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I 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,600 just want to go on record, Chuck Grassley is a 11 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:37,399 national treasure, Okay, And this is why during all of 12 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:42,039 the Biden cognitive decline coverage, I always point out it's 13 00:00:42,039 --> 00:00:47,000 not about his age, It's about his cognitive functioning, right, 14 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,840 because you could be very old and still be sharp 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,520 as attack, as we were told Joe Biden was, but 16 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:58,079 apparently was not. And I do mean apparently it was apparent. 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:02,039 Chuck Ray, on the other hand, I think he's like 18 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:07,760 one hundred and forty two now and he still is 19 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:14,480 doing what he has been doing for decades, protecting whistleblowers, 20 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,000 rooting out you know, lies and corruption inside of the government. 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,319 And I'm not sure if people because of all of 22 00:01:22,359 --> 00:01:25,000 the you know Elon and Donald and they're fighting and 23 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,120 all of this, But there's some actual big news that 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:31,400 has come out over the last week week and a 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:36,719 half that isn't getting really any attention. It started on 26 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:42,159 May twenty eighth, when Chuck Grassley's office put out a 27 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:46,480 press release and a report, a memo, an internal FBI 28 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:50,719 analysis that was declassified. He had asked for this from 29 00:01:50,879 --> 00:01:55,120 Cash Pttel, the FBI Director, and Pam Bondi, Attorney General, 30 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:59,840 and he got it. So I'm going to walk through 31 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:03,480 that sort of this timeline here, because on May twenty eighth, 32 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,200 he puts out the press release that the FBI and 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:14,280 the DOJ failed to prosecute Nelly or is that name 34 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:22,960 ring a Bell Nelly or Ohr. She was a Fusion 35 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,719 GPS contractor. She testified in front of Congress and lied 36 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:35,000 to Congress about her role in advancing the FBI and 37 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:41,680 DOJ's Crossfire hurricane investigation. This is, according to not Chuck Grassley, 38 00:02:42,159 --> 00:02:48,639 but an internal FBI analysis that confirmed her false congressional testimony. 39 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,400 The twenty nineteen FBI analysis, obtained by the Senate Judiciary 40 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,800 Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and now declassified at his request, 41 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:04,360 provide it's detailed evidence that Or lied to Congress during 42 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:10,840 sworn testimony and as a result, obstructed ongoing congressional investigations, 43 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:17,240 violating federal statutes as she did so. This FBI analysis 44 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:22,439 also exposes how the FBI prevented agents from reviewing all 45 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,400 relevant information necessary to perform a full analysis of the 46 00:03:26,439 --> 00:03:29,960 extent of her false testimony and her role in the 47 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:36,960 fake Russia collusion investigation. So there are two components here, right. 48 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:41,199 The first is what's in the report, the analysis. The 49 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:48,479 second is that this analysis was shielded, and that shielding 50 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:53,159 that's actually the bigger scandal, all right, So I'm going 51 00:03:53,199 --> 00:03:54,520 to take them in two separate parts. 52 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:54,719 Speaker 1: Here. 53 00:03:55,360 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 2: First, the FBI analysis about Nelly Or and the DOJ's 54 00:04:01,879 --> 00:04:08,280 failure to hold her accountable for appearing to commit multiple felonies, 55 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:14,080 and it's obstructive conduct against agents that sought additional information. 56 00:04:14,599 --> 00:04:20,480 He says, this reveals the agency's deeply disturbing political bias. 57 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:24,759 Nelly Orr never suffered any consequences for advancing the phony 58 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,720 Trump Russia narrative and attempting to cover up her involvement 59 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,600 in the hoax. Again, this is from the FBI's own analysis. 60 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,800 So here's the background, she was employed by the political 61 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,000 opposition research firm called Fusion GPS. 62 00:04:42,199 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm sure if you're listening to. 63 00:04:43,879 --> 00:04:48,519 Speaker 2: This program, you are aware of what Fusion GPS does, right. 64 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,879 She worked for them between twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, 65 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,199 and she was performing what they call open source research 66 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,680 in in an attempt to connect then presidential candidate Donald 67 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:08,639 Trump to Russian organized crime. This research was paid for 68 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,399 by the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign as well as the 69 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:17,600 Democratic National Committee the DNC. Both of these organizations ultimately 70 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:23,079 settled with the Federal Election Commission the FEC after allegations 71 00:05:23,319 --> 00:05:28,079 of campaign finance violations for intentionally misreporting the true purpose 72 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:35,680 of the payments. At the time, while Or was employed 73 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:42,879 by Fusion GPS, you may recall her husband, Bruce or Bruce, 74 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,800 was an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the DOJ. Both 75 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:52,560 Nelly and Bruce testified to the House Committee on the 76 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:57,079 Judiciary and the House Committee on Oversighting Government Reform in 77 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:00,759 twenty eighteen. They testified as part of the those Committee's 78 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:06,639 oversight of the FBI's bogus twenty sixteen Crossfire Hurricane investigation 79 00:06:06,759 --> 00:06:09,160 into Trump's disproven collusion with Russia. 80 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:12,399 Speaker 1: A year later. 81 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: Not even then, Congressman Mark Meadows, who was a member 82 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,920 of the House Oversight Committee, filed a criminal referral with 83 00:06:22,079 --> 00:06:27,120 the DOJ and asserted that Nelly Orr knowingly provided false 84 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,240 testimony to the House committees. 85 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: To both of. 86 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 2: Them, the FBI did an analysis in twenty nineteen to 87 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:44,120 see if there's evidence that she in fact lied. Here 88 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:48,560 are the key findings of the FBI's analysis. Nelly Orr 89 00:06:48,759 --> 00:06:51,399 may have been involved in drafting aspects of the Steele 90 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,600 dossier and conspired with her husband, Bruce to ensure high 91 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,600 level FBI officials received her work product while Fusion Gps 92 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,720 coordinated with the media to legitimize the FBI's opening of 93 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:13,000 its now discredited Trump Russia investigation. Nellie Or may have 94 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,079 falsely testified to Congress that she had no knowledge of 95 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,560 the DOJ's Trump Russia investigation. Why would the FBI think 96 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:24,360 that she may have falsely testified, Well, she gave a 97 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:30,759 thumb drive containing her Fusion GPS work to her husband, Bruce. 98 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:34,839 He then provided that to the FBI as part of 99 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:40,399 its ongoing investigation. So when she said she had no 100 00:07:40,519 --> 00:07:44,120 knowledge of the investigation, why would she give the thumb 101 00:07:44,199 --> 00:07:48,800 drive to her husband, who is an Associate Deputy Attorney 102 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,319 General at DJ. Did Bruce ask for it and say 103 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,279 I can't tell you why I'm asking for it. Oh, hey, 104 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:57,839 I'd love to see your work product, and then he 105 00:07:57,959 --> 00:07:59,720 just like scurried away and handed it off and she 106 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:04,480 had no idea. Probably not, because her email traffic also 107 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:10,439 showed she emailed her Russian investigative research directly to her husband. 108 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,000 She sent him an email with it all. Bruce only 109 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,000 shared information with the FBI relating to the Trump Russia 110 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:25,240 investigation after receiving it from his wife, So this wasn't 111 00:08:25,279 --> 00:08:28,160 anything that he was sharing with them prior. He didn't 112 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,279 know about this stuff prior. He didn't have it in 113 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:34,000 a format to hand it off to the FBI. No, No, 114 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:36,879 it was only after his wife gave him all of 115 00:08:36,879 --> 00:08:42,759 this stuff. Nellie and Bruce met personally with British intelligence 116 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:46,840 officer and Fusion GPS contractor Christopher Steele. They met with 117 00:08:46,919 --> 00:08:51,000 him in twenty sixteen, which kind of obliterates the whole 118 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,799 idea that she would have no idea that there's an 119 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,559 investigation going on if her husband, Bruce is with her. 120 00:08:57,519 --> 00:09:01,720 Fusion GPS pitched Nellie Or's research to the Department of 121 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:08,600 State for additional investigation. Per Department of State emails, Maybe 122 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,600 she wasn't aware that her employer was taking her work 123 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,399 and trying to give it to the Department of State. 124 00:09:17,919 --> 00:09:23,240 Nellie yor then deleted emails with Russia focused DOJ prosecutors, 125 00:09:23,919 --> 00:09:26,559 which I don't know about you, but to me indicates 126 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,320 an effort to conceal her exchanges with DOJ officials involved 127 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,360 in the Trump Russia investigation. Right, there's a reason this 128 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,960 looks like she was aware of the investigation. It's because 129 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,279 she was aware of the investigation. 130 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Of course she was. 131 00:09:40,799 --> 00:09:42,639 Speaker 2: And so when she went in front of Congress and 132 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,039 said she was not aware, that was a lie. That's perjury, 133 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:51,399 and that's obstruction of a congressional investigation. She also may 134 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,080 have testified falsely to Congress that she was not involved 135 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,799 in drafting the Steele dossier. See, because she made an 136 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,399 error and analytical error in her Rea search, and that 137 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,879 same error, identical error, was in the Steele dossier somebody's 138 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:12,000 copy in somebody's work, and the FBI knew it. 139 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:14,879 Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen. 140 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,399 Speaker 2: They knew it all right, So spring is here a 141 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,360 time of renewal and celebrations. You've got graduations, weddings, anniversaries, 142 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,960 and the special days for mom and dad. 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Also, in direct contradiction to 176 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:47,960 her congressional testimony, Nelly Or took six Ham radio classes, 177 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,799 no Tomato classes, just the Ham not even Lettuce and 178 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:59,200 took the classes and the exam during her time as 179 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,320 a Fusion g employee. Now, why is this important? Ham 180 00:13:04,399 --> 00:13:09,639 radios can facilitate international communication without the use of a 181 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:16,480 cell signal. And she had claimed in her testimony that 182 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,240 her Ham radio training occurred before she went to work 183 00:13:21,279 --> 00:13:28,559 for Fusion GPS, but records from the Fairfax Fire and 184 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:34,039 Rescue Department as well as the FCC records show that 185 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:41,320 Nellire's entire Ham radio training occurred between March twenty sixteen 186 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,799 through May of twenty sixteen, and that was while she 187 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,279 was working for Fusion GPS. So she lied about that 188 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:56,480 too clearly, and the FBI knew it. In twenty nineteen, 189 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:02,240 they knew it. Stephen Richards, writing a Justthnews dot com says, 190 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,919 the memo shows the Bureau assessed that Nelly Orr likely 191 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,399 lied to Congress in her testimony about the genesis of 192 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:15,879 the infamous Steele dossier, her interactions with DOJ officials, and 193 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:23,240 her knowledge of the Trump Russia probe crossfire Hurricane. Or 194 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:26,440 originally told investigators in October twenty eighteen that she had 195 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,360 no knowledge, but the memo shows that she shared investigative 196 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:37,799 materials with various people. Fusion GPS acted as the coordinating 197 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:42,639 hub of a multi pronged effort to spread the Russia 198 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:49,320 collusion allegations into the FBI. That's what Fusion GPS was doing. 199 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:53,080 Politico reported on this in twenty seventeen that, according to 200 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:58,639 unnamed sources, the Democrat National Committee as well as you 201 00:14:58,679 --> 00:15:02,360 know what I'm going to say, Mark Elias. 202 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:11,879 Speaker 1: Loatheso is loaths. He's just Loathsome. 203 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,039 Speaker 2: Elias, a lawyer for Hillary Clinton who represented the DNC 204 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,960 as well as the Clinton campaign and hired Fusion Gps, 205 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,879 helped to bankroll the research. The DNC and Mark Elias 206 00:15:23,919 --> 00:15:26,200 bankrolled the research. That's why I call him the bagman, 207 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:31,240 which led to the dossier. The memo details how a 208 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:37,240 second Trump Russia dossier was authored by longtime Clinton associate 209 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:43,879 Cody Shearer, which also ended up in FBI hands. That 210 00:15:44,039 --> 00:15:48,639 memo the second memo was passed to the FBI through 211 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,200 Christopher Steele, who received it from a State Department official. 212 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: I wonder who that was. 213 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: The FBI investigator who drafted the declassified memo noted that 214 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:03,080 this second dossise, which the Bureau called the FSB Memo, 215 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:10,759 bore signs of close coordination between Fusion GPS and Christopher Steel. 216 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,360 The second memo was reported in the media as a 217 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:21,080 potential source of corroborating evidence to vouch for the later 218 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:28,919 discredited Steele dossier. They manufactured a corroborating source, so this 219 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,960 way the media could say that there are multiple sources. 220 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,679 This is laundering. That's what's going on. They're laundering the 221 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:41,240 Steele dossier through the FBI. They launder it through media. 222 00:16:42,039 --> 00:16:46,720 They give, you know, on background, anonymous sourcing confirmation. Oh yeah, 223 00:16:46,759 --> 00:16:49,200 this is happening. Oh yeah, we have. We've seen two 224 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,879 different memos, two different reports. They corroborate each other. You 225 00:16:54,919 --> 00:16:59,600 can totally trust me. Remember what two days ago I 226 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:04,359 mentioned how Alex Thompson burned one of his sources because 227 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:11,960 she lied about her work for Carne John Pierre. 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Senator 265 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:27,359 Grassley's office released the analysis and this is the story 266 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:33,279 over at just thenews dot com by Stephen Richards talking 267 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:38,079 about there was a second dossier besides the Steele dossier. 268 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,599 There was a second one that was referred to as 269 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,160 the FSB Memo, and that was reported in the media 270 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:50,079 as a potential source of corroborating evidence to vouch for 271 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:55,960 the Steele dossier. The declassified FBI memo shows the bureau 272 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,000 viewed the second memo, the FSB Memo, the FBI determined 273 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:05,640 it was quote obviously fictitious citing its wild claims and 274 00:20:05,759 --> 00:20:11,160 divergence from the usual characteristics of reports from confidential human sources. 275 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:18,559 This analysis was from twenty nineteen, so the FBI knew. Additionally, 276 00:20:18,599 --> 00:20:23,759 the FBI assessed that the second dossier, though purportedly independently produced, 277 00:20:24,279 --> 00:20:31,119 appeared to be coordinated by Fusion GPS. Specifically, the FBI 278 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,480 investigators found a deleted copy of the FSB memo on 279 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:40,079 a thumb drive owned by Glenn Simpson, the co founder 280 00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:47,119 of Fusion GPS. The declassified memo from the FBI shows 281 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,640 that the agency believed it was likely that Ore's research 282 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,039 served as a basis for many of the Trump Russia 283 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,359 documents that ended up in the FBI's possession and formed 284 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:05,160 the basis for the CrossFit Hurricane investigation. So Or lied 285 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:13,640 to Congress, but the statute of limitations for her crimes 286 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:21,160 five years, which means that the time for her being 287 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:27,400 indicted expired in twenty twenty three. But she may not 288 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,880 be out of the woods, so I'm not really sure 289 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,839 how this goes. But because criminal law allows an exception 290 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:39,440 to these statute of limitations, called the discovery rule, this 291 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,960 discovery rule postpones the start of the statute limitation. So 292 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,839 if you think of it like a clock running right 293 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,640 for the five years, it didn't start when the crime 294 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,160 was committed. Under the discovery rule, it could start when 295 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:57,880 the police or prosecutors later discover the crime. It's not 296 00:21:58,079 --> 00:22:01,279 clear yet whether Attorney General Pam Bondi or the FBI 297 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,240 Director Cash Pattel intend to pursue that line of legal attack. 298 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,759 The crimes each carry a five year jail term and 299 00:22:09,839 --> 00:22:14,960 are also subject to a maximum fine of ten thousand dollars. 300 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:21,759 But wait, there's more, and it's worse. So I mentioned 301 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:23,319 there were two different. 302 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:23,759 Speaker 1: Issues, right. 303 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 2: The first is the one that I've just covered, the 304 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:30,759 nelly or lying to Congress and obstructing their investigation. Back 305 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:36,440 in twenty eighteen, the FBI had done this analysis. They're like, yeah, 306 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:41,880 she probably lied, here's all the evidence for it, and 307 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,839 they failed to prosecute, refused to prosecute. 308 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: That's the first part. There's a. 309 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: Case management system that the FBI uses, you know internally, 310 00:22:56,279 --> 00:23:00,279 it's called Sentinel, okay, And this is where you would, 311 00:23:00,279 --> 00:23:02,599 you know, put all the information for any of your cases. 312 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,519 You put them into this database. This way, if you 313 00:23:05,559 --> 00:23:10,119 know you're working on some investigation and I'm working on 314 00:23:10,319 --> 00:23:13,799 a different investigation in a different city, but there is 315 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:18,039 a connection made between our two cases. You would be 316 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,880 able to run a search in the Sentinel database in 317 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,680 this case management system, and you would find out, oh, 318 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:29,640 Pete's working a case and has some of the same 319 00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:36,160 suspects or patterns or you know, whatever victims businesses. You 320 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,799 would be able to find nexus points. And so this 321 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:48,279 system has different levels of secrecy. So there's the unrestricted 322 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,920 where anybody can see it. Inside the FBI, there is 323 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:57,240 restricted for sensitive cases and information. 324 00:23:58,079 --> 00:23:58,319 Speaker 1: Right. 325 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,519 Speaker 2: But if you go to Sentinel and you type in 326 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,799 you know, let's say you're you know, you're looking to 327 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,599 bust the Hamburglar, and so you type in Hamburglar and 328 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:11,400 you would get some results that come back in your 329 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,799 search through the database that find oh, Pete's working a 330 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:20,200 case against the Hamburglar. Also, okay, oh no, Pete's case 331 00:24:20,319 --> 00:24:24,240 is restricted, and you may not have the ability then 332 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,039 to see it. So you would have to ask me 333 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,799 or ask your superiors or whatever to get access to 334 00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:32,720 the file. But here's the key. You know the file exists, 335 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,400 you know there is an investigation. You know there's a 336 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:40,400 case because it pops up in your search, but the 337 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:45,759 details are hidden because it's restricted. But what if I 338 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:53,880 told you there's a third level. Because there is, it's 339 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,119 called prohibited access, and that means it doesn't even show 340 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,640 up in your search res results. So if I don't 341 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,759 want anybody to know that I'm investigating the Hamburglar, and 342 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,559 you run a search for Hamburglar, you're not even going 343 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,880 to see my cases. 344 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: Pop. 345 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:19,559 Speaker 2: It allows agents. This sentinel system allows agents to hide 346 00:25:19,759 --> 00:25:26,000 the existence of relevant investigative reports from other authorized users 347 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:30,839 of the database. You see where this is going, don't you. 348 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:37,039 During the Russia collusion hoax, special counsel Robert Muller's team 349 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:45,599 used the sentinel search functionality to keep potentially relevant documents 350 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,519 hidden from other FBI agents who were investigating whether a 351 00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:55,920 Fusion GPS contractor lied to Congress Nelly or so. When 352 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,920 the FBI agents were doing that internal memo or the analysis, rather, 353 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,640 when they were doing their analysis of whether or not 354 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,400 or lied to Congress, they did not get access, nor 355 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:13,759 were they even aware of a whole bunch of stuff 356 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:21,559 because it was tagged as prohibited the significance of these 357 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:25,200 two facts, according to Margo Cleveland at the Federalist Dot 358 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,319 com She says it can't be overstated because now in 359 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,279 question is whether the federal government complies with the constitutional 360 00:26:34,319 --> 00:26:40,599 mandate in criminal cases to provide defendants all material exculpatory 361 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:45,119 and impeachment evidence, as well as its discovery obligations in 362 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,559 civil litigation. Right, when you go to trial, the prosecution 363 00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:56,119 has to give you everything that they have. Right you're 364 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,759 the defendant, you go to trial, you're accused of something, 365 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:02,920 your lawyers get through the process called discovery. The state 366 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,559 has to turn over everything that they have against you 367 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:11,599 so you can prepare a defense. And if they have 368 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,160 been marking things as prohibited access, it doesn't even show up. 369 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:23,079 If they're trying to comply with discovery requests or FOYA 370 00:27:23,559 --> 00:27:30,000 requests or investigations inside the FBI itself. Agents don't even 371 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,880 know if there's other stuff going on in other departments 372 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,440 or or field offices or whatever. They are blinded to 373 00:27:38,599 --> 00:27:45,720 this work, to this information. This now could jeopardize criminal prosecutions, 374 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,759 right civil matters. Anything in this database that's been marked 375 00:27:50,759 --> 00:27:54,039 as prohibited, this is going to get very bad. 376 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,799 Speaker 1: I suspect, all right. 377 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 2: If you're listening to this show, you know, I try 378 00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:59,279 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 379 00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,640 I know you do, and you've probably heard me say 380 00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:05,839 get your news from multiple sources. Why Well, because it's 381 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,519 how you detect media bias, which is why I've been 382 00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:12,119 so impressed with ground News. It's an app and it's 383 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,079 a website and it combines news from around the world 384 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,559 in one place so you can compare coverage and verify information. 385 00:28:18,839 --> 00:28:22,119 You can check it out at check dot ground, dot 386 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,319 news slash pete. I put the link in the podcast 387 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:28,359 description too. I started using ground News a few months 388 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,960 ago and more recently chose to work with them as 389 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200 an affiliate because it lets me see clearly how stories 390 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,480 get covered and by whom. The blind spot feature shows 391 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,400 you which stories get ignored by the left and the right. 392 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:45,200 See for yourself check dot ground, dot news slash pete. 393 00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:47,960 Subscribe through that link and you'll get fifteen percent off 394 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,279 any subscription. I use the Vantage plan to get unlimited 395 00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:54,599 access to every feature. Your subscription then not only helps 396 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,400 my podcast, but it also supports ground News as they 397 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,079 make the media landscape more transparent. I have a Pete 398 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:04,480 tweet from Allen who says, Pete leave the Hamburglar alone, 399 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,799 hasn't he been through enough. I'm fair take him off 400 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:11,799 the cross Pete all right, it was merely an example. 401 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,200 I have no ill will towards the Hamburger. But he 402 00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:19,319 just looks guilty, I mean, right, doesn't he? 403 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:20,119 Speaker 1: Okay? 404 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 2: So the problem with masking the database so people don't 405 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,839 know if there's actual information in the FBI database presents 406 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:38,000 a lot of really bad problems. As I mentioned, you 407 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,000 have your discovery obligations in criminal cases that the FEDS 408 00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:46,680 may bring also in civil litigation discovery obligations. 409 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: But also. 410 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: Did Special Counsel John Durham did he have all of 411 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:59,920 this information the Inspector General, the agent's investigating the memor 412 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:09,119 of Crossfire Hurricane right when the investigation into the investigation occurred. 413 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:15,240 Did those teams have access did they even know about 414 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,559 the prohibited access classification? Whether the DOJ and the FBI 415 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,880 provided Congressional oversight committees with requested documents or even subpoenaed 416 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,400 documents when Congress would say, give us all your documents 417 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,680 on Crossfire Hurricane, did they get the stuff in the 418 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:34,680 super secret classified files? 419 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: Apparently not? 420 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 2: And whether freedom of information responses included all relevant documents 421 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:48,480 to the press and to the public later on in 422 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,079 this piece by Margot Cleveland, who's done extensive work on 423 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,039 the whole Crossfire Hurricane saga for years now. This is 424 00:30:57,079 --> 00:30:59,960 at the Federalist dot com. It's called latest FBI Revelations 425 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,680 show the Muller Special Council was a cover up and 426 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:10,519 much more. The existence of the prohibited access classification came 427 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,799 as a surprise to several former career prosecutors as well 428 00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:21,519 as FBI agents. One named Jay Town is a former 429 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,920 career prosecutor and the US Attorney for the Northern District 430 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,920 of Alabama under Trump one point zero. Jaytown told the 431 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,279 Federalists that he was not aware of the prohibited access 432 00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:36,799 classification and shared that many of his colleagues likewise, had 433 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:40,440 never heard of it. He says, it's a staggering revelation 434 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:45,880 for nearly all of us. This is a former US 435 00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:50,839 attorney who did not know what the FBI was doing 436 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:57,240 with their case management system Sentinel. The federal government is 437 00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:01,319 legally obligated, in a variety of circumstance is to produce information, 438 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,400 but it cannot produce something that it does not know exists. 439 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,640 For instance, in criminal cases. The US Supreme Court has 440 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,240 held that the constitutions. Do Process guarantee requires the government 441 00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:20,920 to disclose material exculpatory and impeachment evidence right so material 442 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,839 as in like important, very relevant. Exculpatory means things that 443 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,279 may prove your innocent or impeachment evidence, which is stuff 444 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:34,640 that may you know, undermine the credibility of an agent 445 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,720 or a source, a witness. The Department of Justice may 446 00:32:40,759 --> 00:32:44,960 rely on the FBI, or sorry must rely the DOJ 447 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,920 has to rely on the FBI to provide this constitutionally 448 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:54,799 required evidence. This is known informally as the Brady slash 449 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,200 Giglio evidence, named after cases. 450 00:32:59,440 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: Giglio. 451 00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 2: You may have heard this term more locally because a 452 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:09,359 Giglio ruling against a like a detective or like a 453 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:11,960 sheriff who used to be detective, whatever, like a Giglio 454 00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,359 ruling would mean that you can't testify because you have 455 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:20,680 something in your background, some you know, offense, some malpractice 456 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,799 that you committed that now makes you an unreliable witness 457 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:25,920 on the stand. And if you get a Giglio on 458 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,640 you as a as a cop like, you're basically done 459 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,480 because you can never be called to testify. But the 460 00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:38,000 FBI cannot possibly properly gather all of this material. This 461 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:42,799 exculpatory and impeachment evidence if the evidence is invisible to 462 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,799 the searcher of the Sentinel database because the material is 463 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:52,240 coded prohibited access. While the Brady Giglio rule only applies 464 00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:56,559 in the criminal context, the federal government's discovery obligations in 465 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:01,799 civil litigation raise similar concerns. If documents responsive to a 466 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:06,319 discovery request are hidden behind the prohibited access designation, the 467 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,599 DOJ might not even know the material exists and thus 468 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:16,920 can't possibly provide it in response to discovery requests. Think 469 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,800 about all of the litigation that the federal government has 470 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,559 been in and if there is anything in any of 471 00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:26,679 those cases that has been withheld from one of the 472 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,360 parties that's suing the federal government, I mean, think about 473 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:37,400 environmental projects, right or litigation. Without knowing when or why 474 00:34:37,559 --> 00:34:41,679 or how often the FBI designates files as prohibited access 475 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,280 and whether, and if so, how the bureau ensures it 476 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:52,639 provides prohibited access evidence, we don't know. It's impossible to 477 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,920 assess the scope of the issue, and that is a 478 00:34:57,079 --> 00:35:02,840 huge problem. The ramification of invisible records maintained within Sentinel 479 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,039 by use of the prohibited access designation extend far beyond 480 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:10,320 the realm of criminal prosecutions and civil litigation. The prohibited 481 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,639 access designation also thwarts the investigation of potential crimes Bike 482 00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:21,280 Nelly or that's what they just found out with the 483 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,079 release of the FBI analysis. This thing was prohibited access. 484 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,400 It was only through a whistleblower that this came to 485 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,239 be known. The FBI knew, the DOJ should have known, right, 486 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,800 the FBI should have known. They should have told the DOJ. Like, 487 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:48,079 but it was prohibited access. If sentinel won't even show 488 00:35:48,119 --> 00:35:52,800 the existence of responsive documents that are tagged prohibited access, 489 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,960 the federal government cannot possibly produce the material in response 490 00:35:57,039 --> 00:36:03,800 to feuer requests, like running your own server and then 491 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,920 wiping it, you know, like with a cloth, right when 492 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,920 you control who gets to see the stuff, and then 493 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,519 you get to delete stuff out of there when people 494 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:18,800 come snooping around, like, that's prima facia evidence. That's the 495 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,360 smoking gun. That's why everyone said, oh, you know, where's 496 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,960 the smoking gun on Hillary's emails? The existence of the 497 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,840 server is the smoking gun. It always was. I wonder 498 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,280 if there's anything in the prohibited access files about that? 499 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,159 All right, that'll do it for this episode. 500 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:36,599 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. 501 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and 502 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,599 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 503 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,039 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 504 00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:45,800 them you heard it here. You can also become a 505 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:50,480 patron at my Patreon page or go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, 506 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,280 thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything 507 00:36:53,280 --> 00:37:01,320 while I'm gone.