Speaker 1: Today, I want to welcome Al Santa Riga. He has
Speaker 1: over fifty years experience in all aspects of the paranormal.
Speaker 2: He is a sensitive, intuitive and all.
Speaker 1: The clayers as well as an investigator, experiencer, researcher, and cryptozoologist.
Speaker 1: He is founder of several paranormal societies as well as
Speaker 1: he is an ex podcaster and MOFON member. Al welcome,
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing fine, Chris, how you doing? Thank you for
Speaker 3: inviting me on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for coming on. I can't complain. I
Speaker 1: can't complain. This is gonna be fun. You've had a
Speaker 1: lifetime of paranormal experiences, from psychic and intuitive awareness to
Speaker 1: UFOs and crypto terrestrials. You're also a paranormal investigator that
Speaker 1: has an understanding based off of personal experiences. So we'll
Speaker 1: probably jump into a few different paranormal rabbit holes today,
Speaker 1: but before we do, this is your first time on,
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about yourself, your background,
Speaker 1: and how everything started for you.
Speaker 3: Okay, my mom is my mom was a psychic. My
Speaker 3: brother it was like one of the first parapsychologists in
Speaker 3: the United States worked with Han Holtzer's right hand man,
Speaker 3: for years and his psychic Ethol I think her name was.
Speaker 3: My aunt was a white witch. My cousin was a
Speaker 3: white witch. I had a cousin who was a black witch.
Speaker 3: So the paranormal just kind of runs in my family
Speaker 3: with I thought was normal growing up. My friends said
Speaker 3: it wasn't quite normal to them, you know, But to
Speaker 3: me and my family and my cousins and everybody, it
Speaker 3: was normal to like sleep over cousin's house and have
Speaker 3: my uncles and my aunts doing seances and stuff like
Speaker 3: that in the in the dining room and stuff. You know,
Speaker 3: when we were younger, we'd sneak out and down the
Speaker 3: hall and hide and the shadows watching them and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And uh, you know, just always into uh
Speaker 3: when I was in school and every Friday we'd have
Speaker 3: to go and rent get a book out of a library,
Speaker 3: was always ghost, bigfoot, lockanus, monster, stuff like that. I
Speaker 3: couldn't get enough of that stuff growing up. And uh,
Speaker 3: you know, just always have been intuitive, you know, always
Speaker 3: kind of I call it gut feelings. Always had gut
Speaker 3: feelings all my life. I always knew when something was
Speaker 3: about to go south somewhere, and UH was able to
Speaker 3: get out of dodge before you know, for anything bad happened.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, working.
Speaker 4: In the paranormal and in all the fields that I
Speaker 4: do between you have eufology, cryptozoology and the ghost, ghost
Speaker 4: investigation and.
Speaker 3: Stuff, you get sensitive to energies Over the years. The
Speaker 3: more you do it, the more sensitive you get to
Speaker 3: different kinds of energies. And you know, you start feeling
Speaker 3: different energies differently. Some energies affect me. I'll get like
Speaker 3: a pressure in my forehead or temples. Some will give
Speaker 3: me a metallic taste in my mouth. Some will make
Speaker 3: my fingertips tingle, you know, just stuff like that. I
Speaker 3: get a little voice in the back of my head
Speaker 3: will tell me, you know, go left, don't go right,
Speaker 3: stuff like that, you know what I mean. So, you know,
Speaker 3: it's just sense. The longer you do it, the more
Speaker 3: sensitive you get to it. Not that I claim to
Speaker 3: be psychic by any stretching imagination, but I just do
Speaker 3: things that are considered psychic abilities. But I don't have
Speaker 3: the ability to just do it at will, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. It's got to come naturally to me.
Speaker 3: I was on an investigation with John Zapf. It's not
Speaker 3: too long ago, and we were down in the basement.
Speaker 3: It's this really old seventeen hundred building, and I felt
Speaker 3: like I was on a boat and I was rocking,
Speaker 3: you know, and it was weird, and nobody else was
Speaker 3: feeling it until the other teams. Psychic came down and
Speaker 3: she was like, you guys, feel like it's like we're
Speaker 3: on a boat. And I was like, yeah, I felt that.
Speaker 3: And then at one point I like to go away
Speaker 3: from the crowd. When everybody's in one room, I like
Speaker 3: to go somewhere else. And at one point everybody had
Speaker 3: left the basement. The basement was like really the highest
Speaker 3: activity part of the house, and I was sitting down
Speaker 3: there and again I don't know why I do this,
Speaker 3: but something in my head said, touch the foundation was rock.
Speaker 3: It was old rock foundation. And then the voice again said,
Speaker 3: touched the door, which was like four inches s thick
Speaker 3: old door. And I was just touching the door and
Speaker 3: touching the foundation, and I got the image of the
Speaker 3: underground railroad in my head, you know. And at that point,
Speaker 3: everybody was upstairs in the living room, you know, sharing notes,
Speaker 3: because there was like three different teams there, including John's assis,
Speaker 3: and everybody was sharing notes, and I went upstairs and
Speaker 3: I asked a historian on one of the teams any
Speaker 3: history about this building being used to on the ground
Speaker 3: railroad and she said, no, you know a couple of
Speaker 3: buildings in the area, yes, but not this one. And
Speaker 3: the team psychic turned to me and said, why did
Speaker 3: you ask that? And I was like, and I told
Speaker 3: her what I did downstairs, and she said, I felt
Speaker 3: the same thing you felt downstairs. Out I felt the ocean.
Speaker 3: She and when you weren't down there, I did the
Speaker 3: same thing you did. I touched the stone wall, you know,
Speaker 3: the stone tape theory, you know, And I touched the
Speaker 3: door and I seen the same exact thing you did.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if we're both seeing images from
Speaker 3: buildings across the street or if this building was actually
Speaker 3: used as another ground river road, But it was just
Speaker 3: funny how we were sharing notes and everything was like coinciding.
Speaker 3: What their team psychic was doing and what I was
Speaker 3: picking up was just pretty interesting, you know.
Speaker 1: So imagine from an early age, after you were aware
Speaker 1: that you had some of these abilities, you had the
Speaker 1: sort of family that would help nurture these abilities instead
Speaker 1: of tell you that you're crazy or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, I come from a very big Italian family,
Speaker 3: and the way my family shows love is by breaking
Speaker 3: your bulls, okay, and the more they break you bulls,
Speaker 3: it means the more they love you. My brother got
Speaker 3: his balls broken endlessly, endlessly. Now, my brother graduated college
Speaker 3: with a you know, master's degree in finance, so he
Speaker 3: was a money guy, you know. But he also got
Speaker 3: his he had flew out to California to get his
Speaker 3: parapsychology degree when it first came out, you know, when
Speaker 3: it first got here from the UK, I believe it
Speaker 3: came from. And when he got back from California, my
Speaker 3: uncles and my cousins are like, yeah, you're gonna make
Speaker 3: a lot of money with that degree. Good thing you
Speaker 3: went to school for that, you know, And they just
Speaker 3: wrote him endlessly, you know. But he just took it
Speaker 3: with a grain of salt and he laughed and just
Speaker 3: did what he did, you know. And like I said,
Speaker 3: it's it's I've got a lot of family members that
Speaker 3: are psychic. They have psychic ability, especially the one that
Speaker 3: runs in the line with my aunt, the White Witch.
Speaker 3: Her daughter and her daughter's daughter are all have psychic ability.
Speaker 3: But they're basically petrified to use any of it. They
Speaker 3: don't want nothing to do with it. You know. I
Speaker 3: got one cousin. No matter where she lives, her house
Speaker 3: just goes crazy, you know. And no matter how many
Speaker 3: times to go down there and cleanse it and seal
Speaker 3: it and everything, it's just her ability that you know,
Speaker 3: Eventually that seal wears down, and once that wears down,
Speaker 3: you know, everything just comes to because she's a beacon,
Speaker 3: you know, and she just constantly has stuff going on
Speaker 3: in her house. And I keep telling her, listen, if
Speaker 3: you want to, you can't outrun this stuff. Man, you
Speaker 3: have to. If you want to live with this stuff,
Speaker 3: you have to. And you don't want to associate with it,
Speaker 3: because she gets some crazy your stuff on her video
Speaker 3: in her security camera in the house and outside the house,
Speaker 3: you know. And I told her, if you really want to,
Speaker 3: once I seal it and we and we seal the property,
Speaker 3: you have to stay on top of that like once
Speaker 3: a month to keep that because these things see your light.
Speaker 3: You're a beacon. They're gonna try to get in. You're
Speaker 3: gonna constantly be trying to get in. And as soon
Speaker 3: as that that seal fades boom, your house is going
Speaker 3: to get infested again. And she just moved at their time,
Speaker 3: you know. So I was just at her new house today,
Speaker 3: you know, doing some cleansing and ceiling before she even
Speaker 3: moves in, you know. Yeah, but uh yeah, it's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get into some of the most profound experiences
Speaker 1: for you, either growing up or more recent, something that
Speaker 1: really sticks out for you, either in the paranormal or
Speaker 1: or crypto terrestrial realms.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, you know, where do I start? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, I've I've seen the thing that
Speaker 3: I called, you know, I called the Green Goblin because
Speaker 3: it looked like the Green Goblin to me from the
Speaker 3: Spider Man movie from the nineties with William Dafoe in it.
Speaker 3: You know, talk to my brother about it. He kind
Speaker 3: of thought it was either a reptilian or an insectoid creature.
Speaker 3: And even though it did kind of look like a
Speaker 3: reptilian had an alligator stomach and it was green and
Speaker 3: had our alligator feet, it was more exoskeleton on the outside,
Speaker 3: like an ant you know. So I don't know if
Speaker 3: it was a hybrid or what it was, but that
Speaker 3: was pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: How did it appear to you what happened during that experience?
Speaker 3: You want me to get into that experience? Sure, but okay,
Speaker 3: I was I was a maleman for thirty two years
Speaker 3: and I was working. I was working in Yonkers, New York,
Speaker 3: and I was working in the north North Yonkers and
Speaker 3: it was a really high end area of town. I mean,
Speaker 3: the mayor lived there, the police commissioner to live there.
Speaker 3: I mean it was just very, very high end. And
Speaker 3: the regular carrier got hurt and asked me if I
Speaker 3: wanted to take hold his route down to the care.
Speaker 3: I knew he was going to be out for like
Speaker 3: a year, so I was like, yeah, I'll hold this
Speaker 3: route down. This is cake, you know, basically was all
Speaker 3: buildings except for maybe thirty houses that ran along an
Speaker 3: aqueduct that ran water from the Catskills down to New
Speaker 3: York City, which was just you know, maybe a mile
Speaker 3: a couple of miles long. It wasn't that long of
Speaker 3: uh wooded area, you know. So I was doing the
Speaker 3: route and one day I'm walking. I finished it at
Speaker 3: the end of the route, and I used to park
Speaker 3: my car at the beginning of the aqueduct because the
Speaker 3: first building was like right across the street. And it
Speaker 3: was always parking on either side of the street in
Speaker 3: front of the aqueduct. It was like it was weird.
Speaker 3: Nobody would park where this aqueduct would cross the street.
Speaker 3: So I said, I'll park here, you know. And I
Speaker 3: so one day I finished the route and I'm walking.
Speaker 3: I'm taking the aqueduct back to my car, because it's
Speaker 3: a shortcut. If I take the aqueduct, it's a mile.
Speaker 3: If I take the road, it's two miles, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. So I'm taking the aqueduct back to
Speaker 3: my car. And as I'm walking, I'm noticing that all
Speaker 3: the private houses have like these ten foot fences, and
Speaker 3: all the private houses have these like killer guard dogs,
Speaker 3: you know, Wiless pimples, German shepherds, Golbman pinchers, just like
Speaker 3: all these crazy dogs. And the dogs are all going crazy.
Speaker 3: Every time I walk past us, another dog would run
Speaker 3: up to the fence and go absolutely ballistic. And as
Speaker 3: I was walking back, before I got to the private homes,
Speaker 3: and I was still in the condominium comp there was
Speaker 3: like three giant condominiums that faced the apple, I felt
Speaker 3: like something was following me, you know, I just got
Speaker 3: the feeling that something was following me, and I would
Speaker 3: turn around and wouldn't see anything, and I would walk
Speaker 3: some more, and man, I just felt like something. The
Speaker 3: energy was just like all over me. So I turned
Speaker 3: around and I pulled at Houston Kyri two cans of
Speaker 3: dog spray, one on each side of the bag. I
Speaker 3: pulled both cans off the bag and I ran to
Speaker 3: the area where I felt this energy was and it
Speaker 3: was in the bushes, like the woods, and I just
Speaker 3: turned those trees from green to red, you know. And
Speaker 3: I said, if there's anything here and it leaves, I'll
Speaker 3: be able to see it because I just sprayed all
Speaker 3: these bushes down. But nothing moved. So I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: So as I'm walking and I start to get to
Speaker 3: the houses with these giant fences and these killer dogs,
Speaker 3: the dogs are all running up to the fence and
Speaker 3: going crazy. And I don't know if they're running up
Speaker 3: to me because i'm the mail, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: or if there's they see what's following me and they're
Speaker 3: going nuts, you know. Anyway, I get to my car
Speaker 3: and I would do the one first building with across
Speaker 3: the street. I did this one building that had a
Speaker 3: west end and niest End. It was a really big
Speaker 3: building again, high end building. Judges like Supreme Court judges.
Speaker 3: We lived in it, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: right across the street there wasn't actually an ex NFL
Speaker 3: football play guy used to play for the Jets. So
Speaker 3: every day when I would go there, we we talk football,
Speaker 3: you know, and we talked football. And I said to
Speaker 3: him one day, I said, what's the deal with all
Speaker 3: these you know, ten foot fences and killer guard dogs,
Speaker 3: you know? And he goes, you know what he goes.
Speaker 3: When I first moved in here, years and years and
Speaker 3: years ago, he said, my wife got up one night
Speaker 3: to use the bathroom, and at that time, we didn't
Speaker 3: have any dog. The kids were small. He said, we
Speaker 3: didn't have any dogs, and the fence was only like
Speaker 3: a four foot fence, you know, because like I said,
Speaker 3: it's a very high end neighborhod there's not a lot
Speaker 3: of prime there, you know.
Speaker 5: And she was in the bathroom washing her hands after
Speaker 5: she used the bathroom, and she looked out the windows
Speaker 5: and she's seeing it look like a five or six
Speaker 5: foot tall guy jump over the fence and come towards
Speaker 5: our back door.
Speaker 3: So she come woke me up and this guy's like
Speaker 3: six foot seven, three hundred and fifty pounds. He's a monster, right,
Speaker 3: and she goes he wakes me up and says someone
Speaker 3: at the back door. So he grabs a baseball bat
Speaker 3: to go down, and she was at the back door.
Speaker 3: She's on the phone with the cops calling nine one one. Now,
Speaker 3: this particular neighborhood, there was always two cop cars parked
Speaker 3: on this neighborhood, one at the south end and one
Speaker 3: at the north end. And she's calling the cops and
Speaker 3: the cops are like, okay, we'll send the car. We
Speaker 3: got a car a unit in the area. We'll send
Speaker 3: the unit there. It's probably just a prowler, don't worry
Speaker 3: about it. This guy opens he hears scratching at his
Speaker 3: back door. He had a wooden back door, and he
Speaker 3: hears scratching at the back door. He opens up the
Speaker 3: door and he grabs his baseball bat to whack this guy,
Speaker 3: thinking there's somebody trying to uh break in, and he
Speaker 3: sees this creature standing there looking at him, you know,
Speaker 3: and he's like shocked, and the creature is shocked because
Speaker 3: this guy is so big too, you know, And the
Speaker 3: creature takes off running and the cops come there and
Speaker 3: they tell the He tells the cops, you know, my
Speaker 3: wife's seen it jump over the fence. I've seen it
Speaker 3: run back out and jump over the fence. YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: And the cops, oh, what you've seen was just some
Speaker 3: some prowler in a halloween costume, you know. He was like,
Speaker 3: what I seen wasn't you know, no prowler in a
Speaker 3: Halloween He wasn't no kid trying to break into my house.
Speaker 3: This was this wasn't human, you know. And they can say, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: you just seen a prowler. You know, this is what
Speaker 3: we recommend. So all the all the people in this
Speaker 3: neighborhood get yourself a steel door, and buy yourself a dog,
Speaker 3: and raise the fence like another five feet, make it
Speaker 3: a ten foot fence. So he's like okay. So then
Speaker 3: he started talking to his neighbors and they all told
Speaker 3: they gave him the scoop that there's this creature living
Speaker 3: in the woods, and so everybody had the dog. And
Speaker 3: then so he tells me the story and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not sure if this guy's pulling my
Speaker 3: leg or not. You know what I mean really wasn't
Speaker 3: sure because he was a fun guy, and I wasn't
Speaker 3: really sure. I started talking to all the other neighbors
Speaker 3: and on Saturday, everybody was out cutting the grass, you know,
Speaker 3: doing yard work and stuff, long work. And there was
Speaker 3: one woman, is older woman, heavy set, black woman. She
Speaker 3: ran like a halfway house for abused women, so she
Speaker 3: had and then to get to the front door from
Speaker 3: the sidewalk was like one hundred steps up on every
Speaker 3: single one of these houses, okay.
Speaker 4: And.
Speaker 3: So I help her up with her groceries one day
Speaker 3: and we become really good friends. We start talking and
Speaker 3: she's got iced tea for me and lemonade in the
Speaker 3: summer and coffee and hot chalk in the winter. And
Speaker 3: we started talking about this, you know, and she had
Speaker 3: an old pit bull that was scarred up, unbelievable, just
Speaker 3: like Mould. And I said, what happened to you dog,
Speaker 3: you know? And she's like, let me tell your story.
Speaker 3: And so she tells me the story how in the beginning,
Speaker 3: when she the dog was young, she had a wooden
Speaker 3: back door, small fence. Something jumped over the fence. Everybody
Speaker 3: was in bed, all the girls were in bed, the
Speaker 3: ladies in the house and something started clawing its way
Speaker 3: through her doors, and the dog ran down to protect
Speaker 3: the house and started fighting with this thing, and this
Speaker 3: thing mauled the dog, just mauled them, you know, and
Speaker 3: she called the cops. The cops came, the thing ran away.
Speaker 3: Cops took the dog to an amb hospital, saved the dog.
Speaker 3: And now she's got two pimples, the old one and
Speaker 3: a younger one, you know. But the dog kind of
Speaker 3: saved everybody. And she said, I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: She goes, but we had to change the door to
Speaker 3: a steel door. But the crazy thing about it is
Speaker 3: these people all have windows in their kitchens and the
Speaker 3: window pane is like an eighth of an inch stick,
Speaker 3: and this thing never thought to break the glass to
Speaker 3: get it. It was always clawing at the doors. So
Speaker 3: I didn'tink it. Whatever it was to me, I didn't
Speaker 3: feel like it was that intelligent. So it was a
Speaker 3: time goes by. I'm taking the aqueduct, and you know,
Speaker 3: sometimes I feel it, sometimes they don't. I'm not worried
Speaker 3: about it, because you know, I'm I can handle myself.
Speaker 3: I'm a pretty good, pretty big guy, and the martial
Speaker 3: arts my whole life. I have plenty. I got plenty
Speaker 3: of confidence in my ability to defend myself. And so
Speaker 3: one day, I know, I started noticing that the buildings,
Speaker 3: all the condos that face the Hudson River, nobody moved
Speaker 3: in or at it. Once they moved in, everybody stayed there.
Speaker 3: But the condos that faced the aqueduct, people were constantly leaving,
Speaker 3: coming and going. And I couldn't understand for such a
Speaker 3: high end area neighborhood, such beautiful buildings. I mean, these
Speaker 3: buildings were gorgeous. They had pools on the roof in
Speaker 3: the whole nine yards, you know. And so I couldn't
Speaker 3: nderstand why everybody was leaving. So I started talking to
Speaker 3: one of the maintenance guys. I said, Hey, what's the
Speaker 3: deal with this building? Why has everybody moved so much?
Speaker 3: You know? And he said, oh, because of the troop
Speaker 3: of cabre you called it a troop of cover schopercaboves
Speaker 3: in the woods and at night it sits on the aqueduct.
Speaker 3: It literally climbs up these people's uh fire scat fire
Speaker 3: escapes patios. The patios were all made out of wood.
Speaker 3: It would climb up on the patios, take lawn furniture,
Speaker 3: put it on the act with the and sit there
Speaker 3: and stare at the building like how it's trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how to get in. And he said the
Speaker 3: troop of combo would freak everybody out, you know. He
Speaker 3: said one day he was up on the roof at
Speaker 3: the north end of the pool checking the pH level
Speaker 3: on the pool when something came out of the south end.
Speaker 3: He didn't see it was invisible, but he said when
Speaker 3: it walked to the edge of the building, it left
Speaker 3: tracks like an alligator. And he said, I don't know
Speaker 3: if it jumped off the roof and onto the the
Speaker 3: witch you were called the woods into the woods, or
Speaker 3: if it climbed down the side of the roof. But
Speaker 3: we used to we had to go in, he said.
Speaker 3: Told me, Yah had to go into everybody's patios and
Speaker 3: change all the doors to steal doors, like steel rim
Speaker 3: doors because the origin they were all wood. Everything matched
Speaker 3: the building, you know. And he said, we had to
Speaker 3: change everything. And he says, yeah, the chup of carboloves
Speaker 3: in the woods freaks everybody out. So winter comes and
Speaker 3: gets darker earlier. And these buildings are at the end
Speaker 3: of the route. The way these buildings were set up.
Speaker 3: There are two buildings were connected by a breezeway on
Speaker 3: the back end. You'd have to take the elevator up
Speaker 3: to each floor to deliver the mail. Each floor had
Speaker 3: its own mailbox, okay, like set of mailboxes for that floor,
Speaker 3: and then there was a breezeway. I got a second
Speaker 3: floor that went over to the other building, but that
Speaker 3: building had the mailboxes in the lobby, so he went
Speaker 3: downstairs with the mail. So I'm on the I'm delivering
Speaker 3: the mail in the mailbox, and it's you know, late
Speaker 3: around four o'clock in the afternoon in the winter, and
Speaker 3: I noticed that the women are coming home with the
Speaker 3: kids from school and the school buses and dropping and
Speaker 3: the kids. As soon as they get off the elevator,
Speaker 3: they turn and they run to their doors like they're
Speaker 3: not wasting any time getting into the building. And the
Speaker 3: same thing with the ladies. The ladies are getting out
Speaker 3: of the elevator, they're not even looking towards it. They're
Speaker 3: just making a bee line to their apartments. And I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: this is crazy. I can't believe what's going on here,
Speaker 3: you know. So one time I'm sitting there and I'm
Speaker 3: putting the mail in the box, and I feel like
Speaker 3: something is looking at me. So I turn around and
Speaker 3: I walk over to the breezeway and the breezeway wasn't
Speaker 3: closed in. It was an open breezeway which overlooked the courtyard,
Speaker 3: which was a beautiful courtyard where they had barbecues and stuff.
Speaker 3: And it was like an a foot retaining wall holding
Speaker 3: the aqueduct back. And I'm looking down at the aqueduct
Speaker 3: and I'm saying, I know you're out there. I can
Speaker 3: feel you looking at me. I know you're there. I said,
Speaker 3: you can't intimidate me. I said, show yourself, you know,
Speaker 3: not really expecting like talking to the wind. Right in
Speaker 3: my head. I'm doing this like telepathically, right because I
Speaker 3: don't want anybody to hear because and I'm crazy, you know,
Speaker 3: crazy bailment, so so not thinking anything was gonna happen.
Speaker 3: When I seen two yellow, yellowish green eyes flash boom
Speaker 3: like here I am. And I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: there you go, and now now I see you. And
Speaker 3: I said to him, said I'm going nowhere. I'll be
Speaker 3: right down. So I went down and I went into
Speaker 3: the courtyard and I'm looking up at the retaining wall. Again,
Speaker 3: I can't see anything. It's invisible to me. And I said,
Speaker 3: you know what, let me stand up on the on
Speaker 3: the picnic tables. Give myself a little bit of height
Speaker 3: because this thing's on an a foot wall. It's towering
Speaker 3: over me, you know. So I got up on the
Speaker 3: retaining up on the on the picnic table and say, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm here, now, show me show me who you are,
Speaker 3: show me what you are. And it materialized in front
Speaker 3: of me and it was this green exoskeleton looking thing
Speaker 3: that looked like the Green Goblin to me, but it's
Speaker 3: belly was like almost white, like an alligator, and it
Speaker 3: had alligator feet and hands. And I looked at it
Speaker 3: and I was like, what the F is this thing?
Speaker 3: What am I looking at? You know? You know, and
Speaker 3: the dog came to my head. Is an alien?
Speaker 2: But you said it had sort of like an insect
Speaker 2: orid head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it had an if you ever looked at the
Speaker 3: old green Goblin from the Old Spider Man movies had
Speaker 3: that kind of head, you know. And I'm looking at
Speaker 3: it and I'm thinking it's an alien, and I'm saying, no,
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like alien to me. It felt like to
Speaker 3: me that it was a cave dweller, that it lived
Speaker 3: in caves, and these particular woods had a lot of
Speaker 3: caves in there, because back in the old days, when
Speaker 3: the rich people from who worked in Manhattan built these
Speaker 3: giant mansions overlooking the Hudson River, a lot of them
Speaker 3: had underground passages to the river and they would go
Speaker 3: down by boat, or they would have stuff brought up
Speaker 3: by boat, and they used to run liquor that way too.
Speaker 3: So I know there's a lot of underground caverns in
Speaker 3: this area, and I'm like, to me, it felt like
Speaker 3: a caves dweller. And to me, it didn't feel like
Speaker 3: it was alien like extra terrestrial, because I didn't get
Speaker 3: the sense that it was that intelligent. Because if you
Speaker 3: were that intelligent, why didn't you just tap the window
Speaker 3: with one of your nails and break the window if
Speaker 3: you want to get in, get out. So I'm looking
Speaker 3: at it, it's looking at me. It sides me up
Speaker 3: on the side, ended up, and I'm saying, Okay, now
Speaker 3: I know what I'm dealing with, you know. So life
Speaker 3: goes on. I'm delivering the mail, and one day in
Speaker 3: this first building that I delivered to the south end.
Speaker 3: There was a judge who lived there and I used
Speaker 3: to talk to him all the time. Was a great guy,
Speaker 3: and his daughter lived on the north end. Her actually
Speaker 3: her apartment was on the first floor that faced the aqueduct,
Speaker 3: and all the buildings that face the aqueduct, the windows
Speaker 3: were all like caged off, almost like you were in
Speaker 3: fre isn't right. And I couldn't understand why they would
Speaker 3: have these cages on these high end buildings, you know.
Speaker 3: Can't imagine people wanted to look out their window and
Speaker 3: see these bars on their windows. So one night, she's
Speaker 3: just a young girl, she tells me the story one
Speaker 3: she comes in one day. She comes into the building
Speaker 3: one day with this giant fill of German shepherd, right,
Speaker 3: and the dog is like going crazy, wanting to eat me.
Speaker 3: And she's like, I'll go to the other side of
Speaker 3: the building because I could barely hold them, you know,
Speaker 3: And she got I'll bring him in the apartment. So
Speaker 3: she brought him in the apartment. I was like, what, what,
Speaker 3: when the hell did you get this dog, you know,
Speaker 3: and and she goes like, well, you don't know what
Speaker 3: happened to me. I said, well, what happened to you?
Speaker 3: She said, young girl, good looking girl, worked in Manhattan.
Speaker 3: She was a lawyer too. I drove a nice like
Speaker 3: portion and stuff, she said. One night, I came home
Speaker 3: from work and there was no place to park but
Speaker 3: in front of the act with us. So I parked
Speaker 3: in front of the act with us. And when I
Speaker 3: got out of my car, I felt like there was
Speaker 3: something on the act with looking at me, but I
Speaker 3: couldn't see it. She said. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: I heard footsteps running towards me, but I couldn't see
Speaker 3: what was coming towards me. So she took off running
Speaker 3: to her building, which was only across the street. And
Speaker 3: this particular building had a wooden foyer door for the foyer,
Speaker 3: it was really a big, heavy door, you know, like
Speaker 3: three inches thick, and then it had glass doors to
Speaker 3: get into the lobby. And she said, I made it
Speaker 3: to the foyer when this thing hit the door boom
Speaker 3: ran into the door, sent her flying. She got back
Speaker 3: up to close the door, she said, and she's seen
Speaker 3: like these green claws coming in the door trying to
Speaker 3: push it. So I opened so she took out her mace.
Speaker 3: Because she lived in the city, she carried mace and
Speaker 3: she sprayed the thing down, which gave her enough time
Speaker 3: to get the lobby door unlocked and in and ever
Speaker 3: since then she went out, and so she called her father,
Speaker 3: told her father what had just happened. This creature, I
Speaker 3: guess it got her. It ran around the side of
Speaker 3: the building and was trying to pull the bars off
Speaker 3: of her bedroom window. And she called her father, and
Speaker 3: her father came down. And father came down with his
Speaker 3: three point fifty seven and he just started shooting through
Speaker 3: the through the window at this creature, you know, and
Speaker 3: he led off like six rounds. And of course, you know,
Speaker 3: the cops come and everything, because you know, New York
Speaker 3: is like impossible to get a gun in and here's
Speaker 3: a guy shooting in an apartment out the window, you know.
Speaker 3: So the cops come, and of course he's a he's
Speaker 3: a judge. Everything gets pushed shoved under the rug. Nobody
Speaker 3: knows anything about it. And her father got her gun.
Speaker 3: Her father got her gun permit as well, and he
Speaker 3: told her to get a dog and take the dog
Speaker 3: everywhere she goes with her. This way she doesn't have
Speaker 3: to walk at night by herself, you know. And so
Speaker 3: I'm hearing these stories and it's just like all this
Speaker 3: stuff is going on, and I'm like, I said, I'm
Speaker 3: delivering this route for a year, and I'm walking back
Speaker 3: from the very lest the very less condo build them
Speaker 3: when I finished that. When I finished that delivery, I
Speaker 3: never walked back the street, and I always took the aqueduct.
Speaker 3: And then at one point something changed, like the energy
Speaker 3: changed on the aqueduct and they got really like dark.
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know what, this is not a
Speaker 3: good idea to do anymore. You know, like that little
Speaker 3: voice in my head said, you know what you should
Speaker 3: do now? You should drive to these buildings where your
Speaker 3: car and deliver the bail out of your car. This way,
Speaker 3: you all you have to do is jumping you park
Speaker 3: in the parking lot and jumping the car and you
Speaker 3: so you don't have to take the aqueduct anymore. And
Speaker 3: once because even though it was a short route like
Speaker 3: distance wise, it had so many buildings and it got
Speaker 3: so much mail that you would be out there for
Speaker 3: like eight hours just delivering packages and mail and stuff.
Speaker 3: So you know, in the winter time, if I'm getting
Speaker 3: done five six o'clock at night, it's pitch black, you know,
Speaker 3: And I'm like yeah, not walking that aqueduct and pitch black,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So I started working out
Speaker 3: of my car and that was just you know, like
Speaker 3: I said, and that was a creepy thing. And I
Speaker 3: called my brother and I said, dude, you're not gonna
Speaker 3: believe what I see. You know, I can't. And I
Speaker 3: described it as the green Goblin. It's like, please, don't
Speaker 3: ever tell anybody the green Goblin. They gotta think you're
Speaker 3: an idiot, you know. He said, if anything sounds like
Speaker 3: a hybrid between a reptilian and insectoid creature, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, look, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: hell it was. It definitely was not a chuope of cabra,
Speaker 3: you know. And I don't really believe that it's alien
Speaker 3: from outer space. I think it's something that lives in
Speaker 3: caves and lives here. You know. It may have came
Speaker 3: from a different dimension or a different you know, universe
Speaker 3: at one point, but now it's definitely here, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, one of the common themes with even encryptid creatures
Speaker 1: possibly extraterrestrials, unknown species of beings that have this common
Speaker 1: ability to be able to phase in and out of
Speaker 1: our reality or alter our perception to where we can't
Speaker 1: see them or be able to take on this cloaking
Speaker 1: effect of some sort. This happens with I've hear of
Speaker 1: Bigfoot doing this, extra terrestrials, other cryptid beings, and even
Speaker 1: the dog man creatures. What other types of creatures have
Speaker 1: you encountered that are similar to that?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I mean I've I've had plenty of Bigfoot experiences.
Speaker 3: I've had a dog man come to my house, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean and kind of just tell me, like,
Speaker 3: you know, you know where I live? Now, I know
Speaker 3: where you live, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I would love to hear the dog man story because
Speaker 1: I've been interviewing a lot of witnesses for this. I'm
Speaker 1: in the middle of making a docu series that focuses
Speaker 1: on a lot of cryptid encounters in South Louis So
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear you encounter with this this creature.
Speaker 3: Okay, just quick, Mike. My theory on this invisibility cloak
Speaker 3: or whatever they do. Yeah, my theory is they're able
Speaker 3: to change the spectrum of light they're in so we
Speaker 3: can't see him. I don't think they disappear, I don't
Speaker 3: think they go I mean they are invisible thoughts because
Speaker 3: we can't see them in whatever spectrum of light they're in.
Speaker 3: They would they raise their frequency or their vibration and
Speaker 3: they change the spectrum of light. I still think they're there,
Speaker 3: we just don't see them. Like with the green Goblin creature,
Speaker 3: I didn't see it, but I felt its energy, I
Speaker 3: felt its intention. You know, ive seen it. I felt
Speaker 3: like it was sizzing me up, you know, so I
Speaker 3: knew it was there. And uh, And I believe the
Speaker 3: same thing with the Bigfoots and the dog Man two.
Speaker 3: I think they have the ability to raise their frequency
Speaker 3: or vibration and change the spectrum of light they're in.
Speaker 3: I even think they're able to go in and out
Speaker 3: of different dimensions through different kind of portals stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But as far as the dog Man goes, we were
Speaker 3: on a we were on an investigation. Uh And I'll
Speaker 3: cut to the chase because it's a long story. But
Speaker 3: we were bluff charged. We were up on a high
Speaker 3: ridge overlooking a swamp to our east and a lake
Speaker 3: to our west, and we were up there just you know,
Speaker 3: it was a hollowy.
Speaker 1: And it was approximate location. Was this what approximate location.
Speaker 3: New York, New York, New York. Yeah, we're in New
Speaker 3: York and it's Hollows Eve. There's a full moon, there's
Speaker 3: a meteor shower, and we're in a place of igh strangeness.
Speaker 3: And so we we actually when we we we we
Speaker 3: captured some Morse codes coming out of the sky through
Speaker 3: a parabolic mic. We had all kinds of stuff happened
Speaker 3: paranormally after we did a couple of different ridguals that
Speaker 3: we do. But at one point we heard a sasquatch
Speaker 3: walk over to us. It wooped three times. We didn't
Speaker 3: we didn't know what. We thought that maybe it was
Speaker 3: telling other sasquatches in the area that there was three
Speaker 3: of us, That's why wooled three times. But I mean,
Speaker 3: the power of this woop it was had to be
Speaker 3: easily one hundred one hundred feet away, maybe a hundred
Speaker 3: fifty feet and the wolves just go right through you
Speaker 3: and the ground shakes, and you know, the guys I
Speaker 3: were with never experienced it before, but I knew what
Speaker 3: I was dealing with. And so we got at one
Speaker 3: point this this bigfoot throws a rock the size of
Speaker 3: a bowling ball up over the top of the trees.
Speaker 3: Now just think of the trees are sixty feet long. Hi,
Speaker 3: We're on a ridge. It's like another thirty feet high.
Speaker 3: And it throws this giant boulder over the top of
Speaker 3: the trees. It comes down and lands right in between
Speaker 3: the three of us, the three of us sitting and
Speaker 3: you know, in a circle, a semi circle, and it
Speaker 3: rolls down and it hits by one of my guys,
Speaker 3: my partner, Brian's chair, and Brian's like, we should probably
Speaker 3: leave now, you know, And I was like, no, not
Speaker 3: ready to leave. Bill wanted to leave after the woops.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, I'm not ready to leave. I
Speaker 3: feel like there's more to come. So we're sitting there,
Speaker 3: not that we knew that if there was anything in
Speaker 3: the swamp, because we didn't know about this, you know,
Speaker 3: because we weren't there for the swamp. But we found Originally,
Speaker 3: I found three giant quartz crystal boys set up in
Speaker 3: a pyramid shape, and the one on the top had
Speaker 3: almost like it was chiseled out, look like a face.
Speaker 3: So I said, this is going to be our location
Speaker 3: number one when we come on Halloween. And then we
Speaker 3: had two other locations picked out. We'll work our way
Speaker 3: back to the car. So anyway, we were there for
Speaker 3: like more paranormal than anything else. But I knew there
Speaker 3: were bigfoots in the area because I had reports and
Speaker 3: I've talked to locals in the area that we're at
Speaker 3: run out of the woods, you know, like hunting, the
Speaker 3: raccoon hunting and stuff like that. Coon hunting, they ran
Speaker 3: out of the woods by bigfoots. So anyway, we get
Speaker 3: the rock thrown at us. Brian's ready to leave, Bill's
Speaker 3: ready to leave. I'm not ready to leave yet. And
Speaker 3: we're sitting there and there's a stone wall behind us,
Speaker 3: like a three foot high stone wall behind us. And
Speaker 3: these walls run all over the place here in the Northeast, Okay,
Speaker 3: and nobody knows who we actually made them. They call them,
Speaker 3: they call them markers, like property markers. But I'm not
Speaker 3: buying it. And so we're sitting there and we're talking
Speaker 3: amongst ourselves, and my camera got Bill is sitting next
Speaker 3: with his back to the wall, and we got three
Speaker 3: four different cameras pointed in each direction trying to kick
Speaker 3: up anything that comes near us, because we're hearing stuff
Speaker 3: all night long, but we're not seeing anything on any
Speaker 3: of the cameras. All of a sudden, we hear it
Speaker 3: sounds like a quadruped running up the ridge for the
Speaker 3: boom boom, and it's coming, man, it's coming, right. So
Speaker 3: I jump up, Brian jumps up, Bill jumps up, and
Speaker 3: Bill starts to run past me. And I'm focused on
Speaker 3: where the sound is coming from. I'm not taking my
Speaker 3: eyes off the sound. And as Bill gets to me,
Speaker 3: I reach out with my left hand and I just
Speaker 3: stop him dead and I spin him around and I say,
Speaker 3: stand your ground. We don't know what we're dealing with here. Honestly,
Speaker 3: I thought it was either a black bear charging us
Speaker 3: or a mountain lion. That's what I thought it was.
Speaker 3: And as I spin him around and says stand your ground,
Speaker 3: Brian and Bill are a little bit further behind me, said,
Speaker 3: they pull out their machetes. What we have on us
Speaker 3: are pepper spray, ten inch survival knives, eighteen inch machetes.
Speaker 3: They're able to pull out their machetes because they're in
Speaker 3: a more opened area. I'm closest to the wall in
Speaker 3: his tree lined so I pull out my survival knife
Speaker 3: because I don't have room to maneuver a machete, and
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, man, when this mountain lion hits this wall,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I have to sacrifice my left arm and
Speaker 3: kill it with my survival knife. You know, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm thinking is going to happen. Because I don't know
Speaker 3: what's coming up this ridge. I can't see it. I
Speaker 3: can only hear it. So the sound of this charging
Speaker 3: quadruped gets right up in front of us Anioza and
Speaker 3: stops dead. Now we're all standing You could have heard
Speaker 3: a pin drop in the woods that night. And we're
Speaker 3: standing there listening, and I have this little sawny camera
Speaker 3: hanging around my neck, digital camera, and I take one
Speaker 3: picture where I feel it stopped, okay, and then I
Speaker 3: say to the guys, let's go over the wall. Get
Speaker 3: our camera, see what's on the side of the wall.
Speaker 3: So we jump over the wall with all our cameras.
Speaker 3: We point them every which direction. We never heard anything leave,
Speaker 3: We never heard anything jump off the ridge, we never
Speaker 3: heard anything run back down the ridge. Just it was
Speaker 3: just dead, silent. I didn't see anything on my little
Speaker 3: camera because the back of it so small, I couldn't
Speaker 3: see anything in the pitch black anyway, And so Bill go,
Speaker 3: we jump over the wall. Bill's got a fifteen hundred luma.
Speaker 3: We light up the woods like it's daytime, and there's
Speaker 3: nothing there. Okay. A couple of months later, I'm being
Speaker 3: drawn back to the woods, not so much the ridge
Speaker 3: that we were on, but the swamp below it. I
Speaker 3: don't know why I'm being drawn back to the swamp,
Speaker 3: but I'm being drawn back to the swamp. So I
Speaker 3: called Bill and I called Brian. I said, listen, I'm
Speaker 3: going If you guys don't want to come, I understand
Speaker 3: because you know, probably all could have died that night.
Speaker 3: You know. At this point, we had put up all
Speaker 3: our stuff raw on our site, our website, and a
Speaker 3: guy calls me up from California and he says, you
Speaker 3: know that one photo you took up on the ridge
Speaker 3: and I'm like yeah. He goes, there's a dog man
Speaker 3: on that photo. I'm like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3: And we looked at that photo many times. We didn't
Speaker 3: see anything, you know, and we do our evidence reduce you.
Speaker 3: We use like a sixty in screen TV, you know,
Speaker 3: and there's like six of us. Everybody's looking and we
Speaker 3: didn't see it. So I thought I said, send it
Speaker 3: to me. I thought the guy at photoshopped to be
Speaker 3: honest with you, you know, he sends it to me,
Speaker 3: and there it is. You can see eyes and nose, ears,
Speaker 3: and you can see something peeking over the stone wall,
Speaker 3: like sniffing us, you know. So then I get Mike,
Speaker 3: I go to my camera, I pull up the SD
Speaker 3: card I thrown in the computer, and sure shit, there
Speaker 3: it is. And I don't know how we've never seen it, right,
Speaker 3: So I was like, Okay, that sasquatch was trying to
Speaker 3: get us out of there because we were in a
Speaker 3: we were in danger because we were in a dog
Speaker 3: man area. And that's what that sasquatch was trying to do,
Speaker 3: trying to get us to leave. But I was so
Speaker 3: stubborn I wouldn't leave that night, you know. So now
Speaker 3: I see this dog man picture and I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm being drawn back to the swamp, being drawn back
Speaker 3: to something. Go back to the swamp. As we're getting
Speaker 3: closer to the swamp, I'm getting hit with it. For sounds.
Speaker 3: I'm one hundred yards away from the swamp, and I
Speaker 3: feel like I'm overheating, I feel nauseous, I feel like
Speaker 3: something is trying to stop me from getting to the swamp.
Speaker 3: But on the same hand, something is pulling me there.
Speaker 3: So Bill was like, let's go back, let's turn around.
Speaker 3: I said, turn around. It's a dude, I can see
Speaker 3: it from here. There's no way I'm turning around. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not stopping now. Brian's pouring water over my head
Speaker 3: and he's giving me like oranges to eat and everything,
Speaker 3: try to get me hydrated again because it was like
Speaker 3: one hundred degree day that day. And so I'm twenty
Speaker 3: minutes later, go by. I feel fine. We get back
Speaker 3: to the swamp. Three experienced investigators were looking around. We
Speaker 3: don't see nothing, and I'm like, man, I know there's
Speaker 3: something here because something drew me here and we're not seeing.
Speaker 3: It's like we got blinders on. We can't see anything.
Speaker 3: Then a little voice in my head goes off and says,
Speaker 3: jump on this giant rock in front of you. Jump
Speaker 3: on the rock, and they says, get you a walking stick.
Speaker 3: Move these cat tails, fifteen foot cat tails, and there
Speaker 3: right in front of me is a trackway into the swamp.
Speaker 3: It's like, called Brian up. It called Bill up. Everybody's
Speaker 3: looking in Oh my god, Bill wants to go into
Speaker 3: the swamp. He steps into the swamp, he sinks down
Speaker 3: to his knees. We got to pull him out, so
Speaker 3: we move the cat tails and we're filming. Bill zooms
Speaker 3: in and in the center of the swamp is a
Speaker 3: dog man den and in the den is this giant
Speaker 3: canine looking German wolf head facing west. Right next to
Speaker 3: that creature is a hyghena looking creature snarling at us
Speaker 3: like it's pissed. We found it's lare you know?
Speaker 2: And these are bipedal? Or are they one?
Speaker 3: Now they're all they're bipedal. They're bipedal. So we're freaking
Speaker 3: out because now the one that's snarling at us looks
Speaker 3: like the one that bluff charged us that night in
Speaker 3: the photograph. Okay, so now all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: blinders are off and we're finding exits and arches and
Speaker 3: brakes and bends and twists. We're finding scat. We found
Speaker 3: something that looked like a homemade corral that where these
Speaker 3: creatures would chase dear into and then ambush them. It
Speaker 3: was crazy, and I was little vice in my head
Speaker 3: said go to the north end of the swamp. And
Speaker 3: as I was on a ridge, a high ridge. Walking
Speaker 3: towards the north end of the swamp, I seen the
Speaker 3: trackway come out of the back of the swamp and
Speaker 3: walk straight down to the center of the swamp to
Speaker 3: the north side. So we found all this stuff and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, well it was a dog man
Speaker 3: that bluffed us. We found a dog man. Den. We
Speaker 3: go back to Bill's house and we're looking at the
Speaker 3: evidence on his sixteen screen TV and Bill notices in
Speaker 3: the den with the two man looks like the creature
Speaker 3: from the Black Lagoon. Is it a reptilian? What is it?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? But it's definitely definitely alien ish,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, definitely look at reptilian. So
Speaker 3: Bill's mom comes in with coffee and cake, you know,
Speaker 3: the guys want coffee and cake. And I'm like yeah,
Speaker 3: and she says, oh, what are the two little monkeys
Speaker 3: doing in the in the den? And're like, what monkeys?
Speaker 3: She goes right here, this the green creature's got him
Speaker 3: by there and this thing that looked like the creature
Speaker 3: from the Black Lagoon is holding two little monkeys' hands
Speaker 3: look like baby sasquatches, And we we're just freaking out
Speaker 3: right like, we can't believe that all the stuff that's
Speaker 3: popping up. Okay, so we go back. So now we're
Speaker 3: going definitely going to go back and investigate that again
Speaker 3: at some point. Right that fall was a warm night.
Speaker 3: It was it was like September night was September, late September,
Speaker 3: early October. There's a warm night. And I gotta be
Speaker 3: honest with you. I grew up in the city. I
Speaker 3: lived on the first floor. You don't sleep with your
Speaker 3: windows open in the city. Someone will come in if
Speaker 3: you sleep with the windows open. Right, I live up
Speaker 3: in the country. Now my bedroom's on the first floor,
Speaker 3: and I got the window open, even though every fiber
Speaker 3: of my being is telling me do not sleep with
Speaker 3: the window open. Right that particular night, it was so warm.
Speaker 3: We didn't have the air conditions in the window. The
Speaker 3: fans were still down in the basement, all, you know,
Speaker 3: sealed up for the winter and everything. So I left
Speaker 3: the window open, and my little cat is sleeping in
Speaker 3: between my wife and I, and like around three o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning, I pop up. I feel like something
Speaker 3: is on the other side of the wall. So I
Speaker 3: reach over to the wall and I'm feeling the wall
Speaker 3: like the energy coming through the wall. And I don't
Speaker 3: know why I do this, but I do it all
Speaker 3: the time, right, and I'm touching the wall, and the
Speaker 3: energy does not feel sasquatches. I've had sasquatch come through
Speaker 3: my yards many time leave me gifts, but this doesn't
Speaker 3: feel like a sasquatch. All of a sudden, the cat
Speaker 3: catches a whiff or something. She jumps straight up in
Speaker 3: the air, runs up stairs, and hides under the kid's bed.
Speaker 3: So now I'm looking out the window. I got my
Speaker 3: face right up against the screen, and I'm looking out
Speaker 3: the window and I can't see Jack in my backyard.
Speaker 3: It's pitch black, and I'm listening and I'm looking, and
Speaker 3: I hear something go like sniff me. And I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: I stepped away from the window, closed the window. I
Speaker 3: locked it. I keep a pistol gripped twelve gay shotgun
Speaker 3: by my bed. It's right in between all my guitars, right,
Speaker 3: So I grab the shotgun and I start to walk
Speaker 3: out the living the bedroom, through the living room into
Speaker 3: the kitchen so I could put the sense of lights
Speaker 3: in the yard to see what's out there. As I'm
Speaker 3: walking in the living room. I hit that little voice
Speaker 3: in my head and say, stop. You don't want to
Speaker 3: see what's out there. You don't want to open you
Speaker 3: don't want to turn that light on. All you want
Speaker 3: to do is go to bed, Go back to bed,
Speaker 3: go back to sleep. Now I don't know if this
Speaker 3: is the creature telling me to do this, or if
Speaker 3: this is my guardian angel warning me that you know
Speaker 3: you don't want to open that you don't want to
Speaker 3: turn that light on. So I do something that's totally
Speaker 3: out of my out of my fib every fiber of
Speaker 3: my being. I go back to bed, I put the
Speaker 3: gun away, and I go to sleep. And I wake
Speaker 3: up the next morning and I go to work, and
Speaker 3: I call my partner during the day when I take
Speaker 3: my lunch, I tell them what's going on. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: you got to go back. You got to look for
Speaker 3: footprints underneath the window, you know. And we had just
Speaker 3: ran new water lines from the well to the house,
Speaker 3: so there was a part of the yard didn't have
Speaker 3: any grass on. It was just like top soil and stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, dirt. So when I went home that night,
Speaker 3: I went in the backyard and I looked and there
Speaker 3: underneath the bedroom window was a claw mark, like three
Speaker 3: claw marks under my bedroom Like, yeah, I was hair
Speaker 3: last night, you know. So I was like, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So I said, you're going to come to my house.
Speaker 3: I'm going to come to your house, you know. And
Speaker 3: so we again went back and we did more investigation
Speaker 3: in the den area, you know, not so much. We
Speaker 3: wanted to get a drone and fly it into the den,
Speaker 3: but we never did that. But we did more investigating
Speaker 3: in the den, in the in the den area. Din's
Speaker 3: took more video of the den. This time. It was
Speaker 3: in the winter time, so the den wasn't quite as covered,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, all the vines and everything
Speaker 3: that this thing had pulled over to make like a
Speaker 3: canopy kind of thing. We're dead. So you could see
Speaker 3: into the den, and we couldn't see anything into the
Speaker 3: den on the camera because we zoomed right in owl.
Speaker 3: And so I said, Okay, maybe it's not living here anymore,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it's moved on to a different location. Okay.
Speaker 3: A few nights later, again I go, I'm sleeping. I
Speaker 3: get up four thirty in the morning to go to work.
Speaker 3: First thing I do is I open up the sliding
Speaker 3: door in the backyard to the patio feed an outside cat.
Speaker 3: I got a little cat lives in the doghouse outside
Speaker 3: named Cali Feed Cali. Close everything. I got like three
Speaker 3: different locks on my doors because I'm from the city,
Speaker 3: you know, So I make sure everything is locked up
Speaker 3: nice and tight, because I know how easy it is
Speaker 3: to pop one of those sliding glass doors off the track,
Speaker 3: you know, if they're not bolted in in three different directions.
Speaker 3: So I got everything locked up that particular morning. I
Speaker 3: think we were supposed to get snow that night or something,
Speaker 3: and all the cars were in the driveway. My car
Speaker 3: was the closest to the road, and then there were
Speaker 3: three other cars behind mine, my son's, my daughter's, my wife's.
Speaker 3: My daughters are the one closest to the garage. So anyway,
Speaker 3: as I'm walking back, as I'm walking out that morning
Speaker 3: to start the car to warm it up, I feel
Speaker 3: like something is watching me. So I turn around and
Speaker 3: I'm looking. I don't see anything in my ear I
Speaker 3: don't see any of my neighbor's yards. I can't see
Speaker 3: anything under the front deck because the sense of lights
Speaker 3: are on, they're blinding me. And under the deck, it's
Speaker 3: pitch black to start the car up. So now every
Speaker 3: morning when I walk out, I'm carrying a can of
Speaker 3: pepper spray and a little four inch knife pocket knife,
Speaker 3: because we've had dogs run through the neighborhood tearing up garbages,
Speaker 3: and I don't want to get mouled by a dog
Speaker 3: pack of dogs, wild dogs. So I'm carrying something that
Speaker 3: is going to help me survive that an attack. So
Speaker 3: as I'm walking back to my front door, I feel
Speaker 3: like there's something underneath the front deck looking at me.
Speaker 3: So I start walking towards the front door. Now the
Speaker 3: sense of lights is on. They're blinding me. I'm like, man,
Speaker 3: I can't see. I'm getting closer, and I'm getting closer.
Speaker 3: As I'm getting closer, I'm hearing a little voice say,
Speaker 3: maybe you should stop right about here. You know. It
Speaker 3: was like maybe a car and a half length away
Speaker 3: from the deck, and a little voice said maybe you
Speaker 3: should stop right about here. And I didn't stop. I
Speaker 3: flicked open the night because I'm the type of guy.
Speaker 3: If there's somebody trying to break into my house, there's
Speaker 3: some homeless guy hanging around under my deck, I'm going
Speaker 3: to take care of him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They're not going to be there for very long, you know.
Speaker 3: And so as I'm getting closer, I'm about halfway past
Speaker 3: my daughter's car, half a light just past the front
Speaker 3: door with a sect the back door starts when I
Speaker 3: notice a giant A nine head looking at me. And
Speaker 3: now I'm really focusing in, you know, and I'm looking
Speaker 3: and I'm blocking out the light. I'm practically underneath the spotlight,
Speaker 3: so it's not my eyes. And I'm looking and I
Speaker 3: see this giant canine head and it's hunched over and
Speaker 3: it's got almost like a lions of mean coming down
Speaker 3: its chest and over its shoulders. And the little voice
Speaker 3: in my head said, maybe you should back out of
Speaker 3: here carefully, you know, because you know, and I know
Speaker 3: it's underneath this deck and this is not going to
Speaker 3: end well for you, right this thing, if it wanted to,
Speaker 3: it could have reached out and just shredded me, you know.
Speaker 3: So I backed out. I backed down. Now the thoughts
Speaker 3: are going through my head. Do I wake up my
Speaker 3: son and my son in law. I got arsenal of
Speaker 3: guns in the house, big caliber guns. Do I go
Speaker 3: to war with this thing? Do I? Do? I? Blow
Speaker 3: up the garage door and everything, you know, go to
Speaker 3: war with this thing, And I say, no, I've heard
Speaker 3: too many stories where people go to war with these
Speaker 3: things and it ends bad for them. So I'm not
Speaker 3: going to tell anybody anything, and I'm just going to
Speaker 3: go to work and make believe nothing happened. As I'm
Speaker 3: leaving to go to work, I take my tactical flesh
Speaker 3: light out with me because I want to skin eyes
Speaker 3: on what's under the deck. So I hit the tactical
Speaker 3: flesh light and it's really like, you know, a thousand littlemits,
Speaker 3: really bright, so over it goes right through the sense
Speaker 3: of lights and I could see everything light up. And
Speaker 3: there's nothing under the bat under the front deck anymore.
Speaker 3: But I know there was something under there, so I
Speaker 3: go there and look, and I had just built a
Speaker 3: new retaining wall to hold the deck up, and this
Speaker 3: thing pissed all over my brand new retaining wall and
Speaker 3: down into my gutter for the driveway, you know, the
Speaker 3: drain for the driveway, And it was smelt like pneumonia
Speaker 3: and it was greasy and it was slick looking, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I was pissed. I was like, I
Speaker 3: just built this retaining wall and it pissed all over
Speaker 3: my wall in it it's marking, it's territory. No, this
Speaker 3: is not this is not gonna happen. Now, I'm going
Speaker 3: to go back to your house and piss on your house. Right,
Speaker 3: this is what's going through my head. You're not going
Speaker 3: to come to my house and piss on my shit.
Speaker 3: And I go to work and again I called my
Speaker 3: partner Brian up at lunchtime and I tell him what happened,
Speaker 3: and he's like, no. I go to work and I
Speaker 3: get to work early, and I'm having coffee, I'm reading
Speaker 3: the paper, and my wife, Oh, while i'm as I'm
Speaker 3: walking towards the deck, callie, this little like seven pound cat.
Speaker 3: It's coming around the front to use my wife's garden
Speaker 3: as a bathroom, right, And she must have seen what
Speaker 3: was under the deck, because she did like a halloween cat.
Speaker 3: She jumped straight up in the air and she ran
Speaker 3: off into the woods. And she this seven pound cat
Speaker 3: sound like a freight train running through the woods, right,
Speaker 3: which definitely stopped me in my track. I knew there
Speaker 3: was something there. So now I'm at work, I'm down
Speaker 3: in the lunchroom, I having my coffee and reading my paper,
Speaker 3: unwinding from the ride because it's like an hour and
Speaker 3: fifteen minute ride for me to get to work. So
Speaker 3: I'm unwinding from the ride and my wife calls me
Speaker 3: up and she's hysterical, and I'm like, what's wrong, And
Speaker 3: she's like, I went in the kitchen this morning to
Speaker 3: open up the sliding lord to feed Cali, and the
Speaker 3: whole door came off the frame and almost crushed me.
Speaker 3: If my son wasn't in the kitchen with her and
Speaker 3: caught it, it would have crushed my wife. And I
Speaker 3: was like, first of all, why are you feeding the cat?
Speaker 3: I fed the cat at for thirty in the morning.
Speaker 3: You don't have to feed it again at seven, you know.
Speaker 3: And I said, just have my son Nickers, Just have
Speaker 3: Nick put the door back up, lock everything up. I'm
Speaker 3: off tomorrow. I'll take it off. I'll retract the whole thing,
Speaker 3: you know. And so while I was underneath the deck
Speaker 3: looking at it pissed off of my wall. It must
Speaker 3: have been trying to pop the door, the sliding gliss
Speaker 3: or off of his tracks on the patio on the back,
Speaker 3: like kind of showing me this is how easy it
Speaker 3: is to get in there if I want to get
Speaker 3: in you know, and that that kind of At that point,
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, you know what, maybe we're just
Speaker 3: gonna You're gonna. I went back to the den area
Speaker 3: and I just spoke out loud and I said, Okay,
Speaker 3: I got the message. I won't come to your house anymore,
Speaker 3: but you don't come to mind either. And uh, from
Speaker 3: that point on, I haven't had any experiences with the
Speaker 3: dog Man around the house. But Saturday Sunday, I was
Speaker 3: cutting grass and I did find a K nine track
Speaker 3: in the backyard. You know, I wasn't able to cast it,
Speaker 3: I mean to measure it because I just had too
Speaker 3: much work to do. I had to get ship done
Speaker 3: because it was going to rain the next three days.
Speaker 3: So then I was gonna I was gonna measure it yesterday,
Speaker 3: but well, you had storms last two days. And when
Speaker 3: I went out to measure it, I took photographs of it,
Speaker 3: and I sent it to my friends, you know, because
Speaker 3: you know, we're the New York State dog Man Project
Speaker 3: and we're also the North American dog Man Project. New
Speaker 3: York State chapter directors me and my partner Brian, so
Speaker 3: I sent it to the guys at the dog Man Project,
Speaker 3: and I said, what do you guys think? And they're like,
Speaker 3: did you measure it? You go measure it. So I
Speaker 3: went out to measure it yesterday. But it's on the water,
Speaker 3: you know, and we've been getting storms every day, so
Speaker 3: I don't even know if it's going to be there
Speaker 3: when all the storms eventually passed. But that's the dog
Speaker 3: Man story at the house. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there may be authorities or some
Speaker 1: sort of officials that are aware that these creatures exist
Speaker 1: and they have instructions to keep it silent for some
Speaker 1: reason or cover it up somehow.
Speaker 3: Yes, there was an incident with me, and I'll talk
Speaker 3: about it too often, but I was ran out of
Speaker 3: the woods by but who I called the men in black? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they weren't. They weren't actually men in black, but they
Speaker 3: is on my way home from work one day and
Speaker 3: it's a long ride, you know, and I'm just I
Speaker 3: don't speed. I'm not a speeder, I'm a cruiser. I'm
Speaker 3: in the right lane. Do it sixty five? Listening to
Speaker 3: Leonard Skinner's just chilling out riding home and a police
Speaker 3: car falls out of the sky behind me and it's
Speaker 3: following me, and it's following me, and I'm like, all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the lights go on and they tell
Speaker 3: me to pull over. Now where they had me pull
Speaker 3: over was an old abandoned ski resort and right now
Speaker 3: there's nothing there but New York State Police outpost, you know,
Speaker 3: but there's never anybody there. But they're using it for construction.
Speaker 3: So they got these giant piles of dirt all over
Speaker 3: this giant parking lot. Parking lot is umongous, you know.
Speaker 3: And they pull up and they say, go behind that
Speaker 3: pile of dirt. And I'm like, this is not good, right,
Speaker 3: So I pulled behind a pile of dirt and they're
Speaker 3: talking to me through their microphones right there, and they're saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: leave your seatbelt on, roll down both windows, and take
Speaker 3: the keys out of cognition and throw them on the
Speaker 3: floor in a passenger side. Okay. Now, now to me,
Speaker 3: it's starting to feel like a hit. I feel like
Speaker 3: I'm getting whacked, you know. I'm like, what's going on?
Speaker 3: These two big dudes, and they would like look like
Speaker 3: Arnold Schwarzenegger came out of this police car. Their badges
Speaker 3: didn't match the car and there there. The one guy
Speaker 3: pulls out this little black book and he grew, this
Speaker 3: is this you, and then he goes through like my
Speaker 3: whole life story, you know, and I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's me, and he like a stay at our woods.
Speaker 3: You may think you know what's in our woods now.
Speaker 3: At this time, I was in the middle of a
Speaker 3: dog man investigation at a different location. It was like
Speaker 3: a different location that had a lot of dog man
Speaker 3: stuff going on, and I was there when my team
Speaker 3: doing a lot of investigating. Not that I seen anybody
Speaker 3: else in the woods when we were there, but they
Speaker 3: knew I was there. And then they're like, stay out
Speaker 3: of our woods. And I got these two monsters on
Speaker 3: either side of me, and I'm thinking, oh man, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna get whacked. They're gonna whack me, throw the gun
Speaker 3: in the car and said I committed suicide, you know,
Speaker 3: and then they're threatening me with all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 3: like you know, it would be a shame if you
Speaker 3: lost your pension so close to retirement, and even stuff,
Speaker 3: even stuff that hells to that. And I'm not even
Speaker 3: going to say what they said on air. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you off air, but not on air. I mean crazy,
Speaker 3: crazy stuff, right, and they're screaming at me from both ends,
Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, I go, wait a minute, says show
Speaker 3: me some ID. You know. You showed me a bitch.
Speaker 3: But that's nothing, you know. I you know, anybody could
Speaker 3: have a bitch because you want to see my idea.
Speaker 3: You want see the ID, you know. And he showed
Speaker 3: me his gun because this is my ID. And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that's that's a good idea. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: recognized that one, you know, absolutely, yeah, I get it,
Speaker 3: you know. And so then one guy starts screaming at
Speaker 3: me and tell your e FN partner that to stay
Speaker 3: out of the woods as well. And I was like, well, listen,
Speaker 3: my partner is a grown man and he thinks for himself,
Speaker 3: and he's going to do whatever he wants to do.
Speaker 3: I will relay the message, but you know, don't blame
Speaker 3: me if he doesn't say out of the woods. And
Speaker 3: he goes, well, my partner happened to live in the
Speaker 3: Bronx in New York City, and he said, well, it
Speaker 3: would be a shame if we had to kick his
Speaker 3: door down at three o'clock in the morning and arrestle
Speaker 3: for being a domestic terrorist. Now, he say, no, no,
Speaker 3: there's no wonder what kind of guns will find in
Speaker 3: his apartment. And I know my partner, My partner doesn't
Speaker 3: have any guns. He can't get up and you can't
Speaker 3: get a gun in New York City. It's impossible, you know.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I was like, okay, I'll pass
Speaker 3: the message along, you know. And I told my partner
Speaker 3: and he was like, well, you know, he ended up
Speaker 3: buying a two way camera for his car in case
Speaker 3: they ever pulled them over. But you know, he kind
Speaker 3: of stayed out of the woods, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: kept me out of the woods for two years, you know.
Speaker 3: But we used to do two monthly meetings, one down
Speaker 3: in Westchester, which was the Broxville Paranormal Society. Evidence review
Speaker 3: stuff we did at a library, and we would invite
Speaker 3: friends of ours to come and look at our evidence,
Speaker 3: you know, fresh eyes, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 3: see if we're missing anything. Because apparently we missed a
Speaker 3: bigfoot looking at us one time too from underneath the tree.
Speaker 3: Somebody sent me a picture saying, you know, there was
Speaker 3: a big foot under the street looking at you. And
Speaker 3: again they sent me the photographs and I thought it
Speaker 3: was I thought it was photoshopped, and again I pulled
Speaker 3: the FD card out and sure as shit, it was
Speaker 3: there watching us. And I think it was the same
Speaker 3: one that through the rock us at US that night.
Speaker 3: I think it was just sticking around, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, to keep an eye on us, and sure
Speaker 3: shit it was there. Was mind boggling. So and then
Speaker 3: we did another one up here by me where we
Speaker 3: would do a UFO thing, you know, we would have
Speaker 3: people come and be and we talked basically UFOs, but
Speaker 3: we talked about everything ghost and you know, Cryptis as well.
Speaker 3: You know. So the guy, one of the guys, says
Speaker 3: to me, oh, you know, we always felt like we
Speaker 3: had people coming in to the to the meeting up
Speaker 3: state at the So we held it at a restaurant
Speaker 3: and we felt like we every now and then we
Speaker 3: would get like these government guys come in. I would say,
Speaker 3: I point some guy out Barnabrian go, yeah, absolutely, he's
Speaker 3: definitely a FED you know. And so the one guy
Speaker 3: says to me, he says, uh, oh, by the way,
Speaker 3: what are you guys going to discuss Thursday night at
Speaker 3: the meeting? And I started laughing, you know, I'm like, well, well,
Speaker 3: it's UFOs, you know. And he says, yeah, he goes
Speaker 3: stick stick with shit that nobody gives a shit about.
Speaker 3: He saysn't stay out of our woods. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna stick with UFOs. I told them I amometer
Speaker 3: and raised no flu We're gonna talk to UFOs, you know.
Speaker 3: And and we and then we had our regular UFO
Speaker 3: meeting that Thursday night, and we didn't see any people
Speaker 3: come in that look suspicious, you know, So we don't
Speaker 3: know if they were there that night or if they
Speaker 3: were sitting outside listening with a microphone or whatever, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, a parabolic mic or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it was crazy. But I mean kept me out of
Speaker 3: the woods for two years because it was. When I
Speaker 3: tell you the shit they told me off air, it'll
Speaker 3: freak you out because they freaked me out, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Yeah, these guys, these guys were not joking.
Speaker 3: They were not playing by any stretching you imagine they were.
Speaker 3: They looked like special ops. The badges didn't the cars
Speaker 3: they didn't look like cops, the state cops, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. They were driving park police cars, but
Speaker 3: but the badges were like state police badges, and it
Speaker 3: didn't match, Like State police drive black, blue and gold
Speaker 3: cars here in New York and the park police drive
Speaker 3: white and green, so, you know, and they have different uniforms,
Speaker 3: they have different badges. I looked it up to see
Speaker 3: what the badges looked like, and the badges they showed
Speaker 3: me were state badges, not park badges, you know, but
Speaker 3: they would driving. I think they just went to like
Speaker 3: either the State Police headquarters, pulled two badges off the
Speaker 3: wall that were retired maybe, and grabbed the first set
Speaker 3: of keys they could find that, you know, it was
Speaker 3: a park police car. And then for like a month,
Speaker 3: every time I passed this location on the way to
Speaker 3: work or on the way home work, a police car
Speaker 3: would drop out of the sky and follow me for
Speaker 3: like a couple of miles. And it didn't matter if
Speaker 3: I went there at four dirty in the morning, five o'clock,
Speaker 3: five dirty, four o'clock, It did no matter how I
Speaker 3: changed it up. Soon as I passed this particular location,
Speaker 3: a police car would drop out of the sky and
Speaker 3: follow me for at least a couple of exits. And
Speaker 3: it was their way to tell me, we're still watching you,
Speaker 3: you know. And I was like dude, I get it
Speaker 3: lot and clear, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's not on me first time.
Speaker 1: I have heard this very thing that clandestine seeming men
Speaker 1: in black type groups are threatening people are following people
Speaker 1: that have had encounters with these dog man creatures, and
Speaker 1: it seems like there are incredibly focused on keeping people
Speaker 1: from finding out anything about what's going on with this.
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of some of the accounts I've
Speaker 1: heard from people in Joshua Tree Nashville Park National Park
Speaker 1: that have also seen these dog man creatures. One of
Speaker 1: them claimed that he hit one with his car and
Speaker 1: within seconds he had these men in black type vehicles
Speaker 1: pull up around him and tell him he didn't see anything,
Speaker 1: that he has to get going and they were going
Speaker 1: to take care of it.
Speaker 2: So that's very interesting, man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just did. We just did Brian and Knights.
Speaker 3: Brian lives in Florida now, but he came up for
Speaker 3: the summer and we just did a dog Man presentation
Speaker 3: in pine Bush, New York, which is the New York
Speaker 3: State UFO capital, but they have a museum and they
Speaker 3: asked me to put a presentation together dog Man presentation,
Speaker 3: and I asked Brian since he was in town if
Speaker 3: he wanted to participate with me. And we just did
Speaker 3: this long presentation. It's like a three hour presentation, and
Speaker 3: I told the audience. I wasn't sure if it was
Speaker 3: going to tell him or not, but at one point
Speaker 3: I told the audience about the code words that they use,
Speaker 3: you know. And and there was two guys in the
Speaker 3: in the in the in the audience that looked like
Speaker 3: narks and they were taking notes. So after the after
Speaker 3: the presentation was over, they happened to be standing by
Speaker 3: my camera that I had set up the film. I
Speaker 3: went over to him and I said, FBI and NSA,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, just jokingly, and they both
Speaker 3: started laughing. They're like, no, no, no, we have a
Speaker 3: podcast and where you know, we follow you guys, and
Speaker 3: you know, we love you guys, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: And then one of them said something to me, goes,
Speaker 3: you know, my uncle is a stage trooper and he's
Speaker 3: been to trooper for a long time, and he goes,
Speaker 3: I asked him about that cod word that you you
Speaker 3: said they use, and he goes, and my uncle didn't
Speaker 3: talk to me for six months. He said, don't ever
Speaker 3: use that around me ever again, he goes. So we goes.
Speaker 3: So when you said that, he goes, you've validated yourself
Speaker 3: so much to me, he said, because if you would
Speaker 3: have used a different code word, I would have known
Speaker 3: you were full of shit, he goes. But because you
Speaker 3: used it, and I had already mentioned it to my uncle,
Speaker 3: who's like, you know, high up in the in the
Speaker 3: state police, and he got mad at me, and he said,
Speaker 3: don't never don't ever talk to me about that ever again,
Speaker 3: and don't never use that code word ever again. He goes.
Speaker 3: I knew, he goes, I knew you were spot on
Speaker 3: from that moment on, he said. I was like, very cool,
Speaker 3: I was, I said, I wasn't really sure if I
Speaker 3: was gonna tell everybody, because you know, I like to
Speaker 3: keep stuff a secret to validate people when they tell me,
Speaker 3: when they give me information, to see if they're full
Speaker 3: of shit or not, you know, And I have some
Speaker 3: things I use I keep in my back pocket to
Speaker 3: validate stuff, and that was one of them. But that
Speaker 3: particular night, I felt strongly about dropping that those code words,
Speaker 3: you know, because I actually asked everybody, it's like, how
Speaker 3: many of you guys listen to police scanners, you don't
Speaker 3: and a lot of because we're up in the country,
Speaker 3: a lot of people listen to police scanners, you know.
Speaker 3: And h and I said, okay, well if you ever
Speaker 3: had these three code words, this means this, this means this,
Speaker 3: and this means this. And they were like, get out
Speaker 3: of here. And I'm like, yeah, I don't think you'd.
Speaker 2: Be able to relay those code words here.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you off there, sure, right right, yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't want to get away all my all my secrets
Speaker 3: and stuff. You know. You know, this is years and
Speaker 3: years and years of research. I just don't want to
Speaker 3: give it away to, you know, people who are armshare
Speaker 3: researchers and claim to be boots on the ground, you know.
Speaker 1: Right on right, Well, we got a few minutes left.
Speaker 1: Let's let's do this. What are your thoughts on what
Speaker 1: these creatures are. Do you think that they're supernatural being
Speaker 1: shape shifters. Are they from different dimensions? Are they just hominids,
Speaker 1: lost humanoids that have been around forever or extra terrestrials?
Speaker 2: What do you think?
Speaker 3: Well, well, we know, we know, we know one thing
Speaker 3: that the dog Man and the Bigfoot both have human
Speaker 3: DNA in them. Okay, so we know that the female,
Speaker 3: the monochondrial DNA is human. The nuclear DNA, the male
Speaker 3: DNA is unknown, so we know they have some kind
Speaker 3: of human trait in them.
Speaker 1: I now, where did you get the DNA information from?
Speaker 3: Oh, Melville? Doctor Melville? Catchum, She she did it. She
Speaker 3: did a DNA study on both. I don't know if
Speaker 3: her dog Man DNA stuff is out yet. I probably
Speaker 3: shouldn't have said anything but her her No, I know
Speaker 3: her Bigfoot stuff is and she's legit. Yeah, she's legit, okay,
Speaker 3: and so uh so, you know, we know that I've
Speaker 3: been to enough symposiums where I've been lucky enough to
Speaker 3: sit world renow in psychics, and whenever I'm sitting at
Speaker 3: a table, would anybody that impressed me? I like to
Speaker 3: pick their brains? And every single one I've asked said
Speaker 3: the same thing to me. There interdimensional beings as far
Speaker 3: as Bigfoot is concerned, as far as dog Man is concerned,
Speaker 3: there's a couple of different species. One is interdimensional, one
Speaker 3: is flesh and blood that's actually just here, and one
Speaker 3: is demonic in nature, like an evil an evil entity
Speaker 3: from a different dimension that can pop in and out.
Speaker 3: And they would tell me. The what they'd explained it
Speaker 3: to me is, you know, there are the ones that
Speaker 3: you shoot and you know you can't find the body.
Speaker 3: Those are the interdimensional ones. The one there are somes
Speaker 3: that you shoot that they can put down, and I
Speaker 3: know people who've put them down, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: have killed them. And then there's the ones that just
Speaker 3: pop up in your living room or in your bedroom
Speaker 3: in the middle of a night and it looks like
Speaker 3: a dog man. And those are the ones. They claim
Speaker 3: to be interdimensional demonic entities. They can show themselves. They're
Speaker 3: like a shape shifter. They can show themselves to you
Speaker 3: anyway they want. Usually it's whatever scares you the most.
Speaker 1: You're not the folks that put them down. What did
Speaker 1: they do with the bodies? Did they evidence?
Speaker 3: Some people burnt them? I know at least three different people.
Speaker 3: One one group burnt it, burnt everything, One group chopped
Speaker 3: everything up and put lie over it and buried it.
Speaker 3: And the third group what did the dirt group do?
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they come out and reveal this to the
Speaker 1: to the world that these creatures exist.
Speaker 3: For the same reason that the guys will stop me
Speaker 3: on the parkway? Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: and the Dird group. I forgot what the Dird group
Speaker 3: did with them. I know it was they burnt. One
Speaker 3: burnt when buried, and I don't remember what the third
Speaker 3: one did with it, but they definitely got they got
Speaker 3: rid of the evidence. Yeah, they do only have any
Speaker 3: evidence lying around because they're not they're not trying to
Speaker 3: prove the existence of these things. They're just trying to
Speaker 3: get rid of them in their areas, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So, I mean it's crazy stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: there's I mean again, like I said, as far as
Speaker 3: the big foots go, I believe they are into dimensional
Speaker 3: I think they can change the spectrum of light they're
Speaker 3: in so that we can't see him. I've spoken to
Speaker 3: so many hunters, I mean so many hunters who've had
Speaker 3: them in the cross airs of their guns. And then
Speaker 3: the bigfoot will do like a sniff and they looking
Speaker 3: in a direction, like they catch a whiff of them,
Speaker 3: and they look in the direction and they just blink
Speaker 3: out and he goes. I don't know if they just
Speaker 3: blinked out like I dream a genie and went somewhere else,
Speaker 3: or they just turned invisible, or what if still standing
Speaker 3: there and they're not moving because I can't see them,
Speaker 3: but they're just totally disappeared, you know. So I was like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I get it. You know, it's like people are confused.
Speaker 3: I've had friends my whole life, guys I've grown, went
Speaker 3: to school with family members, people my neighbors that are
Speaker 3: big hunters, and I hear the same shit from them
Speaker 3: for thirty years. I've heard the same thing. I've been
Speaker 3: hunting all my life. I've never seen anything. How come
Speaker 3: I've never seen them. Every single one of them has
Speaker 3: called me at one point and said, dude, you're not
Speaker 3: going to believe what I've seen today. And every single
Speaker 3: one of them never went back to their hunting locations
Speaker 3: that they hunted for twenty five years. They're just they're
Speaker 3: done with the hunting in that location. And every single
Speaker 3: one of them had a different, a different, a different experience,
Speaker 3: but they all seen bigfoot creatures. Yeah. And it was
Speaker 3: just like, and I'll call them creatures. I mean, if
Speaker 3: there are people, you know, they have human DNA. I
Speaker 3: did have one guy say something to me one time.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know if they're part human
Speaker 3: because they have a human day and then the guy
Speaker 3: said to me, well, maybe we're part Bigfoot and we
Speaker 3: got our DNA from them. And I was like, whoa,
Speaker 3: you just blew my mind, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting there there could be some kind of
Speaker 1: DNA connection. I know that there's evidence that we had
Speaker 1: giants in our ancient past. Maybe these are remnants of
Speaker 1: the giants from our ancient past. There's so many theories
Speaker 1: that could these could be. But it's very interesting and
Speaker 1: al thank you so much. This was fantastic. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do this again because there's so much more
Speaker 1: we could talk about that one by.
Speaker 3: This is just a tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, before you go, let the audience know where
Speaker 1: they can find out more about you. If you got
Speaker 1: any content out there, all your good stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah we got. We got a bronx Fill Paranormal Society
Speaker 3: YouTube page. We have a war own website. We have
Speaker 3: a hotline for the BPS website. We have a hotline
Speaker 3: for the New York State UFO Project. We also have
Speaker 3: Facebook pages for the New York State UFO Project, Bronxville
Speaker 3: Paranormal Society, New York State dog Man Project, New York
Speaker 3: State Sasquatch Organization, that's you know, I'm the founder and
Speaker 3: director of All of O's and my partner Brian is
Speaker 3: as well, and so if you guys want to contact us,
Speaker 3: you can call the hotline and you know Lebrian and
Speaker 3: I will pick up, or you can shoot me an
Speaker 3: email or text me on Facebook messager. I'm always around Facebook.
Speaker 3: I can't do every single social media site in the world.
Speaker 3: I just don't have the time, so I kind of
Speaker 3: just hop around Facebook.
Speaker 2: Excellent.
Speaker 1: Today, I want to welcome back to the show Ed Mabry.
Speaker 1: He's a truth seeker and researcher. He started blogging on
Speaker 1: his website faith by Reason dot net in twenty ten
Speaker 1: and added podcast in twenty seventeen to help truth seekers
Speaker 1: understand and examine Christian philosophy using logic, reason, and systematic analysis. Ed,
Speaker 1: welcome back. How you doing.
Speaker 6: I'm good, Chris, how are you? Thanks for having me
Speaker 6: back on your show.
Speaker 2: I'm excellent. Thank you so much for coming back on.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed our discussion last time, and today we're going
Speaker 1: to be talking about your research into the possibility that
Speaker 1: the speed of light may be slowing down and this
Speaker 1: may connect to things like the current state of our
Speaker 1: human condition, the events unfolding, and much more so we're
Speaker 1: going to get into this is a very interesting theory.
Speaker 2: Before we get too.
Speaker 1: Far, remind the audience a little bit about yourself and
Speaker 1: your work.
Speaker 3: Sure. Yeah, my name is Ed Mabray.
Speaker 6: I am a researcher, a truth seeker, and a Christian
Speaker 6: in that order, because I just I think that as
Speaker 6: long as you do your research and you seek the truth,
Speaker 6: I think you'll eventually find your way to the spiritual realm.
Speaker 6: And I think you'll eventually find your way to the
Speaker 6: Judeo Christian God. And that's really what my efficts are
Speaker 6: all about. My podcast and my videos and my blogs.
Speaker 6: They're all on a faith by Reason dot net, so
Speaker 6: there's like hundreds of hours of material there again, blogs, podcasts,
Speaker 6: and videos. And I am, you know, I'm a pretty
Speaker 6: educated person. I am, you know, a logical thinker, a
Speaker 6: systems thinker, and I wanted to apply the way I
Speaker 6: think to the Bible and to the idea of the
Speaker 6: Judeo Christian philosophy. And so I grew up in the church.
Speaker 6: I was told not to question what I believe, just
Speaker 6: to kind of go with it, and I did. But
Speaker 6: you know, as I got older, I just didn't sit
Speaker 6: right with me. And I just thought that if what
Speaker 6: I was taught was true, if what I believed about
Speaker 6: God and spirituality was true, and this should actually makes sense,
Speaker 6: you know, logically and reasonably. And that's kind of the
Speaker 6: journey I went on. And you know, that was kind
Speaker 6: of my prayer, as it were, to God, to you know,
Speaker 6: to make it make sense. And you know his credit,
Speaker 6: he honored that and he let me to research and
Speaker 6: materials and to people who actually did make it make sense.
Speaker 6: And my research as well as has done that. So
Speaker 6: what I want to do is help people, whether they
Speaker 6: are Christians or not, just understand why just mis judaeo
Speaker 6: Christian philosophy makes sense, why it make maybe it makes
Speaker 6: more sense than some of the other types of world views.
Speaker 6: And then you know, I just leave to people to
Speaker 6: take it on their own and do your own research
Speaker 6: and decide, you know, what works for you. But you know,
Speaker 6: this is my point of view, and you know, I
Speaker 6: love getting questions and interacting with people. But yeah, but
Speaker 6: my goal is really to help Christians who think like
Speaker 6: me really make sense of our of our world from
Speaker 6: you know, the beginning to where we are now and
Speaker 6: into the future.
Speaker 3: Excellent.
Speaker 1: And I love having as many different perspectives as possible,
Speaker 1: as many different points of views, different religious and spiritual beliefs,
Speaker 1: because I believe that every body has very important pieces
Speaker 1: of the puzzle. Even though individually we may not have
Speaker 1: the whole picture. Everybody brings something to the table, and
Speaker 1: it gives us a much better understanding of what we're
Speaker 1: working with here. So where should we start with your
Speaker 1: theory about the speed of light? Tell us how you
Speaker 1: stumbled upon this?
Speaker 6: Sure, So the way I stumbled upon it was I
Speaker 6: was doing some study into the Book of Genesis, you know,
Speaker 6: That's that's kind of where we start. I have a
Speaker 6: group that I do studies with and we were just
Speaker 6: talking through it, and we just discovered that the Book
Speaker 6: of Genesis is really it's the only book that was
Speaker 6: directly dictated by Jehovah, by the God of the Bible,
Speaker 6: to Moses and everything else after Genesis is really a
Speaker 6: commentary on Genesis. So the whole story is right there,
Speaker 6: you know, from the creation narrative through the original the
Speaker 6: fall of humanity and the fall of tergies we call
Speaker 6: am angels, which is more accurately Eloheim and I think.
Speaker 6: I mentioned this the last time I was on your
Speaker 6: show because I don't like using the term angel because
Speaker 6: angel is it's not a it's it's a job title.
Speaker 6: Angel comes from the Greek anglos, which just means messenger.
Speaker 6: And yet some of these entities you know, delivered messages,
Speaker 6: but that's not who they are. The term is eloheim,
Speaker 6: and Eloheim is translated God good in English. But it's
Speaker 6: kind of an unfortunate translation because it leads people to
Speaker 6: believe that are some people to think that there may
Speaker 6: be like multiple gods who are on par with the
Speaker 6: God of the Judeo Christian God of the Bible. No,
Speaker 6: So eloheim is a term of residency. So if your
Speaker 6: residency is in a spiritual realm, you are in eloheim.
Speaker 6: If your residency is on this material plane, you are
Speaker 6: called man. And of course the industry we call God.
Speaker 6: And I've prefer to use the term Jehovah. Basically that's
Speaker 6: the name Yahweh Yahua. I just use Jehovah, which is
Speaker 6: the German transliteration, because it's just easier for me to pronounce.
Speaker 6: So Jehovah is an elohem, but he is, but and
Speaker 6: there's there are other Eloheem, which we call angels because
Speaker 6: they reside in a spiritual realm. So it's like saying,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm an American, but that's not my name,
Speaker 6: that's that's where I reside, and say, the President of
Speaker 6: the United States is also an American, but we have
Speaker 6: different levels of authority. So Jehovah elohem highest authority. Other
Speaker 6: beings in a spiritual realm are also eloheim. So anyway,
Speaker 6: the point is we're looking. So Genesis basically lays everything out,
Speaker 6: and if you understand what goes on there, then you
Speaker 6: can really understand the rest of the biblical narrative, the
Speaker 6: story that Jehovah has given to humankind to help us
Speaker 6: understand him, because the beginning of what he did and
Speaker 6: what he wants from us is all there. So the
Speaker 6: beginning here he creates the spiritual realm and the material realm,
Speaker 6: and his goal is the reason you would you would
Speaker 6: create other intelligence is there's only one logical reason you
Speaker 6: would create other beings with intelligence, is because you want
Speaker 6: to interact with them. You want to interact, you want
Speaker 6: to share their experiences, and that's why Jehovah created the
Speaker 6: elohem and the humanity. But he had a plan for
Speaker 6: each one of these realms. And the plan for humanity
Speaker 6: in which you saw initially with with the Adam and
Speaker 6: even narrative, was for humanity to rule the earth and
Speaker 6: to make the earth, like Eden, be fruitful and multiply.
Speaker 3: He told them to go out.
Speaker 6: Have kids, make more humans, and then the and during
Speaker 6: the day we were to you know, rule the earth
Speaker 6: as his image bearers, and says, you know, when it
Speaker 6: says we're made in the image of Jehovah, it means
Speaker 6: that we bear his image, and which means that creation
Speaker 6: was to obey Adam and ether way it obeyed God.
Speaker 6: And then in the cool, in the evening and the
Speaker 6: cool of the day, we would walk with him. And
Speaker 6: walking with him doesn't mean just like physically walking, It
Speaker 6: means deep intimate sharing sharing, so we would. So human
Speaker 6: humanity was meant to rule this earth and then have
Speaker 6: spiritual intimacy. And Eden had all the perfect provision all that.
Speaker 6: And of course, as we know, the story the humanity
Speaker 6: fell and then the rest of the Bible is really
Speaker 6: all about the efforts that Jehovah's making to get us
Speaker 6: back to that state, which is what occurs at the
Speaker 6: end of revelation, so back to where the speed of
Speaker 6: light comes in. Were truly trying to understand the progression
Speaker 6: the rest of that story from when we humanity kind
Speaker 6: of fell out of favor all the way to where
Speaker 6: we are now, and how there's a difference between the
Speaker 6: way the people we call the ancients viewed spirituality and
Speaker 6: the way we view spirituality today. If you study any
Speaker 6: of the so called ancients, and we're talking just roughly
Speaker 6: ten thousand ish years ago, i'll just call that the
Speaker 6: ancient times people seem very spiritually attuned. They all have
Speaker 6: all the ancient stories, whether it's the Hebrew stories of
Speaker 6: the Bible, where the stories of the Sumerians or the
Speaker 6: Egyptians Spotamians, they all have vivid stories of them interacting
Speaker 6: with entities that they called gods and building edifices for them,
Speaker 6: and learning things from them and worshiping them most importantly.
Speaker 6: But of course, today, you know, we don't believe any
Speaker 6: of that. We're more focused, at least as far as
Speaker 6: the leadership of this world is concerned. We're focused on
Speaker 6: the scientific aspect that you know, we can explain things
Speaker 6: through the Big Bang and evolution and so forth, and
Speaker 6: so on and we've kind of left spirituality behind, and
Speaker 6: we in our modern man we look back at spirituality
Speaker 6: as all those people were just primitive. They didn't know
Speaker 6: what they were doing, They couldn't explain things scientifically, so
Speaker 6: they just ascribed everything to the gods. But as we
Speaker 6: look at that, most people are still spiritual, even if
Speaker 6: they've been you know, educated or indoctrinated by our system
Speaker 6: to not believe in it. You can't get rid of
Speaker 6: that core of spirituality. So the question is why were
Speaker 6: people in the past more spiritual than we are now?
Speaker 6: What's the difference? And in researching that, that's how I
Speaker 6: got into the whole speed of light thing. And so
Speaker 6: I want to get into some physics around the speed
Speaker 6: of light and how it affects the spiritual realm. But
Speaker 6: before I do, I want to just give you a
Speaker 6: chance to make any comments. Before I dive into into
Speaker 6: all the physical, the physics and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered about the abilities that our ancient ancestors
Speaker 1: had compared to what we are working with now. The
Speaker 1: research and everything that's been uncovered so far and continues
Speaker 1: to be uncovered about the possible consciousness abilities of our
Speaker 1: ancient ancestors seems to be more and more incredible as
Speaker 1: we learn more and more about them, the possibilities that
Speaker 1: we could have even used consciousness abilities to affect matter,
Speaker 1: levitate stones, things of this nature. I've always been interested
Speaker 1: in this, and there's many different theories as to why
Speaker 1: we could have lost that. Then this is a new
Speaker 1: one for me, so I'm very interested in hearing more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, totally, We're gonna get into that because I
Speaker 6: have some interesting theories about that that I was spoken
Speaker 6: about some other podcasts, and yeah, I want to talk
Speaker 6: about on this show because some of the things we
Speaker 6: were talking about, how we how these edifices were built,
Speaker 6: you know, the pyramids, you know, go Beckley Teppe, some
Speaker 6: of the things we see in Easter Island, you know,
Speaker 6: in Peru and Chile. Very very interesting stuff. So let's
Speaker 6: get into the physics of the speed of light. So,
Speaker 6: up until about seventeen hundreds, it was the speed of
Speaker 6: life was considered to be infinite, instantaneous. You know, you
Speaker 6: see light boomits theory does not have a discrete speed. However,
Speaker 6: in the seventeen hundred it's a Danish astronomer by the
Speaker 6: name of Ole Romer when he was doing some observations
Speaker 6: of the moods moons Ofupiter. He discovered through his observations
Speaker 6: that the speed of light, that light dust actually does
Speaker 6: have a discrete speed, and he published some papers on that,
Speaker 6: and of course, as usual it was he was rejected
Speaker 6: because anytime you go against the scientific community, you'd think
Speaker 6: that they'd be more objective and open two new ideas.
Speaker 6: But it turns out that scientists are just as dogmatic
Speaker 6: as like you know, any red faced Bible belt preacher.
Speaker 6: If you say something that does not agree with their
Speaker 6: point of view, you get excommunicated essentially, And a lot
Speaker 6: of the great scientists who have made these discoveries aren't
Speaker 6: even acknowledged for what they did until they're long dead.
Speaker 6: And it was the same thing with Ole Romer. He
Speaker 6: was when he said, hey, light has a discreet speed.
Speaker 6: The said, no way to do it. You're in saying
Speaker 6: we know it's instantaneous, it's infinite. Off you go. And
Speaker 6: of course after eventually they had to come be dragged
Speaker 6: kicking and screaming to the idea that yes, light does
Speaker 6: have a discrete speed, and that speed is about one
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second. So what
Speaker 6: that did was revolutionize physics because again, if the speed
Speaker 6: of light is infinite, you can't measure it. You can't
Speaker 6: measure light. But if it has a discrete speed one
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty six thousand miles per second, then not
Speaker 6: only can you measure it, you can apply the math,
Speaker 6: the science of mathematics to it and you can start
Speaker 6: making predictive models. And this discovery again revolutionized physics and
Speaker 6: gave birth to where we are with our modern physics.
Speaker 6: And great physicists like like Max Plank at Heisenberg and
Speaker 6: Niel's Boor who gave us a model of the atom,
Speaker 6: all of their physics and all the physics abnues today
Speaker 6: is based on one they're actually being a speed of
Speaker 6: light and two that speed of light being constant. Those
Speaker 6: constants are what has allowed us to make the great
Speaker 6: discoveries that we've made for the past few hundred years.
Speaker 6: So fast forward to the late eighties. Nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 6: two researchers to Australian physicists by the name of Very
Speaker 6: setter Field in Trevor Norman. They published a paper with
Speaker 6: discovery with their discovery that the speed of light was
Speaker 6: in fact not a constant. Not only is it not
Speaker 6: a constant, it's slowing down in very minute increments, not
Speaker 6: that you'd notice in your day to day life, but small.
Speaker 6: But it is being done predictably and logarithmically, which means
Speaker 6: you could almost say exponentially. So the further you go
Speaker 6: in time and either direction, the speed of light is
Speaker 6: vastly increases or decreases, be it past or present. So
Speaker 6: again it's it's not something like you would say, tomorrow,
Speaker 6: the speed of light seems slower, you would notice it.
Speaker 6: It's very very small amounts, but you can predict it
Speaker 6: because it's predictable and steady and steady in what they've noticed.
Speaker 6: You can use that to start extrapolating some positions. So again,
Speaker 6: when Setterfield and Norman came out with this discovery, you know,
Speaker 6: scientists reject the scientific community rejected it, I think for
Speaker 6: a couple of reasons. One because again it went against
Speaker 6: the established, the established idea that the speed of light
Speaker 6: was constant. And also because Cedterfield and Norman were Christians
Speaker 6: and they came to some conclusions based on their discovery
Speaker 6: that didn't really sit well with the secular of scientific community.
Speaker 6: But eventually they acknowledged it. Now, they didn't acknowledge it
Speaker 6: publicly because or dramatically, but they should have because this
Speaker 6: should have been one of the greatest discoveries in the
Speaker 6: last couple hundred years.
Speaker 3: Because with the.
Speaker 6: Speed of light is not a constant, it changes everything
Speaker 6: we know about physics. Now, you can google us on
Speaker 6: your own. You can google speed of light slowing down
Speaker 6: and you will find articles acknowledging that, yes, it is
Speaker 6: slowing down. But the scientific community basically attributes it to
Speaker 6: a I think it's a Russian physicist in the late nineties,
Speaker 6: so ten years later. So they acknowledge it ten years
Speaker 6: after Setterfield and Norman, and they don't give them any credit.
Speaker 6: But if your listeners google now was specifically google speed
Speaker 6: of light slowing down and then type in Cetterfield, then
Speaker 6: they'll get the work back from nineteen eighty eight. So
Speaker 6: why isn't this a bigger story? Why wasn't the fact
Speaker 6: that our what we know about physics for the last
Speaker 6: three hundred years needs to change. Well again, we're going
Speaker 6: to get into that, but before we do, I just
Speaker 6: want to talk about some of the effects that this
Speaker 6: would have. So if the speed of light slowing down.
Speaker 6: Then that means that next year, in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 6: the speed of light will be minutely slower than it
Speaker 6: is this year in twenty twenty four. Okay, makes sense,
Speaker 6: which would also mean that last year, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 6: the speed of light was a little bit faster. So
Speaker 6: if it it was slower in the future, then it
Speaker 6: was faster in the past.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Again on the short term, not noticeable. We go back
Speaker 6: one hundred years to nineteen twenty four, you probably wouldn't
Speaker 6: notice it. Your grandparents are great grandparents, wouldn't have said,
Speaker 6: you know, what things seem the speed of light seems faster.
Speaker 6: They wouldn't notice it. But again it the speed moves
Speaker 6: logarithmically and in an exponential so the further you go
Speaker 6: back or forward, the more dramatic the speed is. So
Speaker 6: some scientists who have studied this, they have postulated that
Speaker 6: if the increase or regression of the speed of light
Speaker 6: is constant, then if you were to go back, say
Speaker 6: two thousand years to the first century, with you know,
Speaker 6: the time that Jesus walked the Earth, the speed of
Speaker 6: light would have been one hundred times faster than it
Speaker 6: is today. What would that have meant. Well, to really
Speaker 6: see the dramatic effects of what it might might have been,
Speaker 6: let's go back even further to what we call the
Speaker 6: ancient times. If you went back about eight thousand years,
Speaker 6: the speed of light, if it was, if the increasing
Speaker 6: degradation were constant, the speed of light could have been
Speaker 6: up to ten thousand times faster eight thousand years ago.
Speaker 6: Now there's some reasons to believe that maybe it wasn't
Speaker 6: quite that it wasn't quite that fast. Then we'll talk
Speaker 6: about that. But let's just say the speed of light
Speaker 6: was many, many times faster, thousands of times faster. That
Speaker 6: means that in the period of times we consider the
Speaker 6: ancient world, this world would have been much different because
Speaker 6: not only does the speed of light affect our physical world,
Speaker 6: the speed that electrons spin around the atoms been around
Speaker 6: the nucleus of an atom, which of course basically it
Speaker 6: dictates the level of electromagnetic force that gives us the
Speaker 6: illusion of our world being solid and the materials that
Speaker 6: we deal with in the physical world being solid. I
Speaker 6: think could we have talked about this a little on
Speaker 6: the last time I was on. But you know, the
Speaker 6: atom is mostly empty space is ninety nine point nine
Speaker 6: percent empty space. The electron spins around the nucleus at
Speaker 6: a rate of a radius of excuse me, a ratio
Speaker 6: of about one hundred thousand and one. So if you
Speaker 6: were if you can make a nucleus of an atom
Speaker 6: enlarger to the size of a base ball, the electrons
Speaker 6: will be orbiting like seven miles away of its empty space.
Speaker 6: The reason that you know this table in front of
Speaker 6: me seems solid, that you and I feel solid, is
Speaker 6: because the electron is negatively charged and it creates an
Speaker 6: electromagnetic force, and that electromagnetic force is so strong when
Speaker 6: you have trillions of atoms that make up our bodies
Speaker 6: and every material, all the material in the physical world
Speaker 6: around us. When when those two negative forces come together,
Speaker 6: you know they repel each other, which gives us the
Speaker 6: illusion of solidity. But if the speed of light was faster,
Speaker 6: that they would have been spinning faster, that electromagnetic field
Speaker 6: would be even stronger, so we would have been Humans
Speaker 6: would have been stronger, more durable, everything would have been
Speaker 6: more solid. Colors probably would have been more vivid. There's
Speaker 6: all kinds of physical things that would have been different,
Speaker 6: and physicists really get into this and it's really fascinating stuff.
Speaker 6: But what I want to focus on is how it
Speaker 6: would have affected us mentally. Because our minds our brains,
Speaker 6: but our thoughts are electric. You go to a hospital,
Speaker 6: it hooks you up to an EKG to measure your
Speaker 6: brain waves. Their measure during the electricity that happens when
Speaker 6: you think. Every thought that we have is an electric impulse.
Speaker 6: So in our in our brains, there are cells called neurons,
Speaker 6: and the neurons are dendrites and axioms. The dendrites they
Speaker 6: kind of look like trees. If I'm holding my hand
Speaker 6: up now, we see like the stem of the dendrite
Speaker 6: and then it branches off. And the way when we
Speaker 6: have a thought, those two dendrites, an electric pulse goes
Speaker 6: between them. They don't touch each other. A little bit
Speaker 6: of electricity passes between the two and that's how we
Speaker 6: have our thought processes. So if the speed of light
Speaker 6: was thousands of times faster, and that means that that
Speaker 6: electric pulse between our dendrites would have been flowing thousands
Speaker 6: of times faster, meaning our thoughts would have been processed
Speaker 6: thousands of times faster, So we would have been far
Speaker 6: more intelligent than we are today, we would have been
Speaker 6: way smarter. Because we use that terminology today when we
Speaker 6: say someone is not very smart, what do we say.
Speaker 6: We say, well, he's kind of slow or she's slow,
Speaker 6: as opposed to if someone is really smart, Oh he's quick,
Speaker 6: he's quick witted. So the faster you think, the more,
Speaker 6: the faster you process your thoughts, the more intelligent you are.
Speaker 6: So if this theory is true, and again it's it's
Speaker 6: it's scientifically, it's been proven, it's you can research it
Speaker 6: pretty easily, we would have been much smarter in the past.
Speaker 6: This might could explain why we were human beings in
Speaker 6: the past and the ancient times were able to understand
Speaker 6: things that we're still discovering about astronomy, about physics, about
Speaker 6: the spiritual world. So my postulation is that if we
Speaker 6: were able to process thoughts thousands of times faster, our
Speaker 6: perceptions would have been thousands of times sharper. What if
Speaker 6: we could have perceived the spiritual realm much more than
Speaker 6: we're perceiving it now. Maybe the reason that these ancients
Speaker 6: believed and worshiped these gods which we you know, the Elohem,
Speaker 6: they would fallen Elohem. According to the biblical narrative was
Speaker 6: because they could actually perceive them, they could see them,
Speaker 6: they could interact with them, and why can't we do
Speaker 6: that today? Well, because, frankly, when we're a lot dumber
Speaker 6: than our ancient ancestors, we think we're smarter because we
Speaker 6: have different toys. You know, we have our iPads and
Speaker 6: computers and teslas and all that, which is fine, and
Speaker 6: they didn't. They said, well, they lived in stone buildings
Speaker 6: and huts and whatnot. Why didn't they have, you know,
Speaker 6: computers and cars. My theory on that is because they
Speaker 6: knew where they should be focused. They were more focused
Speaker 6: on the spiritual realm. They weren'ts focused on our physical
Speaker 6: realm because they knew that the true power, the true
Speaker 6: insight into this world, the true understanding, was in the
Speaker 6: spiritual realm, So that's what they were focused on. That said,
Speaker 6: I'm sure you probably had on your show folks who've
Speaker 6: talked about how much more advanced they might have been,
Speaker 6: how much they might have had different sources of energy
Speaker 6: and different types of civilizations that just may have been
Speaker 6: just destroyed over time. But I think that this So
Speaker 6: I'm going to conclude this section by saying, if this
Speaker 6: theory is correct. The ancients were much smarter than we
Speaker 6: were than we are. They had a much better understanding
Speaker 6: of our world, and they had a much better perspective
Speaker 6: on the spiritual realm, and they interacted with spiritual beings.
Speaker 1: I can see how that would be very possible. Now,
Speaker 1: do you think that the speed of light could possibly
Speaker 1: have a correlation to the lifespans of our ancient ancestors?
Speaker 2: If you look at things like the.
Speaker 1: Sumerian Kings list, if the translations are even correct on there,
Speaker 1: that these beings lived for thousands of years at times. Now,
Speaker 1: that seems like a lot. But again, if we're translating
Speaker 1: and interpreting these things correctly, it would seem that our
Speaker 1: ancestors have been documented to have had very long life spans.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there's any correlations there?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe it. I believe there is a direct
Speaker 6: correlation because again, with as I said before, with the
Speaker 6: speed of light dictating the physical structure of everything, our
Speaker 6: bodies would have been more durable, they would have been denser,
Speaker 6: they would have I think we would have been bigger
Speaker 6: and stronger. I think we would have been much we
Speaker 6: would have been taller, we would have lived longer, and yeah,
Speaker 6: and then we would have been more intelligent. So you know,
Speaker 6: in the biblical narrative you see that people living you know,
Speaker 6: an average of six seven, eight hundred years, and that
Speaker 6: would make sense. If our bodies were more durable, then
Speaker 6: we would have would we would not have been as
Speaker 6: subject to as the degradation would have been much slower,
Speaker 6: and it would have been taller, people would have been bigger.
Speaker 6: And there's there are some extra biblical textas state that
Speaker 6: Stay said Noah, who was obviously you know in the Antidiluvian,
Speaker 6: the pre flood period, that he was about ten feet tall.
Speaker 6: Now that was kind of the average. But of course
Speaker 6: then you go back a little further and you have
Speaker 6: the entities called the Nephelim, which were the the the
Speaker 6: progeny of fallen Eloheim having intercourse with women, and they
Speaker 6: were considered giants. So if if the average human was
Speaker 6: about ten feet tall, a giant to them would have
Speaker 6: had to have been, you know, much taller than that.
Speaker 6: So that's so I think that's really interesting there. So
Speaker 6: I do believe, yeah, we would have been longer lived,
Speaker 6: we would have been much more durable. I think we
Speaker 6: would have again been much longer lived, and I think
Speaker 6: we would have had abilities that we don't currently have.
Speaker 6: One theory I find really fascinating that's not directly from
Speaker 6: the Bible. It's actually something I heard from another another podcaster,
Speaker 6: but I think it has some Merit is that before
Speaker 6: the incident at the Tower of Babel, we know the
Speaker 6: story of you know, at the Tower of Babel, you
Speaker 6: had Nimrod, who was the post flood leader of humanity.
Speaker 6: He was also in the Bible says he became a
Speaker 6: ghibbor orhem, which is one of the titles of a nephelin,
Speaker 6: meaning that he was altered somehow to become this spiritual human,
Speaker 6: the spiritual human hybrid. He built a Tower of Babel,
Speaker 6: which was intended to reach to heaven, to invade the
Speaker 6: spiritual realm, and as a result of this, God decided
Speaker 6: to confuse the languages of people so that they would
Speaker 6: scatter and not be able to to redo this because
Speaker 6: it says that if Jehovah had not intervened, they would
Speaker 6: have succeeded in creating this tower that would have allowed
Speaker 6: them basically a stargate that would have allowed them to
Speaker 6: go into the heavens. What this podcaster said was her theory,
Speaker 6: and again I think it has merit is that before Babel,
Speaker 6: we didn't communicate verbally, we didn't use sounds to communicate.
Speaker 6: We communicated telepathically. We could hear each other's thoughts. So
Speaker 6: if you have again speed of light thousands of times faster,
Speaker 6: our brains thousands of times faster, our intuition thousands of
Speaker 6: times faster, it will make sense that we could maybe
Speaker 6: hear each other's thoughts. I mean, you have people today
Speaker 6: who who have really good intuition and they can kind
Speaker 6: of say, hey, you know what I think. I can
Speaker 6: tell what kind of mood you're in, or things like that.
Speaker 6: You know, my wife and I we can kind of
Speaker 6: tell each other's moods without speaking to each other because
Speaker 6: you know, we've been around each other and we're in sync.
Speaker 6: But imagine that thousands of times stronger to where it's
Speaker 6: more than just empathy. You can actually hear thoughts instead
Speaker 6: of saying, I can tell you're in a bad mood,
Speaker 6: so I can tell why you're in a bad mood.
Speaker 6: You had a bad day because somebody did X, Y
Speaker 6: and Z to you. So again you multiply that thousands
Speaker 6: of times, we're we're communicating intimately through our thoughts, and
Speaker 6: but sounds were used instead to move things around. We
Speaker 6: were in the biblical narrative. How did Jehovah bring about
Speaker 6: the physical realm? He spoke it into existence. He used words. Words.
Speaker 6: What are words? Words are vibrations. Words are ordered to
Speaker 6: vibrate their vibrations in a specific order. Now, before you
Speaker 6: think that sounds a little too woo woo for you,
Speaker 6: keep in mind that when you get down to the
Speaker 6: sub atomic level, the parts of the atom that are
Speaker 6: actually actually have substantive weights because electron has inferred weight.
Speaker 6: But the protons and the neutrons, and when you get
Speaker 6: down to their building blocks, the building blocks of the
Speaker 6: proton and neutron are called quarks. Quarks are basically vibrations. Again,
Speaker 6: it's just physics. You can look secular physics, you can
Speaker 6: look it up. So what so the building blocks of
Speaker 6: our physical world are vibrations and ordered vibrations, because you
Speaker 6: know we have everything is it's ordered, you know every
Speaker 6: you know, there's symmetry that's ordered throughout throughout the physical universe.
Speaker 6: So if everything is made of vibrations, then it totally
Speaker 6: makes sense that they would come into being by someone speaking,
Speaker 6: because what would you call ordered vibrations but speaking or
Speaker 6: in fact a song. The first chapter of Genesis is
Speaker 6: a songs in Stanzas, so you could to technically say
Speaker 6: that Jehovah sang this well into existence. The point is
Speaker 6: that words, vibrations, singing is used to manipulate matter. So
Speaker 6: if when we look at the Pyramids, for example, you
Speaker 6: have these heavy stone blocks and people are saying, how
Speaker 6: how could ancient people have done this? You know they're
Speaker 6: where where the pyramids are situated curly in Egypt. They're
Speaker 6: not anywhere near the quarry they would have been dug from.
Speaker 6: They would have had to have dug these out hundreds
Speaker 6: of miles away and then brought them to the area
Speaker 6: in Cairo where they are. Well, if you can manipulate
Speaker 6: matter through your words, through singing, through vibrations, you could
Speaker 6: make them lighter or heavier and move them that way.
Speaker 6: And so I think that makes more much more sense
Speaker 6: than the idea of people physically drudging them here and there,
Speaker 6: and they can't even explain how they did that. So
Speaker 6: that whole theory is that we use vibrations to manipate matter,
Speaker 6: but to communicate. We did that telepathically, and what the
Speaker 6: Tower of Babel really was was Jehovah saying, okay, because
Speaker 6: you guys were one mind, and it actually says that
Speaker 6: in a Bible they were of one mind, and they
Speaker 6: all decided to build this tower. Jehovah said, I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna let you do that anymore. So I'm going to
Speaker 6: confuse your languages. I'm going to take away your ability
Speaker 6: to speak to each other telepathically. Now you have to
Speaker 6: use this, you know, these guttural sounds to communicate. And
Speaker 6: that's why that's how we separated. So that gives me
Speaker 6: to my other point, which is that I don't think
Speaker 6: this slowing down of the speed of light has been
Speaker 6: in this once in a smooth delineation. I think there
Speaker 6: have been dramatic decreases. I think that when at the
Speaker 6: beginning of creation, when Jehovah walked with Man walked without him,
Speaker 6: and Eve, they the speed of light was close to
Speaker 6: was close to infinite. Because it says in the Book
Speaker 6: of John the excuse me, the Gospel, not the Gospel
Speaker 6: of John, excuse me, the epistles of the Apostles on
Speaker 6: it says that Jehovah, God is light, and there is
Speaker 6: no darkness in him at all, and he's one hundred
Speaker 6: percent light. He's infinite light. So the light was at
Speaker 6: its fastest that creation. Then you have original sin. I
Speaker 6: think light slowed down dramatically because Jehovah got further from humanity.
Speaker 6: Then at the flood, light slowed down dramatically again because
Speaker 6: again this was Jehovah getting further away. So I think
Speaker 6: so all that to say, the further Jehovah and Man
Speaker 6: separate from each other, the slower light becomes. So I
Speaker 6: think that at the Tower of bab Bell he got
Speaker 6: even further from humanity through their from their rebellion, and
Speaker 6: that that lessened their ability to communicate telepathically, and that
Speaker 6: that rendered them into speaking languages. So again, no, these
Speaker 6: these are these are theories or speculations. I'm not going
Speaker 6: to say it's one hundred percent true, but I think
Speaker 6: it's fascinating and I think it is a sense in
Speaker 6: a big victory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very fascinating. I want to go back to
Speaker 1: a second too, frequencies, and that gets into the nature
Speaker 1: of what some people understand is magic. It also correlates
Speaker 1: to everything that you're talking about, it's a tool.
Speaker 2: For us that's here for us.
Speaker 1: It's this energy that surrounds us at all time, and
Speaker 1: we interact with it whether we realize it or not.
Speaker 1: And there's some folks that become in a state of
Speaker 1: fear and they call it evil and say that anyone
Speaker 1: that does any type of magic is working with demons,
Speaker 1: when in reality, a natural state that everyone works with.
Speaker 1: If you say a prayer, you're using magic. It works
Speaker 1: with these unseen forces and it has an effect on
Speaker 1: our reality. It's but it's all about our intention behind it.
Speaker 2: Would you agree?
Speaker 6: I agree to one hundred percent. I understand why there
Speaker 6: are certain people, especially you know, people who are religious
Speaker 6: or faith based who kind of try to stay away
Speaker 6: from that idea because there are a lot of folks
Speaker 6: use it in separate from God's will to do things
Speaker 6: that are not good. But that I think they're throwing
Speaker 6: the baby out with the bathwater when they do that,
Speaker 6: because you have to understand that what we what you
Speaker 6: can call magic, is actually the energy that comes from
Speaker 6: the spiritual realm. The spiritual realm is again it's a
Speaker 6: source of unlimited light Jehovah God. It says in the Bible.
Speaker 6: As I just quoted before, God is light and there
Speaker 6: is no darkness in him at all. Light is energy,
Speaker 6: and that energy can be used. And as you said,
Speaker 6: when we pray, what are we doing. We are using
Speaker 6: our words to interact with the spiritual realm in order
Speaker 6: to have some type of physical effect on this earth.
Speaker 6: That is no different in principle than someone who is
Speaker 6: conducting magic. The only difference is that when you are praying,
Speaker 6: you are aligned with the will. If you're praying to God,
Speaker 6: to Jehovah, you're praying in alignment with his will, which
Speaker 6: means you're doing things his way. However, you can do
Speaker 6: it a different way. You can tap into the spiritual
Speaker 6: realm to do things that are not beneficial, and that
Speaker 6: is something that we should you should definitely be definitely
Speaker 6: be on guard for because we know we're humans. We
Speaker 6: have very limited understanding we do we you know, we
Speaker 6: live in you know, three, well technically four dimensions, you know,
Speaker 6: the three spatial dimensions of length with and depth and
Speaker 6: the physical dimension of time, whereas these spiritual entities they
Speaker 6: live in as many as eleven dimensions. Again, it's just
Speaker 6: scientific about the dimensions that we can't perceive like you know,
Speaker 6: the strong of a nuclear force, electroal magnetism. These are
Speaker 6: considered dimensions that we don't directly access or interact with,
Speaker 6: but these entities would have to. They're much higher than us,
Speaker 6: so they can can can do things in the spiritual
Speaker 6: realm that we don't understand, so we need to yet
Speaker 6: to be very very careful. But things like intensents having gratitude.
Speaker 6: I mean, I've had you when I'm having a bad day,
Speaker 6: you know what. The what I do, I just start
Speaker 6: being thankful and having gratitude and it completely changes my day?
Speaker 3: Is that magic?
Speaker 6: What I'm doing is I'm speaking words in this realm
Speaker 6: that resonate in the spiritual realm that actually have an
Speaker 6: effect on me and I feel better about myself. I
Speaker 6: have a good friend and my my best friend actually
Speaker 6: his wife. She had cancer and unfortunately she did pass
Speaker 6: away from it, but she was supposed to pass away
Speaker 6: from it much sooner. But the reason that she lasted
Speaker 6: longer was because she had such a great attitude. She
Speaker 6: had a really positive attitude about everything, and the doctors
Speaker 6: were marveled at the fact that she continued to live
Speaker 6: as long as she did. But it was because her attitude,
Speaker 6: her words, the affirmations that she gave herself into others
Speaker 6: had a physical effect on her. And that's not evil,
Speaker 6: It's nothing wrong with it. But what it is is
Speaker 6: us interacting with the spiritual realm. And I think I
Speaker 6: talked about this the last time was on is that
Speaker 6: we have the words. Any type of any type of
Speaker 6: spiritual interaction we have is done with words, the vibrations.
Speaker 6: Whether it's spiritual warfare. If you're a Christian, you know
Speaker 6: what spiritual warfare is all about. It's done with words.
Speaker 6: In the Bible, and someone is going against a demon,
Speaker 6: what do they do? Do they physically fight it? No,
Speaker 6: they speak words. Jesus would say to the demon, come
Speaker 6: out of him or her. When we pray, we're doing
Speaker 6: spiritual warfare, we're speaking. We speak words because we're spiritual
Speaker 6: human we're spiritual material hybrids. You know, the real you,
Speaker 6: the real Chris is not this body I see in
Speaker 6: front of me that's going to go away. The real
Speaker 6: you is your your spirit, your soul, and that's eternal
Speaker 6: because it's not physical. You know you can The real
Speaker 6: you is again, is your thoughts, your emotions, your personality.
Speaker 6: So we're all spiritual beings, so we have access to
Speaker 6: the spiritual realm through our consciousness. That's really what the
Speaker 6: spiritual realm is. It's a realm of pure consciousness, of
Speaker 6: pure energy. We talked a little bit earlier about how
Speaker 6: our thoughts are electric.
Speaker 3: That's energy.
Speaker 6: When someone dies, you know there's no more electricity happening
Speaker 6: up there when you're alive. That are our brains are
Speaker 6: You look at our brains not as where our thoughts originate,
Speaker 6: but just as the vehicle literally through which we're thinking.
Speaker 6: One of my mentors name is John lindhard Linhardt. He
Speaker 6: has a great He has a company with a great
Speaker 6: website called flowsas dot com. How do you recommend your
Speaker 6: listeners go there? F L O C S S dot
Speaker 6: com Like process, but flowsas. He teaches you how to
Speaker 6: intentionally get into a state of what we call flow.
Speaker 6: It's like when we use the term in the zone.
Speaker 6: Like if you're a sports fan, you know you've seen
Speaker 6: these these these circumstances were like you're watching a basketball
Speaker 6: player and for whatever reason, he can't admit he's just
Speaker 6: hitting shot after shot. He's in the zone a picture
Speaker 6: in baseball throwing a no hitter. He's in the zone.
Speaker 6: He is in the flow, and that happens under certain circumstances.
Speaker 6: Flowsys dot Com teaches us how to get there intentionally anyway.
Speaker 3: He John Lennard.
Speaker 6: Uses this this this model called the car and driver model.
Speaker 6: Whereas our brain is like a car, but our spirit,
Speaker 6: our soul, our consciousness is a driver, so we can
Speaker 6: tell it where to go. So it's just the vehicle
Speaker 6: and we're in control of ten percent of it. Our
Speaker 6: conscious mind. Our consciousness controls ten percent of our mind.
Speaker 6: The other ninety percent, what we call the unconscious, is happening,
Speaker 6: you know, outside of our control. It's just like in
Speaker 6: your car. You know, the pistons going, the sparkplugs part
Speaker 6: doing their thing. All that's happening behind the scenes. We're
Speaker 6: controlled the steering wheel and the accelerator and all that.
Speaker 6: So when people say we only use ten percent of
Speaker 6: our brain, no that's not true. We use one hundred
Speaker 6: percent of our brain. We're only in conscious control of
Speaker 6: ten percent of it. The rest is happening in the background,
Speaker 6: like you know, our eyes blinking, our heart beating. Our
Speaker 6: mind controls all those things. Because you know, when you
Speaker 6: get scared, what happens your hearts are beating faster. You
Speaker 6: don't say, hey, heart, start start beating faster. No, our
Speaker 6: unconsciousness is in control of that. So my whole point
Speaker 6: in saying that is that this body we're driving is
Speaker 6: the car. But when you, if you leave this body,
Speaker 6: just like if you leave the car, you're still you.
Speaker 6: You're just not in that vehicle anymore.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 6: The real you is spirit and because of that, you
Speaker 6: can communicate in the spiritual realm. And again you do
Speaker 6: that by prayers. You do that through your words. You
Speaker 6: can speak affirmations to yourself, to your spouse, to your children.
Speaker 6: We see this, it's not not just in the Bible,
Speaker 6: but in other traditions where the father puts a blessing
Speaker 6: on his sons and daughters and those blessings come true.
Speaker 6: You know, as a father of two boys myself, as
Speaker 6: soon as when my boys reach the age when are teenagers,
Speaker 6: I'm going to speak a blessing on them. And I
Speaker 6: have every confident, that confidence that blessing is going to
Speaker 6: come true, not just because it says on the Bible,
Speaker 6: which I believe in, but also because I think that
Speaker 6: my words will have an effect on them. And I
Speaker 6: speak affirmations to them all the time. I tell him
Speaker 6: you are, you are smart, you are you are beautiful,
Speaker 6: you are confident, you are valuable. And those words speak
Speaker 6: life or they can speak death. You know, you may
Speaker 6: have seen the experiment that a Japanese scientists that I
Speaker 6: forget his name right now, but he talked. He did
Speaker 6: his experiment where he used positive words and spoke them
Speaker 6: into until.
Speaker 2: The emotives experiments.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yes, thank you for that. And when he
Speaker 6: when he spoke words of encouragement and love, the water
Speaker 6: made beautiful patterns. But when he did the opposite, spoke
Speaker 6: you know, angry words, and it was chaotic, and so
Speaker 6: you know that affects us. So all that to say
Speaker 6: is that our words are powerful and they're spiritual, and
Speaker 6: the more connected we are to the spiritual realm, you know,
Speaker 6: the more power we have to do these things that
Speaker 6: you know, some people can call magic, but I just
Speaker 6: think it's being connected with the spiritual realm. But as
Speaker 6: I said, you need to make sure you know what
Speaker 6: you're doing because you can get in trouble if you to.
Speaker 3: Do it the right way.
Speaker 1: That also connects to our entertainment industry when it comes
Speaker 1: to the music we listen to. Music is so very
Speaker 1: powerful to the human emotion and experience, and it has
Speaker 1: been so tainted and corrupted by those in power so
Speaker 1: that it isn't such a powerful tool for us anymore.
Speaker 1: And now all we have is the crappy pop and
Speaker 1: rap in rock music that we have in this modern age.
Speaker 1: That every once in a while you'll find some gems
Speaker 1: out there that really stir some emotion for you, but overall,
Speaker 1: they have stamped out the magic behind music, and I
Speaker 1: think that is so incredibly powerful, and that's an untapped
Speaker 1: resource that humanity still has yet to really discover, the
Speaker 1: true potent.
Speaker 6: I believe you are one hundred percent Rightty, I've done
Speaker 6: some study into this, and you are. You couldn't be
Speaker 6: more right. Our music has changed. I think in the
Speaker 6: nineteen twenties or thirties they changed the frequency in which
Speaker 6: people would tune their instruments. I think it was either
Speaker 6: from from four you don't quote, be honest, I'm not
Speaker 6: a musician, but I think it was like from something
Speaker 6: in four thirty two to for something else, But there
Speaker 6: was the initial frequency was the frequency they used in
Speaker 6: classical music, Beethoven, you know, Chopine, of Brahms, these great
Speaker 6: symphony musicians who would just make this incredible music that
Speaker 6: would uplift you and just make you feel better. And
Speaker 6: they change a frequency and then all and you know,
Speaker 6: they changed the common frequency that which people would tune
Speaker 6: their instruments. And now music just makes you feel either
Speaker 6: very chaotic or over sexualized. That's really huge these days,
Speaker 6: or or you know, or are very angry.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I grew up listening to rap music and I saw
Speaker 6: the change.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially with because it's a combination of the
Speaker 1: lyrics and the music behind it that has the power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's poetry.
Speaker 6: When I was growing up, there were artists who were
Speaker 6: very positive, you know. There was there was you know,
Speaker 6: Bugget Down productions, Eric B and Rock Him, Public Enemy,
Speaker 6: who were just talking about uplifting black people and uplifting
Speaker 6: people who are downtrodden and having pride in yourself. And
Speaker 6: then it switched over to gangster rep. And I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna lie. I was into n w A at the
Speaker 6: time because it was just because I grew up in
Speaker 6: LA and that's where they were from, and so I
Speaker 6: was into it. But it was a very different genre,
Speaker 6: very different messaging. And now that's the dominant type. You
Speaker 6: don't really hear very much positive, uplifting music on raps.
Speaker 6: It's either very violent or very sexual or very materialistic.
Speaker 6: It's either about money, about booty and hoes, or it's
Speaker 6: about violence. Yeah, all those are very low vibrational things.
Speaker 6: We're talking about vibrations, very low vibrational as opposed to
Speaker 6: high vibrational. But then you put on some classical music.
Speaker 6: You listen to you know, some some mozarts, you listen
Speaker 6: to some Beethoven and something you feel better. Or even
Speaker 6: if you go into just or just earlier music. You know,
Speaker 6: some good jazz is tuned correctly, it can completely change
Speaker 6: your mood for the better.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: What I found interesting not only is music more chaotic
Speaker 6: and lower vibrational, it's simpler. It's not complex.
Speaker 3: Music.
Speaker 6: What I would grow up listen to my parents, you know,
Speaker 6: they love you know, bands like the OJ's and Earth
Speaker 6: Wind and Fire. Their songs will be like the seven
Speaker 6: eight minutes long. Now music is about two to three minutes.
Speaker 6: There's mostly just a hook going over and over again,
Speaker 6: a few changes there. So it's and what that is is.
Speaker 1: And it's become a formula on top of that it's
Speaker 1: been reused and recycled over and over again.
Speaker 6: So I'll give you one of my theories on that, well,
Speaker 6: two theories. One is hypnotic, because yeah, hypnotism is about repeating,
Speaker 6: is just repetitive language. So I give you to it. It
Speaker 6: gets you to a hypnotic state, in a theta state,
Speaker 6: and that makes you very susceptible to what the message is.
Speaker 6: And secondly, like you said, it's very repetitive and it's
Speaker 6: also not original. Every song you hear, almost every song
Speaker 6: you hear now sounds like a song that was made,
Speaker 6: you know, ten, twenty thirty years ago. It's like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, I knew that I heard that song when
Speaker 6: I was in my twenties. I mean, I'm in my
Speaker 6: early fifties. Now, say I remember that song from the
Speaker 6: eighties and nineties. Why is that same beat? And I
Speaker 6: think it's the song I used to listen to when
Speaker 6: I was a kid. I'm like, oh no, no, no,
Speaker 6: someone just took that and sampled it. But the other
Speaker 6: reason is that the lower vibrational you get, the less
Speaker 6: creative you are. These entities, these fallen lohem once you
Speaker 6: were So here's a principle. Once you are judged by God.
Speaker 6: You no longer have free will, you no longer have creativity.
Speaker 6: So the industries that we call you know, the devil,
Speaker 6: Satan and all the other fallen angels, they've been judged.
Speaker 6: They no longer have their own creativity. They can only
Speaker 6: use a creativity that humanity provides to them. So you
Speaker 6: can almost measure the state of the world by the
Speaker 6: lessening of creativity. The more the world is aligned with
Speaker 6: the darkness, with the dark forces, with the lower vibrational forces,
Speaker 6: the less creative we're going to be. Because the lower
Speaker 6: you get on a vibrational scale, the more you're aligned
Speaker 6: with these entities that have no creativity, the less creativity
Speaker 6: we will have. So I think that's why all music
Speaker 6: is sounding the same, all movies have the same exactly.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you watch a movie like Haven't I
Speaker 6: Seen This before? All the same things there are very
Speaker 6: it's very rare you see an innovative movie or an
Speaker 6: innovative piece of music anymore. And those who are making
Speaker 6: innovative movies and innovative music, they're relegated, you know, to
Speaker 6: to to the I guess what you call alternative movies,
Speaker 6: And you know, Indie movies are in alternative music.
Speaker 1: And not only if what you're saying about the speed
Speaker 1: of light is correct, but tech technology is having a
Speaker 1: huge effect on people. And technology can be a wonderful thing,
Speaker 1: but it's in the wrong hands, and it's unfortunately making
Speaker 1: people stupider, more reliant on technology, less reliant on their
Speaker 1: own creativity, especially when it comes to AI AI art,
Speaker 1: some of the applications that are writing projects and doing
Speaker 1: homework and writing books for people. It's causing detrimental problems
Speaker 1: for our collective creativity.
Speaker 6: It really is. I mean, as you said, if we
Speaker 6: just use these these machines and these technology just as
Speaker 6: a tool, great, But when we start relying on it
Speaker 6: to think for us, that's a huge problem. You know,
Speaker 6: the more time passes, the more that movie The Matrix
Speaker 6: is just prophecy. Because with just one of the lines
Speaker 6: where I think Agent Smith said to I think he's
Speaker 6: talking to Morpheus, where he says, you know, once we
Speaker 6: started thinking for you, that's what we decided we're going
Speaker 6: to take you down. Now that said, I want to
Speaker 6: make you very clear that I do not believe I
Speaker 6: know that people like Elon Musk and some of the
Speaker 6: others believe that eventually we'll get to the point where,
Speaker 6: you know, we have like a terminator scenario where AI
Speaker 6: becomes so smart that it starts thinking on its own
Speaker 6: and it overthrows us. There's a limit to what AI
Speaker 6: can do. I do not think that AI will ever
Speaker 6: be sentient. Some people can disagree with me, and that's
Speaker 6: totally fine. I'm open to hearing the argument. But as
Speaker 6: far as I've seen, it only has a capability of
Speaker 6: utilizing the information that exists. It cannot create information that
Speaker 6: doesn't exist. That's just fundamental, and that's that's the difference
Speaker 6: between AI and human I don't know, Chris, what you're
Speaker 6: going to think next? Why because what you what you're
Speaker 6: thinking next hasn't happened yet, right I can only I
Speaker 6: only know the information about you that you've revealed to
Speaker 6: me so far. And it's the same thing with AI.
Speaker 6: AI can only manipulate information that already has so we
Speaker 6: can use predictive modeling to you know, to make predictions
Speaker 6: based on information, but it's the information that already exists.
Speaker 6: It can't It doesn't know anything that doesn't exist. Yet
Speaker 6: humanity we have the ability to think of things that
Speaker 6: don't exist. I don't think Ai has that. And incidentally,
Speaker 6: because I was talking to some friends with this over
Speaker 6: the weekend, we were talking about whether or not God
Speaker 6: knows what we're what we're going to think before we
Speaker 6: think it, and there was an argument back and forth,
Speaker 6: and I'd say it, but I think that No, I
Speaker 6: don't think God knows what we're going to think before
Speaker 6: we think it, because that information doesn't exist exist. God
Speaker 6: doesn't know our choices until we make the choice. And
Speaker 6: the verse in the Bible that I used to justify
Speaker 6: this was when when Jehovah asked Abraham to sacrifice this
Speaker 6: on Isaac. Now, he wasn't going to have him do that,
Speaker 6: he was just he was testing his faith. And then
Speaker 6: when Abraham said, okay, I'm gonna do it, he goes
Speaker 6: up to the mouth and he takes Isaac up there
Speaker 6: with him and he's about to sacrifice him, and Jehopa
Speaker 6: say stop, don't do it, because now I know that
Speaker 6: you're that you won't withhold anything from me because you
Speaker 6: know you're willing to sacrifice. You are only sun for me.
Speaker 6: But that we're saying now, I know that means that
Speaker 6: before that he didn't know he wasn't sure Abraham's choice.
Speaker 6: There are other examples in the Bible where it's clear
Speaker 6: that God waits for our choices before he acts, so
Speaker 6: he doesn't know that because that a infyface doesn't exist,
Speaker 6: and that, by the way, and I'll let you let
Speaker 6: you speak, I know you you're about to say something.
Speaker 6: That also gets to one of the core issues that
Speaker 6: people have with Christianity, which are the concept of a
Speaker 6: just and loving God, which when they always say, well,
Speaker 6: if God is just and loving, why doesn't he stop
Speaker 6: evil before it happens? Why doesn't Why did he stop
Speaker 6: Hitler before he became Hitler? Why did he you know,
Speaker 6: stop Jeffrey don or Epstein or anyone else? Because he
Speaker 6: could only God can only react to what we do
Speaker 6: after he've made our choice, because he doesn't know our
Speaker 6: choice before we make it. Because we have free will.
Speaker 2: That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Isn't that the whole point of free will is so
Speaker 1: that we can make our own decisions.
Speaker 6: Exactly If we didn't have free will, then we couldn't
Speaker 6: choose to love God, we couldn't choose to be on
Speaker 6: his side, and that's what he wanted from us. No,
Speaker 6: why did he put the Tree of the Knowledge of
Speaker 6: Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden, because that's
Speaker 6: the only way he could have known whether or not
Speaker 6: Adam and Eve would have truly followed him. If they
Speaker 6: had no choice, no free will, then they couldn't have
Speaker 6: chosen there. And so he can't punish evil until evil happens.
Speaker 6: So we have to keep that in mind that you know,
Speaker 6: we hold God to a standard, to a standard we
Speaker 6: don't a standard that we don't hold anything else, the
Speaker 6: same standard that you know we have to wait for
Speaker 6: evil to occur before it's punished. That's the same standard
Speaker 6: that we hold our justice system. We don't expect the
Speaker 6: police to arrest someone before they commit a crime, unless
Speaker 6: you'd look at it with that movie Minority Report about
Speaker 6: twenty years ago. But in reality, you can't say, hey,
Speaker 6: you know, I'm gonnaarrest you because you thought about murdering
Speaker 6: that guy. No, you're not a murderer until you actually
Speaker 6: murder someone. So we can't stop you before you murder.
Speaker 6: We can only punish you or give you a bring
Speaker 6: about justice after you murder. And it's the same thing
Speaker 6: with God, because I can't judge you until you do.
Speaker 6: Long because up until you do long, you have a
Speaker 6: choice to say, you know what, I was gonna do
Speaker 6: this bad thing but becided not to. He can't violate
Speaker 6: that choice. Are we violating our free will? Which would
Speaker 6: be unjust?
Speaker 1: Now, as far as we know, all of the natural
Speaker 1: light that we witness and that we perceive comes from
Speaker 1: the Sun, how do you understand our cosmology? I know
Speaker 1: it's difficult to decipher some of the lies that come
Speaker 1: out of our mainstream science and academia and NASA and
Speaker 1: what we've been told about our planet and solar system
Speaker 1: and what lies beyond our atmosphere?
Speaker 2: What is your understanding of everything?
Speaker 6: All right? We talked about flat Earth.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I'm not a flat earther, but I'm
Speaker 1: also not of the belief that everything NASA tells us
Speaker 1: is real. And I don't think what we're on is
Speaker 1: exactly what they try to get us to believe that
Speaker 1: we're on. I'm more of possibly that it is some
Speaker 1: sort of and I think simulated reality is way too simple,
Speaker 1: but some sort of holographic reality that is highly malleable.
Speaker 1: And whether we're on a round ball or planet or not,
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you, but I'd love to hear your
Speaker 1: insights into it.
Speaker 6: Sure, I believe in two things. I believe in realm theory,
Speaker 6: and I believe so the holographic universe is actually you know,
Speaker 6: this is something that a field that studied in science,
Speaker 6: holographic universe. I touched on it a little bit when
Speaker 6: I was talking about how, you know, are the atoms
Speaker 6: that make make up everything in our physical world are
Speaker 6: mostly ninety nine point nine percent empty space. And we
Speaker 6: have the illusion that everything is solid because of the
Speaker 6: electromatic electromagnetic field that's generated by the electrons circling the nucleus.
Speaker 6: But when you get down to it, we're mostly nothing.
Speaker 6: I mean it's primary. I mean, if I believe the
Speaker 6: spiritual realm is the more solid real realm, and that
Speaker 6: our realm is actually the again, that's ninety nine point
Speaker 6: nine percent nothing. It's it's an illusion. It's a hologram.
Speaker 6: Like we look at the old Star Trek TV show
Speaker 6: from the eighties and nineties, they had what they call
Speaker 6: the Holo Deck, which was basically a hard light simulations.
Speaker 6: So yeah, we're we're in a simulation. But here's the thing.
Speaker 6: If you're in a simulation, then that means it's simulating
Speaker 6: something greater. And I think we're in a simulation of
Speaker 6: the spiritual realm. I think the spiritual realm is a real,
Speaker 6: solid realm, and so that when a I'm going to
Speaker 6: get to the the other half of what you were
Speaker 6: saying in a second, but I want to emphasize this
Speaker 6: when when we because we think of our world as
Speaker 6: like the solid world, and the spiritual realm is this
Speaker 6: you know, ethereal, fluffy, you know realm that you know
Speaker 6: it's just not real. So that if say an angel
Speaker 6: at Elohem were to materialize in our world, he would
Speaker 6: he would have to become more solid in order to
Speaker 6: interact with us. It's actually the opposite. When a spiritual
Speaker 6: being enters our realm, they have to become less. Look
Speaker 6: at it. Think of it like this. When you're you're
Speaker 6: flying in an airplane. You look out the window. You
Speaker 6: see these big billowing clouds, and you would just look
Speaker 6: at them and say, you know what the way they look.
Speaker 6: If I were to jump out of this plane and
Speaker 6: I land them the cloud, I would just you know,
Speaker 6: bounce around because they're like big balls of cotton. But
Speaker 6: we know that's not true. We know they're they're water vapor.
Speaker 6: They look solid, but if you were to jump out
Speaker 6: of the plane, you would just fall right through them
Speaker 6: because they're water vapor. The only way that cloud could
Speaker 6: support you is if you were able to reduce your mass,
Speaker 6: reduce your substance to the point where you were at
Speaker 6: the same weight or a little lighter than the cloud.
Speaker 6: Then you can interact with it and touch it and
Speaker 6: you move it around. Same thing with the spiritual beings.
Speaker 6: They have to reduce their their substance in order to
Speaker 6: interact with us. So the spiritual realm is a real realm.
Speaker 6: Our realm is a simulation of that realm. We're the
Speaker 6: ones that aren't real, so I believe. So that's why
Speaker 6: I believe in realm theory, that the spiritual realm isn't
Speaker 6: like in the sky someplaces far away. It's all around us.
Speaker 6: We just can't perceive it right now because it's way
Speaker 6: more solid than we are, and we're just not as
Speaker 6: we're dumber than our ancestors when the speed of light
Speaker 6: with faster, so we can't interact with it the same
Speaker 6: way as far as where we are cosmologically, just like you,
Speaker 6: I don't know for sure. I've never been to space,
Speaker 6: so I can't say that, but I don't believe. I
Speaker 6: believe NASA's not telling us the truth. I don't believe
Speaker 6: we've been to the Moon. I mean, because it makes
Speaker 6: no sense that we can't go back, And they say, well,
Speaker 6: how can why can't we go back? Well, they said
Speaker 6: we lost the technology in the sixties. Seriously, So you're
Speaker 6: telling me that we haven't advanced technologically in the last
Speaker 6: fifty plus years so that we can go back to
Speaker 6: the moon. Well, no, we lost it, Okay, I don't
Speaker 6: believe that at all, So I think the NASA's lying
Speaker 6: to us about it. Let me rephrase that, if we
Speaker 6: have gone to the moon, I don't think that what
Speaker 6: we saw with Neil Armstrong was that. I don't think
Speaker 6: that what we've been presented about going to the moon
Speaker 6: is truth. So I want to be clear there. Maybe
Speaker 6: maybe we have, maybe humanity has, but we haven't seen
Speaker 6: it the way they said we have.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah. As far as where light comes from, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think that you know, the sun, our sun is
Speaker 6: is our main source of physical light. But I think
Speaker 6: I think all light comes from the spiritual realm. I
Speaker 6: think it's an energy. I think we can we can
Speaker 6: generate light? I mean, right in front of you, you
Speaker 6: have a light in front of you, have one in
Speaker 6: front of me that's not from the sun, but because
Speaker 6: light is energy, but there's levels of it, Like you know,
Speaker 6: the ring light I have in front of my computer
Speaker 6: right now is nowhere near it as intense as the Sun.
Speaker 6: It's a far lesser light than the Sun than other stars.
Speaker 6: But as you know, as far as space is concerned,
Speaker 6: you know, I only know what I've seen through a
Speaker 6: telescope that there are, you know, sources of light out there.
Speaker 6: Exactly what they look like, I don't know because I
Speaker 6: haven't been there. Is the Earth round or flat? Honestly,
Speaker 6: I don't know. I have friends who are in the military,
Speaker 6: who were in who were airborne, and they've told me
Speaker 6: that they've gone upft you know, fourteen I think it's
Speaker 6: fourteen thousand miles or fourteen hundred miles whatever. They were
Speaker 6: hide up to see the curvature of the Earth. And I
Speaker 6: believe they were telling the truth. They had no reason
Speaker 6: to lie. They weren't trying to prove anything to me.
Speaker 6: They were just saying, give me their experience. However, there
Speaker 6: are some very compelling arguments for flat Earth that I
Speaker 6: can't ignore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very interesting and it's something that I
Speaker 1: love to have different perspectives because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: think everybody has a piece of the puzzle and we
Speaker 1: learn a little bit more from each person's perspective. Now,
Speaker 1: to close out, do you think that it's possible that
Speaker 1: what we're seeing now is a reflection that maybe light
Speaker 1: may have begun to speed back up in a way,
Speaker 1: because I see a lot of good things happening. I
Speaker 1: see a lot of people becoming more aware, a lot
Speaker 1: of people tapping into the spiritual realms, becoming aware of
Speaker 1: the corruption, not participating in some of the dystopian agendas.
Speaker 1: So I see a lot of good things happening as
Speaker 1: this awakening.
Speaker 2: Sort of unfold.
Speaker 1: Could that be correlated to what's happening with the speed
Speaker 1: of light?
Speaker 2: Do you think it could be?
Speaker 6: But I think that if that's happening, and I've seen
Speaker 6: it a lot too. I had a friend of mine
Speaker 6: who was just in Scotland a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 6: he was telling me that in Europe, because Europe is
Speaker 6: kind of ahead of us, for better or worse in
Speaker 6: a lot of ways, So they experienced the degradation of society,
Speaker 6: of their society faster, faster, and we have but a
Speaker 6: lot of them are rebelling against it and are saying,
Speaker 6: we don't want this anymore. So they're ahead of the curve.
Speaker 6: They were ahead of the curve with us on the
Speaker 6: on the downside, and they seem to be ahead of
Speaker 6: the curve than us on coming back. So I believe
Speaker 6: that there might be speeding up individually. I think that,
Speaker 6: And here's why I say that, because time technically, when
Speaker 6: you get down to it too, the Einsteinian definition time
Speaker 6: is perception. Our physical time is affected by how we
Speaker 6: perceive things. And the more you are in the light,
Speaker 6: the more it's the more light speeds up, but the
Speaker 6: more our perception of time slows down, which is kind
Speaker 6: of it's almost a juxtaposition, the more state because again
Speaker 6: light is order you know light, you know the light
Speaker 6: of God is it's more orderly and it slows things down,
Speaker 6: it's more static, whereas chaos moves faster. Chaos is always
Speaker 6: going crazy. So it's a it's interesting, I guess you
Speaker 6: could call it a contrastive aspect of it, that the
Speaker 6: slower light goes the faster chaos goes almost like the
Speaker 6: faster time goes, because I think we may. I don't
Speaker 6: think it's going out on a limit to say that
Speaker 6: things seem to be accelerating in a bad way. We've
Speaker 6: noticed like things are going faster, but because it's more chaotic.
Speaker 6: But once you are in again that state of flow
Speaker 6: that I talked about before, where you are in tune
Speaker 6: with your spiritual self, tune with your your uniqueness, and
Speaker 6: in tune with the light, things seem to slow down
Speaker 6: and things team seem to take longer. And because I
Speaker 6: think that the faster the speed of light is, the
Speaker 6: slower perception of time is. The slower the speed of
Speaker 6: light is, the faster perception of time is. So I
Speaker 6: think that as people become awakened, I think that things
Speaker 6: will slow down if there is a massive awakening, which
Speaker 6: would be great. But I think that again again, as
Speaker 6: a Christian, I believe that there have been seasons of
Speaker 6: revival where people come to spiritual awareness and it can
Speaker 6: stave off the darkness. But we're going to eventually get
Speaker 6: to the point where you know, I think I think
Speaker 6: we may be due for one last revival and then
Speaker 6: we're going off the cliff and things will start moving
Speaker 6: so quickly that they'll accelerate to the point where you know,
Speaker 6: you get to you know, to the point of no return,
Speaker 6: and then that's when I believe, you know, God will
Speaker 6: come back an equal out justice, as we see in
Speaker 6: the Book of Revelation, which I'm actually wrapping up a
Speaker 6: series that I've been doing, like sixty episodes where I
Speaker 6: just break down the entire Book of Revelation. So I'll
Speaker 6: leave you with this because I'm glad you you brought
Speaker 6: that up, because it's something I've I'm not ready to
Speaker 6: do a full show on, but it's something that was
Speaker 6: brought tune me up and lead through my prayers with God.
Speaker 3: He brought us to my attention.
Speaker 6: I'm still researching it. There's a saying that Jesus had
Speaker 6: and he gives an entire treatise on the future, on
Speaker 6: the end times. It's called the al of it discourse
Speaker 6: that occurs in Matthew chapter twenty four, and also a
Speaker 6: variation of it occurs in the books of Mark and Luke.
Speaker 6: One of the things he says is he's talking about,
Speaker 6: you know, the last seven years of human history, which
Speaker 6: you know Christians call the tribulation, where you know, the
Speaker 6: cataclysmic time of judgment and so forth. He says, if
Speaker 6: if those days were not shortened, there would be no
Speaker 6: flesh saved. But for the sake of the elect in
Speaker 6: this case the Jewish people, those days will be shortened.
Speaker 6: What do he mean by that? Did he mean he's
Speaker 6: going to be less than seven years. No, it's going
Speaker 6: to still be seven years. You know, you can't go
Speaker 6: back on that because he will be lying if he
Speaker 6: said it was seven years but not seven years.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 6: The only way the days could be shortened is if
Speaker 6: time is moving faster. So if there's less time to
Speaker 6: do you know, the the judgments and whatnot, are the
Speaker 6: evil that's going on, then you know, fewer people will
Speaker 6: will be suffering. So what that tells me is that
Speaker 6: as we get to the very very end before the
Speaker 6: Second Coming, things are going to be going exponentially faster,
Speaker 6: meaning so meaning there's less light, more darkness, which means
Speaker 6: more chaos. Things moving faster and time itself are perception
Speaker 6: of time going so fast that it shortens literally shortens
Speaker 6: the days. And if you want to see if there's
Speaker 6: any practical application of that, because how could we know
Speaker 6: as beings within physical time. How will we know whether
Speaker 6: or not time is slowing is speeding up? Just ask yourself,
Speaker 6: are you able to get as much done during the
Speaker 6: day as you used to?
Speaker 1: Man, that is my perpetual question. How can I get
Speaker 1: this done during the day?
Speaker 6: Yeah, so, I mean that's anecdotal, but I so. But
Speaker 6: if you go with the idea that you know, the
Speaker 6: closer you are to when you're having a spiritual experience,
Speaker 6: time slows down.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And one other way I'll leave because us I know
Speaker 6: we're coming up to time. You think about when you're dreaming.
Speaker 6: When you're dreaming, you're in what's called a state of flow.
Speaker 6: You're in that state of flow, You're in that spiritual,
Speaker 6: spiritual sense, you're all consciousness, and you were having what
Speaker 6: you think is a long dream, but it's not really.
Speaker 6: It's not really that long'll your dream is a few
Speaker 6: minutes long, but it feels like you've been dreaming for
Speaker 6: hours because when you're in that spiritual state, your perception
Speaker 6: of time slows down. I have this this bed because
Speaker 6: I've had some sleep issues and so I have a
Speaker 6: bed it's called I think it's called eight sleep where
Speaker 6: it basically monitors your your sleep cycle. And reports. It
Speaker 6: doesn't app that reports. My phone is what tells me
Speaker 6: how long I've been in deep sleep and light sleep,
Speaker 6: being in rim sleep. So I'll wake up and I
Speaker 6: look at it and it'll say you were in rim
Speaker 6: sleep right before you walk could You're usually in rim
Speaker 6: right before you wake up? So you were in rim
Speaker 6: sleep for three minutes?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 6: When are you talking about three minutes? That dream I
Speaker 6: had lasted for I like it lasted for a couple
Speaker 6: of hours. It's because my perception was slowing down. So time,
Speaker 6: the perception of time is slower as we're more in
Speaker 6: that spiritual consciousness state, and as we get away from it,
Speaker 6: as we're lower vibrational, as we're listening to the bad
Speaker 6: music and watching the pad movies, and just in this
Speaker 6: chaotic state, time goes fast. Our perception of time is faster.
Speaker 2: I love it.
Speaker 1: Man, You got me thinking, got the audience thinking, I'm
Speaker 1: sure ed. Thank you so much. This was great information.
Speaker 1: Love to have you back on soon. Well, there's much
Speaker 1: more we can discuss before you go. Let the audience
Speaker 1: know once again where they can find all your content.
Speaker 6: Sure, so, the best place to bind me is my website,
Speaker 6: Faith by Reason Dot net, not dot com.
Speaker 3: Dot net.
Speaker 6: I try to get dot com, but the person who
Speaker 6: olds it will not sell it to me for under
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Speaker 6: Faith Byreason dot net.
Speaker 1: Excellent, Thank you so much for coming on. We will
Speaker 1: definitely do this again. And until next time. Everyone, have
Speaker 1: an excellent evening. We'll talk again tomorrow.
Speaker 2: We'll see y'all then