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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everyone to a new episode of You're Wrong

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with Molly Hemingway, editor in chief of the Federalist and

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David Harsani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner. Just as

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a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, please

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do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. Now, Molly,

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typically I would say here, we love to hear from you,

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but last week's mail bag made me not want to

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say that, because a lot, I'd say, fifty percent of

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the mail is just garbage, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't share your viewpoint on our reader mail. I

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love our reader mail. I love it no matter what

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it says. I love it if it's very positive or

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critical or whatever. But you seemed to not like it

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this week.

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Speaker 1: I did not like it this week because and we

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don't need to rehash this debate over the White House Corps.

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But a bunch of our listeners, your fans, sent in

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mail completely misrepresenting my position. Livy called those I literally

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called them frauds and whatever. But they're they're you know,

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everyone believes I'm protecting them. I just sometimes the sense

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that people don't understand what a neutral principle is. You know, also,

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actually how do I do this? Do I say Happy

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ash Wednesday?

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Speaker 2: Or no, I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's not happy Yeah fat Tuesday's happy ash Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: We just yeah, maybe Blessed Ash Wednesday. Hold on on

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the mail. I go to church on Sunday and I'm

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sitting in front of someone who's a listener, and he said,

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are you and David okay? I was like yes, and

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he's like, I was really worried you were fighting so

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badly in the last episode. Did it seem like we were.

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I didn't feel like we were fighting.

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Speaker 3: I felt I got to yelled at you a bit.

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Speaker 1: But let me just say this, if people only heard

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what goes on, like what's gone on when we get

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into real arguments, I do worry sometimes. I don't want

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to be insulting, but I think that we, you know,

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we've known each other long enough where that's where where

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we're not going to hold grudges if we disagree.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I liked fighting with or you know, arguing with you

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so much that I was like hoping we would have

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another argument this time. Anyway, let's get onto it. Let's

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get to where we might argue. Who knows?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Blessed ash Wednesday it's today. I remember as

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a young man, as a young as a boy, I

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was in yeshiva and on my English teacher came in

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and she had like a smudge on her forehead and

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I was like fascinated by it, and I wanted to

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tell her, you know, that she had something there. And

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then she was the first person. I was so insulated

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that she was the first person to explain to me,

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you know, the ashes on the forehead thing.

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Speaker 2: So you were a young Jewish guy. And I don't

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think I'm scheduled to do any TV today, but first

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time I was on TV with ashes, the people on

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the internet acted like they had never even heard of

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ash Wednesday before. Also, I got invited by the Vatican

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to address being Catholic in public life, and I had

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to tell them that I'm I'm a Lutheran Catholic, not

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a Roman Catholic.

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Speaker 1: So do all the high churches do the ashes and

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the low churches don't?

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Speaker 3: Or like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I know nothing other than Lutheran practice. So I

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know Lutherans do it. I know Roman Catholics do it.

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I think Orthodox are in a different schedule and they

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and while ashes are kind of a universal like sign

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of you know, like mourning repentance type thing. I don't

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know if they have an ash Wednesday, and I think,

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you know, Anglicans do it. I think some Presbyterians do,

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so yeah, maybe it's just anyone liturgical it's a it's

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an important day in the church, or it's the first

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day of Lent. And we've been going through something called

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pre Lent for few weeks, which is where you train

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for Lent, because in Lent you do greater disciplines, you're

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reading scripture more, you're praying more, you're giving more alms,

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you're giving up food or other and or other activities,

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and so it's it's a very intense forty days.

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Speaker 1: Is is it appropriate to ask what you're giving up?

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Or is it like a birthday wish where you're not

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supposed to share.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's appropriate or not, but I

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tend not to talk about what I do publicly. If

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that's as fine, Yeah, sure, Actually, can I say. I

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was talking with the kids about their plans, you know,

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just in a motherly way, going through what their plans are,

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and one of the kids had a full list of

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all sorts of activity, fasting, increased work, like some really

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special ideas. And then the next one I talked to

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was like sweets, giving up sweets, and then that was

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the end of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I would search for something I'd want, I'd given up

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already or wanted to give up.

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Speaker 3: But let's talk.

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Speaker 1: Let's start talking about last night's non State of the

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Union address the Trump gave. I believe it was the

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longest talk to full Congress ever by a president.

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Speaker 3: That's what I read. I think it was an hour

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and forty minutes.

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Speaker 1: And I just say up front that whatever you make

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of what he said or didn't say, or whatever he

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is entertaining to listen to, he's just fun to listen

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to most of the time.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes he can go on too long, I think.

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Speaker 1: But in general he can get away with that because

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he's funny, and he's and the way he speaks is entertaining, right,

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and he's a good communicator. He speaks the rhetoric of

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the noormy, in my view, and that is I believe,

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his greatest strength. Whether you agree with what he's saying

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or not, he's speaking to people in a way that

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they can comprehend. What were your reflections on his talk yesterday.

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Speaker 2: So first off, I'm not a huge fan of the

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State of the Union. I know it wasn't an official

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State the Union, but I'm not a huge fan of

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that address. I did think his twenty twenty State of

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the Union was the best speech he'd given to that point.

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It was a really remarkable night. He had a string

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of successes to talk about, including that he had just

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defeated the impeachment, the economy was doing well. Foreign policy

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was his foreign policy vision. You know, he'd come into

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office and everybody said he's going to lead us into

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nuclear war, and instead you had Abraham Accords and all

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these great things in the works, and Rush Limbaugh that

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I think that was the time that Rush Limbaugh received

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his presidential mental freedom, which I thought was an important

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moment for conservatism. It was just a really great night.

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And then, of course, a few weeks later, the world

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implodes with the response with the COVID pandemic and the

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response to the COVID pandemic, and it was it became

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not just a horrible year, but that leads to Joe

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Biden being elected and for really years for the country

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where it just seems we've lost something that was special

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about what we had, and so going into this, I

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was not really looking forward to the speech because one

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thing I like about the current Trump administration is that

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they're just doing stuff. It's like less talk, more doing.

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but not always a lot of like the tweeting showed

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the intent, but the obstruction was such that it was

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really hard to get anything done. Now there's clearly the

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obstruction happening. There are lawsuits filed every day and all that,

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but I just didn't feel like the need to hear

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from him, So I wasn't that. I wasn't anticipating it

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that much. And I even tuned in late because I

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was doing some stuff with the children that needed my attention,

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and so I tune in and I see a scene

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from the back of the Democrat side and they're all

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holding these paddles that look like auction paddles, and I

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was really confused because it's like from the back, so

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there's nothing written on them, and I was like, what

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is going on here? And that was my entree into

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the speech, and then I, you know, I was late

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enough that it didn't seem that long, and it went

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through the litany of like the things I don't like

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about state of the unions, you know, we're going to

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do this, We're going to do that, and all the data,

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and then it turned into I think some really great

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speech writing and inspirational and beautiful stuff.

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Speaker 1: At the end, you can always tell what's written and

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what he you know, ad libs. So he'll say, like

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he's going through the litany of funding that we have

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been giving the world, you know, and then he's like,

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and then the country, you know, we give the country

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of you know, Congo.

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Speaker 3: Or les Etho or whatever it was.

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, a billion dollars and no one knows

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where that country is. Like you know that the no

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one knows where that country is. It's his ad lib

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and it's always funny and it's true and people at

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home probably who are watching.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how this did ratings wise. Laugh at that.

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Speaker 1: I thought the the you know, when people hold what

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are those things, those auction things that they held auctions paddles, Right,

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it's very dumb, I think for politicians in the modern

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age to pulled up signs or paddles, because immediately you

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go on Twitter and everyone is just putting other words

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Speaker 3: I just think it's a bad idea for them to

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do that.

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Speaker 2: David, don't tell them that. I want them to keep

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doing that forever. I don't care if a Republican Democrat

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it is so fun to dunk on these people.

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Speaker 1: With their I don't think any politician listens to me,

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so we're safe in that regard. But I did think

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it was a glimp. The whole speech gave us a

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glimpse of the dynamics in place in American politics right now,

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why Democrats are just this out of touch lost party.

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Trump gives again, you have to agree with everything, an uplifting, patriotic,

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pro American speech, and the whole time, the left demeanor

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is completely sour and weird. They're weird. For instance, they

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won't stand up for the parents of the slain nurse

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from Georgia.

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Speaker 3: What was her name? Lake and Riley?

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Speaker 2: Right, Riley.

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Speaker 1: They won't even stand up like that is insanity. They

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won't even stand up for a kid who has cancer

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who's given a I'm sorry, I wish I DJ Daniel

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is that his name? Who was given an honorary Secret

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Service agent, you know, Badge or whatever, like your two partisan.

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the world that you're out of touch with normies.

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Speaker 2: So I came in after this had happened, but I

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watched the part where al green got up and shouted

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with his cane, And first off, I have no idea

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what al Greene was shouting did. I don't know if

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anyone knows what he was shouting.

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Speaker 3: Was Medicaid cuts made? I don't even know, honestly.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So that's so interesting to me. I mean, I

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just want to people of what happened when that Republican

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member said, you lie to Obama when he lied and

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claimed that Obamacare would not in any way benefit illegal aliens,

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and people were apoplectic with rage over this. How dare

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how unbecoming? How racist to shout at someone of a

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different race during the State of the Union when you

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should be so respectful and so polite. Or you might

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remember when Obama falsely characterized a Supreme Court decision that

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Speaker 3: I think it was like foreign Yeah, I think it.

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Speaker 2: Was related to something some aspect of that. And Justice Alito,

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who does not have a poker face at all, mouths

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the words, that's not.

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Speaker 3: True and shakes his head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, without realizing that because you know, because Obama

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had just mentioned the Supreme Court. Of course, all the

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cameras are on the members of the Supreme Court. And

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again it was a big story, even as media like

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up to and including Linda Greenhouse had to admit that

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technically Alito was right and that what Obama had said

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was not true, and these were big stories. And here

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cane shouting and having to get kicked out of the chamber,

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Maybe I'm wrong, I'm not reading.

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Speaker 3: Can I can I admit something.

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Speaker 1: I believe, you know, to some level that decorum and

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civility is necessary to have a free country and all that,

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that word by people want to shut down others from

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protests and talking. So I wouldn't mind if these congressional

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you know, speeches and stuff had the booing and the

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yelling that the British Parliament has. I am I'm all

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in on that. I love that stuff. That's the only

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reason I watched that stuff on ces, we're off.

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Speaker 2: To a horrible start, because I completely agree with that,

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and I don't care if it's a Republican or a

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Democrat necessarily, like there is a place for just letting

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people speak and being respectful of the office of the presidency.

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I get that, but I also get that these are

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fraught debates. And Okay, so my point being though, that

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there's this cartoonish hostility from Democrats and then, as you

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point out, they don't stand for mothers whose daughters were

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killed by their policies, or you know, kids with terminal cancer,

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or a kid who finds out he gets into the

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military academy after his dad was killed. You know, all

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these things that they could. You can say they're manipulative.

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You can say that, you know, it's a bad move

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that Reagan made to doing this kind of from the

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gallery storytelling. But if Democrats wanted to be more effective,

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I think merely standing and applauding these children or the

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mother of these children would make their other arguments go

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so much further than when they just look this hostile.

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And at the beginning of the speech, according to something

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I read in The Federalist, Donald Trump began by saying

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there was nothing he could do to make these people

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not hate him, and they then proceeded to He's like

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I could announce se cure for cancer and they would

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still hate it. And he basically proceeded to have them

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showing that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he baited them into it almost right. It's

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very interesting to me too, so when I say, hold on.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bait because they could have easily they

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could have easily shown him to be not true by

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applauding on a few things that they agreed on, but.

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Speaker 1: The whole entire and I think this is a problem

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all around. But everyone seems to like everything they believe

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and everything they think hinges on wherever Donald Trump is

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going or doing. It's an insane way to look at

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the world. But equickly, I want to.

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Speaker 3: Say, there's a woman.

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Speaker 1: She was a congresswoman name was Melanie Stansberg who was

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from New Mexico and held up a sign when Trump

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was walking in that said, oh, this is not normal, right,

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And then Democrats went about to prove that they it

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is a normal.

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Speaker 3: They are not normal.

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Speaker 1: So the there was going to be a walkout, right,

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and there was a walkout, and Axios reported that the

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Democrats had drawn had a red line. I'll give you

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the quote quickly right here. Criticism of transgender kids was

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brought up as the line in the sand that would

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trigger members to storm out. First of all, if no

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one is criticizing transgendered kids, they're criticizing adults who irreparably

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mutilate confused children or demand that men, you know, compete

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with women in sports, Like this is an eighty twenty

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issue that we talk about with Donald Trump, and yet

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this is their line in the sand, Like they are

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completely out of touch. It's not like with America and

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normal people. And that was the that's the line in

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the sand. You know, it's just so preposterous. So anyway,

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you know, that's just one of the many things that

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I think just reflected really poorly on them.

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Speaker 3: I think they're a lost party.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this last night as they were

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trying to articulate their hostility to him, and I want

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to revisit what you just said about the this is

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not normal. There were two reasons why that sign I

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didn't think resonated. Well, there are multiple reasons. First, let's

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talk about how Donald Trump not being normal is a

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really big part of why America loves him. They are

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used to the normal approach to the problems that we face,

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and they don't like the normal approach. They wish that

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Donald Trump's approach were more normal. They wish more people

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were doing what he's doing. So when they're like, this

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is not normal, it's almost like a pro Trump sign.

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And then on the other hand, if you just look

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at it, here's something this is not normal to do.

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To hold up a sign saying this is not normal

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while the president walks by, and to be like so

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performative and weird.

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Speaker 3: That's not normal and weird, there works weird, and.

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Speaker 2: They just weren't being normal for the whole time. Most

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people can set aside personal differences to applaud a kid

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with terminal cancer who wants to be a secret service agent.

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we keep talking about how Democrats are on the wrong

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side of eighty twenty issues, I think that might be

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like a ninety nine to one issue or more. Of course,

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you applaud a kid with terminal brain cancer like that,

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it's not a difficult job. And so when she says

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this is not normal, it's sort of like a self description,

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We're not normal. She's saying, well, you're right, and it's

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not going very well for people.

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Speaker 1: Another issue that really stands out for me is the

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anarchy on the border. Now, obviously Donald Trump comes in,

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his administration comes in and crossings illegal crossings, a plunge,

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which tells people that Democrats either are completely incompetent or

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lying and want to see illegals crossing the border and

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creating chaos. That is an issue. I don't even care

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what Poles say. I bet you it's eighty twenty in

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the real world.

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Speaker 2: I just want to go back to what you were

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saying about the axios, claiming that Democrats had a red

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line walkout, which was if Donald Trump talked about trans children,

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and I thought this was a very compelling part of

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the speech he said. I also signed an order to

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cut off all taxpayer funding to any institution that engages

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in the sexual mutilation of our youth. And now I

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want Congress to pass a bill permanently banning and criminalizing

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sex changes on children and forever ending the lie that

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any child is trapped in the wrong body. This is

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a big lie. And our message to every child in

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America is that you are perfect, exactly the way God

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made you. I loved that part.

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Speaker 3: That's a fantastic thing.

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Speaker 2: So many different things I love about it. One, I'm

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appalled that more people aren't standing up for children and

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against the mutilation of their bodies, the removal of healthy

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body parts, the psychological abuse that comes with transing children.

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But I also like that he said, Congress, you need

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to do something here. So a lot of what Trump

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is doing people like. But there's a limit to what

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can be done through the executive and there's a limit

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to what should be done through the executive because our

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Article one branch, which I believe is superior, Congress is

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the one that has kind of destroyed the country by

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passing away all of its authority to the executive agencies

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that are also running wild. And if we're going to

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fix what's wrong with our government, we need a much

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more active Congress to do the hard work of legislating

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properly and so I liked the call for that, and

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then more than anything, I liked the positive message for

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children of you know, letting them know that, yes, the

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way God made them male or female is a gift

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and not a bad thing. And I think a big

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reason why I'm so happy to be a woman, and

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why my brother's so happy to be a man, and

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my sister's so happy to be a woman, you know,

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et cetera, et cetera. My parents were really good about

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treating our sex as something that was awesome, and so

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it's hard to be a woman. It's hard to be

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a man, and it's really hard when culture is telling

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you that you can change these things or preaching only

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what's bad about being a male or female. And I

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think we need more encouragement for boys and girls about

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how awesome it is to be a boy or a

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girl and make it a really positive thing.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I feel like that was

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the norm in the world until very recently that we've

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kind of celebrated what it meant to be a girl

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or a boy.

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Speaker 2: No, I think feminism. So I'm one of these people

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who thinks that the transing children is you can kind

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of do a direct line from feminism to the transing children.

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And for many decades, and certainly for most of everyone

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who's alives exist, there has been this idea that being

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a woman is a really bad thing and that it's

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something to be fought against, and that you need interventions

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so you can be just like a man. So that means,

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you know, regulating how many children you have, or preventing children,

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or preventing just biological reality. And once you start accepting

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some of these viewpoints, it's not that far of a

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line to you know, genital mutilation. So I am glad

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that my parents weren't feminists and that they made it

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really awesome to be a woman. Like my parents just

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I don't know, they were acknowledging there were these differences,

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but not in a bad way, not like you're a woman,

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so you can't do this, but more like you're a woman,

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you get to do this, And same with my brother,

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and I like that.

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Speaker 1: Just to take a step back to something else you said,

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I think is really important is that Congress has to

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be more active in doing a lot of stuff. First

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of all, it's just it's not going to be permanent

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in any real way. If Congress doesn't make changes and

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puts limitations on the executive branch. But moreover, American people

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elected Donald Trump because they wanted stability, competence, normalcy, not.

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Speaker 3: Chaos. Right.

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Speaker 1: I do think it's slightly like I love what Doge does.

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In fact, I don't think it does enough frankly, but

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not everyone's me.

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Speaker 3: They don't.

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Speaker 1: People, I think get a little bit worried when there's

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just this chainsaw that's going through government that may sooner

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or later cut something that they care about, you know

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what I mean, that doesn't use a scalpel, but is

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using a chain So do I just I worry about

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that to some extent for him, I don't know how

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you feel about that position.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I've been thinking about this a lot. And

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I was at church this morning talking with a friend

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who recently left federal work to have her first baby,

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and how she doesn't regret it at all, and she's

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someone who's a very hard working She was a very

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hard working fed in a role that's really important that

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deals with national security type stuff. And we were just

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talking about all of our friends that are in federal

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service who are worried, you know, and everything's so crazy

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what's going on now. But what's really crazy is that

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it's the first time there's ever been any oversight whatsoever.

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And no one understands better the wide variety of quality

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of federal work than a federal employee. I was thinking

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about how the first time I went to the FCC

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to cover something for the newspaper that I was working at,

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I encountered a woman who had turned her computer. Do

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you remember the old days where you would put the

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floppy desk disc into like a tower.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that called the tower? Wasn't it just

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called the tower?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. So she had turned it around and

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she was drying her fingernails on the fan that was

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in the back, and it was clear that she just

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wasn't doing any work to the point that she didn't

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need her computer to be accessible for a floppy disk,

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you know. And then you go down the hall and

479
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you're you meet with someone who's kind of keeping the

480
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:24,880
whole organization running and doing real work and doing it

481
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,000
for everybody, including these people who were drying their fingernails

482
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,319
on the fan on the back of the computer tower.

483
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And covering the federal government at federal times for many years,

484
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:37,559
you would talk to these managers who had to keep

485
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:41,200
promoting people to get them out of their agencies because

486
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:46,039
they were causing so much work by being bad employees.

487
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,240
But there was nothing you could do to them except

488
00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:50,559
for promote them out. And so there's this like people

489
00:26:50,559 --> 00:26:53,920
are rising well beyond their level of incompetence because it's

490
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,079
the only way to deal with them, and they are

491
00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,640
all these problems. Okay, so nothing can be done, nothing

492
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,480
can be done to affect these people. And now it's

493
00:27:02,519 --> 00:27:04,880
a bit chaotic the way that they're cutting things. And

494
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,119
I think for a lot of people, we just don't care.

495
00:27:07,559 --> 00:27:09,960
I don't mean to be rude or callous, it's just

496
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that if your options are do literally nothing as the

497
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,440
administrative state destroys the country, or have a bit of

498
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,759
a chaotic cutting and slicing and dicing operation, people are like, yeah,

499
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:24,880
it's going to be chaotic because that's the only way

500
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,000
you can do it. And also you can't even do

501
00:27:27,079 --> 00:27:30,599
that because you've got every single fed who's losing their

502
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:36,799
job filing for an injunction and rogue judges granting them,

503
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,720
and it's, you know, it's really messy. But Jeffrey Tucker,

504
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:44,039
I thought had a really good thing about you know,

505
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,079
kind of looking at the history of the administrative state,

506
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,759
why it's been so difficult to rein it in, and

507
00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:52,160
why that means by definition, it has to be a

508
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,680
little chaotic, and that people need to accept that. But

509
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I don't think that. I actually don't think a lot

510
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,759
of Americans care. They're used to chaos in the private

511
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,200
se and they just don't care that the FEDS have

512
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,480
been insulated from that for one hundred years.

513
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Speaker 3: I don't think they care yet. I think most people care.

514
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Speaker 1: But most people are also aren't ideological like Jeffrey Tucker

515
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,720
or someone like that, so once things start affecting them,

516
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I think they will to some extent care.

517
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 2: Can I just go I just found the Jeffrey Tucker

518
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,759
thing and it's long, but I kind of want to

519
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:21,000
go through it a little bit. He says, I'm concerned

520
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,400
that many people do not understand the historical and institutional

521
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,599
context in which the DOGE labor reforms are unfolding. They

522
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:32,519
look at this as if these are some random, chaotic, arbitrary, strange,

523
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,240
and even cruel measures to impose on a devoted civil service.

524
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,000
The reality is very different, and he's like, I'm not

525
00:28:39,039 --> 00:28:42,960
even sure if Elon understands this. But the bureaucracies have

526
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,279
ballooned from a few to four hundred and fifty or so.

527
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,440
The bloat and absurdities have grown too. No one has

528
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,319
ever known what to do about it, not Coolidge, Hoover, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton,

529
00:28:54,559 --> 00:28:57,079
no one. No one has been able to crack the nut.

530
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,839
Countless cabinet secretaries have come and gone with the intent

531
00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:02,599
of making changes. They've been unable to do it. No

532
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,400
president has seriously taken on this problem because they simply

533
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,599
did not know how. The unions are powerful. The intimidation

534
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,039
from deep institutional knowledge is overwhelming. The fear of the

535
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:15,359
media has been powerful. Every single president comes to power

536
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:19,119
vaguely feeling threatened by the intel. Agencies and the industries

537
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:22,200
have captured every single agency, and they're too powerful. And

538
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,799
so this combination of institutional inertia has blocked serious reform

539
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,640
for a full century. No one has dared, No one

540
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,920
has had even a theory or strategy about what to

541
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,559
do about the problem, and goes on about this the

542
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,640
entire time. The American people have felt themselves ever more oppressed,

543
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:43,680
weighed upon, tax and regulated, spied upon, browbeaten, and otherwise overwhelmed.

544
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,359
Voting never made any difference because politicians no longer controlled

545
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:50,839
the system. The bureaucracies ruled all and the Biden years

546
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,680
underscored the point and how to deal with this, And

547
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,880
he's like, Trump alone has figured it out to take

548
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,880
charge of the agencies in a limited way. The job

549
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480
of the president goes the message is to put tend

550
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,680
to be in charge, but not actually do anything meaningful.

551
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,920
Shut up, mug up, obey, and disturb nothing. Let the

552
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,559
administrative state do its thing without oversight or disruption. And

553
00:30:10,599 --> 00:30:13,400
he's like, and then you have Trump this time refusing

554
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,880
to take the deal, and you're just saying, this has

555
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,000
been this way for way too long. The voters have

556
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:25,400
demanded changed this time, and Doge simply must succeed or

557
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,039
we're over as a country. And I think that's what's

558
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:31,319
scary about this is it's going to be an almost

559
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,200
impossible feat for Doge to succeed, to reign in the

560
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,799
administrative state. But without it, we will have confirmed the

561
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,000
unconstitutional fourth branch of government as the supreme branch of government,

562
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and that is an existential threat to our country.

563
00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:48,839
Speaker 1: But I think he answers his own question right in

564
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,480
the beginning. Doge can't succeed. Congress has to limit the

565
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,880
power of the executive branch and eliminate the administrative state,

566
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,759
or it's just going to blooon up again as soon

567
00:30:58,759 --> 00:31:01,799
as the Democrat gets into paw. We all know federal

568
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:08,160
government organically grows and organically regulates more and more. So

569
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,039
I love what he's doing. I think it's great, but

570
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:11,960
there's got to be a permanency to it that that

571
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,920
needs to come through legislative branch. Yeah, you think that's separate.

572
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: We're talking about two separate things. Yes, partly, the administrative

573
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,079
state has grown because of Congress partly, but it's also

574
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:25,680
true that if the president doesn't control the executive agencies,

575
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:29,799
that is also a major problem. I imagine a lot

576
00:31:29,799 --> 00:31:32,359
of this stuff will be litigated, but we need to

577
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,880
come to a place where people truly understand that there's

578
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,599
no such thing as an agency independent from the people.

579
00:31:40,599 --> 00:31:45,039
You know, no agency can be independent from the people's oversight.

580
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,319
And the people do oversite partly through Congress, but partly

581
00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,400
through the head of the executive branch. So they both need,

582
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,160
like Congress needs to change its lawmaking and make some

583
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,039
things permanent but we need to establish that the president

584
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,799
is in fact the EXECUS as the Constitution says.

585
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree with all that.

586
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: I think the administrative state was created by people who

587
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,359
didn't care about the Constitution, you know, Wilson, Fdr Johnson, Nixon,

588
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,440
and others. My point is that the way to control

589
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,960
it is to keep it at limited in scope. If

590
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,160
it's massive, you can't control it. Even Trump in this

591
00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:26,440
first term was basically the administrative state ruled over him.

592
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,400
In fact, in some sense, they undermined his presidency, completely

593
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:31,640
took the power away. Well, I'm just saying if you

594
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,319
consider a law enforcement part of that administrative state. So

595
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:38,480
my only point is that if Congress said you can't

596
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,640
create just you know, we're going to eliminate the USAID.

597
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,079
It's no longer an agency you can't just create. You know,

598
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:47,720
you need to. Congress needs to take power back as well.

599
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:50,680
I mean in the sense you know, I don't think

600
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,839
they want to. I just think their lives are easier

601
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,519
when the president takes all the heat. Personally, as a

602
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:58,160
small libertarian, I'm very happy about this because it's going

603
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,880
to take decades to fit, as it were, what Musk

604
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,759
has done to the administrative state.

605
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,839
Speaker 5: Should we officially shut down the Postal Service? The Watchdout

606
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,839
on Wall Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris

607
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,680
helps unpack the connection between politics and the economy and

608
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,279
how it affects your wallet. The Postal Service had a

609
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,319
monopoly in the United States and it still couldn't make

610
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,200
money after the email revolution.

611
00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:25,799
Speaker 3: They didn't change a thing.

612
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 5: Should it be bought out by a big tech firm

613
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,519
like Amazon. Whether it's happening in DC or down on

614
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,200
Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

615
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:32,799
Speaker 3: Be informed.

616
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 5: Check out the watchdod on Wall Street podcast with Chris

617
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618
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Speaker 3: Are we done with that? Do you want to talk

619
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,759
about Zelenski?

620
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,599
Speaker 2: Well, maybe a way to transition to that is to

621
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,119
point out that while the Democrats were unable to stand

622
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,400
up for children or the mothers of deceased children, they

623
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,319
did clap that at that really weird moment that Trump

624
00:33:57,599 --> 00:34:00,960
pointed out that they were applauding, which was when he said,

625
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,079
would you want this Ukraine war to continue for another

626
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,280
five years? At which point Elizabeth Warren starts clapping vigorously

627
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,760
that she would like the war to continue for five years.

628
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:15,159
Did you see that?

629
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

630
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: Wrote a comm it's not out yet, you know. I

631
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:22,480
just think a lot of there's a lot of sophistry

632
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:26,840
in this debate. There's a lot of I just every

633
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,760
side annoys me, and it's weird to clap for something

634
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,559
like that, especially in the way that the Trump framed it.

635
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:40,000
But I don't think that. I hate when people are like, oh,

636
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480
you don't want peace. Yeah, I think peace is great,

637
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:45,280
but it's kind of ridiculous to say that piece is

638
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,360
always preferable to war, when sometimes war means defending your

639
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,480
liberty or your sovereignty or whatever. So, you know, I

640
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,280
think it's a loaded question.

641
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: I guess, son, hold on, aren't you straw manning that?

642
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,559
Speaker 3: Well?

643
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: I get that personally, Oh you're against peace, you don't

644
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,320
want peace in Ukraine?

645
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,079
Speaker 3: You know that sort of argument.

646
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 2: Okay, So I do think, actually, first off, that peace

647
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:13,880
should be the goal of humanity. I'm going to go

648
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,159
out on a limb here and say that peace is

649
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,400
good and war is bad. In general, people should be

650
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:23,079
moving toward peace and people should care. It struck me.

651
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,039
In our prayers of the church, we pray, for instance,

652
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:30,239
for the president every week, regardless of who is the president,

653
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:35,079
and we pray for an end to all wars, regardless

654
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:40,239
of the war. Now, there are things that are worse

655
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:46,320
than peace, right, like es right, But I think we've

656
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,840
kind of been moving away from a good societal value

657
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,519
of peace being something we should seek and peaceful understanding

658
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,559
that war is horrific for people who are subjected to it,

659
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,639
and trying to avoid it unless absolutely necessary. And if

660
00:36:04,679 --> 00:36:07,039
you look at Christian philosophers who have talked about this

661
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:10,559
throughout history, the strict limits they place on when and

662
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:14,480
how you can engage in more those are good things

663
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,119
that we just kind of stopped talking about. And it

664
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:25,079
concerns me now with Ukraine. I do think that it's

665
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,199
okay if you say Ukraine is one of these things

666
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,280
where peace is worse than war. That's an okay argument

667
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,400
to make, But you have to make the argument, like

668
00:36:36,039 --> 00:36:41,039
explain how continuing this war is in anybody's interest or

669
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,079
what is this? Particularly the thing that I just keep

670
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,719
waiting for and I used to anger people I think

671
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,960
by asking for it on television would be what is

672
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:57,519
the strategy for success against nuclear Russia? Like what is

673
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,440
the strategy? How is this going to work. Nobody ever

674
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:05,119
answers that, and they have never even like pretended to

675
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:07,400
answer it or tried to answer it. They just kind

676
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,079
of do the Elizabeth Warren clapping for five more years

677
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:14,599
of war, and the result of that has been absolutely

678
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,360
horrific for the people of Ukraine. You know, Zelenski and

679
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,159
his meeting got really mad that Trump said that the

680
00:37:20,199 --> 00:37:23,039
war had been bad for Ukraine. He's like, that's Russian

681
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,599
disinformation that Vladimir Putin is saying. And then like a

682
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:28,840
minute later he says, and by the way, this war

683
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,280
has been horrible for our country. And it's like, that's

684
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,559
literally what Trump just said. You know, that cities are

685
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,519
being destroyed, that men's lives are being lost, that a

686
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:42,239
whole generation of men are dying in Ukraine, all nothing.

687
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: But the problem for me, okay, the problem for me

688
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,679
there is the people a lot of you know, on

689
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:55,039
the right in America say that that is Zelenski's fault. He,

690
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,639
you know, for fighting a war where he was his

691
00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:59,599
country was invaded. I don't know that he had any

692
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:01,719
choice other than to fight that war. You didn't start

693
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,639
that war. We could talk about the reasons supposedly Russi invaded.

694
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:07,000
But can I take a quick step back and let's

695
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,440
just talk about that meeting. I find myself in the

696
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,199
middle of this thing. You know, it's just my position,

697
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,760
and I would say, it's clear to me that Zelenski

698
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,559
made a massive historic mistake. Maybe he can correct it

699
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,360
because Trump is, you know, just wants this deal done,

700
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,039
obviously signing the middle of deal. But the idea that

701
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:28,960
you would challenge your patron and the president who doesn't

702
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,119
really care as much about you know, who's who's willing

703
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:36,360
to who's not willing to just continue sending you weaponry forever,

704
00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:39,559
was just insanity.

705
00:38:39,639 --> 00:38:42,199
Speaker 3: It just tells me that he is not really right

706
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:43,679
for that role. You know.

707
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,079
Speaker 1: Benjamin Ettanna who used to come and talk, you know,

708
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:49,079
and sit there with Barack Obama and Joe Biden, antagonist

709
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,840
to his country, who were trying to basically give Iranians

710
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,079
nuclear We helped Mauranians get nuclear weapons, and he somehow

711
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:00,719
navigated that. Zelenski is zero zero leverage. That was just

712
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,840
to me, just just embarrassing for him. But I understand

713
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,800
why he wants to fight. I understand why he says

714
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,519
it's not a disaster to defend your country, even though

715
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people do die because there are some things worse than pas.

716
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Speaker 5: I don't know.

717
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,119
Speaker 2: I've never liked Celenski as much as everybody else did,

718
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,159
although I admired his bravery at the beginning and stuff

719
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,519
like that. But I don't understand why people get so Okay,

720
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:28,920
I do understand why people get so angry at him,

721
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,559
but I wish they would understand that he's really just

722
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:36,440
operating as a vassal agent of us, Like why get

723
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,519
mad at him when he's just doing what we've asked

724
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:42,440
him to do the whole time. You know, he's not

725
00:39:42,519 --> 00:39:45,519
the problem. It's our foreign policy that's the problem, or

726
00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:50,960
that has not handled the Ukraine issue well, going back

727
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,480
to twenty fourteen, when, of course we were very involved

728
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:57,519
in the coup. I mean, we were openly and proudly

729
00:39:57,559 --> 00:40:00,280
involved in the coup in twenty fourteen. That kind of

730
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,400
set everything in motion in a bad way. And I mean,

731
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,840
I know that twenty fourteen doesn't start things either that

732
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,679
you really have to go back, like a thousand years.

733
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,719
But I don't want to do that. But Zelenski's not

734
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,320
made in a vacuum like this is all the result

735
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,159
of US encouraging and financing and supporting what he was doing.

736
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480
So when people get mad at him, I think it's

737
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:24,400
misplaced anger.

738
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Speaker 1: You think the alleged twenty fourteen coup was in the

739
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:34,079
reaction to the Russians infiltrating essentially that government with their own.

740
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,679
I guess coup. I mean this idea. It just seems

741
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:40,960
to me that a lot of people make rationalizations and

742
00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:44,239
justifications for how Poutin acts, but will give Zelenski and

743
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,440
Ukrainians no quarter in anything that they do. So he's

744
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,800
just a puppet of the United States, essentially, is what

745
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,800
you're saying. Where we created this entity as if they

746
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,000
have no agency, and I just don't think that's true.

747
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,360
I think they have agency. I think they're defending their country.

748
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,960
It makes complete sense to me, and I just don't

749
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,840
understand why we can't accept that reality.

750
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, I didn't actually mean to say.

751
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,360
You know, when you people accidentally say something that turns

752
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,519
out that it's a loaded phrase or something like that.

753
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,719
You said alleged coup because you would describe what happened

754
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,840
in twenty fourteen as what like a revolution.

755
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 1: I would say that that with Western help, the pro

756
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:33,960
western Ukrainians overthrew the pro Russian faction that also came

757
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,639
into power and also shady ways, so you know, it's

758
00:41:36,679 --> 00:41:39,320
a shady, corrupt country. It's a weird place, Okay.

759
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: I just wanted to make sure like I wasn't trying

760
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,599
to say I was trying to be neutral with that,

761
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:48,400
and I realized as soon as you reacted and called

762
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,119
it alleged that it wasn't a neutral way of describing it.

763
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,559
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't even call it either a coup exactly.

764
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:54,320
But I get what you're.

765
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,599
Speaker 2: Doing, but maybe like a revolution might be a more

766
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,679
neutral way to describe it.

767
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: I guess even that's seems a little much. I know

768
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,519
what you're saying.

769
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:07,599
Speaker 2: But as far as far as agency goes, without US help,

770
00:42:09,199 --> 00:42:12,719
Ukraine would have been taken over by Russia.

771
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,559
Speaker 3: That's true, So.

772
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: It's not a complete issue of agency.

773
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Well, there is a COUNTERI history there that the Europeans

774
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:22,639
actually step up for the first time in fifty sixty

775
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,480
years and they don't let that happen and it becomes

776
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,239
maybe even a more brutal war.

777
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't know, but possibly, although I don't think they

778
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:34,079
have the capabilities, like they have really lost military capabilities

779
00:42:34,119 --> 00:42:41,119
over the last few decades. So sorry. You were saying though,

780
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:45,239
that he's this agent, he has agency, and he should

781
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,880
be deferred to in that sense.

782
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 3: And I guess, no, that's the thing we have to do.

783
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:52,480
It's best for us. I don't know.

784
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what's best for us exactly, but I

785
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,079
do know that, for instance, when I hear JD Vancy

786
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:02,079
that it's moralistic garbage, do we even care about who

787
00:43:02,159 --> 00:43:04,840
is right or wrong? And all we should care about is,

788
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,960
you know, are these cold facts and who can win

789
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,639
and who can't win?

790
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, David, did you think it was ridiculous that we

791
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:16,400
sided with the Soviets in World War Two? Because they're

792
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,159
bad people? They were bad people, went they were sided

793
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:19,599
with them.

794
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:24,159
Speaker 1: But yes, but we there was a larger, bigger moral fight.

795
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,920
Nazis never attacked New York or California, and we still

796
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,840
fought them. There was a bigger moral fight to be

797
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,320
had in the world. And immediately even before World War

798
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,719
Two ended, we had already turned our sites towards the

799
00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:38,360
you know, against the Soviet Union.

800
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: I think that I don't think it should be the

801
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:42,119
entire equation.

802
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:44,039
Speaker 1: If we have to be friends with the Saudi as

803
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:46,760
we will, but that we should that it's a moralistic

804
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,760
garbage to mention it like, I don't even understand what

805
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,360
Jdvan supports Israel completely, don't understand none of his None

806
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,480
of the things he says makes me think that he

807
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,760
believes it's a good idea for us to lie with,

808
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,480
for instance, Israel, because a lot of that is more realistic,

809
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:02,400
isn't it. I mean, it would be a lot easier

810
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,679
for us to just side with the Arab world all

811
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:06,920
the time and web all the oil and all that.

812
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: I think in his speech explaining his stance on Israel,

813
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:18,480
he articulated it in a national interest sense. And I

814
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,239
get that a lot of people support Israel for completely

815
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,000
like these guys good, these guys bad reasons or vice versa,

816
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,440
oppose Israel that way. But a lot of people support

817
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,599
Israel because it's they believe it's in the in our

818
00:44:31,639 --> 00:44:34,480
country's interest to have an ally like that in the

819
00:44:34,519 --> 00:44:39,480
Middle East. And it's not to say there aren't moral considerations.

820
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:43,639
It's just that if your understanding of the war in

821
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:48,800
Ukraine is based solely on Vladimir Putin invading it three

822
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,800
years ago, it's just not It's just kind of like

823
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,719
an idiotic way to approach the issue, and you know,

824
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,760
you said, why can't we understand that Zelensky has a

825
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,199
national interest and that he's advocating for his nation's interest.

826
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,400
I agree with that. I don't see what's the problem.

827
00:45:05,679 --> 00:45:08,800
You can still hate Putin and you should, frankly, but

828
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,880
you can also understand what his national interest is and

829
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,239
how it relates to the Black Sea and how Ukraine

830
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:25,320
being controlled or being in NATO affects a lot about Russia's.

831
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:26,639
Speaker 3: Health.

832
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,559
Speaker 1: So listen, I can I quickly just give I just

833
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,000
fear that I and I'm going to get we're gonna

834
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,639
get all these letters and misrepresenting my view.

835
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 3: So I just want to lay it out.

836
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: I think the notion that if Ukrainians lose their eastern

837
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,559
provinces that are Russian, you know, with a lot of

838
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:47,599
Russians in them, that the next is Sweden and Paris

839
00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:49,679
is next after that and Punin's going to roll tanks

840
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,519
in is ridiculous. Pun can barely handle Ukrainians, much less

841
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:57,320
handle a real force like the Germans or something like that.

842
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,679
So I don't believe that, nor do I believe that

843
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:06,119
it's a all work of democracy. But Trump has not

844
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,679
asked Putin to make a single concession in this deal,

845
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,840
not one. Ukrainians have to do it, and he has

846
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,000
no choice, and that's fine. So Lenski's gonna have to

847
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960
give in, but Russians give up nothing.

848
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:22,119
Speaker 2: So the United States always felt that Cuba being communist

849
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,880
was a threat because of how close it was to

850
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:32,639
our country. Do you not agree with that. We've always

851
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:36,960
been really interested in how Cuba is operating. If Mexico

852
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,480
or Canada had joined the Soviet Union, that would have

853
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:45,880
been viewed as a threat to our country.

854
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: Correct.

855
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:50,159
Speaker 2: And when you say, like, why would putin care if

856
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:55,719
Ukraine joins NATO, it's basically moving the US border right

857
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,119
up against Russia's because we.

858
00:46:59,199 --> 00:47:02,079
Speaker 1: Russia should be if the US border was on its border,

859
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:04,199
because we make countries around US richer.

860
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,079
Speaker 3: But more than that, there's a big difference.

861
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,400
Speaker 2: That's kind of a good argument.

862
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,199
Speaker 3: Go on.

863
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: Sorry, Unfortunately, Moldovia and Finland are not the United States,

864
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,880
so it's a little different. I'm not listen, it's complicated,

865
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,840
and I get it. All I'm saying is I find

866
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,199
that there's a lot of sophistry going on here in

867
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:25,199
the debate here.

868
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to say I think even though

869
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,039
Russia is poor and they don't have the capability of

870
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:36,239
rolling across Europe. And it's a good way to know

871
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,159
if you should pay attention to someone or not is

872
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:40,639
if they say that that Putin's going to be on

873
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,039
the march, if he gets like a sliver of Ukraine.

874
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,159
It does view itself as an ered. Let me see

875
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,440
a lot of people speak as if Russia is the

876
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,599
Soviet Union. Even this week I saw Democrat tweet how

877
00:47:57,159 --> 00:48:01,440
it was a communist country. A lot of people are

878
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,280
stuck in the eighties and thinking about Russia. There really

879
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,199
is a communist empire, and it is flowing from China,

880
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:15,599
you know, rooted in China, the communist China. And that's

881
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,920
the thing I have a We are hostile to Russia,

882
00:48:19,039 --> 00:48:23,559
and the Democrats are particularly hostile. They really hate Russia

883
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:27,039
and they really hate Putin. And I think it's naive

884
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,320
to say that if Ukraine were in NATO, and by

885
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:34,519
the way, that would be all like downside, we think

886
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,320
those other countries aren't paying their fair share of their defense.

887
00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:39,400
We're like, let's add a country that's right on the

888
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,440
border that's in ruins, and that'll go well for us.

889
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,199
Speaker 1: It's so I don't think you Krane should be and

890
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:45,840
I don't think Ukraine should be in NATO. I don't

891
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,840
even think NATO should exist as it does right now.

892
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,519
Speaker 2: But go on, oh I misheard you. I'm fighting with

893
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:51,519
you about something you didn't.

894
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,079
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying I don't think they should be

895
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:54,679
in NATO, and I don't think they were going to

896
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,880
be in they were going to be in NATO. I

897
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,039
think that's a pretext for war. But just want to

898
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:00,719
say I agree with you one hundred percent. Russia is

899
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,239
not the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was driven by

900
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,719
an ideology that was universal. They wanted the whole world

901
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,360
before proxy wars against them all over that world. But

902
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,000
it's also not true that a country can't hold off

903
00:49:12,039 --> 00:49:14,199
in nuclear power. I hear people saying that constantly. The

904
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:20,800
Vietnamese disagree, the Afghans disagree twice, the Algerians disagree. I mean,

905
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,679
you can do it, and honestly, Ukrainians, and it was

906
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,599
with a high costs, were doing it. So it's just

907
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,679
it just seems to me we're not having it on.

908
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 2: And so you're just saying they could just do it

909
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,880
into perpetuity, like we could just we could just.

910
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,800
Speaker 1: Honest saying I The problem for me is I don't

911
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:38,199
know if they want to do it because we don't

912
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:40,960
have elections in Ukraine. But if people want to fight

913
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:43,679
for their country, I don't think we should. Could you know,

914
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,239
treat them? You have to admit this. I mean, most

915
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,639
Trump fans in the United States talk about Zelenski with

916
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,159
such hatred like they wouldn't they could never muster it

917
00:49:52,199 --> 00:49:54,159
for Putin, many of them like the Tucker Carlson's of

918
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,559
the world, or on Putin's side. I mean, I'm not

919
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,480
I'm not being like Chris Murphy here when I say that.

920
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:03,360
I mean it's pretty clear. So I just think that

921
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,440
we're not getting really a straight debate on this as

922
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,320
a foreign policy shoe. I want peace there.

923
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,679
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like the different attitude and

924
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,039
the two leaders also relates to how much money is

925
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:17,199
going from an average American's wallet to one of the

926
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:22,360
two men, and also their attitude toward us in response

927
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,679
to that amount of money. Like Putin for being an

928
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,840
adversary is not causing people the day to day pain,

929
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:33,599
I mean, except indirectly.

930
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: Putin's not'm causing us in direct plane, but Zelenski is

931
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,480
because we're giving him money, is what you're saying.

932
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 2: Trying to say, like you're claiming that people are disliking

933
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,639
Zelenski more than Putin. I don't know if that's true.

934
00:50:46,679 --> 00:50:49,719
I don't think Putin has very favorable ratings in this country.

935
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,960
But I'm just trying to say, maybe Zelenski's attitude is

936
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,039
a part of the problem here.

937
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he's good at his job. Are we

938
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,239
ready to talk about culture?

939
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:02,159
Speaker 3: I think so.

940
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: Let's talk first. I think about Gene Hackman, who died.

941
00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:10,960
We didn't get a chance to discuss it last week. Now,

942
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,920
he's one of these people two things. I want to

943
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,320
quickly say, it's one of these people or actors who

944
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,119
you don't know you love. But then when you think

945
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,519
about it a bit, you're like, he's always awesome, almost

946
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,039
in every role. I went through, you know, all his movies,

947
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,719
and he's just been there and he's been awesome. And

948
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,519
then it hit me, and we mentioned this offline, but

949
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,000
he's gone. He hasn't he retired twenty years ago, like

950
00:51:32,039 --> 00:51:35,000
in twenty two thousand and four was his last movie,

951
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:37,480
And it doesn't feel like that long ago. It just

952
00:51:37,519 --> 00:51:39,559
feels like, you always see him on TV, you're always

953
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:44,440
watching him in movies. I don't know, I know you were.

954
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:45,880
I think you were a big fan too, right.

955
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,639
Speaker 2: I love him and I don't even know why I

956
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:51,079
love him so much. I just think he's a great

957
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:58,119
actor who so embodies the roles that he's in that

958
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:01,920
you just he's just completely long in them and it's

959
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,159
a joy to watch someone who's like that. I feel

960
00:52:04,159 --> 00:52:06,440
like Robert Duval is also like that. It's another one

961
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,039
of my favorites, maybe my favorite.

962
00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about this before. With the seventies, just

963
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,239
had these everyman actors. You know, they weren't like beautiful

964
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,000
or anything, you know, or super attractive, but they were

965
00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:20,000
just like gritty and got into their roles and it

966
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:21,760
was just a lot of fun.

967
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 2: I was talking to my two best friends in October.

968
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,039
This is a political thing, but they're super super liberal,

969
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:32,760
and I was thinking about how during the Obama era,

970
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,400
every time there was any photo from the White House,

971
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:40,440
it was perfect. I mean it was like a beautifully

972
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,440
composed shot with beautiful people. Everything about it was perfect.

973
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,400
And then when Trump came into office, there would be

974
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,639
these photos of him meeting with normal people. First of all,

975
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,880
nobody was looking beautiful. They weren't composed well, like you know,

976
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,480
the shots weren't balanced. You'd have the tall people over

977
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:00,880
here and short people and you know, but it was

978
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,480
so authentic that it was riveting, like you'd kind of

979
00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:08,199
things had gotten so beautiful that you no longer saw them,

980
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,119
whereas Trump would have this like awful shot, grainy photograph

981
00:53:12,159 --> 00:53:14,480
and you were like, oh, that's very interesting. And that's

982
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:16,239
kind of what I feel like about movies from the

983
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,760
seventies when you look now and everyone is so beautiful.

984
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:25,280
The women in particular are just gorgeous, and their bodies

985
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,079
are perfect, and you see the naked bodies and the

986
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,320
faces all been sculpted to perfection. And then you go

987
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,800
back to these seventies movies and the women are natural

988
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:37,960
and not natural, but you know what I mean, Like

989
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,599
they're whatever. They're whatever the breast size God gave them,

990
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,599
that's the one they're working with. And you see a

991
00:53:42,599 --> 00:53:47,480
lot of variety, and you see differences about their teeth

992
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:49,679
and their skin and everything, and you suddenly get like

993
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:53,239
obsessed with them because they're so it's just like there's

994
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:55,639
something grabbing you. It's snagging you I was like with

995
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:56,079
the men.

996
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, I was watching something. I think it was

997
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,519
Karen Black. Do you remember that actor, you know, and

998
00:54:00,599 --> 00:54:07,079
she's slightly weird looking but very attractive and like looks

999
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,559
I don't know, a little cross eyed.

1000
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:13,559
Speaker 3: Maybe we're like and it's so sexy, yes, or like.

1001
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,639
Speaker 1: Was another one Leslie and Warren or like, yeah, they

1002
00:54:17,679 --> 00:54:19,960
were just they were just all kinds of different like

1003
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,840
women and men act, you know, and the men they

1004
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,320
just were, you know, much more authentic, and I think

1005
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,800
that that comes through.

1006
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,679
Speaker 2: Okay, So which movies from the seventies are you're thinking about?

1007
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Because I have one I would like to talk about.

1008
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: I have a lie because I'm a male and I

1009
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:37,119
celebrate that Molly.

1010
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 3: I have a list. I made a list. It's not

1011
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,000
in any particular order. Here are my favorite movies of him. Okay.

1012
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,079
Speaker 1: I love the French connection, it's I love him in it.

1013
00:54:47,559 --> 00:54:49,280
The car chase in that movie is amazing. It's the

1014
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,760
last car chase actually in a movie that's interested me.

1015
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,000
I think I find I'm usually pretty boring. The conversation

1016
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:57,679
that's the that's the one I was going to talk

1017
00:54:57,679 --> 00:54:59,679
about about it.

1018
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: I love this movie. I love everything about the movie.

1019
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:10,960
He's like a surveillance guy and he accidentally records a murder.

1020
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,880
Why am I forgetting.

1021
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:16,159
Speaker 1: Talking about a murder? I believe right in the park there.

1022
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I forgot.

1023
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,159
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it in a while, but I know

1024
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:22,320
I love it. Yeah. Yeah, it's a Francis Ford Coppola movie.

1025
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:24,840
He made them in fact, in between I think the

1026
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,320
two Godfather movies. It's just fantastic. Here's one that I

1027
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,880
don't know people, especially people my age, will remember it,

1028
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,360
but I'm not sure younger people know. There was a

1029
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,400
Superman movie in nineteen seventy eight. I believe it was,

1030
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,360
and he played Lex Luthor and he is so good

1031
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:39,679
in it.

1032
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 2: Okay, I almost would have listed that one. I'm not

1033
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,239
a list maker, but if I were, I might have

1034
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,199
mentioned the Superman Lex Luthor role.

1035
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:51,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's so fantastic in that. I have to mention it,

1036
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,519
even though I don't think this is his strongest role

1037
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:56,239
because it doesn't really give it. Might be I don't

1038
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:57,800
have to rewatch it as Hoosiers.

1039
00:55:59,000 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: I love Hoosier.

1040
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 3: I love the movie. Yeah, he's good.

1041
00:56:04,639 --> 00:56:06,079
Speaker 2: Why do you not like that role? For I mean,

1042
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:06,800
I think that's no.

1043
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,559
Speaker 3: I do like the role.

1044
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: I just don't think that it like showcases his like

1045
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:14,920
range as much. You know, he's kind of a loaner,

1046
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:19,000
which which he Again, he's perfect for that role for sure,

1047
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,599
the unforgiven, not the just unforgiven.

1048
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:30,559
Speaker 3: He's amazing in that. Have you seen the movie Heist?

1049
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:33,679
Speaker 2: That my favorite of the genre.

1050
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a Dave David Mammott movie scripts.

1051
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: Oh that would make sense.

1052
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:41,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so this might be number one. I

1053
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,559
think I am not a massive mel Brooks fan. You know,

1054
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:46,639
people sometimes surprised that I seem like the type of

1055
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,320
guy would love it, but his him and Young Frankenstein

1056
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:53,000
playing the blind man is what is the funniest.

1057
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: Role in that movie?

1058
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:57,519
Speaker 2: It's Yeah, So those best friends I was talking about that,

1059
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,000
I was trying to convey to them, like the brilliant

1060
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:04,719
of the Trump normalcy. They didn't. They did not fall

1061
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:10,119
for it. One of my girlfriends loved Young Frankenstein, and

1062
00:57:10,199 --> 00:57:12,000
I think I was too stupid to get it. I

1063
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
would like to give it another shot. I remember she

1064
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,679
could quote everything from it and she just thought it

1065
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:18,960
was so funny, and I was like, I'm not getting this.

1066
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:21,079
I think I was too young when I saw it

1067
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:22,400
and I need to try again.

1068
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:26,519
Speaker 1: I hate to say this. I have big debates within

1069
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:29,840
my family. I'm a witty Allen guy. Right, I don't

1070
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,880
think mel Brooks movies hold up. I think they're so

1071
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,639
juvenile that they're just to get older than not that funny.

1072
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,119
I'm not saying there aren't moments. Young Frankenstein has moments.

1073
00:57:39,159 --> 00:57:41,800
I still enjoy watching it. I just don't think a

1074
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,000
lot of it holds up. Like, yeah, I don't want

1075
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,840
to get into it, but yeah, okay, here's one that

1076
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:49,639
Crimson tied.

1077
00:57:49,679 --> 00:57:50,480
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that?

1078
00:57:51,079 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: I think so. It's not on my list, but I'm

1079
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,360
willing to hear why you love it?

1080
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 1: Because it's him and Denzel Washington and they're just antagonists

1081
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:02,440
to go up against each other. And there's this one

1082
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,679
scene where Denzel Washington takes control of the submarine and

1083
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,119
it is just so amazing and the acting is just

1084
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,960
on such a level. You know, I just love that.

1085
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:17,119
What else do I have? Oh? Royal tannem Bounds. I mean,

1086
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,000
I think he was amazing in that it was completely

1087
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,559
different from anything he's ever done, and he's hilarious. I

1088
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:23,760
don't know if you've seen it.

1089
00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: I have but it's not on my list.

1090
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,639
Speaker 1: Last, but not least as Night Moves, which your husband

1091
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:35,039
mentioned to reminded me of About an Hour Ago, which

1092
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:38,079
is a movie where he plays an ex football player,

1093
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:39,440
I think, and he's kind of a private eye in

1094
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:43,719
la and I think the director is the same person

1095
00:58:43,719 --> 00:58:46,000
did Bonnie and Clyde. Maybe, but it's just a fantastic

1096
00:58:46,039 --> 00:58:47,400
movie and he's fantastic in it.

1097
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:48,719
Speaker 3: That's my list.

1098
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,519
Speaker 2: Okay. I have a few that you did not mention. Okay, okay,

1099
00:58:57,559 --> 00:58:59,960
so you covered Night Moves from Mark I haven't seen that.

1100
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,039
Love the conversation Love Hoosier's No Way Out is one

1101
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:05,440
of my all time favorites.

1102
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:07,599
Speaker 3: I love that movie.

1103
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:09,639
Speaker 1: I saw it, you know, in my late teens or

1104
00:59:09,639 --> 00:59:12,320
whenever it came out, and it bowed my mind the twists.

1105
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,519
I don't want to give it away, even though it's

1106
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:16,320
super old and he's excellent in it, playing a very

1107
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,280
flawed character, right.

1108
00:59:18,599 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: Flawed, but like because of the quality of the movie,

1109
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,679
there are layers there that are good, and I think

1110
00:59:25,679 --> 00:59:28,320
he's amazing in it. I think he's kind of like

1111
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:34,599
the gem of it. And then uh oh, Enemy of

1112
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:36,039
the State, you.

1113
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,719
Speaker 1: Know, I had that here it's the movie itself. I

1114
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,920
don't think is great. I don't love it.

1115
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:43,679
Speaker 2: I think you are a bad libertarian.

1116
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,599
Speaker 3: But go on, he's great in it. He is great

1117
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:47,920
in it.

1118
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: He makes that movie, you know, I think it's not

1119
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,039
it's just yeah, it's one of these. I actually I

1120
00:59:55,079 --> 00:59:57,519
think it might was a Tony Scott movie. The person

1121
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:59,079
did Crimson Tide.

1122
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: And then there. Okay, then this one's kind of like silly.

1123
01:00:03,719 --> 01:00:07,119
But I really like him in this role. It's not

1124
01:00:07,159 --> 01:00:09,239
like the best role, and I'm not surprised that it's

1125
01:00:09,239 --> 01:00:14,760
like right before he retires. But in Runaway Jury, oh.

1126
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: I was I almost watched that the other day because

1127
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,719
I was looking for movies he was in. I'm sure

1128
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,480
I've seen it, but I don't exactly remember.

1129
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:22,119
Speaker 3: Uh.

1130
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: It's sort of like, from a libertarian perspective, a very

1131
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:30,039
bad movie. But it's about people gaming a jury trial

1132
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:31,880
to help out tobacco companies.

1133
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,599
Speaker 1: So I would have trouble knowing who the good I

1134
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:38,440
would probably think the good guys were the people who

1135
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,360
were supposed to be the bad guys. What side is

1136
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:41,519
Gene Hackman on?

1137
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:48,039
Speaker 2: He's with the corporation, Okay, so so uh oh, he's

1138
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,280
reminded me he was in the Firm as well, which

1139
01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,719
I almost thought about that one too. That is kind

1140
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,280
of the same type role. But oh yeah, because he's yeah,

1141
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,119
the firm is actually probably better role for him. I

1142
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:04,559
might like Runaway Jury better as a film.

1143
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, that's a good list.

1144
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: I was trying to think about that. I told you

1145
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,719
about how there was a period of time where I

1146
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,159
wasn't liking new music and I was really worried that

1147
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:20,000
I was becoming old, because so much of liking new

1148
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:24,000
music is about yourself and like where you are in life.

1149
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:27,280
You know, people always think that the women they liked

1150
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,920
or the men they liked when they were having their

1151
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,519
sexual awakening, that's the best men and women, or that's

1152
01:01:33,559 --> 01:01:34,360
the best music.

1153
01:01:34,599 --> 01:01:36,599
Speaker 3: And so I was set music.

1154
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was worried that I was like losing something.

1155
01:01:39,519 --> 01:01:42,320
And then I started getting into a ton of new music,

1156
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,199
like you know, five ten years ago. But I was

1157
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:49,159
thinking about this with regard to actors, like we've named

1158
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,599
three of my favorite actors here, Gene Hackman, Robert Duvall,

1159
01:01:55,559 --> 01:01:58,559
Denzel Like I'll watch Denzel and anything. Oh yeah, And

1160
01:01:58,679 --> 01:02:01,239
I was like, they don't make I'm like I used to.

1161
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,880
I was like hearing my mother's voice in me thinking,

1162
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:07,079
but I was like, there probably are some great actors now,

1163
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,360
for sure. I loved the Timothy Challenge Chalome speech where

1164
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,719
he was saying like, I want to be a great actor.

1165
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:17,239
I was like, yeah, I like that you want to

1166
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,000
be great and you're not ashamed to admit it.

1167
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 3: I love that speech. Yeah for sure.

1168
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:25,039
Speaker 2: Oh cool, Yeah, and uh so there are good people

1169
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:27,480
like that. I just need to study up more.

1170
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, for sure there are. It's just that I

1171
01:02:31,039 --> 01:02:31,400
don't know.

1172
01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 1: I guess in the eighties, like the action movies came

1173
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,039
in and the acting kind of took a back seat,

1174
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:39,559
and then cgi started and the acting took a bad backseat,

1175
01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,800
and that, Oh, this is a good segue to the Oscars.

1176
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,559
I mean, I don't think I've seen and I do

1177
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:49,679
want to see the movie The Brutalist, which won some stuff,

1178
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,480
but the one that won most of the awards. I

1179
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,159
don't even know what it's called. I wrote it down

1180
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:58,039
somewhere about the sex workers. I mean, I have no interest. Yeah,

1181
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I just feel like the in the these you can

1182
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:04,679
make a big movie that also had just fantastic acting,

1183
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,000
like an epic you know, or even the sixties Lawrence

1184
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:09,800
of Arabia, The Godfather. I just don't feel a lot

1185
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of those movies exist anymore, movies that we can both

1186
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:16,880
look at it at art but also has commercial, widespread,

1187
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:17,719
commercial appeal.

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Speaker 3: I can't think of the last movie like that.

1189
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a very dark period of time. So I

1190
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:25,519
did not watch the Oscars. I didn't care to. I

1191
01:03:25,559 --> 01:03:28,280
didn't nothing about it mattered to me, And it used

1192
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,519
to almost be like a not a holy day, but

1193
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,559
a holiday for me, where I would I would have

1194
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,719
I watched start to finish. I rooted, I knew all

1195
01:03:36,719 --> 01:03:41,719
the films. They have new like racist and sexist standards,

1196
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,320
so that you have to meet these racist and sexist

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01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:51,880
standards to be considered for an Oscar. I have no

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inter I think, to me, the moment you stop caring

1199
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:57,400
about merit and you start elevating not just other things

1200
01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:00,880
but things that are bad, just I just don't care

1201
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about it at all. Now I do think I want

1202
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:07,000
to see a Noora, but I this could be wrong.

1203
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,599
We'll see. I'll see how it goes on my rowing

1204
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:14,760
or whatever. But I suspect it's just a decent indie film,

1205
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not a Best Picture winner.

1206
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, are we done with movies? Sure?

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01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 1: I just want to mention that I was sad and

1208
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,880
that David Johansson died lead singer of the New York Dolls.

1209
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:31,559
Later he was this character named Buster Poindexter's some big hits.

1210
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,320
It's Martin Scorsese. I think last year I had a

1211
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,960
documentary I mentioned on this show, going through his life,

1212
01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:39,960
and he's just an interesting guy. Was you know when

1213
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:41,519
I was you know, he was a New York Dolls fan.

1214
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Sad to see him pass away.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just want to say that I knew him

1216
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:54,599
mostly as Buster Poindexter first and then with New York Dolls.

1217
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I didn't know he died, and I'm shocked to hear this.

1218
01:04:57,519 --> 01:05:02,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, I do have an outing to report. There's

1219
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:05,960
this Jewish film festival that goes on near my house.

1220
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,239
Now to call it a film festival and to say

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01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:09,840
that I went is to really exact