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Speaker 1: We heard the news and the Hollywood shuffle that Gene Hackman,
Speaker 1: his wife, and one of his dogs were found dead,
Speaker 1: very very sad, and this particular segment, we'll want to
Speaker 1: spend any time getting into the news story or any
Speaker 1: of the things that surround that. We just wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of tip our caps to the great Gene Hackman
Speaker 1: if we could and skin How did we ever stumble
Speaker 1: into the debate between that classic old rivalry who's a
Speaker 1: better actor, Gene Hackman or Michael Kaine.
Speaker 2: I don't remember, but.
Speaker 1: I think it had to do with the idea of
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, okay, does that sound right?
Speaker 1: So I the way I the lens in which I
Speaker 1: look at a lot of these actors is I turn
Speaker 1: it back to sports and I'm like, Okay, if Gene
Speaker 1: Hackman is your starting quarterback, you can win that movie.
Speaker 1: You can win that game. He is a great leading man.
Speaker 1: And it really comes down to I mean, look at it,
Speaker 1: like PJ. Washington the other night against the Lakers, he
Speaker 1: was forced into being the MAVs second most important player.
Speaker 1: That's a little better when he's your third or fourth
Speaker 1: most important player. Right now, you've got some serious depth.
Speaker 1: But if you have to have PJ. Washington as the
Speaker 1: lead actor, if he's your best player, then you're kind
Speaker 1: of what the Hornets used to be. Right. I'm remembering
Speaker 1: this really well because I think my contention is that
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman was a system quarterback, and so if you
Speaker 1: put him in a system like Hoosiers, where you know,
Speaker 1: it's not contingent on being about the leading man, it's
Speaker 1: about the story. Because you know, one of the things
Speaker 1: that Gene Hackman was known for is that he was
Speaker 1: He did a really amazing job of playing the quote
Speaker 1: unquote every man. And when he really got on people's
Speaker 1: radars was with Bonnie and Clyde, and he was just
Speaker 1: sort of all right, this is just kind of.
Speaker 2: A Middle America.
Speaker 1: I mean, here's Warren Batty over here looking like a
Speaker 1: matinee superstar sex machine. But Gene Hackman was like, man,
Speaker 1: this guy's an amazing actor. He's the everyman. He's all
Speaker 1: of us. But depending on the season, if you have
Speaker 1: the right system, in a really good defense, he could
Speaker 1: quarterback you to a super Bowl. Right, And you think
Speaker 1: that Michael Kaine is a better system quarterback than Gene Hackman, No,
Speaker 1: I think they're I think Michael Kaine's the equivalent to
Speaker 1: Jacah Hackman.
Speaker 2: They're the equivalent, Well they're the same.
Speaker 1: Base That became a second that became a secondary debate
Speaker 1: because I would maintain that Gene Hackman is a far
Speaker 1: superior actor to the great Michael Kane.
Speaker 2: But then you get into a situation.
Speaker 1: Where you're being forced to take the position that tears
Speaker 1: down someone who's awesome. I don't want to tear down
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine. I think Michael Kaine's great, but I do
Speaker 1: want to talk about some of the Why are you
Speaker 1: tearing down Michael Kaine? It's Gene Hackman's death. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about a lot of these great movie need
Speaker 1: to see Blame it on Rio again? Oh God, such
Speaker 1: a good film with Joseph Mologna. Okay, so ask a
Speaker 1: quick Michael Kaine questions, Yes, exciting.
Speaker 3: Is it bad that all I know him from is
Speaker 3: when he one of the Alfreds?
Speaker 1: Yeah he was in the Batman movie. Okay, No, not
Speaker 1: that's not bad at all. What else you're young? Gene
Speaker 1: Hackman died at held.
Speaker 2: Ninety five, and he hasn't His last movie was O.
Speaker 1: Four, Okay, and so Michael Caine, I think is ninety
Speaker 1: one or ninety three?
Speaker 2: Is he not old? Ninety one? Okay?
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's ninety one, So no, it's not you're
Speaker 1: a young man. That's not a common but this is
Speaker 1: an older actor in Mine and Skins Lives and we're
Speaker 1: older dudes. So but if you wanted to see a
Speaker 1: good Michael Caine movie, to really get the full scale
Speaker 1: of the greatness of Michael Caine, I would recommend Dirty
Speaker 1: Rotten Scoundrel mart Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, was he in gold Member? That's great?
Speaker 1: What was the movie he was in where he was
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist and he's about dressed to kill dressed to
Speaker 1: kill badass?
Speaker 2: That's a Brian de Palmer. Oh that was a good movie. Okay,
Speaker 2: he was? He was?
Speaker 1: He was in the original Get Carter, that Sylvester's Alone remade, right,
Speaker 1: he was in the nineteen sixty nine British version or
Speaker 1: something like that. So if you had to guess which
Speaker 1: actor was in has been in more movies, Gene Hackman
Speaker 1: or Michael Kaine, I would say Gene Hackman because he's American.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I would say Gene Hackman because he's four
Speaker 3: years older. When he died than Michael Kanner's ninety one.
Speaker 3: I'm going Gene Hackman just because I know more movies
Speaker 3: besides just Alfred.
Speaker 2: Like Kat said, I'm a pivot.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say Michael Kaine because, as I told you,
Speaker 3: Gene Hackman's last movie was two thousand and four Welcome
Speaker 3: to the Sport.
Speaker 2: So Gene Hackman.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because when I googled this, they didn't give
Speaker 1: me an exact number.
Speaker 2: They said Gene Hackman was in about eighty movies, and.
Speaker 1: Then so I looked it up for Michael Kaine, they
Speaker 1: said he was in about one hundred and sixty films.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, okay, However, volume shooter. You know, we
Speaker 1: can look at their report cards in this now. Before
Speaker 1: we get to their comparative report cards. I do want
Speaker 1: to mention some of the greatest movies, and it would
Speaker 1: love to get anyone's thoughts. And I'm sure Skin and
Speaker 1: I are far more familiar with these movies. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna throw some of my favorites out. Royal ten and Bombs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's dating Wes Anderson Acolyte, so I would think that
Speaker 1: she's very familiar with that.
Speaker 2: I love that movie. Great.
Speaker 1: Oh good, have you ever you want to talk some jive?
Speaker 1: Let's talk some jive Coltrane? He goes, and he has
Speaker 1: you call me Coltrane. No, but but if I did, yes, Uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's great. He was.
Speaker 2: He was perfect in that role.
Speaker 1: I man, I kind of want to see if kat
Speaker 1: has the stamina to make it through the conversation.
Speaker 2: Okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: There are so many other films of his that I love. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some of these you haven't seen, because
Speaker 1: I see every terrible movie.
Speaker 2: Enemy of the State with Will Smith. I never saw that.
Speaker 3: I remember that being promoted heavily in the late nineties.
Speaker 2: Heist with Sam Rockwall. Never saw Rockwell.
Speaker 1: I love Sam Rockwell, but I never saw that the
Speaker 1: firm I did see that.
Speaker 2: It's a long time.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Wilfrid Brimley was the bad guy, and which isn't believable,
Speaker 1: but God, Gene Hackman was awesome that. Of course Hoosiers.
Speaker 1: He was such a believable basketball coach. He was great
Speaker 1: in Hoosier's Fantastic. Probably that in Mississippi Burning were probably
Speaker 1: the roles he's most known for. I would think Get Shorty,
Speaker 1: which was a comedy really really good. He's great, he's
Speaker 1: great and everything he's in. Unforgiven was his one of
Speaker 1: his westerns. He was great in that, directed by Clint Eastwood,
Speaker 1: No Way Out. I love in her film. I love
Speaker 1: him in No Way Out. He plays a corrupt senator
Speaker 1: and he's really really good in that. He was great
Speaker 1: as Lex Luthor and Superman badass in that. I went
Speaker 1: back and watched this one recently. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but the French Connection, that movie's badass. It's really good.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. See, he gets connected addicted to heroin.
Speaker 2: They forced him to get addicted to heroin.
Speaker 1: Or something, and then he has to snap out of
Speaker 1: it and still solve all the crime. So he was
Speaker 1: on a run. Basically. It started with Bonnie and Clyde.
Speaker 1: But when he did The French Connection, which was a
Speaker 1: Landmark film, I mean it was a landmark film. You
Speaker 1: want to talk about the whole anti hero dirty cop thing,
Speaker 1: I mean it goes back to the French Connection. And
Speaker 1: then he did which was a William Friedkin movie. And
Speaker 1: then he did The Conversation, which was a Coppola movie
Speaker 1: that he did after the success of the Godfathers, and
Speaker 1: that movie is badass, and it really the whole movie
Speaker 1: centers around Hackman's performance and how he starts going crazy,
Speaker 1: is he gets more and more intertwined in the surveillance life,
Speaker 1: like that's a he's setting the stage in the early
Speaker 1: seventies for the kind of work he's going to do forever.
Speaker 2: He was also in the Poseidon adventure.
Speaker 1: You know, the ship, the big ocean liner gets turned
Speaker 1: upside down and one brave hero has to, you know,
Speaker 1: guide everyone to safety.
Speaker 2: Was he the hero? He's that guy, He's the Gene Heckman,
Speaker 2: He's that guy.
Speaker 1: And then you know, see, I maintain that Michael Kaine
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest actors of all time.
Speaker 2: But he's one of the greatest.
Speaker 1: It's like saying in uh, he's Scottie Pippen to me,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna be Michael Jordan. And
Speaker 1: in some cases, Gene Hackman could morph into being Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan for your.
Speaker 2: Squad and if it was Hoosiers, so the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like so obviously, when you start talking about who's
Speaker 1: the greatest actor of all time, a lot of people
Speaker 1: think it's Denzel Washington. And if you take Crimson Tide
Speaker 1: now You've got Denzel and Gene Hackman squaring off, and
Speaker 1: that is a badass movie. He's generally, I think this
Speaker 1: is what the impudence of the conversation was. I think
Speaker 1: he's a character actor for the most part. There's very
Speaker 1: few films where he was the leading man in it, right,
Speaker 1: but he's always a prominent part of it. Like, for example,
Speaker 1: you just mentioned that Denzel was the one A in
Speaker 1: that No Way Out. Kevin Costner was the one A
Speaker 1: in that. Actually during the French Connection, Scheider was your
Speaker 1: one A in that right now, he was the lead
Speaker 1: in the conversation for example. But he was generally more
Speaker 1: of a character actor than a lead doctor. I'd say
Speaker 1: he's not really a character actor, but he's also not
Speaker 1: really a lead dog.
Speaker 2: He's more of a but to me.
Speaker 1: Build movies around him, could there his roles that he
Speaker 1: was great for a movie, good enough to take you
Speaker 1: to a super Bowl, but he could in the right
Speaker 1: Michael Kine is like was even Michael.
Speaker 2: Kaine was definitely a character actor.
Speaker 1: Like not he's not even on Gene Hackman's quite on
Speaker 1: his level, but he's close, but he's not quite there.
Speaker 3: But what we're gonna say, well, I feel like we're
Speaker 3: kind of talking about these guys like theyre Trent Dilfer
Speaker 3: or Carry Collins or something. I feel like we're more
Speaker 3: in the Dak Kirk Cousins realm.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, maybe so maybe so maybe that's
Speaker 1: where this conversation.
Speaker 2: Hackman is Dak.
Speaker 1: I think he's Dackman, and I think I think I'm
Speaker 1: blanking on the other dude, Michael Michael Kaine is who.
Speaker 2: Is that like Dak? I mean maybe Gene Hackman's romo
Speaker 2: and Dak is for an older crowd.
Speaker 1: Dak is Shane Falco in the replacement. I think I
Speaker 1: think Gene Hackman is Danny White. Okay, I can't expect
Speaker 1: that he got you do some he got you to
Speaker 1: some conference championship games, but he was also the punter
Speaker 1: and no one ever expected you to get to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl with Okay, so let's just look at it
Speaker 1: like this. In about eighty films, this is Gene Hackman's
Speaker 1: report card compared to in about one hundred and sixty films,
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine's report card Academy Awards. And he guesses on
Speaker 1: what the score is nominations or wins, wins. I think
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman won for Mississippi Burning.
Speaker 2: I believe. What do you think the score is there
Speaker 2: between those two actors. I think, yeah, one to nothing, Gene, it's.
Speaker 1: Two to two. Teach of them has two Academy Awards. Okay,
Speaker 1: well are they both for Supporting Actor?
Speaker 2: I don't have all that information. Okay, we'll get back
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 1: On that Golden Globes, the score is four to three
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine, because globes are more global. Gene Hackman has
Speaker 1: four and Michael Caine has three. Okay, British Academy Film Awards,
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine, now, Gene Hackman has two. Michael Kaine has
Speaker 1: won well, even the Brits, and then in Screen Actors
Speaker 1: Guild Awards they each have one. And so basically Michael Kaine,
Speaker 1: at the age of ninety one now has a few
Speaker 1: years to go, get some films, and if he could
Speaker 1: win one British Academy Film Award in one Golden Globe,
Speaker 1: he will tie the great Gene Hackman, and I think
Speaker 1: he will knock that out this year. Rest in peace,
Speaker 1: Gene Hackman. I'll never forget the time that Kat had
Speaker 1: a chance to be a presenter at the SAG Awards.
Speaker 1: He looked the entire audience dead in the eye. He
Speaker 1: stood up on that podium and he said, Jene's oscar
Speaker 1: was for the French Connection.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: He said that confirming a thought from an earlier time.
Speaker 1: Was it best supporting actor.
Speaker 3: Supporting actor was unforgiven. He was best actor French Connection.
Speaker 3: That's what I told.
Speaker 1: In your face, skin in my face. Christina's next here
Speaker 1: on the Eagle.
Speaker 2: There you going, well, I'm gonna get my sack bag. Dude,
Speaker 2: I got to take a boo book