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Speaker 1: happy Thursday to you and a welcome back to Dan
Speaker 1: Hill's former FOP president of the City of Cincinnati Police Department.
Speaker 1: He is wearing today his frontline advisors had and speaking
Speaker 1: on behalf of the problems the Fairfield Police Department has.
Speaker 1: Having Welcome back to the program. Dan, It's a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have you on, Brian. You know, the pleasure is
Speaker 1: always mine. Always enjoyed being on with you and your audience. Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and it's good to hear from you.
Speaker 1: And it's good to put Fairfield on the map. As
Speaker 1: you point out in your statement from frontline advisors, quite
Speaker 1: often overlooked Fairfield is, you know, between city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: which gets some reporting in Dayton, lots going on in Fairfield.
Speaker 1: But before we dive into the situation they're facing with
Speaker 1: the police department there, why don't you remind my listeners
Speaker 1: what frontline advisors and you do.
Speaker 4: Well, we represent police and corrections units. I'm not really
Speaker 4: a company the one can't reveal that one yet. And
Speaker 4: also lots of individual officers who maybe don't feel satisfied.
Speaker 5: With something their.
Speaker 4: Current counsel or representation doing come to frontline and frontline attorney.
Speaker 4: So we represent cops and uh, that's what uh, that's
Speaker 4: what I was doing with the FOP, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to keep on doing it, and I hooked up with
Speaker 4: the right lawyers, uh, folks who really do care about
Speaker 4: the police officers they represent and go the extra mile.
Speaker 5: And that's kind of what experience.
Speaker 4: And we haven't even like ever got real proactive in
Speaker 4: our sales.
Speaker 5: We just kind of picking up agencies as they come
Speaker 5: to us.
Speaker 4: And then, like I said, lots and lots of individual
Speaker 4: officers who find that they haven't been represented properly find
Speaker 4: their find their way to our doors. We got an
Speaker 4: office in Montgomery and an office down in Tendagon close
Speaker 4: to downtown.
Speaker 1: And you got a website because there's an officer out
Speaker 1: there going, hey, I need them.
Speaker 5: We sure do.
Speaker 4: You'll find you'll you'll find us at Frontline Advisors. I
Speaker 4: believe it's LLC doctor I.
Speaker 5: I'll send out to you.
Speaker 4: How about that. I can make sure that that's right.
Speaker 4: But yes, that there is a there is a website
Speaker 4: and I'll forward it.
Speaker 5: To you in jail.
Speaker 2: All right, something you should put the memory there, Dan.
Speaker 4: Hills gonna give me in trouble with all right.
Speaker 1: Not giving you any more craft. Let's move on to Fairfield.
Speaker 1: You are speaking on behalf of Fairfield, which I guess
Speaker 1: they're in the middle of negotiation. So let's tart about
Speaker 1: talk about briefly about what's going on in Fairfield up
Speaker 1: to now when before we dive into the what the
Speaker 1: stall is with the negotiations with the police department. I
Speaker 1: understand that demographics have changed a lot and maybe there's
Speaker 1: more criminal activity, but let my listeners know about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, they have apartment complexes where you know,
Speaker 4: not to do the the immigration thing, but that's what's
Speaker 4: happened up there. There's apartment complexes that are just full
Speaker 4: of immigrants. I don't know what percentage of them are
Speaker 4: legal and which percentages are illegal, but they got a
Speaker 4: lot happening, a lot moving up there. I feel like
Speaker 4: they're doing big city police for in a little town.
Speaker 2: And then back to what.
Speaker 4: I said in my statement, they're kind of lost in
Speaker 4: between Dayton and Cincinnati when it comes to folks paying
Speaker 4: them attention. And we've had the contract of Fairfield for
Speaker 4: I think a little better than a year now, and
Speaker 4: the whole thing just always came across from me. Is
Speaker 4: just kind of weird how their morale was and where
Speaker 4: they were and I'm thinking, you know, departments got nice,
Speaker 4: nice complex that they work out of and stuff. They're
Speaker 4: definitely do a pay raise, there's no doubt about that,
Speaker 4: but there could be worse out there. But this healthcare thing,
Speaker 4: and this is when I thought I might want to
Speaker 4: talk to you because it's so bizarre. I've never seen
Speaker 4: officers or employees.
Speaker 5: Treated like this with health care before.
Speaker 4: They don't know when they go to the doctor, or
Speaker 4: their kid goes a doctor, or their wife goes a doctor,
Speaker 4: what portion of the bill they're going to get, and
Speaker 4: they don't seem to have any goal and they be
Speaker 4: in the City of Fairfield of making that any better.
Speaker 4: There has been a constant over the last three to
Speaker 4: five years struggle and it even has been in the
Speaker 4: courts too, about this health insured fund that they had.
Speaker 4: I think it was worth like four million dollars and
Speaker 4: because they had multiple unit unions all buying into this fund,
Speaker 4: and then they wanted to move away from the self
Speaker 4: insured model and have them all go to something called
Speaker 4: b hip by our Health Initiative plan and they told them, look,
Speaker 4: it'll never raise more than two percent a year. But
Speaker 4: still going into something not knowing what you're going to
Speaker 4: pay when you go to the doctor is not something
Speaker 4: I've ever experienced before as a civil servant. I knew
Speaker 4: what our you know, I always knew what our out
Speaker 4: of pocket was, out of pocket max or individual, how
Speaker 4: much I was going to have to pay for scripts,
Speaker 4: how much maximum per individual I had, and how much
Speaker 4: maximum I had for family. It's all a mystery for them.
Speaker 4: What's It's like they need a Wiji board to determine
Speaker 4: what they're going to pay for healthcare. And so they
Speaker 4: told them listen, listen, you guys, you'll never see more
Speaker 4: in a two percent race. They're okay, all right, you know,
Speaker 4: And so that first the first year was like eight percent.
Speaker 4: The year following it was seventeen percent. Now I'm not
Speaker 4: real good with math, but that's a lot more than
Speaker 4: two percent. Like it went up like twenty five percent.
Speaker 4: So their healthcare is skyrocketing. And then are trying to
Speaker 4: negotiate with these police officers saying, hey, you know, how
Speaker 4: much of a pay raise is going to make you satisfied?
Speaker 4: And like every other municipality, they always start off with
Speaker 4: a flight well a real low percent, real real low
Speaker 4: percent of what they're offering. And at the same time
Speaker 4: they're telling that they're they're telling them that, well, your
Speaker 4: your health insurance is still going to be this mystery,
Speaker 4: and so it put them in a spot there.
Speaker 5: I was thinking that this was this was my days
Speaker 5: back with the city.
Speaker 4: I would have been all over the medium social media,
Speaker 4: you know, letting people know. I didn't know how this
Speaker 4: is going to work with Like I said, of smaller town,
Speaker 4: it's in between media, ken Ken, we put some pressure
Speaker 4: on a smaller municipality to kind of wake up because
Speaker 4: I don't know if all their their council members or
Speaker 4: whatever realize the moralesh isay, which that's.
Speaker 1: The okay point I did want to get. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about healthcare. Let's pause from them. We'll bring you back
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit more about that amount of
Speaker 1: time in the segment. So we'll bring Dan Hills back
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Speaker 1: with Dan Hills Front Lines and the Frontline Advisors advocates
Speaker 1: on behalf of police officers and police departments and his
Speaker 1: subject Metter today Fairfield Police Department struggling with healthcare. But
Speaker 1: I guess when you're talking about negotiating salary, you can't
Speaker 1: operate in a factual vacuum.
Speaker 4: Dan.
Speaker 1: If you don't how much money is going to go
Speaker 1: to your healthcare, how can you possibly negotiate a salary, right?
Speaker 1: Isn't that like part of the problem with this if
Speaker 1: you don't mean that the price of medical insurance keeps
Speaker 1: going up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brian, And that's why I decided I wanted to
Speaker 4: speak publicly about it, is because I've never seen anybody
Speaker 4: being so restricted and being able to negotiate fairly because they.
Speaker 5: Have no idea.
Speaker 4: And I'm going to talk about the officers that have left,
Speaker 4: the experience that has left before I say that, Brian,
Speaker 4: front line advisor LLC dot com.
Speaker 2: All one word and advisor with it. That would.
Speaker 4: I don't want to get out of here with not
Speaker 4: getting up.
Speaker 2: I feared you might correct the record when we came.
Speaker 4: Back anyway, So no, like I said, this is unique.
Speaker 4: I've you know, started negotiating contracts back with the city.
Speaker 4: We're talking, you know, good piece over a decade ago.
Speaker 4: And look, siations are tough. They're going to be tough.
Speaker 5: That's you.
Speaker 4: You got two sides that will each want to get
Speaker 4: to a different point. But you know these are these
Speaker 4: are a quality bunch of officers up there in Fairfield.
Speaker 4: Really meet bunch of guys and gals. And and again
Speaker 4: when we took over, like I did, what was going
Speaker 4: on with them around out there? And why so many
Speaker 4: are leaving? In two years twenty five percent of their
Speaker 4: folks have gotten out normal retirements and they've been hiring
Speaker 4: them on as click for now as as pretty much
Speaker 4: as they're leading, but they've lost so much experience. And yeah,
Speaker 4: I actually have a chart where if they've done some
Speaker 4: unofficial why are you leaving? And like nine or ten
Speaker 4: have left for other agencies so they weren't done with
Speaker 4: their careers.
Speaker 5: Are like I just I love.
Speaker 4: Being a policeman, but I can't be a policeman here
Speaker 4: in Fairfield anymore. And some of it's time to the
Speaker 4: self insurance insurance ers of this unofficial survey that was
Speaker 4: taking one one person or I need to know. I
Speaker 4: need to know what type of health insurance and my
Speaker 4: half of my life and I just don't know, uh
Speaker 4: as a Fairfield police officer, what I'm going to have.
Speaker 5: We have they have.
Speaker 4: They have a couple of officers who were tempted to
Speaker 4: go to Fairfield because they were lived and grew up
Speaker 4: in the area, and they came from other agencies and
Speaker 4: they came there and they worked here for six months
Speaker 4: or so and said nne, no thanks, and they went
Speaker 4: back to the you know, luckily for them there the
Speaker 4: originally the original agency took them back. So there is
Speaker 4: there is a dysfunction there. The thing that I noticed
Speaker 4: is you have a chief and three assistants who are
Speaker 4: not in the bargain union, and then they have nothing
Speaker 4: else in between all the way down to sergeants.
Speaker 5: So it's kind of like an US and them.
Speaker 4: Thing, and it comes out and things like, uh, pursuit policies.
Speaker 4: Now everybody's rethinking pursuits, and they should be. It's a
Speaker 4: it's a changing way of policing. But you have other
Speaker 4: commun unities that border them that are having pursuits that
Speaker 4: go into Fairfield. You have, Fairfield's a big area geographically,
Speaker 4: and there's a lot going on, and another community will
Speaker 4: have a pursuit going into Fairfield and they're just not
Speaker 4: even allowed to help them. They're not allowed for oup stopsticks.
Speaker 4: They're not allowed to do anything. And you knows most
Speaker 4: agencies pursue policies while they are changing, they're not wholesale.
Speaker 4: Just you better stay out of them, especially when you
Speaker 4: consider other communities and they're them looking from support for
Speaker 4: your department. But when you're talking about that amount of
Speaker 4: senuity drained from your agency, it's a matter of time
Speaker 4: until something will happen, and then the administrators and fail
Speaker 4: fair Will are going to throw out their hands and say, well,
Speaker 4: we have no we had no.
Speaker 5: Idea that this was going on.
Speaker 4: And that's where I kind of come in here and say, well,
Speaker 4: you've been put on notice officially now publicly that there's
Speaker 4: some there's some issues they and that your employees, your
Speaker 4: police officers, especially in this time where it's getting so competitive,
Speaker 4: people are all trying to grab up the really qualified
Speaker 4: police officers that are out there and people who want
Speaker 4: to be in that.
Speaker 5: Work that are out there.
Speaker 4: It was it was really kind of disappointing since we
Speaker 4: took over Fairfield to see where they're headed, where they are,
Speaker 4: and that's why.
Speaker 5: I decided to bring a little public attention to it.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm happy to serve and serve you in that regard.
Speaker 1: It's just you know, it's a fundamental principle of fairness here.
Speaker 1: How can you negotiate any factual vacuum. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you can say, well, we're going to give the officers
Speaker 1: and x percent raise and then you know, not tell
Speaker 1: them that, oh, by the way, that's going to be
Speaker 1: eradicated because the cost of medical insurance is going to
Speaker 1: go up by twenty five percent or something. That's just unconscionable.
Speaker 1: And I don't understand has any motive or reason been
Speaker 1: expressed to you or any of the officers as to
Speaker 1: why they're hiding the ball on what their benefits are.
Speaker 1: I mean, normally you get a policy, an insurance policy,
Speaker 1: and it says you're responsible for out of pocket at
Speaker 1: so you're responsible for the copay of this amount twenty
Speaker 1: percent or five percent whatever. The terms of condition are
Speaker 1: spelled out very clearly. You know what's covered and you
Speaker 1: know what's not.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just.
Speaker 1: Just basic fundamental principles of fairness and knowledge and information
Speaker 1: so you can make informed decisions.
Speaker 4: Well, some of it's historical, and it leaves me if
Speaker 4: my eyes werell on in the back of my hand
Speaker 4: trying to understand it all. They had what they called
Speaker 4: a healthcare committee. And this thing's going on like twenty
Speaker 4: years ago now, so it was self insured, a fire union,
Speaker 4: the police union, Stanitation, all their people all kind of
Speaker 4: came together and they put all this money into a
Speaker 4: pool and from that they were able to, I guess
Speaker 4: at one time have healthcare costs that were reasonable. And
Speaker 4: the committee was actually members of these different unions would
Speaker 4: sit down and go, all right, here's what we need
Speaker 4: to do to keep our self assured account sustainable and healthy.
Speaker 2: Right right right.
Speaker 4: But as they wanted to move away from this all
Speaker 4: they be in the city of Fairfield. Uh, in the
Speaker 4: last it's been three or five years. They said they
Speaker 4: would they would have a committee meeting schedule to they cancelor.
Speaker 4: They have committee meetings schedule, they cancelor. And then one
Speaker 4: by one they're picking off the unions and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: let's go over this Butler Health Initiative plan that has
Speaker 4: this kind of rolling thing where they don't they don't
Speaker 4: know for sure what it is they're going to pay.
Speaker 4: So they've picked off the other unions and must the
Speaker 4: police union kind of standing there alone. And there there
Speaker 4: has been court actions lawsuits about this this big sum
Speaker 4: of money, because who owns this money? Who does this
Speaker 4: money belong to? Now always been siphoned off union's union
Speaker 4: members and again all the unions and their paychecks, and
Speaker 4: I think they still have, like the city of Fairfield
Speaker 4: still has like four million dollars sitting in this cantal
Speaker 4: health care.
Speaker 1: Even if self insured plans got to have terms and conditions,
Speaker 1: it can't just be arbitrarily decided on a case by
Speaker 1: case basis what is covered and what is not. That's
Speaker 1: the mystery that I'm I'm dealing with here because I do.
Speaker 4: And that's that's the part that's got these people so
Speaker 4: so miffed. I guess to the fact they did have
Speaker 4: their hands involved through these committees, but now they're pressuring
Speaker 4: them out of that and into this Butler Health Initiative
Speaker 4: plan with again, it doesn't it doesn't always define where
Speaker 4: they're going to be from year to year. So they're
Speaker 4: they're they're they're really at a point of no return
Speaker 4: that if things don't get better in this negotiation or whatever,
Speaker 4: the people of Fairfield are going to be losing more
Speaker 4: and more of their experienced officers. And then therefore it's
Speaker 4: going to change the pool of which of of employees
Speaker 4: that they can attract it right, and again that's why
Speaker 4: that's why front Line Advisors, which you can find on
Speaker 4: the WEFT site at front Line Advisers.
Speaker 2: L dot com.
Speaker 1: Yeah advises LLC dot com reach Dan and the crew
Speaker 1: to help you out with these issues. Well, I appreciate
Speaker 1: you raising it's everybody's attention and putting Fairfield on the map.
Speaker 1: Obviously there's a problem there. They can't afford to lose
Speaker 1: any more officers of twenty five percent of the police
Speaker 1: force left over the past couple of years. Retaining good
Speaker 1: talent important for proper police work to be done. And
Speaker 1: of course you've got a challenging environment out there with
Speaker 1: all these different police departments fighting over a shrinking number
Speaker 1: of people who want to engage in law enforcement as
Speaker 1: a career. Dan Hill's best of luck with you and
Speaker 1: the situation in Fairfield. Now you can let us know
Speaker 1: if there's any developments or updates. I'll be quite curious
Speaker 1: to see how it ends up.
Speaker 4: I appreciate chance to be able to talk about Brian.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Always good having you on the show.
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