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Speaker 1: All Star Toyota presents Off the Bench with Jacob Hester

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and Matt Flynn.

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Speaker 2: Okay, here we go where the.

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Speaker 1: Plays get broken down and science gets denied to.

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Speaker 2: Come off the bench.

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Speaker 1: Hour two of Off the Bench Live from downtown Baton

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Rouge starts.

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Speaker 2: An Now, all right, welcome back you.

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Speaker 3: In hour number two ot B Wednesday morning, Jake flann

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elandre tte here with you.

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Speaker 2: We're talking a.

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Speaker 3: Little LSU run game during the break. There obviously something

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a lot of people want to talk about. You know,

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have a lot of conversations about the offensive line and

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when you look at the analytics of the offensive line,

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one of the highest graded pass protection units not only

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in the SEC, but in the entire country. Now, a

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year ago kind of the same story, right, you had

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really good pass protection and run blocking was something we

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talked a lot about, like for this offensive line, you know,

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and you're getting the body hands pretty quick, they're forgetting

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and smart. We talked about that. You know, whatever's going

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on with this Torso injury right now, you're not you know,

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pushing the ball down the field.

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Speaker 2: We use the stat. We looked up the stat.

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Speaker 3: We charged at the stat thirty four yards through the air, yesterday,

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so you know that helps you. But still this this

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unit's been really good. I don't see it as a

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talent issue. Like it's not an issue where guys are

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losing their individual matchups in the run game. It's not like,

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oh this guy, look, the defensive lineman just walking him back.

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He's basically on heay skates right now instead of cleats

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and pushing back into the running back. I think it's

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some of the schematics of the offense because some of

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these runs, and Matt, you were talking about like, it's

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like you got an RPO situation, so do you want

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to show them, Yeah, we can, that's fine. Some of

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it is trying to be perfect in the run game

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and what I mean by that, And Matt showed me

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this over the weekend, and he's exactly right, Like and

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when I say robotic, it's like, okay, well, we've got

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this defensive lineman and we're comboing up to the linebacker

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and the tackles trying to basically block the defensive lineman

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for the guard and then try to at the last

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minute get up to his linebacker and by then it's

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too late. Like if you have a combo block it's

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like the guard tackle, got a boom, got it all right, cool,

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second level and just not getting to that second level

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fast enough right now. And so what you have is

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you have a linebacker that is right there, he's in

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the gap, he's coming downhill. The running back sees that,

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he sees color flash and so he's either bouncing it

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or he's just saying, well, they gotta put my head

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down and try to get two yards. So those things

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I do think are fixable, and you got to get

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him fixed, and you got to get him fixed here

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pretty quick.

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Speaker 2: But one of the.

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Speaker 3: Plays, I'm sitting here and I'm just watching the end

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zone copy, watching the end zone copy, and I'm like, well,

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you know, look, look, look, look, look, but if you

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zoom out and.

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Speaker 2: You get yeah, Taylor, go ahead and pull us up.

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We got a clip. This is from early in the

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first quarter too, So we are running right here. They're

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in a three down look right now. So they gotta

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when the defensive tackles over the center like this, it's

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called a zero, So he's zero shade, zero knows whatever.

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He's head up on the on the defensive tackle. So

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we're running a zone into tight endside and you watched

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this play out nowhere for the running back to go.

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This is one of those plays. I was like, man,

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sent it to Jake. I was like, man, this right tackle.

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ninety four. He's not getting up to his assignment. He's

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not getting up to zero. Yeah, he just he needs

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to give them a little presence and then get up

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to zero because that's his guy. And who makes the block,

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who makes the tackle?

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Speaker 2: Zero zero. And I'm sitting there watching two, I'm like,

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what got him go? And that's the easy thing to

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look at when you're watching these tight copy's, like, man,

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right tackles messed up. He did it, he did it.

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has to get on him, like zero is his guy.

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whole story of the play. So we're gonna go to

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the wide copy and I we're just gonna we're gonna

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play it once, just play it through, then ell we

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one and see what anybody notices.

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Speaker 3: All right about this laundre tate. Y'all watching listen to

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us on radio. Oh, it's the same play, it's just

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Speaker 2: It's just a zoomed out vertist. So it's the wide

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copy of the version. So what we what do we

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have here? What kind of concept? We have an RPO,

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a two wide receiver RPO system. So what can the

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offensive lineman not do here?

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Speaker 3: They, Matthew, cannot go downfield, can't go because there is

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a possibility that behind them, which they don't have eyes

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in the back of their head. Garrett Nosmeyer could throw

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either the five yard hitch or the flat route to

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Speaker 2: Yep, they have the and this is a three step

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route concept. Like a lot of times RPOs are basically

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one step like now timing, So it doesn't matter if

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the linemen are getting down the field. So the right

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tackle cannot do the job that he is supposed to

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do or needs to do on his zone play, which

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is basically just give a left hand to help his

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left guard, give a left hand to that defensive tackle

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and go to the linebacker immediately. So when we see

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a lot of this stuff happening now, RPO is a weapon.

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An RPO is a weapon that you can use. It's

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a tool that offenses can use and do use all

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over the country very successfully, and it keeps the defense

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on his toes. It always gives you an answer. But

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this right here shows you a glaring weakness is to

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RPO systems, not just for Lsue, for everybody that runs it.

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Offensive linemen cannot get down the field. I think early

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on in the RPO days, that call wasn't made a lot. No,

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it wasn't, but coach Saman talked about that a lot.

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an emphasis to the referees to call the illegal lineman downfield.

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So when we watch clips and you're like, man, that

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right tackle or that left guard or whoever, they're not

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doing their job. They got to get up. You have

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to look at the totality of the play and we

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don't know what they're being coached, but we can assume

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what they're being coached is you can't get down field

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because there's a three step route combination behind it. And

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what does it do? It MUCKs up everything for when

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things like this happen. When you have a good defensive

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line like Florida does, and they can stonewall and they

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can position like they're these guys are disciplined rushers, they're

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disciplined defensive lineman. So they're if they think it's going

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to be a run play, they think that offensive lineman

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has a run block, they're gonna sit there, they're gonna

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straight arm him, and they're gonna look to like throw

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the the lineman left right depending like to play the run,

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and that's what they do. So there's I mean, if

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you're running back there, I mean, where are you running?

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should have got to zero. I think he's looking to

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the left. He didn't really see because they're motioning Bauer

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not I think his eyes are a little bit wrong.

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take the RPO off this seventy five zero, yeah, seventy five,

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your left hand is on ninety four as you're hauling

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ass to block zero.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go back to the wide shot. And that's a difference.

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right now and he's not even thinking about the r

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like right behind that if you're going to run the

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RPO stuff, I mean, either one of these receivers at

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the bottom of your screen. Right, that's an easy completion

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for a first down there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, but he's probably taught and too high.

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You're not throwing and it is too even though there

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are guys technically open whatever. But yeah, just tough. Like

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so when you're looking and you're you're grading people, you're

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grading tackle. So right tackle in a PFF grading system

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might have gotten a deduction there, yeah, yeah, and he

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probably shouldn't have. Yeah, right, So you just have to if, like,

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like we said, if you're going to call something out

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on the team, especially team that we all care about,

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we need to be able to like kind of show

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why and kind of talk through it. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Some of the questions are they supposed to hold the

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spot I mean right there? Because you can't be downfield

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and you don't have fast flow from the defensive lineman,

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it's hard to tell the right tackle to to really

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get to engage with the defensive lineman, because then if

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it does turn into a run, what's gonna happen What happened?

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Zero is gonna add himself, He's gonna basically be unblocked away.

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Speaker 2: Actually, So I was never a part of an offense

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like in depth, that had this type of RPO system

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attached to it. Mine was always kind of like the

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more now throws, Like, if I know I'm throwing to it,

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it's a one step behind the line of scrimmage. It's

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a bubble route, it's a one step slant, it's something

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right over the middle. It wasn't never like there's a

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literal route concept behind a behind a run play. Yeah.

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imagine that the coaching for the offensive lineman is like

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a two count kind of like a screen like in screens.

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three and a half like four count screen, like I

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would imagine RP like your two counts and then up

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his eyes were still wrong. Yeah, I don't even think

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he was thinking about zero. But it just kind of

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goes to show you, like the RPO blocking is different. Man,

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Like if you're if you're coming in, you're and you're

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frustrated watching the running game, and you're like, man, they

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got to get their asses off the ball. They got

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to get to the Lineberdyes, they got to get to the

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second level. You have to look at the whole play

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in the totality, and you can't just poo poo on

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on RPOs because they are a tool and they are

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a weapon, but they're not an offensive philosophy. They are

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a tool to be used within the game, not every time,

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but I'm saying what we do, we don't do it

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every time. But like when you see that, you're like, many,

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why can't we get any movement? That's a penalty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be a situation where you just you

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take the r p O off of it and early

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in the game you're trying to establish.

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Speaker 2: It because that's that displays eleven over eleven minutes left

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in the first quarter, just super early on absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So, uh, just a couple of things, a couple of

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things to look for and the LSU ring actually I

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mean pull up the I think it's.

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Speaker 2: The first run.

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Speaker 3: Pull up the first run that LSU had where they

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had it was like a four yard run, five yard

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run you got. You know, you're ahead of schedule there,

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and it's you know, it's one little step here, one

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false step here, and like those are the things that

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we're talking about. And so again, it's not like you're

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just getting blown off the ball. It's not that you

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can't block your guy. It's even when you're blocking your guys,

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like it's just one step and you can pull up

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Matt's screen again, you can go to the end zone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you've watched the wide cop it's an RB again,

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Speaker 3: They see lateral movement in the north south movement.

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Speaker 2: But still they are getting they are getting movement though

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on this one, like I would left guard does a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if so for everyone listening on radio. The

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center has a zero nose right in front of him

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for us, and he was a little bit nervous to

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take a real open lead step because I guess he

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didn't want to get beat back door. But he has

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to know that he's got left guard help. He can

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be aggressive with his right leg. He can open up

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because you're blocking to a spot. He should have ninety

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five hooked right now. But you can tell he's worried

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about maybe a back door a gap, but he has

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to trust his left guard that he's going to be there.

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And if the guy tries to back door this run play,

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he now gets taken by sixty five all mobing at

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the left guard and he's gonna get then, and then

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he doesn't worry about it anymore. Then he's going straight

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to twenty nine Here at the linebacker position, that's where

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the trust has to come in, right, You're trusting your

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guard is going to take over any back door a

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gap type cut situation, and you're moving forward and.

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Speaker 2: Watch these guys make it calls to watch the offensive

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lineman to this. How much communication goes on because it's

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a shade nose. They're all talking to each other. They're saying,

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I got the shade nose. You got to work up

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and like they're they're making calls. So if this defensive

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lineman would have been lined up here, that's the difference

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between interest. If he would have been lined up here,

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which would have been like a shade of one technique.

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The center would have made a different call, and the

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center would have worked up to twenty nine and the

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left guard would have tried to hook. Yeah, and you're saying, okay,

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this is a good first play though. The left guard

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does a great job of giving presents and getting up

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to twenty nine does a really good job. It kind

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of works that like two count, I was just talking

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about a little bit better to count then work up

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left guard. People are gonna watch this be like, come on,

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left tackle, get the block because it's his guy in

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ninety four then isn't making tackle? Left tackle does a

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really good job here. Yeah, Like that's this is a

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tough leverage. You see that's a four, so that's very

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tough of it. So he's got to try to beat him.

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He gets enough stink on him that we get three

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four yards. He actually did a good job and a

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really tough look right there for that left tackle. Yep,

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I would agree. There's actually a nice cut by Cayden

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to seeing the You can just see the difference of

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run blocking in an RPO system, an RPO game, Like

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these guys there, they are not going down the field

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and that left guard does a good job. They're really

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good play all right.

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Speaker 3: So the whole reason to bring it up, if you're

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going to say, okay, the run game, the run game,

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the run game, well, here's some of the reasons I

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think in the run game, and it's an offensive line

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that I actually do think has the ability to not

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only improve but be much better in the run game.

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And I think some of those situations, some of the

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different play designs that you're run in. They're running way

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more outside zone this year than they ever have before.

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It's not that far away, but it certainly needs to

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continue to be worked only.

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Speaker 2: I think there's still a lot of positive takeaways from it.

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And again this isn't like saying we should or shouldn't

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do something as far as like schematically, because the r

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PO is a is proven to be weapon and a

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very big benefit. They bring the right coverage, you can

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cash a team. Yeah, but there's some give and take

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that you have to do because of how it's being

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reffed now compared to how it's being refed a couple

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of years ago.

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Speaker 3: Uh Matt Matt c says, I feel like Cayden could

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have bounced that outside and tried to make the linebacker

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man a psych in hindsight, maybe first play the game.

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First the game though, and you got six yards. Now

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you're second and four. You love it, So that's a

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great nay I run and that's what you're going to do.

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Speaker 2: So but yeah, there's always like there's always something in

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every single because it's eleven, it's eleven players versus eleven.

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There's always something like you can nitpick every single play.

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You should have done this, could have done that, and yeah,

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but like first play, you gotta like emotions are super high.

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You know, a play is supposed to do something. They're

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not a lot of crazy ad living. It's happened, happening

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on first plays of the game.

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Speaker 3: No, and you get six yards on the first play

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of the game. Yeah, we'll take second and four and

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that's a that's a good run by Cayden there. So, uh,

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just a little breakdown of you know some things in

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the run game right now and again.

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Speaker 2: I do the there's place to be made.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if LSU continues to develop that because more consistent,

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not saying you hadn't had big plays, but you got

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to be more consistent. And certainly there's a point of emphasis.

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You can tell to have it on the place sheet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of there's a lot

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of juice you have to be squeezed in this on

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this run game, for sure.

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Speaker 3: All right, I'll take a break. When we come back.

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Doctor Stephen Ethridge will join us here in studio.

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Speaker 2: What we do watching screens?

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Speaker 3: Getting you keep it so fat with your swing honey buns.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Yeah o TV.

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Speaker 3: I'm sad Dr Adwards shouldn't have headphones because he's around

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the same age as we are, and I think he

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would appreciate R and B Wednesdays.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I'm missing it here.

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Speaker 2: Great. They call those those discos with the headsets.

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Speaker 4: I've never been to one, but my grandparents bar did

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one like during COVID or whatever.

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Speaker 8: They had everybody with the headphones and.

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Speaker 2: We did one one time and it was hilarious. Like

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you're doing and you're feeling the music is good, headset

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and you take them off and everybody's just looking like idiots.

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That's great, that's so good. Look, we look like idiots

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all the time, so it's fine. Uh dtr athwurs. What's

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going on? How we doing?

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Speaker 7: I'm doing well? How about y'all?

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Speaker 2: Uh doing? Okay?

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Speaker 3: We talked about turf toe last or two weeks ago,

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and unfortunately I think we we might have jinked our.

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Speaker 2: Guy Joey b Gosh.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 3: We talked about like turftw like what is turf toe?

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And we talked about it and you're like, well, there's

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this one case where you've got the surgery and you

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can miss like three months and that's like the worst case,

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and that's what Joey, Yeah, he has.

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Speaker 2: Hey, can you give us like a just like a

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brief Oh, I know, we talked about it in depth.

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Couple ways on like kind of brief overview of what

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kind of happens to the foot when it gets to

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the stage of having to have surgery. Yeah, if you.

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Speaker 6: Look at at the play that had happened, I mean,

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if you watch that play, it didn't look that bad.

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I went back and looked at it, and you know,

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if anything, I'd have been worried about his right foot.

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He had the defender on the back kind of fell

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on the right foot if he saw it. But his

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left foot is the one that was injured. And if

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you go back and watch, you can kind of see

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where his foot get kind of flexed over the front

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of it. That big toe is down and the whole

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foot kind of comes over the top and just probably

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just kind of caught in the turf just right. And

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and what happens in his case is he tore you know,

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knowing it's a great that can sometimes mean a few

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different things, but he tore basically part of that ligament

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under the toe, and it's where the foot connects the

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big toe. The ligament usually tears off of the toe portion,

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so the distal portion rips off and you have to

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go back and reattach it.

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Speaker 7: Sometimes you can have other injuries with that sometimes, like.

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Speaker 6: You can get a little piece of cartilage that comes off,

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or you have these little bones that are called your

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sesimoids that can sometimes fracture with it, and that can

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complicate it further. You know, I'm not sure as far

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as which version of that he had, but we would

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assume at the very minimum he had that distal ligament

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pull off, because I they're going to go in and

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fix it. Yeah, that's kind of kind of what we know,

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at least at the very minimum.

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Speaker 2: What's the rehab like for that.

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Speaker 6: So so normally, you know, you have the surgery, you

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get repaired, You're gonna be in a boot or a

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cast or something like that for the first few weeks,

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probably have non weight bearing for at least a couple

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of weeks on some crutches. After a couple of weeks,

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maybe with a really rigid, you know, walking boot, he

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can start walking on it. You're looking at a few

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weeks to let that ligament really heal in, and then

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you got to kind of get the strength back. You

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got to be able to push off it, you gotta

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be able to plant with it. You know, I'd say

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at least two to four weeks non weight bearing, another

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two to four weeks after that, where you can start

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walking on it and start your light rehab, and then

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you just slowly progress from there.

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Speaker 2: Is the foot in this type of injury something that

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the stem cell world would kind of help this type

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of injury?

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Speaker 6: You know, it's a good question in traditional medicine. You know,

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that's not something that we would typically do, you know,

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ten years ago obviously, so is it something that would

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help you know, it depends on your perspective.

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Speaker 7: I think it would.

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Speaker 6: It's an area that I have a lot of passion

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and we've talked about us in the past weeks. How

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much though, I don't know, because you've got to get

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that ligament to really heal into the bone. So it's

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great to say, hey, it might get there quicker. You know,

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you'll hear about people doing hyperbarycks. You hear about people

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doing you know, red light bone stimulators, supplementation, stem cells.

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Speaker 7: I think all these things have a place that we

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don't know for sure.

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Speaker 6: Right You're still figuring out is it going to be

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something that gets you better a week earlier, a month earlier,

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And that's a lot we still don't know where I

475
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,880
don't think we're gonna move the needle drastically. But you know,

476
00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,799
my way of thinking is you watch the way they're recovering,

477
00:22:03,799 --> 00:22:06,039
and then you start looking for where you can optimize.

478
00:22:06,079 --> 00:22:07,640
If there's an area that still just seems to be

479
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,559
lagging behind, maybe that's when I kind of try to

480
00:22:09,559 --> 00:22:10,200
cater the treatment.

481
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 2: Now, if there's anybody out there that's like denying if

482
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,480
themselves work, they're crazy, because like I've felt them firsthand

483
00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:17,119
that they do work. I think it's probably trying to

484
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,720
figure out like the timing of when to do that.

485
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,519
So is it something that is a standard practice for

486
00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:27,240
like a post surgery recovery to go those types of

487
00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:30,000
treatments or is it based like I use it with

488
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,680
something that nothing else was working for a pain spot

489
00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,920
and then that that did work now just a recovery

490
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,000
from a surgery. Is that a practice that people.

491
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 6: Are using in some scenarios it is. I wouldn't say

492
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,920
it's standard of care. I would not say that that's

493
00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:48,480
especially not trying to be whatever in certain portions of life.

494
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,359
If if I have an injury like that, do I

495
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,759
need to get better? Does it make a difference if

496
00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:53,519
I get better in six weeks or eight weeks, probably not.

497
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:55,519
You know, I'm still baby stated to do my job.

498
00:22:55,799 --> 00:22:58,279
Whereas if it's a Joe Burrow, we can get back

499
00:22:58,279 --> 00:22:59,559
in the field two weeks or that might be the

500
00:22:59,559 --> 00:23:01,920
difference in the playoffs and not and what have you.

501
00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 7: So so some of we have to consider.

502
00:23:03,759 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 6: That's why it's not probably become standard care because they

503
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:09,240
are expensive, and look, for me, it wouldn't really matter.

504
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 7: They have that reputation.

505
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,839
Speaker 6: But I think you're right, you know, it's it's something

506
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:17,960
that we don't know for sure win to app apply it.

507
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,279
I think for me, the best application is the examples

508
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,720
y'all gave where it's this guy has a chronic injury

509
00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:23,480
that's not getting better.

510
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 7: We've tried all the traditional stuff.

511
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,160
Speaker 6: That's why I know it's a good option, or at

512
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,920
least feel very confident is a good option. And these

513
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,680
post surgical things, you know, if you think about it,

514
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:33,880
you have a lot of blood flow in circulation right

515
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,480
after surgery.

516
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:35,759
Speaker 7: At least this is the way I look at it.

517
00:23:35,759 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 6: So if you think about do you need to do

518
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,359
it right after surgery, maybe not, but maybe that phase

519
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:41,759
you know a few weeks down the road when things

520
00:23:41,759 --> 00:23:42,480
are slowing down.

521
00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:43,559
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the right time.

522
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 6: Certain surgeries, especially like bone fractures, will sometimes you know,

523
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,039
they'll do different procedures at the time of surgery, so

524
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:51,640
there are there are different avenues for this. We're still

525
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,559
just figuring it out.

526
00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 2: All right.

527
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: So obviously doctor answers, he can't come here and he

528
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,599
can't talk specific injuries with certain players, But I want

529
00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:01,559
to ask you you you know, being on the broadcast,

530
00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:03,400
we're always like, all right, the player A is in

531
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,079
the tent, player A is out.

532
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: Of the tent.

533
00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 3: Oh, player as going back in the tent. What is

534
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:10,720
the process for you? And again like I don't I'm

535
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,839
not asking for any specific player, but when y'all go

536
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,319
inside the tent, right, it's like, you know, you and

537
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,240
other people, trainers and the player obviously right there, Like

538
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,920
what do you need to get done? And what decides

539
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,839
if a player needs to go into the tent or not?

540
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,160
Because I've seen y'all have an injury and not go

541
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:27,960
into the tent.

542
00:24:28,319 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of times, you know, it starts a

543
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,319
little bit you on the field assessment. And we've been

544
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,480
very fortunate my whole time here. We've always had a

545
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,720
great medical staff, great athletic trainers. They're kind of the

546
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,680
first ones out there when y'all se those people who

547
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,640
a rushing out, that's gonna be our trainers. They're gonna

548
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,240
do a quick assessment on the field and see what

549
00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,359
they think. Usually we're going to kind of follow up

550
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,759
and if it's something on the field that we need

551
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,519
need to assess there, is it okay to move the athlete?

552
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:50,880
Do we need to get them in the tent? Those

553
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,680
types of questions we start asking. You know, we've gotten

554
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,359
a little more advanced the past few years. We wear

555
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,160
these these fun little head pieces and all that, and

556
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,799
so we'll kind of let the sideline know like, yeah,

557
00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:00,799
we're going in the tent. And really I think it

558
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,920
borders down to do we need to do a further

559
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,119
assessment if we know the answer on the field, and

560
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,960
let's just say you kind of got the wind knocked

561
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,079
out of you, maybe you stepped a little funny in

562
00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:12,319
your ankle, kind of you felt something, but now it's fine,

563
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:13,960
We're probably not going to bring you in the tent.

564
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:15,759
But if it's something that's going to require really a

565
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:18,839
further assessment, we're probably gonna bring you in the tent.

566
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,319
You know, and even things, you know, in past years,

567
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,079
we've kind of learned that we have a lot of

568
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:26,599
eyes on us and and sometimes something that probably doesn't

569
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,119
need to go in the tent, we're going to take

570
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,079
in the tent more so just being blunt like a

571
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:32,720
CYA type thing. You know, we've learned that that, you know,

572
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,319
I feel very confident in our medical crew.

573
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,319
Speaker 2: They do a great job.

574
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,599
Speaker 6: But but you know, you don't want to bring you know, undo,

575
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:40,319
I guess criticism.

576
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 7: You don't want to do that.

577
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 6: So sometimes it's more of a said, yeah, sometimes it's that,

578
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,400
but you also want to be able to get assessment

579
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,119
without having to worry about, you know, having all the

580
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,119
stylent reporters and everybody that's there and cameras.

581
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,400
Speaker 7: Are on you, right, I know that guy forty Rushes

582
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:53,000
of the world.

583
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: Is there anything done more than just assessment in the tent?

584
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,240
So like when we were in the Ark, I saw

585
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,920
a game in two thousand and seven, I had to

586
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,200
go to the locker room twice during that game to

587
00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:06,039
get just a little tune up of Lyda Kane and

588
00:26:06,079 --> 00:26:08,680
the old shoulder. Is there anything like, like, is there

589
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,279
actual stuff being physically done outside of an assessment.

590
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 7: It's mostly assessment.

591
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 6: If there is some type of a treatment that we

592
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,599
can do on the sideline, we might consider doing that.

593
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 7: You know, we're pretty limited with what we can do there.

594
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 6: You know, if it's something where we're really worried, we

595
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,680
probably bring it into the locker room too, or if

596
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,240
we need to get X rays for example, or if

597
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,680
it's something like that. That's a lot of times while

598
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,160
you see us taking them in the locker room. There

599
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,920
are things you can do in a tent, but but

600
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,400
obviously you're even with the protection of that, you are

601
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,680
a little bit limited. Even something as simple as an IV.

602
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,200
We have to ask ourselves. You know, I've done a

603
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,119
couple of v's and guy's cramping in the tent, so

604
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,759
we might do that. But on the other hand, you

605
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:44,480
have a more controlled environment in the locker room. Do

606
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,200
we have the time to go in there that that's

607
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,640
that's usually the big question.

608
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:53,279
Speaker 3: And no, no cramps fail issue though, beause they're hydrated.

609
00:26:54,319 --> 00:27:01,759
So disclaimer, doctor, we're talking about in past year, it's

610
00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:02,319
been a while.

611
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 2: Talking about a decade ago.

612
00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 3: Again, not talking anything specific here, but how many TORSO

613
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,200
questions have you answered over the last twenty four hours.

614
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 7: You know, It's it's funny. I got I got a text,

615
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,759
and you're going over the entire chart.

616
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 6: So I get a text from a friend of mine

617
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,039
and he said, so, what's the torso urgent or something

618
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:22,759
about torcho injury.

619
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 7: I'm like, why is he asking me this? Because I

620
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,200
hadn't I hadn't heard any of the press conference like that.

621
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,839
Speaker 6: And it literally was like I'm like and I even respond,

622
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:29,519
I'm like, I don't know what you're talking about. And

623
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:31,640
then of course I heard later on that afternoon and

624
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,720
there had been some mention of torso injuries around campus. Uh,

625
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:37,920
you know the torso injuries are it's such a big area.

626
00:27:38,039 --> 00:27:40,160
You know, you're really basically talking about anything lower than

627
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,799
the neck, basically down through the pelvis. That's a lot

628
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,640
of volume, a lot of area that we can talk about. So,

629
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,240
I mean, if I guess we want to keep things vague,

630
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:49,000
it's a good way to do so, you know, because

631
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:53,200
it can include things like muscle strains, rib injuries, technically

632
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,000
a back injury. I think I heard you on the

633
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:58,119
radio talking about a sports herney that would technically classify

634
00:27:58,279 --> 00:27:59,880
as a I I was wondering.

635
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:01,759
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, does that count as a torso

636
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:04,079
because like you always hear people talk like I never

637
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:05,799
had one, but I you know, hear people talk about

638
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:06,559
that all the time.

639
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,519
Speaker 6: I think, you know, if you want to be about technical,

640
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,759
really it's anything from like I said, the upper chest

641
00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:13,519
to the pelvis and uh sports herney as a pelvis injury.

642
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,400
So so there's a lot of things that you can

643
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,920
be encompassed in that uh and and and again that

644
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,559
some of them serious, some of them not and and

645
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:22,160
and some of them are gonna be kind of lingering,

646
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,920
nagging problems. You know, when when you're talking about you know,

647
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,960
obviously we know that we're talking about a position here

648
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,799
with our quarterback, and anything that involves twisting or torn

649
00:28:29,839 --> 00:28:32,599
in the torso if you're if you're at the quarterback,

650
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,839
you gotta throw the ball. That's that's gonna be tough,

651
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,119
you know, and account for that. You can imagine how much.

652
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: Any thrower, swinger, kicker, golf like anything that's rotational, anything

653
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:45,640
that has to do with that torso is going to

654
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,519
be a huge impact.

655
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 7: It's gonna be tough.

656
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,599
Speaker 6: And then you even think about the regular day to

657
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,599
day you cough, you sneeze, you take a deep breath,

658
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,480
you have to.

659
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 7: Get out of a recliner when you're watching TV.

660
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:54,519
Speaker 2: When you're it's like.

661
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 6: Living so so so these are things you know, you

662
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,559
do your bes to manage, and depending on the injury,

663
00:29:01,599 --> 00:29:03,240
there's there's things that can be done. You know, we've

664
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,480
talked about different injections to try and help things heal

665
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,559
some of the stem cells and things like that. Sometimes

666
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:10,599
it's about pain control, you know, little anti inflammatory mentioned.

667
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:12,519
Sometimes there are times would use light of cane for

668
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,319
certain injuries. We've had guys with rib fractures where we'll

669
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,160
do a little nerve block or things like that to

670
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,000
help with that pain. You know, there's a lot of

671
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,839
things you can do, but they're gonna be nagging injuries.

672
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,759
These are gonna be tough injuries. You know, it's especially

673
00:29:23,759 --> 00:29:24,640
in that type of position.

674
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:26,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, And one of the things like you don't even

675
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:29,119
think about with like any injury like that. I remember

676
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,759
I had like a lower abnomal like strain one time,

677
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,119
Like I remember what year it was, and I can

678
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,960
just remember like I would be sitting down and I'd

679
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
let it, you know, I wouldn't be stretched out. Then

680
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:41,319
all of sudden I get up out of a chair

681
00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:43,359
and I just like, you know, arch my back a little.

682
00:29:43,119 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: Bit and it would just burn.

683
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because I was sitting and I was kind

684
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:48,960
of crouched over and then when I got up and

685
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,799
I kind of like fully elongated, and it was It's brutal.

686
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,559
It's that first time you kind of stretch it out,

687
00:29:53,559 --> 00:29:54,960
You're gonna feel it a lot, and it's kind of

688
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,599
you know, that's we always about that with Planner fashion

689
00:29:56,599 --> 00:29:58,400
et us. That first step in the morning is the worst,

690
00:29:58,839 --> 00:30:00,240
you know, and you hear that, that's a tech spoke

691
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:02,119
question that the first step in the morning they felt

692
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,200
the worst pain. You know almost immediately. That's a Planner

693
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,200
fast question if you're answered.

694
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: I mean I basically had Planner fascia. I just for

695
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:07,920
so long.

696
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: Like the tennis ball that I carried with me was

697
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,279
basically my Wilson from Castleway.

698
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: I mean it was basically one with me.

699
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:16,559
Speaker 3: It was like I had it in both feet in

700
00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:19,359
the same year twenty eleven and just roll and just

701
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,920
switch to the foot and roll and one popped and

702
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,920
one didn't pop, felt better, pop felt better.

703
00:30:25,319 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: Document. I asked you a question that everybody's dying to know.

704
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,480
Have you You've seen the movie Varsity Blues. Absolutely, what

705
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,200
were they shooting into Lance Harber's knee?

706
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,519
Speaker 7: You know, that's a great question. You know, that's a

707
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:38,039
great question.

708
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 6: I've always I've actually always wondered that one as well,

709
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:41,200
you know, explode.

710
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:43,759
Speaker 7: I've not been around that one thus far. But it

711
00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,079
didn't didn't do good things.

712
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:49,839
Speaker 2: To his knee. Sounds like just some good medication to me. Yeah, anyway,

713
00:30:50,319 --> 00:30:51,720
that's what I wanted to So you don't know, I

714
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,799
don't know doing over than West Canaan. Yeah, I don't know.

715
00:30:56,079 --> 00:30:58,720
They needed you there. Hey Harbor still be playing?

716
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:00,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need have gone to floor State or State

717
00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:02,599
let's go where you played football.

718
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 6: That movie actually came out when I was in college,

719
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,279
and I remember going to the theater watching it, and

720
00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:10,240
of course I'm in Tallahassee and say place went nuts

721
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,640
when you Chowarship.

722
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:14,119
Speaker 7: That's one of those memories I have.

723
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,519
Speaker 2: Just people people went crazy. Dr Anthwurs. We appreciate your

724
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,279
time as always there my pleasure. All right, before we

725
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:22,759
take this break, I want to remind you by our

726
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:23,920
friends over at Rouss.

727
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,799
Speaker 3: Go to Rouses dot com. We'll be at Rows's there.

728
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:31,200
Burbank and Lee every single Friday during the football season,

729
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,319
So come hang out with us. It's a great way

730
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:37,200
to get your game day preparation started because you're gonna

731
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,240
be deailgating on Saturday.

732
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Come see us on Friday.

733
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: Then you can go get all your tailgating needs taken

734
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,799
care of on Friday morning before any game on Saturday.

735
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,799
Rouses dot com more OTB when we come back here

736
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,440
on one of four to.

737
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Speaker 2: Five ESPN, Benrootes, mopter Bench.

738
00:31:54,839 --> 00:31:58,759
Speaker 3: Matthew, what is better than one dose squiscis? Yeah, they

739
00:31:58,839 --> 00:32:03,359
call that going for dose. We go tailgating. If you're

740
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,519
doing it right. We always tell you you gotta get

741
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,640
the tent, you gotta get the TV, you gotta get

742
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,400
the generator, and you got to get the ice chest

743
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,079
full of ice cold do sequis. Again this weekend, I

744
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,160
had a smile from ear to ear because I was

745
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,720
walking around and somebody stopped me just to raise their

746
00:32:19,759 --> 00:32:21,559
do sequis in the air and point to it and

747
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,960
let me know that they were going for dose.

748
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good it's a good feeling to be

749
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:30,400
known as the guys with those that drink doseqis. And

750
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,559
we know we're in South Louisiana. We like to tailgate.

751
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,559
We like to hang out, have a good time, socialize

752
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,200
and whatever your life decision is to drink one, do

753
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,400
secis or tendo sekis, whatever it is, we want you

754
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,640
to do it responsibly. But if you're gonna have a beer,

755
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,039
if you're gonna delete some beers, make sure you're going

756
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:48,079
for dose, drink dose sekis and stay thirsty. My friends

757
00:32:48,079 --> 00:33:16,160
do skies. Such a.

758
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,519
Speaker 1: Locked in on LSU Football twenty four to seven. You're

759
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:25,039
listening to Off the Bench Day, All.

760
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,319
Speaker 2: Right, welcome back to you, OTB.

761
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: Alandra definitely definitely got some advice from her father.

762
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: On this one. This feels like on your dad's playlist.

763
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no I know this one. Yeah it's a hit,

764
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880
but it is a good one. Yeah, and the other

765
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,759
made a Laudra's dad. I got same R and B taste. Yeah,

766
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:46,279
this feels like he got. He's like, hey, Army Thursday,

767
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:50,359
make sure you play the hits. He's funny, he like

768
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,640
wants his own segment now. And like my mom was

769
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,319
telling me that he was hanging out in the chat

770
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:58,440
one day and everywhere, Like I guess it was the

771
00:33:58,519 --> 00:33:59,599
day that I was using.

772
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:00,559
Speaker 8: His playlist to do it.

773
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: And people were like making comments.

774
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 8: It's so funny.

775
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,039
Speaker 4: My mom said that he was like taking screenshots and

776
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:09,880
sending it to her.

777
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:14,159
Speaker 8: He's like, I guess I'm famous now. Parents are funny.

778
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,199
Speaker 3: Your old man's a Texas fan, though, right UT fan,

779
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,760
I thought, yeah, Texas house, so.

780
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,599
Speaker 4: We have fully converted him into an L s U

781
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,480
fan ever since I started going to L s U.

782
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,000
He did send me a picture he ordered the two

783
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,840
poncho shirts.

784
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 8: And I was like, make sure you keep your receipt

785
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,679
because if we win that Natty.

786
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,280
Speaker 3: Natty back guarantee on the poncho shirts that Flynn and

787
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,000
I were modeling.

788
00:34:41,159 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: No big deal, No big deal.

789
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,159
Speaker 3: If l she wins a Natty, you send that receipt

790
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,800
and they'll give you your money back. Yeah, I see

791
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:50,840
Natty back guarantee shout out.

792
00:34:51,039 --> 00:34:51,559
Speaker 8: So he did.

793
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: He is fully on the L s U bus and

794
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,719
has been for years now, but he's a.

795
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:57,599
Speaker 8: A U T fan.

796
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: I was going to ask how he feels about arch maning,

797
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,840
because like right now in studio, they just showed some

798
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,280
clips from the game against UTAP and.

799
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 8: It doesn't look yeah I know.

800
00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 3: And they were talking to Jordan Rodgers and look to

801
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,880
Jordan's credit Jordan was one of the few media members

802
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,079
that came out at the beginning of the seasons like guys,

803
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,400
like we're talking about first team. He was the Sporting

804
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,360
News first team quarterback on the All American team. The

805
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,519
Sporting News is one of the four major All American teams,

806
00:35:30,199 --> 00:35:32,599
and to Jordan's credit, he's like, what are we doing?

807
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,599
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

808
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,519
Speaker 5: I mean to him king before even being the starter.

809
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 9: Like my point all off season was and I still

810
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,880
think Archer is going to be a good quarterback. But

811
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:44,559
first off, he was never going to live up to

812
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:47,440
the expectations people put on him this year, which is

813
00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:49,719
a little unfair to him because he didn't ask for it.

814
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,320
But you're you're gonna make people hate this guy and

815
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,559
root for his downfall because you're hyping him up so

816
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:58,679
much and he's never even I mean, yeah, he got

817
00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:01,239
two starts last year. Was it's Mississippi State who won

818
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,639
like three games, and then a group of five school

819
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,400
I mean, those those were his two starts a year ago. Sure,

820
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,239
he looked good, but it's a different between having a

821
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,440
spot start against a lower school and being the guy.

822
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: And he was never the guy.

823
00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 8: Let me see, because we were actually talking about it

824
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,760
the other day. There's like a.

825
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm seeing the selfie that he sent me with

826
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:25,119
the poncho shirt on. But if there's two things to

827
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:29,360
me and my dad talk his ball and probably a

828
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,559
little polarizing, but we talk a lot of like politics

829
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:31,960
and stuff.

830
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 8: But we were talking.

831
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,079
Speaker 4: About the Arch Manning thing, and I think his thing

832
00:36:35,199 --> 00:36:37,800
is it's kind of funny because you know, you see

833
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,920
the yips, yeah, and like pictures. Yeah, I don't ever

834
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,360
think I've.

835
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,679
Speaker 3: Seen like the cow block playing second base for the Yankees,

836
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,119
but you couldn't throw it to first base.

837
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: I don't think I have seen a quarterback get the yips.

838
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,719
But that's kind of my dad's thought, like that Arch,

839
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:57,280
you put so much pressure on him, the media did,

840
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,039
and there's so much expects that that's hit. Like, like

841
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,159
I just texted him he's had mental issues. Needs to

842
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:06,119
go back to last season when he was loose and

843
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:09,920
not feeling pressure. So I think his opinion is the

844
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,039
same as everybody else is too, where there's so much

845
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,679
external pressure on him that it kind of got in

846
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:15,599
his head a little bit.

847
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,679
Speaker 2: And yeah, show you force the issue and you do

848
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:21,039
different things. You play outside yourself. Now I get.

849
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 3: I actually think, like I went back and I watched

850
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,559
their game Monday, Sarkisian's putting him in a good spot

851
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,719
to be able to be successful. Like he's actually given

852
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,800
him an outlet on every single play, and right now

853
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,119
Arch is just not even seeing the outlet, like he's

854
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,480
not like he's putting crossers in front of his face

855
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:41,440
and Arch is throwing them in the ground or throwing

856
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,239
them too wide.

857
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 4: And it's so i'd like to get just like matts

858
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,000
thoughts on this. I've seen a couple of play and

859
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:50,559
again this is from somebody who's never played football before,

860
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,440
doesn't know anything about mechanics or throws or anything. But

861
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,519
I have seen a couple of clips on like Twitter,

862
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,840
YouTube or whatever where they're saying he's throwing kind of

863
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,039
like side armed and it looks like it's regressing. Yeah,

864
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,719
it looks like for Arch, like it looks like he's

865
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,519
regressing in his mechanics a little bit.

866
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:10,519
Speaker 8: But again I don't know, So I would like to

867
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:11,320
get like your.

868
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,559
Speaker 2: Let me address what you said about the yips. Yeah,

869
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,119
now the yips, like for we all kind of heard

870
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,199
the term like putters get it in golf. Yeah, they

871
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:26,000
just overthink it. So the yips is overthinking. It's something

872
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:28,880
that's complicated, like a fine motor skill situation or a

873
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,719
very thoughtful situation. You're overthinking it and you can't get

874
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,039
past this mental hurdle. Yip says, a quarterback is never

875
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:40,320
really mechanical. Yeah, it's all mental and vision. So like

876
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,480
when you get the yips as a quarterback, when things start,

877
00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:45,440
when things start going bad, like your vision starts to

878
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:49,000
narrow and you don't go through your progressions. You don't

879
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,559
see the defense as well. And I've been there, Like,

880
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,440
get a practice, I've been there. In a game, like

881
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,480
when things aren't going well, you start pressing a little bit,

882
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,199
you start aiming the ball and you start trying not

883
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,559
to make a mistake. But when you do that, it

884
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:05,599
narrows the field your vision. And we always talk about

885
00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:07,960
how you start a game with a young quarterback is

886
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:09,840
you get completions, and every time you get a completion,

887
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,519
that vision widens a little bit. Another one it widens

888
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,320
a little bit more. Then at some point, when a

889
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,239
quarterback gets into the air quote quote unquote, like gets

890
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,760
into a rhythm, you're seeing the entire field like you're

891
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,559
seeing the progressions you're reading the defenses, just like your

892
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:27,440
coach has told you. But when chaos is happening around

893
00:39:27,519 --> 00:39:32,519
you physically, but also the pressure that's being put on you,

894
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:38,239
chaos is happening mentally, spiritually, emotionally, everything. I can only

895
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,159
imagine how much he's pressing and how much he cannot

896
00:39:41,199 --> 00:39:44,000
see because that and it's nothing on him. And I

897
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:45,519
heard you when I walked in back in the room,

898
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:48,400
like you're talking about how unfair it is the pressure

899
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,719
putting on to him because he's in a no win situation.

900
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,280
It was like, is he overrated? Overrated? Well, technically yeah,

901
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:55,199
because we raised him.

902
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 9: So hard, right, first team All American before he ever started, man,

903
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,400
like he was never going to live up to the.

904
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,639
Speaker 2: X oh boy had him like a mock draft number

905
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,400
one in the draft. Like it is so unfair. Yeah,

906
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,199
I think the kid can be good. I think he

907
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,679
can be really good. They gotta let him play.

908
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: Honestly, would we even be saying that he's overrated right now,

909
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,840
given how he's played three games into the season right exactly,

910
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,360
Like we would probably just be like he's an okay quarterback.

911
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 9: He's a first year starter, and it's hard to play

912
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,159
quarterback but look at Week one, like we had talked

913
00:40:28,159 --> 00:40:30,280
about this, right, quarterbacks that went on the road week

914
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,199
one in their first game were awful. Arch was bad,

915
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,800
Ty Simpson was bad. Like they had They don't have

916
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,920
any experience playing quarterbacks hard. You were talking about the yips,

917
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,639
like we keep using that where I can give you

918
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:43,639
a great example. Remember Sam Darnold in New York. There's

919
00:40:43,639 --> 00:40:45,840
all that pressure on him. The team around him was awful.

920
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:47,719
He had never been a starter. He got thrown in

921
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,920
there as a rookie. And remember he was really honest

922
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:51,679
with the media, and everybody craped on him for it

923
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:53,639
because he was talking about you see a ghost out

924
00:40:53,679 --> 00:40:55,320
there at times, like I was taking sacks when I

925
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,360
shouldn't have. It wasn't seeing anything. He moves on, he

926
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,760
gets a little bit more experienced. Jurnal's a good NFL

927
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,960
quarterback now, ye, I mean he had to go through

928
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,280
you do.

929
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: And a lot of times with the quarterbacks too, you

930
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,000
get the you get the yips, especially if you have

931
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:12,199
another element with your feet and your legs, but you

932
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:15,159
rely on that a lot. So what happens when that

933
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,760
when you want to rely on your legs because it's

934
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,960
a safe place for a quarterback they can run. You

935
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,400
look at one receiver and then you don't look at

936
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,679
the dbs after that, after your first read, you look

937
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,280
down to see if any colors flashing on the other team.

938
00:41:27,679 --> 00:41:29,400
That's going to give you a lane to run right.

939
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,000
And when they don't do that, then you can't look

940
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:34,199
You can't look up and look down, then look back

941
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,480
up your toast. You're done. So they try to rely

942
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:39,480
on I think that's probably what he's getting into is

943
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,199
he wants to be able to go make a play

944
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,440
with his feet, because at that point you're playing backyard ball.

945
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:44,719
You can just let the talent flow.

946
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll step away, close out hour number two

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of OTV when we come.

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Burnt CD Hall of Fame by the way. Yeah,

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you can keep this on for sure. Hey, did y'all

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see Dabba completely crash out yesterday? Crash It was.

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Speaker 4: Like another Tyler from Spartanburg situation where he's like, I

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win if y'all.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not wrong, he's like.

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Speaker 5: Those crash out. It's like for for a guy, I'll

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go do somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: You go lucky.

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Speaker 5: He has an awesome crashout.

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Speaker 2: Good, tell me you're insecure without saying you're for sure.

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Speaker 3: For sure, here's the thing that he has to understand.

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And this is a credit to Clemson. They are now

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in the club of Alabama, Ohio State l s U. Georgia,

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where for a long time it was a verb because

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you found ways to lose games. Clemsoning was a verb, right,

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people talked about it. Well, now you're you're a pillar

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of college football. And when you're a pillar, when things

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are going great, they're high highs. When things are going bad,

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you're held to a different standard, a standard that oftentimes

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is unfair. Ryan Day went through it last year, well,

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the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Forty one one.

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Speaker 3: Right, Coach O wins the national championship, maybe the best

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college football team we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: A year and half later, he's gone.

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Speaker 3: That's just what it is in places like that, there's

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like five of them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Clemson's in that club now.

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Speaker 4: It did have some Mike Gundy vibes because he's like,

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I'm fifty five.

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Speaker 8: He's like, I'm fifty five. I'm not going to the

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beach or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if Clemson's tired of winning, they can send me

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on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else. And

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Coach I ain't going to the beach. Hell, I'm fifty five.

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I got a long way to go. The credit credit to.

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Speaker 5: Dubbin for getting Clemson where they are.

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Speaker 9: But all he does is, look, how about this program

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was before I got there, Like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you've been there a while while it's been

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a minute, Like stop flashback and dude our three would

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you rather? Dear Delane, you're all coming back your way

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here on O TV.

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Speaker 1: Off the bench,