Speaker 1: And we are back, so go up all the way.
Speaker 2: Kevin Davis, thanks for joining us again, and thanks everybody
joining us on Tuesday, meaning curriculum in the Fiery Chat.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you have anything about our topics, anything else,
throw them in there.
Speaker 2: It was a fun time and we're gonna talk about
some bunch of stuff here right now. But Kevin Daves
to start us off, we're gonna Fantastic four predictions, so
we're gonna have a box office or excitement the movie chat,
GPTs and men, credit stuff, et cetera. But Ken News says,
Fantastic four First Steps. I man, I completely forgot that's
the title. I forgot that it's first step.
Speaker 3: I forgot the first steps too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until Daves's calling here, Fantastic four First Steps have
nothing to prove it all. Marble Steels will bounce back
with Avengers Doomsday and Secret Wars.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have.
Speaker 2: I don't completely agree if you kept so, I'm on
a fifty to fifty with your statement. I agree no
matter what happened, this movie can make two dollars and
I think they will bounce back with Avengers Doomsday series.
It's funny the way that this episode we're talking about
dc I feel like the topics keep coming up, and
it's not bad.
Speaker 1: I think it's just.
Speaker 2: Because we're in We're literally in the middle of DCU
starting and MCU trying to recover, and I feel like
this comes up because people have different.
Speaker 1: Takes, and now it's like same thing.
Speaker 2: We couldn't talk about the DCU till we saw the
Superman success now right, And same thing with the Fantastic Four.
Speaker 1: I agree in a.
Speaker 2: Few ways where no matter what, Doomsday and Secret Wars,
I think those are checkout. Dynamic Duo talk about it
with them as well. I think, no matter what, those
are billion dollar movies, I think you could they could
far in the win. They're billion dollars, so I think
money wise they will bounce back. But you and me
have been talking about this like just like you know,
just offcast whatnot. I've said this before where I still
think those have to be good, though I said some
Dynamic do that. I think both Doomsday and Secret Wars
have to be like an eight out of ten range
for most people, even if it's seven.
Speaker 1: If you have people leaving your big.
Speaker 2: Tier movies, because like the other stuff, Thunderbolts Captain Marvel
like the Marvel's Captain America. They can go see it
and go, Okay, well, you know, I didn't really enjoy
this whatever, And now it's like maybe they won't go
back to see Captain America five or like the Marvels
three or whatever. Right, but with the Avengers and Spider
Man two, they can't make a really bad Tomholme movie.
Speaker 1: I know some feel like a Far from Home it
is not good.
Speaker 2: Far from Home is nowhere near a bad like it's
it's my least favorite of his trilogy. But it's like,
that's not a bad movie in my opinion, Like there
is much much worse combic fair out there that is
in a different tratsphere. But to me, if they go
see the big brand movie they say the top tier
Ones and Avengers sucks or is disappointing. That's where I
don't think the bounce back. They'll bounce back money wise,
but then if people leave disappointed from those two big movies,
it will people start to lose faith in the brand overall,
and they will the next time Avengers happens. I will
not say it'll be a billion dollar. Same thing with
X Men maybe people go see because X men, they
might go, h this kind of Marvel stuff has been
kind of shitty, And that's where gun is in the
perfect position. He is the perfect position to strike like
a fucking viper and take over, because if he can
make good stuff and Marvel starts to trip on their
big stuff, then like it's like a matter of clay
face sucks, it'll sure matter if Avengers seekret war sucks,
you know. So it's kind of a good thing right
now that James Gunn is just kind of rock in
his his smaller stuff. So I and the other part
I disagree with the althro you Taylor of they have
nothing to prove at all.
Speaker 1: I think they do. I think to me it's proving
as far as.
Speaker 2: Marvel would love this to be a big hit, because
if you have a big hit at that fourth that
means you go out Fantastic four two and like you
got a trilogy.
Speaker 1: You have new characters that could bank and be your.
Speaker 2: New Tony or cap right. And the other thing I
think it has to prove is I hear talk about
all time. You know a friend of the show, William
from sci Fi Center. When I was on vodka stream
he said something that he considers them a tier, and
he's like, no Marvel character that's eight has never made
less than seven hundred or seven hundred million. And I
just said, like, I don't think Fantastic Four our a tier.
I think for comic book readers, yes, they're the first family,
very important to the history of comic books of Marvel.
But like Tara, when you think of characters like for
the Ga, do you think they Fantastic Four are considered
eight tier?
Speaker 1: No, I don't. And we looked about this. Oh, I
guess it's mean Kirkle, And we looked about this and I.
Speaker 2: Didn't fucking too. We've been so busy. The streams are
all over my mind. But there's been no Fantastic Four
movie that I think has made more than.
Speaker 1: Three hundred and fifty million. So it's not like, oh,
Superman was massive with Christopher Reeve or oh, like Keatan's
Batman or Toby.
Speaker 2: It's like you could go back and even after Superman
took Returns bombed, you could say, yeah, but those Christopher
Reeves movies were huge, and Henry Cavill had a big
Superman movie.
Speaker 1: You had the.
Speaker 2: Math and the history to back up we're fantastic four.
No movies that have granted they weren't the greatest, but
still nothing over three point fifty that to me does
not show the audience cares for them. And we'll talk
about some of the specific tracking, but like it's tracking
lower than Superman opening weekend.
Speaker 1: It's tracking really bad in China.
Speaker 2: It's pre sales, Like I guess we're talking about now,
lots of movies in China not doing good. Like Superman's
resales were twenty two thousand dollars, that's not great, but
then Fantastic for his pre sales are two thousand dollars
that's not good or two thousand and yen whatever it is, right, Like,
that's that's that's real bad. That's in general in China
things American North American movies aren't doing good. But I
think they do have something to prove. I think it
is to prove, Hey is the Fantastic for uh, doctor
Strange a cat in America?
Speaker 1: Ironman?
Speaker 2: Or are they a Thunderbolts or Marvel right, like are
they a next eight tier brand that now when they
do a soft reboot, they go, hey, we got the
F four with us?
Speaker 1: Or is it ah like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're ever gonna get Thunderbolts too,
because Thunderbolts one didn't do that well. Right, So that's
where I agree and disagree where I think they will
bounce back. But I do think the F four is
something to prove. But what do you feel, Taylor as
far as like F four doing well, like DoD.
Speaker 3: That was two thousand dollars in their like native currency,
I don't know. I'm assuming because let's say that and
that was China.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, two thousand Chinese one is two hundred and seventy
eight American dollars. That's not good.
Speaker 1: Okay, then it's two KR money. It's definitely.
Speaker 3: Box. That's that's a wolf.
Speaker 1: That was a wolf.
Speaker 3: So was that first Fantastic more movie for movie that
we read showed? Was that released publicly or was that
one of the ones that they asked that was.
Speaker 1: One of the ones they act and stuff?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, so very rough go at it with this,
you know, Fantastic four. I think Borstick that really didn't
didn't pay off. I feel, and this is just me
being my own humble opinion. I don't have any scientific
factual information to back this up. I feel like people
are more excited for when Read Richards appeared in Doctor
Change Multiverse of Madness than here. And I'm not saying
that people don't like Pedro in the Family. I think
everyone loves these actors and Vanessa Kirby. They're coming to
this movie. But I think just the excitement of the
character appearing in Doctor Strange was a lot more happened though,
right where this is like advertising, Yes, yeah, I don't
know what it is like this movie. I am excited
for it. As I said, when me and Dylan did
that last Weekly Geek together, that next Traders that they
put out had me totally jazzed. I got off my
rocker for it, and Silver Surfer absolutely terrified me, totally
freaky with that speech. But I think that I really
do appreciate how this movie feels like it's just God
It's own aesthetic. It feels very colorful, it feels like
it's its own bubble, it's own world that it's created.
It feels very different. And I don't know if everyone
else is going to be as receptive as that or
as I am with that, And I'm going to be
on board with it in the overall scheme of things,
especially after Thunderbolts.
Speaker 1: I think we all like it. I enjoy the aesthetic,
but I don't know the aesthetic of Like I know
it's like, uh, what's that term?
Speaker 2: Like, uh like old futuristic or I can't remember there's
a term. Some of the chat tell it's like when
it's like you have sci fi futuristic stuff, Oh.
Speaker 1: Like fallow retro futuristic. Yeah, like there's a whole term.
Someone knows the actual genre, let me know.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if retro futurism.
Speaker 1: Is it retrofuturism?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know if the general audience loves that,
Like I don't know if the people this like the
younger people as upset Raizy did it, so Spob's still
the guy in the chair. I don't know if people
that aren't combook nerds are like, oh, that looks cool,
like a different type of sixties Like I think, unfortunately
the generation below us might be like, ah, that looks
kind of like the old stuff, Like I don't want
to see, Like I don't care about that, Like there's
no nostalgia for in a sense, So I don't know,
and yet I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hype is.
Speaker 2: I used your friend as a reference when we saw
on Weekly Geek when we saw Superman, when he said, all,
he's going to just see that streaming, And I think
there's a lot of people that are gonna do that
F four because I just I think the problem with
F four as well, because then some people brought this
up with Thunderbolts, I feel like it has set.
Speaker 1: Up movie written all over it.
Speaker 2: That's I think the issue where I'm hoping ought to
fall in love with the characters. I will say that
there was that second trailer. I haven't seen that last
one that you didn't talk about. The second trailer did
get more excited and I was in, but I've gone
way more less excited. Like what would you say, like,
not what do you think the movie can be? But
out of a ten, what do you think your excitement's.
Speaker 1: At right now?
Speaker 3: I'm at I'm out of seven, But I'm that's lower
than I thought. I'm out of seven because I feel
like hearing all the rumors about just things being cut
and then acting John alkovichy like John Malkovich's character just
completely removed altogether and that's just kind of iffy to me,
and I'm more, to be honest, I'm a ten out
of ten on the setup. You know, when we get
to the end and it's gonna show us like how
this is gonna tie off, because what I like thunderbolts
a lot. But when we got to that post credit scene,
that just like totally shut my excitement up, and I'm like, Okay,
now we're we're getting somewhere. Now. This is like a
cut scene that's paying off and building this interconnected universe,
which you've not had in so fucking long. So I'm
excited for that. Mostly when it comes to this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for me, like you said the John Malkovich thing,
that getting cut to me, I a runtime shouldn't matter
because like, hey, look at our movie. Our movie is
like forty nine minutes, right, But that's a very different
situation where our first movie is like it's two characters
and it's like a send the woods and it's just
that's it, right, We're not setting up this and that,
but it's like f four all these villains, Galactus, Franklin
Richards and then a way to backdoor into the MC.
It's like like an hour fifty five, it's under two hours,
like to me, like I am concerned, especially because there's
so many movies that we've heard from Marvel where it
has been it is that two hour mark just above
or just blow or just on it, and then when
you see him, it's been oh like we could use
a little more and even like for like you guys
like more than me. But I think we all agree Superman,
we could have used more of that, right like we
I think we all agree that if Superman was a
bit longer, the movie probably could have been even better.
And the question is like, are they cutting stuff because
it's just they feel this doesn't make sense? Are they
cutting stuff because they want to get in as many
theaters as wear Gospel? Because like the shorter movie you're,
the shorter your movie is, the more theaters are gonna film.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but that doesn't matter to me.
Speaker 2: If it's a bad movie or like a men movie,
if it comes out it's a men movie, doesn't matter
how short it is, people aren't gonna go pay and
see it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, malk Fitch's out there.
Speaker 2: That's where it's just like that's gone, and that's where
I keep referring to this and I hope it's you
know correct, I talk one weekly Geek and Dynamic duo
this idea and if he can stick to and he's
not lying of James Gunn saying, hey, they don't want
to go into production or anything till there's like a
fully script. Like to me, if that can happen, that's
some of the best things ever because like you, they
John Malcovich can't be cheap, so they they paid they
got him, They.
Speaker 1: Paid him just to cut him, like what and they've
done this a few times or change.
Speaker 3: Up ventures right in the endgame with Ironheart's or Iron
Men's daughter.
Speaker 1: They did, Yeah, but I don't think she was getting
a big paycheck, right, but.
Speaker 2: Still like or even stuff like John Carles as positive
was not in Captain America when they shot the first
time and then the re roam, we knew we need
a character. Oh it's got John Carlo and I'm sure
he didn't he and she be this That's the thing
that's just like it's tough because the MCU was built
on Iron Man did not have a finished script and
it was shooting and changing all the time, and that
movie worked big time. So I think they think every
time that could work, but clearly I think they've ran
into a few more times than not recently where it's
not working. So stuff like John Malkovich, a great actor
who probably wasn't cheap, should not just be getting cut,
you know like that that feels odd. That feels like
if they because he's I think he's playing the Red Ghost,
that'd be Differentely, Ah, we just got a character actor.
You know, it didn't cost us much. Yeah, cut this
that you know it doesn't really work. But you went
out to go get a great actor who you know,
I would imagine, you know, hopefully did good the role.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's where it's just like I'm
more worried. I'm at like a sixth for my excitement.
Speaker 2: Granted I'm not a big Fantastic four fan, so you know,
bear with me there, but I just in general, I
just worry it's going to be a very safe setup movie.
And I think that even though Superman, I think there's
some aspects of Superman that are safe, like the general plot,
like it's a classic character story. But then I think
there's some character and real world stuff in there that's
not safe.
Speaker 1: We're F four.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's gonna have really any of that stuff.
I think it's gonna be very some of the first
Captain America, which people like. I'm not saying that, but
I just think it's not going to take leave some bounds.
And I glad Mike pointed this out a couple days ago,
where I think we're very much in the position where
for the first time since eight, DC could beat Marvel,
which is kind of crazy. I thought it had happened before,
but it hasn't since The Dark Night, and they've you know,
they're gonna beat Thunderbolts, Superman, They're gonna beat Captain America,
and I think they're gonna they're gonna beat Fantastic four
because my rankings, I think I might be wrong. We're
gonna see but I remember from my summer was uh
Superman or it was Superman, Jurassic and F four, and
I think Drafts is gonna be on top, but I
think you you were that order, but you had uh
Superman on top of it or at the bottom, which
I don't think is gonna happen anymore now because right
now we got the track and it's not a big difference, right,
but right now, the tracking, the final tracking for F
fours open up as one hundred two one hundred and
ten million.
Speaker 1: So let's say it'll open.
Speaker 2: At the top of that tracking, it would be about
fifteen million less than Superman, which again not a huge
leap and balley, Oh my god, but it's still that
they're they're losing to that. So where do you feel
it's gonna right now, we got this tracking, and now
we got you know, some of the stuff coming out.
We've seen how Superman's done. What do you think it's
gonna be opening weekend? You need to win here because
you were your wrong about Drastic World. I got that
one right, and then Kirkling got the Superman one right.
Speaker 1: So where are you on a F four? What do
you think you're your opening weekend is gonna be.
Speaker 3: Ooh, I think it's gonna do hy yeah, yeah, yeah, yeay, i'ld.
Speaker 1: Say one oh five.
Speaker 3: I think it's to come out this late. I mean
draft if Jurassic World did not have that four day weekend,
it would be a very different conversation. Yes, Superman being
a week right after, Yeah, it's good. I think it's
better that it was spaced out from To go up
against a dinosaur movie is okay because dinosaurs is not superheroes,
but to space it out a week away from Fantastic Four,
that's not the greatest thing. So I think it's good
that they're two weeks apart. I think that's really good
and word of mouth too. I think people when this
comes out Fantastic four, people are still going to be
thinking like, oh, you know, I'm only seeing one superhero movie.
I'm gonna go see the new Superman. See I haven't
seen Superman in a while, but we've always seen lots
of Marvel stuff, or oh, I'm gonna go see a dinosaurs,
you know, take the kids to see that. So I
think it's still gonna be a battle between not really
a battle, but Superman or Durassic World. Not to say
people aren't gonna go see Fantastic four. I mean there's
definitely gonna be the Marvel fans that do go to it.
But I don't think it's just it's not doesn't have
that oomph anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the original three day for Jurassic World was
only eighty two million, A couple of others did do.
I think some holidays but still eighty two.
Speaker 2: And that's where I think I was like at like
a nine or something that I said it was gonna
crack one hundred, and I think I'm with you on
I think there's a chance because I think Captain America,
why I think that opened to like ninety I'm spitballing here,
but I think it's like ninety five, and then Thunderbolts
was seventy eight. So I think that it will beat
those two for sure. I think there's always a chance
it could come under the initial tracking, but I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna say like one oh five. That's that's a good one.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, oh dude, I go higher or lower,
like I'm pretty much in that ballpark. I'm gonna take
the I'm gonna take the over just to be a
little I don't know, because I was gonna say like
one thirteen.
Speaker 1: But even that, I feel like I'm not because that's
over expectation.
Speaker 2: I mean, I go one oh eight. I'm gonna go
a little a little above you, but I think could
be lower. And then, yeah, what do you think for
overall details saying I think it makes five to fifty
super bad, Mic says, I think, yeah, yeah, I think
it makes five hundred mil.
Speaker 1: What do you think.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna make between four hundred and fifty
to five hundred. I don't think it's gonna crack the
fat well, uh, because Jurassic World right now, I think
it was at like five forty four forty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so but that's a big international movie.
Speaker 2: We don't know how f for is gonna be international
yet obviously, right, Yeah, that's where Superman struggling Superman literally
we'll talk about later, but it's the next domestic boss.
Office is going very well. It's just international markets. It's
having some some issues lagging behind.
Speaker 3: And Thunderbolts gross worldwide three eighty two. So I'm gonna
say that, yeah, this will be I'm gonna say four fifty.
Speaker 1: Jeez, four fifty. I think it because if Captain America,
I think that got to like what four twenty five
or whatever something like that. I think that, yeah, are
you searching what Captin America did overall?
Speaker 3: Four fifteen four fifteen.
Speaker 2: I've confident unless I'll put the the Asterix on it,
unless F four reviews really terribly, like really bad.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna make five hundred.
Speaker 2: But I think it'll be like five oh two, five
oh three, like five nine, Like I think it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be just just over it. But I do think Superman.
Do you think Superman's gonna beat it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 2: M m uh suber Mike says, do you guys think
the plot looking so close to Rise, Silver Surfer and
the Traders could hurt it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know if it's gonna hurt it, But
I just.
Speaker 3: I think I don't like the GA remembers that movie.
Speaker 2: To be honest, there is that, but I just feel
like if they do, they might feel like, oh, they're
just remaking that movie and they go, oh, I don't
need to see I don't need to see that, you know,
like I don't. I don't like, I don't need to
see that Redone again. You know, it's not like a
classic movie that is being remade. It's like, yeah, Rise
and Silver Surfer. But I think in the sense that
it looks somewhat generic and that's what you know, doesn't
help it.
Speaker 1: And again, if you are in.
Speaker 2: Tune to it, we kind of know how this movie's
gonna end already, right, So I think it does a
little bit.
Speaker 1: But Taylor, you don't.
Speaker 3: No, I think I think that who remembers that movie?
I mean only I feel like a handful of people
remember it. I remember it because I really really enjoy
that one. You get Doom on the surf Silver surfers board,
you get some other crazy shit in there too. It's
it's awesome. But I don't think the GA is familiar.
Speaker 2: With which I haven't said because we went into our
top ten, but because we haven't talked about this.
Speaker 1: I said this so big.
Speaker 2: Maybe there are I don't know if I did it all.
Bit if I didn't, it's worth repeating. Big shoutow and
arrest in.
Speaker 1: Peace to Julie McMahon, because man, that is oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: He passed away last week cancer fifty six again, fifty six,
very young age.
Speaker 1: When I did that math, I'm like, man, I am
twenty four years away from that.
Speaker 2: That's crazy when you think, like, oh, twenty four years
and you would pass away like one, enjoy your life,
but two such a very underrated actor. Nip TAC's one
of my favorite shows, and I actually thought he would
have been a great Doom given the right situation. I'm
very excited to watch the surf. I think it's my plans.
Hopefully next week is after my don com playing you
to watch the Surfer with him in nick Cage because
I heard it was great and it's such a shame
he's having like a comeback.
Speaker 1: So yeah, big shout out to him. I love Julie
Mann that one. That one really hurts the shout out
to you know, he got to be that doom on
that surfboard. So a couple of comments that I missed here.
Super Mike says, yeah, no post.
Speaker 2: Endgame MCU movie has a direct sequel yet when you
think about it, and that's what I mean, Like F
four is something to prove.
Speaker 1: F four has to show like are we are we
part of that top dog tier or are we.
Speaker 2: The experimental post COVID brighter strike Like it didn't really work.
Let's not do this because like people love Sung She
but there's still no Sung Chi on the books. They
say they're making it, but like this has been a
long wait, right, so we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 1: Uh, let's see.
Speaker 2: Super Mike says, I'm hearing or sorry, sis, I'm hearing
good things about Superman, but I still think Superman be
maybe meant to four, right, hearing good things about because
you said I'm hearing good things though Superman. You've seen
Superman sbubs. I know this, so, but I was gonna say, uh,
let's see what. I still think Superman. Beat's fantastic for
right now, DC's hot. MCU is not, I will say,
I will let's throw that out there is Yeah, yeah,
I knew you meant four.
Speaker 1: OK.
Speaker 2: I think Superman is hot, MCU is not. I think
if it's DCU, we have to see because you get
it's pretty much not confirmed. But it sounds like Lantern's
early January, right or early I'll just say Q one
peace Maker the good thing for it. There's multiple characters
I forgot, like oh it is from Superman is supposedly
and that like some people said, it's gonna act as
a semi sql Supman. We have to see Peacemaker. But
I trust them, even though James is not heading all that.
I trust that to be good.
Speaker 1: I hope is good.
Speaker 2: So to me, I can't say it's hot or not
yet because the problem is next year you got the
two movies. It's Supergirl and Clayface versus Spider Man for
and Avengers Doomsday. It's very much like the MCU is back,
the mc is dead, or I suppose we do in
the gimmick like one week, aw, he's the best company,
and then the next week, w's the best company. Right,
So and yeah, I agree, Peacemaker season one was big,
and that's just the question of Ken's season two be big.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying. I think it will be
or be a hit.
Speaker 2: So you have Superman and Peacemaker. I think I think Lanterns.
I trust him again that to be a hit as
that's on HBO.
Speaker 1: From what I've seen with Supergirl, I think that's going
to work.
Speaker 2: Clayface, I think that's that's a fifty to fifty because
at least Greg Gilepsi he's had, like I fucking love Ittania,
Like you tell me the guy that made Itanians be
making a Supergirl.
Speaker 1: We're in the clear. The guy making Clayface, eh, Like
I don't have the most confidence in that. So it's
very tough. But that's where, like I said, if Spider
Man four and.
Speaker 2: Uh endgay or sorry, doomsday or mediocre, then you'll really
have the dcu's hot and the MCU is not, especially
as that's always take on tour to talk about Peacemaker
and detail us. Thanks for recommendation. Recommending Collateral, Travis thought
it was fantastic. Yeah, man, because that's on your watch,
was still right, Taylor, Collateral it is? Yeah, Oh I
it's been on my Netflix. I got on my Netflix
list right now. I want to watch it again soon.
But yeah, I love that movie. That's the that's the
type of that's a Travis movie right there, like a
semi character study.
Speaker 1: It's two characters in the location.
Speaker 2: Again, hence the first movie made like even the second movie, Like,
I like those contained stories. And yeah, Tom Cruise to
me his best role. So let's see, we're kind of
all over.
Speaker 1: But fantas for predictions. So we did the box office?
Speaker 2: What do you That's something like, I feel like we
know what's gonna in my opinion, happened where Okay, we're
gonna I feel like I need to act one, two
and three. Act one is we estashally have four as
a family. Sue's pregnant, you know, mazet off.
Speaker 1: Act two. The threats are here Galactus, Silver Surfer. Act three.
They do some stuff. They don't get to save their
universe Plan ape style. They find a way out. And
they end up in the MCU. Well, am I wrong?
Speaker 3: I think you're right, But I was kind of thinking
of proposing an alternative, but I don't want to say
because it might be spoiler horific if you haven't seen
the latest, like cut scene that they showed from the movie.
Speaker 1: I like, are you talking about what Galactus wants?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wouldn't say that because I know that
I don't know if anyone's seen that cat.
Speaker 3: I won't say what it is, but I'll say that
I think what Galactus wants they jump universes obviously we know,
or they leave and then their universe doesn't get destroyed
because Glactus is really following them to get what he wants.
Speaker 2: The only reason I think Glactus is gonna get destroyed, well,
I don't know about destroy but I think he's gonna
be gone for a while is I don't like when
they're gonna deal.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna deal with Galactus and Doomsday.
Speaker 3: No, but I think they're gonna keep him on the
back burner. And I feel like this is their way
of like calling his bluff, like, well, I'm gonna just
either give me what I want or I destroy your planet,
and I think that's when they're like, Okay, well we're
just gonna like what walk off that. Yeah they're gonna
destroy it. Well yeah that would be pretty shitty. But
I I feel like they'll they'll call his bluff and
they'll take what he wants, and then he's gonna be like, ah,
you know, fucking find them.
Speaker 2: I I do like now with that context, when we
had that clip of Reid being like, they're like, can
you save us? And he's like, I don't know, and
it's like, well, yeah, you're really I don't know. I
think you're really kind of screwed now.
Speaker 1: So uh but yeah, I I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I hope that we get enough time with the family,
very much like Superman, right, some great loafs and clutter stuff.
Speaker 1: I think we got some good scenes with them, but
we'll like to more.
Speaker 2: I hope that's not how we're leaving f or where
it's like, oh I really like them together, but we
didn't have enough time to sit with them.
Speaker 1: For a while. I know it's a tough thing, but again,
just make the movie longer. In my opinion, like I want, I.
Speaker 2: Think the thing at least what I'm excited about is
all the acting wise, I'm very excited I've been on
the bandwagon that I still think Pedro will be great
because I think all the things read Richard's is whether
he is the loving husband, whether he is the the
deadbeat husband, as far as not like walking out on
his wife, but just like he's not around, he's too
focused on his projects, on the world whatever, the good father,
the guy who's too busy again to do stuff, the friend,
but also the guy that doesn't know his boundaries because
he's just a very smart guy who you know sometimes
is almost on the spectrum with how smart he is,
and he doesn't understand people's emotions like they're kind of
some doctor manhaanisms. He can, you know, be charming, but
he can be a complete asshole. This is a guy
that can lead fantastic for maybe in the Avengers, but
another Multiverses is a villain.
Speaker 1: I think Pedro can do that. Evan Boss background, Joseph Quinn,
I think is going to be good. I think my
only worry about him is writing.
Speaker 2: I know, and like one of the latest TV spots
they show him like flirting with some ladies, which I
think is good because I remember he said something like, oh, like,
I don't think now Johnny has to be a womanizer.
It's like, like, like, I like, I think there, I
don't know. That's a whole longer conversation. I think you
can have both men and women in the world be
you know, quote unquote whoror sleep around as long as
it's just like consensual and that's their lifestyle. That's something
that I think we've gone too far. If like, oh man,
a man fucking a lot of women. Oh man, a
woman fucking a lot of guys.
Speaker 1: No, you're like, what are we the sixties? You're supposed
to meet someone you're in you're sixteen, then marry up.
It's like that.
Speaker 2: That to me, that's not like a in the world
the culture that's changed. That's not something where I go,
oh yeah, maybe like with the man on right, with
that character. There's lots of things they change because like
this isn't politically correct anymore. We're gonna swap some stuff,
make it a bit more palpable. Johnny being a ladies
I don't know, Like, I don't mean wrong. I'm sure
there's some callings back in the sixties where he probably
slapped a girl in the bum I was like, hey,
good looking. Yeah, that's assault. Now I'm not saying that,
I'm just saying to me, like a woman, ez Er
is something that just sleeps around. It's like, you know,
maybe he doesn't have the greatest relationship with women, but
it's not that he's like a terrible person.
Speaker 1: And that could be as many arc So we'll see.
Speaker 2: And then I've said before, Vanessa Kirby was my pick
for Susstor my fancast that happened.
Speaker 1: And I love Julia Gardner.
Speaker 2: I don't know how she's gonna do a silver Surfer,
don't know how much they're gonna give her, but I'm
a massive I've been a fan of hers since The
American She's my female version of Glenn Powe, where for
years I was talking about this girl and finally she
blew up.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see what they do as the characters.
I just hope they get.
Speaker 2: Enough time to build the relationships, you know, so we'll
see what happens there s bubbs Or Sorry says yeah,
I don't think they'll have the guts to destroy the universe.
I think they're I think they're gonna but Mike doesn't
weary you you don't think they're gonna either.
Speaker 3: Well, I thought initially, like your your pitch for you
said they will. I was kind of on board with it.
But I think I think Disney's gonna do the the
safe route to like I proposed, where the Galactus is
gonna be like, oh, you know, you got what I
want and I'll dostic four is gonna go and so yeah,
he's not gonna He's not gonna pull a trigger and
shoot Planet Earth.
Speaker 2: But it's he can shoot planet Earths and their multiverse
if they're coming to the msume member, it's not they're
not coming from a different planet.
Speaker 1: They're coming from a different universe.
Speaker 3: They are, and I think that's where they think they're safe.
And I think maybe it'll take Galactus a little bit
of time to get there, because again, he's not gonna
be the right away. Yeah, unless you just get Doom
and Galactus teaming up in the next movie, which would
be fucking sweet.
Speaker 1: Then Doom gets his armor and he's all big and stuff.
But yeah, no, I uh, I think they're gonna do.
Speaker 2: I think they're pull a truer because I think they're
gonna try and be like, look this is you know,
we're going for a big and I think the easy
way out is it's it's the universe. We don't know,
and they've already stated like, hey, there's no other superheroes
in this universe. It's a very easy universe to get
rid of by just saying, hey, Glack's gonna eat it up.
And that makes Galactus a bigger threat. So I guess
we'll see if they don't. I'm kind of disappointed by that.
Speaker 3: But is there one Galactus go in universe universe or
is it one Galactus per universe eating planets?
Speaker 1: I feel like it's the ladder because like he's an
eater of they always put like the eater of world.
Speaker 2: It's not the inner eater of universes, right, So it's
like there's many different planets. So I would assume that
you would escape and there would just be a Galactus.
Speaker 1: But maybe he can.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's his thing where F four, you know, goes
to different universe and he figures out even and F
two or somewhere down the line.
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't see them beating him, but maybe they do,
just be because the f fours beat Galactus many a time, right,
so maybe I'm over thinking. I'm thinking, but then I
just go like, Okay, how do they end up in
the MCU if the universe doesn't get destroyed or if
they beat Galactus? I don't know how they I'll say
in the six one six how do they get there?
Speaker 1: And that I don't know? You know?
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, Any other predictions to do with the story,
characters appearances. I don't think so no, trying to think. Okay,
give me what you think. Uh, what do you think
some end credits would because I get some.
Speaker 3: Water ooh end credits say, I feel like you could
see something that was maybe like more of the Thunderbolts perspective,
considering that they're they're crossing over with their post credits
scene and and maybe it'll be vice versa. That being said, though,
I mean, we already know Robert Tenny juniors doctor Doom,
so maybe you see something like that. Ah, but where
where would he be coming from? And there's so much,
there's so much to talk about with Okay, is this
like a guy that looks like Robert Enny or looks
like Tony Stark and so he's playing it off and
he's he's Victor Ron doom or is he just like
a very And I don't know. There's so many different
ways I could tackle it. So I think that there's
a possibility of a post credit scene where you have
the Fantastic Four coming into our universe and then you
see Robert Downey Junior sitting in the chair watching the
TV or something like that, and he's like, oh, look
at these guys. Robert Downey Jr.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you think he's gonna be in awe, Like
when you say TV, do you mean they get a
multiverse like always watched us?
Speaker 3: Or is he in this that I don't know that
I don't know. I don't I can't see him being
in the six one sixth solely because we already have
that same looking guy who he was Tony Stark. So
does he come from another multiverse? Maybe he's like, oh,
Galactus killed my you know world too, so I came
here and then he sees the Fantastic Four and maybe
he tries to come off as a friend or something
like that at first, but he killed his Fantastic Four
in his universe.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this. I was gonna say this
for Weekly Geek next week.
Speaker 2: But let's talk about now, because there's still be enough
news and everything, because the news has been flowing like
gasoline and juice in the streets right now. I've seen
this theory, and I think I talked about this with
Kirkle in a Weekly Geek, but I feel like now
it was actually I think it's actually a rumor. Now
it's not as a theory, and I like it a lot,
but I don't The theory was, or the rumor was
so skip ahead like two minutes if we don't want
to hear a potential doomsday.
Speaker 1: Rumor from a sea, Tier Scooper.
Speaker 2: But the rumor was that, yeah, uh, you know, let's
just say downy he was gonna come to six one
six posing as Tony Stark or friendly face to help,
you know, get heroes people on his team, and then
the flip would happen, because that's the idea of, well,
how do the Avengers and X Men fight? Imagine if
he comes to six one sixteen, say, say, there's a
big threat. There's a team on this planet, you know,
or on this universe. They're called the X Men. They're
killing people or they're killing whatever. I need your help
to take them out. And they see a Tony. They
see his face, they go, well, we must trust him.
And that's how he gets these Kale characters to fight
or take each other out. I think that's great because
to me, that's the whole thing. When there's these rumors
are like, oh, you know, he looks exactly like Tony Stark,
are they going to plane to that? And early on
I was like, no, it's just gonna be Doctor Ja
was like, well, that's pretty lame. Like to me, if
you get a character that looks like your most popular character.
Speaker 1: You should lean into that.
Speaker 2: So how would you feel about that if that's the
way he goes, If he kind of pretends to be
a friendly face with them, the twist happens.
Speaker 3: I mean it's similar to Mysterio right, or Mysterio I
mean didn't have the recognizable face, but was trying to
woo and befriend Tom Holland Spider Man, even to the
point where he put the glasses on so he would
look like Tony Stark, right, just to kind of like
he had the hairstyled up and everything like that, just
to kind of fool Tom Holland. So we have seen
that happen before, and this would just be literally a
solid like carbon copy of him, just totally using his
thing for bad.
Speaker 2: So different as people to know that mysterio. Right, it
was like, O, there's this guy where this is like, oh, well,
we love Tony, you know he must be good. So yeah, yeah, Mike,
I like this one. Let's see heroic sacrifice to destroy Galactus,
but instead of dying in a big explosion, they end
up in another universe. Yeah, I can see that again.
At that point, I just say, just destroy the universe.
But I get it, detail, says Magnita, wiping the floor
with the New Avengers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I think Magneto as a character, sure, but he unfortunately
don't think mcnell mckellon's gonna make it out of these movies.
Speaker 1: I think I think that could be a big character
that doom kills off. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And are you for percentage wise? Are you one
hundred percent that we're seeing doom in this movie? The
director said, there's no doom in the movie. But remember
Thunderbolt's end credit was shot by the Russos. Wasn't shot
by what's his name, Drake Shreiver. They shot that while
on set added it in, So I don't care what
Matt Shackman says of Hey, hey, you.
Speaker 1: Know there's no Doom stay here. It's like or doctor Doom.
He's like, yeah, you're not. You're not KF you know
you're you're not running the joint.
Speaker 3: So I'll say there's a ninety nine point nine percent chance.
The odds are extremely high. But i'm gonna say it's not.
Nothing's one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm saying nothing's one hundred percent. Yeah, So you
couldn't say we're one hundred percent record an episode geek
for us right now?
Speaker 1: Oh yes you could. That's what we're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say it's one hundred percent, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna put this asterix on it. Though you
will see doctor Doom. I'm not saying for sure you
would see Downy. I think it'd be smarter them to
make it out you see Downey, to get those people
excited and let people know, hey, he's on his way.
But I'm gonna say you just see uh, doctor Doom.
Speaker 1: At least I'm not. I'm not clarified. I'm not going
on Downy. So all right, hits with chat GPT predictions
here or whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, Fantastic four world's collide in the universe
parallel to the MCU. The Fantastic Four read Richards, Sue Storm,
Johnny Storm, and Ben Grimm are all ready public heroes.
They gain their powers during a deep space mission that
exposed them to the incursion Veil, an unstable energy field
left behind after the collapse of the Sacred Timeline from
Loki Season one.
Speaker 1: Wore that out.
Speaker 3: Years later, Red notices something terrifying. The stars are vanishing.
He calculates that their entire reality is collapsing. At the
center of this implosion is a devour of worlds Galactus,
who now feeds not just on planets but on entire timelines.
He is evolving or merging, but Read intercepts the strange
signal originating from outside their universe. It's a burst of
coded energy and old stark tech frequencies, a call for
help from another world the MCU timeline, but if labeled
it as the MCU do sometimes so get it UH.
Red builds the Multiversal Quantum Drive into their spacecraft, the Odyssey,
to escape, and he's directing the next next one UH
to escape and warn the next stable reality. As they
launch Glack disappears, sending his herald tar As to stop them.
The Fantastic Four narrowly escapes the collapsing rift, but taxes
cosmic acts and beds in the ship. As they jump,
Their ship crash lands in the Wakandan Highlands, triggering massive
energy spikes. Excuse me. The wreckage is immediately investigated by Shuri,
now Queena Wakanda and one of the most advanced scientific
minds in the world. With her are the Midnight Angels
and Everett Ross, now back in.
Speaker 1: Wakand those terrible.
Speaker 3: Surry quickly realizes this team Reids to Johnny and Ben
isn't from their universe. Reid trying to make sense of
the new world. It's astounded by Wakandan technology. He also
senses something dangerous in the ship, residual multiversal energy from Galactus. Meanwhile, Tarax,
thought to be destroyed in the jump, begins regenerating deep
under the Earth, drawing from viberanium veins and ancient energies.
Once worshiped by Wakandan ancestors. What did I say not vibranium,
I might yawned again mid sentence. At the same time,
an unknown energy serge pulses globally. In New York, doctor
Strange notices a ripple in the mirror dimension. In Westview,
Billy Maximov wakes from a dream drawing magical sigils in
his sleep.
Speaker 1: Is like Avengers two point or like five point zero
or whatever.
Speaker 3: In Canada, a rugged man with claws feels a cosmic tremor.
In space, Nick Fury detects gravitational anomalies near Earth's moon
because he's up on the space station right of course.
Uh Back in Wakonda, Read bonds with Surey two mind
cycling the greatest challenge of all stopping Galactus. They realize
that Galactus has mutated, feeding on the fabric of the
multiverse itself. He's a pro the MCU Earth, drawn by
the fantastic forest energy signature. But there's another twist. Victor
von Doom, ruler of the hidden nation of Latviia, reveals
himself in this reality. Doom has already been preparing for
this incursion. Using ancient Socovian magic, bibranium, and scavenge stark technology.
Doom has built a device to bend the multiverse to
his will, and he offers Reed help, but demands access
to their ship's power corn return. Reid refuses, and Doom
kidnaps Sue and begins siphoning the energy himself, but the
power is tainted and infected by Galactus's essence. Meanwhile, Shuri
and Johnny and Ben lead a daring rescue mission into
Laviia with help from Wong a slingering portal. They free Sue,
but Doom, corrupted by the cosmic energy, becomes a dark
conduit momentarily linked to Glactus himself. Galactus arrives not physically,
but as a manifestation of the upper atmosphere, bending the
sky and shifting gravity. His voice echoes across minds, this
world is not yours. It was never meant to lie.
In the climactic final battle, reading sure, he creates a
multiversal deflectory using wacanon tech and reads core drive. Johnny
goes nova, pushing back Galactus's galacticus galactis this manifestations Jesus, and.
Speaker 1: This guy was like, I didn't say vibranium wrong.
Speaker 3: Ben, in a moment of sacrifice, destroys Dooms and stable reactors,
seemingly vaporizing himself.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Silver energy just sends the Silver Surfer, freed from Galactus's control.
Helps Read open a gate to redirect Galactus into an uninhabited,
dying universe. Galactus retreats, but not defeated. He You've always
becoming a new entity of pure multiversal entropy. Ah the
aftermath the Fantastic Four and now stranded and the main MCU.
Uh Reid offers to work with Shri and Bruce Banner.
Sue visits Wakanda, Rwanda's old cabin in search of Billy.
Johnny bonds with Peter Parker at a science fair. A
vibranium statue of en Gram is directed in Wakonda.
Speaker 1: So first Fantastic for movie m they're killing Ben Grinoff.
Speaker 3: Yes, Uh. Silver Surfer stays behind the MCU. Charles Xavier
sends telepathic visions to Sue. Uh America Chaves shows up
at the ruins of the riff Gate. Something else is
coming through and it's angry. So we got a whole
bunch of people there. Post credits, we open on the
shattered remains of a city, buildings floating in space gravity,
warped colors bleeding unnaturally. The skyline looks vaguely like New York,
but twisted, glitching in and out of existence. Alone figure
walks among the debris, wearing a tattercloth cloak. Sorry, we
see a robotic hand, fractured but powerful. It's a Kang variant.
We keep going back to Kang, bleeding, limping, muttering equations himself.
Time is folding. They're not fixing it, They're making it worse.
Speaker 1: Dad GBDC, say, who is playing Gang? No I will
because I forgot what used to ask it?
Speaker 2: Who would direct some of the stuff? So after ask
who's playing King? I'm just curious?
Speaker 3: Okay. As he reaches a broken monument of Andrew's Tower,
split in two, he pulls out a glowing orb filled
with flickering silhouettes of multiversel beings. One resembles a god,
another mutant one looks like doctor Doom. Suddenly, a portal
opens behind him, violet and unstable, and a figure walks through, calmly,
silver boots, pale skin, no face of presence. The beyonder
is his name. You're too late, King, Your time is passed.
Now comes the age of judgment. You Kang raises a
weapon from the TVA. You don't understand the variables, the incursions,
the convergence. If they meet, it's not war, it's annihilation
the Beyond. Her smiles as the Void bends to his
whim Behind him, Deadpool steps through, wide eyed. Okay, definitely
not Canada, dead Pool says, Beyond he turns back, or
turns his back facing Deadpool, chosen.
Speaker 1: Talks like as dead fool, I hate when that.
Speaker 3: You were chosen for your chaos. Now let the let's
break the board. Beyonder reaches out, touching the fractured urban
Kang's hand. It dissolves in the sparks that all three vanished.
A burst of prismatic light, uh, revealing pull back, revealing
the floating fragments of one hundreds of alternative realities Earth, collapsing, performing,
and bleeding into one another. One fragment stands out, a
glimpse of a throne forged from wreckage, but someone sitting
in the shadows doctor doom. Okay, okay, did you ask it?
Speaker 1: Can you ask you? Who's playing King?
Speaker 3: Curious King in your story?
Speaker 2: Big movie, big budget, that's just avengers pretty much that
what happened down that way? Uh?
Speaker 3: Okay okay.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: To match the tone from you know, previous projects, the
actor play him would ideally still be Jonathan Major's originally
cast uh. But if the MCU recast Kang for continuous
continuity or legal reasons, a strong alternative would be uh
reggae Jean Page of The Gray Man. I need to
see a photo of this guy.
Speaker 1: He's from character.
Speaker 3: Why him, it says, it says, why him. He brings
intense sexual charisma.
Speaker 1: British Why that's nothing we need?
Speaker 3: With British educated eloquence, a quiet menace, his Kang would
be elegant, refined, terrifyingly patient, and emotionally devastating when seducing
or destroying.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just say not a fan of that pic.
Speaker 3: In the story, he appears shirtless beneath the flowing purple cloak,
eyes glowing subtly with temporal energy. His voice is smooth
like honey, but tinged with a threat. He doesn't just
want a real time, He wants to possess those who
threaten that body in mind?
Speaker 1: What the fuck you in time? Thanks, chat GPT. Well,
we'll see.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're gonna get that, but I think
we'll get some some surprise appearances and whatnot.
Speaker 1: So yeah, fab GPT, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 2: Well no, I was gonna say, I guess because it's
not in the MCU, we shouldn't be getting any surprise.
It's not the MSU and they said there's no heroes
there than them, right, so we shouldn't be getting any stuff.
So uh but yeah, hope it's a good time. We'll
being next week hopefully can double hopef well get some
cool action set pieces and cool stuff with their powers,
so we will see.
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