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<v Speaker 1>You.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up Bra?

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<v Speaker 1>Not much? What's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have to I have to start off our

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<v Speaker 2>conversation today with an accountability chat because because Justin listens

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<v Speaker 2>to what were our podcasts the other day and he

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<v Speaker 2>was very upset about the things that I said about

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<v Speaker 2>our team, Darby County, the Mighty Rams. Okay, So first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, he needed me to point out that we

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<v Speaker 2>are not ship. We were ship.

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<v Speaker 1>But I have a question, can I can I ask

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<v Speaker 1>number one? I assume he's using the royal we to

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<v Speaker 1>refer to himself with the team, which I do as

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<v Speaker 1>well and will not accept any criticism for because if

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<v Speaker 1>I've put as much of my mental uh wherewithal into

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<v Speaker 1>these morons going to you know, they're gonna be we

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<v Speaker 1>and that's all there is to it. And number two,

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<v Speaker 1>are you included in we?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So yes, this is something that I've been asked

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<v Speaker 2>because apparently if I had said we are ship, then

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<v Speaker 2>it would have been endearing, yes and also correct, and

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the direct term was lovable, and so that's

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm just you know, to be clear. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got sexually transmitted Darby County, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm taking responsibility for that. As part of this,

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<v Speaker 2>he did make me listen to the game while we

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<v Speaker 2>walked to the pub yesterday and I give him updates

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<v Speaker 2>on what was happening, because since he can only hear

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<v Speaker 2>out of one ear, if he has the game in

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<v Speaker 2>one ear, then that's it. So then I had to

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<v Speaker 2>feel like and we won three one, so in your

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<v Speaker 2>face west Brom and he's like, what's going on now?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, oh, there's a lot of singing and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like west Brom or Derby and I'm like Derby

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like Dorby, whoa. He's like nice, Yeah, that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. So we have a new manager and since

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<v Speaker 2>he's taken over, we are six and eight and we

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<v Speaker 2>are not in the relegation zone anymore. Now are we

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<v Speaker 2>right above the relegation zone?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and are we not in it because of differential

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<v Speaker 2>not points? Also yes, yes, that is correct. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know these are these are.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know that episode of The Simpsons where Marge

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<v Speaker 1>starts selling pretzels and she goes to deliver pretzels to

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<v Speaker 1>the elementary school and Principal Skinner's got like a broken

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<v Speaker 1>hand and there's a gun sight on him, like as

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<v Speaker 1>he says he he had a boking accident. I assume

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's happening right now and I just can't see all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look, had a wonderful time with my in laws

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<v Speaker 2>in Darby. Thank you very much. No for the questions,

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<v Speaker 2>you're honor go the Rams. Yes, I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>I've made I think I've made my points clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you uh you know I can't. No, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>go go go Rams, Go Rams.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right, an official RAMS podcast. We're not

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<v Speaker 2>so different.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a man. I don't I'm trying to think you.

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<v Speaker 2>Looks like I'm not sure if we're going this are.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, no, I don't know that I could. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that I could get my wife to do

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<v Speaker 1>that if I tried. Yeah, it's uh, you know sports fandom.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. People are like, oh, it's stupid. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean okay, correct and uh yeah, you know it

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<v Speaker 1>is what it is. You can't you can't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I find it an amazing way

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<v Speaker 2>to pass the time.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. I think it is. I think you could,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you could do worse, but here you are. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, yesterday I woke up and I was like, huh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do what I normally do and look at my

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<v Speaker 1>phone in the bed, make myself mad before I even

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<v Speaker 1>stand up. But yes yesterday, yesterday was a little different

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<v Speaker 1>because as soon as I picked up my phone and

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<v Speaker 1>opened up social media, I saw a post that said,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see mm hmm Vatican delt mott des poops Francois

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<v Speaker 1>ass out rt L Luitzburg, which is a news or

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<v Speaker 1>poop in Luxembourg. And that is and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>black and white picture of Pope Francis. That is how

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that Francis died Des poops Francois asked

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<v Speaker 1>out And just to be clear, it is poops p

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<v Speaker 1>O O P S T Francoise, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 1>French building of and ass A S S doubt d

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<v Speaker 1>O U T. So Pope Francis died ass out.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what? I would also die if someone

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<v Speaker 2>put my ass in doubt, I'd be like, I just die.

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<v Speaker 1>What what purpose does it save?

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<v Speaker 2>Tell you Luxembourg? Should we should put a stop to it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>I say that as one of the world's foremost Luxembourg historians.

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<v Speaker 2>And by that I mean the dynasty, not the place. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but I'm allowed to say it, right, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know anything about about Luxembourg. I did

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<v Speaker 1>not that luxembourg Ish was its own language, although it

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be. I thought it. I honestly thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of like a dialect of French. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna hit me with poops asked out. I don't,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't tell if I like the language

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<v Speaker 2>more or less as a result of this, but you know, yeah, oops,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, Francis, rip rip to a one of

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<v Speaker 1>the ones, to one of the ones, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>guys to do things. He did some stuff which you'd

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<v Speaker 1>done a lot more stuff. Rip to him. If you're

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<v Speaker 1>looking for the episode on conclaves plural, come back next week,

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<v Speaker 1>come back back. Yeah, you gotta give us a little

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<v Speaker 1>more time to summarize a thousand years where they were, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what if we just they all stood

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<v Speaker 1>around in a ring and punched each other until one

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<v Speaker 1>of us, figure uh till the holiest one of us

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<v Speaker 1>came out and they're like, yeah, that's fine, we'll change it.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll change it.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty years, it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So if you're looking for that next time, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back. And that is conclaves plural, not the movie Conclave,

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<v Speaker 1>which we should probably do something on but later. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have time for that right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look at the Pope has died. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>time for all that. Like, it is very funny to

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<v Speaker 2>work in one of the only careers I got air

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<v Speaker 2>quotes careers there where this constituted an actual emergency for

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<v Speaker 2>me yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like we we we really should have done an

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<v Speaker 1>emergency pod, like get on it. You know, we're all

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<v Speaker 1>like coughing and ragged like all night. Uh talking to

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<v Speaker 1>h talking to to my buddy he's a sinishal there.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, yeah, I was busy being in Darbyshire at

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<v Speaker 2>the pub though, Oh yeah I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was busy. I was busy cleaning the

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<v Speaker 1>house and then reading, taking an inordinate amount of time

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<v Speaker 1>to read up on old conclaves and being like wow,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that's great, Like you guys are just you were

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<v Speaker 1>really all over the place, uh with this ship for

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<v Speaker 1>like a thousand years. No no real uh no real process.

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<v Speaker 1>And I find that uh endearing to say, yeah, uh okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk. We'll talk more about all that next time

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta do this. Uh. We'll also we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>a du bonus episode on uh camera on the Cameron

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<v Speaker 1>uh part three. We will be back with that on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, all right here we unless you have any

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<v Speaker 1>more uh uh Derby report statements that you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make about Darby before before your handler shows up again.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just yeah, yeah, just as a good guy. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the statement I'd always like to make about

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<v Speaker 2>Derby as some of the best pubs in the UK

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<v Speaker 2>crack and crack in town.

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<v Speaker 1>We go, yeah, there we go, go go Derby, go

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<v Speaker 1>rams as always right, my heart is divided between FC

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<v Speaker 1>Barcelona and Darby. Uh you know, Darby is my flaying,

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<v Speaker 1>even though I barely know where it is in the UK.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. That's really bad with UK geography, which is

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<v Speaker 1>weird because I can, like in my mind, I can

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<v Speaker 1>picture like uh like you know, the Levant and all

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<v Speaker 1>that and and you know, like uh and and South

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<v Speaker 1>and Central America. But I'm like England, Hm, hmmm, it's London.

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<v Speaker 1>London is in the North, right, like Wayne, No, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding, come on, I'm not that Yeah, yeah, London

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<v Speaker 1>is so mad forbid in the North. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what accent that was, don't ask. All right, there we go,

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome back to We're Not So Different, a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast where I can ever sett al on a British

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<v Speaker 1>accent that I want to do. My name is Luke

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm an amateur medievalist. As always, I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Ellen Riannica, who is anything. But today we've got questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Questions I used to h I used to have a teacher,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, questions she she she was just like we

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<v Speaker 1>already have any questions. It was like, why is there

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<v Speaker 1>an R in there? You don't like you don't do that?

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<v Speaker 1>It like it had to like I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, because she didn't really talk like that

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<v Speaker 1>oddly or anything, because she w wasn't like Hurler or wherever,

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<v Speaker 1>up or anything. Anyway, I don't know why I did that, Folks.

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<v Speaker 1>We promised we would do one of these mailback episodes

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<v Speaker 1>we will get to in the long, eventual span of time. Remember, folks,

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<v Speaker 1>we work on geologic time and I'm just kidding, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, your ass seem thicker.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you will not be asked out. You will not

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<v Speaker 1>be asked out. No, you will not be poops to

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<v Speaker 1>ass out. We know that for a fact. Uh man,

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<v Speaker 1>unless the next Pope listens to the show. If you

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<v Speaker 1>are the next Pope or actually even in the running

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<v Speaker 1>to be the next Pope, and you listen to the show,

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<v Speaker 1>please email uh us. I want to talk I don't

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<v Speaker 1>speak Latin or Italian or whatever language you speak unless

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<v Speaker 1>it's English. But I'll figure out a way to make

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<v Speaker 1>it work. God damn it. All right, you probably know

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<v Speaker 2>Of right in Latin. I'll write back.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll be like, uh, Dominee and I through Google Translate

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<v Speaker 2>Back? In pig Latin?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, hope, pop a or Pope. God damn it, I

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<v Speaker 1>pig Latin right, good God? All right, let's get started.

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<v Speaker 1>Why trash historian says, can we do a segment on

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<v Speaker 1>medieval reclamation of Greek and Roman myths? Like how Penthes

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<v Speaker 2>like varying myths. You know, they're always telling those they've

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<v Speaker 2>time for the Odyssey, et cetera, et cetera. But you

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<v Speaker 2>do see these kind of reappropriations of things, especially a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the time as art motifs, so in as

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<v Speaker 2>So Pencil, she's she's like an Amazonian queen and let's

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like this is an opportunity to write stories

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we still do this ship now, So you

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<v Speaker 2>get plenty of references to classical literature and art just

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<v Speaker 2>We'll move around with it, you know, like.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I mean, if you if you, if you like

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<v Speaker 1>Roman and Greek educational legacies, then I mean like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you need. It's like how you know, like when Batman,

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<v Speaker 1>And they have enough cognitive dissonance or it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>if you can, if you can leap past that, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can leap past the Roman Empire having regardless of that,

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<v Speaker 1>they thought that that the Jews did it. He was killed,

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<v Speaker 1>which isn't correct, but he was killed by the Roman Empire.

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<v Speaker 1>The Roman emperor signed off on it. Herod was a

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<v Speaker 1>off on it. If you can get past that, you

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<v Speaker 1>can have h Ermie, you can have Ermis in there, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, being like a Robin Hood figure. You can

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<v Speaker 1>have you know, you can have you can have anything

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<v Speaker 1>you want because once once you can overcome that hurdle

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<v Speaker 1>in your mind of being like, yes, they did this

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<v Speaker 1>bad thing, but they atoned for it, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>made society better and now we're living in it. And

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<v Speaker 1>look how you know, we're trying to recreate them and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah. And if you can get over them

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<v Speaker 1>killing Christ, I don't really think the rest of it

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<v Speaker 1>is that big of a hurdle, although it is. It

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<v Speaker 1>is interesting to see how they got there, and like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're they're just like they just dropped the

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<v Speaker 1>pagan aspects along the way, and they're like, yeah, Zeus

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<v Speaker 2>They hung out chat for sure, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, White Treasure story. And thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for the question. Next we got one from a dog

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<v Speaker 1>god who says, was there a big gap in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the types of inner I'm sorry, a big class

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<v Speaker 1>gap in terms of the types of entertainment that people enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, when a musician at court have to specifically

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<v Speaker 1>trained to learn songs and instruments that were popular with

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<v Speaker 1>the nobility, or would they be playing basically the same

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, and the answer is most people

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<v Speaker 2>do both, but you probably are going to offer slightly

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<v Speaker 2>different things. Like it's going to be bodier out in

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<v Speaker 2>the market that. Now, this isn't to say that they

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<v Speaker 2>won't also do body for a noble audience. If they're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>do some pableau, they'll be like okay, yep, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they're in and they'll absolutely go for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But as a general rule from the biggest differentiation in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of entertainment is just going to be how much

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<v Speaker 2>you get. So you get way more when you're at court,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can get things constantly, like you'll just have

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<v Speaker 2>a musician on hand, like in the same way that

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<v Speaker 2>we'll put music on you know, they'll have musicians follow

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<v Speaker 2>of deal, which is which is pretty sweet. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>not not a huge difference. You will probably have to

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<v Speaker 2>stay on top of new songs and new ballads if

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<v Speaker 2>things are kind of coming through if you're doing things

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<v Speaker 2>for a courtly audience, so you're specifically going to have

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<v Speaker 2>to stay up on whatever new things are coming out,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to need a stable of old classics,

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<v Speaker 2>whereas you know, you can just be like, uh, there

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<v Speaker 2>once was a man from Nantucket.

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<v Speaker 1>Like to put his dick in a but yeah, yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>uh huh uh huh oh. Then well, following up on that,

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<v Speaker 1>was there I mean, I know this is a modern thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but like, was there like a difference between like in

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<v Speaker 1>you would go to. Was there a class difference? Like

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<v Speaker 1>how there used to be like I'm going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Was there like any of that, or was everybody like

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so we got the bear Fights? Is a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more like everybody, interestingly, I mean theater is a

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<v Speaker 2>little more low class.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, as like as as.

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<v Speaker 2>A general rule of thumb, theater is like, well you wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Go there, Yeah, I guess if I have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like it's like it's like saying that you're going,

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<v Speaker 2>You're going like I was at the pornography store, essentially.

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<v Speaker 1>I was at the theater.

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<v Speaker 2>I was watching the theater exactly, so you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>don't get me wrong, they will occasionally have plays, and

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<v Speaker 2>but you you get less theater more particularly this of

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<v Speaker 2>course changes in the early modern period and you get

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<v Speaker 2>more and more theater happening at court as a result.

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<v Speaker 2>But there it'ts a lot more like sing me a

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<v Speaker 2>song you there, boy, you know kind of a deal court?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh man, Yeah, I definitely don't have anything to

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<v Speaker 1>add to that because I don't know anything about that,

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<v Speaker 1>Although now I wonder how you know, like in the

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<v Speaker 1>dance like you know, they like aiming the crossbow at

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<v Speaker 1>like okay, now dance again. You know. Anyway, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>dumb joke that just ran through my head. All right, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the only way eleanor you are looking at

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<v Speaker 1>this list, yeah, do you don't say them? But do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what most of these are? How they're said? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>But now it's also like in my head and I'm like, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 2>because so this is the thing that so English people

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, do you want to hear a really

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<v Speaker 2>annoying thing about how you pronounce that? And I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>Ever ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>an English person talk about how I pronounce words or

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<v Speaker 1>anything else. I never want to hear it. You have

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to stand on. That is fucking insane. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I know where I'm from and I know how people

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<v Speaker 1>pronounce things insane the year. It's fine, We're all kind

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<v Speaker 1>of insane. English is a stupid language anyway, half German

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<v Speaker 1>bullshit anyway. Uh So, I guess the only way to

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<v Speaker 1>do this is uh. The questions from Ali Cantry says,

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<v Speaker 1>can we have a segment where Luke goes through a

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<v Speaker 1>list of English towns and tries to pronounce them as

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<v Speaker 1>best he can. Uh, so I have about fourteen towns.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a much longer list, but I had to

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<v Speaker 1>pare it down, mostly because God, this can't be that

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<v Speaker 1>fun for everyone for that long. Yeah, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to hear me pronounce more, maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do that at some point. But you know what, Yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I think that you're gonna have to spell

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<v Speaker 2>it and then say it.

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<v Speaker 1>the show notes. Please do not look at your phone

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<v Speaker 1>while you're driving, for the love of God. Please, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being completely serious. Please do not. It's not worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going with Wolfersley.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a Woolsury, Woolsary.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife is from a town, a small town, and

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<v Speaker 1>uh they pronounced the town weird. But there's a town

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<v Speaker 1>near it called It's spelled like Omega, like the Alpha

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<v Speaker 1>and Omega, but everyone there calls it Omiga. And I've

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<v Speaker 1>always thought that was hilarious because Omiga like how could

417
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<v Speaker 1>you fuck that up? I need you to understand that

418
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<v Speaker 1>is miles better than that is miles better. Uh fuck?

419
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<v Speaker 1>All right? Next one, g O O n h I

420
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<v Speaker 1>L L Y. I'm going with goon Hilly because why not?

421
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<v Speaker 2>It is close, It's goon highly.

422
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, yeah, okay, I could I can see.

423
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<v Speaker 2>I still think it's wrong. I think it should just

424
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<v Speaker 2>be gooon Hilly, but yeah.

425
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I mean I do too. I think I

426
00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 1>think it should be but uh you know, I I

427
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>can at least see how you could to get there theoretically,

428
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.720
<v Speaker 1>like over the years, and like this, I could see it.

429
00:26:04.799 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>The other one Wolford's worthy, which is what I'm calling it.

430
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:10.119
<v Speaker 1>How dare you people?

431
00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:11.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Not right?

432
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.079
<v Speaker 1>Okay. Next one, we got and I love this. We

433
00:26:14.200 --> 00:26:18.279
<v Speaker 1>got W E S T W A R D space

434
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<v Speaker 1>h O exclamation point. I was told that the word

435
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<v Speaker 1>that this town name does have the exclamation point in it,

436
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 1>which I do think it does. Yeah. I love that.

437
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Uh mhm was word ha.

438
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<v Speaker 2>So this is a really tricky one for me because

439
00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:44.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't actually know. Uh, Like I would

440
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>just say Westward ho and probably I'd be wrong. But

441
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:51.079
<v Speaker 2>like I even tried to look this one up and

442
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:52.759
<v Speaker 2>and it's it is really hard to find.

443
00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

444
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:58.279
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just saying westward ha ho. I guess somebody

445
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.160
<v Speaker 2>somebody write us in until us how to pronounce. Actually,

446
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna put my

447
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:06.640
<v Speaker 2>head out the door and ask Justin go for it.

448
00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Do I will wait until she gets back. I don't

449
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.119
<v Speaker 1>know why I'm singing it.

450
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Like, okay, So Justin says that it is just westward Ho,

451
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:28.079
<v Speaker 2>and he says, at least that is how important. British

452
00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 2>band Half Man, Half Biscuit pronounce it in their song

453
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.480
<v Speaker 2>where they say westward Ho, what.

454
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:37.359
<v Speaker 1>A let down, let's go. I'll go with that. I

455
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.599
<v Speaker 1>assume they're the English version of the Old Steady where

456
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm just kidding. I love the whole Steady. I've never

457
00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:48.640
<v Speaker 1>heard of that band. I'm sure they're great, though, but yeah,

458
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Westward Ho cool. In Next one, p O l Z

459
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<v Speaker 1>E A T H.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Pulls it pulls you got it pulls?

461
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<v Speaker 1>Nice? Yeah? Okay, yeah, I can see how I can

462
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.279
<v Speaker 1>see how you get there from that. For there, that's

463
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<v Speaker 1>cool all right? Next week, got t R E D

464
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<v Speaker 1>I N N I C K H treadnick uh treaded nick.

465
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<v Speaker 2>I have no I mean, yeah, I think I I

466
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 2>think that it is like uh treadnick or trunnick or

467
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 2>something like that. Uh, but I could be wrong. Corner

468
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.680
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna kind of hunt my ass.

469
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:45.480
<v Speaker 1>Down there if you If you are not in England,

470
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>this segment's probably weird to you. If you are in England,

471
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>this is probably one of the funniest things you ever heard. Yeah,

472
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.279
<v Speaker 1>next week got a L N W I c K.

473
00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm going with on book.

474
00:28:58.680 --> 00:28:58.920
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

475
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:01.759
<v Speaker 2>So this is a truly fucked up one and it's

476
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:06.759
<v Speaker 2>a nook or like or like annak I guess annak.

477
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's amazing an yeah yeah, oh man, that's that's amazing.

478
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 1>All right. Now we got one with one of my

479
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 1>favorite English traditions. It's the Minster in the name. So

480
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.799
<v Speaker 1>we got l e O m I N s t

481
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>e R. And knowing the English, I know that this

482
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.559
<v Speaker 1>is always pronounced real fucked up. Yeah, I'm going with

483
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.079
<v Speaker 1>low muster.

484
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:31.920
<v Speaker 2>It's Lemster.

485
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 1>You know, I honestly should I should have guessed that

486
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 1>that's my own fault. I really should, you know.

487
00:29:41.359 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the only reason I know this is because

488
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>this is one that they use to torture you with. Okay,

489
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:48.880
<v Speaker 2>so it's like one of the it's one of the

490
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>classic Lemster Yeah, okay, okay, classic one, classic one to

491
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>torture Americans with. Yeah. Yeah, all right.

492
00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>We got F R O M E and looks like

493
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 1>from I'm going with Frome.

494
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>It's froom. Uh yeah, Rome.

495
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:14.079
<v Speaker 1>It is f in the word room, so I would

496
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.200
<v Speaker 1>just call it from like foam, but I don't whatever.

497
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 2>That's how it's sucking spelled for.

498
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Italian from okay or froom I'm sorry, froom like it

499
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:29.039
<v Speaker 1>has a U with an um lot Okay, delightful, all right.

500
00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:32.119
<v Speaker 1>Next week got W Y M O N D H

501
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 1>A M and I'm going with Windom.

502
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>Got it, Yeah it's Windom. It's Windom.

503
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:44.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Next week got g O D M A N

504
00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:48.480
<v Speaker 1>C H E S T E R. So it breeds

505
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:52.039
<v Speaker 1>like god Manchester, but there's no fucking way it's said

506
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>like that. So I'm going with Gonster.

507
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Well that would be good and actually that makes more sense.

508
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:59.759
<v Speaker 2>But what I mean makes sense like in the British,

509
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's a godmun Chester like god mund Chester, gobin Chester.

510
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:11.319
<v Speaker 1>I find it interesting when they drop the e R

511
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:13.839
<v Speaker 1>and when they don't. I really do. Like I felt

512
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.279
<v Speaker 1>like when when the e R gets dropped on something

513
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>and it becomes an A or like a like yeah.

514
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:22.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is one of my favorite ones coming out.

515
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.559
<v Speaker 1>We got m E O P H A M. I'm

516
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:26.839
<v Speaker 1>going with Mopham.

517
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:28.039
<v Speaker 2>It's Mephm.

518
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay, I can see Okay, I like that. I like that. Yeah,

519
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>but uh I can see Mepham. That makes sense, uh

520
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.319
<v Speaker 1>Mapam Mepham. Yeah, okay, mep them cool. Uh. Next week

521
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 1>got w E S t O N space s U

522
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 1>p e R dash m A r E. We got

523
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>another punctuation mark in here. We love to see it, folks.

524
00:31:52.559 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm going with Western Superman. I don't know.

525
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what's super Yeah, like there's not nice. Yeah,

526
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>they're just kind of fucking with you on this one.

527
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Nice. There we go, Thanks guys, I appreciate that. Next

528
00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.599
<v Speaker 1>week got y E O v I L. I'm going

529
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>with Jovial.

530
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 2>You're correct now. I saw a popular brand of yogurt

531
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:19.480
<v Speaker 2>yo nice.

532
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, you can't fool me. And you know, I know,

533
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know Joval. I have no idea what

534
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>that is. I hope we have h O N I

535
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.559
<v Speaker 1>t o n I'm going with for any town I

536
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 1>don't honiton, I don't know. It's yeah, there we go, Hontan.

537
00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>All right, there we go. That one's been sitting there

538
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>for a while and I decided to finally do it.

539
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I will happily read uh town names in whatever place

540
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you want me to, provided you uh our patron uh

541
00:32:56.000 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>and you ask. But you know, the long the town

542
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.079
<v Speaker 1>names and the further they get from English, the worst

543
00:33:03.119 --> 00:33:06.799
<v Speaker 1>the segment is. For everybody else spelling like German town names,

544
00:33:06.799 --> 00:33:11.480
<v Speaker 1>It's like thirty letters long, like oh, this is fantastic, Ollie,

545
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and the other like ten people I can't remember in

546
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.039
<v Speaker 1>the discord who contributed to this, and thank you very much.

547
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry I can't remember all of you right now.

548
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Next we got one from dog spotter. I've seen people

549
00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>propose that medieval people walked with a different gait, more

550
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>on their toes and a gate. If you don't know,

551
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.880
<v Speaker 1>is just the way of your stride of walking, basically

552
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.599
<v Speaker 1>how you walk? Are these people full of boloney? Do

553
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you know?

554
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I really like, I was trying to look up where

555
00:33:42.559 --> 00:33:44.599
<v Speaker 2>this might come from. It I just genuinely don't know.

556
00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I need never heard this, but.

557
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.039
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean I guess I was thinking that kind

558
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.200
<v Speaker 2>of like sometimes when you see medieval art, people are

559
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.039
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more on their toes, but it's like

560
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.119
<v Speaker 2>oftentimes they're a little bit more on their toes because

561
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.759
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to show you a full foot or like

562
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>you know there, or they're dancing, yeah, for example, or

563
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>like they're kind of they're trying to like emphasize footwear

564
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. So it would kind of be like

565
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:12.159
<v Speaker 2>pretending that porn was the medieval period and be like, wow,

566
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 2>people sure did fuck in ways where you saw their

567
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:18.119
<v Speaker 2>genitals all the time, and it's like, well, it's just art,

568
00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:22.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not really it's not really like showing

569
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 2>you what's actually happening in real life. I mean, I

570
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:30.400
<v Speaker 2>guess it could theoretically be pausive, you know, in that

571
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.519
<v Speaker 2>footwear is so incredibly different at the time, but I mean,

572
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:38.199
<v Speaker 2>most people are wearing clogs in Northern Europe, so I

573
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 2>just don't know why walking on your toes would be

574
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>helpful in a clog based situation.

575
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 1>So I don't, Yeah, I don't know, Like maybe it's

576
00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>a little different now because we run a lot, like

577
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.000
<v Speaker 1>just running as like a practice a lot more than

578
00:34:56.119 --> 00:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>they did. They obviously exercised and ran a certain degree,

579
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 1>but like I mean, you know, like little kids in

580
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, like elementary school like pe, they you know, like, Okay,

581
00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna you know, we're gonna run, and I mean

582
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>they were they literally were not doing that back then.

583
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 1>So I mean maybe it's something with that because your

584
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 1>foot falls a little different as you run. But yeah,

585
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't know who you heard that from,

586
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Speaker 1>dog spotter, Uh, but if you remember and would like

587
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>to fill us in, uh, I'd love to hear more

588
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:27.920
<v Speaker 1>so we can at least, yeah, we can at least

589
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.159
<v Speaker 1>find out, uh you know, maybe they're maybe maybe they do.

590
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we walk slightly different now for some reason, and

591
00:35:33.880 --> 00:35:36.039
<v Speaker 1>that would be cool to find out too. Either way,

592
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 1>I seriously doubt they were walking like they were wearing

593
00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:43.199
<v Speaker 1>high heels at all times, uh, because, uh, yeah, that

594
00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.199
<v Speaker 1>would be stupid. We evolve feet like this for a reason,

595
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and we push off from our heels. That's literally one

596
00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 1>of the evolutionary differences we have from apes. Sorry anyway, Uh,

597
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Dogs Potter, thank you for the question. Next, we have

598
00:35:57.079 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Loaf who says here in California, we suffer annual wildfire

599
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.760
<v Speaker 1>even in winter, and I'm reminded of these most recent

600
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>and horrific fires in Los Angeles that before climate change

601
00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>exacerbated the issue, the problems started with the outlawing of

602
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 1>native land management practices of setting fire to grasslands in

603
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:18.320
<v Speaker 1>order for fire following calorie dense plants to emerge. This

604
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>leads me to wonder what pre industrial land management was

605
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like in the medieval period. Was this mostly the purview

606
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:27.039
<v Speaker 1>of landlords or were there practices that people that actually

607
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 1>lived on the land were able to maintain. How did

608
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 1>enclosure affect this and do we still use any of

609
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>these land management techniques today? Excuse me?

610
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So there's a lot of land management going on,

611
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:43.960
<v Speaker 2>especially when it comes to forestry, because what is genuinely happening,

612
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.440
<v Speaker 2>genuinely generally happening all the time is a lot of

613
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 2>work in terms of copping, so you know, keeping trees

614
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>at certain levels so that they can be harvested more

615
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>readily for firewood, because you need absolutely tons of fire

616
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 2>would so you're always compassing things and kind of keeping

617
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:05.079
<v Speaker 2>an eye on the trees, and that usually also involves

618
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.800
<v Speaker 2>the removal of underbrush in order to get to things.

619
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>And then when we're talking about forestry and things like that,

620
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a fair amount of land management as well. When

621
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:19.239
<v Speaker 2>it comes to parkland that the nobility used for hunting

622
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:23.079
<v Speaker 2>because they want the underbrush removed so that they can

623
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.639
<v Speaker 2>gallop horses around and chase deer and that sort of thing.

624
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>So that's usually an achieved through controlled burns, which is

625
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:34.480
<v Speaker 2>super common, but there is also a fair amount of

626
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 2>just running pigs through the woods and they will clean

627
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that undergrowth ride up for you. You know, you can run,

628
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you can run goats through, you can run pigs through,

629
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>and they'll just be like yeah, hell yeah, Bram, I'm

630
00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.280
<v Speaker 2>eating all of these things, right. But in particular, you

631
00:37:48.320 --> 00:37:53.000
<v Speaker 2>do see woodlands really managed for the purposes of sport,

632
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:56.800
<v Speaker 2>which have these kind of knock on effects. And so

633
00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.480
<v Speaker 2>it was interesting and of note when Europeans arrived in

634
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the Americas, uh well and in particular in North America,

635
00:38:05.159 --> 00:38:07.440
<v Speaker 2>and they were really impressed because they were like, oh wow,

636
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 2>because they were like, I just I don't see any

637
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Native people, like they're not like people to be. They're like,

638
00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, it's like parkland here. Yeah, all this wilderness

639
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:17.760
<v Speaker 2>is like parkland. It's like yeah, it's because it's being

640
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.199
<v Speaker 2>fucking managed to idiots, like you know, it's odd.

641
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 1>As they Yeah, they used yeah fire management to uh,

642
00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 1>to deal with their to deal with the forests and everything.

643
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 1>I have seen it and heard it said that Europeans

644
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 1>were very scared of fire and that fire management techniques

645
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.400
<v Speaker 1>really freaked them out, which is why they weren't used

646
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot as much in Western society for a while

647
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>until later, because they were like, no, that's the native

648
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.800
<v Speaker 1>way of doing it. We're going to do this other thing.

649
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, well, yeah, the native people did it

650
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 1>because it worked, and you guys did. But I don't

651
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:02.400
<v Speaker 1>remember exactly where I heard that, so you know that

652
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:03.519
<v Speaker 1>I made.

653
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, that is the thing because with enclosure, you see, uh,

654
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:11.239
<v Speaker 2>these processes kind of die out right because it's like

655
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:14.800
<v Speaker 2>you can't you can't like CorV anybody to come manage

656
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 2>your your forest for you and do all these things.

657
00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.199
<v Speaker 2>So these particular practices kind of fade out. And then

658
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 2>a couple hundred years later, when you come into contact

659
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.119
<v Speaker 2>with other peoples and you want a differentiation point in

660
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 2>order to dehumanize them, then you go, oh, we were

661
00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:30.880
<v Speaker 2>never doing it.

662
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Let shut the fuck up. Yeah, you know, so, uh

663
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:46.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, yeah, they they definitely practice their own land

664
00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:50.280
<v Speaker 1>management there, but uh you know, maybe we're also scared

665
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:54.719
<v Speaker 1>of fire. Who knows. Yeah anyway, uh yeah, love, thank

666
00:39:54.719 --> 00:39:58.239
<v Speaker 1>you very much for the question, and uh sorry about

667
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>those fires. They are terrifying. Yeah, ann annan or a

668
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>nun asked. I was listening to the One Hundred Years

669
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 1>War series and I got a question about politics. Medieval

670
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:12.159
<v Speaker 1>politics seem to be characterized by a significant amount of

671
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:17.000
<v Speaker 1>fluidity and pragmatism e g. Edward siding with the Montforts,

672
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.159
<v Speaker 1>even though their claim came from the male line and

673
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Edwards from the female line. Are there any trends or

674
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>differences in how politics were done which might stand out

675
00:40:25.039 --> 00:40:28.159
<v Speaker 1>from different parts of such a long period, or even

676
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:29.480
<v Speaker 1>from different regions.

677
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the English are basket cases, so like drop

678
00:40:33.360 --> 00:40:35.960
<v Speaker 2>that down right, I mean, like, as a general rule

679
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>of thumb, you're always going to have what you can

680
00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:40.039
<v Speaker 2>kind of say across Europe is the nobility and the

681
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>royalty don't really get along, but they're always kind of

682
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:44.519
<v Speaker 2>getting in and out of each other's beds, and varying

683
00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:49.559
<v Speaker 2>alliances are being made, and that, you know, simply is

684
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.039
<v Speaker 2>the case. Kind of across Europe, but then you see

685
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:56.679
<v Speaker 2>different things at different times. So in particular England is

686
00:40:56.679 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a basket case because you have all these weird claims

687
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>that come up in the kind of like post Norman world,

688
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, like when you get to the anarchy. For example,

689
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I couldn't believe but that I'm I

690
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:14.199
<v Speaker 2>was with friend of the show on Friday and we

691
00:41:14.519 --> 00:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>went to go visit a castle because we're really cool,

692
00:41:19.440 --> 00:41:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and here we are at war Castle and it was

693
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the person who had kind of expanded it in the

694
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:29.599
<v Speaker 2>thirteenth century was, in my opinion, sorry, twelfth century, was

695
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, on the wrong side of the anarchy

696
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:33.760
<v Speaker 2>and was like team Stephen. And I was like, hm,

697
00:41:33.960 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 2>wrong side though, and my mate Simon was like, I

698
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:38.239
<v Speaker 2>don't know, I think Stephen was right, and I was like,

699
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 2>fucking excuse me. And I was like I didn't know

700
00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 2>we made you anymore. And he's like too slow, too slow,

701
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:47.159
<v Speaker 2>should have got there first, and I was like a

702
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:49.920
<v Speaker 2>good fucking god. And so then we had a slap

703
00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.440
<v Speaker 2>fight to buy it and that was fun. But you know,

704
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 2>but my point is bringing up the anarchy and the

705
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:59.239
<v Speaker 2>fact that Simon is drained is that like things like

706
00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:01.679
<v Speaker 2>this kind of happened all the time in England, and

707
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:04.840
<v Speaker 2>then like by the time you get to like, for example,

708
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Edward the second and he's pissed off all the nobles

709
00:42:07.679 --> 00:42:10.960
<v Speaker 2>because he's just giving the dispensers as much money as

710
00:42:10.960 --> 00:42:14.320
<v Speaker 2>they want, you know, or whatever, and you remove him

711
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.639
<v Speaker 2>from the throne. Then everyone goes, oh, it's possible to

712
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.960
<v Speaker 2>remove kings from the throne. It's really easily done, actually,

713
00:42:19.960 --> 00:42:21.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of how you end up getting the

714
00:42:21.480 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 2>wars with the Roses and things like that. So England

715
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 2>is a little bit more wild in terms of what's

716
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:32.599
<v Speaker 2>going on up here. You certainly see in Spain really

717
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:38.440
<v Speaker 2>loose affiliations that are incredibly pragmatic, just just as you say,

718
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:42.159
<v Speaker 2>where you don't really know who's going to side with

719
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.400
<v Speaker 2>who at any given time, and it's just pragmatic. It's

720
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:47.360
<v Speaker 2>how am I going to get money? There really isn't

721
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 2>very much of anything to keep Christians onside with Christians,

722
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Muslims on sides with Muslims. It's just basically like how

723
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:56.199
<v Speaker 2>low are my tax is going to be? How much

724
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 2>land can I be given? And we certainly see things

725
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>like this with like El seed for example, Right, we

726
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.280
<v Speaker 2>can look sort of to Italy and I mean a

727
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.760
<v Speaker 2>similarly basket cases, right, like like what is going on?

728
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Muslim? Is it Greek? Is it Italian? Is it Latin?

729
00:43:17.159 --> 00:43:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

730
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:20.400
<v Speaker 2>Are you wealth? Are you a ghibbiling? Like what's going on?

731
00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:21.280
<v Speaker 1>What do we go?

732
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 2>They're just fighting with each other constantly, And it's a

733
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>lot more kind of Romeo and Julietish where there's you know,

734
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>constant noble factions flat fighting back.

735
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 1>The Vendetta system is real, folks. That was the real thing.

736
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they kill each.

737
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Other over dumb bullshit that somebody's brother's cousin did.

738
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.920
<v Speaker 2>So I guess they're a little bit less pragmatic, and

739
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.039
<v Speaker 2>I guess they are a little bit more they're a

740
00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.760
<v Speaker 2>little bit more grudge motivated. So shout out to them

741
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.880
<v Speaker 2>as a general rule within the Holy Roman Empire Italians aside,

742
00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:58.559
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like which side are you on in

743
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 2>terms of papal or and that is always going to

744
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.639
<v Speaker 2>just depend on what advantage you see, Well, who's the

745
00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.119
<v Speaker 2>pope at the time. Where's the pope at the time,

746
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, big question, because the pope's being an avenel

747
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.599
<v Speaker 2>can really change your opinion on where certain things go.

748
00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:18.800
<v Speaker 2>And you know, similarly, this has a lot to do

749
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:20.679
<v Speaker 2>with kind of taxation and then those kind of things.

750
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 2>So you know, surprise like Germans and checks being quite

751
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.599
<v Speaker 2>pragmatic actually just being like this has got a money gast,

752
00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:29.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, right kind of a deal. So yeah, it

753
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:34.480
<v Speaker 2>all really depends on where you are. But yeah, certainly,

754
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, ideas of like chivalry or oaths and all

755
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. It's like it's a lot more exists in

756
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:46.960
<v Speaker 2>our heads than actually exists in any in any kind

757
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 2>of form in the Middle Ages. The closest you really

758
00:44:50.440 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 2>do see is just like Italians wild'n out and doing

759
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.280
<v Speaker 2>a grudge match. But that's not really chivalry, is that.

760
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:58.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

761
00:44:58.760 --> 00:45:04.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's uh yeah, you gotta when you have to

762
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:06.920
<v Speaker 3>like balance, you have to balance all these factors and

763
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.239
<v Speaker 3>you have to like, you know, am I going to

764
00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:12.039
<v Speaker 3>marry off relative?

765
00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to marry off you know someone else?

766
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.360
<v Speaker 1>How How does my How does my inheritance pass? Because

767
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:20.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, states have different inheritance laws now, but it's

768
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>pretty much like if you got a will and you

769
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:27.599
<v Speaker 1>know like it's going you know, it's either going intestate

770
00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:29.559
<v Speaker 1>to your family, or it's going to the people in

771
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the will, or you make it some other revision, but like, uh,

772
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:38.199
<v Speaker 1>you know, Germany didn't for you know a long time.

773
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.519
<v Speaker 1>Germany was like, yeah, we just divided up. However, we

774
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:43.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of want between all of our kids instead of

775
00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>giving it to the oldest, which was really different than

776
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:52.119
<v Speaker 1>basically all of Western Europe. And they were like yeah, cool,

777
00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's just you know, you get you get

778
00:45:54.079 --> 00:45:57.239
<v Speaker 1>different stuff like that. It's it's all it's all a rich,

779
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.159
<v Speaker 1>a rich uh a rich tapestry of the Middle Ages

780
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>where you're just like there's no there's really no homogeneity

781
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:07.840
<v Speaker 1>to this. Everything is just like we got a king,

782
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 1>but he kind of has power. We got a king

783
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.039
<v Speaker 1>and he has absolute power. We got a king and

784
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.159
<v Speaker 1>he's obedient to the church. We got an emperor and

785
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 1>he's you know, emperor over a city. You know, like whatever, Yeah,

786
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>it's yeah, yeah, the despotite of And then thank you

787
00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:29.320
<v Speaker 1>for the question. Next we got one from MG in

788
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.719
<v Speaker 1>your face. What's the medieval equivalent of a stupid business

789
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.000
<v Speaker 1>to business tech conference trying to make itself seem more

790
00:46:36.039 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 1>appealing by getting a celebrity in a completely unrelated field

791
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 1>such as a major actor to do a keynote.

792
00:46:43.320 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>So I love this one, and it's like this one

793
00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like I guess it's it's kind of

794
00:46:50.719 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>bringing in outside popular preachers for church stuff. Right, So

795
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:01.159
<v Speaker 2>you go, so, yah, really boring. Something like the archbishop

796
00:47:01.199 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 2>makes you all come uh to, you know, have a

797
00:47:05.239 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 2>talking to about how you're all bad, and you go

798
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 2>get a preacher who is like, yeah, like the fuck

799
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.320
<v Speaker 2>the hierarchy of the church or whatever, and we're all

800
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:17.639
<v Speaker 2>reforming and blah blah blah. You know, like so you'll

801
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 2>go get in like superstars like that to give like

802
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 2>the equivalent of the keynote address, and then the bishop

803
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like, and I'm really fucking disappointed in you people.

804
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:33.559
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's like when the teacher comes back and

805
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.039
<v Speaker 1>the substitute teacher left a note and they're just looking down,

806
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Like in all my years of teaching, I've never had

807
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:42.320
<v Speaker 1>a note like this. He's like, God, damn it, man,

808
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 1>you shut up. You say this stitute comes by.

809
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:50.599
<v Speaker 2>This is going down on your permanent record. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

810
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. They had preachers. They love preachers, They fucking

811
00:47:56.559 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 1>loved them. Uh, maybe a bard, I don't know. It

812
00:48:00.559 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 1>would nowadays you'd be like, I just don't want to

813
00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.519
<v Speaker 1>go to this business to business conference. I'm going to

814
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>feign being sick. But that had to make a little

815
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.920
<v Speaker 1>more effort at it, because the king would be like, no,

816
00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 1>come here or else, and you're like, oh hmm, okay, cool,

817
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 1>Well that's not great. Yeah yeah, So honestly, good for them.

818
00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:27.360
<v Speaker 1>They didn't have to put up with that bullshit as

819
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:32.800
<v Speaker 1>much as we do. Awful, awful, MG in your face.

820
00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for the question. Got a couple more first

821
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.119
<v Speaker 1>from jos the Texan. I was wondering what funeral traditions

822
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 1>were like for ordinary people in the Middle Ages. I

823
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.719
<v Speaker 1>know in the US and other Western countries we are

824
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.280
<v Speaker 1>very disconnected from death and preparation of our loved ones

825
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:49.840
<v Speaker 1>for burial, and this has and this hasn't been the

826
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.920
<v Speaker 1>case for most of human history. What were rituals surrounding

827
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:56.679
<v Speaker 1>a funeral? Today, most Catholic funerals in the US, at

828
00:48:56.719 --> 00:48:59.239
<v Speaker 1>least once if I have experienced, have a rosary in

829
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the evening three to five days after death and a

830
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:03.280
<v Speaker 1>funeral mass the next morning.

831
00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>So one of the big things that changes is that

832
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:10.239
<v Speaker 2>you try to get buried a lot sooner in the

833
00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Middle Ages, because we're not we're not embalming folks out here.

834
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>So you're trying, you're kind of like trying to get

835
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:19.559
<v Speaker 2>this done and dusted. What might happen if you want

836
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.519
<v Speaker 2>that body to travel, Like if you are like suspiciently

837
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:27.000
<v Speaker 2>important and you die on a battlefield, or say you're

838
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.159
<v Speaker 2>someone like eleanor Castile and they want your body down

839
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.239
<v Speaker 2>in London, you'll generally be eviscerated, and then those the

840
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.840
<v Speaker 2>viscera can be either buried in varying places like you know,

841
00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:41.360
<v Speaker 2>we see this with Richard lionheart right where like his

842
00:49:41.400 --> 00:49:43.199
<v Speaker 2>heart's in one place and his bodies in another of

843
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.400
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing, or you know, they might just

844
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 2>bury the viscera where they are in a church and

845
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:52.320
<v Speaker 2>then take the rest of the body. But as a

846
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:54.880
<v Speaker 2>general rule of thumb, when someone dies, you're like trying

847
00:49:54.880 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 2>to get them like, let's go. We don't have a

848
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.280
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of time to waste here because they are

849
00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:05.800
<v Speaker 2>concerns about contingen and keeping the bodies around, So you

850
00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>are probably going to try to move pretty fast. There

851
00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.199
<v Speaker 2>may be like some looking at the body as it

852
00:50:12.239 --> 00:50:15.199
<v Speaker 2>lies in state, but you are going to be wanting

853
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:19.519
<v Speaker 2>within the next few days to get this going. You know.

854
00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Rosary reading certainly does exist, you know, it's it increases

855
00:50:24.599 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 2>in popularity over the medieval period and has kind of

856
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 2>like a rise along with Marian cults. So I mean

857
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.599
<v Speaker 2>earlier you're not going to see that, not at all.

858
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:36.719
<v Speaker 2>But they'll just be like offices for the dead usually,

859
00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you'll have a funeral mass, and then if

860
00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you have enough money, you will then also bequeath a

861
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 2>certain amounts to the church to continuously say masses for

862
00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the soul of the dead, which you may or may

863
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 2>not attend, but that's kind of like shoring up to

864
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.559
<v Speaker 2>make sure they don't go to Hell. So yeah, yeah, I'll.

865
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Still say masses for the dead. Yeah, I'll say prayers

866
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 1>for the dead.

867
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 2>Like that, absolutely, Like it's something that you can request

868
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 2>and it's something that they'll do, you know. It's uh

869
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:12.000
<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah, so yeah, especially if you're like kicking some

870
00:51:12.039 --> 00:51:12.400
<v Speaker 2>money in.

871
00:51:12.519 --> 00:51:12.760
<v Speaker 1>You know.

872
00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>That's why all those side altars are in churches. When

873
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:16.480
<v Speaker 2>you go into a church and they are like the

874
00:51:16.519 --> 00:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>other side altars, it's like people have kicked in money

875
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:21.679
<v Speaker 2>to have their little masses and that sort of thing.

876
00:51:21.800 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Yeah, that's cool. Uh, Josh, thank you very

877
00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:29.719
<v Speaker 1>much for the question. Last week. Lastly we got one

878
00:51:29.880 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>from Gaffzie, who says, in previous episodes, you'll have made

879
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 1>the point that the Protestant Reformation wasn't inevitable, that the

880
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:38.559
<v Speaker 1>church had internally reformed multiple times in the past on

881
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.559
<v Speaker 1>its own. In an alternate history where the Church did

882
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 1>actually step away from the brink and manage to fix

883
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:47.440
<v Speaker 1>some or all of the issues that Protestant that Protestants raised,

884
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.119
<v Speaker 1>what would this reform have looked like. Will we just

885
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.119
<v Speaker 1>have the Council of Trent, but done a few decades

886
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:56.239
<v Speaker 1>earlier or without the specific circumstance of the Reformation, Would

887
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 1>the necessary medicine have been something entirely different? Would there

888
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 1>have been a tempt to deal with the political elements

889
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:06.079
<v Speaker 1>of habsburg domination of the continent that helped spur the

890
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 1>princess to suport Luther in the first place.

891
00:52:08.840 --> 00:52:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's a great question, because on the

892
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:13.320
<v Speaker 2>one hand, you know, there is the fact that this

893
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:16.000
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like a cultural issue that we consistently

894
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:20.320
<v Speaker 2>see come out in reforming impulses in the church, right,

895
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:25.280
<v Speaker 2>But there are of course also these political issues like

896
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.599
<v Speaker 2>the fucking have spurks and their goddamn chins, right, you know,

897
00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:32.480
<v Speaker 2>like getting in here all over the place. I think

898
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 2>a necessary intervention that would have also had to happen

899
00:52:35.960 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 2>at this particular time in order to spur this would

900
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.679
<v Speaker 2>have been like knocking this Renaissance shit the fuck off. Yeah,

901
00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>that would have had to be and that's cultural, right,

902
00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:48.239
<v Speaker 2>So it's an interesting one, Like that's not like because

903
00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:51.840
<v Speaker 2>the issue with indulgences, you know, like you never saw

904
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:55.000
<v Speaker 2>indulgences like that before and it was literally just you know,

905
00:52:55.960 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 2>they want a bigger house, right, and so like herbing

906
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:03.719
<v Speaker 2>that particular impulse, well that that also has knock on

907
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:06.400
<v Speaker 2>effects for how the Italian economy is working at the time,

908
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:10.360
<v Speaker 2>and can you pull back on that. I think there's

909
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 2>an argument to be made that if the papacy had

910
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.599
<v Speaker 2>stayed in Avignon, you might have actually seen a little

911
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:21.480
<v Speaker 2>bit of better uptake in terms of reform, which is

912
00:53:21.480 --> 00:53:24.400
<v Speaker 2>funny because it's usually associated with excess. But you get

913
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:26.000
<v Speaker 2>back to Italy and they're like, no, we need a

914
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>better palace almost immediately, right, So if they'd stayed in Avenue,

915
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.239
<v Speaker 2>things maybe would have calmed down a little bit. But

916
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 2>you would also have to do something about all these

917
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.880
<v Speaker 2>fucking Habsburgs, right, And I mean, having said that, if

918
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 2>you were, if the various like Frederick their Wise is

919
00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 2>never presented with this particular opportunity to shed himself from

920
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Habsburg submission, is he going to go Protestant or are

921
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 2>they going to find another way of doing it? You know,

922
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.920
<v Speaker 2>it's possible to say that Athlics would exist in the

923
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 2>Holy Roman Empire, wouldn't you know, because certainly we do

924
00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>see that, you know, we see the the creation of

925
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>the Austro Hungarian Empire eventually, you know, you see the

926
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:16.639
<v Speaker 2>various German states do different things as a result of this.

927
00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:20.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I mean, I think it would be possible.

928
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:23.599
<v Speaker 2>Although the trouble is that with the Hussites it's already

929
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:25.239
<v Speaker 2>a little bit out of the bag, So you would

930
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.360
<v Speaker 2>need to go back to that, I think in order

931
00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>to do that, And I think in order to suppress

932
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 2>the Whosites you kind of need to go back further

933
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.480
<v Speaker 2>and you need to get more on top of the lawlards.

934
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, and there's also probably something here where

935
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:45.639
<v Speaker 2>like literally if you stop out of Bohemia marrying into

936
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.599
<v Speaker 2>the British throne. All of this would be say the

937
00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.159
<v Speaker 2>English throne. They're not British at the time, so do

938
00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:55.360
<v Speaker 2>not yell at me English people. Yeah, like they I

939
00:54:55.400 --> 00:55:00.440
<v Speaker 2>think that stopping the spread of that particular line of

940
00:55:00.480 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 2>reasoning would be important, but I you know, that would

941
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:07.760
<v Speaker 2>just mean kind of like cracking down on Wycliffe a

942
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:11.320
<v Speaker 2>lot earlier, and cracking down on Wycliffe. I mean, I

943
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:13.960
<v Speaker 2>think that's possible, but you know, they they really were

944
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 2>just like, could you just fucking knock it off? And

945
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.840
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I will never stop. I do not believe

946
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:21.400
<v Speaker 2>in transubstantiation. And it's like, bro, I mean he's like,

947
00:55:21.440 --> 00:55:23.639
<v Speaker 2>I totally agree with him on a lot of things.

948
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's just kind of like they they

949
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 2>handled that really badly, but mostly because he was quite

950
00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:31.920
<v Speaker 2>popular in Oxford, and nobody wanted to piss Oxford off,

951
00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 2>So you know, they wait, they wait till he's dead

952
00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 2>and then and now that's now you got lollards. And

953
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.239
<v Speaker 2>then by the time they're suppressing them, the checks have

954
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:46.039
<v Speaker 2>decided they fucking love lollergy, you know, and and then

955
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, by the time you've got Czech Bibles and

956
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:52.440
<v Speaker 2>like a whole kingdom that's gone all that's gonna do

957
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:55.639
<v Speaker 2>is embolden other members of the Holy Roman Empire. And

958
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:57.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, so like they're they're all gonna be looking

959
00:55:57.679 --> 00:55:59.719
<v Speaker 2>over at Bohemia and they're like, well, the check's about

960
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 2>to do to Hoko Markot do it right. So it's

961
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.079
<v Speaker 2>really difficult to say. I think you need to go

962
00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:09.800
<v Speaker 2>back and address why cliffs concerns in order to stop it.

963
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 2>I think like that's how far you need to go back.

964
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I think we're talking kind of fourteenth century interventions if

965
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 2>you really want to do it, and you're going to

966
00:56:16.639 --> 00:56:20.679
<v Speaker 2>have to change taste and so it's a pretty big job.

967
00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, it's not inevitable, like and especially it's

968
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:25.440
<v Speaker 2>not inevitable that Protestantism ended up in the way that

969
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:28.599
<v Speaker 2>it did, which is like very yeah, fucking Prussian or

970
00:56:28.639 --> 00:56:30.519
<v Speaker 2>whatever the shit, you know, like it didn't have to

971
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:30.920
<v Speaker 2>be like this.

972
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll be honest, I do not know that there

973
00:56:35.559 --> 00:56:41.159
<v Speaker 1>is a circumstance under like the way that we understand history.

974
00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I do not know that there is a circumstance what

975
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.679
<v Speaker 1>that would cause the Catholic Church to do this, because

976
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.199
<v Speaker 1>they would have to experience a system shock from outside

977
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.960
<v Speaker 1>that is so big and so powerful that it scares

978
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:57.199
<v Speaker 1>the shit out of them and turns it into an

979
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 1>existential thing. And I really do not know that you

980
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:07.079
<v Speaker 1>have that thing until later. If now I say that

981
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 1>there was a point where the Mongols were still going

982
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:15.800
<v Speaker 1>and they were moving across they were moving across Asia,

983
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:18.159
<v Speaker 1>and they have made it into Europe, and they were

984
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:21.320
<v Speaker 1>in Hungary, and they were starting to make em roads

985
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>into Poland. And there is no chance that anyone for

986
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:26.519
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the for the rest of the European

987
00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:29.920
<v Speaker 1>continent could stop the Mongols. They had run through everyone else,

988
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:34.199
<v Speaker 1>They ran through medieval China. They're not None of the

989
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 1>thirteenth century European states are stopping them unless they stop themselves,

990
00:57:40.280 --> 00:57:45.400
<v Speaker 1>which is what happened because Ogaday died, Oga Day Khan died,

991
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:52.840
<v Speaker 1>who was the successor to Timmychen, and he when he died,

992
00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.159
<v Speaker 1>they pulled back and then they stopped that. That right

993
00:57:55.199 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 1>there is I think the only thing that could do it,

994
00:57:59.039 --> 00:58:03.440
<v Speaker 1>because the Church has too much money. They're too powerful

995
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:06.440
<v Speaker 1>by this point. Once they undertake something like the First

996
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Crusade or they start doing stuff like that, they are

997
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:14.199
<v Speaker 1>too powerful to stop themselves and be like, whoa, we

998
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.440
<v Speaker 1>really got to pull back from the brink, like you

999
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.320
<v Speaker 1>have to experience the utter terror of standing over the

1000
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:22.920
<v Speaker 1>edge and looking into oblivion and being like we're going

1001
00:58:22.960 --> 00:58:25.840
<v Speaker 1>to die. And I mean maybe if the Mongols do that,

1002
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.800
<v Speaker 1>like and they make it all the way to like

1003
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:32.519
<v Speaker 1>France or something, then like yeah, like you might see

1004
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the church like seriously reform and change things. But like

1005
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.760
<v Speaker 1>other than that, they got hit by the Black Death,

1006
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.199
<v Speaker 1>and the response to the Black Death was this is

1007
00:58:42.239 --> 00:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>your fault, not outwards, like they didn't like and I mean,

1008
00:58:45.960 --> 00:58:48.559
<v Speaker 1>the Black Death is like the closest that they would

1009
00:58:48.599 --> 00:58:53.599
<v Speaker 1>be that they would be looking at like their power

1010
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 1>breaking down, and they saw that and they were like, Okay,

1011
00:58:57.719 --> 00:59:01.320
<v Speaker 1>not our fucking fault. You did it like you you

1012
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.440
<v Speaker 1>you peasants and nobles because you were being sinful or what.

1013
00:59:04.559 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>And you know, like and that is once you have

1014
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:11.639
<v Speaker 1>that response, like, you cannot, like you cannot come back

1015
00:59:11.760 --> 00:59:15.159
<v Speaker 1>from that response to the Black Death. You cannot if

1016
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:18.360
<v Speaker 1>you see seventy percent of your town die and the

1017
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:21.480
<v Speaker 1>bishop down the road goes, uh, actually it was because

1018
00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:26.320
<v Speaker 1>you guys didn't close that brothel or whatever. You're like,

1019
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:29.440
<v Speaker 1>at some point someone is gonna be like, hey, fuck

1020
00:59:29.519 --> 00:59:33.760
<v Speaker 1>you you you you guys, like if if you needed

1021
00:59:33.760 --> 00:59:36.159
<v Speaker 1>that clothes, then you should, like, you know, like just

1022
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.599
<v Speaker 1>fuck you. It's not our fault. You're the ones who

1023
00:59:38.599 --> 00:59:41.639
<v Speaker 1>intercests with God, not us, And I just don't ever

1024
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.840
<v Speaker 1>think that they would do it. I the Protestant Reformation

1025
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:49.719
<v Speaker 1>as we got it is not inevitable. It could be different.

1026
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.440
<v Speaker 1>It could come a little sooner depending on things. It

1027
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:54.960
<v Speaker 1>could be pushed back a little later, depending like if

1028
00:59:55.519 --> 01:00:01.920
<v Speaker 1>if Henry the Eighth doesn't h if his brother Arthur

1029
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.800
<v Speaker 1>doesn't die, and there's no one to do Anglicanism in

1030
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Europe in England, it's gonna look a whole lot different.

1031
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.320
<v Speaker 1>It is going to take a so much longer to

1032
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:18.119
<v Speaker 1>get across the Atlantic, and it's it's just going to

1033
01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>be like a whole European thing by itself, because England

1034
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:24.800
<v Speaker 1>and the Dutch were the ones, who you know, who

1035
01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:28.199
<v Speaker 1>exported it, and so yeah, but I mean, I just

1036
01:00:28.480 --> 01:00:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I really don't know. I don't It's not inevitable. But

1037
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<v Speaker 1>I do think that a reformation is inevitable. I do

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<v Speaker 1>not think that there is any way, on any timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>under any circumstance, where you would get from whatever three

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<v Speaker 1>three thirteen CE to twenty twenty five CE and only

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<v Speaker 1>have a monolithic Catholic Church and then the Orthodox off

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<v Speaker 1>to the side. That that is, in my mind, a

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<v Speaker 1>historic impossibility. I do not think that is possible under

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<v Speaker 1>any circumstance.

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<v Speaker 2>I've decided that might take. I've decided that if the

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<v Speaker 2>church had just listened to young Militch of Cromerses fourteenth century,

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<v Speaker 2>I've decided. I've decided this is my take. If you

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<v Speaker 2>just do everything that Mileitch says, you'll be fine. Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been it would have been fine. It

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<v Speaker 2>would have been fine. Get Charles the Fourth to help

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<v Speaker 2>out with the reform. We need a big tour where

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<v Speaker 2>all bishops have to like, they all have to come

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<v Speaker 2>to Rome. We're shutting Avenue and down. You've got to

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01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.360
<v Speaker 2>come to Rome right now and get yelled at and

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01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 2>take your fucking medicine. There needs to be like way

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<v Speaker 2>more preachers working with the local communities. And also give

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<v Speaker 2>Charles the Fourth everything he wants.

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<v Speaker 1>Make him, make him the universal monarch of and make

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<v Speaker 1>Hope the universal uh religious head as he basically was.

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<v Speaker 1>And there you go, Yeah, I do. I think you

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<v Speaker 1>also have to go back and you have to tell

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<v Speaker 1>them you have to destroy every printing press you find

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01:02:00.400 --> 01:02:03.079
<v Speaker 1>under no circumstance can you allow the printing press to

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01:02:03.199 --> 01:02:06.559
<v Speaker 1>come out. And that is because people will share ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>It does not matter. That is always going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>We are seeing it right now with how people react

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<v Speaker 1>to the Internet and becoming terminally online, and people are like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you see the rise in like flat earthism

1069
01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that, and like anti vax stuff, and like,

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01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.280
<v Speaker 1>once you get exposed to all this, people are going

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<v Speaker 1>to just go run with it because we're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>insane like that, and we're I mean, that's just kind

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01:02:31.119 --> 01:02:35.559
<v Speaker 1>of how we are. And you know, so you have to,

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<v Speaker 1>like you have to destroy all the printing presses. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to you have to like keep the iron fist

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01:02:42.440 --> 01:02:44.760
<v Speaker 1>of hegemony down, and you have to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>when you go to the Americas, you have a full

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01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.880
<v Speaker 1>like plan to keep it over there so that it

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01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:55.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't become infused and spark offshoot religions that are mixes

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<v Speaker 1>of Paganism and Catholicism, which is also an possibility it

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01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.719
<v Speaker 1>might be, but anyway, like, yeah, I don't I just

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01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:05.599
<v Speaker 1>don't think there's a way, and I don't I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it doesn't it doesn't have to look like

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01:03:08.239 --> 01:03:12.320
<v Speaker 1>the Protestantism we have now, which is which has been

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<v Speaker 1>so deliterious in so many ways. But it's like it

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<v Speaker 1>could have been worse. I mean, there's this is not

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<v Speaker 1>the worst timeline. We still exist, so it could have

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01:03:22.559 --> 01:03:23.880
<v Speaker 1>been worse, now.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I people get people will be like yo whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>like no it no, it could be worse, believe me. There.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean if the Puritans had gone a beggar hold,

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01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 2>everything would have been.

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<v Speaker 1>Worse, you know. Yeah, I mean like there's that there's

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<v Speaker 1>like yeah, it's like you know, there's the man in

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<v Speaker 1>the High Castle, you know, alternate universe where we're under

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01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:50.199
<v Speaker 1>the dominion of the Japanese Empire and the Knats, like

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01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:59.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like good God, anyway, It's yeah, Leach

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01:03:59.519 --> 01:03:59.840
<v Speaker 1>was right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a Darby County podcast. It's I don't podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that they are going to reform enough

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01:04:11.239 --> 01:04:14.119
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think, as we see with every power

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01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.800
<v Speaker 1>structure in history, unless they are scared to literal death

1106
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:21.119
<v Speaker 1>that they are dying or are going to die, they

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01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:24.440
<v Speaker 1>will not change, like it just doesn't work. They don't

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01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:28.320
<v Speaker 1>do it. Yeah, so that's my opinion. But uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys make of it what you will. Thank you, Gassie,

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01:04:31.519 --> 01:04:34.679
<v Speaker 1>and thank you everyone for the questions. We appreciate it. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Next time, as we said, we will be back with

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01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:38.840
<v Speaker 1>an episode about conclaves, and we are going to talk

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01:04:38.880 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 1>about all about how you should go and stand outside

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01:04:42.639 --> 01:04:44.280
<v Speaker 1>the conclave with a bunch of bird seed on your

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01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:47.880
<v Speaker 1>shoulders so pigeons are a dove's roost on your on

1116
01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:50.719
<v Speaker 1>your shoulders, and you are elected pope. That's right, because

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01:04:50.760 --> 01:04:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that did work at least one point, according to the sources.

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<v Speaker 1>Come back for that. We'll talk about conclaves. We'll talk

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01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:03.360
<v Speaker 1>about out the death of Francis and what what that meat,

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01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:06.840
<v Speaker 1>what the modern conclave kind of looks like, you know. Yeah,

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01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:10.840
<v Speaker 1>and we'll we'll have fun because they are fun. And

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01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 1>hopefully they won't pick someone. Hopefully they'll pick someone on

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01:05:15.920 --> 01:05:21.599
<v Speaker 1>the more progressive end of the Catholic insanity spectrum. The

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01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:25.280
<v Speaker 1>other end. I don't know who that is. Hopefully someone

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01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 1>someone that makes that makes JD that makes JD Vance mad?

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<v Speaker 1>That would I mean, that is what we want, isn't

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01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:35.039
<v Speaker 1>it you know, but other than that, also someone who's

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<v Speaker 1>going to excommunicate it, maybe that would be cool, just thought,

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01:05:39.239 --> 01:05:40.519
<v Speaker 1>man his last act.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, Pope France has had the opportunity

1131
01:05:42.639 --> 01:05:44.280
<v Speaker 2>to do the funniest thing of all time and he

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<v Speaker 2>like really.

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<v Speaker 1>So much.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, fumbled, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, annoys me anyway, Uh, Francis, thanks for the memories. Uh,

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01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:01.719
<v Speaker 1>thanks for pissing off jd Vance and other similar arch

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01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:06.760
<v Speaker 1>conservative Catholics. And yeah, other than that, thank you all

1138
01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:10.039
<v Speaker 1>for the questions. Subscribe to the Patreon eleanor what the

1139
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:11.280
<v Speaker 1>hell is going on with you?

1140
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh May It's gonna be a nightmare week for me

1141
01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:16.760
<v Speaker 2>because the Pope died and I work in like the

1142
01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:21.000
<v Speaker 2>one industry where that constitutes an emergency. So yeah, I

1143
01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:25.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know, doing a lot of that here, there and

1144
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:28.519
<v Speaker 2>everywhere this week. So keep an eye on my socials

1145
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:30.679
<v Speaker 2>if you want to see where I'm being asked about

1146
01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:34.519
<v Speaker 2>that a lot at Going Medieval. I'll try to write

1147
01:06:34.559 --> 01:06:37.440
<v Speaker 2>something up on the blog eventually as well. Hopefully i'll

1148
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:39.719
<v Speaker 2>get that done this month, but otherwise I'm just kind

1149
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:42.599
<v Speaker 2>of like trying to not lose my mind and get

1150
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:47.599
<v Speaker 2>through it. Babes, we're just oh if you are Another

1151
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:51.639
<v Speaker 2>thing I will say is plug for human decency. If

1152
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.119
<v Speaker 2>you live in the United Kingdom, could you please do

1153
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.320
<v Speaker 2>me a solid and write to your MP and scream

1154
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.519
<v Speaker 2>at them about how trans rights are human rights. That

1155
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:06.599
<v Speaker 2>would be really cool. It's important for us to not

1156
01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:10.840
<v Speaker 2>kind of like give up hope right now on all

1157
01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:12.559
<v Speaker 2>of this. And at the very least what you can

1158
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:16.400
<v Speaker 2>do is like just make your MP miserable, right, Like,

1159
01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:21.400
<v Speaker 2>make them just feel absolutely awful about their lives and

1160
01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:24.679
<v Speaker 2>their choices. So I really want you to kind of

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01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:27.599
<v Speaker 2>like consider what you could do in terms of making

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01:07:27.639 --> 01:07:31.840
<v Speaker 2>them miserable. There's a really great resource that I used

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01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:36.239
<v Speaker 2>in order to write to my MP today and scream

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01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:40.559
<v Speaker 2>at them. That is online. Sorry I am just picking

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01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:42.400
<v Speaker 2>it up. Yeah, it is called If you go to

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01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the trans Legalproject dot org. They have guidelines for how

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01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:50.360
<v Speaker 2>you can write to your MP and what you should

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01:07:50.360 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 2>say to them about how like, actually, I don't think

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01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:57.000
<v Speaker 2>we should have gender cops who decide if a woman

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<v Speaker 2>is sufficiently feminine looking if she needs to pee in public,

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01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:03.000
<v Speaker 2>So do be a solid do us all favor and

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01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:03.599
<v Speaker 2>check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even if you have a good imp like Jeremy

1174
01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:10.960
<v Speaker 1>Corbyn and he has said good things. You still you know,

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01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:14.440
<v Speaker 1>they still know that people do that because that still

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01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:16.960
<v Speaker 1>affects things over there. I do not know how much

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01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:20.560
<v Speaker 1>it affects things here with that being a much bigger nation,

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01:08:20.760 --> 01:08:23.760
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not like bigger in terms of size.

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<v Speaker 2>Not. Oh well, it turns out that even in America,

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01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:28.319
<v Speaker 2>if you write to your senator, if they get yelled

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01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:32.199
<v Speaker 2>at by like ten people, they oh, everyone's bad at.

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01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they'll post a video, They'll post a TikTok video.

1183
01:08:35.399 --> 01:08:37.079
<v Speaker 1>Look at all the threats we get and all the

1184
01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:42.399
<v Speaker 1>replies are good. You deserve more threats. Oh man, I

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01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:44.439
<v Speaker 1>wish I could get the audio. There's a video like

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01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a people and it's just old people. It's not young people.

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01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.600
<v Speaker 1>It's old people, a lot of them with Southern accidents,

1188
01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:53.199
<v Speaker 1>calling uh Tom Tillis, who's a senator from North Carolina,

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01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and being like.

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<v Speaker 4>You, dumb son of a fucking bitch, How fucking dare

1191
01:08:57.239 --> 01:08:59.920
<v Speaker 4>you do this? You think you could take our tech?

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01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:03.319
<v Speaker 4>And you're just like okay, man, go and like like

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01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.159
<v Speaker 4>I find what and fucked.

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01:09:04.840 --> 01:09:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Up from nam.

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01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.239
<v Speaker 4>I'd come down there, shove a fucking rifle down your

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01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:10.279
<v Speaker 4>goddamn threat you're.

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01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:14.680
<v Speaker 1>Like, whoa, whoa, right, buddy, all right, okay, yeah, and

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01:09:14.880 --> 01:09:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's great. Anyway, I'm not praising death threats.

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01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 1>I am praising oh, speaking out and using your voice

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01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:25.079
<v Speaker 1>in the political process.

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01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:27.560
<v Speaker 2>You were saying those things for the purposes of parody.

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01:09:27.960 --> 01:09:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, that was That was a video, the TikTok

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01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:34.199
<v Speaker 1>video that can be linked to. I am not endorsing

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01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:38.960
<v Speaker 1>uh saying such things. I am endorsing uh calling them

1205
01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:43.119
<v Speaker 1>and making them lives miserable until they change their idea

1206
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:46.560
<v Speaker 1>and vote uh to say that trans people are people

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01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:49.680
<v Speaker 1>in trans rights or human rights and everything else that's

1208
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.039
<v Speaker 1>wrong with the world. But uh, yeah, anyway, you guys

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01:09:52.079 --> 01:09:54.119
<v Speaker 1>know where to find me where I'm saying shit like that.

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01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:57.560
<v Speaker 1>You can find me on the socials. Luke is amazing,

1211
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 1>and you can find them. I'll show people's for the

1212
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Old Republic if you want to hear me chat about

1213
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Star Wars. But anyway, that's going to do it for

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<v Speaker 1>us today. Thank y'all for listening. We'll see you next time. Bye.