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Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering

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what the Greyload Show is about if you haven't heard

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previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by

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a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the

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days of the KTPF radio show. Their own radio show

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around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for

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over the three hours. I joined them in the last

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eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the guys

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felt they've just about had enough. It was a monumental

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effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It

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was a wonderful show. But unfortunately they are longer involved

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and the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.

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So I thought it would be nice to bring them

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back to life and bringing you the interviews that the

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guys conducted over those four years and include some of

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the most interesting people within the world of the paranormal

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and some not so, but it's nevertheless still very interesting people.

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This is a very special show of the KTPF Reload.

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This is a show that we did with John Blackburn

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and the Mysterious anguish Man Painting. We actually carried out

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a lot of investigation of the painting, actual live sounds.

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If you like, what you're going to hear tonight is

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the recording of that event. Now you'll also notice there

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are some very strange noises which we noticed actually in

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the studio and later on when we check the recordings.

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I have deliberately amplified those sounds, so hopefully you can

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hear them a bit clearer. Hopefully you're going to enjoy this.

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And it's a bit longer than usual because I've kept

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it as much as possible, so this is actually quite

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a long show, but hopefully you're going to enjoy it. Anyway.

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Here we go. Here is the KTBF Reload Show with

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the Anglishman Haunted Painting.

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Speaker 2: This program deals with themes of an adult nature and

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is intended for a mature audience.

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Speaker 3: Were little.

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Speaker 4: You're in the right place for online, unaware and honor

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all over the world talk radio. You hear us, We

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hear you.

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Speaker 5: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the KATERPF

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Community Talk Show live from Manchester, Okay. And my name

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is Susanne and I and we are here keeping the

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paranormal friendly right. Just to let you know who's going

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to be on the show tonight. Our guest tonight we

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have John Blackburn and Andy Mercer, who are live in

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the Hub as we speak. We were talking about this picture,

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which is called the anguish Man Painting, which has been

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following John around on his mysterious paranormal events for some

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time now, and he's joined us again to update us

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on the painting and how it's affecting his life. Good evening, John,

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good evening, are you. I'm fine, just about nice and

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he is here with us in the Hub.

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Speaker 6: I did give a big wave, didn't give it away.

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Speaker 5: We've got the haunting. Haunted painting is what we're calling it,

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isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Indeed? The anguish Man?

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Speaker 5: Right, So what we're going to do is we're going

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to talk to John in a moment. How are you again?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Very well, thank you. It's been a.

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Speaker 5: Good few months. Good few months, wouldn't you agree? There?

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So well, anyway, the reason why you're back is we've

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come back again to In fact, it's been over a year.

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I've just remembered because we've been in this house nearly

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a year and the last time you bought this. Yeah,

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I've been in this house twenty fifth November. Yeah, and

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we we saw this young man at last place, didn't we.

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Speaker 3: Indeed?

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Speaker 5: Now I hope you can see this lovely picture in

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the background there. This is a picture that's called the

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I don't think that's working, Stephen. This is a picture

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called that and it said the hanging. It's the what's

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the corner, young englishman? Oh dear? Not very good. But anyway,

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and you've carried this how long you had this picture

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Speaker 3: It's been round about three years now, three years, and

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it's kind of over that for years. It's kind of

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kind of weird really, but people are going to thinking

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barking mad. But I've kind of made a friendship of it.

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Speaker 5: Right well, before we go into what's been happening of late, okay,

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before you updated about it, first of all, for those

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of you don't know, John is from a group called

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Mysteria Paranorm. That's correct, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: That's correct?

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Speaker 6: And he's a mysterious paranorm.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he is mysterious paranormal. And how long have

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Speaker 6: Five years?

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Speaker 5: Five years? It goes fast than it when you move on,

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so Dave Joyce and it doesn't look like a lucky picture.

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Speaker 5: So, and you've during them five years. Three of them

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you've been with this, gentleman.

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Speaker 3: Have you? Yeah? Yeah, three of those years they are.

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of worked with it. I've been the most eventful. Let's

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say it's kind of over that three years, I've built

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a relationship, right, Okay, So.

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Speaker 5: First of all, tell the audience how you got to

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old on. We have a problem. Yep, you can just

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gone blank, I'll we're back. Don't do this life stream.

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Don't say it's amazing, be good. I need it working right.

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First of all, tell us how you've got the painting.

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How you found out about it?

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Speaker 3: Right? Originally, going back three years ago, gentlemen, can call

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Sean Robinson sent me an email and he said to

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this day that he sent it to the wrong person. Really,

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and I don't think anyone really probably took Sean seriously

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at the time, and I thought that he sent it

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to the wrong person. And I replied, after looking at

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the video, which is filmed in his house, basically gone

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back to the video. What actually happened is there was

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ten nights of Sean recording in the spare room, and

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he's had a lot of camcorder in the spare room

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and five times out of those ten nights.

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Speaker 5: Now I believe this is still on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: It is still on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: He's on the phone, isn't he hand happy every weekend? Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I looked at it and I thought, this

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is either a made up one, made up one, or

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it's a real deal. And you know, you got to

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keep an open mind sometimes hear about this. So I

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had a chat with Sean. I was really interested, and

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I decided to get together a development workshop, right, and

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I invited the painting on and Sean And it was

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at a place called Wasasdale Hall in Cumbria. And it was

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quite an interesting night, quite quite a few not things

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did happen, but not like they do now.

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Speaker 5: Right, Okay, so what happened on that night.

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Speaker 3: On that night, what we did was we put the

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painting inside the cellar. And then at that time the

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painting didn't have its own easel. Then since it's had

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its own easel, it's kind of put up a new

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ball game. And what I did is I popped it

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up on a snooker table in the cell and this lady,

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one of the regularly to come to the events, she

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decided to do a lone visual with the paint painting.

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for ten minutes, and she did it for charity. And

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she made about two and yeah, well done to her.

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getting a bit panic. At some point it said she

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she would hear footprints, sorry, coming from what sounded like

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from behind the painting, because she was sat probably about

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twelve foot away from the painting. I would time maybe fifteen,

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and she said she canle hear these footsteps walking towards her.

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front of her, turned right, yeah, and then went So

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she kind of panicked a bit. Yeah, but she did

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a ten minutes and then other people's don't say, well,

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if you do that, it's got to be the charity.

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that night. They decided to do their own little vidual

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of it, and all four of them said, because they

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are scratching noises coming from inside the painting. So that

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was that was that. But the only strange thing for

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me was I went to pick up Sean because he

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I can't remember. I think he's car did in work

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at that time, and he put the painting in the back,

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driving along in the paint with the painting and driving

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down his country. I like you when you feel that

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something is behind you. It was kind of like that.

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took the painting too, was Wasdale Hall, and I just

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put it on the side on this chair and I

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was thinking to himself, the atmosphere, the atmosphere is changing

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the minute by a minute, And I thought to himself,

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is it me?

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Speaker 6: Is it me?

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Speaker 3: Because I've been driving down and road in this car

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with this paint painting in the So I decided to

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just said to some of the guests, you know, how

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do you feel at the moment, And one of them said,

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it's changing in this room. The atmosphere is changing. Six

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of them said that they asked six Separd people and

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and that's probably all that happened on that particular night.

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gone weird and weird and weird to Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Now you've added something with this parinting, haven't you, Andy.

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Speaker 3: An event that's the cage in.

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Speaker 5: You Yeah, yeah, that was when we did the live

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a live feed to the the cage which is near

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Clacton on Sea. Yeah, and uh, it was you there,

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wasn't it. And and basically and he was with you

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on YouTube intents. We kept flicking back to you and

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you was doing experiments and stuff with this with this painting.

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British Lumnus ex Servicemen's Association.

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Speaker 3: It was quite an interesting thing. It got quite a

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a couple of radio shows and it was quite quite

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a good turnout, wasn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was. We had nearly one hundred people listening,

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because I was starting, I stood in front of the

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painting and I was in this room on my own,

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painting was behind me. The At that time I got

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friend of mine, Steve Griffiths, which I talked about later. Yeah,

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he had all the equipment there, all the cameras, and

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every single camera went down. Remember that we had loads

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and lot of problems went through. In the end, we

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had to use laptops and two laptops went down. It

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laptop of me in the spare room, and because of

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the light from the computer itself, you could see like

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a shadow of me stood in front of the painting.

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Speaker 5: I remember a lot of people in the in the

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chat room was mentioning it.

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Speaker 3: As well, and the shadow went down, but I didn't.

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a little bit. I think did you say you experienced something.

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Speaker 7: That the number of things definitely occurring somewhere was actually

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with the place rather than the painting. But certainly we

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did the experiment with hypnosis and regression to see that

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it came up with that and the Acts two in

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the room was very heavy, very heavy indeed during that

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period of certainly I remember there's some trouble getting you

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out of it before. After we carried out the experiment

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and some information came through was coherent and sensible. It

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certainly suggested a possible time framing period when the artist

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was alive and those feelings may have gone into the painting.

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like a it's a way of dealing with an inner

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trauma is to create things like a painting like that

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called art therapy, where you're trying to express those emotions

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through art. And it could be that the person who

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painted it did indeed have very negative experiences during World

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War two, was trying to express that in his art,

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how he felt with him and that was a manifestation

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of that.

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Speaker 3: It was quite interesting at night because we went in aggression.

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I remember coming out combining my eyes like that. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah,

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which is and one of the things that was weird

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about it was. It was just I was I remember

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being on this in this tunnel, and in front of

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me there was a person and behind him there's lots

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of other people as well, and the tunnel led out

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to a parade ground and I could see this young

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boy about eighteen. It was kind of kind of like

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an a fetal position, and although I couldn't see he

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was doing it, he was being kicked in and I

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couldn't see he was doing it, but I knew I

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was a next, and everybody else in the queue was next.

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But to the right of me I saw very clearly too,

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German soldiers. And they were like bigger than anybody else,

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you know, they are like everybody else in the tunnel

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was a different They were like giants, you know what.

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Speaker 6: I mean.

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Speaker 3: If they are a long term business because the concentration.

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Speaker 7: Camp pretty more state and then be well fed and

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looked after, so they was physically lar anyway.

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Speaker 3: And that was strange because that was strange for him,

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because where does an image in your mind come from?

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You know, like that it's just a bit odder.

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Speaker 7: Meal, is well, Like I spend the rest of the

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show describing how I think it works. That's what we're

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here for, but coffective unconscious that have talked about previously.

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They're tapping into something there. But that picture of the

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physical object creates a very strong link to that unconscious.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now, before we go any further, the Viscount just

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said that the image makes him think about someone who

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has mental disorders and screaming from the inside but no

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noise being heard from the outside, just saying Dave Lloyd

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said it reminds him of the screen picture. Which, yeah,

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now I agree with the Viscount because that's when it

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looks to me, is so it's somebody who's trying out

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for help but nobody's listening, if you understand me. Now,

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just take us back again to Sean. Now he's asked

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you if you want to do this by mistake, and

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you've taken up the offer.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, but he didn't ask me to do anything

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to why Actually he just got more footage and excited

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about it. And because of what he was writing you

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and you can read in between the lands and lines,

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I thought this guy has got something about him. Really,

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I believe what he's saying, and I kind of put

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an offer to him early and I said, look, why

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don't we carry on with this and let's find out

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more about the painting, because I don't believe you, and

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especially afterwards, they'll all believe him. And I kind of

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took it from there early and then what was born

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was the Englishman of Its Bone.

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Speaker 5: And you've been doing this for three years.

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Speaker 3: Now, Well, yeah, I have been doing it for three years,

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but it's kind of built up in the last twelve months.

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It's been. It's been right. But the way it works anyway,

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the reason why it's been the last twelve months is

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because if I worked with it twice a month, he

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is pretty active. If I work with him just on

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some month, it still does quite a lot, but not

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as much as he does twice a month. So the

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more I work with him, the stronger the connect connection is.

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I said to Sean a while ago, about a couple

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of months ago, now, for about six months ago. Now,

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I said, Sean, I'm getting a really strong, strong connection

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with him now. And he said, John said, you will

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do He says, when he was in the house, I

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was getting a strong connection with him too, and he says,

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that's why I filmed it in the first place.

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Speaker 5: Right now, what's the story? Background? Behind the picture.

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Speaker 3: The background behind the picture is the only thing we

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knew at that time when I first made friends with

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Sean and me we got together on it was that

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his grandmother, she always knew that Sean had a morbid

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fascination with the painting, and when she died she passed

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it down to him. She hated it in life, she

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hated it and it was left in the cellar hence

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some of the damage you can see now and basically

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old we knew then was that the artist painted it

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in his own blood and when he finished it committed suicide.

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This is, I suppose a legend behind it. This is

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a legend because she knew a friend, sorry, who knew

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the artist. You Since then, I've I've learned a lot

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since then, a lot of things have come up to them.

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Speaker 5: The Viscount said, it's not a bit rude when anyone

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needs walk and living.

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Speaker 6: It is a bit odd.

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Speaker 3: Mother in law's coming around, Yeah, but I must have been.

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Speaker 5: It is very enticing, you know. We had this, as

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I say, in the last house we were in and

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on the show, and I can't stop looking at it.

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So this is a bit that gets me. It really

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draws you in doesn't it You can feel it? Yeah,

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it does.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 5: You just want to look at it, and I don't know,

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it just rolls you in. You know, what do you think, Dave?

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I feel a pressure around it. Yeah, that's something pushing

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out here. I mean the moment you put it up,

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I can feel they can't hear you.

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Speaker 6: When they can, I can hear it.

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Speaker 5: He said his own blood. Really that is the story.

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And and also I felt it tonight. But Andy, you've

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always said that around the mouth there's always.

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Speaker 3: Some sort of absolutely.

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Speaker 7: It reminds me of when if you open go to

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your fridge, open your freezer door, there's no breeze, but

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it feels a cold pat it's always around the bloody mouth.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty strange. It's interesting to just say that.

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Speaker 8: Actually, Actually, Andy, I've remember when you were at the cage.

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You took a picture of it and you went and

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there was and there was a strange thing on it

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over his left shoulder.

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Speaker 3: I've still got the picture on the phone.

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Speaker 8: Actually, when we had it in the hard last time,

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I actually felt I hate there.

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Speaker 6: Left side.

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Speaker 3: Interesting mm hmm.

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Speaker 5: So and it over this time? What other feelings do

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you get.

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Speaker 9: From the well?

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Speaker 3: I spent quite a bit of time with the picture

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on my own at the cage, But I don't know,

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it's hard to explain with it. It's kind of you

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knew you weren't in the room on your own.

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Speaker 7: There was definitely a feeling that something was there with you,

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and the painting was sort of just to my left.

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We spent a good half an hour on my own.

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I didn't feel particularly uncomfortable with it, but then that's me.

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It's just certainly where something very odd about it. It

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is your eyes are drawn to it, certainly.

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Speaker 8: John, can you tell us some of the things that

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that you believed this painting and.

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Speaker 3: He's responsible for. When you say responsible for, you mean

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during the anglishman I have experiment. Yeah, okay, Well a

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couple of things that's happened up to now is the

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painting doesn't actually move right, okay. And that started happening

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as soon as they gave him an easel because he needed,

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you know, he was on the floor stop on that

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and Sean didn't have an easel, and I thought, well

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an easel really, yeah, And I put put an easel

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and it was like all of a sudden, they give

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him legs.

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Speaker 6: It sounds mad.

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Speaker 3: I know everyone probably out there and maybe your land

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thinks I'm a nutter, and I do appreciate that. But

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I've got with witnesses, and you're the first thing that

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started to answer your questions at Chillingham Castle, the very

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first first thing that really started. He didn't have an

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easel then, and this is why I give him an easel, really,

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I think was there's a room right at the top

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of Chillingham Castle, and it's above so Hunt for his

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living quarters. So it's the warmest room in the Catholic Castle.

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We've never been to Chillingham before. It is absolute freedom.

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And if this room is quite pleasant warm, it's probably

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a little bit cooler than it is in this room now,

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which is quite warm now, isn't it. And we put

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the painting in the middle of the put on a chair,

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I remember, rightly. And he's got a thing about the ladies,

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to be honest with you, you know, like we all

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know that ladies have got more energy than that. And

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I put a lady at the front of the painting

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and on the back, and then we formed the usual

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energy building circle around the painting as well. There was

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twenty four people there night and what actually happened was

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what we didn't notice first of all was that outside

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the circle near the wall was this quite heavy wooden bench.

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It was like a about five foot long and lo

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it was made out of focus, quite heavy. So I

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started to ask questions, and there's one that kind of

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still baffles me now really. And one of the things

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that Sean's wife said about the painting was that it

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was pure evil. She hated it because when she was

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in bed she felt something struck him on the head.

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The son said he was pushed downstairs because he felt

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a hand push him downstairs. Whether that's true or not,

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I don't know. Maybe he just slipped, you know. But

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the interesting thing was was that as soon as it

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went into his granddad's house, because you know, Sean doesn't

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live in the house anymore. In his dad's house, he

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moved him as mum and dad for a short while,

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and the same night when he moved into his mom

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and dad's house, his dad fell downstairs. Again. It could

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be a coincidence at the end of the day, and anyway,

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so and there's other things that happened as well. They

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saw are like a mister here on the stairs and

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different things. So anyway, I started asking questions at chilling

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them and the bench lifted up. It lifted up about

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well we couldn't see. It was pretty dark, will and

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it was nobody near it at all. Everyone was holding hands.

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The only Chillingham Castle staff who were out there was

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three of them and they were they were no one

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near the bench and it and it, and it sounded

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like the way it banged down it must have been

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at least off the ground. It was a really loud one.

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And it banged down once because I said, am I

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talking to the entity attached to the painting?

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Speaker 9: Now?

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Speaker 3: It was very moret haunted, and it banged down for

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once and then said okay, so can we can you

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just showed me a responsor twice and it banged down twice,

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but no Andy by this time, where everyone's going with

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the banks? And then I said, I asked various questions,

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was your subject of the painting? Or was he the artist?

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And at the time I think I remember, I think

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was the artist of the painting? And I then asked

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the ultimate question, would you consider yourself to be pure evil?

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And then all of a sudden, Kid, you not the

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temperature in the movement so cold you could even see

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you be It was that cold. Yeah, And all of

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a sudden, this dark figure appeared in the middle of

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the circle and there was at least six foot five.

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Speaker 6: It was huge, and.

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Speaker 3: It kind of floated over to this young girl called Abby,

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Abby Horricks, and Abby was getting really scared at this point,

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just imagined and and I kind of then said, well,

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you know, I need to change yoursel little bit. So

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I said, have you got a connection with me now,

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because I've been working with people with for a while,

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And then eventually lifted up and fanged out for once,

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and then all of a sudden everyone saw this figure

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going around the circle, came to the back of me,

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and I could feel that he was trying to enter

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inside my body. He was like a massive electric charge

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through my body and I stopped. Stopped it at that point,

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It's not coming in. It's and and then the audio

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to think about the Englishman Live It's boment which worked

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on that night, was there was two things I wanted

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to find out more about the painting itself, which I

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have done now found loads now. And the other thing

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was what if you brought an entity from outside? What

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if you brought the haunting from outside and brought it

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in to a haunted castle or wherever. How would the

477
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other spirits? Yet, it's an interesting interesting question, isn't it?

478
00:27:03,279 --> 00:27:05,880
And on that night at night it really kicked off

479
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:11,480
because what actually happened is when I blocked it, you know,

480
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:15,200
it went that cold. It was like really really cold

481
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,279
when I blocked it. When I'm allowed him to come

482
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,640
in any further, the temperature started to come back into normal,

483
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,279
and he went, he was gone. Then everyone could feel there,

484
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,079
the strong oppressive feeling that was there that night.

485
00:27:28,599 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 6: It just went.

486
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,799
Speaker 3: And then something else came in the room and everybody

487
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:35,799
could tell that it was something differently. There was twenty

488
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,559
four people there that night, and when we went down

489
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,160
for a break late later on, majority of them shaking

490
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:49,279
with that unnearthed by it. And and the temperature went

491
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,640
back to normal, and it as if something came into

492
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,799
the room that was really angry, that something was in

493
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:59,119
the space, and the bench was flipped upside down. And

494
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,799
that's where it all star arty really and since and

495
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,400
it's got weirder and weirder.

496
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've answered the Viscounts question. He was as he

497
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,799
was asking, in your opinion, do you believe the picture

498
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,680
attracts activity from whatever location it's at. You've answered that

499
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:18,279
question In that Dave Lloyd wants to know, like the

500
00:28:18,599 --> 00:28:23,400
program the Haunted Collector, certain items can contain retain energy.

501
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,920
If the if the painting was done using some blood,

502
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,200
that would make it even stronger.

503
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: Do you think, Yeah, I reckon. He's right as well.

504
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,759
And do you know what you know like you do

505
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,440
table tipping? Yeah, this is different. I know what someone's

506
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,279
going to say one day. Oh, it's just another thing

507
00:28:38,359 --> 00:28:43,440
of table tipping. It isn't as intelligent. Yes, conversations with you.

508
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:47,039
Speaker 5: So we've got somebody on on the chat room now.

509
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:52,000
It looks like Michael H twelve. I'm sure it is

510
00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,079
a female or male h. They've seen the painting many

511
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,880
times and it's and has seen it walk and face you, John,

512
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:05,559
and it's amazing. It's an amazing picture. So thank you

513
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,400
for joining us on the on the chat room.

514
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 8: I'm giving you point, says well, I mean you can

515
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,759
is it the actual easel move the painting itself.

516
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: The painting moves well both actually, but the painting in

517
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,680
the end when they asked him to move the easel,

518
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,960
he tries to twist the painting yourself. Yeah, and then

519
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,319
and then I say a lot, just use your legs

520
00:29:30,319 --> 00:29:32,000
because you know I've given you the easel so you

521
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,200
can use his legs. Yeah, and then he starts to

522
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,680
pull the painting and pull the whole thing round. And

523
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,799
do you want me to say what happened last week?

524
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 6: Yeah?

525
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,039
Speaker 5: Is that?

526
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:44,359
Speaker 3: Okay?

527
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,519
Speaker 7: Before you too, I've got I managed to put online

528
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,640
the photograph I when I was on my own, which

529
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,319
I shall now put the link and should hope you work. Yeah,

530
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:57,799
there we are, Okay. It looks a bit misty, and

531
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,920
it was more to do the fact it was a

532
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,799
bit dusty in the room. But what you're looking at

533
00:30:01,559 --> 00:30:04,119
you'll see in the picture there's the picture on its

534
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,400
easel and a chair on the bottom right as you

535
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:10,279
face it, the thing above the chair which looks like

536
00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:13,920
a gray, silvery semicircle, the darker inside.

537
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that was. That wasn't there.

538
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 7: I've got about a dozen photographs on my phone I

539
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,599
took and they all look roughly the same as this.

540
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:25,759
Slightly misty because it was a dusty But that semi

541
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,640
circle thing, whatever it is, it is a mystery to me.

542
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:31,119
Speaker 3: Do you do you remember the shadow that bent down?

543
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,599
I do at the sound story, same place.

544
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the bit actually yeah, saying but that is

545
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,160
a mystery to me, what the hell that thing is.

546
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:43,880
I've got see if.

547
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 7: I can find another one, upload another one that was

548
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,920
taken off in the same time to show the same

549
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:53,480
kind of thing that doesn't actually show that strange. I've

550
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,559
got some photographs in the same position that none of

551
00:30:55,599 --> 00:30:58,119
them show that strange semicircle apart from that particular one.

552
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,039
Speaker 3: To try upload another one, but I lost pay.

553
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,039
Speaker 5: The bi count once to know. Have you you any

554
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,319
video footage yourself the image?

555
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: Yes? Last week. However, a couple of weeks ago. First

556
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,559
of all, a good friend of mine, Steve, Steve Griffiths

557
00:31:19,599 --> 00:31:21,519
at the time, because of the when he helped us

558
00:31:21,559 --> 00:31:24,240
out on the cage, the cameras are all going down

559
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,720
and Steve says, do you know John, I said that

560
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
I don't think you like to be filmed. Yeah, And

561
00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,000
I said, yeah, you're probably right. And I didn't film

562
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,079
it then because I thought, well, you know, I want

563
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,000
to try and get obt activities the camp and painting

564
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,680
and anyway, until last week, like the connection now with

565
00:31:43,799 --> 00:31:49,279
the painting is so strong now. And last week, well

566
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,039
a few weeks, a few weeks ago now sorry, I

567
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,279
went to a place called the Red Line in Ponted

568
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:56,440
Fact and the reason why we went there we had

569
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,079
a small event and went on there at the time,

570
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,720
but we also bad Steve Rivers from Living with the

571
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:06,200
Dead and his team, you know to Rich is a

572
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,559
squaddling power noormal team. They have been approached by a

573
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,920
TV company to do a program about power ormal and

574
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,880
I think the name maybe they're not decided under name

575
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,880
yet because it's going to take a few months to

576
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,160
get it up, and I'm open to get on Living

577
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:25,680
TV and I think I think it's going to be

578
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:27,720
called Into the Light and it's about all aspects of

579
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:33,319
power normal. Steve asked me if I would work with

580
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,599
the painting on one of the shows, and that's why

581
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,559
they came to the Red Line in panted Fact and

582
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,799
we had a lot off camcorder and and the team

583
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,160
was there as well, two of them. Two of the

584
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:50,279
team were the most skeptic.

585
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,039
Speaker 6: People you can never have and I mean they nice,

586
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:55,519
don't get me.

587
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: Wrong, but you know you've got to be a skep

588
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:58,960
skeptic at the end of the day, because you're on

589
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,640
the fence and make my decisions either way. And anyway,

590
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:10,319
the painting was I'm a stood to the side of

591
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,960
the painting, and you know, I've kind of discovered over

592
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,440
time that his name was David. So I said, David,

593
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,799
can you turn around and face me? Please? And on

594
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,519
that night I knew, and it sounds silly, I knew

595
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:26,480
he had to make a special effort, and he did,

596
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,720
and the painting turned around in front of everybody and

597
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:33,960
faced me. Not only did he do that, he did

598
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:42,359
he did a free sixty twice. And not only did

599
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:46,880
he do that, is the temperature on the outside of

600
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,039
the room was sixteen. I brought a couple of laser

601
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:55,720
thermometers that night. He pointed one at the painting and

602
00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:57,920
I said, David, can you take the temperature down for

603
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:02,960
me please? And the temperature went down five self gradually.

604
00:34:03,839 --> 00:34:06,720
And also you know what he was saying about the

605
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,880
what you can feel a cold breeze coming from his mouth.

606
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:16,719
And what actually happened is put Leanne, one of the

607
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,199
team of the swaddling coat team. I said, Leanne, can

608
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,119
you put your hand in front of his mouth please?

609
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:25,039
And she did punt to his face and she could

610
00:34:25,079 --> 00:34:29,519
feel a cold breeze coming from from from that had

611
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:33,159
the paint painting. Really, if you put your hand behind it,

612
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,239
that's where a lot of the energy is. You can

613
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,679
feel the static electricity behind it. You can feel it

614
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:42,199
cooler behind there. And one thing that really freaked out

615
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,559
Leanne was that this green light was coming from the

616
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:49,639
painting itself. And I said to David said, can can

617
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,679
you take the green light to the to Leanne? Please

618
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,239
the lady in front of you now? And he did.

619
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,719
He took the green light and then it was it

620
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,280
wasn't just LeAnn who he took the green light, and

621
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,679
it stopped a couple of inches before a chest and

622
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,440
at that time one of the lands who was skeptic

623
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,480
in the team, he pushed away and said, don't let

624
00:35:13,559 --> 00:35:15,719
it go, and it's closer to you because he was

625
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,280
getting a bit.

626
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,199
Speaker 6: Time and.

627
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,519
Speaker 3: Leanne was a bit concerned at that point. And all

628
00:35:25,559 --> 00:35:29,000
that has been caught in the corner. So it'll be

629
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,800
part of the show on Living TV at some point

630
00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:33,320
when he gets.

631
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 5: Finished, because he's not actually cheerful.

632
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:42,039
Speaker 3: Chap is actually they know is I let people come

633
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:44,480
and believe what they want to believe when they come.

634
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:53,159
Speaker 5: I agree with the Viscount. It's like somebody wanting to

635
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,199
scream and they can't. It's like the silent scream, you

636
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,719
know what I mean, as if he's crying out for help.

637
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,119
Nobody can hear him. But you know, and like I said,

638
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,840
when it was painted, he killed himself afterwards.

639
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,599
Speaker 8: Yes, I mean to me, it reminds me of somebody

640
00:36:13,639 --> 00:36:18,360
that's been set on fire. And that's But having said that,

641
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,960
he said that Missus believed it was pure evil.

642
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 6: What do you believe?

643
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 5: What do you believe?

644
00:36:29,639 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 6: What do I believe?

645
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I let people believe what they

646
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,360
want when they first come to the language and live experiment,

647
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,440
because if I told them what I believe, automatically got

648
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:44,400
something in the mind. But I think he's miss onderstood

649
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,880
to be honest with you. And do you want me

650
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,159
to tell you now I know or do you want

651
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:54,440
me to leave it after a break or after right?

652
00:36:54,559 --> 00:36:59,079
Speaker 5: What we'll do is that we'll come back after issue. Yeah,

653
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,960
we're here at www dot KTPF dot co dot UK

654
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,039
as we are every Sunday, Me and Steve talking about

655
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:11,440
the paranormal cryptology and all sorts of things, and we

656
00:37:11,559 --> 00:37:16,360
get some really good topics on and really weird ones.

657
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,159
I suppose it's the best word to work to explain,

658
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,280
because that's what we're all about. The paranormal can be

659
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,679
a weird thing, and the stories behind it can be

660
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,079
far out, and there's no exception for tonight that you

661
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,320
may think that this is far out as well, But

662
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:38,119
this is somebody's life. We're also thinking talking about somebody

663
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:41,639
that has been working with the painting that you see

664
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:50,880
in the window at the moment, and basically after three years,

665
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:57,559
the past twelve months has been more prominent between the

666
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:04,880
painting and John Black phones. What's the best word. I

667
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,760
can't think it's gone now the doctor put me up.

668
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:12,800
But you know when they're in each other's company, things happen.

669
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,199
You know they have got some sort of rapport together.

670
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,760
We're going to hear a bit more about this story,

671
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,880
and don't forget the legend, if you want to call

672
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,440
it that. Behind the story is that it was painted

673
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:33,119
by a man who basically painted the picture with his

674
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,719
own blood and was said to have killed himself afterwards.

675
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,840
So he must have been really really depressed, for want

676
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,639
of a better word, But we're here with John Blackburn

677
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,280
and Andy Mercer, because Andy Mercer has seen you can

678
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:54,320
say that again, Oh, has seen this firsthand, but not

679
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,599
the intensity of it that's been happening in the last

680
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:02,840
few months since you've had the right John, So and

681
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,920
you were you were going to tell us about something

682
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:11,239
that's happened between you and the painting. This it's before

683
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,800
you have with it and what's been happening. We know

684
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,320
about what's been happening on events and stuff like that,

685
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:22,239
and paintings now started to walk because I know it

686
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,320
may sound sill if you've just joined us, because it's

687
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:29,239
now got legs with the easel. But and you think

688
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,639
it's called David, I.

689
00:39:30,679 --> 00:39:35,199
Speaker 3: Think it's mean the painter. Well, no, I think you know,

690
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,159
I'm not sure if it's a painter or when it's

691
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:40,880
the subject of the painting subject, But whoever haunts the painting,

692
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:48,360
he responds to, David might be a self port it anyway, Yeah.

693
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,639
Speaker 5: One curiosity. I might might be thinking. Actually, that just

694
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,840
came into my head. How many stories do you actually

695
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,639
hear of people being possessed for want of a better

696
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:04,639
work and their mentality of it and how it can

697
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,119
make people maybe go to the expense of killing themselves. Yeah,

698
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,599
how do we know that this isn't the picture of

699
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:22,440
his tormentor do you understand what I'm saying it was? Yeah? Yeah,

700
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,559
but this is something that just came into my head.

701
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:27,760
I'm wondering whether this is the painter's tormentor that hit

702
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,679
the way he sees it. And the only way he

703
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,760
could express this was to paint him. And because he

704
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,000
was so deluded not the right word, but so bogged

705
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:45,079
down by this person, you know that it had enough

706
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:48,119
and for right, I'm going to paint you to get

707
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:50,400
you out of my system. I'm going to use my

708
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:55,440
blood to get you out of my system. And maybe

709
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:56,119
seeing it.

710
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 3: At the end of it, well that's practice for art therapy.

711
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe seeing it right at the end has made

712
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:07,840
him think, oh my god, and it's made him even

713
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,599
more crazier and he's killed himself. Do you understand saying possible?

714
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 6: It's the stuff of horror film.

715
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 5: It is the stuff of horror films, you know what

716
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:15,679
I mean?

717
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 3: And actually the reverses would be required of art therapy.

718
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 5: Besides, but if this guy really think yeah, but then again,

719
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,559
with art therapy, you're not constantly using.

720
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: Your blood Oh no, no, you wouldn't.

721
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,559
Speaker 5: We're talking about a really intense horrory. This guy has

722
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:35,800
been tested for so many years, he's had enough. He

723
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,280
doesn't know how to get get away from it, how

724
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
to stop it, and he's just thought, right, I know

725
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,719
what I'm going to do. I'm going to get you

726
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,039
out of my system. I'm going to make myself bleed.

727
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:48,719
I'm going to paint you with my blood, yeah, and

728
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,000
put you on canvas. I'm going to get you out

729
00:41:51,079 --> 00:41:54,960
of my body, one way or another. And he's come

730
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,920
along and he's painted it, and then once he's finished,

731
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,800
the intensity of what he's seeing, it's just made go

732
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:04,840
and killed himself.

733
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,159
Speaker 3: It's not not impossible, certainly, you know what I mean.

734
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 5: So it's just something that just came.

735
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 6: Into my head the right. I just put the realization

736
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:14,159
of what's going on inside.

737
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 5: Yes, this is it. It took me long enough to

738
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,079
say that, but you know, but you know what I'm saying.

739
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:27,199
Speaker 3: But you know what everybody who's out there listening now,

740
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,719
is one important thing about this, and they asked the question,

741
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,519
was one of the things that was important to me

742
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:38,000
is that I wouldn't do this if it wasn't happy

743
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,599
with it. Yeah, And I asked one night this was

744
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:45,400
a bunch of people again, said can you lift up

745
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,599
the right leg? Yes, and the left leg? And they

746
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:53,480
said this he said yes, So that can't kind of

747
00:42:53,519 --> 00:43:00,320
why I pursued it more. And the thing is that

748
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,079
I've found out the things that I know. And there's

749
00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:06,159
a weird connection as well. Is you know, like Andy

750
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,639
when we when he passed like progressing and I went

751
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:15,360
through that TSUNARMI off the great ground. I started to

752
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,159
find that information from the painting, and painting responded by

753
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:27,000
moving and that spent time in concentration, which is weird,

754
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:30,480
isn't it when when you look at the past life progression.

755
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:35,440
And I started to find this information relating back to

756
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:40,760
detention camps and confrontation camps. And Belson was one of

757
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,119
the ones that was brought out in and he responded

758
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:47,079
to that. I said to Sean and rang up Sean

759
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:50,440
and I said, Sean, I'm getting information from the painting

760
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,280
now and I said that he's spent time in bat

761
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,920
Sean mc quiet, yeah, And I said, what's up? I

762
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,840
need I need to check some something out and tokay,

763
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,920
they said, well, when my grandmother was alive, she had

764
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:09,920
two friends and they went off to war and came

765
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,880
back from the both like walking skeletons, and they both

766
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:20,280
spent time in Nelson. HM. The only problem is is

767
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:21,679
that Sean's grandma's dead.

768
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 5: Now.

769
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: A few people who were in Belson are dead. Now,

770
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:30,800
you know that's a problem. I looked at these websites

771
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,199
on the internet, and the problem about Belston is when

772
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:38,519
the when the English army liberated Belson in April nineteen

773
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:43,800
forty five, the Germans actually destroyed all the records and

774
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,639
the British soldiers were We're that busy keeping them alive

775
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:53,519
and nobody to records. They're trying to get some records

776
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:57,880
together now. But and you know this, the stories of

777
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:02,239
British shoaled sort holders killed people be kind as well,

778
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:09,440
because you're given them to and not killed a few

779
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:18,760
of them. The the strange thing was as well, that's happened.

780
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,960
There's about some very very strange dreams. Yes, really strange.

781
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:25,039
You know.

782
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,199
Speaker 5: I was going to say to you where where this

783
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:27,719
LEDs you?

784
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 9: Now?

785
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 5: The vicounts asking do you do you have have any

786
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:37,800
emotional connections with the picture of personal emotions personally? Yeah,

787
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,480
basically we've been talking about this and the main reason

788
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:42,679
why you're back on here, apart from saying what's happening

789
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:48,159
on your events and everything, you've been affected by this? Yes, yeah, So.

790
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 3: For one thing, I get a bit upset sometimes when

791
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,320
I'm going to talk about the bels and side. I

792
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,159
think it's the strong connection. Yeah, I mean it's a

793
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:06,559
sad story and yes, yeah, And it was that Chester Mansion,

794
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Chester Mansion, New vis Howley. Yeah, what I'll tell you

795
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,559
something that remind me to go back to what Chester Mansion?

796
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,880
And we took it to Chester Mansion and I was

797
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,519
asking questions of painting was really acted that night, moving around,

798
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,480
and I stood in front of the painting, and I said,

799
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:32,920
why don't you just get really close to me now

800
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,480
and tell me what you what you really wanted to

801
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:38,679
tell me the And I even said, do you want

802
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:43,920
me to help me track down? Yeah, you're surviving relatives

803
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,679
if I can do, and then moved in most quant yes.

804
00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:54,719
So nothing happened on that time. It was two nights

805
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,800
after that I had the most weirdest dream I've ever

806
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,679
had in my life, absolutely weird and basically this is

807
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,119
a dream.

808
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 6: What I am real?

809
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:16,599
Speaker 3: The dream was so real that I won't and my

810
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:22,440
wife and I'll read it to you anyway, And bear

811
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,400
in mind this is a dream, and be interested to

812
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,519
see what people in the jack line. Now, just have

813
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,400
a listen to this. Over a year, a certain hillside

814
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:36,519
was a representation of a German's body. Everyone knew as

815
00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:41,800
children that certain parties of the hillside has been discovered,

816
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,280
which were the jack boots off the hillside. I was

817
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,320
being hunted down, and I knew if I hid in

818
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:52,079
the place of what was reputed as the hands of Hitler,

819
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,719
I would have a place to hide. But my pursuers

820
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,679
would know that too. So I hid in the well

821
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:04,119
known jack boots and new they would look at this

822
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,679
location of what was known as Hitler's hands, and I

823
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,960
booby trapped the location of the hands to capture Michael suits.

824
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,679
That isn't a normal dream, is it.

825
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 10: No, it's not.

826
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 6: No, it's not you know what I mean?

827
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:23,280
Speaker 5: Well, in my opinion, yeah, right, try not to move

828
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:23,840
Mick around.

829
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 3: What is everybody thinking the chat line?

830
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think about that? In the chat room?

831
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:33,559
Quite a dream that what he's written down there jack

832
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:38,119
boots and the remnants of the body in the shape

833
00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:44,159
of a heel. So you know, that's just weird, very interesting.

834
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:48,760
That's what we've just got back. Yeah, now you've other

835
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,199
stuff that happened to you as well. Apart from the dreaming,

836
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,159
there's been all this stuff going on in the house.

837
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: I'm opens not listening to this, Okay, my wife suit because.

838
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 5: He's not in the chat room. She's not signed into

839
00:49:04,519 --> 00:49:05,079
the room.

840
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 3: Basically, what happens is I want to put him on

841
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,239
the easel in the house because I know that's that

842
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:17,519
that's what he needs. But the problem is that soon

843
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,760
too scared to him, she accepts him in his box.

844
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,719
He's got his own like case box now with Stephen

845
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:32,440
griff very kindly made for him, and he's protected in there,

846
00:49:33,519 --> 00:49:35,800
and it's got nice and it's got like a blanket

847
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,280
ad for ages that's around him, and it's quite well

848
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,599
looked through, it, isn't it. So Anyway, when when he's

849
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:46,480
in that, it's pretty dormant.

850
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:47,639
Speaker 6: Really, it's like.

851
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 5: It's got some sort of protection.

852
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, However, things are starting.

853
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,079
Speaker 9: And it was.

854
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,559
Speaker 3: Only last week, about two weeks ago, we heard a

855
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:02,039
loud bang in the house and Sue said, Ben at

856
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,679
the time thought, m h, it didn't feel right. To me,

857
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:10,960
and I said, well it's probably not. Probably to somebody

858
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,880
making an eyes outside. Said so, anyway, we've got a

859
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,719
seventeen year old cat and she was asleeping on the

860
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:25,559
bed and her cattery is in the hallway, and you

861
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:30,679
can hear somebody scratching about in the catchy. So Sue says,

862
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:37,719
who's scratching about in the cartery? So she didn't twig

863
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:39,840
bless her and I said, oh, I don't know, it

864
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,079
must be something idea And the cat was fast asleep. Now,

865
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,920
three nights ago, I had a really bad sleep. I

866
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,119
had a really really strange dream again, and I dreamt

867
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,320
that the painting was in my dream, but the painting

868
00:50:57,639 --> 00:50:59,280
it wasn't the painting in my dream. It was the

869
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,760
actual per We can't the painting it was in the dream.

870
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,400
And at that time there was a really loud knock

871
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,639
on the bedroom door. Now whether I was dreaming still,

872
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,119
but to me it was like it wont woke me up,

873
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,400
really sharpish like, and I was, I was, I was like,

874
00:51:21,079 --> 00:51:22,119
you know when I was nice for we have a

875
00:51:22,199 --> 00:51:27,119
really bad You could argue maybe it was in the dream,

876
00:51:27,159 --> 00:51:29,360
maybe not in the dream, but it sounded damn real

877
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,360
to me. It was on the wooden door, which was

878
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:34,639
on the bed. Yeah, because first I thought somebody who

879
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:38,599
was outside. But the outside door is a new PVC one,

880
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,559
we've got got no knock on it, and it sounds

881
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,239
completely different. Sounded somebody knocking very hard.

882
00:51:47,159 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: M hm.

883
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:53,119
Speaker 3: So that's what's happened recently, and it just gets weirder

884
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,400
and weirder. But the problem I have is is that

885
00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:57,760
I need to work with him more.

886
00:51:58,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 6: So I'm.

887
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 5: Well, going back to your what's name it says the

888
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,239
Viking says, it's very specific though the dreams are more

889
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,519
like memory recal yah, yeah, yeah, see, I I do think,

890
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:18,559
to be honest with you, going back to my explanation

891
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,480
of what I think that, well, I think the painting

892
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:26,920
became as it is. I do think that part being

893
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:30,320
part of the person in the painting, the blood is

894
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,239
what's given it the you know what I mean that

895
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:38,960
I do believe that that it's the person is even

896
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:44,119
though that's probably his tormentor if it's haunted. I'm not

897
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,880
saying it isn't, but if it is haunted, then it's

898
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,599
got to be by the person who painted it, you

899
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,679
know what I mean. So, and like you say, the

900
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,719
memory recalls and the stuff you're getting at a raw

901
00:52:55,159 --> 00:53:01,000
parcel to this David, who I'm assuming is the it

902
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:04,599
is the painter. Yeah, all part of his family history.

903
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:05,199
Speaker 9: What do you think?

904
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:08,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you could be right there.

905
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:11,280
Speaker 8: But I just want to say that ghost rider who's

906
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,280
not in the chat room because he's on somebody else's Internet,

907
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,920
that he is messed up about. But I put the

908
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:21,880
I put the picture up on Facebook. Uh, and and

909
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,599
he said, yeah, he's looking at the picture and it's changing.

910
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,480
Can't explain it that the features seemed to be changing,

911
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,079
and saying that has anybody else noticed it?

912
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 7: Yes, I'll be honest with you. It is the wating

913
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,920
low quality of the band, which gives the question that

914
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,519
the picture looked as if it was actually changing. But

915
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:41,639
I think it's just pixelation.

916
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 6: Actually, you want to said, take take me back.

917
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:51,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

918
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: I had this guy who came on the on that

919
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,400
particular event. Okay, what's just the mansion and it was

920
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:08,719
the other arm. Yeah, what we've done, semi professional boom boxer.

921
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,559
And he said, and he was really skeptic. Skeptic And

922
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,840
what what I do is on the Englishman Live experiment,

923
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,360
as I give one a raffle ticket. I don't tell

924
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,480
him what the prize is. All that to the suspense. Yeah,

925
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:33,119
and anyway, so I am, I give up on a

926
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:37,119
raffle ticket and then draw the raffles tickets and base

927
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,840
Basically whoever's got a raffle ticket is around about six

928
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,119
of them, and they all get a chance to spend

929
00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:46,800
ten minutes with the Englishman in the cellar of Winchester

930
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,039
mansion in one of the little rooms off the seller. Yeah,

931
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,880
and one of the rooms off off the seller, which

932
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,960
I'll come back to in a minute. We put it

933
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,320
in this room which is one opposite stairs. Did you

934
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,800
good ansell? And you know the one who was skeptic,

935
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,880
the boxer with the broken arm, he won it, which

936
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,920
I should have brought the email with me actually put

937
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,519
anyway in the mond. I should have sent the email

938
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:15,079
sent sent.

939
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 9: To us.

940
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 3: And basically what happened. He said to me when I

941
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,519
took him down there on his own and said what

942
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:24,880
they would do? I said, well, the best thing to

943
00:55:25,159 --> 00:55:26,800
just talk to him because he likes to be spoken to.

944
00:55:28,199 --> 00:55:31,400
He said, right, okay. So there was like a little

945
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,320
window in in in his room in the cellar, and

946
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,519
the moonlight was coming in and it was just all

947
00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:40,039
over the face of the painting, and he was talking

948
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:42,199
to it and he said, I could see the mouth moving.

949
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:46,039
He said, there was no no noise, it was just

950
00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:49,599
a mouth moving. And he says to him, he thought

951
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:52,159
to himself, it must be the darkness. He turned the

952
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:58,440
talk talch on and the mouth was still moving. So

953
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:03,719
he was absolutely gob smart. His wife sent me an

954
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:07,920
email as well, saying thank you for converting me your

955
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,880
husband who was a complete skep skeptic and even sent

956
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,800
me an email himself. I can send them to you

957
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:18,519
one day. Yeah, well, I'll blank of his email.

958
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,519
Speaker 5: The biscount said, what history do you know about the image?

959
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:24,440
If any?

960
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 3: The only one, Well, the only history that we knew

961
00:56:28,519 --> 00:56:31,079
was what we said, really where it's come from, it's

962
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:33,679
come from, the rest of it. I've kind of found

963
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:40,519
out all the time. Someone's not not not not asked

964
00:56:40,519 --> 00:56:44,159
the obvious chef regards to paint analyze whether it is

965
00:56:44,159 --> 00:56:51,559
blood or not. Basically, sean painting was filmed on a

966
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:54,719
Japanese TV program He's getting a bit of a name

967
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,760
for yourself now, And they took a sample of it,

968
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,039
but they never give give shown the sample for some reason.

969
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:07,239
And I don't know whether Sean, you know, requested it.

970
00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:10,280
I have no idea, but but you never got the

971
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:17,159
sample back, so we don't know. Still Sean's painting him

972
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,960
to chip fits off it and stuff. That's that's that's

973
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,119
what for him at the end of the day, you know.

974
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:26,719
But he is getting quite global interest. It was on

975
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,559
American t TV William Shaknher from Star Trek. He did

976
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:33,119
a program called Weird or What, And it was on

977
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:38,400
that program. Japan got involved again three months ago. I'm

978
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,079
I met a lady who flew over from Japan and

979
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:47,679
she filmed the paintings over night. She had she booked

980
00:57:47,679 --> 00:57:51,199
two rooms in a hotel. I shown her on the

981
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:54,920
TV program how to do Verius experiments and stuff, and

982
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:56,760
I said to what you really want to do? And said,

983
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:58,559
you really want to spend the night in the room

984
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:01,760
on your own? And and she wouldn't. She just wanted

985
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:06,440
to fill film it really And when when it came

986
00:58:06,519 --> 00:58:08,360
back the next day, I said, did anything happened? Did

987
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,280
we put a pendulum Monday to paint paintings? See if

988
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,519
that move? We put pieces of paper under the easel

989
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:19,840
and put like penal nights around it a two different things.

990
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:21,159
Speaker 9: Yeah, and.

991
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 3: Anyway, nothing none of those happened. But what she was

992
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,400
rather disturbed by was like in the middle of the

993
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,719
edge a large screen and this is in a little

994
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,519
village of this this this hotel rooms in a little

995
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,119
village and it was like about after in the morning,

996
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,639
so they're quietly but least nothing goes on there really

997
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:46,679
and as and as she said, it could have been

998
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,480
outside and did it sound she said, no, it sounded

999
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:54,880
like it was next door. But that that went on

1000
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,280
Japanese TV on the teen from me, Russians are showing

1001
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:00,480
an interest they want to.

1002
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:07,559
Speaker 6: And now long last Steve Steve ricks on the team

1003
00:59:08,199 --> 00:59:10,599
and filming for England.

1004
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,599
Speaker 5: Well, the viscounster said he's got a large screen mode

1005
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:18,960
and the image around the mouth looks like it's changing,

1006
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,920
although it could be the broadband connection.

1007
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 8: And also got back he's looking at the one on Facebook,

1008
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,079
the picture actually I put up on Facebook and he's

1009
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:32,719
seeing it there.

1010
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, So so Andy, what's your take on

1011
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:43,599
this Englishman device of reasons advice like that every week

1012
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,320
we get this man come on saying that most of

1013
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,920
my guests that come on and talking a load of bowl.

1014
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,400
I quote Toddle that if.

1015
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 6: I'd say that actually a bit further down than even

1016
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,519
darker path.

1017
00:59:56,599 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 7: And this is the idea of the thought thought creation,

1018
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:04,239
where you put your energies and thoughts into a particular

1019
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,639
objects and try to energize it to become something on

1020
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,039
its own. So the idea could be that the guy

1021
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:12,480
got so wrapped up in these thoughtful things whilst painting it.

1022
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:15,119
The painting itself has a life of its own, is

1023
01:00:15,199 --> 01:00:18,079
not possessed by anybody. It is the painting itself that's

1024
01:00:18,199 --> 01:00:21,639
actually alive, it's actually creating these effects. It's it's got

1025
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:24,679
his own energy. It exists in a sense independently of

1026
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,760
the painter, the thoughtful energy. It's something you sometimes find

1027
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,039
as an explanation of some of the dark entities at

1028
01:00:31,079 --> 01:00:35,519
locations that's been deliberately generated, nastiness and mayhem.

1029
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,039
Speaker 3: That maybe that's what the painting is. Do you know what?

1030
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:40,880
There's something interesting you're saying about that as well, because

1031
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:49,320
in the in the bike, you see on the if

1032
01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:50,599
you look at the painting, now, if you look at.

1033
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 6: On the top on your top left, yeah, does a

1034
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,480
skull underneath that you're seeing that.

1035
01:01:00,679 --> 01:01:02,519
Speaker 7: You can just make it out from here as well

1036
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:04,920
and see eye sockets the ridges.

1037
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's it. And Steve Griffiths originally this

1038
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:15,480
was this is when he first got involved. He he

1039
01:01:15,719 --> 01:01:18,840
tested the temperature of all the paint painting. This was

1040
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,519
that was there. I know it wasn't someone else, but anyway,

1041
01:01:23,559 --> 01:01:28,440
and it was colder than anywhere else and it'd been

1042
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:30,440
in the same room for quite some time, so it

1043
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:32,400
would have took on the ambug temperature of that boom.

1044
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:33,719
Speaker 6: So what he decided to.

1045
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 3: Do, I thought, well, fought himself, well, maybe is a

1046
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,480
foreign and eat sauce from that side on the painting.

1047
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:41,719
So he turned it round to eliminate that. And guess

1048
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:46,119
what stayed on the same side. The other thing as

1049
01:01:46,119 --> 01:01:50,480
well is on that shoulder. Don't know Steve did it.

1050
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,400
I'm big on the the chechy side of it. On

1051
01:01:55,519 --> 01:01:59,360
that side of the shoulder. There's a devil on that

1052
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,960
side of the shoulder. You just about to see it. There,

1053
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,840
there's an angel and these are things that's painting.

1054
01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,039
Speaker 7: I just put up the link actually from your site

1055
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:10,880
that shows the area of the skull.

1056
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 6: I said, has the picture itself ever moved or fallow?

1057
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 9: Face down.

1058
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 3: It has on one of the videos. That's Sean Talk.

1059
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:30,719
Speaker 5: Okay and Ace Paradox, welcome to the show. I said

1060
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:34,960
last night I was using new live e v P equipment,

1061
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:41,480
which all present seven people believed we heard voices. It

1062
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:44,880
would be interesting to use this equipment with the painting.

1063
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,079
The male voice was from technology, right.

1064
01:02:49,079 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, actually I watch.

1065
01:02:54,639 --> 01:02:57,039
Speaker 5: His name again, Paradox.

1066
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,159
Speaker 9: If you want to find it one face.

1067
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, what it is on the you probably see on

1068
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,360
the image on the video that if it's the same one,

1069
01:03:11,679 --> 01:03:13,880
there's a lot of e v P on that. So yeah,

1070
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,800
that'd be interesting. Yeah, that would be interesting.

1071
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1072
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:23,519
Speaker 5: So I think it's like it says hard but as

1073
01:03:23,559 --> 01:03:28,159
I say, it's it's a it's an image. And you

1074
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,480
need to ask Sean whether that's possible.

1075
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 9: For my son.

1076
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 6: Going on? No, and I need to say some something

1077
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:36,880
to some guys like that.

1078
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:42,559
Speaker 3: Okay, there's two paintings on the internet that are copies.

1079
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:46,039
One's been sold on eBay for one hundred and fifty

1080
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:50,400
five quid, right, and it's absolutely ridiculous. It's nothing like that.

1081
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:52,679
He's got bands, right, and.

1082
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,119
Speaker 7: Then there's another one, doesn't it You just just foind

1083
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:58,599
it it's someone a deviant art site that's in Spanish.

1084
01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:00,920
It's like, it's clearly seen the original picture that kind

1085
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:04,280
of based around that, but it's much more soft focus,

1086
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,000
shall we say, it's a lot more basic.

1087
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite nice.

1088
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 7: But she said, I'm trying to translate the forum post

1089
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,280
because it's actually in Spanish, and she's something about some

1090
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,880
inspiration someone, so she obviously she's seen the pictures of

1091
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,960
the inspiration scared.

1092
01:04:19,719 --> 01:04:21,519
Speaker 5: Well, what we're going to do. We have a quick shot, right,

1093
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:23,800
so then we're going to come back and talk about

1094
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:25,440
what you're thinking about doing.

1095
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 3: Is quite exciting.

1096
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 5: So we'll see you after these words.

1097
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:36,559
Speaker 11: Hellier Harry Price here, good evening. If there's nothing myself

1098
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:39,719
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1099
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,760
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1100
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,800
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1101
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,639
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1102
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:53,800
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1103
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,360
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1104
01:04:57,599 --> 01:05:00,719
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1105
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,559
enjoy them as much as we do over here. Hello,

1106
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:05,480
is anybody there?

1107
01:05:08,039 --> 01:05:11,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome back to the show. Just to let you know.

1108
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:18,840
We're here with Steve who was over there and in

1109
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,360
the corners, live here in the Hub for a chain.

1110
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:27,599
And our guest tonight is John Blackburn, who's from Mysterious Paranormal.

1111
01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:30,679
We've been talking about this picture that sat in my

1112
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:32,800
windows on my window still at the moment.

1113
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,239
Speaker 9: It's addicted to the English, addicted to it, and.

1114
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 5: It's becoming part of your life, isn't it.

1115
01:05:42,599 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 3: And the problem with GOT is, to be honest with you,

1116
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:48,320
you can't stop. I can't stop because it's getting better

1117
01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:52,119
and better and better. Okay, it's you know, it's I

1118
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:53,559
think it's one of these things that needs to be

1119
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,400
It needs to be worked. Yes, it loves to be worked.

1120
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,280
But I'm saying that, you know, everything that do with

1121
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,719
him has been done with total respect. And one of

1122
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,159
the things that I say to people is when you

1123
01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:08,480
do a long visual with him, under no circumstances to

1124
01:06:08,639 --> 01:06:11,960
this where you've had language or anything like that, because

1125
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,800
he is he knows exactly what they're saying. Respect and

1126
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,199
we both have that respect for each other.

1127
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,519
Speaker 5: Now, just before you go on to saying what you're

1128
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,039
actually going to be thinking about, doing with him or

1129
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:27,360
doing with him. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is

1130
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,840
you've not just taken this painting to haunted venues, have you.

1131
01:06:33,239 --> 01:06:38,679
You've taken it to unhaunted venues that you know of

1132
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:44,280
that have no inkling of any spiritual activity until the

1133
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,599
painting walked into.

1134
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 3: I took it to a place.

1135
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you've managed to get activity from unhaunted venues.

1136
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,599
Speaker 3: Yes, so well, it's not only that. I mean he

1137
01:06:57,679 --> 01:06:59,360
does take over sometimes, to be honest.

1138
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:01,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, you can.

1139
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,199
Speaker 3: You can feel it in the room the store, in

1140
01:07:04,239 --> 01:07:08,639
this room like before, it's a show, isn't it.

1141
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 5: And then you walk in and you can Yeah, we

1142
01:07:12,519 --> 01:07:14,360
have the door shop for quite some time, for a

1143
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:20,760
good half hour before we came and and basically I

1144
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,159
walked in the room and it was as if there

1145
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:30,159
was this and it's invisible. So you know, when you

1146
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:32,679
feel as though you're walking through I don't know, sticky

1147
01:07:32,719 --> 01:07:35,159
stuff and it's like this sort of thing.

1148
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 6: It wasn't really bad walking through syrup.

1149
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:42,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, walking through syrup, that sort of thing. So I

1150
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:45,760
know you say that he needs to be worked, but

1151
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:49,440
do you know that it is not? Sorry, but do

1152
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,079
you know that it is that it's not negative and

1153
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,960
feeding off everyone and growing stronger.

1154
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 3: I know, and.

1155
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:01,079
Speaker 5: That's what that's why.

1156
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:03,519
Speaker 9: So what are you on this?

1157
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 5: Tell us what you're planning on doing with this?

1158
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 3: Okay, what I'm planning doing is I have to work

1159
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,360
with him at least twice a month. Okay, I can't

1160
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:17,439
just do it because you know, the Mysterious panel events

1161
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:21,720
is just me to be and and then I bring

1162
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,920
in people were trust to work to work with me

1163
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:30,239
when I need to work with somebody. And basically what

1164
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:35,359
I'm doing is is, you know, if I can't badge

1165
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:37,680
of people to death with the Englishman Live exponment all

1166
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:40,880
the time on Mysterio, and that's what I'm doing. I

1167
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,560
do recognize that, and what I need to do is

1168
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:45,199
to take it. I need to take it further a field.

1169
01:08:45,239 --> 01:08:50,159
So what I'm proposing really is I'm going to start

1170
01:08:50,199 --> 01:08:54,880
approaching charities see if they want to take part in

1171
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:59,279
the Englishman Live experiment. I'm going to approach word with

1172
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:08,119
Andy before and we're going to coach colleges where they

1173
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:12,479
do part psycho ecology and we'll do myself and Andy,

1174
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:17,720
if you're interested, absolutely, We'll be doing a lecture about

1175
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,720
the power normal and then also bring in the english

1176
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:25,479
manline experiment and let the students experience firsthand and you

1177
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,119
can use equipment and stuff like this, and maybe we

1178
01:09:28,199 --> 01:09:32,560
can learn more of that that way. Painting itself and

1179
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:41,760
also these this is two groups out there very interested.

1180
01:09:42,359 --> 01:09:46,560
You can hire me and the Englishman live experiment and

1181
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,960
we'll give people up a couple of people a chance

1182
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:52,159
to actually see what they can come up with. Really,

1183
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,920
and that's the way forward I can see, to be

1184
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,279
honest with you, because I can't badge people today. No,

1185
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,760
I'm just on mysterious beause it wouldn't work at the

1186
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:08,479
end of the day. People want different experts experiences.

1187
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you've got a venue out there that

1188
01:10:11,359 --> 01:10:14,199
you're doing, I must admit. John said to me for

1189
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:18,560
next year, I want to ah book him to come

1190
01:10:18,640 --> 01:10:22,159
on one of my events. There's an event that he

1191
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:24,039
goes to that I've not been to for quite some

1192
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,439
while and I was thinking about booking it again. Anyway,

1193
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,520
he was saying that, you know, I can hire him

1194
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,319
and the painting to come and join us for the

1195
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:48,359
evening and and uh, basically you're willing to do that?

1196
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,399
Are you travel all around the country? Well, you can

1197
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:55,520
take your traveling. Let me say, hi, you talking about

1198
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:56,600
your expenses.

1199
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:02,520
Speaker 3: Expenses mainly be and I mean it hasn't gone to

1200
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,199
be expensive, to be honest with you, it's not anybody.

1201
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:11,560
The only thing that that is it has got to be.

1202
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:14,840
It's got to be done right.

1203
01:11:15,159 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it will be. It will be an event

1204
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,239
really where where the Englishman is concerned.

1205
01:11:22,399 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 3: You will take control. Yeah. Well, let me put this

1206
01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:28,720
this way. They put it to you because I know

1207
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:32,159
what people may be thinking out there is I'll take

1208
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:35,640
control of all things. I won't do a thing as well,

1209
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:41,600
is that I'm not into poaching other people's guest. I

1210
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,439
don't do that sort of sort of thing for when

1211
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:48,399
I get a bad name for yourself anyway. But what

1212
01:11:49,319 --> 01:11:51,560
the only way it will work is you do it

1213
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:53,640
as a two part. You do an investigation on the

1214
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,520
building you in, which will be conducted by yourself, and

1215
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:03,359
then I'll do the Englishman. Yeah, only because it's a

1216
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:06,479
bit that I need to do. For one, the painting's

1217
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:10,279
got to be looked after. For another, I've got the connection.

1218
01:12:10,039 --> 01:12:10,239
Speaker 1: With it.

1219
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:18,079
Speaker 5: And what seeing experience, what the painting experience.

1220
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you can't guarantee it's going to be

1221
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,039
more active than than other nights. But you know what,

1222
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,399
the more work with him, the more active gets right.

1223
01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,039
Speaker 5: Okay, well, you know I said to you, somebody might

1224
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:30,760
be interesting.

1225
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 6: That's fine.

1226
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,159
Speaker 5: So that's what I was laughing at.

1227
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 3: I'm not bigging myself up hoping this because I don't

1228
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,399
do that, you know. But I'm well, I feel I'm

1229
01:12:49,399 --> 01:12:51,760
a true professional at the end of the day. You know,

1230
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:56,000
I work hard doing what I do, and I treat

1231
01:12:56,079 --> 01:12:59,800
everything with respect as I do the guest as well,

1232
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,279
the guests.

1233
01:13:02,359 --> 01:13:03,159
Speaker 6: Suspect as well.

1234
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 5: So this is a new adventure for you.

1235
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,520
Speaker 3: A new venture for me really, but it needs to

1236
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,800
go that way. I can't see any way doing it.

1237
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,520
Speaker 5: You are that connected to it. I am sort of

1238
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,119
become a bug under your skin, is there?

1239
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:20,560
Speaker 11: But how.

1240
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:23,720
Speaker 5: How do you think it's going to go? You don't

1241
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,640
think it's going to harm you in any way or

1242
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,640
you know, or do you think that the end of

1243
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,159
it will be I'm going all in all theatrical now,

1244
01:13:33,239 --> 01:13:35,840
but you don't suppose that the end will come where

1245
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,520
it will just all all of a sudden versus flames

1246
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:39,119
or something.

1247
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 9: Like horror film.

1248
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 3: We'll find John laying in the room one day, his

1249
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:44,359
mouth just wide open and blank eyes staring out.

1250
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:46,319
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.

1251
01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 5: You're going there and think it's done its purpose, you

1252
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:49,960
know what.

1253
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 7: I mean, all of a sudden it's oh, it's probably

1254
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,560
Actually it doesn't look nice looking face to face, but

1255
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:59,000
the version you see online with the pixilation of the

1256
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:01,359
load of bull Bank looks far more sinister.

1257
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 3: It really does.

1258
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 5: I must admit when you're sitting in the dark, because

1259
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,039
I have done this. Guys, I definitely have done this,

1260
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,039
and so is Steve. It is daunting. It didn't do

1261
01:14:13,239 --> 01:14:15,199
nothing for us, I must.

1262
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 3: We did it.

1263
01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 6: We did it at drake Clow Tunnels and John will

1264
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,079
tell you drake Clow is very very dark.

1265
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,319
Speaker 5: But we could still see. Yeah, we put an all

1266
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:36,239
on the picture, did ye hmm. You can see that

1267
01:14:36,279 --> 01:14:41,640
on YouTube as well, so the with it, yes, But

1268
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:44,600
as I say, we didn't feel nothing at the time.

1269
01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 3: It was.

1270
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,199
Speaker 6: It was a bit daunting there. I felt I felt

1271
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:53,960
there was somebody standing at the tunnel watching. Yeah, but

1272
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:55,039
nothing but nothing.

1273
01:14:57,119 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 3: Do you know why it didn't work you? Well, because

1274
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,520
you did it wrong as well. I'm not being moved

1275
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:09,680
all right, Okay, Well, basically what what what what we've

1276
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,399
got to do is.

1277
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:13,359
Speaker 5: Is that.

1278
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:18,479
Speaker 3: Well what I always do is I do energy building session.

1279
01:15:18,600 --> 01:15:22,079
First of all, that's important portant which is Christian wasn't

1280
01:15:22,119 --> 01:15:25,720
there supervisor, to be honest, it was just a.

1281
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,359
Speaker 5: Case of so there you go, there's a picture sit down.

1282
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,319
Speaker 3: And that was well do you know.

1283
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:37,279
Speaker 5: You will see Yeah, because I'm coming to one where

1284
01:15:37,279 --> 01:15:42,000
you know, I'm definitely we're definitely going to go to

1285
01:15:42,119 --> 01:15:42,680
one of these.

1286
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,600
Speaker 3: Aren't stays think about him as well? I think he

1287
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,319
needs the right floor as well. Yes, basically, if you

1288
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:54,359
put him on a carpet, it hasn't It needs to

1289
01:15:54,399 --> 01:15:58,159
be on a half floor like floorboards, you know, stuff

1290
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:01,239
like that. On a carpet, it stops stopped like moving.

1291
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you doing it? Chase?

1292
01:16:04,279 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 3: No, it's all about can Chase. But it's it's all

1293
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,520
about the four crosses.

1294
01:16:09,399 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, j WS goes right. It just said he doesn't

1295
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,640
know why, but the same thing happen last time. It

1296
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:17,520
gives him a headache.

1297
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:24,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, headaches in here now actually, and.

1298
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 6: He's wondering whether hey call in Robert's room. Allow it

1299
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:39,880
might do, and they're completely expenses they.

1300
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,239
Speaker 5: Can, so.

1301
01:16:44,359 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 3: It's kind of I suppose really it's kind of me

1302
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:52,960
going out there as a as a double a really yes, yes,

1303
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,960
not as mysterious, but as a Blackburn and the english

1304
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:03,039
Man David did just David and John.

1305
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but it does sound interesting for other paranormal

1306
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,560
groups to be able to do that, and by the

1307
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:14,359
looks of it, the Viscounts already itching for me to

1308
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:15,039
finish the show.

1309
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:19,119
Speaker 6: Yes, the looks of it, it would like you for February.

1310
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:27,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, so as I say it's it's you'll be interesting,

1311
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,920
is it? Then, Stephen, you'd be interested in something like

1312
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:35,760
this at Craig and Oss Castle. But I must admit

1313
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:40,199
it's it's pulled it in though, hasn't it if you

1314
01:17:40,279 --> 01:17:42,399
think about it. You've had it for three years and

1315
01:17:42,520 --> 01:17:45,319
every time you do an Englishman experiment event.

1316
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 9: People.

1317
01:17:50,119 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 8: One second, please, because everybody just stopped for a second.

1318
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,600
Did anybody hear a phone?

1319
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,560
Speaker 9: No? No, I'm looking on it. I've got nothing on you.

1320
01:18:00,039 --> 01:18:03,680
It's just your phone. Yeah, I just heard a phone

1321
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:08,279
ring through the headphones. Did anybody else on the show

1322
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:09,800
hear a phone ring?

1323
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:12,399
Speaker 12: It looks like you.

1324
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,319
Speaker 9: Did you ring the phone?

1325
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:17,279
Speaker 6: Talk to me?

1326
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 9: It was like a normal phone ringing sound. I heard

1327
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:25,119
it ring.

1328
01:18:25,159 --> 01:18:26,640
Speaker 6: Twice in the chat room.

1329
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:31,319
Speaker 5: Hear that? So no, it's come to it. Yeah, so

1330
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:38,800
that mind. So I thought it was in the hub

1331
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:43,680
a now there's definitely no phone going off in here.

1332
01:18:45,359 --> 01:18:49,680
Steven thought it was in the harb David, did you

1333
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,279
hear it? Ace Paradox? Did you hear anything?

1334
01:18:53,279 --> 01:18:55,399
Speaker 6: I want everybody else let us know if you heard it?

1335
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 5: Did you really hear it? By can so like ring twice?

1336
01:19:00,039 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 2: What they've said, but something I'm trying to be funny

1337
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:08,159
but got back when it has got a bit cold,

1338
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:12,840
and ghost writers just said yes, he heard it.

1339
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,399
Speaker 5: I said, he's been hearing sounds.

1340
01:19:17,159 --> 01:19:18,359
Speaker 6: Can I make a suggestion?

1341
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:21,199
Speaker 5: I can't said he's been here. It's get it's getting

1342
01:19:21,279 --> 01:19:22,840
strange feedback when we're talking.

1343
01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:25,079
Speaker 3: Can I make a suggestion to everybody out there? Guys?

1344
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,520
I know you won't see us, but can we turn

1345
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,720
the lights? Yeah and close it all? Yeah we're gonna

1346
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:37,720
we're going to go dark. Oh well yeah, that's a problem. Yeah,

1347
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:38,479
it's got a problem.

1348
01:19:39,319 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 5: I can't said.

1349
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 3: Do a thing for everyone to do who's listening, guys, Yeah,

1350
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:56,880
is to look at the direction of the painting.

1351
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,840
Speaker 5: Really well, we've really gone we've really gone dark. You've

1352
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:07,479
just seen me, just Steve on the actual show. We

1353
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,399
can you can you see it? We can save me.

1354
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:13,399
I can't see John, we can't see the picture. You

1355
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:16,760
can see my screen and you can see Steve. So

1356
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,520
do you want it a bit darker?

1357
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 3: If possible. I don't know whether it's it's possible or

1358
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:25,399
not yet.

1359
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:29,319
Speaker 5: Well, only he can see now dark as.

1360
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: Because you you'll find it's like anything in the power normal.

1361
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,239
As soon as you turn the torch on it, it

1362
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:41,359
kills the energy that you're trying to work with. So

1363
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:52,720
we've got everything down now, okay, and then my my

1364
01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:58,039
MIC's as well, so just as an experiment. Really, what

1365
01:20:58,119 --> 01:21:01,560
I'm going to do isn't to talk to David. Okay,

1366
01:21:02,399 --> 01:21:03,319
That's why I'm moving.

1367
01:21:03,159 --> 01:21:04,079
Speaker 6: My it's.

1368
01:21:06,119 --> 01:21:09,399
Speaker 9: Yeah, phone again, okay, yeah, phone again.

1369
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 6: Okay.

1370
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 3: Now, then guys, the thing is that I can feel.

1371
01:21:15,319 --> 01:21:17,159
The thing I can feel at the moment is that

1372
01:21:17,279 --> 01:21:19,119
the energy is changing in here. Can you feel that.

1373
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:24,000
I'm not trying to put words to people's mouth. Okay,

1374
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:27,119
let's just talk to David then that's okay, Okay, David

1375
01:21:27,159 --> 01:21:29,159
can just come forward please and just join me now

1376
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:32,680
and start to communicate and work with me now we

1377
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,359
have done in the past. Okay, if you if you

1378
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:40,880
look at his mouth now, just keep watching his mouth. David,

1379
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:42,840
can you come forward please and start to work with

1380
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:44,319
me now and just start to talk with me if

1381
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:46,479
you can. I know you've not got the easel tonight.

1382
01:21:47,239 --> 01:21:49,960
But I'm going to ask Suzanne. I don't want to

1383
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,079
touch it yourself, Suzan, Okay, if you can put your

1384
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:55,680
hand just on the side of the painting for me,

1385
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:59,479
so so that is just now on the side of

1386
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:05,000
it there, but just so it's a very very soft touch. Okay,

1387
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:11,239
I'm going to ask Steve. Steve if you couldn't I

1388
01:22:11,319 --> 01:22:13,199
know you can't see anything on the screen, if you

1389
01:22:13,239 --> 01:22:16,560
can just took your hand right, just just it's got

1390
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,640
to be the such a softest touch, because what you're

1391
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:24,399
doing now is that you're giving him energy now. Okay, Okay, David,

1392
01:22:25,279 --> 01:22:27,560
can you come forward please and start to talk to

1393
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,479
me and communicate with me now, please, David, if you

1394
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,079
will look at his face guys as well, Okay, Okay, David,

1395
01:22:33,159 --> 01:22:34,840
come forward and talk to me. I'm going to ask

1396
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:36,800
you some questions that you're familiar with. First of all,

1397
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,880
just to get you going a little bit. Guys out

1398
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:42,920
there who are listening out there now, is this is

1399
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:45,000
a time where you need to be listening now because

1400
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,600
I'm asking questions and hopefully it's a good chance of

1401
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:48,039
be VP.

1402
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:48,640
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1403
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 3: Okay, David, I'm going to ask you some questions that

1404
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,399
you're familiar with that we talk about quite often, and

1405
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:55,079
I'll just build up a little bit from there.

1406
01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 6: Is that okay with you? Okay?

1407
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,600
Speaker 3: Nownineteen forties, David, take yourself back to the nineteen parties, please,

1408
01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:11,680
the nineteen forties, the nineteen forties, take yourself yourself back

1409
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,359
to that time. Are you starting to feel anything yet new?

1410
01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 9: Two days?

1411
01:23:18,319 --> 01:23:20,680
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1412
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,680
Speaker 3: We get that quite often as well. Actually, okay, David,

1413
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:27,760
let's just get these questions going now. Okay, nineteen forties,

1414
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:40,199
does Belson mean anything to detention? Belson? Belson? Detention? Can

1415
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:43,640
so you feel that? So? So you're starting to feel

1416
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,760
vibration from the painting? Now, okay, David, come forward join me. Now,

1417
01:23:48,079 --> 01:23:50,439
come forward and join me. Now, come on and join me.

1418
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:53,439
Come on, David, come forward, Come forward, David. Just take

1419
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,199
my energy and come forward to me. Now, come forward

1420
01:23:56,239 --> 01:23:58,199
to me. Now watch his face. Guys, come forward to

1421
01:23:58,279 --> 01:24:00,720
me now, David, come forward to me. Now join me. Now,

1422
01:24:01,079 --> 01:24:03,439
lower the temperature over the door. Bring yourself forward, bring

1423
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:06,079
yourself through, Come and join me. Now turn the painting

1424
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:07,920
for me. David, turned to it. You feel that the

1425
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:11,039
cold is coming off it? Now, come on, David, turn

1426
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:11,960
the painting for me.

1427
01:24:12,079 --> 01:24:12,640
Speaker 6: Now that's it.

1428
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 3: I can feel the energy starting to David. Nineteen forties, Belson?

1429
01:24:18,079 --> 01:24:21,600
Does that mean anything to you? Nineteen forties? And Belson?

1430
01:24:22,199 --> 01:24:27,399
Come on, now, bring yourself forward. Do you remember Sean?

1431
01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:29,000
Remember the name Sean?

1432
01:24:29,159 --> 01:24:29,479
Speaker 6: David?

1433
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:34,279
Speaker 3: Remember the two people who went to Belson? That Sean's

1434
01:24:34,319 --> 01:24:37,119
grandmother k you? Do you feel that energy?

1435
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:37,239
Speaker 5: Know?

1436
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,359
Speaker 3: David? Can you remember that? So what you're saying now

1437
01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:47,680
Stevie's mouse moving? Okay, okay, David can remember that Belson?

1438
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,800
Nineteen forty two people went to Belson who knew Sean's grandmother.

1439
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,880
When they came back, they were thinn they had lost weight.

1440
01:25:00,119 --> 01:25:03,560
Was you one of those two people, David? Move the painting.

1441
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:07,079
If that's the case, Move the painting from me, David,

1442
01:25:07,199 --> 01:25:11,800
was you one of those two people? Bring it this way,

1443
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:15,039
this direction towards me. Now bring it this way, this

1444
01:25:15,159 --> 01:25:18,439
direction towards me. I can hold your hands, pleasing, bring

1445
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,920
it this way towards me. Now, come on, David. It

1446
01:25:22,039 --> 01:25:23,880
needs more energy than this, you know. But I mean

1447
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,880
there's only us, there's only there's only two yourself, Suzanne

1448
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:31,359
and Steve touching the side of the painting. It's just

1449
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,119
a gentle touch, isn't it. Come on, David, that's it.

1450
01:25:35,279 --> 01:25:38,640
That's the idea of teaching. Come on, David, bring yourself forward,

1451
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,840
bring yourself through and making that connection. Now you've got

1452
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:44,159
me in the middle of the connection. Now, David, join me.

1453
01:25:44,279 --> 01:25:47,960
Now turn round and face me. Turn around and face me, David,

1454
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,840
as you've done before. Please turn around and face me.

1455
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:52,880
I know you're facing me, but I want you to

1456
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,720
turn the left hand side of the painting towards me.

1457
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:57,119
Speaker 9: David.

1458
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 3: I know you've not got you easel. There's no room

1459
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:02,159
in here, but you can pull the painting around to

1460
01:26:02,279 --> 01:26:05,399
me and we can talk a little bit more. What

1461
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:09,880
are you figuring in now? You can feel the vibration

1462
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:10,960
they're starting to build up.

1463
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:13,079
Speaker 9: Uh and here are you busy?

1464
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:16,239
Speaker 3: I am here? I also noted as an odd smell

1465
01:26:16,359 --> 01:26:22,479
of burning that's coming into the room that wasn't here before. Yeah,

1466
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:27,079
pain in your arm okay, so you want me to

1467
01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,039
turn the light back on again? Do you want to

1468
01:26:29,039 --> 01:26:32,560
carry us on? I'm keeping on the show, the screen

1469
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:40,119
slap and running. Everything's fine, so okay, okay, David, join me. Now,

1470
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:42,279
just make a conscious effort for me now to bring

1471
01:26:42,359 --> 01:26:45,479
yourself through and make yourself come through stronger. I know

1472
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:49,119
it is only was four now here, but you've got

1473
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:52,760
me in the link. Just bring yourself through stronger, please, David,

1474
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,800
bring yourself through stronger. Come on, turn around the face,

1475
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,560
turn around the faceboo. Please just try for these people.

1476
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,039
There's people listening to you now. You want to communicate

1477
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:04,520
with you? Now?

1478
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 6: Can you talk to people? Can you talk to people?

1479
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:08,000
You meet?

1480
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:11,039
Speaker 3: Yourself? Heard say about David. I'll ask your questions. I

1481
01:27:11,079 --> 01:27:13,239
ask your questions. I'll leave a space in between so

1482
01:27:13,359 --> 01:27:18,279
you can answer. Try and answer through the electronic equipment

1483
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:18,800
that's here.

1484
01:27:18,920 --> 01:27:21,199
Speaker 7: The guys are hearing something actually work out, saying that

1485
01:27:21,319 --> 01:27:24,319
there's a strange feedback noise, again and again it's very

1486
01:27:24,399 --> 01:27:25,159
loud and again.

1487
01:27:26,119 --> 01:27:28,920
Speaker 6: Okay, David, you aady, You can start to talk from me?

1488
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:33,399
Is David your real name? David as saying as an

1489
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,359
electronic type voice sounds.

1490
01:27:35,359 --> 01:27:39,159
Speaker 3: To what he heard last night? Is it your your

1491
01:27:39,239 --> 01:27:41,239
real name? David? Is that your real name?

1492
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 6: There's one thing I need to know, Davids you pull

1493
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:52,000
Polish Jewish, Polish Jewish David.

1494
01:27:52,079 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 3: The other thing as well is does Belson mean anything

1495
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:07,199
to you? Just answer me now? Please? Okay. What I'll

1496
01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:09,680
do David as well is if you can, if you

1497
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,199
do me a favor, please, I'm ask Susanne to put

1498
01:28:12,520 --> 01:28:17,239
her hand in front of your face, not touching the painting,

1499
01:28:17,359 --> 01:28:21,000
just about six inches away, six inches.

1500
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:21,199
Speaker 9: Away from me.

1501
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 3: A little bit more there, a bit more away, okay, David,

1502
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:26,720
Can you start to breathe on the hand now?

1503
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 6: Writing on whose voice? Do you hear the feedback from.

1504
01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:33,279
Speaker 3: Do you believed?

1505
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:35,079
Speaker 9: Oh?

1506
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:36,159
Speaker 5: That's so real?

1507
01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:42,079
Speaker 3: Can you feel that? Thank Thank you, David, I really

1508
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:44,439
appreciate it. Are you breathing on hand now? Can you

1509
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:46,800
do a little bit stronger for me? And you make

1510
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,359
the temperature go down in the room for me? Make

1511
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,760
it colder, nous, you can't see some of the screen

1512
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:56,319
guys with my hand. Make it colder, clearly feeling a reaction.

1513
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,880
Make it cold upon me? Bye, bite your fingers.

1514
01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:01,039
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I'm joking.

1515
01:29:03,319 --> 01:29:06,359
Speaker 3: I'm joking. David, okay, make it go cold upon me.

1516
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,880
Come on, there a little cold upon me, David. Please?

1517
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:23,640
Do you feel that it's interesting? Yeah? Okay, David. Did

1518
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,560
you see the lights then on the face?

1519
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,239
Speaker 6: Did not see?

1520
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,359
Speaker 3: David? Can you show the lights on your face again? Please,

1521
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:35,640
so everybody can see. Can you show the lights on

1522
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,039
your face so everybody can see? Come on, David, do

1523
01:29:39,199 --> 01:29:43,119
that for me. You know, I totally respect you. You

1524
01:29:43,159 --> 01:29:45,920
know we've got this friendship going on. Just start to

1525
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,680
bring the lights on the face for anyone else here.

1526
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:53,239
He knows is the part from they Can you see

1527
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:59,039
it on his forehead there there's like a whispery light. Yeah,

1528
01:29:59,119 --> 01:30:04,079
can you see that? Okay, David, come a little stronger

1529
01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:06,520
for me. Bring yourself out. Come, bring yourself out of

1530
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,880
the painting in this room for me. No ghost, there's

1531
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,880
no one in the room part from us. Come on, David,

1532
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:16,439
bring yourself. Thanks, Come bring yourself out a little further,

1533
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,359
bring yourself out on the painting for me. David, Come on,

1534
01:30:20,039 --> 01:30:25,640
beave on Suzanne's hand, thank you. Let me just put

1535
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:26,359
the microphone to you.

1536
01:30:27,399 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 5: You really is braving. It's as if somebody's standing in

1537
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:33,520
front of me and I've got a person that's alive

1538
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,199
and you can actually feel if you can hear that,

1539
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:38,840
that's me.

1540
01:30:39,399 --> 01:30:42,680
Speaker 3: Fingers. Guys, there's only four of us, okay. Can you

1541
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,640
imagine if there was twenty of us? Fifteen of us

1542
01:30:46,119 --> 01:31:07,079
may maybe mm hmm yeah, h bet go back to show,

1543
01:31:07,079 --> 01:31:07,359
aren't me?

1544
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:07,880
Speaker 6: Okay?

1545
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:08,279
Speaker 3: David?

1546
01:31:09,159 --> 01:31:12,560
Speaker 6: Enjoy it, don't worry and appreciate that. Thank you very much.

1547
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:16,159
Speaker 9: Like to get back on, hold on, I need to

1548
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:16,920
get this way.

1549
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:17,159
Speaker 3: Back on.

1550
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:21,079
Speaker 5: Old done.

1551
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 7: It's old smell like a burning metal kind of smell.

1552
01:31:28,119 --> 01:31:34,680
Speaker 8: Your phone, okay, and you you actually you actually heard

1553
01:31:36,119 --> 01:31:40,079
you heard you heard the bell, but you haven't got

1554
01:31:40,079 --> 01:31:43,359
your head your sound that was coming from.

1555
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:51,640
Speaker 13: You so soundly distant, the ring as if it was

1556
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:54,680
real in the room, outside of the room actually felt.

1557
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 9: I could feel the breath on my hands, right.

1558
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,560
Speaker 5: But when I moved my hand away so his mouth,

1559
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,960
if that was his mouth, my hand was sort.

1560
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: Of like that far.

1561
01:32:04,039 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 5: You can see that on the show.

1562
01:32:07,119 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 9: He can there's a big lag at the moment, is right.

1563
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 5: Well, it was as if I could see that far

1564
01:32:14,119 --> 01:32:19,479
from his mouth, so close, but that far from his mouth.

1565
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,720
There was nothing here from the painting, but I could

1566
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:24,760
feel the breast on my fingertips.

1567
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:30,239
Speaker 6: There is a bit of the painting is darker, dark,

1568
01:32:30,319 --> 01:32:33,720
wrong thread than it was before. So stuff from from

1569
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:37,880
ghost Rider is obviously he's listening, but it's not in chatter.

1570
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:39,479
Speaker 9: It's on something Internet.

1571
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,079
Speaker 3: He's on the chatter now actually coming?

1572
01:32:41,560 --> 01:32:42,119
Speaker 9: Is he coming now?

1573
01:32:42,239 --> 01:32:45,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's put on the Facebook and he's been hearing

1574
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:51,520
the moan as well. Uh is here the moan and

1575
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:56,960
the phone and got shivers, asking if anybody's getting temp dropped.

1576
01:32:57,239 --> 01:33:00,399
Speaker 5: Well, he just says temp has dropped and seeing cobblet effect.

1577
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:02,079
Speaker 9: Yeah, and by count.

1578
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:07,359
Speaker 5: But that last noise was loud that time a paradox

1579
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:11,479
heard it again and again, and the.

1580
01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 8: Last phone ring was was loud enough and you actually

1581
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:17,199
heard it the first time. I actually heard it from

1582
01:33:17,239 --> 01:33:17,880
the head phone.

1583
01:33:18,039 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 6: I didn't hear the It was distant, but definitely like

1584
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,520
an old fashioned bell ring of the phone.

1585
01:33:24,199 --> 01:33:28,399
Speaker 8: Go get a dictaphone out. We've we've had a dictaphone.

1586
01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,239
We called him for the last two hours.

1587
01:33:31,239 --> 01:33:33,079
Speaker 5: Wondering when it flashes something.

1588
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,119
Speaker 3: Because there was a flashing lights. It's still running.

1589
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:42,319
Speaker 9: And it will hold it. That's a gig that would

1590
01:33:42,319 --> 01:33:43,279
be interesting to listen.

1591
01:33:43,479 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 7: Did anybody else who was actually in the chat room

1592
01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,359
or listen to the show hear anything that they can

1593
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:51,279
come in and talk about signing. If you have to

1594
01:33:51,319 --> 01:33:55,159
sign up, just type onto the chat book that section

1595
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:56,359
so we know if you heard anything.

1596
01:33:57,039 --> 01:34:00,119
Speaker 9: Yes, there you go. We seem to have seen to

1597
01:34:00,159 --> 01:34:03,760
have had paranormal activity here live on the show.

1598
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:08,279
Speaker 5: So just just to reiterate some of the things that

1599
01:34:08,319 --> 01:34:10,960
have been said. I thought it was in the hub,

1600
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:14,000
which was an original one. But he said, but strange

1601
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:17,680
feedback when you're talking a paradox, said I have heard

1602
01:34:18,199 --> 01:34:22,039
been hearing sounds. I asked if I can't whether he

1603
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:26,079
heard it, and he suggests I said, oh my god,

1604
01:34:26,239 --> 01:34:28,640
that looks freaky. When we obviously turned the lights out

1605
01:34:29,199 --> 01:34:33,520
before everything else, he likes, I don't know nobody's mentioned

1606
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:39,880
about lights at the moment. I hear electronic and hear

1607
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:43,319
electronic type voice was what I said, similar to what

1608
01:34:43,399 --> 01:34:47,319
you had last night. If I can't said that, that

1609
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:48,880
strange me back.

1610
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:52,600
Speaker 6: Again, and he's just said, there's no feedback now.

1611
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:56,039
Speaker 5: No, oh my god, that was very loud. And again

1612
01:34:56,159 --> 01:35:02,840
it's gone quiet. It's not doing it anymore, said again,

1613
01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,479
I heard it again. Last noise was loud tempertures dropped

1614
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,399
by can He then heard it again, Why can't go

1615
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:14,000
side and said he heard it again vic sense, So

1616
01:35:14,119 --> 01:35:17,520
there is no feedback noise now it's all strange an account.

1617
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:22,000
The paradox said, what would happen with live e v

1618
01:35:22,159 --> 01:35:27,800
P equipment present? They never saw any lights?

1619
01:35:28,119 --> 01:35:31,399
Speaker 9: Well, hopefully all these noises have been picked up on.

1620
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:36,600
Speaker 5: The Yeah, hopefully, and we know that even though we've

1621
01:35:36,600 --> 01:35:39,000
got phones around the hills, they aren't connected.

1622
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:44,800
Speaker 9: To each other. So with noise and no, it's not

1623
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:46,640
anyway you know.

1624
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:51,399
Speaker 5: But no, that was quite interesting, very interesting.

1625
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:56,279
Speaker 6: What I find interesting to me on the phone ringing and.

1626
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 8: Gives give credibility to the fact that it wasn't coming

1627
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:05,079
from next door or anywhere else.

1628
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:08,800
Speaker 9: It is the first one our visit has heard it.

1629
01:36:09,039 --> 01:36:11,000
I heard it on the headphone, but nobody heard it

1630
01:36:11,079 --> 01:36:15,600
in the room listeners. I heard it on the headphone

1631
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:16,359
because obviously.

1632
01:36:16,239 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 6: Listening to a neighbor's house, you heard it before.

1633
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:20,960
Speaker 3: You, but it was you.

1634
01:36:21,119 --> 01:36:22,600
Speaker 9: You'd have heard it in here the first time, and

1635
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,520
he didn't. But it was very loud.

1636
01:36:24,560 --> 01:36:28,279
Speaker 5: A second John just said keep ky to near near

1637
01:36:28,319 --> 01:36:29,319
the painting.

1638
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:32,560
Speaker 6: But actually the K two meter I do start to

1639
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:33,239
use it with him.

1640
01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:38,159
Speaker 5: Now, I thought it might do with a selectrical equipment.

1641
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:44,279
Nobody put it next door to it. Just see what happens,

1642
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,560
See what happens equipment the room. Yeah, that's what you got.

1643
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem.

1644
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:50,840
Speaker 6: But we have used it.

1645
01:36:51,319 --> 01:36:53,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is it.

1646
01:36:56,359 --> 01:36:56,640
Speaker 9: This is it.

1647
01:36:56,760 --> 01:36:58,680
Speaker 5: This is what you've got to think about. That's the

1648
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,399
same thing. So we didn't have that with us when

1649
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:08,079
we do. Yeah, so that's the shame. You should have

1650
01:37:08,119 --> 01:37:13,000
thought about that earlier. Heard someone else speak now, voice

1651
01:37:14,119 --> 01:37:16,039
said John, when did you hear that?

1652
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 3: It's just your job?

1653
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:22,239
Speaker 5: I think it might be.

1654
01:37:22,279 --> 01:37:28,119
Speaker 9: And he's talking, actually speaking. It was talking about where

1655
01:37:28,119 --> 01:37:30,159
we were doing, letting people know what was on.

1656
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:34,920
Speaker 5: Yeah. But but as I say, that's that's just here,

1657
01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:38,600
like you say, with us, just not enough energy. But

1658
01:37:38,720 --> 01:37:42,680
can you imagine it if you've got twenty four people,

1659
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:45,680
three groups about or something in a in a building,

1660
01:37:46,119 --> 01:37:47,800
you know what I mean at your venue?

1661
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:50,199
Speaker 3: I mean the way the way to work it really,

1662
01:37:50,279 --> 01:37:52,239
like I said, is you know, like you split your

1663
01:37:52,239 --> 01:37:54,840
teams into two. You do investigations in the building. Do

1664
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,239
the Englishman live it's aperment? Do you swap over? Yeah?

1665
01:37:58,079 --> 01:38:01,560
Two team teams over and you make a really interesting.

1666
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 5: Did anyone else here I was hearing just before John spoke,

1667
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:15,920
as I say, it's it's definitely weird. I can't get over.

1668
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,880
In fact, I just show people here that when I

1669
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,439
moved my hand over in case you can see, I

1670
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,520
didn't see my hands over his fade. Oh god, I

1671
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:29,840
can still feel it. You can still feel the draft

1672
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:34,800
from his mouth, which you always said about, amn't you Andy, Absolutely,

1673
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,279
But when I moved my fingers away to side of

1674
01:38:38,399 --> 01:38:42,000
his mouth, but it's still in the opening, you can

1675
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:45,560
still you can still feel the slight breeze, not as

1676
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,119
much as it was when John asked him to breathe

1677
01:38:49,159 --> 01:38:52,720
on my fingers. It literally while I didn't hear it,

1678
01:38:53,279 --> 01:38:56,399
but it actually if I can show you how how

1679
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:06,119
it would have sounded if if I'd heard it like that.

1680
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 3: So you know, that turned me on a different show.

1681
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,640
Speaker 9: All of a sudden, there's that noise.

1682
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 5: It's me breathing.

1683
01:39:17,640 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 9: No, no, they haven't got it yet, right, so we're

1684
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:28,840
hearing you breathe now? Oh yeah, yeah. Delay. Actually having

1685
01:39:28,920 --> 01:39:31,079
said that, the delay on this has changed.

1686
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:35,119
Speaker 3: At least I was thinking that myself is to get

1687
01:39:35,239 --> 01:39:36,079
longer and longer.

1688
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:40,720
Speaker 8: Yeah, we went from the original three. Yeah, they went

1689
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,920
to twelve. Interesting and then there.

1690
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:44,359
Speaker 3: Was a glitch.

1691
01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:48,920
Speaker 7: Interesting in the Senate they were getting the feedback. Noise

1692
01:39:49,039 --> 01:39:50,399
was when you put your hand.

1693
01:39:50,479 --> 01:39:53,520
Speaker 5: Across his fat. I'm going to try that again, guys.

1694
01:39:55,439 --> 01:39:58,079
There is a bit of a delay. Savee with me.

1695
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:10,840
Oh right, there was nobody talking, nor that happened.

1696
01:40:20,119 --> 01:40:22,359
Speaker 7: There's a Viscount and John are both hearing that sound

1697
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:30,439
that when you move your hand to the mouth, right.

1698
01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:33,239
Speaker 9: So did you did you know?

1699
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:36,479
Speaker 5: It's not right?

1700
01:40:36,600 --> 01:40:37,760
Speaker 9: Okay, it's a bit.

1701
01:40:41,239 --> 01:40:43,720
Speaker 7: Smell I got earlier was definitely like metal burnie. It

1702
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,920
was quite unpleasant. It was that kind of metallic smell.

1703
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:52,680
Speaker 5: The paradox just went hell yeah, there was just there.

1704
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:56,640
Now again heard it lower that time?

1705
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:02,560
Speaker 6: He does other effect, Yeah, said the cage. Remember we

1706
01:41:02,680 --> 01:41:03,840
had a problems.

1707
01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:09,119
Speaker 5: Can I just ask guys, when we've had the show

1708
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:14,399
on before, have you ever heard a similar noise before?

1709
01:41:15,279 --> 01:41:19,840
Or is this a completely different noise? Just out of curiosity,

1710
01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:24,239
if you could just let me know if you're in

1711
01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:27,920
the chat room. But yeah, I know that's the thing.

1712
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:31,399
There is quite delay. I want to reset it. If

1713
01:41:31,439 --> 01:41:33,199
I do that, they might miss what I've just said.

1714
01:41:34,319 --> 01:41:38,560
Speaker 6: So yeah, no, no, said viscount.

1715
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:45,039
Speaker 5: Right, okay, all right, we've got a little bit of delay. Okay,

1716
01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:46,600
so what I'm going to do is I'm just going

1717
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:49,319
to try and reset it. Okay, see if I can

1718
01:41:49,359 --> 01:41:50,319
get back a bit quicker.

1719
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, we have about twelve seconds at the moment.

1720
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:56,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you want to tell me when that stops,

1721
01:41:56,199 --> 01:42:06,600
Dave said, maybe chickens.

1722
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:09,520
Speaker 9: You remember the chickens?

1723
01:42:10,399 --> 01:42:15,960
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, let's see what we've got here. That's better. Yeah, No,

1724
01:42:16,199 --> 01:42:17,039
not heard it before.

1725
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 3: Reset in the system, so it's not sink.

1726
01:42:20,840 --> 01:42:22,560
Speaker 6: It's getting into about ten twelve seconds.

1727
01:42:23,079 --> 01:42:26,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't like that to be started. Change.

1728
01:42:28,199 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 9: The actual delay has changed four times in the time

1729
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:31,600
the show has been on.

1730
01:42:32,159 --> 01:42:34,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, so is it you that today?

1731
01:42:35,399 --> 01:42:36,159
Speaker 3: Is that not normal?

1732
01:42:37,319 --> 01:42:38,079
Speaker 5: Not that bad?

1733
01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:43,399
Speaker 7: I think certainly between turn the lights off and delays,

1734
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,840
the delay happened once we turned the light.

1735
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, it's got long.

1736
01:42:48,119 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 8: I mean it has gone a longer delay before, but

1737
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:54,319
never never, that's never gone back with Yeah.

1738
01:42:54,760 --> 01:42:56,039
Speaker 6: Like I said, it's changed four.

1739
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,119
Speaker 5: Times so far, right, you know in the sounds you

1740
01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:03,840
get before the show. So it just happened again. It

1741
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,520
might have been because I just turned it off and

1742
01:43:05,600 --> 01:43:14,119
turned it back on again, so I can't think what

1743
01:43:14,199 --> 01:43:17,680
it could be then. So but they said, most of

1744
01:43:17,880 --> 01:43:20,079
said it's not what they heard before, and they have

1745
01:43:20,199 --> 01:43:20,920
heard sound before.

1746
01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:23,399
Speaker 3: I think they do is check the audio of the show, yes.

1747
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 9: Because you put it on and if it's it would

1748
01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:35,239
have picked up on well, yeah, definitely on them. Yeah,

1749
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:38,239
it would be interesting to play that.

1750
01:43:39,199 --> 01:43:41,239
Speaker 6: You get time and so.

1751
01:43:42,279 --> 01:43:46,279
Speaker 9: But as I say, it's I can't get over that.

1752
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:52,800
That was quite interesting.

1753
01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,399
Speaker 8: I say, I do find it significant that the first

1754
01:43:55,479 --> 01:43:58,399
time it rang owning, the people on air heard it,

1755
01:43:58,960 --> 01:44:00,680
and at the second time it was held in the room.

1756
01:44:01,800 --> 01:44:04,920
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you where it was coming from. It

1757
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,000
was out of the room, it was somewhere almost just

1758
01:44:07,119 --> 01:44:07,600
in the air.

1759
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,640
Speaker 9: It was just there. You know what.

1760
01:44:10,119 --> 01:44:12,279
Speaker 3: He makes a special apport when when he needs to.

1761
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1762
01:44:13,239 --> 01:44:16,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they're saying actually on the forum that it's

1763
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:19,640
happening again, the noise, But.

1764
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, but it wasn't in the original.

1765
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:33,520
It's only done it since we did that experiment down okay,

1766
01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:40,560
but on it's on. Yeah, Dave, it's getting loud. You

1767
01:44:40,640 --> 01:44:50,359
hear when it stay, you're not hearing.

1768
01:44:52,520 --> 01:44:54,279
Speaker 9: Just like a like a wave kind of thing. But

1769
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:56,920
you get that when you when you listening to nothing. Yeah,

1770
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:00,439
and he's but is it.

1771
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 3: My beats, audio, beats udio?

1772
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:08,560
Speaker 9: It is out there.

1773
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 5: So weird.

1774
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:20,039
Speaker 9: Nu her Andy.

1775
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:24,560
Speaker 6: Right houses to stop there, h.

1776
01:45:26,119 --> 01:45:27,760
Speaker 5: That was that was the breathing on it?

1777
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:29,039
Speaker 3: No, there was something then.

1778
01:45:38,199 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 6: It's a weird metallic sound in the background that I've

1779
01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:44,319
never heard before.

1780
01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 5: Mm hmm when you've heard every show. Yeah, so maybe

1781
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:53,680
it's some residue.

1782
01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 3: Back it's I mean, you've felt the breathing.

1783
01:46:01,720 --> 01:46:02,239
Speaker 6: You felt that.

1784
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 3: I can't obviously I can't speak before what went on

1785
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,800
the noises, but like I said, he does have a

1786
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:14,640
big effect. You've seen it in the case you've been

1787
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:15,199
involved in it.

1788
01:46:17,079 --> 01:46:18,079
Speaker 5: Ask John to speak.

1789
01:46:19,640 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 9: But there's something, there was something behind it. I'm not

1790
01:46:23,960 --> 01:46:24,960
I'm not getting what it is.

1791
01:46:25,880 --> 01:46:30,640
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk again? Delays lays increasing as well.

1792
01:46:31,119 --> 01:46:37,479
Talk to David now, yeah, okay, David, just and I

1793
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:39,600
don't like so one, but if you can just make

1794
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,039
a special effort for me, please, and if you just

1795
01:46:42,279 --> 01:46:44,399
start to make it happen for me now that.

1796
01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:48,760
Speaker 9: That was aping really yeah, yeah.

1797
01:46:49,039 --> 01:46:53,600
Speaker 3: That was to come and talking David. If you can

1798
01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:56,640
just make something else happen for me. Now, please just

1799
01:46:56,720 --> 01:47:00,079
start to bring yourself out work was now communicate with

1800
01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:02,920
us now the way you know how by using all

1801
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:07,800
this got around. You know you've done that before. You

1802
01:47:07,880 --> 01:47:16,680
didn't do it again? Day do it again. I really

1803
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:21,279
appreciate it if you can do what was that?

1804
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:23,720
Speaker 9: WHOA? Well that that's no.

1805
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 8: You said, come on, David, do it again to me.

1806
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:30,479
What came over with my ears was do it again

1807
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,399
for me? First, it wasn't there. Yeah, I heard you

1808
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:38,239
say it. Did you did you catch that? There was

1809
01:47:38,279 --> 01:47:42,479
actually two words missing. You actually said, come on, David,

1810
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,560
do it again for me. But what went out on

1811
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:49,000
air was do it again for me? Come on, Davey

1812
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:55,239
was missing And like I just said that, you're spoken.

1813
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 5: Well, you can honestly say that there's something to this picture,

1814
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:08,439
can't you? I said, you can only say there's something

1815
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:09,119
to this picture.

1816
01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 6: Well, in the mic, we'll considering this is this is uh,

1817
01:48:14,319 --> 01:48:18,199
I always have this, This has always happened in in

1818
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:23,960
over two years of doing the show. We have to

1819
01:48:24,039 --> 01:48:28,720
put it down to the picture. Yes, definitely, Otherwise it

1820
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,600
would have been heard before. Goespe just said he got

1821
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,359
a moment then that goes again.

1822
01:48:44,119 --> 01:48:45,520
Speaker 5: Can you say what it actually is?

1823
01:48:46,640 --> 01:48:47,720
Speaker 9: What the hell was that?

1824
01:48:49,079 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 3: That's what I'm done?

1825
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:54,560
Speaker 6: So well that that was loud.

1826
01:48:56,119 --> 01:49:00,239
Speaker 8: H and and and and it's like somebody's somebody's in

1827
01:49:00,319 --> 01:49:05,680
something metal mm hm metals straight yeah, but without without

1828
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,800
the high pach squil, without the high pitch squirrel touched.

1829
01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 3: At that moment, no one was speaking.

1830
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes metalic.

1831
01:49:19,159 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 5: So okay, for those that are actually listening to the

1832
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:25,880
radio replay, we're gonna stay quiet for a couple of

1833
01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:29,640
well for about thirty seconds a minute, just to see

1834
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:32,960
what happens minute Roxy move Now.

1835
01:49:34,399 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 9: I'm get rid of the well did anybody else hear that?

1836
01:49:41,960 --> 01:49:42,159
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1837
01:49:42,279 --> 01:49:43,039
Speaker 9: It was a bike.

1838
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:47,039
Speaker 5: I was just about the same, go and get a bike.

1839
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:56,560
Speaker 9: Because all I got was that. I'll keeping my keep

1840
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:58,760
in mind, I've got headphones on. I'm not here.

1841
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:01,520
Speaker 5: I say we're going to be quiet for a minute

1842
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:04,159
or two. We're not not that long, but just for

1843
01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:06,279
a bit, just to see whether you can hear anything.

1844
01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:10,239
In fact, we could turn our mics as well. Yeah,

1845
01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:12,159
to make sure it's not coming through there. So we're

1846
01:50:12,159 --> 01:50:13,119
going to turn the mics down.

1847
01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:43,079
Speaker 10: Okay, guys, just so you all know.

1848
01:50:43,239 --> 01:50:46,159
Speaker 6: So actually turned all the mics down on it. It's

1849
01:50:46,159 --> 01:50:46,800
still there again?

1850
01:50:48,199 --> 01:50:51,760
Speaker 9: Really, just before you said, okay, gods really loud.

1851
01:50:53,119 --> 01:50:54,880
Speaker 5: David, is this you doing this?

1852
01:50:56,359 --> 01:50:57,039
Speaker 3: The answer? Please? Do?

1853
01:50:59,119 --> 01:50:59,319
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1854
01:50:59,359 --> 01:51:05,199
Speaker 9: It is you start.

1855
01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:13,039
Speaker 3: Just start going, say, David, if you will pay second delay? Now?

1856
01:51:14,279 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm the nearly picture as best I can.

1857
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 3: Okay, David. What I want you to do is to

1858
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:23,279
communicate with Suzanne please, if you will, Okay, just do

1859
01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:25,399
that for me. If you will do please, You've gotta

1860
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,159
let Susan to talk. Susan's going to talk to you now,

1861
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:31,520
and then if you can respond to Suzanne, please, David,

1862
01:51:31,600 --> 01:51:32,479
that would be a very good thing.

1863
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:37,720
Speaker 5: Hi, David, can you do something for us? Please? Can

1864
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:53,119
you make a noise for us? Thank you, David, David.

1865
01:51:53,359 --> 01:51:55,479
Can you make the lights flash on the K two

1866
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:59,399
if you would? In fact, can you pass it up

1867
01:51:59,399 --> 01:52:02,159
to me John? Oh, thank you, thank you? Can you

1868
01:52:02,239 --> 01:52:02,720
pass it up?

1869
01:52:07,239 --> 01:52:07,359
Speaker 9: Hi?

1870
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:09,920
Speaker 5: David? Can you make him flash again for me? Please?

1871
01:52:11,920 --> 01:52:18,119
Just so everyone can see? Please, David, can you make

1872
01:52:18,159 --> 01:52:29,079
them flash again? Maybe not? I want to put them

1873
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:34,479
on there. I hope you don't mind, David, and mind

1874
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:36,039
you're saying that. I don't think they can see him

1875
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:45,359
it's a bit too low, isn't it on there? Yeah? No, okay,

1876
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you couldn't see that. Just now.

1877
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:53,239
Speaker 9: I asked it to go again, right? Noise again? David?

1878
01:52:53,319 --> 01:52:55,199
Speaker 5: Can you flash the K two again for us?

1879
01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:00,159
Speaker 9: Somebody said alone in that tho?

1880
01:53:03,399 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 6: David?

1881
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:06,239
Speaker 5: Did you just say hello? If you can? Can you

1882
01:53:06,319 --> 01:53:25,000
say it again? Please? It definitely sounds like David, are

1883
01:53:25,039 --> 01:53:27,439
you making the scraping sound? If you can, can you

1884
01:53:27,560 --> 01:53:43,039
make it really loud? M David? Can you make the

1885
01:53:43,159 --> 01:53:45,199
scraping sound loud? If that's you?

1886
01:53:47,319 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 3: H m h.

1887
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 6: M hmm.

1888
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:06,279
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I think.

1889
01:54:07,680 --> 01:54:14,760
Speaker 5: We stop it, David. If that's you, can you speak

1890
01:54:14,800 --> 01:54:16,319
to us please? Can you say.

1891
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 12: Something that's getting pretty close to speech now?

1892
01:54:33,439 --> 01:54:37,159
Speaker 6: Is that? Yeah?

1893
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:40,720
Speaker 3: Okay, David, thank you for it. Thank you for talking

1894
01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:44,600
to Susan. I really appreciate that. Okay. Do you remember

1895
01:54:44,760 --> 01:54:46,560
a couple of weeks ago when you turn the evil

1896
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:47,479
around and your taste?

1897
01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:50,399
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1898
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:51,880
Speaker 6: Mhm.

1899
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 3: You talk to me, David, just at about it. I

1900
01:54:56,960 --> 01:54:59,840
can't hear what you're saying, but if you can, so

1901
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:04,479
he's something for me. So you can hear what I'm

1902
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:07,600
saying on on the radio. Now, Okay, David, you ready,

1903
01:55:08,359 --> 01:55:11,920
do you remember when you turned around the basically and

1904
01:55:12,119 --> 01:55:17,199
that building articularly in couples ago, it was in your gut,

1905
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:29,039
you remember, leaving as the gap between guys who give

1906
01:55:29,279 --> 01:55:33,640
answer to talk. Okay, David, would you consider me to

1907
01:55:33,720 --> 01:55:40,439
be your friend? We've got a connection now that you're

1908
01:55:40,479 --> 01:55:44,159
a friend of mine. Now, thank you, David. I really appreciate.

1909
01:55:44,319 --> 01:55:48,800
I can't hear myself. I can't hear myself, but you

1910
01:55:48,880 --> 01:55:51,920
know you're being listening to now if that's okay. So

1911
01:55:52,039 --> 01:55:54,960
there's that's a few more questions and then we'll we'll

1912
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:56,159
hand you back to Susie.

1913
01:55:56,279 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 9: Okay, So.

1914
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:02,199
Speaker 3: That's can you finding all this pretty interesting way you

1915
01:56:02,279 --> 01:56:16,600
are today tonight? One thing I've always wanted to find out, David,

1916
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:19,239
so I can help you because I need to know

1917
01:56:19,359 --> 01:56:22,239
his surname. You really need to know what your last

1918
01:56:22,319 --> 01:56:25,079
name is. Is there any chance you can tell us

1919
01:56:25,159 --> 01:56:38,880
now what your last name is? Thank you, David.

1920
01:56:40,479 --> 01:56:43,159
Speaker 6: Have you noticed the delays down for about two seconds? Again?

1921
01:56:45,319 --> 01:56:50,800
Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's no doubt about it. That's that sounded like speech,

1922
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:52,760
but you couldn't make up the words, but it's sounded

1923
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:53,479
like words.

1924
01:56:55,239 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 5: And I was asking if you were talking to Andy

1925
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:02,520
Steve goes down to type, are you talking to Andy?

1926
01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:06,279
You wasn't, goes time to ask if you were talking

1927
01:57:06,319 --> 01:57:06,840
to Andy.

1928
01:57:07,159 --> 01:57:09,039
Speaker 6: No, I wasn't talking to anybody.

1929
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 8: Uh, and loads of stuff on him again as the

1930
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:17,279
picture froze, which was what happened last time when the

1931
01:57:17,399 --> 01:57:22,600
delay Why Count'm saying, but you know what was that

1932
01:57:24,079 --> 01:57:28,239
it's replying but faint. In fact, that was loud again

1933
01:57:28,319 --> 01:57:31,279
but faint. All these sort of things that people can

1934
01:57:31,319 --> 01:57:34,359
even whispering, they're all hearing it.

1935
01:57:35,920 --> 01:57:36,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, and.

1936
01:57:40,359 --> 01:57:43,640
Speaker 6: Where they're all hearing it online, we're not actually hearing

1937
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:44,199
it in the room.

1938
01:57:44,319 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 10: No, we're not.

1939
01:57:46,399 --> 01:57:46,439
Speaker 3: No.

1940
01:57:48,319 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 6: And from a technical point of view, we're doing nothing

1941
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:52,720
that we don't always do.

1942
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:55,199
Speaker 5: I know it may sound change. I hope it don't

1943
01:57:55,199 --> 01:57:58,479
sound blasphemous or whatever. I'm just going to try something.

1944
01:58:00,039 --> 01:58:07,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last Okay, David, we've got a microphone and

1945
01:58:08,199 --> 01:58:11,359
hopefully you know what, we've got a my microphone in

1946
01:58:11,439 --> 01:58:13,479
your mouth now, David, if you can just answer some

1947
01:58:13,720 --> 01:58:17,000
questions to me, please, if you don't mind, let's let's

1948
01:58:17,079 --> 01:58:19,880
just try it. And you know, one of the things

1949
01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:21,600
are always, like I was saying before, one of the

1950
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:23,359
things that all we wanted to find out is your

1951
01:58:23,439 --> 01:58:26,520
last name? I just need to know your surname. And

1952
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:37,600
if you can do it, how for me? Please? Where

1953
01:58:37,680 --> 01:58:40,399
you come from, David? Where do you come from? What's

1954
01:58:40,439 --> 01:58:53,159
the country of origin? And just one more thing, was

1955
01:58:53,199 --> 01:59:03,279
it Belson or was it back out? Is there a

1956
01:59:03,359 --> 01:59:09,199
connection with a contentation? Is it will War two?

1957
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:21,760
Speaker 5: Okay? But was there any noise whatsoever coming across you?

1958
01:59:24,039 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 3: There's no distinct words.

1959
01:59:37,479 --> 01:59:38,079
Speaker 5: What did you get?

1960
01:59:39,039 --> 01:59:42,560
Speaker 7: Well, certainly again that metallic kind of voice, but there

1961
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:46,039
was at one point sounded like whispering, an actual proper

1962
01:59:46,159 --> 01:59:48,520
voice whispering in amongst that sound.

1963
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:50,319
Speaker 3: M hm.

1964
01:59:53,319 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 7: The one thing it does remind me of and we

1965
01:59:55,640 --> 02:00:00,479
have seen the film of Mothman Prophecies, whichard good film.

1966
02:00:01,000 --> 02:00:03,960
But there's one point, and it is it does actually

1967
02:00:04,000 --> 02:00:05,560
happen for real. It's based on the true story, I

1968
02:00:05,600 --> 02:00:08,239
mean loosely based on a true story. But at one point,

1969
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:11,960
the main character receives a phone call from the shadow

1970
02:00:12,760 --> 02:00:16,680
moth person and it sounds like metallic speech, like we're

1971
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,760
hearing when they're going to have it analyzed.

1972
02:00:18,760 --> 02:00:18,960
Speaker 3: Again.

1973
02:00:19,000 --> 02:00:20,279
Speaker 7: This is in the film, but it also happened in

1974
02:00:20,319 --> 02:00:23,319
real life. The analysis came back with just metallic sound.

1975
02:00:23,479 --> 02:00:26,399
Speaker 3: But you can clearly hear speech, right. That reminded me of.

1976
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:30,640
Speaker 8: Vin said, he said, when you said bells, it sounded

1977
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:31,880
like a too syllable sound.

1978
02:00:35,319 --> 02:00:46,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is a too syllable that Vicount said them anyway, And.

1979
02:00:46,680 --> 02:00:47,359
Speaker 5: What do you think to that?

1980
02:00:48,199 --> 02:00:51,039
Speaker 8: Ghost Riders said, it's like the camera's trying to focus.

1981
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:53,199
I'm not saying that on my screens.

1982
02:00:56,640 --> 02:00:56,800
Speaker 10: Hm.

1983
02:00:57,199 --> 02:01:00,520
Speaker 9: That smells not here either, But.

1984
02:01:00,600 --> 02:01:03,479
Speaker 5: What did you think to that? Guys, obviously you couldn't

1985
02:01:03,479 --> 02:01:08,720
see much on the radio replay, but I know, but

1986
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:11,119
they couldn't see what we were doing on the radio replay.

1987
02:01:11,359 --> 02:01:15,000
But say it's it's said to assume they healed the

1988
02:01:15,039 --> 02:01:17,119
noises on the radio, I would hope.

1989
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:20,560
Speaker 6: So, I hope so as well. Will check the machine.

1990
02:01:20,640 --> 02:01:22,760
I am really keeping my fingers crossed, and it's not

1991
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:25,279
just a live thing. And when he plays it back

1992
02:01:25,399 --> 02:01:27,119
that they're not there, Yeah.

1993
02:01:27,079 --> 02:01:28,239
Speaker 3: And would be more spooky.

1994
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

1995
02:01:32,359 --> 02:01:34,159
Speaker 3: She since the boody start and I've never heard.

1996
02:01:34,359 --> 02:01:39,279
Speaker 6: That before, said very interesting. Want more, loven't it?

1997
02:01:42,000 --> 02:01:43,479
Speaker 5: Well, I'm afraid we're gonna have to come to the

1998
02:01:43,560 --> 02:01:46,479
end of the show. I'm afraid that's it for tonight.

1999
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:51,159
Thanks for coming, John, Welcome thank you having me tonight.

2000
02:01:51,159 --> 02:01:54,800
It's always nice having you around. And I'm not sure

2001
02:01:54,920 --> 02:01:59,640
about the painting though, you know, it's so intriguing. I've

2002
02:01:59,720 --> 02:02:02,840
never experienced any of that before. I must admit him

2003
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:06,960
when you came last time but with it, but yeah,

2004
02:02:07,159 --> 02:02:11,159
it still intrigues me. Andy. Thanks for coming up.

2005
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 7: That seemed very It was a rather long get because

2006
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:19,560
the DeLay's got a long but I would listen again

2007
02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:22,840
to the show. Yeah, and I've noticed that now we

2008
02:02:22,960 --> 02:02:26,039
stopped talking about you know what, the noise has stopped.

2009
02:02:26,960 --> 02:02:30,319
Speaker 5: Okay, So anyway, we're going to come to the end

2010
02:02:30,319 --> 02:02:32,239
of this. Thanks for coming up, Andy, And maybe you'll

2011
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:36,680
come up again and see us again sometime.

2012
02:02:36,800 --> 02:02:41,399
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely definitely next year, but certainly will Yeah.

2013
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:45,319
Speaker 5: So, and obviously I will take you up on your

2014
02:02:45,359 --> 02:02:51,720
offer with the Angry Anguishman the english Man, but I

2015
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:55,720
hope to see you before then. Well, next week, guys,

2016
02:02:55,960 --> 02:02:58,960
what if we got on. We have a young lady

2017
02:02:59,159 --> 02:03:03,560
back with us again, Rosemary Ellen Gwilly. She has published

2018
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:09,279
a wide range of paranormal, spiritual and mystical topics and

2019
02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:12,199
for this show next week she's going to be talking

2020
02:03:12,239 --> 02:03:15,600
about the growing interest in the phenomenon of shadow people.

2021
02:03:16,119 --> 02:03:19,479
But what are they ghosts in two dimensional beings, time

2022
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:23,439
travelers or something else. Well we'll find out from Rosemary

2023
02:03:23,560 --> 02:03:26,279
next week. Now, don't forget. If you've got would like

2024
02:03:26,319 --> 02:03:28,479
to be on the show, then email us at admin

2025
02:03:28,520 --> 02:03:31,319
at KTPF dot co dot uk. We are always open

2026
02:03:31,359 --> 02:03:37,199
to discussion and to discuss specific areas of this genre,

2027
02:03:37,439 --> 02:03:43,279
including ghosts, monsters, psychic phenomena and other supernatural and unexplained mysteries.

2028
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:47,079
Remember this is your show too, so get involved. We

2029
02:03:47,239 --> 02:03:50,960
hope you enjoys enjoy the tonight's show and that's a

2030
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ANX for tonight. So it's good night from John, good night,

2031
02:03:55,439 --> 02:03:59,159
good night from Andy night, pardon.

2032
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Speaker 9: Good night, and remember this is where it's at and.

2033
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Speaker 5: We'll be back next week. Good Night from Steve. Good night,

2034
02:04:06,399 --> 02:04:08,760
and good night for me. And remember, oh yeah, and Dave,

2035
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:12,119
we must say goodbye to the English. Good night Dave,

2036
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:14,800
and remember what we've got to do is.

2037
02:04:16,479 --> 02:04:16,800
Speaker 9: Friendly.

2038
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Speaker 3: Good night.

2039
02:04:19,199 --> 02:04:20,079
Speaker 8: Thank you for listening.

2040
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Speaker 3: Don't forget to join us for more shows throughout the week.

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