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<v Speaker 1>Is this, my guys, Jericho Roade? Oh yeah, oh nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course we've resurrected them once a big piece of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bill and Spence Show. Back in the day, our

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<v Speaker 2>producer was a young man named Jason Sheppard who wore

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<v Speaker 2>Gene shorts and loved LDS boy bands. Shef is now

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<v Speaker 2>with our friends at BYU TV, as is our next

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<v Speaker 2>guest friend of the program, Spencer Linton, on a Wednesday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>I know at some point you may have tried out

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<v Speaker 2>for Jericho Roade, because I know you have an excellent voice.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, I know you were rocking a little

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Road. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Truth be told, Spence. That's the first time I've ever

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<v Speaker 3>heard that song, and I've never been more pleased to

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<v Speaker 3>announce something in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, all right, fair enough, Look, I know we gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be quick with you today, so let's dig into it.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a macro question for Spencer.

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<v Speaker 2>Then we'll dig into some topics in a vacuum. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>six years ago, and my old producer actually sent out

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<v Speaker 2>a tweet because I'd forgotten I've made this comment. But

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<v Speaker 2>six years ago, when the rumors of nil started a

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<v Speaker 2>surface and the potential of deep pocketed donors to make

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<v Speaker 2>a difference in athletic departments became somewhat of a reality.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this is a massive, massive piece of potential

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<v Speaker 2>advantage for BYU. This is something they can utilize and

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<v Speaker 2>capitalize on in addition all the other things that BYU

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<v Speaker 2>brings to be able to kind of get an edge

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<v Speaker 2>that they haven't had for quite some time. So for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time, about a decade or so, there was

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<v Speaker 2>an innate advantage for Utah over BYU simply because of

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<v Speaker 2>P five inclusion with PAC twelve versus independence, and now

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<v Speaker 2>the playing field is not just even. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>the momentum is shifted down south. Why do you think

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<v Speaker 2>BYU has been able to capitalize on this era to

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<v Speaker 2>add so many talented players both basketball and football.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, getting the right coaches in place and on the

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<v Speaker 3>heels of Kevin Young and a winning season with Kolonie

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<v Speaker 3>Sataki and Kevin Young taking the basketball team to the

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<v Speaker 3>Sweet sixteam that first and foremost to me, it has

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<v Speaker 3>to be stated like you have to win for your

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<v Speaker 3>boosters to consistently get behind you and say, okay, there

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<v Speaker 3>are results, this is fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We like what is happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Also, the momentum of BYU finally being invited into a

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<v Speaker 3>Power for conference naturally had the fan base very excited

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<v Speaker 3>and exuberant to want to get involved in any way

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<v Speaker 3>that they can. So those two things, being involved and

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<v Speaker 3>invited finally after so many years to the big boy table.

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<v Speaker 3>Granted you're not in a prime spot at that table yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but you're still at the Powerplour table. And then winning

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<v Speaker 3>that breeds naturally a lot of excitement. And then you

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<v Speaker 3>have boosters that believe and went and fought for Kevin

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<v Speaker 3>Young to get him from the Phoenix Suns as an

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<v Speaker 3>assistant to BYU and then to keep him at BYU

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<v Speaker 3>just a few months ago when things really ramped up,

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<v Speaker 3>or I should say a few weeks ago when it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of got strange because the Sun's job opened up

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<v Speaker 3>and there were NBA opportunities. Again, like these these boosters,

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<v Speaker 3>they know a winner when they see one. Kevin Young

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<v Speaker 3>is clearly that. And what Kalani Satake is doing in

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<v Speaker 3>building his culture and trying to find guys that are

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<v Speaker 3>the right fit, but trying to get the top tier

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<v Speaker 3>members of the Church of Jesus Christ, the Latter day

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<v Speaker 3>Saints and Yesterday's Five star quarterback signing is a huge

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<v Speaker 3>boost in that direction. Like all these things combining have

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<v Speaker 3>created this this really really big wave of momentum. And

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<v Speaker 3>so but it starts with winning and finally being at

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<v Speaker 3>a power for a level because there's just so much

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<v Speaker 3>excitement and there's a real passion. Brian Santiago the athletic

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<v Speaker 3>area to keep saying, it's never been better, never been

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<v Speaker 3>a better time to be involved.

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<v Speaker 4>In this athletic department and with this.

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<v Speaker 3>Team, and with the momentum that's happening, Like there's just

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<v Speaker 3>so much juice and passion and excitement, and and that

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<v Speaker 3>starts with being at the big boy table and then

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<v Speaker 3>delivering some really fun winning seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>And also being able to pay these players on par

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<v Speaker 2>or if not more than other schools via n I L. Spencer,

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<v Speaker 2>it is okay that we say that out loud, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no question, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>With you, and it's legal rights there. The network, the

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<v Speaker 3>network at BYU to your point, has always been there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been fantastic. Mark Pope has has set a couple

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<v Speaker 3>times like hey, we need more. When he was at BA,

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, we need more support, we need more time. Spence,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know that the boosters believed in Mark the

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<v Speaker 3>way that they do in Kevin Young and connected with him.

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<v Speaker 3>It just there was a little bit of a disconnect somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>So Kevin Young, to his credit, has helped bridge that

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<v Speaker 3>gap and make it more likely for the big money

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<v Speaker 3>boosters to get behind him to an even greater capacity.

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<v Speaker 3>But yes, it's always been there. Now that it's legal,

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<v Speaker 3>they're saying, well, why wouldn't we. We love the school,

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<v Speaker 3>we love the program they're winning, We like these coaches

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<v Speaker 3>and players that they're bringing in. Yeah, sign me up.

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<v Speaker 3>So if it's legal, do it. That's fine. Like now

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<v Speaker 3>it becomes an arms race in that capacity, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>totally okay. So yes, nil is a huge part of

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<v Speaker 3>it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look man, like I was raised by a Mormon capitalist,

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<v Speaker 2>I was raised by an LDS capitalist. Okay, Like, it

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<v Speaker 2>is a religion and a culture that understands the power

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<v Speaker 2>of the purse. Tell me, help me understand where the

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<v Speaker 2>messaging comes from, where there's from my prism and my perspective. Spencer,

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<v Speaker 2>a certain faction of people that work for the school

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<v Speaker 2>or love the school that simply refuse to say out loud, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about winning. Yes, it's about P four. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 2>about the BYU experience. Yes, Kevin and Klonie are elite,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also about the ability to be very competitive

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<v Speaker 2>and yes sometimes the higher bidder to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>attract these players to come play basketball and football at BYU.

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<v Speaker 2>What help me understand the deal where there's messages in

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<v Speaker 2>certain circles that from my prison seem to be very

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<v Speaker 2>reluctant to just even say that out loud.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, great question. I think there is such a negative

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<v Speaker 3>connotation associated with well BYUS just buying the players. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the only reason that they're choosing BYU. Why would you

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<v Speaker 3>ever go to BYU? Clearly they're chasing a bag. I

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<v Speaker 3>think people are so hesitant to admit that they do

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<v Speaker 3>have competitive, if not elite NIL and boosters behind this,

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<v Speaker 3>because there is this faction of social media that says, well,

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<v Speaker 3>nobody would pick BYU if it weren't for the money,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I guess that's why I throw in the

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<v Speaker 3>other things. It is a it's a package deal. The

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<v Speaker 3>nil and money is a big part of that and

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<v Speaker 3>a huge arm of that in making that wheel spin.

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<v Speaker 3>If you take it away, it wouldn't go. But I

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<v Speaker 3>think that people are hesitant and the faction you reference

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<v Speaker 3>are hesitant to talk about money because they don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to somehow minimize.

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<v Speaker 4>How important the coaching arm is.

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<v Speaker 3>The winning arm, the experience, the transformative experience they're promising

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<v Speaker 3>athletes that byu to become greater men and greater women,

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<v Speaker 3>and the education. They want all of the arms to get.

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<v Speaker 4>Their equal due.

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<v Speaker 3>And so with this negative connotation around, well, it's only

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<v Speaker 3>because of the money that's probably why they shift away

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<v Speaker 3>from that. I'm here to tell you that it's just

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<v Speaker 3>one incredibly important arm in this wield that makes the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing push forward.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, the good news is social media isn't real,

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<v Speaker 2>so we can just put that aside. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>if Sam Harris is the podcast sam Ayris? Have you

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<v Speaker 2>heard of him? Yes, Okay, I'm a big fan. I

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<v Speaker 2>like the way he thinks, I like the way he communicates.

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<v Speaker 2>And a couple of years ago, after mister Musk's takeover

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<v Speaker 2>of X, he elected to exit stage left, and he

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<v Speaker 2>did this hour and a half podcast and why it

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<v Speaker 2>was the best decision he ever made, and look, I

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<v Speaker 2>check it. You know, that's where we got the draft tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm waiting for news on the Jazz maybe doing something.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll tell you what, man. Ever, since I pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much left the platform, you realize how small it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You realize how irrelevant it is, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>So like the people that are dragging BYU for adding

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<v Speaker 2>talent online, I just.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't give them any credence.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's just me.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, man, I wish more people thought like you, Spence.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is not a joke. Literally, I was sitting

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<v Speaker 3>in my car about thirty minutes ago, and it's because

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<v Speaker 3>I had been chided by some friends about kind of

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<v Speaker 3>disappearing on social media, like hey, how come you're not

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<v Speaker 3>posting as much? Like where'd you go? Like are you

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<v Speaker 3>on summer vacation? And it's a purposeful move by me

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<v Speaker 3>to just take a break, take a breath, like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>with you. I still check it, but I don't feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I need to constantly post stuff. I'm involved with

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<v Speaker 3>shows that post content with me involved all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>That's good enough for me for in large part. But

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<v Speaker 3>I was literally being chided and kind of ribbed for disappearing.

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<v Speaker 3>But I feel free to a degree, So I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to join you in line there. I think there is

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<v Speaker 3>there's real power in that. And I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 3>I feel the negativity from social media per se, but

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<v Speaker 3>it is a very real element, and I wish I

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<v Speaker 3>wish more people could see a big picture like you

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<v Speaker 3>are presenting where it's you can you can talk about

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<v Speaker 3>this nil just because there are fans from angry opposing

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<v Speaker 3>fan bases around the conference and around the country, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's Oregon who's in the battle for this right Lions

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<v Speaker 3>movement he goes to b YU, or it's other big

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<v Speaker 3>twelve schools who are saying, oh, see by just because

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<v Speaker 3>of the money, Like you're right, it is a very

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<v Speaker 3>very loud and obnoxious vocal minority and the grand scheme

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<v Speaker 3>of things. And so I'm gonna try and be better

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<v Speaker 3>at that and not give the type of credence that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people do to this social media wave

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<v Speaker 3>because it's okay. It's okay for BYU to have incredible

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<v Speaker 3>boosters and support and money and the backing that they

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<v Speaker 3>do all under a legal scope. Now where this is

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<v Speaker 3>within the rules. So let's go ahead and flex where

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<v Speaker 3>we have never been able to flex and do this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the other gift you give yourself before you

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<v Speaker 2>move off of this, because only you have a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of minutes left. I did a podcast last week and

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<v Speaker 2>the guy was like, Hey, you're getting killed online. How

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<v Speaker 2>does that make you feel. I'm like, didn't see it?

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<v Speaker 2>No idea or you get aggregated, no clue, Like you

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<v Speaker 2>just him is the biggest, the best term, Like, when

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting attacked online, if you don't see it, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really happen, doesn't It doesn't even exist?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, if the tree falls in the forest and

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<v Speaker 3>no one's around to hear it.

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<v Speaker 4>Or see it, does it actually fall?

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Great point, great point.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, a couple things here.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll end with the Lions kid, but before we get there,

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<v Speaker 2>the only local player that is kind of surrounding with

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<v Speaker 2>some intrigue during the draft process is Yegor. We've had

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of draft experts on the show today.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you hearing about?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the feedback he's received during this process and

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<v Speaker 2>potentially where we could hear his name called tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>So I've spent significant time communicating with Yegor's camp and

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<v Speaker 3>Travis Hanson and others. Travis is with Yegor and Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 3>tonight and has been a huge part of why Yegor

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<v Speaker 3>is at BYU and his whole experience there, and from

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<v Speaker 3>what I have gathered from the combine and from interviews

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<v Speaker 3>and everything that Yegor has done in this really just

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<v Speaker 3>this process to get ready. It feels like there are

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<v Speaker 3>five teams that are the most interested, and I'll list

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<v Speaker 3>them in order of where they pick first to last,

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<v Speaker 3>Starting with the Houston Rockets. They were at number ten,

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<v Speaker 3>but they obviously traded that pick to the Phoenix Suns

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<v Speaker 3>with the Kevin Durant exchange, so the Yegor to Houston

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<v Speaker 3>feels less likely now that they don't have that tenth pick.

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<v Speaker 3>The Portland Trailblazers are a team that's been very interested

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<v Speaker 3>in him. The Chicago Bulls at twelve, the Atlanta Hawks

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<v Speaker 3>at thirteen, and the Brooklyn Nets, who have five first

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<v Speaker 3>round picks. I believe they pick what eighth and nineteenth.

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<v Speaker 3>The Wizards are in there too. I don't think they

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<v Speaker 3>would take Jegor as early as six. I know they

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<v Speaker 3>pick eighteenth. I don't think he's gonna slip to eighteen.

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<v Speaker 3>Would be a surprise to see him there, but those

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<v Speaker 3>are the team so it feels like he's gonna go

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere between eleven and maybe seventeen. I think most likely

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<v Speaker 3>looking at the teams and the conversations that have happened,

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<v Speaker 3>his skill set, the need for a point guard to

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<v Speaker 3>help out. Right now, I'm looking at twelve with the

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<v Speaker 3>Chicago Bulls for Yagwar to join a guy like Josh

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<v Speaker 3>Diddy and help out that point guard line and the

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<v Speaker 3>combo guard and his distribution and passing ability. Or the

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<v Speaker 3>Atlanta Hawks with Trey Young like Atlantic could really use

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<v Speaker 3>a big guard with Yegwar's skill set. I've heard that

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<v Speaker 3>scouts have been very impressed in his individual workouts with

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<v Speaker 3>his shot and the progress that he has made his

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<v Speaker 3>higher release point. He's worked relentlessly to prove to people

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<v Speaker 3>that he is a better shooter than we saw, especially

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<v Speaker 3>early in his campaign at BYU. He got better later

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<v Speaker 3>in the season, but they don't talk about that. They

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<v Speaker 3>just think, ah, you know, twenty nine percent or twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seven percent Rebot sugar, yikes. He has worked so hard, tirelessly. Really,

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<v Speaker 3>that's where the Travis Anton youth to get better at

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<v Speaker 3>his shot, and he has impressed some people. So my

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<v Speaker 3>best guess Chicago twelve, Atlanta at thirteen, because both of

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<v Speaker 3>those teams really like Diegor, has invested a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>time into him and he can immediately fit into their

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<v Speaker 3>specific rosters.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, before I said you lose, because I know

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<v Speaker 2>you got to run, so be as short as you want,

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<v Speaker 2>tell me about the process. The landed Rider lions in

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<v Speaker 2>Provo to play for Byu. And look, I mean, we

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<v Speaker 2>won't see him for a few years. There's a mission thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But what sort of a quarterback prospect is he? And

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<v Speaker 2>what's the buzz down there in Provo?

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<v Speaker 3>Gosh, you know what's crazy? Is He referenced on the

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<v Speaker 3>Pat McAfee show that he got his first scholarship offer

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<v Speaker 3>in eighth grade and that was from BYU. He got

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<v Speaker 3>a scholarship off from the Coops when he was thirteen,

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<v Speaker 3>and I remember vaguely hearing about that and thinking, wow,

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<v Speaker 3>are we really starting this early? But clearly they saw

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<v Speaker 3>something in him that was special, and Biu was paying

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<v Speaker 3>attention to his older brother, and there was connections to

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<v Speaker 3>the family, and obviously he's a member of the Church

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<v Speaker 3>of Jesus Christ the Latter day Saints, And there's been

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<v Speaker 3>a huge emphasis from Kilani and his staff to be

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<v Speaker 3>way more competitive in going and getting the best members

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<v Speaker 3>of the faith because they have lost out in recent

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<v Speaker 3>years to the likes of Utah and Oregon and USC

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<v Speaker 3>and Power five schools on the West coast, and then

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<v Speaker 3>it's slipping into sec territory with Alabama and Ole miss.

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<v Speaker 3>So the emphasis has been we have to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>a way to go and get the best guys that

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<v Speaker 3>fit our culture, that grew up in the religion and

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<v Speaker 3>make this a place for them to want to be.

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<v Speaker 3>So there was a huge push there to accommodate his

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<v Speaker 3>desire to serve a mission for however long that mission

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<v Speaker 3>is going to be. Ever everything from a year to

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<v Speaker 3>fourteen months to a year and a half to a

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<v Speaker 3>fall two years, we don't know, but he does want

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<v Speaker 3>to serve a mission for at least some length of time.

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<v Speaker 3>BYU is clearly a place that can help him do that,

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<v Speaker 3>and they had enough of a number financially. Oregon came

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<v Speaker 3>in at the last minute and offered more money. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what the figure was. All I was told

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<v Speaker 3>was in that realm Oregon offered more money than BYU,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was not just about a strict dollar sign

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<v Speaker 3>and about getting the most money, way bigger for somebody

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<v Speaker 3>who is a member of the faith and has a

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<v Speaker 3>long history with BYU, going back to his first scholarship

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<v Speaker 3>offer in eighth grade. They love what he can do

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<v Speaker 3>on the field. I hear a lot of Zach Wilson comparisons,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hate to even say this one because people

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<v Speaker 3>are be like, oh my gosh, Spencer, stop it, stop

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<v Speaker 3>the hyperbole.

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<v Speaker 4>But he's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Bigger kid, six two and twenty pounds, and he's a

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<v Speaker 3>physical runner, so I heard in a slight way like

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<v Speaker 3>Jalen Hurts. So Zach Wilson a little bit of Jalen Hurts.

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<v Speaker 4>In the way he plays, but very confident.

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<v Speaker 3>He has got a rocket arm, and he's a really,

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<v Speaker 3>really capable runner. In fact, I watched this tape and

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<v Speaker 3>I thought there were flashes a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>guy like Jackson Dart, especially with him being a bigger frame.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the type of player he is. BAA worked relentlessly,

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<v Speaker 3>Chad Lewis told me, I mean probably four years ago

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<v Speaker 3>when he was a freshman. I don't know what it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to take, but we have to get that guy

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<v Speaker 3>at BYU. We have to get that guy to BYU,

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<v Speaker 3>and he wasn't really looking at BYU seriously at the

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<v Speaker 3>time after his sophomore year in high school. Like BYU

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't in his top five, they probably weren't even in

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<v Speaker 3>his top ten. But the shift to power for conference boosters,

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<v Speaker 3>nil money, the right culture, the right connection with his

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<v Speaker 3>family and faith, it all kind of came together, and

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<v Speaker 3>now Ryder Lyons is a five star quarterback at BA.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, buddy, well, good perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>It is an exciting time down there, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>momentum in the positive direction, so I appreciate the color

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<v Speaker 2>and context.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a great week, man, We'll chat soon, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Always good to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for freeing my mind in the social media

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<v Speaker 3>around my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I am here for you, Spencer Lynton, to be your

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<v Speaker 2>north Star, to be your Lea, to be your Leahhna

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<v Speaker 2>in life.

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<v Speaker 1>Anything you need, you let me know.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, let's go Jericho Road, Let's go.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it, Spencer Lynton, our buddy from BYU TV.

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<v Speaker 1>BYU dialing in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Highest rated prospect they've had since two thousand and two

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<v Speaker 2>at the quarterback position.

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<v Speaker 1>That player Ben Olsen, who didn't work out at b

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<v Speaker 1>YU