Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond.
Speaker 2: With Cliff and Bobo.
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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay,
Speaker 3: Hey Bobs, how you doing?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: All right? How are you doing? Cliff?
Speaker 3: Pretty good? Pretty good, Just cruising along at the end
Speaker 3: of my day, doing a podcast with some of my
Speaker 3: best friends. So everything's looking down.
Speaker 4: Guys, who's that.
Speaker 3: Matt Pruitt and Bobo of course?
Speaker 4: All right, Hey Bobs.
Speaker 3: We're pretty excited. Why don't you let's get us into
Speaker 3: the guests. Man, this is too good to talk anything
Speaker 3: else about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard of this guys.
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, I heard about him for a while ago,
Speaker 5: but I don't remember the details ory thing. But yeah,
Speaker 5: our illustrious producer Matt Pruitt actually got in touch with
Speaker 5: him and it was pretty shocking to hear that's who that.
Speaker 5: When I heard he said he got ahold of him,
Speaker 5: I was like, Wow, that's nuts. So Matt tell us
Speaker 5: tell us how you got ahold of him?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was really funny. One of our beloved members.
Speaker 6: One of our Patreon members had reached out to me
Speaker 6: and said, hey, I understand you know, we live in
Speaker 6: the same town. We should meet up and have lunch
Speaker 6: talk squatch. And no one's ever accused me of not
Speaker 6: talking enough, so I was like, oh, I had an opportunity.
Speaker 4: To go talk, you know.
Speaker 6: So we're hanging out and making small talk. And I'd
Speaker 6: asked him like, what got you into interested in the subject,
Speaker 6: and he said, well, I was always kind of interested.
Speaker 6: But I met a guy here in Nashville who had
Speaker 6: seen one and I was like, well, that's cool, and
Speaker 6: he said yeah, he was actually an elk hunter and
Speaker 6: a guide in Colorado. And I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 6: really interesting and he said yeah, he watched it through
Speaker 6: binoculars for a few minutes, and I immediately recognized the
Speaker 6: story because I was always a big fan of the
Speaker 6: writings of a researcher from Kansas named Keith Foster, and
Speaker 6: he actually worked with a number of elk hunters and
Speaker 6: people that were prominent in that community in Colorado to
Speaker 6: put together a lot of information about Sasquatch sidings there.
Speaker 6: And then there was a journalist for the Denver Post
Speaker 6: named Theo Stein who had written this. So I immediately
Speaker 6: I just took a chance with this guy and I said, Hey,
Speaker 6: is this friend of yours? Is his name Jeff die Singer?
Speaker 6: And he was like, yeah, how did you know that?
Speaker 6: And I was like, I got a pretty good memory
Speaker 6: man for sasquatch related stuff, and so to learn that
Speaker 6: he lived here in the same area as I do,
Speaker 6: I reached out and we had a great conversation, and
Speaker 6: I thought, we've got to get him on the podcast.
Speaker 6: And so I know you guys are somewhat familiar with
Speaker 6: the story, but I'm going to let Jeff tell it,
Speaker 6: so you guys can host the conversation and I'm all
Speaker 6: here for it.
Speaker 3: All right, good score pro So welcome Jeff, thanks so
Speaker 3: much for coming on.
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you guys, Hey, Joe, Hey, Bobo. I will
Speaker 2: say this to just begin that I have never done
Speaker 2: a podcast on this ever. I've done a bunch of
Speaker 2: podcast on elk hunting and backcountry bow hunting and and
Speaker 2: shooting professional archery but in the military stuff, but I've
Speaker 2: never done this, so so this will be a first
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, us too, We've never had you on this. It'll
Speaker 3: be great.
Speaker 7: Yeah, this will be fund you condense your like what
Speaker 7: you usually say on a on a podcast about hunting,
Speaker 7: kind of kind of gave us a prettif inch on
Speaker 7: you like what your what your qualifications in the woods are.
Speaker 2: Sure. I grew up here in middle Tennessee, small town,
Speaker 2: grew up hunting, uh, you know, mostly small game, that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Grew up hunting a place that y'all
Speaker 2: are probably familiar with. I heard of called Land between
Speaker 2: the Lakes. Never once in my life have I ever
Speaker 2: thought about Bigfoot, especially all the time I spent down
Speaker 2: there as a kid. And then, you know, after high school,
Speaker 2: I went to the military. I was a part of
Speaker 2: the seventy fifth Special Forces out of Fort Benning. Been
Speaker 2: deployed in South and Central America, Africa, over in the
Speaker 2: Middle East. So did that, and I was with a QRF,
Speaker 2: a Quick Reaction Force team, so if people got in trouble,
Speaker 2: it was our job to go and get them out
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. I was a part of
Speaker 2: Somalia where I was you know, wounded three times over there.
Speaker 2: And so anyway, I got out, went to college in Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: played a little baseball there, and then after college I
Speaker 2: came back to Nashville, and played music professionally for about
Speaker 2: three years.
Speaker 4: What'd you play.
Speaker 2: I'm a piano player by trade. Yeah, I've been doing
Speaker 2: that my whole life. But and I'm it's weird because
Speaker 2: you know, of course Nashville is a country vibe and
Speaker 2: all of that. But I grew up playing a lot
Speaker 2: of blues, Southern Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff. Those
Speaker 2: were my influences. And anyway, when I was on the road,
Speaker 2: I would always go out to Colorado and go elk hunt.
Speaker 2: And one year, the year before I got out of
Speaker 2: the music business, I had called in this bull elk
Speaker 2: and had shot him with a recurved bow, and I
Speaker 2: thought I was the only person in the world. And
Speaker 2: I'm down there, you know, quarnering and skinning this thing.
Speaker 2: And I was about six miles in I was backpacked
Speaker 2: bow hunting, and this was probably like ninety five, maybe
Speaker 2: ninety six, somewhere in there, and this cowboy rode up
Speaker 2: on a horse with like two mules out of nowhere
Speaker 2: and scared the snot out of me and ended up
Speaker 2: being the owner of one of the largest outfitters in
Speaker 2: the country, really is Pike's Peak Outfitters. And he said
Speaker 2: he'd set up on the mountain and watched that whole thing,
Speaker 2: and he goes, you ever want a job, call me,
Speaker 2: And by Georgie the next year, I've had enough of
Speaker 2: the music business, and and so I called him and
Speaker 2: kind of escaped out to Colorado and and started guiding
Speaker 2: full time. So and you know, did that in the fall,
Speaker 2: and then they also had a wilderness program and was
Speaker 2: an instructor there during the summer and and you know,
Speaker 2: book tunts and that sort of thing. So I was
Speaker 2: I was only one of two guys that were full
Speaker 2: time there when everybody else was seasonal. And so I
Speaker 2: spent literally probably three hundred days a year out you know,
Speaker 2: in the outside. So so yeah, and then you know
Speaker 2: that brings that brings us to when when the sighting happened? Really,
Speaker 2: you know, so, uh.
Speaker 3: Before we do go onto that, how did you take
Speaker 3: Dicky Bett's death? By the way, Uh, guitarist for the
Speaker 3: Almen Brothers.
Speaker 2: Do you want me to be honest? Not a huge
Speaker 2: Dickey fan. He was the mean one of the bunch,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I got to say, I've never seen a picture of
Speaker 3: him smile.
Speaker 2: Good player, no great player, great player, But I mean
Speaker 2: when you're playing beside Dwayne Almand. I mean, does it
Speaker 2: get much better than Dwayne? Really? But I will say this,
Speaker 2: Dicky's a heck of a songwriter and a heck of
Speaker 2: a player, and I'm sure that his fans are sad.
Speaker 2: And of course, you know, half of the Allman Brothers
Speaker 2: are gone now, but as far as the band is concerned,
Speaker 2: most all of them are gone. Really, But I didn't
Speaker 2: take it too hard, not when Dicky died.
Speaker 3: So gosh, well, you mentioned that's the timely sort of thing.
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask about that. Why had a chance?
Speaker 3: So okay, so let's get get back to the big
Speaker 3: foot thing, which I guess is important for this podcast
Speaker 3: before your encounter, which we'll get to in just a moment.
Speaker 3: How much credence or how much thought ever went into
Speaker 3: the big foot thing at all? Was?
Speaker 2: He wrote?
Speaker 3: Zero? It was just nonsense, this background garbage noise that
Speaker 3: you've been hearing about probably most of your life. Never
Speaker 3: really thought about it, that's kind of thing.
Speaker 2: The only time that Bigfoot ever came up in my life.
Speaker 2: And this is gonna sound bad because I should have
Speaker 2: probably researched this. But when I was a kid, maybe
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen years old. There was a movie how and
Speaker 2: and this is y'all might can help me with this.
Speaker 2: But I remember in the movie they'd put out like
Speaker 2: this electric fence out in the middle of nowhere, and
Speaker 2: this thing was breaking all the barriers. And I had
Speaker 2: gone to see that, and you know, when I walked
Speaker 2: out of that, I was like, Oh, that's crazy there.
Speaker 4: You know, those things don't aren't real what you're about.
Speaker 2: Oh so if I was so seventy seven, i'd have
Speaker 2: been ten. So probably seventy eight seventy nine.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's a Probably that Sasquatch one where all the
Speaker 3: guys going that that horse train out into the woods.
Speaker 3: Get Yes, that's it, Yeah, that one. What is it?
Speaker 3: We have a poster of it on staves in the
Speaker 3: museum a Sasquatch.
Speaker 6: It's called Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: There you go, yeah, thank you, Matt Pruitt. Sasquatch the
Speaker 3: Legend of Bigfoot. Yeah, nineteen sixty eight or something like that,
Speaker 3: or I mean nineteen seventy six rather.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I was like nine, nine or ten. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So anyway, I saw that, and you know, had no
Speaker 2: credence towards that at all, Like you know, I'm in Tennessee.
Speaker 2: You know that's it's a big old hoax. And I
Speaker 2: don't know that you even really see sasquatch in that movie.
Speaker 2: And so I never believed in anything like that ever.
Speaker 2: So you know, even when I got to the Mountains
Speaker 2: of Colorado, I just nobody ever brought it up, and
Speaker 2: you know, and I honestly never thought about it.
Speaker 3: So well, then let's let's go into your sighting. What's
Speaker 3: the context? What were you doing out there? When was this?
Speaker 3: You know, all that sort of stuff kind of lead
Speaker 3: us up to a walk us through it.
Speaker 2: So and I'm sorry, I am so unprepared. I did
Speaker 2: a report right after the right after I had the
Speaker 2: second sighting, So that report on the BFRO will tell you.
Speaker 2: I want to say. It was like ninety eight. Maybe
Speaker 2: I had been guiding for a couple of years, had
Speaker 2: won Colorado Guide of the Year the year before, I
Speaker 2: do remember that, and so we me and the head
Speaker 2: guide that summer had found a spot on the backside
Speaker 2: of PAC's Peak back in the wilderness area there that
Speaker 2: summer and had found just a bunch of elk, And
Speaker 2: so he and I decided that two weeks prior to season.
Speaker 2: We would go in, take a couple of the new
Speaker 2: guys and set up some wall tents and you know,
Speaker 2: corrals for the horses. Because it was my horse. It
Speaker 2: was probably about a three and a half four hour
Speaker 2: ride by horse. And so we'd gone in and you know,
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks prior to the season, and by
Speaker 2: that time I had clients that repeat clients, so they
Speaker 2: had hunted with me in years, you know, a couple
Speaker 2: of years passed and he had definitely had repeat clients,
Speaker 2: and so we're like, man, let's let's give these guys
Speaker 2: a great hunt. And so we took me and him,
Speaker 2: Bob Gorman. We had we each had two clients and
Speaker 2: then we had a cook, slash, a wrangler. He took
Speaker 2: care of the horses and stuff. And so the day
Speaker 2: the clients get in we have so four six we
Speaker 2: had seven horses and probably eight mules to pack everybody
Speaker 2: stuff in on and all of that for a seven
Speaker 2: day hunt. And each client had an elk tag and
Speaker 2: each client had a deer tag, and one of my
Speaker 2: clients actually had a bear tag. So we went in
Speaker 2: that you know, we went in on a Saturday. We
Speaker 2: got there Saturday afternoon and got it. Everybody settled, and
Speaker 2: you know, the cook did his thing and just had
Speaker 2: a great afternoon and evening riding in. And next morning
Speaker 2: we get up and we killed three elk right away,
Speaker 2: three bulls, and we're having like, we're like, holy cow,
Speaker 2: this is amazing. I don't know if you've ever done
Speaker 2: that or not, but when you kill an elk, it's
Speaker 2: it's an all day process, really, and so when you
Speaker 2: kill three elk, it's really an all day process. And
Speaker 2: so you know, we didn't finish till late at night.
Speaker 2: And then the next day my other client who didn't
Speaker 2: kill he and I went out by ourselves while the
Speaker 2: rest of them went meal dier honey, and my client
Speaker 2: killed a bull that morning about nine o'clock. Well, so
Speaker 2: we start working on that elk and we get back, well,
Speaker 2: the other three guys had already killed a mule dinner.
Speaker 2: I'm like, holy cow. They're like, we're having a like
Speaker 2: the best time ever, you know. And so anyway, the
Speaker 2: next morning we get up and my client kills a
Speaker 2: mule deer and we went back to one of the
Speaker 2: gut piles, and that afternoon he shot a bear. So
Speaker 2: in three days we had killed you know, four four
Speaker 2: deer and a bear. I mean, it was just the
Speaker 2: most amazing thing. And so it was on a Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Wednesday or Thursday, and we decided that we were going
Speaker 2: to pack the meat out, and where the wrench was
Speaker 2: was close to a town called Cripple Creek. They're on
Speaker 2: the back side of Pike's Pee. And so we were like,
Speaker 2: let's let's pack out in the morning or you know, whenever.
Speaker 2: We get everything packed and ready to go, and we'll
Speaker 2: go back to the ranch. We'll get the meat hung
Speaker 2: in the coolers and all that, and get the hides
Speaker 2: and the heads taken care of, and then we'll go
Speaker 2: spend a couple of nights in Cripple Creek and have fun.
Speaker 2: And everybody was up for that, and so that's that
Speaker 2: was the plan. So by the time we got off
Speaker 2: our gear and everything situated and horses ready and every
Speaker 2: you know, meat and heads and all that, by the
Speaker 2: time we got ready to go, it was it was
Speaker 2: probably one or two o'clock in the afternoon. And so
Speaker 2: we're coming back and we're about more than halfway back
Speaker 2: to the trailhead where the trucks and the horse trailers
Speaker 2: were at and we're coming along the side of this
Speaker 2: mountain and on the trail it does like almost a
Speaker 2: ninety degree loop, if you will, like a horse shoe.
Speaker 2: And so I'm in the lead. I've got two or
Speaker 2: three pack animals, and then we've got the four clients
Speaker 2: just on horses, and then we've got the cook and
Speaker 2: he's probably got a couple of pack animals, and then
Speaker 2: the head gud Bob was riding drag and he's got
Speaker 2: the rest of the meals. He's got probably six meals
Speaker 2: with him. So we're in this horseshoe and I get
Speaker 2: through the horseshoe and my horse just started acting crazy,
Speaker 2: like he wouldn't go anywhere. He was like trotting, like
Speaker 2: just his front feet, like he was trying to stemp
Speaker 2: out something. And so Bob's on the other side of me,
Speaker 2: not fifty yards, and we're looking at each other and
Speaker 2: he's like, what's going on. I said, man must be
Speaker 2: a bear or a mountain lion or something. I said,
Speaker 2: he smells something, cause I mean I'd had that horse's
Speaker 2: and parades and nothing really bothered that horse. And so
Speaker 2: Bob's like, we'll get off and lead him on up
Speaker 2: the trail, and so where we were at it was
Speaker 2: pretty steep grade right there. And so instead of getting
Speaker 2: off on the downhill side, because I'm only five to
Speaker 2: nine so I'm not real tall, so I got off
Speaker 2: on the right side of the horse on the upside
Speaker 2: of the mountain. And as soon as I got off,
Speaker 2: this thing burst between everybody down this valley. And I'll
Speaker 2: be honest with you, the only thing I really saw
Speaker 2: was like a head and the shoulders, and I'm I'm going,
Speaker 2: is that a bear? Like? What is that? Is that
Speaker 2: a bear? And this thing is so fast, so fast
Speaker 2: didn't make a noise, like like you could hear the
Speaker 2: pine vals like you know when you're running on them,
Speaker 2: but like it wasn't any crunching or any sticks breaking
Speaker 2: or anything like this. I mean, it was like full
Speaker 2: speed down this mountain.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
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Speaker 2: And so all these guys are freaking out and I'm
Speaker 2: thinking bear, I'm like, is that a bear? Like?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: Because all I could I could barely see over the
Speaker 2: saddle where I was at. And so anyway, my horse
Speaker 2: starts acting weird. So, you know, twenty thirty seconds, maybe
Speaker 2: a minute later, everything kind of calms down. I get
Speaker 2: back on my horse and off we go, and I'm
Speaker 2: asking Bob. I'm like, man, I've never seen a bear
Speaker 2: do that. And Bob goes, that was no bear. I'm like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean? That wasn't no bear. Well, the
Speaker 2: clients right away started yelling bigfoot, and I'm like, what bigfoot? Like,
Speaker 2: that's not a thing. Come on, that was a bear, man, No,
Speaker 2: come on as a bear, and Bob goes, dude, it
Speaker 2: was on two legs. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like,
Speaker 2: no way. So I was still doubting what I saw
Speaker 2: because I didn't I didn't get a clear, clean look
Speaker 2: at it. So anyway, we get back up to the
Speaker 2: horse trailers and the wrangler has the big horse trailer
Speaker 2: and then I have a horse trailer, and then we
Speaker 2: had somebody meet us down there to pick up the clients. Well,
Speaker 2: we got every the clients got picked up, and we
Speaker 2: never really had a conversation at all with them, you know,
Speaker 2: unloading horses and geared meat and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and so it was just me and the wrangler and
Speaker 2: Bob there and we're getting everything loaded up, and the
Speaker 2: Wrangler's like, dude, that was bigfoot. I'm like, man, there's
Speaker 2: I said. It's not even real. Man, Like, come on.
Speaker 2: And so Bob gets in the truck with me and
Speaker 2: we've got probably about an hour drive back to where
Speaker 2: we're going, and we're going up the mountain and Bob's like, man,
Speaker 2: I've heard people talk about that thing, but I've never,
Speaker 2: ever in my life, ever thought i'd see one. And
Speaker 2: he'd been doing he'd been guiding. He was probably in
Speaker 2: his sixties then, and I mean this guy had been
Speaker 2: guiding since he was thirty, so I mean he's got
Speaker 2: thirty years out there and had never seen this thing.
Speaker 2: And so one of Bob's big things was, look, when
Speaker 2: we get back to the ranch, we don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: We like, this never happened. And I'm like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about? He goes, man, what if it gets
Speaker 2: out that we saw a bigfoot? He's like, and it
Speaker 2: gets out like big time. And this was way before
Speaker 2: like social media and all that match, right, and so,
Speaker 2: and what was I mean back then, we were getting
Speaker 2: like all the good write ups and like Western Horsemen
Speaker 2: and you know, Bow Hunting magazine, North American Hunting Magazine,
Speaker 2: and so his big thing was don't say a word.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no worries by me. You know, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say anything. So I never paid any attention. And
Speaker 2: so fast forward almost a year to the day, almost
Speaker 2: it's opening season. So I've got two brothers that are
Speaker 2: coming in from Michigan that had hunted with me the
Speaker 2: year before, and so they had booked another hunt with me.
Speaker 2: So everybody comes in on a Saturday, and not that
Speaker 2: it matters, but when you're a new guide, these people
Speaker 2: show up, you kind of mingle with them. And if
Speaker 2: you hit it off with somebody and they like you
Speaker 2: and you like them, that's who you got. Well, I
Speaker 2: was in a position where I didn't have to do
Speaker 2: that anymore. I had to repeat customers, and I knew
Speaker 2: who was coming in, and I know what they liked
Speaker 2: and what they didn't like, that sort of thing, and
Speaker 2: so you know, I'm just kind of sitting there at
Speaker 2: the lodge and I'm mingling with people and I'm waiting
Speaker 2: for my guys to get there from the airport. And
Speaker 2: I get a phone call from the two brothers saying
Speaker 2: that their dad had passed away and that they weren't
Speaker 2: going to be able to make it. And so this
Speaker 2: was like nine o'clock at night, and so by that
Speaker 2: time all the other clients had been taken. So here
Speaker 2: I'm left with not having any clients for the for
Speaker 2: the week. And so I go to the owner and
Speaker 2: the head guide and I said, Hey, do you guys
Speaker 2: want me to stick around this week? I said, I
Speaker 2: have an elk tag in my pocket. I'd love to
Speaker 2: go hunt. And Bob goes, where are you going to
Speaker 2: go hunt? I said, probably down there. We had that
Speaker 2: great hunt last year. And Bob goes, I don't know
Speaker 2: if i'd go down there. I'm like, come on, man, really,
Speaker 2: And so anyway, the next morning, I get up and
Speaker 2: I go to the trail head and so I hike in.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a backpack, got my bow, and
Speaker 2: I even took a fishing ride because it's a couple
Speaker 2: of beaver ponds down there that have brook troiling in them.
Speaker 2: And you know, I was just going to do it
Speaker 2: up for a week and have fun. And if I'd
Speaker 2: killed one, I'd hiked out and come grab my horse
Speaker 2: and packed it out. And it'd been a lot easier,
Speaker 2: you know that way. So anyway, I hike in there
Speaker 2: that afternoon, and I get in there, you know, fairly
Speaker 2: late in the afternoon, probably three o'clock or so, because
Speaker 2: it takes me about five hours to get in there,
Speaker 2: walk in five or six, and I get in there,
Speaker 2: and I set up a tent, and I'm at the
Speaker 2: very last beaver pond. And where this place is located,
Speaker 2: to the south is this big, huge ridge that goes
Speaker 2: on for like two miles. It's just solid rock and
Speaker 2: it's probably a couple thousand feet tall, like the only
Speaker 2: way anybody's going up or down that way. You'd have
Speaker 2: to be a professional rock climber to do that. But
Speaker 2: there's this valley that comes out of it, and it's
Speaker 2: meadows with aspen and it's just like the perfect little
Speaker 2: cubby hole for elk, and there's lots of water in there.
Speaker 2: And so I'm at the very last beaver pond and
Speaker 2: caught a couple of brookies and cooked those up, and
Speaker 2: the elk were bugling, and I mean, it was just
Speaker 2: a perfect night. And so I get up the next
Speaker 2: morning and make some coffee, and I hear the elk bugling,
Speaker 2: and so I go up and I passed a couple
Speaker 2: of these beaver ponds. Is I'm headed kind of up
Speaker 2: towards the cliffs, and to the right there's an outcrop
Speaker 2: in there. So I crawled up on the outcropping and
Speaker 2: I was gonna wait for the sun to come up.
Speaker 2: And during all this, like I said the elk word,
Speaker 2: screaming and bugling and doing everything, and I was so excited,
Speaker 2: like like I was having so much fun. And so
Speaker 2: the sun's starting to come up a little bit, and
Speaker 2: to where I can use my binoculars. Now, when you're guiding,
Speaker 2: binoculars is your number one friend. I mean, if you
Speaker 2: don't have binoculars, you're you're gonna miss so much out
Speaker 2: there in that big country that's out there. And so
Speaker 2: we had become sponsored by all these different manufacturers, like
Speaker 2: you know, we were sponsored by Rocky Boots and you know,
Speaker 2: real Tree camouflage, and but one of our best and
Speaker 2: biggest sponsors was Seiss binoculars. And it was kind of
Speaker 2: before Sarovsky had come out and become big and all that.
Speaker 2: So Seiss was as good as it gets, when you know,
Speaker 2: it was as good as it got during that period
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so I had a pair of ten
Speaker 2: by fifty Zeiss and when you're guiding on just a
Speaker 2: regular hunt, you were in those binoculars probably eighty percent
Speaker 2: of the time, so you know, and then with all
Speaker 2: my training and stuff in the military, there's a way
Speaker 2: to glass areas and especially if you're looking for you know,
Speaker 2: enemy guys and all that, and it pertains the same
Speaker 2: way basically to Honey. So anyway, I'm up on this
Speaker 2: out cropping and it's daylight, it's getting daylight, and so
Speaker 2: I hear an elp bugle, and I would, you know,
Speaker 2: I'd get my binoculars up and oh, there he is.
Speaker 2: He's three hundred yards away. And another one would bugle,
Speaker 2: and you know, he's five hundred yards away. And all
Speaker 2: in all, there was probably seven or eight different bulls
Speaker 2: than this herd of elk, and they were just scattered
Speaker 2: all along this like meadow area. So anyway, I heard
Speaker 2: just bugled down by where my tent was, and my
Speaker 2: tent was probably about three hundred and fifty four hundred
Speaker 2: george away, and so I just glassed down there and
Speaker 2: it bugled again, and I realized that he was closer
Speaker 2: to me than my tent. So I'm kind of working
Speaker 2: the glass back up towards me, and I'm hitting these
Speaker 2: beaver ponds. You can see these beaver ponds, and I
Speaker 2: noticed this thing in this beaver pine. Like I said, man,
Speaker 2: those elk are down there wallowing in those beaver ponds.
Speaker 2: And so I'm, you know, it's right at first light,
Speaker 2: and so I'm, you know, I'm really focused on what's
Speaker 2: going on down there, because I could get to those
Speaker 2: elk fairly quick, you know, if I wanted to. And
Speaker 2: so I'm looking at this beaver pond and then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, this thing raises up out of this
Speaker 2: pond and I'm like, holy cow, like, what in the
Speaker 2: world is this. So then it gets out of the
Speaker 2: beaver pond, and right away I'm thinking, Okay, that's the
Speaker 2: bigfoot that they're talking about. I'm freaked out inside a
Speaker 2: little bit because, I mean, nobody, if you've never seen one,
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't know till you know, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know how else to explain that. I Mean,
Speaker 2: you know, we can say there's aliens, but until you
Speaker 2: see one, you don't know how you're going to react,
Speaker 2: especially with a big foot or a sasquatch. So this
Speaker 2: thing gets out and he kind of shakes off a
Speaker 2: little bit, and man, I am like zooming in on
Speaker 2: this thing, and he's probably about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: yards out, so with ten by fifty s ice like,
Speaker 2: I can see this thing blinking, you know. And my
Speaker 2: first thought really wasn't you know, oh my gosh, oh
Speaker 2: my gosh or whatever. My first thought was, this is
Speaker 2: a monster. And if he comes at you, and I'm
Speaker 2: hunting with a recurved bow like the Indians used to do,
Speaker 2: I'm like, if this thing comes at you, you're gonna
Speaker 2: have one shot. That's it.
Speaker 4: Did you have a sight on?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: I still don't even, like, even to this day, I
Speaker 2: don't carry a gun in the woods. It's not an
Speaker 2: ego thing. I've seen too many people carry firearms and
Speaker 2: shoot animals that they think they're getting attacked by that.
Speaker 2: If you had just used a calm head, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: have happened, you know kind of thing. So I'm not.
Speaker 2: I don't claim to be something I'm not or anything.
Speaker 2: I just never have. I mean, I'm holding a bow
Speaker 2: in my hand, so you know, if I can't get
Speaker 2: something to stop by me shooting it with an arrow,
Speaker 2: you know, and I've had some close calls, you know,
Speaker 2: up in Alaska, I had a close call. I've had
Speaker 2: one mountain lion experience that was kind of a weird thing.
Speaker 2: But you know, in all my years of doing this,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for over thirty years, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm just I've never put myself in a position to
Speaker 2: where I felt like I needed to carry for arm.
Speaker 2: So but so anyway, this thing kind of he's kind
Speaker 2: of shaking the water off of him. I guess you
Speaker 2: would say, not like a dog, but you know, there's
Speaker 2: like one arm and then the other arm. And while
Speaker 2: he's doing this, I am noticing that, like this thing
Speaker 2: is built like anything I've never seen. Like the forearms
Speaker 2: were massive, the hands were massive. I mean the legs
Speaker 2: were like like, man, you know, looking back in a
Speaker 2: calm area, I'm like, man, I wish I had legs
Speaker 2: like that, you know. I mean, this thing was just
Speaker 2: for a reacher or whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 2: I mean, this thing was in peak physical condition. And
Speaker 2: so I'm sitting there watching it and he's kind of turned.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm sitting facing to the to the northeast. That's
Speaker 2: kind of where he's at but he's facing more north
Speaker 2: than east, and he hasn't I don't he hasn't seen me,
Speaker 2: at least I don't think he had. And he turns.
Speaker 2: And when you're when you're in a when you're in
Speaker 2: glass like that ten by fifty binoculars like that, when
Speaker 2: he turns and looks up towards me, you think he's
Speaker 2: looking you through your soul, you know, when in fact,
Speaker 2: he's probably looking past me, or he could have been
Speaker 2: looking at me. I don't know. But through the binoculars
Speaker 2: it was like he was looking through my soul. But
Speaker 2: he didn't look he didn't look scary though, I mean,
Speaker 2: he looked to me more man like. Then you know,
Speaker 2: people describe gorillas or whatever. And we'll get back to
Speaker 2: Keith Foster, because he did a drawing that was just amazing.
Speaker 2: I mean it was so spot on. And so I'm
Speaker 2: sitting here and this thing doesn't appear to be a
Speaker 2: threat to me, and so I kind of you know,
Speaker 2: I'm at a twelve, and so now I'm at like
Speaker 2: a ten, and I'm thinking strategy more than anything else,
Speaker 2: Like if he comes at me, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Da da da da? That kind of thing, and but
Speaker 2: I'm getting to watch him and he's just middling around
Speaker 2: this beaver pond, and you know, I watched him mess
Speaker 2: with his face, like he touched his face. I'm watching
Speaker 2: his eyes blink, you know. At one time he reached
Speaker 2: down to get like a clump of mud off his leg,
Speaker 2: which was kind of different. And so then he turns
Speaker 2: and he walks north towards my camp, and he's having
Speaker 2: to go up this hill, and so he gets kind
Speaker 2: of cross side heeling, if you will, and he gets
Speaker 2: about even with my tent, and he squats down like
Speaker 2: he's using the bathroom, and he's looking right at my
Speaker 2: camp and he's just sitting there and he's watching my tent.
Speaker 2: And so I've already decided that once he crosses that hill,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it about ten minutes. If he
Speaker 2: doesn't come back, I'm going to go down there and
Speaker 2: grab my gear and I'm getting out, because I mean,
Speaker 2: he was scary enough that I didn't want to be
Speaker 2: in there by myself with him. I don't care how
Speaker 2: many Elko's in there.
Speaker 3: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 3: Bobo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: So anyway, he sat there probably about two or three minutes,
Speaker 2: and he gets ups and he goes up and over
Speaker 2: the hill. And so, like I said, I waited ten
Speaker 2: or fifteen minutes, and I crawled down off that rock
Speaker 2: that I was on, and I ran down to my
Speaker 2: camp and I quickly packed it. And it took me
Speaker 2: about five or six hours to get in there, and
Speaker 2: it took me about three and a half to get out.
Speaker 2: So I basically ran or jogged all the way back
Speaker 2: to the car or the truck. And so yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean the whole episode of seeing this thing was probably
Speaker 2: about ten minutes long. And once I get back to
Speaker 2: the vehicle, of course, coming out of there, I was
Speaker 2: totally paranoid, like it's this thing following me, Like you
Speaker 2: know what happens he jumps out blah blah blah, and
Speaker 2: so you know, this total state of paranoia hiking out
Speaker 2: of there and running and you know, just almost killing
Speaker 2: myself to get out. And so I get to the
Speaker 2: truck and immediately I go to the ranch and it's
Speaker 2: probably gosh, I don't know, it's probably around lunchtime, maybe
Speaker 2: at one o'clock, and so everybody's out hunting like, there's
Speaker 2: no guides there, there's no clients there, but the owner
Speaker 2: was there, Gary Jordan, and I go into Gary's office
Speaker 2: and he's like, man, did you kill one? Did you
Speaker 2: come to get the horses? And I'm like no, Gary,
Speaker 2: I said, you know that thing that happened to us
Speaker 2: last year with me and Bob and the coat, And
Speaker 2: he goes, yeah, I said, I saw this thing up close.
Speaker 2: And he goes, what are you talking about. I said,
Speaker 2: I watched him for ten minutes this morning and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: you didn't. He goes, it was a bear. I said, Gary,
Speaker 2: I have how many bears have I got it on?
Speaker 2: I had up to that point, I'd killed probably me personally,
Speaker 2: had probably killed like five bears, but I had got
Speaker 2: it on probably twenty five or thirty by that time.
Speaker 2: So I know what a bear is, you know. And
Speaker 2: that's what I'm telling Gary. I'm like, that was no bear, man.
Speaker 2: I'm like that, I don't know what it is, you know.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I'd never researched sasquatch or Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: didn't have any knowledge of any of that, and so
Speaker 2: I didn't have anything like nowadays you hear people go well,
Speaker 2: it's a mix between a man and an ape or
Speaker 2: a monkey or something. I didn't have that. I was like,
Speaker 2: it was one of the best built men. Harry people
Speaker 2: that And I came up with like Neanderthal because that's
Speaker 2: what I think of Neanderthal would look like. And that's
Speaker 2: what I told Gary, and Gary goes, well, he goes,
Speaker 2: you're obviously shook. And I had an apartment down in
Speaker 2: Colorado Springs at the time, and he goes, you need
Speaker 2: to go home and spend a couple of days and
Speaker 2: come on back up here Friday night and let's get
Speaker 2: back on the saddle and start guiding again. I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: So I go down there, and I do have a
Speaker 2: computer at the time, and I get on there and
Speaker 2: I google Bigfoot or Sasquatch, and I start seeing all
Speaker 2: this stuff. And it's the first time of me seeing
Speaker 2: the Patty film and this thing looked a lot like Patty,
Speaker 2: except the mail version. And because it was a mail
Speaker 2: and so anyway, I come across the BFRO website. Didn't
Speaker 2: know they even had a thing like that, and it said, hey,
Speaker 2: if you've had a sighting or whatever, please tell us.
Speaker 2: So I sat there for like two hours typing, and
Speaker 2: I would like, you know, like I'm going, is this
Speaker 2: too much information? Not enough information? You know, blah blah
Speaker 2: blah whatever. And it's on like a Wednesday. No, it's
Speaker 2: not even that. It's on like a Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 2: And so I write my story and tell what happened,
Speaker 2: you know, both accounts, the first one and then this
Speaker 2: last one, and I write on there you know, this
Speaker 2: happened yesterday. And I submitted it. Well, within like less
Speaker 2: than an hour, I get a call from Matt Moneymaker.
Speaker 4: Oh how was that?
Speaker 2: I had no clue who he was. Like, he goes, hi,
Speaker 2: am Matt Moneymaker and you know President bf R own boom,
Speaker 2: and he goes tell me about your story. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: you know, and he's like, can we if I get
Speaker 2: a guys out there, can you know, can we come
Speaker 2: and look? And I'm like, I said, well, I'm a
Speaker 2: full time guy. And I said, if you got somebody
Speaker 2: out here that the only way I'd do that is
Speaker 2: if they came in the next day or two. Well,
Speaker 2: by George. That night, I get a phone call and
Speaker 2: to my for my life, I can't think of the
Speaker 2: name of these two guys. One of them's name was
Speaker 2: Jim and maybe y'all can help me with this. But
Speaker 2: he and I don't know if he was just telling
Speaker 2: me a story or what, but he had said that
Speaker 2: he at one time he had set like the highest
Speaker 2: altitude sky diving record or something, and his name was
Speaker 2: Jeff something. I took him in there and we looked around,
Speaker 2: and sure enough, we found prints around that beaver pond,
Speaker 2: and up until a couple of years ago, I actually
Speaker 2: had a copy of that casting and or had the
Speaker 2: original cast really and through a divorce and all that
Speaker 2: and moving, I have no idea where it's at. But
Speaker 2: so anyway, so that happened, and shortly after that, man
Speaker 2: I started getting phone calls from all kinds of people.
Speaker 2: And what was one of the weirdest things that happened
Speaker 2: to me was I get a call from this guy
Speaker 2: like I didn't and he goes, hey, is your address
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah, and I'm going yeah, he goes, good,
Speaker 2: at four o'clock today, you're going to receive a package.
Speaker 2: He goes, I'll see you there at like five o'clock.
Speaker 2: I'm like, who are you? He goes, I got this
Speaker 2: coming to you. He goes, I got to know if
Speaker 2: this is what you saw. And it was the original
Speaker 2: copy of I want to say, Memorial Day footage where
Speaker 2: the people were in the boat and the and the
Speaker 2: bigfoot runs across the side hill and then jumps that
Speaker 2: big gully. It was that footage. And I'm going, well,
Speaker 2: who are you, like? Where did you like, are you
Speaker 2: CIA or FBI or something? You know, because I've worked
Speaker 2: with those guys when I was, you know, in the military.
Speaker 2: I'm like, this is some CIA FBI stuff going on here.
Speaker 2: And so he actually I told him, I said, man,
Speaker 2: I don't have a VCR. He said, he brought a
Speaker 2: VCR with him and we hooked it up to my
Speaker 2: TV and watched it. And I'm going, well, the one
Speaker 2: I saw wasn't quite as big as that. I mean,
Speaker 2: the one I saw was probably like seven foot maybe.
Speaker 2: I mean, he wouldn't know. It wasn't like ten twelve
Speaker 2: foot or whatever something like that. He wasn't. I mean,
Speaker 2: seven foot's pretty big. But I mean this dude, this
Speaker 2: thing I saw was just jacked up. I mean just
Speaker 2: every part of his body was just muscled up. And
Speaker 2: so when this thing jumped that gully, I was like,
Speaker 2: I could totally believe that, and he goes, what do
Speaker 2: you mean, I said, the way these things are built,
Speaker 2: I said, I said, he could have probably jumped up
Speaker 2: on that rock outcome cropping and ate me for you know,
Speaker 2: breakfast that morning, and just the way he was built.
Speaker 2: And so after that, I really I never really had
Speaker 2: any more interaction. It didn't really change the way I
Speaker 2: felt in the woods. And I think the reason being
Speaker 2: is that, for lack of a better word, was a
Speaker 2: peaceful encounter. You know, I didn't feel like this thing
Speaker 2: was going to eat me or tear me apart or
Speaker 2: any of that. And you know, and I was fascinated
Speaker 2: by how it looked and all that. But you know,
Speaker 2: weeks and months following that, I kept thinking that, you know,
Speaker 2: that thing probably watched me walk right by him, because
Speaker 2: I followed that series of beaver ponds going up to
Speaker 2: that rock out cropping, and so that kind of set
Speaker 2: me on edge a little bit. But you know, I
Speaker 2: never had any ill will or bad feelings or you know,
Speaker 2: anything like that towards towards what I saw, and so
Speaker 2: you know, I carried on as normal. You know, I
Speaker 2: still guided, I still hunted, but hoping that maybe I'd
Speaker 2: see another one something, you know, because it was just cool.
Speaker 2: So now I'm not going to tell you that coming
Speaker 2: out of a mountain, you know, and you're six miles
Speaker 2: from your vehicle and your own foot and it's dark,
Speaker 2: you don't think about that because you do. But you know,
Speaker 2: as far as ever being scared or you know, beyond
Speaker 2: being able to do whatever, and just never happened for me.
Speaker 3: So well, at the end of the day, I mean,
Speaker 3: if they're real, they were real before you saw them too,
Speaker 3: So what why should anything change?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Could you describe how it moved asarng as you said,
Speaker 5: it shook, It shook itself.
Speaker 4: Dry when it got out of the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so like when you get out of
Speaker 2: the shower, you know how you might take say the
Speaker 2: right arm and you and you kind of brush your
Speaker 2: left arm just to get the excess water off. Yea,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like that.
Speaker 3: Was it just to the arms or did it do
Speaker 3: It's all over the body too.
Speaker 2: He kind of like from the shoulder to probably the
Speaker 2: mid forearm. He kind of did that, and then he
Speaker 2: did it like where his belly would be like there,
Speaker 2: and he like his thighs and then he bent down
Speaker 2: and was picking like I assumed it was a clump
Speaker 2: of dirt or mud or something since he had been
Speaker 2: in that beaver pond, and like he was picking something
Speaker 2: off his leg, like mud or or something like that.
Speaker 2: And so that's that was the when he got out
Speaker 2: of the beaver pond there.
Speaker 5: How about the eyes you said you saw the you
Speaker 5: saw the eyes through the did Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't know if you did. I did. I send
Speaker 2: you a copy or a photograph, Matt, of the drawing
Speaker 2: that Keith did.
Speaker 6: No, I don't have that, but I'm going to try
Speaker 6: to search for it right now while we're talking to it,
Speaker 6: and I'll send it to you. Oh that'd be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I mean this thing it looked ninety eight
Speaker 2: percent human to me, with the exception that it had
Speaker 2: a lot of hair. So I mean it kind of
Speaker 2: had like a everybody says a crowned head like, but
Speaker 2: it was it was more like a domed kind of
Speaker 2: rounded head. His nose was almost like that of a person,
Speaker 2: you know, a little flatter against his against his face.
Speaker 2: But his lips were I mean, can you use the
Speaker 2: word normal, but I mean they were normal for what
Speaker 2: I was looking at I guess, and the eyes just
Speaker 2: looked they looked like our eyes, really, I mean, you
Speaker 2: know they there wasn't anything crazy about on.
Speaker 4: Could you see the whites there?
Speaker 2: No? I couldn't. No, I didn't see it that good.
Speaker 2: But I couldn't tell when it was blinking because the
Speaker 2: whole forehead would move when he blinked.
Speaker 5: So did it blink like a human like I've heard
Speaker 5: they don't blink very much compared to humans like they
Speaker 5: they don't blink his office A lot of people have
Speaker 5: reported did you notice that?
Speaker 2: No, I mean as far as how many times he
Speaker 2: blinked or whatever, not really, but I do recall that
Speaker 2: he blinked. And the reason I do is because he
Speaker 2: had like this above his eyes was like a brow
Speaker 2: line kind of thing, but it wasn't like huge, But
Speaker 2: when he did blink, that brow line would move and
Speaker 2: you can see that, And so that's that's how I
Speaker 2: know he was.
Speaker 4: Blinking like fat There was fat up in there, not
Speaker 4: just like the bony brow.
Speaker 5: It was like like a fat depositive or something.
Speaker 2: You think maybe, I mean, you ever seen those old
Speaker 2: guys that have like the unibrow kind of kind of
Speaker 2: look like that, except it protruded a little bit, So,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if that was just like
Speaker 2: a unibrow kind of thing where if that was a
Speaker 2: part of his you know, muscular makeup. I'm not sure,
Speaker 2: but I do know that when he blinked, that whole
Speaker 2: section moved, and you know, I didn't notice that he
Speaker 2: didn't have much of a neck on him.
Speaker 5: How is the body proportions like limb legs and comparison,
Speaker 5: like a human was like.
Speaker 2: Longer his legs, and his arms weren't proportional to his body,
Speaker 2: Like his arms were longer than normal. I don't know
Speaker 2: that they came down to his knees, but they definitely
Speaker 2: hung lower than what a person's would. But I could
Speaker 2: tell that like his torso was the bigger part because
Speaker 2: his legs were so massive, like just so massive, and
Speaker 2: so his legs were smaller than the rest of his body.
Speaker 2: I guess is the best way to say that. I
Speaker 2: don't know any way describe that, I guess. So I
Speaker 2: guess his torso from his waist up was bigger or
Speaker 2: taller than from the waist down. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if that makes the arms look different or not.
Speaker 4: So.
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Speaker 2: The hands big hands, and I mean full on massive,
Speaker 2: massive hands, because I noticed his hand when he reached
Speaker 2: down to pick whatever was on his leg. Off, I
Speaker 2: noticed that his hand like was as big as his leg,
Speaker 2: if that makes sense, Like it was huge.
Speaker 3: Did it seem proportional to the size of the body
Speaker 3: or is it a bigger in proportion or smaller in proportion?
Speaker 2: I think it was proportional. I do think they were
Speaker 2: probably proportional, because I mean this thing, I mean even
Speaker 2: making a reference to like I don't know the body
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 4: Actor of Arnold Schwarzeninger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you Arnold's I mean, as far as his
Speaker 2: physicality was, he was all that and then so like
Speaker 2: had you know, I couldn't actually see the six pack,
Speaker 2: you know, abs, but I mean you could tell that
Speaker 2: it was just built. I mean, this thing was just
Speaker 2: built to live there. It was it was unreal.
Speaker 4: How about hairlict and coloration.
Speaker 2: So he was between like so when the when he
Speaker 2: when he did that side, he'll he kind of got
Speaker 2: up into where the sun was finally cresting over the
Speaker 2: mountain a little bit, And up until that point he
Speaker 2: looked brown to me. But then when he hit the sunshine,
Speaker 2: the sunlight a little bit, it kind of almost had
Speaker 2: like a reddish tint to it. So I don't know
Speaker 2: if that was just the sun reflecting off his brown hair.
Speaker 2: But the hair was pretty proportional. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't like long, stragglely something crazy like you see
Speaker 2: in some of these movies. I mean, it was pretty
Speaker 2: I don't want to use the word man or groomed,
Speaker 2: but I mean, you know, his face probably had maybe
Speaker 2: an inch or half inch hair, and his head probably
Speaker 2: the same, and then.
Speaker 8: Around his neck was had like a almost like a
Speaker 8: maine kind of like you could his hair started getting
Speaker 8: longer at his in his chest, in his arms, and
Speaker 8: so his hands were.
Speaker 2: Didn't have any hair on at all, like you know,
Speaker 2: especially the palm of his hand had no hair at all.
Speaker 2: So and it was it was like a and I
Speaker 2: haven't thought about this in forever, but I remember it
Speaker 2: was like a baseball, mit is what it looked like
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: What color was the skin.
Speaker 9: Almost like a almost like a grayish black color, more gray,
Speaker 9: I think, so it was like a weathered I remember
Speaker 9: it being like this weathered look.
Speaker 3: I've heard reports of people who have said, I've spoken
Speaker 3: to people actually who like yourself, who had seen them
Speaker 3: very close or through binoculars or something like that, and
Speaker 3: they commented about how the face look weathered. They did
Speaker 3: use the weather just like you did, but they also
Speaker 3: use things like wrinkled and old, leathery, and like, did
Speaker 3: they have any of that kind of characteristic to it,
Speaker 3: like in desperate need of moisturizer?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, because he, the one I saw, had like
Speaker 2: quite a bit of hair on his face. The only
Speaker 2: place void of hair was kind of around his lips,
Speaker 2: in his nose, and then the rest of it, you know,
Speaker 2: was pretty hairy. But it was weird because it looked
Speaker 2: almost groomed, like if he'd gone if you'd gone to
Speaker 2: a barber and had it shaved to a certain length
Speaker 2: or something. But what what I looked at didn't appear
Speaker 2: to be old at all. No, I sent Matt the picture.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's exactly what what you're looking at is
Speaker 2: exactly what I saw exactly. I mean, so if you
Speaker 2: look at that picture, I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you could age that or not. I mean, thirties forties,
Speaker 2: I mean not old enough to be like an old
Speaker 2: withered man kind of thing, you know.
Speaker 3: And for the people listening who are members, I guess
Speaker 3: we'll go ahead and put that on the on the Patreon.
Speaker 3: Is that right foru?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll post that there and yeah, Bobo, I sent
Speaker 6: it to the group.
Speaker 3: Text oh, text email, Jeff, you mentioned earlier when you
Speaker 3: first put your eyes on this thing, you were actually
Speaker 3: looking for an elk bugling? Was there was there an
Speaker 3: elk in the area or was the thing making that noise?
Speaker 2: No, there was elk, because there was elk everywhere. There
Speaker 2: must have been. Yeah, there must have been probably, and
Speaker 2: I don't want to exaggerate, but at least seventy five
Speaker 2: to one hundred elk in that little valley.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I can't say that he was making that
Speaker 2: noise because I'd heard all kinds elk that morning and
Speaker 2: actually had glassed up two or three that were bugling.
Speaker 2: So I was just up there trying to figure out
Speaker 2: which one I was about to go after.
Speaker 3: So do you have photographs of the original cast that
Speaker 3: you mentioned?
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't have any, but you know, I
Speaker 2: think I think my sister might have one because I
Speaker 2: moved back to Nashville for a short stint and I
Speaker 2: had it sitting on a coffee table, and she took
Speaker 2: a picture with it. So I'll get with her and
Speaker 2: see if she has it, and if it does, I'll
Speaker 2: certainly afford it to you guys. But I remember the
Speaker 2: dimensions of it, so it was it was probably somewhere
Speaker 2: between sixteen and eighteen inches long, and it was the
Speaker 2: width of my hand and then some so probably I'm
Speaker 2: guessing four or five inches wide. Made me.
Speaker 4: You're the perfect guy to ask.
Speaker 5: I mean, boat hunters, and you're a guy, so you've
Speaker 5: chopped up tons of animals.
Speaker 4: If you think it's seven foot tall, how much you
Speaker 4: think it weighed?
Speaker 2: That's a great question. So the way the way I
Speaker 2: would probably approach that is, we know Shaquille O'Neill is
Speaker 2: seven to right, and Shaquille probably weighs three hundred three
Speaker 2: h five something like that. Maybe I'm guessing this thing
Speaker 2: was probably because of how muscular it was, because you know,
Speaker 2: muscle weighs more than fat. Anyway, I'm guessing, if I
Speaker 2: had to be accurate, probably somewhere between three fifty and five.
Speaker 4: Hundred because shack's about three fifty.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so then this thing probably had to be at least,
Speaker 2: you know, four to five hundred. Then there's no way
Speaker 2: at weighed eight one hundred or one thousand pounds. I
Speaker 2: just that'd be hard to say for me, but I'm
Speaker 2: guessing probably on the high end, probably five hundreds.
Speaker 3: After the sighting and and the realization, after your two sightings,
Speaker 3: and your realization that like, oh they smoked, these things
Speaker 3: are actually out there, These things are real. I have
Speaker 3: looking back at your previous guide experience and all the
Speaker 3: time you spent in the mountains, do you think you
Speaker 3: might have ever been close to one before that and
Speaker 3: you just didn't know because they weren't on the radar?
Speaker 2: You know what? I do think I have and it's
Speaker 2: only one one or two occasions because somebody else had
Speaker 2: asked me that. So when you're when you're hunting elk,
Speaker 2: elk put out a smell that you can if there's
Speaker 2: especially if there's a bunch of them during the mating season,
Speaker 2: a bull elk will will urinate on himself and and
Speaker 2: he'll get in what we call walls, which is they
Speaker 2: dig out of and it'll kind of that has water
Speaker 2: and they'll make mud out of it, and they'll get
Speaker 2: in there and they'll coat themselves in this mud because
Speaker 2: an elk will spend more time. A lot of people
Speaker 2: don't know this, but elka spend more time trying to
Speaker 2: stay cool than he will anything else. And so by
Speaker 2: kicking himself with his mud and all that, it helps
Speaker 2: him stay cool. And so during the mating season, what
Speaker 2: an elk do. He'll get in there and he'll start
Speaker 2: wallowing and doing all that. And while he's doing that,
Speaker 2: he'll urinate in the mud on himself. And so when
Speaker 2: the rut occurs, it usually goes on somewhere between anywhere
Speaker 2: from twenty five to forty days long. So you're thinking
Speaker 2: that this thing is doing this, you know, at two
Speaker 2: or three four times a day, and so that creates
Speaker 2: a smell. So it gives you that musky smell. And
Speaker 2: so a lot of times when you're hunting and you're
Speaker 2: down when of an elk, you can smell long before
Speaker 2: you ever seen them. And there had been a couple
Speaker 2: times that the stitch has come over us and you're going,
Speaker 2: that's not like, man, that is the grossest smelling elk
Speaker 2: I've ever smelled. You know, and in the back of
Speaker 2: your mind going, you know that don't even smell like
Speaker 2: an elk, and so so, not knowing one hundred percent,
Speaker 2: you know, if I had, I would say probably, just
Speaker 2: because I think I've smelled them before.
Speaker 10: So yeah, probably Did you talk about finding that gutted
Speaker 10: or female elk the cowk that was gutted that you
Speaker 10: didn't see the actual antle that you heard it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say, like, there's there's some really
Speaker 6: cool stuff that happened in the aftermath of all that
Speaker 6: that I think would be great for the member section
Speaker 6: that involved some of those things and some tracks and
Speaker 6: some sounds that I think you guys would love to hear,
Speaker 6: and I know our members would too.
Speaker 3: All right, well why do we do that? Then? Why
Speaker 3: don't we skid out all over to the member Because
Speaker 3: if there's follow up things and other unusual finds and
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Speaker 5: All right, folks, Well, thanks a lot of Jeff Desich
Speaker 5: for joining us. It's really important you know that we have,
Speaker 5: you know, qualified eyewitnesses.
Speaker 4: I mean disguis.
Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about a guy that's one outfit
Speaker 5: of the year for Colorado.
Speaker 4: I mean, so this guy's an expert.
Speaker 5: So I appreciate his uh an applaud his candor and
Speaker 5: honesty and bravery to come forward. So thank you, Jeff,
Speaker 5: and until next week, y'all keep it squatching.
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