Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering
what the Greyload Show is about if you haven't heard
previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by
a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Taggett in the
days of the KTPF radio show. Their own radio show
around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for
over the three hours. I joined them in the last
eighteen months of the show's run, but eventually the guys
felt they've just about had enough. It was a monumental
effort to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It
was a wonderful show. But unfortunately they are longer involved
and the shows have just sort of sat in the archives.
So I thought it would be nice to bring them
back to life and bringing you the interviews that the
guys conducted over those four years and include some of
the most interesting people within the world of the paranormal
and some not so, but it's nevertheless still very interesting people.
This is a very special show of the KTPF Reload.
This is a show that we did with John Blackburn
and the Mysterious anguish Man Painting. We actually carried out
a lot of investigation of the painting, actual live sounds.
If you like, what you're going to hear tonight is
the recording of that event. Now you'll also notice there
are some very strange noises which we noticed actually in
the studio and later on when we check the recordings.
I have deliberately amplified those sounds, so hopefully you can
hear them a bit clearer. Hopefully you're going to enjoy this.
And it's a bit longer than usual because I've kept
it as much as possible, so this is actually quite
a long show, but hopefully you're going to enjoy it. Anyway.
Here we go. Here is the KTBF Reload Show with
the Anglishman Haunted Painting.
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Speaker 5: Good evening, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the KATERPF
Community Talk Show live from Manchester, Okay. And my name
is Susanne and I and we are here keeping the
paranormal friendly right. Just to let you know who's going
to be on the show tonight. Our guest tonight we
have John Blackburn and Andy Mercer, who are live in
the Hub as we speak. We were talking about this picture,
which is called the anguish Man Painting, which has been
following John around on his mysterious paranormal events for some
time now, and he's joined us again to update us
on the painting and how it's affecting his life. Good evening, John,
good evening, are you. I'm fine, just about nice and
he is here with us in the Hub.
Speaker 6: I did give a big wave, didn't give it away.
Speaker 5: We've got the haunting. Haunted painting is what we're calling it,
isn't it?
Speaker 3: Indeed? The anguish Man?
Speaker 5: Right, So what we're going to do is we're going
to talk to John in a moment. How are you again?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Very well, thank you. It's been a.
Speaker 5: Good few months. Good few months, wouldn't you agree? There?
So well, anyway, the reason why you're back is we've
come back again to In fact, it's been over a year.
I've just remembered because we've been in this house nearly
a year and the last time you bought this. Yeah,
I've been in this house twenty fifth November. Yeah, and
we we saw this young man at last place, didn't we.
Speaker 3: Indeed?
Speaker 5: Now I hope you can see this lovely picture in
the background there. This is a picture that's called the
I don't think that's working, Stephen. This is a picture
called that and it said the hanging. It's the what's
the corner, young englishman? Oh dear? Not very good. But anyway,
and you've carried this how long you had this picture
with you?
Speaker 3: It's been round about three years now, three years, and
it's kind of over that for years. It's kind of
kind of weird really, but people are going to thinking
barking mad. But I've kind of made a friendship of it.
Speaker 5: Right well, before we go into what's been happening of late, okay,
before you updated about it, first of all, for those
of you don't know, John is from a group called
Mysteria Paranorm. That's correct, isn't it.
Speaker 3: That's correct?
Speaker 6: And he's a mysterious paranorm.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he is mysterious paranormal. And how long have
they been going?
Speaker 6: Five years?
Speaker 5: Five years? It goes fast than it when you move on,
so Dave Joyce and it doesn't look like a lucky picture.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: So, and you've during them five years. Three of them
you've been with this, gentleman.
Speaker 3: Have you? Yeah? Yeah, three of those years they are.
But the last twelve months I would say I've kind
of worked with it. I've been the most eventful. Let's
say it's kind of over that three years, I've built
a relationship, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 5: First of all, tell the audience how you got to
old on. We have a problem. Yep, you can just
gone blank, I'll we're back. Don't do this life stream.
Don't say it's amazing, be good. I need it working right.
First of all, tell us how you've got the painting.
How you found out about it?
Speaker 3: Right? Originally, going back three years ago, gentlemen, can call
Sean Robinson sent me an email and he said to
this day that he sent it to the wrong person. Really,
and I don't think anyone really probably took Sean seriously
at the time, and I thought that he sent it
to the wrong person. And I replied, after looking at
the video, which is filmed in his house, basically gone
back to the video. What actually happened is there was
ten nights of Sean recording in the spare room, and
he's had a lot of camcorder in the spare room
and five times out of those ten nights.
Speaker 5: Now I believe this is still on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It is still on YouTube.
Speaker 5: He's on the phone, isn't he hand happy every weekend? Right?
So he in contacted you and he showed the video.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I looked at it and I thought, this
is either a made up one, made up one, or
it's a real deal. And you know, you got to
keep an open mind sometimes hear about this. So I
had a chat with Sean. I was really interested, and
I decided to get together a development workshop, right, and
I invited the painting on and Sean And it was
at a place called Wasasdale Hall in Cumbria. And it was
quite an interesting night, quite quite a few not things
did happen, but not like they do now.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, so what happened on that night.
Speaker 3: On that night, what we did was we put the
painting inside the cellar. And then at that time the
painting didn't have its own easel. Then since it's had
its own easel, it's kind of put up a new
ball game. And what I did is I popped it
up on a snooker table in the cell and this lady,
one of the regularly to come to the events, she
decided to do a lone visual with the paint painting.
She said she'd do it. Yeah, and she did it
for ten minutes, and she did it for charity. And
she made about two and yeah, well done to her.
And I had her down and the well, I put
her down in the south and she had a walkie talking.
I was upstairs of all the guests, and she was
getting a bit panic. At some point it said she
she would hear footprints, sorry, coming from what sounded like
from behind the painting, because she was sat probably about
twelve foot away from the painting. I would time maybe fifteen,
and she said she canle hear these footsteps walking towards her.
This is in a pitch black room. It stopped in
front of her, turned right, yeah, and then went So
she kind of panicked a bit. Yeah, but she did
a ten minutes and then other people's don't say, well,
I'll do eleven minutes, you know, and I'll do twelve minutes.
And it kind of carried on. But we had a stipulation,
if you do that, it's got to be the charity.
And also another thing that happened was four ladies on
that night. They decided to do their own little vidual
of it, and all four of them said, because they
are scratching noises coming from inside the painting. So that
was that was that. But the only strange thing for
me was I went to pick up Sean because he
I can't remember. I think he's car did in work
at that time, and he put the painting in the back,
driving along in the paint with the painting and driving
down his country. I like you when you feel that
something is behind you. It was kind of like that.
And then we went into was Wasdale Hall and we
took the painting too, was Wasdale Hall, and I just
put it on the side on this chair and I
was thinking to himself, the atmosphere, the atmosphere is changing
the minute by a minute, And I thought to himself,
is it me?
Speaker 6: Is it me?
Speaker 3: Because I've been driving down and road in this car
with this paint painting in the So I decided to
have a chat with some of the guests and I
just said to some of the guests, you know, how
do you feel at the moment, And one of them said,
it's changing in this room. The atmosphere is changing. Six
of them said that they asked six Separd people and
and that's probably all that happened on that particular night.
But it was an interesting night nevertheless. But it's just
gone weird and weird and weird to Yeah.
Speaker 5: Now you've added something with this parinting, haven't you, Andy.
Speaker 6: Mike.
Speaker 3: An event that's the cage in.
Speaker 5: You Yeah, yeah, that was when we did the live
We did a live just everyb you know, we did
a live feed to the the cage which is near
Clacton on Sea. Yeah, and uh, it was you there,
wasn't it. And and basically and he was with you
and you were filming and what we did was it's
on YouTube intents. We kept flicking back to you and
you was doing experiments and stuff with this with this painting.
And and it wasn't a public event, was it.
Speaker 3: No, It was a charity event for which was the
British Lumnus ex Servicemen's Association.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: It was quite an interesting thing. It got quite a
lot of publicity really. It went out on twelve newspapers,
a couple of radio shows and it was quite quite
a good turnout, wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it was. We had nearly one hundred people listening,
didn't we.
Speaker 3: Do you remember that freaky thing that happened as well,
because it kind of took me back a little bit
because I was starting, I stood in front of the
painting and I was in this room on my own,
painting was behind me. The At that time I got
friend of mine, Steve Griffiths, which I talked about later. Yeah,
he had all the equipment there, all the cameras, and
every single camera went down. Remember that we had loads
and lot of problems went through. In the end, we
had to use laptops and two laptops went down. It
was on our on my last laptop, and I was painting.
We were holding on by and I was pointing the
laptop of me in the spare room, and because of
the light from the computer itself, you could see like
a shadow of me stood in front of the painting.
Remember that.
Speaker 5: I remember a lot of people in the in the
chat room was mentioning it.
Speaker 3: As well, and the shadow went down, but I didn't.
So that that was one thing that took me back
a little bit. I think did you say you experienced something.
Speaker 7: That the number of things definitely occurring somewhere was actually
with the place rather than the painting. But certainly we
did the experiment with hypnosis and regression to see that
it came up with that and the Acts two in
the room was very heavy, very heavy indeed during that
period of certainly I remember there's some trouble getting you
out of it before. After we carried out the experiment
and some information came through was coherent and sensible. It
certainly suggested a possible time framing period when the artist
was alive and those feelings may have gone into the painting.
As I put my Ferbis down for a second, it's
like a it's a way of dealing with an inner
trauma is to create things like a painting like that
called art therapy, where you're trying to express those emotions
through art. And it could be that the person who
painted it did indeed have very negative experiences during World
War two, was trying to express that in his art,
how he felt with him and that was a manifestation
of that.
Speaker 3: It was quite interesting at night because we went in aggression.
I remember coming out combining my eyes like that. Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah,
which is and one of the things that was weird
about it was. It was just I was I remember
being on this in this tunnel, and in front of
me there was a person and behind him there's lots
of other people as well, and the tunnel led out
to a parade ground and I could see this young
boy about eighteen. It was kind of kind of like
an a fetal position, and although I couldn't see he
was doing it, he was being kicked in and I
couldn't see he was doing it, but I knew I
was a next, and everybody else in the queue was next.
But to the right of me I saw very clearly too,
German soldiers. And they were like bigger than anybody else,
you know, they are like everybody else in the tunnel
was a different They were like giants, you know what.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 3: If they are a long term business because the concentration.
Speaker 7: Camp pretty more state and then be well fed and
looked after, so they was physically lar anyway.
Speaker 3: And that was strange because that was strange for him,
because where does an image in your mind come from?
You know, like that it's just a bit odder.
Speaker 7: Meal, is well, Like I spend the rest of the
show describing how I think it works. That's what we're
here for, but coffective unconscious that have talked about previously.
They're tapping into something there. But that picture of the
physical object creates a very strong link to that unconscious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now, before we go any further, the Viscount just
said that the image makes him think about someone who
has mental disorders and screaming from the inside but no
noise being heard from the outside, just saying Dave Lloyd
said it reminds him of the screen picture. Which, yeah,
now I agree with the Viscount because that's when it
looks to me, is so it's somebody who's trying out
for help but nobody's listening, if you understand me. Now,
just take us back again to Sean. Now he's asked
you if you want to do this by mistake, and
you've taken up the offer.
Speaker 3: Well, well, but he didn't ask me to do anything
to why Actually he just got more footage and excited
about it. And because of what he was writing you
and you can read in between the lands and lines,
I thought this guy has got something about him. Really,
I believe what he's saying, and I kind of put
an offer to him early and I said, look, why
don't we carry on with this and let's find out
more about the painting, because I don't believe you, and
especially afterwards, they'll all believe him. And I kind of
took it from there early and then what was born
was the Englishman of Its Bone.
Speaker 5: And you've been doing this for three years.
Speaker 3: Now, Well, yeah, I have been doing it for three years,
but it's kind of built up in the last twelve months.
It's been. It's been right. But the way it works anyway,
the reason why it's been the last twelve months is
because if I worked with it twice a month, he
is pretty active. If I work with him just on
some month, it still does quite a lot, but not
as much as he does twice a month. So the
more I work with him, the stronger the connect connection is.
I said to Sean a while ago, about a couple
of months ago, now, for about six months ago. Now,
I said, Sean, I'm getting a really strong, strong connection
with him now. And he said, John said, you will
do He says, when he was in the house, I
was getting a strong connection with him too, and he says,
that's why I filmed it in the first place.
Speaker 5: Right now, what's the story? Background? Behind the picture.
Speaker 3: The background behind the picture is the only thing we
knew at that time when I first made friends with
Sean and me we got together on it was that
his grandmother, she always knew that Sean had a morbid
fascination with the painting, and when she died she passed
it down to him. She hated it in life, she
hated it and it was left in the cellar hence
some of the damage you can see now and basically
old we knew then was that the artist painted it
in his own blood and when he finished it committed suicide.
This is, I suppose a legend behind it. This is
a legend because she knew a friend, sorry, who knew
the artist. You Since then, I've I've learned a lot
since then, a lot of things have come up to them.
Speaker 5: The Viscount said, it's not a bit rude when anyone
needs walk and living.
Speaker 6: It is a bit odd.
Speaker 3: Mother in law's coming around, Yeah, but I must have been.
Speaker 5: It is very enticing, you know. We had this, as
I say, in the last house we were in and
on the show, and I can't stop looking at it.
So this is a bit that gets me. It really
draws you in doesn't it You can feel it? Yeah,
it does.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: You just want to look at it, and I don't know,
it just rolls you in. You know, what do you think, Dave?
I feel a pressure around it. Yeah, that's something pushing
out here. I mean the moment you put it up,
I can feel they can't hear you.
Speaker 6: When they can, I can hear it.
Speaker 5: He said his own blood. Really that is the story.
And and also I felt it tonight. But Andy, you've
always said that around the mouth there's always.
Speaker 3: Some sort of absolutely.
Speaker 7: It reminds me of when if you open go to
your fridge, open your freezer door, there's no breeze, but
it feels a cold pat it's always around the bloody mouth.
Speaker 3: It's pretty strange. It's interesting to just say that.
Speaker 8: Actually, Actually, Andy, I've remember when you were at the cage.
You took a picture of it and you went and
there was and there was a strange thing on it
over his left shoulder.
Speaker 3: I've still got the picture on the phone.
Speaker 8: Actually, when we had it in the hard last time,
I actually felt I hate there.
Speaker 6: Left side.
Speaker 3: Interesting mm hmm.
Speaker 5: So and it over this time? What other feelings do
you get.
Speaker 9: From the well?
Speaker 3: I spent quite a bit of time with the picture
on my own at the cage, But I don't know,
it's hard to explain with it. It's kind of you
knew you weren't in the room on your own.
Speaker 7: There was definitely a feeling that something was there with you,
and the painting was sort of just to my left.
We spent a good half an hour on my own.
I didn't feel particularly uncomfortable with it, but then that's me.
It's just certainly where something very odd about it. It
is your eyes are drawn to it, certainly.
Speaker 8: John, can you tell us some of the things that
that you believed this painting and.
Speaker 3: He's responsible for. When you say responsible for, you mean
during the anglishman I have experiment. Yeah, okay, Well a
couple of things that's happened up to now is the
painting doesn't actually move right, okay. And that started happening
as soon as they gave him an easel because he needed,
you know, he was on the floor stop on that
and Sean didn't have an easel, and I thought, well
an easel really, yeah, And I put put an easel
and it was like all of a sudden, they give
him legs.
Speaker 6: It sounds mad.
Speaker 3: I know everyone probably out there and maybe your land
thinks I'm a nutter, and I do appreciate that. But
I've got with witnesses, and you're the first thing that
started to answer your questions at Chillingham Castle, the very
first first thing that really started. He didn't have an
easel then, and this is why I give him an easel, really,
I think was there's a room right at the top
of Chillingham Castle, and it's above so Hunt for his
living quarters. So it's the warmest room in the Catholic Castle.
We've never been to Chillingham before. It is absolute freedom.
And if this room is quite pleasant warm, it's probably
a little bit cooler than it is in this room now,
which is quite warm now, isn't it. And we put
the painting in the middle of the put on a chair,
I remember, rightly. And he's got a thing about the ladies,
to be honest with you, you know, like we all
know that ladies have got more energy than that. And
I put a lady at the front of the painting
and on the back, and then we formed the usual
energy building circle around the painting as well. There was
twenty four people there night and what actually happened was
what we didn't notice first of all was that outside
the circle near the wall was this quite heavy wooden bench.
It was like a about five foot long and lo
it was made out of focus, quite heavy. So I
started to ask questions, and there's one that kind of
still baffles me now really. And one of the things
that Sean's wife said about the painting was that it
was pure evil. She hated it because when she was
in bed she felt something struck him on the head.
The son said he was pushed downstairs because he felt
a hand push him downstairs. Whether that's true or not,
I don't know. Maybe he just slipped, you know. But
the interesting thing was was that as soon as it
went into his granddad's house, because you know, Sean doesn't
live in the house anymore. In his dad's house, he
moved him as mum and dad for a short while,
and the same night when he moved into his mom
and dad's house, his dad fell downstairs. Again. It could
be a coincidence at the end of the day, and anyway,
so and there's other things that happened as well. They
saw are like a mister here on the stairs and
different things. So anyway, I started asking questions at chilling
them and the bench lifted up. It lifted up about
well we couldn't see. It was pretty dark, will and
it was nobody near it at all. Everyone was holding hands.
The only Chillingham Castle staff who were out there was
three of them and they were they were no one
near the bench and it and it, and it sounded
like the way it banged down it must have been
at least off the ground. It was a really loud one.
And it banged down once because I said, am I
talking to the entity attached to the painting?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 3: It was very moret haunted, and it banged down for
once and then said okay, so can we can you
just showed me a responsor twice and it banged down twice,
but no Andy by this time, where everyone's going with
the banks? And then I said, I asked various questions,
was your subject of the painting? Or was he the artist?
And at the time I think I remember, I think
was the artist of the painting? And I then asked
the ultimate question, would you consider yourself to be pure evil?
And then all of a sudden, Kid, you not the
temperature in the movement so cold you could even see
you be It was that cold. Yeah, And all of
a sudden, this dark figure appeared in the middle of
the circle and there was at least six foot five.
Speaker 6: It was huge, and.
Speaker 3: It kind of floated over to this young girl called Abby,
Abby Horricks, and Abby was getting really scared at this point,
just imagined and and I kind of then said, well,
you know, I need to change yoursel little bit. So
I said, have you got a connection with me now,
because I've been working with people with for a while,
And then eventually lifted up and fanged out for once,
and then all of a sudden everyone saw this figure
going around the circle, came to the back of me,
and I could feel that he was trying to enter
inside my body. He was like a massive electric charge
through my body and I stopped. Stopped it at that point,
It's not coming in. It's and and then the audio
to think about the Englishman Live It's boment which worked
on that night, was there was two things I wanted
to find out more about the painting itself, which I
have done now found loads now. And the other thing
was what if you brought an entity from outside? What
if you brought the haunting from outside and brought it
in to a haunted castle or wherever. How would the
other spirits? Yet, it's an interesting interesting question, isn't it?
And on that night at night it really kicked off
because what actually happened is when I blocked it, you know,
it went that cold. It was like really really cold
when I blocked it. When I'm allowed him to come
in any further, the temperature started to come back into normal,
and he went, he was gone. Then everyone could feel there,
the strong oppressive feeling that was there that night.
Speaker 6: It just went.
Speaker 3: And then something else came in the room and everybody
could tell that it was something differently. There was twenty
four people there that night, and when we went down
for a break late later on, majority of them shaking
with that unnearthed by it. And and the temperature went
back to normal, and it as if something came into
the room that was really angry, that something was in
the space, and the bench was flipped upside down. And
that's where it all star arty really and since and
it's got weirder and weirder.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you've answered the Viscounts question. He was as he
was asking, in your opinion, do you believe the picture
attracts activity from whatever location it's at. You've answered that
question In that Dave Lloyd wants to know, like the
program the Haunted Collector, certain items can contain retain energy.
If the if the painting was done using some blood,
that would make it even stronger.
Speaker 3: Do you think, Yeah, I reckon. He's right as well.
And do you know what you know like you do
table tipping? Yeah, this is different. I know what someone's
going to say one day. Oh, it's just another thing
of table tipping. It isn't as intelligent. Yes, conversations with you.
Speaker 5: So we've got somebody on on the chat room now.
It looks like Michael H twelve. I'm sure it is
a female or male h. They've seen the painting many
times and it's and has seen it walk and face you, John,
and it's amazing. It's an amazing picture. So thank you
for joining us on the on the chat room.
Speaker 8: I'm giving you point, says well, I mean you can
is it the actual easel move the painting itself.
Speaker 3: The painting moves well both actually, but the painting in
the end when they asked him to move the easel,
he tries to twist the painting yourself. Yeah, and then
and then I say a lot, just use your legs
because you know I've given you the easel so you
can use his legs. Yeah, and then he starts to
pull the painting and pull the whole thing round. And
do you want me to say what happened last week?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Is that?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 7: Before you too, I've got I managed to put online
the photograph I when I was on my own, which
I shall now put the link and should hope you work. Yeah,
there we are, Okay. It looks a bit misty, and
it was more to do the fact it was a
bit dusty in the room. But what you're looking at
you'll see in the picture there's the picture on its
easel and a chair on the bottom right as you
face it, the thing above the chair which looks like
a gray, silvery semicircle, the darker inside.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that was. That wasn't there.
Speaker 7: I've got about a dozen photographs on my phone I
took and they all look roughly the same as this.
Slightly misty because it was a dusty But that semi
circle thing, whatever it is, it is a mystery to me.
Speaker 3: Do you do you remember the shadow that bent down?
I do at the sound story, same place.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the bit actually yeah, saying but that is
a mystery to me, what the hell that thing is.
I've got see if.
Speaker 7: I can find another one, upload another one that was
taken off in the same time to show the same
kind of thing that doesn't actually show that strange. I've
got some photographs in the same position that none of
them show that strange semicircle apart from that particular one.
Speaker 3: To try upload another one, but I lost pay.
Speaker 5: The bi count once to know. Have you you any
video footage yourself the image?
Speaker 3: Yes? Last week. However, a couple of weeks ago. First
of all, a good friend of mine, Steve, Steve Griffiths
at the time, because of the when he helped us
out on the cage, the cameras are all going down
and Steve says, do you know John, I said that
I don't think you like to be filmed. Yeah, And
I said, yeah, you're probably right. And I didn't film
it then because I thought, well, you know, I want
to try and get obt activities the camp and painting
and anyway, until last week, like the connection now with
the painting is so strong now. And last week, well
a few weeks, a few weeks ago now sorry, I
went to a place called the Red Line in Ponted
Fact and the reason why we went there we had
a small event and went on there at the time,
but we also bad Steve Rivers from Living with the
Dead and his team, you know to Rich is a
squaddling power noormal team. They have been approached by a
TV company to do a program about power ormal and
I think the name maybe they're not decided under name
yet because it's going to take a few months to
get it up, and I'm open to get on Living
TV and I think I think it's going to be
called Into the Light and it's about all aspects of
power normal. Steve asked me if I would work with
the painting on one of the shows, and that's why
they came to the Red Line in panted Fact and
we had a lot off camcorder and and the team
was there as well, two of them. Two of the
team were the most skeptic.
Speaker 6: People you can never have and I mean they nice,
don't get me.
Speaker 3: Wrong, but you know you've got to be a skep
skeptic at the end of the day, because you're on
the fence and make my decisions either way. And anyway,
the painting was I'm a stood to the side of
the painting, and you know, I've kind of discovered over
time that his name was David. So I said, David,
can you turn around and face me? Please? And on
that night I knew, and it sounds silly, I knew
he had to make a special effort, and he did,
and the painting turned around in front of everybody and
faced me. Not only did he do that, he did
he did a free sixty twice. And not only did
he do that, is the temperature on the outside of
the room was sixteen. I brought a couple of laser
thermometers that night. He pointed one at the painting and
I said, David, can you take the temperature down for
me please? And the temperature went down five self gradually.
And also you know what he was saying about the
what you can feel a cold breeze coming from his mouth.
And what actually happened is put Leanne, one of the
team of the swaddling coat team. I said, Leanne, can
you put your hand in front of his mouth please?
And she did punt to his face and she could
feel a cold breeze coming from from from that had
the paint painting. Really, if you put your hand behind it,
that's where a lot of the energy is. You can
feel the static electricity behind it. You can feel it
cooler behind there. And one thing that really freaked out
Leanne was that this green light was coming from the
painting itself. And I said to David said, can can
you take the green light to the to Leanne? Please
the lady in front of you now? And he did.
He took the green light and then it was it
wasn't just LeAnn who he took the green light, and
it stopped a couple of inches before a chest and
at that time one of the lands who was skeptic
in the team, he pushed away and said, don't let
it go, and it's closer to you because he was
getting a bit.
Speaker 6: Time and.
Speaker 3: Leanne was a bit concerned at that point. And all
that has been caught in the corner. So it'll be
part of the show on Living TV at some point
when he gets.
Speaker 5: Finished, because he's not actually cheerful.
Speaker 3: Chap is actually they know is I let people come
and believe what they want to believe when they come.
Speaker 5: I agree with the Viscount. It's like somebody wanting to
scream and they can't. It's like the silent scream, you
know what I mean, as if he's crying out for help.
Nobody can hear him. But you know, and like I said,
when it was painted, he killed himself afterwards.
Speaker 8: Yes, I mean to me, it reminds me of somebody
that's been set on fire. And that's But having said that,
he said that Missus believed it was pure evil.
Speaker 6: What do you believe?
Speaker 5: What do you believe?
Speaker 6: What do I believe?
Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I let people believe what they
want when they first come to the language and live experiment,
because if I told them what I believe, automatically got
something in the mind. But I think he's miss onderstood
to be honest with you. And do you want me
to tell you now I know or do you want
me to leave it after a break or after right?
Speaker 5: What we'll do is that we'll come back after issue. Yeah,
we're here at www dot KTPF dot co dot UK
as we are every Sunday, Me and Steve talking about
the paranormal cryptology and all sorts of things, and we
get some really good topics on and really weird ones.
I suppose it's the best word to work to explain,
because that's what we're all about. The paranormal can be
a weird thing, and the stories behind it can be
far out, and there's no exception for tonight that you
may think that this is far out as well, But
this is somebody's life. We're also thinking talking about somebody
that has been working with the painting that you see
in the window at the moment, and basically after three years,
the past twelve months has been more prominent between the
painting and John Black phones. What's the best word. I
can't think it's gone now the doctor put me up.
But you know when they're in each other's company, things happen.
You know they have got some sort of rapport together.
We're going to hear a bit more about this story,
and don't forget the legend, if you want to call
it that. Behind the story is that it was painted
by a man who basically painted the picture with his
own blood and was said to have killed himself afterwards.
So he must have been really really depressed, for want
of a better word, But we're here with John Blackburn
and Andy Mercer, because Andy Mercer has seen you can
say that again, Oh, has seen this firsthand, but not
the intensity of it that's been happening in the last
few months since you've had the right John, So and
you were you were going to tell us about something
that's happened between you and the painting. This it's before
you have with it and what's been happening. We know
about what's been happening on events and stuff like that,
and paintings now started to walk because I know it
may sound sill if you've just joined us, because it's
now got legs with the easel. But and you think
it's called David, I.
Speaker 3: Think it's mean the painter. Well, no, I think you know,
I'm not sure if it's a painter or when it's
the subject of the painting subject, But whoever haunts the painting,
he responds to, David might be a self port it anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 5: One curiosity. I might might be thinking. Actually, that just
came into my head. How many stories do you actually
hear of people being possessed for want of a better
work and their mentality of it and how it can
make people maybe go to the expense of killing themselves. Yeah,
how do we know that this isn't the picture of
his tormentor do you understand what I'm saying it was? Yeah? Yeah,
but this is something that just came into my head.
I'm wondering whether this is the painter's tormentor that hit
the way he sees it. And the only way he
could express this was to paint him. And because he
was so deluded not the right word, but so bogged
down by this person, you know that it had enough
and for right, I'm going to paint you to get
you out of my system. I'm going to use my
blood to get you out of my system. And maybe
seeing it.
Speaker 3: At the end of it, well that's practice for art therapy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe seeing it right at the end has made
him think, oh my god, and it's made him even
more crazier and he's killed himself. Do you understand saying possible?
Speaker 6: It's the stuff of horror film.
Speaker 5: It is the stuff of horror films, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 3: And actually the reverses would be required of art therapy.
Speaker 5: Besides, but if this guy really think yeah, but then again,
with art therapy, you're not constantly using.
Speaker 3: Your blood Oh no, no, you wouldn't.
Speaker 5: We're talking about a really intense horrory. This guy has
been tested for so many years, he's had enough. He
doesn't know how to get get away from it, how
to stop it, and he's just thought, right, I know
what I'm going to do. I'm going to get you
out of my system. I'm going to make myself bleed.
I'm going to paint you with my blood, yeah, and
put you on canvas. I'm going to get you out
of my body, one way or another. And he's come
along and he's painted it, and then once he's finished,
the intensity of what he's seeing, it's just made go
and killed himself.
Speaker 3: It's not not impossible, certainly, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So it's just something that just came.
Speaker 6: Into my head the right. I just put the realization
of what's going on inside.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is it. It took me long enough to
say that, but you know, but you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But you know what everybody who's out there listening now,
is one important thing about this, and they asked the question,
was one of the things that was important to me
is that I wouldn't do this if it wasn't happy
with it. Yeah, And I asked one night this was
a bunch of people again, said can you lift up
the right leg? Yes, and the left leg? And they
said this he said yes, So that can't kind of
why I pursued it more. And the thing is that
I've found out the things that I know. And there's
a weird connection as well. Is you know, like Andy
when we when he passed like progressing and I went
through that TSUNARMI off the great ground. I started to
find that information from the painting, and painting responded by
moving and that spent time in concentration, which is weird,
isn't it when when you look at the past life progression.
And I started to find this information relating back to
detention camps and confrontation camps. And Belson was one of
the ones that was brought out in and he responded
to that. I said to Sean and rang up Sean
and I said, Sean, I'm getting information from the painting
now and I said that he's spent time in bat
Sean mc quiet, yeah, And I said, what's up? I
need I need to check some something out and tokay,
they said, well, when my grandmother was alive, she had
two friends and they went off to war and came
back from the both like walking skeletons, and they both
spent time in Nelson. HM. The only problem is is
that Sean's grandma's dead.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: A few people who were in Belson are dead. Now,
you know that's a problem. I looked at these websites
on the internet, and the problem about Belston is when
the when the English army liberated Belson in April nineteen
forty five, the Germans actually destroyed all the records and
the British soldiers were We're that busy keeping them alive
and nobody to records. They're trying to get some records
together now. But and you know this, the stories of
British shoaled sort holders killed people be kind as well,
because you're given them to and not killed a few
of them. The the strange thing was as well, that's happened.
There's about some very very strange dreams. Yes, really strange.
You know.
Speaker 5: I was going to say to you where where this
LEDs you?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 5: The vicounts asking do you do you have have any
emotional connections with the picture of personal emotions personally? Yeah,
basically we've been talking about this and the main reason
why you're back on here, apart from saying what's happening
on your events and everything, you've been affected by this? Yes, yeah, So.
Speaker 3: For one thing, I get a bit upset sometimes when
I'm going to talk about the bels and side. I
think it's the strong connection. Yeah, I mean it's a
sad story and yes, yeah, And it was that Chester Mansion,
Chester Mansion, New vis Howley. Yeah, what I'll tell you
something that remind me to go back to what Chester Mansion?
And we took it to Chester Mansion and I was
asking questions of painting was really acted that night, moving around,
and I stood in front of the painting, and I said,
why don't you just get really close to me now
and tell me what you what you really wanted to
tell me the And I even said, do you want
me to help me track down? Yeah, you're surviving relatives
if I can do, and then moved in most quant yes.
So nothing happened on that time. It was two nights
after that I had the most weirdest dream I've ever
had in my life, absolutely weird and basically this is
a dream.
Speaker 6: What I am real?
Speaker 3: The dream was so real that I won't and my
wife and I'll read it to you anyway, And bear
in mind this is a dream, and be interested to
see what people in the jack line. Now, just have
a listen to this. Over a year, a certain hillside
was a representation of a German's body. Everyone knew as
children that certain parties of the hillside has been discovered,
which were the jack boots off the hillside. I was
being hunted down, and I knew if I hid in
the place of what was reputed as the hands of Hitler,
I would have a place to hide. But my pursuers
would know that too. So I hid in the well
known jack boots and new they would look at this
location of what was known as Hitler's hands, and I
booby trapped the location of the hands to capture Michael suits.
That isn't a normal dream, is it.
Speaker 10: No, it's not.
Speaker 6: No, it's not you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Well, in my opinion, yeah, right, try not to move
Mick around.
Speaker 3: What is everybody thinking the chat line?
Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think about that? In the chat room?
Quite a dream that what he's written down there jack
boots and the remnants of the body in the shape
of a heel. So you know, that's just weird, very interesting.
That's what we've just got back. Yeah, now you've other
stuff that happened to you as well. Apart from the dreaming,
there's been all this stuff going on in the house.
Speaker 3: I'm opens not listening to this, Okay, my wife suit because.
Speaker 5: He's not in the chat room. She's not signed into
the room.
Speaker 3: Basically, what happens is I want to put him on
the easel in the house because I know that's that
that's what he needs. But the problem is that soon
too scared to him, she accepts him in his box.
He's got his own like case box now with Stephen
griff very kindly made for him, and he's protected in there,
and it's got nice and it's got like a blanket
ad for ages that's around him, and it's quite well
looked through, it, isn't it. So Anyway, when when he's
in that, it's pretty dormant.
Speaker 6: Really, it's like.
Speaker 5: It's got some sort of protection.
Speaker 3: Yeah, However, things are starting.
Speaker 9: And it was.
Speaker 3: Only last week, about two weeks ago, we heard a
loud bang in the house and Sue said, Ben at
the time thought, m h, it didn't feel right. To me,
and I said, well it's probably not. Probably to somebody
making an eyes outside. Said so, anyway, we've got a
seventeen year old cat and she was asleeping on the
bed and her cattery is in the hallway, and you
can hear somebody scratching about in the catchy. So Sue says,
who's scratching about in the cartery? So she didn't twig
bless her and I said, oh, I don't know, it
must be something idea And the cat was fast asleep. Now,
three nights ago, I had a really bad sleep. I
had a really really strange dream again, and I dreamt
that the painting was in my dream, but the painting
it wasn't the painting in my dream. It was the
actual per We can't the painting it was in the dream.
And at that time there was a really loud knock
on the bedroom door. Now whether I was dreaming still,
but to me it was like it wont woke me up,
really sharpish like, and I was, I was, I was like,
you know when I was nice for we have a
really bad You could argue maybe it was in the dream,
maybe not in the dream, but it sounded damn real
to me. It was on the wooden door, which was
on the bed. Yeah, because first I thought somebody who
was outside. But the outside door is a new PVC one,
we've got got no knock on it, and it sounds
completely different. Sounded somebody knocking very hard.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 3: So that's what's happened recently, and it just gets weirder
and weirder. But the problem I have is is that
I need to work with him more.
Speaker 6: So I'm.
Speaker 5: Well, going back to your what's name it says the
Viking says, it's very specific though the dreams are more
like memory recal yah, yeah, yeah, see, I I do think,
to be honest with you, going back to my explanation
of what I think that, well, I think the painting
became as it is. I do think that part being
part of the person in the painting, the blood is
what's given it the you know what I mean that
I do believe that that it's the person is even
though that's probably his tormentor if it's haunted. I'm not
saying it isn't, but if it is haunted, then it's
got to be by the person who painted it, you
know what I mean. So, and like you say, the
memory recalls and the stuff you're getting at a raw
parcel to this David, who I'm assuming is the it
is the painter. Yeah, all part of his family history.
Speaker 9: What do you think?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you could be right there.
Speaker 8: But I just want to say that ghost rider who's
not in the chat room because he's on somebody else's Internet,
that he is messed up about. But I put the
I put the picture up on Facebook. Uh, and and
he said, yeah, he's looking at the picture and it's changing.
Can't explain it that the features seemed to be changing,
and saying that has anybody else noticed it?
Speaker 7: Yes, I'll be honest with you. It is the wating
low quality of the band, which gives the question that
the picture looked as if it was actually changing. But
I think it's just pixelation.
Speaker 6: Actually, you want to said, take take me back.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had this guy who came on the on that
particular event. Okay, what's just the mansion and it was
the other arm. Yeah, what we've done, semi professional boom boxer.
And he said, and he was really skeptic. Skeptic And
what what I do is on the Englishman Live experiment,
as I give one a raffle ticket. I don't tell
him what the prize is. All that to the suspense. Yeah,
and anyway, so I am, I give up on a
raffle ticket and then draw the raffles tickets and base
Basically whoever's got a raffle ticket is around about six
of them, and they all get a chance to spend
ten minutes with the Englishman in the cellar of Winchester
mansion in one of the little rooms off the seller. Yeah,
and one of the rooms off off the seller, which
I'll come back to in a minute. We put it
in this room which is one opposite stairs. Did you
good ansell? And you know the one who was skeptic,
the boxer with the broken arm, he won it, which
I should have brought the email with me actually put
anyway in the mond. I should have sent the email
sent sent.
Speaker 9: To us.
Speaker 3: And basically what happened. He said to me when I
took him down there on his own and said what
they would do? I said, well, the best thing to
just talk to him because he likes to be spoken to.
He said, right, okay. So there was like a little
window in in in his room in the cellar, and
the moonlight was coming in and it was just all
over the face of the painting, and he was talking
to it and he said, I could see the mouth moving.
He said, there was no no noise, it was just
a mouth moving. And he says to him, he thought
to himself, it must be the darkness. He turned the
talk talch on and the mouth was still moving. So
he was absolutely gob smart. His wife sent me an
email as well, saying thank you for converting me your
husband who was a complete skep skeptic and even sent
me an email himself. I can send them to you
one day. Yeah, well, I'll blank of his email.
Speaker 5: The biscount said, what history do you know about the image?
If any?
Speaker 3: The only one, Well, the only history that we knew
was what we said, really where it's come from, it's
come from, the rest of it. I've kind of found
out all the time. Someone's not not not not asked
the obvious chef regards to paint analyze whether it is
blood or not. Basically, sean painting was filmed on a
Japanese TV program He's getting a bit of a name
for yourself now, And they took a sample of it,
but they never give give shown the sample for some reason.
And I don't know whether Sean, you know, requested it.
I have no idea, but but you never got the
sample back, so we don't know. Still Sean's painting him
to chip fits off it and stuff. That's that's that's
what for him at the end of the day, you know.
But he is getting quite global interest. It was on
American t TV William Shaknher from Star Trek. He did
a program called Weird or What, And it was on
that program. Japan got involved again three months ago. I'm
I met a lady who flew over from Japan and
she filmed the paintings over night. She had she booked
two rooms in a hotel. I shown her on the
TV program how to do Verius experiments and stuff, and
I said to what you really want to do? And said,
you really want to spend the night in the room
on your own? And and she wouldn't. She just wanted
to fill film it really And when when it came
back the next day, I said, did anything happened? Did
we put a pendulum Monday to paint paintings? See if
that move? We put pieces of paper under the easel
and put like penal nights around it a two different things.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Anyway, nothing none of those happened. But what she was
rather disturbed by was like in the middle of the
edge a large screen and this is in a little
village of this this this hotel rooms in a little
village and it was like about after in the morning,
so they're quietly but least nothing goes on there really
and as and as she said, it could have been
outside and did it sound she said, no, it sounded
like it was next door. But that that went on
Japanese TV on the teen from me, Russians are showing
an interest they want to.
Speaker 6: And now long last Steve Steve ricks on the team
and filming for England.
Speaker 5: Well, the viscounster said he's got a large screen mode
and the image around the mouth looks like it's changing,
although it could be the broadband connection.
Speaker 8: And also got back he's looking at the one on Facebook,
the picture actually I put up on Facebook and he's
seeing it there.
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, So so Andy, what's your take on
this Englishman device of reasons advice like that every week
we get this man come on saying that most of
my guests that come on and talking a load of bowl.
I quote Toddle that if.
Speaker 6: I'd say that actually a bit further down than even
darker path.
Speaker 7: And this is the idea of the thought thought creation,
where you put your energies and thoughts into a particular
objects and try to energize it to become something on
its own. So the idea could be that the guy
got so wrapped up in these thoughtful things whilst painting it.
The painting itself has a life of its own, is
not possessed by anybody. It is the painting itself that's
actually alive, it's actually creating these effects. It's it's got
his own energy. It exists in a sense independently of
the painter, the thoughtful energy. It's something you sometimes find
as an explanation of some of the dark entities at
locations that's been deliberately generated, nastiness and mayhem.
Speaker 3: That maybe that's what the painting is. Do you know what?
There's something interesting you're saying about that as well, because
in the in the bike, you see on the if
you look at the painting, now, if you look at.
Speaker 6: On the top on your top left, yeah, does a
skull underneath that you're seeing that.
Speaker 7: You can just make it out from here as well
and see eye sockets the ridges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's it. And Steve Griffiths originally this
was this is when he first got involved. He he
tested the temperature of all the paint painting. This was
that was there. I know it wasn't someone else, but anyway,
and it was colder than anywhere else and it'd been
in the same room for quite some time, so it
would have took on the ambug temperature of that boom.
Speaker 6: So what he decided to.
Speaker 3: Do, I thought, well, fought himself, well, maybe is a
foreign and eat sauce from that side on the painting.
So he turned it round to eliminate that. And guess
what stayed on the same side. The other thing as
well is on that shoulder. Don't know Steve did it.
I'm big on the the chechy side of it. On
that side of the shoulder. There's a devil on that
side of the shoulder. You just about to see it. There,
there's an angel and these are things that's painting.
Speaker 7: I just put up the link actually from your site
that shows the area of the skull.
Speaker 6: I said, has the picture itself ever moved or fallow?
Speaker 9: Face down.
Speaker 3: It has on one of the videos. That's Sean Talk.
Speaker 5: Okay and Ace Paradox, welcome to the show. I said
last night I was using new live e v P equipment,
which all present seven people believed we heard voices. It
would be interesting to use this equipment with the painting.
The male voice was from technology, right.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, actually I watch.
Speaker 5: His name again, Paradox.
Speaker 9: If you want to find it one face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what it is on the you probably see on
the image on the video that if it's the same one,
there's a lot of e v P on that. So yeah,
that'd be interesting. Yeah, that would be interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So I think it's like it says hard but as
I say, it's it's a it's an image. And you
need to ask Sean whether that's possible.
Speaker 9: For my son.
Speaker 6: Going on? No, and I need to say some something
to some guys like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, there's two paintings on the internet that are copies.
One's been sold on eBay for one hundred and fifty
five quid, right, and it's absolutely ridiculous. It's nothing like that.
He's got bands, right, and.
Speaker 7: Then there's another one, doesn't it You just just foind
it it's someone a deviant art site that's in Spanish.
It's like, it's clearly seen the original picture that kind
of based around that, but it's much more soft focus,
shall we say, it's a lot more basic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite nice.
Speaker 7: But she said, I'm trying to translate the forum post
because it's actually in Spanish, and she's something about some
inspiration someone, so she obviously she's seen the pictures of
the inspiration scared.
Speaker 5: Well, what we're going to do. We have a quick shot, right,
so then we're going to come back and talk about
what you're thinking about doing.
Speaker 3: Is quite exciting.
Speaker 5: So we'll see you after these words.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, welcome back to the show. Just to let you know.
We're here with Steve who was over there and in
the corners, live here in the Hub for a chain.
And our guest tonight is John Blackburn, who's from Mysterious Paranormal.
We've been talking about this picture that sat in my
windows on my window still at the moment.
Speaker 9: It's addicted to the English, addicted to it, and.
Speaker 5: It's becoming part of your life, isn't it.
Speaker 3: And the problem with GOT is, to be honest with you,
you can't stop. I can't stop because it's getting better
and better and better. Okay, it's you know, it's I
think it's one of these things that needs to be
It needs to be worked. Yes, it loves to be worked.
But I'm saying that, you know, everything that do with
him has been done with total respect. And one of
the things that I say to people is when you
do a long visual with him, under no circumstances to
this where you've had language or anything like that, because
he is he knows exactly what they're saying. Respect and
we both have that respect for each other.
Speaker 5: Now, just before you go on to saying what you're
actually going to be thinking about, doing with him or
doing with him. One thing that hasn't been mentioned is
you've not just taken this painting to haunted venues, have you.
You've taken it to unhaunted venues that you know of
that have no inkling of any spiritual activity until the
painting walked into.
Speaker 3: I took it to a place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you've managed to get activity from unhaunted venues.
Speaker 3: Yes, so well, it's not only that. I mean he
does take over sometimes, to be honest.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 3: You can feel it in the room the store, in
this room like before, it's a show, isn't it.
Speaker 5: And then you walk in and you can Yeah, we
have the door shop for quite some time, for a
good half hour before we came and and basically I
walked in the room and it was as if there
was this and it's invisible. So you know, when you
feel as though you're walking through I don't know, sticky
stuff and it's like this sort of thing.
Speaker 6: It wasn't really bad walking through syrup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, walking through syrup, that sort of thing. So I
know you say that he needs to be worked, but
do you know that it is not? Sorry, but do
you know that it is that it's not negative and
feeding off everyone and growing stronger.
Speaker 3: I know, and.
Speaker 5: That's what that's why.
Speaker 9: So what are you on this?
Speaker 5: Tell us what you're planning on doing with this?
Speaker 3: Okay, what I'm planning doing is I have to work
with him at least twice a month. Okay, I can't
just do it because you know, the Mysterious panel events
is just me to be and and then I bring
in people were trust to work to work with me
when I need to work with somebody. And basically what
I'm doing is is, you know, if I can't badge
of people to death with the Englishman Live exponment all
the time on Mysterio, and that's what I'm doing. I
do recognize that, and what I need to do is
to take it. I need to take it further a field.
So what I'm proposing really is I'm going to start
approaching charities see if they want to take part in
the Englishman Live experiment. I'm going to approach word with
Andy before and we're going to coach colleges where they
do part psycho ecology and we'll do myself and Andy,
if you're interested, absolutely, We'll be doing a lecture about
the power normal and then also bring in the english
manline experiment and let the students experience firsthand and you
can use equipment and stuff like this, and maybe we
can learn more of that that way. Painting itself and
also these this is two groups out there very interested.
You can hire me and the Englishman live experiment and
we'll give people up a couple of people a chance
to actually see what they can come up with. Really,
and that's the way forward I can see, to be
honest with you, because I can't badge people today. No,
I'm just on mysterious beause it wouldn't work at the
end of the day. People want different experts experiences.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so if you've got a venue out there that
you're doing, I must admit. John said to me for
next year, I want to ah book him to come
on one of my events. There's an event that he
goes to that I've not been to for quite some
while and I was thinking about booking it again. Anyway,
he was saying that, you know, I can hire him
and the painting to come and join us for the
evening and and uh, basically you're willing to do that?
Are you travel all around the country? Well, you can
take your traveling. Let me say, hi, you talking about
your expenses.
Speaker 3: Expenses mainly be and I mean it hasn't gone to
be expensive, to be honest with you, it's not anybody.
The only thing that that is it has got to be.
It's got to be done right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it will be. It will be an event
really where where the Englishman is concerned.
Speaker 3: You will take control. Yeah. Well, let me put this
this way. They put it to you because I know
what people may be thinking out there is I'll take
control of all things. I won't do a thing as well,
is that I'm not into poaching other people's guest. I
don't do that sort of sort of thing for when
I get a bad name for yourself anyway. But what
the only way it will work is you do it
as a two part. You do an investigation on the
building you in, which will be conducted by yourself, and
then I'll do the Englishman. Yeah, only because it's a
bit that I need to do. For one, the painting's
got to be looked after. For another, I've got the connection.
Speaker 1: With it.
Speaker 5: And what seeing experience, what the painting experience.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you can't guarantee it's going to be
more active than than other nights. But you know what,
the more work with him, the more active gets right.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, you know I said to you, somebody might
be interesting.
Speaker 6: That's fine.
Speaker 5: So that's what I was laughing at.
Speaker 3: I'm not bigging myself up hoping this because I don't
do that, you know. But I'm well, I feel I'm
a true professional at the end of the day. You know,
I work hard doing what I do, and I treat
everything with respect as I do the guest as well,
the guests.
Speaker 6: Suspect as well.
Speaker 5: So this is a new adventure for you.
Speaker 3: A new venture for me really, but it needs to
go that way. I can't see any way doing it.
Speaker 5: You are that connected to it. I am sort of
become a bug under your skin, is there?
Speaker 11: But how.
Speaker 5: How do you think it's going to go? You don't
think it's going to harm you in any way or
you know, or do you think that the end of
it will be I'm going all in all theatrical now,
but you don't suppose that the end will come where
it will just all all of a sudden versus flames
or something.
Speaker 9: Like horror film.
Speaker 3: We'll find John laying in the room one day, his
mouth just wide open and blank eyes staring out.
Speaker 9: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: You're going there and think it's done its purpose, you
know what.
Speaker 7: I mean, all of a sudden it's oh, it's probably
Actually it doesn't look nice looking face to face, but
the version you see online with the pixilation of the
load of bull Bank looks far more sinister.
Speaker 3: It really does.
Speaker 5: I must admit when you're sitting in the dark, because
I have done this. Guys, I definitely have done this,
and so is Steve. It is daunting. It didn't do
nothing for us, I must.
Speaker 3: We did it.
Speaker 6: We did it at drake Clow Tunnels and John will
tell you drake Clow is very very dark.
Speaker 5: But we could still see. Yeah, we put an all
on the picture, did ye hmm. You can see that
on YouTube as well, so the with it, yes, But
as I say, we didn't feel nothing at the time.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 6: It was a bit daunting there. I felt I felt
there was somebody standing at the tunnel watching. Yeah, but
nothing but nothing.
Speaker 3: Do you know why it didn't work you? Well, because
you did it wrong as well. I'm not being moved
all right, Okay, Well, basically what what what what we've
got to do is.
Speaker 5: Is that.
Speaker 3: Well what I always do is I do energy building session.
First of all, that's important portant which is Christian wasn't
there supervisor, to be honest, it was just a.
Speaker 5: Case of so there you go, there's a picture sit down.
Speaker 3: And that was well do you know.
Speaker 5: You will see Yeah, because I'm coming to one where
you know, I'm definitely we're definitely going to go to
one of these.
Speaker 3: Aren't stays think about him as well? I think he
needs the right floor as well. Yes, basically, if you
put him on a carpet, it hasn't It needs to
be on a half floor like floorboards, you know, stuff
like that. On a carpet, it stops stopped like moving.
Speaker 5: Yeah, are you doing it? Chase?
Speaker 3: No, it's all about can Chase. But it's it's all
about the four crosses.
Speaker 8: Yeah, j WS goes right. It just said he doesn't
know why, but the same thing happen last time. It
gives him a headache.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, headaches in here now actually, and.
Speaker 6: He's wondering whether hey call in Robert's room. Allow it
might do, and they're completely expenses they.
Speaker 5: Can, so.
Speaker 3: It's kind of I suppose really it's kind of me
going out there as a as a double a really yes, yes,
not as mysterious, but as a Blackburn and the english
Man David did just David and John.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but but it does sound interesting for other paranormal
groups to be able to do that, and by the
looks of it, the Viscounts already itching for me to
finish the show.
Speaker 6: Yes, the looks of it, it would like you for February.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so as I say it's it's you'll be interesting,
is it? Then, Stephen, you'd be interested in something like
this at Craig and Oss Castle. But I must admit
it's it's pulled it in though, hasn't it if you
think about it. You've had it for three years and
every time you do an Englishman experiment event.
Speaker 9: People.
Speaker 8: One second, please, because everybody just stopped for a second.
Did anybody hear a phone?
Speaker 9: No? No, I'm looking on it. I've got nothing on you.
It's just your phone. Yeah, I just heard a phone
ring through the headphones. Did anybody else on the show
hear a phone ring?
Speaker 12: It looks like you.
Speaker 9: Did you ring the phone?
Speaker 6: Talk to me?
Speaker 9: It was like a normal phone ringing sound. I heard
it ring.
Speaker 6: Twice in the chat room.
Speaker 5: Hear that? So no, it's come to it. Yeah, so
that mind. So I thought it was in the hub
a now there's definitely no phone going off in here.
Steven thought it was in the harb David, did you
hear it? Ace Paradox? Did you hear anything?
Speaker 6: I want everybody else let us know if you heard it?
Speaker 5: Did you really hear it? By can so like ring twice?
Speaker 2: What they've said, but something I'm trying to be funny
but got back when it has got a bit cold,
and ghost writers just said yes, he heard it.
Speaker 5: I said, he's been hearing sounds.
Speaker 6: Can I make a suggestion?
Speaker 5: I can't said he's been here. It's get it's getting
strange feedback when we're talking.
Speaker 3: Can I make a suggestion to everybody out there? Guys?
I know you won't see us, but can we turn
the lights? Yeah and close it all? Yeah we're gonna
we're going to go dark. Oh well yeah, that's a problem. Yeah,
it's got a problem.
Speaker 5: I can't said.
Speaker 3: Do a thing for everyone to do who's listening, guys, Yeah,
is to look at the direction of the painting.
Speaker 5: Really well, we've really gone we've really gone dark. You've
just seen me, just Steve on the actual show. We
can you can you see it? We can save me.
I can't see John, we can't see the picture. You
can see my screen and you can see Steve. So
do you want it a bit darker?
Speaker 3: If possible. I don't know whether it's it's possible or
not yet.
Speaker 5: Well, only he can see now dark as.
Speaker 3: Because you you'll find it's like anything in the power normal.
As soon as you turn the torch on it, it
kills the energy that you're trying to work with. So
we've got everything down now, okay, and then my my
MIC's as well, so just as an experiment. Really, what
I'm going to do isn't to talk to David. Okay,
That's why I'm moving.
Speaker 6: My it's.
Speaker 9: Yeah, phone again, okay, yeah, phone again.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 3: Now, then guys, the thing is that I can feel.
The thing I can feel at the moment is that
the energy is changing in here. Can you feel that.
I'm not trying to put words to people's mouth. Okay,
let's just talk to David then that's okay, Okay, David
can just come forward please and just join me now
and start to communicate and work with me now we
have done in the past. Okay, if you if you
look at his mouth now, just keep watching his mouth. David,
can you come forward please and start to work with
me now and just start to talk with me if
you can. I know you've not got the easel tonight.
But I'm going to ask Suzanne. I don't want to
touch it yourself, Suzan, Okay, if you can put your
hand just on the side of the painting for me,
so so that is just now on the side of
it there, but just so it's a very very soft touch. Okay,
I'm going to ask Steve. Steve if you couldn't I
know you can't see anything on the screen, if you
can just took your hand right, just just it's got
to be the such a softest touch, because what you're
doing now is that you're giving him energy now. Okay, Okay, David,
can you come forward please and start to talk to
me and communicate with me now, please, David, if you
will look at his face guys as well, Okay, Okay, David,
come forward and talk to me. I'm going to ask
you some questions that you're familiar with. First of all,
just to get you going a little bit. Guys out
there who are listening out there now, is this is
a time where you need to be listening now because
I'm asking questions and hopefully it's a good chance of
be VP.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, David, I'm going to ask you some questions that
you're familiar with that we talk about quite often, and
I'll just build up a little bit from there.
Speaker 6: Is that okay with you? Okay?
Speaker 3: Nownineteen forties, David, take yourself back to the nineteen parties, please,
the nineteen forties, the nineteen forties, take yourself yourself back
to that time. Are you starting to feel anything yet new?
Speaker 9: Two days?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 3: We get that quite often as well. Actually, okay, David,
let's just get these questions going now. Okay, nineteen forties,
does Belson mean anything to detention? Belson? Belson? Detention? Can
so you feel that? So? So you're starting to feel
vibration from the painting? Now, okay, David, come forward join me. Now,
come forward and join me. Now, come on and join me.
Come on, David, come forward, Come forward, David. Just take
my energy and come forward to me. Now, come forward
to me. Now watch his face. Guys, come forward to
me now, David, come forward to me. Now join me. Now,
lower the temperature over the door. Bring yourself forward, bring
yourself through, Come and join me. Now turn the painting
for me. David, turned to it. You feel that the
cold is coming off it? Now, come on, David, turn
the painting for me.
Speaker 6: Now that's it.
Speaker 3: I can feel the energy starting to David. Nineteen forties, Belson?
Does that mean anything to you? Nineteen forties? And Belson?
Come on, now, bring yourself forward. Do you remember Sean?
Remember the name Sean?
Speaker 6: David?
Speaker 3: Remember the two people who went to Belson? That Sean's
grandmother k you? Do you feel that energy?
Speaker 5: Know?
Speaker 3: David? Can you remember that? So what you're saying now
Stevie's mouse moving? Okay, okay, David can remember that Belson?
Nineteen forty two people went to Belson who knew Sean's grandmother.
When they came back, they were thinn they had lost weight.
Was you one of those two people, David? Move the painting.
If that's the case, Move the painting from me, David,
was you one of those two people? Bring it this way,
this direction towards me. Now bring it this way, this
direction towards me. I can hold your hands, pleasing, bring
it this way towards me. Now, come on, David. It
needs more energy than this, you know. But I mean
there's only us, there's only there's only two yourself, Suzanne
and Steve touching the side of the painting. It's just
a gentle touch, isn't it. Come on, David, that's it.
That's the idea of teaching. Come on, David, bring yourself forward,
bring yourself through and making that connection. Now you've got
me in the middle of the connection. Now, David, join me.
Now turn round and face me. Turn around and face me, David,
as you've done before. Please turn around and face me.
I know you're facing me, but I want you to
turn the left hand side of the painting towards me.
Speaker 9: David.
Speaker 3: I know you've not got you easel. There's no room
in here, but you can pull the painting around to
me and we can talk a little bit more. What
are you figuring in now? You can feel the vibration
they're starting to build up.
Speaker 9: Uh and here are you busy?
Speaker 3: I am here? I also noted as an odd smell
of burning that's coming into the room that wasn't here before. Yeah,
pain in your arm okay, so you want me to
turn the light back on again? Do you want to
carry us on? I'm keeping on the show, the screen
slap and running. Everything's fine, so okay, okay, David, join me. Now,
just make a conscious effort for me now to bring
yourself through and make yourself come through stronger. I know
it is only was four now here, but you've got
me in the link. Just bring yourself through stronger, please, David,
bring yourself through stronger. Come on, turn around the face,
turn around the faceboo. Please just try for these people.
There's people listening to you now. You want to communicate
with you? Now?
Speaker 6: Can you talk to people? Can you talk to people?
You meet?
Speaker 3: Yourself? Heard say about David. I'll ask your questions. I
ask your questions. I'll leave a space in between so
you can answer. Try and answer through the electronic equipment
that's here.
Speaker 7: The guys are hearing something actually work out, saying that
there's a strange feedback noise, again and again it's very
loud and again.
Speaker 6: Okay, David, you aady, You can start to talk from me?
Is David your real name? David as saying as an
electronic type voice sounds.
Speaker 3: To what he heard last night? Is it your your
real name? David? Is that your real name?
Speaker 6: There's one thing I need to know, Davids you pull
Polish Jewish, Polish Jewish David.
Speaker 3: The other thing as well is does Belson mean anything
to you? Just answer me now? Please? Okay. What I'll
do David as well is if you can, if you
do me a favor, please, I'm ask Susanne to put
her hand in front of your face, not touching the painting,
just about six inches away, six inches.
Speaker 9: Away from me.
Speaker 3: A little bit more there, a bit more away, okay, David,
Can you start to breathe on the hand now?
Speaker 6: Writing on whose voice? Do you hear the feedback from.
Speaker 3: Do you believed?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 5: That's so real?
Speaker 3: Can you feel that? Thank Thank you, David, I really
appreciate it. Are you breathing on hand now? Can you
do a little bit stronger for me? And you make
the temperature go down in the room for me? Make
it colder, nous, you can't see some of the screen
guys with my hand. Make it colder, clearly feeling a reaction.
Make it cold upon me? Bye, bite your fingers.
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I'm joking.
Speaker 3: I'm joking. David, okay, make it go cold upon me.
Come on, there a little cold upon me, David. Please?
Do you feel that it's interesting? Yeah? Okay, David. Did
you see the lights then on the face?
Speaker 6: Did not see?
Speaker 3: David? Can you show the lights on your face again? Please,
so everybody can see. Can you show the lights on
your face so everybody can see? Come on, David, do
that for me. You know, I totally respect you. You
know we've got this friendship going on. Just start to
bring the lights on the face for anyone else here.
He knows is the part from they Can you see
it on his forehead there there's like a whispery light. Yeah,
can you see that? Okay, David, come a little stronger
for me. Bring yourself out. Come, bring yourself out of
the painting in this room for me. No ghost, there's
no one in the room part from us. Come on, David,
bring yourself. Thanks, Come bring yourself out a little further,
bring yourself out on the painting for me. David, Come on,
beave on Suzanne's hand, thank you. Let me just put
the microphone to you.
Speaker 5: You really is braving. It's as if somebody's standing in
front of me and I've got a person that's alive
and you can actually feel if you can hear that,
that's me.
Speaker 3: Fingers. Guys, there's only four of us, okay. Can you
imagine if there was twenty of us? Fifteen of us
may maybe mm hmm yeah, h bet go back to show,
aren't me?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 3: David?
Speaker 6: Enjoy it, don't worry and appreciate that. Thank you very much.
Speaker 9: Like to get back on, hold on, I need to
get this way.
Speaker 3: Back on.
Speaker 5: Old done.
Speaker 7: It's old smell like a burning metal kind of smell.
Speaker 8: Your phone, okay, and you you actually you actually heard
you heard you heard the bell, but you haven't got
your head your sound that was coming from.
Speaker 13: You so soundly distant, the ring as if it was
real in the room, outside of the room actually felt.
Speaker 9: I could feel the breath on my hands, right.
Speaker 5: But when I moved my hand away so his mouth,
if that was his mouth, my hand was sort.
Speaker 1: Of like that far.
Speaker 5: You can see that on the show.
Speaker 9: He can there's a big lag at the moment, is right.
Speaker 5: Well, it was as if I could see that far
from his mouth, so close, but that far from his mouth.
There was nothing here from the painting, but I could
feel the breast on my fingertips.
Speaker 6: There is a bit of the painting is darker, dark,
wrong thread than it was before. So stuff from from
ghost Rider is obviously he's listening, but it's not in chatter.
Speaker 9: It's on something Internet.
Speaker 3: He's on the chatter now actually coming?
Speaker 9: Is he coming now?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's put on the Facebook and he's been hearing
the moan as well. Uh is here the moan and
the phone and got shivers, asking if anybody's getting temp dropped.
Speaker 5: Well, he just says temp has dropped and seeing cobblet effect.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and by count.
Speaker 5: But that last noise was loud that time a paradox
heard it again and again, and the.
Speaker 8: Last phone ring was was loud enough and you actually
heard it the first time. I actually heard it from
the head phone.
Speaker 6: I didn't hear the It was distant, but definitely like
an old fashioned bell ring of the phone.
Speaker 8: Go get a dictaphone out. We've we've had a dictaphone.
We called him for the last two hours.
Speaker 5: Wondering when it flashes something.
Speaker 3: Because there was a flashing lights. It's still running.
Speaker 9: And it will hold it. That's a gig that would
be interesting to listen.
Speaker 7: Did anybody else who was actually in the chat room
or listen to the show hear anything that they can
come in and talk about signing. If you have to
sign up, just type onto the chat book that section
so we know if you heard anything.
Speaker 9: Yes, there you go. We seem to have seen to
have had paranormal activity here live on the show.
Speaker 5: So just just to reiterate some of the things that
have been said. I thought it was in the hub,
which was an original one. But he said, but strange
feedback when you're talking a paradox, said I have heard
been hearing sounds. I asked if I can't whether he
heard it, and he suggests I said, oh my god,
that looks freaky. When we obviously turned the lights out
before everything else, he likes, I don't know nobody's mentioned
about lights at the moment. I hear electronic and hear
electronic type voice was what I said, similar to what
you had last night. If I can't said that, that
strange me back.
Speaker 6: Again, and he's just said, there's no feedback now.
Speaker 5: No, oh my god, that was very loud. And again
it's gone quiet. It's not doing it anymore, said again,
I heard it again. Last noise was loud tempertures dropped
by can He then heard it again, Why can't go
side and said he heard it again vic sense, So
there is no feedback noise now it's all strange an account.
The paradox said, what would happen with live e v
P equipment present? They never saw any lights?
Speaker 9: Well, hopefully all these noises have been picked up on.
Speaker 5: The Yeah, hopefully, and we know that even though we've
got phones around the hills, they aren't connected.
Speaker 9: To each other. So with noise and no, it's not
anyway you know.
Speaker 5: But no, that was quite interesting, very interesting.
Speaker 6: What I find interesting to me on the phone ringing and.
Speaker 8: Gives give credibility to the fact that it wasn't coming
from next door or anywhere else.
Speaker 9: It is the first one our visit has heard it.
I heard it on the headphone, but nobody heard it
in the room listeners. I heard it on the headphone
because obviously.
Speaker 6: Listening to a neighbor's house, you heard it before.
Speaker 3: You, but it was you.
Speaker 9: You'd have heard it in here the first time, and
he didn't. But it was very loud.
Speaker 5: A second John just said keep ky to near near
the painting.
Speaker 6: But actually the K two meter I do start to
use it with him.
Speaker 5: Now, I thought it might do with a selectrical equipment.
Nobody put it next door to it. Just see what happens,
See what happens equipment the room. Yeah, that's what you got.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 6: But we have used it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this is it.
Speaker 9: This is it.
Speaker 5: This is what you've got to think about. That's the
same thing. So we didn't have that with us when
we do. Yeah, so that's the shame. You should have
thought about that earlier. Heard someone else speak now, voice
said John, when did you hear that?
Speaker 3: It's just your job?
Speaker 5: I think it might be.
Speaker 9: And he's talking, actually speaking. It was talking about where
we were doing, letting people know what was on.
Speaker 5: Yeah. But but as I say, that's that's just here,
like you say, with us, just not enough energy. But
can you imagine it if you've got twenty four people,
three groups about or something in a in a building,
you know what I mean at your venue?
Speaker 3: I mean the way the way to work it really,
like I said, is you know, like you split your
teams into two. You do investigations in the building. Do
the Englishman live it's aperment? Do you swap over? Yeah?
Two team teams over and you make a really interesting.
Speaker 5: Did anyone else here I was hearing just before John spoke,
as I say, it's it's definitely weird. I can't get over.
In fact, I just show people here that when I
moved my hand over in case you can see, I
didn't see my hands over his fade. Oh god, I
can still feel it. You can still feel the draft
from his mouth, which you always said about, amn't you Andy, Absolutely,
But when I moved my fingers away to side of
his mouth, but it's still in the opening, you can
still you can still feel the slight breeze, not as
much as it was when John asked him to breathe
on my fingers. It literally while I didn't hear it,
but it actually if I can show you how how
it would have sounded if if I'd heard it like that.
Speaker 3: So you know, that turned me on a different show.
Speaker 9: All of a sudden, there's that noise.
Speaker 5: It's me breathing.
Speaker 9: No, no, they haven't got it yet, right, so we're
hearing you breathe now? Oh yeah, yeah. Delay. Actually having
said that, the delay on this has changed.
Speaker 3: At least I was thinking that myself is to get
longer and longer.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we went from the original three. Yeah, they went
to twelve. Interesting and then there.
Speaker 3: Was a glitch.
Speaker 7: Interesting in the Senate they were getting the feedback. Noise
was when you put your hand.
Speaker 5: Across his fat. I'm going to try that again, guys.
There is a bit of a delay. Savee with me.
Oh right, there was nobody talking, nor that happened.
Speaker 7: There's a Viscount and John are both hearing that sound
that when you move your hand to the mouth, right.
Speaker 9: So did you did you know?
Speaker 5: It's not right?
Speaker 9: Okay, it's a bit.
Speaker 7: Smell I got earlier was definitely like metal burnie. It
was quite unpleasant. It was that kind of metallic smell.
Speaker 5: The paradox just went hell yeah, there was just there.
Now again heard it lower that time?
Speaker 6: He does other effect, Yeah, said the cage. Remember we
had a problems.
Speaker 5: Can I just ask guys, when we've had the show
on before, have you ever heard a similar noise before?
Or is this a completely different noise? Just out of curiosity,
if you could just let me know if you're in
the chat room. But yeah, I know that's the thing.
There is quite delay. I want to reset it. If
I do that, they might miss what I've just said.
Speaker 6: So yeah, no, no, said viscount.
Speaker 5: Right, okay, all right, we've got a little bit of delay. Okay,
so what I'm going to do is I'm just going
to try and reset it. Okay, see if I can
get back a bit quicker.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we have about twelve seconds at the moment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So if you want to tell me when that stops,
Dave said, maybe chickens.
Speaker 9: You remember the chickens?
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, let's see what we've got here. That's better. Yeah, No,
not heard it before.
Speaker 3: Reset in the system, so it's not sink.
Speaker 6: It's getting into about ten twelve seconds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it wasn't like that to be started. Change.
Speaker 9: The actual delay has changed four times in the time
the show has been on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so is it you that today?
Speaker 3: Is that not normal?
Speaker 5: Not that bad?
Speaker 7: I think certainly between turn the lights off and delays,
the delay happened once we turned the light.
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, it's got long.
Speaker 8: I mean it has gone a longer delay before, but
never never, that's never gone back with Yeah.
Speaker 6: Like I said, it's changed four.
Speaker 5: Times so far, right, you know in the sounds you
get before the show. So it just happened again. It
might have been because I just turned it off and
turned it back on again, so I can't think what
it could be then. So but they said, most of
said it's not what they heard before, and they have
heard sound before.
Speaker 3: I think they do is check the audio of the show, yes.
Speaker 9: Because you put it on and if it's it would
have picked up on well, yeah, definitely on them. Yeah,
it would be interesting to play that.
Speaker 6: You get time and so.
Speaker 9: But as I say, it's I can't get over that.
That was quite interesting.
Speaker 8: I say, I do find it significant that the first
time it rang owning, the people on air heard it,
and at the second time it was held in the room.
Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you where it was coming from. It
was out of the room, it was somewhere almost just
in the air.
Speaker 9: It was just there. You know what.
Speaker 3: He makes a special apport when when he needs to.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they're saying actually on the forum that it's
happening again, the noise, But.
Speaker 5: I don't know. Yeah, but it wasn't in the original.
It's only done it since we did that experiment down okay,
but on it's on. Yeah, Dave, it's getting loud. You
hear when it stay, you're not hearing.
Speaker 9: Just like a like a wave kind of thing. But
you get that when you when you listening to nothing. Yeah,
and he's but is it.
Speaker 3: My beats, audio, beats udio?
Speaker 9: It is out there.
Speaker 5: So weird.
Speaker 9: Nu her Andy.
Speaker 6: Right houses to stop there, h.
Speaker 5: That was that was the breathing on it?
Speaker 3: No, there was something then.
Speaker 6: It's a weird metallic sound in the background that I've
never heard before.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm when you've heard every show. Yeah, so maybe
it's some residue.
Speaker 3: Back it's I mean, you've felt the breathing.
Speaker 6: You felt that.
Speaker 3: I can't obviously I can't speak before what went on
the noises, but like I said, he does have a
big effect. You've seen it in the case you've been
involved in it.
Speaker 5: Ask John to speak.
Speaker 9: But there's something, there was something behind it. I'm not
I'm not getting what it is.
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk again? Delays lays increasing as well.
Talk to David now, yeah, okay, David, just and I
don't like so one, but if you can just make
a special effort for me, please, and if you just
start to make it happen for me now that.
Speaker 9: That was aping really yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That was to come and talking David. If you can
just make something else happen for me. Now, please just
start to bring yourself out work was now communicate with
us now the way you know how by using all
this got around. You know you've done that before. You
didn't do it again? Day do it again. I really
appreciate it if you can do what was that?
Speaker 9: WHOA? Well that that's no.
Speaker 8: You said, come on, David, do it again to me.
What came over with my ears was do it again
for me? First, it wasn't there. Yeah, I heard you
say it. Did you did you catch that? There was
actually two words missing. You actually said, come on, David,
do it again for me. But what went out on
air was do it again for me? Come on, Davey
was missing And like I just said that, you're spoken.
Speaker 5: Well, you can honestly say that there's something to this picture,
can't you? I said, you can only say there's something
to this picture.
Speaker 6: Well, in the mic, we'll considering this is this is uh,
I always have this, This has always happened in in
over two years of doing the show. We have to
put it down to the picture. Yes, definitely, Otherwise it
would have been heard before. Goespe just said he got
a moment then that goes again.
Speaker 5: Can you say what it actually is?
Speaker 9: What the hell was that?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm done?
Speaker 6: So well that that was loud.
Speaker 8: H and and and and it's like somebody's somebody's in
something metal mm hm metals straight yeah, but without without
the high pach squil, without the high pitch squirrel touched.
Speaker 3: At that moment, no one was speaking.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yes metalic.
Speaker 5: So okay, for those that are actually listening to the
radio replay, we're gonna stay quiet for a couple of
well for about thirty seconds a minute, just to see
what happens minute Roxy move Now.
Speaker 9: I'm get rid of the well did anybody else hear that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 9: It was a bike.
Speaker 5: I was just about the same, go and get a bike.
Speaker 9: Because all I got was that. I'll keeping my keep
in mind, I've got headphones on. I'm not here.
Speaker 5: I say we're going to be quiet for a minute
or two. We're not not that long, but just for
a bit, just to see whether you can hear anything.
In fact, we could turn our mics as well. Yeah,
to make sure it's not coming through there. So we're
going to turn the mics down.
Speaker 10: Okay, guys, just so you all know.
Speaker 6: So actually turned all the mics down on it. It's
still there again?
Speaker 9: Really, just before you said, okay, gods really loud.
Speaker 5: David, is this you doing this?
Speaker 3: The answer? Please? Do?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 9: It is you start.
Speaker 3: Just start going, say, David, if you will pay second delay? Now?
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm the nearly picture as best I can.
Speaker 3: Okay, David. What I want you to do is to
communicate with Suzanne please, if you will, Okay, just do
that for me. If you will do please, You've gotta
let Susan to talk. Susan's going to talk to you now,
and then if you can respond to Suzanne, please, David,
that would be a very good thing.
Speaker 5: Hi, David, can you do something for us? Please? Can
you make a noise for us? Thank you, David, David.
Can you make the lights flash on the K two
if you would? In fact, can you pass it up
to me John? Oh, thank you, thank you? Can you
pass it up?
Speaker 9: Hi?
Speaker 5: David? Can you make him flash again for me? Please?
Just so everyone can see? Please, David, can you make
them flash again? Maybe not? I want to put them
on there. I hope you don't mind, David, and mind
you're saying that. I don't think they can see him
it's a bit too low, isn't it on there? Yeah? No, okay,
you couldn't see that. Just now.
Speaker 9: I asked it to go again, right? Noise again? David?
Speaker 5: Can you flash the K two again for us?
Speaker 9: Somebody said alone in that tho?
Speaker 6: David?
Speaker 5: Did you just say hello? If you can? Can you
say it again? Please? It definitely sounds like David, are
you making the scraping sound? If you can, can you
make it really loud? M David? Can you make the
scraping sound loud? If that's you?
Speaker 3: H m h.
Speaker 6: M hmm.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I think.
Speaker 5: We stop it, David. If that's you, can you speak
to us please? Can you say.
Speaker 12: Something that's getting pretty close to speech now?
Speaker 6: Is that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, David, thank you for it. Thank you for talking
to Susan. I really appreciate that. Okay. Do you remember
a couple of weeks ago when you turn the evil
around and your taste?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Mhm.
Speaker 3: You talk to me, David, just at about it. I
can't hear what you're saying, but if you can, so
he's something for me. So you can hear what I'm
saying on on the radio. Now, Okay, David, you ready,
do you remember when you turned around the basically and
that building articularly in couples ago, it was in your gut,
you remember, leaving as the gap between guys who give
answer to talk. Okay, David, would you consider me to
be your friend? We've got a connection now that you're
a friend of mine. Now, thank you, David. I really appreciate.
I can't hear myself. I can't hear myself, but you
know you're being listening to now if that's okay. So
there's that's a few more questions and then we'll we'll
hand you back to Susie.
Speaker 9: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: That's can you finding all this pretty interesting way you
are today tonight? One thing I've always wanted to find out, David,
so I can help you because I need to know
his surname. You really need to know what your last
name is. Is there any chance you can tell us
now what your last name is? Thank you, David.
Speaker 6: Have you noticed the delays down for about two seconds? Again?
Speaker 7: Absolutely, there's no doubt about it. That's that sounded like speech,
but you couldn't make up the words, but it's sounded
like words.
Speaker 5: And I was asking if you were talking to Andy
Steve goes down to type, are you talking to Andy?
You wasn't, goes time to ask if you were talking
to Andy.
Speaker 6: No, I wasn't talking to anybody.
Speaker 8: Uh, and loads of stuff on him again as the
picture froze, which was what happened last time when the
delay Why Count'm saying, but you know what was that
it's replying but faint. In fact, that was loud again
but faint. All these sort of things that people can
even whispering, they're all hearing it.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and.
Speaker 6: Where they're all hearing it online, we're not actually hearing
it in the room.
Speaker 10: No, we're not.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: And from a technical point of view, we're doing nothing
that we don't always do.
Speaker 5: I know it may sound change. I hope it don't
sound blasphemous or whatever. I'm just going to try something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last Okay, David, we've got a microphone and
hopefully you know what, we've got a my microphone in
your mouth now, David, if you can just answer some
questions to me, please, if you don't mind, let's let's
just try it. And you know, one of the things
are always, like I was saying before, one of the
things that all we wanted to find out is your
last name? I just need to know your surname. And
if you can do it, how for me? Please? Where
you come from, David? Where do you come from? What's
the country of origin? And just one more thing, was
it Belson or was it back out? Is there a
connection with a contentation? Is it will War two?
Speaker 5: Okay? But was there any noise whatsoever coming across you?
Speaker 3: There's no distinct words.
Speaker 5: What did you get?
Speaker 7: Well, certainly again that metallic kind of voice, but there
was at one point sounded like whispering, an actual proper
voice whispering in amongst that sound.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 7: The one thing it does remind me of and we
have seen the film of Mothman Prophecies, whichard good film.
But there's one point, and it is it does actually
happen for real. It's based on the true story, I
mean loosely based on a true story. But at one point,
the main character receives a phone call from the shadow
moth person and it sounds like metallic speech, like we're
hearing when they're going to have it analyzed.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 7: This is in the film, but it also happened in
real life. The analysis came back with just metallic sound.
Speaker 3: But you can clearly hear speech, right. That reminded me of.
Speaker 8: Vin said, he said, when you said bells, it sounded
like a too syllable sound.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it is a too syllable that Vicount said them anyway, And.
Speaker 5: What do you think to that?
Speaker 8: Ghost Riders said, it's like the camera's trying to focus.
I'm not saying that on my screens.
Speaker 10: Hm.
Speaker 9: That smells not here either, But.
Speaker 5: What did you think to that? Guys, obviously you couldn't
see much on the radio replay, but I know, but
they couldn't see what we were doing on the radio replay.
But say it's it's said to assume they healed the
noises on the radio, I would hope.
Speaker 6: So, I hope so as well. Will check the machine.
I am really keeping my fingers crossed, and it's not
just a live thing. And when he plays it back
that they're not there, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And would be more spooky.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: She since the boody start and I've never heard.
Speaker 6: That before, said very interesting. Want more, loven't it?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm afraid we're gonna have to come to the
end of the show. I'm afraid that's it for tonight.
Thanks for coming, John, Welcome thank you having me tonight.
It's always nice having you around. And I'm not sure
about the painting though, you know, it's so intriguing. I've
never experienced any of that before. I must admit him
when you came last time but with it, but yeah,
it still intrigues me. Andy. Thanks for coming up.
Speaker 7: That seemed very It was a rather long get because
the DeLay's got a long but I would listen again
to the show. Yeah, and I've noticed that now we
stopped talking about you know what, the noise has stopped.
Speaker 5: Okay, So anyway, we're going to come to the end
of this. Thanks for coming up, Andy, And maybe you'll
come up again and see us again sometime.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely definitely next year, but certainly will Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, and obviously I will take you up on your
offer with the Angry Anguishman the english Man, but I
hope to see you before then. Well, next week, guys,
what if we got on. We have a young lady
back with us again, Rosemary Ellen Gwilly. She has published
a wide range of paranormal, spiritual and mystical topics and
for this show next week she's going to be talking
about the growing interest in the phenomenon of shadow people.
But what are they ghosts in two dimensional beings, time
travelers or something else. Well we'll find out from Rosemary
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