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Speaker 2: An Now, all right, welcome back you.
Speaker 3: In hour number two ot B Wednesday morning, Jake flann
elandre tte here with you.
Speaker 2: We're talking a.
Speaker 3: Little LSU run game during the break. There obviously something
a lot of people want to talk about. You know,
have a lot of conversations about the offensive line and
when you look at the analytics of the offensive line,
one of the highest graded pass protection units not only
in the SEC, but in the entire country. Now, a
year ago kind of the same story, right, you had
really good pass protection and run blocking was something we
talked a lot about, like for this offensive line, you know,
and you're getting the body hands pretty quick, they're forgetting
and smart. We talked about that. You know, whatever's going
on with this Torso injury right now, you're not you know,
pushing the ball down the field.
Speaker 2: We use the stat. We looked up the stat.
Speaker 3: We charged at the stat thirty four yards through the air, yesterday,
so you know that helps you. But still this this
unit's been really good. I don't see it as a
talent issue. Like it's not an issue where guys are
losing their individual matchups in the run game. It's not like,
oh this guy, look, the defensive lineman just walking him back.
He's basically on heay skates right now instead of cleats
and pushing back into the running back. I think it's
some of the schematics of the offense because some of
these runs, and Matt, you were talking about like, it's
like you got an RPO situation, so do you want
to show them, Yeah, we can, that's fine. Some of
it is trying to be perfect in the run game
and what I mean by that, And Matt showed me
this over the weekend, and he's exactly right, Like and
when I say robotic, it's like, okay, well, we've got
this defensive lineman and we're comboing up to the linebacker
and the tackles trying to basically block the defensive lineman
for the guard and then try to at the last
minute get up to his linebacker and by then it's
too late. Like if you have a combo block it's
like the guard tackle, got a boom, got it all right, cool,
second level and just not getting to that second level
fast enough right now. And so what you have is
you have a linebacker that is right there, he's in
the gap, he's coming downhill. The running back sees that,
he sees color flash and so he's either bouncing it
or he's just saying, well, they gotta put my head
down and try to get two yards. So those things
I do think are fixable, and you got to get
him fixed, and you got to get him fixed here
pretty quick.
Speaker 2: But one of the.
Speaker 3: Plays, I'm sitting here and I'm just watching the end
zone copy, watching the end zone copy, and I'm like, well,
you know, look, look, look, look, look, but if you
zoom out and.
Speaker 2: You get yeah, Taylor, go ahead and pull us up.
We got a clip. This is from early in the
first quarter too, So we are running right here. They're
in a three down look right now. So they gotta
when the defensive tackles over the center like this, it's
called a zero, So he's zero shade, zero knows whatever.
He's head up on the on the defensive tackle. So
we're running a zone into tight endside and you watched
this play out nowhere for the running back to go.
This is one of those plays. I was like, man,
I was watching the tight copy this week and I
sent it to Jake. I was like, man, this right tackle.
He's so worried about giving presents to the guard in
ninety four. He's not getting up to his assignment. He's
not getting up to zero. Yeah, he just he needs
to give them a little presence and then get up
to zero because that's his guy. And who makes the block,
who makes the tackle?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Zero zero. And I'm sitting there watching two, I'm like,
what got him go? And that's the easy thing to
look at when you're watching these tight copy's, like, man,
right tackles messed up. He did it, he did it.
He's got to get it. He's I think he still
has to get on him, like zero is his guy.
But this tight copy didn't tell the whole picture, the
whole story of the play. So we're gonna go to
the wide copy and I we're just gonna we're gonna
play it once, just play it through, then ell we
one and see what anybody notices.
Speaker 3: All right about this laundre tate. Y'all watching listen to
us on radio. Oh, it's the same play, it's just
zoomed out.
Speaker 2: It's just a zoomed out vertist. So it's the wide
copy of the version. So what we what do we
have here? What kind of concept? We have an RPO,
a two wide receiver RPO system. So what can the
offensive lineman not do here?
Speaker 3: They, Matthew, cannot go downfield, can't go because there is
a possibility that behind them, which they don't have eyes
in the back of their head. Garrett Nosmeyer could throw
either the five yard hitch or the flat route to
the left side.
Speaker 2: Yep, they have the and this is a three step
route concept. Like a lot of times RPOs are basically
one step like now timing, So it doesn't matter if
the linemen are getting down the field. So the right
tackle cannot do the job that he is supposed to
do or needs to do on his zone play, which
is basically just give a left hand to help his
left guard, give a left hand to that defensive tackle
and go to the linebacker immediately. So when we see
a lot of this stuff happening now, RPO is a weapon.
An RPO is a weapon that you can use. It's
a tool that offenses can use and do use all
over the country very successfully, and it keeps the defense
on his toes. It always gives you an answer. But
this right here shows you a glaring weakness is to
RPO systems, not just for Lsue, for everybody that runs it.
Offensive linemen cannot get down the field. I think early
on in the RPO days, that call wasn't made a lot. No,
it wasn't, but coach Saman talked about that a lot.
There's an emphasis there has been more and more of
an emphasis to the referees to call the illegal lineman downfield.
So when we watch clips and you're like, man, that
right tackle or that left guard or whoever, they're not
doing their job. They got to get up. You have
to look at the totality of the play and we
don't know what they're being coached, but we can assume
what they're being coached is you can't get down field
because there's a three step route combination behind it. And
what does it do? It MUCKs up everything for when
things like this happen. When you have a good defensive
line like Florida does, and they can stonewall and they
can position like they're these guys are disciplined rushers, they're
disciplined defensive lineman. So they're if they think it's going
to be a run play, they think that offensive lineman
has a run block, they're gonna sit there, they're gonna
straight arm him, and they're gonna look to like throw
the the lineman left right depending like to play the run,
and that's what they do. So there's I mean, if
you're running back there, I mean, where are you running?
So you can't just look at that. So if you
look at this tight copy, you're gonna be like, right tackle,
You're wrong, Yeah, you're wrong. And I think he still
should have got to zero. I think he's looking to
the left. He didn't really see because they're motioning Bauer
in from the outside back into the box, so he's
not I think his eyes are a little bit wrong.
But still, if this was just a normal if you
take the RPO off this seventy five zero, yeah, seventy five,
your left hand is on ninety four as you're hauling
ass to block zero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go back to the wide shot. And that's a difference.
That's what it doesn't matter. But like also, like these
the linebacker on the backside of the play is adding
right now and he's not even thinking about the r
PO to his side, and you you run a slant
like right behind that if you're going to run the
RPO stuff, I mean, either one of these receivers at
the bottom of your screen. Right, that's an easy completion
for a first down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, but he's probably taught and too high.
You're not throwing and it is too even though there
are guys technically open whatever. But yeah, just tough. Like
so when you're looking and you're you're grading people, you're
grading tackle. So right tackle in a PFF grading system
might have gotten a deduction there, yeah, yeah, and he
probably shouldn't have. Yeah, right, So you just have to if, like,
like we said, if you're going to call something out
on the team, especially team that we all care about,
we need to be able to like kind of show
why and kind of talk through it. Uh.
Speaker 3: Some of the questions are they supposed to hold the
spot I mean right there? Because you can't be downfield
and you don't have fast flow from the defensive lineman,
it's hard to tell the right tackle to to really
get to engage with the defensive lineman, because then if
it does turn into a run, what's gonna happen What happened?
Zero is gonna add himself, He's gonna basically be unblocked away.
Speaker 2: Actually, So I was never a part of an offense
like in depth, that had this type of RPO system
attached to it. Mine was always kind of like the
more now throws, Like, if I know I'm throwing to it,
it's a one step behind the line of scrimmage. It's
a bubble route, it's a one step slant, it's something
right over the middle. It wasn't never like there's a
literal route concept behind a behind a run play. Yeah.
So I don't know the exact coaching, but I can
imagine that the coaching for the offensive lineman is like
a two count kind of like a screen like in screens.
It's like it's a two count screen, three count screen,
three and a half like four count screen, like I
would imagine RP like your two counts and then up
to the second level if you can get there like
That's how I would imagine it. So maybe that right
tackle is a little bit slow still, and I think
his eyes were still wrong. Yeah, I don't even think
he was thinking about zero. But it just kind of
goes to show you, like the RPO blocking is different. Man,
Like if you're if you're coming in, you're and you're
frustrated watching the running game, and you're like, man, they
got to get their asses off the ball. They got
to get to the Lineberdyes, they got to get to the
second level. You have to look at the whole play
in the totality, and you can't just poo poo on
on RPOs because they are a tool and they are
a weapon, but they're not an offensive philosophy. They are
a tool to be used within the game, not every time,
but I'm saying what we do, we don't do it
every time. But like when you see that, you're like, many,
why can't we get any movement? That's a penalty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be a situation where you just you
take the r p O off of it and early
in the game you're trying to establish.
Speaker 2: It because that's that displays eleven over eleven minutes left
in the first quarter, just super early on absolutely.
Speaker 3: So, uh, just a couple of things, a couple of
things to look for and the LSU ring actually I
mean pull up the I think it's.
Speaker 2: The first run.
Speaker 3: Pull up the first run that LSU had where they
had it was like a four yard run, five yard
run you got. You know, you're ahead of schedule there,
and it's you know, it's one little step here, one
false step here, and like those are the things that
we're talking about. And so again, it's not like you're
just getting blown off the ball. It's not that you
can't block your guy. It's even when you're blocking your guys,
like it's just one step and you can pull up
Matt's screen again, you can go to the end zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've watched the wide cop it's an RB again,
I know. So if you see the offensive line, they're
all blocking at the last scrimmage and then.
Speaker 3: They see lateral movement in the north south movement.
Speaker 2: But still they are getting they are getting movement though
on this one, like I would left guard does a
great job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if so for everyone listening on radio. The
center has a zero nose right in front of him
for us, and he was a little bit nervous to
take a real open lead step because I guess he
didn't want to get beat back door. But he has
to know that he's got left guard help. He can
be aggressive with his right leg. He can open up
because you're blocking to a spot. He should have ninety
five hooked right now. But you can tell he's worried
about maybe a back door a gap, but he has
to trust his left guard that he's going to be there.
And if the guy tries to back door this run play,
he now gets taken by sixty five all mobing at
the left guard and he's gonna get then, and then
he doesn't worry about it anymore. Then he's going straight
to twenty nine Here at the linebacker position, that's where
the trust has to come in, right, You're trusting your
guard is going to take over any back door a
gap type cut situation, and you're moving forward and.
Speaker 2: Watch these guys make it calls to watch the offensive
lineman to this. How much communication goes on because it's
a shade nose. They're all talking to each other. They're saying,
I got the shade nose. You got to work up
and like they're they're making calls. So if this defensive
lineman would have been lined up here, that's the difference
between interest. If he would have been lined up here,
which would have been like a shade of one technique.
The center would have made a different call, and the
center would have worked up to twenty nine and the
left guard would have tried to hook. Yeah, and you're saying, okay,
this is a good first play though. The left guard
does a great job of giving presents and getting up
to twenty nine does a really good job. It kind
of works that like two count, I was just talking
about a little bit better to count then work up
left guard. People are gonna watch this be like, come on,
left tackle, get the block because it's his guy in
ninety four then isn't making tackle? Left tackle does a
really good job here. Yeah, Like that's this is a
tough leverage. You see that's a four, so that's very
tough of it. So he's got to try to beat him.
He gets enough stink on him that we get three
four yards. He actually did a good job and a
really tough look right there for that left tackle. Yep,
I would agree. There's actually a nice cut by Cayden
to seeing the You can just see the difference of
run blocking in an RPO system, an RPO game, Like
these guys there, they are not going down the field
and that left guard does a good job. They're really
good play all right.
Speaker 3: So the whole reason to bring it up, if you're
going to say, okay, the run game, the run game,
the run game, well, here's some of the reasons I
think in the run game, and it's an offensive line
that I actually do think has the ability to not
only improve but be much better in the run game.
And I think some of those situations, some of the
different play designs that you're run in. They're running way
more outside zone this year than they ever have before.
It's not that far away, but it certainly needs to
continue to be worked only.
Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of positive takeaways from it.
And again this isn't like saying we should or shouldn't
do something as far as like schematically, because the r
PO is a is proven to be weapon and a
very big benefit. They bring the right coverage, you can
cash a team. Yeah, but there's some give and take
that you have to do because of how it's being
reffed now compared to how it's being refed a couple
of years ago.
Speaker 3: Uh Matt Matt c says, I feel like Cayden could
have bounced that outside and tried to make the linebacker
man a psych in hindsight, maybe first play the game.
First the game though, and you got six yards. Now
you're second and four. You love it, So that's a
great nay I run and that's what you're going to do.
Speaker 2: So but yeah, there's always like there's always something in
every single because it's eleven, it's eleven players versus eleven.
There's always something like you can nitpick every single play.
You should have done this, could have done that, and yeah,
but like first play, you gotta like emotions are super high.
You know, a play is supposed to do something. They're
not a lot of crazy ad living. It's happened, happening
on first plays of the game.
Speaker 3: No, and you get six yards on the first play
of the game. Yeah, we'll take second and four and
that's a that's a good run by Cayden there. So, uh,
just a little breakdown of you know some things in
the run game right now and again.
Speaker 2: I do the there's place to be made.
Speaker 3: We'll see if LSU continues to develop that because more consistent,
not saying you hadn't had big plays, but you got
to be more consistent. And certainly there's a point of emphasis.
You can tell to have it on the place sheet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of there's a lot
of juice you have to be squeezed in this on
this run game, for sure.
Speaker 3: All right, I'll take a break. When we come back.
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Speaker 3: We talked about turf toe last or two weeks ago,
and unfortunately I think we we might have jinked our.
Speaker 2: Guy Joey b Gosh.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: We talked about like turftw like what is turf toe?
And we talked about it and you're like, well, there's
this one case where you've got the surgery and you
can miss like three months and that's like the worst case,
and that's what Joey, Yeah, he has.
Speaker 2: Hey, can you give us like a just like a
brief Oh, I know, we talked about it in depth.
Couple ways on like kind of brief overview of what
kind of happens to the foot when it gets to
the stage of having to have surgery. Yeah, if you.
Speaker 6: Look at at the play that had happened, I mean,
if you watch that play, it didn't look that bad.
I went back and looked at it, and you know,
if anything, I'd have been worried about his right foot.
He had the defender on the back kind of fell
on the right foot if he saw it. But his
left foot is the one that was injured. And if
you go back and watch, you can kind of see
where his foot get kind of flexed over the front
of it. That big toe is down and the whole
foot kind of comes over the top and just probably
just kind of caught in the turf just right. And
and what happens in his case is he tore you know,
knowing it's a great that can sometimes mean a few
different things, but he tore basically part of that ligament
under the toe, and it's where the foot connects the
big toe. The ligament usually tears off of the toe portion,
so the distal portion rips off and you have to
go back and reattach it.
Speaker 7: Sometimes you can have other injuries with that sometimes, like.
Speaker 6: You can get a little piece of cartilage that comes off,
or you have these little bones that are called your
sesimoids that can sometimes fracture with it, and that can
complicate it further. You know, I'm not sure as far
as which version of that he had, but we would
assume at the very minimum he had that distal ligament
pull off, because I they're going to go in and
fix it. Yeah, that's kind of kind of what we know,
at least at the very minimum.
Speaker 2: What's the rehab like for that.
Speaker 6: So so normally, you know, you have the surgery, you
get repaired, You're gonna be in a boot or a
cast or something like that for the first few weeks,
probably have non weight bearing for at least a couple
of weeks on some crutches. After a couple of weeks,
maybe with a really rigid, you know, walking boot, he
can start walking on it. You're looking at a few
weeks to let that ligament really heal in, and then
you got to kind of get the strength back. You
got to be able to push off it, you gotta
be able to plant with it. You know, I'd say
at least two to four weeks non weight bearing, another
two to four weeks after that, where you can start
walking on it and start your light rehab, and then
you just slowly progress from there.
Speaker 2: Is the foot in this type of injury something that
the stem cell world would kind of help this type
of injury?
Speaker 6: You know, it's a good question in traditional medicine. You know,
that's not something that we would typically do, you know,
ten years ago obviously, so is it something that would
help you know, it depends on your perspective.
Speaker 7: I think it would.
Speaker 6: It's an area that I have a lot of passion
and we've talked about us in the past weeks. How
much though, I don't know, because you've got to get
that ligament to really heal into the bone. So it's
great to say, hey, it might get there quicker. You know,
you'll hear about people doing hyperbarycks. You hear about people
doing you know, red light bone stimulators, supplementation, stem cells.
Speaker 7: I think all these things have a place that we
don't know for sure.
Speaker 6: Right You're still figuring out is it going to be
something that gets you better a week earlier, a month earlier,
And that's a lot we still don't know where I
don't think we're gonna move the needle drastically. But you know,
my way of thinking is you watch the way they're recovering,
and then you start looking for where you can optimize.
If there's an area that still just seems to be
lagging behind, maybe that's when I kind of try to
cater the treatment.
Speaker 2: Now, if there's anybody out there that's like denying if
themselves work, they're crazy, because like I've felt them firsthand
that they do work. I think it's probably trying to
figure out like the timing of when to do that.
So is it something that is a standard practice for
like a post surgery recovery to go those types of
treatments or is it based like I use it with
something that nothing else was working for a pain spot
and then that that did work now just a recovery
from a surgery. Is that a practice that people.
Speaker 6: Are using in some scenarios it is. I wouldn't say
it's standard of care. I would not say that that's
especially not trying to be whatever in certain portions of life.
If if I have an injury like that, do I
need to get better? Does it make a difference if
I get better in six weeks or eight weeks, probably not.
You know, I'm still baby stated to do my job.
Whereas if it's a Joe Burrow, we can get back
in the field two weeks or that might be the
difference in the playoffs and not and what have you.
Speaker 7: So so some of we have to consider.
Speaker 6: That's why it's not probably become standard care because they
are expensive, and look, for me, it wouldn't really matter.
Speaker 7: They have that reputation.
Speaker 6: But I think you're right, you know, it's it's something
that we don't know for sure win to app apply it.
I think for me, the best application is the examples
y'all gave where it's this guy has a chronic injury
that's not getting better.
Speaker 7: We've tried all the traditional stuff.
Speaker 6: That's why I know it's a good option, or at
least feel very confident is a good option. And these
post surgical things, you know, if you think about it,
you have a lot of blood flow in circulation right
after surgery.
Speaker 7: At least this is the way I look at it.
Speaker 6: So if you think about do you need to do
it right after surgery, maybe not, but maybe that phase
you know a few weeks down the road when things
are slowing down.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the right time.
Speaker 6: Certain surgeries, especially like bone fractures, will sometimes you know,
they'll do different procedures at the time of surgery, so
there are there are different avenues for this. We're still
just figuring it out.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So obviously doctor answers, he can't come here and he
can't talk specific injuries with certain players, But I want
to ask you you you know, being on the broadcast,
we're always like, all right, the player A is in
the tent, player A is out.
Speaker 2: Of the tent.
Speaker 3: Oh, player as going back in the tent. What is
the process for you? And again like I don't I'm
not asking for any specific player, but when y'all go
inside the tent, right, it's like, you know, you and
other people, trainers and the player obviously right there, Like
what do you need to get done? And what decides
if a player needs to go into the tent or not?
Because I've seen y'all have an injury and not go
into the tent.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of times, you know, it starts a
little bit you on the field assessment. And we've been
very fortunate my whole time here. We've always had a
great medical staff, great athletic trainers. They're kind of the
first ones out there when y'all se those people who
a rushing out, that's gonna be our trainers. They're gonna
do a quick assessment on the field and see what
they think. Usually we're going to kind of follow up
and if it's something on the field that we need
need to assess there, is it okay to move the athlete?
Do we need to get them in the tent? Those
types of questions we start asking. You know, we've gotten
a little more advanced the past few years. We wear
these these fun little head pieces and all that, and
so we'll kind of let the sideline know like, yeah,
we're going in the tent. And really I think it
borders down to do we need to do a further
assessment if we know the answer on the field, and
let's just say you kind of got the wind knocked
out of you, maybe you stepped a little funny in
your ankle, kind of you felt something, but now it's fine,
We're probably not going to bring you in the tent.
But if it's something that's going to require really a
further assessment, we're probably gonna bring you in the tent.
You know, and even things, you know, in past years,
we've kind of learned that we have a lot of
eyes on us and and sometimes something that probably doesn't
need to go in the tent, we're going to take
in the tent more so just being blunt like a
CYA type thing. You know, we've learned that that, you know,
I feel very confident in our medical crew.
Speaker 2: They do a great job.
Speaker 6: But but you know, you don't want to bring you know, undo,
I guess criticism.
Speaker 7: You don't want to do that.
Speaker 6: So sometimes it's more of a said, yeah, sometimes it's that,
but you also want to be able to get assessment
without having to worry about, you know, having all the
stylent reporters and everybody that's there and cameras.
Speaker 7: Are on you, right, I know that guy forty Rushes
of the world.
Speaker 2: Is there anything done more than just assessment in the tent?
So like when we were in the Ark, I saw
a game in two thousand and seven, I had to
go to the locker room twice during that game to
get just a little tune up of Lyda Kane and
the old shoulder. Is there anything like, like, is there
actual stuff being physically done outside of an assessment.
Speaker 7: It's mostly assessment.
Speaker 6: If there is some type of a treatment that we
can do on the sideline, we might consider doing that.
Speaker 7: You know, we're pretty limited with what we can do there.
Speaker 6: You know, if it's something where we're really worried, we
probably bring it into the locker room too, or if
we need to get X rays for example, or if
it's something like that. That's a lot of times while
you see us taking them in the locker room. There
are things you can do in a tent, but but
obviously you're even with the protection of that, you are
a little bit limited. Even something as simple as an IV.
We have to ask ourselves. You know, I've done a
couple of v's and guy's cramping in the tent, so
we might do that. But on the other hand, you
have a more controlled environment in the locker room. Do
we have the time to go in there that that's
that's usually the big question.
Speaker 3: And no, no cramps fail issue though, beause they're hydrated.
So disclaimer, doctor, we're talking about in past year, it's
been a while.
Speaker 2: Talking about a decade ago.
Speaker 3: Again, not talking anything specific here, but how many TORSO
questions have you answered over the last twenty four hours.
Speaker 7: You know, It's it's funny. I got I got a text,
and you're going over the entire chart.
Speaker 6: So I get a text from a friend of mine
and he said, so, what's the torso urgent or something
about torcho injury.
Speaker 7: I'm like, why is he asking me this? Because I
hadn't I hadn't heard any of the press conference like that.
Speaker 6: And it literally was like I'm like and I even respond,
I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. And
then of course I heard later on that afternoon and
there had been some mention of torso injuries around campus. Uh,
you know the torso injuries are it's such a big area.
You know, you're really basically talking about anything lower than
the neck, basically down through the pelvis. That's a lot
of volume, a lot of area that we can talk about. So,
I mean, if I guess we want to keep things vague,
it's a good way to do so, you know, because
it can include things like muscle strains, rib injuries, technically
a back injury. I think I heard you on the
radio talking about a sports herney that would technically classify
as a I I was wondering.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, does that count as a torso
because like you always hear people talk like I never
had one, but I you know, hear people talk about
that all the time.
Speaker 6: I think, you know, if you want to be about technical,
really it's anything from like I said, the upper chest
to the pelvis and uh sports herney as a pelvis injury.
So so there's a lot of things that you can
be encompassed in that uh and and and again that
some of them serious, some of them not and and
and some of them are gonna be kind of lingering,
nagging problems. You know, when when you're talking about you know,
obviously we know that we're talking about a position here
with our quarterback, and anything that involves twisting or torn
in the torso if you're if you're at the quarterback,
you gotta throw the ball. That's that's gonna be tough,
you know, and account for that. You can imagine how much.
Speaker 2: Any thrower, swinger, kicker, golf like anything that's rotational, anything
that has to do with that torso is going to
be a huge impact.
Speaker 7: It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 6: And then you even think about the regular day to
day you cough, you sneeze, you take a deep breath,
you have to.
Speaker 7: Get out of a recliner when you're watching TV.
Speaker 2: When you're it's like.
Speaker 6: Living so so so these are things you know, you
do your bes to manage, and depending on the injury,
there's there's things that can be done. You know, we've
talked about different injections to try and help things heal
some of the stem cells and things like that. Sometimes
it's about pain control, you know, little anti inflammatory mentioned.
Sometimes there are times would use light of cane for
certain injuries. We've had guys with rib fractures where we'll
do a little nerve block or things like that to
help with that pain. You know, there's a lot of
things you can do, but they're gonna be nagging injuries.
These are gonna be tough injuries. You know, it's especially
in that type of position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And one of the things like you don't even
think about with like any injury like that. I remember
I had like a lower abnomal like strain one time,
Like I remember what year it was, and I can
just remember like I would be sitting down and I'd
let it, you know, I wouldn't be stretched out. Then
all of sudden I get up out of a chair
and I just like, you know, arch my back a little.
Speaker 2: Bit and it would just burn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because I was sitting and I was kind
of crouched over and then when I got up and
I kind of like fully elongated, and it was It's brutal.
It's that first time you kind of stretch it out,
You're gonna feel it a lot, and it's kind of
you know, that's we always about that with Planner fashion
et us. That first step in the morning is the worst,
you know, and you hear that, that's a tech spoke
question that the first step in the morning they felt
the worst pain. You know almost immediately. That's a Planner
fast question if you're answered.
Speaker 2: I mean I basically had Planner fascia. I just for
so long.
Speaker 3: Like the tennis ball that I carried with me was
basically my Wilson from Castleway.
Speaker 2: I mean it was basically one with me.
Speaker 3: It was like I had it in both feet in
the same year twenty eleven and just roll and just
switch to the foot and roll and one popped and
one didn't pop, felt better, pop felt better.
Speaker 2: Document. I asked you a question that everybody's dying to know.
Have you You've seen the movie Varsity Blues. Absolutely, what
were they shooting into Lance Harber's knee?
Speaker 7: You know, that's a great question. You know, that's a
great question.
Speaker 6: I've always I've actually always wondered that one as well,
you know, explode.
Speaker 7: I've not been around that one thus far. But it
didn't didn't do good things.
Speaker 2: To his knee. Sounds like just some good medication to me. Yeah, anyway,
that's what I wanted to So you don't know, I
don't know doing over than West Canaan. Yeah, I don't know.
They needed you there. Hey Harbor still be playing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need have gone to floor State or State
let's go where you played football.
Speaker 6: That movie actually came out when I was in college,
and I remember going to the theater watching it, and
of course I'm in Tallahassee and say place went nuts
when you Chowarship.
Speaker 7: That's one of those memories I have.
Speaker 2: Just people people went crazy. Dr Anthwurs. We appreciate your
time as always there my pleasure. All right, before we
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Speaker 3: Matthew, what is better than one dose squiscis? Yeah, they
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We like to hang out, have a good time, socialize
and whatever your life decision is to drink one, do
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Speaker 1: Locked in on LSU Football twenty four to seven. You're
listening to Off the Bench Day, All.
Speaker 2: Right, welcome back to you, OTB.
Speaker 3: Alandra definitely definitely got some advice from her father.
Speaker 2: On this one. This feels like on your dad's playlist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no I know this one. Yeah it's a hit,
but it is a good one. Yeah, and the other
made a Laudra's dad. I got same R and B taste. Yeah,
this feels like he got. He's like, hey, Army Thursday,
make sure you play the hits. He's funny, he like
wants his own segment now. And like my mom was
telling me that he was hanging out in the chat
one day and everywhere, Like I guess it was the
day that I was using.
Speaker 8: His playlist to do it.
Speaker 4: And people were like making comments.
Speaker 8: It's so funny.
Speaker 4: My mom said that he was like taking screenshots and
sending it to her.
Speaker 8: He's like, I guess I'm famous now. Parents are funny.
Speaker 3: Your old man's a Texas fan, though, right UT fan,
I thought, yeah, Texas house, so.
Speaker 4: We have fully converted him into an L s U
fan ever since I started going to L s U.
He did send me a picture he ordered the two
poncho shirts.
Speaker 8: And I was like, make sure you keep your receipt
because if we win that Natty.
Speaker 3: Natty back guarantee on the poncho shirts that Flynn and
I were modeling.
Speaker 2: No big deal, No big deal.
Speaker 3: If l she wins a Natty, you send that receipt
and they'll give you your money back. Yeah, I see
Natty back guarantee shout out.
Speaker 8: So he did.
Speaker 4: He is fully on the L s U bus and
has been for years now, but he's a.
Speaker 8: A U T fan.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask how he feels about arch maning,
because like right now in studio, they just showed some
clips from the game against UTAP and.
Speaker 8: It doesn't look yeah I know.
Speaker 3: And they were talking to Jordan Rodgers and look to
Jordan's credit Jordan was one of the few media members
that came out at the beginning of the seasons like guys,
like we're talking about first team. He was the Sporting
News first team quarterback on the All American team. The
Sporting News is one of the four major All American teams,
and to Jordan's credit, he's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 2: What are we doing?
Speaker 5: I mean to him king before even being the starter.
Speaker 9: Like my point all off season was and I still
think Archer is going to be a good quarterback. But
first off, he was never going to live up to
the expectations people put on him this year, which is
a little unfair to him because he didn't ask for it.
But you're you're gonna make people hate this guy and
root for his downfall because you're hyping him up so
much and he's never even I mean, yeah, he got
two starts last year. Was it's Mississippi State who won
like three games, and then a group of five school
I mean, those those were his two starts a year ago. Sure,
he looked good, but it's a different between having a
spot start against a lower school and being the guy.
Speaker 2: And he was never the guy.
Speaker 8: Let me see, because we were actually talking about it
the other day. There's like a.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm seeing the selfie that he sent me with
the poncho shirt on. But if there's two things to
me and my dad talk his ball and probably a
little polarizing, but we talk a lot of like politics
and stuff.
Speaker 8: But we were talking.
Speaker 4: About the Arch Manning thing, and I think his thing
is it's kind of funny because you know, you see
the yips, yeah, and like pictures. Yeah, I don't ever
think I've.
Speaker 3: Seen like the cow block playing second base for the Yankees,
but you couldn't throw it to first base.
Speaker 4: I don't think I have seen a quarterback get the yips.
But that's kind of my dad's thought, like that Arch,
you put so much pressure on him, the media did,
and there's so much expects that that's hit. Like, like
I just texted him he's had mental issues. Needs to
go back to last season when he was loose and
not feeling pressure. So I think his opinion is the
same as everybody else is too, where there's so much
external pressure on him that it kind of got in
his head a little bit.
Speaker 2: And yeah, show you force the issue and you do
different things. You play outside yourself. Now I get.
Speaker 3: I actually think, like I went back and I watched
their game Monday, Sarkisian's putting him in a good spot
to be able to be successful. Like he's actually given
him an outlet on every single play, and right now
Arch is just not even seeing the outlet, like he's
not like he's putting crossers in front of his face
and Arch is throwing them in the ground or throwing
them too wide.
Speaker 4: And it's so i'd like to get just like matts
thoughts on this. I've seen a couple of play and
again this is from somebody who's never played football before,
doesn't know anything about mechanics or throws or anything. But
I have seen a couple of clips on like Twitter,
YouTube or whatever where they're saying he's throwing kind of
like side armed and it looks like it's regressing. Yeah,
it looks like for Arch, like it looks like he's
regressing in his mechanics a little bit.
Speaker 8: But again I don't know, So I would like to
get like your.
Speaker 2: Let me address what you said about the yips. Yeah,
now the yips, like for we all kind of heard
the term like putters get it in golf. Yeah, they
just overthink it. So the yips is overthinking. It's something
that's complicated, like a fine motor skill situation or a
very thoughtful situation. You're overthinking it and you can't get
past this mental hurdle. Yip says, a quarterback is never
really mechanical. Yeah, it's all mental and vision. So like
when you get the yips as a quarterback, when things start,
when things start going bad, like your vision starts to
narrow and you don't go through your progressions. You don't
see the defense as well. And I've been there, Like,
get a practice, I've been there. In a game, like
when things aren't going well, you start pressing a little bit,
you start aiming the ball and you start trying not
to make a mistake. But when you do that, it
narrows the field your vision. And we always talk about
how you start a game with a young quarterback is
you get completions, and every time you get a completion,
that vision widens a little bit. Another one it widens
a little bit more. Then at some point, when a
quarterback gets into the air quote quote unquote, like gets
into a rhythm, you're seeing the entire field like you're
seeing the progressions you're reading the defenses, just like your
coach has told you. But when chaos is happening around
you physically, but also the pressure that's being put on you,
chaos is happening mentally, spiritually, emotionally, everything. I can only
imagine how much he's pressing and how much he cannot
see because that and it's nothing on him. And I
heard you when I walked in back in the room,
like you're talking about how unfair it is the pressure
putting on to him because he's in a no win situation.
It was like, is he overrated? Overrated? Well, technically yeah,
because we raised him.
Speaker 9: So hard, right, first team All American before he ever started, man,
like he was never going to live up to the.
Speaker 2: X oh boy had him like a mock draft number
one in the draft. Like it is so unfair. Yeah,
I think the kid can be good. I think he
can be really good. They gotta let him play.
Speaker 4: Honestly, would we even be saying that he's overrated right now,
given how he's played three games into the season right exactly,
Like we would probably just be like he's an okay quarterback.
Speaker 9: He's a first year starter, and it's hard to play
quarterback but look at Week one, like we had talked
about this, right, quarterbacks that went on the road week
one in their first game were awful. Arch was bad,
Ty Simpson was bad. Like they had They don't have
any experience playing quarterbacks hard. You were talking about the yips,
like we keep using that where I can give you
a great example. Remember Sam Darnold in New York. There's
all that pressure on him. The team around him was awful.
He had never been a starter. He got thrown in
there as a rookie. And remember he was really honest
with the media, and everybody craped on him for it
because he was talking about you see a ghost out
there at times, like I was taking sacks when I
shouldn't have. It wasn't seeing anything. He moves on, he
gets a little bit more experienced. Jurnal's a good NFL
quarterback now, ye, I mean he had to go through
you do.
Speaker 2: And a lot of times with the quarterbacks too, you
get the you get the yips, especially if you have
another element with your feet and your legs, but you
rely on that a lot. So what happens when that
when you want to rely on your legs because it's
a safe place for a quarterback they can run. You
look at one receiver and then you don't look at
the dbs after that, after your first read, you look
down to see if any colors flashing on the other team.
That's going to give you a lane to run right.
And when they don't do that, then you can't look
You can't look up and look down, then look back
up your toast. You're done. So they try to rely
on I think that's probably what he's getting into is
he wants to be able to go make a play
with his feet, because at that point you're playing backyard ball.
You can just let the talent flow.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll step away, close out hour number two
of OTV when we come.
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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Burnt CD Hall of Fame by the way. Yeah,
you can keep this on for sure. Hey, did y'all
see Dabba completely crash out yesterday? Crash It was.
Speaker 4: Like another Tyler from Spartanburg situation where he's like, I
win if y'all.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not wrong, he's like.
Speaker 5: Those crash out. It's like for for a guy, I'll
go do somewhere else.
Speaker 2: You go lucky.
Speaker 5: He has an awesome crashout.
Speaker 2: Good, tell me you're insecure without saying you're for sure.
Speaker 3: For sure, here's the thing that he has to understand.
And this is a credit to Clemson. They are now
in the club of Alabama, Ohio State l s U. Georgia,
where for a long time it was a verb because
you found ways to lose games. Clemsoning was a verb, right,
people talked about it. Well, now you're you're a pillar
of college football. And when you're a pillar, when things
are going great, they're high highs. When things are going bad,
you're held to a different standard, a standard that oftentimes
is unfair. Ryan Day went through it last year, well,
the last couple of years.
Speaker 2: Forty one one.
Speaker 3: Right, Coach O wins the national championship, maybe the best
college football team we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: A year and half later, he's gone.
Speaker 3: That's just what it is in places like that, there's
like five of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clemson's in that club now.
Speaker 4: It did have some Mike Gundy vibes because he's like,
I'm fifty five.
Speaker 8: He's like, I'm fifty five. I'm not going to the
beach or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Clemson's tired of winning, they can send me
on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else. And
Coach I ain't going to the beach. Hell, I'm fifty five.
I got a long way to go. The credit credit to.
Speaker 5: Dubbin for getting Clemson where they are.
Speaker 9: But all he does is, look, how about this program
was before I got there, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've been there a while while it's been
a minute, Like stop flashback and dude our three would
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Speaker 1: Off the bench,