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<v Speaker 1>PAY six thirty I FIFY five KRCD talk station. Very

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<v Speaker 1>happy Thursday to you and a welcome back to Dan

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<v Speaker 1>Hill's former FOP president of the City of Cincinnati Police Department.

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<v Speaker 1>He is wearing today his frontline advisors had and speaking

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of the problems the Fairfield Police Department has.

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<v Speaker 1>Having Welcome back to the program. Dan, It's a pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to have you on, Brian. You know, the pleasure is

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<v Speaker 1>always mine. Always enjoyed being on with you and your audience. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that, and it's good to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's good to put Fairfield on the map. As

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<v Speaker 1>you point out in your statement from frontline advisors, quite

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<v Speaker 1>often overlooked Fairfield is, you know, between city of Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 1>which gets some reporting in Dayton, lots going on in Fairfield.

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<v Speaker 1>But before we dive into the situation they're facing with

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<v Speaker 1>the police department there, why don't you remind my listeners

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<v Speaker 1>what frontline advisors and you do.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we represent police and corrections units. I'm not really

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<v Speaker 4>a company the one can't reveal that one yet. And

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<v Speaker 4>also lots of individual officers who maybe don't feel satisfied.

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<v Speaker 5>With something their.

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<v Speaker 4>Current counsel or representation doing come to frontline and frontline attorney.

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<v Speaker 4>So we represent cops and uh, that's what uh, that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I was doing with the FOP, and I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to keep on doing it, and I hooked up with

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<v Speaker 4>the right lawyers, uh, folks who really do care about

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<v Speaker 4>the police officers they represent and go the extra mile.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's kind of what experience.

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<v Speaker 4>And we haven't even like ever got real proactive in

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<v Speaker 4>our sales.

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<v Speaker 5>We just kind of picking up agencies as they come

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<v Speaker 5>to us.

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<v Speaker 4>And then, like I said, lots and lots of individual

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<v Speaker 4>officers who find that they haven't been represented properly find

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<v Speaker 4>their find their way to our doors. We got an

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<v Speaker 4>office in Montgomery and an office down in Tendagon close

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<v Speaker 4>to downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>And you got a website because there's an officer out

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<v Speaker 1>there going, hey, I need them.

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<v Speaker 5>We sure do.

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<v Speaker 4>You'll find you'll you'll find us at Frontline Advisors. I

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<v Speaker 4>believe it's LLC doctor I.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll send out to you.

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<v Speaker 4>How about that. I can make sure that that's right.

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<v Speaker 4>But yes, that there is a there is a website

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll forward it.

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<v Speaker 5>To you in jail.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, something you should put the memory there, Dan.

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<v Speaker 4>Hills gonna give me in trouble with all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Not giving you any more craft. Let's move on to Fairfield.

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<v Speaker 1>You are speaking on behalf of Fairfield, which I guess

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<v Speaker 1>they're in the middle of negotiation. So let's tart about

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<v Speaker 1>talk about briefly about what's going on in Fairfield up

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<v Speaker 1>to now when before we dive into the what the

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<v Speaker 1>stall is with the negotiations with the police department. I

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<v Speaker 1>understand that demographics have changed a lot and maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>more criminal activity, but let my listeners know about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, they have apartment complexes where you know,

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<v Speaker 4>not to do the the immigration thing, but that's what's

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<v Speaker 4>happened up there. There's apartment complexes that are just full

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<v Speaker 4>of immigrants. I don't know what percentage of them are

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<v Speaker 4>legal and which percentages are illegal, but they got a

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<v Speaker 4>lot happening, a lot moving up there. I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>they're doing big city police for in a little town.

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<v Speaker 2>And then back to what.

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<v Speaker 4>I said in my statement, they're kind of lost in

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<v Speaker 4>between Dayton and Cincinnati when it comes to folks paying

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<v Speaker 4>them attention. And we've had the contract of Fairfield for

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<v Speaker 4>I think a little better than a year now, and

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<v Speaker 4>the whole thing just always came across from me. Is

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<v Speaker 4>just kind of weird how their morale was and where

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<v Speaker 4>they were and I'm thinking, you know, departments got nice,

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<v Speaker 4>nice complex that they work out of and stuff. They're

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<v Speaker 4>definitely do a pay raise, there's no doubt about that,

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<v Speaker 4>but there could be worse out there. But this healthcare thing,

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<v Speaker 4>and this is when I thought I might want to

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<v Speaker 4>talk to you because it's so bizarre. I've never seen

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<v Speaker 4>officers or employees.

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<v Speaker 5>Treated like this with health care before.

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<v Speaker 4>They don't know when they go to the doctor, or

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<v Speaker 4>their kid goes a doctor, or their wife goes a doctor,

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<v Speaker 4>what portion of the bill they're going to get, and

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<v Speaker 4>they don't seem to have any goal and they be

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<v Speaker 4>in the City of Fairfield of making that any better.

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<v Speaker 4>There has been a constant over the last three to

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<v Speaker 4>five years struggle and it even has been in the

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<v Speaker 4>courts too, about this health insured fund that they had.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was worth like four million dollars and

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<v Speaker 4>because they had multiple unit unions all buying into this fund,

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<v Speaker 4>and then they wanted to move away from the self

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<v Speaker 4>insured model and have them all go to something called

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<v Speaker 4>b hip by our Health Initiative plan and they told them, look,

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<v Speaker 4>it'll never raise more than two percent a year. But

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<v Speaker 4>still going into something not knowing what you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>pay when you go to the doctor is not something

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<v Speaker 4>I've ever experienced before as a civil servant. I knew

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<v Speaker 4>what our you know, I always knew what our out

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<v Speaker 4>of pocket was, out of pocket max or individual, how

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<v Speaker 4>much I was going to have to pay for scripts,

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<v Speaker 4>how much maximum per individual I had, and how much

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<v Speaker 4>maximum I had for family. It's all a mystery for them.

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<v Speaker 4>What's It's like they need a Wiji board to determine

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<v Speaker 4>what they're going to pay for healthcare. And so they

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<v Speaker 4>told them listen, listen, you guys, you'll never see more

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<v Speaker 4>in a two percent race. They're okay, all right, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>And so that first the first year was like eight percent.

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<v Speaker 4>The year following it was seventeen percent. Now I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>real good with math, but that's a lot more than

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<v Speaker 4>two percent. Like it went up like twenty five percent.

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<v Speaker 4>So their healthcare is skyrocketing. And then are trying to

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<v Speaker 4>negotiate with these police officers saying, hey, you know, how

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<v Speaker 4>much of a pay raise is going to make you satisfied?

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<v Speaker 4>And like every other municipality, they always start off with

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<v Speaker 4>a flight well a real low percent, real real low

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<v Speaker 4>percent of what they're offering. And at the same time

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<v Speaker 4>they're telling that they're they're telling them that, well, your

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<v Speaker 4>your health insurance is still going to be this mystery,

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<v Speaker 4>and so it put them in a spot there.

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<v Speaker 5>I was thinking that this was this was my days

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<v Speaker 5>back with the city.

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<v Speaker 4>I would have been all over the medium social media,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, letting people know. I didn't know how this

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<v Speaker 4>is going to work with Like I said, of smaller town,

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<v Speaker 4>it's in between media, ken Ken, we put some pressure

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<v Speaker 4>on a smaller municipality to kind of wake up because

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if all their their council members or

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<v Speaker 4>whatever realize the moralesh isay, which that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The okay point I did want to get. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about healthcare. Let's pause from them. We'll bring you back

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<v Speaker 1>to talk a little bit more about that amount of

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<v Speaker 1>time in the segment. So we'll bring Dan Hills back

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<v Speaker 1>to elaborate a little bit more on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 3>the talk station.

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<v Speaker 1>TAX forty one fifty five KERC decalk station. Brian Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>with Dan Hills Front Lines and the Frontline Advisors advocates

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<v Speaker 1>on behalf of police officers and police departments and his

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<v Speaker 1>subject Metter today Fairfield Police Department struggling with healthcare. But

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<v Speaker 1>I guess when you're talking about negotiating salary, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>operate in a factual vacuum.

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<v Speaker 4>Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't how much money is going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to your healthcare, how can you possibly negotiate a salary, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that like part of the problem with this if

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<v Speaker 1>you don't mean that the price of medical insurance keeps

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<v Speaker 1>going up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Brian, And that's why I decided I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>speak publicly about it, is because I've never seen anybody

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<v Speaker 4>being so restricted and being able to negotiate fairly because they.

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<v Speaker 5>Have no idea.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm going to talk about the officers that have left,

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<v Speaker 4>the experience that has left before I say that, Brian,

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<v Speaker 2>All one word and advisor with it. That would.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to get out of here with not

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<v Speaker 4>Back anyway, So no, like I said, this is unique.

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<v Speaker 4>I've you know, started negotiating contracts back with the city.

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<v Speaker 4>We're talking, you know, good piece over a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, siations are tough. They're going to be tough.

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<v Speaker 5>That's you.

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<v Speaker 4>You got two sides that will each want to get

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<v Speaker 4>to a different point. But you know these are these

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<v Speaker 4>are a quality bunch of officers up there in Fairfield.

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<v Speaker 4>Really meet bunch of guys and gals. And and again

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<v Speaker 4>when we took over, like I did, what was going

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<v Speaker 4>on with them around out there? And why so many

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<v Speaker 4>are leaving? In two years twenty five percent of their

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<v Speaker 4>folks have gotten out normal retirements and they've been hiring

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<v Speaker 4>them on as click for now as as pretty much

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<v Speaker 4>as they're leading, but they've lost so much experience. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>unofficial why are you leaving? And like nine or ten

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<v Speaker 4>have left for other agencies so they weren't done with

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<v Speaker 5>Are like I just I love.

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<v Speaker 4>Being a policeman, but I can't be a policeman here

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<v Speaker 4>in Fairfield anymore. And some of it's time to the

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<v Speaker 4>self insurance insurance ers of this unofficial survey that was

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<v Speaker 4>taking one one person or I need to know. I

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<v Speaker 4>half of my life and I just don't know, uh

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<v Speaker 4>as a Fairfield police officer, what I'm going to have.

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<v Speaker 5>We have they have.

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<v Speaker 4>They have a couple of officers who were tempted to

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<v Speaker 4>go to Fairfield because they were lived and grew up

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<v Speaker 4>in the area, and they came from other agencies and

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<v Speaker 4>they came there and they worked here for six months

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<v Speaker 4>or so and said nne, no thanks, and they went

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<v Speaker 4>back to the you know, luckily for them there the

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<v Speaker 4>originally the original agency took them back. So there is

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<v Speaker 4>there is a dysfunction there. The thing that I noticed

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<v Speaker 4>is you have a chief and three assistants who are

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<v Speaker 4>not in the bargain union, and then they have nothing

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<v Speaker 4>else in between all the way down to sergeants.

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<v Speaker 5>So it's kind of like an US and them.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing, and it comes out and things like, uh, pursuit policies.

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<v Speaker 4>Now everybody's rethinking pursuits, and they should be. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>it's a changing way of policing. But you have other

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<v Speaker 4>commun unities that border them that are having pursuits that

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<v Speaker 4>go into Fairfield. You have, Fairfield's a big area geographically,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's a lot going on, and another community will

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<v Speaker 4>have a pursuit going into Fairfield and they're just not

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<v Speaker 4>even allowed to help them. They're not allowed for oup stopsticks.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not allowed to do anything. And you knows most

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<v Speaker 4>agencies pursue policies while they are changing, they're not wholesale.

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<v Speaker 4>Just you better stay out of them, especially when you

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<v Speaker 4>consider other communities and they're them looking from support for

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<v Speaker 4>your department. But when you're talking about that amount of

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<v Speaker 4>senuity drained from your agency, it's a matter of time

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<v Speaker 4>until something will happen, and then the administrators and fail

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<v Speaker 4>fair Will are going to throw out their hands and say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>we have no we had no.

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<v Speaker 5>Idea that this was going on.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's where I kind of come in here and say, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you've been put on notice officially now publicly that there's

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<v Speaker 4>some there's some issues they and that your employees, your

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<v Speaker 4>police officers, especially in this time where it's getting so competitive,

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<v Speaker 4>people are all trying to grab up the really qualified

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<v Speaker 4>police officers that are out there and people who want

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<v Speaker 4>to be in that.

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<v Speaker 5>Work that are out there.

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was really kind of disappointing since we

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<v Speaker 4>took over Fairfield to see where they're headed, where they are,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's why.

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<v Speaker 5>I decided to bring a little public attention to it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm happy to serve and serve you in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just you know, it's a fundamental principle of fairness here.

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<v Speaker 1>How can you negotiate any factual vacuum. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you can say, well, we're going to give the officers

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<v Speaker 1>and x percent raise and then you know, not tell

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<v Speaker 1>them that, oh, by the way, that's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>eradicated because the cost of medical insurance is going to

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<v Speaker 1>go up by twenty five percent or something. That's just unconscionable.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't understand has any motive or reason been

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<v Speaker 1>expressed to you or any of the officers as to

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<v Speaker 1>why they're hiding the ball on what their benefits are.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, normally you get a policy, an insurance policy,

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<v Speaker 1>and it says you're responsible for out of pocket at

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<v Speaker 1>so you're responsible for the copay of this amount twenty

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<v Speaker 1>percent or five percent whatever. The terms of condition are

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<v Speaker 1>spelled out very clearly. You know what's covered and you

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<v Speaker 1>know what's not.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's just.

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<v Speaker 1>Just basic fundamental principles of fairness and knowledge and information

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<v Speaker 1>so you can make informed decisions.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, some of it's historical, and it leaves me if

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<v Speaker 4>my eyes werell on in the back of my hand

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<v Speaker 4>trying to understand it all. They had what they called

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<v Speaker 4>a healthcare committee. And this thing's going on like twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years ago now, so it was self insured, a fire union,

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<v Speaker 4>the police union, Stanitation, all their people all kind of

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<v Speaker 4>came together and they put all this money into a

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<v Speaker 4>pool and from that they were able to, I guess

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<v Speaker 4>at one time have healthcare costs that were reasonable. And

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<v Speaker 4>the committee was actually members of these different unions would

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<v Speaker 4>sit down and go, all right, here's what we need

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<v Speaker 4>to do to keep our self assured account sustainable and healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>Right right right.

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<v Speaker 4>But as they wanted to move away from this all

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<v Speaker 4>they be in the city of Fairfield. Uh, in the

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<v Speaker 4>last it's been three or five years. They said they

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<v Speaker 4>would they would have a committee meeting schedule to they cancelor.

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<v Speaker 4>They have committee meetings schedule, they cancelor. And then one

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<v Speaker 4>by one they're picking off the unions and saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>let's go over this Butler Health Initiative plan that has

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<v Speaker 4>this kind of rolling thing where they don't they don't

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<v Speaker 4>know for sure what it is they're going to pay.

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<v Speaker 4>So they've picked off the other unions and must the

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<v Speaker 4>police union kind of standing there alone. And there there

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<v Speaker 4>has been court actions lawsuits about this this big sum

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<v Speaker 4>of money, because who owns this money? Who does this

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<v Speaker 4>money belong to? Now always been siphoned off union's union

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<v Speaker 4>members and again all the unions and their paychecks, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think they still have, like the city of Fairfield

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<v Speaker 4>still has like four million dollars sitting in this cantal

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<v Speaker 4>health care.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if self insured plans got to have terms and conditions,

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<v Speaker 1>it can't just be arbitrarily decided on a case by

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<v Speaker 1>case basis what is covered and what is not. That's

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<v Speaker 1>the mystery that I'm I'm dealing with here because I do.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's that's the part that's got these people so

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<v Speaker 4>so miffed. I guess to the fact they did have

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<v Speaker 4>their hands involved through these committees, but now they're pressuring

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<v Speaker 4>them out of that and into this Butler Health Initiative

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<v Speaker 4>plan with again, it doesn't it doesn't always define where

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to be from year to year. So they're

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<v Speaker 4>they're they're they're really at a point of no return

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<v Speaker 4>that if things don't get better in this negotiation or whatever,

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<v Speaker 4>the people of Fairfield are going to be losing more

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<v Speaker 4>and more of their experienced officers. And then therefore it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to change the pool of which of of employees

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<v Speaker 4>that they can attract it right, and again that's why

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<v Speaker 4>that's why front Line Advisors, which you can find on

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<v Speaker 4>the WEFT site at front Line Advisers.

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<v Speaker 2>L dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah advises LLC dot com reach Dan and the crew

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<v Speaker 1>to help you out with these issues. Well, I appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>you raising it's everybody's attention and putting Fairfield on the map.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously there's a problem there. They can't afford to lose

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<v Speaker 1>any more officers of twenty five percent of the police

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<v Speaker 1>force left over the past couple of years. Retaining good

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<v Speaker 1>talent important for proper police work to be done. And

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<v Speaker 1>of course you've got a challenging environment out there with

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<v Speaker 1>all these different police departments fighting over a shrinking number

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<v Speaker 1>of people who want to engage in law enforcement as

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<v Speaker 1>a career. Dan Hill's best of luck with you and

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<v Speaker 1>the situation in Fairfield. Now you can let us know

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<v Speaker 1>if there's any developments or updates. I'll be quite curious

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<v Speaker 1>to see how it ends up.

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate chance to be able to talk about Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much, Always good having you on the show.

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