Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What's going to happen? What? Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 1: In this episode, I got my partner in crime, my
Speaker 1: co host, Lisa the Occult reject med scientist with me today.
Speaker 1: What is up, Lisa? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good.
Speaker 2: Sorry I was on me.
Speaker 3: There's a truck passing by at the same time.
Speaker 4: I'm good. I'm looking forward to this. This is a
Speaker 4: really interesting topic. I'm very very intrigued.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I'm always down to talk about some Crowley
Speaker 1: Parsons and UFOs and today to talk about that stuff.
Speaker 1: We got my boy Tim from sixth Century Podcast. Tim,
Speaker 1: please let everybody know, like what your deal is even
Speaker 1: let them know like kind of what your show's about
Speaker 1: and where they can find the links and everything for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, I'm Tim Constantine. My podcast is sixth Censory Podcast,
Speaker 2: I spell Out six six. My show is kind of
Speaker 2: a blend right now of hidden history, alternative theories, conspiracy,
Speaker 2: just that kind of stuff. And I'm on Spotify, Apple, YouTube,
Speaker 2: and Patreon. But it was just like, you know, I know,
Speaker 2: people hear this and people say this all the time,
Speaker 2: but twenty twenty sort of like changed everything for me.
Speaker 2: I know, like I'm you know, that's kind of redundant
Speaker 2: right now, but you know, it was. It was podcasts
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty that really kind of set me straight
Speaker 2: because those were the only that was the only place
Speaker 2: I was hearing the truth anywhere in the world was
Speaker 2: on podcasts in twenty twenty. So I got into this
Speaker 2: because I saw it as a forum for outlaws, and
Speaker 2: I saw that podcas casts were kind of reigniting the
Speaker 2: commerce of ideas, and I have a lot of ideas.
Speaker 2: So that's why I started my show. And also I
Speaker 2: started researching in twenty twenty because I had a lot
Speaker 2: of questions for like, because I'm seeing the world differently
Speaker 2: and I have all these questions that I'm looking for
Speaker 2: answers for and so that just kind of propelled me
Speaker 2: to start researching. And I just since twenty twenty I
Speaker 2: started researching. I just never stopped.
Speaker 1: That's great, I love it. Yeah, twenty twenty was a
Speaker 1: huge kick off a podcast. Mind myself included was in there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, oh you started yours in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I know, I'm like, I just hit my
Speaker 1: full year mark, so I had to be around there. Yeah, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, where else was there being I
Speaker 2: don't want to overuse the word truth, but where else
Speaker 2: was anybody hearing the truth from twenty twenty till almost now,
Speaker 2: but especially twenty twenty through like twenty twenty two, like
Speaker 2: it was all lie Everything outside of podcasting was lies.
Speaker 1: Well they ain't even unfortunately in podcasting. Fifty percent.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, yeah, I agree with that because yeah, I'm
Speaker 5: I'm speaking in generalities right now when I'm talking about podcasting,
Speaker 5: but you're absolutely right, like you get within podcasting, there was.
Speaker 2: Like a niche little group that I think where people
Speaker 2: were sort of kind of they didn't know if their
Speaker 2: their show was going to get shut down, and they'd
Speaker 2: say it anyway. I thought that that was a good
Speaker 2: you know, that's a good sign when these guys like
Speaker 2: when okay, you have one guy who like his YouTube
Speaker 2: just got shut down last week for saying something and
Speaker 2: he knows exactly what he said that got him kicked
Speaker 2: off YouTube, but now he's on another platform and he's like,
Speaker 2: screw it, I'm gonna say it anyway because it's the
Speaker 2: truth and I think it needs to be said. So
Speaker 2: when I saw people doing that. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I think I found some good some good stuff here.
Speaker 1: I'm on my fourth YouTube account actually.
Speaker 2: At this are you? Yeah? It was, uh can I
Speaker 2: what can I say?
Speaker 1: All right? What is it?
Speaker 2: Do you care if I say anything?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, you're fine. If it's true bad, I just
Speaker 1: won't drop it on YouTube. But no, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to send to myself for the platform. I just won't
Speaker 1: use the platform.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I was just gonna say. You know, one
Speaker 2: of my buddies who's a podcaster, got asked from YouTube
Speaker 2: for you know, uh gate, p oh yeah, pepper gate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you talk about pdf files. They get they get
Speaker 1: a little leary on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, what was it for you?
Speaker 1: You know? Almost every time that does it medical misinformation
Speaker 1: mm hmmm. And the crazy thing is it's like always
Speaker 1: in a in a I'm totally honest with you, I
Speaker 1: don't even really talk about that stuff too much too
Speaker 1: or that situation that will get you strikes. But it's
Speaker 1: like these random shows that it's like completely off topic.
Speaker 1: Somehow the guests that I have on will like have
Speaker 1: a reason, well really no reason, but somehow finds reason
Speaker 1: to throw in just a jab at that and it
Speaker 1: fucking catches it and it hits like I've had three
Speaker 1: strikes just due to William Ramsey actually believe it or
Speaker 1: not really, and it's not even covering topics on that topic.
Speaker 1: It's somehow like he you know, still likes to make
Speaker 1: comments about it constantly, which I understand. Somehow we'll bring
Speaker 1: it up like in the middle of conversation for fucking
Speaker 1: ten second strike.
Speaker 2: Mmmmm, just like like he's he's on a totally different
Speaker 2: topic and then he'll just mention something about the JAB
Speaker 2: and that that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's never no listen, I would know not
Speaker 1: even to put that on YouTube. If it was solely
Speaker 1: on that topic. I wouldn't even risk it, you know, no, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well that's I don't know. We'll see, man,
Speaker 2: maybe those days are behind us. I don't know. Like
Speaker 2: with yeah, I don't even want to.
Speaker 1: Get when the next one kicks in, then maybe the
Speaker 1: let off on the old one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a new YouTube, Papa, a new alternative to
Speaker 6: YouTube up that's actually you know, really doing something, really
Speaker 6: drawing people, really pulling numbers.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they need you know what the problem Well
Speaker 1: my opinion rumble the player sucks kind of my opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't know, just the quality isn't that good, And like, bitch,
Speaker 1: you'd for a creator. It's like I can only upload
Speaker 1: two gigs of a video, Like what the fuck I
Speaker 1: got to compress everything. It's just it's not even worth
Speaker 1: it to me. Yeah, they do need to like come
Speaker 1: up with a better, a better alternative in my opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be cool to see someone do that, maybe
Speaker 2: someone from the space, if one of us could like
Speaker 2: somehow generate the money to do that, because that's the
Speaker 2: thing that's expensive. Even just building a little app is expensive.
Speaker 2: So but they're, you know what for for the intense
Speaker 2: and purposes of this show today, they don't seem to
Speaker 2: be cracking down on the occult, not for me. Like
Speaker 2: I can talk about the occult all day long, and
Speaker 2: nobody seems to care.
Speaker 1: Say that to people, because like how will you like
Speaker 1: how do you not deal with you? Because a lot
Speaker 1: of the people that I do work with around me,
Speaker 1: like won't even mess with you too, because they can't
Speaker 1: even stay on another discount, you know whatever. They get
Speaker 1: strikes or whatever problems all the places, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you know, how do you not have problems, and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: enough of nothing when it comes to the occult, and
Speaker 1: especially if you're kind of like this is my theory,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have at it all day, real opinion.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I've come up against with the
Speaker 2: occult is like sometimes I'll manage to tick off everybody,
Speaker 2: like I'll tick off.
Speaker 1: The somebody probably flagging you than actually you too, even
Speaker 1: having a problem with you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean we're just so programmed to I
Speaker 2: mean the supernatural, which I kind of delve into that
Speaker 2: when I research the supernatural was stripped out of science.
Speaker 2: It goes way back, but it like really kicks in
Speaker 2: the gear with the Royal Society and the hux Leys
Speaker 2: and all that they you know a lot of people
Speaker 2: in Darwinism when that started getting pumped through the institutions
Speaker 2: and then it starts getting pumped out into the state
Speaker 2: education system that did its part to strip out the
Speaker 2: supernatural for science, but also the church has had the
Speaker 2: supernatural stripped out as well, and it goes way back.
Speaker 2: I mean, it goes back to I know, like even
Speaker 2: like the late sixteen hundreds you had alchemists like Johanna's
Speaker 2: Kelpus getting pushed out of Europe by the church and
Speaker 2: by the state. He had to come to Pennsylvania in
Speaker 2: the late sixteen hundreds because Pennsylvania had the loosest religion
Speaker 2: laws on the planet. So you also had that sort
Speaker 2: of oppression going on. So and it still lingers today,
Speaker 2: like I'll still have people confused about like what are
Speaker 2: you saying, because I'm taking off their modern Christian perspective
Speaker 2: and sometimes I'm taking off like the evolutionist Darwinians Darwinian
Speaker 2: perspective as well. But I'm not trying to do that.
Speaker 1: But you know, it happens everybody at the same time.
Speaker 1: It's okay, yeah, And.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know where you guys stand
Speaker 2: with the supernatural. I don't know how. I don't know
Speaker 2: if you like to go into that stuff or or what.
Speaker 1: But oh, for sure, no, I I do entertain, Uh
Speaker 1: do you entertain the paranormal? The supernatural? Probably more from
Speaker 1: an ocultist point of view, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: could look at I haven't really covered it as much
Speaker 1: as I would like on the show, but I do
Speaker 1: look at UFOs and like aliens more of a cult
Speaker 1: ideas or side effects of magic or I'll just be
Speaker 1: totally honest with you. I think it's just a it's
Speaker 1: a comic book story that occultists know they can sell.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, I think I think I
Speaker 2: have a very I think I have a parallel perspective
Speaker 2: to that, honestly, because I'm starting to see this whole
Speaker 2: disclosure UFO thing with with major major occult ties and
Speaker 2: and and I'll get I'll get into that actually, Like,
Speaker 2: but I think it's started for me. Like my research
Speaker 2: is predicated on the year nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of itthing.
Speaker 1: What's that supposedly died. I do wonder if if it's
Speaker 1: like that name just got canceled and he got reissued
Speaker 1: at different ones, you know, with something else.
Speaker 2: H Uh. Everything that I'm going to get into, occult
Speaker 2: wise kicks off in forty seven. I think that that
Speaker 2: year was If you humor me for a second, I'll
Speaker 2: talk about that year and I'll come back to crow
Speaker 2: and to your point, Yeah, he died in forty seven,
Speaker 2: and that might play into this as well. But I
Speaker 2: see forty seven as a catalyst for change that molded
Speaker 2: the world that we're in right now. And you know
Speaker 2: you had granted, you had the war raging before nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven, and the Nazi enterprise was causing chaos. I
Speaker 2: think that the Nazis themselves were born out of an
Speaker 2: occult revolution that was started in Germany that was kind
Speaker 2: of foemitting in the early nineteen hundreds, that kind of
Speaker 2: gave way to that war. But after the war, nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven was the threshold.
Speaker 1: You know, my boy, Not to interrupt you, but like
Speaker 1: real quick, my boy, my boy, Thrash is gonna see
Speaker 1: if you can find it again, he says. Now he
Speaker 1: thinks it's going on for YouTube. He said he's found videos.
Speaker 1: He said, that's actually like you know, obviously old videos
Speaker 1: of like Hitler giving speeches and like people actually translating
Speaker 1: it correctly. And he says, yo, there's somewhere he actually
Speaker 1: gets into saying this isn't a Cold War out of
Speaker 1: his own mouth to the people, and he's going to
Speaker 1: try to find it and see if you can get
Speaker 1: it to me. But I mean, he said that he's
Speaker 1: actually seen it. As long as the translation is correct.
Speaker 1: She said it to the fucking people in Germany.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it wasn't just Hitler. There was some
Speaker 2: other people high up in the Reich that were saying
Speaker 2: things publicly just like that. There was one guy who
Speaker 2: said that the German people saw I'm going to mess
Speaker 2: this up because I haven't seen it in a while,
Speaker 2: but I read this, and it was they were talking
Speaker 2: about how the uh, the old German mysticism was mixing
Speaker 2: with this and the old folky cult magic of the
Speaker 2: blood and soil and all that Himmler stuff was mixing
Speaker 2: with this new Nazi nationalist socialism stuff or fascism, and
Speaker 2: there was like this blend of the state with the
Speaker 2: occult that the Germans were all about, and that was
Speaker 2: kind of fueling everything they did. It was kind of like,
Speaker 2: you know, uh, the of the engine that was driving
Speaker 2: the car, that is the Nazi empire. But they and
Speaker 2: they would acknowledge it publicly to your point, you know,
Speaker 2: was one.
Speaker 1: Thing interesting too that I think people should think about. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll even use this to preface it this way. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand he put out a book. Now, I mean
Speaker 1: even the way I think and look at certain things
Speaker 1: since I've started this podcast is completely so I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that guy stuck to his opinion in the
Speaker 1: way of thinking in that book. But what I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get at is that how long was that guy
Speaker 1: in power for? I don't know exactly? Do you know
Speaker 1: any of yous know exactly?
Speaker 2: I mean, he it was, he came to power and
Speaker 2: I think in the late twenties, but he was. It
Speaker 2: was definitely from nineteen thirty to nineteen forty five.
Speaker 4: I mean he started, he started in nineteen thirty three,
Speaker 4: that was when he gave his speech, and then he
Speaker 4: was initiated in as the main person.
Speaker 1: That's right. So for about fourteen years this guy was
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, I'm sure he was ranting a lot.
Speaker 1: And maybe we'll say eight years because I think at
Speaker 1: one point he did kind of stop seeing the people
Speaker 1: as much. But whatever, we whatever, whatever long time it was.
Speaker 1: How much footage do we really have on his speeches?
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that, maybe a few hours.
Speaker 4: Wasn't one of the international televised speech his speech and
Speaker 4: was the opening for the Olympics?
Speaker 3: Is that wrong? I remembering that wrong?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 2: They did host the guys.
Speaker 4: It was one of the very first televised national thing.
Speaker 4: Because they had talked about how if to extraterrestrials were
Speaker 4: to you know, how whenever things happen and it goes
Speaker 4: out in space, right, it reverberates and it continues on.
Speaker 4: It doesn't ever stop. The theory is that it continues
Speaker 4: on into outer space and just whatever. And so if
Speaker 4: anybody was tuning in to the very first broadcast of
Speaker 4: the television, it would be Hitler's broadcast of the opening
Speaker 4: games of the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the TV had just been put out. It
Speaker 2: was German guy who yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Well, well just hold I would just hold on. Just
Speaker 1: what I was trying to get at. Actually, sorry, was
Speaker 1: that with the amount of time that he's been around there.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, there isn't much video audio footage if
Speaker 1: you want to think percentage of how much he was
Speaker 1: running his mouth and how much is available to you
Speaker 1: to hear. There was a lot missing. Probably that he
Speaker 1: was saying to the people that we never will know
Speaker 1: because we weren't over there. That's what I was trying
Speaker 1: to get in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of that stuff has not been
Speaker 2: translated either. All all those German guys who were Indian
Speaker 2: on a nerve based society who were going all over
Speaker 2: the world looking for a cult artifacts. Essentially, Himmler put
Speaker 2: together what's called the on a nerb based society. It
Speaker 2: was it's a it's another major occult sort of thing
Speaker 2: they did. It was it was like an occult organization
Speaker 2: that had state funding, which is crazy. You don't see
Speaker 2: that happen much throughout history. And all those guys didn't
Speaker 2: go to Nuremberg. They all quiet lee got sent out
Speaker 2: to the institutions of academia all over the world and
Speaker 2: they all published books. But a lot of their books
Speaker 2: about what they did in the Onna nerve Bous Society
Speaker 2: is still in German. So like over here, we don't
Speaker 2: know anything about this because the books still haven't been translated.
Speaker 2: It is true.
Speaker 3: That's true for their scientific articles as well, they're all
Speaker 3: still in German.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and so yeah, Like to your point, you
Speaker 2: got speeches, and you've got these scientific journals and books
Speaker 2: and articles and et cetera, all still in German. Nobody
Speaker 2: has gone through and translated them. It would just it
Speaker 2: would blow the doors off of what we think we
Speaker 2: know pertaining to the Nazis because at Nuremberg, from what
Speaker 2: I can tell, Winston Churchill and some of the Americans said,
Speaker 2: we're not even going to talk about the call any here.
Speaker 2: We're going to We're going to focus on war crimes.
Speaker 2: That's going to be our big thing. Because I went
Speaker 2: back and read through Carl Donuts Nuremberg testimony, and like,
Speaker 2: this guy was put he took Hitler's place at the
Speaker 2: end of the war. He was he was the major
Speaker 2: Nazi navy guy. He had all those Antarctica ties, he
Speaker 2: knew all this crazy stuff. And they just redundantly just
Speaker 2: all they do is is pulverize with him with questions
Speaker 2: concerning war crimes. Instead of asking him, you know, like
Speaker 2: why were you guys having bases on the North Pole
Speaker 2: and then the Antarctica and and instead of questioning about, well,
Speaker 2: did you guys really sneak Hitler out via Hugh Boat?
Speaker 2: They didn't ask him any of the good stuff. They
Speaker 2: just stet to stuff to war crimes because they and
Speaker 2: and and they left all the occult stuff out. So
Speaker 2: there's all this stuff we just don't understand about them still,
Speaker 2: and that that war just it. I put it like this,
Speaker 2: I think we're work who shook the foundations that kind
Speaker 2: of rattled the frames, and like not the doorway loose.
Speaker 2: You know. It's kind of like in the movies where
Speaker 2: you see like there's a highest and they pack explosives
Speaker 2: and put dynamite around the vault and boom, it just
Speaker 2: goes off. And then after a few minutes, like the
Speaker 2: smoke clears and the vault door just like creeps open slowly,
Speaker 2: like that's that's nineteen forty seven. Is that door creeping open?
Speaker 2: And I think that it marked a new era for humanity.
Speaker 2: I think that's when we stepped through. Because forty seven
Speaker 2: the Nazis are integrating with us with their technology paperclip.
Speaker 2: We know all about that. But also the state of
Speaker 2: Israel was founded, the nation of Israel. And I'll say
Speaker 2: this real quick, I don't blame people foreseeing that as prophetic,
Speaker 2: because back into a century BC, in a book called
Speaker 2: a Septuagent, it says Israel will one day become a nation.
Speaker 2: So in forty seven it becomes a nation. Also in
Speaker 2: forty seven you have Roswell, so that brings in all
Speaker 2: this UFO stuff. The modern UFO movement was born. I'll
Speaker 2: come back to that. The Air Force was nineteen forty seven,
Speaker 2: and what's funny is twenty days after Roswell, Truman signed
Speaker 2: a National Security Act that creates the Air Force. Is
Speaker 2: that a coincidence that it was made? You know, you
Speaker 2: have a whole war in the forties raging, and they
Speaker 2: didn't create the Air Force. They waited till after Roswell.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. And like also the National Security Council was
Speaker 2: nineteen forty seven. Those are the top members of our
Speaker 2: government who sort of facilitate America's empire of war. You know,
Speaker 2: if you look at it, since they enacted that in
Speaker 2: forty seven, we really haven't fought a legitimate war since
Speaker 2: so CIA was nineteen forty seven. I just see all
Speaker 2: these big changes. But like with Roswell, you also had
Speaker 2: Kenneth Arnold and the Mario Island incident in forty seven,
Speaker 2: and those are three major UFO instance that collectively mark
Speaker 2: the beginning of our Like I said, earlier relationship with
Speaker 2: this UFO phenomena, and like the Men in Black was
Speaker 2: also nineteen forty seven, there was Men in Black encounter
Speaker 2: with that Marie Island thing. So it's just the notion
Speaker 2: that we aren't alone and that we aren't being visited
Speaker 2: that was sort of put on us in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just see that that's when things
Speaker 2: start to get weird, and there's you know, there's a
Speaker 2: thought that our advancements in technology have been unnatural because
Speaker 2: of the Nazis and because of Roswell and because and
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to this occult stuff with
Speaker 2: the Nazis and even with Roswell, I think something a
Speaker 2: cult was going on there. But if you look at
Speaker 2: the work of Linda Moulten, how she traced circuitry, and
Speaker 2: we'll see the other one fiber optics, back to nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven, where and this is the stuff I think
Speaker 2: that was going to help us facilitate and create an Internet,
Speaker 2: and it mysteriously emerges in nineteen forty seven right after
Speaker 2: Roswell as well, So that's where it creeps in. And
Speaker 2: like for me, it kind of goes back to, well,
Speaker 2: is our technology coming from a natural place or what?
Speaker 2: Because where did the Nazis get it? Because we still
Speaker 2: don't know where they got it either. But for instance,
Speaker 2: if you look at ancient Egypt, their science and their
Speaker 2: culture seems to have been revealed to them rather than
Speaker 2: the developed by them. And for me, that goes back
Speaker 2: to the isis who's the first alchemist. She studied magic,
Speaker 2: which opened up a doorway for her to be able
Speaker 2: to talk with angels. Where she didn't talk to a
Speaker 2: higher panel of angels. She started getting connected with this
Speaker 2: angelic room and she learned the mysteries. And that's how
Speaker 2: this kind of technology was supposedly given to the Egyptian people,
Speaker 2: was through avenues like that. And I see parallels with that,
Speaker 2: with Crowley and with the Babylon working, which i'll you know,
Speaker 2: I'll get into in a minute. But the other thing
Speaker 2: I just wanted to lay out nineteen forty seven because
Speaker 2: I think once I get into my main like meat
Speaker 2: and potatoes here, all that stuff will kind of fall
Speaker 2: into place, because all this stuff that's happening in forty
Speaker 2: seven there it parallels this goddess ishtar that I've been
Speaker 2: looking at, because I think she might actually be involved
Speaker 2: with the modern UFO phenomenon and maybe some of those
Speaker 2: major changes that we talked about for forty seven. I'm
Speaker 2: going to jump into her because I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: hear anybody talking about this, and she's she was very
Speaker 2: much she very much presented herself to Jack Parsons into Crowley,
Speaker 2: I think, so I'll lay that out. But she's also
Speaker 2: in the Anonaki tablets, she's in the Bible. She's all
Speaker 2: across Mesopotamian and Mediterranean history, and it's almost like she's
Speaker 2: been hard to nail down because she goes by different names.
Speaker 2: But I've been like looking into her. I've been finding
Speaker 2: all these fingerprints, so I've been trying to put together
Speaker 2: this profile. But she goes by Ishtar, Ashtar, and Nana.
Speaker 2: She's also known as Aphrodite Venus start Day, and she's
Speaker 2: the goddess Babylon, which ties her into the twentieth century
Speaker 2: occultism in a major, major way. So she's been around
Speaker 2: for a long time. And the reason I started seeing
Speaker 2: her as possibly being involved with this UFO thing is
Speaker 2: because I think it's been going on for a long time.
Speaker 2: People will remember Gilgamesh, that tomb that we found recently,
Speaker 2: right before the Iraq War, we found the tomb of Gilgamesh.
Speaker 2: I looked into him some when he ruled in Eric.
Speaker 2: She was the main deity that they worshiped there, and
Speaker 2: there's a legend she was going by Anana at this time.
Speaker 2: There was a legend that she wanted Gilgamesh to go
Speaker 2: up into the skies with her because she liked to
Speaker 2: fly the skies of Earth. Gilgamesh declined because he said,
Speaker 2: all the men who go up with you never come back,
Speaker 2: so she got she was driven to anger by this.
Speaker 2: She went after Gilgamesh for declining her. The story goes
Speaker 2: that Gilgamesh's friend saved him from an assassin. That Anon assent.
Speaker 2: But when you look at the story, I think what
Speaker 2: you learn is that she likes control. She wanted control
Speaker 2: of his kingdom, so she has this sort of a
Speaker 2: personality about her. And also that story, to me, is
Speaker 2: an indication that she from early on is associated with
Speaker 2: flying in disguise, and she's she comes out of the
Speaker 2: Sumerian pantheon. That's as far back as we can trace her.
Speaker 2: She comes out of the Ananaki stuff and the Samerian stuff.
Speaker 2: And what you see with them is they all they
Speaker 2: always have depicted a sphere with wings, and I think
Speaker 2: that indicates that they had some sort of flying device.
Speaker 2: So uh, and she pops up all over the place
Speaker 2: too in the ancient world. That that's another thing. I'm like,
Speaker 2: how does she manage to be in two places at once?
Speaker 2: Because there's a legend where she buried her lover Damuzi
Speaker 2: in all the way down in South Africa, in this
Speaker 2: very interesting region where the gods were creating chime eras
Speaker 2: and doing a lot of stuff that you see in
Speaker 2: the Book of Knock and Genesis six. And there she is.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, Nebu Kenezer builds the Ishtar
Speaker 2: gate for her to kind of come through in like parade.
Speaker 2: So how she in Iraq and South Africa at the
Speaker 2: same time. So I think she was flying the skies,
Speaker 2: and I think it goes back to that sphere with wings.
Speaker 2: And I think in fact, you see that I mentioned Isis.
Speaker 2: It's a symbol you see later used by this group
Speaker 2: of alchemists in Egypt who are associated with the zet Tepe.
Speaker 2: They also got this symbol handed down to them from Isis.
Speaker 2: So you see it with Ishtar, and you see it
Speaker 2: with Samerians, and you see it with the Egyptians. And
Speaker 2: it goes back to these technologies that come from an
Speaker 2: angelic race. They're talking to somebody on the other side
Speaker 2: of the veil and they're getting these technologies. So I
Speaker 2: see that sphere with wings telling because by the way,
Speaker 2: when they put the wings on there. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: it had wings. They're just depicting it that way to
Speaker 2: tell you this fly. It's just like all the old
Speaker 2: angels and all the old frescoes and and and you know,
Speaker 2: nobody in the ancient world who had an angelic sighting
Speaker 2: said they had wings. That was given to them in
Speaker 2: paintings to depict that they flew the skies. I think
Speaker 2: that's why they gave the wings to the sphere. So,
Speaker 2: like I said, I was going to try not to
Speaker 2: go to ancient aliens on you today.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting is that, Like believe it or not,
Speaker 1: people people listening probably know what it looks like. But
Speaker 1: the artwork that I had Mario dude literally is actually
Speaker 1: a playoff of that image as well.
Speaker 2: Oh cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and instead of wings, it's it's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: like TV reels like movie reels. Yeah, there is there
Speaker 1: is something to that actually with that image.
Speaker 2: I think I love all the all the old symbolism.
Speaker 2: I think it's all that stuff is still there for
Speaker 2: the decoding. You know, you have the handbags that everybody.
Speaker 2: I love that people are throwing out theories on all
Speaker 2: this stuff. Now it's like, you know, it's part of
Speaker 2: our modern renaissance or awakening or whatever it is that
Speaker 2: we're experiencing right now, or people going back and they're
Speaker 2: looking at all this old stuff and saying, let's have
Speaker 2: another look at this, because I don't think the history
Speaker 2: books got it right. And there's also I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: to the occult stuff. But there's also additional symbolism that
Speaker 2: I found with her in all the old temples to
Speaker 2: Ishtar or Anana or Ashtar or whatever we're gonna call her,
Speaker 2: there's what's called the eight pointed star of Ishtar. And
Speaker 2: it's also a symbol that I found painted on UFOs
Speaker 2: in the old Serbian frescoes from thirteen fifty. You guys,
Speaker 2: if I showed you, you would know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Is that old it's in Serbia. It's just big wall.
Speaker 2: It's a painting, and on each side it's like the
Speaker 2: Crucifixion of Christ is the main painting. But up in
Speaker 2: the right and left corner you have what we would
Speaker 2: call a ufo, some sort of a craft, and on
Speaker 2: that craft there's an eight pointed star. Archaeologists and historians
Speaker 2: have no explanation for the symbol on the craft in
Speaker 2: these paintings, but I think it's this eight pointed star
Speaker 2: of Ishtar, So you know, I'm seeing her as this
Speaker 2: entity that's flying the skies. And if you jump to
Speaker 2: modern times, that's when I really started seeing Ishtar involved
Speaker 2: with stuff in the skies, like the events of nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven. And first of all, you know Croley, you
Speaker 2: mentioned this earlier. I don't want to forget to get
Speaker 2: to this. Crowley dies in nineteen forty seven. I think
Speaker 2: he may have had a daughter in Italy that nobody
Speaker 2: knows about, because a little girl was born out of
Speaker 2: his operation going on at the Lima, and nobody knows
Speaker 2: who the father is, or at least history doesn't tell
Speaker 2: us who the father is. But they were doing all
Speaker 2: that sex, magic and stuff. I think she may have
Speaker 2: been his. But either way, they named this girl a
Speaker 2: star Day and it's at a time when Crowley was
Speaker 2: ushering in or talking about usher in a new era
Speaker 2: with the little g Gods. So in my opinion, that's
Speaker 2: an interesting connection, but it's not the main one. Before
Speaker 2: he died, he channeled and was given a cipher by
Speaker 2: an entity named Iowas in Egypt. That cipher was decoded
Speaker 2: in the seventies and it's published in a book called
Speaker 2: Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. I've read the book, and
Speaker 2: the idea of the book is if you use the
Speaker 2: cipher on key UFO cases, you're going to be able
Speaker 2: to predict the next big UFO incident. So a big
Speaker 2: part of the book is Crowley, or the author rather
Speaker 2: applying Crowley cipher to cases from the Contact D movement
Speaker 2: that started in nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the what his name he was,
Speaker 1: that guy who used to be in the OTO. Actually
Speaker 1: I can't remember.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, the guy who wrote Secret Cipher, said Greenfield,
Speaker 2: Alan Greenfield.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: Didn't Crowley have a book named like liber Starte.
Speaker 2: Well, he had labor forty nine that I think is
Speaker 2: about her.
Speaker 1: No, he did have Librastarte, and that was a book
Speaker 1: of Yeah, that was a book of like telling you
Speaker 1: how to like give devotions to your gods and goddesses,
Speaker 1: like if you're kind of having a ritual and you
Speaker 1: wanted to say thanks to them or you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was based on that that that I think the
Speaker 1: crazy thing with that is that the number of that book,
Speaker 1: if I'm correct, is actually one of the flight numbers
Speaker 1: that matches all these other Thelemic and Croley numbers with
Speaker 1: nine to eleven. So like that's even kind of weird
Speaker 1: because you're talking about giving offerings to the gods and
Speaker 1: that's one of the plane numbers that I think hit
Speaker 1: the building or maybe the Pentagon is something like that.
Speaker 1: It was one of the plane numbers involved.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the numerology is off the charts with all
Speaker 2: this stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Libra Eyes, and you have flight ninety three.
Speaker 2: A Starte is the name that's the main name that
Speaker 2: I saw coming out of secret Cipher of the Ethonots
Speaker 2: when he would apply the cipher to all the UFO
Speaker 2: cases like Georgia damn Ski for instance. It's like ashtar
Speaker 2: Ishtar or Astarte is the name that that the cipher
Speaker 2: keeps producing. So uh and also like it's not just Crowley.
Speaker 2: And by the way that I'm going to look into
Speaker 2: that book that that Libra Starte. That's very interesting. But
Speaker 2: I think Libra forty nine was totally inspired by her, totally.
Speaker 2: I think Thelma itself was inspired by her. And Crowley
Speaker 2: was such a stubborn bastard that he didn't want to
Speaker 2: say that it was inspired by a woman, so he
Speaker 2: changed it up, wouldn't name her by name, but I
Speaker 2: think she inspired the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like like I would say, like her
Speaker 1: and new Weed. I think Crowley actually was really big
Speaker 1: on pointing at the feminine aspect of magic.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. Yeah he yeah, yeah he was.
Speaker 2: But something happened with Felima in particular where he wouldn't
Speaker 2: just say this is a religion to ishtar. In my opinion,
Speaker 2: I don't know why that is. I don't know why
Speaker 2: he wouldn't just share some power with her or whatever.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you. I do. You know another
Speaker 2: connection here with the toyeth century occultist is certainly Parsons
Speaker 2: and l Ron Hubbard, because you know the Babylon Working
Speaker 2: and I went and I looked at that, because they
Speaker 2: documented that whole thing, and I've read through it. It
Speaker 2: gets really dark, it gets really weird, it gets poltergeisty.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a thrilling, scary thing to read through.
Speaker 2: But but you know that started in nineteen forty six.
Speaker 2: They started that in January of forty six, and Parsons
Speaker 2: documents like January fourth through the fifteenth. He tells you
Speaker 2: all the rituals they did. Then there's a time where
Speaker 2: they and this is all out in the California desert,
Speaker 2: and they took some time off and they returned to
Speaker 2: the ritual in March. So I don't think that people
Speaker 2: realize that that wasn't done in like two nights out
Speaker 2: in a desert, like they really kind of slept, you know,
Speaker 2: breathed this thing. It was part of their life for
Speaker 2: the whole year of nineteen forty six. They finish it
Speaker 2: up in March and Parsons gets a message from the
Speaker 2: other side telling him wait nine months. And well, first
Speaker 2: of all, he sees the Beast of Babylon. He sees
Speaker 2: her riding the beasts. It's symbolism associated with Ashtar. And
Speaker 2: then he's told she will be released in nine months.
Speaker 2: And if you look at nine months from where this
Speaker 2: was in March, it's the opening of nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: So technically that ritual starts in forty six and ends
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven, and that's when you start seeing
Speaker 2: all this UFO stuff happening. You know, people think that
Speaker 2: they opened a portal that brought about Roswell.
Speaker 1: I've mentioned this a few times on the show that
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of times where yeah, yeah, where
Speaker 1: I've mentioned that parsons work supposedly, you know, might have
Speaker 1: brought on Lake's you know, UFU type effects.
Speaker 2: And it's it's really the imagery that grabbed me because
Speaker 2: it's all imagery associated with the goddess Ishtar, because she's
Speaker 2: the Phoenician goddess of Babylon. So you get that title
Speaker 2: of Babylon in there, and Parsons says she was loosened
Speaker 2: upon the earth in early forty seven. And you know,
Speaker 2: like I say, he wasn't calling her Battlon though, I mean,
Speaker 2: he wasn't calling her Ishtar. He was calling her Babylon.
Speaker 2: But it's the same because I found I found confirmation
Speaker 2: of that because I tracked down the occultist who took
Speaker 2: seven years to write the book on the Goddess Babylon,
Speaker 2: and he says it himself, and I found interviews where
Speaker 2: he said this too. He was asked about Babylon's origins
Speaker 2: and he said, the Goddess Istar in her earliest form,
Speaker 2: or I'm sorry, the Goddess Babylon in her earliest forms
Speaker 2: is Ishtar Nana. And that's coming from the guy who
Speaker 2: wrote the book on the goddess Babylon. It's called Red
Speaker 2: Goddess the book is so you know, that was a
Speaker 2: little bit of vacation for me when I found that.
Speaker 2: And he also found her to be the mystery Babylon
Speaker 2: mentioned in Revelation in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Interesting, that makes sense to me, though I can see
Speaker 1: them all being like equivalence to each other in a sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, she just goes all these different names. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's why I don't think this story has been told
Speaker 2: fully yet. But there's another connection too with forty seven,
Speaker 2: and this one just really blew my mind. And in
Speaker 2: the same desert where they did the Babylon working, also
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven, you have this guy who shows
Speaker 2: up named George Fantastl. Yeah, he leaves the aerospace business
Speaker 2: to go randomly. He's got this nice, cushy job and
Speaker 2: he goes to the Mahabi Desert to live out there.
Speaker 2: He goes out there the same time Parsons and Hubbard
Speaker 2: are there, although he doesn't know them, they don't really meet.
Speaker 2: He may have actually got there a little bit after
Speaker 2: that they did this working. But he goes to the
Speaker 2: same desert, and he goes on to build a house
Speaker 2: there and establish a large UFO center out there. It's
Speaker 2: called the in Tecton. It's like people call it a
Speaker 2: time machine. It's still there, but it became the most
Speaker 2: tassful and well known UFO meeting center of all time.
Speaker 2: And when you look in the van tast so what
Speaker 2: he was doing out there. He claimed to receive messages
Speaker 2: and like these telepathic communications from an extraterrestrial being named Ashtar.
Speaker 1: See like ship like that. It's like, are you misunderstood
Speaker 1: or are you being mk ultrade or are you selling
Speaker 1: a silly story? You know what I'm saying, Like it's
Speaker 1: like just my opinion that this is just me from
Speaker 1: fucking with magic. You're gonna you're gonna get I hate
Speaker 1: using the phrase downloads, but you're gonna get that. But
Speaker 1: I mean to me, it's not it's not coming from
Speaker 1: like fucking alien, you know what I'm saying. It's like
Speaker 1: the twice a god reverberating in your head once you
Speaker 1: open your eyes, you know, something like that, or your
Speaker 1: brain just as rewired from the experience you just had.
Speaker 1: But it's just you know, like that when you when
Speaker 1: I always hear these people with these child things like
Speaker 1: is that just like you had in a magical experience
Speaker 1: and now you're just telling people this shit that's fucking
Speaker 1: going through your head, all these thoughts fluttering through your mind.
Speaker 1: Because like for me, it's like whenever I would screw
Speaker 1: around with magic, like there were certain things I'd want
Speaker 1: to try to like even remember as I'm sitting there,
Speaker 1: it's like I'd be writing or trying to type, and
Speaker 1: I can't even keep up with the thoughts in my head.
Speaker 1: So it'd be easier for me to just start repeating
Speaker 1: it and have somebody write it down for me.
Speaker 2: Like a scrier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would actually make more sense. So a lot
Speaker 1: of times when I hear these things, I'm like, are
Speaker 1: you just like fucking with magic and repeating what the
Speaker 1: fuck you're thinking about? You're not really getting downloads from
Speaker 1: fucking you know, the Palladians And come on, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I know, I know a man.
Speaker 2: I mean when I read this, normally, I would I
Speaker 2: would brush this stuff aside, like I've never really taken
Speaker 2: seriously that whole ufo uh culty religious stuff that I
Speaker 2: but I'm I had to look at it because it
Speaker 2: comes out of nineteen forty seven, so it fits into
Speaker 2: my timeline. And then and then also stuff that I
Speaker 2: brush aside. Are these people who have these encounters with
Speaker 2: whoever from the plate's some funky name, and I usually
Speaker 2: just don't think anything of it. But when he said Ashtar,
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this is kind of weird because we're
Speaker 2: starting to see this name pop up out of nineteen
Speaker 2: forty seven an awful lot. I had to take note
Speaker 2: of it, you know, and I think that he yeah,
Speaker 2: I think he went on to well, he went on
Speaker 2: to kind of propel his cult with this stuff, and
Speaker 2: they called it what you're saying. They started saying, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is from Australians. They're from you know, wherever it's you.
Speaker 1: Know what it is. It's like, this is my opinion,
Speaker 1: but so and so said it. So when you get mad,
Speaker 1: don't get mad at me, Just get mad at this
Speaker 1: person that told me. Like it's such an out too,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I mean, look, people, when people think
Speaker 2: about Roswell nineteen forty seven, they think Roswell. But also
Speaker 2: there was this UFO cult religion that sprang up at
Speaker 2: the same time. In forty seven, like the whole Contactam
Speaker 2: movement coming out of nineteen forty seven just keeps revealing
Speaker 2: this goddess to me because it goes on to include
Speaker 2: all types of encounters with Ashtar Ashtar command Ashtar movement.
Speaker 2: The whole Ashtar is like intertwined with this prominent form
Speaker 2: of a UFO religion, and it all goes back to
Speaker 2: forty seven. The New Age Movement, I think, came out
Speaker 2: of this. So and it's not just a thing down
Speaker 2: into Mahave Desert where they did the Babbylon working and
Speaker 2: where Tassel started this cold you see it up in
Speaker 2: Mount Shasta as well. They're still talking about this up
Speaker 2: there today. I was watching Peter Santinello the other day
Speaker 2: and he was at this little town at the base
Speaker 2: of Mount Shasta and he was filming it and the
Speaker 2: clouds were starting to form above the mountain in like
Speaker 2: an odd way. It kind of looked like something out
Speaker 2: of Ghostbusters. And he goes he's with some locals and
Speaker 2: he goes, you know, it looks like a spaceship's on
Speaker 2: top of the mountain. Does this happen a lot? And
Speaker 2: the guy, the local dude from Shasta say Yeah, this
Speaker 2: happens all the time. People say that, you know, aliens
Speaker 2: are visiting the mountain and it's the city of Light
Speaker 2: and it's called the Ashtar command I was like, what,
Speaker 2: they still think that this is Ashtar stuff. So again,
Speaker 2: like he goes on to talk about this galactic federation
Speaker 2: and like that there's like a connection point to Earth
Speaker 2: with Shasta and all this stuff. So, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys remember, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: have ever looked into this, but in nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 2: there was like a major news broadcast that was interrupted
Speaker 2: and they call it the Ashtarp Broadcast. Lisa, you know
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard about that.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: Wasn't it like a joke or something? It was something
Speaker 4: of a to see how many people would I can't
Speaker 4: remember exactly what it was, but I do remember them
Speaker 4: talking about some kind of broadcast where a lot of
Speaker 4: people got in on it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They The official narrative is that it was a hoax,
Speaker 2: and I don't know. I went back and listened to it,
Speaker 2: and it's creepy. The only problem is nobody ever came
Speaker 2: forward and claimed it. Nobody ever came forward and said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I did that.
Speaker 1: Ha ha.
Speaker 2: Whoever did it had some had access to some you know,
Speaker 2: some advanced technology you know who. We don't know who
Speaker 2: who did it, but it is creepy, like even the
Speaker 2: voice of it's like British TV, and they they interrupt
Speaker 2: and like they like kind of like pipe in this message.
Speaker 2: So the guy is kind of the news guys like
Speaker 2: coming in and out right like they didn't totally just
Speaker 2: take it over. They like somehow fused it together. And
Speaker 2: you hear this weird like sci fi voice from this
Speaker 2: alien sound and guy who's talking about you know, changes
Speaker 2: coming to Earth or whatever, all this cool stuff.
Speaker 4: One of the things that people have to remember with
Speaker 4: the nineteen seventy eight seven broadcast was that everybody was
Speaker 4: still listening to the radio as more than the TV
Speaker 4: or alongside with the TV. Everybody would sit down and
Speaker 4: listen into the broadcast, especially in Britain. It was it
Speaker 4: was something that you did after dinner or whatever. You
Speaker 4: would sit down and you have time around the radio
Speaker 4: and I wouldn't they like give like a story time
Speaker 4: or something like that, usually around this time, and that's
Speaker 4: when it broke in and came out of nowhere and
Speaker 4: everybody was listening to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that was a long standing tradition
Speaker 2: over there. I think it may have even started with
Speaker 2: Churchhill during the war. They called it the New Age
Speaker 2: of Radio.
Speaker 3: They do those broadcasts, and even the Queen would give
Speaker 3: her Christmas broadcasts still through the radio, not through the television.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just saw it as another weird thing where
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, they're they're throwing this name Ashtar in
Speaker 2: there again. And what's crazy about this is all these
Speaker 2: people are. They're not connected with each other. Like Van Tassel,
Speaker 2: I found zero connections with him and Jack Parsons. I
Speaker 2: don't even think they knew each other. I don't think
Speaker 2: he knew el Ron Hubbard either. But they all start
Speaker 2: talking about Ashtar, and they're all coming at it from
Speaker 2: a different angle. They're all kind of finding this herb
Speaker 2: or this intelligence or whatever it happens to be. They
Speaker 2: come at it from all these different angles, and it's
Speaker 2: it's like almost too much to be a coincidence. Even
Speaker 2: though individually some of these seem like BS stories, like
Speaker 2: just dumb, hokey UFO lore stuff. When you look at
Speaker 2: just just coincidences around it, it's almost like what actually
Speaker 2: is going on here because back to this goddess, like
Speaker 2: all the major occultists encountered her. You know, I've talked
Speaker 2: about Crowley, You've talked about Parsons, John D. You mentioned
Speaker 2: a scrying John D and Edward Kelly saw her during
Speaker 2: a scrying session and they documented it. It's called the
Speaker 2: Daughters of Fortitude. You can go read it right now.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's she spoke to them, they recorded it,
Speaker 2: it's published. It's exceedingly creepy, but you can go read it.
Speaker 3: What you're saying right now jogged and memory.
Speaker 4: There is, I believe, in Iran a university or at
Speaker 4: least a division of the university called the Ashtar Space
Speaker 4: Program in Iran, and it's a joint space program with Russia.
Speaker 4: I always, I really really they would it after a
Speaker 4: goddess and it was it is their aerospace joint division,
Speaker 4: I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the ones who came out recently did you
Speaker 2: say Iran? So the okay? And they recently came out
Speaker 2: and said that they were going to do something in Antarctica.
Speaker 4: Hence why we're not friends with them?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean this. Every time I turn around,
Speaker 2: there's something new like this that's popping up with her,
Speaker 2: and it has to do with like Space Age, New
Speaker 2: Age or UFO movement, which all that kind of for
Speaker 2: me goes back to nineteen forty seven. Even Jack Parsons,
Speaker 2: I think he like sort of started the Space Age,
Speaker 2: He at least did his part to start that right
Speaker 2: And you know when she it's all these like critical
Speaker 2: moments in history to where I see this goddess show up.
Speaker 2: I mean when she visits John D. Youles out a
Speaker 2: time when he was helping literally start the British Empire.
Speaker 2: If you look at Oxford they fifteen eighty three, I
Speaker 2: think as the beginning the official beginning of the British Empire.
Speaker 2: Guess who was in the service of the queen there
Speaker 2: in that time, John D. You can go back and
Speaker 2: see her influence on all these major shifts in history.
Speaker 2: She's present at the beginning of the Sumerian Empire, where
Speaker 2: we get all we get our spiritual occultists get their
Speaker 2: spiritual cosmology entirely from the Sumerians because they had such
Speaker 2: a knowledge of cosmology in general. But so's She's around
Speaker 2: for all that and the Anonachy. She's worshiped by King
Speaker 2: Solomon and his wives. She's around for that kingdom. We
Speaker 2: see the first temple coming out of that. I think
Speaker 2: that she's the whrror of Babylon mentioned by John the
Speaker 2: Apostle in the Book of Revelation, which ties her into
Speaker 2: this future sort of enigma that we call the end times,
Speaker 2: where you see if you go deep, you see Samyaza
Speaker 2: released from the pit, and it seems to be like
Speaker 2: a power struggle between him and this mystery Bablon who
Speaker 2: rides the beast the scarlet woman. And so I do
Speaker 2: want to highlight this today, like the Babylon in the
Speaker 2: Book of Revelation is the Babylon that Jack Parsons contacted
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty seven, in my opinion, And it's the
Speaker 2: same year that Israel sort of prophetically becomes a nation.
Speaker 2: It's the same year the Book of Enoch is reintroduced
Speaker 2: to mankind. It's it kicks the UFO movement off, you know.
Speaker 2: Like I said, she visits Parsons who starts to space
Speaker 2: age was coincides with the UFO Age, which coincides with
Speaker 2: the New Age all in forty seven, coincides with Crowley's death.
Speaker 2: Also in forty seven, it coincides with his idea of
Speaker 2: the aon of Horus and the age of Aquarius. So
Speaker 2: I think this is a huge story with all these,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of interwoven ties. You could say that
Speaker 2: Parsons opened a portal and invided an entity into the
Speaker 2: West because and maybe she brought her host. That's where
Speaker 2: I see the UFO thing tying in. Maybe she brought
Speaker 2: her army, and those are some of the lights we
Speaker 2: see in the sky. I'm speculating here, of course, but
Speaker 2: it's star might be what the Bible calls a principality,
Speaker 2: because after Babbel, it says God sectioned off the groups
Speaker 2: of people and he put them under the leadership of
Speaker 2: all these different principalities. And I just think she's one
Speaker 2: of those entities perhaps, or she's working closely with one
Speaker 2: of those entities, and Parsons brought her to North America
Speaker 2: because she goes where she's worshiped, or in this case,
Speaker 2: she goes where she's summoned, and it's the West. And
Speaker 2: that's why, you know, I think there's a significant tie
Speaker 2: in with the Middle East here. It seems to start
Speaker 2: in the Middle East. A lot of this stuff does
Speaker 2: our mystery traditions do. But with this stuff, it like
Speaker 2: it parallels what's happening over there, because you've got the
Speaker 2: beginning of Israel in forty seven and the beginning of
Speaker 2: the Ufo age over here. It just seems to be
Speaker 2: like too many parallels to overlook. So she came here
Speaker 2: perhaps and brought her Ufo phenomenon with her because she
Speaker 2: wanted to rule things in the ancient world. And you know,
Speaker 2: you could say, maybe she will do the same in
Speaker 2: the end times. And I'm hearing this from people who
Speaker 2: have researched her, who are a Christians and non Christians.
Speaker 2: I'm hearing occultists and Bible scholars alike say that she
Speaker 2: is the Babylon that's mentioned in Revelation. So I've heard
Speaker 2: it said. One could infer that she maybe was going
Speaker 2: to try and control the Antichrist, just like she tried
Speaker 2: to control Gilgamesh. And I wanted to bring it up
Speaker 2: because I don't hear her, you know, talked about in
Speaker 2: relation to escatarology like this, but I think it's certainly there.
Speaker 2: I haven't said much about the Book of Enoch, but
Speaker 2: in terms of eschatology, it's interesting that that book decides
Speaker 2: to kind of show back up in nineteen forty seven
Speaker 2: as part of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and that book itself,
Speaker 2: the Enoch has in one of the first verses, it contains,
Speaker 2: you know, what you could see as possibly a prophecy.
Speaker 2: It says, this book is not meant for This book
Speaker 2: is meant for not now, but for an age which
Speaker 2: is to come. And so Enoch having this prophecy and
Speaker 2: it's showing up. There's a story that the night that
Speaker 2: they brought that stuff out of the desert, they found
Speaker 2: it in a cave and they brought it in to
Speaker 2: be analyzed to make sure it was legit. That same night,
Speaker 2: the un was having a discussion about the creation of
Speaker 2: Israel a nation. So there's just a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of interesting, you know, little fun tie ends here
Speaker 2: in forty five, even right at the end of World
Speaker 2: War Two, they find a manuscript in the Knock and
Speaker 2: Mighty Library. It's called the thunder Perfect Mind. It's shockingly
Speaker 2: similar to the Daughters of Fortitude. That was the manuscript
Speaker 2: put out by John d and it, you know, it
Speaker 2: seems to be to do with with ishtar reads like
Speaker 2: it's the same intelligence on the other side of the veil.
Speaker 2: Who dictated it. And it's also describing itself as this
Speaker 2: female entity. So again, if you look at the you know,
Speaker 2: look at the years here, it's like you've got the
Speaker 2: Book of Enoch discovered in forty seven, Parsons Babbylon working
Speaker 2: forty seven, this manuscript is forty five. In nineteen forty six,
Speaker 2: Crowley puts out Leave forty nine. It's also called the
Speaker 2: Book of Babylon, as she's very much represented in that work.
Speaker 2: So there's this window here around forty seven when all
Speaker 2: these ish Tar associating manuscripts are coming to light.
Speaker 1: One thing I didn't want to say. They do financial sing,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about like Ishtar, And I guess nineteen
Speaker 1: forty seven he's even thinking of stuff about like in
Speaker 1: an opening portals. I don't know why, I just I guess.
Speaker 1: I keep getting stuck on the forty seventh President, and
Speaker 1: you got this guy talking about the stargate, you know,
Speaker 1: so it's just wow, yeah, certain things like that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So it sounds like off the wall to even make that.
Speaker 2: No. No, he's like his his whole thing is like
Speaker 2: his baby is space force, right, Like that's part of
Speaker 2: his legacy is that he created space Force and Musk.
Speaker 2: There's all these ties with Elon Musk, because even before
Speaker 2: Musk and George Trump, Trump is the forty seventh right,
Speaker 2: Am I getting this right? Okay? So even before Musk
Speaker 2: endorses Trump officially, Trump is storing all his SpaceX stuff
Speaker 2: on the Space Force bass. So they had some sort
Speaker 2: of a deal worked out years before you know all this,
Speaker 2: you know this endorsement and everything. And you know, Trump's
Speaker 2: uncle John Trump. He had a good look or even
Speaker 2: maybe even has the Tesla files which have all this
Speaker 2: free energy stuff. There's a lot of UFO stuff in
Speaker 2: those files too. I listened to an interview that John
Speaker 2: Trump did and he's talking about how he's in the
Speaker 2: room with the FBI. He's going through the files and
Speaker 2: they're really honed in on one part of Tesla's work
Speaker 2: that has to do with taking objects out of the sky.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, and then we have Roswell And
Speaker 2: I've always thought, I'm like, I wonder if that was
Speaker 2: us and we took that thing down, whatever that was.
Speaker 2: I wonder if somebody was messing around with that Tesla
Speaker 2: technology and they pulled it right out of the sky.
Speaker 1: It was like, at least I think you needed that's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, that's crazy. The yes, the whole
Speaker 4: FBI files or whatever. Apparently it was like boxes and
Speaker 4: boxes and boxes, and they called him in to kind
Speaker 4: of give you know, can you make sense of any
Speaker 4: of this? And you know, he said, I need a
Speaker 4: couple of days or something and he looked at it like, no,
Speaker 4: there's nothing in here, but can do you mind if
Speaker 4: I keep some of these boxes just to kind of,
Speaker 4: you know, make sure.
Speaker 3: And they left it with.
Speaker 4: Them, so he kept them of them according to what
Speaker 4: is read. But one thing I wanted to say, add
Speaker 4: to your your nineteen forty seven and we had an
Speaker 4: episode on this. It was a black dollia murder in
Speaker 4: la and it was a very public murder that I
Speaker 4: think for the time it kind of made national TV
Speaker 4: and everybody kind of was drawn into to that murder.
Speaker 4: And it was at the beginning, I believe it was
Speaker 4: in January. And you do have the renaming of one
Speaker 4: of the laboratories in Roswell was Los Almos, but it
Speaker 4: basically was renamed to Los Alamo's National Laboratory by the
Speaker 4: Atomic Energy Commission, which ends up becoming to later. But
Speaker 4: they made a big deal about renaming that in jam
Speaker 4: and that is really where you see most of the
Speaker 4: stuff coming out of I would I would think that's
Speaker 4: integral to that story as well, because this is where
Speaker 4: you're seeing Oppenheimer come and conduct his his missions and
Speaker 4: his experiments. Roswell and Los Alamos is very significant because
Speaker 4: I don't know, if you're familiar with doctor Goddard, he
Speaker 4: pretty much kicked off the propulsion technology where Parson built
Speaker 4: it on, and all that happened in Roswell and Los
Speaker 4: Alamo's area.
Speaker 2: So paying oh yeah, yeah, that's a great tie. So
Speaker 2: great week. They're working with the paper Clip Nazis big
Speaker 2: time in forty seven. That's when that's when we start
Speaker 2: to see those efforts to steak those guys over here.
Speaker 2: That's when we start to see stuff coming the fruition
Speaker 2: with this relationship that we're building with the Nazis.
Speaker 4: And some of the stuff that you know Nick has
Speaker 4: done really well on and kind of shown, is that
Speaker 4: Nazis were already well German who had more of a
Speaker 4: sympathetic leaning towards Nazism. We're already in New York and
Speaker 4: we're already here prior to paper Clip.
Speaker 1: Yes, World we're.
Speaker 4: Yes, and they were actively conducting a large majority of experimentation,
Speaker 4: everything from eugenics to aerospace to.
Speaker 3: Medical trials, anything like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when you bring in the people from paper Clip,
Speaker 4: it's almost like here, here's some extra scientists to help
Speaker 4: you on your work.
Speaker 2: Almost. Von Braun was working a deal in nineteen forty
Speaker 2: four for his sort of escape from Germany, I guess
Speaker 2: you could call it. He went through General Electric and
Speaker 2: was you know, he's an active Nazi and Hitler still
Speaker 2: alive or they're still at war, they're still trying to
Speaker 2: make this work for themselves. And von Braun's going behind
Speaker 2: the back of the entire rite talking to Americans through
Speaker 2: General Electric in nineteen forty four to sort of broker
Speaker 2: a deal for his sort of passage into America. It was,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like he's bringing stuff to the table.
Speaker 2: He's like, this is what I'll do for you, this
Speaker 2: is what i'll do for your space race, this is
Speaker 2: what I'll do for your rocketsho program. He'll work with God,
Speaker 2: leaving all these guys and he'll bring something crucial to
Speaker 2: the table. That's what his bargaining chip was. And that
Speaker 2: was in nineteen forty four and you know, so they
Speaker 2: and he wasn't just brokering for himself. He was trying
Speaker 2: to get some of his other top eyes over there
Speaker 2: that were active Nazis deals. Yes, it was all worked
Speaker 2: out right.
Speaker 4: And another part of you know that aerospace tends to
Speaker 4: get a lot of attention. But one of the main
Speaker 4: things that kind of has also come out of this
Speaker 4: aerospace paper clip Nazi esque science is the medical advancements
Speaker 4: because they were also experimenting of medical science or aeronautics science.
Speaker 4: You have astrobiology type coming out all this work as
Speaker 4: well from paper clip Nazis, but working in tandem with
Speaker 4: aerospace Nazis as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be I G. Farben would be a
Speaker 2: part of that, all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff and.
Speaker 2: Our technology too, Like where we're at currently, it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be possible with that. And I know it's like weird,
Speaker 2: it's like, uh, you know, where did it all come from?
Speaker 2: I think I said that earlier. It's like, you know,
Speaker 2: what would build our internet that would change us and
Speaker 2: really put us on a pedestal as you know, a
Speaker 2: historical pestal above a lot of other people throughout history.
Speaker 2: Our technology does that and all that comes out of
Speaker 2: I think comes out of the late forties and forty seven,
Speaker 2: and I think it even goes so far as like
Speaker 2: the particle colliders and CERN, because I think it was
Speaker 2: nineteen forty three the Nazis built the first particle clider.
Speaker 2: They had a guy over there who designed it. His
Speaker 2: name was Rolf wider Road. After the war, he goes
Speaker 2: and works for CERN. Then CERN releases the Internet. They
Speaker 2: put it out first. They had there was a scientist
Speaker 2: at CERN named Tim berners Lee who put the Internet
Speaker 2: out first. He did WWWHTTV all that stuff. He released
Speaker 2: it first. So you see the same people who give
Speaker 2: us the particle collider that's like blasting holes and dimensions
Speaker 2: give us the Internet. And it's like, is that a
Speaker 2: coincidence when he goes back to Nazi Germany? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: And and another to parallel to what you're saying nineteen
Speaker 4: forty three, In nineteen forty one, Oppenheimer was also a Nazi,
Speaker 4: well not Nazi, I'm sorry, he was German. Let me,
Speaker 4: I'm miss. He was also in conversations with Fermi Lab
Speaker 4: in Chicago, and Fermi Lab is the American version of CERN.
Speaker 4: And so you're having them do almost the same thing
Speaker 4: as Stern was doing as well. Why Fermi Lab didn't
Speaker 4: give us the Internet. I don't know, maybe they have
Speaker 4: their own Internet. But CERN as well is almost happening
Speaker 4: at the same time. So yeah, all of that is
Speaker 4: extremely ties in.
Speaker 2: Where are you guys at right now? Are you guys
Speaker 2: in New England or.
Speaker 1: I'm in New York or no, jeez, North Carolina? Forgot? Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, are you are you from up that way?
Speaker 1: I'm from New York.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, New York. I was inferming this from your podcast,
Speaker 2: The New York Patriots. I figured you were from there.
Speaker 2: The New York has brook Haven National Labs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I lived like twenty minutes away from them.
Speaker 2: And they they're they're another little mini version of CERN.
Speaker 2: There's all kinds of crazy stuff that involves that's a
Speaker 2: whole other show, like brook Haven's involvement in like the
Speaker 2: Mandela Effect even and like what's it Montalk Point and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, which those guys were probably Nazis at
Speaker 2: Montak who are doing. I think they may have had
Speaker 2: a particle glider in the basement of that place at
Speaker 2: one point. They were trying to make these like X
Speaker 2: men kids, right, like these psychic Assassin kids at montoc
Speaker 2: At least, that's like the lore about it that a
Speaker 2: lot of that, a lot of those guys probably went
Speaker 2: to brook Haven.
Speaker 1: And started working on.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. And and also it was another place
Speaker 2: with a particle collider over here that released the Internet
Speaker 2: over here, So it was CERN. They released it first
Speaker 2: out in you know, Europe, and then not too long
Speaker 2: after that, one of our places over here with a
Speaker 2: particle collider released the Internet. And I think it may
Speaker 2: have been a place in California. I'd have to look
Speaker 2: it up again.
Speaker 4: So you have for me lab, which is a particle collider.
Speaker 4: There was going to be the first part before CERN.
Speaker 4: There was going to be a particle collider built outside
Speaker 4: of Waxahachie, Texas where they say Tyler, Texas, but Tyler
Speaker 4: too far. It was Waxahachie, Texas. Was it was bought,
Speaker 4: it was molded, it was cut out, tunnels were made,
Speaker 4: and I heard actual, you know, instrumentation was starting to
Speaker 4: be put in. They had secured the money and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden it just stopped. No one continued it.
Speaker 4: And I believe it was h Bush that secured most
Speaker 4: of the funding for them and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: Sern opens up.
Speaker 2: So what happened don't know, but yeah, there's images online
Speaker 2: of that place still there. It's just a big empty warehouse.
Speaker 2: I guess Reagan, Reagan in the eighties was talking to
Speaker 2: the Soviets, talking to Gorbachev something that the Soviets got
Speaker 2: a bunch of Nazis as well. They were developing nuclear
Speaker 2: fusion over there, and the Nazis that from their their
Speaker 2: version of paper clip, it was the Nazis that were
Speaker 2: driving it. So Russia got ahead of us in the
Speaker 2: nuclear fusion game. So Reagan was was talking to him
Speaker 2: about all that stuff. Something happened where out of those talks,
Speaker 2: Reagan decided to start majorly, majorly funding the particle colliers
Speaker 2: over here. So there's some sort of a connection with that.
Speaker 2: All this all this sci fi technology, it's all connected
Speaker 2: at the end of the day. At Brookhaven National Labs,
Speaker 2: from what I understand, is an inspiration for the Stranger
Speaker 2: Things show because they called that Something Lab Hawking's National
Speaker 2: Lab in that show, and I think they based it
Speaker 2: off of Brookhaven and of course Montage.
Speaker 1: I like, again, I consider them kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: working together Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's just fascinating to tie it all back in. Is
Speaker 4: that then Hubbard Crowley, they were all run and they
Speaker 4: they sorry about that. They there is kind of somewhat
Speaker 4: of an innuendo that they were also visiting New York
Speaker 4: Long Island area. So the majority of people that are
Speaker 4: working in the aerospace division at that time were affiliated
Speaker 4: with the occult.
Speaker 3: There there was.
Speaker 4: A lot of I guess people saying that they were
Speaker 4: attending certain affiliations having to do with the occult.
Speaker 2: I see the occult running behind so many things that
Speaker 2: it doesn't get credit for or doesn't get acknowledged for.
Speaker 2: I mean even science, like science itself. I always say this,
Speaker 2: the last alchemists, for the first scientists, and all those
Speaker 2: guys believed in some sort of spellcraft. At the end
Speaker 2: of the day, Isaac Newton and all of them, all
Speaker 2: the first Isaac Newton was a major, major alchemist. So
Speaker 2: the occult is certainly there behind all of this stuff.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, and I think a lot of what we're
Speaker 2: seeing in our culture like this, we'll call it a
Speaker 2: manufactured culture war of modern times. I think it's you know,
Speaker 2: with the LGBT, et cetera. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: that is reminiscent of the old pagan worship of this
Speaker 2: goutys Istar as well, because even in the old Sumerian
Speaker 2: hymns she was praised for being able to turn men
Speaker 2: into women and vice versa. Men who served in the
Speaker 2: temple of Ishtar had to become androgenous. So and so
Speaker 2: this whole trans thing was big in the ancient world.
Speaker 2: It was big in asher Off, that was king Ogg city.
Speaker 2: He's the guy who makes appearance in the Bible, maybe
Speaker 2: the Enoch as well. He's like a nephul and giant guy.
Speaker 2: But his city was known to have these this big
Speaker 2: trans presence. It was a thing in Er, that Sumerian city.
Speaker 2: In fact, there's an old Sumerian hymn from twenty third
Speaker 2: century BC in Er, and a priestess there wrote out
Speaker 2: this hymn. It still survives this day, and she wrote,
Speaker 2: to destroy and to create our yours Ishtar, to tear
Speaker 2: out and to establish our yours Ishtar, to turn a
Speaker 2: man in a woman and a woman and a man
Speaker 2: are yours Ishtar. So I see her as being sort
Speaker 2: of back, if you will, back in black Ishtar seems
Speaker 2: to be back, you know, or back back in Rainbow
Speaker 2: Black in Rainbow Black. So you know, she's she's a Phoenician,
Speaker 2: She's she's tied in the ball back speaking of ancient technology,
Speaker 2: if you look at ballbeck Lebanon, I mean, some of
Speaker 2: the biggest anomalies of the ancient world, the biggest megalithic
Speaker 2: cut blocks are there. That was one of her stomping grounds.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's also right down the road from Mount Hermont where
Speaker 2: you see this story of the Watchers coming to Earth
Speaker 2: and you know, producing the netil. That's I thought that
Speaker 2: that's an interesting tie in that she's her sort of headquarters,
Speaker 2: her sort of area is in this Mount Hermont area
Speaker 2: that's very closely aligned with Genesis six. But yeah, transgenderism,
Speaker 2: I think it goes back to the priesthood of Anna
Speaker 2: and before that. It may have been possibly a bastardization
Speaker 2: of the androgynous serpent that was in the garden, the
Speaker 2: Garden of Eden, because there's you know, there's a Gnostic
Speaker 2: sort of a Gnostic protnostic viewpoint that that was that
Speaker 2: serpent in the garden of Eden nakashou is to Hebrew,
Speaker 2: but that it was part man, part woman, you know,
Speaker 2: part lilith. Actually you know, there's that goes into like
Speaker 2: Batha Man. I don't want to go too far off
Speaker 2: the rails with this, but actually I could tie this in. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people will know bapha Met because it's that figure with
Speaker 2: the horns that people are, you know, everybody knows. So
Speaker 2: there's a theory on bapha Met that it goes back
Speaker 2: to I think Eliphus Levy or Levi, and he sort
Speaker 2: of coins this image of bapha Met and he hadn't
Speaker 2: originally depicted with two Hebrew figures. One figure mints m
Speaker 2: il one meant Lilith, so it's both male and female.
Speaker 2: Is supposed to represent the male and female sides of
Speaker 2: the serpent from the garden, and the female side is Lilith,
Speaker 2: who was this primordial entity that existed before Adam and Eve.
Speaker 2: So there's speculation that she was there at the fall
Speaker 2: of Man and she was a part of that whole thing.
Speaker 2: And what interests me about that is that it's comparable
Speaker 2: to Ishtar because they're both these primordial female goddess figures
Speaker 2: that go way back. They sort of existed before us.
Speaker 2: We don't know how old they are. Ancient astro intelligence.
Speaker 4: Perhaps Nick did a great episode on Heinrich Kunroth and
Speaker 4: he was an ocultist, and elpis Levi credits Kunroth for
Speaker 4: the inspiration of his Baphomet.
Speaker 3: And if you look at one of his plates, I
Speaker 3: think it's called yeah to look for it, you see
Speaker 3: a male and a female merged together, like all the
Speaker 3: way down the middle right, insomuch that you have Solveae
Speaker 3: and Kualila on the other. And that is written on
Speaker 3: the inside of Baphomet's arms. And elphis Levi says that
Speaker 3: he got that from Coonroth. And when you look at
Speaker 3: Coonroth's thing, you see a man with the pecturelus muscle,
Speaker 3: and then you see a female with an actual breast.
Speaker 3: You look at the actual arms. One is more.
Speaker 4: Muscular, the other one is not as muscular. You look
Speaker 4: at the hair, You look at the head. One is
Speaker 4: you know, more feminine, the other one is more masculine.
Speaker 4: And then you see also the sun and the moon
Speaker 4: and the ration of the emanations of what Coonrod was
Speaker 4: trying to talk about.
Speaker 3: You have a primordial egg at the bottom.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's a lot more information on on the Baphomet. And
Speaker 4: elvisleeve I obviously was was going in a direction with
Speaker 4: his Baphomet. Yes, this is it exactly. And this, if
Speaker 4: you look at also has a zof on.
Speaker 3: There, right is it asof I can't do this anymore?
Speaker 4: And with this one it has the three different you
Speaker 4: have in Hebrew and Greek, and the actual theme of
Speaker 4: threes is pervasive throughout this emblem. A's a, you know,
Speaker 4: it breaks it down to where A is the first letter.
Speaker 4: Z is also the last letter, I think, and somehow
Speaker 4: it's represented with Greek and Hebrew and then Latin somehow
Speaker 4: in that actual thing. And then it has a peacock
Speaker 4: with the eyes, a lot of eye symbolism, a lot
Speaker 4: of brain symbolism in this as well. And then I
Speaker 4: believe it also has you know, the fountain kind of
Speaker 4: coming out coming out of the plural or whatever, the
Speaker 4: center of the abdomen. And so it is like tying
Speaker 4: back to what you're saying, is that, yeah, you have
Speaker 4: all of this type of mysticism, occultism, alchemy coming through
Speaker 4: and reverberating, you know, throughout the timeline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean I see it. I'm glad
Speaker 2: you said alchemy because I see this huge in alchemy.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at people like Pascuale or
Speaker 2: even Paracelsi's I've read both those guys books. Paracelsis is
Speaker 2: a little hairy because there's a lot of books out
Speaker 2: that people say he didn't actually write. But in the
Speaker 2: book that I found of his that he we think
Speaker 2: he wrote, it mirrors what Pascali was saying a couple
Speaker 2: of centuries later. But the whole thing is like they
Speaker 2: were they were getting in contact with these other entities.
Speaker 2: That was the whole thing it was. It was just
Speaker 2: like it reads just like what you see in the
Speaker 2: Battle I'm working or what you see with Johnny and
Speaker 2: Edward Kelly. They were, uh, the alchemists just had a
Speaker 2: little different way of going about it. They weren't so
Speaker 2: ceremonial necessarily, but they were working with these elemental spirits.
Speaker 2: That's how they were doing their alchemy.
Speaker 4: So Paracelsius himself, when he was at school, he was
Speaker 4: a rebel and he definitely basically would come out and
Speaker 4: just say, y'all are all wrong, then this is why.
Speaker 4: And he got kicked out of the academy that he
Speaker 4: was in or that he was teaching, and most of
Speaker 4: all his.
Speaker 3: Books were burned.
Speaker 4: So anything attributed to Para Celsius was downplayed or negated
Speaker 4: or said it was wrong. When you look at Coonroth
Speaker 4: and you look at some of these other philosophers, alchemists,
Speaker 4: occultists that are not readily talked about, they all promote
Speaker 4: and are students of Paraceelsius.
Speaker 3: So you almost see a trend in that if you
Speaker 3: somehow align yourself with these rejects, so to speak, your cast,
Speaker 3: you're not going to be put out in the mainstream
Speaker 3: and certainly people are not going to talk about or
Speaker 3: teach what you were. You know, looking at and Kepler,
Speaker 3: where we get all our telescopes, was heavily influenced and
Speaker 3: fired by Coonroth. But you don't hear about Coonroth. You
Speaker 3: hear about why because Kepler aligned himself with Paracelsius.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, maybe it was before we hit record and
Speaker 2: started the show. But this goes back to what I
Speaker 2: was trying to articulate when I was talking about the
Speaker 2: ticking off the you know, hardcore charatians antech taking off
Speaker 2: like hardcore secular scientists. But it's because of this this
Speaker 2: thread that you're talking about right here. These guys did
Speaker 2: not fit in in with any either one of those crowds.
Speaker 2: They were absolutely rejects. I like that tie in. You know,
Speaker 2: they were certainly the occult rejects of their day, and
Speaker 2: they were getting their books, are being burnt, some of
Speaker 2: them were being killed. They were being like I said,
Speaker 2: I think I mentioned there was a guy that got
Speaker 2: pushed out all the way to Pennsylvania. He crossed the
Speaker 2: ocean to get away from this persecution. But yeah, these
Speaker 2: guys were, uh, they were certainly and Paracelsus or Celsus,
Speaker 2: I should say he was actually Celsius. I always get
Speaker 2: this wrong pair of Celsius.
Speaker 3: I think it's Celsus.
Speaker 2: I don't know him.
Speaker 3: I have no idea he was.
Speaker 2: He was, Yeah, he was one of the biggest rebels
Speaker 2: of them all. It's almost beautiful to go back and
Speaker 2: and see how one man could like buck the system
Speaker 2: that hard, and we got all these great ideas and
Speaker 2: long lasting remedies from him, even spajerics. Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: the medical you know this is another rabbit hole. But
Speaker 2: this Rockefeller medical system that we're under right now. Uh,
Speaker 2: before they got rid of all the herbal medication and
Speaker 2: and all the you know, legitimate paths to healing the body,
Speaker 2: before they replaced all that with patroleum based pills. I
Speaker 2: think we were still using the the mechanisms that Paracelsus
Speaker 2: gave us, like spajerics and tinctures and herb magic and
Speaker 2: all that great stuff. This stuff was around for a
Speaker 2: long time. I think when it comes to him, I
Speaker 2: think this stuff just recently got uprooted out of society.
Speaker 3: It wasn't profitable.
Speaker 2: It wasn't profitable. You can't patent an herb. These guys
Speaker 2: were working with stuff that natural stuff that comes from
Speaker 2: the Earth, and also they were combining this knowledge of that.
Speaker 2: They seemed to have a knowledge of the heavens as well,
Speaker 2: because they were factoring in, you know, what planet's going
Speaker 2: to be where when they did a lot of this
Speaker 2: stuff too. But you know, I had some I had
Speaker 2: some really crazy stuff happened to me while I was
Speaker 2: researching all this ishtar stuff too. Just to bring it
Speaker 2: back to that for a second, I mean, I I
Speaker 2: don't know where I stand on it, you know it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I'm half kind of
Speaker 2: kooky or crazy by coming out and talking about this
Speaker 2: ancient entity and talking about her as if she is real.
Speaker 2: But I do think that there is something to this
Speaker 2: because of this conversation we're having right now. I mean,
Speaker 2: these guys were not communing with an imaginary fiction necessarily.
Speaker 2: When they were, they were working with elementals, and they
Speaker 2: weren't coming up with that. They weren't. It wasn't an
Speaker 2: imaginary friend. They were working with some sort of something
Speaker 2: on the other side of the veil. Putting a name
Speaker 2: to it is difficult. But when you look throughout history
Speaker 2: and you see all these these dots being connected, it's like,
Speaker 2: I have to kind of present this as if she's
Speaker 2: real because and then and then I, you know, I
Speaker 2: had all this crazy stuff happen to me while I'm
Speaker 2: researching it. I mean, just on the one of the
Speaker 2: things that happened, This one's kind of fun. I've had
Speaker 2: some creepy stuff happened too, but I was I was
Speaker 2: researching it. One day, I got on Instagram just to
Speaker 2: check my my podcast show messages. I don't like being
Speaker 2: on there, so I was just gonna get on, check
Speaker 2: my messages, and get off. That was the plan. But
Speaker 2: you know how it is, when you get on Instagram,
Speaker 2: there's always that one picture at the top of the
Speaker 2: feed that you see. So before I clicked on messages,
Speaker 2: I see the picture and it's the new Kirks from
Speaker 2: the Helier season or from the Heiler Show. They're standing
Speaker 2: next to a statue of Venus. So I was like,
Speaker 2: I know, I think, I see what's happening here. This
Speaker 2: is the guy that I'm kind of looking into. So
Speaker 2: I look at the picture and they're like, you know,
Speaker 2: since since shooting Hell, you're we're now finding ourselves back
Speaker 2: in Kentucky for the first time. Things have changed, and
Speaker 2: nothing serious, but they say they were on they were
Speaker 2: in Ashland, Kentucky, and there's a statue of Venus right
Speaker 2: there on whatever banks of that river it is that
Speaker 2: runs through there. And I'm thinking to myself, that's that's
Speaker 2: Ashtar in Ashland, Kentucky. And it was on a day
Speaker 2: that I was, you know, I was researching this. I'm like,
Speaker 2: that's crazy.
Speaker 1: You know. Then they're tight. They're tight in with Alan
Speaker 1: Greenfield with that whole second not.
Speaker 2: Stuff that's that's thank you, because that's what I was
Speaker 2: going to say next. That's another part that's what really
Speaker 2: made me sit back, was like I was looking at
Speaker 2: that's that book Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts, which is
Speaker 2: you know, you know, a big part of heil here.
Speaker 1: That's when it starts going on. It's like kind of
Speaker 1: like a silly goose chases Yester. They meet that kay
Speaker 1: mm hm, and like, I don't know man.
Speaker 2: Like so, I'm in Nashville, and a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: right before I saw Heilier, I was out at a restaurant.
Speaker 2: I was out on the patio of this rid and
Speaker 2: there was a table right next to me. These were
Speaker 2: like these big, like picnic tables. So there was a
Speaker 2: lot of people out there, but the table next to
Speaker 2: me was like what's his name, Micah Hanks and a
Speaker 2: bunch of other people that I didn't know. But one
Speaker 2: of the guys who was sitting like facing me had
Speaker 2: a T shirt on. It was an F Society T
Speaker 2: shirt and I was like, that's a cool shirt because
Speaker 2: I love that show, mister Robot. So I remembered that,
Speaker 2: and I remembered that guy. And also with them, I
Speaker 2: remember there was this guy who would he looked young,
Speaker 2: but he had this like gray hair like so. And
Speaker 2: a couple of months later, I saw Heilier and I
Speaker 2: was like, those are the people from the restaurant, because
Speaker 2: I remembered Greg Newkirk, because I don't know. I just
Speaker 2: they for whatever reason, I'm at this restaurant, it's packed,
Speaker 2: this patios packed, there's people all around me. But I
Speaker 2: for some reason focused in on that group, and I
Speaker 2: saw them in Hellier late later. I don't know if
Speaker 2: they had just wrapped up filming or what. Maybe they
Speaker 2: were filming season two at that point, but I just
Speaker 2: thought that that was interesting, Like I was in the
Speaker 2: same room with these people.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And I go on to to you know, to watch Hellier.
Speaker 2: And but then in my own research, I come across
Speaker 2: secret cipher of the Euphonauts and I do all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And I'm not like trying to write myself into like
Speaker 2: the hell you're mystique, you know, or whatever. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to fanboy on them. It's just weird.
Speaker 1: Of course, it'd be pretty bugged out if I ran
Speaker 1: into them.
Speaker 2: Yeah interesting, you know, you know, Yeah, I don't necessarily
Speaker 2: believe in aliens from some other galaxy. Maybe maybe I
Speaker 2: don't know I've seen UFOs, but that's not really what
Speaker 2: I'm pushing with this. I mean, I think we have
Speaker 2: some historical precedent here to say that ish Star exists
Speaker 2: and is has been interacting with humans for a long time,
Speaker 2: and it might be a part of this UFO disclosure
Speaker 2: thing because she shows up. All these occultists are talking
Speaker 2: to her right around the time that this pops off.
Speaker 2: So that's what this research is about, you know. And
Speaker 2: if you take a Biblical approach and you look at
Speaker 2: that were principalities in there. I think it's Ephesians. I
Speaker 2: don't remember the exact first, but they talk about these principalities.
Speaker 2: They seem to be these entities that govern. It reminded
Speaker 2: me of what I saw in some of Paracelsis and
Speaker 2: Pasquale's work, where they're talking about these sections of the
Speaker 2: cosmos that are governed by these like cosmic entities. They
Speaker 2: have their little section they govern, and then to get
Speaker 2: to them, you have to work with these lower panel
Speaker 2: of like elemental spirits. But ultimately you're trying to work
Speaker 2: with these these governors that have their own like you know,
Speaker 2: section of space or whatever you want to call it
Speaker 2: up there. Uh, that's what principalities looks like to me
Speaker 2: in the Bible, these people that govern parts of Earth
Speaker 2: and maybe parts of the heavens. So I started thinking, like,
Speaker 2: what if they you also have this word host, the
Speaker 2: host of heaven. You see in the Bible, it seems
Speaker 2: to be an army and and like it talks about
Speaker 2: this as like almost like a uh something that these
Speaker 2: principalities have at their disposal. It's almost like they have
Speaker 2: an army that they, you know, like a prince would
Speaker 2: on Earth. Of course they have an army, right, And
Speaker 2: I just started thinking like maybe I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: some of these UFOs are like part of these entities
Speaker 2: little you know, racket, right, I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Whitley Strieber, he talks about using hypnotic progression,
Speaker 2: going on a craft and seeing these ship where all
Speaker 2: these these dead alien bodies are being stored. But they're
Speaker 2: not dead aliens. They're actually like gray suits. They're like
Speaker 2: something mechanical. They're like avatars. There's something there. The term
Speaker 2: that came to my mind was biological robots, something that
Speaker 2: somebody who had some advanced technology was able to create
Speaker 2: and they used them almost like a human or a
Speaker 2: real video game.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then there's a guy named Sean Starbacker who worked
Speaker 2: under research and development for Eisenhower. He knew Von Braun.
Speaker 2: He was a part of this paper clip Nazi thing.
Speaker 2: Robert Starbacker, he indicated from his He indicated that the
Speaker 2: bodies that they were recovering in the Eisenhower administration were
Speaker 2: engineered and made based on insects, but they were essentially robots,
Speaker 2: like they were again, they were these biological robots. So
Speaker 2: this points to this being maybe a form of some
Speaker 2: sort of high technology. And like, if you want to
Speaker 2: go real deep with it, some people think that Cain,
Speaker 2: after he killed Abel, established some sort of like high
Speaker 2: Atlantis type civilization, high technology Atlantean like stuff, and like
Speaker 2: if you look at the work of Agger Casey, he
Speaker 2: thought that some of what Ezekiel was seeing in the
Speaker 2: Bible those crafts was tech from this Caine Atlantis civilization.
Speaker 2: So for me, I think, I wonder if Ishtar has
Speaker 2: been involved with the development of this alien tech for
Speaker 2: a very long time and that's what we're seeing here.
Speaker 2: And then you've got guys like Chris Bledsoe. He's a
Speaker 2: big UFO guy in North Carolina actually Carolina. Yeah, he's
Speaker 2: in your stay or yeah, yeah, but he talks about
Speaker 2: this being a divine, feminine figure. He's the guy that
Speaker 2: goes out and calls down the UFOs like I've seen
Speaker 2: some of his videos on YouTube. He orbs or whatever
Speaker 2: they are seeing the show up but you know, divine,
Speaker 2: feminine figure, so it points back to this ishtar figure
Speaker 2: for me. But yeah, he's in North Carolina. Man, you
Speaker 2: should get check. You should go. I don't know him, but.
Speaker 1: Hey, see interesting. I'd be interested to actually watch him
Speaker 1: do his his stick. Yeah. Yeah, I actually have equipment
Speaker 1: to it. You can film it all and got all
Speaker 1: these demeters and things could get interesting. You know what.
Speaker 1: I I hate to do this to you but because
Speaker 1: of timing, but I haven't gonna have to wrap it up.
Speaker 1: I would love to have you back on if there's
Speaker 1: anything more about this we could talk about, or if
Speaker 1: there's anything else you think would fit the show. Well,
Speaker 1: the welcome to please come back on. So right, this
Speaker 1: is a really interesting topic. I mean I probably would
Speaker 1: have ended up dragging it on, but like I I
Speaker 1: could see I'm just making quick like kind of in
Speaker 1: my opinion. Yeah, I think like you were saying, like
Speaker 1: you're not sure if like aliens are actually like some
Speaker 1: physical being, but like I could like entertain like maybe
Speaker 1: an eggregor or a thought of mind, you know something,
Speaker 1: or like even like a new structure or a frame
Speaker 1: of thinking or something almost like another aon coming in possibly.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I can't entertain, like I think what
Speaker 1: you were saying. It interests me, you know. I definitely
Speaker 1: found that rather interesting. And then that was like, damn,
Speaker 1: if we ever get like a UFO syop and it's
Speaker 1: like a female that comes down and talks to us
Speaker 1: on the sationship with fucked yeah, that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean Lou Alizondo said recently that this was a
Speaker 2: secret UFO arms race, and I don't know what he
Speaker 2: meant by that, but it did make me think about
Speaker 2: this research, like what if they're planning something military like
Speaker 2: you know, blue being like or whatever you want to
Speaker 2: call it. I know, I hear you, man, I hear you.
Speaker 2: You know. That's why I think I may have said
Speaker 2: this earlier, Like I do go into the supernatural, maybe
Speaker 2: a little a bit more than some people do. But
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, even with my show, I always
Speaker 2: say all are welcome, everybody's welcome over, you know, I
Speaker 2: like to hear all the different perspectives.
Speaker 1: Oh, of course I understand that for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: And that was I mean, that was pretty much the
Speaker 2: main bulk of what I had to say about this
Speaker 2: research pertaining to Ishtar. Anyway, you know, it's probably a
Speaker 2: good place to wrap it up. I mean, I could
Speaker 2: keep going, but you know, I think it's this God's
Speaker 2: I'll just wrap it up with this. I think it's
Speaker 2: this gods and men trope that we see the greater
Speaker 2: story of gods and men, because it's almost like it's
Speaker 2: a lingering memory for us that you know, you see
Speaker 2: all the Marvel movies and and all that. It seems
Speaker 2: like we're very obsessed as a society with superpowers. Like
Speaker 2: I went and saw gladiat Or two the other day.
Speaker 2: I saw eight or nine previews. All the previews except
Speaker 2: one featured people with superpowers. The only preview that didn't
Speaker 2: was like a guy who had a neural link that
Speaker 2: enabled him to come back from the dead over and
Speaker 2: over again.
Speaker 1: So it's like still I said, from Twilight, right from Twilight,
Speaker 1: I saw that ship. Well I didn't see the movie,
Speaker 1: but I saw the coming of Texes of that, I
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, that is.
Speaker 2: Wild, and I just I just wonder, where does that
Speaker 2: inclination for us to be fascinated with superpowers? Where does
Speaker 2: that come from? I don't know. People say, people say,
Speaker 2: AI is going to be the first time we ever
Speaker 2: contend with something smarter than us, And I'm saying, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Hold up a minute. Maybe we've been dealing
Speaker 2: with something gods and men like that's been you know,
Speaker 2: it's in all the ancient texts, you know, not to
Speaker 2: get two ancient aliens on it. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Think personally that we've always been dealing with something that
Speaker 2: it has an intelligence greater than ours, just beyond the
Speaker 2: veil perhaps, And that's that to me, And I think
Speaker 2: everybody's welcome to disagree with that for sure.
Speaker 1: Well I'll even say real quick, and then then I'll
Speaker 1: let least to say something if you want to, like
Speaker 1: kind of like give your opinion about this real quick. Again,
Speaker 1: fucking with you basically going to come across a greater
Speaker 1: intelligence than yourself anyway, Yes, okay, Well, if you're fuck
Speaker 1: with magic, I agree with that. Yeah. So no, I
Speaker 1: mean again, I can see it again as time, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a magical experiences in there as well, somewhere in
Speaker 1: the works of all this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, and you know what, so if
Speaker 2: we're I don't know if this is going to be
Speaker 2: the best analogy or whatever. But if we're existing enough
Speaker 2: to sit here and have this conversation with each other,
Speaker 2: because we're three intelligences that are communing, I if this
Speaker 2: can happen. What if there's something else out there and
Speaker 2: that's not human, that's also a manifestation of this intelligence
Speaker 2: that we share. It's just not in a physical body so.
Speaker 1: We can see it. Who knows, Lisa, what is it?
Speaker 3: Everything is possible, that's all. And if you want to
Speaker 3: know more.
Speaker 4: You should check out the Occult Research Institute dot org
Speaker 4: where we have a lot of contributors that that basically
Speaker 4: donate their time to talk about all things possible.
Speaker 1: And that's pretty much all I want to say.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'll take you up on that offer.
Speaker 2: You know, we could talk about it afterwards, but yeah,
Speaker 2: if you if you want to have me back on
Speaker 2: you know, I noticed that we kept kind of coming
Speaker 2: back to Nazis and the Occult and that's I mean,
Speaker 2: I've got I've got a whole lot on that.
Speaker 4: I'd be joining us for a lot of the list
Speaker 4: of ideas that we have yet to dive into because
Speaker 4: of me, and that the keeps growing of ideas of
Speaker 4: like topics to dig into, and so yeah, that would
Speaker 4: probably be great.
Speaker 1: If you go a lot the Nazi work and then
Speaker 1: we want to work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you have a lot, you may be able
Speaker 4: to tie in or weave something that we haven't seen before.
Speaker 1: Yeah cool, let me know, Yeah for sure, but uh,
Speaker 1: real quick, let everybody know where they can find your
Speaker 1: amazing work. Sure please?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tim Constantine, my podcast is Sixth Sensory Podcast. I'm
Speaker 2: on Spotify, Apple, YouTube, and Patreon, and I have an Instagram,
Speaker 2: so come check me out. I put out reels. There's
Speaker 2: a lot of Nazi occult reels that I've put out recently,
Speaker 2: So if that interests you, check out my Instagram, but
Speaker 2: mainly check out my show Sixth Sensory Podcasts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. If you want to check out like little
Speaker 1: snippets of his podcasts and stuff like that, definitely go
Speaker 1: to his instagram. He's got a lot of that notice.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much again, Tim, that was really
Speaker 1: awesome conversation. That was really interesting stuff. It really made
Speaker 1: me think actually about this issutor stuff. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: would love to get you back on man, So we'll
Speaker 1: definitely make that happen. Lisa thank you again for jumping on.
Speaker 1: I had a great time and I always always appreciate
Speaker 1: your perspective and what you have to add. Thank you,
Speaker 1: and that is the end of another recult Rejects and
Speaker 1: until the next one, everybody be well later