Speaker 1: When a religious leader aligns himself too closely with political extremism,
Speaker 1: the consequences can be swift. Father Calvin Robinson, a right
Speaker 1: wing priest with ties to the UK's far right movement,
Speaker 1: was removed from his church after imitating the controversial salute
Speaker 1: Elon must performed at Trump's inauguration rally. Robinson insists it
Speaker 1: was a joke haha, meant to mock a liberal outrage,
Speaker 1: but his dismissal raises larger questions. Where do we draw
Speaker 1: the line between political expression and extremists signally, and when
Speaker 1: religious figures embrace radical rhetoric, what does that say about
Speaker 1: the intersection of faith in politics today. This story is
Speaker 1: from The Daily Beast by Emil Darrah Adolphus on January thirtieth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So I am coming to you first,
Speaker 1: R Kelly, to me the question question with the question
Speaker 1: for you to say, what's on your mind?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm sure, you know, I'm sure that he was
Speaker 2: just taking the love from his heart and throwing it
Speaker 2: up to God. You know. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 2: he said that or if his followers ever said that,
Speaker 2: But after some of the bullshit excuses that I seem
Speaker 2: given for Musk doing it. It seems real close to
Speaker 2: something that I would expect to hear from him. You know,
Speaker 2: grab love, Throw at the God, Grab love, throw at
Speaker 2: the God, Throw at the Hile memes starring must Too.
Speaker 2: That started out with, so, if you don't think this
Speaker 2: is a Nazi salute, why don't you try it at work,
Speaker 2: or try it in public, or try it at church.
Speaker 2: And this guy, I can't believe it. This guy actually
Speaker 2: took time out from chewing on crayons to go do
Speaker 2: it official presidential inauguration event. I mean that that takes
Speaker 2: a special kind of thinking. And I don't mean special
Speaker 2: in a good way. Cynthia, do you mean short bus special? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I kind of think short bus special shout outs.
Speaker 1: You know, That's what I was saying, shout out to
Speaker 1: people in the short buses. We really actually expol you,
Speaker 1: more so than Elon Musk or any of his minions.
Speaker 1: But speaking of minions, Eli, what does he does a minion.
Speaker 1: I'm expecting everybody's joy after this segment is over. But Pili,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. What does Father Calvin
Speaker 1: Robinson's dismissal reveal about the boundaries religious institutions set for
Speaker 1: political engagement.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I was surprised pleasantly to see the Anglican Catholic
Speaker 3: Church like respond that way because it was a group
Speaker 3: that I didn't expect standing up to hate in a
Speaker 3: way that I didn't expect. So I actually like props
Speaker 3: to them for that. But I think it's sort of
Speaker 3: that's I think that's setting the example. I think that's
Speaker 3: the way that all, like religious organizations should look at
Speaker 3: political messages of any sort, regardless of the fact that, like,
Speaker 3: how ridiculous this one is, and I have so much
Speaker 3: to say about that, but that's how, you know, religious
Speaker 3: organizations should be handling religious messages or excuse me, political messages,
Speaker 3: because that's not their realm. That's not what they're supposed
Speaker 3: to be involved in, and those things they're supposed to
Speaker 3: be separate. So yeah, I'm glad that he had a
Speaker 3: consequence for doing something so stupid.
Speaker 1: Eli.
Speaker 4: I have a.
Speaker 1: Follow up question for you, Are you, familigear with the
Speaker 1: inaur ural address that happened with Minister Buddy from the
Speaker 1: from the I believe the the Anglican Church that's in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not okay, So.
Speaker 1: Minister Buddy is the head minister at the at the
Speaker 1: cathedral in Washington, d C. She gave an address imploring
Speaker 1: uh Jadie Vance and also President Trump to be more
Speaker 1: conciliatory to the sojournal which would be the immigrant to
Speaker 1: those who happen to be Yeah. Yeah, So if we
Speaker 1: take Father Robinson's piles and we compare it to Minister
Speaker 1: Bud's message, what is the difference that we can take
Speaker 1: from both of those messages and how we should be
Speaker 1: addressing certain you know, things that come certain rhetorics that
Speaker 1: does come up in a political sphere to our leaders.
Speaker 3: I think firstly, it shows a consistency because I think,
Speaker 3: did you say that it's the same organization, Right, they're both.
Speaker 2: Church.
Speaker 1: They're not the same church, but they are the same organization.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, because I don't think.
Speaker 2: They are that way. In fact, I was going to
Speaker 2: make a comment about that, because this minister is from
Speaker 2: the Anglican Catholic Church, right, and the Anglican Church split
Speaker 2: off of the Catholic Church. This guy is from a
Speaker 2: smaller group church. That's uh, that became that came after
Speaker 2: that split up. That's not it's not the Anglican Church.
Speaker 2: And it's not the Catholic Church. It's a third church
Speaker 2: that that of it.
Speaker 1: Well okay, okay, well I guess so we can. But
Speaker 1: I'm using and confusing it is especially since like Anglicans
Speaker 1: do still consider themselves a little sea Catholic. It's in
Speaker 1: the creed, you know, they believe in one Catholic, Holy
Speaker 1: Apostolic Church. You know, don't give me to say the
Speaker 1: creed because I can on demand and I will not.
Speaker 1: But you know, but they're still but they're still in
Speaker 1: no problem.
Speaker 4: But there.
Speaker 1: But but okay, but even if even if like father
Speaker 1: Robinson is from the Anglican Catholic Church and a minister
Speaker 1: Bud is from the Anglican Church, they still hold similar
Speaker 1: positions in their respective organizations and do have responsibilities, I
Speaker 1: would say, when it comes to addressing their congregations and
Speaker 1: especially those who would be leaders and also who happen
Speaker 1: to serve in the White House, in the Federal Branch,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Right, So if we can compare and compare,
Speaker 1: if we could, if we could do a comparing and
Speaker 1: a contrasting of both of their messages, you know, would
Speaker 1: which one would you say is the message that we
Speaker 1: should be giving and which one is is not and
Speaker 1: is and and should we be more on the portion
Speaker 1: of beating down minister bud because minister but Buddy because
Speaker 1: she would be considered more a more liberal in her
Speaker 1: messaging to Trump versus Father Robinson.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think if you're gonna compare both
Speaker 3: of those messages to what the like regardless of you know,
Speaker 3: what we think about the divine claims of Jesus in
Speaker 3: the Bible, there is a message that Jesus is said
Speaker 3: to have preached. If you're going to compare both of
Speaker 3: those messages from minister Buddy, who were being told now
Speaker 3: is from the Episcopal Church and through Reverend Calvin Robinson
Speaker 3: I think was his name, we're going to compare those
Speaker 3: two messages to that of the alleged message of Jesus. Obviously,
Speaker 3: minister Buddy is much much closer like to to you know,
Speaker 3: be loving and welcoming and inclusive and and and and
Speaker 3: have community. And two for Robinson, for him to display
Speaker 3: the gesture the which symbolizes it's it's so much more
Speaker 3: than just like, oh like it's a Hitler joke, Lol,
Speaker 3: It's so much more than that. And and it represents
Speaker 3: something much more sinister and much darker and much more hateful.
Speaker 3: And that just doesn't align whether you believe that that
Speaker 3: Jesus was real, whether you believe he was the son
Speaker 3: of God, whatever the case is, you can't make the
Speaker 3: case convincingly that that aligns with his message. So I
Speaker 3: think as far as answering your question, like minister Buddy,
Speaker 3: is you know the one that I would hope more
Speaker 3: people are going to pay more attention to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would hope so too. I think that her
Speaker 1: message is more in ligned with what Jesus would have preached,
Speaker 1: especially when we're looking at the Sermon on the Mouth
Speaker 1: and we're looking at the latitudes, right.
Speaker 5: Spirit, Helen help me from property, my goodness, Helen, go ahead,
Speaker 5: and I well, you know, Helen, I.
Speaker 1: Always preface like your your your you know, musings with thoughts,
Speaker 1: so please offer them on this. Well okay, so, yes,
Speaker 1: you have thoughts on this, many thoughts on as you do.
Speaker 4: The church. And it's a long history with fascism. The
Speaker 4: Catholic Church had a very long history with fascism. This
Speaker 4: is so am I surprised that some preachers might be,
Speaker 4: you know, letting their white supremacy show. I don't. I'm
Speaker 4: not surprised at all. What I think it's really funny
Speaker 4: is that Robinson tried to throw it back onto liberals
Speaker 4: by saying that he got He alleged that he received
Speaker 4: hundreds of nasty calls, text voice emails from very bitter, angry,
Speaker 4: vile leftists, and then he started to throw that, well,
Speaker 4: we're the fascists because they are often the very thing
Speaker 4: that you think the accuse you of. Robinson, I am
Speaker 4: not a Nazi, but I forgive you for your ignorance.
Speaker 4: Well good for you, sir. I just this isn't even
Speaker 4: the pot calling the kettle black. This is they're like,
Speaker 4: these are two separate, completely separate things, because we're over
Speaker 4: here for two.
Speaker 2: You just let me get this straight. For a second,
Speaker 2: he was complaining that liberals were making fun of him
Speaker 2: for him making fun of them. Yep, okay, and he.
Speaker 4: Because hundreds he got hundreds of nasty calls and texts
Speaker 4: and voicemails. Hundreds everybody. I don't know that's true, don't really.
Speaker 4: I hope it is. I really hope there were hundreds
Speaker 4: of people like up his butt, going like, you can't
Speaker 4: make these symbols, you can't even do it jokingly because
Speaker 4: nobody finds it funny. Like whenever we see that, we're like,
Speaker 4: oh no, you're not supposed to do that, because we
Speaker 4: for a very long time we were like, okay, you
Speaker 4: can go be a terrible person over there, and we
Speaker 4: don't want to know that you're a terrible person. And
Speaker 4: now it just seems like the terrible people are like,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to tell you how terrible I am.
Speaker 4: And it just really bothers me when they're the ones,
Speaker 4: you know, promoting these disgusting ideas and then they try
Speaker 4: to throw it onto us like no, really, we're the baddies,
Speaker 4: and I find that hilarious and don't that protest too much?
Speaker 4: So that's just that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: It's your opinion. And also, for those who did not
Speaker 1: get a chance to get your hundreds of calls in
Speaker 1: to father Calvin Robinson, his number is seven seven, seven
Speaker 1: ninety three eleven. Baby, I'll spend the night with you
Speaker 1: if that's all right, Okay.
Speaker 6: So a question is that part of the number.
Speaker 1: It is now.
Speaker 4: For a good time.
Speaker 1: For a good time, guys, is close to Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: I know that all of us are in a Randy Mood.
Speaker 4: So check this out. Guys.
Speaker 1: Let's let me ask this question to the panel concerning
Speaker 1: the role of social media. So you know, remember it
Speaker 1: was you know, father Calvin Robinson who was making these
Speaker 1: claims that he was getting all these calls and that
Speaker 1: people were being mean to him on the X platforms
Speaker 1: and the Chiky talkies. So we wanted to, you know,
Speaker 1: see what actual role the social media play in amplifying
Speaker 1: or distorting the political and really just messaging that he
Speaker 1: was trying to convey. If any Kelly, I'll start with you.
Speaker 2: Oh you always start with me. Damn you said.
Speaker 1: That's because you have a cool tie, or.
Speaker 2: I will give you that. Oh I think you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, this whole thing really started with social media,
Speaker 2: right with Elon Musk doing it, and then the social
Speaker 2: media reaction to that, and then Robinson doing this in
Speaker 2: particular incident to make fun of the social media reaction. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, it does play a very important role in
Speaker 2: politics today, in our society today, because we take things,
Speaker 2: these small things like this and amplify them into big,
Speaker 2: huge things. Now, is it warranted in this case, Yes,
Speaker 2: it's always warranted to blow up what Nazis are doing
Speaker 2: and to make them the bad guy. That is always warranted,
Speaker 2: right in my book anyway, But I don't know that,
Speaker 2: like some of the stuff gets blown up out in
Speaker 2: the something big is actually warranted. The hawk twa girl
Speaker 2: recently is a good example. I mean, what the hell
Speaker 2: was that about?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, our society would have been much better off
Speaker 2: without her. I honestly believe that we got no enrichment
Speaker 2: out of that. So social media does play a really
Speaker 2: really important part in our world today, for better and
Speaker 2: for worse.
Speaker 4: I know you said something about a social media thing
Speaker 4: that I don't know what you're talking about, and apparently
Speaker 4: it's a good thing. I don't know about it.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Helen, you live in ignorance.
Speaker 1: It's a good place for you. I personally wish that
Speaker 1: I've never learned. And it's actually the hawk Tua girl.
Speaker 3: You're better off without it, Helen.
Speaker 5: Less, Yes, yes, yes, yes, Well.
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Thunder Cat Undercat?
Speaker 6: I agree that I think that the reaction to to
Speaker 6: Elon Musk's doing it initially is what is what led
Speaker 6: to Robinson realizing that it would be like, oh if
Speaker 6: I do this, not only is it going to be
Speaker 6: like this huge deal. But it's like it's it's not
Speaker 6: just him doing it now, it's in.
Speaker 3: Solidarity with like the people who are in power in
Speaker 3: the United States, so he's currying favor. So it's it
Speaker 3: was because of that reaction that it sort of became
Speaker 3: it's a meme essentially, like it's it's it's uh the
Speaker 3: that that party has become a meme alongside with like
Speaker 3: that that gesture and uh for him to I guess
Speaker 3: declare his loyalty or to his solidarity. He decided like, yep,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm going to do, and he felt like
Speaker 3: he could get away with it, which I think is insane.
Speaker 6: Uh, But as I said before, luckily he did pet cat.
Speaker 4: Yes. So I like anything with social media, it's like
Speaker 4: a double edged sword, you know, Like as Kelly was saying, like,
Speaker 4: you know, there's like this definitely should have been a
Speaker 4: social social media story because we want people to be
Speaker 4: aware that if his values do not align with yours,
Speaker 4: and especially if you're a member of that church and
Speaker 4: you weren't at church that Sunday, maybe you should be
Speaker 4: like oh no, oh no, and go find another church
Speaker 4: and find somebody that aligns with your values. And get
Speaker 4: I mean, I hope he got hundreds of calls. Like
Speaker 4: I said before, I hope he did. That is the
Speaker 4: proper reaction to somebody being a fascist. Butthead that is
Speaker 4: the proper reaction. As far as other things that get attention,
Speaker 4: I don't think that they need to have as much attention.
Speaker 4: For example, Trump wanting to rename the Gulf of Mexico
Speaker 4: the Gulf of America. Now I find it funny and
Speaker 4: it's not going to happen, and it's stupid. Okay, I
Speaker 4: feel like it. Give me a little blip. But it's
Speaker 4: been kind of carrying on for a couple of weeks now,
Speaker 4: and I'm just at this point where I'm kind of like, dude,
Speaker 4: It's like, well, there's bigger fish to fry than worrying
Speaker 4: about like this particular thing. Like I'm more concerned about
Speaker 4: what's going on in like government offices. I'm more concerted with,
Speaker 4: like go out all the executive orders that he's signing
Speaker 4: and so on and so forth. Like those are the
Speaker 4: real concerns Elon having cablanche to do whatever he wants,
Speaker 4: you know, as far as you know how we run
Speaker 4: our government. Those are the things I'm worried about so though,
Speaker 4: like the example of like, you know, Trump and is
Speaker 4: weird Golf of Mexico thing, like whatever, it's funny and weird,
Speaker 4: but I don't think it should be as ample flight
Speaker 4: as much as it should when we're facing some real, fucking,
Speaker 4: really scary problems right now.
Speaker 1: Indeed, indeed, well, if I were just to pontificate, just
Speaker 1: attack bit with my.
Speaker 4: Final thoughts, guys.
Speaker 1: Father Calvin Robinson again for a good Time called seven
Speaker 1: seven seven ninety three eleven Dismissals highlights the growing tension
Speaker 1: between religious leadership and political extremism. His claim that the
Speaker 1: salute was merely a joke underscores a broader trend where
Speaker 1: controversial figures deflect accountability by blaming public rhetoric and reaction
Speaker 1: rather than their own actions. Meanwhile, the Anglican Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: Little Sea Catholic, wherever you want to say it swift
Speaker 1: response suggests an effort to distance itself from inflammatory rhetoric.
Speaker 1: As faith and politics continue to intertwine, which they should not.
Speaker 1: This incident raises critical questions about the responsibilities of religious leaders,
Speaker 1: the power of symbolism, and the fine line between political
Speaker 1: expression and ideological signaling,