Speaker 1: Joining us now is Tony Ardaben of Wisewolf Gold, And
Speaker 1: we've got so much to talk about. And again he's
Speaker 1: set up, David and I die gold. I'll take you
Speaker 1: to Tony's wise Wolf and let him know that you
Speaker 1: came through us. And as we look at gold going
Speaker 1: up record prices, as Tony has always said, you know
Speaker 1: when it starts shooting up when everybody gets interested in
Speaker 1: buying it, and so it's kind of a feedback live
Speaker 1: there's some other fundamental things that are driving it as well.
Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Tony. It certainly has been
Speaker 1: an amazing week, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Well? We keep saying that, yeah, every week for again,
Speaker 2: every time I come.
Speaker 3: Up, there's another record high, David, in the monetary system's
Speaker 3: melting down. Well, what's going to happen next week? Uh,
Speaker 3: stay tuned, folks. Look we'll get the gold silver ratio
Speaker 3: now is one hundred and two. It's one hundred and
Speaker 3: two ounces of silver to make one ounce of gold.
Speaker 3: Isn't that absolutely insane?
Speaker 2: That is that is history.
Speaker 3: It has is at ten to twenty at most ten
Speaker 3: to twenty ounces of silver to make one ounce of gold.
Speaker 3: That changed around nineteen thirty three, but it's never, I
Speaker 3: mean never been like this on a consistent base. It's
Speaker 3: one hundred and two ounces of silver to make one
Speaker 3: ounce of gold. That's a price disparity in and of itself.
Speaker 3: But as I was telling you off air, there's something
Speaker 3: really wrong with the price of gold itself based off
Speaker 3: of the dollar. I mean, in nineteen seventy one is
Speaker 3: thirty five dollars an ounce, so it's almost one hundred times.
Speaker 2: It's almost one hundred times what it was in.
Speaker 3: August fifteenth, nineteen seventy one. And gold really hasn't gone
Speaker 3: up in value, and of course it increases about two
Speaker 3: or three percent a year in supply, so it's kept
Speaker 3: up with inflation and other things. But that's the price
Speaker 3: of gold versus the purchasing power of the dollar, and
Speaker 3: almost one hundred times, David, absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1: That truly is amazing. Yeah, And of course we had
Speaker 1: a lot of things happening with pronouncements by Powell, things
Speaker 1: have with the stock market, stuff happening with tariffs, this
Speaker 1: war between China and the US, of trade war is
Speaker 1: driving people to away from the dollar, away from treasury bills,
Speaker 1: and even more so into gold as you and I
Speaker 1: have been talking about for the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: You know, China's central bank and others saw this coming,
Speaker 1: especially saw it with the tariffs, and they started moving
Speaker 1: away from the dollar towards a gold They're seeing the
Speaker 1: resetting of the financial system, and now this, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't see anything fundamentally changing with US. I think
Speaker 1: this is going to get really crazy, and I think
Speaker 1: this is part of the financial meltdown. I think Trump
Speaker 1: wants that.
Speaker 2: I do too.
Speaker 3: What else would explain this sort of chaos? Markets love certainty.
Speaker 3: You I mean, you're you're not making it advantageous for
Speaker 3: companies to move here, build here, invest here. We haven't restructured,
Speaker 3: not working on our internal tax system, work on external
Speaker 3: tax system at the same time, So we haven't lower taxes,
Speaker 3: we're actually raising taxes. You know how I feel about tariffs.
Speaker 3: I like tariffs. I think that there's sound. I think
Speaker 3: they can create an environment of freedom and liberty. The
Speaker 3: problem is, if you ad them on top of the
Speaker 3: income tax, you just get a new tax. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: we're It doesn't make any sense on his face, and
Speaker 3: I think that's why this has nothing to do with
Speaker 3: economic nationalism. Has everything to do with the controlled demolition
Speaker 3: of the American economy, the American dollar. It's the rhetoric
Speaker 3: back and forth between Trump and Powell. Trump to put
Speaker 3: out on his truth social that he's looking forward to
Speaker 3: Pal's termination.
Speaker 2: Termination can't come fast enough.
Speaker 3: Is what he said, based off Palell's remarks on tariffs
Speaker 3: and everything else. And he says he's always late. He
Speaker 3: wants Powell to act. And this is part of the
Speaker 3: weaker dollar strategy. If you really listen to what Trump says.
Speaker 3: He's trying to get the FED to inject massive amounts
Speaker 3: of liquidity into the market's QE. And of course Powell,
Speaker 3: as we've covered for the last couple of years, has
Speaker 3: raised interest rates faster than any other FED chairman in history,
Speaker 3: trying to curt tail inflation so that it goes against
Speaker 3: the policy. I mean, if you want to call the
Speaker 3: Fed hawkish, it reverses all of the Fed's policy over
Speaker 3: the past two or three years. And that would be
Speaker 3: absolutely devastating, a final blow for the dollar, if you will,
Speaker 3: and it might lend a I think a temporary boon
Speaker 3: to the economy. I think we would see, you know,
Speaker 3: stock prices would sore there'd be a temporary high, but
Speaker 3: ultimately that sort of injection right now, when we're at
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty five percent of debt to GDP
Speaker 3: David I, that would be the final blow. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think after that we'd be looking at the fallout
Speaker 3: from that because you could no longer really do anything
Speaker 3: by injecting liquidity. That's like the last run, It's just
Speaker 3: based off mathematics. And I think that's what Trump wants.
Speaker 3: I think he wants a giant liquidity injection. You can
Speaker 3: put a hang up question mark over that. You know,
Speaker 3: he likes injections.
Speaker 1: He likes injections, COVID injections, maybe even you know, heroin injections,
Speaker 1: because that's what this is like. This is like a
Speaker 1: junkie looking for a fix, and you know, he can't
Speaker 1: get high anymore, and he's going to have to use
Speaker 1: more and more and eventually he's gonna ode and we're
Speaker 1: going to have an economic overdose of quantitative easy. It's
Speaker 1: going to kill the economy, kill the government. And you
Speaker 1: know this is this is the guy who bankrupted casinos.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: One of the things that he really I guess really
Speaker 1: got him angry was what Powell said in his remarks
Speaker 1: yesterday to the Economic Club of Chicago, just read these
Speaker 1: two here. We may find ourselves in a challenging scenario
Speaker 1: in which our dual mandate goals are intention intention. If
Speaker 1: that were to occur, we would consider how far the
Speaker 1: economy is from each of these goals, and the potentially
Speaker 1: different time horizons are which those respective gaps would be
Speaker 1: anticipated close. But then what really got it is I
Speaker 1: think he said terrorists are likely to move us further
Speaker 1: away from our goals, probably for the balance of this year.
Speaker 1: And he said for the time being, we're well positioned
Speaker 1: to just wait for greater greater clarity before considering an
Speaker 1: adjustment to our policy stance. So what he's saying is,
Speaker 1: like all the businesses out there and CEOs and everybody's like, well,
Speaker 1: we don't know what Trump's going to do in another
Speaker 1: twelve hours, so let's just wait and see.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: It's this uncertainty, you know, That's the other thing that
Speaker 1: has jumped into this tony besides you know, the inflation
Speaker 1: and the spending and adding taxes and everything. It's the
Speaker 1: uncertainty about everything, and that's freezing everybody. And even now
Speaker 1: Powell echoes it and says, well, we're gonna just wait
Speaker 1: and see what he's gonna do, wait and see what
Speaker 1: the stuff shakes out before we make any policy commitments.
Speaker 1: And everybody is doing that with their businesses across the board,
Speaker 1: across the world.
Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, I mean the uncertainty is what is causing
Speaker 3: all of the market chaos and the whip sawing and
Speaker 3: the back and forth.
Speaker 2: I noticed something. There's a metric.
Speaker 3: You know, the Chinese used to be the largest holder
Speaker 3: of US treasuries.
Speaker 2: Now that's the greatest seller.
Speaker 3: This is the upside down and this is the changes
Speaker 3: that are on the horizon are absolutely massive. You look
Speaker 3: at dedollarization continuing the trend. If we if he gets
Speaker 3: his wish, I think this is what I think we're
Speaker 3: trying to suss out here is what is the goal?
Speaker 3: Because you know, Powell, he's not wrong about about the tariffs.
Speaker 3: Because we're placing tariffs on on a top of a
Speaker 3: system that wasn't designed for economic nationalism. It doesn't look
Speaker 3: like policy, and that you know, policy would would be
Speaker 3: a reformation of our current economic system, how we tax,
Speaker 3: what incentives we give to corporations and to individuals and
Speaker 3: to investors to build things here.
Speaker 2: We didn't do that. We just we just put something.
Speaker 3: We put a relic on top of a system that from.
Speaker 2: A bygone era.
Speaker 3: We put a relic on there, on top of a
Speaker 3: new system that is designed for cheap liquidity. It's designed
Speaker 3: for debt, it's designed for fiat currency, it's designed for
Speaker 3: you know, again, the currency creation in order to survive that.
Speaker 3: You know, the stock market in nineteen seventy one, go
Speaker 3: back to Nixon's arrow and go off the gold standard.
Speaker 3: This is a completely different economy, different everything you know
Speaker 3: it used to and you know this, I mean it
Speaker 3: was the stock market was based off of earnings and
Speaker 3: you know, profit and loss statements, you know, the Warren
Speaker 3: Buffett's era.
Speaker 2: That is no longer that way. It's about your it's
Speaker 2: about ESG.
Speaker 3: It's about your ties to central banking and venture capital,
Speaker 3: which all that just circles around itself. This has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with with old metrics and building things and
Speaker 3: manufacturing and all that stuff. So yeah, putting the tariffs
Speaker 3: on there like that, it doesn't make any sense and
Speaker 3: it will be inflationary. But again because we didn't, cause
Speaker 3: we didn't, there's no there's no carrot. It's just stick.
Speaker 2: And that's to tell this is not about that.
Speaker 3: It's about forcing Powell or forcing a new chair of
Speaker 3: the Fed, which is I'm surprised to even stayed on
Speaker 3: in the fire.
Speaker 2: I was always surprised he stayed on. I thought, this
Speaker 2: is very good. You know, exit stage right there, Jerome,
Speaker 2: you should probably exit because this is going to be
Speaker 2: a bumpy ride. He didn't do that, so you.
Speaker 3: Know that's on him. But something, something, is going to happen.
Speaker 3: I can't imagine they've gone all this way to become
Speaker 3: fiscally responsible. I had a high school student, the daughter
Speaker 3: of a lady that works for me in Branson. She
Speaker 3: texted me earlier this week and said, can you tell
Speaker 3: me how the US could balance the budget? And so
Speaker 3: I sent her back an audio message and I said, well,
Speaker 3: they'd have to pass a balanced budget amendment. They'd have
Speaker 3: to cut spending, they have to spend less than they
Speaker 3: took in. This would have to be a complete reformation
Speaker 3: of the financial system, and I said, they'd have to
Speaker 3: We'd have to repeg the currency to something stable so
Speaker 3: we wouldn't constantly lose purchasing power. There's a few steps,
Speaker 3: you know, there's you'd have to have.
Speaker 1: I would have sent her back a three word reply.
Speaker 1: I'd say, follow the constitution.
Speaker 2: Well, that's right.
Speaker 1: That would be the big cuts to the welfare warfare state.
Speaker 1: That'd eliminate for real, all this stuff that those just
Speaker 1: playing around with, the different on the fringes. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just completely gone. That's what it's going to require.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I said, you know, we'd have to we'd
Speaker 3: have to end. I called it the welfare warfare states.
Speaker 3: There's bare three things to me.
Speaker 2: If all the constitution, that's even of course that's what
Speaker 2: David and I would say.
Speaker 3: I had to make it convoluted. But that's what I
Speaker 3: looked at. I said, we don't talk about that anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we don't talk That is not on the table. So
Speaker 3: you know, I think that that is the tell if
Speaker 3: you want to read the room, this is not the
Speaker 3: spirit of the age, the zeitgeist, if you will, that
Speaker 3: they're not throwing that out saying we need to become
Speaker 3: fiscally responsible.
Speaker 2: Nobody talks about that. This is all about strategy and
Speaker 2: who gets left holding what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, this is the Machiavellian monetary theories.
Speaker 2: Oh I like that.
Speaker 1: Another MMT right, I'm going to use this politically for something.
Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting you mentioned it's all stick
Speaker 1: and no carrot, and that was the same thing that
Speaker 1: a commentator on RT on Russia today said as well,
Speaker 1: in terms of talking about the two big issues here,
Speaker 1: How is the EU going to respond to Trump's tariffs
Speaker 1: and things like that? How is China going to respond?
Speaker 1: They said, well, you know, for the EU, because of
Speaker 1: you know, the dominance of the US in so many
Speaker 1: different ways with them, they will probably grudgingly go along.
Speaker 1: But it's all stick and no carrot. They don't get
Speaker 1: anything out of it. He hasn't given them anything to
Speaker 1: go that way, but he's got a big enough stick
Speaker 1: that he could beat him with that. Maybe they'll go
Speaker 1: that way. You know, it's over China. You know, he's
Speaker 1: talking about it. And this is the key thing when
Speaker 1: we start talking about devaluation and things like that. China
Speaker 1: devaluated there you want, And so what's Trump going to do?
Speaker 1: Is he going to respond with that? Is he going
Speaker 1: to devaluate the dollar? You know, that's that's part of
Speaker 1: what they've always done with the China price is currency manipulation,
Speaker 1: and so you know, how does he respond to that?
Speaker 1: You know, everybody says, well, Trump's holding all the cards
Speaker 1: because we buy more from them they buy from us. Well,
Speaker 1: not at all. I mean, besides the rare earth minerals
Speaker 1: that they've just stopped that they've got like ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the processing on globally, so they just stop that
Speaker 1: they can devalue their currency. They've also matched him on
Speaker 1: tar frates, so as he goes up, they go up,
Speaker 1: and they keep going up. But he doesn't have any
Speaker 1: cards to play when it comes to devaluation because that's
Speaker 1: going to work against dollars, certainly work for the advantage
Speaker 1: of gold, and when it comes to minerals and other
Speaker 1: things like that, it seems to me like he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the cards. He's got the big stick with Europe,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't seem to have the cards in the
Speaker 1: trade war with China. And I think that that's going
Speaker 1: to continue to go on. And I think it's this
Speaker 1: instability that is there, this uncertainty that he's created that
Speaker 1: is driving gold the most, don't you.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what the Chinese are buying gold or dumping
Speaker 3: treasuries to buy it. The world's buying gold, and I
Speaker 3: think this has been happening really accelerated rates since twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two. You look at when we put the sanctions
Speaker 3: on Russia and then the rubles fell and then bounced back,
Speaker 3: and then they stopped using dollars and went and did
Speaker 3: direct trade deals with places like India and China for petroleum,
Speaker 3: for gold, and vice versa. I think what we're on
Speaker 3: the CUSS is a world that's moving away from the dollar.
Speaker 3: I've said for a while, I think gold is already
Speaker 3: the world's reserve currency, it's just not in name. And
Speaker 3: that's what bricks is working on in cross border payment systems.
Speaker 3: You know, if this was twenty years ago, you could
Speaker 3: probably take on the Chinese no problem. But we've given
Speaker 3: them so much. We gave them the infrastructure, we gave
Speaker 3: them the trade, we gave them the technology.
Speaker 1: Cheap energy, well, we gave them cheap energy.
Speaker 2: You know that's what we keep energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you're going to manufacture sorry.
Speaker 2: Opened everything for them, you know you have to.
Speaker 3: We built them up so we could do something like
Speaker 3: this because we can blame the other. I think this
Speaker 3: is another part of the great reset for the technocracy.
Speaker 3: All the things they've been building up China since the
Speaker 3: Trilateralists formed in nineteen seventy three with Zignu Brazinski. It's
Speaker 3: moving the technology eastward and building up their infrastructure. And
Speaker 3: of course we open China in seventy two. Everything following
Speaker 3: the timeline. David last trade surplus the United States ran
Speaker 3: was in nineteen seventy four. This all makes sense if
Speaker 3: you look at it in reverse. And now we get here.
Speaker 3: It's hard to see exactly what the next move is,
Speaker 3: but it's not good. I think it's just using this
Speaker 3: as a buffer, you know, using them as the other's
Speaker 3: setting up the boogeyman. Because the damage that we've done
Speaker 3: to ourselves with our own policies with globalization and you know,
Speaker 3: with you know, the empire, the American Empire, has been
Speaker 3: absolutely disastrous. And this is not This can't last forever.
Speaker 3: That's what we're up against. Is the timeline is the
Speaker 3: window for us fixing our currency and our system is
Speaker 3: rapididly closing.
Speaker 2: And it's not going to be great. It's not going
Speaker 2: to be it's not gonna be sunshining rainbows on the
Speaker 2: other side. I hate doing this because it sounds so pessimistic.
Speaker 3: I know, but you just I mean, look again, the
Speaker 3: dollar was thirty five dollars an ounce for gold in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy one, and now it's almost one hundred times almost.
Speaker 2: I mean right there.
Speaker 3: I didn't think this is something I've been studying for
Speaker 3: years and years, and I gotta say this all the time.
Speaker 2: But it's moving faster than I thought it would.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're really oh yeah, we're really in a different
Speaker 3: timeline now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter Schiff has said, this is what I've been
Speaker 1: talking about as long as that is here is there,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and all of the gold bugs
Speaker 1: I've all been saying that. But that's the case, as
Speaker 1: you point out, you know that ratio to silver, everything
Speaker 1: has flowed into gold, right It's not into bitcoin, it's
Speaker 1: not into silver, it's not any of these other alternatives
Speaker 1: to these fiat currencies. It's all going into gold right now.
Speaker 1: And so it's acting like a big hose that's there,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's one of the other things bitcoin.
Speaker 1: One person said, well, we're poised for a twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three style rebound, as Goldman says, the dollar is overvalued
Speaker 1: now that's coming from coin desk, and they're going to
Speaker 1: look at it. Oh, well, the dollar's overvalued, so we
Speaker 1: can have rebound with bitcoin. Well, not necessarily. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just like the silver thing that is it going
Speaker 1: to be gold that everybody's going to run into. And
Speaker 1: that's what we've been seeing is that that's where the
Speaker 1: foreign banks are going, the central banks are going, and
Speaker 1: a lot of individuals are going into gold because they
Speaker 1: see that as the you know, the an island of
Speaker 1: stability and this chaotic situation that Trump is manufactured. What
Speaker 1: do you think about bitcoin? I mean, is that going
Speaker 1: to regain this or is it going to kind of
Speaker 1: hang around and wait for the economy to settle down
Speaker 1: on the stock market and all this other uncertainty about tariffs.
Speaker 2: Well, I think bitcoin is is actually held up. Okay,
Speaker 2: it hasn't done. I mean this is this has always
Speaker 2: been the question is is bitcoin digital gold in times
Speaker 2: of uncertainty and times of fear, in times of chaos?
Speaker 3: Can bitcoin hold its own? It certainly has done. Okay,
Speaker 3: give it a C minus. It's not a failure, but
Speaker 3: it did you know, have a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: price drop since inauguration day, which was I think one
Speaker 3: hundred and eight thousand day. But I think it was
Speaker 3: trading the other day at about eighty six thousand, so
Speaker 3: not terrible. And it's not like a lot of these stocks.
Speaker 3: I mean there were just or some of these mean
Speaker 3: coins other things that are digital assets that like trump
Speaker 3: coin or whatever that just plummets.
Speaker 2: So it's held up. Okay.
Speaker 3: I think bitcoin in the infrastructure, and I have a
Speaker 3: bitcoin company.
Speaker 2: I think the long term it goes.
Speaker 3: I think hand in hand with gold in some way,
Speaker 3: and because it's a digital it says something that gold
Speaker 3: can't do, but gold does something that bitcoin can't do.
Speaker 2: A lot of these people that are bitcoin maximusts. I
Speaker 2: scratch my head.
Speaker 3: I don't really understand why they think that bitcoin will
Speaker 3: demonetize gold or demonetize silver or everything goes to zero again.
Speaker 3: It seems kind of cultish maw like some of those guys.
Speaker 3: I think they're very smart people, but at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, I don't agree with that. I think
Speaker 3: it's just another asset alongside of precious metals that has
Speaker 3: a long term viability. I don't like any other cryptos.
Speaker 3: I don't sell any other cryptos, I don't deal in them.
Speaker 3: I think bitcoin being the it is an island unto itself,
Speaker 3: so I will leave that and put a pin in it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I hang a question mark over. I
Speaker 3: think that I definitely see a rally for bitcoin sometime
Speaker 3: in the next twenty four months, but right now nobody's
Speaker 3: doing anything. I mean the win win there. I think
Speaker 3: what might happen? I think you and I can probably.
Speaker 2: What was that? What was the Johnny Carson bit? You know?
Speaker 2: Or is he puts the puts the letter and opens
Speaker 2: it up here the.
Speaker 1: Great Karnak, Yeah, the Karnak Yeah, Karnak, yeah, Karnak.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like, what is quantitative easy? That's what we're
Speaker 2: gonna get.
Speaker 3: And when that happens, it always happens following that, when
Speaker 3: they get some new FED policy and there's you know,
Speaker 3: trillions dumped in or something, there will be this boon.
Speaker 3: There'll be like, you know, everything is happy and everybody's
Speaker 3: doing great, and then bitcoin will rise. There will be
Speaker 3: a sell off in gold at some point. It's a
Speaker 3: little bit of sell off. It'll pull back, maybe not
Speaker 3: that far, but there'll be some I think that's what
Speaker 3: happens a lot when when these in these times, when
Speaker 3: there is an opportunity to buy something, people will liquidate
Speaker 3: their gold holdings, which puts presser on the price. And
Speaker 3: so that'll come out, and I think bitcoin will go
Speaker 3: back over one hundred thousand, and we're not that far
Speaker 3: away from it'll top another one hundred thousand. But I
Speaker 3: don't in this current environment, A lot of these new
Speaker 3: technologies can't grow. Whether it's AI, whether it's crypto, it's
Speaker 3: just stagnant. It doesn't know what to do because the
Speaker 3: global order is being reset, higher, global economies being reset.
Speaker 3: So for the for the foreseeable future, it's commodities. And
Speaker 3: I think maybe in the maybe in the totality of
Speaker 3: this decade, in to this century, it's going to be commodities,
Speaker 3: rare earth minerals.
Speaker 2: Who controls things like crude oil and gold and silver
Speaker 2: and other things. I think real estate, timber the thing.
Speaker 2: I think those will be. That's true wealth. And then
Speaker 2: all of this stuff is speculative.
Speaker 1: So I got a question from somebody when you mentioned commodities.
Speaker 1: I got a question from somebody here. James Faithways says,
Speaker 1: can you ask Tony what he thinks of buying a
Speaker 1: little copper? I understand the premium is high and that
Speaker 1: it's not really considered to be a precious metal. But
Speaker 1: I can't seem to get a straightforward answer on it.
Speaker 1: So what do you think about that?
Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 3: If you can get copper, it's only going to look
Speaker 3: at copper against any currency. That's what you have to
Speaker 3: remember that if you're using fiat currency, whatever currency it
Speaker 3: is worldwide, whether it's the Chinese you on, whether it's
Speaker 3: Japanese in, whether it's the euro, whether it's the pound, sterling.
Speaker 3: If you're buying a commodity that has limit, that is limited,
Speaker 3: it's finite in this market. You're doing good, you're going
Speaker 3: to replace something. I mean copper, I wouldn't necessarily. I
Speaker 3: mean in history, the copper has been money because it's
Speaker 3: been the penny and other type of coins. We stop
Speaker 3: making copper pennies in nineteen eighty two, but there's still
Speaker 3: any penny prior to that is copper. If you go
Speaker 3: look at it the next time, you know, when you
Speaker 3: see a copper penny, you should save that. It's worth
Speaker 3: more than the scent, you know, put that away. So
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, copper is a is a Sometimes we
Speaker 3: put copper bullion rounds in for gifts and things like
Speaker 3: that into wolf Pack and to some of the direct
Speaker 3: purchases that we get wise wolf because it's just it's
Speaker 3: an extra little thing. But yeah, I mean I have
Speaker 3: actually have copper bars from a customer years and years ago,
Speaker 3: but they had like, you know, ten ounce twenty ounce
Speaker 3: copper bar.
Speaker 2: Yes, stack those and if at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: that's wealth.
Speaker 1: H especially when Trump is stacking taxes, you might want
Speaker 1: to you want to, yeah, stack.
Speaker 2: We're noting taxes on top of taxes. Yes, that's what
Speaker 2: I was, you.
Speaker 1: Know, start stacking it. Yeah, that's a uh yeah. You know.
Speaker 1: When you look at this, and we've talked about crypto before,
Speaker 1: I think the play that's going to happen is going
Speaker 1: to be stable coins because that's something that they're going
Speaker 1: to use. And we're seeing this more and more people
Speaker 1: talking about it. This article headline from zero Hedge stable
Speaker 1: coins supply to surge to two trillion dollars in order
Speaker 1: to support the US dollars hegemony. And I think that's
Speaker 1: exactly what the play is. When you look at Lutnik
Speaker 1: and his or Lootnick, whatever it is, when you look
Speaker 1: at his connection with Teather and how much he is
Speaker 1: in the Treasury bonds and things like that. As countries
Speaker 1: are getting more and more reluctant to buy the treasury bonds,
Speaker 1: they can get a stable coin to suck it up.
Speaker 1: And it's a dual win for them because they can
Speaker 1: use they can start to move us over to a
Speaker 1: digital currency. They can use that then to control us economically,
Speaker 1: to deny us being able to use it to track
Speaker 1: what we're spending, but then also soaks up their treasury
Speaker 1: bonds and their debt that as other people start to
Speaker 1: get reluctant to it. What do you think is going
Speaker 1: to happen with that? Is that the path that you
Speaker 1: see moving forward?
Speaker 2: Well, unfortunately, I think that's the trend.
Speaker 3: It has to come in that form, you know, based
Speaker 3: off of the rhetoric, you know, being anti CBDC.
Speaker 2: I always thought there was something underlying that. I think
Speaker 2: this is the what did the.
Speaker 3: Zigni Brazinski say, we need an in run around sovereignty?
Speaker 3: You know with the with the technocras, they needed an
Speaker 3: in run around it. They're going to do an in
Speaker 3: run around your perceived notion of CBDC.
Speaker 2: With stable coin.
Speaker 3: And you and it's really not that hard to suss
Speaker 3: out when you give it five minutes a thought because
Speaker 3: this this era of history, this this timeline, the the
Speaker 3: resetting of the global financial order, the the generational wealth
Speaker 3: that will be created, if you will, when they change
Speaker 3: the monetary system.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of this is on the table.
Speaker 2: I think they're looking at who will control the keys
Speaker 2: to some of these uh these technologies, blockchain, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: it won't be bitcoin. It won't be bitcoin.
Speaker 3: It I know too much about bitcoin and the and
Speaker 3: the decentralized network.
Speaker 2: It won't be bitcoin. I don't see it being that.
Speaker 2: I think. I think you're right.
Speaker 3: I think the the thing to watch is the stable
Speaker 3: coin and those who control that, and then you know,
Speaker 3: pairing that with things like the dollar. But it's worldwide,
Speaker 3: you know, and the Bank of International Settlements has been
Speaker 3: working on a the clearinghouse aspect of.
Speaker 2: This, uh the i m F with their un coin.
Speaker 3: It's all about centralization and the technology of blockchain, using
Speaker 3: these stable coins to get back somehow to what's the
Speaker 3: original goal. I don't think we've ever perhaps we've never
Speaker 3: left the uh, the paradigm of the just the old
Speaker 3: new there's nothing it's the old new world order. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's maybe we never really left that, and we just
Speaker 3: this is all a distraction to give us, you know,
Speaker 3: the illusion that there's you know, a populous uprising. But
Speaker 3: perhaps this has all just been a you know, and
Speaker 3: it looks more and more like that. It's like a
Speaker 3: funhouse mirror version for people like me that are nationalists
Speaker 3: and believe in think like the way that the country
Speaker 3: was built. And then you see you finally get the
Speaker 3: tariffs and then they're they're this, and you just go, well,
Speaker 3: that's not what I was, That's not what I meant,
Speaker 3: and you know, or you get this, it's this is
Speaker 3: a very strange time. So it's I think, you know,
Speaker 3: when you really just go back, well, perhaps this is
Speaker 3: just a it's all a pageant the world's stages, as Shakespeare.
Speaker 1: Said, Yeah, and uh, and Trump is an earthquake.
Speaker 2: He's it's just he's.
Speaker 1: Juggling the tariffs, you know. And are we not amused
Speaker 1: that seeing him change him every couple of hours. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's insane, what is happening with it? But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's stacking the taxes. And it is also the
Speaker 1: uncertainty and the you know, the capricious and arbitrary nature
Speaker 1: and and how it's constantly changing. That's what's really wrecking everything.
Speaker 1: You know, you and I have both agreed. Do we
Speaker 1: like tariffs better than we do an income tax? I
Speaker 1: like any kind of tax better than I like that.
Speaker 1: I don't like taxes. I don't think taxes are an
Speaker 1: engine of growth. But hey, you got people out there
Speaker 1: who are cheering it. Oh, we got to have tariffs.
Speaker 1: You know, it's what made America great. No, it isn't
Speaker 1: you know it was. It was the absence of taxes
Speaker 1: and a small government that made America great, and they
Speaker 1: forget that. But you know, we talk about this stable
Speaker 1: coin thing. It's interesting to see there's a couple of
Speaker 1: articles there on zera hedge. The first one talking I
Speaker 1: just called you the headline for about stable coin turning
Speaker 1: into two trillion dollars and soaking up the debts and
Speaker 1: you know, becoming soaking up the supporting the US dollars,
Speaker 1: sogimony and that type of thing. But then also the
Speaker 1: fact that the de banking issue with crypto has not
Speaker 1: been solved yet by the Trump administration. You know, that
Speaker 1: was going to be that was the attack that was
Speaker 1: coming on all the crypto community under Biden that's still
Speaker 1: an issue, and that's going to be an issue if
Speaker 1: we got stable coins, because they're going to be able
Speaker 1: to effectively debank individuals and stop you from buying certain things.
Speaker 1: You know, it might be a geofence around a particular area.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't take your coin out of your
Speaker 1: fifteen minute city or whatever. Maybe it's going to be
Speaker 1: a geofence around a particular item. You can't buy this
Speaker 1: kind of gun or guns at all, that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: So there's all these different ways that they can use
Speaker 1: it to control us, and I think that's where that's
Speaker 1: going to go. But with you know, with everything that's happening,
Speaker 1: as I said earlier, Peter Schiff said, this is what I've
Speaker 1: been talking about for years. This is the dollar bubble
Speaker 1: just burst. Was his statement about it. And he's not
Speaker 1: the only one saying that. I mean, he's a gold bug.
Speaker 1: He's always been saying that. But now there's articles on
Speaker 1: places like MarketWatch saying the US dollars role as the
Speaker 1: de facto global reserve currency is looking increasingly uncertain. They're
Speaker 1: going to have to pivot, just like they did when
Speaker 1: bretton Wortz too, where they went to the petro dollar.
Speaker 1: They're going to have to pivot to something else. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be the stable coin because and that's
Speaker 1: how they're going to try to preserve their their machiavellium
Speaker 1: power and then usher in the new technocracy as well,
Speaker 1: the surveillance state. I think that's I think that's where
Speaker 1: they're going to pivot.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think they'll say the advantage that they
Speaker 3: have there what makes it different this time is that
Speaker 3: they have the ability to expand and contract the money
Speaker 3: supply it will. They can do it in real time,
Speaker 3: and they can use this technology so we'll never get
Speaker 3: you know that we can always account for every single cent.
Speaker 3: That's the way they'll sell it, and this is the
Speaker 3: way we can con to be stable. It's a stable coin, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, something like that, But really it's about you know,
Speaker 3: we've said it for Captain Austin fitz has said, it's
Speaker 3: surveillance disguises money. That's what they haven't given up their goals,
Speaker 3: you know, for for these control grids and things that
Speaker 3: they want to do with the financial system. But at
Speaker 3: the same time a lot of things are out of
Speaker 3: their control. I mean, you look at the history of
Speaker 3: the dollar, and where we were in price structuring against gold,
Speaker 3: and then everything that's kept gold suppressed. I think all
Speaker 3: of those things, I think the wheels have come off.
Speaker 2: I think the the.
Speaker 3: Black Swan event was the tariffs in a lot of
Speaker 3: these countries. We look at Germany, Germany is absolutely worried
Speaker 3: about its gold holdings in the US. That's a country.
Speaker 3: It's not a it's not a corporation. I mean, it's
Speaker 3: a whole country that's like, hey, is this available?
Speaker 2: Can we get that?
Speaker 3: We need to you know, they they want an audit
Speaker 3: all that stuff that's going on that they're not They're
Speaker 3: not alone. And a lot of these vaults got cleaned out,
Speaker 3: you know the London bullyon market that got cleaned out.
Speaker 3: A lot of their holdings were repatriated. Nobody knew exactly.
Speaker 3: So when those contracts, you know, the stuff that they've
Speaker 3: papered over for years, David like hiding deep in those
Speaker 3: vall all these papers, you have to account for it.
Speaker 2: It's something I think. I think that it's anybody's guess
Speaker 2: at this point, and what where we end up on price,
Speaker 2: where we end up at anything, especially when the ultimate
Speaker 2: goal here of the Trump administration is not economic nationalism.
Speaker 3: It's quantitative easing. And so we just look that it's
Speaker 3: not about strengthening the dollar, it's not about having a state.
Speaker 3: It's about short term boons in the stock market. And
Speaker 3: I think that ultimately that's fake. If you're buying gold
Speaker 3: and silver right now, I think you're doing doing yourself
Speaker 3: a favor holding on, You're preserving your wealth. As the
Speaker 3: currencies of the earth continue to go to zero, all
Speaker 3: fiat currencies, folks, go to zero. History does not show
Speaker 3: me one single currency backed by nothing that stays around. Okay,
Speaker 3: that that's hung around. The average lifespan is twenty six years.
Speaker 3: I don't have to be, you know, some sort of
Speaker 3: seer or I don't have to be able to be
Speaker 3: nostra domics. You don't have to be you don't have
Speaker 3: to be the smartest man in the room. You just
Speaker 3: need a library card and you can figure this out.
Speaker 3: It's going to zero or it's going to a place
Speaker 3: where it's you don't recognize it.
Speaker 2: It's like that we talk about every week.
Speaker 3: I mean, go look at the price of silver in
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty it was fifty two dollars and fifty cents
Speaker 3: an ounce, well, that doesn't even make any sense today.
Speaker 3: I mean, right now, I'll look at the spot price.
Speaker 3: You're at thirty two dollars and seventeen cents an ounce,
Speaker 3: and it's twenty twenty five, and we debase the dollar
Speaker 3: trillions and trillions of times over. I mean, so what
Speaker 3: does that mean? Well, I just think all of this
Speaker 3: is the metrics. You're judging it the wrong way. There's
Speaker 3: something else underlying this, and I think the wheels are
Speaker 3: going to come off, and I think we'll see a
Speaker 3: true price value sooner than later.
Speaker 1: I agree, Yeah, I think you know, the fact that
Speaker 1: gold is taken off from silver and from bitcoin is
Speaker 1: a function of what a lot of foreign governments are doing.
Speaker 1: You know, they see gold as that currency of exchange,
Speaker 1: not necessarily these other things, and so I think they're
Speaker 1: piling into that a lot, and I think that the
Speaker 1: public has picked up on it. They look at gold
Speaker 1: as a safe haven. I look at it as privacy.
Speaker 1: You know, all these different commodities and things like that.
Speaker 1: I see it as a privacy issue, and I don't
Speaker 1: think you can put a price on privacy when you're
Speaker 1: talking about these digital currency. So regardless, you know, it's
Speaker 1: great if it goes up and I'm holding it or whatever.
Speaker 1: But you know, to me, it's really about the privacy,
Speaker 1: because I think that the stable coin thing is what
Speaker 1: they're pivoting towards, and that's going to be you know really.
Speaker 1: You know, they tied the petro dollar in there to energy,
Speaker 1: and of course that's something technocracy wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: they tied it to something that was real. But this time,
Speaker 1: as you point out, with the SG and all the
Speaker 1: rest of stuff, they're objectives are really about total control,
Speaker 1: and so they've got to have some kind of a
Speaker 1: digital currency, and the stable coin to be a way
Speaker 1: they can get that digital currency and still maintain their agimity.
Speaker 1: You know, when we look at what is happening, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at all these different headlines. Gold jumps one hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: gold up twenty five percent for the month or whatever.
Speaker 1: And how did they get was it thirty thirty three
Speaker 1: seventy something?
Speaker 2: Was it? Yes, it's almost thirty four hundred dollars an ounce.
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the calls now are four thousand wow. I
Speaker 3: think it's that there's you know, analysts in major banks
Speaker 3: that are saying four thousand wow.
Speaker 2: Because I mean, we're when you have d dollarization worldwide
Speaker 2: on what is the price of goal? Yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 2: is the price? I don't think we've I don't think
Speaker 2: we This isn't the price discovery. I don't think it's true.
Speaker 2: And much of what has happened over the years with
Speaker 2: uh Stewart Angler, you know who wrote the book Rigged,
Speaker 2: I've had my show. He's spent his entire like last
Speaker 2: thirty years looking at the gold price suppression and how
Speaker 2: they've done it. I don't think they can do it anymore, David.
Speaker 2: Perhaps they don't want to.
Speaker 3: Perhaps this is part of that, because it doesn't seem
Speaker 3: like anybody's putting an effort in.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Fed is watching gold.
Speaker 3: Believe me, The Federal Reserve is watching gold right now,
Speaker 3: very very closely, looking at this wondering what their next
Speaker 3: move is going to be, and the world is watching it.
Speaker 3: That's why I think that, you know, I said this
Speaker 3: back in December. I think gold is the world's reserve currency.
Speaker 3: The dollar has been supplanted. You go back into Basel
Speaker 3: three at Switzerland, the Bank of International Settlements in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty one, that's when they remove gold from a tier
Speaker 3: three asset to a tier one asset, and then central
Speaker 3: banks started you know, supplanting their holdings and they it
Speaker 3: surpassed the euro. So it was, you know, way down
Speaker 3: on the list, and now it's surpassed. The Euro is
Speaker 3: number two holdings of central banks around the world. The
Speaker 3: number one is the dollar. But I think that's only
Speaker 3: for transactional at this point, it's not about stability. I
Speaker 3: think the world is moving to gold faster than I
Speaker 3: thought possible. But it's certainly happening right before your eyes.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody was concerned about it and became more concerned
Speaker 1: because of Biden using it, weaponizing it back in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, and then Trump has just doubled and tripled
Speaker 1: down on it. It truly is amazing. I got a
Speaker 1: question from a high boost for you. He says, can
Speaker 1: you ask Toney, wouldn't it just be wise for businesses
Speaker 1: to wait four years and let the next selected president
Speaker 1: fix all of Trump's mistakes? Is he just the go
Speaker 1: In Dialecticckie says, that's there.
Speaker 3: I think we pay way too much attention to the
Speaker 3: so called policies of either party or whatever's going on,
Speaker 3: and you have to start thinking in terms of your
Speaker 3: own autem me and sovereignty and what's the best move
Speaker 3: if you think outside of politics, I mean whether what
Speaker 3: administration is going to do X, Y or Z. You know,
Speaker 3: David and I talked about this before the selection and
Speaker 3: we said what's going to I think we called it,
Speaker 3: you know, what's going to happen. We talked on Halloween, like,
Speaker 3: what's going to happen on the election, you know, if
Speaker 3: it goes Harris or goes Trump, and I think we
Speaker 3: called it.
Speaker 2: And now it's resetting itself.
Speaker 3: It didn't even matter, you know, because we throw the
Speaker 3: tariffs in and that I think, you know, the price
Speaker 3: of goal would probably be similar if there was a
Speaker 3: Harris presidency right now, because they'd be going after Crypto
Speaker 3: or something like that, or they'd take us to be
Speaker 3: deeper into the war with Russia and Ukraine or something like.
Speaker 3: There would be some policy difference, but the goals are
Speaker 3: always the same. Yes, you know, we're not fixing our
Speaker 3: fiscal house, we're not reigning in the empire. There's nothing
Speaker 3: new here. It's just the fundamentals are all there. So
Speaker 3: I think whether these what doesn't matter what administration you
Speaker 3: need to you know, bank on yourself, understand what the
Speaker 3: difference between currency and money, and you know, but there's
Speaker 3: always underlying opportunity in this too. I don't want to
Speaker 3: sound like an alarmist, but I don't think it's going
Speaker 3: to get better from the top down.
Speaker 2: And I definitely you know, if you've.
Speaker 3: Got a four oh one k or ira, folks, and
Speaker 3: there's a temporary lull, you really need to consider putting that.
Speaker 3: And this is not financial advice. Can I just crack
Speaker 3: at that? And I don't know where the prices of
Speaker 3: metals are going, but I I feel like I know
Speaker 3: where the prices of some of these stocks are going.
Speaker 3: And these pools of so called value, I don't think
Speaker 3: we're going to hold up well in an uncertain world
Speaker 3: or you know, any of the thing.
Speaker 2: Especially I said something. I looked at something the other
Speaker 2: day and I brought it up on the show.
Speaker 3: One point two trillion dollars of holdings of the mortgage
Speaker 3: backed securities, the same that acidic thing that that had
Speaker 3: like the China syndrome where it melted into the markets
Speaker 3: and caused the OA debacle.
Speaker 2: One point true trillion dollars of those holdings are held
Speaker 2: by foreign governments and the largest foreign government holder is China,
Speaker 2: so China can literally just you know, you're not going
Speaker 2: to win this if you're going after China with the stick.
Speaker 2: They've got too much.
Speaker 3: Leverage and they think long term. We think presidency to presidency.
Speaker 3: They think one hundred years in the future, and infrastructure.
Speaker 2: They'll lose for a.
Speaker 3: Long time just to win in the So you're not
Speaker 3: going to beat them that way. You know, if you
Speaker 3: really want to go after China, you would you create
Speaker 3: an atmosphere of liberty.
Speaker 2: You create an atmosphere you would have, you would incentivize,
Speaker 2: you would take off the regulations, you would you would
Speaker 2: give people certainty and incentive and that's that's the you know,
Speaker 2: just the same way you balance the budget, you know,
Speaker 2: follow the constitution. That's good.
Speaker 1: You have stability and freedom and liberty and stability and
Speaker 1: liberty would win every time. But instead they want to
Speaker 1: become like China. Right And because we've always seen this
Speaker 1: from all these presidents, remember George W. Bush, I wish
Speaker 1: I could be like the Chinese government just tell everybody
Speaker 1: what to do or you see tru dos and I
Speaker 1: love the fact that they can just tell people what
Speaker 1: to do. I wish I could do that. They all
Speaker 1: want that, and that's what we're seeing from Trump. You know,
Speaker 1: everything is an emergency, and the solution to every emergency
Speaker 1: is to let him make all the orders, you know,
Speaker 1: and dictate the solutions. And so you know, he wants
Speaker 1: to he wants to be like MAO or she or whatever,
Speaker 1: and so it's crazy, but that's where they're headed. And
Speaker 1: so the best thing that we can do, I think,
Speaker 1: is to try to get out of that system, try
Speaker 1: to maintain privacy as much as we can, try to
Speaker 1: prep for what is coming. And you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of people are looking at this, and the instinct of
Speaker 1: a lot of people, especially who've been in the stock market,
Speaker 1: as they see the stock market failing, they decide they're
Speaker 1: going to get into these gold and silver ETFs and
Speaker 1: that is not I wonder how they have been going
Speaker 1: because I first caught on to that. I did that
Speaker 1: myself for a while, and then I saw that when
Speaker 1: gold started to move, they weren't moving, and I thought,
Speaker 1: what's up with that? You know, why isn't that going
Speaker 1: Why is that going up? Why is it flatlining? And
Speaker 1: then I realized as I looked into it, it's like
Speaker 1: no they're not. This is not actually you know, an
Speaker 1: ounce of goal there that they're splitting in ten different ways,
Speaker 1: you know, selling you a share of it. No, that's
Speaker 1: just just another derivative, like the real estate market derivatives,
Speaker 1: you know, and you don't really own anything in that.
Speaker 1: So it's really key for people to have it on
Speaker 1: their own. That's when it's private, that's when they can't
Speaker 1: take it away from you. And when you've actually physically
Speaker 1: have it, you know, that's the key thing.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: Wasn't a Jefferson that said that paper was poverty something
Speaker 3: like that?
Speaker 2: Right, So we've got a paper is poverty.
Speaker 1: We got to the essence, didn't he? Of all these
Speaker 1: different things?
Speaker 2: It's so funny.
Speaker 3: Yesterday here in Dennison, Texas, I went by, talked to
Speaker 3: my accountants, my bookkeepers, and I'd just done a trade.
Speaker 3: I consolidated a lot of stuff I got to take
Speaker 3: to the trading floor and I held up a bag.
Speaker 2: I said, this is fifty thousand dollars and it was
Speaker 2: you know, gold one ouncedate. It was like, this is
Speaker 2: fifty thousand. They just looked at it and held it.
Speaker 2: They're like, that's not that's not a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like they thought it was gonna be
Speaker 3: like a suitcase or something like, No, that's fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: It's just a zip lock bag full of point. I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: that's that's what happened.
Speaker 3: I get, you know, and I go basically, you know,
Speaker 3: if you go back to this will be about five
Speaker 3: hundred dollars, you know, in nineteen seventy one.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Well, it's uh so tell us what's going on at
Speaker 1: at at Wiswolf I mentioned you're really pretty pretty heavy there.
Speaker 1: People are looking at this and you've got headlines saying,
Speaker 1: you know, gold is going to go hyperbolic and this
Speaker 1: may be the start of it. So there's a kind
Speaker 1: of a market media that's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what happens next.
Speaker 3: I think there's a strain on you know, there's strain
Speaker 3: on these institutions with this price going the way it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I like I like a stable price, Yes,
Speaker 3: I like just kind of clear cut and dry in
Speaker 3: and out that way.
Speaker 2: You know. I think there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: urban gold mining going on. What I mean by that.
Speaker 3: People are going to go through garage sales start going
Speaker 3: through their addicts, start looking just like they did in
Speaker 3: the seventies.
Speaker 2: With silver, I think there's.
Speaker 1: Just you're gonna have rappers pulling out their teeth and
Speaker 1: selling the guys.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've bought lots of teeth over the years.
Speaker 3: I've bought crazy things you couldn't believe. Between San Antonio
Speaker 3: and here and and Branson, I've bought some crazy things.
Speaker 3: But I think I'm going to see lots of urban
Speaker 3: gold mining. I think the price continues, especially in this environment.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's hard to say, David, what happens
Speaker 3: to supply. I think silver is an outlier right now.
Speaker 3: You know, price reflection, I don't think is is. I
Speaker 3: don't think that we have true valuation or even close
Speaker 3: to it now. So you know, if you're stacking silver,
Speaker 3: I think you're you're you're doing yourself a favor at
Speaker 3: some at some level because it's just super cheap based
Speaker 3: off of where everything that I know, I think silver
Speaker 3: is just a great thing to have. And if you
Speaker 3: have those those I rais and four one ks, you
Speaker 3: really ought to let us take a look at putting
Speaker 3: you in some bullion get you out of this you know,
Speaker 3: I think that this roller coaster ride and I don't
Speaker 3: know where we're headed, but it's a it might be
Speaker 3: advantageous for you to take a look at it, just
Speaker 3: converting that into something physical outside of the financial system
Speaker 3: that uh you know that it's you know, stored on
Speaker 3: the third party, that you know, these vaults that they're
Speaker 3: not in, that they're not a bank. And I don't
Speaker 3: trust these CEOs. I don't trust anybody who's wanting drone
Speaker 3: pile to cut rates. So and that's what they're all
Speaker 3: looking for. So I'm just I'm working on continuing to
Speaker 3: work on supply and infrastructure and wise Wolf's gonna stay lean.
Speaker 3: We have the wise Wolf Bitcoin uh where we're up
Speaker 3: and running. So if you've got you want to buy
Speaker 3: some bitcoin or you know, uh sell some bitcoin, we
Speaker 3: buy a sell and we have the ability for you
Speaker 3: to use it as cash for purchases. So if you've
Speaker 3: got some bitcoin you want to turn it into some
Speaker 3: some precious metals, give us a call'll be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it's always great talking to you, Tony. You
Speaker 1: really do appreciate your support of the program and the
Speaker 1: things that you've got there at wise Wolf. For the
Speaker 1: longest time, you said, we appreciate having stability. You know,
Speaker 1: for the longest time, we went through this period where
Speaker 1: you could gradually accumulate stuff, and you set up wise
Speaker 1: Wolf Wolf Pack to let people do that on a
Speaker 1: gradual basis. And we're seeing that, you know, the dollars
Speaker 1: losing a few percentage points of value every year, and
Speaker 1: it accumulates over the long term, and so that was
Speaker 1: kind of the long term stable thing of it. Now
Speaker 1: we're getting into craziness, and I guess you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are saying this is great because Trump
Speaker 1: is scaring everybody. He's making very much afraid of him
Speaker 1: because he's acting like a crazy man. But then you
Speaker 1: can only do that for so long, and then it's
Speaker 1: going to really backfire on you, and so we're gonna
Speaker 1: it's going to be a rough ride, I think. And
Speaker 1: so it's good to try to get out of the
Speaker 1: system as much as you can, try to get something
Speaker 1: of value that you can physically hang on to yourself.
Speaker 1: I think that's an important part of prepping, and you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of programs there to help people do that.
Speaker 1: It's been great to deal with you over the years
Speaker 1: and really do appreciate your support of this program. And
Speaker 1: you've got a program that's coming up right after this program.
Speaker 2: Is that correct today?
Speaker 3: And God willing if we can, there's no work going
Speaker 3: on in my house. Ardaburn Radio Transmission, eleven am Central Time.
Speaker 3: We'll kind of dive more into to these headlines and
Speaker 3: stuff that you and I have gone over.
Speaker 1: That's great, that's great. And where are you right now?
Speaker 1: Where are you broadcasting Twitter?
Speaker 2: Right now? I'm in Dennison, Texas.
Speaker 3: I'm on and I'm broadcasting over the X at Tony
Speaker 3: Arderburn and Rumble on the America Unplug channel. We're working
Speaker 3: on some new channels as well, so I'm looking at
Speaker 3: some new streaming stuff. I need to talk to you
Speaker 3: and Travis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah yeah. Kick looks like it's got
Speaker 1: a lot of nice features for streaming as well. It's
Speaker 1: really kind of set up for streaming. I think from
Speaker 1: what Travis was saying, I haven't looked at Travis's been
Speaker 1: the one who's taken care of that. But all right,
Speaker 1: So coming up on Rumble and on X right after
Speaker 1: this program, you can find up more from Tony and
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Speaker 1: island of stability in this storm, and that is physical
Speaker 1: metals that you hold yourself. Thank you so much, Tony
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you,