Speaker 1: It's Night Size, Dan Ray, Dan Razy, Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Madison. As we move into a
Speaker 2: Wednesday night, I'm halfway through the week now and we
Speaker 2: have a very interesting program coming up tonight. We're going
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit later on about the Papal Conclave,
Speaker 2: which is underway now formally in Rome. We'll also talk
Speaker 2: about the possibility of banning cell phones in Massachusetts schools,
Speaker 2: which I think is a pretty good idea. The President
Speaker 2: of the Massachusetts State Senate talked about that today and
Speaker 2: there are certainly other issues we could get into as well.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Ray. I'm the host of night Side.
Speaker 2: I want to welcome Rob Brooks is off tonight, and
Speaker 2: so Brian but is running the board. Be kind to Brian.
Speaker 2: I think this is his first night. He's a veteran,
Speaker 2: but this is his first night running the board solo
Speaker 2: for Nightside. So we're in good hands with Brian, and
Speaker 2: you are in great here ends here on Nightside. We
Speaker 2: are going to start off our first hour, which we
Speaker 2: interview four guests with I think sometimes really vital information,
Speaker 2: and tonight, certainly this one is of vital importance. May
Speaker 2: is National Stop the Bleed Month, a time designated educate
Speaker 2: the public about bleeding, control severe bleeding from trauma. It's
Speaker 2: a leading cause of preventable death for people of all ages.
Speaker 2: With me is doctor David Shapiro. He is the vice
Speaker 2: chair of the Stop the Bleed Committee. Doctor Shapiro, Welcome
Speaker 2: to Nightside. How are you this evening? Doing well?
Speaker 3: Thank you, Dan, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: So this is Stop the Bleed A is associated with
Speaker 2: the American College of Surgeons. And I think all of
Speaker 2: us have heard about this situation where someone you know
Speaker 2: is bleeding badly, and I think what most of us
Speaker 2: only know is to put some pressure on it and
Speaker 2: try to prevent the bleeding. But I assume it involves
Speaker 2: a lot more than that.
Speaker 3: You'd be surprised Dan, how little more it includes. But
Speaker 3: that's an important step to start with. What we try
Speaker 3: to talk about is the fact that bleeding is the
Speaker 3: number one cause of preventable death after injury, just like
Speaker 3: you said, and it means that people who are bystanders
Speaker 3: should intervene when they can. This training offers that opportunity
Speaker 3: to learn what to do in that situation.
Speaker 2: So the training is free or available. As I understand
Speaker 2: that what how did How does one get that training?
Speaker 2: Is it complicated? You have to go to a seminar somewhere?
Speaker 2: Is it available online? What's what's the deal in that regard?
Speaker 3: There's a few ways to go get trained. One is
Speaker 3: you can go online to Stop the Bleed dot org
Speaker 3: slash save a Life, and there's actually a link that
Speaker 3: gives you opportunities based on where you are, to get
Speaker 3: trained by your local hospital or some local organizations that
Speaker 3: do it. Most training available in the US is free.
Speaker 3: All the training that I do, and I'm I'm in
Speaker 3: the West Hartford, Connecticut area. All the training that we
Speaker 3: do here is free. And I've actually been in Boston
Speaker 3: and the Boston area and trained up there, always for free.
Speaker 3: So people can go to the website, they can ask
Speaker 3: their local hospital or their local trauma surgeons and they'll
Speaker 3: teach them how.
Speaker 2: The Stop the Bleed website, which I've looked at and
Speaker 2: I'm looking at right now. Four million people have learned
Speaker 2: to stop the bleed. How long has this program been
Speaker 2: in existence? How did you get full million trained that quickly?
Speaker 3: Well, it's been about ten years since the program started,
Speaker 3: it'll be ten years later this year, and it started
Speaker 3: really as grassroots, but the goal is to get more
Speaker 3: people trained every day. Five million is a wonderful number,
Speaker 3: but it's a drop in the bucket compared to how
Speaker 3: many people there are around, and we want everyone to
Speaker 3: know how to do this. Just like if you've collapsed
Speaker 3: on the street, someone comes over, checks your pulse and
Speaker 3: then can start CPR. This is like thinking about CBR
Speaker 3: for bleeding.
Speaker 2: Now, I know a lot of people are going to
Speaker 2: get freaked out, and I'm sure that a lot of
Speaker 2: people will recoil from that if they see someone who,
Speaker 2: let's say, has been hit by a car or stuff
Speaker 2: at a of a difficult injury and they're bleeding. How
Speaker 2: do you get people over that psychological hump.
Speaker 3: Well, I think the most important thing that we can
Speaker 3: talk about there is the being ready. You would never
Speaker 3: hesitate to help your your spouse, your child, your brother's sister,
Speaker 3: et cetera. You'd always go into help. And we'd always
Speaker 3: expect that at the scene of any bleeding emergency, or
Speaker 3: any crash or any accident, that someone would be there
Speaker 3: to help our loved ones. So we want to provide
Speaker 3: that kind of reciprocal care. If I'm there to help,
Speaker 3: I'm going to help. And that's why this program is
Speaker 3: so important. It's easy and it's straightforward. The training is
Speaker 3: less than an hour, and it's once and you know
Speaker 3: the material.
Speaker 2: Wow, this sounds like a great program and it's one
Speaker 2: that virtually everybody can take advantage of. I know that
Speaker 2: every month we have you know, different causes in different
Speaker 2: months and all that, but May is national Stop the
Speaker 2: Bleed Month. In May twenty second is National Stop the
Speaker 2: Bleed Day. So all you have to do is go
Speaker 2: to the website Stop the Bleed dot org. It looks
Speaker 2: to me some of the photographs that I see in
Speaker 2: the website, everybody seems to be working with it looks
Speaker 2: like what I guess is a limb or you know,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, you're not obviously using human beings here.
Speaker 2: What are they working on there? I noticed that they're
Speaker 2: pressing down on this, uh sort of you know, light pink.
Speaker 3: We we actually offer them in all colors and they're
Speaker 3: meant to represent all people. These are they're actually a
Speaker 3: prosthetic limb. They're just a piece of great foam rubber
Speaker 3: that's designed to be the same shape as a leg
Speaker 3: or arm, so that we can teach people the three
Speaker 3: important steps of stop the bleed. Those those techniques. Those
Speaker 3: three techniques include direct pressure, like you've already said, okay,
Speaker 3: packing where we actually forced gauz inside a wound to
Speaker 3: help put pressure on the inside. And then the application
Speaker 3: of a tourniquit, something that people have you know, had
Speaker 3: in their in their scout years a long time ago.
Speaker 3: And people learned to do the tourniquets years ago, but
Speaker 3: they kind of went by the wayside for a while,
Speaker 3: and they're back as of the last ten years. So
Speaker 3: those three techniques are what we teach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks pretty it looks pretty simple. It looks
Speaker 2: like people are enjoying this process. And again I want
Speaker 2: to encourage folks because hey, it could be me tomorrow
Speaker 2: that's on the street somewhere impleting and I want people
Speaker 2: to help me stop the bleed. Dot organ. I'm sure
Speaker 2: that everyone tonight, if it was, as you said, their
Speaker 2: spouse or their child or a dear friend, they would
Speaker 2: want some stranger to help. And this makes all the
Speaker 2: sense in the world. Do you have last question, doctor Shapiro.
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea? And I don't script these questions.
Speaker 2: I make them up as they go along. Do you
Speaker 2: have any idea. How many people's lives may have already
Speaker 2: been saved as a result of this program.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a difficult number to get to because if
Speaker 3: someone's life is saved, it's usually because somebody intervened early,
Speaker 3: and that's important. But we know that there are thousands
Speaker 3: upon thousands of these bleeding emergencies every day, and we
Speaker 3: see them all over the world, and they include things
Speaker 3: as simple as an accident with a knife for a window,
Speaker 3: or a car crash or even violence. All those things
Speaker 3: are amenable to this treatment. So that's what's important, is
Speaker 3: being ready because just like for CPR, we never want
Speaker 3: to have to use it, but if we're put of
Speaker 3: the situation, we should be ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know the reason I asked that question is
Speaker 2: many years ago, got to be probably close to thirty
Speaker 2: years ago. I was in a restaurant and a guy
Speaker 2: stood up and he was he had some food stuck.
Speaker 2: He couldn't make any noise, and I knew right away
Speaker 2: this guy's choking, and I went overtook me three times,
Speaker 2: but the third time was a charm, and he popped
Speaker 2: a piece of chicken out by using the Hemelick maneuver.
Speaker 2: I just responded I had just done a story on it,
Speaker 2: and I was in television at the time and had
Speaker 2: learned the Heimlich maneuver, the idea of you know, you
Speaker 2: take and you get it right underneath the sternum and
Speaker 2: you really give them a jolt and the Heimlich maneuver.
Speaker 2: They keep track of how many people because I got
Speaker 2: this award from them, a certificate and all of that.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's something that you folks would stop the
Speaker 2: bleed might consider to do when someone actually it's proven
Speaker 2: that they that they saved someone, a little bit of
Speaker 2: acknowledgment might go a long way.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you and thank you for saving
Speaker 3: that life, because I'll bet when you got trained to
Speaker 3: do the heim mcaneuver, it wasn't that day you remembered
Speaker 3: and it was really important there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a few weeks prior, but it was
Speaker 2: pretty simple. It's like, you know, you know, basically, you know,
Speaker 2: you know what it is. You take your thumb, the
Speaker 2: the the the the knuckle on your thumb and you
Speaker 2: drive it up under the asternam. I just sort of
Speaker 2: did it myself, and it took me three shots at it,
Speaker 2: to be honest with it, didn't it didn't work perfectly,
Speaker 2: but it's it's saved when one person's life. So anyway,
Speaker 2: thank you so much, doctor Shapiro. I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking the time tonight and I'm going to check out
Speaker 2: the course myself and I been well.
Speaker 3: Thanks Dan, Thanks for spreading the word. It's so important all.
Speaker 2: Of us pleasure, my pleasure. Thank you so much. Well,
Speaker 2: that's a great That was really something that I thought
Speaker 2: was really interesting, and I hope you find I hope
Speaker 2: you found that as interesting as I did. Uh. Let's
Speaker 2: in a moment. We're going to talk about a program
Speaker 2: that maybe is not as dramatic, but equally important. It's
Speaker 2: called Operation Warm. Stay with us. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: with a Partnership Direct Partnership's director of Operation Warm, Rich Lally.
Speaker 2: Well than two thirds of kids in under resourced communities
Speaker 2: were shoes that are too small. Uh, we'll be right
Speaker 2: back here on Nightside. My name is Dan Ray. You
Speaker 2: listen to WBZ in Boston.
Speaker 1: If you're on night Side with Dan Ray on WZ
Speaker 1: Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Well, we talked briefly during the break the fact that
Speaker 2: two thirds of kids in underresourced communities we're shoes that
Speaker 2: are too small the right pair of shoe whose big
Speaker 2: deal for growing feet? Nonprofit Operation Warm shares how new
Speaker 2: footwork can boost confidence, school attendance, and well being. And
Speaker 2: they also do more than just shoes with us, as
Speaker 2: Rich Lally Partnerships, Director of Operation Warm tell us about
Speaker 2: the organization generally Rich and then let's talk about what
Speaker 2: is needed at this time of year, what is most
Speaker 2: needed at this time of year.
Speaker 4: Sure, Dan, thanks for having me on. So Operation Warm
Speaker 4: is a nationally active nonprofit organization. We've been around for
Speaker 4: a little over twenty five years, and we provide brand
Speaker 4: new clothing, specifically brand new shoes and brand new winter
Speaker 4: codes to children living in need. Last year, across North America,
Speaker 4: we served about one point two million children, and in
Speaker 4: the Boston area we did tens of thousands of children.
Speaker 4: So shoes are what's really in need at this time
Speaker 4: of the year. Obviously we're beyond the coach season at
Speaker 4: this time, but you know, kids grow pretty rapidly and
Speaker 4: they'll go through a pair of shoes every four months
Speaker 4: or so when they're in that growth spurt.
Speaker 2: So maybe the shoes that they got less September for
Speaker 2: back to school now are too small.
Speaker 4: Now you say they're too small.
Speaker 2: You said North America. Does does this program extend beyond
Speaker 2: the borders of the US to Canada, Mexico or or
Speaker 2: was that we go into.
Speaker 4: We go into Canada. We're primarily in the United States,
Speaker 4: but we've got a fair number of partners in Canada
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, now I assume you're not looking for old shoes.
Speaker 2: I assume you said that you're you're looking for new shoes.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, we provide new shoes, but actually we don't
Speaker 4: at the scale that we're operating, we don't take in
Speaker 4: donations of goods. We have them manufactured for us, and
Speaker 4: so we have them packaged in a way that facilitates
Speaker 4: distributing coats or shoes to children at distribution events. We
Speaker 4: make sure the quality is all up to snuff. We
Speaker 4: have a lot of lots of different colors that the
Speaker 4: kids can choose from. And the way we handle all
Speaker 4: of that is through the financial contributions that we get
Speaker 4: from a wide range of community partners and foundations and
Speaker 4: carring individuals and corporations and even some governmental units.
Speaker 2: Okay, so if folks want to I don't have any
Speaker 2: corporations listening to me or governmental units, but I do
Speaker 2: have Yeah, that's individuals. If there are individuals out there
Speaker 2: who would like to help you out, what is the
Speaker 2: best way to be in contact. I assume you have
Speaker 2: a good website.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we have a great website. It's operationworm dot org.
Speaker 4: That's Operation warm Warms and not cold warm dot org.
Speaker 4: And you know when you're there, you can make a
Speaker 4: contribution if you want, twenty five dollars will provide a
Speaker 4: pair of shoes and two pairs of socks that have
Speaker 4: a retail value of just about fifty to a child
Speaker 4: in need. The other thing is that if your listeners
Speaker 4: are a part of a church that likes to give
Speaker 4: back in their community, or maybe it's a union local.
Speaker 4: We work with a lot of union firefighters, and we
Speaker 4: work with a couple of other unions as well. I
Speaker 4: think we work with the electrical workers in the Boston area.
Speaker 4: Or if they're worth some kind of a club like
Speaker 4: a rotary club or a Kawanas club that does a
Speaker 4: lot of service work in their community. Those organizations can
Speaker 4: sign up to be a community partner and they raise
Speaker 4: funds and then they donate the funds to us. But
Speaker 4: tell us what local beneficiary organization they would like to
Speaker 4: coach or shoes to go to. And oftentimes those members
Speaker 4: then will go to the organization and literally help the
Speaker 4: kids pick out their own shoes and help them try
Speaker 4: them on, make sure they fit properly. And I'll tell
Speaker 4: you what, that's a fantastic experience to do that.
Speaker 2: So Operation One, how long have you folks been operating?
Speaker 2: How long you've been around?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we started in nineteen ninety eight when our founder
Speaker 4: saw some kids without coats on a day when it
Speaker 4: was snowing in the Philadelphia area. He bought every coat
Speaker 4: at the apartment stored in fifty eight coats. And last
Speaker 4: year we did over a million coats and two hundred
Speaker 4: and twenty five thousand pairs of shoes.
Speaker 2: So you have you the need continues, but you have
Speaker 2: grown to try to fill that need. That sounds oh yes,
Speaker 2: that's a great shot.
Speaker 4: I mean in the Boston area alone, last year we
Speaker 4: had requests for eight thousand pairs of shoes and we
Speaker 4: were only able to provide shoes to sixteen hundred kids.
Speaker 4: So nationally the numbers are huge. It's you know, something
Speaker 4: like seven hundred thousand pairs of shoes were requested across
Speaker 4: the country and six hundred thousand of those went unfulfilled.
Speaker 2: Wow boy, But you know again, the fact that you
Speaker 2: were out there doing it and with the help of individuals,
Speaker 2: I assume you were a five O one C three.
Speaker 2: So any donations that listeners make is it is a
Speaker 2: charitable deduction, assuming they adamized on their taxes.
Speaker 4: That's correct. Yeah, we're definitely a five oh one C three.
Speaker 4: There's no profits associated with our company at all. Every
Speaker 4: penny that we bring in is used to order more
Speaker 4: coats or more shoes and then get them to more
Speaker 4: beneficiary organizations like schools and nonprofit organizations that serve low
Speaker 4: income families.
Speaker 2: Sometimes. I know the groups that I talk to, like
Speaker 2: you always like to acknowledge if they have a huge
Speaker 2: corporate sponsor. I'm just wondering if there's any particular organization
Speaker 2: that you'd like to cite for being supportive. Again, I'm
Speaker 2: the doc here, but I just want to always ask.
Speaker 4: Now, we've got three that I'd like to mention. Subaru.
Speaker 4: We're one of their six court charities and they do
Speaker 4: a program. Every one of their dealers does a program
Speaker 4: with US across the country, and FADEX is Hughes. They
Speaker 4: do about seventy eight to eighty different schools all across
Speaker 4: North America. Every kid in the school gets a brand
Speaker 4: new code or a brand new pair of shoes, are
Speaker 4: both from their employees. And then close to you is TJX.
Speaker 4: I think their headquarters in scenario. Yeah, right, you've got
Speaker 4: one of their executives is on our board and they're
Speaker 4: growing with us and doing programs in the cities where
Speaker 4: they have distribution centers.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad I asked that question. We don't script
Speaker 2: questions here, and it's just what comes up in my mind.
Speaker 4: So that's why I appreciate the opportunity, because those folks
Speaker 4: really really help make it happen. But so you know,
Speaker 4: I found I've been doing this. I've been in with
Speaker 4: Operation Warm since two thousand and nine and so quite
Speaker 4: a while. And what I find is when you're trying
Speaker 4: to make an impact in the community, you need lots
Speaker 4: of donations. You need lots of small donations and a
Speaker 4: few big donations, and you know, every little bit helps.
Speaker 4: So twenty five dollars provides a brand new pair of
Speaker 4: shoes with two pairs of socks to it.
Speaker 2: That's great. That sounds great. I really enjoyed our conversation.
Speaker 2: You're doing great work. Rich Lally Partnerships Director Operation Warm
Speaker 2: operationwarm dot org. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Appreciate it. Great evening.
Speaker 2: Right back at you. Okay, when we get back, going
Speaker 2: to talk about a battle up in Lowell about allowing
Speaker 2: underage patrons at Lowell pubs. We're going to talk with
Speaker 2: a reporter for the Lowell Son, Melanie Gilbert. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: I read the story, I got some questions, and Melanie
Speaker 2: has the answers. My name's Dan Ray. You're listening WBZ
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Speaker 2: All right. Melanie Gilbert is a reporter for the Lowell Son.
Speaker 2: Hi Melanie, Welcome to Nightside. How are you tonight?
Speaker 5: Well, hey Dan, this is my first time on your show,
Speaker 5: so thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it won't be your last, because we
Speaker 2: really do like we like the Lowell Sun. It's it's
Speaker 2: a great city and it's a great newspaper and they
Speaker 2: have great reporters and so you've done this story than you.
Speaker 2: Underage patrons are welcome at Lowell pubs. I read the article,
Speaker 2: which is interesting, and I'd love to hear your take
Speaker 2: on it because I guess the loophole of the pub
Speaker 2: is as long as they serve food, a pub, it
Speaker 2: oftentimes could be just a pub's not a bar. I
Speaker 2: guess is that the distinction we're talking about here.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's a really interesting story. And I
Speaker 5: got to tell you, Dan, I cover the municipal beat
Speaker 5: and Lowell, which you know sounds like a big yawner, right,
Speaker 5: you know. I cover the Health Department, the school committee
Speaker 5: and the city council and stuff like that, and one
Speaker 5: of my beats is the license commission. But I'm telling
Speaker 5: you that's where the magic happens. You know, these cities
Speaker 5: run on these little these little municipal meetings where all
Speaker 5: this stuff goes down. So this was a hearing, a
Speaker 5: violation hearing for the Blue Shamrock, which is the guy
Speaker 5: who's been in business for like thirty years. And Nick
Speaker 5: petrakis he's got he's a larger than life personality, really
Speaker 5: invested in the community. Runs a lot of donation, you know,
Speaker 5: he runs a sun Santum for the low charities and
Speaker 5: a lot of charitable events. So he's you know, he's
Speaker 5: a well rounded, well respected guy. But he's had issues
Speaker 5: with underage patrons coming into his bar. So he was busted.
Speaker 5: The bar was busted. So the License Commission is the
Speaker 5: little sleeping municipal body that regulates liquor licenses in the city.
Speaker 5: So when the police go out and do you know,
Speaker 5: a sting operation, Let's say they go into a bar
Speaker 5: and if they see somebody that they think or you know,
Speaker 5: what's typically going to be what's considered a bar, even
Speaker 5: though Loull doesn't have bars, they have pub restaurants.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little Samantha goal here, but at least we understand it, okay.
Speaker 5: Well, or is there one of the police captains. The technicality,
Speaker 5: you know, and he said, we're not going to change
Speaker 5: our enforcement. So they go into the bar and if
Speaker 5: they see people who they think are under age, they
Speaker 5: ask them prid, well, you know, these people aren't in
Speaker 5: that bar by accident. The IDs they have they pass.
Speaker 5: There's a thriving market and fake IDs that have the stippling,
Speaker 5: they have, the holograms they have, you know, they're pretty
Speaker 5: good and I guess they cost around three hundred dollars
Speaker 5: and these kids can order them from China and they
Speaker 5: get into these bars. And so the bar uses sort
Speaker 5: of a you know, a screening system, but it's not
Speaker 5: sophisticated like the police scanner system that they use, which
Speaker 5: connects to the state police database. So the cops can say,
Speaker 5: show me your ID and they scan it and it's fraudulents.
Speaker 5: So they go into the Blue Shamrock at like one
Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning on March first, which is you know,
Speaker 5: Friday night into Saturday morning, and they I buy two
Speaker 5: women sitting at the bar and they think they're under age.
Speaker 5: They card them their IDs are is the police report said,
Speaker 5: clearly fraudulent, and so they criminally cite them and then
Speaker 5: they give the bar a violation notice, which brings them
Speaker 5: before the license commission for a hearing. So the license
Speaker 5: commission is a body that says, you've sinned, we're going
Speaker 5: to suspend your license, or you've sinned, we're going to
Speaker 5: be a second chance, or you have to do remedial
Speaker 5: training or whatever. So you know, Nick comes in, Nick Patratus,
Speaker 5: who's the owner. He comes before the license commission. He says, look, yeah,
Speaker 5: they're underage, but I'm not a bar, I'm a restaurant.
Speaker 5: And they didn't have any drinks. They weren't served, they
Speaker 5: didn't have any drinks in their hands, they didn't have
Speaker 5: any drinks in front of them. They were there for
Speaker 5: the food.
Speaker 2: I think, I think win this game.
Speaker 5: Well, you know this is this is why I'm going
Speaker 5: to be there. May fifteenth is the follow up hearing.
Speaker 5: And it's a really good you know, you always hear
Speaker 5: that thing, is there a distinction with a difference, and
Speaker 5: sometimes there are things that are difference with no distinction.
Speaker 5: This has both isn't difference and a distinction. So he's clear.
Speaker 5: You know, he has a kitchen, he's a really good menu.
Speaker 5: I looked at his menu the other day. I thought, man,
Speaker 5: I got to get in there and get myself a burger.
Speaker 2: But you're over rage. Now, that's that's an important Here's
Speaker 2: the problem with the women who were who were nailed.
Speaker 2: Obviously they were if they had fake id's, they were
Speaker 2: not over twenty one. I assume how young they were.
Speaker 5: I believe Captain Peasley, who testified before the Liquor Commission,
Speaker 5: said that they were eighteen. So they were eighteen and nineteen,
Speaker 5: so they you know, they're not high schoolers, which has
Speaker 5: been an issue in the past. Yeah, intact, this particular
Speaker 5: bar has been cited for having underage like this.
Speaker 2: Is this is this. Were they sitting at what we
Speaker 2: would call the bar, or they had a couple at
Speaker 2: a table, they were at the bar.
Speaker 5: They were sitting at the bar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so, but.
Speaker 2: No alcohol in front of them when they were carded
Speaker 2: by the police.
Speaker 5: That's correct. And Nick says, too many people get past
Speaker 5: the doormen or the door people, you know, and so
Speaker 5: they're IDs. And so he says the bartenders are are
Speaker 5: much better, and I spind fake id's and that they
Speaker 5: use pen lights and black light and they can, you know,
Speaker 5: they can. I guess there's a certain sickness to the
Speaker 5: IDs issued by the states, they're not flimsy, and that
Speaker 5: fake id's are sort of flimsy, you know. So there's
Speaker 5: a lot of dimensions to the story. What really caught
Speaker 5: my eye, And you know, I go to these meetings
Speaker 5: because you never know, this is.
Speaker 2: Let me, this is the best form of journalism. This
Speaker 2: is local journalism. This is what newspapers are supposed to do.
Speaker 2: Hat's awesome.
Speaker 5: You just go into yes, well, thank you. And you know,
Speaker 5: I love these meetings. I eat the municipal beat for
Speaker 5: breakfast function dinner because this is where this stuff pops
Speaker 5: and it's just nuts. So I was sitting there, you know,
Speaker 5: there's doodling, and all of a sudden my ear ears
Speaker 5: pricked up because then I realized that we've got a
Speaker 5: story here, and it kind of reminded me of that joke.
Speaker 5: You know, two women walk into a bar, you know,
Speaker 5: so they say, you know, a pre so, oh my gosh,
Speaker 5: this is like too good. And so the young women,
Speaker 5: I wonder if they're cases. I'm gonna have to pull
Speaker 5: the police report, but I wonder if their cases are
Speaker 5: going to be tossed out too. So you know, the
Speaker 5: deal is is that you know, when you go into Applebee's.
Speaker 5: You going to California Kitchen and you're going to Chief
Speaker 5: Kake Pactory. Those places aren't open till two o'clock in
Speaker 5: the morning. They're family style restaurants.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: You see families going into those places and they ordered liquor,
Speaker 5: and you can have liquor served to your table. You
Speaker 5: might have a six year old sitting there, and it's
Speaker 5: not a big deal because the vibe is different. But
Speaker 5: you know, a club or a nightclub or a bar,
Speaker 5: it's you're there for one thing to drink, you know,
Speaker 5: And I think that's sort of you know. So in
Speaker 5: Low though, they didn't want bars, so they made it
Speaker 5: an ordnance that there are no bars, there are restaurants
Speaker 5: that serve liquor. So this is the sticky wicket that
Speaker 5: I mentioned earlier, is that the law Department said, when
Speaker 5: you know, you guys, you you guys with a liquor commission,
Speaker 5: you pass this ordinance that you said. As long as
Speaker 5: they hold a restaurant license, there is no there's no violation.
Speaker 5: You know, they're not to you right here, since blue
Speaker 5: shamrock as a common uh you know light vitually, I don't.
Speaker 6: Say the word right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Thank you, you saved me. License holder
Speaker 5: is classified as a restaurant with an alcohol license, so
Speaker 5: it's not an alcohol place that's serving food. It's a
Speaker 5: restaurant serving alcohol, which is a whole different thing. It
Speaker 5: is not unlawful for them to admit patrons under twenty
Speaker 5: one years of age, provided they are only served food
Speaker 5: and not alcohol. Now, the thing that's going to be
Speaker 5: discussed on May fifteenth is, you know, this was one
Speaker 5: o'clock in the morning. Was the kitchen open? So the
Speaker 5: License Commission has requested uh the payroll records of the
Speaker 5: employees who were on duty that night, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: that's going to be one of the questions they asked.
Speaker 5: And this is the thing that you know, you're a journalist.
Speaker 5: You remember when you can get more than one bite
Speaker 5: of the apple. You're like in dreamland. Right, it's not
Speaker 5: a one and done story.
Speaker 2: Continued to be continued Melanie. I love your enthusiasm. Do
Speaker 2: me a favorite. We're going to I'll ask my producer
Speaker 2: to get back to you after the day eight of
Speaker 2: May fifteenth, or if you get a chance to call
Speaker 2: Marita back. We'd love to know how the story ends.
Speaker 2: I think I think he may be on solid ground here,
Speaker 2: but we'll see. We'll see how they normally is the
Speaker 2: ABC seed that's doing this, the Alcohol Beverage Control Commission,
Speaker 2: they do that too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well that's what law enforcement has, the boots
Speaker 5: on the ground sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a state. That's a state. See, Melanie, love
Speaker 2: your enthusiasm, got enthusiasm, But I got to let you
Speaker 2: go because I got one more guest coming up and
Speaker 2: a quick commercial break that We've gone a little longer
Speaker 2: than I should, but I enjoyed it thoroughly and hope
Speaker 2: to soon. I mean, like this, mom, Okay, thanks Melanie,
Speaker 2: talk soon, all right, real quick. Got to get to
Speaker 2: a break and we come back. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about a cancer survivor who is basically turned the legal industry,
Speaker 2: had a real impact on the legal industry because of
Speaker 2: her experience. She's a lawyer. We'll talk with and Fava
Speaker 2: right after the break.
Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Dendra Fava, you practice Lauren, Morristown, New Jersey. Right, I've
Speaker 2: been in Morristown route to eighty seven. What's going on
Speaker 2: with the music here? Brian? Okay, Sandra, can you hear.
Speaker 6: Me, I can.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got you this big introduction here. You practice
Speaker 2: Lauren Morristown, right, I do.
Speaker 6: My office was located in Morristown, New Jersey.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 2: I know Morristown, Peeback, Gladstone, that Neck of the Woods
Speaker 2: route to eighty seven. I know it very well. So
Speaker 2: you have dealt you're a breast cancer survivor, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: and your your mom and your practicing attorney. I happen
Speaker 2: to be a member of the bar here in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: so I just can imagine what you would have had
Speaker 2: to have gone through as a woman with breast cancer,
Speaker 2: but also as someone who is trying to keep a
Speaker 2: law practice alive. Yeh've done much more than that. You
Speaker 2: now have rewritten the rules for women at work, explained
Speaker 2: to us that place.
Speaker 5: Four.
Speaker 6: So during the pandemic, in about early September of twenty twenty,
Speaker 6: I was diagnosed with stage three best breast cancer. So
Speaker 6: I had to make a lot of quick decisions. I
Speaker 6: was at that time a partner at a large national
Speaker 6: law firm in one of their in their Morristown actually
Speaker 6: office location, had a robust practice book of business as
Speaker 6: a family law practitioner here in New Jersey, and so
Speaker 6: it's a COVID. I have three kids who at the
Speaker 6: time were eight, six, and four or thereabouts, maybe even
Speaker 6: a little younger at.
Speaker 1: The start of it.
Speaker 6: I have my spouse who happens to also be an attorney.
Speaker 6: So we're all, you know, working remote and now I
Speaker 6: have to deal with surgery, chemotherapy, radiation, more surgery, lots
Speaker 6: of doctor's appointments, being very careful because your immune system
Speaker 6: is completely shot as a result of that. You know,
Speaker 6: the treatment that ultimately did save my life, and I'm
Speaker 6: very grateful for and you know, I tell people that
Speaker 6: I'm not always certain if it was the pandemic or
Speaker 6: really the breast cancer, but at that point in time,
Speaker 6: I really had like an awakening as I came through
Speaker 6: it and realized that, in particular, you know, the large
Speaker 6: firm that I was at while they tried to give
Speaker 6: me support, and I you know, couldn't knock the efforts
Speaker 6: that were made at large. You know, the people at large.
Speaker 6: You really got the message that you were just the
Speaker 6: cog in the wheel. And you know, I could have
Speaker 6: I could have passed and it wouldn't have been a
Speaker 6: blip on anybody's radar. And I really started to think
Speaker 6: that while I am passionate about being an attorney, it.
Speaker 2: Would have been a big bloop. It would have been
Speaker 2: a Sandra, as you know, it would have been a
Speaker 2: big blip on your family's radar. Though.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, absolutely, that's.
Speaker 2: The other part of the equation.
Speaker 6: Go right ahead, Yeah, for sure. And you know my career,
Speaker 6: I worked very hard, as many attorneys do. You know,
Speaker 6: I don't come from a family of lawyers. My parents
Speaker 6: are immigrants, so I'm first generation in this country, first
Speaker 6: in my family to go to college and then to
Speaker 6: get a law degree. So I didn't have family help
Speaker 6: or mentors and things like that. So I always, you know,
Speaker 6: figured if I worked really hard, I would get to
Speaker 6: where I wanted to be, and in reality, that is
Speaker 6: what happened. But at the sacrifice of you know, taking
Speaker 6: care of my health and you know, my stress levels
Speaker 6: being high at all times. You know, I kind of
Speaker 6: operate best. I used to say when I was under
Speaker 6: like tremendous pressure or fire from all angles, and I
Speaker 6: really said, there's going to be no more of this.
Speaker 6: My family. Myself comes first, actually, because without me, my
Speaker 6: family is going to be in the rough, rough spot.
Speaker 6: And then you know, my family and being there for
Speaker 6: my children and my spouse. Those are my priorities. And
Speaker 6: I kind of lived that. I didn't just say it,
Speaker 6: I did it. And I made a huge transition within
Speaker 6: my practice, and interestingly enough, my clients were really receptive.
Speaker 6: I still brought on new clients. I was very clear
Speaker 6: with the rules of engagement as far as my availability,
Speaker 6: which you know, pre COVID and pre you know, emails
Speaker 6: and Apple phones and all of these things was the
Speaker 6: way people practiced law. Right, You make a phone call,
Speaker 6: you send a letter, you send a fact, you know.
Speaker 6: But with time and as technology advances, you know, there's
Speaker 6: an expectation that you'll be available all the time, at
Speaker 6: any time of the day or night, you know, and
Speaker 6: at an expense. And that comes from the top down,
Speaker 6: whether it's leadership in your firm or organization, whether it's
Speaker 6: from the courts of the adversaries, clients, you know, all
Speaker 6: of the above. And so I really just made my
Speaker 6: engagement terms very clear kind of with everybody. You know,
Speaker 6: I'm going to work and I'm going to do everything
Speaker 6: that I need to do for whoever needs it to
Speaker 6: be done. But you know you won't be able to
Speaker 6: reach me during the week on these you know, after
Speaker 6: this hour and on the weekends, if there's an emergency,
Speaker 6: you should call the police because I can't really help
Speaker 6: you anyway, you know, I can, I'm not I can
Speaker 6: be your therapist and do that. And that's an important
Speaker 6: part of my job to understand and hear people and
Speaker 6: listen to people. But also there has to be kind
Speaker 6: of a line. And most people, you know, when you
Speaker 6: say it out loud to them, they're like, yeah, of course, sure,
Speaker 6: no problem. And it kind of really changed knowing that
Speaker 6: the clients and you know, those people were accepting of that.
Speaker 6: Then I had to work on the organization and that
Speaker 6: was less of a positive experience. You know, several women left,
Speaker 6: are partners left at the same time that I like,
Speaker 6: And a lot of it had to do with this
Speaker 6: expectation that you know, this would be your number one
Speaker 6: priority at all times, at all levels.
Speaker 2: So so you you left the big firm and now
Speaker 2: have your own practice. It sounds to me like you're
Speaker 2: the big firm. Yes, wasn't. Wasn't with you on this.
Speaker 2: I will predict that probably you're gonna be a You're
Speaker 2: going to be a rain maker for yourself. And a
Speaker 2: lot of the clients maybe who would have gone to
Speaker 2: the big firm, are going to gravitate towards you because
Speaker 2: they will probably will respect your integrity and your courage.
Speaker 6: Well, thank you, that's really nice of you to say, Dan,
Speaker 6: And you know, I do try to live all areas
Speaker 6: of my life with integrity, and you know, doing things
Speaker 6: that I believe in doing the right thing, not just
Speaker 6: for self gain or not for self gain, but because
Speaker 6: it's the right thing to do. You know, my father,
Speaker 6: who's bout collar, you know, to have taught me and
Speaker 6: my sibling from a very young age. You know, you
Speaker 6: don't have anything if you don't have your integrity. So
Speaker 6: it's important for me to be able to put my
Speaker 6: head on a pillow at night, close my eyes and
Speaker 6: not worry about if I did the right thing. I mean,
Speaker 6: I do that with my children because I think as
Speaker 6: a parent we always second guess ourselves. But certainly I
Speaker 6: didn't want to do that in my professional career.
Speaker 2: I will bet you tell you. I will bet you
Speaker 2: that a lot of your clients probably respect your boundaries
Speaker 2: and they're probably very happy to have you as they're
Speaker 2: representative in whatever matter you're dealing with them on. So
Speaker 2: I say, hats off to you. I wish more lawyers
Speaker 2: thought like that. All of us who ever practiced law
Speaker 2: know what the partner track is and it's no fun.
Speaker 2: And you were a partner and even at that point
Speaker 2: you realize that it wasn't what you wanted to do,
Speaker 2: and you had the guts and the courage to turn
Speaker 2: it around. So I say, congratulations, Sandra. And if how
Speaker 2: could folks, we have a lot of listeners in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: folks want to get in touch with you. Give us
Speaker 2: a quick way in which they can reach out to you.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, so.
Speaker 6: Obviously you can go to my website Favolawanjay dot com.
Speaker 6: You can follow me my travel law on Instagram. I
Speaker 6: have a Facebook page. Obviously, I'm on LinkedIn. You know,
Speaker 6: all of those ways and my contact informations, my phone number, email,
Speaker 6: all of that's on the website.
Speaker 2: That's great. Congratulations, congratulations on your recovery and may that
Speaker 2: continue for decades. I hope thank you great health for
Speaker 2: the rest of your life. And your kids and your
Speaker 2: husband are blessed to have you as part of their family.
Speaker 6: And I thank you so much, Dan, that means a lot.
Speaker 2: My pleasure pleasure to have met you. Sandrew, all right,
Speaker 2: we will. We will come back and we're going to
Speaker 2: talk back after nine o'clock. We're going to talk about
Speaker 2: an idea that is now being seriously considered long overdue,
Speaker 2: and that's getting cell phones out of public school classrooms
Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts. We'll explain right after the nine o'clock
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