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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty Friday Nights with not.

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<v Speaker 2>A a Daila Cruz.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, mo I got a little distracted because I saw Mojo's.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah to wall us back with the food. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go to break lat.

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<v Speaker 4>It's pie pie pie.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, happy Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>It is time for discover SoCal And during my visit

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<v Speaker 3>I went to the Pasadena Museum of History.

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<v Speaker 4>It was absolutely beautiful.

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<v Speaker 3>I had the pleasure of exploring the their fascinating exhibit,

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<v Speaker 3>which is called one hundred Years, one Hundred Images Now.

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<v Speaker 3>The collection brings Pasadena's past to life through a century's

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<v Speaker 3>worth of powerful photographs. The images capture everything from historic

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<v Speaker 3>street scenes to key moments in the city's cultural and

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<v Speaker 3>social evolution. It's a visual time capsule that reflects how

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<v Speaker 3>Pasadena has grown while preserving its deep rooted charm.

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<v Speaker 4>The exhibit also.

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<v Speaker 3>Highlights the artistry of local photographers, which is beautiful. They

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<v Speaker 3>also each image tells a unique story, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 3>early days of the Rose Parade, historic architecture, or everyday

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<v Speaker 3>life in different eras. Some of the features artists some

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<v Speaker 3>of the featured artists include local journalists and independent photographers

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<v Speaker 3>whose work helped shape the way Pasadena was seen and remembered.

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<v Speaker 4>The variety of.

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<v Speaker 3>Perspective adds depth to the experience, making it more than

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<v Speaker 3>just a history lesson. It is a true celebration of

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<v Speaker 3>Pasadena's identity. Now, the museum itself of the historic Fenyes Estate,

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<v Speaker 3>which dates back to nineteen oh five, was built by

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Albert Fenyz and his wife, Eva Scott muse Fenyes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's a long name, yes, Emva Scott mus Fenyas. The

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<v Speaker 3>grand mansion was once a hub of Pasadena's elite, and

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<v Speaker 3>when you look at it from the outside it you

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<v Speaker 3>could just imagine how it was in that era. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>Eva was also an artist and a traveler, and she

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<v Speaker 3>filled the home with artwork and cultural artifacts, some of

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<v Speaker 3>which remain on display today. Years later, the estate was

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<v Speaker 3>passed down to their granddaughter, Leonora Babsy Curtin and her

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<v Speaker 3>husband here's another big mouthful of a name, Yiro Alfred Palogemio,

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<v Speaker 3>a Finnish diplomat.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, in nineteen seventy they.

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<v Speaker 3>Generously donated the property to the city, ensuring its history

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<v Speaker 3>would be preserved for future generations and for just nine

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<v Speaker 3>dollars nine dollars, visitors can explore this unique slice of

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<v Speaker 3>Pasadena's past while the mansion was closed because they have

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<v Speaker 3>an upcoming special event. During my visit, the exhibit alone

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<v Speaker 3>was worth the trip, and whether you're a history lover,

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<v Speaker 3>an art enthusiast, enthusiast, or just looking for something different

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<v Speaker 3>to do on a weekend, I highly suggest the Pasadena

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<v Speaker 3>Museum of History. You could log onto Pasadenahistory dot org.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Pasadenahistory dot org for more information. The exhibit is

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<v Speaker 3>in town till September fourteenth, twenty twenty five. Do check

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<v Speaker 3>their calendar and coming up in Jah next week which

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<v Speaker 3>is the first day of spring, March twentieth. They have

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<v Speaker 3>The Most Human reconciling with my father, Leonard Nimoy and

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<v Speaker 3>Adam Nimoy from seven to eight thirty. It's his memoir

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<v Speaker 3>The Most Human and discover how the son of Spock

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<v Speaker 3>from Star Trek learned to navigate his unstable relationship and

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<v Speaker 3>now he was finally able to reconcile with his father

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<v Speaker 3>and himself. And that event is eighteen dollars, but you

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<v Speaker 3>have to reserve your ticket. So it's it's really a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit of everything at this museum. But I highly

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<v Speaker 3>suggest that you go to their website because they have

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<v Speaker 3>different events and once again it's the Pasadena Museum of History,

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<v Speaker 3>four seven zero West Walnut Street in Pasadena. Are also

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<v Speaker 3>allowed if you pay for the entrance to the museum.

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<v Speaker 3>You're also allowed to walk on the premises as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and you cannot take pictures without a permit because sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>you know people, right. But it's gorgeous and beautiful and

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<v Speaker 3>I could just just.

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<v Speaker 4>Standing in front of that mansion.

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<v Speaker 3>I could just see all the just the dresses and

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<v Speaker 3>the attire and the celebrities of that era and just

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<v Speaker 3>imagining just you know, just kind of like like if

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<v Speaker 3>you were there in a way like that era of

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<v Speaker 3>the Great Gaspion a way with all the flapper dresses

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, just beauty, just absolutely beautiful. Now I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't get to go, like I said, inside, because they're

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<v Speaker 3>getting preparing, they're preparing for an event. But I did

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<v Speaker 3>get to see the pictures online. Stunning house, stunning great

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<v Speaker 3>art collection, just a lot of history there.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it because you remind me of what is

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<v Speaker 2>right in our backyard that I don't even think about,

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<v Speaker 2>but it may inspire so many people to visit because

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<v Speaker 2>we overlook a lot, because there's so much that's bombarding

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<v Speaker 2>us and vying for our attention, and there are truly

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<v Speaker 2>some great places to discover right where we live already, and.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't go to it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the funny part, right, that's why we do this, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, And like we've said a million times before,

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<v Speaker 3>we only go to certain places when we have people

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<v Speaker 3>visiting from out of town and it's so sad. They

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<v Speaker 3>want to go, and they want to go, and you're like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never been there, Sure let me go. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't been to the It's on my list to

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<v Speaker 3>go before the end of the month.

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<v Speaker 4>The Ronald Reagan. I think it's the library.

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<v Speaker 3>I am dying to go, and I that's that's on

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<v Speaker 3>my bucket list.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't you know what, I haven't been to the

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<v Speaker 2>Reagan Library. I've been to the Nixon Library, but I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't been to the Reagan Library.

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<v Speaker 4>Where's the Nixon Library.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in Orange County. I can't take I went out

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<v Speaker 2>there for an event. Actually it was Bruno Serrato Katerina's Club,

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<v Speaker 2>their annual event out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was good. It was got to

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<v Speaker 2>be able to take my mom and my wife. It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a really good evening.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>Once again, if you'd like to go Pasadena Museum of History,

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<v Speaker 3>log onto Pasadenaistory dot org.

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<v Speaker 4>Coming up, we do have the hint and jem.

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<v Speaker 3>But before we go to break, I want to say

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<v Speaker 3>he's not here today, but happy birthday to Pedro Moreno.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh today he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five, so that's why he's off tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I checked.

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<v Speaker 3>We follow each other on Instagram and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's your birthday. I was like, I doubt he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to be there, but I'm gonna wish him a happy birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>So happy birthday, Pedroo Moreno.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to reach out to birthday. You had to

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<v Speaker 2>just show off this bilingual showing everybody else.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, pie pie Pie. You gotta tell a story

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<v Speaker 3>where we're done with their hind and jem.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, we can tell it right now, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead, tell it. Oh, this is a pie day,

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<v Speaker 2>Pi day.

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<v Speaker 3>But you were talking about pies and just food and

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<v Speaker 3>then I don't know, I thought of in sync and

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<v Speaker 3>said of the song Bye Bye, I said, Pottypie, pie.

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<v Speaker 2>Pie, you're gonna do the choreography and the moves and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really know it. I'm sorry, really no, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't ask too bad. Kim six forty we live everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>on the iHeartRadio app. When we come back, we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>Donica de la Cruz give us her hidden gym for

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<v Speaker 2>the week.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's Friday Nights with Man at the de La Cruz.

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<v Speaker 2>We're live everywhere the iHeartRadio App. In fact, we are

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<v Speaker 2>instagram live right now on this weekend with Nick m.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, thank you very much, Nick, I appreciate that. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>it's time for the Hidden Jam. Today's Hyden jem is

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria Vicky Velos. Vicky Velos had always loved fashion. As

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<v Speaker 3>an assistant costume designer in the bustling Los Angeles film

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<v Speaker 3>industry that we're in, she was constantly surrounded by racks

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<v Speaker 3>of glamorous outfits, designer shoes, and accessories that could transform

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<v Speaker 3>anyone into a star. But outside of work, her passion

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<v Speaker 3>for clothing turned into something else, an addiction, to shopping.

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<v Speaker 3>She bought dresses she never wore, shoes that never left

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<v Speaker 3>the box, and jackets that stayed buried in the back

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<v Speaker 3>of her closet. It all came to a head one

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<v Speaker 3>evening when she heard this loud crack. The wooden bar

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<v Speaker 3>in the closet had snapped in half under the weight

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<v Speaker 3>of her overflowing wardrobe. That was the moment she knew

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<v Speaker 3>she had a problem, and I'm sure some women can relate.

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<v Speaker 3>Determined to change, Vicky decided to do an early round

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<v Speaker 3>of spring cleaning as she shorted through.

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<v Speaker 4>As she sorted through her.

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<v Speaker 3>Clothes, she found countless items with price tags still attached,

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<v Speaker 3>pieces that were out of season, things that didn't fit

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<v Speaker 3>her anymore or simply was in her style. She realized

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<v Speaker 3>she had spent thousands of dollars on things she never

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<v Speaker 3>even used. Like so many women, she often stood in

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<v Speaker 3>front of her overflowing closet and thought, I have nothing

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<v Speaker 3>to wear, and I know fellas have heard that before.

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<v Speaker 3>But this time, instead of tossing everything into the trash,

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<v Speaker 3>she wanted to do something good with it. Then that's

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<v Speaker 3>when she discovered Planet Aid, a nonprofit organization that collects

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<v Speaker 3>and recycles new and use clothing to support environmental and

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<v Speaker 3>humanitarian efforts around the world. Planet Aid makes it easy

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<v Speaker 3>for people to give their clothing a second life. The

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<v Speaker 3>organization places donation bins in the cities across the county

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<v Speaker 3>where people can drop off unwanted clothes and shoes instead

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<v Speaker 3>of ending up in the landfills. These items are sorted, reused,

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<v Speaker 3>and or repurpose to fund programs that improve education, health

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<v Speaker 3>and community development and struggling regions. Their mission is to

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<v Speaker 3>reduce waste, promote sustainability, and provide resources to those and needs.

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<v Speaker 3>Fast fashion and excessive consumerism have led to a staggering

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<v Speaker 3>levels of clothing waste in America, and here are some

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<v Speaker 3>eye opening facts. The average American throws away eighty one

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<v Speaker 3>pounds of clothing each year, eighty five percent of textiles

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<v Speaker 3>end up on landfields instead of being recycled, and the

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<v Speaker 3>fashion industry is responsible for nearly ten percent of global

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<v Speaker 3>carbon emissions. Thanks to Planet Aid, Vicki was able to

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<v Speaker 3>turn her shopping habit into something positive. She now has

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<v Speaker 3>decluttered and she now thinks twice before making a purchase,

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<v Speaker 3>and she also asks herself do I need it? Do

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<v Speaker 3>I have room in my closet and is it necessary.

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<v Speaker 3>So for more information, visit planetaid dot org. And in

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<v Speaker 3>some areas you will see the yellow bins by a

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<v Speaker 3>store or maybe a shopping center and some other companies

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<v Speaker 3>also they provide the same service. The bins are either

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<v Speaker 3>red or green. So I I want to say that

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<v Speaker 3>spring is coming up. Spring cleaning is around the corner.

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<v Speaker 3>The first day of spring is March twentieth, which is

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<v Speaker 3>next week. So if you have extra clothes that you

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<v Speaker 3>know don't fit you, or you want to donate, or

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<v Speaker 3>they're out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of season, even if they have a price.

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<v Speaker 3>Tag and you know that you're never gonna wear it,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead and donate it. And for more information, please

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<v Speaker 3>log onto planetaid dot org.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're not a clothes horse.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what? I plead the fifth mode.

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<v Speaker 3>No, actually I used to be, but I now have downside.

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<v Speaker 3>I live in a one bedroom, one bath and I

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<v Speaker 2>Well, my wife downsizees me because for some reason, every

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<v Speaker 2>and she has more room. Okay, And there's certain articles

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<v Speaker 2>They've gone Yes, they are missing. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>But let me ask you this, because this is an

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<v Speaker 4>You just don't like what you have in your closet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's no different than saying, you know, we got

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<v Speaker 2>forty five different streaming services, and maybe we have a

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<v Speaker 4>TV right exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but look, I understand I can generalize. Women's relationship

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<v Speaker 2>similar in respect. I have almost an uniform. I wear

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<v Speaker 4>Date night as well. But you know, I'm just saying

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<v Speaker 3>But you know what with the funny part of when

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<v Speaker 3>same thing. She said, she was watching TV and she

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<v Speaker 4>She was like, something hit my window, blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>And she said the next morning when she went to

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<v Speaker 4>She was like, oh, that was the loud noise.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, those wood bars could only take so

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<v Speaker 3>much weight. But sometimes I believe in hey, every season,

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<v Speaker 3>let's go through, go through your closet, go through your

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<v Speaker 2>I try to get better with that because there's things

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<v Speaker 2>that again. I'm not you know, whether I'm holding onto

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<v Speaker 2>and wear it, or it's not in style. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>either take it to the goodwill or something, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, when you're driving around, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>Planet Aid is the yellow bins.

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<v Speaker 4>They're really bright, like right yellow bin. But they also

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<v Speaker 4>have the green bins, and they also have these red binds.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you you know, if you if you see one,

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<v Speaker 3>like sometimes you'll see one in a shopping center where

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<v Speaker 3>one and go, hey, I have some you know, clothes

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<v Speaker 3>to donate, let me drop them off over here.

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<v Speaker 4>So they go.

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<v Speaker 3>It's for a very good cause, and it's good to

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<v Speaker 5>See Mark, you got all the reason now to clean

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<v Speaker 5>out your closet. I wouldn't know where to start it

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<v Speaker 5>because everything is the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're men of few.

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<v Speaker 4>Choices, right, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephan? What about you? Are there things that you're holding

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<v Speaker 2>on to for a little bit too long?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I Actually I had that conversation with Nautika. When I

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<v Speaker 2>recently had a little move, I got rid of anything

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<v Speaker 2>or donated anything that I'm never gonna wear again. And

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<v Speaker 2>then you know, I never wear pants, so it's always

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<v Speaker 2>shorts for me. Yeah, how do you do that? Where

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<v Speaker 2>did that come from? Was that something that just started

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<v Speaker 2>when you were a youth?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a kid and I just and I

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<v Speaker 2>run hot in general, and everyone asked me like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>so you must be from the East Coast and I'm like, nope,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna wear shorts, it's got to be really hot.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously I'm not at work, I mean out on

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<v Speaker 2>rare occasions in the summer, I wear shorts to work,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was more function of doing the weekend show

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<v Speaker 2>because it was the weekend weekend. Yeah, but coming in

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<v Speaker 2>in the office, like I'm just not gonna wear shorts,

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<v Speaker 2>You'll find me ninety nine times out of one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>in a collar style shirt. I'm not gonna wear a

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<v Speaker 2>T shirt. That's just me. So not even at Chateau

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<v Speaker 2>Lemo you know, rock shorts. I'm trying to think some

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<v Speaker 2>years I have some years. I haven't. Okay, but that

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<v Speaker 2>was the fourth of July. Okay, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 3>You did rock shorts last summer when it was like

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and fourteen and one hundred and ten.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you showed your chicken legs and they were good.

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<v Speaker 2>They excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. They're not chicken legs.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been doing thousands and thousands of kicks. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>see how they treated it here.

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<v Speaker 4>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just furniture.

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<v Speaker 4>We love you.

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<v Speaker 2>How is it okay? Now, I'm gonna come to your

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<v Speaker 2>defense for just a moment. Not at Taylor Cruise. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>Sir Stephan is laughing his ass off, and he still

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<v Speaker 2>don't get a rim shot. It's just just like, what

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is it? What are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 2>It's an after but it's an afterthought. There's that we

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<v Speaker 2>have a system here. It's about principles. It's principalities. If

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<v Speaker 2>someone says something funny, you get him rim shot. That's

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<v Speaker 2>your job. It's literally says that I forgot Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in the work details. Mark has given up on you.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not given up on you. Heller. Speaking of Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>we have the Runner Report. When we come back with

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<v Speaker 2>a little Manson Tide.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI A M six forty Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Talks about pontificates about pop culture.

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<v Speaker 7>Ron and Report with Mark Ronner.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get to Mark Ronner and the Runner Report. All right.

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<v Speaker 5>I was reading the book about the Manson killings called

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<v Speaker 5>Chaos by Tom O'Neill, and he was on my short

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<v Speaker 5>list of people to invite as a guest whenever I

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<v Speaker 5>filled in again as host, if that ever happens again.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd always been interested in that stuff. And before I

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<v Speaker 5>moved to La I was visiting and a friend drove

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<v Speaker 5>me to where the house on Clo was where Sharon

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<v Speaker 5>Taate and the others were murdered, just because he knew

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like that. I wasn't finished with the Chaos book.

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<v Speaker 5>The library yanked it from me on my iPad because

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<v Speaker 5>it was due. We're living in the future, then I

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<v Speaker 5>see Chaos. The Manson Murders is a documentary on Netflix

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<v Speaker 5>and directed by Errol Morris. No Less, no Brainer, Front

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<v Speaker 5>of the line. Here is the trailer that's.

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<v Speaker 8>One of the scariest true stories out there.

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<v Speaker 4>I had and a half month pregnant, beautiful woman.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting stabbed to death.

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<v Speaker 8>Madison was able to gain control of his followers, but

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<v Speaker 8>he could get them to go out and kill on

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<v Speaker 8>command without remorse. How did he learn how to brainwash

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<v Speaker 8>those kids and turn them into monsters?

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<v Speaker 6>These people were on LSD. Manson was preaching all the

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<v Speaker 6>time Race Wars.

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<v Speaker 4>The murder was okay, what a story did start to emerge.

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<v Speaker 8>It was managed very carefully to manage and manipulated.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that what we were told isn't what happened.

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<v Speaker 8>There were these research sciences you were working secretly for

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<v Speaker 8>the government.

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<v Speaker 6>One of the most bizarre itself in CIA history.

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<v Speaker 8>Plant false memories and people without their awareness.

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<v Speaker 6>My Manson was really into mind control.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm understing what I was doing, not just mentally

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<v Speaker 8>difference Mathson became exactly what the CIA was trying to create.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're suggesting your Manson was a puppet.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, Morris won an oscar for the Fog of War

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<v Speaker 5>back in two thousand and four, and if you haven't

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<v Speaker 5>seen that, you're in for a treat. He's also done

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<v Speaker 5>the Thin Blue Line, and none of this is dull

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<v Speaker 5>homework stuff. It's totally absorbing. Morris is seventy seven now,

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<v Speaker 5>and not only has he not lost a step, but

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<v Speaker 5>Chaos is such an immersive documentary that it really added

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<v Speaker 5>layers to my understanding of this Manson case. And I

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<v Speaker 5>wish it had been twice as long. It's just ninety

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<v Speaker 5>six minutes. You could fit like two and a half

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<v Speaker 5>of them into one brutalist. If you're like me, you've

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<v Speaker 5>gone to sleep plenty of times with true crime documentaries

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<v Speaker 5>on TV because they're soothing, and the guys with the

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<v Speaker 5>deep voices are also very soothing to listen to while

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<v Speaker 5>they're talking about horrific stuff. But you're not dozen off

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<v Speaker 5>during this documentary with the graphics and the editing. This

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<v Speaker 5>like documentary adderall we know. The Tate LaBianca killings back

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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen sixty nine were so horrifying that they more

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<v Speaker 5>or less ended the Swinging sixties, and they had an

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<v Speaker 5>effect similar to what I understand about the Charles Starkweather

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<v Speaker 5>killing spree a decade before that. People were freaked out

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<v Speaker 5>and scared. Maybe you loved Quentin Tarantinos once upon a

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<v Speaker 5>time in Hollywood like I did, for giving us the

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<v Speaker 5>fantasy ending we wished for a lot like the one

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<v Speaker 5>in Inglorious Bastards. Here's a spoiler, they smoke Hitler. Chaos

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<v Speaker 5>does a thorough and, like I indicated, a hyperactive job

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<v Speaker 5>of explaining who everyone was, where they were, how they

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<v Speaker 5>were related to each other. The thing just barely stopped

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<v Speaker 5>short of showing charts with red string showing who gave

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<v Speaker 5>each other chlamytea. It's extremely thorough. If you've read Helter Skelter,

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<v Speaker 5>the Chaos book and documentary are a whole different ballgame

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<v Speaker 5>in that it sort of craps all over Helter Skelter

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<v Speaker 5>and Vincent Buliosi, the Manson prosecutor who wrote it or

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<v Speaker 5>co wrote it or had a ghost written that was

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<v Speaker 5>the all time best selling true crime book. I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>say I knew or was friends with Buliosi, but I

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<v Speaker 5>interviewed him around two thousand and eight for his book

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<v Speaker 5>called The Prosecution of George W. Bush from Murder. Whatever

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<v Speaker 5>you want to say about the guy, he had balls

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<v Speaker 5>roughly the size of the Goodyear Blimp. In twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 5>not a lot of people are going to argue that

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<v Speaker 5>our invasion of Iraq was righteous or had anything to

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<v Speaker 5>do with the nine to eleven attack. It's an objective,

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<v Speaker 5>non partisan fact at this point, and if you got

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<v Speaker 5>a problem with it, go pick an argument with a historian.

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<v Speaker 5>Not me, but back in two thousand and eight putting

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<v Speaker 5>out a book about prosecuting a president for lying US

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<v Speaker 5>into a war and the American soldiers who died from that,

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<v Speaker 5>let's just say that it took some nerve. In fact,

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<v Speaker 5>it got him blackballed from national media. If you look

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<v Speaker 5>at the reception section for the book on Wikipedia, that's blank.

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<v Speaker 5>The guy who wrote the all time best selling true

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<v Speaker 5>crime book gets shut out of national media. And I

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<v Speaker 5>was the only person in major media at the time,

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<v Speaker 5>at the Seattle Times, in fact, to give him some ink.

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<v Speaker 5>And it involves sticking my own neck out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>I found Boo Leosi to be sharp and impressive, not

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<v Speaker 5>just in the interview, but throughout the process that goes

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<v Speaker 5>with that stuff, the follow ups, the fact checks. It's

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<v Speaker 5>not like just sitting down for a tight five with

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<v Speaker 5>Jimmy Kimmel. It's an exhaustive quality control process, and you

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<v Speaker 5>don't really get it with a blog these days. After

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<v Speaker 5>the interview finally ran Bugliosi came to the old Seattle

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<v Speaker 5>Times building to thank me and shake my hand in person,

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<v Speaker 5>which was one of those solid old school marks of class.

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<v Speaker 5>I really liked him. Now, to be clear, this isn't

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<v Speaker 5>some rambling bragathon about somebody famous I had a connection with.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm admitting to you how naive I was, and how

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<v Speaker 5>this new documentary and book have caused me to rethink

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<v Speaker 5>that whole scenario. Try to imagine how gobsmacked I was

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<v Speaker 5>reading Tom O'Neil's Chaos and watching the Morris documentary to

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<v Speaker 5>be told that Bugliosi may have fudged him stuff to

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<v Speaker 5>shape the Manson story how he wanted it, and the

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<v Speaker 5>real story was likely different and larger. And what that

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<v Speaker 5>book goes into that the documentary doesn't is Boogliosi's back

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<v Speaker 5>and forth with O'Neil, which gets a little nuts as

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<v Speaker 5>O'Neil comes back to him with information that doesn't add

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<v Speaker 5>up about the Manson case, and Bugliosi gets increasingly bent

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<v Speaker 5>out of shape. Now he's not around to defend himself.

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<v Speaker 5>He's gone, So I guess O'Neil gets the last word.

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<v Speaker 5>But O'Neil makes a compelling case at the very least,

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<v Speaker 5>that Bugliosi was mainly interested in making himself a star

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<v Speaker 5>and then protecting his legacy. There's lots more in the

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<v Speaker 5>documentary that I'll point out but not completely spoil. One

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<v Speaker 5>thing is how close Manson was to break it into

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<v Speaker 5>the music industry and maybe becoming a star. You heard

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<v Speaker 5>a snippet of his singing in the trailer. One of

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<v Speaker 5>the Beats Boys was very involved with the Manson family,

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<v Speaker 5>Dennis Wilson. He died in nineteen eighty three, so I

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<v Speaker 5>guess O'Neil gets the last word on him too. But

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<v Speaker 5>some of Vnson's music is played in the documentary, and

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<v Speaker 5>it almost pains me to say this. It ain't terrible,

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<v Speaker 5>It's of its time, and this drives home the concept

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<v Speaker 5>that things could have easily gone the other way for

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<v Speaker 5>him and lots of others around him. Something else O'Neil

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<v Speaker 5>gets into, which a surviving prosecutor disagrees with, is a

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<v Speaker 5>possible connection with Manson an MK Ultra, which was essentially

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<v Speaker 5>a ci A mind control program. How did Charlie go

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<v Speaker 5>from being a somewhat charismatic X con loser who nobody

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<v Speaker 5>really took seriously back in the hate Ashbury District to

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<v Speaker 5>a cult leader who could make women and men do

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<v Speaker 5>anything for him, including killing. Maybe it wasn't just the riz.

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<v Speaker 5>How did Manson get so many breaks from the cops

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<v Speaker 5>when he was on parole when they should have violated

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<v Speaker 5>his ass several times over. I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 5>I buy into the mk ultra angle, or even how

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<v Speaker 5>much Morris does as a filmmaker. He strikes some new

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<v Speaker 5>ground out himself and talks to people. It's not just

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<v Speaker 5>the straight adaptation of the book. But this is all

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<v Speaker 5>laid out plausibly, and I didn't feel like I was

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<v Speaker 5>listening to the babblings of some crank telling me that, say,

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<v Speaker 5>breast milk is better than vaccines and science. This stuff

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<v Speaker 5>has lots of resonance in the present day, not specifically

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<v Speaker 5>mc Eltra, but the way certain people can get their

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<v Speaker 5>followers to become radicalized and do what you and I

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<v Speaker 5>might consider to be the unthinkable. Based on my observation,

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<v Speaker 5>people don't need to be coerced. Now. There's plenty of

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<v Speaker 5>footage of Manson's family members then and later in their lives,

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<v Speaker 5>and that stuff is chilling to me. True believers who

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<v Speaker 5>don't blink when they talk to you. When they speak,

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<v Speaker 5>it's in this patient, serene, even condescending voice while they're

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<v Speaker 5>saying things that are utterly deranged more than a half

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<v Speaker 5>century ago, but relevant now.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if you don't have cable TV.

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<v Speaker 5>I am not a conspiracy whack job, and you don't

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<v Speaker 5>need to one hundred percent buy into everything you watch.

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<v Speaker 5>But this chaos documentary on Netflix is is even more

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<v Speaker 5>worth your time than a trip to buy a horse

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<v Speaker 5>paste for your COVID MO.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was compelling. It makes a compelling argument, is

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<v Speaker 2>that fair to say?

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<v Speaker 5>Very absorbing, and O'Neil himself admits some things where he

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't have conclusive evidence. I think the thing raises more

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<v Speaker 5>questions than it answers. But it's interesting stuff, and it's

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<v Speaker 5>not just It's not like that UFO show with the

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<v Speaker 5>guy with the wild hair. What is that Ancient Aliens? Yes,

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<v Speaker 5>ancient alien I mean some of that stuff can be fun,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think this is serious and it's extraordinarily well crafted,

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<v Speaker 5>well put together.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, I'm going to take you up on that

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm going to watch it this weekend on a

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<v Speaker 2>strength of your review and recommendation.

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<v Speaker 5>You got to tell me what you think of it.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really curious to see people's reactions. It doesn't have raves.

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<v Speaker 5>The last time I looked on Rotten Tomatoes, it was

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere down around to sixty five, And I just don't

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<v Speaker 5>understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly because you and I are old enough to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of remember the evolution of the whole Manson saga. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though it happened right around when we were born, Manson

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<v Speaker 2>was still a resonant figure in popular culture for a

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<v Speaker 2>long time after that.

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<v Speaker 5>It was a major pop culture touchstone, and so was

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<v Speaker 5>Helter Skelter Yes, and the Beatles album that Manson got

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<v Speaker 5>that from. He was a huge Beatles fan. The whole

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<v Speaker 5>thing is really interesting, and one of the people was

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<v Speaker 5>I believe Doris Day's sun interesting rabbit hole to go down.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Six forty. It's National Pie Day. We're live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 2>are only giving them away tonight to the ladies. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies' Night for a name that movie called Classic, and

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<v Speaker 2>we'd actually prefer ladies who have not played the game

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<v Speaker 2>before to make sure everyone has a chance to win

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<v Speaker 2>a prize. So we're looking for first time ladies. It's

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<v Speaker 2>this obviously is Women's History Month, and it's also National

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<v Speaker 2>Pie Day. The movies tonight when we get to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Next segment at the top of the hour, will have

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<v Speaker 2>everything to do with pizza or pie. That means it

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<v Speaker 2>could be a scene from a movie which involves pizza

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<v Speaker 2>or pie, or pizza or pie could be part of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie's title. But there will be a pizza or

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<v Speaker 2>pie tie in to all ten of the movies, either

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<v Speaker 2>explicitly in the scene or maybe it is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie's theme or title, but there will be a

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<v Speaker 2>pizza and or pie connection to either the clip or

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<v Speaker 2>the movie title itself. Come on, ladies, give us a call,

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<v Speaker 2>Night Women's History Month on later with Mo Kelly. So

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<v Speaker 2>we are looking for the ladies. We have ten fifty

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<v Speaker 2>before we say bye bye the Pie Day. We're celebrating

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<v Speaker 2>and have been celebrating with piping hot pizza here at

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<v Speaker 2>Shakey's thanks courtesy of Shaky's. But when you go to

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<v Speaker 2>Shaky's you can choose from classic favorites or go for

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<v Speaker 2>your own pie in the Sky creation. And don't forget

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<v Speaker 2>the mojos. We had mojos tonight as well. Ooh love them,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can dine in or get it to go

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<v Speaker 2>gift certificates to Shakey's. It's the Ladies' Night. We're only

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<v Speaker 2>looking for the ladies. All ten movie clips tonight we'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a pie and or pizza tie in. It will

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<v Speaker 2>either be in the clip itself or in the title

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<v Speaker 2>of the movie something else. I Gotta let you know.

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<v Speaker 2>tickets last night as well, and it's headed to Huntington

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<v Speaker 2>single line is filled of nothing but ladies. As we're

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<v Speaker 2>doing Ladies Night here on later with Mokelly for this

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<v Speaker 2>National Pie Day. It's going to be politically incorrect, it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably going to be uncomfortable. It's going to be damn

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<v Speaker 2>sure funny. Mark Ronner have fun with this one. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>dreading what you picked. Oh boy, I have one or

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<v Speaker 2>two things in mind that if you've picked them, it's

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<v Speaker 2>been nice knowing right right, We're gonna find where the

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<v Speaker 2>line is tonight. Great. All the movie have something to

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<v Speaker 2>do with pie or pizza and it'll be explicit in

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<v Speaker 2>the clip or it will be in the title or

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<v Speaker 2>theme of the movie. That's next Ladies' Night. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a full boat nothing but first time ladies callers for

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