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<v Speaker 1>It is a twenty nine on a Tuesday which means

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<v Speaker 1>for certain we get to gate the the Daniel Davis

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<v Speaker 1>Deep Dive with the retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis, who,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we'll be talking about Russian and Ukraine. Daniel Davis,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the fifty five Krsey Morning Show, my friend,

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<v Speaker 1>is always a pleasure for having you on.

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<v Speaker 3>I look forward to this day every week.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you do because I do as well. And okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start with this because we're gonna get in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what's going on with Ukraine and Rush and Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know the Secretary of State Mark Rubio and

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<v Speaker 1>other US officials are planning on having a meeting in Jetta,

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia to try to get a resolution to this conflict,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope they do. Ukraine launched its biggest drone

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<v Speaker 1>attack against Moscow and other areas as well. But what

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<v Speaker 1>is this something strategic associated with because it seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be an exercise of futility. Is it just to be

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<v Speaker 1>pesky and try to annoy the Russians because apparently the

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<v Speaker 1>Russians were successful and shooting down almost all the drones.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that's exactly what it is. It is trying to

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<v Speaker 4>be pesky, is trying to be annoying. It's saying, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we have this capability, you might as well use it.

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<v Speaker 4>Everybody see is that the end game is in progress

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<v Speaker 4>right now, and these these talks in Saudi Arabia are

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<v Speaker 4>probably going to start to look at the nature of

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<v Speaker 4>how the war is gonna come to an end. And

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<v Speaker 4>there the Ukraine side is not gonna like it, just

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<v Speaker 4>because they don't have any of the leverage. They don't

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<v Speaker 4>have any of the power cards to play. They literally

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<v Speaker 4>don't have any. So they think, now, how about this,

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<v Speaker 4>we we make a for public relations kind of operation

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<v Speaker 4>to launch these things and get this big splashy thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And I've already seen all these headlines massive drone attack

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<v Speaker 4>into Moscow, across Russia in the course carry et cetera,

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<v Speaker 4>all this stuff, so it looks good splashy. Then when

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<v Speaker 4>you look at some of the pictures, the vast majority

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<v Speaker 4>got shot down, a few got through, one hit them all,

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<v Speaker 4>another one hit an apartment building, won some some cars

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<v Speaker 4>in a parking lot that that got fired because of

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<v Speaker 4>the gas, made some great video images, had nothing, no

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<v Speaker 4>military significance whatsoever. All it's gonna do is just frankly

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<v Speaker 4>make the Russians even matter. And all this is in

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<v Speaker 4>the context of the Course region, a lightning advance that

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<v Speaker 4>Russia hasn't done since they the Ukraine side went in

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<v Speaker 4>there last August. And now in just a matter of days,

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<v Speaker 4>they're just taking massive swaths every day. This thing could

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<v Speaker 4>be already over in the Course area in two or

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<v Speaker 4>three more days from now.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess, and so far, I mean symbolic, we're

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<v Speaker 1>striking Moscow. You know, it's like flying a B to

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<v Speaker 1>B two or whatever bomber over and dropping some bombs

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<v Speaker 1>on Tokyo for the purpose of boosting American morale in

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<v Speaker 1>World War Two. You point out the obvious, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any military advantage. They're not getting ready to invade Moscow.

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<v Speaker 1>But it seems to me from a strategic standpoint, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm no general, you know, don't play one on radio,

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<v Speaker 1>but the massive amount of drones that they used to

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<v Speaker 1>engage in these attacks, wouldn't it have been better served

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<v Speaker 1>hitting the front line Russian troops that are advancing into

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<v Speaker 1>the into into the Curse region or whatever region.

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<v Speaker 3>That's exactly what I was saying.

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<v Speaker 4>It just shows that they aren't even attempting to do

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<v Speaker 4>something that makes any military sense, because you're doing these

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<v Speaker 4>things into Russia. The targets weren't even military, so even

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<v Speaker 4>the ones that got through, we're just trying to hit

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<v Speaker 4>civilian targets something that they could to get the pr splash.

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<v Speaker 4>So yes, and when you're looking at the video images

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<v Speaker 4>actually coming out of the Kursk area here, apparently even

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<v Speaker 4>the Ukrainian air defenses the area are almost non existent

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<v Speaker 4>because Russians are flying K fifty two helicopters fighter jets

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<v Speaker 4>strafing targets, which means there is no air defense whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 4>not even tactical. So if you were going to fire

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<v Speaker 4>something somewhere, it would seem to make more sense, as

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<v Speaker 4>you said, and maybe you should start playing a radio general.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, but that's what I would have done,

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<v Speaker 4>just to take those where you could have had some

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<v Speaker 4>tactical advantage for your side.

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<v Speaker 3>And instead they did this well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't remember the region, but I had read

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<v Speaker 1>just the other day that the Ukrainian forces were getting

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<v Speaker 1>surrounded and leaving them with little option to retreat, which

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like an inevitable thing that we're going to have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. Was that the area of Russia that they

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<v Speaker 1>had taken over that we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, Yeah, that's exactly what was happening in the

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<v Speaker 4>kurse Carea.

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<v Speaker 3>They had an option.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just almost pleading into the ether on my

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<v Speaker 4>shows in recent days, just saying that that's what they

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<v Speaker 4>should do. The Ukraine side, there was no prospect for

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<v Speaker 4>holding them. They needed to withdraw and get back while

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<v Speaker 4>they could, because Russia was having a pincer movement to

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<v Speaker 4>cut off the one supplier, the one exit route actually

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<v Speaker 4>supply and exit.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't. They continued to stay there.

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<v Speaker 4>Now many of them are pouring out now, even without orders,

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<v Speaker 4>but in a continuing process that Ukraine has shown almost

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<v Speaker 4>from the very beginning back into Mariopal in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 4>in the spring of twenty twenty two. Every time they

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<v Speaker 4>get into one of these situations a cauldron, they never

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<v Speaker 4>do the military smart thing of withdrawal their forces to

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<v Speaker 4>a more advantageous position. They keep them there, fighting to

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<v Speaker 4>the last man, the last house, forcing Russia to come

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<v Speaker 4>and clean them up. And Russia has the manpower to

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<v Speaker 4>do it. So they lose so many men every time

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<v Speaker 4>that they don't need to. And this is just the

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a shame because it's been widely reported and

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't read really anything to the contrary. The Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 1>are running out of people to fight this war. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you've got people sitting in an occupied region of

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<v Speaker 1>Russia which has no strategic advantage other than say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we've taken over a chunk of Russia and we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep it, maybe as a bargaining chip in the negotiation,

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<v Speaker 1>which we all know isn't going to be worth a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot. But to leave them there, get them surrounded,

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<v Speaker 1>and get them slaughtered when they could have been brought back,

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out, to areas where they were needed.

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<v Speaker 1>Since they're running out of men, that seems the only

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<v Speaker 1>logical and reasonable thing to do.

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<v Speaker 4>It is the only logical and rational and militarily smart

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<v Speaker 4>thing to do. That's what they should have done. The

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<v Speaker 4>whole curse thing was an operation of utility from the beginning.

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<v Speaker 4>It never had any chance to accomplish anything of operational

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<v Speaker 4>value for the Ukraine side. It had the pr value of, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>we're finally sticking it to Russia, taking it to their territory.

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<v Speaker 4>That briefs well made people feel good. At Ukraine for

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<v Speaker 4>a while, but it had no actual importance to the war.

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<v Speaker 3>Effort at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And in fact, then over the months Ukraine kept said

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<v Speaker 4>in tens of thousands of people and to reinforce it

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<v Speaker 4>and all the logistics and everything for something that didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have any outcome of the war. And it was never

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<v Speaker 4>I'll just point this out, never any chance that Russia

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<v Speaker 4>would have traded that away as opposed to taking it

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<v Speaker 4>by force, because that would have made them look weak

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<v Speaker 4>and they weren't. So they were killing a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 4>of Ukraine people here that were not available on the

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<v Speaker 4>Eastern Front where the real fight was going on, the

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<v Speaker 4>one that actually matters. So I'm just sorry but this

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<v Speaker 4>may hurt some people's feelings. But the general ship on

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<v Speaker 4>the Ukraine side has been hideous and it's gotten so

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<v Speaker 4>many of their men killed. That's why they have lost

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<v Speaker 4>the war, and there is no prospect for them to

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<v Speaker 4>get a good deal.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jetta, well, perfect segue where I was going the

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<v Speaker 1>deal in Jedda. What do you anticipate? I mean, Russia's

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<v Speaker 1>got the upper hand now, and it's a stronger hand

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<v Speaker 1>than they had say six months ago. Are they going

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<v Speaker 1>to hold out for even more. You always start with

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<v Speaker 1>your best foot forward. You ask more than you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to get, because that way you can negotiate backward and

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<v Speaker 1>not feel like you're really losing anything. Make an outrageous demand.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you expect Russia to make an outrageous demand to

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<v Speaker 1>resolve this or to bring about peace and negotiate something back?

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<v Speaker 1>And if so, what do you think they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>end up with? If you had to read the tea

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<v Speaker 1>leaves Daniel Davis.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I would look at it from the other side

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<v Speaker 4>at first, In terms of outrageous demands, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>the Ukraine side will ask, and they already have ask

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<v Speaker 4>for a partial ceasefire. They say they want to ceasefire

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<v Speaker 4>in the sky and in the sea, so no more drones,

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<v Speaker 4>no more fighting in the Black Sea, etc. While they

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<v Speaker 4>work something out that is I mean almost you think

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<v Speaker 4>that it may be a joke that they would ever

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<v Speaker 4>actually ask for that when it would be only a

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<v Speaker 4>benefit to them. Russia would have no advantage whatsoever. And

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<v Speaker 4>as I just pointed out, they were flying K fifty

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<v Speaker 4>two's and fighter jets strafing into the area because there's

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<v Speaker 4>no air defense on the Ukraine side at the tactical level.

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<v Speaker 4>Why would Russia ever agree to something that can only

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<v Speaker 4>benefit the other side. What I think is happening here,

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<v Speaker 4>despite what some of the headlines are, I think that

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<v Speaker 4>the Secretary of Rubio, Mike Walls and Witkoff, I think

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<v Speaker 4>you were representing the United States. I think that they're

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<v Speaker 4>telling the Ukraine side, boys, the game is over. You

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<v Speaker 4>can either capitulate according to the best terms we can get,

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<v Speaker 4>or you're on your own. If they don't agree to

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<v Speaker 4>what the United States is willing to do, which is

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<v Speaker 4>to just bring the war to an end at the

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<v Speaker 4>best terms they can get, which will be ugly, then

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<v Speaker 4>I think that we're gonna say then we're gonna walk.

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<v Speaker 4>Trump has indicated that already. He's implied it a couple

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<v Speaker 4>of times. And if Ukraine still tries to hold out

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<v Speaker 4>for this great deal that they'll never get, then Russia

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<v Speaker 4>will simply keep fighting this issue.

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<v Speaker 3>In the north.

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<v Speaker 4>With the course, Russia is not just going to re

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<v Speaker 4>establish the border. They're gonna keep going because there aren't

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<v Speaker 4>very many defenses on the Ukraine side.

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<v Speaker 3>This could open up a new front. We'll see how

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<v Speaker 3>it goes well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I read the Trump administration the other Day started

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<v Speaker 1>denying Ukraine military until diligence, And is that if that's true,

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<v Speaker 1>is that to egg Ukraine on and just to realizing, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not your Night nine invaluable intelligence or is there

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<v Speaker 1>something behind that, like maybe as a lever to get

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<v Speaker 1>this minerals deal signed.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it could be all the above.

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<v Speaker 4>But we had General Kellogg point blank say that this

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<v Speaker 4>is like and I'm not making this up, he said

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<v Speaker 4>this is like hitting a mule with a tube before

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<v Speaker 4>to get their attention, all the pausing of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>which is to tell them.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Fellas, we see the ground as it is.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not the previous administration, we're not Europe, We're definitely not.

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<v Speaker 3>The Ukraine side.

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<v Speaker 4>We see it as it is, and you can't win,

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<v Speaker 4>you can't even hold out. You either make an agreement

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<v Speaker 4>to bring this war to an end or we're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to continue supporting it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think that he's Trump has.

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<v Speaker 4>Not given in on that so far despite lots of pressure,

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<v Speaker 4>because I think he means it well.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what you just said there addresses the

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<v Speaker 1>folks who are yelling at Trump about selling Ukraine out

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<v Speaker 1>and being with this this puppet of Vladimir Putin's rather

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<v Speaker 1>than that he's just a realist. I mean, is that

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<v Speaker 1>really not what this boils down to?

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<v Speaker 4>And Brian, let me just point out something because this

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<v Speaker 4>just makes me crazy because I keep hearing that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is selling us out. He's given up. You had

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<v Speaker 3>three full years to have everything.

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<v Speaker 4>The US could give, everything, Europe could give, everything, Ukraine

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<v Speaker 4>could do, and they lost for thirty straight months.

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<v Speaker 3>Ukraine has been losing and going backwards.

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<v Speaker 4>And you want to say now that Trump should come

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<v Speaker 4>in and repeat that and do more of what has failed.

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<v Speaker 3>It's irrational.

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<v Speaker 4>They're going to lose now because of what we did

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<v Speaker 4>in the previous thirty months before Trump came in.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a fact telling it like it is. Daniel Davis, Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly appreciate your analysis, and that's why I look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to the segment every week. Deep Dive Daniel Davis.

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