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<v Speaker 1>When a religious leader aligns himself too closely with political extremism,

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<v Speaker 1>the consequences can be swift. Father Calvin Robinson, a right

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<v Speaker 1>wing priest with ties to the UK's far right movement,

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<v Speaker 1>was removed from his church after imitating the controversial salute

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<v Speaker 1>Elon must performed at Trump's inauguration rally. Robinson insists it

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<v Speaker 1>was a joke haha, meant to mock a liberal outrage,

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<v Speaker 1>but his dismissal raises larger questions. Where do we draw

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<v Speaker 1>the line between political expression and extremists signally, and when

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<v Speaker 1>religious figures embrace radical rhetoric, what does that say about

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<v Speaker 1>the intersection of faith in politics today. This story is

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<v Speaker 1>from The Daily Beast by Emil Darrah Adolphus on January thirtieth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. So I am coming to you first,

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<v Speaker 1>R Kelly, to me the question question with the question

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<v Speaker 1>for you to say, what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure that he was

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<v Speaker 2>just taking the love from his heart and throwing it

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<v Speaker 2>up to God. You know. Now, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>he said that or if his followers ever said that,

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<v Speaker 2>But after some of the bullshit excuses that I seem

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<v Speaker 2>given for Musk doing it. It seems real close to

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<v Speaker 2>something that I would expect to hear from him. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>grab love, Throw at the God, Grab love, throw at

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<v Speaker 2>the God, Throw at the Hile memes starring must Too.

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<v Speaker 2>That started out with, so, if you don't think this

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<v Speaker 2>is a Nazi salute, why don't you try it at work,

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<v Speaker 2>or try it in public, or try it at church.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy, I can't believe it. This guy actually

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<v Speaker 2>took time out from chewing on crayons to go do

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<v Speaker 2>it official presidential inauguration event. I mean that that takes

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<v Speaker 2>a special kind of thinking. And I don't mean special

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<v Speaker 2>in a good way. Cynthia, do you mean short bus special? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of think short bus special shout outs.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, That's what I was saying, shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>people in the short buses. We really actually expol you,

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<v Speaker 1>more so than Elon Musk or any of his minions.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking of minions, Eli, what does he does a minion.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm expecting everybody's joy after this segment is over. But Pili,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a question for you. What does Father Calvin

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson's dismissal reveal about the boundaries religious institutions set for

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<v Speaker 1>political engagement.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I was surprised pleasantly to see the Anglican Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>Church like respond that way because it was a group

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<v Speaker 3>that I didn't expect standing up to hate in a

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<v Speaker 3>way that I didn't expect. So I actually like props

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<v Speaker 3>to them for that. But I think it's sort of

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<v Speaker 3>that's I think that's setting the example. I think that's

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<v Speaker 3>the way that all, like religious organizations should look at

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<v Speaker 3>political messages of any sort, regardless of the fact that, like,

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<v Speaker 3>how ridiculous this one is, and I have so much

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<v Speaker 3>to say about that, but that's how, you know, religious

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<v Speaker 3>organizations should be handling religious messages or excuse me, political messages,

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<v Speaker 3>because that's not their realm. That's not what they're supposed

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<v Speaker 3>to be involved in, and those things they're supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be separate. So yeah, I'm glad that he had a

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<v Speaker 3>consequence for doing something so stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>Eli.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow up question for you, Are you, familigear with the

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<v Speaker 1>inaur ural address that happened with Minister Buddy from the

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<v Speaker 1>from the I believe the the Anglican Church that's in Washington,

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm not okay, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Minister Buddy is the head minister at the at the

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<v Speaker 1>cathedral in Washington, d C. She gave an address imploring

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<v Speaker 1>uh Jadie Vance and also President Trump to be more

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<v Speaker 1>conciliatory to the sojournal which would be the immigrant to

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<v Speaker 1>those who happen to be Yeah. Yeah, So if we

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<v Speaker 1>take Father Robinson's piles and we compare it to Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Bud's message, what is the difference that we can take

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<v Speaker 1>from both of those messages and how we should be

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<v Speaker 1>addressing certain you know, things that come certain rhetorics that

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<v Speaker 1>does come up in a political sphere to our leaders.

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<v Speaker 3>I think firstly, it shows a consistency because I think,

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<v Speaker 3>did you say that it's the same organization, Right, they're both.

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<v Speaker 2>Church.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not the same church, but they are the same organization.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, because I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>They are that way. In fact, I was going to

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<v Speaker 2>make a comment about that, because this minister is from

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<v Speaker 2>the Anglican Catholic Church, right, and the Anglican Church split

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<v Speaker 2>off of the Catholic Church. This guy is from a

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<v Speaker 2>smaller group church. That's uh, that became that came after

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<v Speaker 2>that split up. That's not it's not the Anglican Church.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not the Catholic Church. It's a third church

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<v Speaker 2>that that of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well okay, okay, well I guess so we can. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm using and confusing it is especially since like Anglicans

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<v Speaker 1>do still consider themselves a little sea Catholic. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>the creed, you know, they believe in one Catholic, Holy

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<v Speaker 1>Apostolic Church. You know, don't give me to say the

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<v Speaker 1>creed because I can on demand and I will not.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, but they're still but they're still in

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<v Speaker 1>no problem.

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<v Speaker 4>But there.

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<v Speaker 1>But but okay, but even if even if like father

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson is from the Anglican Catholic Church and a minister

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<v Speaker 1>Bud is from the Anglican Church, they still hold similar

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<v Speaker 1>positions in their respective organizations and do have responsibilities, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say, when it comes to addressing their congregations and

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<v Speaker 1>especially those who would be leaders and also who happen

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<v Speaker 1>to serve in the White House, in the Federal Branch,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. Right, So if we can compare and compare,

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<v Speaker 1>if we could, if we could do a comparing and

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<v Speaker 1>a contrasting of both of their messages, you know, would

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<v Speaker 1>which one would you say is the message that we

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<v Speaker 1>should be giving and which one is is not and

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<v Speaker 1>is and and should we be more on the portion

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<v Speaker 1>of beating down minister bud because minister but Buddy because

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<v Speaker 1>she would be considered more a more liberal in her

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<v Speaker 1>messaging to Trump versus Father Robinson.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean, I think if you're gonna compare both

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<v Speaker 3>of those messages to what the like regardless of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>what we think about the divine claims of Jesus in

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<v Speaker 3>the Bible, there is a message that Jesus is said

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<v Speaker 3>to have preached. If you're going to compare both of

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<v Speaker 3>those messages from minister Buddy, who were being told now

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<v Speaker 3>is from the Episcopal Church and through Reverend Calvin Robinson

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<v Speaker 3>I think was his name, we're going to compare those

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<v Speaker 3>two messages to that of the alleged message of Jesus. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>minister Buddy is much much closer like to to you know,

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<v Speaker 3>be loving and welcoming and inclusive and and and and

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<v Speaker 3>have community. And two for Robinson, for him to display

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<v Speaker 3>the gesture the which symbolizes it's it's so much more

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<v Speaker 3>than just like, oh like it's a Hitler joke, Lol,

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<v Speaker 3>It's so much more than that. And and it represents

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<v Speaker 3>something much more sinister and much darker and much more hateful.

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<v Speaker 3>And that just doesn't align whether you believe that that

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<v Speaker 3>Jesus was real, whether you believe he was the son

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<v Speaker 3>of God, whatever the case is, you can't make the

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<v Speaker 3>case convincingly that that aligns with his message. So I

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<v Speaker 3>think as far as answering your question, like minister Buddy,

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<v Speaker 3>is you know the one that I would hope more

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<v Speaker 3>people are going to pay more attention to.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would hope so too. I think that her

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<v Speaker 1>message is more in ligned with what Jesus would have preached,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when we're looking at the Sermon on the Mouth

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<v Speaker 1>and we're looking at the latitudes, right.

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<v Speaker 5>Spirit, Helen help me from property, my goodness, Helen, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 5>and I well, you know, Helen, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Always preface like your your your you know, musings with thoughts,

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<v Speaker 1>so please offer them on this. Well okay, so, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you have thoughts on this, many thoughts on as you do.

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<v Speaker 4>The church. And it's a long history with fascism. The

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<v Speaker 4>Catholic Church had a very long history with fascism. This

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<v Speaker 4>is so am I surprised that some preachers might be,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, letting their white supremacy show. I don't. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>not surprised at all. What I think it's really funny

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<v Speaker 4>is that Robinson tried to throw it back onto liberals

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<v Speaker 4>by saying that he got He alleged that he received

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<v Speaker 4>hundreds of nasty calls, text voice emails from very bitter, angry,

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<v Speaker 4>vile leftists, and then he started to throw that, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we're the fascists because they are often the very thing

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<v Speaker 4>that you think the accuse you of. Robinson, I am

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<v Speaker 4>not a Nazi, but I forgive you for your ignorance.

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<v Speaker 4>Well good for you, sir. I just this isn't even

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<v Speaker 4>the pot calling the kettle black. This is they're like,

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<v Speaker 4>these are two separate, completely separate things, because we're over

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<v Speaker 4>here for two.

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<v Speaker 2>You just let me get this straight. For a second,

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<v Speaker 2>he was complaining that liberals were making fun of him

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<v Speaker 2>for him making fun of them. Yep, okay, and he.

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<v Speaker 4>Because hundreds he got hundreds of nasty calls and texts

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<v Speaker 4>and voicemails. Hundreds everybody. I don't know that's true, don't really.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope it is. I really hope there were hundreds

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<v Speaker 4>of people like up his butt, going like, you can't

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<v Speaker 4>make these symbols, you can't even do it jokingly because

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<v Speaker 4>nobody finds it funny. Like whenever we see that, we're like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh no, you're not supposed to do that, because we

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<v Speaker 4>for a very long time we were like, okay, you

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<v Speaker 4>can go be a terrible person over there, and we

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to know that you're a terrible person. And

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<v Speaker 4>now it just seems like the terrible people are like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just going to tell you how terrible I am.

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<v Speaker 4>And it just really bothers me when they're the ones,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, promoting these disgusting ideas and then they try

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<v Speaker 4>to throw it onto us like no, really, we're the baddies,

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<v Speaker 4>and I find that hilarious and don't that protest too much?

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<v Speaker 4>So that's just that's just my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>It's your opinion. And also, for those who did not

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to get your hundreds of calls in

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<v Speaker 1>to father Calvin Robinson, his number is seven seven, seven

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<v Speaker 1>ninety three eleven. Baby, I'll spend the night with you

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<v Speaker 1>if that's all right, Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>So a question is that part of the number.

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<v Speaker 1>It is now.

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<v Speaker 4>For a good time.

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<v Speaker 1>For a good time, guys, is close to Valentine's Day.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that all of us are in a Randy Mood.

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<v Speaker 4>So check this out. Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let me ask this question to the panel concerning

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<v Speaker 1>the role of social media. So you know, remember it

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, father Calvin Robinson who was making these

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<v Speaker 1>claims that he was getting all these calls and that

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<v Speaker 1>people were being mean to him on the X platforms

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<v Speaker 1>and the Chiky talkies. So we wanted to, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>see what actual role the social media play in amplifying

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<v Speaker 1>or distorting the political and really just messaging that he

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<v Speaker 1>was trying to convey. If any Kelly, I'll start with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you always start with me. Damn you said.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because you have a cool tie, or.

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<v Speaker 2>I will give you that. Oh I think you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this whole thing really started with social media,

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<v Speaker 2>right with Elon Musk doing it, and then the social

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<v Speaker 2>media reaction to that, and then Robinson doing this in

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<v Speaker 2>particular incident to make fun of the social media reaction. So,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it does play a very important role in

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<v Speaker 2>politics today, in our society today, because we take things,

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<v Speaker 2>these small things like this and amplify them into big,

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<v Speaker 2>huge things. Now, is it warranted in this case, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's always warranted to blow up what Nazis are doing

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<v Speaker 2>and to make them the bad guy. That is always warranted,

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<v Speaker 2>right in my book anyway, But I don't know that,

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<v Speaker 2>like some of the stuff gets blown up out in

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<v Speaker 2>the something big is actually warranted. The hawk twa girl

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<v Speaker 2>recently is a good example. I mean, what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>was that about?

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<v Speaker 4>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, our society would have been much better off

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<v Speaker 2>without her. I honestly believe that we got no enrichment

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<v Speaker 2>out of that. So social media does play a really

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<v Speaker 2>really important part in our world today, for better and

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<v Speaker 2>for worse.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you said something about a social media thing

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<v Speaker 4>that I don't know what you're talking about, and apparently

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<v Speaker 4>it's a good thing. I don't know about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Helen, you live in ignorance.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good place for you. I personally wish that

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<v Speaker 1>I've never learned. And it's actually the hawk Tua girl.

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<v Speaker 3>You're better off without it, Helen.

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<v Speaker 5>Less, Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your thoughts?

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<v Speaker 4>Thunder Cat Undercat?

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<v Speaker 6>I agree that I think that the reaction to to

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<v Speaker 6>Elon Musk's doing it initially is what is what led

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<v Speaker 6>to Robinson realizing that it would be like, oh if

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<v Speaker 6>I do this, not only is it going to be

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<v Speaker 6>like this huge deal. But it's like it's it's not

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<v Speaker 6>just him doing it now, it's in.

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<v Speaker 3>Solidarity with like the people who are in power in

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<v Speaker 3>the United States, so he's currying favor. So it's it

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<v Speaker 3>was because of that reaction that it sort of became

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<v Speaker 3>it's a meme essentially, like it's it's it's uh the

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<v Speaker 3>that that party has become a meme alongside with like

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<v Speaker 3>that that gesture and uh for him to I guess

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<v Speaker 3>declare his loyalty or to his solidarity. He decided like, yep,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what I'm going to do, and he felt like

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<v Speaker 3>he could get away with it, which I think is insane.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh, But as I said before, luckily he did pet cat.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes. So I like anything with social media, it's like

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<v Speaker 4>a double edged sword, you know, Like as Kelly was saying, like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, there's like this definitely should have been a

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<v Speaker 4>social social media story because we want people to be

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<v Speaker 4>aware that if his values do not align with yours,

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<v Speaker 4>and especially if you're a member of that church and

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<v Speaker 4>you weren't at church that Sunday, maybe you should be

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<v Speaker 4>like oh no, oh no, and go find another church

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<v Speaker 4>and find somebody that aligns with your values. And get

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I hope he got hundreds of calls. Like

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<v Speaker 4>I said before, I hope he did. That is the

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<v Speaker 4>proper reaction to somebody being a fascist. Butthead that is

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<v Speaker 4>the proper reaction. As far as other things that get attention,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that they need to have as much attention.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, Trump wanting to rename the Gulf of Mexico

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<v Speaker 4>the Gulf of America. Now I find it funny and

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<v Speaker 4>it's not going to happen, and it's stupid. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 4>feel like it. Give me a little blip. But it's

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<v Speaker 4>been kind of carrying on for a couple of weeks now,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm just at this point where I'm kind of like, dude,

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, there's bigger fish to fry than worrying

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<v Speaker 4>about like this particular thing. Like I'm more concerned about

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on in like government offices. I'm more concerted with,

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<v Speaker 4>like go out all the executive orders that he's signing

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<v Speaker 4>and so on and so forth. Like those are the

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<v Speaker 4>real concerns Elon having cablanche to do whatever he wants,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, as far as you know how we run

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<v Speaker 4>our government. Those are the things I'm worried about so though,

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<v Speaker 4>like the example of like, you know, Trump and is

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<v Speaker 4>weird Golf of Mexico thing, like whatever, it's funny and weird,

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<v Speaker 4>but I don't think it should be as ample flight

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<v Speaker 4>really scary problems right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, indeed, well, if I were just to pontificate, just

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<v Speaker 1>attack bit with my.

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<v Speaker 4>Final thoughts, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Father Calvin Robinson again for a good Time called seven

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<v Speaker 1>seven seven ninety three eleven Dismissals highlights the growing tension

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<v Speaker 1>between religious leadership and political extremism. His claim that the

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<v Speaker 1>salute was merely a joke underscores a broader trend where

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<v Speaker 1>controversial figures deflect accountability by blaming public rhetoric and reaction

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<v Speaker 1>rather than their own actions. Meanwhile, the Anglican Catholic Church,

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<v Speaker 1>Little Sea Catholic, wherever you want to say it swift

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<v Speaker 1>response suggests an effort to distance itself from inflammatory rhetoric.

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<v Speaker 1>As faith and politics continue to intertwine, which they should not.

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<v Speaker 1>This incident raises critical questions about the responsibilities of religious leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>the power of symbolism, and the fine line between political

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<v Speaker 1>expression and ideological signaling,