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<v Speaker 2>A little bit of thank you before we start the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Late last year, Karen talked me into adding Patreon to

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't sure I wanted to even bother with it, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was concerned about it turning what's a labor of

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<v Speaker 2>I'm definitely in favor of being paid for one's work,

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<v Speaker 2>but I wanted the show to be free, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>one of those people who gets annoyed by commercials. But

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<v Speaker 2>we put in the Patreon account and people actually started

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<v Speaker 2>a really nifty system. I like it, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>maybe to buy a book or DVD here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it turns out that over the past two months,

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<v Speaker 2>both Karen and I have had some very interesting challenges

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<v Speaker 2>in our life, and it turns out that the support

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<v Speaker 2>of those Patreon donations seriously helped make that a little

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<v Speaker 2>less painful. We are grateful for those donations, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not using this to beg for everybody to sign up

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<v Speaker 2>for it. I just wanted to say thank you very

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<v Speaker 2>clearly and sincerely to the people who donated to us,

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<v Speaker 2>because we both appreciate your support for the show and

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<v Speaker 2>you helped make Karen in my life a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>easier with your generosity, especially over here at Team Smith headquarters. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>from here on out, it'll be nice and lighthearted for

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually we're going to be talking about animal mutilations and

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<v Speaker 2>horrible disgusting stuff to do with monsters and dead livestock.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh do you still call it livestock if it's dead?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that an oxymoron?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it an ox and moron?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, it's actually quite unlike anything we've ever seen before.

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<v Speaker 4>A giant hairy creature park Ape part Mats in Luckness,

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<v Speaker 4>a twenty four a mile long bottomless lake in the

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<v Speaker 4>Highlands of Scotland.

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<v Speaker 1>If the creature known as the Luckness Monster.

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<v Speaker 2>Mormstertall Monster Talk is the science show about monsters. In

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, we'll be talking to Colin Schneider, aka the

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<v Speaker 2>Crypto Kid, who I met recently at Cryptodcon in Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully we'll be having some more interviews with people I

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<v Speaker 2>met there and get some good classic cryptid monster content.

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<v Speaker 2>But as I mentioned in a recent episode, I'm also

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<v Speaker 2>anxious to work on my series on magic, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be getting that going in our next two episodes as

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<v Speaker 2>we tackle grimoires. But for now, it's time for some

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<v Speaker 2>good old classic Mormsterta.

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<v Speaker 3>College.

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<v Speaker 2>Schneider's one of the youngest active already in and cryptosology

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<v Speaker 2>researchers in the United States. He's now seventeen years old,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's been doing this since you were sixteen, since

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<v Speaker 2>I was eleven, since you were eleven, so quite a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. And he's been involved in cryptosology and uphology

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<v Speaker 2>since he was thirteen. After he visited the International Cryptozoology

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<v Speaker 2>Museum in Portland, Maine.

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<v Speaker 3>Salute there to.

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<v Speaker 2>Lauren Coleman. Oh my god, Lauren, I'm so sorry. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna edit that out because I just had a brain fart. Colin,

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<v Speaker 2>here's another piece of advice. Never turned forty. It's all

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<v Speaker 2>downhill after that. A frequent attendee of conferences that about.

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<v Speaker 3>The Unexplained, Collin lectures at numerous.

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<v Speaker 2>Events around the Ohio and Pennsylvania area, he's also a

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<v Speaker 2>regional representative for the Center for Wordy and Zoology and

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<v Speaker 2>the host of the Crypto Kid radio show on WCJV

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<v Speaker 2>Digital Broadcasting Network and you can listen to that on

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<v Speaker 2>Monday nights. While A linked to that in the show notes,

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<v Speaker 2>and before we actually started this interview, you mentioned that

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<v Speaker 2>you were working with the CFC to increase teen outreach.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll talk about that a little bit, but I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna let Karen kick off the questions while I try

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<v Speaker 2>to recover my ability to speak English.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the show, Colin.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for having me. It's been a goal of

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<v Speaker 1>mine to come on the show for a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh fantastic. Well, thank you, and we're just very curious

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<v Speaker 5>to find out how you got interested in this field

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<v Speaker 1>I every interview I do about this, I always kind

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<v Speaker 1>of have a different answer, and it's a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of things. Goosebumps, the book series by R. L. Stein

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely a big influence in my interest in the stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But directly, the first thing I really heard about cryptology

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<v Speaker 1>from was Monster Quest History Channels show about Oh gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it slightly predates our show because it was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the first episode I ever saw was on the

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio Grassman, and it terrified me because they portrayed this

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<v Speaker 1>bigfoot creature as being hyper aggressive and it was literally

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<v Speaker 1>Off of his horse and killed him. Like that's not that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's scary. And so because it was scary, it interested me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just started looking more and more into this stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, every episode pretty much had Lauren Coleman on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I know exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually I've talked to him about that. They brought

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<v Speaker 2>him up for like one day and then film like everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. That's how Lauren always seemed like just this very knowledgeable,

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<v Speaker 1>grandfatherly figure that I don't know, I just was. I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of idolized him as a kid, and I

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<v Speaker 1>bought almost all of his books as soon as I could,

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<v Speaker 1>as soon as I got the money. And as you

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<v Speaker 1>as you mentioned at the beginning. I got a chance

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<v Speaker 1>when I was thirteen to go to the International Cryptusoology Museum,

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<v Speaker 1>and I remember walking out after me him and buying

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<v Speaker 1>every book in the gift shop with walking out with

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<v Speaker 1>a stack of books, all of my vacation money spent

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<v Speaker 1>before we even got to the place where we were

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<v Speaker 1>actually staying, thinking I want to do this for the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of my life. I want to be a monster hunter.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to look for these things. And I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>looked back since.

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<v Speaker 2>That's neat, you know. I actually we were just doing

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<v Speaker 2>a multi part episode on the Kentucky Goblins case, the

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Hopkinsville Goblins, and in that document, which was by

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<v Speaker 2>Blacker and Davis or Davis and Blacker, they mentioned Lauren

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<v Speaker 2>Coleman is part of the some of the research. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we're just talking about the Evansville sort of fish

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<v Speaker 2>man attack, and I thought.

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<v Speaker 3>My gosh, Laura's been around forever.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's he's he's he's really managed to take

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<v Speaker 2>sort of from John Keel maybe for my Sanderson, you

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<v Speaker 1>Sort of he was around during John Keels.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, And I think I.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to believe if I remember correctly, that he was

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<v Speaker 2>actually like helping out Sanderson. Maybe at one point.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Sanderson and Hoovelman's and Coleman all had lot.

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<v Speaker 1>They sent letters to each other, they were they worked

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<v Speaker 1>together on different projects. I remember in several books Lauren

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<v Speaker 1>said that Sanderson called him as man in the West.

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<v Speaker 3>That's nice. It's fun because we kind of ended up

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<v Speaker 3>doing the same sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we typically do it through email and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook groups and other things. But it is really fun

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<v Speaker 2>to collaborate on research across the country or across the world.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think one of my.

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<v Speaker 2>First collaborative projects was done with Kylie Sturgis and she

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I was in Colorado at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>We were working on it.

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<v Speaker 3>I was at the Stanley Hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was in the Stanley Hotel researching a ghost

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<v Speaker 2>case and Kylie was on the ground doing field work

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<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say for me if you were just it.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a nice cooperation across the world. So I

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<v Speaker 3>I love it. I love collaboration, and I think that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>This existed all this time.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, well hope sort. I think just take on

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<v Speaker 5>different perspectives and if you just work on something yourself,

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<v Speaker 5>you can get a bit of tunnel vision.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, right, absolutely also helps to be that voice

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<v Speaker 2>of sanity if you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Going down a rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, unless you intend to be going down a

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that's so.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you work by yourself, come on? Or do you

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<v Speaker 5>work with a team of others or.

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<v Speaker 1>I work pretty closely with a couple different people, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am anymore. I'm one of the major movers and

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<v Speaker 1>shakers in the Center for forwardian Zoology, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>largest cryptosoological organization in the world, which I will continue

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<v Speaker 1>to flaunt because I love the group and I think

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<v Speaker 1>that not only are we the biggest, but we're the best.

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<v Speaker 1>And working with John Downs, who is the director, has

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<v Speaker 1>just been amazing. He was, along with Coleman, one of

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<v Speaker 1>my childhood heroes, and now I talk to him basically

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<v Speaker 1>every day, and not just about krypsosology, but we've become

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<v Speaker 1>friends and we just chat about you know, Star Trek

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<v Speaker 1>and life, universe and everything, and it's just absolutely amazing

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<v Speaker 1>influenced how I think about things and how I look

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<v Speaker 1>at things and where my life is gone can be

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<v Speaker 1>a close friend of mine. And that's honestly one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons that I do this, as well as my

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<v Speaker 1>with people that I've lived my entire life looking up to.

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<v Speaker 3>Was it was it difficult to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get involved with him? Did you feel like you had to? Oh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>even with your young age, it wasn't a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>John is one of the few major cryptozoologists in the

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<v Speaker 1>field that is like anyone can go up to him

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<v Speaker 1>about anything and he will immediately like pay attention to

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<v Speaker 1>you and only you, and discuss whatever you need. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember when I first got involved. I was with the CFC.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about fourteen, and I was really nervous when

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Ronan Colon who lives in Ireland. And he

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not I mean, I am professional, but I also

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<v Speaker 1>like to joke around about things, sure, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was worried that when I contacted John about something

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<v Speaker 1>or other I don't even remember what it was. I

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<v Speaker 1>it to be like that. But I sent him a

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<v Speaker 1>message on Facebook because that's honestly the easiest way to

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<v Speaker 1>And it was the easiest thing in the world to

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<v Speaker 2>So what sort of things are you working on? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>So humble self promotion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's critical, absolutely, especially for a young person to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>That's actually really a really good point. I think we've

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<v Speaker 2>good idea. You know. I have that problem where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk to you because you've done such hard

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<v Speaker 2>into the topic that you were looking at.

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<v Speaker 5>What is the topic? What was the topic of your talk?

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<v Speaker 1>It was called blood Sucking Beasties and Shadowy Stalkers, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was looking at crypto attacks on livestock, but from

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<v Speaker 1>the viewpoint of like purported vampiric attacks.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, and extended far beyond, just like cattle mutilation.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, right, or the chewpacabra. I only talked about

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So the first thing that I heard about besides

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<v Speaker 1>the Chewpacaba with this was what's known as the Vampire

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<v Speaker 1>Beast of Bladenborrow or the Bladenburroo Cat. And it's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of one of those underground stories that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>researchers seem to be familiar with, but nobody's done a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like investigation to what actually happened. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it interested me because I love vampires and I love

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of a vampire cat because it's just fun.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happened was in December of nineteen fifty three

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<v Speaker 1>through January nineteen fifty four, this small town of Bladenborough,

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, had this rash of violent attacks on dogs, poultry, cats, sheep,

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<v Speaker 1>a handful of other livestock, as well as a rash

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<v Speaker 1>of what were said to be black panther attacked black

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<v Speaker 1>panther sightings and the whole town panicked. Over a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>hunters over the course of a couple of weeks started

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<v Speaker 1>with brandishing not just guns but clubs and big sticks

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<v Speaker 1>and whatever they could grab because they were panicking about

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<v Speaker 1>these animals, because they were worried that they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to attack a child or someone else, and they they

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<v Speaker 1>actually at one point outnumbered the town. There were so

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<v Speaker 1>many hunters from their states and around just the state

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<v Speaker 1>of North Carolina that were flocking to this town. And

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<v Speaker 1>so that level of massisteria fascinated me and I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>Mostly as complete as I can and get of a

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<v Speaker 1>timeline of newspaper articles about this creature. And what's really

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<v Speaker 1>interesting is, except for two examples there were there was

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<v Speaker 1>no real sighting of the black panther things around the Kills.

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<v Speaker 1>a woman a woman was looking at the sunset on

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<v Speaker 1>it away, it ran after her. Her husband came out

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<v Speaker 1>besides that, there were only kind of glimpses of a

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<v Speaker 1>strange looking beast in the outskirts when people discovered the

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<v Speaker 1>animals that were killed. Now, the reason that people thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was a vampire cat was because all of the

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<v Speaker 1>animals that were actually killed were killed in more or

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<v Speaker 1>less the same way. It was pretty gruesome. They were

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<v Speaker 1>their skulls were said to be crushed, their jaws were

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<v Speaker 1>ripped open. Some of them had their tongues removed, others didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>The animals were slashed on their sides, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>they were said to be drained of blood. Sometimes there

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<v Speaker 1>were puncture wounds on their necks, sometimes there weren't. It

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<v Speaker 1>would depend on the state of the animal at the

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<v Speaker 1>time whether or not they were you know, slash marks

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<v Speaker 1>on the neck to be able to determine if there

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<v Speaker 1>were puncture wounds there, and no one actually there were

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<v Speaker 1>no actual autopsies of the animals to determine whether or

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<v Speaker 1>not they were actually drained of blood. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>said that they were because they couldn't find any blood

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<v Speaker 1>around the animals, so it was just assumed that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a vampire creature attacking them. Bladen Burrow is a

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting little town. They actually hold a Bladenborough Beast

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<v Speaker 1>Festival every year and I've been wanting to go down

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years. I just haven't had a chance.

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<v Speaker 1>But what's interesting is, unlike places like Point Pleasant that

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<v Speaker 1>with the Mothman Festival or van Meter with the Van

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<v Speaker 1>Meter Visitor Festival. Bladenburrow's festival actually uses the creature to

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<v Speaker 1>fund their band program for the high school, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was kind of cool. And the Bladeborrow case has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of tropes that are seen in other cases

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<v Speaker 1>of these creature attacks that I really just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stumbled onto more of them and I decided, hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>would make a pretty good book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you want to talk about some of those

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<v Speaker 2>tropes of some of the things that you see.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah. THEASCA specific question about the panther sightings from Australia originally,

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<v Speaker 5>and we have a lot of those sightings. There are

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<v Speaker 5>big cat sightings and claims, and just in regards to

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<v Speaker 5>the origins of these claims, they're not native creatures to Australia,

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<v Speaker 5>but there are these different urban legends about how they

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<v Speaker 5>came to Australia. Some say that they escaped from a

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<v Speaker 5>zoo and other claims are that they were brought to

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<v Speaker 5>Australia by US servicemen during World War Two. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just wondering if you've got the same kind of theme

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<v Speaker 5>going here, either for the Bladenburgh claims or for elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 5>if you have different urban legends about the origins of

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<v Speaker 1>Not really. The area where most of these attacks are

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<v Speaker 1>is the that I've that I found at least is

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<v Speaker 1>the eastern side of the United States, kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi's kind of the dividing line here and after east

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<v Speaker 1>And when they're associated with panthers, uh, generally they're said

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<v Speaker 1>to be mad panthers, mad mountain lions. And despite the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that they're said to be extinct, pretty much anyone

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<v Speaker 1>you talk to in these areas where I live down

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<v Speaker 1>North Carolina, even up in Maine, UH will tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that they're still here. Now I'm not making a claim

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<v Speaker 1>that they are, but it's very much a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the rural culture that mountain lions are here. The government

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't want to admit it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's true.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, the the these stories out out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's that's always that government cover up angle. I

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<v Speaker 2>hear that over and over again in these online stories

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<v Speaker 2>and in in various places where here among where there's

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<v Speaker 2>coast to coast, two different people calling in and telling stories.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that angle that the government's trying and suppress it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want us to know about these animals. I

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<v Speaker 2>find that so interesting, Like why there's that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>conspiratorial anti big government angle going on with it Bladenboro.

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<v Speaker 1>No one ever met, actually, as far as I could tell,

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<v Speaker 1>made a claim that it was a mountain lion. But

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<v Speaker 1>panther is synonymous with mountain lion in the area, so

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<v Speaker 1>just by calling it a panther, they kind of did

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<v Speaker 1>say it might have been. But there were three or

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<v Speaker 1>four bobcats that were killed in the area during the panic.

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<v Speaker 1>And actually there was an animal, strange spotted cat that

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<v Speaker 1>some speculated was an ocelot that was actually hit by

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<v Speaker 1>a car at the same time. And I've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to track down whatever happened to it, but I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>found a single thing concerning it. Also, there was an

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<v Speaker 1>unusually large dog named Big Boy that apparently escape a

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<v Speaker 1>week before the attack started happening, and Zeke Stanton, the

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<v Speaker 1>for it. So that was also one of the explanations

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<v Speaker 1>that was being passed around what year was this again,

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<v Speaker 1>December of nineteen fifty three through January nineteen fifty four.

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<v Speaker 3>Back to the ex sanguination part of things.

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<v Speaker 2>In your talk, you mentioned some things that I think

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<v Speaker 2>are not said often enough about some of the reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why an animal that's found dead on a farm might

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<v Speaker 2>seem to have been drained of blood but might not be.

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<v Speaker 3>Could you talk about that a little.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to preface this by saying that I have

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<v Speaker 1>done extensive research into what happens when an animal dies

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<v Speaker 1>to the blood and the attack methods of these animals,

431
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<v Speaker 1>of known animals. Even though I'm not a zoologist, I

432
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<v Speaker 1>have done the research and I can back it up

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<v Speaker 1>with credible sources. So when something dies, the heart stops pumping,

434
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<v Speaker 1>the blood thickens, and gravity takes over and kind of

435
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<v Speaker 1>pulls the blood at the bottom of the body where

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<v Speaker 1>the center gravity is. And this process is called lividity.

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<v Speaker 1>And what happens is UH even if you like pick

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<v Speaker 1>up the animal, move it around, or you know, even

439
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<v Speaker 1>cut into the animal, you probably won't find blood because

440
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<v Speaker 1>it's all pulled into UH one area. And I've read

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<v Speaker 1>several interviews with UH with veterinarians talking about this saying

442
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<v Speaker 1>how it can be incredibly difficult to actually determine whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not an animal has been exsanguinated. So even if

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<v Speaker 1>you're you know, you're an experienced hunter or farmer or

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<v Speaker 1>police officer like most of the people who look at

446
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<v Speaker 1>these animals are, they would not be able to tell

447
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<v Speaker 1>whether or not the animal has actually been drained of blood.

448
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<v Speaker 1>Another another factor that does contribute to the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>these animals being uh, these creatures being vampiric is UH,

450
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<v Speaker 1>many of these animals that will go out and kill livestock,

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<v Speaker 1>domestic dogs, wild dogs, pretty much any kind of cat

452
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<v Speaker 1>on the planet, h and handful of others. Most of

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<v Speaker 1>them will attack the throat and UH, there's a process there.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a behavior called surplus killing in which a coyote

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<v Speaker 1>or a wolf for most carnivores, will start attacking animals

456
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<v Speaker 1>when there's a high number of them, and they will

457
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<v Speaker 1>just kill and kill and kill until the entire group

458
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<v Speaker 1>is gone. And generally, when these animals attack, they just

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<v Speaker 1>get them in the throat and then move on. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked I live right across from a farm, and

461
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<v Speaker 1>doing research for my book, I went over there because

462
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<v Speaker 1>I was curious. I wanted to know if just the

463
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<v Speaker 1>average farmer knows about some of these things. And even

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<v Speaker 1>though we have coyotes in the area and I constantly

465
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<v Speaker 1>hear about coyotes attacking the animals, he was not familiar

466
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<v Speaker 1>with lividity or surplus killing because it is surplus killing

467
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<v Speaker 1>is a rarer occurrence, but when it does happen, it

468
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<v Speaker 1>can be devastating. I know of an example where a

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<v Speaker 1>pack of wolves of like three or four slaughtered over

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred elk in just a handful of hours. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>in some of these cases. There's a case in seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seven by Salem, Ohio, where one hundred and thirty four

473
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<v Speaker 1>sheep were killed and by an unseen animal, just by

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<v Speaker 1>a bite on the throat in a single night.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>And it must have been really difficult to count them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people kept falling asleep while trying to get

478
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<v Speaker 2>the numb. Sorry, no, but that is you actually hit

479
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<v Speaker 2>on something I really think is under not under reported.

480
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what the right word is. The fact

481
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:44.279
<v Speaker 2>is that you can become a farmer. There's not like

482
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>a high barrier to entry from an educational perspective, and

483
00:28:47.119 --> 00:28:51.759
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing in farming training that's really all about, you know,

484
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 2>here's what happens to your livestock after it dies, you know,

485
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.680
<v Speaker 2>keeping it alive. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty common. But I

486
00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 2>don't think people really understand what happens when animals die.

487
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<v Speaker 2>And right, right, it's just I mean that's not your goal.

488
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean your goals to keep the animals alive, help

489
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>them reproduce, get them to market or whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And and there's just a lot of ignorance out there

492
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 2>about what happens after animals die. And I see this

493
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:23.000
<v Speaker 2>again and again where relatively mundane, normal, post mortem things

494
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:28.319
<v Speaker 2>happen to creatures and it completely confounds the general public. Well,

495
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.039
<v Speaker 2>we talk about that on things like the Montauk Monster,

496
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.599
<v Speaker 2>where you have a mundane animal soaking in water, gets

497
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>washed up on the shore and it looks weird because

498
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 2>the hair is off of it, So a hairless animal

499
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 2>suddenly it's a monster. No, not really, but to the

500
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 2>general public it looks unusual. You know, animals that are starved,

501
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:51.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, animals that are deformed. There's there's all kinds

502
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:54.720
<v Speaker 2>of really mundane things that happen that can transform something

503
00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 2>completely normal or within the spectrum of normal into something

504
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>quite mysteriou and it's really I think once people have

505
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>embraced a sort of paranormal or unusual explanation, it's hard

506
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>to talk them down from that. You know, someone's convinced

507
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>that that there's a blood sucking monster killing their livestock,

508
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it's hard to convince them, no, your live stock's dying,

509
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 2>but it's something normal, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that part of the reason that not many

511
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>people know about what happens after animals die is because

512
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the topic is kind of taboo. It's kind of gory

513
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<v Speaker 1>and gross, and not a lot of people are comfortable

514
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<v Speaker 1>bringing it up. I'm a little I'm a little disturbed,

515
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<v Speaker 1>so I think it's interesting, But I do when I

516
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.119
<v Speaker 1>do talk about these things, I do have to preface

517
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.319
<v Speaker 1>it during my talks that it can be a little gross,

518
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>and I always try to dial it back right right.

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<v Speaker 5>Even when it comes to food, we're so far removed

520
00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 5>from the way that animals are killed and our food sources,

521
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:02.920
<v Speaker 5>and people used to butcher animals on their farms and

522
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 5>just make use of all of the different parts of

523
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.160
<v Speaker 5>the animals, and nowadays everything's wrapped up in cling wrap

524
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:13.480
<v Speaker 5>in a supermarket, and so we certainly don't know about

525
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 5>how animals are killed, how they die, and what becomes

526
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 5>of them. It's not something people want to know about nowadays.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I think Karen, you're, or at least you

528
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 2>have been, a vegetarian, right I don't know if.

529
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.839
<v Speaker 5>You still grew up vegetarian. My mother is vegetarian, and

530
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.440
<v Speaker 5>so I've had periods of my life of being vegan vegetarian.

531
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:36.519
<v Speaker 5>Right now, I'm pescatarian, so I eat seafood, but not

532
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:37.759
<v Speaker 5>other different kinds of meat.

533
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.799
<v Speaker 2>That's like Anglican right esscapalian.

534
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:46.319
<v Speaker 5>It sounds religious, it really does.

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<v Speaker 2>I come from a family where, like both of my

536
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>sisters are vegetarian.

537
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:54.599
<v Speaker 5>And really in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 3>In Georgia, but.

539
00:31:55.759 --> 00:32:01.720
<v Speaker 2>My family has been farmers, ranchers, and so I grew

540
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.759
<v Speaker 2>up around the farm. I help process animals, and I'm

541
00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:12.839
<v Speaker 2>definitely a carnivore. Although I've experimented with vegetarianism, so I.

542
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 3>Know I'm capable of doing it. It's not my thing.

543
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:19.519
<v Speaker 2>But like John Clee said, if the Lord didn't want

544
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.200
<v Speaker 2>us to eat animals, why did he make them out

545
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:21.519
<v Speaker 2>of meat?

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00:32:21.640 --> 00:32:22.119
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

547
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:28.880
<v Speaker 2>But the reason I say it is the there are.

548
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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I guess we'll probably have to slap a

549
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:32.160
<v Speaker 2>explicit label on this.

550
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Episode because we're going to talk about gross stuff.

551
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>But a lot of the things that happen in some

552
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 2>of these animal predations where a farmer comes upon his

553
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 2>cow or his sheep and mysterious things have happened to it.

554
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking about the cattle mutilation cases. They always talk

555
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:54.000
<v Speaker 2>about the anus being cored out, or the genitalia being removed,

556
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:58.240
<v Speaker 2>the eyeballs being removed, you know, like laser precision cuts,

557
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.200
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing. These are all the sort of

558
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:05.400
<v Speaker 2>things that happen during normal attacks by predators that they

559
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>go for the easy entry. Animal hides tough. It's hard

560
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 2>to get in there. With the peculiar exception of rabbits,

561
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 2>I think generally speaking, it's hard to skin an animal.

562
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know why rabbits come up, but they do.

563
00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>But but yeah, so eating like animals will eat out

564
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:25.240
<v Speaker 2>the rectum of a kill, and they'll tear off the

565
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.000
<v Speaker 2>genitalia and then that'll dry out in the sun, or

566
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, different things will tighten it and stretch it.

567
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.759
<v Speaker 2>As the animal gets distended by the gases expanding inside

568
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 2>its body. They can change the shape of the wounds.

569
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<v Speaker 2>There's lots of things that happen that are completely nasty

570
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:44.240
<v Speaker 2>to discuss, but which can lead to really peculiar interpretations

571
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:44.839
<v Speaker 2>by people.

572
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:49.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm really glad you brought up cattle mutilation.

573
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<v Speaker 2>I thought we were gonna say rectums being eaten out,

574
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 2>because I thought, no, that's really discussing else well.

575
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<v Speaker 1>Well, doing research on this topic and being very public

576
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.319
<v Speaker 1>about what I'm doing because partially because I want to

577
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>get some more recent attacks from people, because I don't

578
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:13.679
<v Speaker 1>have any Almost all of the stuff that I have

579
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.000
<v Speaker 1>in my book that I'm working on right now is

580
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>from newspapers or police reports or those type of first

581
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 1>firsthand stories that do have a lot of flaws in them.

582
00:34:27.840 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 1>They don't always cover this right thing, they don't always

583
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 1>have accompanying pictures. It can be really hard to determine

584
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.280
<v Speaker 1>what attack these animals just from the vague descriptions in

585
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:42.519
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper. But people bring up cattle mutilations all the time,

586
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 1>and it's something I'm very adamant about not being connected

587
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.599
<v Speaker 1>because just because it's weird doesn't mean that it has

588
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 1>to be connected to this other weird thing. And in fact,

589
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:58.480
<v Speaker 1>they don't really have a lot of similarities besides an

590
00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:03.079
<v Speaker 1>animal being dead. A lot of the times, the reason

591
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:09.199
<v Speaker 1>the uh creature that creatures are being blamed is because

592
00:35:09.360 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 1>they're either seen in the area at the same time,

593
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:16.880
<v Speaker 1>or there are clear signs of predation flat out that

594
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.320
<v Speaker 1>anyone can tell, like they're they're bite marks instead of

595
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, the the apparent surgical cuts. Also, what what

596
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:32.039
<v Speaker 1>really does make these appear to be weird is just

597
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 1>the high level of animals that have been killed. There

598
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:41.840
<v Speaker 1>was a case in nineteen seventy December el Reno, Oklahoma.

599
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<v Speaker 1>It gave us the great name of the Abominable Chicken Man.

600
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<v Speaker 1>There was this There was this anonymous farmer that was

601
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.079
<v Speaker 1>sitting in his home at night when he heard his

602
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.280
<v Speaker 1>chicken squawking out in the out in his coop. They

603
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.480
<v Speaker 1>sounded like they're being attacked. So he grabbed his gun

604
00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 1>went outside to go see what was going on. And

605
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 1>the light in the coop was on, the door was

606
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 1>ripped off and broken in half, and there were just

607
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 1>feathers everywhere, but no birds. He had about He had

608
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>about one hundred pen chickens in there and they were

609
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:35.159
<v Speaker 1>all gone. What what makes this weird? Other than chickens

610
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:40.840
<v Speaker 1>disappearing was that apparently on the ground there were these

611
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:46.079
<v Speaker 1>giant human like footprints, and on the walls and the

612
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 1>door there were bloody handprints. The farmer and then local

613
00:36:54.559 --> 00:37:01.360
<v Speaker 1>newspaper sent photos of these prints to Lawrence Curtis, who

614
00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 1>was at the time the director of the Oklahoma City Zoo,

615
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:09.079
<v Speaker 1>and they also actually shipped him the door from the

616
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.920
<v Speaker 1>chicken coop, which I found interesting. Apparently he actually kept

617
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>the door in his office until he retired, which I

618
00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:23.719
<v Speaker 1>just find quite amusing. And Curtis was unable to determine

619
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<v Speaker 1>what made them. He said that they kind of looked

620
00:37:27.400 --> 00:37:31.239
<v Speaker 1>like a cross between a bear and a human, but

621
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't sure. He said they were definitely sorry, a

622
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.039
<v Speaker 1>gorilla and a human. Sorry. He said they were definitely

623
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:41.840
<v Speaker 1>not bear and they but they were definitely primate. And

624
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.280
<v Speaker 1>that was about as far as he was willing to go.

625
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>It was never really explained how if this was a

626
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.880
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot like people claim. It was never really explained how

627
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:58.599
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot managed to steal one hundred and ten chickens within

628
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the span of a couple minutes. I'm pretty skeptical of

629
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<v Speaker 1>the case because it was the farmer was very was anonymous,

630
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.400
<v Speaker 1>and there were not a lot of details given about

631
00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the area and certain things, so it might have happened.

632
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<v Speaker 1>I think it did happen, but I don't I'm not

633
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<v Speaker 1>sure if it happened in the way that the newspapers

634
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:26.480
<v Speaker 1>said it happened. And unfortunately Curtis has passed on as

635
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:30.119
<v Speaker 1>far as I can tell, so I have I'm just

636
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.239
<v Speaker 1>not able to get in contact with him. Yeah, for

637
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:39.320
<v Speaker 1>obvious reasons. But it does kind of show that the

638
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>high number of animals that were purportedly killed or were

639
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 1>missing were was the weird factor there.

640
00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.760
<v Speaker 2>It's a peculiar case. When you talked about that in Kentucky,

641
00:38:51.800 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was.

642
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:56.800
<v Speaker 3>It seemed like almost like fraud.

643
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Because like, like, that's a lot of chickens to go.

644
00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:05.800
<v Speaker 3>So either the guys the right right or or the timeline.

645
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Wrong or or are it's you know, he's covering up something.

646
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't, although I can't imagine he had chicken insurance,

647
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

648
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:14.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was thinking.

649
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.639
<v Speaker 1>It's also one of those stories where it's been written

650
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 1>about quite a few times. Lauren Coleman and Jerome Clark

651
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 1>wrote about it in their Creatures from the Outer Edge

652
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>John Keel wrote about it in his Strange Creatures from

653
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Time and Space. Colin and Janet Board wrote about it.

654
00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.280
<v Speaker 1>Quite a few people have talked about this case, but

655
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:42.199
<v Speaker 1>none of them expressed any kind of doubt that it happened,

656
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.440
<v Speaker 1>and none of them gave any other possible explanations. I

657
00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:50.519
<v Speaker 1>don't think that the question of how did a bigfoot

658
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>manage to get one hundred and ten chickens out of

659
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>a chicken coop within probably five to ten minutes?

660
00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 3>Hey, have you ever been around it chicken coop?

661
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

662
00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I have too.

663
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.400
<v Speaker 2>The very idea of trying to round up that many

664
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.280
<v Speaker 2>chickens at once as an animal seems absurd. I mean, like,

665
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.519
<v Speaker 2>you can get an animal, like if you can get

666
00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>get a dog, a really hungry dog in a chicken coop,

667
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 2>it could kill a lot of chickens really quick, but

668
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:21.519
<v Speaker 2>it can't get rid of them right like even you

669
00:40:21.519 --> 00:40:24.320
<v Speaker 2>know that's that's a little peculiar. Chickens are really good

670
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.719
<v Speaker 2>at getting away.

671
00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:31.960
<v Speaker 5>It does sound like a mistake with the timeframe. That's

672
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 5>just on the surface of things.

673
00:40:34.079 --> 00:40:38.760
<v Speaker 1>And that that's one of the reasons that it's really

674
00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:44.360
<v Speaker 1>hard to use just newspapers for these kind of reports

675
00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 1>because you know, a lot of things these newspapers are

676
00:40:47.760 --> 00:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>small town h so the only reason they're talking about

677
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.199
<v Speaker 1>this stuff is because they know people will buy it.

678
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 1>And it's vaguely interesting, more interesting than who married who

679
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:03.559
<v Speaker 1>last Saturday. So so oftentimes they'll play up things like

680
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>they'll play up, oh, it was a vampire, or and

681
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:11.960
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and ten chickens were just gone, that type

682
00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 1>of thing, and it can be really hard to determine

683
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 1>what was I hate to say falsified, but what was

684
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:25.079
<v Speaker 1>played up or emphasized for effect versus what actually happened.

685
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:28.159
<v Speaker 1>And some details are just flat out left out, like

686
00:41:29.800 --> 00:41:33.239
<v Speaker 1>sometimes in some of the older newspaper stories, because I

687
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.159
<v Speaker 1>have things that go back to the eighteen seventies some

688
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of these stories. In a lot of them, women if

689
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.639
<v Speaker 1>they're married, they won't actually have their own name. It'll

690
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 1>be missus, the their husband's name, and it'd be really

691
00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>hard and really frustrating as a researcher because I hate

692
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:56.400
<v Speaker 1>to just say that. And also they'll they'll call people

693
00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 1>by their nicknames, and just by their nicknames, sometimes the

694
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:04.079
<v Speaker 1>last name won't even be given, so it can make

695
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:09.159
<v Speaker 1>it almost impossible to try to track down anybody.

696
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, that's uh.

697
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at a newspaper that hangs on the

698
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.400
<v Speaker 2>wall in one of my favorite restaurants in my hometown,

699
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 2>and they had like a tenth anniversary opening special. It

700
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 2>was just like an ad for the paper for that

701
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:26.119
<v Speaker 2>restaurant that was ten years after it opened. So this

702
00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:28.599
<v Speaker 2>was I think nineteen fifty five. The restaurant open in

703
00:42:28.639 --> 00:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty five. And then on the same page they

704
00:42:31.920 --> 00:42:36.000
<v Speaker 2>had all these other local news stories and for some reason,

705
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:37.679
<v Speaker 2>while I was waiting for my order, I just started

706
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 2>reading the other news stories and it was it was

707
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:41.840
<v Speaker 2>funny what passed for news back then. So it was

708
00:42:41.880 --> 00:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>things like, you know, John Smith had a birthday party

709
00:42:45.760 --> 00:42:48.960
<v Speaker 2>and his favorite kids arrived and all you know it,

710
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, you know, the Parkinson's are having a

711
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 2>visitor from out of town and she's gonna be staying

712
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:56.760
<v Speaker 2>for a whole week, and I'm like, how is this news?

713
00:42:56.840 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>How is this in the newspaper?

714
00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 5>Exactly when I was doing research into the Silver Cliff Cemetery,

715
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.000
<v Speaker 5>I was looking at a newspaper from the nineteenth century

716
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.159
<v Speaker 5>and it was called The Wet Mountain Tribute, and everything

717
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 5>was just like that really mundane stuff.

718
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I think we've talked about briefly it's

719
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 2>not really one of our regular episode topics, but the

720
00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Great airship Mystery, and then maybe like the Aurora, Texas

721
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:27.719
<v Speaker 2>UFO crash. Those newspapers at the time, they seem to

722
00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 2>mix fiction and reality just absolutely seamlessly, with disassumed everybody

723
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:36.159
<v Speaker 2>who was reading it would know what was real.

724
00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 3>And what's a tall tale.

725
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.599
<v Speaker 2>It was a different time, and I think there's been

726
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:44.199
<v Speaker 2>these like this is a suspicion. I haven't actually done

727
00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>any formal researches, but I suspect there's been rises and

728
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>falls in the way that American journalism has like you know,

729
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.400
<v Speaker 2>press for accuracy and then it's dropped away and pressed

730
00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.159
<v Speaker 2>for accuracy has dropped away.

731
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.159
<v Speaker 3>And it's different. Editors come and go. I imagine there's

732
00:43:58.199 --> 00:43:58.880
<v Speaker 3>pressure on that.

733
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think we actually probably need to do an

734
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 2>episode on the sort of the role of journalism because

735
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I feel like these forty in topics and monster topics they.

736
00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.360
<v Speaker 3>Get short shrift in general.

737
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 2>I think unless human beings are killed, in general, these

738
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 2>stories are given like here's a curiosity, here's a bit

739
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.159
<v Speaker 2>of news that we're never going to follow up on

740
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, if you're a researcher fifty years from now,

741
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 2>good luck with it, because we're giving you just enough

742
00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to sell a newspaper and we don't really care what

743
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the outcome is.

744
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:36.679
<v Speaker 3>And they did the same thing on the news. Now

745
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:37.440
<v Speaker 3>we talk about it.

746
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.159
<v Speaker 2>A lot, where it's you know, here's a spooky story,

747
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.960
<v Speaker 2>here's a mysterious video. We're playing the X Files music,

748
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 2>and now we'll never know what it was, right, it

749
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.559
<v Speaker 2>just goes out right at the end of the show.

750
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.920
<v Speaker 2>It's just that's mysterious, that's all it. And they always

751
00:44:50.920 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 2>do the around Halloween too, where they play up a

752
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.199
<v Speaker 2>lot of is it ghost?

753
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Is it really?

754
00:44:55.679 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 5>You decide?

755
00:44:56.639 --> 00:45:00.280
<v Speaker 2>It's oh, I hate it, I hate it, Oh my gosh.

756
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 1>I think what's really interesting about these type of attacks

757
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 1>is even more so than just the general monster story.

758
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>These can get people riled up and get people working together,

759
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.039
<v Speaker 1>and that actually allows the newspapers to be able to

760
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 1>cover it more generally. Some of these cases, it's like

761
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.000
<v Speaker 1>a blow by blow daily thing. Even if there were

762
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:26.239
<v Speaker 1>no sightings or attacks for a week, they're still talking

763
00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 1>about who went out on an expedition looking for this

764
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>creature and who did what who freaked out about this?

765
00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:37.760
<v Speaker 1>And then they'll just rewrite all of the encounters. And

766
00:45:37.800 --> 00:45:44.000
<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting because it's unique in the sense that

767
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 1>there's no other real level of constant reporting on these

768
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.440
<v Speaker 1>type of things. But then once people get tired of it,

769
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:56.920
<v Speaker 1>it'll just drop off and you'll never hear about it again.

770
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.320
<v Speaker 1>One of the other really interesting things about some these

771
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>cases is I'm not quite sure if it can be

772
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:07.280
<v Speaker 1>seen in other monster stories, but in some of these

773
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I found that the creatures kind of are used as

774
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 1>a backdrop for other conversations in the town. There was

775
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 1>a case, oh man, I can't remember. I think it

776
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was in Massachusetts in the fifties, and there was a

777
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of cat sightings and a handful of dogs

778
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 1>were attacked, But that wasn't as important to the newspapers

779
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:44.159
<v Speaker 1>as the factory workers that were quitting to hunt for

780
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the cat because they were upset that the dump across

781
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 1>the street was smelling the High Heaven because it was summer,

782
00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>so they decided to all quit their jobs temporarily and

783
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>go and hunt for the cat until the stench went away.

784
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:08.519
<v Speaker 1>And that was covered eight days in a row. Wow,

785
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 1>there's so many unique aspects to some of these stories.

786
00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 1>There was another case in Granby, Connecticut in the forties

787
00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:25.519
<v Speaker 1>where the state Fish and Wildlife director said that if

788
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:30.079
<v Speaker 1>anyone catches the panther, he would personally grill it and

789
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:32.599
<v Speaker 1>feed it to the first one hundred people that show

790
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>up his house. Wow, and that that case had a

791
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.440
<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of peculiarities. There were a bunch of teens

792
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:46.639
<v Speaker 1>that were out in one of the local wildlife preserves

793
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>that were making out and some of the boys had

794
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.239
<v Speaker 1>guns and they were claiming that they were hunting for

795
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>the cat that was attacking sheep and rabbits in the area,

796
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 1>and they got arrested, and newspaper headlines said Granby cat

797
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:10.599
<v Speaker 1>used as alibi for Oh, I think it was uh

798
00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 1>canoodling teams.

799
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's funny, And.

800
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the While there are a lot of

801
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 1>flaws with, you know, some of the how these stories

802
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:28.360
<v Speaker 1>are portrayed in the media, you also get some of

803
00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the interesting SaaS and commentary on other things in the

804
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.920
<v Speaker 1>town using these creatures as kind of the the way

805
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.079
<v Speaker 1>to get this discussion going. I think it's it's one

806
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:43.320
<v Speaker 1>of the more unique aspects of these things that you

807
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 1>don't always see in other aspects of uh Fortyana.

808
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, I have to say I commend you for bothering

809
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 2>to go back to the original resource, you know, the

810
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>primary sources wherever you can.

811
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.320
<v Speaker 3>There's so many people do that. Well it's thrue and there's.

812
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>There's so many Fortian researchers who are basically just clearing

813
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:04.960
<v Speaker 2>houses for these stories and they don't really filter them

814
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>or evaluate them or do any additional work. And so

815
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I think you're on the right path here, you know,

816
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.840
<v Speaker 2>trying to get back to the primary sources, doing interviews

817
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 2>if you can, get in touch with actual witnesses, that

818
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:19.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of thing. So and applying some critical thinking to

819
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:19.920
<v Speaker 2>these topics.

820
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 3>So what's your show like if people wanted to check

821
00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:25.760
<v Speaker 3>it out? What sort of things do you do?

822
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:27.880
<v Speaker 2>I I've only had a chance to listen to one episode,

823
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and it was an interview with the guy who does

824
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 2>small town Monsters, and I was enjoying that, but I

825
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't get to finish the whole thing before we got

826
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 2>out here tonight.

827
00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was a crazy episode. Did you get

828
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 1>to the point with the raccoon?

829
00:49:39.039 --> 00:49:40.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's actually exactly where I stopped.

830
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.760
<v Speaker 2>He's like, he was staying in a cabinet Tennessee, and

831
00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 2>a raccoon just showed up in.

832
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:44.519
<v Speaker 3>The middle of the interview.

833
00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, So that's one of the beauties of doing

834
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:49.719
<v Speaker 5>live radio.

835
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yah, I so I surprised me. You can't trust

836
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.519
<v Speaker 3>him because you've got these little bandit masks on. You know,

837
00:49:57.519 --> 00:49:58.320
<v Speaker 3>they're never no good.

838
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 1>My producer actually was on the call with us, like

839
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 1>always and uh, she mutes herself to the broadcaster, but

840
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 1>the entire time Seth was talking about the raccoon. She

841
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.360
<v Speaker 1>was going, watch out, it's raby season.

842
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 3>Be careful.

843
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, my my radio show, The Crypto Kid, it's internet radio,

844
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:26.199
<v Speaker 1>which I think is getting bigger. I hope it does

845
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:28.559
<v Speaker 1>because I love doing live radio because I don't have

846
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:31.039
<v Speaker 1>to sit and edit because I've done that before and

847
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I just like letting things be how they are. It

848
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.440
<v Speaker 1>gives me a bit more of an excuse if it's

849
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:44.480
<v Speaker 1>uh lower audio quality. Sure, But but The Crypto Kid

850
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:49.159
<v Speaker 1>started out as really kind of a way to have

851
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.239
<v Speaker 1>some of the top researchers in the field, some of

852
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 1>the real movers and shakers and in the field of cryptosology,

853
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:02.719
<v Speaker 1>as well as skeptics and witnesses and other people to

854
00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:05.360
<v Speaker 1>come on the show and not really talk about cases

855
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.880
<v Speaker 1>or stories like a lot of places do, but to

856
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 1>talk about ideas. Yes, we do talk about cases on occasion,

857
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.159
<v Speaker 1>but we really do that with a focus of now,

858
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 1>what do these cases mean, what can we kind of

859
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.079
<v Speaker 1>get from these what are some of the explanations for

860
00:51:22.199 --> 00:51:26.079
<v Speaker 1>them of these creatures, what is the importance of Mothman

861
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:31.239
<v Speaker 1>that type of thing like that, the whole cultural aspect,

862
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 1>and the the the ideas that don't quite get enough

863
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:40.559
<v Speaker 1>attention in the field anymore. I really try to focus

864
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.840
<v Speaker 1>on and I also try to make it approachable for everyone,

865
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.360
<v Speaker 1>not just people that are big into the field, because

866
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.199
<v Speaker 1>I think that it can be really hard to find

867
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>a good show that is consistent in quality, that is

868
00:51:57.639 --> 00:52:00.760
<v Speaker 1>easy to approach, that doesn't just tell stories all the time.

869
00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:05.519
<v Speaker 1>And I have I've been really working hard on trying

870
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:10.159
<v Speaker 1>to get some of the biggest guests I can. I'm

871
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.440
<v Speaker 1>having Lyle Blackburn come on in a couple of weeks

872
00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 1>to talk about some of the ideas behind the Southern Sasquatch.

873
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm having Sharon Hill, who I met at Crypticon with

874
00:52:24.280 --> 00:52:26.960
<v Speaker 1>you Blake, to come on and talk about her book

875
00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:32.159
<v Speaker 1>Scientifical American Americans, and so I just I'm really focusing

876
00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:38.559
<v Speaker 1>on some of the importance and you know, what why

877
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:41.039
<v Speaker 1>these things matter, and what are some of the ideas

878
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>that these things that we can get from these things,

879
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:50.920
<v Speaker 1>as well as trying to be as as objective as

880
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I can be because I think it's important. And honestly,

881
00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if any of these things exist except

882
00:52:59.800 --> 00:53:02.280
<v Speaker 1>for the thylacine. That's one of the few things that

883
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.559
<v Speaker 1>I will say I'm fairly confident exists. But that's purely

884
00:53:06.599 --> 00:53:10.079
<v Speaker 1>because I love it and I really want it to exist,

885
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and I haven't done a lot of like my own

886
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 1>expeditions and stuff into it. I'm purely a fan when

887
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:16.639
<v Speaker 1>it comes to the thylacine.

888
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.840
<v Speaker 3>But we want it to exist too. It's a beautiful animal. Yeah.

889
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But.

890
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.119
<v Speaker 1>I try to stay as objective as I possibly can.

891
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's something that not a lot of other

892
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:28.079
<v Speaker 1>shows do.

893
00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.639
<v Speaker 2>So besides this work that you're doing with the CFC

894
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:35.000
<v Speaker 2>in your book that you're working on, I guess I'm

895
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.039
<v Speaker 2>curious about what are you planning to do as far

896
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.440
<v Speaker 2>as like your education and career, where you do you

897
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 2>plan to keep this separate or are you going to

898
00:53:43.239 --> 00:53:46.760
<v Speaker 2>try to find a job that works together towards like

899
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.119
<v Speaker 2>a common unified goal.

900
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Well, see, I know a lot of people try to

901
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 1>make their living in this field, and I respect those

902
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:01.079
<v Speaker 1>who figure it out because obviously they're doing what they love,

903
00:54:01.280 --> 00:54:08.199
<v Speaker 1>and I highly respect that. But I I honestly wouldn't

904
00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:11.360
<v Speaker 1>be happy just working in this field because I want

905
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 1>to contribute not just to the field of cryptozoology and

906
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 1>some of the more fringed topics, but I also want

907
00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:21.679
<v Speaker 1>to contribute positively to science. I don't think I'd be

908
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:25.119
<v Speaker 1>happy just writing books on the weird and doing research

909
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 1>into the history of some of these things, because I

910
00:54:27.480 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 1>also have a drive to discover new animals and work

911
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:39.159
<v Speaker 1>with animals and discover new things about animals. So I'm

912
00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:44.519
<v Speaker 1>looking in right now into what the best education decision

913
00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.000
<v Speaker 1>would be for me and some of the things I

914
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:48.840
<v Speaker 1>want to do. But right now it's looking like I'm

915
00:54:48.840 --> 00:54:54.880
<v Speaker 1>either going to go into wildlife conservation or zoology just

916
00:54:54.920 --> 00:55:00.119
<v Speaker 1>as an overall field. I absolutely love to work work

917
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 1>with a zoo or work at a you know, work

918
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:09.440
<v Speaker 1>on a government level, working on trying to conserve some

919
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 1>of the animals in these areas well.

920
00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.000
<v Speaker 3>I hope you're able to make that work out. That's

921
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 3>you're young, you got you know, plenty of time to

922
00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:19.599
<v Speaker 3>figure all those things out. But yeah, good luck with it.

923
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.079
<v Speaker 2>And hopefully we'll get you some additional listeners. People can

924
00:55:23.079 --> 00:55:25.280
<v Speaker 2>come check out your show, and when your book comes out,

925
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:27.320
<v Speaker 2>please let us know so we can help you promote it.

926
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Definitely I will. I hope to have it the second

927
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>draft finished by January and I'll be shipping it around

928
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the publishers in February, so by this time next year,

929
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I hope it should be out and people can buy it.

930
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 5>Very impressive.

931
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, and if you need to help with a

932
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>pun for the title or anything, let me know. My

933
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 2>punk and fulty business is working and it's going, it's moving.

934
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll keep that in mind. If your listeners are interested

935
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.920
<v Speaker 1>in following what I'm doing, you can. They can find

936
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:08.599
<v Speaker 1>me on Facebook. I have a page that is just

937
00:56:08.679 --> 00:56:13.159
<v Speaker 1>a crypto hyphen kid. My website is a paranorm one

938
00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 1>zero one dot blogspot dot com. And my radio show

939
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.159
<v Speaker 1>is on every Monday night at eight pm Eastern Standard

940
00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Time on w c JV radio dot com.

941
00:56:23.880 --> 00:56:25.079
<v Speaker 3>And we'll put a link to all that in our

942
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<v Speaker 3>show notes at munster talk dot org.

943
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:28.159
<v Speaker 1>Excellent.

944
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we'll just finish up with the usual question. So, Colin,

945
00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 5>what's your favorite monster?

946
00:56:34.639 --> 00:56:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Well, for the longest time, my media answer would be

947
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:41.519
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot because that's really one of the things that got

948
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:45.719
<v Speaker 1>me into this field. But now I think looking at

949
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 1>monster under the definition, under the assumption that it's a cryptid,

950
00:56:51.920 --> 00:56:53.360
<v Speaker 1>I think I would have to go with the Eastern

951
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 1>cougar because as I was looking into my book doing

952
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.599
<v Speaker 1>the research for it, I really fell in love with

953
00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:04.440
<v Speaker 1>big cats and living on the eastern side of the

954
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:11.039
<v Speaker 1>United States, I really really want a big cat or

955
00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a large feline to still exist here, and I've been

956
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>building a library on it, and it's a topic that

957
00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm really passionate about, not just under the field of cryptosology,

958
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:27.920
<v Speaker 1>but also wildlife conservation as a whole.

959
00:57:28.559 --> 00:57:29.679
<v Speaker 3>Well, you're at that age.

960
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Sorry, you're at that age now where you'll probably start

961
00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 2>running into a lot of Eastern cougars if you go

962
00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:35.239
<v Speaker 2>to bars.

963
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.599
<v Speaker 5>Don't scare now, Colin.

964
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It was great talking with you, and thank you for

965
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:46.599
<v Speaker 2>coming on with us. I know we're very silly people,

966
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 2>but I'll cut all that out.

967
00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.079
<v Speaker 5>So I think you should leave it in.

968
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 3>We'll leave in some of it.

969
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:57.000
<v Speaker 1>So it definitely, it definitely was an honor to be

970
00:57:57.079 --> 00:58:02.760
<v Speaker 1>on and it definitely filled a goal of mine of

971
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.760
<v Speaker 1>being on a not just Kryptoso wology shows, but a

972
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:11.639
<v Speaker 1>skeptic show as well. And I'm just really really excited

973
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>to have this come out.

974
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it'll be out.

975
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.920
<v Speaker 2>I believe, barring unforeseen obstacles, it'll be out next week.

976
00:58:18.079 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'll send you a link when it's up, and

977
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you can, you know, put a link out on your

978
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Facebook page.

979
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 3>And I think this was a lot of fun.

980
00:58:25.079 --> 00:58:29.199
<v Speaker 2>I really I'm great pressed with your work and I

981
00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:31.159
<v Speaker 2>look forward to seeing what becomes of you.

982
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:31.880
<v Speaker 3>So this is cool.

983
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think you're gonna do a lot.

984
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. Monster.

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<v Speaker 5>You've been listening to Monster Talk.

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00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.199
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990
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<v Speaker 2>shows Monday nights at eight pm Eastern on w c

991
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<v Speaker 2>College Schneider is one of the youngest active forty and

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<v Speaker 2>n cryptosology. This is a new word to me, cryptozoo.

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01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:28.079
<v Speaker 2>I'll lead gee, I'll try that again.

1026
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Is one of I do these a lot?

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<v Speaker 2>You know we're This is like our one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>forty first episode. I'm just getting a hang of it.