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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>With Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are your favorites, so light say subscribe and

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<v Speaker 1>rade it. I'm stuck and me listening, oh watching, Lim

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<v Speaker 1>always keep it swatching.

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Boobo Fay,

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<v Speaker 3>Hey Bobs, how you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 4>All right? How are you doing? Cliff?

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty good? Pretty good, Just cruising along at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of my day, doing a podcast with some of my

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<v Speaker 3>best friends. So everything's looking down.

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<v Speaker 4>Guys, who's that.

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<v Speaker 3>Matt Pruitt and Bobo of course?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, Hey Bobs.

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<v Speaker 3>We're pretty excited. Why don't you let's get us into

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<v Speaker 3>the guests. Man, this is too good to talk anything

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<v Speaker 3>else about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've heard of this guys.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, you know, I heard about him for a while ago,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't remember the details ory thing. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>our illustrious producer Matt Pruitt actually got in touch with

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<v Speaker 5>him and it was pretty shocking to hear that's who that.

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<v Speaker 5>When I heard he said he got ahold of him,

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, Wow, that's nuts. So Matt tell us

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<v Speaker 5>tell us how you got ahold of him?

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it was really funny. One of our beloved members.

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<v Speaker 6>One of our Patreon members had reached out to me

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<v Speaker 6>and said, hey, I understand you know, we live in

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<v Speaker 6>the same town. We should meet up and have lunch

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<v Speaker 6>talk squatch. And no one's ever accused me of not

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<v Speaker 6>talking enough, so I was like, oh, I had an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 4>To go talk, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>So we're hanging out and making small talk. And I'd

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<v Speaker 6>asked him like, what got you into interested in the subject,

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<v Speaker 6>and he said, well, I was always kind of interested.

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<v Speaker 6>But I met a guy here in Nashville who had

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<v Speaker 6>seen one and I was like, well, that's cool, and

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<v Speaker 6>he said yeah, he was actually an elk hunter and

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<v Speaker 6>a guide in Colorado. And I was like, oh, that's

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<v Speaker 6>really interesting and he said yeah, he watched it through

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<v Speaker 6>binoculars for a few minutes, and I immediately recognized the

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<v Speaker 6>story because I was always a big fan of the

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<v Speaker 6>writings of a researcher from Kansas named Keith Foster, and

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<v Speaker 6>he actually worked with a number of elk hunters and

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<v Speaker 6>people that were prominent in that community in Colorado to

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<v Speaker 6>put together a lot of information about Sasquatch sidings there.

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<v Speaker 6>And then there was a journalist for the Denver Post

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<v Speaker 6>named Theo Stein who had written this. So I immediately

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<v Speaker 6>I just took a chance with this guy and I said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 6>is this friend of yours? Is his name Jeff die Singer?

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<v Speaker 6>And he was like, yeah, how did you know that?

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<v Speaker 6>And I was like, I got a pretty good memory

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<v Speaker 6>man for sasquatch related stuff, and so to learn that

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<v Speaker 6>he lived here in the same area as I do,

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<v Speaker 6>I reached out and we had a great conversation, and

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<v Speaker 6>I thought, we've got to get him on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 6>And so I know you guys are somewhat familiar with

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<v Speaker 6>the story, but I'm going to let Jeff tell it,

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<v Speaker 6>so you guys can host the conversation and I'm all

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<v Speaker 6>here for it.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, good score pro So welcome Jeff, thanks so

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<v Speaker 3>much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, thank you guys, Hey, Joe, Hey, Bobo. I will

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<v Speaker 2>say this to just begin that I have never done

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast on this ever. I've done a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>podcast on elk hunting and backcountry bow hunting and and

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<v Speaker 2>shooting professional archery but in the military stuff, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>never done this, so so this will be a first

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, us too, We've never had you on this. It'll

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<v Speaker 3>be great.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, this will be fund you condense your like what

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<v Speaker 7>you usually say on a on a podcast about hunting,

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<v Speaker 7>kind of kind of gave us a prettif inch on

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<v Speaker 7>you like what your what your qualifications in the woods are.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. I grew up here in middle Tennessee, small town,

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<v Speaker 2>grew up hunting, uh, you know, mostly small game, that

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<v Speaker 2>are probably familiar with. I heard of called Land between

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<v Speaker 2>the Lakes. Never once in my life have I ever

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<v Speaker 2>thought about Bigfoot, especially all the time I spent down

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<v Speaker 2>there as a kid. And then, you know, after high school,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to the military. I was a part of

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<v Speaker 2>the seventy fifth Special Forces out of Fort Benning. Been

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<v Speaker 2>deployed in South and Central America, Africa, over in the

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<v Speaker 2>Middle East. So did that, and I was with a QRF,

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<v Speaker 2>a Quick Reaction Force team, so if people got in trouble,

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<v Speaker 2>and that sort of thing. I was a part of

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<v Speaker 2>Somalia where I was you know, wounded three times over there.

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<v Speaker 2>And so anyway, I got out, went to college in Oklahoma,

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<v Speaker 2>played a little baseball there, and then after college I

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<v Speaker 2>came back to Nashville, and played music professionally for about

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<v Speaker 2>three years.

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<v Speaker 4>What'd you play.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a piano player by trade. Yeah, I've been doing

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<v Speaker 2>that my whole life. But and I'm it's weird because

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<v Speaker 2>all of that. But I grew up playing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of blues, Southern Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff. Those

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<v Speaker 2>I would always go out to Colorado and go elk hunt.

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<v Speaker 2>And one year, the year before I got out of

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<v Speaker 2>the music business, I had called in this bull elk

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<v Speaker 2>and had shot him with a recurved bow, and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I was the only person in the world. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm down there, you know, quarnering and skinning this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was about six miles in I was backpacked

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<v Speaker 2>bow hunting, and this was probably like ninety five, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six, somewhere in there, and this cowboy rode up

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<v Speaker 2>on a horse with like two mules out of nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>and scared the snot out of me and ended up

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<v Speaker 2>being the owner of one of the largest outfitters in

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<v Speaker 2>the country, really is Pike's Peak Outfitters. And he said

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<v Speaker 2>he'd set up on the mountain and watched that whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and he goes, you ever want a job, call me,

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<v Speaker 2>And by Georgie the next year, I've had enough of

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<v Speaker 2>the music business, and and so I called him and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of escaped out to Colorado and and started guiding

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<v Speaker 2>full time. So and you know, did that in the fall,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they also had a wilderness program and was

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<v Speaker 2>an instructor there during the summer and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>book tunts and that sort of thing. So I was

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<v Speaker 2>I was only one of two guys that were full

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<v Speaker 2>time there when everybody else was seasonal. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>spent literally probably three hundred days a year out you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the outside. So so yeah, and then you know

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<v Speaker 2>that brings that brings us to when when the sighting happened? Really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so, uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Before we do go onto that, how did you take

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<v Speaker 3>Dicky Bett's death? By the way, Uh, guitarist for the

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<v Speaker 3>Almen Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want me to be honest? Not a huge

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<v Speaker 2>Dickey fan. He was the mean one of the bunch,

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<v Speaker 3>I got to say, I've never seen a picture of

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<v Speaker 3>him smile.

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<v Speaker 2>Good player, no great player, great player, But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when you're playing beside Dwayne Almand. I mean, does it

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<v Speaker 2>get much better than Dwayne? Really? But I will say this,

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<v Speaker 2>Dicky's a heck of a songwriter and a heck of

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<v Speaker 2>a player, and I'm sure that his fans are sad.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, you know, half of the Allman Brothers

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<v Speaker 2>are gone now, but as far as the band is concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>most all of them are gone. Really, But I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>take it too hard, not when Dicky died.

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<v Speaker 3>So gosh, well, you mentioned that's the timely sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to ask about that. Why had a chance?

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, so let's get get back to the big

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<v Speaker 3>foot thing, which I guess is important for this podcast

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<v Speaker 3>before your encounter, which we'll get to in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 3>How much credence or how much thought ever went into

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<v Speaker 3>the big foot thing at all? Was?

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote?

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<v Speaker 3>Zero? It was just nonsense, this background garbage noise that

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<v Speaker 3>you've been hearing about probably most of your life. Never

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<v Speaker 3>really thought about it, that's kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>The only time that Bigfoot ever came up in my life.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is gonna sound bad because I should have

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<v Speaker 2>probably researched this. But when I was a kid, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>twelve thirteen years old. There was a movie how and

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<v Speaker 2>and this is y'all might can help me with this.

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<v Speaker 2>But I remember in the movie they'd put out like

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<v Speaker 2>this electric fence out in the middle of nowhere, and

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<v Speaker 2>this thing was breaking all the barriers. And I had

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<v Speaker 2>gone to see that, and you know, when I walked

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<v Speaker 2>out of that, I was like, Oh, that's crazy there.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, those things don't aren't real what you're about.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so if I was so seventy seven, i'd have

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<v Speaker 2>been ten. So probably seventy eight seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that's a Probably that Sasquatch one where all the

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<v Speaker 3>guys going that that horse train out into the woods.

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<v Speaker 3>Get Yes, that's it, Yeah, that one. What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>We have a poster of it on staves in the

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<v Speaker 3>museum a Sasquatch.

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<v Speaker 6>It's called Sasquatch the Legend of Bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go, yeah, thank you, Matt Pruitt. Sasquatch the

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<v Speaker 3>Legend of Bigfoot. Yeah, nineteen sixty eight or something like that,

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<v Speaker 3>or I mean nineteen seventy six rather.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, I was like nine, nine or ten. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, I saw that, and you know, had no

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<v Speaker 2>credence towards that at all, Like you know, I'm in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that's it's a big old hoax. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know that you even really see sasquatch in that movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I never believed in anything like that ever.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, even when I got to the Mountains

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<v Speaker 2>of Colorado, I just nobody ever brought it up, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I honestly never thought about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So well, then let's let's go into your sighting. What's

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<v Speaker 3>the context? What were you doing out there? When was this?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all that sort of stuff kind of lead

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<v Speaker 3>us up to a walk us through it.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I'm sorry, I am so unprepared. I did

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<v Speaker 2>a report right after the right after I had the

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<v Speaker 2>second sighting, So that report on the BFRO will tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say. It was like ninety eight. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I had been guiding for a couple of years, had

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<v Speaker 2>won Colorado Guide of the Year the year before, I

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<v Speaker 2>do remember that, and so we me and the head

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<v Speaker 2>guide that summer had found a spot on the backside

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<v Speaker 2>of PAC's Peak back in the wilderness area there that

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<v Speaker 2>summer and had found just a bunch of elk, And

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<v Speaker 2>so he and I decided that two weeks prior to season.

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<v Speaker 2>guys and set up some wall tents and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>corrals for the horses. Because it was my horse. It

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<v Speaker 2>was probably about a three and a half four hour

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<v Speaker 2>that time I had clients that repeat clients, so they

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<v Speaker 2>of years passed and he had definitely had repeat clients,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're like, man, let's let's give these guys

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Gorman. We had we each had two clients and

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<v Speaker 2>then we had a cook, slash, a wrangler. He took

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<v Speaker 2>care of the horses and stuff. And so the day

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<v Speaker 2>the clients get in we have so four six we

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<v Speaker 2>had seven horses and probably eight mules to pack everybody

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<v Speaker 2>day hunt. And each client had an elk tag and

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<v Speaker 2>clients actually had a bear tag. So we went in

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, we went in on a Saturday. We

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<v Speaker 2>got there Saturday afternoon and got it. Everybody settled, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the cook did his thing and just had

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<v Speaker 2>a great afternoon and evening riding in. And next morning

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<v Speaker 2>we get up and we killed three elk right away,

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<v Speaker 2>three bulls, and we're having like, we're like, holy cow,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an all day process, really, and so when you

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<v Speaker 2>kill three elk, it's really an all day process. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, we didn't finish till late at night.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the next day my other client who didn't

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<v Speaker 2>kill he and I went out by ourselves while the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of them went meal dier honey, and my client

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<v Speaker 2>killed a bull that morning about nine o'clock. Well, so

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<v Speaker 2>we start working on that elk and we get back, well,

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<v Speaker 2>the other three guys had already killed a mule dinner.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, holy cow. They're like, we're having a like

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<v Speaker 2>the best time ever, you know. And so anyway, the

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<v Speaker 2>next morning we get up and my client kills a

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<v Speaker 2>mule deer and we went back to one of the

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<v Speaker 2>gut piles, and that afternoon he shot a bear. So

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<v Speaker 2>in three days we had killed you know, four four

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<v Speaker 2>deer and a bear. I mean, it was just the

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<v Speaker 2>most amazing thing. And so it was on a Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>Wednesday or Thursday, and we decided that we were going

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<v Speaker 2>to pack the meat out, and where the wrench was

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<v Speaker 2>let's let's pack out in the morning or you know, whenever.

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<v Speaker 2>We get everything packed and ready to go, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go back to the ranch. We'll get the meat hung

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<v Speaker 2>in the coolers and all that, and get the hides

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<v Speaker 2>and the heads taken care of, and then we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>spend a couple of nights in Cripple Creek and have fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And everybody was up for that, and so that's that

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<v Speaker 2>was the plan. So by the time we got off

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<v Speaker 2>our gear and everything situated and horses ready and every

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<v Speaker 2>you know, meat and heads and all that, by the

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<v Speaker 2>time we got ready to go, it was it was

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<v Speaker 2>probably one or two o'clock in the afternoon. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we're coming back and we're about more than halfway back

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<v Speaker 2>to the trailhead where the trucks and the horse trailers

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<v Speaker 2>were at and we're coming along the side of this

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<v Speaker 2>mountain and on the trail it does like almost a

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<v Speaker 2>ninety degree loop, if you will, like a horse shoe.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm in the lead. I've got two or

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<v Speaker 2>three pack animals, and then we've got the four clients

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<v Speaker 2>just on horses, and then we've got the cook and

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<v Speaker 2>he's probably got a couple of pack animals, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the head gud Bob was riding drag and he's got

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the meals. He's got probably six meals

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<v Speaker 2>with him. So we're in this horseshoe and I get

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<v Speaker 2>through the horseshoe and my horse just started acting crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>like he wouldn't go anywhere. He was like trotting, like

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<v Speaker 2>just his front feet, like he was trying to stemp

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<v Speaker 2>out something. And so Bob's on the other side of me,

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<v Speaker 2>not fifty yards, and we're looking at each other and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, what's going on. I said, man must be

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<v Speaker 2>a bear or a mountain lion or something. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he smells something, cause I mean I'd had that horse's

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<v Speaker 2>and parades and nothing really bothered that horse. And so

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<v Speaker 2>Bob's like, we'll get off and lead him on up

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<v Speaker 2>the trail, and so where we were at it was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty steep grade right there. And so instead of getting

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<v Speaker 2>off on the downhill side, because I'm only five to

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<v Speaker 2>nine so I'm not real tall, so I got off

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<v Speaker 2>on the right side of the horse on the upside

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<v Speaker 2>of the mountain. And as soon as I got off,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing burst between everybody down this valley. And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>be honest with you, the only thing I really saw

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<v Speaker 2>was like a head and the shoulders, and I'm I'm going,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a bear? Like? What is that? Is that

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<v Speaker 2>a bear? And this thing is so fast, so fast

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make a noise, like like you could hear the

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<v Speaker 2>pine vals like you know when you're running on them,

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<v Speaker 2>but like it wasn't any crunching or any sticks breaking

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<v Speaker 2>or anything like this. I mean, it was like full

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<v Speaker 2>speed down this mountain.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

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<v Speaker 3>Bobo will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 2>And so all these guys are freaking out and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking bear, I'm like, is that a bear? Like?

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<v Speaker 4>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>Because all I could I could barely see over the

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<v Speaker 2>saddle where I was at. And so anyway, my horse

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<v Speaker 2>starts acting weird. So, you know, twenty thirty seconds, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>a minute later, everything kind of calms down. I get

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<v Speaker 2>back on my horse and off we go, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>asking Bob. I'm like, man, I've never seen a bear

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<v Speaker 2>do that. And Bob goes, that was no bear. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you mean? That wasn't no bear. Well, the

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<v Speaker 2>clients right away started yelling bigfoot, and I'm like, what bigfoot? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not a thing. Come on, that was a bear, man, No,

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<v Speaker 2>come on as a bear, and Bob goes, dude, it

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<v Speaker 2>was on two legs. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>no way. So I was still doubting what I saw

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't I didn't get a clear, clean look

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<v Speaker 2>at it. So anyway, we get back up to the

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<v Speaker 2>horse trailers and the wrangler has the big horse trailer

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<v Speaker 2>and then I have a horse trailer, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>had somebody meet us down there to pick up the clients. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we got every the clients got picked up, and we

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<v Speaker 2>never really had a conversation at all with them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>unloading horses and geared meat and all that kind of stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it was just me and the wrangler and

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<v Speaker 2>Bob there and we're getting everything loaded up, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Wrangler's like, dude, that was bigfoot. I'm like, man, there's

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<v Speaker 2>I said. It's not even real. Man, Like, come on.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Bob gets in the truck with me and

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<v Speaker 2>we've got probably about an hour drive back to where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going, and we're going up the mountain and Bob's like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard people talk about that thing, but I've never,

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<v Speaker 2>ever in my life, ever thought i'd see one. And

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<v Speaker 2>he'd been doing he'd been guiding. He was probably in

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<v Speaker 2>his sixties then, and I mean this guy had been

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<v Speaker 2>guiding since he was thirty, so I mean he's got

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years out there and had never seen this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And so one of Bob's big things was, look, when

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<v Speaker 2>we get back to the ranch, we don't talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>We like, this never happened. And I'm like, what are

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<v Speaker 2>you talking about? He goes, man, what if it gets

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<v Speaker 2>out that we saw a bigfoot? He's like, and it

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<v Speaker 2>gets out like big time. And this was way before

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<v Speaker 2>like social media and all that match, right, and so,

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<v Speaker 2>and what was I mean back then, we were getting

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<v Speaker 2>like all the good write ups and like Western Horsemen

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, Bow Hunting magazine, North American Hunting Magazine,

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<v Speaker 2>and so his big thing was don't say a word.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, no worries by me. You know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say anything. So I never paid any attention. And

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<v Speaker 2>so fast forward almost a year to the day, almost

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<v Speaker 2>it's opening season. So I've got two brothers that are

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<v Speaker 2>coming in from Michigan that had hunted with me the

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<v Speaker 2>year before, and so they had booked another hunt with me.

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<v Speaker 2>So everybody comes in on a Saturday, and not that

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<v Speaker 2>it matters, but when you're a new guide, these people

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<v Speaker 2>show up, you kind of mingle with them. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you hit it off with somebody and they like you

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<v Speaker 2>and you like them, that's who you got. Well, I

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<v Speaker 2>was in a position where I didn't have to do

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<v Speaker 2>that anymore. I had to repeat customers, and I knew

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<v Speaker 2>who was coming in, and I know what they liked

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<v Speaker 2>and what they didn't like, that sort of thing, and

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, I'm just kind of sitting there at

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<v Speaker 2>the lodge and I'm mingling with people and I'm waiting

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<v Speaker 2>for my guys to get there from the airport. And

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<v Speaker 2>I get a phone call from the two brothers saying

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<v Speaker 2>that their dad had passed away and that they weren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to make it. And so this

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<v Speaker 2>was like nine o'clock at night, and so by that

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<v Speaker 2>time all the other clients had been taken. So here

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<v Speaker 2>I'm left with not having any clients for the for

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<v Speaker 2>the week. And so I go to the owner and

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<v Speaker 2>the head guide and I said, Hey, do you guys

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<v Speaker 2>want me to stick around this week? I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>have an elk tag in my pocket. I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>go hunt. And Bob goes, where are you going to

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<v Speaker 2>go hunt? I said, probably down there. We had that

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<v Speaker 2>great hunt last year. And Bob goes, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if i'd go down there. I'm like, come on, man, really,

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<v Speaker 2>And so anyway, the next morning, I get up and

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<v Speaker 2>I go to the trail head and so I hike in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I have a backpack, got my bow, and

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<v Speaker 2>I even took a fishing ride because it's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of beaver ponds down there that have brook troiling in them.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I was just going to do it

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<v Speaker 2>up for a week and have fun. And if I'd

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<v Speaker 2>killed one, I'd hiked out and come grab my horse

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<v Speaker 2>and packed it out. And it'd been a lot easier,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that way. So anyway, I hike in there

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<v Speaker 2>that afternoon, and I get in there, you know, fairly

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<v Speaker 2>late in the afternoon, probably three o'clock or so, because

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<v Speaker 2>it takes me about five hours to get in there,

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<v Speaker 2>walk in five or six, and I get in there,

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<v Speaker 2>and I set up a tent, and I'm at the

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<v Speaker 2>very last beaver pond. And where this place is located,

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<v Speaker 2>to the south is this big, huge ridge that goes

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<v Speaker 2>on for like two miles. It's just solid rock and

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<v Speaker 2>it's probably a couple thousand feet tall, like the only

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<v Speaker 2>way anybody's going up or down that way. You'd have

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<v Speaker 2>to be a professional rock climber to do that. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's this valley that comes out of it, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>meadows with aspen and it's just like the perfect little

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<v Speaker 2>cubby hole for elk, and there's lots of water in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm at the very last beaver pond and

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<v Speaker 2>caught a couple of brookies and cooked those up, and

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<v Speaker 2>the elk were bugling, and I mean, it was just

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<v Speaker 2>a perfect night. And so I get up the next

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<v Speaker 2>morning and make some coffee, and I hear the elk bugling,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I go up and I passed a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of these beaver ponds. Is I'm headed kind of up

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<v Speaker 2>towards the cliffs, and to the right there's an outcrop

418
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<v Speaker 2>in there. So I crawled up on the outcropping and

419
00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna wait for the sun to come up.

420
00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:06.799
<v Speaker 2>And during all this, like I said the elk word,

421
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 2>screaming and bugling and doing everything, and I was so excited,

422
00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:15.519
<v Speaker 2>like like I was having so much fun. And so

423
00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the sun's starting to come up a little bit, and

424
00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.160
<v Speaker 2>to where I can use my binoculars. Now, when you're guiding,

425
00:23:22.279 --> 00:23:27.880
<v Speaker 2>binoculars is your number one friend. I mean, if you

426
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.799
<v Speaker 2>don't have binoculars, you're you're gonna miss so much out

427
00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:34.640
<v Speaker 2>there in that big country that's out there. And so

428
00:23:35.440 --> 00:23:39.960
<v Speaker 2>we had become sponsored by all these different manufacturers, like

429
00:23:40.640 --> 00:23:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, we were sponsored by Rocky Boots and you know,

430
00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:48.559
<v Speaker 2>real Tree camouflage, and but one of our best and

431
00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:53.839
<v Speaker 2>biggest sponsors was Seiss binoculars. And it was kind of

432
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:57.400
<v Speaker 2>before Sarovsky had come out and become big and all that.

433
00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:00.240
<v Speaker 2>So Seiss was as good as it gets, when you know,

434
00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:03.200
<v Speaker 2>it was as good as it got during that period

435
00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And so I had a pair of ten

436
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:10.720
<v Speaker 2>by fifty Zeiss and when you're guiding on just a

437
00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>regular hunt, you were in those binoculars probably eighty percent

438
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:19.839
<v Speaker 2>of the time, so you know, and then with all

439
00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.240
<v Speaker 2>my training and stuff in the military, there's a way

440
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:26.960
<v Speaker 2>to glass areas and especially if you're looking for you know,

441
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.240
<v Speaker 2>enemy guys and all that, and it pertains the same

442
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:34.200
<v Speaker 2>way basically to Honey. So anyway, I'm up on this

443
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:38.119
<v Speaker 2>out cropping and it's daylight, it's getting daylight, and so

444
00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I hear an elp bugle, and I would, you know,

445
00:24:41.440 --> 00:24:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I'd get my binoculars up and oh, there he is.

446
00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:47.880
<v Speaker 2>He's three hundred yards away. And another one would bugle,

447
00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, he's five hundred yards away. And all

448
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.519
<v Speaker 2>in all, there was probably seven or eight different bulls

449
00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:56.519
<v Speaker 2>than this herd of elk, and they were just scattered

450
00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:01.559
<v Speaker 2>all along this like meadow area. So anyway, I heard

451
00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:05.240
<v Speaker 2>just bugled down by where my tent was, and my

452
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:08.000
<v Speaker 2>tent was probably about three hundred and fifty four hundred

453
00:25:08.000 --> 00:25:11.759
<v Speaker 2>george away, and so I just glassed down there and

454
00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it bugled again, and I realized that he was closer

455
00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.480
<v Speaker 2>to me than my tent. So I'm kind of working

456
00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:20.799
<v Speaker 2>the glass back up towards me, and I'm hitting these

457
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>beaver ponds. You can see these beaver ponds, and I

458
00:25:24.319 --> 00:25:27.160
<v Speaker 2>noticed this thing in this beaver pine. Like I said, man,

459
00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.279
<v Speaker 2>those elk are down there wallowing in those beaver ponds.

460
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm, you know, it's right at first light,

461
00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.880
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm, you know, I'm really focused on what's

462
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:40.279
<v Speaker 2>going on down there, because I could get to those

463
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.920
<v Speaker 2>elk fairly quick, you know, if I wanted to. And

464
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.079
<v Speaker 2>so I'm looking at this beaver pond and then all

465
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:50.880
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, this thing raises up out of this

466
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.160
<v Speaker 2>pond and I'm like, holy cow, like, what in the

467
00:25:55.160 --> 00:25:58.319
<v Speaker 2>world is this. So then it gets out of the

468
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:03.240
<v Speaker 2>beaver pond, and right away I'm thinking, Okay, that's the

469
00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:08.279
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot that they're talking about. I'm freaked out inside a

470
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit because, I mean, nobody, if you've never seen one,

471
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you don't know till you know, right, I mean,

472
00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how else to explain that. I Mean,

473
00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:21.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, we can say there's aliens, but until you

474
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:23.640
<v Speaker 2>see one, you don't know how you're going to react,

475
00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:28.000
<v Speaker 2>especially with a big foot or a sasquatch. So this

476
00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:32.039
<v Speaker 2>thing gets out and he kind of shakes off a

477
00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:36.759
<v Speaker 2>little bit, and man, I am like zooming in on

478
00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:39.799
<v Speaker 2>this thing, and he's probably about one hundred and fifty

479
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.680
<v Speaker 2>yards out, so with ten by fifty s ice like,

480
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:49.160
<v Speaker 2>I can see this thing blinking, you know. And my

481
00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 2>first thought really wasn't you know, oh my gosh, oh

482
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:59.359
<v Speaker 2>my gosh or whatever. My first thought was, this is

483
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:03.079
<v Speaker 2>a monster. And if he comes at you, and I'm

484
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.160
<v Speaker 2>hunting with a recurved bow like the Indians used to do,

485
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, if this thing comes at you, you're gonna

486
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.640
<v Speaker 2>have one shot. That's it.

487
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.039
<v Speaker 4>Did you have a sight on?

488
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 3>No?

489
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 2>I still don't even, like, even to this day, I

490
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:23.359
<v Speaker 2>don't carry a gun in the woods. It's not an

491
00:27:23.400 --> 00:27:27.319
<v Speaker 2>ego thing. I've seen too many people carry firearms and

492
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 2>shoot animals that they think they're getting attacked by that.

493
00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:36.880
<v Speaker 2>If you had just used a calm head, it wouldn't

494
00:27:36.880 --> 00:27:40.400
<v Speaker 2>have happened, you know kind of thing. So I'm not.

495
00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't claim to be something I'm not or anything.

496
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 2>I just never have. I mean, I'm holding a bow

497
00:27:46.799 --> 00:27:49.559
<v Speaker 2>in my hand, so you know, if I can't get

498
00:27:49.599 --> 00:27:52.839
<v Speaker 2>something to stop by me shooting it with an arrow,

499
00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I've had some close calls, you know,

500
00:27:57.000 --> 00:28:00.440
<v Speaker 2>up in Alaska, I had a close call. I've had

501
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 2>one mountain lion experience that was kind of a weird thing.

502
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:08.119
<v Speaker 2>But you know, in all my years of doing this,

503
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this for over thirty years, and you know,

504
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm just I've never put myself in a position to

505
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:18.359
<v Speaker 2>where I felt like I needed to carry for arm.

506
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 2>So but so anyway, this thing kind of he's kind

507
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.640
<v Speaker 2>of shaking the water off of him. I guess you

508
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 2>would say, not like a dog, but you know, there's

509
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.279
<v Speaker 2>like one arm and then the other arm. And while

510
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:38.960
<v Speaker 2>he's doing this, I am noticing that, like this thing

511
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>is built like anything I've never seen. Like the forearms

512
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:48.839
<v Speaker 2>were massive, the hands were massive. I mean the legs

513
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.480
<v Speaker 2>were like like, man, you know, looking back in a

514
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>calm area, I'm like, man, I wish I had legs

515
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:58.480
<v Speaker 2>like that, you know. I mean, this thing was just

516
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:02.079
<v Speaker 2>for a reacher or whatever you want to call it.

517
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this thing was in peak physical condition. And

518
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.279
<v Speaker 2>so I'm sitting there watching it and he's kind of turned.

519
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm sitting facing to the to the northeast. That's

520
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.759
<v Speaker 2>kind of where he's at but he's facing more north

521
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 2>than east, and he hasn't I don't he hasn't seen me,

522
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>at least I don't think he had. And he turns.

523
00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And when you're when you're in a when you're in

524
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>glass like that ten by fifty binoculars like that, when

525
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.920
<v Speaker 2>he turns and looks up towards me, you think he's

526
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>looking you through your soul, you know, when in fact,

527
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>he's probably looking past me, or he could have been

528
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:50.400
<v Speaker 2>looking at me. I don't know. But through the binoculars

529
00:29:50.440 --> 00:29:53.480
<v Speaker 2>it was like he was looking through my soul. But

530
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:58.359
<v Speaker 2>he didn't look he didn't look scary though, I mean,

531
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>he looked to me more man like. Then you know,

532
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:06.240
<v Speaker 2>people describe gorillas or whatever. And we'll get back to

533
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Keith Foster, because he did a drawing that was just amazing.

534
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was so spot on. And so I'm

535
00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 2>sitting here and this thing doesn't appear to be a

536
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.680
<v Speaker 2>threat to me, and so I kind of you know,

537
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm at a twelve, and so now I'm at like

538
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 2>a ten, and I'm thinking strategy more than anything else,

539
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:28.799
<v Speaker 2>Like if he comes at me, what are you gonna do?

540
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Da da da da? That kind of thing, and but

541
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm getting to watch him and he's just middling around

542
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.440
<v Speaker 2>this beaver pond, and you know, I watched him mess

543
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.599
<v Speaker 2>with his face, like he touched his face. I'm watching

544
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>his eyes blink, you know. At one time he reached

545
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 2>down to get like a clump of mud off his leg,

546
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.279
<v Speaker 2>which was kind of different. And so then he turns

547
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.759
<v Speaker 2>and he walks north towards my camp, and he's having

548
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.839
<v Speaker 2>to go up this hill, and so he gets kind

549
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 2>of cross side heeling, if you will, and he gets

550
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:12.200
<v Speaker 2>about even with my tent, and he squats down like

551
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 2>he's using the bathroom, and he's looking right at my

552
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 2>camp and he's just sitting there and he's watching my tent.

553
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>And so I've already decided that once he crosses that hill,

554
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give it about ten minutes. If he

555
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:30.119
<v Speaker 2>doesn't come back, I'm going to go down there and

556
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 2>grab my gear and I'm getting out, because I mean,

557
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>he was scary enough that I didn't want to be

558
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:38.599
<v Speaker 2>in there by myself with him. I don't care how

559
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>many Elko's in there.

560
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:44.279
<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

561
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 3>Bobo will be right back after these messages.

562
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:57.119
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, he sat there probably about two or three minutes,

563
00:31:58.279 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 2>and he gets ups and he goes up and over

564
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:05.480
<v Speaker 2>the hill. And so, like I said, I waited ten

565
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 2>or fifteen minutes, and I crawled down off that rock

566
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:10.799
<v Speaker 2>that I was on, and I ran down to my

567
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 2>camp and I quickly packed it. And it took me

568
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 2>about five or six hours to get in there, and

569
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 2>it took me about three and a half to get out.

570
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:23.559
<v Speaker 2>So I basically ran or jogged all the way back

571
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 2>to the car or the truck. And so yeah, I

572
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:33.519
<v Speaker 2>mean the whole episode of seeing this thing was probably

573
00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:38.599
<v Speaker 2>about ten minutes long. And once I get back to

574
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 2>the vehicle, of course, coming out of there, I was

575
00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 2>totally paranoid, like it's this thing following me, Like you

576
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:47.720
<v Speaker 2>know what happens he jumps out blah blah blah, and

577
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 2>so you know, this total state of paranoia hiking out

578
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 2>of there and running and you know, just almost killing

579
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.880
<v Speaker 2>myself to get out. And so I get to the

580
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:03.279
<v Speaker 2>truck and immediately I go to the ranch and it's

581
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:08.799
<v Speaker 2>probably gosh, I don't know, it's probably around lunchtime, maybe

582
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.759
<v Speaker 2>at one o'clock, and so everybody's out hunting like, there's

583
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.400
<v Speaker 2>no guides there, there's no clients there, but the owner

584
00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>was there, Gary Jordan, and I go into Gary's office

585
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:24.279
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, man, did you kill one? Did you

586
00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 2>come to get the horses? And I'm like no, Gary,

587
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:28.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, you know that thing that happened to us

588
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>last year with me and Bob and the coat, And

589
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>he goes, yeah, I said, I saw this thing up close.

590
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 2>And he goes, what are you talking about. I said,

591
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I watched him for ten minutes this morning and he's like, no,

592
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>you didn't. He goes, it was a bear. I said, Gary,

593
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:47.039
<v Speaker 2>I have how many bears have I got it on?

594
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I had up to that point, I'd killed probably me personally,

595
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.480
<v Speaker 2>had probably killed like five bears, but I had got

596
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 2>it on probably twenty five or thirty by that time.

597
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 2>So I know what a bear is, you know. And

598
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm telling Gary. I'm like, that was no bear, man.

599
00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that, I don't know what it is, you know.

600
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:13.599
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I'd never researched sasquatch or Bigfoot,

601
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:19.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any knowledge of any of that, and so

602
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have anything like nowadays you hear people go well,

603
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a mix between a man and an ape or

604
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.719
<v Speaker 2>a monkey or something. I didn't have that. I was like,

605
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it was one of the best built men. Harry people

606
00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.320
<v Speaker 2>that And I came up with like Neanderthal because that's

607
00:34:37.960 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 2>what I think of Neanderthal would look like. And that's

608
00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:43.559
<v Speaker 2>what I told Gary, and Gary goes, well, he goes,

609
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:47.519
<v Speaker 2>you're obviously shook. And I had an apartment down in

610
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Colorado Springs at the time, and he goes, you need

611
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.480
<v Speaker 2>to go home and spend a couple of days and

612
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.239
<v Speaker 2>come on back up here Friday night and let's get

613
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.519
<v Speaker 2>back on the saddle and start guiding again. I'm like, okay.

614
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 2>So I go down there, and I do have a

615
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:06.639
<v Speaker 2>computer at the time, and I get on there and

616
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:12.639
<v Speaker 2>I google Bigfoot or Sasquatch, and I start seeing all

617
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.159
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. And it's the first time of me seeing

618
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.320
<v Speaker 2>the Patty film and this thing looked a lot like Patty,

619
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.960
<v Speaker 2>except the mail version. And because it was a mail

620
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 2>and so anyway, I come across the BFRO website. Didn't

621
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>know they even had a thing like that, and it said, hey,

622
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 2>if you've had a sighting or whatever, please tell us.

623
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>So I sat there for like two hours typing, and

624
00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.039
<v Speaker 2>I would like, you know, like I'm going, is this

625
00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>too much information? Not enough information? You know, blah blah

626
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:52.480
<v Speaker 2>blah whatever. And it's on like a Wednesday. No, it's

627
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>not even that. It's on like a Monday or Tuesday.

628
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 2>And so I write my story and tell what happened,

629
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, both accounts, the first one and then this

630
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 2>last one, and I write on there you know, this

631
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:14.840
<v Speaker 2>happened yesterday. And I submitted it. Well, within like less

632
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.559
<v Speaker 2>than an hour, I get a call from Matt Moneymaker.

633
00:36:18.599 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 4>Oh how was that?

634
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I had no clue who he was. Like, he goes, hi,

635
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 2>am Matt Moneymaker and you know President bf R own boom,

636
00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 2>and he goes tell me about your story. And I'm like, okay,

637
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:37.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, and he's like, can we if I get

638
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 2>a guys out there, can you know, can we come

639
00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.280
<v Speaker 2>and look? And I'm like, I said, well, I'm a

640
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>full time guy. And I said, if you got somebody

641
00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>out here that the only way I'd do that is

642
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 2>if they came in the next day or two. Well,

643
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:52.880
<v Speaker 2>by George. That night, I get a phone call and

644
00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.400
<v Speaker 2>to my for my life, I can't think of the

645
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:59.719
<v Speaker 2>name of these two guys. One of them's name was

646
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Jim and maybe y'all can help me with this. But

647
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:06.679
<v Speaker 2>he and I don't know if he was just telling

648
00:37:06.719 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>me a story or what, but he had said that

649
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 2>he at one time he had set like the highest

650
00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:16.440
<v Speaker 2>altitude sky diving record or something, and his name was

651
00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Jeff something. I took him in there and we looked around,

652
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:27.039
<v Speaker 2>and sure enough, we found prints around that beaver pond,

653
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and up until a couple of years ago, I actually

654
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 2>had a copy of that casting and or had the

655
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 2>original cast really and through a divorce and all that

656
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 2>and moving, I have no idea where it's at. But

657
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:49.360
<v Speaker 2>so anyway, so that happened, and shortly after that, man

658
00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>I started getting phone calls from all kinds of people.

659
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 2>And what was one of the weirdest things that happened

660
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.079
<v Speaker 2>to me was I get a call from this guy

661
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.079
<v Speaker 2>like I didn't and he goes, hey, is your address

662
00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah, and I'm going yeah, he goes, good,

663
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 2>at four o'clock today, you're going to receive a package.

664
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.599
<v Speaker 2>He goes, I'll see you there at like five o'clock.

665
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:13.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, who are you? He goes, I got this

666
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>coming to you. He goes, I got to know if

667
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>this is what you saw. And it was the original

668
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.599
<v Speaker 2>copy of I want to say, Memorial Day footage where

669
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 2>the people were in the boat and the and the

670
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.159
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot runs across the side hill and then jumps that

671
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:34.039
<v Speaker 2>big gully. It was that footage. And I'm going, well,

672
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:36.480
<v Speaker 2>who are you, like? Where did you like, are you

673
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>CIA or FBI or something? You know, because I've worked

674
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.800
<v Speaker 2>with those guys when I was, you know, in the military.

675
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, this is some CIA FBI stuff going on here.

676
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.679
<v Speaker 2>And so he actually I told him, I said, man,

677
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:54.360
<v Speaker 2>I don't have a VCR. He said, he brought a

678
00:38:54.440 --> 00:38:56.119
<v Speaker 2>VCR with him and we hooked it up to my

679
00:38:56.199 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>TV and watched it. And I'm going, well, the one

680
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>I saw wasn't quite as big as that. I mean,

681
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:07.599
<v Speaker 2>the one I saw was probably like seven foot maybe.

682
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:10.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he wouldn't know. It wasn't like ten twelve

683
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.760
<v Speaker 2>foot or whatever something like that. He wasn't. I mean,

684
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:19.440
<v Speaker 2>seven foot's pretty big. But I mean this dude, this

685
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.880
<v Speaker 2>thing I saw was just jacked up. I mean just

686
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:27.360
<v Speaker 2>every part of his body was just muscled up. And

687
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 2>so when this thing jumped that gully, I was like,

688
00:39:30.920 --> 00:39:33.320
<v Speaker 2>I could totally believe that, and he goes, what do

689
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>you mean, I said, the way these things are built,

690
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.039
<v Speaker 2>I said, I said, he could have probably jumped up

691
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.000
<v Speaker 2>on that rock outcome cropping and ate me for you know,

692
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 2>breakfast that morning, and just the way he was built.

693
00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:53.199
<v Speaker 2>And so after that, I really I never really had

694
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:58.159
<v Speaker 2>any more interaction. It didn't really change the way I

695
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:02.320
<v Speaker 2>felt in the woods. And I think the reason being

696
00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>is that, for lack of a better word, was a

697
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 2>peaceful encounter. You know, I didn't feel like this thing

698
00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:11.239
<v Speaker 2>was going to eat me or tear me apart or

699
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>any of that. And you know, and I was fascinated

700
00:40:16.599 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>by how it looked and all that. But you know,

701
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:26.280
<v Speaker 2>weeks and months following that, I kept thinking that, you know,

702
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:30.440
<v Speaker 2>that thing probably watched me walk right by him, because

703
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I followed that series of beaver ponds going up to

704
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 2>that rock out cropping, and so that kind of set

705
00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>me on edge a little bit. But you know, I

706
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>never had any ill will or bad feelings or you know,

707
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:51.440
<v Speaker 2>anything like that towards towards what I saw, and so

708
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:54.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, I carried on as normal. You know, I

709
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.960
<v Speaker 2>still guided, I still hunted, but hoping that maybe I'd

710
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>see another one something, you know, because it was just cool.

711
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.079
<v Speaker 2>So now I'm not going to tell you that coming

712
00:41:05.119 --> 00:41:08.199
<v Speaker 2>out of a mountain, you know, and you're six miles

713
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 2>from your vehicle and your own foot and it's dark,

714
00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:16.280
<v Speaker 2>you don't think about that because you do. But you know,

715
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>as far as ever being scared or you know, beyond

716
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>being able to do whatever, and just never happened for me.

717
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:28.639
<v Speaker 3>So well, at the end of the day, I mean,

718
00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 3>if they're real, they were real before you saw them too,

719
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:33.320
<v Speaker 3>So what why should anything change?

720
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Right?

721
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.639
<v Speaker 5>Could you describe how it moved asarng as you said,

722
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.719
<v Speaker 5>it shook, It shook itself.

723
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 4>Dry when it got out of the water.

724
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, so like when you get out of

725
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:44.840
<v Speaker 2>the shower, you know how you might take say the

726
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:47.480
<v Speaker 2>right arm and you and you kind of brush your

727
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 2>left arm just to get the excess water off. Yea,

728
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like that.

729
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 3>Was it just to the arms or did it do

730
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:54.679
<v Speaker 3>It's all over the body too.

731
00:41:55.400 --> 00:41:58.280
<v Speaker 2>He kind of like from the shoulder to probably the

732
00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:02.519
<v Speaker 2>mid forearm. He kind of did that, and then he

733
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>did it like where his belly would be like there,

734
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and he like his thighs and then he bent down

735
00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.199
<v Speaker 2>and was picking like I assumed it was a clump

736
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.480
<v Speaker 2>of dirt or mud or something since he had been

737
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 2>in that beaver pond, and like he was picking something

738
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>off his leg, like mud or or something like that.

739
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:26.199
<v Speaker 2>And so that's that was the when he got out

740
00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:27.360
<v Speaker 2>of the beaver pond there.

741
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 5>How about the eyes you said you saw the you

742
00:42:30.079 --> 00:42:33.159
<v Speaker 5>saw the eyes through the did Yeah?

743
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you did. I did. I send

744
00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:41.719
<v Speaker 2>you a copy or a photograph, Matt, of the drawing

745
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:43.760
<v Speaker 2>that Keith did.

746
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:46.280
<v Speaker 6>No, I don't have that, but I'm going to try

747
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:47.920
<v Speaker 6>to search for it right now while we're talking to it,

748
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 6>and I'll send it to you. Oh that'd be great.

749
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I mean this thing it looked ninety eight

750
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 2>percent human to me, with the exception that it had

751
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.719
<v Speaker 2>a lot of hair. So I mean it kind of

752
00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>had like a everybody says a crowned head like, but

753
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 2>it was it was more like a domed kind of

754
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 2>rounded head. His nose was almost like that of a person,

755
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:21.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, a little flatter against his against his face.

756
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:25.519
<v Speaker 2>But his lips were I mean, can you use the

757
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.239
<v Speaker 2>word normal, but I mean they were normal for what

758
00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I was looking at I guess, and the eyes just

759
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:38.960
<v Speaker 2>looked they looked like our eyes, really, I mean, you

760
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.760
<v Speaker 2>know they there wasn't anything crazy about on.

761
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:43.480
<v Speaker 4>Could you see the whites there?

762
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.679
<v Speaker 2>No? I couldn't. No, I didn't see it that good.

763
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 2>But I couldn't tell when it was blinking because the

764
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>whole forehead would move when he blinked.

765
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 5>So did it blink like a human like I've heard

766
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 5>they don't blink very much compared to humans like they

767
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.000
<v Speaker 5>they don't blink his office A lot of people have

768
00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.199
<v Speaker 5>reported did you notice that?

769
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:04.920
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean as far as how many times he

770
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:09.039
<v Speaker 2>blinked or whatever, not really, but I do recall that

771
00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 2>he blinked. And the reason I do is because he

772
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.159
<v Speaker 2>had like this above his eyes was like a brow

773
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:18.519
<v Speaker 2>line kind of thing, but it wasn't like huge, But

774
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:21.320
<v Speaker 2>when he did blink, that brow line would move and

775
00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you can see that, And so that's that's how I

776
00:44:25.280 --> 00:44:25.880
<v Speaker 2>know he was.

777
00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Blinking like fat There was fat up in there, not

778
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:30.840
<v Speaker 4>just like the bony brow.

779
00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.920
<v Speaker 5>It was like like a fat depositive or something.

780
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:37.800
<v Speaker 2>You think maybe, I mean, you ever seen those old

781
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:41.519
<v Speaker 2>guys that have like the unibrow kind of kind of

782
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:44.400
<v Speaker 2>look like that, except it protruded a little bit, So,

783
00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know if that was just like

784
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 2>a unibrow kind of thing where if that was a

785
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.039
<v Speaker 2>part of his you know, muscular makeup. I'm not sure,

786
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 2>but I do know that when he blinked, that whole

787
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:59.440
<v Speaker 2>section moved, and you know, I didn't notice that he

788
00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't have much of a neck on him.

789
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:04.800
<v Speaker 5>How is the body proportions like limb legs and comparison,

790
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 5>like a human was like.

791
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Longer his legs, and his arms weren't proportional to his body,

792
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Like his arms were longer than normal. I don't know

793
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 2>that they came down to his knees, but they definitely

794
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.480
<v Speaker 2>hung lower than what a person's would. But I could

795
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:26.320
<v Speaker 2>tell that like his torso was the bigger part because

796
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:30.440
<v Speaker 2>his legs were so massive, like just so massive, and

797
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 2>so his legs were smaller than the rest of his body.

798
00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess is the best way to say that. I

799
00:45:39.320 --> 00:45:41.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know any way describe that, I guess. So I

800
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:45.599
<v Speaker 2>guess his torso from his waist up was bigger or

801
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.000
<v Speaker 2>taller than from the waist down. So I don't know

802
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.400
<v Speaker 2>if that makes the arms look different or not.

803
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:51.840
<v Speaker 4>So.

804
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with clipp and

805
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 3>Bobo will be right back after these messages.

806
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 2>The hands big hands, and I mean full on massive,

807
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 2>massive hands, because I noticed his hand when he reached

808
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>down to pick whatever was on his leg. Off, I

809
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:25.039
<v Speaker 2>noticed that his hand like was as big as his leg,

810
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.239
<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense, Like it was huge.

811
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.119
<v Speaker 3>Did it seem proportional to the size of the body

812
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.559
<v Speaker 3>or is it a bigger in proportion or smaller in proportion?

813
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it was proportional. I do think they were

814
00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:40.679
<v Speaker 2>probably proportional, because I mean this thing, I mean even

815
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:46.079
<v Speaker 2>making a reference to like I don't know the body

816
00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:46.559
<v Speaker 2>of the.

817
00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.480
<v Speaker 4>Actor of Arnold Schwarzeninger.

818
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you Arnold's I mean, as far as his

819
00:46:53.320 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 2>physicality was, he was all that and then so like

820
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>had you know, I couldn't actually see the six pack,

821
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, abs, but I mean you could tell that

822
00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:10.880
<v Speaker 2>it was just built. I mean, this thing was just

823
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>built to live there. It was it was unreal.

824
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 4>How about hairlict and coloration.

825
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:20.400
<v Speaker 2>So he was between like so when the when he

826
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 2>when he did that side, he'll he kind of got

827
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.320
<v Speaker 2>up into where the sun was finally cresting over the

828
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:30.039
<v Speaker 2>mountain a little bit, And up until that point he

829
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 2>looked brown to me. But then when he hit the sunshine,

830
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.039
<v Speaker 2>the sunlight a little bit, it kind of almost had

831
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:38.639
<v Speaker 2>like a reddish tint to it. So I don't know

832
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>if that was just the sun reflecting off his brown hair.

833
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:47.360
<v Speaker 2>But the hair was pretty proportional. I mean, you know,

834
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't like long, stragglely something crazy like you see

835
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.639
<v Speaker 2>in some of these movies. I mean, it was pretty

836
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to use the word man or groomed,

837
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 2>but I mean, you know, his face probably had maybe

838
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:11.519
<v Speaker 2>an inch or half inch hair, and his head probably

839
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the same, and then.

840
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 8>Around his neck was had like a almost like a

841
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 8>maine kind of like you could his hair started getting

842
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 8>longer at his in his chest, in his arms, and

843
00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:26.679
<v Speaker 8>so his hands were.

844
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Didn't have any hair on at all, like you know,

845
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.639
<v Speaker 2>especially the palm of his hand had no hair at all.

846
00:48:34.119 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 2>So and it was it was like a and I

847
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.079
<v Speaker 2>haven't thought about this in forever, but I remember it

848
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 2>was like a baseball, mit is what it looked like

849
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:44.360
<v Speaker 2>to me.

850
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.039
<v Speaker 3>What color was the skin.

851
00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 9>Almost like a almost like a grayish black color, more gray,

852
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 9>I think, so it was like a weathered I remember

853
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:57.599
<v Speaker 9>it being like this weathered look.

854
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.440
<v Speaker 3>I've heard reports of people who have said, I've spoken

855
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:02.400
<v Speaker 3>to people actually who like yourself, who had seen them

856
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 3>very close or through binoculars or something like that, and

857
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.360
<v Speaker 3>they commented about how the face look weathered. They did

858
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:11.960
<v Speaker 3>use the weather just like you did, but they also

859
00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.440
<v Speaker 3>use things like wrinkled and old, leathery, and like, did

860
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:18.599
<v Speaker 3>they have any of that kind of characteristic to it,

861
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 3>like in desperate need of moisturizer?

862
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, because he, the one I saw, had like

863
00:49:26.280 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 2>quite a bit of hair on his face. The only

864
00:49:28.960 --> 00:49:31.760
<v Speaker 2>place void of hair was kind of around his lips,

865
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:35.000
<v Speaker 2>in his nose, and then the rest of it, you know,

866
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:38.519
<v Speaker 2>was pretty hairy. But it was weird because it looked

867
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>almost groomed, like if he'd gone if you'd gone to

868
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 2>a barber and had it shaved to a certain length

869
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:50.760
<v Speaker 2>or something. But what what I looked at didn't appear

870
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>to be old at all. No, I sent Matt the picture.

871
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.199
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's exactly what what you're looking at is

872
00:49:58.239 --> 00:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>exactly what I saw exactly. I mean, so if you

873
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:05.480
<v Speaker 2>look at that picture, I mean, I don't know if

874
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>you could age that or not. I mean, thirties forties,

875
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean not old enough to be like an old

876
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Speaker 2>withered man kind of thing, you know.

877
00:50:13.920 --> 00:50:16.360
<v Speaker 3>And for the people listening who are members, I guess

878
00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 3>we'll go ahead and put that on the on the Patreon.

879
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Is that right foru?

880
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 4>It?

881
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'll post that there and yeah, Bobo, I sent

882
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:23.719
<v Speaker 6>it to the group.

883
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:30.199
<v Speaker 3>Text oh, text email, Jeff, you mentioned earlier when you

884
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:32.280
<v Speaker 3>first put your eyes on this thing, you were actually

885
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 3>looking for an elk bugling? Was there was there an

886
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.440
<v Speaker 3>elk in the area or was the thing making that noise?

887
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:42.480
<v Speaker 2>No, there was elk, because there was elk everywhere. There

888
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.400
<v Speaker 2>must have been. Yeah, there must have been probably, and

889
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to exaggerate, but at least seventy five

890
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:52.000
<v Speaker 2>to one hundred elk in that little valley.

891
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

892
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I can't say that he was making that

893
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:01.199
<v Speaker 2>noise because I'd heard all kinds elk that morning and

894
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 2>actually had glassed up two or three that were bugling.

895
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.559
<v Speaker 2>So I was just up there trying to figure out

896
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.159
<v Speaker 2>which one I was about to go after.

897
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.239
<v Speaker 3>So do you have photographs of the original cast that

898
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:14.920
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned?

899
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't have any, but you know, I

900
00:51:21.280 --> 00:51:26.440
<v Speaker 2>think I think my sister might have one because I

901
00:51:26.559 --> 00:51:30.119
<v Speaker 2>moved back to Nashville for a short stint and I

902
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>had it sitting on a coffee table, and she took

903
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>a picture with it. So I'll get with her and

904
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 2>see if she has it, and if it does, I'll

905
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 2>certainly afford it to you guys. But I remember the

906
00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 2>dimensions of it, so it was it was probably somewhere

907
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>between sixteen and eighteen inches long, and it was the

908
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:58.039
<v Speaker 2>width of my hand and then some so probably I'm

909
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:00.159
<v Speaker 2>guessing four or five inches wide. Made me.

910
00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:02.480
<v Speaker 4>You're the perfect guy to ask.

911
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:05.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean, boat hunters, and you're a guy, so you've

912
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:07.599
<v Speaker 5>chopped up tons of animals.

913
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 4>If you think it's seven foot tall, how much you

914
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 4>think it weighed?

915
00:52:11.639 --> 00:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. So the way the way I

916
00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:21.599
<v Speaker 2>would probably approach that is, we know Shaquille O'Neill is

917
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:29.239
<v Speaker 2>seven to right, and Shaquille probably weighs three hundred three

918
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:32.760
<v Speaker 2>h five something like that. Maybe I'm guessing this thing

919
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:39.880
<v Speaker 2>was probably because of how muscular it was, because you know,

920
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.079
<v Speaker 2>muscle weighs more than fat. Anyway, I'm guessing, if I

921
00:52:45.119 --> 00:52:49.280
<v Speaker 2>had to be accurate, probably somewhere between three fifty and five.

922
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 4>Hundred because shack's about three fifty.

923
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so then this thing probably had to be at least,

924
00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, four to five hundred. Then there's no way

925
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 2>at weighed eight one hundred or one thousand pounds. I

926
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 2>just that'd be hard to say for me, but I'm

927
00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:11.679
<v Speaker 2>guessing probably on the high end, probably five hundreds.

928
00:53:11.679 --> 00:53:14.920
<v Speaker 3>After the sighting and and the realization, after your two sightings,

929
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.119
<v Speaker 3>and your realization that like, oh they smoked, these things

930
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:20.280
<v Speaker 3>are actually out there, These things are real. I have

931
00:53:20.880 --> 00:53:23.599
<v Speaker 3>looking back at your previous guide experience and all the

932
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:25.760
<v Speaker 3>time you spent in the mountains, do you think you

933
00:53:25.840 --> 00:53:28.400
<v Speaker 3>might have ever been close to one before that and

934
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 3>you just didn't know because they weren't on the radar?

935
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:34.960
<v Speaker 2>You know what? I do think I have and it's

936
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:39.440
<v Speaker 2>only one one or two occasions because somebody else had

937
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:43.440
<v Speaker 2>asked me that. So when you're when you're hunting elk,

938
00:53:44.639 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 2>elk put out a smell that you can if there's

939
00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:51.039
<v Speaker 2>especially if there's a bunch of them during the mating season,

940
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:56.119
<v Speaker 2>a bull elk will will urinate on himself and and

941
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:59.159
<v Speaker 2>he'll get in what we call walls, which is they

942
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 2>dig out of and it'll kind of that has water

943
00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.320
<v Speaker 2>and they'll make mud out of it, and they'll get

944
00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.119
<v Speaker 2>in there and they'll coat themselves in this mud because

945
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:12.360
<v Speaker 2>an elk will spend more time. A lot of people

946
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:14.800
<v Speaker 2>don't know this, but elka spend more time trying to

947
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.519
<v Speaker 2>stay cool than he will anything else. And so by

948
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:21.639
<v Speaker 2>kicking himself with his mud and all that, it helps

949
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:24.719
<v Speaker 2>him stay cool. And so during the mating season, what

950
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.960
<v Speaker 2>an elk do. He'll get in there and he'll start

951
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:30.320
<v Speaker 2>wallowing and doing all that. And while he's doing that,

952
00:54:30.440 --> 00:54:35.159
<v Speaker 2>he'll urinate in the mud on himself. And so when

953
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 2>the rut occurs, it usually goes on somewhere between anywhere

954
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:44.360
<v Speaker 2>from twenty five to forty days long. So you're thinking

955
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:47.039
<v Speaker 2>that this thing is doing this, you know, at two

956
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:50.840
<v Speaker 2>or three four times a day, and so that creates

957
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:55.559
<v Speaker 2>a smell. So it gives you that musky smell. And

958
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 2>so a lot of times when you're hunting and you're

959
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 2>down when of an elk, you can smell long before

960
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you ever seen them. And there had been a couple

961
00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:11.639
<v Speaker 2>times that the stitch has come over us and you're going,

962
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not like, man, that is the grossest smelling elk

963
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:18.360
<v Speaker 2>I've ever smelled. You know, and in the back of

964
00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.280
<v Speaker 2>your mind going, you know that don't even smell like

965
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:25.519
<v Speaker 2>an elk, and so so, not knowing one hundred percent,

966
00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, if I had, I would say probably, just

967
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.199
<v Speaker 2>because I think I've smelled them before.

968
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:37.320
<v Speaker 10>So yeah, probably Did you talk about finding that gutted

969
00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 10>or female elk the cowk that was gutted that you

970
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:43.320
<v Speaker 10>didn't see the actual antle that you heard it?

971
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:45.760
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I was gonna say, like, there's there's some really

972
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:47.960
<v Speaker 6>cool stuff that happened in the aftermath of all that

973
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:49.800
<v Speaker 6>that I think would be great for the member section

974
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 6>that involved some of those things and some tracks and

975
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 6>some sounds that I think you guys would love to hear,

976
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:56.440
<v Speaker 6>and I know our members would too.

977
00:55:57.000 --> 00:55:58.400
<v Speaker 3>All right, well why do we do that? Then? Why

978
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 3>don't we skid out all over to the member Because

979
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:04.400
<v Speaker 3>if there's follow up things and other unusual finds and

980
00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:07.079
<v Speaker 3>observations in the area, I'd like to hear about those,

981
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:09.119
<v Speaker 3>and I'm sure our members would as well, And of

982
00:56:09.119 --> 00:56:11.039
<v Speaker 3>course are any of our regular listeners. If you want

983
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:12.880
<v Speaker 3>to be a member, it's just five bucks a month

984
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:15.199
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985
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:19.960
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986
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:24.679
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987
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.280
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988
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:29.599
<v Speaker 3>be a member. Go to the Bigfoot and Beyond podcast

989
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:33.239
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990
00:56:33.280 --> 00:56:34.280
<v Speaker 3>tell you everything you need to know.

991
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.320
<v Speaker 5>All right, folks, Well, thanks a lot of Jeff Desich

992
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.920
<v Speaker 5>for joining us. It's really important you know that we have,

993
00:56:40.599 --> 00:56:43.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, qualified eyewitnesses.

994
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:43.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean disguis.

995
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:46.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean we're talking about a guy that's one outfit

996
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:47.960
<v Speaker 5>of the year for Colorado.

997
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 4>I mean, so this guy's an expert.

998
00:56:50.360 --> 00:56:54.199
<v Speaker 5>So I appreciate his uh an applaud his candor and

999
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:57.000
<v Speaker 5>honesty and bravery to come forward. So thank you, Jeff,

1000
00:56:57.679 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 5>and until next week, y'all keep it squatching.

1001
00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:08.559
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1002
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1003
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1004
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1005
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