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just want to go on record, Chuck Grassley is a
national treasure, Okay, And this is why during all of
the Biden cognitive decline coverage, I always point out it's
not about his age, It's about his cognitive functioning, right,
because you could be very old and still be sharp
as attack, as we were told Joe Biden was, but
apparently was not. And I do mean apparently it was apparent.
Chuck Ray, on the other hand, I think he's like
one hundred and forty two now and he still is
doing what he has been doing for decades, protecting whistleblowers,
rooting out you know, lies and corruption inside of the government.
And I'm not sure if people because of all of
the you know Elon and Donald and they're fighting and
all of this, But there's some actual big news that
has come out over the last week week and a
half that isn't getting really any attention. It started on
May twenty eighth, when Chuck Grassley's office put out a
press release and a report, a memo, an internal FBI
analysis that was declassified. He had asked for this from
Cash Pttel, the FBI Director, and Pam Bondi, Attorney General,
and he got it. So I'm going to walk through
that sort of this timeline here, because on May twenty eighth,
he puts out the press release that the FBI and
the DOJ failed to prosecute Nelly or is that name
ring a Bell Nelly or Ohr. She was a Fusion
GPS contractor. She testified in front of Congress and lied
to Congress about her role in advancing the FBI and
DOJ's Crossfire hurricane investigation. This is, according to not Chuck Grassley,
but an internal FBI analysis that confirmed her false congressional testimony.
The twenty nineteen FBI analysis, obtained by the Senate Judiciary
Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley and now declassified at his request,
provide it's detailed evidence that Or lied to Congress during
sworn testimony and as a result, obstructed ongoing congressional investigations,
violating federal statutes as she did so. This FBI analysis
also exposes how the FBI prevented agents from reviewing all
relevant information necessary to perform a full analysis of the
extent of her false testimony and her role in the
fake Russia collusion investigation. So there are two components here, right.
The first is what's in the report, the analysis. The
second is that this analysis was shielded, and that shielding
that's actually the bigger scandal, all right, So I'm going
to take them in two separate parts.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: First, the FBI analysis about Nelly Or and the DOJ's
failure to hold her accountable for appearing to commit multiple felonies,
and it's obstructive conduct against agents that sought additional information.
He says, this reveals the agency's deeply disturbing political bias.
Nelly Orr never suffered any consequences for advancing the phony
Trump Russia narrative and attempting to cover up her involvement
in the hoax. Again, this is from the FBI's own analysis.
So here's the background, she was employed by the political
opposition research firm called Fusion GPS.
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you're listening to.
Speaker 2: This program, you are aware of what Fusion GPS does, right.
She worked for them between twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen,
and she was performing what they call open source research
in in an attempt to connect then presidential candidate Donald
Trump to Russian organized crime. This research was paid for
by the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign as well as the
Democratic National Committee the DNC. Both of these organizations ultimately
settled with the Federal Election Commission the FEC after allegations
of campaign finance violations for intentionally misreporting the true purpose
of the payments. At the time, while Or was employed
by Fusion GPS, you may recall her husband, Bruce or Bruce,
was an Associate Deputy Attorney General at the DOJ. Both
Nelly and Bruce testified to the House Committee on the
Judiciary and the House Committee on Oversighting Government Reform in
twenty eighteen. They testified as part of the those Committee's
oversight of the FBI's bogus twenty sixteen Crossfire Hurricane investigation
into Trump's disproven collusion with Russia.
Speaker 1: A year later.
Speaker 2: Not even then, Congressman Mark Meadows, who was a member
of the House Oversight Committee, filed a criminal referral with
the DOJ and asserted that Nelly Orr knowingly provided false
testimony to the House committees.
Speaker 1: To both of.
Speaker 2: Them, the FBI did an analysis in twenty nineteen to
see if there's evidence that she in fact lied. Here
are the key findings of the FBI's analysis. Nelly Orr
may have been involved in drafting aspects of the Steele
dossier and conspired with her husband, Bruce to ensure high
level FBI officials received her work product while Fusion Gps
coordinated with the media to legitimize the FBI's opening of
its now discredited Trump Russia investigation. Nellie Or may have
falsely testified to Congress that she had no knowledge of
the DOJ's Trump Russia investigation. Why would the FBI think
that she may have falsely testified, Well, she gave a
thumb drive containing her Fusion GPS work to her husband, Bruce.
He then provided that to the FBI as part of
its ongoing investigation. So when she said she had no
knowledge of the investigation, why would she give the thumb
drive to her husband, who is an Associate Deputy Attorney
General at DJ. Did Bruce ask for it and say
I can't tell you why I'm asking for it. Oh, hey,
I'd love to see your work product, and then he
just like scurried away and handed it off and she
had no idea. Probably not, because her email traffic also
showed she emailed her Russian investigative research directly to her husband.
She sent him an email with it all. Bruce only
shared information with the FBI relating to the Trump Russia
investigation after receiving it from his wife, So this wasn't
anything that he was sharing with them prior. He didn't
know about this stuff prior. He didn't have it in
a format to hand it off to the FBI. No, No,
it was only after his wife gave him all of
this stuff. Nellie and Bruce met personally with British intelligence
officer and Fusion GPS contractor Christopher Steele. They met with
him in twenty sixteen, which kind of obliterates the whole
idea that she would have no idea that there's an
investigation going on if her husband, Bruce is with her.
Fusion GPS pitched Nellie Or's research to the Department of
State for additional investigation. Per Department of State emails, Maybe
she wasn't aware that her employer was taking her work
and trying to give it to the Department of State.
Nellie yor then deleted emails with Russia focused DOJ prosecutors,
which I don't know about you, but to me indicates
an effort to conceal her exchanges with DOJ officials involved
in the Trump Russia investigation. Right, there's a reason this
looks like she was aware of the investigation. It's because
she was aware of the investigation.
Speaker 1: Of course she was.
Speaker 2: And so when she went in front of Congress and
said she was not aware, that was a lie. That's perjury,
and that's obstruction of a congressional investigation. She also may
have testified falsely to Congress that she was not involved
in drafting the Steele dossier. See, because she made an
error and analytical error in her Rea search, and that
same error, identical error, was in the Steele dossier somebody's
copy in somebody's work, and the FBI knew it.
Speaker 1: In twenty nineteen.
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reading from Chuck Grassley's news release, which is based off
of the FBI's internal analysis dating back to twenty nineteen
that has now been declassified at the request of Chuck Grassley,
declassified by Cash, Betel and Pambondi.
Speaker 1: And it's about Nelly Orr.
Speaker 2: Who was working for Fusion GPS, and how the FBI
did an analysis after Mark Meadows, then a congressman, Mark
Meadows asked for a criminal referral for perjury, accusing her
of lying under growth and so the FBI did this
analysis and they determined that yet likely she lied because
she said she had nothing to do with the Steele dossier,
she had nothing to do with the Department of Justice
investigation into the Trump Russia collusion hoax, when she did,
in direct contradiction to her congressional testimony, Nelly Or disseminated
Fusion GPS research to DOJ prosecutors beyond those that she
identified in her testimony, so she gave it to more
people than she led on. Also, in direct contradiction to
her congressional testimony, Nelly Or took six Ham radio classes,
no Tomato classes, just the Ham not even Lettuce and
took the classes and the exam during her time as
a Fusion g employee. Now, why is this important? Ham
radios can facilitate international communication without the use of a
cell signal. And she had claimed in her testimony that
her Ham radio training occurred before she went to work
for Fusion GPS, but records from the Fairfax Fire and
Rescue Department as well as the FCC records show that
Nellire's entire Ham radio training occurred between March twenty sixteen
through May of twenty sixteen, and that was while she
was working for Fusion GPS. So she lied about that
too clearly, and the FBI knew it. In twenty nineteen,
they knew it. Stephen Richards, writing a Justthnews dot com says,
the memo shows the Bureau assessed that Nelly Orr likely
lied to Congress in her testimony about the genesis of
the infamous Steele dossier, her interactions with DOJ officials, and
her knowledge of the Trump Russia probe crossfire Hurricane. Or
originally told investigators in October twenty eighteen that she had
no knowledge, but the memo shows that she shared investigative
materials with various people. Fusion GPS acted as the coordinating
hub of a multi pronged effort to spread the Russia
collusion allegations into the FBI. That's what Fusion GPS was doing.
Politico reported on this in twenty seventeen that, according to
unnamed sources, the Democrat National Committee as well as you
know what I'm going to say, Mark Elias.
Speaker 1: Loatheso is loaths. He's just Loathsome.
Speaker 2: Elias, a lawyer for Hillary Clinton who represented the DNC
as well as the Clinton campaign and hired Fusion Gps,
helped to bankroll the research. The DNC and Mark Elias
bankrolled the research. That's why I call him the bagman,
which led to the dossier. The memo details how a
second Trump Russia dossier was authored by longtime Clinton associate
Cody Shearer, which also ended up in FBI hands. That
memo the second memo was passed to the FBI through
Christopher Steele, who received it from a State Department official.
Speaker 1: I wonder who that was.
Speaker 2: The FBI investigator who drafted the declassified memo noted that
this second dossise, which the Bureau called the FSB Memo,
bore signs of close coordination between Fusion GPS and Christopher Steel.
The second memo was reported in the media as a
potential source of corroborating evidence to vouch for the later
discredited Steele dossier. They manufactured a corroborating source, so this
way the media could say that there are multiple sources.
This is laundering. That's what's going on. They're laundering the
Steele dossier through the FBI. They launder it through media.
They give, you know, on background, anonymous sourcing confirmation. Oh yeah,
this is happening. Oh yeah, we have. We've seen two
different memos, two different reports. They corroborate each other. You
can totally trust me. Remember what two days ago I
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the DOJ failed to prosecute Fusion GPS contractor Nelly Orr
for lying to Congress about her role in advancing the
Crossfire hurricane investigation. This is according to an internal FBI
analysis confirming her false congressional testimony Chuck Grassley's office. Senator
Grassley's office released the analysis and this is the story
over at just thenews dot com by Stephen Richards talking
about there was a second dossier besides the Steele dossier.
There was a second one that was referred to as
the FSB Memo, and that was reported in the media
as a potential source of corroborating evidence to vouch for
the Steele dossier. The declassified FBI memo shows the bureau
viewed the second memo, the FSB Memo, the FBI determined
it was quote obviously fictitious citing its wild claims and
divergence from the usual characteristics of reports from confidential human sources.
This analysis was from twenty nineteen, so the FBI knew. Additionally,
the FBI assessed that the second dossier, though purportedly independently produced,
appeared to be coordinated by Fusion GPS. Specifically, the FBI
investigators found a deleted copy of the FSB memo on
a thumb drive owned by Glenn Simpson, the co founder
of Fusion GPS. The declassified memo from the FBI shows
that the agency believed it was likely that Ore's research
served as a basis for many of the Trump Russia
documents that ended up in the FBI's possession and formed
the basis for the CrossFit Hurricane investigation. So Or lied
to Congress, but the statute of limitations for her crimes
five years, which means that the time for her being
indicted expired in twenty twenty three. But she may not
be out of the woods, so I'm not really sure
how this goes. But because criminal law allows an exception
to these statute of limitations, called the discovery rule, this
discovery rule postpones the start of the statute limitation. So
if you think of it like a clock running right
for the five years, it didn't start when the crime
was committed. Under the discovery rule, it could start when
the police or prosecutors later discover the crime. It's not
clear yet whether Attorney General Pam Bondi or the FBI
Director Cash Pattel intend to pursue that line of legal attack.
The crimes each carry a five year jail term and
are also subject to a maximum fine of ten thousand dollars.
But wait, there's more, and it's worse. So I mentioned
there were two different.
Speaker 1: Issues, right.
Speaker 2: The first is the one that I've just covered, the
nelly or lying to Congress and obstructing their investigation. Back
in twenty eighteen, the FBI had done this analysis. They're like, yeah,
she probably lied, here's all the evidence for it, and
they failed to prosecute, refused to prosecute.
Speaker 1: That's the first part. There's a.
Speaker 2: Case management system that the FBI uses, you know internally,
it's called Sentinel, okay, And this is where you would,
you know, put all the information for any of your cases.
You put them into this database. This way, if you
know you're working on some investigation and I'm working on
a different investigation in a different city, but there is
a connection made between our two cases. You would be
able to run a search in the Sentinel database in
this case management system, and you would find out, oh,
Pete's working a case and has some of the same
suspects or patterns or you know, whatever victims businesses. You
would be able to find nexus points. And so this
system has different levels of secrecy. So there's the unrestricted
where anybody can see it. Inside the FBI, there is
restricted for sensitive cases and information.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But if you go to Sentinel and you type in
you know, let's say you're you know, you're looking to
bust the Hamburglar, and so you type in Hamburglar and
you would get some results that come back in your
search through the database that find oh, Pete's working a
case against the Hamburglar. Also, okay, oh no, Pete's case
is restricted, and you may not have the ability then
to see it. So you would have to ask me
or ask your superiors or whatever to get access to
the file. But here's the key. You know the file exists,
you know there is an investigation. You know there's a
case because it pops up in your search, but the
details are hidden because it's restricted. But what if I
told you there's a third level. Because there is, it's
called prohibited access, and that means it doesn't even show
up in your search res results. So if I don't
want anybody to know that I'm investigating the Hamburglar, and
you run a search for Hamburglar, you're not even going
to see my cases.
Speaker 1: Pop.
Speaker 2: It allows agents. This sentinel system allows agents to hide
the existence of relevant investigative reports from other authorized users
of the database. You see where this is going, don't you.
During the Russia collusion hoax, special counsel Robert Muller's team
used the sentinel search functionality to keep potentially relevant documents
hidden from other FBI agents who were investigating whether a
Fusion GPS contractor lied to Congress Nelly or so. When
the FBI agents were doing that internal memo or the analysis, rather,
when they were doing their analysis of whether or not
or lied to Congress, they did not get access, nor
were they even aware of a whole bunch of stuff
because it was tagged as prohibited the significance of these
two facts, according to Margo Cleveland at the Federalist Dot
com She says it can't be overstated because now in
question is whether the federal government complies with the constitutional
mandate in criminal cases to provide defendants all material exculpatory
and impeachment evidence, as well as its discovery obligations in
civil litigation. Right, when you go to trial, the prosecution
has to give you everything that they have. Right you're
the defendant, you go to trial, you're accused of something,
your lawyers get through the process called discovery. The state
has to turn over everything that they have against you
so you can prepare a defense. And if they have
been marking things as prohibited access, it doesn't even show up.
If they're trying to comply with discovery requests or FOYA
requests or investigations inside the FBI itself. Agents don't even
know if there's other stuff going on in other departments
or or field offices or whatever. They are blinded to
this work, to this information. This now could jeopardize criminal prosecutions,
right civil matters. Anything in this database that's been marked
as prohibited, this is going to get very bad.
Speaker 1: I suspect, all right.
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tweet from Allen who says, Pete leave the Hamburglar alone,
hasn't he been through enough. I'm fair take him off
the cross Pete all right, it was merely an example.
I have no ill will towards the Hamburger. But he
just looks guilty, I mean, right, doesn't he?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So the problem with masking the database so people don't
know if there's actual information in the FBI database presents
a lot of really bad problems. As I mentioned, you
have your discovery obligations in criminal cases that the FEDS
may bring also in civil litigation discovery obligations.
Speaker 1: But also.
Speaker 2: Did Special Counsel John Durham did he have all of
this information the Inspector General, the agent's investigating the memor
of Crossfire Hurricane right when the investigation into the investigation occurred.
Did those teams have access did they even know about
the prohibited access classification? Whether the DOJ and the FBI
provided Congressional oversight committees with requested documents or even subpoenaed
documents when Congress would say, give us all your documents
on Crossfire Hurricane, did they get the stuff in the
super secret classified files?
Speaker 1: Apparently not?
Speaker 2: And whether freedom of information responses included all relevant documents
to the press and to the public later on in
this piece by Margot Cleveland, who's done extensive work on
the whole Crossfire Hurricane saga for years now. This is
at the Federalist dot com. It's called latest FBI Revelations
show the Muller Special Council was a cover up and
much more. The existence of the prohibited access classification came
as a surprise to several former career prosecutors as well
as FBI agents. One named Jay Town is a former
career prosecutor and the US Attorney for the Northern District
of Alabama under Trump one point zero. Jaytown told the
Federalists that he was not aware of the prohibited access
classification and shared that many of his colleagues likewise, had
never heard of it. He says, it's a staggering revelation
for nearly all of us. This is a former US
attorney who did not know what the FBI was doing
with their case management system Sentinel. The federal government is
legally obligated, in a variety of circumstance is to produce information,
but it cannot produce something that it does not know exists.
For instance, in criminal cases. The US Supreme Court has
held that the constitutions. Do Process guarantee requires the government
to disclose material exculpatory and impeachment evidence right so material
as in like important, very relevant. Exculpatory means things that
may prove your innocent or impeachment evidence, which is stuff
that may you know, undermine the credibility of an agent
or a source, a witness. The Department of Justice may
rely on the FBI, or sorry must rely the DOJ
has to rely on the FBI to provide this constitutionally
required evidence. This is known informally as the Brady slash
Giglio evidence, named after cases.
Speaker 1: Giglio.
Speaker 2: You may have heard this term more locally because a
Giglio ruling against a like a detective or like a
sheriff who used to be detective, whatever, like a Giglio
ruling would mean that you can't testify because you have
something in your background, some you know, offense, some malpractice
that you committed that now makes you an unreliable witness
on the stand. And if you get a Giglio on
you as a as a cop like, you're basically done
because you can never be called to testify. But the
FBI cannot possibly properly gather all of this material. This
exculpatory and impeachment evidence if the evidence is invisible to
the searcher of the Sentinel database because the material is
coded prohibited access. While the Brady Giglio rule only applies
in the criminal context, the federal government's discovery obligations in
civil litigation raise similar concerns. If documents responsive to a
discovery request are hidden behind the prohibited access designation, the
DOJ might not even know the material exists and thus
can't possibly provide it in response to discovery requests. Think
about all of the litigation that the federal government has
been in and if there is anything in any of
those cases that has been withheld from one of the
parties that's suing the federal government, I mean, think about
environmental projects, right or litigation. Without knowing when or why
or how often the FBI designates files as prohibited access
and whether, and if so, how the bureau ensures it
provides prohibited access evidence, we don't know. It's impossible to
assess the scope of the issue, and that is a
huge problem. The ramification of invisible records maintained within Sentinel
by use of the prohibited access designation extend far beyond
the realm of criminal prosecutions and civil litigation. The prohibited
access designation also thwarts the investigation of potential crimes Bike
Nelly or that's what they just found out with the
release of the FBI analysis. This thing was prohibited access.
It was only through a whistleblower that this came to
be known. The FBI knew, the DOJ should have known, right,
the FBI should have known. They should have told the DOJ. Like,
but it was prohibited access. If sentinel won't even show
the existence of responsive documents that are tagged prohibited access,
the federal government cannot possibly produce the material in response
to feuer requests, like running your own server and then
wiping it, you know, like with a cloth, right when
you control who gets to see the stuff, and then
you get to delete stuff out of there when people
come snooping around, like, that's prima facia evidence. That's the
smoking gun. That's why everyone said, oh, you know, where's
the smoking gun on Hillary's emails? The existence of the
server is the smoking gun. It always was. I wonder
if there's anything in the prohibited access files about that?
All right, that'll do it for this episode.
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