Speaker 1: Oh my god, When does this end? When will this end?
Speaker 2: Somebody please turn the heater on, will you?
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 2: I can't get warm.
Speaker 1: This has been going on for weeks, and I'm in California, gentle,
Speaker 1: temperate California. It's not happening, man. It has been miserably cold.
Speaker 1: Of course cold for me. Cold for us is like
Speaker 1: low forties, not quite freezing, but it's cold enough. I
Speaker 1: was out hiking yesterday, and I usually have nothing to
Speaker 1: say when it's cold, but I was uncomfortably.
Speaker 3: Iced.
Speaker 1: I was on ice. As I was trying to hike.
Speaker 1: I was on ice. I couldn't get warm.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 1: It's uncomfortable. And I don't know. I mean my girlfriends
Speaker 1: saying it's global warming.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, is it because you get older and you
Speaker 1: don't have the same layer of a fat? Well, I
Speaker 1: have my layers of fat. I just don't think it's
Speaker 1: I just think it's cold. It's just uncomfortably cold.
Speaker 3: Anyhow.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Earth Ancients. I'm your host, Cliff Dunning. If
Speaker 1: you want to see me, go to my Facebook page.
Speaker 1: I'm worrying my sweats sweatsuit. I've got my head covered
Speaker 1: and I got my microphones, got my earphones and my
Speaker 1: mic right in front of my face, and I'm shivering.
Speaker 1: I'm shivering because it's so cold. I've been having thoughts
Speaker 1: of Turkey and Turkey this year. We're going to be
Speaker 1: doing Turkey June twenty second, and we got some spots left.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see Cappadocia. We're gonna see Darren Kuru, the
Speaker 1: Underground City. We're gonna see go Beckley Teppee. But even
Speaker 1: more important, we're gonna get on the bus and drive
Speaker 1: another twenty miles and gonna we're gonna go see uh
Speaker 1: Carahan tippy That's the place everyone's got their eye on
Speaker 1: right now because the excavations are revealing not a few
Speaker 1: human like sculptures, but a whole bunch of new sculptures.
Speaker 1: There's a figure of a man. He's about eight feet
Speaker 1: tall with these ribs hanging out and he has this
Speaker 1: very unusual face. And when we were in the museum
Speaker 1: that's close by Karahan Tippye, there's a couple of female
Speaker 1: types and of this one eight foot tall man, and
Speaker 1: then these morphed anthropologically morphed creatures that are half man
Speaker 1: half animal that we're there too, so I don't know
Speaker 1: it's just they doing psychedelics.
Speaker 2: It sure looks like it.
Speaker 1: And we're just beginning to get a sense of who
Speaker 1: these people are. And there was a skull. I reported
Speaker 1: on a skull they had found. I think this is
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. We still have not heard
Speaker 1: any conclusive evidence of the age. But one of the
Speaker 1: things that came back is it was petrified.
Speaker 2: It was stone, so it must be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what the criteria is for stone,
Speaker 1: I mean bone to turn the stone, but it must
Speaker 1: be more than ten thousand years. It must be a
Speaker 1: lot more than that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna find out.
Speaker 1: I really want one of these guys that was over
Speaker 1: there a lot, either Hugh Newman, Andrew Collins, somebody who
Speaker 1: is reporting on it somewhat monthly, to be able to
Speaker 1: come back and go, hey, thirty fifty thousand years old,
Speaker 1: and that really begins to mark the time that these
Speaker 1: early sellers were in those parts of Turkey. So but anyhow,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a number of monasteries, we're gonna see
Speaker 1: the spice market, and the museums alone are worth the trip.
Speaker 1: So come out and join us.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a great tour.
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Speaker 1: You'll have a blast with us. Hey, by the way,
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Speaker 1: all over the world. So anyhow, Turkey is on my
Speaker 1: mind because it's warm and I am cold, and I
Speaker 1: really feel for you guys that live in sub zero
Speaker 1: minus zero temperatures because that's really grueling. And I can't
Speaker 1: imagine going out and hiking in like fifteen minus fifteen
Speaker 1: minus thirty degree whether I think at some point, and
Speaker 1: this is years ago, I think at some point, it's
Speaker 1: dangerous to go out when it's sub zero. Now does
Speaker 1: that mean sub zero minus ten, minus twenty minus thirty,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's If it's smart, you know
Speaker 1: to do that. And that's why people were face where
Speaker 1: they wear protective masks and things like that, because you
Speaker 1: can't expose your skin to that extreme weather. But anyhow,
Speaker 1: if you guys are dealing with that, man, I feel
Speaker 1: for you, and.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine here.
Speaker 1: I am crying about forty two to forty five degree
Speaker 1: fahrenheit and that's not anything close to what you're dealing with.
Speaker 1: So hang in there. Let's cross our fingers for a
Speaker 1: quick spring. So hey, I want to remind you Graham
Speaker 1: Hancock's going to be in the United States in April
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Speaker 1: be in Sedona, Arizona, and it's April nineteenth of the twentieth.
Speaker 1: If you have a chance to see him live, you
Speaker 1: should check it out. Graham's presentations are world class. They
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Speaker 1: program today, and it's always a pleasure having him on
Speaker 1: simply because he is constantly looking into man's antiquity on Earth.
Speaker 1: He has a new book coming out in the fall,
Speaker 1: and we will present be presenting that as it is available,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk a little bit about that. But
Speaker 1: today's program is about the Yuga Cycles. But not only that,
Speaker 1: he validates these cycles.
Speaker 2: You remember the.
Speaker 1: Extreme age of the cycles. The total time it takes
Speaker 1: to go through the whole Yuga cycle is four million,
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty thousand years, and it's broken into
Speaker 1: these periods of high a very high evolution, very high consciousness.
Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about his discoveries of elements
Speaker 1: of these extreme periods of Earth's history and what they
Speaker 1: look like. And a lot of people can't talk about that.
Speaker 1: Michael can because in his book Forbidden Archaeology he describes
Speaker 1: some of the intricate artifacts that have been found that
Speaker 1: are related to that. Now, if you have read Forbidden Archaeology,
Speaker 1: you know that he chronicles artifacts that are extremely old.
Speaker 1: He has some pieces that are over one hundred million
Speaker 1: years old. Artifacts that are like hammers and bells and
Speaker 1: coins that represent earlier civilizations, complete civilizations that came and
Speaker 1: went on Earth, I mean one hundred millions years ago.
Speaker 1: That would be during the dinosaurs. And so it's fascinating
Speaker 1: to listen to him, and he's not just casually talking
Speaker 1: about he's showing the evidence. A lot of these discoveries
Speaker 1: were made during the turn of the century, in the
Speaker 1: late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, and they're found in
Speaker 1: the coal mines or found in drill shafts coming up
Speaker 1: from half a mile in earth and beyond. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be fun and I and also one of the
Speaker 1: things we will talk about is the end of cali Yuga.
Speaker 1: We're currently in cali Yuga, which ends this year apparently
Speaker 1: two thousand and twenty five, and kind of extends itself
Speaker 1: between now and twenty thirty, so we got five years. Now,
Speaker 1: what does that mean. One of the things that has
Speaker 1: been an issue is that a lot of prophecy is
Speaker 1: that at the end of a cycle there is a
Speaker 1: catastrophe or there's some form of destruction. And we'll learn
Speaker 1: today I don't have to worry about that. But it's
Speaker 1: more of a consciousness raising or a cognition growing and
Speaker 1: preparing and evolving to this next level. So today's program
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Speaker 1: have Michael Krimo in the house. And of course if
Speaker 1: you're not familiar with his work, it's Forbidden Archaeology. So
Speaker 1: much has been written about this book, so many people
Speaker 1: reference it that it is it just it's a foundation
Speaker 1: for a lot of questions we have about our ancient past.
Speaker 1: And it's fun to have him on the program because
Speaker 1: he's constantly writing about the past and he has an
Speaker 1: Indian or Hindu influence that is profound. So Michael, welcome
Speaker 1: to Earth Ancient is great to see you again.
Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Cliffs and all your listeners
Speaker 3: and yours.
Speaker 1: I we touched on the Yugas last time you were
Speaker 1: on the program, and one of the things that I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about is they break the Yugas into
Speaker 1: four cycles. The most the earliest is the Sachya yoga
Speaker 1: and the complete cycle of the Yugas is four million,
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty thousand years. And when we read this,
Speaker 1: it's like, are they saying that human beings human like
Speaker 1: us lived during the earliest phases of the Satya or
Speaker 1: the treatsa yoga yoga, which are considered I mean such
Speaker 1: a yoga is considered the golden age of mankind. And
Speaker 1: in your book Forbidden in Archaeology, you actually show evidence
Speaker 1: of human remains, modern human remains that are I think
Speaker 1: a million years.
Speaker 3: Old, right and older?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: So is there or have you found written references anything
Speaker 1: that would give us a hint that this is an
Speaker 1: actual possibility other than physical remains?
Speaker 2: Is there?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, because one of the things that I've come
Speaker 1: across in my research is that it's a challenge when
Speaker 1: we get beyond say, ten thousand years ago, fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: years ago, because there's just nothing really defined. So how
Speaker 1: do we go about tracing the Satya Yoga period and
Speaker 1: the possibilities of a human being being living at that time.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a very good question, Cliff, and I think
Speaker 3: a lot depends upon our basic assumptions about the nature
Speaker 3: of reality, how we look at the cosmos and our
Speaker 3: place center and on this planet. Also, so, the Vedic
Speaker 3: cosmology of ancient India, which is the source of this
Speaker 3: Yuga concept, is a consciousness based universe. It's not a
Speaker 3: mattered based universe. That means there's more to a human
Speaker 3: being than just the bones and the flesh, the gross
Speaker 3: material elements like iron and calcium and phosphorus and all
Speaker 3: of that. There's a subtle mental body, you might say,
Speaker 3: with very unusual powers like remote viewing and psychokinesis and
Speaker 3: telepathy and things of that sort. And then beyond that
Speaker 3: there's a conscious self and during these time cycles there
Speaker 3: are different types of human like beings. One piece of
Speaker 3: information that's given in the Piranhas the they did histories
Speaker 3: is that in Satya Yuga, the people were living for
Speaker 3: about one hundred thousand years. In the next yuga they
Speaker 3: were living for about ten thousand years, and the third yuga,
Speaker 3: the Dwopera Yuga, they were living about a thousand years.
Speaker 3: And in the color Yuga. The age we're in now,
Speaker 3: we live about one hundred years maximum. So you see
Speaker 3: signs of that from other religious texts. Also, the Bible
Speaker 3: talks about people in ancient times who had lifetimes of
Speaker 3: up to one thousand years, eight hundred and nine hundred years,
Speaker 3: and things like that. But if you go back even
Speaker 3: before those times, they would have been living even longer
Speaker 3: periods of time. Also, well, do you want to make
Speaker 3: this one point that you know, how do we get
Speaker 3: knowledge about these things? One source is the record of
Speaker 3: the rocks, but that is a very limited aspect of things.
Speaker 3: You can have an archaeology of stones and bones, but
Speaker 3: you can also have an archaeology of consciousness where you
Speaker 3: get dig deep into the mystical, spiritual sources of information.
Speaker 3: So that's you know, you could say, the information that's
Speaker 3: left by these ancient civilizations is another source of information
Speaker 3: beyond the stones and bones of the fossil record. So
Speaker 3: they revealed that in the such a yoga. People were
Speaker 3: mostly very spiritually conscious, very aware of these things. They
Speaker 3: lived in a very simple, natural way. They hadn't divided
Speaker 3: themselves into different social classes. Everything was very highly refined
Speaker 3: in terms of their intellectual abilities, the mystic powers that
Speaker 3: they had, their ability to get along with each other
Speaker 3: and live with each other peacefully, and put most of
Speaker 3: their energy into developing that resource of consciousness. In the
Speaker 3: next age to tray to Yuga, they began to divide
Speaker 3: themselves up into groups, and the lifetime was shorter ten
Speaker 3: thousand years, and they began to divide themselves into social
Speaker 3: classes intellectuals, military and government people, business people and an agriculturist,
Speaker 3: tradesmen and craftsmen, and things got a little bit tense,
Speaker 3: you could say. By the time you get to the
Speaker 3: next Uga, it's kind of broken out into open warfare,
Speaker 3: and the lifetime gets shorter a thousand years, and things
Speaker 3: get more materialistic, and finally you come to our age,
Speaker 3: which is described as an age of ever increasing social
Speaker 3: and environmental disturbance. You get a very short lifetime, very
Speaker 3: violent society, and the lifetime will get even shorter as
Speaker 3: the colored Yoga goes on. But then there'll be another
Speaker 3: subject yoga, so the system will rebuilt, you could say,
Speaker 3: so we as individual spirit souls, we may have been
Speaker 3: going through these cycles for millions and millions and millions
Speaker 3: of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, has anything, to your knowledge been saved from satya
Speaker 1: or treat to these earlier phases that you can mark
Speaker 1: and the examples I like you to define, And I
Speaker 1: think this is what I believe. I think yoga, the
Speaker 1: practice of yoga is far ancient than we far more
Speaker 1: ancient than we believe. And also the practice of meditation
Speaker 1: seems to be an unders standing of human physiology, but
Speaker 1: also its connection to the spiritual realms. So that doesn't
Speaker 1: seem to be a Cali yoga practice or a dwarf
Speaker 1: power it could.
Speaker 2: I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: Do you come across any writings that would define these
Speaker 1: advanced techniques to be human into.
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, absolutely, And the subch meditation was considered to
Speaker 3: be the main form of self realization or God realization.
Speaker 3: And the next age where they had divided themselves up
Speaker 3: at the classes, they kind of got into what's called
Speaker 3: ritual or sacrifice, you know, elaborate arrangements that required a
Speaker 3: great deal of wealth, you know, So you had the
Speaker 3: ruling class and society organizing these big arrangements, and you know,
Speaker 3: so people could feel pious and contributing to them and
Speaker 3: attending these jung yas or sacrifices as they were called.
Speaker 3: And then in the next age it elaborate temple worship,
Speaker 3: you know, making a structure, you know, like you have
Speaker 3: the Vatican in the role, you have the cathedrals throughout Europe,
Speaker 3: you know, Buddhist temples in Asia and things like that.
Speaker 3: That became the main thing. But in this age of college,
Speaker 3: there's according to the tradition that I follow anyways, the
Speaker 3: the main way of keeping oneself spiritually situated is mantra meditation,
Speaker 3: the sound of sacred sounds. We all like to hear things,
Speaker 3: but if we can focus our hearing on these mantras.
Speaker 3: Mantra is a Sanskrit word. It means lawn is the
Speaker 3: mind and trump means to deliver. So you can kind
Speaker 3: of focus your mind on these higher things by mautra meditation.
Speaker 1: And what does that do to the brain, Because I
Speaker 1: actually practice mantra meditation, But does that harmonize the brain
Speaker 1: to receive the higher information or connect with the higher realms?
Speaker 2: What does that do.
Speaker 3: Well, it's exactly what you just said. It does all
Speaker 3: those things, and there have been studies, medical studies and
Speaker 3: psychological studies of the effects of it that there are,
Speaker 3: uh you could say, side benefits and in addition to
Speaker 3: its internal spiritual effects, it does seem to uh harmonize
Speaker 3: people with each other and their environment. So there have
Speaker 3: been studies on the effects of montra meditation.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, Mike, Michael. You mentioned at the
Speaker 1: beginning about sechya yoga a suit ya setya you guys,
Speaker 1: excuse me, and paranormal abilities, And in the Maya book
Speaker 1: of Cuichi Theo, they just in the very beginning that
Speaker 1: their ancestors could see great distance without leaving their space
Speaker 1: kind of. I think that's the same as you would
Speaker 1: consider by locating. And they could also perceive other dimensions,
Speaker 1: and it seems like they're describing a very advanced human being.
Speaker 3: Oh. Absolutely. In the Piranhas there are descriptions of some
Speaker 3: of these mystic powers, and the one that you're talking
Speaker 3: about is called door darshan, the ability to see things
Speaker 3: at a distance. And actually that's the name of the
Speaker 3: Indian government's national television network. Really darshan you see it
Speaker 3: in a distance. In modern terms, it's often called remote viewing
Speaker 3: and apparently sat ability that we all have. Actually, I
Speaker 3: think our modern technologies like smartphones and things like that
Speaker 3: are our effort to reduplicate what abilities people naturally had
Speaker 3: and exercised in previous ages. But it's just being presented
Speaker 3: to us in a commercialized way that can monetize it
Speaker 3: for people. But yeah, I mean, I've participated in remote
Speaker 3: you any experiments, and you know, I tend to believe
Speaker 3: in these things. But once I was with Rupert Sheldrake
Speaker 3: and we were in Montreal and a conference that Steven
Speaker 3: Schwartz was also speaking at, and he was one of
Speaker 3: the original investigators with the Stanford Research Institute that was
Speaker 3: contracted by the United States government intelligence agencies in the
Speaker 3: nineteen seventies to do remote viewing experiments as part of
Speaker 3: gathering intelligence about the Soviet Union. And he kind of
Speaker 3: led a little workshop that I attended with the Rupert
Speaker 3: Sheldrake and he sent some people away from the workshop,
Speaker 3: told him to go anywhere they want in Montreal and
Speaker 3: when they get there, just try to mentally send an
Speaker 3: image of the place back to us. In the hotel,
Speaker 3: and he gave them a video camera and told him
Speaker 3: to take pictures and shoot some video of the place.
Speaker 3: So they went and then we did the remote viewing exercise.
Speaker 3: He just said, write down whatever imagery comes into your mind,
Speaker 3: don't think about it, don't edit it, just put it down.
Speaker 3: So the first image that came to my mind was
Speaker 3: candle flames and red glass folders. So later the people
Speaker 3: come back, they show the tape and the first image
Speaker 3: that cups on the screen is candle flames and red
Speaker 3: glass holders. You know, they kind of gone to the
Speaker 3: cathedral in Montreal, and you know, so I kind of
Speaker 3: was able to detect that. And actually, uh, of course
Speaker 3: you we were asked to, uh, write down what do
Speaker 3: we see when we look up when we look down
Speaker 3: to the lab. Yeah, and a lot of people have
Speaker 3: got it basically correct, so you know, it's it's it's interesting.
Speaker 3: It's a bit of paranormal research that one can experience oneself.
Speaker 1: Do you think that these skills are uh innate in
Speaker 1: most people? We just don't practice them or is it
Speaker 1: is it just a select few that have allowed it
Speaker 1: to come forth.
Speaker 3: Well, it's one reason why I like the research of
Speaker 3: Rupert Sheldrake, because he gives many common things that we
Speaker 3: can do to show that we actually do have these powers.
Speaker 3: And I think they are innate in everyone. But like
Speaker 3: anything else, you know, if you practice it, if you
Speaker 3: learn it and study it, you get better at it.
Speaker 3: So I really like Rippert's work on that mor for
Speaker 3: genetic fields.
Speaker 1: Right, would you say that, would you say that.
Speaker 2: There is.
Speaker 1: An interesting possibility that yoga, as simple as it can be,
Speaker 1: is an advanced form of exercise that could go back
Speaker 1: perhaps a million years.
Speaker 3: Yes, Actually, there are descriptions in the text of the
Speaker 3: Piranhas that describe yoga going on ages and very distant ages,
Speaker 3: many millions of years ago. Actually, you know, we have
Speaker 3: to keep in mind that the data cosmos, the cosmos
Speaker 3: in which yoga takes place, is a multi dimensional, multi
Speaker 3: level cosmos, and there's not just one universe. There millions
Speaker 3: of universes, and the system of yoga has been present
Speaker 3: in all of them for ages, you know, since time immemorial.
Speaker 3: It's not something that was invented at some particular point
Speaker 3: in time. But the very word yoga means to connect,
Speaker 3: so it means connecting the individual self with the supreme self.
Speaker 3: And understanding and understanding that is the ultimate purpose of yoga,
Speaker 3: and there are different systems of yoga. In modern times,
Speaker 3: it's become pretty much identified with making the physical body grows,
Speaker 3: physical body healthier and stronger, which is okay. But ultimately,
Speaker 3: if you look at the yoga system, part of it
Speaker 3: is yama, and the yama you know, things to do
Speaker 3: and things not to do. Then there's awesome a sitting
Speaker 3: and then there's pronaia controlling the breathing. You know. So
Speaker 3: a lot of people kind of stopped there with the
Speaker 3: sitting postures and the different uh yoga postures and the
Speaker 3: proniam the controlling the breathing. But beyond that there's uh
Speaker 3: gianna meditation, uh Gianna concentrated meditation, then samadi uh total
Speaker 3: absorption of consciousness, and the supreme so uh you've got
Speaker 3: to follow it through all of its processes. And so
Speaker 3: that's one type of yoga. The specific type of yoga
Speaker 3: that I follow is called Bakki yoga and the yoga
Speaker 3: of demotion, which means each soul has an eternal relationship
Speaker 3: with the Supreme soul, the source of all conscious beings,
Speaker 3: and uncomforting that relationship, which is one of such at Ananda.
Speaker 3: Eternal existence, full knowledge, and ever increasing transcendental pleasure is
Speaker 3: the ultimate good of that practice of yoga. And I
Speaker 3: regard what I do what I'm doing here when I'm speaking,
Speaker 3: when I'm writing about these topics, I consider that part
Speaker 3: of my practice of the yoga.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because you were mentioning breath work, and
Speaker 1: it's actually part of a Yogic tradition, and breath is
Speaker 1: life for the body. So controlling the breath is a really,
Speaker 1: really big and important practice.
Speaker 2: To be conscious of it, I think, is what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dgoing and outgoing breath holding it. Yeah. Actually,
Speaker 3: according to eire Veda, which is the Veda medical science,
Speaker 3: there are many air channels going throughout the whole body,
Speaker 3: you know, that are responsible, as you say, for the
Speaker 3: vital functions and things like that. So yeah, keeping those
Speaker 3: air channels and the breath uh in the right state
Speaker 3: can help help very much with keeping the body set.
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Speaker 1: my guest today, author researcher Michael Kremo discussing Forbidden Archaeology.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Michael Krimo is my guest today.
Speaker 1: He is the author of Forbidden Archaeology and the sooner
Speaker 1: to release new book Extreme Human Antiquity, where he actually
Speaker 1: chronicles evidence of human skeletal remains older than a million
Speaker 1: years old. Would you say that acupuncture is one of
Speaker 1: these satya or advanced techniques. Our modern medicine isn't really
Speaker 1: up to energy, and the Chinese identify this meridian, this
Speaker 1: super highway of energy that runs throughout the body, and
Speaker 1: using very fine needles, they can change and correct disharmonies.
Speaker 2: I'm a very.
Speaker 1: Big advocate of acupuncture, and I'm just curious. Although we
Speaker 1: think it's five thousand plus years old, it seems like
Speaker 1: it's much older than that. It's just such a brilliant
Speaker 1: way to understand the subtleties of the body. And it
Speaker 1: feels like a saccio or trita type of a practice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, it's really kind of amazing. You know,
Speaker 3: for many years I've been attending a conference called the
Speaker 3: Science of Consciousness, and it's composed of researchers, you know,
Speaker 3: cognitive scientists and neuroscientists who are dealing with the phenomenon
Speaker 3: of consciousness, which you really couldn't do a couple of
Speaker 3: decades ago in science scientific circles. But I heard a
Speaker 3: presentation from an anesthesiologist, a Western train an esthetic expert,
Speaker 3: you know that kind of puts you out during operations.
Speaker 3: He said he went to China and he saw a
Speaker 3: open heart surgery operation on a woman just using acupuncture
Speaker 3: for anesthesia. Wow. And in that in an operation like that,
Speaker 3: they take a saw, they cut open the breastbone and
Speaker 3: pulled the ribs apart and operate on the heart. And
Speaker 3: he said, this woman was just sitting there conscious fully awake.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, you know, he said, this is amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he saw it himself, and he really He went on
Speaker 3: to explain that science really doesn't understand how anestesthasia works. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I think they don't have the proper conception of
Speaker 3: the body and the different energies and it. And yeah, so,
Speaker 3: like you said, it's a subtle science that has an
Speaker 3: origin that goes way back in time.
Speaker 1: You know, And we don't have any documents about acupuncture.
Speaker 1: But recently some scientists have discovered that there are mummies
Speaker 1: from the Neolithic period that had tattoos that used acu
Speaker 1: They believe it was for acupressure, so pressing down on
Speaker 1: these meridians and getting the same results that an acupuncture
Speaker 1: would get, except they're using pressure points. So this is
Speaker 1: like an ancient knowledge that must have been used in
Speaker 1: a brilliant fashion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess there is. And trying a whole system.
Speaker 3: I don't know, my Chinese pronunciation isn't so good, but
Speaker 3: chi kong something like that, you're gone, yeah, yeah, where
Speaker 3: they have this conception that there's this energy field that
Speaker 3: pervades the whole body, that it's kind of connected with
Speaker 3: the larger cosmos in terms of astrology and things like that.
Speaker 3: So I think it is important for people to realize
Speaker 3: we're not just molecular machinery. There were not robot vehicles
Speaker 3: made of matter. There's this soublty mental body I call it,
Speaker 3: that's associated with our organism. And I think a lot
Speaker 3: of these medical techniques from ancient wisdom traditions are based
Speaker 3: on the understanding of the connection of the mental body
Speaker 3: with the gross physical body, whereas Western science just thinks
Speaker 3: in terms of fixing the machinery of the gross physical body.
Speaker 3: These higher systems of knowledge were able to take it
Speaker 3: to another level.
Speaker 1: In the Yuga system, it says that each cycle is
Speaker 1: divided by a catastrophic event or a huge change. Do
Speaker 1: you show writing or do you have evidence of writing
Speaker 1: of the most recent catastrophic event, which is like nine
Speaker 1: five hundred BCE, roughly twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: In the Veining system, they talked about major catastrophes, the
Speaker 3: kind of catastrophe that took place ten thousand or whatever
Speaker 3: one thousand, number of thousands of years you're referring to.
Speaker 3: It's more of a minor event, but there is information
Speaker 3: like the last major strophic event would be the asteroid
Speaker 3: impact that wiped out the dinosaurs about sixty five million
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 4: So that kind of that level of catastrophe, according to
Speaker 4: the datas, over the past two billion years, have occurred
Speaker 4: about six times, and it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: There's a rough parallel with modern geology and paleontology, which
Speaker 3: tells us that over the past couple of billion years,
Speaker 3: there have been six major extinction events spaced at intervals
Speaker 3: of several hundred million years, So that basic parallel is
Speaker 3: is there there so, but as far as these other
Speaker 3: incidents there may have been something about say five thousand
Speaker 3: years ago, which is when the color Yuga began, but
Speaker 3: I'm not expecting a major catastrophe until about one hundred
Speaker 3: and eighty million years from now. I remember during twenty
Speaker 3: twelve there was a lot of thought that there was
Speaker 3: going to be a catastrophe from the Mayan calendars. Some
Speaker 3: people had gotten the idea that the end of a
Speaker 3: cycle was coming in twenty twelve and that there was
Speaker 3: going to be a huge devastation. And there was actually
Speaker 3: a movie, Hollywood movie that came out in twenty twelve
Speaker 3: about it kind of showed some monks up in the
Speaker 3: Mlaan mount sent a huge tidal wave taller than Mount
Speaker 3: Everest was coming up the think them out to wash
Speaker 3: them away. And just so happened that in twenty twelve,
Speaker 3: I was giving lectures at colleges and universities in India,
Speaker 3: and that was the question I kept getting from the students.
Speaker 3: Is there going to be a devastation at the end
Speaker 3: of twenty twelve December twenty twelve, and I said, as
Speaker 3: far as I know, there is going to be a devastation,
Speaker 3: but it's going to be about one hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: million years from now, so you can go ahead and
Speaker 3: register for next semesters. That's hilarious and it kind of
Speaker 3: worked out that way. We're still here. Hey.
Speaker 1: I meant I wanted you to if you could report
Speaker 1: on some of the evidence of extreme antiquity, or in
Speaker 1: other words, items that have been discovered in layers of strata.
Speaker 1: Like there was a famous hammer that was found in
Speaker 1: Texas and it was I think it's dated to several
Speaker 1: hundred thousand years and it was very well formed.
Speaker 2: It had a wood handle and it.
Speaker 1: Had a forged metal head. That's one example. But can
Speaker 1: you talk, can you give us a few examples of
Speaker 1: items that you have come across that reveal extreme antiquity.
Speaker 3: Well, of course the one you just mentioned, the London
Speaker 3: hammer from Texas is one of those items. I've seen
Speaker 3: that personally. Some years ago, there was a collector and
Speaker 3: researcher in Fianna, Austria that put together a whole collection
Speaker 3: of human artifacts from very very ancient times, and somehow
Speaker 3: or other he had gotten from whoever owns the United
Speaker 3: States that London hammer and he displayed it at that
Speaker 3: conference and I saw it there. Actually, it's from the
Speaker 3: Cretaceous period. The age of the dinosaurs, so it got
Speaker 3: to be about one hundred million years old.
Speaker 2: One hundred million years old.
Speaker 3: If we go by the geological position in which it
Speaker 3: was found. Yes, but are there are all kinds of
Speaker 3: interesting anomalies. Like in the nineteenth century, there was they
Speaker 3: were drilling a well near law In Springs in the
Speaker 3: state of Illinois, and when they got down sorry about that,
Speaker 3: when they got down to when they got down to
Speaker 3: the level of about one hundred and twelve feet, a
Speaker 3: copper round object that looked like a coin came up.
Speaker 3: And on this copper coin were some figures of human
Speaker 3: beings and a script and an unknown language. And this
Speaker 3: was reported and you know, scientific publication by researcher from
Speaker 3: the Smithsonian Institution. And I thought, well, that's interesting. Let
Speaker 3: me get in touch with the State Geological Survey of
Speaker 3: Illinois and asked them how old is the formation that
Speaker 3: this came from. Of course, I didn't tell them about
Speaker 3: the coin. I just told them, you know, I'm interested
Speaker 3: in a well boring that was done in this certain
Speaker 3: place in Illinois. I didn't mention the artifact because then
Speaker 3: they might have ignored the letter. And I asked them
Speaker 3: what is the Formation at that level, and how old
Speaker 3: is it and they said, well, that's they gave the
Speaker 3: name of the formation and they said that's between two
Speaker 3: hundred and four hundred thousand years old. So to you
Speaker 3: have to keep a eye that. The standard view is
Speaker 3: that the first coins were made in a place called Lydia,
Speaker 3: which is now in Turkey, about fifteen hundred BC. And
Speaker 3: you know, as far as human beings being present in
Speaker 3: North America, they don't think any human beings were in
Speaker 3: North America any earlier than about twenty or twenty five
Speaker 3: thousand years ago. So that kind of had the copper
Speaker 3: coin that sort of indicates there was some kind of
Speaker 3: civilization there, some kind of developed economy, some kind of
Speaker 3: government administration, some trade going on. So that was kind
Speaker 3: of an interesting discuss.
Speaker 1: And there there's a there was a bell that was forged.
Speaker 1: I think you have it in your book. I can't
Speaker 1: remember what layer they found it, but it was a
Speaker 1: forged bell of some kind. Uh, And I don't remember
Speaker 1: how what metal it was, but I think go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, that came from West Virginia. There
Speaker 3: was a man there who recalled. When he was young,
Speaker 3: he was putting coal into a cold burning stove, yeah,
Speaker 3: which you know, or furnace you know, in the house
Speaker 3: in West Virginia. And uh, when he was breaking open
Speaker 3: one piece of cold to break it into smaller pieces
Speaker 3: to put into the furnace, he found a metal bell
Speaker 3: and on the handle of this bell, on the top
Speaker 3: of the tip of the handle, there was a winged
Speaker 3: figure standing there and they were able to determine what
Speaker 3: mine the coal came from, and from that information we
Speaker 3: learned that the coal in that mine is about three
Speaker 3: hundred million years old. So what was really interesting to
Speaker 3: me was that the bell looked just like metal bells
Speaker 3: in India that are used in Tempa worship that have
Speaker 3: on their handle a winged figure who is known as Garuda,
Speaker 3: a bird carrier of the god Vishnu. So that was
Speaker 3: kind of interesting that there may have been contact between
Speaker 3: North America and Asia going about hundreds of millions of years.
Speaker 2: Amazing.
Speaker 1: I've always wondered why we don't find technology from these
Speaker 1: earlier epochs. And when we read the Vedas, we hear
Speaker 1: about the flying craft, and we hear about technology weaponry that's.
Speaker 2: Described. Have you come across.
Speaker 1: Evidence of technology that is probably either too advanced for
Speaker 1: us to understand exactly what it is, or like spark
Speaker 1: plugs or something from an engine, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: I heard a story years ago of a vamana being
Speaker 1: found in an Afghani cave, and you might have remembered
Speaker 1: that story. And the military went out there and it
Speaker 1: had an energy energy field and it killed a soldier
Speaker 1: who walked into it. And I mean, who knows what
Speaker 1: the stories are, but you know, vamana would really let
Speaker 1: the cat out of the bag, wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, it would. And you know, one interesting thing is
Speaker 3: that the modern UFO phenomenon started in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 3: And these people in the nineteen fifties who started reporting
Speaker 3: these things, they didn't know anything about the ancient Sanskrit
Speaker 3: writings of India. But it's interesting that their descriptions of
Speaker 3: what they observed in terms of the behavior of these
Speaker 3: UFOs matched pretty much exactly the observations and descriptions of
Speaker 3: these things that are given in texts that were written
Speaker 3: thousands of years ago. You know, the parallels between those
Speaker 3: ancient descriptions in the modern descriptions are really sort of
Speaker 3: a proof in themselves that we're actually talking about some
Speaker 3: real phenomena. You know, unless you just want to say
Speaker 3: that people living in very distant times and places from
Speaker 3: ours just have a similar tendency to Hallu senate and
Speaker 3: fantasize in certain ways, that doesn't seem like a very
Speaker 3: good explanation to me. It seems the explanation is both
Speaker 3: both parties are looking at the same thing. So that's
Speaker 3: the kind of proof. But the piranhas, the Vedic histories
Speaker 3: are full of very elaborate descriptions of flying machines, spaceships
Speaker 3: that come under the heading of vivanos that's the Sanskrit
Speaker 3: word for them. So and as far as high tech remains,
Speaker 3: it's something we have to keep in mind that our
Speaker 3: high tech stuff really doesn't survive for a long time
Speaker 3: in terms of geological time. Studies have been done. You know,
Speaker 3: a lot of scientists are concerned with the environment, global warming.
Speaker 3: You know, they're concerned that the byproducts of technological civilization
Speaker 3: are polluting the earth. So sometimes they speculate, what if
Speaker 3: humans disappeared from the earth today, what would happen to
Speaker 3: the remains of our technological civilization? How long would it
Speaker 3: take the Earth to get back to a purely natural state,
Speaker 3: and it doesn't take very long. They've shown how after
Speaker 3: a few hundred or thousand years, our big skyscrapers will collapse,
Speaker 3: you know, the iron and then that supports the iron
Speaker 3: columns will uh outionize, the plastic of the glass will
Speaker 3: fall off, the little corrode. Yeah, you know, our high
Speaker 3: tech stuff actually won't last very long. You know. So
Speaker 3: you go back a few hundred thousand years. Unless you're
Speaker 3: specifically looking for some very specific signs, like evidence for
Speaker 3: compounds that don't naturally occur in nature, you're not going
Speaker 3: to find very much of it. So so I mean, there's.
Speaker 1: I can't I mean, I've seen I've been and looked
Speaker 1: into your book a number of different times. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: a reference to these these anomalies, these objects. But what
Speaker 1: you're seeing is that we're I'm not going to find
Speaker 1: anything that's metal or any kind of a composite because
Speaker 1: it's going to disintegrate. But is there any evidence of
Speaker 1: manufacturing tooling that is of extreme age.
Speaker 3: Well, again we're getting into the question of what's preserved
Speaker 3: in the record of the rocks, which doesn't give a
Speaker 3: complete story, you know, I mean, even in terms of geology,
Speaker 3: you know, the Earth is constantly undergoing erosion, and you
Speaker 3: know there's plate tectonics, which says what's now on the
Speaker 3: surface will go under deep into the earth. So about
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the geological layers that have ever been
Speaker 3: deposited or now gone, we don't have a complete record there.
Speaker 3: What is there is valuable that it contradicts much of
Speaker 3: what we're being told today. But for the actual story,
Speaker 3: our best source of information may be the records that
Speaker 3: have been left by these ancient civilizations and have been
Speaker 3: transmitted perhaps orally, for generation after generation. So they contain
Speaker 3: descriptions of cities with airplanes and spaceships, and as you
Speaker 3: were saying, militaries equipped with weapons that resemble modern atomic weapons,
Speaker 3: for example. So yes, there are descriptions of things like
Speaker 3: that that come from this other source, and we may
Speaker 3: be able to detect signs of advanced technology, as I said,
Speaker 3: maybe not in terms of having the exact artifacts, but
Speaker 3: through chemical testing and things like that, detecting perhaps past
Speaker 3: nuclear events nuclear wars, from radioactive elements discovered in certain
Speaker 3: types of layers of rock, or the residues of different
Speaker 3: compounds that don't occur in nature, like a lot of
Speaker 3: our modern technology is based on material science that takes
Speaker 3: different elements and combines them in different ways that wouldn't
Speaker 3: occur naturally. So it may require a different kind of
Speaker 3: approach to archaeology to get that type of evidence, because
Speaker 3: it's not the normal type of evidence that archaeologists are
Speaker 3: usually looking for. They're looking for some physical bone or
Speaker 3: object that can that can help them understand what was
Speaker 3: going on in the past, but it may have to
Speaker 3: be taken to a different level.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 1: with my guests today. Author research investigator Michael Cremo will
Speaker 1: be right back. Michael Cremo is my guest today. He
Speaker 1: is the author of Forbidden Archaeology in a brand new
Speaker 1: book coming out this spring called Extreme Human Antiquity. You know,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you, Michael, about unusual hominids
Speaker 1: that have been found on Earth. I had a geologist
Speaker 1: on the program who wrote a book called The Expanding Earth,
Speaker 1: and his theory was that at different times in Earth's history,
Speaker 1: it was closer to the Earth, and then through various
Speaker 1: actions of other planets, it was pulled away from it,
Speaker 1: causing the gravitation of the Earth to be different. He
Speaker 1: believes that's the reason that the dinosaurs were so huge,
Speaker 1: is that the Earth was at a different location. And
Speaker 1: I'm curious. We have all these strange skeletal remains of
Speaker 1: these different hominids, and in Maya lore there were beings
Speaker 1: that were different from us. They may have been of
Speaker 1: the Homo sapien class, but they weren't necessarily they didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily look like this. And we have this also appearing
Speaker 1: in Peru with the practice people who seem to have
Speaker 1: a denser bone, who had much longer craniums. In fact,
Speaker 1: their brain capacity is like thirty percent more than ours.
Speaker 1: So what's your theory on this? Do you have any
Speaker 1: evidence in the Veda that talks about Earth changing its
Speaker 1: position with the Sun and the cosmos.
Speaker 3: If you look into the Vedic cosmology. Again, we have
Speaker 3: to keep in mind that the Vedic universe is a
Speaker 3: consciousness based universe, so a lot can happen, you know,
Speaker 3: just like in a virtual reality game. You know, you
Speaker 3: can go from level to level, things can be changed.
Speaker 3: So our universe is more like that, I think, than
Speaker 3: just balls of gas and rock floating in an empty space.
Speaker 3: It's more like entering into a virtual reality system which
Speaker 3: can be changed in many ways according to the information
Speaker 3: that's being fed into it. So we have that. But now,
Speaker 3: as far as the different types of humanoid types of creatures,
Speaker 3: the Vedas tell us that there are four hundred thousand
Speaker 3: human like species scattered throughout the universe, not necessarily present
Speaker 3: on this planet, but when we consider the whole universe,
Speaker 3: there are four hundred thousand human like species. As you mentioned,
Speaker 3: one with a large cranial capacity. That kind of reminds
Speaker 3: me of very recent discovery made in China where Chinese
Speaker 3: scientists have identified a new species they call Homo julu
Speaker 3: ensiss So Julu is a word that means big head.
Speaker 3: They discovered fragments of the skulls of these creatures that
Speaker 3: they're giving this new species name too, and they show
Speaker 3: they had a cranial capacity of up to eighteen hundred
Speaker 3: cubic centimeters, which is bigger than the biggest human brains.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you do have quite quite a variety of
Speaker 3: prominent type preachers. Now they think that around that time
Speaker 3: they had Neanderthals, Denisovans, Homo floresiensis sometimes called the hobbit
Speaker 3: from Floris Island in Indonesia and Luzon and the island
Speaker 3: of Luzon in the Philippines. They've identified another new species
Speaker 3: they call Homo Luza luzon ensis, and you know, I
Speaker 3: would throw it to the mixed human beings like ourselves
Speaker 3: as well, So it's kind of interesting. First published Forbidden Archaeology,
Speaker 3: the main view in science was that human evolution went
Speaker 3: on in a very linear way, with one hominint existing
Speaker 3: at a time and transforming into the next, from Homo
Speaker 3: habilis to Homo erectus, to the Neanderthals to early Homo
Speaker 3: sapiens to Homo sapiens. Very linear. But we predicted and
Speaker 3: Forbidden Archaeology that the actual pattern is one of coexistence
Speaker 3: of many hominin types, and modern science has come around
Speaker 3: to that point of view.
Speaker 1: So does that mean that we, as you were saying,
Speaker 1: we live in harmony and coexisted with these other dominins
Speaker 1: and not necessarily harmony, Yeah, right, because we could have
Speaker 1: been fighting with him or whatever. But is it because
Speaker 1: the environments were such that these other beings could live
Speaker 1: with Homo sapien sapien or as I as this geologist
Speaker 1: was mentioning the Earth was closer to the Sun and
Speaker 1: the gravity was different, and it was able to produce
Speaker 1: giants or people of different bone density or whatever, and
Speaker 1: we just have lived the most recently because we are
Speaker 1: the survivors of the of the current environment.
Speaker 2: What's your suggestion on that.
Speaker 3: Well, in the general principle of being different environments accommodating
Speaker 3: being different sizes, I agree with that, and it's actually
Speaker 3: part of the vada system of the Yugas and the
Speaker 3: color Yuga people and all living things are smaller and
Speaker 3: the previous yoga they were bigger. So there's an account
Speaker 3: in the Piranhas of a being, a human being existing
Speaker 3: in a previous yoga when things were bigger than they
Speaker 3: are today, going to sleep in a cave, and waking
Speaker 3: up when the next yoga came and he could tell
Speaker 3: them was the color yoga because everyone was smaller than him,
Speaker 3: and when he walked out, he was considered to be
Speaker 3: a giant. So that idea is the concept that because
Speaker 3: of changing environments, living beings can be of different sizes,
Speaker 3: is something that I agree with.
Speaker 1: I think the other thing I'm curious about, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have reference in writing, is the
Speaker 1: planting by other species, other alien races of kind of
Speaker 1: a being to see if they survive. And this has
Speaker 1: always been my contention that the other planets are actually
Speaker 1: using Earth as kind of a Petri dish and seeing
Speaker 1: how you know, races or experiments survive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the general principle, I accept that there's extraterustrial in
Speaker 3: the presence of life, especially human life on this planet.
Speaker 3: I think it is a kind of you could say,
Speaker 3: experimental sort of place, and that in the sense that
Speaker 3: we're here to learn something, you know, to either remain
Speaker 3: on this material platform or understand I am being in
Speaker 3: pure consciousness and I belong in a different realm. So
Speaker 3: it is kind of an experiment, and how we each
Speaker 3: act in terms of that experiment will determine our future.
Speaker 3: But there there are many accounts in the Vedic text
Speaker 3: of interdimensional contacts, say where a person will have a
Speaker 3: celestial father and a terrestrial mother, and this is found
Speaker 3: in many of the world's traditions that you know, there
Speaker 3: are celestial beings that visit this realm and sometimes they
Speaker 3: have children with a partner from the terrestrial realm. And
Speaker 3: another element that I've thrown into This is the idea
Speaker 3: that each of us, as a being of pure consciousness
Speaker 3: is not from this planet. We're from some higher realm
Speaker 3: from which we've devolved or come down. And you know,
Speaker 3: basically you can divide the types of humanoids and other
Speaker 3: living creatures in the universe into those who want to dominate,
Speaker 3: control and exploit everything and everyone, and those who want
Speaker 3: to learn to harmonize and come to a higher level
Speaker 3: of consciousness, you know, solve our material needs and the
Speaker 3: most efficient natural way possible while putting most of our
Speaker 3: human energy into developing that resource of consciousness. So there
Speaker 3: are forces, you to say, of light and darkness and
Speaker 3: the cosmos that look at our world here as a
Speaker 3: place to try to influence towards one way or the other.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I think we are a center on a
Speaker 3: planet that's a center of attention from different types of
Speaker 3: beings and whole parts of the cosmos.
Speaker 1: Let me, uh sidestep that for a minute and ask
Speaker 1: you point blank this whole uap UFO phenomenon, Michael, why
Speaker 1: aren't we getting more contact in terms of people coming
Speaker 1: out of these ships and going, hey, we're from planet X,
Speaker 1: you're our brethren and welcome to the.
Speaker 2: Planet system.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just curious because you do talk on
Speaker 1: that subject often.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, one thing to consider is in terms of
Speaker 3: the Yugos, we're if you look at at the accounts
Speaker 3: of most civilizations, when we're talking about the Greeks, the Romans,
Speaker 3: the Egyptians, the Chinese, the Mayans, all over the world.
Speaker 3: You know, if you go back a couple of thousand years,
Speaker 3: you'll see they were very much in contact with beings
Speaker 3: from other dimensions. It was almost like a daily occurrence.
Speaker 3: There was some kind of you know, they would either
Speaker 3: by performing rituals or sacrifices. They were establishing connections with
Speaker 3: extraterrestrial beings who would sometimes visit with them, speak with them,
Speaker 3: everything as you were describing it. Really, but with the
Speaker 3: beginning of color Yuga people entered into a lower state
Speaker 3: of consciousness, i could say, and they stopped coming. Now,
Speaker 3: those people on this planet who were more pious, you
Speaker 3: could say, more on the side of light, their activities
Speaker 3: would attract higher beings of you might say, the good type,
Speaker 3: to interact with them, whereas people who were on the
Speaker 3: other side, they would attract to them beings of a
Speaker 3: darker sort a more impious sort. So it's these days
Speaker 3: there are still reports from contactees and abductees that describe
Speaker 3: their contacts either in terms of this beings of light
Speaker 3: or beings of darkness sort of mood. So I think
Speaker 3: we're not so much in direct contact with these extraterrestrial
Speaker 3: beings in the current age because most people and most
Speaker 3: governments are not at least openly communicating with them, and
Speaker 3: they more or less stayed off the stage. I think, however,
Speaker 3: there's still enough coming from them that makes me think
Speaker 3: they want to remind people that they're still around.
Speaker 1: I mean, you shouldn't, shouldn't we Is it such a
Speaker 1: problem for us that we can't accept or have them
Speaker 1: here physically, because I mean, I believe that people are
Speaker 1: having mental communication with them, and there's a certain contact
Speaker 1: perhaps on another level, but the physical contact I think
Speaker 1: is important for our evolution to know that these are
Speaker 1: beings that are perhaps ancestors, are familiar with us, and
Speaker 1: I think it would help, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Versus they did kind of like that they'd probably be
Speaker 3: shot down with.
Speaker 1: The that's true too, you know, yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, I've thought about that, And like I said,
Speaker 3: when I look at the literatures of the Greeks of
Speaker 3: the and said the Egyptians they talked about these things
Speaker 3: that the god Apollo came and told me, and this
Speaker 3: one and that one. You know, it's like they were
Speaker 3: they were in contact. No. I think that's because they
Speaker 3: were doing the right kinds of things and they really
Speaker 3: wanted it. But I don't want to blame it completely
Speaker 3: on Christianity. But they had this idea of pagans and
Speaker 3: kind of wiped about, right.
Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying when you say gods, those
Speaker 1: are more like advanced beings that they we idolize and
Speaker 1: we respect them and call them gods.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're referring to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think there is a God, but these
Speaker 3: intermediate beings, you know, who we call extraterrestrials, kind of
Speaker 3: between humans and the supreme conscious of being, who's the
Speaker 3: source and controller of everything, between that ultimate manifestation of God.
Speaker 3: You could say there were intermediate beings. They were called
Speaker 3: demi gods, and we kind of just eliminated, you know,
Speaker 3: in our culture, that whole aspect of reality. I mean,
Speaker 3: it was even present in Christianity, early Christianity that they
Speaker 3: had angels in charge of the different natural forces and
Speaker 3: things like that. Those are kind of intermediate beings between
Speaker 3: humans and the ultimate God. But we've kind of wiped
Speaker 3: all that out and just say now we're going to
Speaker 3: explain everything without those personalities. We're just doing by our science.
Speaker 3: So we've kind of made ourselves into God's You could
Speaker 3: say that we don't think there's anyone better than us
Speaker 3: at the cosmos.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a challenge.
Speaker 1: Michael Cremo as a pleasure as always to have you
Speaker 1: on the program. Just fascinating to talk with you. You have
Speaker 1: a new book coming out this spring called Extreme Human Antiquity.
Speaker 1: This is the first book in a while. Talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about this book. What was the interest in
Speaker 1: writing that? Title is fascinating title.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, what happens with me is I put a
Speaker 3: book out and there's some response from readers. So one
Speaker 3: response I've gotten to Forbidden Archaeology is Okay, what's happened
Speaker 3: since you wrote that book? Have there been any additional discoveries?
Speaker 3: So basically what I've done is I've taken the evidence
Speaker 3: that's come to my attention since the original book was published,
Speaker 3: or any new information that's come to me about some
Speaker 3: of the cases that I discussed in Forbidden Archaeology and
Speaker 3: put them together in this book. And to spend a
Speaker 3: lot of time putting a book together. I wish I
Speaker 3: were a more prolific author, you know, putting out four
Speaker 3: or five books a year, But it takes me usually
Speaker 3: a number of years to be satisfied with the research
Speaker 3: that I've done and put it out there for people.
Speaker 3: So basically, that's what that book's about, all the further
Speaker 3: investigations into forbidden archaeology that I've done, and especially I'm
Speaker 3: interested in evidence for extreme human antiquity. Alternative archaeology is
Speaker 3: a big field and different researchers deal with different ends
Speaker 3: on the time spectrum. I deal with deep time, you know.
Speaker 3: Some of them are focused on the world or recent
Speaker 3: aspects of things having to do with the origin of civilization.
Speaker 3: But I'm continuing to do my part.
Speaker 1: Fantastic that's going to be out in the spring, right, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll have to have you back in the fall
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Give us your web address again,
Speaker 1: because I know you have a lot of speaking engagements.
Speaker 1: You're going to be at Conscious Life in February, I believe, right, right,
Speaker 1: do you know what day?
Speaker 2: What day are you speaking?
Speaker 3: I've got a couple of things there. I give my
Speaker 3: talk on Sunday the ninth, and I've also on a
Speaker 3: panel on ancient civilizations and I'll have a book signing
Speaker 3: event also. Okay, that's all on the schedule on my website.
Speaker 2: And what's the website? Give us your website real quick.
Speaker 3: M cream O at c F cream O w w
Speaker 3: w F cream O f c r e MO dot
Speaker 3: com dot com. Okay, and I have a page also.
Speaker 1: Okay, You're gonna be in San Francisco at the New
Speaker 1: Living Expo in UH May ninth through the eleventh, and
Speaker 1: they can go to New Livingexpo dot com. Michael, by
Speaker 1: the way, if you can get to the talk. Michael
Speaker 1: will be part of a panel on ancient civilizations and
Speaker 1: the evidence for advanced Technology. That's gonna be Sunday, and
Speaker 1: I'll be moderating it with Mike, Michael Cremo, Ben Vankirkwick
Speaker 1: and Mike Ricksecker and these are all people we've had
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna be doing any uh.
Speaker 1: Scientific conferences at all this year?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm going to be at the World Archaeological Congress,
Speaker 3: which is being held in Darwin, Australia in June. I'm
Speaker 3: presenting a paper there. The academic scientific audience is one
Speaker 3: of my audiences that I reach out to. And I
Speaker 3: may also be giving a presentation at the Science of
Speaker 3: Consciousness conference, which this summer in July will be held
Speaker 3: at Barcelona, Spain.
Speaker 1: Wow, so your schedule is as busy as ever. Fantastic, Michael,
Speaker 1: we could talk forever. Thank you very much for joining me,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again in the fall. Of course,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you at the at the New Living
Speaker 1: in may so Hey. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm really looking forward to that. Thank yous.
Speaker 1: We mentioned briefly some of the presentations and conferences that
Speaker 1: Michael's speaking at. If you get a chance to see him,
Speaker 1: either live or via streaming media, pay for it, do it.
Speaker 1: Because his slides are mind blowing. He gets slides, he
Speaker 1: researches them, goes through the He's even gone to the
Speaker 1: Library of Congress in Washington to pull slides from Turn
Speaker 1: of the Century eighteen hundred's earlier catalogs. Because back then
Speaker 1: there was less hiding and less destruction of artifacts that
Speaker 1: are questionable that question our dates in question. Our understanding
Speaker 1: of our history. And this is the big problem I'm
Speaker 1: writing about this right now. We have problems in our
Speaker 1: academic circles. They do not want to even consider dates
Speaker 1: that go beyond the parameters of of their university dictums,
Speaker 1: the history books, the comfort zone, and what Michael presents
Speaker 1: is great evidence and at some point Western archaeology has
Speaker 1: to collectively reach out beyond their own purviews and look
Speaker 1: at the Chinese, look at the Middle Eastern research, and
Speaker 1: actually even South American research. We've had South American researchers
Speaker 1: on this program who have a completely different narrative of
Speaker 1: how human beings evolved. And you know, it's it's really
Speaker 1: one of the foundations of why I started Earth Ancients
Speaker 1: is that I have questioned history as a teenager. It's
Speaker 1: there's just too many problems with how we have this
Speaker 1: linear history. One civilization leads another leads another. I was
Speaker 1: thinking about this when Michael was talking. If you remember
Speaker 1: about four it's see back last year, I think it
Speaker 1: was May. We had doctor Stephen Collins on the program
Speaker 1: who had unearthed what he believes was Jordan, biblical Jordan
Speaker 1: in the Middle East, and one of the things that
Speaker 1: was fascinating is that he chronicles the destruction of Jordan
Speaker 1: through a horrific asteroid burst that was so powerful. I
Speaker 1: think it was a thousand times stronger than Hiroshima. Just
Speaker 1: complete devastation, so hot. I think it was a thousand
Speaker 1: degrees with fourteen hundred degrees fahrenheit, so hot it melted walls,
Speaker 1: it melted a lot of stuff. And I'm thinking if
Speaker 1: that and I think that was five or six thousand
Speaker 1: years ago. I think if we look at the prior bursts,
Speaker 1: the prior terminating events of nine thousand, five hundred years ago,
Speaker 1: to begin looking at the Egyptians and the Maya and
Speaker 1: other ancient cultures to see if there was one of
Speaker 1: these terminating events. And this is my hypothesis in my
Speaker 1: book Mayan Controversy, is that if it is and can
Speaker 1: be reported that there was one of these asteroid bursts
Speaker 1: that destroyed the civilization, what we see is the reuse
Speaker 1: of temples, pyramids, and buildings following the repopulation of these
Speaker 1: ancient sites. And this is my big problem with the Maya.
Speaker 1: We are given these pre Middle and post cycles or
Speaker 1: chronicled times, and it's an easy way to kind of
Speaker 1: get a sense of who the Maya are. But there's
Speaker 1: a huge problem in the fact that archaeologists have found
Speaker 1: sixty thousand unknown ruins in the Guatemala biosphere. This is
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and we had and by the way,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Richard Hanson, who's the head of the
Speaker 1: research and excavation at Elmodor, which is at the tip
Speaker 1: of the Peton biosphere in Guatemala, and was part of
Speaker 1: this survey, and what he's saying is is going to
Speaker 1: take two hundred years.
Speaker 2: To really figure out and excavate and survey that.
Speaker 1: But my point is what he's excavating is the most
Speaker 1: is the largest pyramidal community civilization known to us today,
Speaker 1: and this is the pyramids of Elmodor, the Ladonta Pyramids.
Speaker 1: They're monsters, and their earliest phase of the Maya are
Speaker 1: the most sophisticated. They are the biggest builders of pyramids.
Speaker 1: They were the greatest engineers, the hydraulics, the waterways are
Speaker 1: fabulous in their brilliant engineering feats, and so it's a
Speaker 1: mistake to think that there were settlements that continued from
Speaker 1: the beginning to the end. And the other thing is
Speaker 1: the dates for the Maya are roughly one thousand BCE
Speaker 1: and this is totally wrong and I'm really beginning to
Speaker 1: see it.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because.
Speaker 1: When we have Ed Barnhart on the program, and I
Speaker 1: love Ed, he's a mayaist, he admits, we don't know enough.
Speaker 2: We don't know hardly anything.
Speaker 1: We're very much in the in the blind when it
Speaker 1: comes to the Maya. One percent of their culture.
Speaker 2: Has been excavated, and we're going, Okay, we know it all.
Speaker 1: And that's just the arrogance of that academic study of archaeology.
Speaker 1: It's it's filled with a lot of problems, and this
Speaker 1: is why I'm writing about it.
Speaker 2: So I think the point is when we.
Speaker 1: Have Michael on is it's important to try to get
Speaker 1: a sense of where he's pointing his finger, where he's
Speaker 1: extracting data, and how we need to begin looking at
Speaker 1: these ancient, ancient systems like the Yugas and how they
Speaker 1: capture these very early periods of our existence when we're
Speaker 1: physical beings Homo sapien sapien.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, didn't he say something like
Speaker 1: one hundred million year old skeleton Jesus Christ? That would
Speaker 1: blow I mean, I would love to see it. And
Speaker 1: that's one thing. If you don't have his book, you're
Speaker 1: not gonna you won't know this. But his book again
Speaker 1: chronicles excavations in the eighteen hundreds when they weren't.
Speaker 2: Covering them up.
Speaker 1: Today, if they found one hundred million year old human
Speaker 1: skeleton modern skeleton Homo sapien sapien, they would lose their minds.
Speaker 1: They would lose their minds. So anyhow, I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed that. It's fun to have him on the program.
Speaker 1: By the way, I want to mention we will be
Speaker 1: sponsors of the Cosmic Summit in North Carolina June twenty second.
Speaker 2: I believe it is.
Speaker 1: And there's a number of really really good people that
Speaker 1: will be featured on the program, including Pravin Mohan, Randall Carlson,
Speaker 1: Steve Collins. Doctor Collins will be back on, but there's
Speaker 1: some new faces. And I want to highlight that most
Speaker 1: of the listeners of the podcast will not be able
Speaker 1: to attend, but they have a dynamic and very very
Speaker 1: good streaming service, so it's like you're there, and I'll
Speaker 1: be announcing that too. We give a discount for the
Speaker 1: first two weeks. It's really important and that'll be in
Speaker 1: about let's see, about sixty days or less. I'll be
Speaker 1: announcing how to get the streaming media service at the
Speaker 1: discount rate, and that means you can watch it live
Speaker 1: from the minute the door is open to the minute
Speaker 1: the door's shut, and you have a repository, you have
Speaker 1: the files from the presentations that you can't go and see.
Speaker 1: So if you're in Europe, if you're in Mexico, South America, Australia,
Speaker 1: wherever you are in the world, your time zone does
Speaker 1: not need to necessarily affect you because all these presentations
Speaker 1: will be recorded and stored for your viewing and listening pleasure.
Speaker 1: So Cosmic sum twenty twenty five will be coming up.
Speaker 1: We're going to have George Howard on the program, the producer,
Speaker 1: to talk about this year's program and the great lineup
Speaker 1: that he has, and to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the theme of the program, So stay tuned for that. Hey.
Speaker 1: I also want to mention that we are, and I
Speaker 1: mentioned this in the beginning of the show, we're going
Speaker 1: to be going in the Turkey June twenty second to
Speaker 1: July second. This is filling up fast, and I want
Speaker 1: to remind you that we're not just going to a
Speaker 1: few sites. We're going to go Beckley Teppe, Carahan Teppee
Speaker 1: and there's an extended museum at both of those locations
Speaker 1: that we need to see. We didn't get to see
Speaker 1: go Beckley Teppy for more than half an hour because
Speaker 1: we had to get back on the bus and go.
Speaker 1: But there are numerous places to visit, including Darren Kuru, Cappadocia,
Speaker 1: and a lot of very very ancient sites to check out.
Speaker 1: So if you're thinking about a vacation, this is the
Speaker 1: time to go. Our prices are literally one half of
Speaker 1: what a typical eleven twelve day tour is and if
Speaker 1: you book early enough, your flight flights can be fairly reasonable.
Speaker 1: So for the entire itinerary, go to earthacients dot com,
Speaker 1: forward slash tour check it out. Mohammed Imbrahim is our
Speaker 1: host along with the team at Saba Tours, and there
Speaker 1: are a number of extracurricular activities that will add to
Speaker 1: the tour, including there's an amazing spice market that we
Speaker 1: go to. You can see spice out and sample them
Speaker 1: before you buy dried fruit. All kinds of places to
Speaker 1: visit and have fun. So we don't just do the
Speaker 1: heavy lifting and go to the sites in the middle
Speaker 1: of nowhere.
Speaker 2: We stay in town, and.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, if you haven't been to Istanbul,
Speaker 1: what a fantastic city. I was so shocked last year
Speaker 1: when we were visiting. It's a beautiful, very modern city,
Speaker 1: and it's multi religion, so there's a Christian, there is Muslim,
Speaker 1: there is Jewish. There's all kinds of interfaith groups there,
Speaker 1: which really makes it a cause Politan city. And I
Speaker 1: was very, very surprised to sample some of their white wine,
Speaker 1: which was fabulous. I wish I could have brought more home.
Speaker 1: I brought a couple of bobs for family, but it
Speaker 1: was like, wow, Yeah, it's really, really, really.
Speaker 2: A wonderful place to visit. So come out and join us.
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Speaker 2: I really do. All right, that's it for this program.
Speaker 3: I want to think.
Speaker 1: My guest today Michael Cremo, coming from the fabulous Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 1: As always, the team of Gail tor Mark Foster and
Speaker 1: everyone who makes this thing happen. You guys rock all right,
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