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<v Speaker 2>Oh thank you, Cynthia. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>We heard the news and the Hollywood shuffle that Gene Hackman,

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, and one of his dogs were found dead,

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<v Speaker 1>very very sad, and this particular segment, we'll want to

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<v Speaker 1>spend any time getting into the news story or any

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that surround that. We just wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tip our caps to the great Gene Hackman

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<v Speaker 1>if we could and skin How did we ever stumble

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<v Speaker 1>into the debate between that classic old rivalry who's a

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<v Speaker 1>better actor, Gene Hackman or Michael Kaine.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it had to do with the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>a starting quarterback.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, okay, does that sound right?

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<v Speaker 1>So I the way I the lens in which I

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<v Speaker 1>look at a lot of these actors is I turn

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<v Speaker 1>it back to sports and I'm like, Okay, if Gene

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<v Speaker 1>Hackman is your starting quarterback, you can win that movie.

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<v Speaker 1>You can win that game. He is a great leading man.

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<v Speaker 1>And it really comes down to I mean, look at it,

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<v Speaker 1>like PJ. Washington the other night against the Lakers, he

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<v Speaker 1>was forced into being the MAVs second most important player.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a little better when he's your third or fourth

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<v Speaker 1>most important player. Right now, you've got some serious depth.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you have to have PJ. Washington as the

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<v Speaker 1>lead actor, if he's your best player, then you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of what the Hornets used to be. Right. I'm remembering

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<v Speaker 1>this really well because I think my contention is that

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<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman was a system quarterback, and so if you

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<v Speaker 1>put him in a system like Hoosiers, where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not contingent on being about the leading man, it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the story. Because you know, one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that Gene Hackman was known for is that he was

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<v Speaker 1>He did a really amazing job of playing the quote

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<v Speaker 1>unquote every man. And when he really got on people's

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<v Speaker 1>radars was with Bonnie and Clyde, and he was just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of all right, this is just kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>A Middle America.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, here's Warren Batty over here looking like a

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<v Speaker 1>matinee superstar sex machine. But Gene Hackman was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's an amazing actor. He's the everyman. He's all

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<v Speaker 1>of us. But depending on the season, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>the right system, in a really good defense, he could

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback you to a super Bowl. Right, And you think

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<v Speaker 1>that Michael Kaine is a better system quarterback than Gene Hackman, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're I think Michael Kaine's the equivalent to

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<v Speaker 1>Jacah Hackman.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the equivalent, Well they're the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Base That became a second that became a secondary debate

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<v Speaker 1>because I would maintain that Gene Hackman is a far

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<v Speaker 1>superior actor to the great Michael Kane.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you get into a situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you're being forced to take the position that tears

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<v Speaker 1>down someone who's awesome. I don't want to tear down

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kaine. I think Michael Kaine's great, but I do

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about some of the Why are you

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<v Speaker 1>tearing down Michael Kaine? It's Gene Hackman's death. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about a lot of these great movie need

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<v Speaker 1>to see Blame it on Rio again? Oh God, such

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<v Speaker 1>a good film with Joseph Mologna. Okay, so ask a

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<v Speaker 1>quick Michael Kaine questions, Yes, exciting.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it bad that all I know him from is

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<v Speaker 3>when he one of the Alfreds?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was in the Batman movie. Okay, No, not

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<v Speaker 1>that's not bad at all. What else you're young? Gene

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<v Speaker 1>Hackman died at held.

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<v Speaker 2>Ninety five, and he hasn't His last movie was O.

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<v Speaker 1>Four, Okay, and so Michael Caine, I think is ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one or ninety three?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he not old? Ninety one? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so he's ninety one, So no, it's not you're

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<v Speaker 1>a young man. That's not a common but this is

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<v Speaker 1>an older actor in Mine and Skins Lives and we're

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<v Speaker 1>older dudes. So but if you wanted to see a

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<v Speaker 1>good Michael Caine movie, to really get the full scale

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<v Speaker 1>of the greatness of Michael Caine, I would recommend Dirty

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<v Speaker 1>Rotten Scoundrel mart Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, was he in gold Member? That's great?

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<v Speaker 1>What was the movie he was in where he was

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<v Speaker 1>a psychiatrist and he's about dressed to kill dressed to

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<v Speaker 1>kill badass?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a Brian de Palmer. Oh that was a good movie. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>he was? He was?

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<v Speaker 1>He was in the original Get Carter, that Sylvester's Alone remade, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he was in the nineteen sixty nine British version or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So if you had to guess which

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<v Speaker 1>actor was in has been in more movies, Gene Hackman

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<v Speaker 1>or Michael Kaine, I would say Gene Hackman because he's American.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Yeah, I would say Gene Hackman because he's four

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<v Speaker 3>years older. When he died than Michael Kanner's ninety one.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going Gene Hackman just because I know more movies

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<v Speaker 3>besides just Alfred.

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<v Speaker 2>Like Kat said, I'm a pivot.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna say Michael Kaine because, as I told you,

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<v Speaker 3>Gene Hackman's last movie was two thousand and four Welcome

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<v Speaker 3>to the Sport.

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<v Speaker 2>So Gene Hackman.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting because when I googled this, they didn't give

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<v Speaker 1>me an exact number.

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<v Speaker 2>They said Gene Hackman was in about eighty movies, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Then so I looked it up for Michael Kaine, they

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<v Speaker 1>said he was in about one hundred and sixty films.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, yeah, okay, However, volume shooter. You know, we

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<v Speaker 1>can look at their report cards in this now. Before

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<v Speaker 1>we get to their comparative report cards. I do want

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<v Speaker 1>to mention some of the greatest movies, and it would

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<v Speaker 1>love to get anyone's thoughts. And I'm sure Skin and

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<v Speaker 1>I are far more familiar with these movies. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna throw some of my favorites out. Royal ten and Bombs. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's dating Wes Anderson Acolyte, so I would think that

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<v Speaker 1>she's very familiar with that.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that movie. Great.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh good, have you ever you want to talk some jive?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk some jive Coltrane? He goes, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>you call me Coltrane. No, but but if I did, yes, Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's great. He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He was perfect in that role.

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<v Speaker 1>I man, I kind of want to see if kat

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<v Speaker 1>has the stamina to make it through the conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many other films of his that I love. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's gonna be some of these you haven't seen, because

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<v Speaker 1>I see every terrible movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Enemy of the State with Will Smith. I never saw that.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember that being promoted heavily in the late nineties.

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<v Speaker 2>Heist with Sam Rockwall. Never saw Rockwell.

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<v Speaker 1>I love Sam Rockwell, but I never saw that the

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<v Speaker 1>firm I did see that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, Wilfrid Brimley was the bad guy, and which isn't believable,

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<v Speaker 1>but God, Gene Hackman was awesome that. Of course Hoosiers.

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<v Speaker 1>He was such a believable basketball coach. He was great

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<v Speaker 1>in Hoosier's Fantastic. Probably that in Mississippi Burning were probably

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<v Speaker 1>the roles he's most known for. I would think Get Shorty,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a comedy really really good. He's great, he's

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<v Speaker 1>great and everything he's in. Unforgiven was his one of

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<v Speaker 1>his westerns. He was great in that, directed by Clint Eastwood,

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<v Speaker 1>No Way Out. I love in her film. I love

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<v Speaker 1>him in No Way Out. He plays a corrupt senator

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<v Speaker 1>and he's really really good in that. He was great

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<v Speaker 1>as Lex Luthor and Superman badass in that. I went

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<v Speaker 1>back and watched this one recently. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but the French Connection, that movie's badass. It's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god. See, he gets connected addicted to heroin.

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<v Speaker 2>They forced him to get addicted to heroin.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something, and then he has to snap out of

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<v Speaker 1>it and still solve all the crime. So he was

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<v Speaker 1>on a run. Basically. It started with Bonnie and Clyde.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he did The French Connection, which was a

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<v Speaker 1>Landmark film, I mean it was a landmark film. You

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it goes back to the French Connection. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he did which was a William Friedkin movie. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he did The Conversation, which was a Coppola movie

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<v Speaker 1>that he did after the success of the Godfathers, and

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<v Speaker 1>that movie is badass, and it really the whole movie

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<v Speaker 1>centers around Hackman's performance and how he starts going crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>is he gets more and more intertwined in the surveillance life,

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<v Speaker 1>like that's a he's setting the stage in the early

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<v Speaker 1>seventies for the kind of work he's going to do forever.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also in the Poseidon adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the ship, the big ocean liner gets turned

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<v Speaker 1>guide everyone to safety.

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<v Speaker 2>Was he the hero? He's that guy, He's the Gene Heckman,

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<v Speaker 2>He's that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, see, I maintain that Michael Kaine

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the greatest actors of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's one of the greatest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like saying in uh, he's Scottie Pippen to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's ever gonna be Michael Jordan. And

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases, Gene Hackman could morph into being Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan for your.

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<v Speaker 2>Squad and if it was Hoosiers, so the two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like so obviously, when you start talking about who's

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest actor of all time, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>think it's Denzel Washington. And if you take Crimson Tide

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<v Speaker 1>now You've got Denzel and Gene Hackman squaring off, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is a badass movie. He's generally, I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is what the impudence of the conversation was. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he's a character actor for the most part. There's very

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<v Speaker 1>few films where he was the leading man in it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's always a prominent part of it. Like, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>that No Way Out. Kevin Costner was the one A

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<v Speaker 1>in that. Actually during the French Connection, Scheider was your

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<v Speaker 1>one A in that right now, he was the lead

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<v Speaker 1>in the conversation for example. But he was generally more

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<v Speaker 1>of a character actor than a lead doctor. I'd say

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<v Speaker 1>he's not really a character actor, but he's also not

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<v Speaker 2>He's more of a but to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Build movies around him, could there his roles that he

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<v Speaker 1>was great for a movie, good enough to take you

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<v Speaker 1>to a super Bowl, but he could in the right

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kine is like was even Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>Kaine was definitely a character actor.

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<v Speaker 1>Like not he's not even on Gene Hackman's quite on

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<v Speaker 1>his level, but he's close, but he's not quite there.

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<v Speaker 3>But what we're gonna say, well, I feel like we're

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<v Speaker 3>kind of talking about these guys like theyre Trent Dilfer

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<v Speaker 3>or Carry Collins or something. I feel like we're more

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<v Speaker 3>in the Dak Kirk Cousins realm.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, maybe so maybe so maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>where this conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Hackman is Dak.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's Dackman, and I think I think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>blanking on the other dude, Michael Michael Kaine is who.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that like Dak? I mean maybe Gene Hackman's romo

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<v Speaker 2>and Dak is for an older crowd.

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<v Speaker 1>Dak is Shane Falco in the replacement. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>think Gene Hackman is Danny White. Okay, I can't expect

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<v Speaker 1>that he got you do some he got you to

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<v Speaker 1>some conference championship games, but he was also the punter

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<v Speaker 1>and no one ever expected you to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>super Bowl with Okay, so let's just look at it

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<v Speaker 1>like this. In about eighty films, this is Gene Hackman's

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<v Speaker 1>report card compared to in about one hundred and sixty films,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kaine's report card Academy Awards. And he guesses on

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<v Speaker 1>what the score is nominations or wins, wins. I think

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<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman won for Mississippi Burning.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe. What do you think the score is there

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<v Speaker 2>between those two actors. I think, yeah, one to nothing, Gene, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Two to two. Teach of them has two Academy Awards. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well are they both for Supporting Actor?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have all that information. Okay, we'll get back

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<v Speaker 2>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>On that Golden Globes, the score is four to three

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kaine, because globes are more global. Gene Hackman has

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<v Speaker 1>four and Michael Caine has three. Okay, British Academy Film Awards,

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Kaine, now, Gene Hackman has two. Michael Kaine has

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<v Speaker 1>won well, even the Brits, and then in Screen Actors

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<v Speaker 1>Guild Awards they each have one. And so basically Michael Kaine,

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<v Speaker 1>at the age of ninety one now has a few

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<v Speaker 1>years to go, get some films, and if he could

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<v Speaker 1>win one British Academy Film Award in one Golden Globe,

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<v Speaker 1>he will tie the great Gene Hackman, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>he will knock that out this year. Rest in peace,

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<v Speaker 1>Gene Hackman. I'll never forget the time that Kat had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to be a presenter at the SAG Awards.

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<v Speaker 1>He looked the entire audience dead in the eye. He

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<v Speaker 1>stood up on that podium and he said, Jene's oscar

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<v Speaker 1>was for the French Connection.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>He said that confirming a thought from an earlier time.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it best supporting actor.

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<v Speaker 3>Supporting actor was unforgiven. He was best actor French Connection.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I told.

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<v Speaker 1>In your face, skin in my face. Christina's next here

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<v Speaker 1>on the Eagle.

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<v Speaker 2>There you going, well, I'm gonna get my sack bag. Dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to take a boo book