Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone to Pony Express Radio number
fifty nine, speaking yours filling in for red Hawk. Red
Hawk is in the basement with Doug right now, so
we don't know if he's going to be let out.
Maybe and yeah, so say hello to say alor to
our guests, our past I'll hear Charlo Mayne. How you doing?
Speaker 2: I'm good. I just finished my delicious ice cream sandwich snack.
Oh man, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Paul Fahrenheit, how you doing?
Speaker 4: A lot less happier than I was when I started
the day, given that the demographic makeup of trick or
treaters has a depressed me immensely.
Speaker 1: Gibbs, Gibbs, Gibbs, it's a Gibbs Day. And our special guest,
somebody who has been gracious enough to have me on
his show a couple of times. He had dark and
lightment on. He's pushing the envelope. Michael Ferris, How you doing, Michael?
Speaker 5: I'm good man. I'm just waiting for the election next week.
It's just gonna, you know, solve all my problems and
I can go back to the couch and everything will
be utopia again.
Speaker 1: Okay, Boomer, so down sorry, all right, So I guess
the first thing we should talk about is that a
Nazi rally was held at Madison Square Garden this past
weekend that had ripples across the the punditry world, especially
when it comes to garbage. So do we have any
how iconic is this right now? I mean, well, first
of all, you had him, he's doing this all the time.
Now he's he goes to McDonald's, he does the Norman
Rockwell thing, and here he is being garbage Maine. What
what did y'all think when you saw this?
Speaker 4: Well, last week I went on a long diatribe about
the kings of France and how they were educated, and
I mean, you know, this really is you know the
Donald Donald Trump is firmly stepping into the executive role
that in all honesty, it's you know, if he wasn't
born for it, he's absolutely being formed for it. And
he recognizes that what the United States needs now more
than ever is someone who is so completely in so
completely secure, so completely in control of things, so firm
of a hand, so paternalistic, et cetera, et cetera, that
you know, you can go off and be a garbage
truck driver. Even for a photo op and have it
leave no discernible mark, like literally almost like like like
like his clothes are clean, but you know, have it
leave no discernible mark on him. But at the same time,
he gets the glory for doing it, you know. So
that's really I do think that this is this is
you know, for the short term stability of the country.
This will be absolutely absolutely vital. But you know, as
has been said it, you know it will not it
will not address the underlying issues that will be here
after he is gone.
Speaker 1: I think the best thing I heard was the story
behind this, because obviously, if he's in the garbage truck,
him putting on this vest makes a lot of sense.
But then he went and spoke and he's still wearing
the vest, and the story goes and he was telling
he was saying it in a self deprecating way that
we haven't heard in like twenty sixteen or twenty twenty.
He's like, ah, I'm not going to wear that up there,
give me my blue jacket. And they're like, sir, we
think it makes you look at thinner. He's like, oh, okay, okay,
put it on. Put it on. I'll go up there
with this, I'll go up there with this.
Speaker 4: That's so classically Trump. It's it's he's he's kind of
what is it. It's like it's like faux faux vanity.
He's like making fun of himself. But at the same
time everyone knows that that's probably not how it went.
Speaker 2: He also Trump went. He does these photo ops. He's
never sort of LARPing as like a lower class person
or something. He's always he's always Trump. He's Trump in
the costume of a garbage man. He's Trump at McDonald's,
but he still has the tie on. He's completely unblemish.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 2: It's not like some of these other politicians when they
go out in campaign and they don't usually even as
go as far as he's doing, but they sort of
pretend to be, you know, one of the middle class
or lower class, like and they they try and fake it.
But Trump, the reason these things work for Trump is
because he doesn't pretend to like not be Trump, not
be part of the elite upper class. He is just
donning the garb, but there's no real pretense about it.
It's just sort of played straight. And I think that's
that's why it actually appeals to people, because he's not.
He's not actually like talking down to people, because it's
it's sort of patronizing to have someone like Trump like
actually pretend to be like just like you. I think
that's what a lot of a lot of people on
the left who vote Democrat have just fundamentally missed this
about Trump. Like nobody who votes for Trump is under
the illusion that Trump is not an elite or or
that they think he like really is like like someone
who who can do who does a garbage truck thing,
and who can like serve fries and it's like totally
comfortable with doing that. I mean, that's that those are
like bits that he does, and it's it's endearing because
there's there's no there's no pretense about it in terms of,
you know, he's just he's just playing it straight. And
I think I think a lot of leftists because they
operate much more on thisotional level in terms of having
to like be they have main character syndrome much more often,
and they need to really feel like the other the
politician representing them is like just like them in some capacity,
and nobody thinks Trump is like them even when he's
doing these things. And I think I think the journalists
and leftists in general just fundamentally don't get this the
way the right perceives it's star politicians, which at this
point are basically like just Trump and arguably JD. Vans,
Like nobody's looking for that politician to like be like
them in some way.
Speaker 1: He's coming across as like the perfect kind of patrician.
He reminds me of the like if you work construction
and the CEO shows up to the job site, and
if he's a really nice guy and everybody loves him,
you don't mind that the helmet is brand new and
doesn't have a scratch on it. You don't You don't
think he's LARPing. You think he's there to just let
you know, Hey, I think you're doing a really good
you know, doing a really good job. Love you guys.
And it's just a it's it's way more paternal or patrician,
nobless oblige. I mean, you can use it, you can
use a ton of terms for basically how he's coming
off to the American people. And I think that's why
a lot more people are coming in his direction. Now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a natural hierarchy present in Trump and the
way he does things that's not in Democrat politicians because
you know, their their side is like fundamentally leveling, and
you know, for the CEO to come to the job
side or whatever, like, there's an expectation that this this
class barrier is broken. But it's it's preferable for someone
in a more patrician role to perform their duties as
they're supposed to and respectfully in relation to you performing
your duties at a lower level like. It's it's there's
nothing wrong with hierarchy basically, and that's why if the
CEO comes to the job site and he is performing
the role he's supposed to perform respectfully and admirably, there's
no issue with him being higher in the hierarchy. It's
it's when these leftists who want everyone to be like
brought low to the same level, they they fundamentally have
a problem with that. But there is no there is
no problem with hierarchy. That's what it really comes back
to is is you know, the left doesn't understand hierarchy,
or they understand it and they want to destroy it,
whereas people on the right respect hierarchy. And that's why
there's no issue whatsoever with the fact that like Trump
isn't really just like you know, one of the boys
or something.
Speaker 1: You had any comments on this mic, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Was gonna say. I also, you know, I look at
this as another example, and you know I was. I
had Chris Eman, uh the ZMAI on my podcast over
the weekend or and he brought this up. Is you know,
over the last couple of weeks you had McDonald's rogan
now this and you know, as we were winding down
the campaign here in the next couple of days, it's
an end of an era and uh, you know, he's
going out with a bang, you know, the kind of
the finale of a fireworks display. Because I'll never see
the political movement that the Trump era, the era of Trump,
the age of Trump. I never seen this before. Whether
you love him or you hate him, he changed it
and I don't I'll never see this again in my lifetime,
what he's done and it you know, try to appreciate.
I'm not really good a living in the moment, but
you know, to take a step back and you know,
reflect on what it was like when he came into
this and this truly is the end. No matter what
the outcome of the election is because he won't be
able to he'll be he won't run again after this
if he loses.
Speaker 1: But I can't. I don't remember a president ever though
who And ze Man's right, you're right, the this is
the end of an error era. But if he wins,
we're going into something. We're going into a presidency like
we've never We're going into a president elect period like
we've never seen before. We have no this guy's the limit.
We don't know what is going to happen. It could
be peaceful, which we know it's not going to be.
It could be, you know, as Charles Haywood has been saying,
you know, a Lutwach kind of coup attempts could happen.
So as we're leaving this and as we're you know,
enjoying him in his garb, you know, in the garbage truck,
and him at McDonald's and him on Rogan, just cutting
it up with Rogan, we have to remember that between
the fifth and the twenty the fifth of this month,
of the coming month and the twentieth of January, this
could be a period like we've never seen before in
the history of this country.
Speaker 5: What do you see for for like for next week, Pete.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll make the prediction here and people can
put up the clown emojis and everything because they think
I'm You don't think I'm a clown. But I think
we're going to be doing our live stream next Tuesday,
and we're going to know Trump one before midnight. I mean,
it's going to be so I think it's going to
be so lopsided. They'll be like mail in ballots are
even going to aren't even gonna matter. Yeah, I think
it's going to be at that point. We're going to
go to sleep that night and wake up the next
day and wonder, what the hell, you know, what are
we going into.
Speaker 2: I think the open question will be the popular vote.
We may know that Trump has won fairly early, but
there may be some shenanigans just to prevent him from
getting the popular vote, and obviously that matters quite a
lot in terms of his mandate. If he wins the
popular vote, which does matter. You can pretend like it
doesn't matter all you want, but both the electoral college
and the popular vote certainly matter in some sense. And
if he loses the popular vote, that could be done
through you know, the mail in system, that we're familiar
at this point in order to facilitate some sort of
unrest between the election and inauguration day. I don't think
it's particularly likely, but there's definitely a non zero chance
of rather than fortification this time, there are you know,
as you alluded to, some sort of Lutwok esque provocations
that could potentially result in Trump not being inaugurated for
some reason. I think that there's a very low likelihood
of that happening, but there could also be some sort
of legal shenanigans happening. Who knows. I think the election
night will be a lot smoother than last time. I
don't think we're going to not know until like three
in the morning. It might take a little longer than midnight,
but I think it will be clear that Trump has
won the election. But that said, we need to watch
what's happening very closely in the intermediary period because is myself,
I don't I don't buy the concept that, you know,
the regime wants Trump. I think they have accepted that
he's unbeatable in a fair election at the moment, but
that doesn't mean they're not going to continue with every
possible avenue they can to, if not prevent him from
taking office, place some sort of sort of damicles above
his head, kind of like they did with the Marussia stuff.
Right Like, if they can put some sort of black
mark or obstacle on his administration before it even starts,
then that could be a way of preventing him from
achieving his his purported agenda. I don't think they want
him to just come in and you know, put the
woke away. I think they want him to be as
unsuccessful as possible. So rather than a steal or something
like that, we may see the president elect period be
used in order to keep so much baggage onto his
incoming administration that it cripples them in some way. Maybe
this could be related to Ukraine and Russia, because I
expect that, I mean, obviously that's the thing they like
to play, right as the Russia card. Maybe they'll try
playing it again. We know that there's if he comes
into office, it's going to have implications for the war
that will take it in a different direction than what
Kamala Harris would likely pursue. And it might be possible
that they will try and use that against him, you know,
through some sort of obscure law or whatever that has
to do with you know, him even conceiving that he
would you know, be negotiating with Russia, even in an
unofficial capacity before he comes into office.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's something that I've said that I think
is going to happen. I think that he is going
to negotiate the peace and in between Russia and Ukraine
as president elect. And that's going to make people insane.
That's going to make them even more insane. Something that
Michael brought up when he was when I was on
his show last week was that you know, you realize,
he said, you realize that Kamala has to certify the election. Now,
how great would it be? I mean not great, but
just for pure theater. How if she said no, she's
not going to do it. I mean, what what happens?
I don't even know what happens in that case? What
would be the you know what people would do? What
you would do?
Speaker 5: Yesterday, counselor I had a concern in kalam On and
Jim had said, I don't remember what the law is
or how that what the amendment is now, But apparently
after twenty twenty, they've changed things or amended things to
where the person the VP is just basically a passer on,
like they have no authority to stop it. And that's
apologize for not knowing what the term is off top
of my head.
Speaker 1: But well, that's good. I mean, it's I mean, it
would be very interesting and it would get us closer.
I think in some ways that we get us closer
to some of the goals that we would have because
it would just delegitimize the regime even more. But you know,
you would we don't want I don't want to see people,
well say, I don't want to see some people, but yeah,
I don't want to see you know, violence, So for this,
but I don't know, what do you guys think.
Speaker 5: I think that the R Kane Law, by the way,
to the new election certification rules is the ar Kane law.
Speaker 4: Okay, well I will I will say this. A lot
of people believe that I don't want to use the
fringing word. So there's two words. One starts with C,
the second one starts with W. Okay, and a lot
of people believe that, you know, we're not there yet.
And my response to that was in you know, the
the idea of that occurring in the nineteenth century, wasn't
really a reality for people until what happened with John Brown,
which was little a year, you know, I mean, yeah,
it was on the eve of one of the most
election important elections in history. But you know, I guess
first as tragedy, second as farce. But you know, I mean,
you know when when when when John Brown occurred, that
was sort of when the ship left harbor and there
was nothing you could really do about it. So I mean,
I personally think that you know, Donald Trump will win
overwhelmingly on election night, Kamala not certifying the election results
or people stamping their fist, I mean, you know, I mean,
and and if if I were them, the reasonable course
of action to take would be just hold on for
four years, lay as many booby traps as you can
for Trump. You know, he's he's there's only so much
damage he can do. Batter down the hatches, protect your
influence networks, wait for him to run out his course,
and then you put up Newsom in twenty eight against
whatever Mickey Mouse candidate that the you know, RNC inevitably picks,
you know, and and and that would be what would
be reasonable. But you know, these I am I am
less inclined to believe that these are reasonable, competent people.
And I understand that some people will put forth that,
you know, oh, if they were just incompetent, then every
so often something would go our way. Well, every so
often something does go our way. It's just there's not
a lot of press on it, you know. But these
people are deranged, very irrational, and are losing what little
that they have left to lose, and if they are
given a provocation like what occurred in eighteen fifty nine,
then something like this could easily, you know, just snap
in a year. I mean, shoot, this was in eighteen
fifty Now, obviously there were state militias and there were
state governments and things like that, but like we have
those today, we have those in our in our present day.
Hurricane the Hurricane Helene relief taught me something about relationship
dynamics between the National Guard and active duty army. But
you know, this sort of thing. The Confederate government was
spun up in a few months, if that in a month.
And this is when the fastest form of transportation and
communication you had was telegraphs, right, which admittedly yes, transmitted
instantaneous information, but not a large quantity of it. Imagine
something like this, like, we know what the sides are,
we know exactly where it would break down on. We
know it would be a little bit more complicated than
you know, eighteen hundred and sixty. But it's possible, precisely
because of how irrational it is. It is possible. And
I don't want anyone for a second to think that
because it is you know, completely unfact or you know,
there's no way it could happen. Wars are not rational things.
Wars are a lot of times results of a highly
tense situation in which cooler heads are not present to
belated decision. So, I know I've been talking for a while.
Speaker 1: No, that's perfectly fine. So do we want to talk
about the joke that started the whole garbage thing? Well,
I can say something about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I just want to give my thanks to President
Biden for switching sides at the critical hour and you know,
campaigning for President Trump. You know, thank you President Biden
for everything you've done for this country. I mean, it's
pretty obvious that he is now just campaigning for Trump, right,
like the whole garbage people, which was kind of It's
so obviously and intentional repeat of Hillary Clinton's basket of deplorables,
like the whole Maga hat thing is some of the
things he said. I refuse to believe that this is
just senile Joe or something making flubs. There's no way
he didn't do it on purpose, in my opinion, and
just to cap mister Fahrenheit's point there, I don't think
Kamala Harris really cares about the election. I mean, she's
just obviously wasted, like all the time. It's like she
doesn't strike me as someone who actually thinks she's going
to win the election or cares about anyone else, which
kind of means she could do anything, because there's no
way that this woman actually believes she's gonna win. But
she's certainly a spiteful mutant, which you know, if we
look at how Biden has turned on his own party,
she could easily do something similar or just some other
random behavior because she's she's a completely unseerious person and
is clearly not actually invested in this campaign or the
country at all. But do you do you agree with
my take on the garbage comments from Biden?
Speaker 1: Pete, Yeah, I think that he is. I think he
is very spiteful about this whole thing. It's obvious that
he didn't put out those tweets saying that he was
stepping down and endorsing Kamala, and then he seems like
he's everything he could possibly do since then, I think
it's only been three months to basically sabotage her, and
you'd think the thing that they'd want to do is
is just like to leave him in the White House.
It have the perfect be like, well, you know, with
everything's going on with Israel in Ukraine and the e contomy,
you know, President Biden's working hard, yet they could just
hide him. Every once in a while he can walk
out there. You can see he can walk out and
just wave, so you know, he hasn't died yet, but
he's managing to get out there. And I think that
that's probably probably has something to do with his wife too.
I think, you know, his wife has to be more
upset than any more upset than him, because I mean,
let's face it, she's the one who enjoyed all of
this the last four years. I mean it's like, yeah,
they say a wedding, the wedding day is really not
about the bride. It's about the bride's mom it's like,
this is like what this is what this is like,
It's like this the past four years haven't been about
Joe Biden. It's been about Jill Biden. And she's probably
more spiteful than anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a good point.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, going back to that MSG, did anybody anybody
see any of the footage from there? The jokes, the
the absolute cring Rudy Giuliani's take on Israel, But it
seems like, yeah, it seems like everybody was concentrating on
the jokes and you know, they get some gay comedians
that go up there and just uh ship on Puerto
Rico and you know, a joke really only lands if
there's some truth to it, and it is a floating
garbage dump in the middle of the Caribbean right now.
And yeah, it's I think it's hilarious that some people
have hung their hat on riling up the Puerto Ricans
to vote, like they weren't to vote for Kamala in
the first place.
Speaker 4: Like they carry an electoral college vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Ruby Rudy Giuliani moment was really pathetic. But
then again, given what is happening to him, you know,
basically literally everything's been taken from him by the court
case that he lost regarding the defamation of those two
black women, and in regard to the twenty twenty election.
You know, it's hard to blame him from being for
becoming a total suck boy for Israel because like, maybe
those are the only people who can help him now.
I don't know. So I don't want to be too
hard on him, given I don't even particularly like him
that much, but it's like, given what they've done to him,
it's like I'll cut him a lot of slack at
this point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, choose in between Juliani and the two primates that
they gave his gave his penthouse too. I'll pick Giuliani,
you know, the last see at least we know he's
not going to be with us much longer.
Speaker 5: Do you guys find what's what's interesting about this? Like,
you know, I I talked to you know, Boomers, some
family members this week and kind of like the R
and C where, you know, they were just like did
you see him as g It was amazing and and
you know it was so motivating, so inspiring, and and
you know, I didn't watch the whole thing, but Trump's
speech to me was I don't know, it was similar
to every every other speech that he does. Right, Giuliani
wasn't dead, And I mean I've always liked Mayor Giuliani,
you know, would watch him and how he handled nine
to eleven. But oh it wasn't didn't grab me. I
like Hogan though, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's a circus. The reason why Hogan
Hogan brings so much to this and why people love
seeing him is because, I mean this is all just
basically a circus, and when he comes out there just
reminds us of exactly how much how much of a
circus it is.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well, whole Cogan is like the Bell curve meme,
where he's appealing to both ends of the Bell curve
the most right. Everyone else is like appealing to the
Everything else in here is mostly geared toward midwites, but
the tall Cogan thing is is geared towards the extremes of.
Speaker 1: The the IQ curve, and those are the extremes that
make things happen, and the ones in the middle of
that they're the war. Isn't it so obvious when you
encounter one on Twitter and you're just like, do I block,
so I call them a faget. What do I do here?
Speaker 2: I usually go with just block because uh, I like
keeping my account, but you know, I understand the alternative too.
Speaker 1: All right, is there anything else anybody wants to say
about the uh, about the whole MSG thing. I mean,
it really didn't match up to nineteen thirty nine. I
was hoping it was a little more like nineteen thirty nine,
but we just didn't get there. Guys.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I was just going to say, it's actually a different
location too.
Speaker 1: So you know, the locations actually moved three different times.
So we're gonna say, what did.
Speaker 5: You guys say? I mean, what did you think over
all the energy of the event.
Speaker 1: It was the typical Trump event with you know, high
energy and people just there for a party. You know,
there were I think there was They said there was
another thousand people outside and there were like fifty protesters
or something like that. So, which is really wild when
you think about it, because when you think about New
York City, you think about you know, SHITLBS Central, and
you would think there would be a whole bunch more
people out there, you know, saying their peace and everything.
But no, there was you know, a thousand extra people
who wanted to get in and who were just I
guess there for the environment, and then fifty people who
are probably fifty college professors from like NYU and Hunter
something like that.
Speaker 4: What I what I think is interesting is what what
the mayor of New York was saying about it. Eric Adams,
who you know, I know, that's his name, right, that's
his name, correct, Eric Adams Adams. Yeah, I mean, and
I don't like he's been Yeah, he's been prosecuted. But
I mean, if anything tells you about the state of
the Democratic Party right now, it's not a lot of
their like real on the ground corrupt machine operators, like
the actual workhorses that get the Democratic Party system functioning,
have been prosecuted or you know, otherwise been put on
the outs with their party. I mean, you know the
Blagoyovitch interview with I haven't watched it yet, but I
saw that there was this Blagoyovich interview with with Tucker,
and I mean, shoot, if you want to talk about
like a down and dirty, like run of the mill,
old school Democrat machine.
Speaker 1: Operator, I mean, dude, he explains it. He starts getting
into Chicago politics and it is exactly if you've read
anything about it. I mean, he explains it really well
and he doesn't hold back at all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, and that's in many ways, the
Democratic Party is kind of just how Chicago politics work
writ large in the country, you know. I mean, but
but Eric, you know, the thing I was going to
say with Eric Adams is that, you know, the fact
that he's just you know, basically going out of his way.
You know, a Democrat saying Trump isn't a Nazi is
the equivalent of a Republican screaming you know, h H
fourteen eighty eight, et cetera, et cetera, at the top
of their lungs, you know, freaking past the bikes, you know,
race car at NASCAR car this evening, you know, et cetera.
That's which is a significant thing. It's like it's like
the same thing with like Biden. You know, we were
talking about earlier Biden calling all of Trump's supporters trash.
It's the exact same thing, you know, to the as
far as the Democrats are concerned, any ground conceded is
the equivalent of you know that on the Republican Party
side of things. And so Eric Adams going out of
his way, especially in regards to this event, to legitimize
it as part of the quote unquote normal political process
is an absolute breaking of ranks. And you know, it's
it's it's it's really interesting to see now. You know,
I know I made an earlier point, but perhaps that
earlier point is meant for twenty years from now. But
it's it's the same thing. But at the same time,
it's it's, yeah, I don't see how the Democrats can
actually politically organize any sort of resistance to stop Trump
beyond you know, setting some booby traps for him in
a variety of departments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, anybody else have anything? All right, let's move on.
So let's talk about Joe Rogan, somebody who you know,
what's weird is I haven't watched a Joe Rogan interview
in pro over a year, probably probably going on a
year and a half, two years, And I watched two
in like the last five days, which just tells you
exactly how how important like the when you have a
presidential hopeful, and then today I'm releasing the vice presidential
hopeful going on the show. So I guess we can
talk about the Rogan and the Trump interview. First, I
found it to be I found there were really not
a lot of a really good not a lot of
good back and forth. There was a lot of uh,
Trump dodging on some things. Do we have a do
we have a clip from that that from from Trump
broke in that we want to play?
Speaker 3: So I always got more publicity than other people, and
I didn't. It wasn't like I was trying. In fact,
I don't know exactly why. Maybe you can tell me why.
Speaker 1: I could definitely tell you.
Speaker 7: Said a lot of wild shit.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they said a lot of wild shit.
Speaker 7: And then CNN in there all their brilliance by highlighting
your wild shit made you much more popular. Yeah, and
they boost you in the polls because people were tired
of someone talking in this bullshit, pre prepared politician lingo.
And even if they didn't agree with you, they at
least knew whoever that guy is, that's him, that's really him.
When you see certain people talk, certain people in the
public eye, you don't know who they are. You have
no idea who they are. It's very difficult to know.
You see them in conversations. They have these pre and answers.
They say everything it's very rehearsed. You never get to
the meat of it. The one of the beautiful things
about you is that you free ball, like you get
out and you do these huge events and you're just
talking and you're making We've we've highlighted you on the
show many times when you did this Biden impression where
he's walking around, he doesn't know what he's doing. Story,
it's it's stand up. It's funny stuff. But it's like
you and you were making fun of Elon once time
doing it in Elon impression.
Speaker 4: It's great.
Speaker 7: You have like comedic instincts, like when you said to
Hillary you'd be in jail, Like that's great timing. But
it's like that kind of stuff was unheard of as
a politician, Like no one had done that.
Speaker 1: Anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a fairly straight, kind of normy
rundown on like what made Trump popular to be in
the beginning. I mean, I think there's a bit more
to it than just like he said wild shit, you know.
It's it's more like he said things that appealed, not
just appealed, but were directly supportive of the white middle class.
I won't say working class because that's a fake and
gay thing that doesn't exist. But the white middle class
has been stopped on by the government for decades and
there are there have been no politicians in some of
our lifetimes who have actually done anything for the white
middle class at all. And that's why the regime was
triggered against him, because they recognized that he was appealing to,
not just appealing to, but promising to help this group
that's basically been slated for destruction or slavery.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and and you were talking about there, Charlie.
The Trump was a pressure release valve for the instincts
of you know, what has previously been called the silent majority.
But like you said, you know, basically and it wasn't
just a lower class coalition. That's the biggest mistake people make.
You know, Trump was a white coalition, right, because you know,
all political any political demographic test that is worth its
salt and is semi honest about things has clearly demonstrated
that as the United States gets more multi racial, people's
voting preferences start aligning more with their specific racial in
group to a lesser or greater extent. And what Trump
was was a pressure release valve for those not a
pressure release valve. A He spoke to the instincts of
to the nationalist instincts of masculine white men who did
not like where the country was going. But he did
it in such a way that it didn't scare the hose, right,
and he scared the hose a little bit, but he
did it in such a way where the only thing
that they were really scared of was how no one
had done it yet. And you know, I mean and
and it really is the sort of you could call
this the last gasp of the white of the white majority, now,
of course, barring the largest deportation operation in human.
Speaker 1: History, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is really this is the end of something.
This is the I've said this before, and I really
do think he will win, and I think it will
be a very good four years for us. But this
is it, y'all. This is this is this is the
last four years of anything resembling a normal America. You know,
so use the time, whise it, get ready, But you know,
you will have four years of peace and relative prosperity.
But after that, who knows.
Speaker 1: Something we don't normally do. I'm going to do Pete
Budapest has a super chat here that I want to
read because I think he makes a great point. What
we're talking about all this is that things didn't start
changing until Musk bought Twitter. Debate me, he says, debate me.
Bro culture doesn't change, jack shit, power does. And see
what Dev commented on that and said, whoever moderates the
public square is the one who has power. And I
think that's what we're seeing now. I mean, anyone who
says they haven't seen a shift in the last couple
of years since Musk bought Twitter is just purity spiraling.
They're caught in their in ideological possession of some sort.
But none of this, none of this starts to happen
until you know, Musk buys Twitter, and you know, Musk
buys Twitter. And look, I mean he he's friends with
Joe Rogan, and you get you get Trump. He becomes,
he becomes friends, he starts supporting Trump. Then Trump ends
up on Rogan, and people see Trump's a normal guy
who can sit there for three hours, talk off the
top of his head, not have to take a piss,
not not really drink anything. And it's like, wow, you know,
I mean this is when we started talking about the
PayPal mafia. It all went back to the purchase of Twitter.
That's when things really started to change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this and a number of other things really btfo
Jarvin's hypothesis about money having no power at all, because
Elon Musk bought Twitter with money and that's really all
there is to it. Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post
with money, and in contradiction to some of those writings,
it looks like Bezos can actually veto presidential endorsements. And
it looks like as well that the Kamala Harris campaign
is pretty much broke and due to a number of
reasons we don't have to get into here, but Trump's
campaign is not. So it's pretty clear that money actually
gives you a lot of power if you use it correctly,
which Musk certainly did. I mean Musk, that was how
he acquired Twitter, and there was really nothing else to it.
So the money was transformed into power through the purchase
of the purchase of Twitter. So this is really important
because you know, we shouldn't get the idea that like
having having enough money is not enough, Like actually, if
you have enough money, you can you can buy a
lot of power or with it just period, you actually
can just buy power, which is what Musk did.
Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, well some of these these women there's
so they're so stupid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like my favorite moment.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that was you Just when he said that,
I'm like, oh, that's going to be cut and it was.
It was on Twitter in five minutes. It was. It
was so beautiful, so beautiful, so many beautiful things said there.
I mean it the fact that it turned into like
a Joe Rogan, a Joe Rogan thing where they start
talking about the UFC and everything that that was that
was pretty incredible. So, Paul, do you got something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I I just I just I I wanted you
to come to the end of your come to the
end of your But there was another clip from this
interview that I that when Charlie was talking about deploying
money from Musk. It kind of gave me an idea
that it kind of dovetails with what Trump was talking about.
But I wanted to I wanted to make sure you
finished your thought first.
Speaker 1: Well, let's play it.
Speaker 3: Whole life of the White House. But Lincoln had the
yips about in a way as the golfers would say
he had a phobia about Roberty. Lee said, I can't
beat Roberty because Roberty Lee won many battles in a row.
He was just beating the hell out of you know.
They tried to get Roberty Lee to be on the North,
but he said, no, I have to be with my state.
You know, the state was his whole thing. And he
went to the South and he was I've had generals
tell me we have some great generals. The real general
is not the ones you see on television, the ones
that beat Isis with me. We defeated Isis in record time.
It was supposed to take years and we did it
in a matter of weeks. These are great generals. These
are tough guys. He's in out woke guys. But fa
general in terms of genius was ROBERTI. Lee. Strategy, strategy, Strategically,
he took a war that should have been over in
a few days and it was, you know, years of hell,
a vicious war.
Speaker 4: And so this was I think one of the most
interesting clips of the interview had happened very very early.
Speaker 6: Right But.
Speaker 4: And I will fully admit in the past I have
said some things that I was wrong about about Roberty
Lee's strategic capability because I hadn't read about the overland
campaign in Shelby Foot. Yet I have since read about
the overland campaign, and I I do not like it
is unquestionable the once in a I don't I don't
even like. I don't want to compare Roberty Lee. I
can't think of someone who who was equivalent given the
position that he had. I'm sure if I, if you
gave me a minute, I could even in American history,
I'm sure. But what Lee was able to do and
he was uniquely suited, so he was this This has
to do, by the way, with what Charlemagne said about
Elon Musk deploying money to buy Twitter and how that
propelled him into power. Right now, that's a I want
everyone to, every one of the viewers to put in
their mind real quick that Musk deploying money to purchase
Twitter is a very comparatively small amount of money. Small
amount of money compared to what our political opponents have.
Our political opponents have functionally infinite money, like it like
like would anyone here disagree with that that they have
functionally infinite money?
Speaker 1: Well, sure, they control the they control the printer absolutely right.
Speaker 4: Now, what that means is they have as much money
as they need in any given situation. But within military theory,
if it's just a if it's just a tail of
the tape, if it's just a tale of numbers, yes,
the larger force tends to defeat the smaller force. But
a smaller force can in certain outsized incidents, with a
very good commander who knows how to exploit it through maneuver,
a smaller force can defeat a much larger force through
what is called interior lines. What is interior lines, Well,
when you have a force of one hundred thousand men,
one hundred and sixty thousand men, however much it's really
big and unwieldy. The bigger your force, the harder it
is to command and control, the more you have to delegate,
the more levels of command there are, the more places
your orders can be misinterpreted. Right, And oftentimes with armies
this large, they are split into much smaller sometimes even
into penantly acting army groups. Right, a smaller force doesn't
need to defeat like, let's say, a force of sixty thousand,
They don't need to defeat an army of you know,
an army of one hundred and twenty thousand at once.
If that an army of one hundred and twenty thousand
is split into into four groups of forty thousand, all
that that army of sixty thousand needs to do is
fight them piecemeal, one by one, right it like exploit
their failures in maneuver, which inevitably will happen. And this
is how Robert E. Lee was able to defeat first well,
he wasn't in command for McDowell, but at the Seven
Pines he defeated McClellan the first time. At the second
Manassas campaign he defeated Pope much this way he defeated
was it He didn't defeat McClellan, but when But then
when Joe Hooker came down at the Chancellorsville camp, he
did the exact same thing. Chancellorsville was a masterstroke. And
when Grant and took command in eighteen sixty four for
the overland campaign, Lee almost did the exact same thing
at the Wilderness, but Longstreet was injured before the flanking
maneuver could be perfected. It was almost a perfect repetition
of Stowall Jackson's flanking maneuver at Chancellorsville a year to
the day, almost at North Anna, he set a trap
that Grant almost fell into, and would have fallen into
if Lee hadn't have taken ill And at Cold I
mean at Cold Harbor, he just like it was just
like Fredericksburg. It was anyway. I don't mean to get
into autism with this, but the point is is that
Lee was able to consistently deploy his much numerically smaller
force in such a way that he could exploit any
failure of maneuver that separated any aspect of the Army
of the Potomac from the rest of the Army of
the Potomac, even when Grant was in If Wilderness had
gone slightly differently, Grant probably would have been fired. Right,
So take this and compare this to maybe if you
were a stute listener, you might have already put this together.
Musk has nowhere. He has money. You need to have
money to sit at this table, but he is nowhere
near the amount of money Teel, the PayPal mafia do
not have anywhere near this amount of money that the
elites do. That the Democrats do, but they don't need
to because likely they don't have the luxury of flooding
the market with money, but they can play for space.
And they've realized that the Dems, especially because of incompetency.
That was another big thing he had to his advantage
was the other side was incompetent generally. All that they
needed to do was find the weakest spot that was
also the most disproportionate, the most outsized. And that was
as it was said in the super chat, Twitter is
how real life is Twitter. Twitter is the center of
existence right now. It is the It is the Agoram
of Athens. Right it is where everything is discussed, everything
is hawked. You know, you have the most funny, interesting
character it It's that is what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just to reinforce before you continue, Like, I know
a lot of people aren't on Twitter and don't want
to be understandably, but people who are like YouTube only
or whatever, It's like, if you're not on Twitter, you're
literally just non participatory in basically the high culture, like
culture is made and defined on Twitter. Now the future
of the country is defined on Twitter. Like that sounds
stupid to say, but it is just true. Twitter is
is where it is happening in real time, every single day,
every single hour, every single moment. Now that that is
where things happen, like when we're streaming YouTube right now,
this is like always just after action reports, almost everything
we talk about for the last year or more, however
long we've been doing this show. It's it's all stuff
that happened on Twitter, even if the Twitter, you know,
is just like a window into into other parts of reality,
that that it really is where where culture in the
future is created. Anyway, just wanted to reinforce.
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, and just to bring this, Oh, go ahead, mister.
Speaker 5: Micro no no, I was just gonna I wanted to
get your guys take on just Elon and and his
you know, investment into Trump and making sure that he,
you know, wins it. You know, why why do you
think he is so invested in this? Do you think
he's a trying to protect his livelihood be you know,
his business ventures are tying into all this Because the
question that I asked myself with them, and I love that,
you know just as much as everybody else, I think,
and I use it a ton, but you know, he's
tied to govern and contracts, and when you're tied to
government contracts, you have to buy by certain rules, and
that's where I get conflicted with him at all this
And I'm just curious what you guys think. Pete. I
know you and I talked about this, but I'd love
to hear with the other guys and how and why
he's so tied into Trump.
Speaker 2: Well, I want, I want Paul to finish his point,
but I'll answer this briefly. I think the answer is
very clear and straightforward, and Elon Musk has set as
much several times. His life goal basically is to put
a human colony on Mars, a permanent settlement, and the
regime is stopping him from doing that. And that's really
all there is to it. I mean, once you know,
as as Stormy Waters was talking about on Pete Kes
podcast the other day, there's no there's no amount of
money that like Musk has more money than he can spend.
When you have the munch money, you're interested, Your interest
moves to you know, writing your name in history. Basically,
and in my opinion, based on things must as He's
articulated this very clearly multiple times. His mission his life
is about creating a human cality on Mars. The regime
is stopping him from doing that. Trump is his way
to achieve his life goal. And that's really all there
is to it, I think, and we can come, we
can talk about that more, but I want, I want
Paul to finish his points since I interrupted him, Well.
Speaker 4: I mean it's it wasn't so much of a coup
de gras. I mean, it's it's legitimately, it's you know,
I was tying what Trump said about Roberty Lee to
you know, Musk and the paypalm mafia understanding that they're
in a beleaguered position and that if you know they're
they're just going to continue to be sidelined as this
goes on. And so they've decided to make a gamble.
And much like how you can defeat a much larger
army with us smaller army, you can defeat a much
more financially equipped opponent with frankly, just better thinking power,
better basis and reality, and a better understanding of your
opponent's weaknesses and how you can maximize their weaknesses. And
that's exactly what's happened.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: There's also a second angle to Musk, and that is
that he's completely serious about punishing the people that as
he puts it killed his son by transing his son,
and someone like Musk, when you're turned into a genetic
dead end, that's as good as death, which totally reasonable.
Speaker 4: Take.
Speaker 2: So there's two things going on here, and both of
them have coincided in the necessity to go all in
on Trump because it's both his life goal and it's
also revenge and he had Those are two very powerful
motivations working in tandem, and I don't really think there's
any real complexity to Musk's reasoning for getting behind Trump.
What do you guys think about that?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 2: Does that answer your question?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 1: What I think one of the things that I would
say about Elon is is that, yeah, I mean, it's
always about self interest. Everyone has self interest, and it's
in his interest that the that Trump wins. I mean,
he was joking at the beginning of that interview at
Tucker about, you know, I'm going to be going to
jail if she wins. But I don't think it was
a joke. I mean, I think he honestly believes that
they're going to come after him. If they don't come
if he doesn't end up in jail, they're going to
They're going to break him like they did Trump. They'll
bankrupt him, they'll take away all of his contracts, they'll
make sure, they'll take everything he has. They'll take Starlink
from him.
Speaker 4: Like they're doing to Giuliani right now.
Speaker 1: They'll take everything from him. Absolutely in his self interest
that Trump wins. And I don't have a problem with that.
I mean, ye, let some of my old libertarianism come
out self interest. If somebody is self interested and they're
doing something in their self interest, and they're creating something
in their self interest and it benefits other people, well
then their self interest isn't bad. That's not a negative.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2: I mean the question I guess is what is Musk's
self interest? And like I said, I think he plays
it straight.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think Musk is someone who hides the ball
except when he really has to for like legal reasons
or political strategy. But I think for the most part
he's very straightforward, fairly uniquely, probably because he's kind of
autistic like some of us. I think he's pretty straightforward
about is prima Fashia goals?
Speaker 1: No, I agree. I mean, if he's hiding something, I
mean he's doing a really, he's doing a really good job.
It seems like he wears. He's been wearing a lot
his emotions on his sleeve, and he's been saying stuff
out loud that he wouldn't have hurt him. Say, remember
the first time he went on Rogan, I mean, trying
to get anything out of him at that time was
it was like pulling teeth. And now he just gets
in an interview and he just says what's on his mind.
Speaker 2: I want to mentioned I want to mention too before
I forget something about ISIS and that clip we saw,
because you know, I think a lot of what happened
in twenty twenty in regard to Trump is because of Trump, Russia, Ukraine,
and Trump talked here about, you know, how he defeated
ISIS in only a few months with certain generals that
were clearly leashed and prevented, like the US. Aren't the
military had the capability to destroy ISIS at any point?
Why didn't that happen? And the fact that Trump succeeded
in destroying ISIS quickly is part of this Ukraine Russia
situation because where where did ISIS primarily exist? Like Trump
talks about how Obama created ISIS the State Department or
Zog did create ISIS. Why did they do that? Though
ISIS mostly operated at its peak, it's most of its
territory was in Syria. Syria is an ally of Russia.
ASSAD is in particular. So I think the I think
this just is another one of those things that are
the sort of real geopolitical reasons why they needed to
keep him out of office, because he was undermining war
with Russia. And that's probably the biggest as I talked
about earlier, that's probably their biggest problem with him him
coming in again is the possibility of once again war
being undermined. Now you could say they've gotten what they've
wanted at this point. I tend to not believe that,
but I wanted to make that point too, because it's
not the whole Trump ISIS thing is not talked about
very much, but I believe it's it's another part. It's
another piece of the puzzle about the related to uh
Zog's war with Russia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do we have anything else from the from the
interview that we wanted to play?
Speaker 4: Alrighty, I do have real quick before we move on,
I just I just I just for whatever reason, I
just saw this. Apparently Trump got the got the Jake
Paul endorsement too. I started, as that is.
Speaker 5: And Kamala got Jennifer Aniston.
Speaker 4: I'll take Jake Paul over Jennifer Anniston.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least at least and Lebron James.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, sorry Lebron James too.
Speaker 1: At least Jake Paul has has the influence of young
people on YouTube and things like that. So so today
it dropped a little over three hours of jd vance
on uh on Rogan. So I think Doug has a
clip for.
Speaker 7: Us the States Blue Forever, the same with done California exactly.
Speaker 8: And we saw this, and look, I'm like a Reagan guy, right,
I'm a conservative Republican. But Reagan screwed up a lot.
He's screwed up mental health in this country. People don't
talk nearly enough about that screwed up amnesty thing.
Speaker 6: He really screwed up. Yeah, And people always say, well,
you know Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 8: You know, when they critics of Donald Trump will say, well,
look at how Reagan talked about immigration. Because of what
Ronald Reagan did at the nineteen eighty six amnesty, California
is now effectively permanently.
Speaker 6: Blue state except when Arnold won.
Speaker 8: But Arnold ran as a super moderate Republican. He was
a major celebrity, right, he was at the height of
his celebrity power. And he's still won barely, even though
California had been mismanaged. California is at one party state
because of Ronald Reagan's amnesty.
Speaker 7: And that's the fear, is that the entire country could
become one.
Speaker 6: The entire country becomes that now.
Speaker 8: It also you may not appreciate this, but even if
you don't give people the right to vote, it really distorts.
Speaker 6: Congressional apportionment and then the electoral college. You know how
this works? Yes, okay too, but so okay, so how
many you know?
Speaker 8: We have four hundred and thirty five congressional seats. Who
The way that you draw those congressional districts is that
you try to draw them evenly based on population, so
that everybody has equal representation. Right, one person, one vote,
fundamental principle of American law.
Speaker 6: But you don't just.
Speaker 8: Count the American citizens. You also count the illegalaliens. And so,
for example, the state of Ohio lost a congressional seat
in the last insists and states that have high illegal
immigrant populations picked up congressional seats. So you're actually taking
away congressional representation from American citizens and giving it to
illegal aliens. Even if you don't give them the right
to vote, you're still destroying the voting power of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is this is the one thing we talk
about if what if Texas turns blue? What happens? So
what was your take on that.
Speaker 2: This is a big deal? I mean one for millennials
at younger, the whole Reagan thing, you know, he's a
phantom of the past to us, but you know, destroying
the Reagan myth for gen X and older is really
really important. And the fact that Vance went after Reagan
like this on the on this fundamental issue is very important. Secondarily, though,
the census and apportionment of representatives. This is a big
deal because if the law can be changed, it can
be changed. If the law is changed such that illegals
no longer count toward the congressional representative total in an
individual state, that would greatly reduce the actual resistance to
deporting all of these people. Because obviously there's a racial
aspect to this, but there's also just a voting aspect
and if the Republican Party can succeed in removing illegals
from this population total, then there will be less resistance
in actually deporting them. Second, the next sense, this is
going to be in twenty thirty. So what is achieved
by a Republican administration in twenty twenty four to twenty
twenty eight is going to have a drastic effect on
the results of that census in twenty thirty. So if
they can reduce the immigrant population, if they reduce the
legal immigrant population so called legal like Dvance regards a
lot of them as illegal, as he's mentioned, And if
they can get rid of the counting of illegals towards
the House of Representatives, that would mean in twenty thirty
there would be an enormous shakeup in the in the
in the House of Representatives, a mass not just a shakeup,
but a massive shift towards the Republican Party to the
point where you know, they could control they would have
total control over over the House basically. And so yeah,
that's that's that's what's essential here. So this is sort
of set up for the post Trump era in twenty thirty.
If they can maintain the presidency, you know, maybe through vance,
who knows who would be the candidate. Right, This is
assuming things go well. But what he's talking about here
is a big deal because there's a lot more to
it than just the racial aspect. There's really turning the
tables on the Democrats. The Democrats are about to secure,
like you mentioned, with Texas, a permanent control over the House. However,
the Republicans can completely flip that by kneecapping them, by
getting rid of what I just described anyone else, I mean,
the fact that he's even saying that is I mean,
no Republican candidate outside of one tied to Trump would
even dream of even bringing up this idea of just
axing the illegals from the the population counts.
Speaker 4: This mark. What do you think? What did you have
a take on this whole thing?
Speaker 5: Well, I was just gonnay, you know, bring up another
question in terms of the mass deportation that they've talked about.
I mean, do you do you guys think this can
be done?
Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely, yes.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean I keep hearing these stories about how
in the late thirties and early forties, like millions and
millions of people were moved like an en mass by train.
We have technologies progressed, we could probably move twenty million
in a year if we wanted to. We just have
to want to. It's all about the will.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I just did you guys see sixty minutes. I
think it was over the weekend, And I saw a
clip where they had a family and the woman you
guys see that with her like her parents and her kids,
and some of them family members were there illegally and
she said she would leave with them, and it was
a whole sob story. And I just think, I'm my god,
when they as soon as they would start this, the
media would just literally blow this thing up, and the
backlash would be so huge that it just couldn't occur.
Speaker 4: Well. I mean, the question is is how much of
a mandate does Trump have when he wins. If he
has a mandate, he didn't shoot, He's he doesn't need
to look for reelection, right, So, and if he implements
even a fifth of the project. When we say project
twenty twenty five, we don't mean the project. We don't
mean the actual policy. We mean the five ring of
everyone in restaffing institutions. If he implements that, even a
small amount of that, he'll have an executive bureaucracy that
will absolutely carry out as marching orders. So it's you know, yeah,
the media backlash or not. I mean, shoot, he could,
he could. I mean, you know, he he could find
ways to hit them on FCC violations. It's however dirty
I want to say dirty, but it's however serious he
wants to get. He could completely affect this. It's a
perfect storm. It is. It is his deportation to screw up,
you know. But the resources are there. The Border Patrol
absolutely wants to run buck Wilde on these people, you know,
and the country is sick of it like this. This
could absolutely happen, you know, It's completely possible, even with
media counter signaling. What I'm worried about is the drastic
expansion of the H one B system. That's what I'm
worried about.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we're going to have to take what
we can get. If we get mass if we get
mass deportations, we should be happy with that. I mean,
I get it. I used to be a libertarian. I
want everything to be perfect. I want to be a purist,
but we're at this point. If we can get rid
of like thirty millions of forty million illegals that I
assume are probably here, and it's probably more than that,
then we take it. I mean, it's we don't have
that much control. They're you know, there's a promise out
there of deporting. Do I think it's going to happen.
I really don't know. It depends on the day ask me.
But yeah, I mean, we can worry about the the
increase in legal immigration. All we want when it comes
right down to it, all we can do is talk
about it. All we can do is try and influence people,
but not you know, not being willing to be excited
about getting rid of thirty or forty million because because
legal immigration may be increased. Well, I mean, what what
are we just supposed to say, throw up our hands
and say, oh, well, yeah, well it'screw it. They're they're
fucking up. Don't do anything.
Speaker 2: I mean, getting rid of illegals is pretty straightforward. It
will require cooperation from the Justice Department. But all you
really have to do is impose steep penalties on corporations regulations.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who was the labor attorney in California.
He actually was the house counsel for a bunch of
these companies that were housing illegals. He was on the
wrong side of this. He said. The way they made
it so that this could happen is by passing regulations
that allow it to happen. He said, all you need
is regulations to make it to you know, we're going
to take your company if you do this, it's all.
It always all comes back to will. If you want
to get rid of three or forty million illegals, it's will.
If you want to make sure that there's no more
legal immigration, it's will. That's all it is. It's just
a matter of will. The fact that you know, you
just have to ask who has the will to do this?
And if we want this thing to look more like
we want, we're going to have to get some our
guys in there. If these are the people who are
not going to be willing to do.
Speaker 2: It, yeah, So all you all would require is through
those new regulations is making an example of a few
selected corporations and utterly devastating those companies and everyone else
would get rid of the illegals real quick, all of
their payrolls, and once no one can hire them, they're gone.
Because these remember, these people are here, I will they
will just leave you if they can't make money here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's we've seen. We've seen en mass more
self deportation since this crisis has started than forced deportation.
So the way the way you do it is you
just make it impossible for them to survive here. And
like I said, that's just going to take someone with
the will to do it. So is there anything else?
Because if we don't think we need to hit some
super chats because we have a lot of them. No,
that's wrong, All right, let's all right, let's do it
all right, first super chat there Blearo three nine three
two dollars super chat. We need to become worthy of
the god Emperor Trump is right at the beginning of
this whole thing before we got all serious.
Speaker 4: No, he's become worthy of us. It's the other way around.
Speaker 1: That's for sure. Charles Carrol four ninety nine super Chat.
Happy Halloween's gent with a salute. Happy Halloween and tomorrow's
All Saints Day for those of us who are going
to mass Fritz Imperial three dollars super chat. Evening gents,
looking forward to seeing the OGC and Valley Forge this weekend. Yea,
if anybody's in that area, you can still get together
with the Delaware Crossing Society. Look them up on Twitter,
and I think it'll be a great event. I think Hunger,
who was just on my show, Hunger the Die Merchant,
who was just on my show this week, will be
when heading that up. Speaking of Hunger, ten dollars super chat,
that's my president. The optics are really pure Americana. Is
this the most culturally iconic election since Nixon Kennedy? What
do y'all think?
Speaker 4: I mean, I push it back, maybe even a little.
I'd say it's more important than Nixon Kennedy. It you know,
it beats Nixon Kennedy handily. I think. I don't know
if it's it's not it's not Lincoln Breckenridge Tier, it's
not it's not a Jackson Clay or it's not that Tier.
I don't think at least.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it probably probably like uh t r taft Wilson Tier.
Speaker 5: Maybe this this thing feels to me like uh, I
was talking to somebody about this today is like a
k fabe and like you couldn't come up with this
on Netflix? Where this is going and we still, you know,
even through next week, we still have a bonus season
of what's going to happen between November and January.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like.
Speaker 5: This is incredible. Like I I look at this and like,
maybe nothing will happen. Maybe it'll just be a landslide
and there'll be no black swans and you know, it'll
just be just smooth, or there could be some curveballs
coming down the pike that none of us see coming.
But it's like the anticipation every single day, like we're
counting down to Tuesday and that what from that moment on,
it's like the clock starts of what will occur each
and every day, and then hours in the.
Speaker 1: Day there may be chaos. You know, I think we
tend to forget because no one really talks about it anymore,
that there were two assassination attempts on Trump during this,
during this whole thing since July.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean then you look at oh, I just
say it, like with Kamala, this is what's crazy. People
are going to vote for her. They bypass the primary
and just installed her. They didn't even they didn't even
respect their own constituents to let them vote, and they
just put her in. It's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the interesting rubicon to cross if she
does win is the fact that she was functionally installed
without a primary whatsoever, which we all know happens. But
they have to put up the show, you know. That's
that's you know people talk about like, oh, you want
Trump to be Caesar. Well, the actual the one who's
legally closer to Caesar is is Kamala and that absolutely
will be a rubicon that you know, we will never
come back from.
Speaker 1: Oh I think at that point then the narrative quickly
switches to, you know, we we have an illegitimate government.
And I always said that after Jen six, when they
built the fence around the capitol, I wish they would
have kept it there and made it twenty feet high
because it would just show it just so much more
of a signal of how illegitimate these people are. You know,
it's amazing that a foreign power figured out all they
have to do is buy five hundred and thirty five people,
and you know they can basically do whatever they want
and command weapons and money for anything. So yeah, we
also have to remember Tim Kelly from the Our Interesting
Times podcast asked me this and this sounds like a
black bill, but he said, do elections matter when you
have an occupied government, it's not a bad question, all right.
Next super Chat DJ Cogdill down here in Alabama, he says,
I've been volunteering at a facility in North Carolina since
Monday and I'm leaving tomorrow. I'm very glad I was
able to come up here and help, and I owe
it to the OGC truly, thanks for setting up the
telegram chat for it.
Speaker 4: That's also beautiful enough just the way you are.
Speaker 3: You're beautiful, You're a star.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if you're involved in with the
Alabama Chapter, but Alabama is blowing up right now in
terms of well the sheer number of people interested in
the chapter, and there are may be a lot of
chapters spinning off in Alabama. So definitely reach out to
the new Magnolia League. Sorry, the Magnolia League if you
have not done, if you're not involved with them, they
wherever you are in Alabama, there may be a chapter
in your area very.
Speaker 1: Soon, very soon. And if you do reach out to
the Magnolia League and they don't get back to you immediately,
know that they've been contacted by about one hundred people
just just here in Alabama. Population five million. So yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and and and you know, mister Pete, I always
say this whenever we end up our episodes, as you know,
and on. If you are listening to this and you
haven't gotten involved yet, and you're listening to Pony Express
Radio each week and you haven't yet gotten involved with
the Old Glory Club, what are you doing? Like I
keep telling you all if you go listen to Pete shows,
I keep telling.
Speaker 1: All of you.
Speaker 4: Very soon the Old Glory Club will not be as
accessible as it is now in the sense that you
can come in and get in on the proverbial ground floor,
you know it. There will be a definite, a definitive
divide between the people who will come to us now
and in the near future and the people who will
come to us you know, a little bit later than that.
So you want to be one of the people who
gets in now before the door slam shut. That divides
you between the original you know. I don't want to
I don't want to use certain terms, but the the
the original gang, the original the original people, the well
we're the second founding now but you know, but but
there will be a huge stark difference between those who
were here for the second founding and those who will
be here for the third founding, and it's coming up
very close what that dividing mark will be. So get
involved now if you.
Speaker 2: Can, definitely, especially since you know, it's it's great that
we have one hundred people interested in Alabama, but this,
this organization isn't something especially as it grow, that you'll
just be able to walk into. You know, we're we're
far more interested in quality than quantity. Uh So there's
definitely reason to be one of the people who get
in early, especially because you'll be part of defining what
the organization is actually going to be. You know, what
we actually are is being defined by the people who
you know, we're brave enough basically to put skin in
the game and found these first few chapters and be
these chapters and actually do stuff or you know, do
like what what is DJ Cogdill said here and you know,
actually go to North Carolina like these are the people
actually defining who we are. So you really don't want
to miss out on that. And the the space to
be part of that second founding phase that we're in
now is rapidly closing. I mean, we are we are
spawning a lot of chapters now, and they're all quality chapters.
But once that's completed, you won't be able to be
part of that initial group.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it is important to bring up that
those hundred people, not all of them are going to
be accepted. So all right, next Superchat Matthew ivy five bucks,
and I just lost it, he said. I was watching
Tom Woods Dave Smith earlier. This was on Tom's show,
and every time they name off Trump cabinet, they leave
out advance Advan says, and in the cabinety's of VP.
Still don't understand why they hate him. I'm not going
to speculate. I do know that Dave Smith is friends
with Vivic, and I think Dave was hoping that Viveke
would be the VP. Maybe, but you know, it's hard
to get inside someone's head. I know both of them
inn but I haven't talked to them about this, so
I don't know. But Lal Bradley fifteen dollars super chat
says bonum DM abeus and best we can translate that is,
have a good day. Thank you for the super chat,
you too, Pete Budapest always here with us. Thank you
five dollars super chat says if Trump wins next week,
it will signal this for the left rebuked, not vanquished.
We we managed to We managed to wear them down
and not allow them to set the terms. Anybody have
anything on that.
Speaker 4: You spell? You spell where in this instance is W
E A R and not w R E Just for
for future reference, mister Budapest.
Speaker 1: All right, so next super chat five dollars, two tellos.
I've emailed the OGC email twice about Helene with no response.
How often is it checked? Is there someone I can
DM to get a quicker response? Anyone got that's all
the way down at the at the bottom.
Speaker 4: But so we have we have someone who checks the email.
Are first and foremost. If you haven't gotten a response,
I would ask you to This is we've run into
this issue before. People are sending emails to Old Glory
Club at gmail dot com. It is is actually the
Old Glory Club at gmail dot com.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: They look the same as the website, the old the
Old Glory Club at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so make sure that the that the word the
is included in the in the in the Gmail. But
there is a telegram group chat to telos. My DM
should be open on Twitter, and I should. If you
know me on Telegram, uh, you can hit me up there.
But if you reach out to me personally, I'm in
that group. I can give you that invite link if
you if IF and that's better than just emailing about
it because that group is where all the and and
this goes for anyone else too who's listening who wants
to get involved. If you don't want to email the
O g C, you can reach out to me personally
and I can provide you with the with the telegram
link for the group of people who are specifically involved
with Hurricane Helene response. So yes, my my dms are
open on Twitter and I'm available on Telegram. Just reach
out at your letter.
Speaker 1: All right? Next pressure evening salutes. What do you think
the odds are? Wins the popular vote, but Harris narrowly
sweeps the Rust Belt and wins two seventy electoral college
I would electoral votes.
Speaker 2: There's just no way. I don't I don't believe that
is possible short a massive amount of fortification.
Speaker 4: Michael, what you think.
Speaker 1: I mean? Do you see Michel do you see do
you see Ohio going to Kamala without any fortification.
Speaker 5: No, I mean Ohio will go Ohio go rad. I
mean Cleveland will go blue, Columbus will go blue, Cincinnatio
go blue.
Speaker 1: But this is Ohio.
Speaker 5: Arizona's what I'm worried about because that's where I live.
Butte you and I have been covered. We cover that
it'll it'll go blue because of Maricopa, A, Maricopa and Chema.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I also believe that no one has fixed
the problem with the with vote counting in everything the midterms.
Speaker 5: Did you see the ballots today? They're four pai.
Speaker 1: It's four pages long, Arizona.
Speaker 5: It's like a declaration of independence.
Speaker 1: I think that I think the declaration was shorter than that.
Speaker 5: They said that if you if you, it'll take you
thirty five minutes to get through it if you vote
every single thing on that four page ballot.
Speaker 1: All right, next, one seasider here every week ten dollars
super chat with us. So thank you, Seasider, We love you.
Two tailors five bucks found out over the weekend that
my cousin, who was pro BLM in twenty twenty is
voting Trump. We're winning and it's not even close. That's
quite a that's quite a jump. Sounds like somebody who
may be going to work for Christopher Ruffo Pete Budapest
ten dollars. Kamala's speech on the eclipse was like an
Irish wake, one last hurrah for the Democrat bureaucrat bureaucrat
class to bid final farewell to the two thousands before
Elon comes to town and trims the fat let that
sink in.
Speaker 2: Nice nice reference there, mister Budapest.
Speaker 1: Let's see, it's a I fucking rule for five dollars,
says Trump is the boss that comes down to the
job site and shakes dirty hands. Kamala, Joe and people
like them sit in their office and yell at their
staff to find out what the fuck's going on down
there about, right, chief slinging beef five bucks? Ah, Yes,
I'm so worried about the Puerto Rican vote. I'm gonna
win Florida and lose New York. So oh no, so importante.
Just got to say Pete was number one on JD
being one of us. We shall see.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I would call him one of
us per se, but no I wouldn't either. He's I'm
in regards to mister vance. I am backing the horse
called self interest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense, all right,
luth Empler are ten dollars. I don't know if it
was reported, but during un we Hunter and Joe visited
Mayor Adams. A few days later he was given charges.
I thought it was Biden and him arguing, but maybe
they were planning possible Pete Budapez ten dollars. Don't set
up debate tables at colleges, take over the university, don't
debate a nons online by the New York Times, don't
audit the Fed. Just take it over. Those are those
are goals. Those are definitely goals to tailors. Another five dollars.
We need the full take from Paul on one. Why
Virginia is going to flip.
Speaker 4: Well, it primarily comes down to what Glenn Youngkin has
been doing behind the scenes, you know, I mean he
has been crusading to clear as many and look, people
who live outside of Virginia or people who you know
are tangential to Virginia. They know about northern Virginia. They
talk about like, oh, Northern Virginia is going to have
too good of a turnout.
Speaker 3: No, what is it?
Speaker 4: They in Henriiko County, they were having in some jurisdictions
one hundred and ten percent, one hundred and twenty percent turnout.
It's not just in northern Virginia. Yes, Henriiko's a blue county. Uh,
Henriiko's north of Richmond. I made a joke actually when
I was living in Richmond, I said the you know,
the song Richmond north of Richmond was about Henriiko County.
But anyway, but the fact that Glenn Youngkin has been
going on such a state level crusade of taking off
all like voter registered like like if if I guarantee
you that the election workers that will be working in
in Virginia under the state Attorney General's office or the
Commonwealth Attorney General's office, forgive me, will things like one
hundred and twenty percent turnout will not fly all right,
it will not happen. And even even in places like
northern Virginia. Even in places like northern Virginia. Add to
this the fact that in the mountains of the west right,
you have a huge population of voters who just very
rarely vote because you know, they're closer to West Virginia
than anything, and they don't really care because none of
the state money ever comes to them. But they turned
out because of the guns issue, and that's why Youngkin
won in UH twenty twenty two. So frankly, I think
if Youngkin suppresses the democratic machine enough people talk about
all these Nova counties, it's very possible loud And will flip.
If Loudin flips and the West turns out, that state
goes to Trump, you know, especially if if Young Kin
is winning these little victories in little burroughs like Henriko County,
and Youngkin is an extremely competent administrator. I when you know,
I don't live in Virginia right now, but you know
when I saw I was living in Virginia under Young
Kin's administration, and it was night and day as to
how the bureaucracy function, like something as simple as the
DMV got flipped on its head. Young Kin knows what
he's doing. Young can in the private equity world, you
cannot be stupid, right, And he has the backing of
the military industrial complex, which is another part of this equation.
The military industrial complex, not all of it, obviously, but
a very good chunk of it believes that it is
a matter of national security for Trump to win, and
you know, they've started pursuing these various you know, they
used to be called sdis which are strategic defense initiatives,
but you know, amongst them one of the highest priorities.
This is why you hear Trump talking about his iron dome.
That's one of the top strategic priorities. George Bush was
talking about something like that, some kind of missile defense
as to you know in the early two thousands to Tilos.
You're really getting a lot out of your five dollars
right now.
Speaker 1: But he has multiple he has multiple super Yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's fair enough. I forgot about that, but yeah, no, absolutely,
but but yeah, And in essence, the military industrial complex
believes that it is a matter of national security that
Donald Trump must be elected and in order for them
to fulfill their sdis, which involve a massive reshoring of
industry in the United States. Frankly, the the defense contracting
is nowhere near as potent as it used to be
because everything is run by big firms. There are very
few small firms, which has killed innovation and productive capacity.
There's lots of things that need to happen, and all
of this centers around the state of Virginia. And you know,
I don't want to entertain the fact that I'm wrong,
because obviously I wouldn't have staked my faith and reputation
on it if I thought that I could be wrong.
I'm not going to even say that. I believe I'm right,
and it will be tested on election day. So that
is why I believe I am right.
Speaker 1: Alrighty, moving on hammering twenty dollars super chat. If Trump
makes it in and wants to have lasting impact, he
can't just swap out some staff members. He needs to
abolish or replace entire departments. Elon's experience in engineering and
startups can really help here. Salute one hundred percent agree.
Managerial state needs needs to be dismantled. All right, Read
Things you shouldn't with a fifty dollars super chat. I
think that we have some gold for him.
Speaker 4: This is gold, mister von. All my life, I've been
in love with its color. I welcome any enterprise that
will increase my stock.
Speaker 1: All right. Message here from read Things you shouldn't quote.
Duty is the most sublime word in our language. Do
your duty in all things. You cannot do more, You
should never wish to do less. General Robert E.
Speaker 5: Lee.
Speaker 1: Maybe one day be blessed with the leader the likes
of General Lee. Amen. Three dollars super chat from Mellon. Oh,
Mellon on the ground, need like three dudes to make
phone calls for the West North Carolina supply chain project,
potentially twenty five dollars an hour if you don't suck
DM at Melon the Giraffe on Twitter if you're interested,
and Melon's been doing great work up there, has any
guess absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of our regulars. So definitely hit up
Mellon on Twitter if you're interested, and like you said,
please like don't don't bother him if you're not committed
to what he's asking for, because the people on the
ground are very busy.
Speaker 1: Bilero three ninety three five dollars super chet. Jd Vance
what about legal immigration or was that too close to home?
Is jd Vance on the call? See on the panel?
Speaker 2: I mean Vance discussed, like I mentioned that a lot
of the immigrants who are considered legal were illegally made legal.
So you know, clearly he's not entirely restricted to what
we now define as illegal immigrants.
Speaker 4: Yep, the horse called self interest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once again that It's like, it's kind of just
an irrelevant question really, because the horse called self interest.
Speaker 4: You know, look, I like jd Vance the same reason
that I like King Jayhu in the Bible. Right, you know,
I like King jay Who not because he was like
great and like worthy in the eyes of the Lord,
but because he just killed all the priests of Ball.
That's what he did. He wasn't a good man, right,
Trump used him or not?
Speaker 1: Trump? Trump?
Speaker 4: Sorry, God used it. You all call him the God Emperor,
and that fringing hacks me bringing you know, the God
used Jayhu right to kill all of the priests of
Ball to to clean up Israel a little bit. And
jay Who wasn't a good man. That's why I like
jd Vance. I don't feel this need to like say
that he's one of us. I don't feel this need
to go around and be like, oh, guys, look, it's
he's a he's a he's just like me. He was
an emo and or it's pathetic. I don't care. Jd
Vance is married to an Indian woman while being a Catholic,
and you know, he invokes the name of Christ while
going against his commandments. And I know we all do
that I understand, we all do that, but that doesn't
alleviate it, right and it it frankly, you don't. You
need to demand more of your leaders, all of you.
I get it. We have to take what we can get.
But in your own minds and in your own principles, right,
you accept the leaders you're given, but you you, you
need to. You need to start expecting more, you know,
because if you don't, we're never gonna get any You
know that fifty dollars super chat. You know, May God
bless us with a leader the likes of the likes
of Roberty Lee one day. You're not gonna get a
leader the likes of Roberty Lee until you start demanding
more of your leaders. And you need to demand someone
better than Jdvans. Jdvance is the best we got right now,
and that is terrible. We're never gonna pull ourselves out
of this, out of this like you know dark age
that we have been in since the Clinton administration, since
since since yeah, since the Clinton administration, We're never gonna
pull ourselves out of it, you know, I mean, And
not to say Reagan was any better, right, you know,
wherever you land your yardstick We're never going to pull
ourselves out of it until you start demanding more of
your leaders.
Speaker 1: That's it. Balero three ninety three, other super Chat five dollars.
I agree, you get excited about legals going home, but
never settle. We should learn from the left to never
get satisfied with what politicians give.
Speaker 4: Case in point almost you know, a complete reinforcement of
what I just said.
Speaker 5: And also that's why we're in this semess to begin with. Right,
the right is always compromised, always compromising, accepting things that
we just shouldn't accept.
Speaker 1: To add to that last statement, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Our Sacario Review comes out tomorrow, Right, is that right?
Speaker 1: I don't know, do you know, Charlie, I'm pretty.
Speaker 2: Sure because it's the last Friday before the election. So yeah,
we recorded that. Yeah, I'm not the editor. I'm not
scheduling these things, okay, But you know the reason I
mentioned that, it's just because it's like it doesn't matter
like how many pictures of you know, brown people crying
they show us. It's like, the things that have to
get done need to be done, and we need to
demand of our leaders that they do them. And I
don't care how many brown people get their feelings hurt.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you know, fight out a super chat, Pete Budapest. Hey,
look on the bright side, this time next week, it'll
be totally acceptable to question election results again hashtag TBT.
Let's see screwed up rebellion five dollars salute and God
bless the boys. Thank you screwed up rebellion Lerro three
ninety three again, fight out a super chat. Rough estimated
time of new chapter acceptance asking for my friends in
the typical Cane Society.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, it just depends on how quickly you incorporate.
If you said us, what is it if you send
us a document, a chapter application document of you know,
the five people, and we deem it as a sufficient
amount of backstory and we don't have any objections with
any of the personnel you put forward. You know, at
that point, it's it's up to you. It's however fast
you can get incorporated. Once you send your incorporation docs
over to us, we will vote on you that next tuesday.
You know, it's it's it's maybe the L and L
will discuss it. The committee that we have for the
discussion of chapter formation. Maybe maybe we'll discuss it and
it'll take two weeks, but you know that next Tuesday.
Usually if you once you sent once you incorporate and
send in your incorporation documents and it's done the right way,
which we will happily meet with you to discuss the
right way for it. But it's not super complicated. It's
just a state nonprofit, right, that's all it is. Freaking
So basically, in a short version of what I'm saying,
a week if as soon as you get your incorporation
documents done and you get incorporated in the state, a
week maybe.
Speaker 2: Two, Yes, if we like you. And one of the
most important parts is filling out the bio section, uh extensive.
Speaker 4: Fill out your bios please.
Speaker 2: We've you've gotten some short ones. We've kind of let
them slide because there's already known people, but not we're
not doing that anymore. Fill out the bios. It's not
a meme, you know.
Speaker 4: And if you were, if you were involved in some
stuff that maybe you don't want to you know, you're
you're not to tell us. Worst we can say is no,
And it's not hard feelings, but it's just how it is.
But like we're tolerant because we have to be of
that sort of thing, you know, but we just we
want to know about it, right And if you just
if you write us like a two sentence bio, we're
just going to send it back and be like, come
back when you're serious, you know, So keep this in mind,
be serious with us.
Speaker 1: We'll be serious with you. Yeah, we might even ask
for a picture so we can do a physiogamy check
fight dollar super chat from Filosmiscelani, who's going to be
at the Portland event with some of our friends this weekend.
So as much love to Pete Q. Just tuning in
now and extremely hype for the election. Looking forward to
your next book reviews. Thanks man, it's actually texting me
during the while we were doing this. I fucking rule
ten dollars super chat. Good show tonight, Ohio folks, get
at us to Telos ten dollars to compensate for the
long response. Christ is King awesome fight our super chat
from Yeha yenz er salute and last one before we
move on, King Shoshan five dollars. The only river to
the sea I care about is Virginia from the Ohio
to the Atlantic. Pity about Fairfax.
Speaker 4: Though indeed it is.
Speaker 1: It is it is.
Speaker 4: It's very much a pity that Fairfax County exists.
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the next subject, which
is let's talk about Ukraine. And might just want to
throw this one over to Charlie because I'm sure he's
been all over this one so it looks like you
what you want to talk about this? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, I was just gonna say, we're two hours in,
so we'll just be quick with it. But just a
quick little Ukraine War update since you know, serious things
might be happening in regard to the next administration coming
in in less than a week effectively, so it's worth
understanding where we're at in the conflict. So here's here's
like a map of territorial gains by each side over
the last two years, so as you can see, and
of course this is not including Kursk, as that is
not the primary theater of operations, and even if you
do include that, it doesn't actually fully offset the Russian games.
But as you can see the amount of physical territory
Russia has been getting in Ukraine is rising sharply as
the Ukrainian military deteriorates both in its manpower capacity, artillery capacity,
its electronic warfare capacity, all of that, and it will
be interesting to see where this trend line goes over
the winter, if it slows down, if it reverses a
little bit. But the way things are going now, although
this has mostly been a war of attrition, as you
can see over the last year, Ukrainians basically are totally
unable of mounting of fences at this point, and the
war has actually moved back into a phase of a
war of movement and Russian campaigns are now being conducted
with multiple armies or army groups, depending on what you
want to call them, but they have groupings of brigades
that are operating on a level where the entire towns
or cities are being now enveloped double envelopments, close to
encircled in some cases, and they capture these things intact,
Ukrainians just have to retreat. So we're getting to the
point where looking at the territorial gains is starting to
matter again. And to me, what it looks like what's
happening is in the the Netsko Blast in particular, Russia
is probably trying to secure as much physical territory as
they can before Trump is inaugurated and negotiations starting to
start get really serious, because I think the Russians want
to establish a baseline of the four oh West they annexed,
and I expect we're going to see in the winter,
when it's harder for the Ukrainians to move, they're gonna
get absolutely bombed the hell by the Russian Air Force
and their fab glided bombs, and that could really tip
the scales, because if the Russians are able to significantly
attrit Ukrainians in the winter, or even just keep moving
at this pace, once the campaign season returns in twenty
twenty five, it's definitely going to be over. The Ukrainians
are talking about having to defend the nepro Oblast. Now Here,
we're looking at southern to Netskin. After the fall of Abdievka,
you can see the front line start moving again, and
as this clip moves forward, you will see the pace
starts quickening, and towards the very end of this gift,
it goes really fast, especially in the south, and it's
actually continuing at that rate. So basically we're in a
new phase of the war and we may be reaching
the end phase. There's a good chance we'll see an
end of the war in twenty twenty five for one
reason or another after Trump is inaugurated. So that's really
the only thing I wanted to say say here. It's
certainly interesting from a military perspective seeing the stalemate broken
and movement happening again, the likes of which, as that
graft showed, the Russians have not gained this much territory
since July twenty twenty two, when the war was still
in its early stages and the lines had not solidified yet.
Speaker 1: So that's it. Yeah, this is a this is a
war that Russia could have. This could have been over
very early if they had taken this kind of taken
this kind of attack. But some of the telegrams ch
some of the telegram channels that I follow, are just
like every ten minutes, Russia has taken this spot, Russia's
taken this spot. Russia's taken this spot. I think you're
one hundred percent right. They're getting as much as they
can to have as much negotiat as much negotiating power
as they can with this new with the which what
I believe is going to be the new regime that's
coming in. And as I said earlier, I actually think
that this, they'll probably negotiate it even before inauguration day.
So yeah, it's just wild to see. This is something
that there was peace talk. There were peace talks on
the table in April of twenty twenty two. This could
have been ended, and this horrible, horrible occupation regime wanted
us to keep going and hopefully we'll get to the
end of this very soon. Well, let's finish us up
with We've been going close to two hours. Now, let's
finish us up talking about bricks, because bricks is another
part of this. It seems that more and more countries
are signing on to bricks. They're rolling out their new
what could possibly be their currency, which god that looks awful.
But you know, one of the things that just throw
one of the things out there is that Russia and
North Korea have signed a treaty to you know, basically
like almost like a NATO kind of treaty where if
someone attasked you, well find it's.
Speaker 2: A mutual defense treaty. Yeah, this is a massive l
for the West because Trump was really normalizing relations with
North Korea and now that path's basically been cut off
because North Korea has a mutual Defense treaty with Russia,
and like what is the point of this? Like what
what what gain does Russia have from this? I mean
basically what they're saying is they're they're cutting North Korea
off from ever being rejoined with South Korea or color
Revolution or something like that. They're saying, your your this
is our sphere. You're staying out of it. So it
relates to bricks because there's a much more like this.
That treaty is very material, right, it's not, it's not
phantasmal or something. So there's the the lines for the
basically globalist versus anti globalist countries are being drawn ever
more clearly in the sand. Now this this picture here
of Putin holding this proposed like bricks Banknote, it's just
a it's just a design proposal. There's not even an
agreement yet on whether any future bricks currency would be
based on gold or some other means. So it's it's
just an idea that's out there. The fact that the
idea is being floated as significant. And obviously, as has
been pointed out, the bricks countries combined do not have
anywhere near the financial buying power of the American dollar.
But That's also kind of beside the point, because yes,
the United States has access to far more financial power
than basically the rest of the world combined, but that
only goes so far because some things just aren't for sale.
It doesn't matter if the United States can amass more
money and buying power than every other country in the world.
If all the other countries or a significant proportion of
them have alliance to set up so that they can
get what they need without the Americans. And you know,
how much how much would it cost to purchase Russia
from Putin or Syria from Asad. It's like, at some
point it doesn't matter how much money America has. You
can only buy things that are for sale, and not
everything is actually for sale, so things like this are not.
People make the mistake of making like a one to
one comparison between a bricks currency and the dollar, and
like that's not the point. It's like they're not gonna
outcompete the dollar and like outspend us. The point is
separating themselves from caring about dollars because you know, as
we talked about earlier, they may have the money printer
America may have. You know, the vast majority of the
world's paper money. But you can only buy things that
are for sale, and the guy on the screen right
now is not for sale, not to the Americans.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And if anything, it's it's symbolic. It's it's saying
we're we're not going to be under your thumb ever again,
or you know, or come to the table. Yeah. And
I think that's one of the things that if you
do have a Trump presidency and you do have someone
like Elon musk and there or Howard Lutnick, all these
people who are surrounding him, they will These are people
who want to make money and trading, having trading, real
trading partners, you know, not secondary trading partner, is not
you know, you're you know, you're you're below us in
this relationship would be something that we could possibly see.
And to set something up like that, first of all,
you're probably they're going to try to kill you if
you do that. But if you can set something up
like that, you are like you are marking out the
future and you're looking at more you're looking at more peace,
and then you can deal with the real rogue states.
And at that point, someone like Russia will help you
deal with the with the rogue states that you're dealing with,
because they deal with a lot, They deal with a
lot of those states, but and they support a lot
of those states. But again, it comes down to this
occupation regime that has taken over the West and is
their power diminishing? And I think that's probably the biggest
question that we can ask with this.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I should also mentioned on the North Korea thing,
there's been talk about North Korean troops being deployed in
the war. It may be possible that North Korean troops
are deployed in Kursk on Russian territory. The invasion of
Kursk was declared a terror operation, which has allowed the
Russian state to deploy police forces and things like that,
and deploying North Korean forces within Russian borders, you know,
internationally recognized Russian borders would not violate any international laws
quote unquote, so it wouldn't cause any problems that don't
already exist. But importantly, one of the things I've hammered
on throughout this whole war, and you know, the Russian
army in twenty twenty two far less competent than they
are now. You know, the main issue for the West
in this war is the Russians now have almost three
years of fifth generation warfare combat experience and have become
quite competent at it and are deploying new technologies. And
the North Koreans getting any battle experience at all against
a modern army is huge because that experience goes much
further than training operations or theory can go. Getting live
fire exercise like that is critical. So if North Korean
troops are deployed in Kursk in any capacity, that's a
huge benefit to that state. And it's also just where
it's commenting that, you know, there are these countries that
are that have pretty tight relationships with Russia now around
being another one of them. They have the missile technology,
North Korea has the atomic technology. You know, it's not
hard to see places where these sort of relationships could go,
especially in relation to those those power brokers that are
losing their power. You talked about Pete well.
Speaker 1: In relation to the North Korean troops and Kursk. From
everything I heard on judgment of Polaitano this week, I
can't remember if it was mehr Scheimer, if it was Freeman,
or if it was McGregor. They were saying that they
were nowhere near cursed. They were saying that they were
in the east, the far east part of the country.
Speaker 2: That yes, so far everything i've all the evidence points
to they have not been deployed in curse. But it
could be done, and it, you know, should be totally
fine in terms of its rampifications for uh, you know,
international relations. But yes, it has as far as I know,
this has not happened, and it's entirely rumor.
Speaker 1: Now I would like to remind everybody that, you know,
what Zach Frisby said here in the chat, no Korean,
and I will add or Russian has ever called me
a gooy. So well, I think if any if nobody
else has anything on Ukraine, Russia and this total debacle,
two and a half year long debacle, that we're going
to wrap it up. Anybody got anything, All right, let's
do it. Let's go around the horn. Charlie, what do
you got?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we should have the Sacario review coming out
as a podcast tomorrow on our sub stack. That was
that was pretty fun, So definitely, you know, if you've
seen the movie, it was a I think it's an
enjoyable review. If you haven't seen the movie, I mean,
it's a total must watch for our guys, So watch
it tonight and then watch the review tomorrow if you
haven't seen it. But yeah, that's all I'll show for now.
Speaker 1: All right, Paul, what do you got?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 4: I'm doing an interesting series on Golden Air of Spain
and the various surrounding threads of history that lead into
Golden Air of Spain on one Pete Kenyonas's channel, So
if you all are interested in hearing about that, we
just recorded an episode I think last night or two
nights ago, and that will be up soon. So keeping
keep continue watching that ongoing series and once you're done
watching the old Glory Club stuff, go watch everything Pete
has to offer.
Speaker 1: Well, that'll be coming out on election day, so look
for that while you're while you're waiting for the polls
to come in, you can listen to an hour on
some Golden Age Spain and Michael plug whatever you got.
Speaker 5: So my podcast is called Coffee and a Mike m
I k E. You can find that Coffee Atomike dot com, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook.
Put two episodes up yesterday, one with em Berlin Game.
Another one was a joint conversation with David Dave Column
and James Howard Kuntler have had Pete on several times. Tomorrow,
I'm talking to Anne Vandersteele and hopefully November David Rogers, Web,
Tom Lawago probably back, Matt Brack, and Michael Yahn. So
I appreciate you guys inviting me to participate tonight, So
thank you.
Speaker 1: I will say this about Mike having someone like myself
and having dark Enlightenment on, it's huge because he has
an audience that we wouldn't normally be able to, uh
to speak to. And just if you go down and
look at he it's a widespread of people that he
talks to, probably some of the most diverse, one of
the most diverse crowds of people he talks to. His
His podcast is you Never Know who You're gonna get.
And I think that's great because there's enough podcasts out
there that are very niche and very concentrated in one
area and Michael's all over the place. So definitely definitely
go over and check out coffee and a Mike. And
that's it for Pony Express Radio. We will see you
next week. Take care,