> 01:29:11.159
<v Speaker 2>a little bit of Satanism. You're like, why is that? Well, well,

1670
01:29:11.520 --> 01:29:13.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe a little MK often in there. So

1671
01:29:14.359 --> 01:29:17.760
<v Speaker 2>behavioral manipulation through a cult symbolism. Another key objective of

1672
01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:20.760
<v Speaker 2>MK often was to determine whether human behavior could be

1673
01:29:20.880 --> 01:29:25.640
<v Speaker 2>influenced or controlled using occult symbols, rituals, or imagery. The

1674
01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>CIA was particularly interested in the potential for psychological warfare

1675
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:34.079
<v Speaker 2>and whether occult practices could induce fear, confusion, or compliance

1676
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:38.439
<v Speaker 2>in enemies. Enemies meaning your own fucking citizens.

1677
01:29:39.399 --> 01:29:41.159
<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm saying, Yeah, if you were using this

1678
01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:44.119
<v Speaker 3>strictly against your enemies in a war zone or something,

1679
01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:46.479
<v Speaker 3>I'm not even saying that's okay, But like I could

1680
01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:48.800
<v Speaker 3>at least put the pieces together in my head. Right,

1681
01:29:49.760 --> 01:29:55.039
<v Speaker 3>But when what classifies enemy? Right? What do they classify

1682
01:29:55.039 --> 01:29:57.680
<v Speaker 3>as an enemy? Somebody that won't fall in line, for instance,

1683
01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:01.479
<v Speaker 3>could be considered an enemy of the state, homegrown, something

1684
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:03.319
<v Speaker 3>like that. And keep in mind, this is the same

1685
01:30:03.439 --> 01:30:07.520
<v Speaker 3>entity that created Charles Manson and Whitey Bulger, those we

1686
01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:11.640
<v Speaker 3>would call enemies of the state, but they created them.

1687
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:14.560
<v Speaker 3>So where are we really drawing the line here?

1688
01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:16.800
<v Speaker 2>You're either with us or you're against us. That's how

1689
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:17.399
<v Speaker 2>they look at you.

1690
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Higgins always justify the means to these people.

1691
01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Always so so Yeah, occult symbolism, they're absolutely utilizing it

1692
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.600
<v Speaker 2>back then and to today. It's not hard to find

1693
01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:32.399
<v Speaker 2>watch any Disney movie, any of them, any fucking Disney movie,

1694
01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:37.039
<v Speaker 2>you'll find it, Okay, nextly, And that's not just only Disney,

1695
01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:40.479
<v Speaker 2>it's just like the most obvious within Disney. It's really

1696
01:30:40.520 --> 01:30:42.880
<v Speaker 2>all over the place. Whether you're watching a baseball game,

1697
01:30:43.319 --> 01:30:46.600
<v Speaker 2>whether you're watching a Hollywood movie, whether you're watching the news.

1698
01:30:47.079 --> 01:30:51.319
<v Speaker 2>They subconsciously throw out these little suggestions all the time

1699
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and you don't even consciously pick up on them, but

1700
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.479
<v Speaker 2>for some reason, your subconscious does. Because your subconscious records everything,

1701
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:02.039
<v Speaker 2>and this is something that they have taken control of baseball.

1702
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:08.119
<v Speaker 3>You mean Masonic ball, yes, sir, the square on compass.

1703
01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:10.479
<v Speaker 3>It's in how you go to the right handed path

1704
01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:12.399
<v Speaker 3>when you hit the ball. And we did a whole

1705
01:31:12.399 --> 01:31:14.079
<v Speaker 3>episode on it. Ladies and gentlemen, go back and check

1706
01:31:14.119 --> 01:31:16.359
<v Speaker 3>that one out. But like, yeah, it's there's no escaping

1707
01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:16.960
<v Speaker 3>it at.

1708
01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:21.359
<v Speaker 2>This point, absolutely not. So another way that they would

1709
01:31:21.439 --> 01:31:24.800
<v Speaker 2>use it is psychic warfare in mind control. Some of

1710
01:31:24.840 --> 01:31:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the more speculative goals of MK often included the idea

1711
01:31:27.880 --> 01:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>that psychic warfare, using mental powers to influence others, could

1712
01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>be developed into a practical tool for military or espionage purposes.

1713
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:39.840
<v Speaker 2>The CIA explored the possibility that individuals with advanced psychic

1714
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:43.880
<v Speaker 2>abilities could be trained to project thoughts, control others' minds,

1715
01:31:44.119 --> 01:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>and even perform telekinesis.

1716
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I remember us learning about the uh Stargate program,

1717
01:31:52.039 --> 01:31:54.520
<v Speaker 3>and like they the people that were able to do

1718
01:31:54.600 --> 01:31:57.279
<v Speaker 3>the things were people that were able to do the things.

1719
01:31:57.640 --> 01:32:00.640
<v Speaker 3>I all the research that I read, they trying to

1720
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:03.119
<v Speaker 3>get your average normy to be able to unlock those

1721
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:06.800
<v Speaker 3>abilities within themselves. I didn't find any reports showing that

1722
01:32:06.840 --> 01:32:09.720
<v Speaker 3>they were able to successfully do that, but they also

1723
01:32:09.840 --> 01:32:12.880
<v Speaker 3>didn't deny that people some people are born with these

1724
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.600
<v Speaker 3>extra abilities that can't be explained, and they were right

1725
01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:17.840
<v Speaker 3>more often than they were wrong.

1726
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, I don't know, yeah, and that's what

1727
01:32:19.880 --> 01:32:24.359
<v Speaker 2>they say. There was recently a gentleman that went on

1728
01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to the Joe Rogan show. What was his name? Oh god,

1729
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.680
<v Speaker 2>it's escaping me. Anyway, he went onto the show and

1730
01:32:30.720 --> 01:32:34.640
<v Speaker 2>he was part of the remote viewing operation back in

1731
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>the seventies and whatnot, and he said that there were

1732
01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>certain like it's absolutely like a skill. You're born with

1733
01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:43.800
<v Speaker 2>it or you're not. It's something that you can try

1734
01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:46.159
<v Speaker 2>to get good at. Like, for example, I played football

1735
01:32:46.159 --> 01:32:48.039
<v Speaker 2>for twenty years. Doesn't mean that I can just walk

1736
01:32:48.039 --> 01:32:51.399
<v Speaker 2>into the NFL right exactly. And so some people were

1737
01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:53.399
<v Speaker 2>just gifted with it. And that's what he was talking about,

1738
01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:56.720
<v Speaker 2>as far as you know, the telekinesis and remote viewing

1739
01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:59.239
<v Speaker 2>and astro projection and all that other shit, Like some

1740
01:32:59.239 --> 01:33:01.880
<v Speaker 2>people are just take to it easier. And so you're

1741
01:33:01.880 --> 01:33:03.720
<v Speaker 2>going to have your normies that are going to try

1742
01:33:03.720 --> 01:33:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and get in on it, and that's great. I think

1743
01:33:05.199 --> 01:33:09.000
<v Speaker 2>that everybody should be working on it because if either

1744
01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:11.199
<v Speaker 2>work on it or you get worked on is really

1745
01:33:11.199 --> 01:33:14.319
<v Speaker 2>what's really going on here? So this is this is

1746
01:33:14.359 --> 01:33:17.039
<v Speaker 2>something that they were absolutely doing and something that they

1747
01:33:17.079 --> 01:33:20.520
<v Speaker 2>were taking advantage of. Think about it, like, you have

1748
01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the ability to remote view. I know that sounds crazy

1749
01:33:22.800 --> 01:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of people out there. I know that, like, oh,

1750
01:33:25.399 --> 01:33:28.319
<v Speaker 2>that's just their imagination. Well, how were they able to

1751
01:33:28.600 --> 01:33:35.119
<v Speaker 2>find like little hidden caves and offices in Russia without

1752
01:33:35.199 --> 01:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>having any kind of security or any anything. Like, they

1753
01:33:38.920 --> 01:33:40.720
<v Speaker 2>weren't able to go over there and infiltrate, but they

1754
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:45.439
<v Speaker 2>knew via the psychic mind that the Russians were they

1755
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:49.079
<v Speaker 2>had certain military equipment, or they can go into literally

1756
01:33:49.359 --> 01:33:53.319
<v Speaker 2>a locked glove box and find fucking documents and were

1757
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:56.239
<v Speaker 2>able to flip through the pages via remote viewing. In

1758
01:33:56.279 --> 01:33:58.680
<v Speaker 2>their mind, this is something that is confirmed. They were

1759
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:01.560
<v Speaker 2>able to do it. So what is that, you know

1760
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:03.800
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying? Like, so they were absolutely working on it,

1761
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:06.119
<v Speaker 2>not only working on it, honing in on it. So

1762
01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>that leads us to this. So there were key figures

1763
01:34:10.680 --> 01:34:14.119
<v Speaker 2>and collaborators and Project MK often. Project MK often was

1764
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:17.680
<v Speaker 2>overseen by some of the CIA operatives who had been

1765
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:21.880
<v Speaker 2>involved in MK Ultra, reflecting the continuity between the two programs.

1766
01:34:21.960 --> 01:34:23.840
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was dispersed. I thought they weren't doing

1767
01:34:23.880 --> 01:34:25.880
<v Speaker 2>it anymore. Here it's a continuity.

1768
01:34:26.600 --> 01:34:31.720
<v Speaker 3>This happened years after MK ulture was disbanded, right, I thought, So.

1769
01:34:32.000 --> 01:34:35.039
<v Speaker 2>That's what we all thought. So, yeah, there's a little

1770
01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:37.239
<v Speaker 2>bit of continuity there. So among the key figures in

1771
01:34:37.359 --> 01:34:39.680
<v Speaker 2>MK often where Sidney Gottlieb, who we were talking about,

1772
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>is the Black Sorcerer, the chief of the CIA's Technical

1773
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>Services division, and Richard Helms, the CIA director During the

1774
01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:51.399
<v Speaker 2>late sixties and early seventies. In addition to its internal personnel,

1775
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the CIA enlisted a number a number of external experts

1776
01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:59.159
<v Speaker 2>and consultants to contribute to MK often. These included number one,

1777
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:04.600
<v Speaker 2>now they say external experts and consultants, okay, number one

1778
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>occultists and magicians. The CIA recruited well known occult practitioners,

1779
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:14.760
<v Speaker 2>including Satanists, witches, and practic practitioners of voodoo. Some of

1780
01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:18.000
<v Speaker 2>these individuals were tasked with conducting rituals and sharing their

1781
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>knowledge of occult practices, while others may have been directly

1782
01:35:21.119 --> 01:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>involved in experiments meant to test the efficacy of black magic.

1783
01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:29.239
<v Speaker 3>The efficacy of black magic, so these people were getting

1784
01:35:29.239 --> 01:35:33.159
<v Speaker 3>paid tax dollars to come to a government building and

1785
01:35:33.159 --> 01:35:36.880
<v Speaker 3>perform a ritual. Oh yeah, it's kind of crazy, how

1786
01:35:37.359 --> 01:35:39.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, Once again, not to call back to the

1787
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:43.359
<v Speaker 3>former Satanic wizard that came on our show who literally

1788
01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:46.159
<v Speaker 3>said that this was going down, that government officials were

1789
01:35:46.239 --> 01:35:49.199
<v Speaker 3>hiring him and his crew of wizards and witches to

1790
01:35:49.319 --> 01:35:54.319
<v Speaker 3>perform black magic rituals to get a certain response from it.

1791
01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:57.439
<v Speaker 2>So and you know, and your boy was doing that

1792
01:35:57.479 --> 01:35:58.079
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties.

1793
01:35:58.760 --> 01:36:02.560
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, I was going to Bohemian Grove and he

1794
01:36:02.640 --> 01:36:05.359
<v Speaker 3>was meeting all these super wealthy elite people and they

1795
01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:07.800
<v Speaker 3>were asking him to perform sacrifices so that they could

1796
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:10.720
<v Speaker 3>get this or that to happen, and he was getting

1797
01:36:10.760 --> 01:36:13.159
<v Speaker 3>paid through the nose to do it. And he says

1798
01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:16.079
<v Speaker 3>the organization is still doing it today. I believe he

1799
01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:20.800
<v Speaker 3>even named the OTO as that group. You know, everybody

1800
01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:23.399
<v Speaker 3>thought that he was crazy. Everybody thought, there's no way

1801
01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:27.479
<v Speaker 3>that's real, except that once again, you know, the documentation

1802
01:36:27.680 --> 01:36:30.319
<v Speaker 3>certified and verified would say that he was a one

1803
01:36:30.399 --> 01:36:32.000
<v Speaker 3>hundred percent factual. Dude.

1804
01:36:32.079 --> 01:36:35.039
<v Speaker 2>He even talks about his conversation at Bohemian Grove with

1805
01:36:35.119 --> 01:36:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton.

1806
01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Yes, well, and I found that to be odd because

1807
01:36:38.680 --> 01:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I didn't think Bill Clinton would go there. Bohemian Grove

1808
01:36:40.960 --> 01:36:43.920
<v Speaker 3>has seemed to be or has traditionally been the place

1809
01:36:43.960 --> 01:36:47.479
<v Speaker 3>where Republican high heavy elites go to hang. But I guess,

1810
01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:50.479
<v Speaker 3>you know, after the nineties and things kind of certain

1811
01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:51.720
<v Speaker 3>things started to blend a bit.

1812
01:36:51.840 --> 01:36:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I could imagine it wasn't Nixon. Who's the other guy

1813
01:36:54.720 --> 01:36:55.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of? The actor?

1814
01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:58.760
<v Speaker 3>Nixon was there? No, Reagan was there.

1815
01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Reagan was who I was thinking of. I believe that

1816
01:37:01.239 --> 01:37:04.199
<v Speaker 2>it was Ronald Reagan that was asked about Bohemian Grove

1817
01:37:04.520 --> 01:37:06.840
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, that's the most faggy, goddamn thing I've

1818
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:07.319
<v Speaker 2>ever seen.

1819
01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:08.800
<v Speaker 3>That's a Nixon quote.

1820
01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:11.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh is Nixon? Okay? I always give those two.

1821
01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:14.319
<v Speaker 3>But straight up, he was a hardcore, staunch Republican that

1822
01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:17.479
<v Speaker 3>went there multiple times. It's the fast thing I ever seen,

1823
01:37:17.520 --> 01:37:19.520
<v Speaker 3>these men playing naked in the woods, even though you

1824
01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:23.760
<v Speaker 3>went back multiple times. My boy, m yeah, buddy, yeah.

1825
01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:25.479
<v Speaker 3>Once again, if anybody wants to go back and listen

1826
01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:27.760
<v Speaker 3>to those Satanic Wizard episodes that we had him on,

1827
01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:29.800
<v Speaker 3>great guy, love him to death. I would love to

1828
01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:32.560
<v Speaker 3>have him back on here eventually. And he is you know,

1829
01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:35.640
<v Speaker 3>born again Christian found God. He's a hardcore Catholic these days.

1830
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:37.479
<v Speaker 3>I know some people think that's not born again. We're

1831
01:37:37.520 --> 01:37:40.079
<v Speaker 3>not having that talk today. But my point is everything

1832
01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:44.800
<v Speaker 3>that he claimed as wild as crazy as it sounds,

1833
01:37:45.600 --> 01:37:50.960
<v Speaker 3>this article is literally showing and verifying his claims big facts.

1834
01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:53.359
<v Speaker 2>So so you have a cult to some magicians. But

1835
01:37:53.399 --> 01:37:57.760
<v Speaker 2>they also included parapsychologists. So experts in the field of parapsychology,

1836
01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:00.640
<v Speaker 2>which is the study of psychic phenomena, were also brought

1837
01:38:00.720 --> 01:38:04.119
<v Speaker 2>up in the project to provide insight into telepathy, clairvoyance,

1838
01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:08.640
<v Speaker 2>and esp esp related abilities. Their role was to assess

1839
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:12.439
<v Speaker 2>whether these abilities could be harnessed for espionage or military purposes,

1840
01:38:13.079 --> 01:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>which they absolutely were absolutely. Nextly you brought they brought

1841
01:38:17.039 --> 01:38:22.279
<v Speaker 2>in psychiatrists and psychologists. Remember the guy, the the Black

1842
01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Sorcerer was the head of psychiatry within America and the

1843
01:38:26.560 --> 01:38:35.039
<v Speaker 2>United and Canada. Right, that's your psychiatrist, the black fucking Sorcerer. Okay,

1844
01:38:35.159 --> 01:38:38.039
<v Speaker 2>So that just to let you know why people who

1845
01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:42.119
<v Speaker 2>go to mental institutions never get better. That's why, all right, huh,

1846
01:38:43.319 --> 01:38:48.640
<v Speaker 2>So psychologists and psychia psychiatrists and psychologists, rather the project

1847
01:38:48.640 --> 01:38:52.079
<v Speaker 2>relied on mental health professionals to oversee the psychological effects

1848
01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>of drug experiments, occult rituals, and other practices. These professionals

1849
01:38:56.039 --> 01:38:59.119
<v Speaker 2>were often tasked with monitoring the mental states of participants

1850
01:38:59.119 --> 01:39:02.359
<v Speaker 2>in reporting on the impact of these experiments on their behavior.

1851
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.880
<v Speaker 2>So if you remember, you remember watching Freddy.

1852
01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Versus Jason, Oh yeah, one of my favorites, one.

1853
01:39:08.800 --> 01:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Of the best movies ever did. I just love it.

1854
01:39:10.680 --> 01:39:13.359
<v Speaker 2>It was it was perfect for its time and even honestly,

1855
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I feel like it holds up. I just watched it

1856
01:39:14.880 --> 01:39:17.399
<v Speaker 2>like last year. Still love it so solid.

1857
01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:19.239
<v Speaker 3>And that's the kind of horror movies I like, the

1858
01:39:19.319 --> 01:39:23.640
<v Speaker 3>slasher flicks like that. Like I don't like watching demonic

1859
01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:27.520
<v Speaker 3>based things or Coven of Witches things, you know, the conjuring.

1860
01:39:27.600 --> 01:39:28.760
<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm not a fan.

1861
01:39:29.840 --> 01:39:30.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't like that either.

1862
01:39:31.479 --> 01:39:35.279
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, like Saul, Freddy Jason, Lil Mike Myers,

1863
01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.159
<v Speaker 3>these things, and I understand there is still a spirit

1864
01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:41.199
<v Speaker 3>of horror movie in it. There is still a darker

1865
01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:44.199
<v Speaker 3>spirit attached to these movies. I get it. But it's

1866
01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:46.399
<v Speaker 3>also in the realm of like something that could never

1867
01:39:46.479 --> 01:39:48.760
<v Speaker 3>really happen. Freddy Krueger is not gonna come kill you

1868
01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:50.920
<v Speaker 3>in your dream, you know what I mean, Like it's

1869
01:39:50.960 --> 01:39:53.079
<v Speaker 3>it's it's not meant to be that way. And the

1870
01:39:53.119 --> 01:39:55.359
<v Speaker 3>whole storyline and plot of them are so bad that

1871
01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:56.960
<v Speaker 3>they're almost a comedy.

1872
01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:59.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean exactly? Yeah, so it's yeah,

1873
01:40:00.039 --> 01:40:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, but to be fair, Texas Chainsaw Masacre was

1874
01:40:03.319 --> 01:40:04.239
<v Speaker 2>kind of based on truth.

1875
01:40:04.640 --> 01:40:06.680
<v Speaker 3>That's why I left that one out. That's why I

1876
01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:08.520
<v Speaker 3>left that one out. I'm not a big fan of

1877
01:40:08.520 --> 01:40:10.399
<v Speaker 3>that one either. I know that people think that it's

1878
01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:12.359
<v Speaker 3>you know what, I'm not a big fan of it

1879
01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:15.119
<v Speaker 3>because I do know that it was based on some reality.

1880
01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>And yes, I understand that Mike Myers is that kernel

1881
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.079
<v Speaker 3>of truth that was the inspiration behind it, and Jason

1882
01:40:20.279 --> 01:40:21.800
<v Speaker 3>X and all of that. But anyway, to your point,

1883
01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Freddy versus.

1884
01:40:22.479 --> 01:40:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Jason, Yeah, yeah, So anyway, what I was saying about

1885
01:40:25.640 --> 01:40:28.640
<v Speaker 2>that was is that if you remember a lot of

1886
01:40:28.640 --> 01:40:31.359
<v Speaker 2>those people that were around whenever Freddy was haunting their

1887
01:40:31.439 --> 01:40:33.800
<v Speaker 2>nightmares and stuff, a lot of them got shifted off

1888
01:40:33.840 --> 01:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>to the mental ward right, and they were always given

1889
01:40:36.319 --> 01:40:39.399
<v Speaker 2>that medicine to help them forget and also to take

1890
01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:43.279
<v Speaker 2>them out of society so that society could flourish without

1891
01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Freddy Krueger disrupting the entire community.

1892
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:49.039
<v Speaker 3>Right. Meanwhile, medicine would make it to where you couldn't dream.

1893
01:40:49.600 --> 01:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah. So meanwhile old boy escapes the mental institution.

1894
01:40:55.840 --> 01:40:58.039
<v Speaker 2>He escapes it and then goes back to town starts

1895
01:40:58.079 --> 01:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>telling everybody about it, which ultimately ends up being a

1896
01:41:00.560 --> 01:41:04.279
<v Speaker 2>bad thing because then everybody's getting taken out by Freddie.

1897
01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:08.680
<v Speaker 2>So I feel like there's always little bits of remnants

1898
01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:09.920
<v Speaker 2>of truth in movies like.

1899
01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:11.960
<v Speaker 3>This, yep, one hundred percent.

1900
01:41:12.600 --> 01:41:15.720
<v Speaker 2>So now we get into experiments and rituals as far

1901
01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>as MK often goes, it says occult magic and mind control.

1902
01:41:19.119 --> 01:41:21.680
<v Speaker 2>So while much of the documentation related to a Project

1903
01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:24.760
<v Speaker 2>MK often remains classified or has been destroyed, some of

1904
01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:28.159
<v Speaker 2>the more bizarre and ethically questionable experiments have been revealed

1905
01:41:28.199 --> 01:41:32.279
<v Speaker 2>through declassified documents and testimonies. These experiments often involved a

1906
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:36.920
<v Speaker 2>combination of occult rituals, drug administration, and psychological manipulation, creating

1907
01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:40.640
<v Speaker 2>an atmosphere of mystery and danger. So number one occult

1908
01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:43.720
<v Speaker 2>rituals and black magic experiments. So one of the more

1909
01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:48.920
<v Speaker 2>sensational aspects of Project MK often involved the direct participation in,

1910
01:41:49.000 --> 01:41:53.560
<v Speaker 2>the participation in and observation of occult rituals. The CIA

1911
01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:57.479
<v Speaker 2>arranged for witches, voodoo priests, and satanists to perform rituals

1912
01:41:57.520 --> 01:42:00.319
<v Speaker 2>in the presence of Agency operatives to de de Herman

1913
01:42:00.359 --> 01:42:04.039
<v Speaker 2>if these practices could have any measurable effect on human behavior.

1914
01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:09.399
<v Speaker 2>This included ceremonies, invoking supernatural forces, casting spells, and using

1915
01:42:09.479 --> 01:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>ritual symbols designed to manipulate the mind. The agency was

1916
01:42:13.159 --> 01:42:16.439
<v Speaker 2>interested in whether these rituals could induce altered states of

1917
01:42:16.479 --> 01:42:21.039
<v Speaker 2>consciousness or fear responses that might be useful for psychological warfare. However,

1918
01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:23.600
<v Speaker 2>there is little evidence that these rituals had any practical

1919
01:42:23.600 --> 01:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>military application, and many within the CIA were skeptical of

1920
01:42:27.000 --> 01:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>the projects Occult focus experiments.

1921
01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:33.439
<v Speaker 3>Okay, they were skeptic really, just like they did all

1922
01:42:33.439 --> 01:42:36.039
<v Speaker 3>these experiments on MK ulture and they found that, you know,

1923
01:42:36.359 --> 01:42:38.800
<v Speaker 3>oh well, it didn't really make mind control even though

1924
01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:41.199
<v Speaker 3>they continued the practice. Yeah, they may not have had

1925
01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:44.399
<v Speaker 3>a military application, but I'll bet you they had a

1926
01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:47.840
<v Speaker 3>real life practical application that they started using.

1927
01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's where we're going to get a little

1928
01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:53.600
<v Speaker 2>bit more into it. Whenever we're getting into Mockingbird and

1929
01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:57.760
<v Speaker 2>mocking j Okay, that's where this leads to so it's

1930
01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:01.880
<v Speaker 2>not necessarily on foreign enemies, talking about how this application

1931
01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:06.439
<v Speaker 2>is being used against your own people. So then you

1932
01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:10.960
<v Speaker 2>have the drug induced paranormal investigations. So another major focus

1933
01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:13.960
<v Speaker 2>of Project MK often was was the use of psychoactive

1934
01:43:14.039 --> 01:43:18.319
<v Speaker 2>drugs to induce paranormal experiences. Drawing on lessons from MK Ultra,

1935
01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>the CIA administered powerful hallucinogens such as LSD, psilocybin, and

1936
01:43:23.000 --> 01:43:26.680
<v Speaker 2>DMT to test subjects in hopes of unlocking hidden psychic

1937
01:43:26.720 --> 01:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>abilities or supernatural insights. Participants were asked to describe any visions,

1938
01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:34.800
<v Speaker 2>out of body experiences, or telepathic communication they encountered while

1939
01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:38.880
<v Speaker 2>under the influence of these substances. Some reported intense experiences

1940
01:43:38.880 --> 01:43:42.720
<v Speaker 2>that they believed were mystical or paranormal. Although these experiences

1941
01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:46.319
<v Speaker 2>were often inconsistent and unreliable, the agency hoped to find

1942
01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>a way to control or amplify these experiments, but this

1943
01:43:49.399 --> 01:43:52.479
<v Speaker 2>objective proved elusive. As it does, I mean, you're talking

1944
01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:55.600
<v Speaker 2>about a whole other realm that it does not match

1945
01:43:55.640 --> 01:43:58.920
<v Speaker 2>this reality, even hardly in the slightest right, So trying

1946
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:01.560
<v Speaker 2>to harness that, like even the people that are uh

1947
01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:04.920
<v Speaker 2>that are administering that that that d mt X kind

1948
01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:06.920
<v Speaker 2>of a thing that they got going on with the

1949
01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:09.640
<v Speaker 2>regular drip of DMT going into you and trying to

1950
01:44:09.640 --> 01:44:11.760
<v Speaker 2>map out the d MT world and shit like that.

1951
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>I I mean, I'm sure you're you're gonna you're gonna

1952
01:44:14.880 --> 01:44:17.039
<v Speaker 2>hear a lot of very interesting things. But as far

1953
01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:20.520
<v Speaker 2>as being able to harness everything from that world, I

1954
01:44:20.560 --> 01:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>feel like that itself is also going to be proven

1955
01:44:23.159 --> 01:44:24.439
<v Speaker 2>to be elusive as well.

1956
01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I mean, try to make that make sense to a

1957
01:44:27.640 --> 01:44:31.199
<v Speaker 3>government three letter agency pencil pusher who's documenting what he's

1958
01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:35.600
<v Speaker 3>looking at Like that's it's they not to quote biblical here,

1959
01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:38.399
<v Speaker 3>but they don't have eyes to see what they're looking at.

1960
01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:41.520
<v Speaker 3>You see what I'm saying. It's just it doesn't necessarily compute.

1961
01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:46.199
<v Speaker 2>No, not really, I mean you're talking about other worldly shit.

1962
01:44:46.600 --> 01:44:50.239
<v Speaker 2>So right anyway, Uh, there is the next one. It

1963
01:44:50.279 --> 01:44:52.359
<v Speaker 2>dives a little bit more into the occult symbolism and

1964
01:44:52.359 --> 01:44:58.199
<v Speaker 2>psychological warfare. So MK ulture's experiments and behavior modification. Behavior

1965
01:44:58.439 --> 01:45:04.439
<v Speaker 2>modification okay often included psychological manipulation techniques, and mk often

1966
01:45:04.520 --> 01:45:08.359
<v Speaker 2>sought to extend this research by incorporating occult symbolism. CIA

1967
01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:13.079
<v Speaker 2>operatives experimented with exposing subjects to symbols associated with fear, death,

1968
01:45:13.079 --> 01:45:16.119
<v Speaker 2>and mystical power to determine whether these symbols could affect

1969
01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>the subconscious mind. For example, oh boy. For example, pentagrams, skulls,

1970
01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:24.680
<v Speaker 2>and occult sigils were used in an attempt to create

1971
01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:29.399
<v Speaker 2>psychological associations with danger, submission, or altered mental states. The

1972
01:45:29.479 --> 01:45:33.079
<v Speaker 2>agency theorized that such symbols, combined with other forms of

1973
01:45:33.079 --> 01:45:37.359
<v Speaker 2>psychological manipulation, might be used to break down an individual's

1974
01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>mental defense during interrogation or warfare.

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01:45:41.159 --> 01:45:44.840
<v Speaker 3>I find that to be interesting because, I mean, the

1976
01:45:44.880 --> 01:45:46.800
<v Speaker 3>skull is a symbol that's been used for so many

1977
01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:48.920
<v Speaker 3>different things, for so many different purposes, by so many

1978
01:45:48.960 --> 01:45:53.000
<v Speaker 3>different cultures, some very good, some very bad. Whatever. The

1979
01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:56.039
<v Speaker 3>pentagram very similar. It actually has its basis as a

1980
01:45:56.119 --> 01:45:59.479
<v Speaker 3>Christian sigil. It got taken in use and inverted by

1981
01:45:59.560 --> 01:46:02.920
<v Speaker 3>the state forces, and all these things. The whole thing

1982
01:46:02.960 --> 01:46:06.960
<v Speaker 3>of like instantly getting a fear of danger or something

1983
01:46:07.039 --> 01:46:10.359
<v Speaker 3>like that, or death from seeing these things. Were they

1984
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:12.680
<v Speaker 3>just trying to see how people would respond to them,

1985
01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:16.199
<v Speaker 3>Because if so, there's century's worth of documentation to show

1986
01:46:16.239 --> 01:46:20.479
<v Speaker 3>that people saw these as potentially holy symbols. At one point.

1987
01:46:20.560 --> 01:46:23.840
<v Speaker 3>So that's what I'm saying. I'm wondering what their results were.

1988
01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:25.479
<v Speaker 3>As far as that's concerned, it's.

1989
01:46:25.439 --> 01:46:31.079
<v Speaker 2>How the individual's mental defense would withstand during interrogation and warfare.

1990
01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:35.600
<v Speaker 2>So it's using those symbols that have been around forever.

1991
01:46:35.760 --> 01:46:37.960
<v Speaker 2>But how does it pertain to what we're trying to

1992
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:38.760
<v Speaker 2>achieve within.

1993
01:46:38.640 --> 01:46:40.359
<v Speaker 3>This got you? Got you?

1994
01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>So? Then there were obviously the ethical and legal issues

1995
01:46:44.640 --> 01:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>surrounding Project MK often Shocker right. So, like MK Ultra,

1996
01:46:48.920 --> 01:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>MK often raised serious ethical concerns. The program involved experimentation

1997
01:46:52.960 --> 01:46:56.439
<v Speaker 2>on human subjects, often without their informed consent. Participants in

1998
01:46:56.520 --> 01:47:00.159
<v Speaker 2>MK often drug experiments, were sometimes unaware of what substances

1999
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>they were being given or the full extent of the

2000
01:47:02.880 --> 01:47:06.640
<v Speaker 2>psychological and physiological effects that they might experience. The ethical

2001
01:47:06.720 --> 01:47:10.520
<v Speaker 2>ramifications of conducting a cult rituals and subjecting participants to

2002
01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:16.159
<v Speaker 2>fear based psychological manipulation also raise serious questions. Yeah, while

2003
01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the full extent of MK often's legal ramifications is unknown,

2004
01:47:19.920 --> 01:47:25.359
<v Speaker 2>the project secrecy shielded it from public scrutiny during its operation. However,

2005
01:47:25.479 --> 01:47:28.199
<v Speaker 2>as with MK Ultra, the exposure of the program in

2006
01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:31.479
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies through congressional hearings led to public outrage

2007
01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:36.199
<v Speaker 2>of the CIA's disregard for ethical standards and research. Yeah,

2008
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:38.039
<v Speaker 2>we need to just get rid of the fucking CIA,

2009
01:47:38.159 --> 01:47:42.039
<v Speaker 2>get rid of dismantle to CIA. You're done, You're done, now,

2010
01:47:42.279 --> 01:47:43.800
<v Speaker 2>why are you? Why are they still around?

2011
01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:46.680
<v Speaker 3>I agree that we do need some sort of an

2012
01:47:47.359 --> 01:47:51.760
<v Speaker 3>international intelligence agency. I get it. I really do. We

2013
01:47:51.840 --> 01:47:54.000
<v Speaker 3>need spies in other countries to let us know what

2014
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:56.880
<v Speaker 3>they're planning next, if they are enemies or whatever the case.

2015
01:47:56.880 --> 01:48:00.279
<v Speaker 2>To monitor, to monitor. That's it for.

2016
01:48:00.399 --> 01:48:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Other fucking countries. Bro. We had the FBI for the

2017
01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:09.760
<v Speaker 3>internal shit. Why the fuck is all of this involved

2018
01:48:09.760 --> 01:48:13.359
<v Speaker 3>with our international organization rather than our national If we're

2019
01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:16.279
<v Speaker 3>doing it on our own fucking people, this is where

2020
01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:17.079
<v Speaker 3>I have a problem.

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01:48:17.439 --> 01:48:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, you're an enemy CIA.

2022
01:48:20.439 --> 01:48:24.000
<v Speaker 3>You are the enemy, an enemy of the state, an

2023
01:48:24.119 --> 01:48:25.680
<v Speaker 3>enemy of the people. Yes.

2024
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>JFK tried to take him down. Remember Gorilla's by night.

2025
01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh, this is what he was referring to him.

2026
01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:35.359
<v Speaker 3>Nixon used them for his own purposes, i e. The

2027
01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:38.119
<v Speaker 3>Watergate stand or right, he had his plumbers that were

2028
01:48:38.159 --> 01:48:41.319
<v Speaker 3>sent out to find the leaks. If you will, next thing,

2029
01:48:41.319 --> 01:48:44.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, Lbj's using them for all of his shit. Well,

2030
01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:46.079
<v Speaker 3>I say, next thing, you know, he came after, he

2031
01:48:46.119 --> 01:48:47.600
<v Speaker 3>came before Nixon. But it's not the point. Is that

2032
01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:50.479
<v Speaker 3>the point? Okay, they were still doing this shit well

2033
01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:53.520
<v Speaker 3>into the seventies, well into the eighties and into the nineties,

2034
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:57.279
<v Speaker 3>and just a little little tidbit of information for everybody.

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01:48:57.479 --> 01:49:00.479
<v Speaker 3>They didn't stop after nine to eleven. They just brought

2036
01:49:00.479 --> 01:49:03.039
<v Speaker 3>it to a different level, a different caliber, if you will.

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01:49:03.479 --> 01:49:07.079
<v Speaker 2>Uh. Yeah, everybody in the CIA whenever Trump got elected,

2038
01:49:07.199 --> 01:49:11.760
<v Speaker 2>was entirely against Trump, entirely against him. They tried to

2039
01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:14.359
<v Speaker 2>do everything they could to try and sue him, to

2040
01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:16.359
<v Speaker 2>try and make him look like the bad guy. You

2041
01:49:16.399 --> 01:49:19.199
<v Speaker 2>have the mockingbird media that is out there parroting what

2042
01:49:19.319 --> 01:49:22.159
<v Speaker 2>everybody's saying. Nobody has a fucking original thought because that

2043
01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:24.720
<v Speaker 2>all they do is they just listen to the subconscious

2044
01:49:24.760 --> 01:49:28.840
<v Speaker 2>programming by CNN and even Fox News if some Fox

2045
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:32.359
<v Speaker 2>News is not like, they're absolutely complicit in this, right.

2046
01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:34.439
<v Speaker 3>So the same thing, just the opposite side of the coin.

2047
01:49:34.520 --> 01:49:36.520
<v Speaker 3>But that's the same thing. They're still mockingbird and it

2048
01:49:36.600 --> 01:49:39.119
<v Speaker 3>and mocking Jy and all that. They're just regurgitating whatever

2049
01:49:39.119 --> 01:49:41.640
<v Speaker 3>they're told to repeat. That's why you have people like

2050
01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:46.640
<v Speaker 3>I know, a controversial figure to some Tucker Carlson when

2051
01:49:46.680 --> 01:49:50.239
<v Speaker 3>he left, and it was Megan Kelly when they left

2052
01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:52.439
<v Speaker 3>Fox News, and they're able to say whatever the fuck

2053
01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:55.760
<v Speaker 3>they want. Do you notice that their ratings go sky

2054
01:49:56.000 --> 01:49:58.199
<v Speaker 3>high as opposed to Fox News that have kind of

2055
01:49:58.239 --> 01:49:59.800
<v Speaker 3>stayed stagnant. There's a reason.

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01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah. So anyway, anyway, so the CIA behavioral

2057
01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:09.920
<v Speaker 2>research programs began to wind down. The reasons for the

2058
01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:14.600
<v Speaker 2>program's decline were likely multifaceted. So the lack number one,

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<v Speaker 2>the lack of consistent results. Of course, you're not gonna

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01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:21.560
<v Speaker 2>find consistency in any any occult magic, any kind of

2061
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:24.600
<v Speaker 2>anything like that. It's there's so many facets whenever it

2062
01:50:24.640 --> 01:50:27.399
<v Speaker 2>comes to witchcraft and magic and all that shit.

2063
01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:29.640
<v Speaker 3>Like you have a guy you talked to that does

2064
01:50:29.680 --> 01:50:32.479
<v Speaker 3>sacrifices and he has a ninety nine percent success rate.

2065
01:50:32.720 --> 01:50:34.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yeah, I don't know if they were

2066
01:50:34.079 --> 01:50:37.399
<v Speaker 2>performing sacrifices. Now, they didn't say anything about sacrifices, so

2067
01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:41.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe they were. But I mean, honestly, I think that.

2068
01:50:42.479 --> 01:50:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Even said that in the article earlier they were doing this,

2069
01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:47.720
<v Speaker 3>that the officials could document what it was to see

2070
01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:49.680
<v Speaker 3>if they would have some sort of a military use,

2071
01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:52.520
<v Speaker 3>and they may have said, you know, on their paperwork,

2072
01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:56.680
<v Speaker 3>this voodoo practice, right, this sacrificing of this chicken or something,

2073
01:50:57.079 --> 01:51:01.640
<v Speaker 3>no military use available subdendum, second page, super useful for

2074
01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:05.039
<v Speaker 3>personal gains. We definitely need to start investing more heavily

2075
01:51:05.039 --> 01:51:07.199
<v Speaker 3>in this. But about Yeah, the official report said there

2076
01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:09.600
<v Speaker 3>was no military use. That does not mean that there

2077
01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:12.239
<v Speaker 3>was no real life application. Yeah.

2078
01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:17.439
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, So the uh, the black magicians out there, they're there.

2079
01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:19.680
<v Speaker 2>Let's just say that there their batting average is a

2080
01:51:19.720 --> 01:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>little bit higher.

2081
01:51:21.159 --> 01:51:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Which is what these people were, right. They were calling

2082
01:51:23.880 --> 01:51:27.319
<v Speaker 3>upon black magicians, occultists, and voodoo practitioners. And I'm sure

2083
01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:30.199
<v Speaker 3>there were some santarea practitioners. I'm sure there were some

2084
01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:34.119
<v Speaker 3>like far Eastern philosophical uh dark occult practitioners that were

2085
01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:36.720
<v Speaker 3>in this mix as well. This is again, y'all, this

2086
01:51:36.760 --> 01:51:39.319
<v Speaker 3>is a segment of the information. This is not the

2087
01:51:39.479 --> 01:51:41.640
<v Speaker 3>entire story of MK often so.

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01:51:42.039 --> 01:51:45.279
<v Speaker 2>It's uh, yeah, it was it led to the Okay,

2089
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:47.279
<v Speaker 2>let me read this real quick. So it says lack

2090
01:51:47.319 --> 01:51:50.399
<v Speaker 2>of consistent results. It says while the projects experiments produced

2091
01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:55.359
<v Speaker 2>some intriguing anecdotes, while there was little consistent or reliable

2092
01:51:55.359 --> 01:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>evidence that occult rituals, psychic abilities, or paranormal experience experiences

2093
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:03.760
<v Speaker 2>could be harnessed for practical military use. The erratic nature,

2094
01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the erratic nature of the of the results, combined with

2095
01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:11.279
<v Speaker 2>skepticism within the intelligence community, contributed to the programs to decline.

2096
01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:14.239
<v Speaker 2>I would actually guess that it was more so the

2097
01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:19.600
<v Speaker 2>skepticism from within than the actual results not working.

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01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:24.359
<v Speaker 3>Practical military use. I feel like they just kind of

2099
01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:26.960
<v Speaker 3>glazed over that word. I feel like that's the critical

2100
01:52:27.039 --> 01:52:29.880
<v Speaker 3>word of all of this. So what they're saying essentially

2101
01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:33.000
<v Speaker 3>is that, yes, these things, there's some interesting stuff with it,

2102
01:52:33.079 --> 01:52:37.119
<v Speaker 3>but we don't see how the army infantry could use

2103
01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:41.800
<v Speaker 3>this to better their their advantages. Okay, the army may

2104
01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:45.199
<v Speaker 3>not be able to, but I bet the you know,

2105
01:52:45.920 --> 01:52:47.239
<v Speaker 3>the White House could.

2106
01:52:47.920 --> 01:52:50.119
<v Speaker 2>For sure for sure. Well, the guy that I was

2107
01:52:50.119 --> 01:52:51.880
<v Speaker 2>thinking of it just came to me, how put off.

2108
01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:53.960
<v Speaker 2>So if you listen to that interview, how put off

2109
01:52:53.960 --> 01:52:56.880
<v Speaker 2>on the Joe Rogan experience, fucking one of his best

2110
01:52:56.880 --> 01:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>shows in my personal experience. So Number two, public exposure

2111
01:53:02.960 --> 01:53:06.560
<v Speaker 2>and political pressure. As the US government faced increasing scrutiny

2112
01:53:06.600 --> 01:53:09.039
<v Speaker 2>over its secret programs in the wake of the Watergate scandal,

2113
01:53:09.239 --> 01:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>many of the CIA's covert research projects came under investigation.

2114
01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:17.319
<v Speaker 2>The Church Committee and other congressional bodies exposed the ethical

2115
01:53:17.399 --> 01:53:20.560
<v Speaker 2>lapses and legal violations involved in projects like MK Ultra,

2116
01:53:20.880 --> 01:53:24.079
<v Speaker 2>and this exposure extended to MK often.

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01:53:25.840 --> 01:53:28.159
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if this had anything to do with the

2118
01:53:28.159 --> 01:53:32.399
<v Speaker 3>Satanic panic of the seventies, eighties and nineties around the

2119
01:53:32.439 --> 01:53:34.760
<v Speaker 3>time when this was getting quote unquote wrapped up.

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01:53:35.319 --> 01:53:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, Oh yeah, they always liked the shift blame and

2121
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:41.199
<v Speaker 2>maintain their innocence.

2122
01:53:41.119 --> 01:53:44.760
<v Speaker 3>Denyed, denied, deny, make counter accusations, implement others. There's a

2123
01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:47.399
<v Speaker 3>whole there's an arc to this. There's like a rubric

2124
01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:48.159
<v Speaker 3>that they go off of.

2125
01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:51.439
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and you could see this even like if you

2126
01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:54.880
<v Speaker 2>go back to the Hillary versus Trump campaign back in

2127
01:53:54.920 --> 01:53:58.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen time, you could see at Big Time,

2128
01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:00.640
<v Speaker 2>everything that she was alleging the true was a part

2129
01:54:00.680 --> 01:54:03.479
<v Speaker 2>of was something that she was actually carrying out herself.

2130
01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:06.880
<v Speaker 2>So this is that this is that MK ultra in

2131
01:54:06.920 --> 01:54:09.920
<v Speaker 2>a sense, because if you hear that Donald Trump is

2132
01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:12.600
<v Speaker 2>doing all these things and it already sounds like what

2133
01:54:12.840 --> 01:54:15.359
<v Speaker 2>he's doing that that's crazy. I can't believe it. But

2134
01:54:15.359 --> 01:54:17.560
<v Speaker 2>then you start to really take it in and then

2135
01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:21.079
<v Speaker 2>you hear the counter argument of no, Trump is saying, dude,

2136
01:54:21.119 --> 01:54:23.199
<v Speaker 2>she's saying all this about me. She is the fucking

2137
01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:26.159
<v Speaker 2>one doing it. And so then people just like dismiss

2138
01:54:26.199 --> 01:54:27.800
<v Speaker 2>it because I don't know what to believe. I don't

2139
01:54:27.840 --> 01:54:30.720
<v Speaker 2>know who to believe, you know, unless you're like blue

2140
01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:32.960
<v Speaker 2>no matter who, or red no matter what, or whatever

2141
01:54:32.960 --> 01:54:35.640
<v Speaker 2>the fucking saying goes. It's like the people that are

2142
01:54:35.640 --> 01:54:38.279
<v Speaker 2>in between just trying to search for actual truth. It's

2143
01:54:38.319 --> 01:54:40.680
<v Speaker 2>hard to really distinguish what the truth is. And that

2144
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:44.560
<v Speaker 2>is part of really the MK ultra in and of itself,

2145
01:54:44.600 --> 01:54:47.640
<v Speaker 2>because that's how they shrouded in secrecy by confusing you.

2146
01:54:48.399 --> 01:54:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one hundred percent.

2147
01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:54.560
<v Speaker 2>So then anyway, you have a shift in intelligence priorities.

2148
01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:58.199
<v Speaker 2>By the mid nineteen seventies, the intelligence communities focus shifted

2149
01:54:58.279 --> 01:55:02.359
<v Speaker 2>away from behavioral and cult research toward more conventional methods

2150
01:55:02.399 --> 01:55:05.760
<v Speaker 2>of intelligence gathering. As the Cold War progressed, resources were

2151
01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:11.640
<v Speaker 2>redirected toward technological advancements and surveillance, signals, intelligence, and cryptography.

2152
01:55:13.239 --> 01:55:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I find it hard to believe that you would just

2153
01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:16.920
<v Speaker 2>throw all that research out the window. And not use

2154
01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:23.119
<v Speaker 2>it anymore whenever you come upon higher advance technology.

2155
01:55:23.319 --> 01:55:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Right, But I mean that's the thing. Would you consider

2156
01:55:25.760 --> 01:55:29.640
<v Speaker 3>this necessarily higher advanced technology? Like I don't know if

2157
01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:34.239
<v Speaker 3>I would call a cult ritualism necessarily advanced technology.

2158
01:55:34.239 --> 01:55:37.279
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, I'm saying that they scrapped all this for

2159
01:55:37.479 --> 01:55:40.039
<v Speaker 2>advanced technology such as surveillance and shit like that.

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01:55:41.239 --> 01:55:43.239
<v Speaker 3>I see, I see, I say, but I don't know why.

2161
01:55:43.079 --> 01:55:45.399
<v Speaker 2>You would separate the two. Why wouldn't you combine.

2162
01:55:45.079 --> 01:55:48.279
<v Speaker 3>Them, right? You know, like they probably did.

2163
01:55:48.520 --> 01:55:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I think they absolutely did. It's not even

2164
01:55:50.560 --> 01:55:53.520
<v Speaker 2>a question. So then it gets into the legacy of

2165
01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:56.279
<v Speaker 2>Project MK, often a dark chapter in the CIA history.

2166
01:55:56.760 --> 01:55:59.359
<v Speaker 2>At Project MK, often, like at sibling MK, Altro, left

2167
01:55:59.399 --> 01:56:02.720
<v Speaker 2>behind a legacy of controversy, secrecy, and ethical debate. The

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01:56:02.760 --> 01:56:05.399
<v Speaker 2>project is a reminder of the lengths to which the

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01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:07.720
<v Speaker 2>US government was willing to go during the Cold War

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01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>in its quest to gain a strategic advantage over its adversaries.

2171
01:56:11.159 --> 01:56:14.960
<v Speaker 2>The exploration of occult practices and paranormal phenomena, while fascinating,

2172
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:18.600
<v Speaker 2>ultimately produced little in the way of concrete military applications,

2173
01:56:18.720 --> 01:56:22.119
<v Speaker 2>and the program's legacy remains tied to the broader ethical

2174
01:56:22.119 --> 01:56:26.319
<v Speaker 2>failures of CIA behavioral research during the Cold War era. Today,

2175
01:56:26.439 --> 01:56:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Project MK often is often referenced as one of the

2176
01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:32.560
<v Speaker 2>more bizarre and extreme examples of US government's covert experimentation

2177
01:56:32.640 --> 01:56:36.399
<v Speaker 2>with human behavior. Its involvement with ocult rituals, psychic abilities,

2178
01:56:36.439 --> 01:56:39.520
<v Speaker 2>and drug induced paranormal investigations serves as a reminder of

2179
01:56:39.560 --> 01:56:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the darker, more experimental side of Cold War espionage. So,

2180
01:56:45.199 --> 01:56:47.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, think about it like this, They if we're

2181
01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to go off of their story, they scrap it. It's

2182
01:56:50.600 --> 01:56:53.680
<v Speaker 2>hard to really harness it. It's hard to really you know,

2183
01:56:53.800 --> 01:56:59.680
<v Speaker 2>have absolute control over it. They scrap it for advanced

2184
01:57:00.399 --> 01:57:06.000
<v Speaker 2>technological surveillance, they scrap it for signals intelligence and cryptography.

2185
01:57:06.239 --> 01:57:09.800
<v Speaker 2>So they found something that was more productive than what

2186
01:57:09.960 --> 01:57:13.560
<v Speaker 2>they were receiving as far as manipulating the human mind.

2187
01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:19.039
<v Speaker 2>So instead of performing rituals and occult practices and satanism,

2188
01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:23.279
<v Speaker 2>instead of doing that, they found a more practical and

2189
01:57:23.399 --> 01:57:30.760
<v Speaker 2>more beneficial use by harnessing these technological advancements. So whenever

2190
01:57:30.760 --> 01:57:35.199
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about surveillance, surveillance or surveillance, whenever you're talking

2191
01:57:35.199 --> 01:57:39.439
<v Speaker 2>about that, they're saying right here that they found a

2192
01:57:39.560 --> 01:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>way to be able to surveil you better than remote

2193
01:57:43.800 --> 01:57:47.159
<v Speaker 2>viewing you. Okay, So now we're getting into all the

2194
01:57:47.239 --> 01:57:49.399
<v Speaker 2>different ways in which they surveil you. And we're not

2195
01:57:49.439 --> 01:57:52.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about just camera systems. We're talking about the apps

2196
01:57:53.000 --> 01:57:55.439
<v Speaker 2>that are collecting all of your information on your phone.

2197
01:57:55.600 --> 01:57:58.159
<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the TV shows that you're watching that

2198
01:57:58.199 --> 01:58:01.479
<v Speaker 2>are constantly being documented, talking about the conversations that you

2199
01:58:01.560 --> 01:58:03.399
<v Speaker 2>hold in private, but you just so happen to have

2200
01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:06.199
<v Speaker 2>your phone in your pocket and that's monitoring you the

2201
01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:09.399
<v Speaker 2>entire time. We're talking about that little redfucking dot at

2202
01:58:09.439 --> 01:58:12.600
<v Speaker 2>the top of your phone that is always there, always listening,

2203
01:58:12.800 --> 01:58:16.600
<v Speaker 2>always watching, knows you better than you know your fucking self.

2204
01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:20.439
<v Speaker 2>That's the type that Edward Snowden was talking about whenever

2205
01:58:20.479 --> 01:58:22.479
<v Speaker 2>he was blaring the whistle and why he has to

2206
01:58:22.560 --> 01:58:24.720
<v Speaker 2>hide in Russia, That's what he's talking about.

2207
01:58:25.439 --> 01:58:28.359
<v Speaker 3>And again, like using this for the purpose of surveillance,

2208
01:58:28.920 --> 01:58:32.239
<v Speaker 3>I could see that being not as efficient, if you will,

2209
01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:35.479
<v Speaker 3>because like they had microphones and cameras and like hidden

2210
01:58:35.560 --> 01:58:38.079
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that even while Nixon was in office, right,

2211
01:58:38.119 --> 01:58:40.960
<v Speaker 3>That's what the Watergate was about. They were planting listening

2212
01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.239
<v Speaker 3>devices and taking pictures of all the all the paperwork

2213
01:58:44.279 --> 01:58:46.520
<v Speaker 3>and things like that. Nixon recorded every single thing that

2214
01:58:46.560 --> 01:58:48.840
<v Speaker 3>ever took place in the Oval office and like so

2215
01:58:48.920 --> 01:58:52.239
<v Speaker 3>they already had bugs and wires and stuff like that.

2216
01:58:52.760 --> 01:58:55.119
<v Speaker 3>But even after they had that, they started looking into

2217
01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:57.960
<v Speaker 3>astra projection. They started looking into black magic and occult

2218
01:58:58.039 --> 01:59:04.039
<v Speaker 3>rituals and things like that for the principle of intelligence gathering. Yeah,

2219
01:59:04.039 --> 01:59:05.960
<v Speaker 3>I bet they did kind of throw black magic in

2220
01:59:06.319 --> 01:59:09.279
<v Speaker 3>all these things by the wayside, But that doesn't mean

2221
01:59:09.319 --> 01:59:12.079
<v Speaker 3>they didn't find any practical uses for it. That just

2222
01:59:12.159 --> 01:59:14.920
<v Speaker 3>means that they didn't start using it for this purpose

2223
01:59:15.039 --> 01:59:18.600
<v Speaker 3>or for military advantage purposes, but we're still used it

2224
01:59:18.600 --> 01:59:19.079
<v Speaker 3>for others.

2225
01:59:19.319 --> 01:59:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Or they used it as a tool to learn from

2226
01:59:22.920 --> 01:59:25.319
<v Speaker 2>to be able to develop technology that could do it

2227
01:59:25.359 --> 01:59:30.920
<v Speaker 2>better exactly exactly. So it's sick really. So anyway, that

2228
01:59:31.039 --> 01:59:34.000
<v Speaker 2>leads us into Mockingbird. Wherever here we're talking about mka aulture,

2229
01:59:34.000 --> 01:59:37.199
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about controlling people's minds, wiping it absolutely clean,

2230
01:59:37.680 --> 01:59:41.760
<v Speaker 2>injecting the use of drugs and sigils and symbols that

2231
01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:47.159
<v Speaker 2>you see on TV, including occult practices and satanic witchcraft

2232
01:59:47.279 --> 01:59:49.960
<v Speaker 2>and all this other crazy shit. Well, how are they

2233
01:59:50.119 --> 01:59:54.079
<v Speaker 2>employing and administering that in today's world. That's where we

2234
01:59:54.159 --> 01:59:58.039
<v Speaker 2>lead into Project Mockingbird. Now, this was something that was

2235
01:59:58.079 --> 02:00:00.159
<v Speaker 2>going on back in the Cold War as well, and

2236
02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:03.640
<v Speaker 2>there's also something that stems even from this. So I

2237
02:00:03.680 --> 02:00:07.479
<v Speaker 2>wanted to draw comparisons that what MK Ultra is to

2238
02:00:07.640 --> 02:00:12.960
<v Speaker 2>MK often is what Project Mockingbird is to Project mocking J.

2239
02:00:13.880 --> 02:00:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, So let's.

2240
02:00:15.640 --> 02:00:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Start out with Project Mockingbird first and then we'll get

2241
02:00:18.319 --> 02:00:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to Project mocking J or Operation I'm sorry, I keep

2242
02:00:22.880 --> 02:00:28.319
<v Speaker 2>on Project Operation. Same shit. So Project Mockingbird or Operation

2243
02:00:28.439 --> 02:00:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Mockingbird was a real CIA program launched during the early

2244
02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Cold War era designed to infiltrate, influence, and control American

2245
02:00:36.199 --> 02:00:39.960
<v Speaker 2>and foreign media outlets. While some parts of it remain

2246
02:00:40.039 --> 02:00:43.960
<v Speaker 2>classified or disrupted, it's widely accepted, based on Senate testimony

2247
02:00:44.000 --> 02:00:48.920
<v Speaker 2>and declassified documents, that the CIA actively manipulated journalists and

2248
02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:53.439
<v Speaker 2>news organizations to shape public perception and control narratives at

2249
02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:58.199
<v Speaker 2>home and abroad. So that's where we that's already sinister.

2250
02:00:58.600 --> 02:01:03.840
<v Speaker 2>It's already sinister every way. So here we go. Operation Mockingbird,

2251
02:01:03.960 --> 02:01:08.239
<v Speaker 2>the CIA's secret war on truth through press. The origins

2252
02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:11.920
<v Speaker 2>began back in the late nineteen forties under Franks Weisner

2253
02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:16.399
<v Speaker 2>or Wisner, the head of the CIA's Office of Policy Coordination,

2254
02:01:16.600 --> 02:01:20.640
<v Speaker 2>or OPC. The goal was to counter Soviet propaganda during

2255
02:01:20.640 --> 02:01:24.159
<v Speaker 2>the Cold War by establishing a pro American media influence network.

2256
02:01:24.520 --> 02:01:28.039
<v Speaker 2>The objectives were to recruit journalists as assets to write

2257
02:01:28.079 --> 02:01:32.359
<v Speaker 2>pro United States and anti Communist propaganda. They wanted to

2258
02:01:32.479 --> 02:01:37.319
<v Speaker 2>also plant false or manipulated stories in domestic and international media.

2259
02:01:37.920 --> 02:01:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Why would you need to do it in domestic why? Indeed,

2260
02:01:42.439 --> 02:01:46.600
<v Speaker 2>they wanted to control editorial lines in newspapers, magazines, radio,

2261
02:01:46.720 --> 02:01:50.119
<v Speaker 2>and then later TV. They wanted to influence public opinion

2262
02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:53.600
<v Speaker 2>without citizens knowing that it came from the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>The third party, a little contractor work for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, you know this because we wanted you know it.

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02:02:00.520 --> 02:02:03.560
<v Speaker 2>Kind of shit. So how it worked. They would pay

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<v Speaker 2>journalists to insert intelligence intelligence approved narratives into mainstream news,

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02:02:09.359 --> 02:02:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Intelligence improved approved narratives. So every all the storylines, everything

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<v Speaker 2>that you see in the newspapers, on TV, and all

2269
02:02:17.800 --> 02:02:22.079
<v Speaker 2>that shit has been run through the filter of the CIA. Okay, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 2>And then it funded front organizations like the National Student

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02:02:26.840 --> 02:02:31.760
<v Speaker 2>Association and academic journals to subtly shift public opinion. Sleight

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02:02:31.800 --> 02:02:33.520
<v Speaker 2>of handshit right here, okay.

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02:02:33.319 --> 02:02:35.760
<v Speaker 3>One hundred percent, look over here, not what's going on

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02:02:35.840 --> 02:02:36.560
<v Speaker 3>behind the curtain.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you see me baby? Oh, which, by the way,

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02:02:38.920 --> 02:02:40.119
<v Speaker 2>you know they're coming out with the new now you

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<v Speaker 2>see me.

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02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:41.880
<v Speaker 3>A third one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn, I bring bringing all the original cast and

2280
02:02:46.079 --> 02:02:48.079
<v Speaker 2>then there's gonna be new magicians in there too. I

2281
02:02:48.359 --> 02:02:49.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking love those movies.

2282
02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:51.880
<v Speaker 3>I do. I love those movies. They're pretty sick.

2283
02:02:52.600 --> 02:02:55.960
<v Speaker 2>So back to it. It says they manipulated foreign news

2284
02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:59.079
<v Speaker 2>agencies whose stories would be picked up by US outlets

2285
02:02:59.279 --> 02:03:01.279
<v Speaker 2>or a feedback loop of manipulation.

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02:03:02.760 --> 02:03:03.439
<v Speaker 3>This is sick.

2287
02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:05.800
<v Speaker 2>It's so genius. It's so genius.

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02:03:06.279 --> 02:03:08.039
<v Speaker 3>They got to know if they got the right response,

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02:03:08.119 --> 02:03:10.319
<v Speaker 3>that they can either pump more into it or shift

2290
02:03:10.319 --> 02:03:12.640
<v Speaker 3>gears slightly. They have to get everybody in. You got

2291
02:03:12.640 --> 02:03:14.840
<v Speaker 3>to keep them within the lane, bro, within the left

2292
02:03:14.840 --> 02:03:15.960
<v Speaker 3>and right lateral limits.

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<v Speaker 2>Check this out, and this is not going to be

2294
02:03:17.800 --> 02:03:22.039
<v Speaker 2>a shocker, but the CIA had operatives inside major outlets,

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02:03:22.119 --> 02:03:26.640
<v Speaker 2>including The New York Times, The Time Magazine, Newsweek, CBS,

2296
02:03:26.720 --> 02:03:27.319
<v Speaker 2>and AP.

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<v Speaker 3>As a matter of fact, to further that point, when

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<v Speaker 3>the paper, I forget what it was, I think was

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02:03:35.199 --> 02:03:37.960
<v Speaker 3>the New York Times, the matter of fact, this new

2300
02:03:38.000 --> 02:03:41.960
<v Speaker 3>writer who happened to be a naval intelligence officer, right

2301
02:03:42.479 --> 02:03:46.880
<v Speaker 3>first story he ever wrote became the front page headline,

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02:03:46.920 --> 02:03:50.640
<v Speaker 3>and if not mistaken, it was about JFK M M M. Crazy.

2303
02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:51.399
<v Speaker 3>How that works out?

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02:03:52.399 --> 02:03:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep. You gotta work years to get that kind

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02:03:55.600 --> 02:03:56.439
<v Speaker 2>of pull.

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02:03:56.960 --> 02:03:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, to be a writer for a paper,

2307
02:03:59.800 --> 02:04:02.399
<v Speaker 3>to move up to an editor, to move up to whatever,

2308
02:04:02.479 --> 02:04:05.680
<v Speaker 3>to get your story on the front page. That is

2309
02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:10.319
<v Speaker 3>like a major crowning achievement that most newspaper writers dream of.

2310
02:04:10.960 --> 02:04:13.640
<v Speaker 3>This guy, right out of the gate, a retired naval

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02:04:13.760 --> 02:04:17.800
<v Speaker 3>intelligence officer, just got it that quick first ail on

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02:04:17.840 --> 02:04:18.199
<v Speaker 3>the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, you're never retired, That's the thing. It's a facade. Really.

2314
02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Once you're in, you're in.

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02:04:26.199 --> 02:04:28.199
<v Speaker 3>That's why you're a part of the agency. You never

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02:04:28.239 --> 02:04:30.000
<v Speaker 3>exactly leave the agency. Man.

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02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:33.239
<v Speaker 2>That's why whenever I see people who are super high

2318
02:04:33.319 --> 02:04:36.079
<v Speaker 2>up ranking in the military or the CIA or the FBI,

2319
02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:40.239
<v Speaker 2>now they're coming out clean and they're they retired from that,

2320
02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:42.159
<v Speaker 2>so now they're allowed to talk about it, and I'm like,

2321
02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:46.399
<v Speaker 2>shut the fuck up. Anybody who believes what you're saying. Now,

2322
02:04:46.439 --> 02:04:48.359
<v Speaker 2>I think that there are some good people and not

2323
02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:53.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody is absolutely like totally manipulated in some form or fashion,

2324
02:04:53.319 --> 02:04:55.199
<v Speaker 2>But you got to look at where they came from.

2325
02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:58.600
<v Speaker 2>You gotta look at the mindsets of the organizations that

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02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:02.399
<v Speaker 2>created them. So whenever you hear Sean Ryan, I love

2327
02:05:02.439 --> 02:05:04.680
<v Speaker 2>Sean Ryan. I think he seems like a pretty great guy.

2328
02:05:05.039 --> 02:05:08.039
<v Speaker 2>But to say that he's absolutely not being controlled in

2329
02:05:08.079 --> 02:05:10.520
<v Speaker 2>some kind of way is asinine.

2330
02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:13.279
<v Speaker 3>But I mean it goes even not just those types

2331
02:05:13.279 --> 02:05:15.319
<v Speaker 3>of content creators, because we've heard different people like that,

2332
02:05:15.479 --> 02:05:19.199
<v Speaker 3>these former Navy seal guys and these former Three Letter

2333
02:05:19.239 --> 02:05:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Agency guys. What's the dude, Andy Boussamonte, right, former spy?

2334
02:05:23.880 --> 02:05:25.920
<v Speaker 3>He and his wife are both spies. Then they start

2335
02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:28.560
<v Speaker 3>a YouTube channel and it's like instantly successful in all

2336
02:05:28.600 --> 02:05:31.880
<v Speaker 3>of this. Okay, fine, And I listen to what he says,

2337
02:05:31.960 --> 02:05:34.159
<v Speaker 3>not as like, oh, he's obviously telling the truth and

2338
02:05:34.199 --> 02:05:37.239
<v Speaker 3>blah blah blah, but also I see him as probably

2339
02:05:37.279 --> 02:05:39.439
<v Speaker 3>knowing a little bit more about the Three Letter Agencies

2340
02:05:39.479 --> 02:05:41.680
<v Speaker 3>than most right, But I also keep that third eye

2341
02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:43.720
<v Speaker 3>all the way open when I listen to him. That

2342
02:05:43.920 --> 02:05:45.800
<v Speaker 3>being set, and I'm not like an avid listener. I

2343
02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:48.000
<v Speaker 3>catch him on occasion whenever he's on another podcast that

2344
02:05:48.079 --> 02:05:51.199
<v Speaker 3>I like, He's a guest on Flay Grant or something. Yeah,

2345
02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:53.279
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna watch that episode, you know, something like that.

2346
02:05:54.000 --> 02:05:57.359
<v Speaker 3>But with that being said, there's other content creators that

2347
02:05:57.600 --> 02:05:59.479
<v Speaker 3>some of you may have heard of. We talked about

2348
02:05:59.479 --> 02:06:01.199
<v Speaker 3>it before the show. As a matter of fact, this

2349
02:06:01.359 --> 02:06:05.199
<v Speaker 3>girl named Shannon Blake right, the hippie dippy dreaded out

2350
02:06:05.239 --> 02:06:10.159
<v Speaker 3>all tatted up, high vibe quote unquote singer songwriter, and

2351
02:06:10.199 --> 02:06:14.119
<v Speaker 3>I use those quotes very, very liberally. You know, she's

2352
02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:17.640
<v Speaker 3>also one of the cringiest, cringiest content creators I've ever

2353
02:06:17.640 --> 02:06:21.039
<v Speaker 3>seen in my life. Come to find out, her dad

2354
02:06:21.439 --> 02:06:25.920
<v Speaker 3>is a quote unquote contract pilot for Lockheed Martin.

2355
02:06:27.159 --> 02:06:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, buddy shocker.

2356
02:06:28.359 --> 02:06:30.039
<v Speaker 3>That her dad would be a part of the military

2357
02:06:30.079 --> 02:06:34.359
<v Speaker 3>industrial complex. She grew up super well to do, super

2358
02:06:34.359 --> 02:06:38.439
<v Speaker 3>well off, never missed a fucking music festival anywhere. All

2359
02:06:38.479 --> 02:06:41.279
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, she's taken this like hippie dippy, we

2360
02:06:41.279 --> 02:06:43.880
<v Speaker 3>don't need money, we don't need this, And everything she

2361
02:06:43.960 --> 02:06:46.800
<v Speaker 3>sings about is that. Meanwhile, her dad works for Lockheed

2362
02:06:46.840 --> 02:06:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Martin as a contract pilot quote unquote. You know, it's

2363
02:06:53.399 --> 02:06:55.399
<v Speaker 3>so many things. It's not just the content creators on

2364
02:06:55.399 --> 02:06:59.199
<v Speaker 3>the podcast that are sharing information like this. How many YouTubers,

2365
02:06:59.479 --> 02:07:02.880
<v Speaker 3>how many TikTokers have you seen that their content is

2366
02:07:03.039 --> 02:07:07.079
<v Speaker 3>ass like? Objectively speaking, it's hard to even get through

2367
02:07:07.079 --> 02:07:09.199
<v Speaker 3>one of their videos or one of their clips, But

2368
02:07:09.279 --> 02:07:11.560
<v Speaker 3>somehow they have millions of views. And it's not just

2369
02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:14.319
<v Speaker 3>because they know how to work the algorithm. It's because

2370
02:07:14.319 --> 02:07:17.520
<v Speaker 3>they're either related to or plugged into an organization that

2371
02:07:17.640 --> 02:07:18.960
<v Speaker 3>makes those algorithms.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and there's and I don't want to harp

2373
02:07:22.760 --> 02:07:24.840
<v Speaker 2>too much on this, but I think that it needs

2374
02:07:24.920 --> 02:07:26.600
<v Speaker 2>to be said that there are people out there that

2375
02:07:26.640 --> 02:07:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you might even like. There are people out there that

2376
02:07:29.119 --> 02:07:33.159
<v Speaker 2>you might even believe are giving like nuggets and kernels

2377
02:07:33.199 --> 02:07:35.600
<v Speaker 2>of truth, and they are that you have to give

2378
02:07:35.680 --> 02:07:38.800
<v Speaker 2>nuggets and kernels of truth. That being said, do not

2379
02:07:39.159 --> 02:07:43.159
<v Speaker 2>follow what one individual says one hundred percent. I don't

2380
02:07:43.199 --> 02:07:45.600
<v Speaker 2>care if it's us. You shouldn't follow us one hundred percent.

2381
02:07:45.920 --> 02:07:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Because we might not know everything. Doesn't mean we're controlled

2382
02:07:48.920 --> 02:07:51.600
<v Speaker 2>by any means, But it also doesn't mean that we're

2383
02:07:51.640 --> 02:07:55.000
<v Speaker 2>experts on literally anything that we talk about, right, And

2384
02:07:55.079 --> 02:07:57.000
<v Speaker 2>so I just want everybody.

2385
02:07:56.640 --> 02:07:59.039
<v Speaker 3>People to fact check us, google the shit we say

2386
02:07:59.079 --> 02:08:01.760
<v Speaker 3>we get things wrong sometimes absolutely.

2387
02:08:02.000 --> 02:08:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Also, Jacob might be a fed so we don't know.

2388
02:08:04.560 --> 02:08:06.720
<v Speaker 3>Jonathan might be my handler. We don't even know.

2389
02:08:07.720 --> 02:08:11.960
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy, y'all. That being said, though, I know that

2390
02:08:12.039 --> 02:08:14.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people, mainly your boy Owen Benjamin,

2391
02:08:14.960 --> 02:08:18.159
<v Speaker 2>that has been calling out, Oh what's the dude with

2392
02:08:18.199 --> 02:08:19.319
<v Speaker 2>the with the mustache?

2393
02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Went on?

2394
02:08:19.680 --> 02:08:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Joe Rogan, mister balin, no shit, what is his name?

2395
02:08:24.800 --> 02:08:26.800
<v Speaker 3>The guy who was like a hardcore liberal CUK and

2396
02:08:26.800 --> 02:08:28.880
<v Speaker 3>now all of a sudden he speaks a lot about conspiracies.

2397
02:08:29.520 --> 02:08:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Uh, the guy who who used to blare the whistle

2398
02:08:33.000 --> 02:08:36.760
<v Speaker 2>on uh on game stop, and now he's talking about

2399
02:08:36.760 --> 02:08:38.279
<v Speaker 2>how the Jews are basically running the world.

2400
02:08:38.880 --> 02:08:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Yes, not Evans. Uh.

2401
02:08:40.960 --> 02:08:41.479
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember.

2402
02:08:41.479 --> 02:08:43.640
<v Speaker 3>I look it up. I know the guy's face in

2403
02:08:43.680 --> 02:08:45.439
<v Speaker 3>my head right now, but I can't. I can't think

2404
02:08:45.479 --> 02:08:46.800
<v Speaker 3>of it. You keep talking. I'm gonna look it.

2405
02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Up, all right, All right, sorry about that. Cult members,

2406
02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:52.479
<v Speaker 2>we you know, our minds can only retain so much information,

2407
02:08:52.640 --> 02:08:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and my mind's kind of set on this one. But anyway,

2408
02:08:55.920 --> 02:09:01.079
<v Speaker 2>so this we're back to Operation Mockingbird. So yeah, it

2409
02:09:01.720 --> 02:09:05.479
<v Speaker 2>was infiltrated into the New York Times Time magazine CBS, Newsweek,

2410
02:09:05.479 --> 02:09:09.720
<v Speaker 2>and Associated Press, the known collaborators. These are confirmed or alleged.

2411
02:09:09.920 --> 02:09:13.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's hard to really get like solid, you know,

2412
02:09:13.319 --> 02:09:15.479
<v Speaker 2>concrete evidence on a lot of this stuff. A lot

2413
02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:19.239
<v Speaker 2>of it it has to be speculation because the government

2414
02:09:19.319 --> 02:09:21.399
<v Speaker 2>is not going to out their own people like this

2415
02:09:22.119 --> 02:09:25.600
<v Speaker 2>if those people were doing work for them. So Ian Carroll,

2416
02:09:25.840 --> 02:09:29.760
<v Speaker 2>Ian Carroll, Yes, yep, yeah, yeah, So I.

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02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Think don't listen to one hundred percent of what he

2418
02:09:31.720 --> 02:09:35.800
<v Speaker 3>says either, y'all. Four years ago, he was some basically

2419
02:09:36.039 --> 02:09:39.680
<v Speaker 3>a college kid who, like, if I'm not mistaken, he

2420
02:09:39.800 --> 02:09:43.439
<v Speaker 3>campaigned for Obama and like campaigned for Biden and like

2421
02:09:43.479 --> 02:09:45.840
<v Speaker 3>he you know, all these things. He was that guy.

2422
02:09:46.000 --> 02:09:49.720
<v Speaker 3>He woke up, thank god, and now he's spreading information

2423
02:09:49.760 --> 02:09:51.640
<v Speaker 3>that needs to be spread. But again, don't listen in

2424
02:09:51.720 --> 02:09:52.560
<v Speaker 3>one hundred percent.

2425
02:09:52.800 --> 02:09:56.760
<v Speaker 2>But even with that, I can't help but imagine this

2426
02:09:56.840 --> 02:10:00.239
<v Speaker 2>guy blew up literally out of nowhere, and with then

2427
02:10:00.640 --> 02:10:03.399
<v Speaker 2>just a year or two of all of his research,

2428
02:10:03.439 --> 02:10:07.000
<v Speaker 2>he's on Rogan. You know, I I I'm looking at that,

2429
02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:10.239
<v Speaker 2>like and it's not even a jealousy thing. But we've

2430
02:10:10.239 --> 02:10:12.760
<v Speaker 2>been doing this five years and we haven't had anybody

2431
02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:15.199
<v Speaker 2>like that reach out to us right, Like it's not

2432
02:10:15.439 --> 02:10:18.000
<v Speaker 2>it's not a jealousy thing. It's like a what the

2433
02:10:18.039 --> 02:10:21.439
<v Speaker 2>fuck you know? Like how did that? And I and

2434
02:10:22.279 --> 02:10:24.720
<v Speaker 2>don't mistake it. Like he's very well spoken, he's very

2435
02:10:24.720 --> 02:10:26.640
<v Speaker 2>well knowledgeable a lot about a lot of things. He's

2436
02:10:26.640 --> 02:10:31.039
<v Speaker 2>probably he's smarter than us, Like that's a that's a fact.

2437
02:10:31.079 --> 02:10:35.279
<v Speaker 2>He like the way he's able to like. But but

2438
02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, like he's a very well

2439
02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:39.239
<v Speaker 2>well together put kind of individual. And I'm not even

2440
02:10:39.279 --> 02:10:42.039
<v Speaker 2>saying that he is. I'm just saying people like that,

2441
02:10:42.640 --> 02:10:47.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and that doesn't even like I if

2442
02:10:47.359 --> 02:10:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Ian Carroll was listening to this or if this gets

2443
02:10:49.319 --> 02:10:52.199
<v Speaker 2>posted out somewhere, I would actually love da Ian Carroll

2444
02:10:52.239 --> 02:10:52.680
<v Speaker 2>on the show.

2445
02:10:53.079 --> 02:10:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I would be a dream. He's a

2446
02:10:54.960 --> 02:10:56.520
<v Speaker 3>solid guy and I would love to have him on

2447
02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:58.560
<v Speaker 3>the show. Our point is, and like we said, even

2448
02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:00.880
<v Speaker 3>at ourselves, don't take a hunch percent of what we

2449
02:11:00.960 --> 02:11:05.600
<v Speaker 3>say as it's completely concrete truth. Google us, search the

2450
02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:07.600
<v Speaker 3>shit that we talk about and see if we are

2451
02:11:07.600 --> 02:11:10.960
<v Speaker 3>completely out of left field here or if we're based. Okay,

2452
02:11:10.960 --> 02:11:13.199
<v Speaker 3>we ask people to do this. Hit us in the

2453
02:11:13.239 --> 02:11:15.880
<v Speaker 3>comments on this and let us know, okay, we would

2454
02:11:15.960 --> 02:11:18.399
<v Speaker 3>like to adjust. We want to be one hundred percent accurate.

2455
02:11:18.600 --> 02:11:21.079
<v Speaker 3>We're humans, we fuck up sometimes.

2456
02:11:21.479 --> 02:11:24.520
<v Speaker 2>And obviously, like the obvious people that are in mainstream

2457
02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:28.399
<v Speaker 2>media now that this would like the arrow would point to.

2458
02:11:28.560 --> 02:11:30.359
<v Speaker 2>And I don't even want to harp on it because

2459
02:11:30.399 --> 02:11:33.319
<v Speaker 2>I actually happen to like both of these people, and

2460
02:11:33.399 --> 02:11:38.600
<v Speaker 2>that is Alex Jones and David Ike. So those very

2461
02:11:38.640 --> 02:11:41.199
<v Speaker 2>well could be controlled up it's been I'm not the

2462
02:11:41.199 --> 02:11:42.840
<v Speaker 2>first person to say that, I won't be the last

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02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:44.680
<v Speaker 2>person to say that. It's not even something that I

2464
02:11:44.840 --> 02:11:48.399
<v Speaker 2>entirely believe. But that doesn't mean that while I'm listening,

2465
02:11:48.720 --> 02:11:52.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not paying paying attention to whatever is kind of

2466
02:11:52.359 --> 02:11:55.119
<v Speaker 2>subconsciously being programmed into the shit that I'm listening to.

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02:11:55.640 --> 02:11:59.000
<v Speaker 3>Bro Tucker Carlson goes on and says that Russia is

2468
02:11:59.039 --> 02:12:02.560
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote fighting for its life right now, perfect example,

2469
02:12:02.680 --> 02:12:06.560
<v Speaker 3>America has thrown in every bit short of nuclear warfare

2470
02:12:06.960 --> 02:12:09.640
<v Speaker 3>in on the Russian conflict. I about fell out of

2471
02:12:09.680 --> 02:12:12.159
<v Speaker 3>my fucking chair laughing whenever I heard Tucker say that.

2472
02:12:12.199 --> 02:12:14.359
<v Speaker 3>And I love Tucker Carlson. I listened to him a

2473
02:12:14.399 --> 02:12:17.880
<v Speaker 3>fair amount, but like, oh, I'm sorry, what Marine division

2474
02:12:18.000 --> 02:12:19.960
<v Speaker 3>was just sent to the Ukrainian front lines. I must

2475
02:12:20.000 --> 02:12:22.680
<v Speaker 3>have missed that. America is that heavily invested in this

2476
02:12:22.760 --> 02:12:26.359
<v Speaker 3>war short of nuclear weapons, and Russia is fighting for

2477
02:12:26.359 --> 02:12:29.439
<v Speaker 3>their life right. No, absolutely, who invaded who? Again, I

2478
02:12:29.520 --> 02:12:32.479
<v Speaker 3>must have missed that. But like that's my point. Don't

2479
02:12:32.479 --> 02:12:34.920
<v Speaker 3>listen to all of these talking heads one hundred percent

2480
02:12:34.960 --> 02:12:37.880
<v Speaker 3>as if what they say is the word of God. Remember,

2481
02:12:37.960 --> 02:12:39.800
<v Speaker 3>body is entitled to their opinions.

2482
02:12:39.960 --> 02:12:45.199
<v Speaker 2>Remember that the lyricist for The Grateful Dead was involved

2483
02:12:45.239 --> 02:12:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in MK Ultra The Grateful Dead, in which Tucker Carlson

2484
02:12:49.960 --> 02:12:52.239
<v Speaker 2>was a deadhead for a very long time.

2485
02:12:52.439 --> 02:12:55.640
<v Speaker 3>So self proclaimed, self proclaimed, that's not some internet lore.

2486
02:12:55.720 --> 02:12:56.720
<v Speaker 3>He even says this.

2487
02:12:57.439 --> 02:12:59.319
<v Speaker 2>So that's what I'm trying to say here. It's not

2488
02:12:59.399 --> 02:13:01.760
<v Speaker 2>as cuttinger as you'd like it to believe. There's no

2489
02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:03.760
<v Speaker 2>such thing as a good guy and a bad guy.

2490
02:13:03.880 --> 02:13:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Everything is blurred everything, and that's all perfect.

2491
02:13:07.279 --> 02:13:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, I will say there's such a thing as a

2492
02:13:08.960 --> 02:13:11.840
<v Speaker 3>bad guy. I will say there's not much sense of

2493
02:13:11.920 --> 02:13:14.520
<v Speaker 3>looking for a good guy. None can really be found anymore.

2494
02:13:14.920 --> 02:13:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely so. So the known collaborators, whether they be

2495
02:13:19.039 --> 02:13:22.319
<v Speaker 2>confirmed or alleged, would be Joseph Alsop, who was an

2496
02:13:22.319 --> 02:13:26.319
<v Speaker 2>influential communist whose articles were used to influence elite circles.

2497
02:13:26.640 --> 02:13:29.239
<v Speaker 2>Then you have Ben Bradley, who later he was the

2498
02:13:29.359 --> 02:13:32.119
<v Speaker 2>editor of The Washington Post, claimed that he knew of

2499
02:13:32.239 --> 02:13:35.680
<v Speaker 2>CIA ties and journalism. Then you have William Paley or

2500
02:13:35.720 --> 02:13:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Pally from CBS allegedly cooperated with the CIA in allowing

2501
02:13:39.960 --> 02:13:45.119
<v Speaker 2>coverage to be influenced. Think of Twitter, Think of Facebook.

2502
02:13:45.279 --> 02:13:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Think of these apps who were absolutely influenced during elections

2503
02:13:49.680 --> 02:13:53.039
<v Speaker 2>during COVID that were taking down posts that were absolutely

2504
02:13:53.039 --> 02:13:57.479
<v Speaker 2>true that the government or you know, black ops operations

2505
02:13:57.640 --> 02:14:00.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't want you talking about. It's not even something that

2506
02:14:00.800 --> 02:14:02.720
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, that was just during COVID, that was

2507
02:14:02.840 --> 02:14:06.199
<v Speaker 2>just during the election. No, that's on a day to

2508
02:14:06.319 --> 02:14:11.119
<v Speaker 2>day basis. Okay, that's just widespread scope. Everybody knows about

2509
02:14:11.119 --> 02:14:13.399
<v Speaker 2>those things. But it's every day, it's not just.

2510
02:14:13.479 --> 02:14:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Then Zuckerberg literally testified and said that that didn't happen.

2511
02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:21.760
<v Speaker 3>Then he goes on Rogan and admits that that absolutely happened.

2512
02:14:21.760 --> 02:14:23.239
<v Speaker 3>So he admitted to perjury.

2513
02:14:23.600 --> 02:14:25.399
<v Speaker 2>Why is he not in jail? Why is he not

2514
02:14:25.439 --> 02:14:25.760
<v Speaker 2>in jail?

2515
02:14:25.840 --> 02:14:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Fuck? Is he not in jail?

2516
02:14:28.039 --> 02:14:31.279
<v Speaker 2>Exactly? So rules for the not for me.

2517
02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:33.720
<v Speaker 3>I took the words out of my fucking mouth. Brother.

2518
02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Then you have this individual named cord Meyer, what interesting name,

2519
02:14:38.520 --> 02:14:41.560
<v Speaker 2>who was a CIA operative believed to be instrumental in

2520
02:14:41.640 --> 02:14:47.439
<v Speaker 2>managing journalist relationships. So wh's widespread the exposure? It says

2521
02:14:47.600 --> 02:14:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Church Committee hearings. From seventy five to seventy six, there

2522
02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:54.359
<v Speaker 2>was US Senate investigations that revealed the scale of CIA

2523
02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:58.520
<v Speaker 2>involvement in media, though many details were buried or redacted.

2524
02:14:58.880 --> 02:15:02.560
<v Speaker 2>Then there was Carl Burns Stein's or Bernstein Bernstein. However,

2525
02:15:02.800 --> 02:15:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, you look at the Mandela Effect, Carl Bernstein

2526
02:15:07.279 --> 02:15:11.359
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy seven Rolling Stone article that was titled CIA

2527
02:15:11.560 --> 02:15:15.199
<v Speaker 2>and the Media that revealed more than four hundred journalists

2528
02:15:15.239 --> 02:15:18.239
<v Speaker 2>had direct or indirect ties to the CIA. That was

2529
02:15:18.279 --> 02:15:22.039
<v Speaker 2>in seventy seven. Yeah, you think that just went away?

2530
02:15:23.680 --> 02:15:27.119
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, we kidding me. This is the time

2531
02:15:27.199 --> 02:15:31.760
<v Speaker 3>when the quote unquote old heads of the media, right, like,

2532
02:15:32.039 --> 02:15:35.479
<v Speaker 3>I don't just throw a couple of them out, Bill O'Reilly, right,

2533
02:15:35.880 --> 02:15:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Hannity and Combs. This is when they were breaking out

2534
02:15:40.359 --> 02:15:42.920
<v Speaker 3>in the media space. These were the people that they

2535
02:15:42.960 --> 02:15:46.920
<v Speaker 3>were looking up to at this time. It never went away, y'all.

2536
02:15:47.279 --> 02:15:52.039
<v Speaker 3>It just came to the next generation. Podcasting is the

2537
02:15:52.079 --> 02:15:54.119
<v Speaker 3>thing that kind of broke that matrix in a way.

2538
02:15:54.720 --> 02:15:57.279
<v Speaker 3>But even still, I can't say that one hundred percent.

2539
02:15:58.039 --> 02:16:02.359
<v Speaker 2>This is fifty years of progress. Okay, fifty years ago,

2540
02:16:02.560 --> 02:16:04.640
<v Speaker 2>this shit was going around. Fifty years ago, shit was

2541
02:16:04.680 --> 02:16:09.039
<v Speaker 2>going on. They didn't just give it up. That's that's

2542
02:16:09.039 --> 02:16:09.640
<v Speaker 2>a fact.

2543
02:16:10.000 --> 02:16:13.720
<v Speaker 3>It's one work life, that is one career's time frame.

2544
02:16:14.159 --> 02:16:14.840
<v Speaker 3>That's all it is.

2545
02:16:15.039 --> 02:16:18.439
<v Speaker 2>So the CIA's response to Operation Mockingbird, it says the

2546
02:16:18.920 --> 02:16:21.840
<v Speaker 2>agency officially stated that it would no longer recruit or

2547
02:16:21.880 --> 02:16:24.600
<v Speaker 2>contract full time journalists as spiser agents.

2548
02:16:25.199 --> 02:16:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Okay, now our anger, right, Okay, okay, sure, sure, sure.

2549
02:16:30.119 --> 02:16:36.040
<v Speaker 2>However, the policy allowed freelancers, stingers, and unofficial cooperation, leaving

2550
02:16:36.120 --> 02:16:39.840
<v Speaker 2>plenty of gray area. These are your contractors, So are

2551
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:43.920
<v Speaker 2>they working for the CIA? No, they're contractors. They're their

2552
02:16:43.959 --> 02:16:48.639
<v Speaker 2>own corporation, they're their own own organization. Meanwhile, well they're

2553
02:16:48.639 --> 02:16:50.200
<v Speaker 2>still reporting back to the same people.

2554
02:16:51.079 --> 02:16:53.639
<v Speaker 3>See that's the thing. When people hear of government contractors,

2555
02:16:53.680 --> 02:16:55.200
<v Speaker 3>and I don't know about most, but I know in

2556
02:16:55.239 --> 02:16:59.360
<v Speaker 3>my mind it initially goes to like military contractors, right,

2557
02:16:59.520 --> 02:17:03.440
<v Speaker 3>Triple Can, Blackwater, the Wagner Group, right, all these things

2558
02:17:03.479 --> 02:17:09.040
<v Speaker 3>that are government military contractors. Please understand, everybody, the CIA

2559
02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:12.799
<v Speaker 3>has their own brand of government contractors that do way

2560
02:17:12.879 --> 02:17:18.719
<v Speaker 3>dirtier things than some mercenaries. Okay, these are intel mercenaries.

2561
02:17:19.280 --> 02:17:23.920
<v Speaker 3>The FBI has it, the ATF has this, the NSA,

2562
02:17:24.719 --> 02:17:29.159
<v Speaker 3>the spies on their own people have outside third party

2563
02:17:29.200 --> 02:17:31.399
<v Speaker 3>contractorsd That is how this works.

2564
02:17:31.760 --> 02:17:35.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just so everybody, we can paint a clear

2565
02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:41.760
<v Speaker 2>picture here, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, whatever other fucking

2566
02:17:41.799 --> 02:17:44.399
<v Speaker 2>apps you use. CIA contractors.

2567
02:17:45.040 --> 02:17:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, is it called oculus or ocula? What's the thing?

2568
02:17:47.639 --> 02:17:51.319
<v Speaker 3>The big server compounds third party through the CIA, but

2569
02:17:51.360 --> 02:17:54.079
<v Speaker 3>it's actually the filter that every single bit of media

2570
02:17:54.200 --> 02:17:56.440
<v Speaker 3>on the Internet or not goes through before we see it.

2571
02:17:56.639 --> 02:17:59.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in the facilities in Texas actually.

2572
02:18:00.120 --> 02:18:03.040
<v Speaker 3>Right, that giant place paid for by the CIA. Yes,

2573
02:18:03.639 --> 02:18:07.840
<v Speaker 3>third party because it's a private contractor very similar, and

2574
02:18:07.879 --> 02:18:12.200
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna touch on something ugly here. The irs is

2575
02:18:12.239 --> 02:18:14.280
<v Speaker 3>a third party government contractor. Y'all.

2576
02:18:14.719 --> 02:18:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Also keep in mind that that oculus or if that's

2577
02:18:18.239 --> 02:18:19.840
<v Speaker 2>what it's called, I can't remember what it's called now,

2578
02:18:19.879 --> 02:18:24.000
<v Speaker 2>but if Eagle Visions there's something like that, Yeah, it's

2579
02:18:24.120 --> 02:18:27.520
<v Speaker 2>it's the American filter of all social media. It's not

2580
02:18:27.559 --> 02:18:30.559
<v Speaker 2>only the filter, it is, uh, the the reason why

2581
02:18:30.639 --> 02:18:33.559
<v Speaker 2>you see suggestive videos and all that kind of stuff.

2582
02:18:33.799 --> 02:18:36.479
<v Speaker 2>Everything that you type, everything that you read. It's monitoring

2583
02:18:36.559 --> 02:18:40.920
<v Speaker 2>link literally like your your eyes and your reaction to everything.

2584
02:18:41.680 --> 02:18:45.879
<v Speaker 3>Thing to builds your algorithm, absolutely specific algorithm for your

2585
02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:50.280
<v Speaker 3>specific phone, your specific YouTube account, your specific TikTok.

2586
02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:52.639
<v Speaker 2>And you know who has ties to that Peter til

2587
02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:55.000
<v Speaker 2>you know who has ties to Peter tel jd Vance,

2588
02:18:55.079 --> 02:18:59.639
<v Speaker 2>You know who jd Vance has ties to the fucking president. Okay,

2589
02:18:59.719 --> 02:19:02.280
<v Speaker 2>so do you think that like people, this is where

2590
02:19:02.280 --> 02:19:04.719
<v Speaker 2>people get caught up and like, my side's not corrupt.

2591
02:19:04.760 --> 02:19:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Your side is corrupt. Every fucking asset, every facet of

2592
02:19:09.239 --> 02:19:12.959
<v Speaker 2>government is corrupt in every possible way. Just because your

2593
02:19:13.079 --> 02:19:15.520
<v Speaker 2>guy is in there right now or your guy was

2594
02:19:15.559 --> 02:19:18.239
<v Speaker 2>in there the prior term does not mean there's not

2595
02:19:18.399 --> 02:19:20.319
<v Speaker 2>spying on you. They're all spying on you.

2596
02:19:20.799 --> 02:19:23.319
<v Speaker 3>We've said it multiple times this episode, and we're probably

2597
02:19:23.319 --> 02:19:25.520
<v Speaker 3>gonna say it multiple times for the rest of our lives.

2598
02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:28.680
<v Speaker 3>If you're looking for a good guy, there's none to

2599
02:19:28.719 --> 02:19:31.559
<v Speaker 3>be found, I'm sorry. Doesn't matter what side of the aisle,

2600
02:19:31.760 --> 02:19:33.840
<v Speaker 3>doesn't matter what color they represent. It doesn't matter what

2601
02:19:33.879 --> 02:19:36.120
<v Speaker 3>they said in their pretty little speech to whoever they

2602
02:19:36.120 --> 02:19:39.280
<v Speaker 3>were trying to speak to. I'm sorry, there's no good

2603
02:19:39.280 --> 02:19:40.719
<v Speaker 3>guys left to be found in this.

2604
02:19:40.959 --> 02:19:43.360
<v Speaker 2>Avenue, miss me with that white hat bullshit.

2605
02:19:43.959 --> 02:19:45.680
<v Speaker 3>There's none of it. I'm sorry, there's none.

2606
02:19:46.360 --> 02:19:50.559
<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't exist. So anyhow, back to it. So

2607
02:19:50.600 --> 02:19:55.399
<v Speaker 2>they allowed freelancers and stingers in unofficial cooperation. Okay, then

2608
02:19:55.559 --> 02:19:59.319
<v Speaker 2>there was a legacy in modern parallel So Operation Mockingbird

2609
02:19:59.360 --> 02:20:03.600
<v Speaker 2>didn't end. It evolved. Now theorized to influence social media

2610
02:20:03.760 --> 02:20:09.360
<v Speaker 2>and entertainment, podcasting, and influencer culture see Operation mocking j

2611
02:20:09.520 --> 02:20:13.719
<v Speaker 2>which we're going to get to. So it evolved. Relationships

2612
02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:18.200
<v Speaker 2>with tech companies and digital platforms have replaced old school newsrooms.

2613
02:20:18.600 --> 02:20:22.760
<v Speaker 2>Then there's disinfo and propaganda units. Post nine to eleven

2614
02:20:22.959 --> 02:20:27.399
<v Speaker 2>agencies like the Office of Strategic Influence or the OSI

2615
02:20:27.719 --> 02:20:33.120
<v Speaker 2>were created to control foreign and domestic narratives. Look that

2616
02:20:33.159 --> 02:20:37.600
<v Speaker 2>one up Office of Strategic Influence got you. I mean

2617
02:20:37.680 --> 02:20:41.479
<v Speaker 2>that is that is the mk ultra carried out in today.

2618
02:20:41.799 --> 02:20:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Okay, Like we said, it didn't go away, y'all just

2619
02:20:44.399 --> 02:20:47.600
<v Speaker 3>manifested into something new. They just rebranded it. Maybe put

2620
02:20:47.600 --> 02:20:49.399
<v Speaker 3>a new guy in charge. But it's the same thing

2621
02:20:49.719 --> 02:20:51.159
<v Speaker 3>performing the same function.

2622
02:20:50.920 --> 02:20:52.399
<v Speaker 2>And that was created after nine to eleven.

2623
02:20:52.840 --> 02:20:55.120
<v Speaker 3>So it was the Office of Strategic What now.

2624
02:20:55.600 --> 02:20:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Office of Strategic Influence.

2625
02:20:57.840 --> 02:21:01.239
<v Speaker 3>The OSI. Let's look in this here, matter of feder

2626
02:21:01.280 --> 02:21:03.079
<v Speaker 3>wanna pull up the Wikipedia. We're gonna read this first

2627
02:21:03.079 --> 02:21:06.000
<v Speaker 3>little bit here, The Office of Strategic Influence is the

2628
02:21:06.040 --> 02:21:10.079
<v Speaker 3>first studio album by American progressive rock os. Wait, oh, okay,

2629
02:21:10.079 --> 02:21:11.959
<v Speaker 3>that's a band. That's an album for band. But they

2630
02:21:12.000 --> 02:21:16.959
<v Speaker 3>also they did that because of the OSI. Oh look

2631
02:21:16.959 --> 02:21:24.200
<v Speaker 3>at this, it's all band. Look at that. Wow, that's funny. No, no, no, no,

2632
02:21:24.239 --> 02:21:26.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna look at the actual Office of Strategic Influence.

2633
02:21:26.639 --> 02:21:29.879
<v Speaker 3>But like I can't believe a band. I'm gonna listen

2634
02:21:29.920 --> 02:21:30.159
<v Speaker 3>to them.

2635
02:21:30.200 --> 02:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Now that's great, simply must. But anyway, carrying on, while

2636
02:21:34.000 --> 02:21:36.639
<v Speaker 2>you're trying to look for that, there are examples of

2637
02:21:36.680 --> 02:21:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the modern day influence. See the Bay of Pigs, right,

2638
02:21:40.600 --> 02:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>that was absolutely propagandized.

2639
02:21:43.799 --> 02:21:45.639
<v Speaker 3>All right, I got it right here. So they named

2640
02:21:45.639 --> 02:21:48.600
<v Speaker 3>that album off of the actual Office of Strategic Influence.

2641
02:21:48.639 --> 02:21:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Here's the actual Wikipedia here. The Office of Strategic Influence

2642
02:21:51.719 --> 02:21:54.440
<v Speaker 3>or OSI, was a department created by the United States

2643
02:21:54.520 --> 02:21:58.280
<v Speaker 3>DoD on October thirtieth, two thousand and one, so literally

2644
02:21:58.479 --> 02:22:01.520
<v Speaker 3>a couple of weeks after September eleven. They created this

2645
02:22:02.280 --> 02:22:06.319
<v Speaker 3>organization to support the War on terrorism through psychological operations

2646
02:22:06.319 --> 02:22:09.559
<v Speaker 3>in targeted countries, which did not include the United States.

2647
02:22:09.760 --> 02:22:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Because the Pentagon is barred from psyops in the US.

2648
02:22:13.000 --> 02:22:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh Okay, Pentagon is barred from it. That does not

2649
02:22:16.159 --> 02:22:18.000
<v Speaker 3>mean the CI and the FBI are but neither here

2650
02:22:18.000 --> 02:22:21.600
<v Speaker 3>nor there. However, BBC noted that quote, there is nothing

2651
02:22:21.680 --> 02:22:24.440
<v Speaker 3>to stop an American newspaper picking up a story carried

2652
02:22:24.479 --> 02:22:27.600
<v Speaker 3>abroad in quote in cases of news stories that were

2653
02:22:27.799 --> 02:22:32.280
<v Speaker 3>quote unquote black propaganda with deliberately misleading information planted by

2654
02:22:32.360 --> 02:22:37.799
<v Speaker 3>the Pentagon under the OSI. So I'll I'll give everybody

2655
02:22:37.840 --> 02:22:40.280
<v Speaker 3>a real world example of this, just shot out of

2656
02:22:40.280 --> 02:22:43.319
<v Speaker 3>a cannon here. So let's say that there is some

2657
02:22:43.440 --> 02:22:47.399
<v Speaker 3>riots going on in some country, some Asiatic country, right,

2658
02:22:48.719 --> 02:22:53.479
<v Speaker 3>this is say China. Whatever just thrown out MEMR. Mem

2659
02:22:53.639 --> 02:22:55.079
<v Speaker 3>R is currently in the middle of a civil war

2660
02:22:55.120 --> 02:22:56.799
<v Speaker 3>and a military hunt and all this stuff right now,

2661
02:22:56.879 --> 02:23:02.040
<v Speaker 3>let's use them right, fine, And let's just say hypothetically

2662
02:23:02.079 --> 02:23:07.719
<v Speaker 3>that perhaps there was some black hat government agency, American

2663
02:23:08.040 --> 02:23:11.520
<v Speaker 3>government agents that were sent there to spread some descent

2664
02:23:11.799 --> 02:23:14.600
<v Speaker 3>and to kickstart some of these riots and things and stuff.

2665
02:23:15.000 --> 02:23:19.479
<v Speaker 3>Now we would know the government, the Royal American We

2666
02:23:19.879 --> 02:23:22.639
<v Speaker 3>would know that that was a psia that was done

2667
02:23:22.680 --> 02:23:26.440
<v Speaker 3>to get a civil war kickstarted over there. Now we

2668
02:23:26.520 --> 02:23:29.120
<v Speaker 3>have an American reporter on the ground in miammar that

2669
02:23:29.239 --> 02:23:31.399
<v Speaker 3>is reporting on what is going on there, and now

2670
02:23:31.440 --> 02:23:34.280
<v Speaker 3>it's being all over Fox New, CNN all of this shit,

2671
02:23:34.280 --> 02:23:36.360
<v Speaker 3>and the American people are like, oh my god, we

2672
02:23:36.479 --> 02:23:38.959
<v Speaker 3>have to help the poor people at memmr. What is

2673
02:23:39.000 --> 02:23:41.079
<v Speaker 3>going on over there? Never mind the fact that it

2674
02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:45.079
<v Speaker 3>was our government that kickstarted in the first place. Are

2675
02:23:45.120 --> 02:23:48.680
<v Speaker 3>you in buddy, Now, let's look at Gulf of Tonkin,

2676
02:23:49.319 --> 02:23:51.959
<v Speaker 3>which led to the Vietnam War a little bit.

2677
02:23:52.319 --> 02:23:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, beya pigs, beya pigs. Nineteen sixty one, the CIA

2678
02:23:55.920 --> 02:24:00.399
<v Speaker 2>pressured major outlets not to cover the invasion plans. Then

2679
02:24:00.440 --> 02:24:03.040
<v Speaker 2>you have the Vietnam War, whilch shape public opinion with

2680
02:24:03.200 --> 02:24:05.760
<v Speaker 2>distorted reporting on communism spread.

2681
02:24:06.399 --> 02:24:09.159
<v Speaker 3>But the reporter on the ground wasn't distorting it. He

2682
02:24:09.360 --> 02:24:12.319
<v Speaker 3>was reporting on what he saw. Never mind that what

2683
02:24:12.440 --> 02:24:15.280
<v Speaker 3>he saw was put there in stage for him to

2684
02:24:15.319 --> 02:24:16.200
<v Speaker 3>see and report on.

2685
02:24:17.360 --> 02:24:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen fifty three Iran and nineteen seventy three Chile planted

2686
02:24:22.559 --> 02:24:26.559
<v Speaker 2>stories supporting CIA backed cous.

2687
02:24:26.159 --> 02:24:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, you want to look at CIA back cous Man.

2688
02:24:28.479 --> 02:24:30.239
<v Speaker 3>I could show you a video of how many South

2689
02:24:30.280 --> 02:24:34.360
<v Speaker 3>American countries have been overthrown and redone in the last

2690
02:24:34.440 --> 02:24:35.959
<v Speaker 3>fifty years because of the CIA.

2691
02:24:36.200 --> 02:24:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, Mexico. It's a good one.

2692
02:24:39.319 --> 02:24:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Mexico's one of them.

2693
02:24:40.440 --> 02:24:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So why does it still matter?

2694
02:24:43.520 --> 02:24:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, kind of a loaded question there, but all right.

2695
02:24:50.680 --> 02:24:55.239
<v Speaker 2>So it revealed how easily truth can be engineered, truth

2696
02:24:55.360 --> 02:24:59.200
<v Speaker 2>and quotations. It shows that freedom of press can be

2697
02:24:59.760 --> 02:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>can be manipulated through money, coercion, or ideology. Obviously, and

2698
02:25:04.760 --> 02:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>in an age of AI, deep fakes and fact checkers,

2699
02:25:07.879 --> 02:25:12.479
<v Speaker 2>Mockingbird's methods are more relevant than ever. So the final

2700
02:25:12.479 --> 02:25:15.120
<v Speaker 2>thought that it says, Operation Mockingbird teaches us that the

2701
02:25:15.159 --> 02:25:18.360
<v Speaker 2>real battlefield isn't just in politics or war zones, but

2702
02:25:18.440 --> 02:25:21.799
<v Speaker 2>it's in the mind of the public. Whoever controls the

2703
02:25:21.920 --> 02:25:24.280
<v Speaker 2>narrative controls reality.

2704
02:25:24.680 --> 02:25:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely absolutely, And this is why I also love history.

2705
02:25:29.680 --> 02:25:32.959
<v Speaker 3>I understand that history is yes, ali agreed upon, I

2706
02:25:33.000 --> 02:25:36.399
<v Speaker 3>get that, But as more time goes on, and as

2707
02:25:36.399 --> 02:25:38.680
<v Speaker 3>we get more and more of the full picture and

2708
02:25:38.760 --> 02:25:41.799
<v Speaker 3>of the full story. Right, we are then able to

2709
02:25:41.920 --> 02:25:45.360
<v Speaker 3>take in the entire context of the situation. For instance,

2710
02:25:45.920 --> 02:25:50.280
<v Speaker 3>up until recently, all these cups in South America, we're

2711
02:25:50.280 --> 02:25:52.239
<v Speaker 3>gonna be written down in the history books. It's just

2712
02:25:52.319 --> 02:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>like crazy things going on in South America. We now

2713
02:25:55.719 --> 02:25:58.280
<v Speaker 3>know that it was America that spurned them on in

2714
02:25:58.319 --> 02:26:00.760
<v Speaker 3>the first place to even kickstart it. You see what

2715
02:26:00.760 --> 02:26:04.639
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. Both of them are historically true. One side

2716
02:26:04.680 --> 02:26:06.639
<v Speaker 3>of that may have been the narrative that was going

2717
02:26:06.639 --> 02:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>to be put down in the history books, and that

2718
02:26:08.040 --> 02:26:09.319
<v Speaker 3>was all it was ever going to be said about it.

2719
02:26:10.000 --> 02:26:11.920
<v Speaker 3>And now we have the entire history.

2720
02:26:12.520 --> 02:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we do well, at least as much as we're

2721
02:26:15.719 --> 02:26:19.559
<v Speaker 2>able to uncover, being that a lot of the documents

2722
02:26:19.719 --> 02:26:22.879
<v Speaker 2>were buried or redacted or this is just off the

2723
02:26:22.920 --> 02:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>tiny portion of what the public is allowed to know.

2724
02:26:25.959 --> 02:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Think about exactly, like, they're not going to tell you everything.

2725
02:26:29.120 --> 02:26:31.360
<v Speaker 2>They're just gonna give you a little bit, and a

2726
02:26:31.360 --> 02:26:33.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of people will see that little bit and build

2727
02:26:33.639 --> 02:26:35.959
<v Speaker 2>the entire story around it. Well, that's all they did.

2728
02:26:36.000 --> 02:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>They only did this, and that was only happening back then.

2729
02:26:38.680 --> 02:26:42.319
<v Speaker 2>They see they dismantled it. Right, Meanwhile, you think that,

2730
02:26:42.600 --> 02:26:46.159
<v Speaker 2>like you stumble across information like this, you learn about

2731
02:26:46.520 --> 02:26:49.639
<v Speaker 2>how the human mind can be manipulated, both both here

2732
02:26:49.719 --> 02:26:52.440
<v Speaker 2>and abroad. Right, you think that you're just gonna throw

2733
02:26:52.479 --> 02:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>away that information, especially whenever it's talking about influencing elections,

2734
02:26:57.239 --> 02:27:00.159
<v Speaker 2>influencing the American people to fund with tax dollars to

2735
02:27:00.200 --> 02:27:04.639
<v Speaker 2>go to war, influencing the pharmaceutical industry. It's all over

2736
02:27:04.680 --> 02:27:05.200
<v Speaker 2>the place.

2737
02:27:05.959 --> 02:27:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Let me share this screen real quick, just a show

2738
02:27:09.559 --> 02:27:11.559
<v Speaker 3>exactly what we're talking about here as far as CIA

2739
02:27:12.000 --> 02:27:15.079
<v Speaker 3>involving themselves where they shouldn't be, right, and then what

2740
02:27:15.200 --> 02:27:18.719
<v Speaker 3>did the American media play as far as this shit

2741
02:27:18.840 --> 02:27:21.600
<v Speaker 3>was concerned. And now we know the entire truth of it,

2742
02:27:21.680 --> 02:27:24.200
<v Speaker 3>and it's literally what we are talking about right now.

2743
02:27:24.319 --> 02:27:26.280
<v Speaker 3>Are you ready for this shit? Let's go. Yes.

2744
02:27:26.399 --> 02:27:29.040
<v Speaker 4>Every South American country which has had its government overthrown

2745
02:27:29.079 --> 02:27:30.239
<v Speaker 4>by the CIA since.

2746
02:27:30.120 --> 02:27:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Nineteen forty seven.

2747
02:27:31.520 --> 02:27:34.959
<v Speaker 4>Costa Rica in nineteen forty eight, Guatemala nineteen fifty four,

2748
02:27:35.200 --> 02:27:39.719
<v Speaker 4>Al Salvador nineteen seventy nine, Nicaragua nineteen eighty one, Panama

2749
02:27:39.879 --> 02:27:44.200
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighty nine, Paraguay nineteen fifty four, Brazil nineteen sixty four,

2750
02:27:44.440 --> 02:27:49.239
<v Speaker 4>Peru nineteen sixty eight, Chile nineteen seventy three, Uruguay nineteen

2751
02:27:49.319 --> 02:27:53.840
<v Speaker 4>seventy three, Argentina nineteen seventy six, and Venezuela in two

2752
02:27:53.879 --> 02:27:57.600
<v Speaker 4>thousand and two. Many of these were perceived as ideologically

2753
02:27:57.639 --> 02:28:01.879
<v Speaker 4>opposed to the United States, were left to dictatorships or

2754
02:28:01.920 --> 02:28:03.920
<v Speaker 4>some combination of the two.

2755
02:28:04.840 --> 02:28:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so as we're talking about what certain narrative might

2756
02:28:08.840 --> 02:28:11.520
<v Speaker 3>have been pumped out all over our TV screens by

2757
02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:14.000
<v Speaker 3>the news, did you hear what's going on in Venezuela

2758
02:28:14.040 --> 02:28:18.399
<v Speaker 3>in two thousand and two, right after the War on terrorism? Now, why,

2759
02:28:18.559 --> 02:28:22.200
<v Speaker 3>oh why would the CIA be fucking around in Venezuela

2760
02:28:22.280 --> 02:28:24.000
<v Speaker 3>when we're trying to get boots on the ground in

2761
02:28:24.040 --> 02:28:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Afghanistan to hunt allegedly Osama bin Laden aka tim Osman,

2762
02:28:27.840 --> 02:28:32.639
<v Speaker 3>another CIA asset. It's just interesting, everybody, It's interesting how

2763
02:28:32.680 --> 02:28:34.520
<v Speaker 3>this shit kind of plays in, Doesn't.

2764
02:28:34.239 --> 02:28:37.520
<v Speaker 2>It interesting how that ended up working out for Venezuela.

2765
02:28:38.319 --> 02:28:41.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, there they were. They were a thriving economy,

2766
02:28:41.280 --> 02:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>a thriving community. They were expanding in every possible way

2767
02:28:47.079 --> 02:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>via government and technology, and I mean literally in every

2768
02:28:50.719 --> 02:28:51.520
<v Speaker 2>possible way.

2769
02:28:51.879 --> 02:28:55.079
<v Speaker 3>They had like the world's fourth largest economy at that time, right,

2770
02:28:55.159 --> 02:28:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and so we overthrew the crazy dictator that they had

2771
02:28:58.399 --> 02:29:00.559
<v Speaker 3>because he was talking about running them in to the ground,

2772
02:29:00.879 --> 02:29:03.959
<v Speaker 3>and we installed and by we, I mean CIA Americans,

2773
02:29:04.000 --> 02:29:07.079
<v Speaker 3>whatever you want to call it, installed a leader that

2774
02:29:07.239 --> 02:29:10.040
<v Speaker 3>was more aligned with American ideologies and was about to

2775
02:29:10.079 --> 02:29:12.719
<v Speaker 3>give us a sweetheart deal in some of that gorgeous

2776
02:29:12.799 --> 02:29:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Venezuelan and oil, and then the people revolted. Then you

2777
02:29:16.319 --> 02:29:19.120
<v Speaker 3>had a general takeover, and he drove that country into

2778
02:29:19.159 --> 02:29:21.319
<v Speaker 3>the ground so hard that they are one of the

2779
02:29:21.360 --> 02:29:22.959
<v Speaker 3>worst places to go right now.

2780
02:29:23.799 --> 02:29:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's so you could say in a way that

2781
02:29:28.879 --> 02:29:32.559
<v Speaker 2>it was in the benefit of the United States government

2782
02:29:32.639 --> 02:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>and military and every other way. It was in the

2783
02:29:34.799 --> 02:29:38.639
<v Speaker 2>benefit of the United States that Venezuela turned socialist.

2784
02:29:40.159 --> 02:29:42.799
<v Speaker 3>We were trying to prevent that from happening, and then

2785
02:29:42.840 --> 02:29:46.239
<v Speaker 3>they forced it to happen quote unquote right quote unquote,

2786
02:29:46.239 --> 02:29:47.959
<v Speaker 3>because the guy that was in charge in two thousand

2787
02:29:48.000 --> 02:29:49.920
<v Speaker 3>and one was trying to turn it that way. Two

2788
02:29:50.000 --> 02:29:53.399
<v Speaker 3>thousand and two, we installed a democratic gut leader and

2789
02:29:53.440 --> 02:29:56.639
<v Speaker 3>then a socialist kicked him out, and there was beyond

2790
02:29:56.639 --> 02:29:57.399
<v Speaker 3>repair at that point.

2791
02:29:58.280 --> 02:30:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, is it easy to mind minerals and

2792
02:30:01.840 --> 02:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>oil from a capitalist society or from a socialist in

2793
02:30:06.159 --> 02:30:09.079
<v Speaker 2>communist society, where the government owns everything and the people

2794
02:30:09.120 --> 02:30:12.079
<v Speaker 2>own nothing, whenever, all you have to do is manipulate

2795
02:30:12.120 --> 02:30:15.120
<v Speaker 2>the governmental leader of that country, and you don't have

2796
02:30:15.200 --> 02:30:19.239
<v Speaker 2>to manipulate individual corporations or into individual people anymore. So

2797
02:30:19.399 --> 02:30:23.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at that and I'm like, Okay, so the

2798
02:30:23.399 --> 02:30:27.959
<v Speaker 2>United States almost finds it beneficial for communism in some countries.

2799
02:30:28.000 --> 02:30:29.639
<v Speaker 2>In some cases, possibly.

2800
02:30:29.719 --> 02:30:32.159
<v Speaker 3>It's a lot, but it's a lot easier. To your point,

2801
02:30:32.600 --> 02:30:35.319
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot easier to get the resources from a

2802
02:30:35.360 --> 02:30:37.959
<v Speaker 3>country when they are all starving and will do anything

2803
02:30:38.079 --> 02:30:39.440
<v Speaker 3>to earn a dollar.

2804
02:30:39.920 --> 02:30:43.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, big time. So now let's get over to

2805
02:30:43.920 --> 02:30:48.760
<v Speaker 2>mocking j nowk We've all seen the Hunger Games, right,

2806
02:30:48.840 --> 02:30:51.040
<v Speaker 2>So this is where all this stems from. And also

2807
02:30:51.159 --> 02:30:54.799
<v Speaker 2>I want to remind people that you know, just because

2808
02:30:54.840 --> 02:30:57.600
<v Speaker 2>you don't hear about a lot of these CIA operations

2809
02:30:57.600 --> 02:31:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that are going current day, doesn't mean that they're not happening.

2810
02:31:00.799 --> 02:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, the people back in the fifties, sixties, seventies

2811
02:31:03.719 --> 02:31:06.639
<v Speaker 2>had no idea that MK Ultra and Mockingbird was even

2812
02:31:06.719 --> 02:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>going on. It wasn't until late or through the Freedom

2813
02:31:09.959 --> 02:31:13.239
<v Speaker 2>of Information Act and government whistleblowers, that these things even

2814
02:31:13.280 --> 02:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>really came to light, right, And honestly, those things that

2815
02:31:16.959 --> 02:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>were dismantled ended up just evolving into higher forms of

2816
02:31:22.079 --> 02:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>what they had already previously learned from those experiments in

2817
02:31:26.719 --> 02:31:28.319
<v Speaker 2>the first place. This is where I.

2818
02:31:28.319 --> 02:31:31.559
<v Speaker 3>Knew what Edward Snowden was talking about the NSA was doing.

2819
02:31:31.879 --> 02:31:34.319
<v Speaker 3>We didn't know that that was happening as it was happening.

2820
02:31:34.319 --> 02:31:36.600
<v Speaker 3>And then even after he blew the lid off of it,

2821
02:31:37.040 --> 02:31:40.559
<v Speaker 3>by the way, everyone that was never retracted by the government.

2822
02:31:40.799 --> 02:31:43.120
<v Speaker 3>That is still currently happening. They never went back and

2823
02:31:43.159 --> 02:31:44.680
<v Speaker 3>repealed the Patriot Act.

2824
02:31:45.040 --> 02:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Remember back in you know, early two thousands, two thousand

2825
02:31:48.920 --> 02:31:53.079
<v Speaker 2>and seven, thousand and eight, in that era that almost

2826
02:31:53.120 --> 02:31:55.360
<v Speaker 2>all phones, not every one of them, but almost all

2827
02:31:55.399 --> 02:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>phones used to be able to have the detachable, detachable battery,

2828
02:31:59.280 --> 02:32:01.079
<v Speaker 2>and so if your battle when dead, you'd be able

2829
02:32:01.079 --> 02:32:02.920
<v Speaker 2>to replace it and put a new one in there, right,

2830
02:32:03.360 --> 02:32:05.479
<v Speaker 2>And then after a while they stopped doing that. It's

2831
02:32:05.520 --> 02:32:07.520
<v Speaker 2>hard to find any phone if there is any that

2832
02:32:07.600 --> 02:32:11.280
<v Speaker 2>you can detach the battery from, well, and that's what

2833
02:32:11.319 --> 02:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>people would do. They would take out the battery you know,

2834
02:32:13.799 --> 02:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>especially like people were in mobs or gangs or having

2835
02:32:17.000 --> 02:32:20.639
<v Speaker 2>high level conversations. They didn't want the intelligence community, you know,

2836
02:32:20.760 --> 02:32:23.399
<v Speaker 2>peering in on what they what they could do. What

2837
02:32:23.440 --> 02:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>they thought they could do was just take out the

2838
02:32:25.319 --> 02:32:27.319
<v Speaker 2>battery from the back of the phone and there you go.

2839
02:32:27.399 --> 02:32:29.799
<v Speaker 2>There's no way that they can listen in on these

2840
02:32:29.799 --> 02:32:33.760
<v Speaker 2>conversations or anything like that. Then steps in Edward Snowden,

2841
02:32:34.040 --> 02:32:38.200
<v Speaker 2>the whistleblower who said, it doesn't matter if you take

2842
02:32:38.239 --> 02:32:40.639
<v Speaker 2>out the battery out of your fucking phone, they can

2843
02:32:40.719 --> 02:32:43.319
<v Speaker 2>still tap into it. And everybody's like, what does that

2844
02:32:43.399 --> 02:32:45.719
<v Speaker 2>even mean? It's not even powered on, and how does

2845
02:32:45.760 --> 02:32:48.959
<v Speaker 2>that even work. This is the level of technology that

2846
02:32:49.040 --> 02:32:53.399
<v Speaker 2>has grown from these things. Okay, So whenever we're talking about,

2847
02:32:53.479 --> 02:32:56.840
<v Speaker 2>oh well, mocking Jay is just a theory? Is it

2848
02:32:56.879 --> 02:32:59.559
<v Speaker 2>a theory? Is it a theory to say that mocking

2849
02:32:59.639 --> 02:33:03.360
<v Speaker 2>burr to just eventually win away. Turn on the news,

2850
02:33:04.079 --> 02:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>turn on any program on TV, turn on some podcasts,

2851
02:33:08.440 --> 02:33:11.120
<v Speaker 2>turn on some YouTube channels, turn on some tiktoks, turn

2852
02:33:11.159 --> 02:33:14.520
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram, whatever, turn it on. It is blaring you

2853
02:33:14.559 --> 02:33:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in the fucking face that mocking Bird didn't go away.

2854
02:33:17.600 --> 02:33:22.719
<v Speaker 2>It evolved into mocking j okay, let's go souh. Operation

2855
02:33:22.920 --> 02:33:26.239
<v Speaker 2>mocking J it says it isn't a confirmed or documented

2856
02:33:26.280 --> 02:33:29.600
<v Speaker 2>CIA operation by that name, but it appears in conspiracy

2857
02:33:29.600 --> 02:33:34.280
<v Speaker 2>circles as a rumored modern evolution of Operation mocking Bird,

2858
02:33:34.559 --> 02:33:37.959
<v Speaker 2>the Real CIA program to infiltrate and manipulate mass media.

2859
02:33:38.040 --> 02:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>The term mocking j is borrowed from the Hunger Games,

2860
02:33:40.799 --> 02:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>where the bird symbolizes rebellion in propaganda and the conspiracy context,

2861
02:33:45.799 --> 02:33:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Operation mocking j is believed to be the digital age

2862
02:33:49.680 --> 02:33:53.639
<v Speaker 2>weaponization of information and influence. Now it doesn't take a

2863
02:33:53.719 --> 02:33:58.319
<v Speaker 2>genius to assume that this is probably what's going on. Yeah,

2864
02:33:58.440 --> 02:34:02.760
<v Speaker 2>so here's the spool, the speculative breakdown. So Operation mocking

2865
02:34:02.799 --> 02:34:07.159
<v Speaker 2>Ja the alleged modern continuation of CIA media manipulation. So

2866
02:34:08.440 --> 02:34:10.760
<v Speaker 2>it'll give a little bit of an overview of Mockingbird.

2867
02:34:10.799 --> 02:34:12.280
<v Speaker 2>I know we went over it, but just you know,

2868
02:34:12.360 --> 02:34:16.280
<v Speaker 2>to go with it. So it's inspired by Operation Mockingbird

2869
02:34:16.280 --> 02:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>that was allegedly around from forty eight to the mid seventies.

2870
02:34:20.799 --> 02:34:24.079
<v Speaker 2>The Real CIA program aimed to influence major news outlets

2871
02:34:24.079 --> 02:34:27.959
<v Speaker 2>by planting agents as journalists, editors, and producers, controlling the narrative.

2872
02:34:28.000 --> 02:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>During the Cold war so mocking j as a symbol

2873
02:34:30.920 --> 02:34:32.879
<v Speaker 2>in the Hunger Games, the mocking Jay was both a

2874
02:34:32.879 --> 02:34:36.200
<v Speaker 2>product of government manipulation and a tool of resistance. If

2875
02:34:36.200 --> 02:34:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you remember so Catnus, she's she's all wearing the mocking

2876
02:34:39.920 --> 02:34:43.600
<v Speaker 2>jpin on her shirt. There was, And it was weird

2877
02:34:43.680 --> 02:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>because in the book it was given to her by

2878
02:34:46.280 --> 02:34:49.239
<v Speaker 2>somebody that I believed that was in the Games, but

2879
02:34:49.440 --> 02:34:51.639
<v Speaker 2>in the movie it was given like she she found

2880
02:34:51.639 --> 02:34:53.399
<v Speaker 2>it like a flea marketer some kind of shit. But

2881
02:34:53.440 --> 02:34:55.559
<v Speaker 2>either way, it was given to her as a symbol,

2882
02:34:55.639 --> 02:34:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and she wanted to use that symbol to try and

2883
02:34:59.159 --> 02:35:02.079
<v Speaker 2>bring on the rebel like I'm gonna do this. Remember

2884
02:35:02.079 --> 02:35:04.639
<v Speaker 2>in the Hunger Games, whenever her and Pete they both

2885
02:35:04.680 --> 02:35:06.440
<v Speaker 2>make it to the end, they have those poison berries

2886
02:35:06.440 --> 02:35:08.159
<v Speaker 2>and they're both getting ready to eat them. Well, they

2887
02:35:08.239 --> 02:35:10.760
<v Speaker 2>knew that that was their only form of any kind

2888
02:35:10.760 --> 02:35:12.799
<v Speaker 2>of control to get out of that situation, so they

2889
02:35:12.840 --> 02:35:14.719
<v Speaker 2>threatened to eat them. And then what do you hear

2890
02:35:14.799 --> 02:35:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the guy coming over the loudspeaker. Stop stop stop. They

2891
02:35:18.079 --> 02:35:20.479
<v Speaker 2>needed to have a winner, right because that was the

2892
02:35:20.559 --> 02:35:23.959
<v Speaker 2>only way, like the people needed a winner. This was

2893
02:35:24.120 --> 02:35:26.280
<v Speaker 2>this was you think about the Hunger Games, I know,

2894
02:35:26.319 --> 02:35:28.399
<v Speaker 2>it's just a fictional thing, but it was an It

2895
02:35:28.479 --> 02:35:32.200
<v Speaker 2>was a way in which, you know, modern humanity evolved

2896
02:35:32.239 --> 02:35:34.520
<v Speaker 2>from needing to war with each other, and this was

2897
02:35:34.600 --> 02:35:37.399
<v Speaker 2>a way to still get that little piece of war out.

2898
02:35:37.479 --> 02:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>But you still needed a winner to overcome these obstacles, right,

2899
02:35:40.719 --> 02:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you needed the martyrs. So they were trying to use that. Well,

2900
02:35:44.120 --> 02:35:46.799
<v Speaker 2>then you fast forward into the into the books that

2901
02:35:46.840 --> 02:35:49.079
<v Speaker 2>were after that and to the movies that were after that,

2902
02:35:49.360 --> 02:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>where basically they saw that mocking Jay as basically like

2903
02:35:54.479 --> 02:35:56.920
<v Speaker 2>the the government or the people that were in control,

2904
02:35:57.000 --> 02:35:59.159
<v Speaker 2>they saw that and they wanted to use it against

2905
02:35:59.159 --> 02:36:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the people. So instead of using it as a symbol

2906
02:36:01.840 --> 02:36:05.760
<v Speaker 2>of rebellion, they used it as a psychological operation that

2907
02:36:05.879 --> 02:36:07.959
<v Speaker 2>made it made the people believe that it was the

2908
02:36:08.000 --> 02:36:10.559
<v Speaker 2>symbol of rebellion. Meanwhile, they're still doing all this negative

2909
02:36:10.559 --> 02:36:13.040
<v Speaker 2>shit in the behind closed doors, right like the game

2910
02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:17.360
<v Speaker 2>still went on. So this is this is the idea.

2911
02:36:17.399 --> 02:36:19.799
<v Speaker 2>It's a bastardization of a symbol that was once a

2912
02:36:19.840 --> 02:36:22.559
<v Speaker 2>good thing that they turned into a bad thing and

2913
02:36:22.600 --> 02:36:26.959
<v Speaker 2>they used it for their benefit. So the mocking Jay

2914
02:36:27.000 --> 02:36:28.680
<v Speaker 2>is a symbol. It says in the Hunger Games, the

2915
02:36:28.719 --> 02:36:31.559
<v Speaker 2>mocking Jay was both a product of government manipulation and

2916
02:36:31.719 --> 02:36:35.360
<v Speaker 2>a tool of resistance. That duality is key to the conspiracy.

2917
02:36:35.680 --> 02:36:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Influencers may be used unknowingly, thinking that they're independent voices.

2918
02:36:41.280 --> 02:36:43.680
<v Speaker 2>And so whenever we're talking about you know, characters like

2919
02:36:43.799 --> 02:36:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Alex Jones or Ian Carroll or name you know, Russell Brand, whatever, right,

2920
02:36:48.760 --> 02:36:51.879
<v Speaker 2>they may not even know that they're being used. And

2921
02:36:52.040 --> 02:36:55.959
<v Speaker 2>that's the and that's including us. We look up information

2922
02:36:56.360 --> 02:36:58.079
<v Speaker 2>and we don't know if this is some kind of

2923
02:36:58.079 --> 02:37:01.559
<v Speaker 2>psychological propaganda that the CI put out and wanted conspiracy

2924
02:37:01.559 --> 02:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>theorists to pick them. I think about that all the

2925
02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:04.520
<v Speaker 2>fucking time. I don't know.

2926
02:37:05.000 --> 02:37:08.319
<v Speaker 3>You know how many algorithms have been boosted or shut

2927
02:37:08.360 --> 02:37:12.719
<v Speaker 3>down to promote certain shows on purpose. Now, again, it's

2928
02:37:12.760 --> 02:37:16.879
<v Speaker 3>not any of the independent creator's faults that they this

2929
02:37:17.000 --> 02:37:20.600
<v Speaker 3>random thing went viral, this crazy little clip that really

2930
02:37:20.680 --> 02:37:23.200
<v Speaker 3>wasn't based in anything. Next thing, you know, it went viral,

2931
02:37:23.600 --> 02:37:26.559
<v Speaker 3>everybody's talking about it. This person's on everybody's show, he's

2932
02:37:26.600 --> 02:37:32.639
<v Speaker 3>now insta famous. Sometimes that's organic and natural and fine, okay, cool.

2933
02:37:33.639 --> 02:37:38.079
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes with that being said, it can also be forced

2934
02:37:38.440 --> 02:37:41.280
<v Speaker 3>and promoted in a way completely independent from them. They

2935
02:37:41.280 --> 02:37:44.079
<v Speaker 3>don't they're just reaping the benefits and they're like, oh man,

2936
02:37:44.520 --> 02:37:46.600
<v Speaker 3>I love it. People are listening to me now, the

2937
02:37:46.639 --> 02:37:50.280
<v Speaker 3>show's doing great, this and this. It's equally possible that

2938
02:37:50.280 --> 02:37:52.920
<v Speaker 3>that was being pushed and propagated in such a way

2939
02:37:52.959 --> 02:37:57.440
<v Speaker 3>completely without their knowledge exact for certain intentions.

2940
02:37:57.879 --> 02:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, and it could be something even as

2941
02:38:00.639 --> 02:38:03.559
<v Speaker 2>silly that you would think in this context, it could

2942
02:38:03.600 --> 02:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>be something even as lighthearted as flat earth. Think about

2943
02:38:07.040 --> 02:38:11.239
<v Speaker 2>that for sure, Absolutely about that. Every conspiracy theorist talks

2944
02:38:11.239 --> 02:38:13.760
<v Speaker 2>about flat Earth. Everybody talks about nine to eleven, everybody

2945
02:38:13.760 --> 02:38:16.680
<v Speaker 2>talks about JFK, everybody talks about Trump, and you know

2946
02:38:16.680 --> 02:38:19.040
<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like everybody is talking about these things.

2947
02:38:19.079 --> 02:38:22.479
<v Speaker 2>I almost wonder if it's scripted, that was propaganda that

2948
02:38:22.559 --> 02:38:24.440
<v Speaker 2>was given to us, essentially.

2949
02:38:25.159 --> 02:38:27.000
<v Speaker 3>I think about that a lot with the flat earthers.

2950
02:38:27.040 --> 02:38:29.000
<v Speaker 3>And yes, I know the flat earth community is gonna

2951
02:38:29.040 --> 02:38:31.159
<v Speaker 3>get mad at me for saying this. Fine, Look, you

2952
02:38:31.200 --> 02:38:35.440
<v Speaker 3>believe what you believe, I'll dioglobetarm Fine, fine, But I

2953
02:38:35.479 --> 02:38:37.639
<v Speaker 3>also believe that that is a type of sleight of hand.

2954
02:38:38.079 --> 02:38:42.399
<v Speaker 3>They're keeping the conspiracy heads squabbling amongst ourselves about whether

2955
02:38:42.440 --> 02:38:46.479
<v Speaker 3>the Earth is flat or fucking round. Meanwhile, they got

2956
02:38:46.520 --> 02:38:48.879
<v Speaker 3>all this other shit going on behind closed doors. A

2957
02:38:49.040 --> 02:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>understood thing that pretty much every culture has gotten down

2958
02:38:51.680 --> 02:38:54.079
<v Speaker 3>with about the Earth being round, by the way, doesn't matter.

2959
02:38:54.639 --> 02:38:59.120
<v Speaker 3>We are fighting over it and talking about the validity

2960
02:38:59.159 --> 02:39:02.799
<v Speaker 3>of certain types of physics rather than talking about what

2961
02:39:02.840 --> 02:39:04.840
<v Speaker 3>the government is doing to us right now.

2962
02:39:05.520 --> 02:39:08.440
<v Speaker 2>And and but that's the thing is that flat Earth

2963
02:39:08.520 --> 02:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>is a symbol in a sense, But a symbol holds

2964
02:39:11.159 --> 02:39:13.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of meanings. And so whenever you hear flatter,

2965
02:39:13.920 --> 02:39:16.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like whenever you see the McDonald symbol, you don't

2966
02:39:16.000 --> 02:39:17.680
<v Speaker 2>only think about a big mac. You might think about

2967
02:39:17.680 --> 02:39:21.600
<v Speaker 2>some mcnuggies, maybe a mcflurry, right, maybe a little shamrock shake. Right.

2968
02:39:21.639 --> 02:39:24.559
<v Speaker 3>It's all in when I see the golden norches personally.

2969
02:39:24.239 --> 02:39:27.799
<v Speaker 2>It's all encompassing with that symbol, okay. And that is

2970
02:39:27.799 --> 02:39:30.200
<v Speaker 2>occult magic in and of itself. So if you think

2971
02:39:30.239 --> 02:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>about it all right, you might somebody might look at

2972
02:39:33.200 --> 02:39:35.600
<v Speaker 2>somebody that believes in flat Earth and be like, oh

2973
02:39:35.680 --> 02:39:38.239
<v Speaker 2>my god, you believe the fucking Earth is flat? Were

2974
02:39:38.239 --> 02:39:41.120
<v Speaker 2>you a caveman? Meanwhile, a lot of the things that

2975
02:39:41.120 --> 02:39:43.319
<v Speaker 2>the flat earthers bring up that are kind of outside

2976
02:39:43.360 --> 02:39:46.399
<v Speaker 2>of flat Earth as far as getting into NASA and

2977
02:39:46.440 --> 02:39:49.399
<v Speaker 2>getting into all these space agencies and organizations, and how

2978
02:39:49.399 --> 02:39:52.159
<v Speaker 2>some math doesn't really math all the way entirely, or

2979
02:39:52.200 --> 02:39:54.239
<v Speaker 2>how about the tilt of the of the earth is

2980
02:39:54.280 --> 02:39:56.879
<v Speaker 2>on a sixty six point six degree angle, like why

2981
02:39:56.959 --> 02:40:00.399
<v Speaker 2>is that? You know? And so? And it causes people

2982
02:40:00.399 --> 02:40:02.799
<v Speaker 2>to question. So there's always going to be nuggets of truth,

2983
02:40:02.879 --> 02:40:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe, and I'm kind of I'm on the fence

2984
02:40:07.000 --> 02:40:08.399
<v Speaker 2>with that. I don't know what the fucking shape of

2985
02:40:08.440 --> 02:40:09.639
<v Speaker 2>the Earth is. I don't know if it's flat, I

2986
02:40:09.639 --> 02:40:11.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's round. I believe it's personally like

2987
02:40:11.479 --> 02:40:13.600
<v Speaker 2>a fucking nightmare or a dream, So it doesn't even

2988
02:40:13.600 --> 02:40:14.639
<v Speaker 2>matter what the shape of it is.

2989
02:40:15.079 --> 02:40:16.959
<v Speaker 3>I use that as an example. It's the same thing

2990
02:40:17.000 --> 02:40:19.520
<v Speaker 3>to say that they have a squabbling over which bathroom

2991
02:40:19.559 --> 02:40:22.879
<v Speaker 3>people are supposed to be using, rather than focusing on

2992
02:40:22.959 --> 02:40:25.319
<v Speaker 3>like the pedophile rings that are currently being revealed in

2993
02:40:25.360 --> 02:40:27.200
<v Speaker 3>the government. No, no, no, we need to talk about the

2994
02:40:27.239 --> 02:40:31.680
<v Speaker 3>seventy four genders because words hurt and feelings. Matt, It's

2995
02:40:31.680 --> 02:40:34.360
<v Speaker 3>like wait, wait, stop, shut the fuck up. Epstein's list

2996
02:40:34.399 --> 02:40:36.920
<v Speaker 3>is still not released yet. That's my point. I ud

2997
02:40:36.959 --> 02:40:38.120
<v Speaker 3>flat Earth is an example, No.

2998
02:40:38.200 --> 02:40:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I know what you're saying.

2999
02:40:39.399 --> 02:40:42.120
<v Speaker 3>Certain things are promoted to keep people distracted.

3000
02:40:43.120 --> 02:40:47.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, stop talking about Epstein. Here's Diddy about that, right, yes, yes,

3001
02:40:48.680 --> 02:40:53.120
<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, so the alleged goals if we're talking about

3002
02:40:53.159 --> 02:40:55.479
<v Speaker 2>Project mocking Jay, if we are to believe that it

3003
02:40:55.559 --> 02:40:57.520
<v Speaker 2>is a real thing, and I think without question it

3004
02:40:57.559 --> 02:40:59.479
<v Speaker 2>absolutely has to I'm not saying that it has to

3005
02:40:59.479 --> 02:41:01.959
<v Speaker 2>be going by that name. That's just what theorists have

3006
02:41:02.040 --> 02:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>called it. It's just an extension of Mockingbirds. So if

3007
02:41:04.719 --> 02:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>you don't like the idea of the evolution of mockingbird,

3008
02:41:07.719 --> 02:41:11.440
<v Speaker 2>fucking forget names. We're talking about tactics. Okay, So the

3009
02:41:11.479 --> 02:41:14.799
<v Speaker 2>alleged goals would be to the they would have the

3010
02:41:14.840 --> 02:41:18.559
<v Speaker 2>control of digital narratives. It's not just news anymore. Operation

3011
02:41:18.719 --> 02:41:26.200
<v Speaker 2>mocking Jay allegedly targets social media influencers, YouTubers, TikTok trends, podcasts,

3012
02:41:26.200 --> 02:41:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and memes, along with behavioral programming. Now this is something

3013
02:41:30.399 --> 02:41:33.360
<v Speaker 2>think about the TikTok dances and stuff like that. The

3014
02:41:33.399 --> 02:41:35.200
<v Speaker 2>one that's going around right now is the people that

3015
02:41:35.239 --> 02:41:36.959
<v Speaker 2>are doing that dance where I don't even know what

3016
02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:37.879
<v Speaker 2>the fuck it's called.

3017
02:41:37.680 --> 02:41:41.319
<v Speaker 3>But stupid I hate TikTok. I hate TikTok itself, but

3018
02:41:41.360 --> 02:41:43.680
<v Speaker 3>then the dances that go viral, it's like this, this

3019
02:41:43.799 --> 02:41:46.239
<v Speaker 3>is considered content two people.

3020
02:41:46.040 --> 02:41:48.040
<v Speaker 2>And it's and it turns it into an echo chamber.

3021
02:41:48.079 --> 02:41:51.159
<v Speaker 2>Your algorithm is your echo chamber. And so that's why

3022
02:41:51.200 --> 02:41:53.319
<v Speaker 2>people literally, I mean, we're aware of that. We know

3023
02:41:53.399 --> 02:41:55.639
<v Speaker 2>that our algorithm, the things that we like, are the

3024
02:41:55.639 --> 02:41:57.840
<v Speaker 2>things that we watch, is ultimately going to build the

3025
02:41:57.879 --> 02:42:01.760
<v Speaker 2>algorithm itself. So like you, if you were to download TikTok,

3026
02:42:01.799 --> 02:42:04.280
<v Speaker 2>for example, you would mainly if you were to start

3027
02:42:04.319 --> 02:42:07.639
<v Speaker 2>liking videos, your your shit would be more towards the

3028
02:42:07.680 --> 02:42:10.440
<v Speaker 2>political kind of stuff, and you might be hearing political

3029
02:42:10.479 --> 02:42:13.120
<v Speaker 2>pundits or hearing what's going on over in other countries,

3030
02:42:13.159 --> 02:42:16.079
<v Speaker 2>and your algorithm would keep on feeding you. Then, whether

3031
02:42:16.159 --> 02:42:18.879
<v Speaker 2>it be true information false information, doesn't matter. It keeps

3032
02:42:18.959 --> 02:42:23.360
<v Speaker 2>your mind and trapped into this this one echo chamber, right,

3033
02:42:23.479 --> 02:42:25.920
<v Speaker 2>And whereas me, I'm more involved, Like I love all

3034
02:42:25.959 --> 02:42:28.879
<v Speaker 2>the spiritual shit, I love all the mystical, all the shamanistic,

3035
02:42:28.920 --> 02:42:30.719
<v Speaker 2>all the Dolores cannon like, and so that's what I

3036
02:42:30.799 --> 02:42:33.600
<v Speaker 2>keep on getting near death experiences, past live regression shit

3037
02:42:33.680 --> 02:42:37.719
<v Speaker 2>like That's what I'm into, so you almost are. You're directly,

3038
02:42:37.840 --> 02:42:41.479
<v Speaker 2>indirectly putting yourself into an echo chamber because you know

3039
02:42:41.520 --> 02:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>how the algorithm works. In a sense, so even in.

3040
02:42:44.399 --> 02:42:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Them's whole job is to keep your eyes glued to

3041
02:42:47.120 --> 02:42:50.879
<v Speaker 3>your screen individually. So what's gonna keep your eyes Jonathan

3042
02:42:50.920 --> 02:42:52.879
<v Speaker 3>glued to your screen is not necessarily what's gonna keep

3043
02:42:52.879 --> 02:42:55.319
<v Speaker 3>mind glued. But my algorithm is built to do the

3044
02:42:55.319 --> 02:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>same thing for me. That's how this whole thing works.

3045
02:42:58.159 --> 02:43:00.479
<v Speaker 2>That's how you know what's gotten bad. And we know

3046
02:43:00.520 --> 02:43:03.159
<v Speaker 2>that we can almost construct our own algorithm.

3047
02:43:03.559 --> 02:43:05.399
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh absolutely you can.

3048
02:43:05.840 --> 02:43:08.200
<v Speaker 2>That in a sense is like the Beauty and the Beast. Right,

3049
02:43:08.280 --> 02:43:09.159
<v Speaker 2>what's that called again?

3050
02:43:09.840 --> 02:43:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're talking about Stockholm syndromes.

3051
02:43:11.799 --> 02:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>We're essentially saying, we know that there is a beast

3052
02:43:15.520 --> 02:43:18.040
<v Speaker 2>that is controlling our life, but we're gonna fall in

3053
02:43:18.040 --> 02:43:20.840
<v Speaker 2>love with it anyway, if you really think about it.

3054
02:43:20.879 --> 02:43:23.120
<v Speaker 2>That's really what's going on. Whenever your thumb and social

3055
02:43:23.159 --> 02:43:26.040
<v Speaker 2>media all fucking day, you.

3056
02:43:26.079 --> 02:43:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Know they're listening, even when we're not listening. We've done

3057
02:43:28.440 --> 02:43:30.959
<v Speaker 3>so how many experiments we were talking about. Uh, oh,

3058
02:43:31.000 --> 02:43:33.520
<v Speaker 3>we don't even own a cat. You just randomly for

3059
02:43:33.559 --> 02:43:35.840
<v Speaker 3>about a week, randomly throughout the day say oh, yeah,

3060
02:43:35.840 --> 02:43:38.040
<v Speaker 3>we need to go buy some cat food. Next thing,

3061
02:43:38.040 --> 02:43:40.520
<v Speaker 3>you know, you see so many ads on your YouTube,

3062
02:43:40.559 --> 02:43:43.200
<v Speaker 3>on your TikTok or whatever about some deal on cat

3063
02:43:43.239 --> 02:43:46.280
<v Speaker 3>food going on. That's the thing that multiple people have done.

3064
02:43:46.360 --> 02:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh and it listens in on your conversations big time.

3065
02:43:48.840 --> 02:43:49.040
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

3066
02:43:49.200 --> 02:43:55.159
<v Speaker 2>And that's where it's security. Nobody's secure. Like your thoughts

3067
02:43:55.159 --> 02:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>aren't secure. The conversations you have aren't secure. Your interests

3068
02:43:58.040 --> 02:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>aren't secure, your disinterests aren't secure. What you've done, what

3069
02:44:01.079 --> 02:44:02.959
<v Speaker 2>you will do, what you're thinking about doing, what you

3070
02:44:03.000 --> 02:44:05.639
<v Speaker 2>did yesterday, what you did ten years ago, none of

3071
02:44:05.680 --> 02:44:08.680
<v Speaker 2>that is secure. We are in the ultimate surveillance state,

3072
02:44:09.120 --> 02:44:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and we are finding ways to be comfortable within the

3073
02:44:11.840 --> 02:44:15.040
<v Speaker 2>own prison. Okay, so this is a mental prison that

3074
02:44:15.920 --> 02:44:18.360
<v Speaker 2>they've constructed here over the course of fifty years, just

3075
02:44:18.399 --> 02:44:21.159
<v Speaker 2>fifty years, they figured out how to put everybody into

3076
02:44:21.200 --> 02:44:27.399
<v Speaker 2>their own mental prison. Ok So that involves the behavioral programming,

3077
02:44:27.479 --> 02:44:31.600
<v Speaker 2>whether it is on social media, YouTube, TikTok, podcast, memes, whatever, right,

3078
02:44:31.639 --> 02:44:33.479
<v Speaker 2>because there is such a thing as me magic, but

3079
02:44:33.719 --> 02:44:36.959
<v Speaker 2>that's for the other day. So the behavioral programming would

3080
02:44:36.959 --> 02:44:43.639
<v Speaker 2>be through algorithms, dopamine cycles, and identity engineering. Think about that,

3081
02:44:44.159 --> 02:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>people don't even know who they are until social media

3082
02:44:46.319 --> 02:44:51.319
<v Speaker 2>tells them who they are. So through algorithms, dopamine cycles,

3083
02:44:51.360 --> 02:44:54.559
<v Speaker 2>and identity engineering, the goal is to shape public perception,

3084
02:44:55.040 --> 02:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>reinforce division, or trigger mass emotion. Yep, it's obvious. It

3085
02:45:01.719 --> 02:45:04.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't take like a rocket scientist to figure out that

3086
02:45:04.239 --> 02:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>this is happening. They want to redefine truth. Okay, how

3087
02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:09.760
<v Speaker 2>do you read?

3088
02:45:09.920 --> 02:45:13.360
<v Speaker 3>Just trying the subjective? Right, It's what is your truth?

3089
02:45:13.680 --> 02:45:16.520
<v Speaker 3>Not what is the truth? Like? What is the understood

3090
02:45:16.559 --> 02:45:19.520
<v Speaker 3>guaranteed one plus one equals two truth? What is the

3091
02:45:19.559 --> 02:45:20.639
<v Speaker 3>truth to you?

3092
02:45:21.159 --> 02:45:23.479
<v Speaker 2>And we're not talking about anything spiritual this is we're

3093
02:45:23.479 --> 02:45:25.280
<v Speaker 2>not talking about that at all. We're talking about the

3094
02:45:25.360 --> 02:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>truth of government of the.

3095
02:45:29.479 --> 02:45:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Four genders versus two genders. That's a stupid example, but yet,

3096
02:45:32.719 --> 02:45:35.799
<v Speaker 3>but it's it's an example exactly exactly.

3097
02:45:35.920 --> 02:45:40.040
<v Speaker 2>So, redefining truth the operation may not only suppress info

3098
02:45:40.360 --> 02:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>but create alternate realities narratives that guide public belief while

3099
02:45:45.280 --> 02:45:47.360
<v Speaker 2>discrediting independent thought.

3100
02:45:48.120 --> 02:45:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, and you couple that with AI. Oh dude,

3101
02:45:51.159 --> 02:45:52.879
<v Speaker 3>don't even get me started on this shit.

3102
02:45:53.440 --> 02:45:56.559
<v Speaker 2>Just like Tommy Lee, Jones and Men in Black right on.

3103
02:45:57.600 --> 02:46:00.440
<v Speaker 2>The individual is stupid. Actually, uh, George Carlin, I saw this.

3104
02:46:00.760 --> 02:46:02.600
<v Speaker 2>He was on back whenever he was alive. He was

3105
02:46:02.600 --> 02:46:04.760
<v Speaker 2>on like David Letterman or something like that. He goes,

3106
02:46:05.079 --> 02:46:07.840
<v Speaker 2>if I could annihilate every single group, if I could

3107
02:46:07.920 --> 02:46:10.319
<v Speaker 2>just drop a fucking nuke on top of all of them,

3108
02:46:10.360 --> 02:46:14.159
<v Speaker 2>I would. The individual I love, I love each individual,

3109
02:46:14.360 --> 02:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>But you start gathering in twos and threes and groups

3110
02:46:16.920 --> 02:46:20.520
<v Speaker 2>of tens and twenties, I fucking hate them, right, Like,

3111
02:46:20.799 --> 02:46:22.879
<v Speaker 2>that's George Carlin. He's a comedian, but he was always

3112
02:46:22.879 --> 02:46:24.120
<v Speaker 2>on some real shit right.

3113
02:46:24.360 --> 02:46:26.319
<v Speaker 3>It's just like you said from me in black. The

3114
02:46:26.360 --> 02:46:30.159
<v Speaker 3>person is smart. The person individual is smart. People are panicky.

3115
02:46:30.200 --> 02:46:32.879
<v Speaker 3>It's the mob. They can be easily controlled and cattle herded.

3116
02:46:34.000 --> 02:46:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So they want to redefine truth by creating alternate

3117
02:46:39.440 --> 02:46:43.520
<v Speaker 2>realities and narratives that guide public belief while discrediting independent thought.

3118
02:46:43.879 --> 02:46:49.440
<v Speaker 2>What a what a fucking genius idea evil genius but genius, No.

3119
02:46:49.520 --> 02:46:51.719
<v Speaker 3>Evil genius but genius none the less one hundred percent.

3120
02:46:52.479 --> 02:46:54.920
<v Speaker 2>So then how are they doing it? Like as far

3121
02:46:54.959 --> 02:46:58.239
<v Speaker 2>as their tactics and techniques, So you have bought armies

3122
02:46:58.319 --> 02:47:01.639
<v Speaker 2>and sock puppets sounds interesting. We all know that. Like

3123
02:47:01.680 --> 02:47:05.040
<v Speaker 2>whenever Elon bought Twitter, what was it like like sixty

3124
02:47:05.079 --> 02:47:07.799
<v Speaker 2>percent of all Twitter was bots or some crazy number

3125
02:47:07.879 --> 02:47:12.360
<v Speaker 2>like that, affecting the algorithm ultimately, right, because you're going

3126
02:47:12.440 --> 02:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>to be arguing in the comments section of a somebody's

3127
02:47:14.959 --> 02:47:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Twitter post and meanwhile you it's it's literally a bot

3128
02:47:18.360 --> 02:47:18.920
<v Speaker 2>of division.

3129
02:47:19.239 --> 02:47:21.760
<v Speaker 3>It's a box to get you to hate an AI bot.

3130
02:47:22.120 --> 02:47:22.920
<v Speaker 3>That's what you're doing.

3131
02:47:23.120 --> 02:47:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Good luck. Yeah, and it's not gonna work.

3132
02:47:25.959 --> 02:47:28.280
<v Speaker 3>You can't why they tell people. Anybody in the content

3133
02:47:28.319 --> 02:47:30.639
<v Speaker 3>space will tell you, dude, don't read the comments. Don't

3134
02:47:30.680 --> 02:47:32.479
<v Speaker 3>read the people sipping hater aid. Hell, half of the

3135
02:47:32.559 --> 02:47:34.280
<v Speaker 3>main even people I don't.

3136
02:47:34.319 --> 02:47:38.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't read any of them, So I don't get

3137
02:47:38.120 --> 02:47:39.799
<v Speaker 2>caught up in any of that bullshit. I used to

3138
02:47:40.120 --> 02:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and it started to depress me, and it started to

3139
02:47:42.440 --> 02:47:45.280
<v Speaker 2>make me literally like question my own sanity and my

3140
02:47:45.319 --> 02:47:48.280
<v Speaker 2>own reality. And you don't want to do that. Like whatever,

3141
02:47:48.319 --> 02:47:51.280
<v Speaker 2>you're whatever, you whatever you do that you're enjoying that

3142
02:47:51.360 --> 02:47:55.120
<v Speaker 2>you find like value out of life, don't let anybody

3143
02:47:55.159 --> 02:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>denigrate that like that. There's always going to be people

3144
02:47:58.000 --> 02:48:00.360
<v Speaker 2>sipping hater aid. Those are the same people that are

3145
02:48:00.360 --> 02:48:02.520
<v Speaker 2>sitting at home and their grandma's basement that are never

3146
02:48:02.559 --> 02:48:06.920
<v Speaker 2>going to becoming in anything, and so I mean it's

3147
02:48:07.040 --> 02:48:09.239
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like, you know, it's kind of like

3148
02:48:09.280 --> 02:48:11.280
<v Speaker 2>people just if they can't have it, they want to

3149
02:48:11.280 --> 02:48:14.520
<v Speaker 2>watch the world burn. And those people absolutely holistic hater.

3150
02:48:14.840 --> 02:48:17.159
<v Speaker 3>I did my digging on him, and like, I feel

3151
02:48:17.200 --> 02:48:19.159
<v Speaker 3>bad for the guy now now that I know about

3152
02:48:19.200 --> 02:48:22.000
<v Speaker 3>who he is and like his life and shit, it's like, oh,

3153
02:48:22.159 --> 02:48:25.719
<v Speaker 3>this is like all he has is just spewing hateful

3154
02:48:25.760 --> 02:48:28.760
<v Speaker 3>rhetoric because like he's got nothing else going for him. Dude,

3155
02:48:28.879 --> 02:48:31.799
<v Speaker 3>he's like a wanna be photographer. One of his Instagram

3156
02:48:31.840 --> 02:48:33.799
<v Speaker 3>pages is a bunch of wanna be edgy pictures of

3157
02:48:33.879 --> 02:48:36.440
<v Speaker 3>him wearing a Michael Myers mask taking selfies in it.

3158
02:48:36.440 --> 02:48:38.559
<v Speaker 3>And I'm talking like over a hundred pictures of this.

3159
02:48:38.639 --> 02:48:41.799
<v Speaker 3>By the way, he thinks he's like a photographer. And

3160
02:48:41.799 --> 02:48:44.799
<v Speaker 3>it's like, you, poor bastard. Now, I don't I feel

3161
02:48:44.799 --> 02:48:46.639
<v Speaker 3>bad for you. I'm sorry that even called you out

3162
02:48:46.639 --> 02:48:47.879
<v Speaker 3>in the first place, like he.

3163
02:48:48.040 --> 02:48:52.399
<v Speaker 2>Just he actually he actually reached out and apologized on Instagram.

3164
02:48:52.959 --> 02:48:54.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember if I told the time No, that

3165
02:48:54.920 --> 02:48:56.120
<v Speaker 2>was just like a month ago.

3166
02:48:56.559 --> 02:48:57.879
<v Speaker 3>He's back on the hater train.

3167
02:48:57.959 --> 02:49:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Then oh yeah, yeah, but he he actually told us, so,

3168
02:49:01.239 --> 02:49:03.879
<v Speaker 2>anybody that is watching, you'll know that we have a very,

3169
02:49:04.040 --> 02:49:06.440
<v Speaker 2>very prolific hater. I'm not gonna say his name. I'm

3170
02:49:06.479 --> 02:49:09.559
<v Speaker 2>not gonna do that, but you'll always see it's usually

3171
02:49:09.600 --> 02:49:13.520
<v Speaker 2>the top review. Usually he wants to be front and center, Okay,

3172
02:49:14.200 --> 02:49:16.239
<v Speaker 2>And he actually reached out and he said, look, I

3173
02:49:16.280 --> 02:49:20.200
<v Speaker 2>actually do like you guys, but whenever you fuel me

3174
02:49:20.399 --> 02:49:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and you start talking about me, that only gives me

3175
02:49:23.360 --> 02:49:27.079
<v Speaker 2>the extra fucking rocket blaster boost that I need to

3176
02:49:27.200 --> 02:49:30.000
<v Speaker 2>keep on going and doing it. He goes like, so

3177
02:49:30.040 --> 02:49:32.799
<v Speaker 2>some people are like literally professional shit talkers, and they

3178
02:49:32.840 --> 02:49:35.600
<v Speaker 2>feed off of the energy that you're giving it. It's

3179
02:49:35.600 --> 02:49:38.799
<v Speaker 2>almost like demons in a sense, like if you feed

3180
02:49:38.879 --> 02:49:41.879
<v Speaker 2>into the fear of demons, it only makes them more powerful. Right,

3181
02:49:42.120 --> 02:49:44.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not calling this guy a demon, he's just

3182
02:49:44.040 --> 02:49:46.760
<v Speaker 2>some guy whatever. It's just a comparison.

3183
02:49:47.639 --> 02:49:50.879
<v Speaker 3>But he's one of the most people there's ever been.

3184
02:49:50.920 --> 02:49:53.360
<v Speaker 3>And like it's like, you know, if I had literally

3185
02:49:53.399 --> 02:49:56.000
<v Speaker 3>nothing else going on in my life, I would be

3186
02:49:56.079 --> 02:49:57.799
<v Speaker 3>pissed off at the world too, and I would just

3187
02:49:57.840 --> 02:49:59.959
<v Speaker 3>like start throwing shit at anybody I could.

3188
02:50:00.040 --> 02:50:04.159
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, all right, bro, do you hey, buddy,

3189
02:50:04.440 --> 02:50:06.440
<v Speaker 2>just keep talking about Jacob. I'm sticking up for you

3190
02:50:06.440 --> 02:50:06.840
<v Speaker 2>over here.

3191
02:50:07.760 --> 02:50:09.959
<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not even shitting on him like it. And

3192
02:50:10.000 --> 02:50:12.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm not even saying like, oh he's a pitch like no, no, no,

3193
02:50:12.319 --> 02:50:17.239
<v Speaker 3>I like whenever I found out more about him, it's like, oh, oh, okay,

3194
02:50:17.360 --> 02:50:17.959
<v Speaker 3>I get it.

3195
02:50:18.040 --> 02:50:20.799
<v Speaker 2>So it's this is like, you know, I mean, none

3196
02:50:20.840 --> 02:50:23.280
<v Speaker 2>of us are perfect. We all have our downfalls, and

3197
02:50:23.360 --> 02:50:27.239
<v Speaker 2>this just happens to be his, right. So that being said,

3198
02:50:27.280 --> 02:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>So there are tactics and in techniques that include bought

3199
02:50:30.920 --> 02:50:33.200
<v Speaker 2>armies and what they call sock puppets. So there are

3200
02:50:33.239 --> 02:50:37.079
<v Speaker 2>fake accounts that flood the comments section. They amplify narratives,

3201
02:50:37.600 --> 02:50:41.680
<v Speaker 2>they cancel dissidence or simulate consensus. And this is the thing,

3202
02:50:41.799 --> 02:50:44.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, I've actually heard about this where like a

3203
02:50:44.440 --> 02:50:46.719
<v Speaker 2>husband and a wife or a boyfriend and a girlfriend whatever,

3204
02:50:46.719 --> 02:50:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they stumbled across this one post and I don't remember

3205
02:50:49.000 --> 02:50:51.399
<v Speaker 2>what it was. There was something political. It was during

3206
02:50:51.479 --> 02:50:55.120
<v Speaker 2>the election, right, and they stumbled across this picture and

3207
02:50:55.520 --> 02:50:58.719
<v Speaker 2>one of them started reading the comments, right, like just

3208
02:50:58.760 --> 02:51:01.440
<v Speaker 2>seeing what's at the top, what people saying di da.

3209
02:51:01.559 --> 02:51:06.479
<v Speaker 2>Then the wife ends up reading the same exact Instagram post. Okay,

3210
02:51:06.719 --> 02:51:10.559
<v Speaker 2>started reading down the comments. The comments were so far

3211
02:51:11.360 --> 02:51:15.440
<v Speaker 2>like they weren't the same thing, okay, different like one

3212
02:51:15.559 --> 02:51:18.479
<v Speaker 2>was more pro Republican, one was more pro Democrat. It's

3213
02:51:18.520 --> 02:51:22.639
<v Speaker 2>the same exact post. But because your algorithm is built

3214
02:51:22.719 --> 02:51:25.680
<v Speaker 2>upon what you're interested in, it's going to show you

3215
02:51:25.760 --> 02:51:27.879
<v Speaker 2>something that you're going to react to. It's not always

3216
02:51:27.879 --> 02:51:30.200
<v Speaker 2>something that you like, it's just something that's going to

3217
02:51:30.239 --> 02:51:34.040
<v Speaker 2>garner your your reaction. That's the fuel, that's the energy.

3218
02:51:34.079 --> 02:51:35.959
<v Speaker 2>How can we get a reaction that's going to keep

3219
02:51:36.000 --> 02:51:39.200
<v Speaker 2>this person on this app, on this phone away from

3220
02:51:39.280 --> 02:51:43.239
<v Speaker 2>reality as much as humanly possible. So your reaction is

3221
02:51:43.280 --> 02:51:46.040
<v Speaker 2>the fuel, So just stop reacting. That's all they want.

3222
02:51:46.159 --> 02:51:48.079
<v Speaker 2>They want your reaction. They want to keep you in

3223
02:51:48.079 --> 02:51:51.920
<v Speaker 2>that fucking low vibration. So but yeah, I mean literally

3224
02:51:52.079 --> 02:51:55.040
<v Speaker 2>the comments, I mean, you could go down. You know,

3225
02:51:55.120 --> 02:51:56.760
<v Speaker 2>you can always just keep on hitting and see more,

3226
02:51:56.840 --> 02:51:59.000
<v Speaker 2>see more, see more, and you can go into like

3227
02:51:59.120 --> 02:52:01.639
<v Speaker 2>subcomments where there's a comment on a comment and keep

3228
02:52:01.680 --> 02:52:06.159
<v Speaker 2>on reading those entirely different for each individual's people live

3229
02:52:06.200 --> 02:52:10.239
<v Speaker 2>in the same house, Okay, so it's sick, it really is.

3230
02:52:10.680 --> 02:52:14.879
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, bot armies absolutely exist. Then there's shadow banning,

3231
02:52:14.920 --> 02:52:19.520
<v Speaker 2>which we know a lot about, and algorithm tweaks, so

3232
02:52:20.000 --> 02:52:24.120
<v Speaker 2>it says allegedly works with platforms to suppress content that

3233
02:52:24.200 --> 02:52:28.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't align with approved world views while boosting tailored disinformation.

3234
02:52:30.520 --> 02:52:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Anybody with a fucking two brain cells to put together

3235
02:52:34.120 --> 02:52:35.040
<v Speaker 2>knows that that's true.

3236
02:52:35.719 --> 02:52:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

3237
02:52:37.440 --> 02:52:39.959
<v Speaker 2>Then there's this thing called astroturfing. Have you ever heard

3238
02:52:40.000 --> 02:52:40.200
<v Speaker 2>of this?

3239
02:52:40.879 --> 02:52:41.920
<v Speaker 3>I have go ahead.

3240
02:52:42.000 --> 02:52:46.600
<v Speaker 2>So astro turfing makes fake movements look real, creating the

3241
02:52:46.639 --> 02:52:52.559
<v Speaker 2>illusion of mass support or opposition. Who remembers whenever Joe

3242
02:52:52.559 --> 02:52:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Biden was campaigning against Donald Trump in twenty twenty, you

3243
02:52:56.120 --> 02:53:00.440
<v Speaker 2>would see tens of thousands of people at these for

3244
02:53:00.479 --> 02:53:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Trump and you're like, there's no fucking way the Trump

3245
02:53:03.399 --> 02:53:05.719
<v Speaker 2>is going to lose, right, and it's all the spectacle.

3246
02:53:05.760 --> 02:53:08.639
<v Speaker 2>Then you see Joe Biden. He's hosting little fucking kids

3247
02:53:08.719 --> 02:53:12.840
<v Speaker 2>tea parties and somehow he is the highest voted for

3248
02:53:13.040 --> 02:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>president to ever be elected at the time. Right, yeah,

3249
02:53:16.959 --> 02:53:19.559
<v Speaker 2>never made any kind of sense, And so this is

3250
02:53:19.680 --> 02:53:24.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of an example of that, to where it's almost

3251
02:53:24.879 --> 02:53:29.239
<v Speaker 2>like it's telling you what you see is not reality.

3252
02:53:29.760 --> 02:53:33.159
<v Speaker 3>Oh bro, foreign news outlets were talking about after the

3253
02:53:33.200 --> 02:53:35.760
<v Speaker 3>election had happened, It's like, now, how did Trump win

3254
02:53:35.920 --> 02:53:37.840
<v Speaker 3>all of this in the last minute when Joe Biden

3255
02:53:37.879 --> 02:53:40.000
<v Speaker 3>looked like he stood such a chance, And it's like,

3256
02:53:40.840 --> 02:53:43.879
<v Speaker 3>who said that he stood a chance? Why would you

3257
02:53:43.959 --> 02:53:47.760
<v Speaker 3>believe that? And it's like, well, because the media that

3258
02:53:47.799 --> 02:53:50.079
<v Speaker 3>they were getting was showing that this was such a

3259
02:53:50.120 --> 02:53:52.719
<v Speaker 3>close race until the very end, and Trump fucking ran

3260
02:53:52.760 --> 02:53:55.360
<v Speaker 3>away with it. It's like, no no one in America

3261
02:53:55.520 --> 02:53:57.959
<v Speaker 3>for even a split second belief that this was a

3262
02:53:57.959 --> 02:54:01.680
<v Speaker 3>close race at all during the caaign, like not even

3263
02:54:01.719 --> 02:54:02.159
<v Speaker 3>a little bit.

3264
02:54:02.200 --> 02:54:04.479
<v Speaker 2>I actually believe that Trump cheated, But I think that

3265
02:54:04.559 --> 02:54:07.200
<v Speaker 2>everybody cheats, Like I think that every single president who

3266
02:54:07.200 --> 02:54:10.559
<v Speaker 2>has ever been president has absolutely had to cheat because

3267
02:54:10.879 --> 02:54:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the game's tilted.

3268
02:54:12.079 --> 02:54:14.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, Achie once he got shot in the face

3269
02:54:14.559 --> 02:54:16.799
<v Speaker 3>and had that whole iconic picture of him throwing the

3270
02:54:16.840 --> 02:54:18.840
<v Speaker 3>fight with the flag behind him, and I think it's like, yeah,

3271
02:54:18.840 --> 02:54:19.440
<v Speaker 3>he won this one.

3272
02:54:19.479 --> 02:54:23.879
<v Speaker 2>I think he just had to cheat less, Okay, can

3273
02:54:23.920 --> 02:54:25.920
<v Speaker 2>you see what I'm saying? Like, I think that there's

3274
02:54:25.959 --> 02:54:30.920
<v Speaker 2>absolutely you can't win a game that is rigged, like

3275
02:54:31.000 --> 02:54:33.840
<v Speaker 2>and we know this, Like that's that's an absolute fact.

3276
02:54:33.959 --> 02:54:38.719
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's astrotype astro turfing. Then you have deep

3277
02:54:38.760 --> 02:54:41.360
<v Speaker 2>fake influence. We've all been caught off guard by the

3278
02:54:41.399 --> 02:54:44.319
<v Speaker 2>deep fakes, right. AI is getting better by the fucking second.

3279
02:54:44.520 --> 02:54:48.239
<v Speaker 2>So emerging tools like AI generated faces and voices could

3280
02:54:48.280 --> 02:54:54.239
<v Speaker 2>be used to fabricate events, testimonies, or quote unquote proof. Yep, yeah, buddy,

3281
02:54:54.840 --> 02:54:57.079
<v Speaker 2>that's absolutely going on. It's going to continue to go on.

3282
02:54:58.000 --> 02:55:00.280
<v Speaker 2>People thought back in the day that the Aliens would

3283
02:55:00.280 --> 02:55:04.440
<v Speaker 2>come via Project Blue Beam, right, like just a simulated

3284
02:55:04.479 --> 02:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>sky event that would show all of the world's religious

3285
02:55:07.079 --> 02:55:10.120
<v Speaker 2>leaders coming together and merging into one. I think it's

3286
02:55:10.120 --> 02:55:11.079
<v Speaker 2>probably more AI.

3287
02:55:10.959 --> 02:55:15.399
<v Speaker 3>Driven these days. Sure, done with that.

3288
02:55:16.360 --> 02:55:19.680
<v Speaker 2>So you have your suspected modern day signs. So what

3289
02:55:19.799 --> 02:55:25.280
<v Speaker 2>to look for. So you have coordinated influencer messaging. Messaging

3290
02:55:25.360 --> 02:55:28.520
<v Speaker 2>rather it says when dozens of creators suddenly pushed the

3291
02:55:28.559 --> 02:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>same talking point within hours without transparency, that is a

3292
02:55:33.079 --> 02:55:37.440
<v Speaker 2>mocking jay red flag on. Yeah. Then you have the

3293
02:55:37.600 --> 02:55:42.239
<v Speaker 2>rapid narrative swings, so huge shifts in public focus. So,

3294
02:55:42.360 --> 02:55:47.399
<v Speaker 2>for example, sudden moral outrage over new topics suggest managed attention.

3295
02:55:47.879 --> 02:55:51.200
<v Speaker 2>So whenever you see George Floyd, he's getting taken out

3296
02:55:51.200 --> 02:55:54.040
<v Speaker 2>by this police officer and oh my god, he can't breathe, right,

3297
02:55:54.079 --> 02:55:56.319
<v Speaker 2>he has his fucking knee on his throat and on

3298
02:55:56.360 --> 02:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>his neck. And so you're gonna get people who are

3299
02:55:57.840 --> 02:56:01.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna outrage over that, and they don't really care about

3300
02:56:01.040 --> 02:56:04.440
<v Speaker 2>George Floyd's you know, his past, which obviously you know

3301
02:56:04.479 --> 02:56:06.399
<v Speaker 2>that shouldn't have to play into it either way. I mean,

3302
02:56:06.399 --> 02:56:08.879
<v Speaker 2>we're all humans. We deserve to be treated like humans.

3303
02:56:09.239 --> 02:56:11.719
<v Speaker 2>But that being said, whenever you look into it and

3304
02:56:11.719 --> 02:56:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you find out that the police officer and George Floyd

3305
02:56:14.239 --> 02:56:18.040
<v Speaker 2>have been boys for years, right, and then the movement

3306
02:56:18.079 --> 02:56:21.159
<v Speaker 2>that transfired after that, the Black Lives Matter movement that

3307
02:56:21.680 --> 02:56:26.120
<v Speaker 2>spurned from that situation itself, you want to talk about division.

3308
02:56:26.719 --> 02:56:30.479
<v Speaker 2>That is the most divisive thing since the fucking American Revolution.

3309
02:56:30.639 --> 02:56:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Bro. All of it's a part of Project mocking Jay, dude,

3310
02:56:34.399 --> 02:56:34.719
<v Speaker 3>all of.

3311
02:56:36.280 --> 02:56:38.479
<v Speaker 2>And then of course you have your boys like David

3312
02:56:38.479 --> 02:56:42.879
<v Speaker 2>Hogg with the crisis actor theories. It's not even theories

3313
02:56:43.239 --> 02:56:47.760
<v Speaker 2>like you can find that. There are literally organizations that

3314
02:56:47.840 --> 02:56:51.799
<v Speaker 2>have that that teach crisis actors. David Hogg's one of them.

3315
02:56:51.959 --> 02:56:55.399
<v Speaker 2>So while it may be controversial, uh, many Mocking Jay

3316
02:56:55.399 --> 02:56:58.680
<v Speaker 2>believers think that viral videos of quote unquote victims or

3317
02:56:58.719 --> 02:57:02.879
<v Speaker 2>witnesses in political events are staged or manipulated for sympathy

3318
02:57:03.120 --> 02:57:04.280
<v Speaker 2>or opinion control.

3319
02:57:04.600 --> 02:57:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I could see it one hundred percent, no doubt

3320
02:57:06.479 --> 02:57:08.920
<v Speaker 3>with that one. You have to wrap this one up though, brother,

3321
02:57:08.920 --> 02:57:10.440
<v Speaker 3>our guy to get the kid from school.

3322
02:57:10.360 --> 02:57:12.760
<v Speaker 2>Heard that we got one more thing, all right, So

3323
02:57:12.879 --> 02:57:16.040
<v Speaker 2>it says so who's involved? The CIA, the NSA, the

3324
02:57:16.120 --> 02:57:20.000
<v Speaker 2>DHS fusion cells. They're believed to be back to operating

3325
02:57:20.520 --> 02:57:24.920
<v Speaker 2>our back end, operating layers of the of the syops,

3326
02:57:24.959 --> 02:57:28.200
<v Speaker 2>possibly through partnerships with social media companies. Then you have

3327
02:57:28.280 --> 02:57:32.879
<v Speaker 2>private SYOPS firms such as Pallenteer, Cambridge Analytica, and various

3328
02:57:32.920 --> 02:57:35.799
<v Speaker 2>pr agencies that may act as fronts to do what

3329
02:57:35.920 --> 02:57:38.879
<v Speaker 2>governments officially can't. We kind of mentioned the uh the

3330
02:57:38.920 --> 02:57:43.159
<v Speaker 2>oculus in Texas. Then you have celebrities and mega influencers,

3331
02:57:43.440 --> 02:57:48.079
<v Speaker 2>so some of them are suspected assets, knowingly or unknowingly

3332
02:57:48.120 --> 02:57:51.799
<v Speaker 2>pushing narratives in exchange for protection deals or platform favor.

3333
02:57:52.440 --> 02:57:54.920
<v Speaker 2>That one's not hard to believe, So just want to

3334
02:57:54.920 --> 02:57:57.159
<v Speaker 2>throw it out there. I hope everybody got a little

3335
02:57:57.159 --> 02:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>bit of information so that that way, whenever you start

3336
02:58:00.120 --> 02:58:02.520
<v Speaker 2>looking at media. You know what to look for because

3337
02:58:02.520 --> 02:58:05.360
<v Speaker 2>it's already been done. You see the blueprint of all

3338
02:58:05.399 --> 02:58:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of it. Okay, so you're not crazy, you're just thinking

3339
02:58:07.920 --> 02:58:09.639
<v Speaker 2>with that third eye all the way open. So I

3340
02:58:09.719 --> 02:58:11.440
<v Speaker 2>just want to say, cult members, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 3>You kind of took my outro on that one, but

3347
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