Speaker 1: Jump back home.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'll just I'll just hang around until you
Speaker 2: get back to me.
Speaker 1: All right, awesome, Well we are now officially live. It's
Speaker 1: actually ten oh three pm Eastern Standard time actually right now.
Speaker 1: First of all, let me welcoming you onto the show,
Speaker 1: mister Andy Graff. You know, this is actually the first
Speaker 1: time we've done this year on live Google Google hangouts
Speaker 1: here on YouTube. Last time we actually had we were
Speaker 1: on this. We were on the radio, squatching the radio.
Speaker 2: That's why there was a number to remember. I called
Speaker 2: it for my Skype can.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the.
Speaker 2: Best way to do it. It's amazing. I'll put twenty
Speaker 2: pounds on after our conversation, I had eighteen left. You know,
Speaker 2: Skype is awesome like that. Yeah, there's a while back.
Speaker 2: I remember, oh, for a year, at least a year.
Speaker 1: And a half. Yeah, you know the radio show. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you the radio show. A lot of us have
Speaker 1: fun doing that because you know, we could get like
Speaker 1: several people in there into a group discussion and it
Speaker 1: normally works out real Well. You know, I've learned that,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people missed doing the YouTube thing.
Speaker 1: And you know, in the in the YouTube shows like
Speaker 1: this yere. Actually you'll be surprised the viewers. I guess.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, you know, just from a few
Speaker 1: shares I share, we end up getting usually a pretty
Speaker 1: good turnout. And we've haven't you know, it's been a
Speaker 1: I want to say, it's been a few weeks since
Speaker 1: our last you know, uh oh, maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and uh we you know, we pretty much had
Speaker 1: an open discussion podcasts and it covered a lot of topics,
Speaker 1: a lot of subjects, and you know, well usually a
Speaker 1: lot of times what we do we share opinions, uh
Speaker 1: or you know, or anything from our observation, you know,
Speaker 1: on our beliefs, and you know, and then and they
Speaker 1: kind of we take it and kind of go with it,
Speaker 1: and you know, it kind of it's basically a lot
Speaker 1: of sharing, you know, because something's you know, when it
Speaker 1: comes to the research, somebo some of my my techniques
Speaker 1: or something I might try might work for me or
Speaker 1: you know, and it may not work for somebody else,
Speaker 1: you know. So there's all these different things we share
Speaker 1: amongst each other.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if that changes from area to area
Speaker 2: as well, you know, with the hampituations, if the creatures,
Speaker 2: it might be intelligent and quite individualistic as what works
Speaker 2: one doesn't work with another, cozees or anything.
Speaker 1: That's another thing. Yeah, you know, we do a lot
Speaker 1: of comparison because you know, comparison because of the ecology,
Speaker 1: the you know, the setting, you know, just the environment
Speaker 1: and a whole you know, time of year, you know, weather,
Speaker 1: all down to every little thing. You know, there's always
Speaker 1: something when we compare all these different things based off
Speaker 1: activity or findings, you know, you know, when you know
Speaker 1: the activity usually stood stairs like it's very active around
Speaker 1: you know, a certain time year in my area. And
Speaker 1: I noticed there's been similarities with others that there's been
Speaker 1: you know, very you know different you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you want to call it. Yeah, there's there's
Speaker 1: different in some areas, but in a lot of areas,
Speaker 1: a lot of what we share, a lot of us
Speaker 1: share a lot of simil somewhere you know, habit, you know, findings.
Speaker 2: That's that's interesting to me as well, Daniel, because we
Speaker 2: were all chatting in the British Big groups recently about
Speaker 2: the quiet months over the winter, right, somebody mentioned was
Speaker 2: it's actually the larger forests seem to get more activity
Speaker 2: in the winter and the smaller habituation areas that people
Speaker 2: think of habituation areas go quiet. And what to me
Speaker 2: mentioned was, Okay, we see them less at that time,
Speaker 2: possibly because they've moved up into certain areas for the winter,
Speaker 2: and also because we're out less in the winter, right,
Speaker 2: But all of the smaller areas tend to go quiet,
Speaker 2: which led a lot of people to think that there
Speaker 2: was some hibernation or that they were just disappearing somehow.
Speaker 2: And since then people say, no, actually the bigger forests
Speaker 2: are getting more activity at that time or keeping activity
Speaker 2: in fact, whether smaller areas are going quiet. So we're
Speaker 2: thinking that maybe perhaps they move to the larger areas
Speaker 2: where they could be more food or where they could
Speaker 2: exist together with more cooperation. You know, nobody knows the
Speaker 2: details of that kind of thing, but yeah, you're mentioning that,
Speaker 2: you know, the different times of year and at the
Speaker 2: different times of activity. I just wondered if there's a
Speaker 2: quiet time over there for you as well, and a
Speaker 2: time where it gets busy for activity.
Speaker 1: Well as far as what you were talking about large areas,
Speaker 1: that's h Actually to me that would make sense that
Speaker 1: that would have more activity. Well, I think in this year.
Speaker 1: First of all, the key word to me would be large.
Speaker 1: If you got in my opinion, I believe if you
Speaker 1: have a large, vast area that gives more room for
Speaker 1: them to spread out, it's maybe easier them to stay
Speaker 1: or remain elusive and more protected as well. Like a
Speaker 1: smaller area, if you have too much more of a
Speaker 1: crowd in there, then you know, then well then there
Speaker 1: would be more of a challenge or more of a
Speaker 1: struggle for you know, survival based off of sources and everything.
Speaker 1: Being in a large, more abundant area. I guess there's
Speaker 1: a lot of ways we can look at that in
Speaker 1: a positive way where that would be more yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: more productive speaking.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you were saying, as far as yeah,
Speaker 1: my time here, you know, I know, even though you're
Speaker 1: in a different location, we all experience and we all
Speaker 1: experience the seasons. Well, correct me if I'm wrong. What's
Speaker 1: the on the four seasons? You guys experience all the weather,
Speaker 1: all the different weather over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have all four seasons, but because we're in Ireland,
Speaker 2: most of the seasons spring, spring, winter contain rain or
Speaker 2: bad weather, so our whether it's not terrible for them
Speaker 2: as well. We do get some bad snow occasionally up
Speaker 2: on our places, but it's not like you guys would experience.
Speaker 2: But you know, being British, of course nothing works once
Speaker 2: we get any kind of snow at all or weather. Still,
Speaker 2: we do get some weather like that, but generally speaking
Speaker 2: in the spring some autumn winter is as it should be,
Speaker 2: with patches of mixed weather all the way through. So
Speaker 2: the summer has a lot of rainy days or months,
Speaker 2: or if you have two days of sun, you definitely
Speaker 2: get like two days of rain afterwards, because we're surrounded
Speaker 2: by waters which just picks up the water and dumps
Speaker 2: it on the island. And depending on which part of
Speaker 2: the island you're in. I grow up in Wales, it's
Speaker 2: far very mountains and hilly or the valleys there range
Speaker 2: every day in most places, whereas in England where I
Speaker 2: am now near London, it's quite dry most of the time.
Speaker 2: So we you know, we'll find we have those four seasons.
Speaker 2: What we're thinking about here with our big Foot or
Speaker 2: whatever they are, is in Britain. Actually, I did a
Speaker 2: study recently that showed that actually there's a very low urban,
Speaker 2: sorry very low rural population in England and most of
Speaker 2: the land space is actually not taking up at all.
Speaker 2: Most of the urban population is in the very very
Speaker 2: small percentage of land and it was something really really
Speaker 2: tiny Ashuely. There was a study about it in twenty
Speaker 2: twelve by the UK National Ecosystem and they were surprised
Speaker 2: to discover only six point eight percent of the UK's
Speaker 2: land area could be classified as urban, and that included
Speaker 2: rural development and roads. And you know when they broke
Speaker 2: the figures down amongst the four primary nations you know, England, Wales, Scotland,
Speaker 2: Northern Ireland, you know, that picture was even more spar so.
Speaker 2: What they discovered was the urban landscape only accounts for
Speaker 2: ten point six percent of England, which is the most
Speaker 2: populous nation. I think that's fifty four million people, one
Speaker 2: point nine percent of Scotland, which is nothing three points
Speaker 2: and they've got four million people in Scotland, three point
Speaker 2: six percent of Northern Ireland. Now that's only one point
Speaker 2: five million people, and four point one percent of Whales,
Speaker 2: which is three and a half million people. So they
Speaker 2: figured out that ninety three percent of the UK is
Speaker 2: not urban, fifty four percent of the land in the
Speaker 2: towns and cities. There's also green space like parks and
Speaker 2: a lot onents in football fields and things like that.
Speaker 2: And then the gardens they discovered use of a further
Speaker 2: eighteen percent of urban land, and the waterways and reservoirs
Speaker 2: six point six percent. So what they discovered was in
Speaker 2: England alone, seventy point six percent of the urban areas
Speaker 2: are natural as well, which leads just two point two
Speaker 2: seven percent of england landscape is actually built upon, so
Speaker 2: ninety percent natural and that to me, and what you'll
Speaker 2: find in the cities and towns as you're going around,
Speaker 2: there's lots of green corridors you call them motorways, with
Speaker 2: lots of fields and hills coming in and out, and
Speaker 2: lots of forested areas coming right up to the cities
Speaker 2: and through them. These lovely rivers and railway lines and
Speaker 2: things are heavily forested. And our theory is when they
Speaker 2: do come close to habitations, they use these green corridors
Speaker 2: to get in out and move around, you know. And
Speaker 2: there are stories of them quite close to cities actually,
Speaker 2: and towns sometimes in them.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's strange.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We're's covering lots of odd things about the country. We
Speaker 2: never even knew ourselves. You know, we all, I live
Speaker 2: in London, we all think of Britain's being overpopulated, because
Speaker 2: if you live in London, that's the feeling you'd have.
Speaker 1: Well see, that's you know, even though you know the
Speaker 1: the United States, you know, we have a lot of forests,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know where there's we have a
Speaker 1: lot of elusive animals, even you know, right here in
Speaker 1: Virginia where you know, on the east coast, you know
Speaker 1: there'll be there's several even the Department of Game and
Speaker 1: Indo Fishery, we have a loosive animals here, such as
Speaker 1: the mountain lion, cougar, you know, and there's been several
Speaker 1: eyewitnesses to the you know, to the you know, the
Speaker 1: mountain lion, you know, the cougar. I've seen one two
Speaker 1: years ago for the first time and it was in
Speaker 1: my main researcher. It was a black one, you know,
Speaker 1: black you know, panther, and uh, I couldn't believe what
Speaker 1: I was seeing. You know, I wasn't alone. I wasn't
Speaker 1: the only one that was there that saw them. But
Speaker 1: now I'm just one of hundreds of eyewitnesses just in
Speaker 1: the state of Virginia alone, not to mention there's other
Speaker 1: surrounding states that they believe that they they're not there either.
Speaker 1: But but now let's you know, the UK. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: People are underestimating the possibilities, you know, even even without
Speaker 1: the eyewitnesses. You know, they're not even you know that.
Speaker 1: I guess that's where the closed mind kind of comes in.
Speaker 2: You know, it's sort of what you perceive to see
Speaker 2: this country as. And even most of the criticism I
Speaker 2: get up at these statistics that I released in a
Speaker 2: little blog called What's with the Habitude? And it was
Speaker 2: I got so many, so many trolling sort of messages
Speaker 2: of hate. Now you don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Britain is over populated, this is all farmland and it
Speaker 2: was so. And then I proved the statistics more to say, well,
Speaker 2: actually siddenly persidered, what they call farmland is actually rough
Speaker 2: grazing in forest. Yeah it's it's not it's not used.
Speaker 2: And people are so opposed to the idea because I
Speaker 2: think it breaks a conception that they have so in
Speaker 2: this country, especially in others as well, you have this
Speaker 2: concept of you know, we can believe in the yetti
Speaker 2: and the Himalays, because that's far away. You don't have
Speaker 2: to imagine it in our own backyard, right, or the
Speaker 2: Pendic or you know, the Machilean bimbi in the Congo
Speaker 2: in a big forest. Because it's far away and deep,
Speaker 2: nobody knows much about it, so we can imagine something
Speaker 2: in this situation. We're not familiar with brill you know,
Speaker 2: the Queen's Country, London and Manchester and all these built
Speaker 2: up cities, or the way we perceive them to be
Speaker 2: built up. We say, well, you know, this is impossible,
Speaker 2: and most most of the Americans are actually quite open
Speaker 2: to it, but most of the British people say, this
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. I'm British and I should know. I've been
Speaker 2: walking out in the woods. I've been hiking up the hills, right.
Speaker 2: I didn't see one. And of course you probably get
Speaker 2: this too. I did not see one, So how can
Speaker 2: it exist?
Speaker 1: Right? Right?
Speaker 2: Because I've been out there, why haven't I seen one?
Speaker 2: The same with lock in this monster. You go up
Speaker 2: to the loch. It's seven hundred and whatever feet deep,
Speaker 2: allegedly twenty five miles long. It's so dark the water
Speaker 2: from the peak fields around the hills. You can't see anything.
Speaker 2: Even if you're in a sub in the water, you
Speaker 2: still come see anything. And so completely surrounded by forest
Speaker 2: and hills. And I went there and stood out on
Speaker 2: the dock at night, ten o'clock at night in April
Speaker 2: twenty twelve and thought, I cannot see a single thing.
Speaker 2: It's black. But there is incredibly uninhabited, surrounded by forest
Speaker 2: and hills. So if something is here, how would you know?
Speaker 2: What if it's nocturnal? What if exactly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a good point.
Speaker 2: What if in the forest or the caves in the daytime,
Speaker 2: what if their underground caves there are always out to
Speaker 2: the sea either side, and we just think, well, they've investigated,
Speaker 2: they've looked. It can't be there because they didn't find it.
Speaker 2: And I think the big mistake with wild animals, and
Speaker 2: especially rare animals, that we make is wild animals want
Speaker 2: to be around us. I think they want to be
Speaker 2: seen by us. They don't want to be anywhere near us.
Speaker 2: And I'd think that definitely counts for the Bigfoot if
Speaker 2: it's since it seems to be intelligent, there's no reason
Speaker 2: why it would willingly in most cases try to put
Speaker 2: itself in your line of sight.
Speaker 1: Right right, It's kind of like a me and you.
Speaker 1: It's like we know where the bad part of the
Speaker 1: neighborhood is, you know, or the bad part of town,
Speaker 1: and why go there when it can be dangerous? You know.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's same concept with Bigfoot or
Speaker 1: any crypti that has any intelligence, their instinct or whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. Why expose themselves when it could be dangerous?
Speaker 1: And most of yeah, most wildlife they're very keen in
Speaker 1: sense to know what danger is. So you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're going to keep your distance, and you know it
Speaker 1: would make sense for them to do that, I mean,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. And then also, you know you're you're
Speaker 1: talking about you know that you're you're getting all this
Speaker 1: hate mail, the ridicule. You know, I can only imagine
Speaker 1: what you're going through. Considering a lot of us here
Speaker 1: in the United States we get the same thing from
Speaker 1: non believers, some skeptics, and we're in a much larger, vast,
Speaker 1: more ear we have more area for all this the rome,
Speaker 1: you know, and I mean.
Speaker 2: Both spaces concerned. You could say there's untouched forests out
Speaker 2: there that some Americans have ever walked through. There must
Speaker 2: be in your land. You know areas where because there
Speaker 2: was no reason for you to take that path. You know,
Speaker 2: there's no reason for you. And it's the same in
Speaker 2: the UK where you go along the railways or you
Speaker 2: drive along the motorway. You just vast fields and forests
Speaker 2: and hills stretching them forever. And that's just a bit
Speaker 2: you can see from the part you're on. There's you know,
Speaker 2: every couple of miles there's a house or something. You
Speaker 2: never see anybody standing around or walking around, and you think,
Speaker 2: so this stretches out for miles and miles and miles.
Speaker 2: Nobody said you could probably walk in a straight line
Speaker 2: all day and all night without seeing anybody, and yet
Speaker 2: we still think there's nothing there. You've only got to
Speaker 2: put Google Earth onto the country and zoom out. You'll
Speaker 2: see the green. You know, it's I think the perception
Speaker 2: is that it has to be in big, large forests
Speaker 2: and places like that, but I think really the only
Speaker 2: major requirement is isolation for the most part of being
Speaker 2: able to find some cover, and that can take many forms.
Speaker 2: As far as food sources go, We've got so much. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's twenty million sheep in the country roaming the hills.
Speaker 1: Oh Wow. Yeah, what about vegetation, you know, because that's
Speaker 1: the question I get last. You know, others can ask that,
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, both humans and animals. So
Speaker 1: you know, is there edible plants you know, all in
Speaker 1: the wild that you know you could eat or animals
Speaker 1: could eat, humans could eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, there's lots of plants and berries and roots
Speaker 2: and all kinds of things that are available all year
Speaker 2: around actually, and also there's fruit, you know, frue orchards
Speaker 2: and things. We also have a large, large croppable areas
Speaker 2: in certain parts of the country which could be quite
Speaker 2: easily exploited. But it's the you know, it's it's that
Speaker 2: background for the omnivore, if you like, with their bear
Speaker 2: like in their feeding habits, all footing everything. There's so
Speaker 2: many lakes and locks and streams and coastal areas where
Speaker 2: there's summuch shellfish and actual fish and you know, crayfish
Speaker 2: the rest of it. And then you've got the deer,
Speaker 2: the sheep, millions of wildfowl and birds walking around the place.
Speaker 2: And we've got wild born out again as well. I
Speaker 2: then we've got about only four or five thousand of those,
Speaker 2: but they're expanding quickly. And of course we've had the
Speaker 2: big cats now for the last thirty forty years since
Speaker 2: they were all let go in the seventies and we
Speaker 2: bought our new license in law and the Dangerous Wild
Speaker 2: Animals Act, and you know, we don't see those too often.
Speaker 2: We do see them enough to know they're there, like
Speaker 2: you saw with your cougar, but they managed to stay
Speaker 2: out of sight. And there's no way there would be
Speaker 2: as intelligent asn't a. But then primarily nocturnal, they stay
Speaker 2: in areas where their food sources. I actually had a
Speaker 2: report from a lady a horse breedo near near here,
Speaker 2: in a place called Rasper, and we're just on the
Speaker 2: edge of the rural area here where I live. And
Speaker 2: she went to get a hay consignment for her horse.
Speaker 2: So there's a there's a farm yard somewhere. You just
Speaker 2: roll in, you've got a contract, you pick up the hay,
Speaker 2: and you leave. So this was in the winter. She
Speaker 2: drove in help. A slight was dark at her land
Speaker 2: rover and the light swung full beam, and a friend
Speaker 2: in the car with her twenty five feet away. She
Speaker 2: suddenly sees she's five eight five mine a waist high
Speaker 2: panther or whether it's a cougar or a leopard. We
Speaker 2: don't have probably a leopard being here but black and
Speaker 2: that's the most common time we have here black panther
Speaker 2: waist high, three foot long for long three foot tail.
Speaker 2: She saw it close enough that was walking towards them slowly,
Speaker 2: by twenty five feet away. She's sort of close enough
Speaker 2: to see that it was male and male Genitalian, that
Speaker 2: it lifted face. Wow, it wasn't afraid of her, just
Speaker 2: sauntered up to her slowly and she got you know,
Speaker 2: she got in the in the contra away and it
Speaker 2: wasn't really after I think it just wasn't afraid, right,
Speaker 2: And that you know, for the creature like that to
Speaker 2: be walking around and now hundreds and hundreds of reports,
Speaker 2: it has to have been born here right growing.
Speaker 1: Up to me, that would make sense. You know. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of animals that you know,
Speaker 1: for those who study the animals here in the United States,
Speaker 1: and I'm just saying you don't have to be a
Speaker 1: wildlife biologist to pick up on this. For this public
Speaker 1: information that what was native to some land that would
Speaker 1: believed to be extinct through a period of time. People
Speaker 1: believe that either they were reintroduced, which there are some
Speaker 1: animals that were reintroduced to the area that were once
Speaker 1: native now something like the mountain lining the you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a you know, there's some public information if
Speaker 1: you do if they if you do enough digging, there
Speaker 1: is information out there where you will come across where
Speaker 1: some of these species were reintroduced. Some are believed to
Speaker 1: be uh that may have migrated moved back into the
Speaker 1: area from other areas, you know, because you know, there's
Speaker 1: been sightings in West Virginia. Uh, there's you know. And
Speaker 1: then just like the wolves, we have red wolves which
Speaker 1: believe that we're over a period of time and migrated
Speaker 1: from up north down and you know into the lands here,
Speaker 1: which into bred with the coyotes. You got the koy wolves,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know, so forth, and real
Speaker 1: quick before I go on, before we go on any further,
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Speaker 1: wanted to give you a ee second if you want
Speaker 1: to jump in to say hello to Andy.
Speaker 3: Well, Hello, mister Andy. It's nice to meet you, sir.
Speaker 2: Hi Zach, how are you nice to meet you too.
Speaker 3: I'm just I like, I just sit here on message Daniel.
Speaker 3: I'm just sitting here. I'm the mercers listening to you
Speaker 3: talk with as much as you know everything. I'm just
Speaker 3: I'm just fascinated by how much you know.
Speaker 2: Oh, thanks very much. You know I've had well, Daniel
Speaker 2: gave me my first interview but a year and a
Speaker 2: half ago when I was just wanting to write about
Speaker 2: this phenomenon in Britain. But at the time I didn't
Speaker 2: think anybody would be interested, and I was trying to
Speaker 2: put together a TV show and write a book at
Speaker 2: the same time, and which is out now. The piece
Speaker 2: of Britain. It's on Amazon, and Daniel said, hey, why
Speaker 2: didn't you come on the show? Sometimes I was like,
Speaker 2: oh really, wow, okay, that's amazing and he wants to
Speaker 2: talk to me, And that was actually Daniel the impetus
Speaker 2: for me saying okay, So then I'll contact a bunch
Speaker 2: of other people and say hey, can I come on
Speaker 2: your show?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And I think I've done about fifty now since then.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a bunch coming up and it's expanded actually,
Speaker 2: so I'm starting to do some talks now you're in
Speaker 2: the UK. I've got the Brittish Crickets talk on the
Speaker 2: twenty seventh of May. There's another one called the Spirit
Speaker 2: of the Marsh, which is kind of like the May
Speaker 2: Day festival I'm doing. And the talk is called Tales
Speaker 2: of the Woodwarves, which is the Woodwarves is the name
Speaker 2: for the Bigfoot here in Britain, like historically centuries ago,
Speaker 2: the Woodwarves that was the wild man of the forest.
Speaker 2: He's depicted in all the old churches and tapestries, is
Speaker 2: this very tall hairy man. And I believe.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying I do believe
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. Yeah, is it the
Speaker 1: one that has like it looks like maybe they have
Speaker 1: like like leafs around the face.
Speaker 2: That's the green man, the.
Speaker 1: Green man, that's I always get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it went similar. I think it's the same thing personally,
Speaker 2: But they're wrapped up in mythology of like these forest spirits.
Speaker 2: But whenever you see the depiction, and these are centuries
Speaker 2: old depictions carves and churches and woven into the tapestries,
Speaker 2: and the royal families in Europe used to use them
Speaker 2: as part of their uh as part of their insignias
Speaker 2: on their flanks and their heraldry. They call it that
Speaker 2: they are, you know, a man's face. But you have
Speaker 2: to remember that this is a description that somebody's given
Speaker 2: for somebody to carve or draw, and yet of giant size,
Speaker 2: you know, at least head and shoulders above are the
Speaker 2: men that they're facing these types of combat and and
Speaker 2: different sort of interactions with people throughout our history. Now
Speaker 2: you have to wonder if Bigfoot is a Monday pop
Speaker 2: culture phenomenon that just starts to affect Britain. Now, where
Speaker 2: do these guys come from? Where does that depiction that
Speaker 2: completely matches. This come from, of course the NASAs. They
Speaker 2: don't want admit that. That's just dor mythology and coincidence, right,
Speaker 2: just like dragon depictions occasionally looking like terrosols and things
Speaker 2: like that. Must be a mistake, right, maybe they sold fossils.
Speaker 2: I love all that stuff. Yeah, but there it is,
Speaker 2: So started the book, did that. Still trying to put
Speaker 2: this TV series together that were going to record a
Speaker 2: pilot in Lake Windermere, which is the home of a
Speaker 2: NeSSI like creature called Bonssi. It's been seeing a bunch
Speaker 2: of times and in twenty fourteen the last photo of it.
Speaker 2: It was an amazing photo captured by a lady called
Speaker 2: Ellie Williams, and she worked for a magazine called Autographer,
Speaker 2: and she set up a new camera like a kind
Speaker 2: of the game cam, and to go once a minute
Speaker 2: throughout the day. It was to record the changing seasons
Speaker 2: of the day. The magazine's all about photography. And she
Speaker 2: got it back after the day and she looked at
Speaker 2: images and in the distance she can see something swan
Speaker 2: like and as he's meant, there's a big hump but
Speaker 2: a big arch crane neck, you know, and foggy like
Speaker 2: swimming about in the morning. There's nobody in the foreground
Speaker 2: or the background. Nobody can figure out how she faked it,
Speaker 2: if she faked it. And there's never been anything since
Speaker 2: to say, yes, you know, it was a ruse, it
Speaker 2: was a promotion, nothing. It just still stands out of course,
Speaker 2: it's unacceptable to people. Any evidence is always unacceptable, isn't it,
Speaker 2: because what have you got to sell? I did a
Speaker 2: little blog on Todd recently, on his discovering Bigfoot. I
Speaker 2: had a friend of mine, she's a CGI expert. Well,
Speaker 2: she's a professional. She's worked in Hollywood on things like
Speaker 2: Noah and The Hobbit, and and she did an assessment
Speaker 2: of Todd's footage. And what I asked her was, look,
Speaker 2: you don't care about bigfoot or only there's a genre
Speaker 2: at all. You know, he gets a lot of hassle
Speaker 2: about his footage, and it's really passionate, it's really emotional.
Speaker 2: Either you believe him and you hate everybody who doesn't,
Speaker 2: or you don't believe him you hate everybody who does right.
Speaker 2: And that's where it kind of falls for most people
Speaker 2: anyway in the community. So can you just review it
Speaker 2: and tell me if you could fake this with your experience,
Speaker 2: and she reviewed it and she said, yeah, I could
Speaker 2: do that. You know, you could do this with simple
Speaker 2: layering and costumes, she said, But what I have to
Speaker 2: point out is the work is a very high quality.
Speaker 2: And my point on that was the rest of his
Speaker 2: documentary isn't of high quality at all. Right, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter the high quality of his Sasquatch. The production of
Speaker 2: the documentary doesn't. No, it's a bit. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: not bad, it's just there seems to me to be
Speaker 2: like a difference in quality. And there was two series.
Speaker 2: One was when he created those Sasquatch ten years ago,
Speaker 2: already filmed them. If he created them, the people working
Speaker 2: for him then aren't with him now because of course
Speaker 2: the devil Squatch or the devil face you see at
Speaker 2: the end, that's of a much lower quality than everything
Speaker 2: else because it's just a black face, you know, between
Speaker 2: some logs, So could be anybody, anybody anyway.
Speaker 1: There's so many different faces. Yeah, yeah, so many. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt. There's so many different faces, like you said,
Speaker 1: descript decrypted of you know what you know, what people
Speaker 1: see more what Hollywood believes or things he could be
Speaker 1: if he would for those who you know, don't believe that,
Speaker 1: think he were If he was, really he could look
Speaker 1: like that. Of course, there's so many horror flicks out there,
Speaker 1: you know, people have all these images out there, you know. So,
Speaker 1: but then you know, if you if you solely go
Speaker 1: based off of eyewitness description, you know, then you might
Speaker 1: have a different picture, you know, which you know, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're well familiar with the Roger Patterson and Bob
Speaker 1: Gamble footage having a California in nineteen sixty seven. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess a lot of people think, well,
Speaker 1: that's what Bigfoot must look like, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, we're me and you. We're different, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, we're in different areas of different regions. And
Speaker 1: it's here on the you know, the United States. You
Speaker 1: got East coast, West Coast. You know, people on the
Speaker 1: West Coast, you know who grew up there, and you know,
Speaker 1: you got different types of people out there. You got
Speaker 1: the beach bump people, you know, that's like that in Florida,
Speaker 1: you got the people from the hills and the mountains.
Speaker 1: They look like me, you know, I mean, so, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you've got all these different faces you know, so.
Speaker 2: That to me makes sense, right, to me makes sense.
Speaker 2: And plus he says that he's filmed all three of
Speaker 2: the main faces that you see in different areas, you know,
Speaker 2: on in these different areas. They're saying, we're both human beings.
Speaker 2: We're both you could say we're both Caucasians, but we
Speaker 2: are really different, right. Chimpanzees all look different to each other,
Speaker 2: and so the gorillas, well, chimpanzee is muscle. But that's
Speaker 2: that's just a you know, a sign that well, his
Speaker 2: film could be real. I always used to think it
Speaker 2: was real. It's really only his presentation that may be doubted.
Speaker 2: But then I think if you've been accused of being
Speaker 2: alive for so long, you're going to have that kind
Speaker 2: of air of protesting your innocence, which makes it hard
Speaker 2: for people to trust you, doesn't it, Because you're always
Speaker 2: standing on your dignity trying to profess you that you're
Speaker 2: innocent before you're even accused, because that's what's been happening
Speaker 2: every single time. So that and then that can if
Speaker 2: you come in at the back of that, you know,
Speaker 2: when some of these already spent ten years been accused
Speaker 2: and now he's telling you something is real. You're going
Speaker 2: to think something's off of the guy because it is.
Speaker 2: He's been a keyse to something for ten years. So
Speaker 2: I'm still really on defensivebut it I did not that
Speaker 2: it's my any expert on that at all, but I
Speaker 2: thought her opinion was important because she's not involved in it.
Speaker 2: And significantly she said, yes, it could be faked. It
Speaker 2: could be. It could be done. That's what she said,
Speaker 2: it could be done. Not that his footage was fake,
Speaker 2: but if it is fake, and she didn't say it was,
Speaker 2: it's a high quality production.
Speaker 1: Wow. And that's pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good endorsement.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with. And we have a question
Speaker 1: in the live chat for you. Oh yeah. The question is,
Speaker 1: and Andrew, do you think the UK hides facts on UFO,
Speaker 1: Bigfoot or etc. Like the USA does? And what's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on why a lot of governments hide facts.
Speaker 2: I think that the UK may in fact have hidden
Speaker 2: UFO sightings. I mean I think they did a Ministry
Speaker 2: of Defense release a year last year or the year before,
Speaker 2: but there were actual UFO reports in there.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: As far as I'm aware, I haven't. I don't have
Speaker 2: the details. And that Bigfoot I don't think so. And
Speaker 2: the reason I don't think so is that as opposed
Speaker 2: to the United States, this is a very rare animal
Speaker 2: here if it is here. On the British Bigfoot Map
Speaker 2: for the British Debra Hatswel and many people in the
Speaker 2: British Bigfoot Research team have put together there's about four
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four hundred seventy sightings spanning around about
Speaker 2: forty years, many modern ones, even very recent ones up
Speaker 2: until you know, last months and months before. But that's rare.
Speaker 2: We've got sixty five million people, that's about forty years.
Speaker 2: We've got four hundred and sixty sightings, most of which
Speaker 2: are either road crossings or you know, very unexpected forest. Right,
Speaker 2: it's one person and one person usually you know, one
Speaker 2: person and the sasquatch I mean or bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not pretty accurate pretty much how it happens here,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same thing the boat sighting is. It's a
Speaker 2: very it's so similar in fact or the occasional curious sighting.
Speaker 2: So there's one. I did an investigation recently in box
Speaker 2: Hill in Surrey, and this is a National Trust area,
Speaker 2: so it's a preserved area. It's lots of rolling hills
Speaker 2: and fields, and there's a big hill that's the elevation
Speaker 2: of about four hundred feet, and there's these things called
Speaker 2: the steps that people walk down and up, and they're
Speaker 2: incredibly steep. They go all the way down. They're earthen steps,
Speaker 2: you know, hemmed in with wood. And at the side
Speaker 2: of the steps it's very deep forest. And in twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: a jogger was jogging in the summer and evening. Then
Speaker 2: she rested on these steps and at nine thirty but
Speaker 2: still light at that time, and she heard she had
Speaker 2: heard some wood knocks before, but she didn't know what
Speaker 2: that was, what it meant. And then she heard some
Speaker 2: footsteps coming up behind her, and thinking it was a
Speaker 2: dog walker, she just moved aside and nobody passed, so
Speaker 2: she turned around and saw six foot plus muscly biped
Speaker 2: lape man sort of brown and grayfird domed head, a
Speaker 2: wide jaw, incredibly muscular, just watching her from about ten
Speaker 2: meters away, and stayed there for thirty forty seconds and
Speaker 2: turned around and walked away with this regular looking over
Speaker 2: the shoulder, yeah where she was, And as it moved away,
Speaker 2: she reported smelling a stale farm animal type of smell,
Speaker 2: which is like this bigfoot smell. So we've talked a
Speaker 2: lot here about is this a defensive strategy this smell
Speaker 2: because you don't always smellet but sometimes you do, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And we've got two incidents like that where the smell
Speaker 2: has been smelled, smelled right after it's been spotted. There
Speaker 2: was another one called the five Roads eight Man in Scotland.
Speaker 2: So what happened with this particular incident? And a guy
Speaker 2: was driving him to the five Roads roundabout and I
Speaker 2: think that's in our carlt airshow. I can't remember actually,
Speaker 2: but somewhere in the Highlands and it's it's dark and
Speaker 2: as he came up to the roundabout he said that
Speaker 2: a seven foot tall or around u tan walking on two.
Speaker 1: Legs the road in front of.
Speaker 2: Him there was there was ice shiner as it turned
Speaker 2: and looked at him as he crossed, and then walked
Speaker 2: off into some forest facing on the other side of
Speaker 2: the road. I don't know if you have roundabouts there,
Speaker 2: what do you call them? The little circular road feature
Speaker 2: that you have to go.
Speaker 3: Around you a roundabout?
Speaker 2: Yeah, around about? Yeah, if you come to a junction,
Speaker 2: there's normally a circular island here.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, what is that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Intersection or intersection? Do you have it?
Speaker 2: You have the round circle?
Speaker 1: Uh? Not the I know, I know exactly what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. There's actually a D Washington cul sack.
Speaker 2: You know, it's more like a feature in the middle
Speaker 2: of the road which different roads intersect one too, and
Speaker 2: then they go around around.
Speaker 1: There's an island with Wilver No, I know, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know what he's talking about. I've seen one. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't remember where I was at when I had actually
Speaker 1: headed up the Ohio actually had one Washington D.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not exactly the same thing. It's basically there's
Speaker 2: normally four by the exits from the round from one,
Speaker 2: there's a circular island in the middle with woodland or
Speaker 2: forest on it, and then you drive around and you
Speaker 2: find your exit. And in this case, this creature, it
Speaker 2: must have been late at night and it was you
Speaker 2: know who's by himself, the driver. This creature walked off
Speaker 2: the roundabout, passed in front of his car as he
Speaker 2: slowed down and walked into the forest to the left. Now,
Speaker 2: he wound down his window and he said he could
Speaker 2: hear it walk into the forest and what he smelled
Speaker 2: was a stale farm animal type of smell. So there's
Speaker 2: that smell again. It's interesting. So the question was about
Speaker 2: to the government's hide. I don't think they do a
Speaker 2: big fure because I don't think it's it's it's so rare.
Speaker 2: I don't think they really know.
Speaker 1: Much about it. Yeah, I guess like in Asia, for example,
Speaker 1: you know, the Asian governments actually you know, they speak
Speaker 1: about how they welcome people come in and they you know,
Speaker 1: they speak about how they believe Asia is a different,
Speaker 1: whole different thing all ourself. But you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of us questioning like, well, Asia
Speaker 1: is so open about a lot of stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, why can't the United States be like that?
Speaker 1: You know, as far as when we're talking about government wise,
Speaker 1: But a lot of people believe government's hiding something. I mean,
Speaker 1: they can be. But you know, we have the proof
Speaker 1: of that. Although they have cover ups. We all know
Speaker 1: that much. But yeah, they have the reasons. But the
Speaker 1: thing is Bigfoot is bigfoot. You know, if Bigfoot is
Speaker 1: a cover up, I mean it can be. For we
Speaker 1: can I can name several reasons why they're doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, we all I think we all can't really,
Speaker 1: But but then again, this, you know, it's more of
Speaker 1: a theory, you know, or theory.
Speaker 2: And that's a great thing about conspiracies from a government perspective.
Speaker 2: I was in government, I was trying to hide something.
Speaker 2: I'd released a couple of conspiracies along with it with
Speaker 2: a bit of truth because you keep people finding and
Speaker 2: on cuting about it, and then I don't really need
Speaker 2: to do anymore work, just that them find it out
Speaker 2: with all the ideas that spring from it. Right in
Speaker 2: regards to Big one of my main things. If they
Speaker 2: are covering up with your country, I think it's because
Speaker 2: it's it's a philosophical point of view, because something that
Speaker 2: walks on two legs and looks like an ape should
Speaker 2: be some kind of missing link, and I don't think
Speaker 2: it is. And I think that they know if they
Speaker 2: know about it, they know it's not, and therefore finding
Speaker 2: it improving it would prove it's no kind of missing
Speaker 2: link because I think it's an ape. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: The other thing is maybe people will go out on
Speaker 2: the mask and try to hunt them, and that's one
Speaker 2: of the things they're afraid of. But I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how much I believe in that theory myself.
Speaker 1: Right back to the round about what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: A good friend of mine on Facebook, I guess he commented,
Speaker 1: he's Facebook, but he said it's called a rotary circle.
Speaker 2: Rotary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he lives here in Virginia and he's actually
Speaker 1: now that he mentioned it, it's like here in the Richmond, Virginia,
Speaker 1: which Richmond is the capital of Virginia. You know, if
Speaker 1: it depends on what part of Richmond you go into,
Speaker 1: it's more around the colonial area we have. We have
Speaker 1: stuff like that. They're down around the monument.
Speaker 2: Everywhere you're always struggling to get on and get on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of them. I mean we have small ones
Speaker 1: like yeah, if you go with further north of northern Virginia,
Speaker 1: you know, going into where it merged into West Virginia Maryland. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have one that's more like that when the highways
Speaker 1: combined into it. Then you got ones more in the
Speaker 1: city where just it's weird. But yeah, they're not a
Speaker 1: strange things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I'm just as I gave the example,
Speaker 2: I realized that I made an assumption about the same
Speaker 2: road services being in place in the US. Clearly it's
Speaker 2: not that common. I was like, wait a minute, round event,
Speaker 2: this is a colloquialism. You need to explain that.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to share that since I saw that
Speaker 1: pop up, remember that myself.
Speaker 2: Can we have to a round the bed Next time
Speaker 2: I see it, I'll think it's a rotary.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, kind of like the old rotary phones you got.
Speaker 1: I wanted to turn this over to Zach for a
Speaker 1: little bit. Uh. You know, Zach's always got tons of questions.
Speaker 1: But real quick, there's a question I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: and I probably have asked you in the past, or
Speaker 1: if you haven't, you probably got Maybe you have spoken
Speaker 1: to him Adam Davies, Yes, okay, yeah, I didn't know
Speaker 1: if you were familiar with him with have you done
Speaker 1: anything with him or no chance?
Speaker 2: No, I know I do talk a little with Adam
Speaker 2: from time to time, but I would like to think
Speaker 2: we're friends, but we're friends through friends. So he's been
Speaker 2: amazing over the years, over the last few years of
Speaker 2: providing advice and you know, bits of research, especially when
Speaker 2: I was doing the book then to give me some
Speaker 2: sort of context for what I was doing. He's just
Speaker 2: such a nice guy. Now I know him mainly to
Speaker 2: Deborah Hatswell, yeah, Bigot Research group, and we've talked a
Speaker 2: few times. And I keep saying, if I get my series,
Speaker 2: will you be in it? And of course I will,
Speaker 2: but that's assuming I get it. Now I did score.
Speaker 2: I don't like to talk about things like this because
Speaker 2: you know what, even if you get a good contact
Speaker 2: to pitch your idea, it's not it's not a guarantee
Speaker 2: of anything. But there could be something big coming up,
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. And if it doesn't come up,
Speaker 2: I didn't say what it was, so there's no no fail.
Speaker 2: But as far as the talks are going, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm he helped with some advice on that. Other people
Speaker 2: helped as well. Introduce me to some people. I'm doing
Speaker 2: the International Cryptosology Conference with Lauren Coleman. Yes, yeah, like
Speaker 2: for me, he's the godfather of cryptosology, reigning godfather anyway,
Speaker 2: he's the existing one. And you know, one of the
Speaker 2: experiences that the fact that he said yeah, come, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, Okay, that's amazing. How I'm
Speaker 2: not going to speak in front of Lauren without stuttering
Speaker 2: and spluttering.
Speaker 1: He's human just like me and you.
Speaker 2: He is is you know, it's one of those things.
Speaker 2: If he if he questions one of my series that
Speaker 2: I know is right, I'll just have to agree with him.
Speaker 2: You know, it's Hierarches. You must be right, then I
Speaker 2: must have imagined that, because that's that's you and that's me.
Speaker 2: I don't think about things that way that often, but
Speaker 2: there's a few people they've just done that much work.
Speaker 2: I was talking to Carl Sugar as well as the
Speaker 2: writer Crypto as you writer doctor Carl Sugar people Critter's
Speaker 2: Ology books. He's another guy that's just a message him
Speaker 2: and it talks to you. So when I first started,
Speaker 2: I started talking to him about the book and the
Speaker 2: series that I wanted to do, and I just asked
Speaker 2: him out right, will you be an He said, I
Speaker 2: won't be in it because they said I don't like
Speaker 2: to do any TV because I'm not comfortable with it.
Speaker 2: But if you need any advice about writing and bits
Speaker 2: and pieces, and sure enough, over the last year off,
Speaker 2: it's just always been really really helpful. In fact, I've
Speaker 2: gotten an article that's just come out in Crypto Culture
Speaker 2: today which is the last chapter in the book Preparation
Speaker 2: for Preservation about how can we bring in laws to
Speaker 2: protect these unproven animals? In some places like Scimania County
Speaker 2: and other places champ for example, there are local laws
Speaker 2: that protect which is now a lot of people are
Speaker 2: suing governments, aren't they for recognition? Todds suing Canadian government?
Speaker 2: This other bigfoot tall lady was suing the American government recently,
Speaker 2: wasn't she about recognizing Bigfoot? And I think that kind
Speaker 2: of thing is a waste of time. I think protection
Speaker 2: for the animal is better gained on a local government level,
Speaker 2: because one they could be tourism involved in making an area,
Speaker 2: you know, a big foot protected area or a lake
Speaker 2: monster protected area. Whether it's say or not, it helps
Speaker 2: the local economy and ecology, you know, so it helps
Speaker 2: the environment and the local people get some tourism from it,
Speaker 2: which I think is good. And I just think trying
Speaker 2: to push big laws like that through government to the courts,
Speaker 2: it's a waste of time because they have to prove
Speaker 2: things with evidence, and the fact that we're all out here,
Speaker 2: me and you and the other guy is trying to
Speaker 2: find something proves that we don't have it yet we
Speaker 2: don't have enough evidence to prove it, like fully do
Speaker 2: we We've got footprints and hair samples, but we don't
Speaker 2: have anything that's going to make the scientist jump back
Speaker 2: and say, okay, you got it. Yeah, and we do
Speaker 2: need to find some sort of middle ground with those
Speaker 2: guys at some point because eventually we ever want to
Speaker 2: get recognition, we've got to play the game.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, what what you just said? It was actually
Speaker 1: very well said. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: local government, you know, you know, instead of trying to
Speaker 1: make it why why you know, tourism. You know, when
Speaker 1: you said that, it just kind of like a light
Speaker 1: turned on in my head, like, wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: know that that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Make it?
Speaker 1: Well? Right, But yeah, we we want to protect it,
Speaker 1: you know, But there's other ways I'll go about looking at.
Speaker 2: This too, you know, definitely, definitely if yeah, find a
Speaker 2: way around, because I do think those big cases just
Speaker 2: a bit sort of self publicity in a way, aren't
Speaker 2: they sometimes?
Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they can't win them.
Speaker 1: So that's pretty good. Now you're really your most recent book,
Speaker 1: you said that that is on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on Amazon. So there's there's two visions at
Speaker 2: the moment. There's the paperback version, okay, and there's so
Speaker 2: on Amazon dot com you can find it there. And
Speaker 2: there's the kindle version, the digital version. The digital vision
Speaker 2: is very very cheap. The paperback version seems to be
Speaker 2: quite expensive the moment. I'm trying to get the costs down.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to try to move the parameters over
Speaker 2: the next week and see if I can just drop
Speaker 2: it a bit more at the moment, because it seems
Speaker 2: to be expensive in for me, expensive because in the UK,
Speaker 2: in the UK parents it's may see, it's it's nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine, but I think in.
Speaker 1: What's the what's your book?
Speaker 2: It's called Beasts of Britain.
Speaker 1: Oh, Beat to the Britain, all right, it's Britain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's part of a series actually, So I'm
Speaker 2: writing two other other books at the moment as I'm
Speaker 2: paying this way like an idiot, and so yeah, So
Speaker 2: it's twenty nine dollars and eighteen cents on Amazon dot Com,
Speaker 2: which is a lot of money. So I'm going to
Speaker 2: try and get that cost down in the next week
Speaker 2: or so. But it's two dollars and seventy eight cents
Speaker 2: on the kindle on the digital version, So if you've
Speaker 2: got Prime, you know, you can read it for free.
Speaker 2: So that's and that's part of that. So I do
Speaker 2: would like people to buy it, but maybe wait a
Speaker 2: week because it should be cheaper after that point.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, all right, here it goes. I just
Speaker 1: got it. I just pulled it up. Yeah all right,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, because I see it listed right here for
Speaker 1: twenty dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So I want to I want to get
Speaker 2: that down a lot. I think it's to do with
Speaker 2: the parameters on color printing and the photos and all
Speaker 2: the kinds of things that were in there. So to
Speaker 2: just change a few parameters and maybe that will bring
Speaker 2: it down to a reasonable price, the price I'd be
Speaker 2: willing to pay myself.
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Speaker 2: Hm. Oh Hello.
Speaker 1: Hello, yeah, h you got still on there.
Speaker 3: I can't hear now of you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can hear you now, Sach. I can't here, Daniel, I.
Speaker 3: Can't hear Daniel.
Speaker 2: No, he's gone.
Speaker 3: Well he said he was going to turn it over
Speaker 3: to me. So if you're if you're still listening, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna take over for a little bit.
Speaker 1: Whenever you, uh, get back on here.
Speaker 2: Since it's live anyway, I'm happy let this do your pig.
Speaker 3: But but let me let me introduce myself first, mister Ay,
Speaker 3: my name is Zach Stark from a little town in
Speaker 3: Illinois here in the United States called crab Orchard. I'm
Speaker 3: a lifelong fan of anything and anything unknown.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I've been in a cryptus zoology now for thirteen years,
Speaker 3: studying all sorts of cryptids from not only here in
Speaker 3: Illinois and in the United States, but from around the world.
Speaker 3: And there's a lot of questions that I have, especially
Speaker 3: about cryptids over there in the UK, aside from what
Speaker 3: I read about you guys have what and this one
Speaker 3: of these books I call it about the like the
Speaker 3: Beast of Dartmoor.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, to the cats uh old chuck uh huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Those are the two that has really struck a nerve
Speaker 3: with me and everything. And I've always been very very interested.
Speaker 3: And then what can you tell us about those?
Speaker 2: Okay? And the Beast of Dartmoor is primarily talking about
Speaker 2: a big cat, a big black cat. So there's a
Speaker 2: lot of big cat sight into the u K hundreds actually,
Speaker 2: and over the last the years it ranged into the thousands.
Speaker 2: So we had something called the Dangerous Wild Animals Act
Speaker 2: that was brought in seventy six or seventy seven, I think,
Speaker 2: because a lot of people in the countryside were keeping
Speaker 2: these big cats and other exotic wild animals without proper precautions,
Speaker 2: and you know, there were incidents happening. So they've brought
Speaker 2: in this expensive licensing law and a lot of people
Speaker 2: just let them go. So I know, personally, I know
Speaker 2: four witnesses who've seen them over the years and right
Speaker 2: up to the modern day in Dartmore, which was one
Speaker 2: of the famous places it was seen, and also even
Speaker 2: in this area that I'm in, and all around right
Speaker 2: up to Scotland, there are sightings of what can only
Speaker 2: be described as black panthers or sort of tawny colored humors.
Speaker 2: Now I know there's no such things as black panther,
Speaker 2: but they tend to be more towards the melanistic leopard
Speaker 2: kind of identity. These black cats are the scene which
Speaker 2: are you know, regularly described and that in the same way.
Speaker 2: But all the witnesses usually people have no no interest
Speaker 2: in seeing them or you know, never expected to see
Speaker 2: anything like that before that. The black shook is that's
Speaker 2: more of a supernatural thing most people think, which is
Speaker 2: normally a giant black dog that's seen and manifests and
Speaker 2: that kind of an apparition kind of form. So just
Speaker 2: to give you an example of what which would be
Speaker 2: the Billingham black dog. Now that's an area in County
Speaker 2: Durham in the north of England. Billingham. Now two teenagers
Speaker 2: they claim to see the black shock on several occasions
Speaker 2: that they described as being like a huge shadow of
Speaker 2: a black dog with red glowing eyes and they've seen
Speaker 2: it several times. Its shadowing them in the forest line
Speaker 2: as they're water were walking around, you know, which is
Speaker 2: quite strange. There was also a black shock seen in Kimberly,
Speaker 2: Nottinghamshire in twenty twelve. That's quite a recent one. September
Speaker 2: twenty twelve and two witnesses saw what they described as
Speaker 2: a black shock when they were pushing their bikes to
Speaker 2: a field and poors had taken the view looking back
Speaker 2: the way they come, they saw a horse sized black
Speaker 2: dog along the hedge at the top of the hell
Speaker 2: before vanishing. Now it doesn't really describe it whether the
Speaker 2: vanishing is like a disappearing in front of them or
Speaker 2: whether it disappeared out of sight. So I don't really
Speaker 2: know what that one is. And then there's another one
Speaker 2: I've got here June twenty fifteen, so that's an even
Speaker 2: more recent one where witness saw a creature in all
Speaker 2: fours run in front of his car Independerford area of
Speaker 2: a place called Wolverhampton's near Birmingham, and he said the
Speaker 2: creature resembled the wolf, added Harry Potter, he's a tough
Speaker 2: wild but he can't deny what he saw in his
Speaker 2: own eyes. So it seems to be we do have
Speaker 2: some dog men or whale wolves.
Speaker 1: We see.
Speaker 2: I say wheale wolf, but I think dog man is
Speaker 2: like the rebranding of the wheel wolf, isn't it sure
Speaker 2: make it less emparenting, less supernatural. We have some weather
Speaker 2: sightings that are more bipedal wolf like here too, as
Speaker 2: well as the Bigfoot, and they similarly to the United States,
Speaker 2: they are the percentage compare the big Foot a lot like. Yes,
Speaker 2: I could give you one or two of those if
Speaker 2: you like.
Speaker 1: Actually good, Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's interesting. I personally
Speaker 1: a lot of people ask me about my take on
Speaker 1: the dog man, you know, and the thing is that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, when I do get asked
Speaker 1: my personal opinion about it, and you know, my response is, well,
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that wants to believe it,
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm going to remain on the you know,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it, but I'm not going to dismiss
Speaker 1: it and I'm not going to ride it to the
Speaker 1: mood for it. But you know, I guess you know,
Speaker 1: where do you could stand on that? If you don't
Speaker 1: want me asking for me?
Speaker 2: It's something I'm uncomfortable with. But psychologically I realized my
Speaker 2: discomfort with the dogman's theory of sightings is similar to
Speaker 2: a non belief. It's discomfort with the big focieties. So
Speaker 2: you know, one man's big voice and then the man's
Speaker 2: dog man.
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I realize what I'm saying. I'm asking people to believe
Speaker 2: there's a big foot in Britain, but if they tell
Speaker 2: me this's dog man really. There was a very popular
Speaker 2: sighting here popularly known Sighting in Hull in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: The whole is in the North of England for North
Speaker 2: of England, and I always joke that it's a kind
Speaker 2: of place that's where were our expression. I've been to
Speaker 2: hulland back.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: And you really will occasionally feel that way if you've
Speaker 2: been there. Allegedly, I've never been there, so what happened
Speaker 2: there in this whole sighting was I was very descriptive.
Speaker 2: So several sightings for different people over too through week period.
Speaker 2: So it's in East Yorkshire, this place actually in England.
Speaker 2: So the first sighting was made up by a local
Speaker 2: woman who described it as running on two legs and
Speaker 2: then on all fours, resembling a human and a wolf,
Speaker 2: so I'm getting what she means bipedal nater. A couple
Speaker 2: said they saw something tall and hairy eating a dog
Speaker 2: next to a drainage channel which runs through the countryside.
Speaker 2: They claimed that the creature jumped over an eight foot
Speaker 2: high fence with the dead dog in its mouth.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And another woman was walking her dog which she's
Speaker 2: spotted something half dog and half human and it says
Speaker 2: she I think she said her dog refused to go
Speaker 2: any further on the path they were walking down, which
Speaker 2: you can't really blame it. It's got some sense, I think, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're not. And there's a like a final one year.
Speaker 2: It was seen by a vet and she was driving
Speaker 2: through the east riding village of Househip, which is in
Speaker 2: the same area. She saw a creature in all fours
Speaker 2: which walked towards a car on two legs, and she
Speaker 2: described it as looking like a big dog, probably bigger
Speaker 2: than her car, covered in cream and gray colored with
Speaker 2: a human face.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there used to be like a mythical creature or
Speaker 2: an old sighting called the Beast of Barms and Drain
Speaker 2: or old sting. I think it's at the wheel like
Speaker 2: creature then. So we've got historically, we've got lots of
Speaker 2: wheel of tales in Europe and in England. But some
Speaker 2: bigfoot fans would argue that they are just bigfoot and
Speaker 2: people didn't know what they were, so they described yes,
Speaker 2: real wolf, right, but these creatures tend to have like
Speaker 2: a wolf like face.
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, that's interesting because see you know that was
Speaker 1: back to kind of like what you know we were
Speaker 1: talking earlier. The different looks or appearance is based off
Speaker 1: a region. Yeah, some of us believe that there's a
Speaker 1: possibility that there's different types of bigfoots. For example, well,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, and you know, and I think others
Speaker 1: may agree, but maybe in a different view, you know.
Speaker 1: And this is one thing a lot of people say.
Speaker 1: I've been asked if I'm comparing Bigfoot too. Am I
Speaker 1: trying to make big Foot to our known primates? No,
Speaker 1: I'm not, but there is there's a lot to compare
Speaker 1: and a lot of a lot of similarities. What if
Speaker 1: there is a Bigfoot that's more resembles the baboon?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that when you look at the Beast of Seven
Speaker 2: Shoots picture, that's what you think, right, Yeah, the Beast
Speaker 2: of seven Shoots. That the alleged photo of the only
Speaker 2: alleged photo of a dog man apparently, and it has
Speaker 2: this sort of long, baboony kind of face, right right.
Speaker 2: I thought that for a long time.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 2: Also admit that the reason I do think because there
Speaker 2: could be something in it. But the main reason I
Speaker 2: think it is because I'm uncomfortable with a wolf man,
Speaker 2: actual wolf man in the sense of, you know, the
Speaker 2: bipedal creature that has wolf like features. But you know,
Speaker 2: it could be I've heard lots of different descriptions like
Speaker 2: this guy. Okay, that's apparently more gorilla like, isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, gorilla ring things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that old picture that was taken in Florida,
Speaker 2: the remember that one with has a grayish kind of bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm familiar.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that looks I mean you're tennis but
Speaker 2: with a darker kind of pelt. Right, So I think
Speaker 2: it would make perfect sense that it'd have variation species.
Speaker 2: They spread all over the world, Like they're a compendic
Speaker 2: that's supposed to be four feet tall, and yet it
Speaker 2: still looks by people in the big Foot like way.
Speaker 1: Now, when you say you're uncomfortable, you know with you
Speaker 1: know the way you describe it and explain that, I
Speaker 1: have to kind of go along with you. I think
Speaker 1: I feel the same way where you know, just based
Speaker 1: off of what you got, you know, Yeah, because you
Speaker 1: know the way you describe it, you know, the way
Speaker 1: you explain it makes a lot of sense as far
Speaker 1: as you feel uncomfortable about your take on this based
Speaker 1: off of this here, it's like you want to believe,
Speaker 1: but yet there's you know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just think that for people in our position currently,
Speaker 2: the dog Man Stories puts us back in the position
Speaker 2: of the unbelief of the outside of cryptoology, guy who
Speaker 2: has to try to accept something that they never considered
Speaker 2: to exist before, right, and that's that's an interesting exercise.
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean we have to accept it straight away, but
Speaker 2: we still have to treat those witnesses with the same
Speaker 2: kind of respect and also, you know, due diligence. So
Speaker 2: I had a wheal of report given to me, and
Speaker 2: you know, it was wearing a check shirt and trousers,
Speaker 2: and it spoke to the lady and had a hat on,
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay, I was getting yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but I had to admit that, Okay, you know, she's
Speaker 2: saying all of this, it sounds crazy, but if these
Speaker 2: things are intelligent and couldn't mimic human behavior and put
Speaker 2: some clothes on. And then I thought there were too
Speaker 2: many There were actually lots of how can I put it,
Speaker 2: There were lots of tells in the whole story that
Speaker 2: there was an issue, a mental health issue happening. Not
Speaker 2: to denigrate the ladies, so she was very nice, but
Speaker 2: it clearly was, you know, there was a mental health
Speaker 2: issue going on. And I thought, okay, so that's a
Speaker 2: clear and obvious one. But the other one of a
Speaker 2: person who has a big foot like experience but was
Speaker 2: something with doglike features, but that's something different altogether, and
Speaker 2: I have to consider whether that is real or not
Speaker 2: based upon the witness description, and it all comes down
Speaker 2: to preference just there. But even if I'm uncomfortable with that,
Speaker 2: I don't try not to reject it if it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, were you you're talking about as she was telling
Speaker 1: their story? Has what you said had too many tales
Speaker 1: and it we kind of we referred to it as flags,
Speaker 1: like there's red flags. Want you like, yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: red flag in that one, you know, so more or
Speaker 1: less to take caution about what you're hearing. I do
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm I'm always Yeah, I've investigated a
Speaker 1: few eyewitness reports, you know, in the surrounding areas here,
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know, you want to get a
Speaker 1: feel for who these people are, and you want to
Speaker 1: kind of like sometimes you can always feel their story
Speaker 1: to be real, you know, it's just the way, especially
Speaker 1: when they take you to the location. That's what really
Speaker 1: intrigues me. They're willing to take you there, you know,
Speaker 1: and give you every detail they can because they want
Speaker 1: they want to tell somebody this is what I saw
Speaker 1: and this is where it happened. You know, some people
Speaker 1: they can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't shake him, right, man. You can't see
Speaker 2: what you've seen, can you. I think that's amazing. Actually,
Speaker 2: what I when I look for in these witness reports
Speaker 2: then it's just me in mundane boring details. Life is
Speaker 2: full of mundane, boring details. And when you see a
Speaker 2: witness description has and you know, we're war driven down
Speaker 2: the road and there was this weird post box on
Speaker 2: the side, and somebody had knocked over one of the signposts,
Speaker 2: and it was really a very light way, and I
Speaker 2: remember that. You know, these mundane, boring details they make
Speaker 2: the story real to me, whereas you know, the fantastical
Speaker 2: overelaboration and hype of presentation of everything. I get cautious
Speaker 2: and I think, okay, well we're selling me something clearly.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's not true, but it makes me
Speaker 2: feel a bit immore suspicious of the truth of the story.
Speaker 2: Whereas if somebody's describing what they've for breakfast that morning,
Speaker 2: just before they went out and saw the thing, it's
Speaker 2: part of a daily routine and it's got a reality
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Anyway, rightactly. So, uh, Jack, you're a little quieter, Do
Speaker 1: you want to jump in? I didn't know if I
Speaker 1: interrupted you or not before I came back on.
Speaker 3: And yeah, Andy, how far are you from Cornwall and Devon?
Speaker 2: Quite far actually, so it's probably I was there recently
Speaker 2: in Saint Ives in Cornwall in twenty seventeen, I think,
Speaker 2: and it was a planet six hour train journey, which
Speaker 2: in British terms is far.
Speaker 3: I was sitting here reading up on this one cryptid
Speaker 3: here on my tablet while I was asking you, guys,
Speaker 3: Paul the based of bodmin More.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, now that's a big cat as well.
Speaker 1: This is what we know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean these are the these are the famous
Speaker 2: big cats. So when they first started to be regularly,
Speaker 2: I didn't photographed in this country boardman more. I think
Speaker 2: there was a researcher that he was down there for
Speaker 2: years looking for this creature, and I think he may
Speaker 2: have only got one or two distant photographs of that's
Speaker 2: how cautious they are. Heat me more. I mean they're
Speaker 2: all over the place. I was given a story about
Speaker 2: the father and son who were fishing on a beach.
Speaker 2: I had just been in front of some sand dunes
Speaker 2: like sand hills in a beach in Plended, now in Wales,
Speaker 2: North Wales, and they saw a leopard hunting in the
Speaker 2: sand dunes, and it saw them and gave chase and
Speaker 2: they literally ran, they said anyway, they didn't look back,
Speaker 2: but they just saw it running after and they ran away.
Speaker 2: That's the only story like that really, But it's they
Speaker 2: are widespread countrywide. I don't know of a single part
Speaker 2: of the country that doesn't have big cat stories. Also
Speaker 2: film pictures, there's so much evidence. But the government is
Speaker 2: keeping that one quiet through a very very clever British
Speaker 2: method we call not talking about it. They're not hiding it,
Speaker 2: they're just not answering any questions. So I think that's
Speaker 2: quite a cultural thing. If we just don't reply to them,
Speaker 2: they'll go away.
Speaker 3: Well here's the thing though, and a lot of resources
Speaker 3: I've found big cats aren't native to the UK.
Speaker 2: They're not not at all.
Speaker 3: They're always they're either released exotic pats or escaped animals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean these we think the
Speaker 2: population we think I think and some other people think
Speaker 2: population is growing a lot. And there's I said, people
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven, seventy sixcessiveties something I never remember.
Speaker 2: The Dangerous World Animals that was introduced to cover the
Speaker 2: care and the keeping these types of animals and lots
Speaker 2: of and would just let go. I've talked to people
Speaker 2: who knew people that let them go, and I know
Speaker 2: four individuals who've actually seen them are close. One sighting
Speaker 2: of which was on the porch of a house. I
Speaker 2: was staying in a place called Kromerch in West Wales,
Speaker 2: near the Procelli Mountains, and I was dating a girl.
Speaker 2: Her parents lived there, swilly rural like five miles away.
Speaker 2: That's the next house, and some friends of her mother
Speaker 2: had come up from London and we were all in
Speaker 2: the house and one of the friends she was a
Speaker 2: heavy smoke of this lady, and she got out at
Speaker 2: five six am in the morning to have a cigarette
Speaker 2: on the porch on the patio outside with just this
Speaker 2: little porch patio area and then it's just countryside for
Speaker 2: miles and miles. And she lit her cigarette and in
Speaker 2: the light she saw a black panther staring at her
Speaker 2: ten fifteen feet away, just looking very large cat. She
Speaker 2: said she was shocked. She froze, watched her three few seconds,
Speaker 2: turned and walked away. And in that same house, the
Speaker 2: sister of the girl I was dating she'd seen one
Speaker 2: whilst riding over the mountain away and it was back
Speaker 2: in a friend's farm, the farm she had just left,
Speaker 2: chasing sheep around in the sheep pen, and both skeptical people,
Speaker 2: both had no intention or desire to see anything like that,
Speaker 2: and convinced to this very day that they saw what
Speaker 2: they saw.
Speaker 3: M there's one other crypt and then, Daniel, I'll turn
Speaker 3: it back over to you. This one has been a
Speaker 3: fascination of mine since I got into cryptozoology. Over there
Speaker 3: in the UK, y'all have a version of our American
Speaker 3: MAPA man in the owl Man.
Speaker 2: Interesting. That is an interesting one. So the owl Man.
Speaker 2: Basically this this whole story, and there's lots of sighting
Speaker 2: this whole story. It has a has a bit of
Speaker 2: a twist to it in that the person collecting the
Speaker 2: sightings at the time was was a very famous sort
Speaker 2: of nessy researcher and magician and all of these things.
Speaker 2: And he used to, you know, he used to go
Speaker 2: and collect these sightings all around the world or try
Speaker 2: to contract messy. His name was it Doc Gosh. I
Speaker 2: don't know his name. That me well, I'll come back
Speaker 2: to that in a moment. Anyway, but Jonathan Down who's
Speaker 2: the head of the CFC here and has been running
Speaker 2: the cryptos orgy groups here in the UK for thirty years.
Speaker 2: He wrote a great book about it called The Almond
Speaker 2: and Others. So the first sighting was by two children
Speaker 2: aged nine and twelve in the village of Morning near
Speaker 2: Morning Old Church, and what they describe was they saw
Speaker 2: a birdman hovering above the tower of Morning Old Church
Speaker 2: and they're said to have run away and directly reported
Speaker 2: beans into the police. Took them into separate rooms and
Speaker 2: got them to draw. The creature that drew was a
Speaker 2: something they said was a five foot tall bipedal owl,
Speaker 2: grayish brown feathers, very glowing eyes. You know, it's a
Speaker 2: very strange creature. Other people have seen it resting on
Speaker 2: a branch. A group of people saw it there and
Speaker 2: they thought somebody was in a suit messing around, and
Speaker 2: the creature lifted off and emitted the strange crackling electric
Speaker 2: static cutor sound. So that's been seen a lot of times.
Speaker 2: I think it could be very very similar to the
Speaker 2: moth man. I think the descriptions are very very similar,
Speaker 2: you know, sort of nondescript. I think there's headless description
Speaker 2: that's sometimes given of the mothlan could be a creature
Speaker 2: that has its head very low in a shoulders, you know,
Speaker 2: in the dark background, with especially the glowing eyes, it
Speaker 2: would stand out that way. This moth Alman has also
Speaker 2: been sighted in West Wales at some point and the
Speaker 2: other places in the country. And I had a theory
Speaker 2: with these kinds of creatures that are very rarely seen,
Speaker 2: and some of us, like terroristles, are occasionally seen for
Speaker 2: and in these creatures could be traveling through our country
Speaker 2: on the way to somewhere else, migratory root perhaps. And
Speaker 2: I only think that because not because they are so
Speaker 2: rarely seen, you know, in quite popular areas.
Speaker 1: M hm wow. Yeah, because you know, we've been in
Speaker 1: discussions regarding the mating here in the United States. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know there's we you know, of course,
Speaker 1: in some of our discussions, some of us we try
Speaker 1: to we always try to demond things, yeah, and we
Speaker 1: always try to compare, you know, and we've always wanted
Speaker 1: could it be this, Could it be that you know,
Speaker 1: we know there's there's giant birds, big owls, owls, owls.
Speaker 1: I think the most well, the closest that we've could
Speaker 1: ever come to comparing anything related to a mothman. But
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, people describe mothman with a white long
Speaker 1: you know, big wing span, you know, and then other
Speaker 1: people have you know, seen a bipedal figure, you know,
Speaker 1: almost like a man, you know. So it's especially with Zach.
Speaker 1: Zach had an encounter which was very interesting. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, naturally that's interesting, Zach.
Speaker 1: If you if you would like job, if you want
Speaker 1: to go and share that, Oh do I gotta do
Speaker 1: it again?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jack shared this one numerous times with people.
Speaker 3: This has got to be my most most highly requested
Speaker 3: encounter I've ever had.
Speaker 2: I'd love to share it, Zach.
Speaker 3: But all right, well, since you asked nicely, Andy, I'll
Speaker 3: tell you Daniel not too much.
Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much.
Speaker 3: It happened a couple of years ago in uh what
Speaker 3: year was it again, two thousand and uh sixteen. It
Speaker 3: was right around Christmas time. My girlfriend at the time
Speaker 3: called me about two forty five in the morning and
Speaker 3: she says, get up and get ready. We need to
Speaker 3: go to town and pick something up. And I said, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll throw my coole's on. You come to the house
Speaker 3: and pick me up and we'll take off and she said, okay,
Speaker 3: I'll be there in a bit. And she comes here
Speaker 3: and she picks me up. And I live out in
Speaker 3: a very rural area. I live out in the middle
Speaker 3: of on a cattle farm that me and my family on.
Speaker 3: I'm a fifth generation cattle farmer.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And we drove down this old country road heading towards
Speaker 3: the nearest town called Marion, and we're driving slow down
Speaker 3: the road. It was a clear night like it is tonight.
Speaker 3: It was a full moon and it was I want
Speaker 3: to say it was about maybe the twenty first or
Speaker 3: the twenty second, twenty third of December. And we're just
Speaker 3: tooling along. She's driving slow because of ice being on
Speaker 3: the road and everything. And I'm watching at the passenger
Speaker 3: window to make sure if there's any deer out running.
Speaker 3: And we come past this one open field that sets
Speaker 3: right off the road and I looked out in the
Speaker 3: field and I see the silhouette of looks to be
Speaker 3: a man standing there, and I said, babe, stop the car.
Speaker 3: I said, you seeing that guy out there? And she
Speaker 3: said yeah, And so you stay right here. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go check because at the time I didn't know if
Speaker 3: it was some guy that was out here that was trespassing,
Speaker 3: or if someone was out here looking for something to steal.
Speaker 1: Or if they were drunk.
Speaker 3: Rocker, definitely, And I got out of the car and
Speaker 3: I stood on the shoulder and I said, excuse me, sorry,
Speaker 3: you're okay? I didn't get an answer. And there was
Speaker 3: no overcast that night, and I saw a solid silhouette
Speaker 3: and it looked like to be a man wearing a
Speaker 3: very dark overcoat, but it didn't have any sleeves, so
Speaker 3: basically it looked like he was wearing a cape. And
Speaker 3: I hopped across the ditch and I got up on
Speaker 3: the lip of the field, on the lip of that
Speaker 3: ditch where it goes into the field, and I said, sir,
Speaker 3: are you okay? Do I need to call somebody? And
Speaker 3: that's when it looked and it turned at me, and
Speaker 3: there was no glow to the eyes before at this point,
Speaker 3: I said, sir, you okay? Do I need to call somebody?
Speaker 1: Are you all right?
Speaker 3: And that's when the wings opened up and it sounded
Speaker 3: like whenever you're trying to flatten a tarp out that's
Speaker 3: all bundled up and you're trying to spread it out
Speaker 3: and flop it in the wind. You hear that flume sound,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what the wings sounded like. And about the
Speaker 3: time my eyes seeing what was going on, the eyes
Speaker 3: flashed at me a bright red and it hit me
Speaker 3: with a very sharp pain in my eyes. The only
Speaker 3: thing I could compare it to was if you've ever
Speaker 3: been welding with an arc welder and someone flash flashes
Speaker 3: you with that arc without a mask on. That's it
Speaker 3: exactly the pain that hit me in the eyes, and
Speaker 3: it blinded me temporarily for like thirty seconds. To them,
Speaker 3: that's an I mean, my eyes were just watering like crazy,
Speaker 3: like my mind as well been crying. And I wiped
Speaker 3: my eyes and it got my sight back. And before
Speaker 3: I could open my eyes, I heard another fume and
Speaker 3: I looked over where this thing was and it was gone.
Speaker 3: And I turned around and hollered back at the car
Speaker 3: and I said, Babe, do you see that she goes?
Speaker 1: She goes?
Speaker 3: Yes, I did. I said, you see where he went?
Speaker 3: And she said no, And I'm not sticking around to.
Speaker 1: See what it was.
Speaker 3: So I got back across the ditch, I got back
Speaker 3: in the car and we drove to town. We didn't
Speaker 3: say a word to each other all the way into town,
Speaker 3: when we got to the store, and all the way
Speaker 3: back to my house. We didn't say a word, and
Speaker 3: I sat there the whole time trying to figure out
Speaker 3: what in the world was it.
Speaker 2: Did you see here's a question. Did you see a
Speaker 2: distinct head on the figure when you were looking at
Speaker 2: it before the wings and furled and it was just
Speaker 2: a statue like figure. Did it? Did it look like
Speaker 2: a man with the shoulders and the head?
Speaker 3: It looked like just a head sitting on shoulders, No
Speaker 3: like around his head. Whenever, whenever it turned and looked
Speaker 3: at me, it turned its whole torso it didn't turn it.
Speaker 2: That's that's significant. Yeah, that shows it's a very short leg.
Speaker 2: So for a long time now I've got a that's
Speaker 2: an amazing sighting. By the way, especially because of what
Speaker 2: happened your eyes when the eyes flashed, So some sort
Speaker 2: of bioluminescence in the eyes that would explain this globe
Speaker 2: people talk about. But another thing was you had this
Speaker 2: it affected your side, so it emitted something at you
Speaker 2: with this flash of the eyes that affected your vision,
Speaker 2: which could be some kind of hunting technique. Right blind
Speaker 2: to pray and then you pray on it, or you
Speaker 2: blind the predator and you escape. I think that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Now there's a similar sighting to yours from Scotland, actually
Speaker 2: from Glasgow, about the way that this creature looked, and
Speaker 2: this was somebody that they were walking. They were driving
Speaker 2: home sorry a four thirty am in the morning, also
Speaker 2: very early. They missed their turn into their streets and
Speaker 2: they pulled over to perform a YouTube and the gates
Speaker 2: of the Sight Hill Cemetery and the Lords boundary, they
Speaker 2: saw something move extremely quickly through the headlights and it
Speaker 2: went across the nose of their car, running in the street.
Speaker 2: They thought it was maybe forty feet in front of them,
Speaker 2: and they went down the street in from a very
Speaker 2: fast speed, and this person in the car followed it
Speaker 2: very very closely to try to keep up and said
Speaker 2: it was jet black. It might have had something that
Speaker 2: would either wing or something that looked like a cape,
Speaker 2: a black cape that it was wearing. They got the
Speaker 2: impression of maybe feathers, they weren't sure, but something like
Speaker 2: bad swings. And as they followed it in the street,
Speaker 2: it stopped, you know, at the end near a wall
Speaker 2: within the street, and the car driver also stopped and
Speaker 2: had it towards it to the headlights. Then it jumped
Speaker 2: twenty feet vertically in the air and over the wall
Speaker 2: behind it. It's amazing, but some of the similarities, some
Speaker 2: of the descriptions is the same. You know, there's a
Speaker 2: man like figure, it's got a cowl on or a
Speaker 2: cape or some kind of wings or some description that
Speaker 2: too dark to see the detail of. I think that's
Speaker 2: an amazing sighting you got. And then it really reminded
Speaker 2: me of this one when you said it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so much research whenever it comes to flying riptids,
Speaker 3: especially from spring Hill Jack to the demon Labor to
Speaker 3: the band Neither Monster, Our Man, the Man, the flying
Speaker 3: human noise. It's such an interesting thing to me. Like
Speaker 3: what I want to know is where did these things
Speaker 3: come from?
Speaker 1: What are they? And why are they here? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot of people would go to
Speaker 2: the paranormal explanation because of the creature's attributes. I'd like
Speaker 2: to shy away from that personally, because I think once
Speaker 2: we lose it in the paranormal world, you don't you
Speaker 2: no longer need an explanation. You forget the real, the
Speaker 2: natural side of things. I'd like to think that some
Speaker 2: animals that we don't know of i'll quite know yet
Speaker 2: might have abilities that we would consider extraordinary, like bigfoot
Speaker 2: infrasounds and people talk about that, don't they, Or you know,
Speaker 2: bioluminescent features in eyes, and some of the the terrosoles
Speaker 2: like the rope and that people talk about ore and
Speaker 2: darva having a bioluminescence that helps them to see at
Speaker 2: night or to hunt. These things may seem extraordinary, but
Speaker 2: when you think about it, well, you know, an octopus
Speaker 2: can change color to disguise itself as a rock, and right,
Speaker 2: the chameleon can mimic any colored seas. You know, lots
Speaker 2: of creatures tigers apparently have infrasound. So the elephants and
Speaker 2: tigers apparently use it. They think that to stun their prey. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They also think that owls might have some sort of bioluminescence. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, these are not proven scientific as they're still.
Speaker 1: In the theory.
Speaker 2: But the natural world is very naturally amazing inability. When
Speaker 2: we look at it objectively, we imagine we never knew
Speaker 2: about these animals. What they can do seems amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's amazing, Like as far as the infrasound.
Speaker 1: Just I'm just throwing that out there for example, since
Speaker 1: you mentioned that's one thing that shouldn't be too far
Speaker 1: feest for us to believe considering the number of known
Speaker 1: species that use it. Some may use it in a
Speaker 1: slightly different way than others, but there is primates that
Speaker 1: have been known to use it in a smaller primates.
Speaker 1: But like you said, there's so much that we don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, we even with our known as species, there's
Speaker 1: so much that we think we know that because of
Speaker 1: you know, what is exposed, but there's so much more
Speaker 1: mystery behind them themselves, never mind something that's considered unknown
Speaker 1: that you know, even mainstream science is not willing to
Speaker 1: or not ready to admit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, yeah, fully that. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: in one sense, I know, in cryptoology, sometimes science can
Speaker 2: be our enemy and it can be our friend, you know.
Speaker 2: So I find conclusive evidence itself friend, and the rest
Speaker 2: of the time it's ultra skepticism about some very convincing
Speaker 2: facts can be troubling to as well. I'm quite easy
Speaker 2: about the whole thing. I just think that we need
Speaker 2: to embrace it what we can. But science doesn't really
Speaker 2: have or a tenured scientist don't really have that ability
Speaker 2: to go out and search for these unknown creatures because
Speaker 2: it probably would have a detrimental effect on their careers
Speaker 2: for most of them, you know. So in the old days,
Speaker 2: if you went up searching for the Lucknest monster and
Speaker 2: you were, you know, a tenured scientist or part of
Speaker 2: the Natural History Museum or one of those guys, you
Speaker 2: weren't coming back to your job on the Monday, you know,
Speaker 2: after you went out there looking for it. So over
Speaker 2: the years, you know, that's had a big effect in people.
Speaker 2: I think they're very cautious because of that, and so
Speaker 2: they should be. You know, it's you can't just accept
Speaker 2: anything people like us. I think what's exciting about what
Speaker 2: we're doing, you and I you guys, is that everybody
Speaker 2: in the world, you know, thinks at the age of
Speaker 2: exploration and discovery is gone, and it's not. We've just
Speaker 2: come to this conclusion that we've seen everything. We've been everywhere,
Speaker 2: but even in our own backyard, we're barely aware of
Speaker 2: what's there all. And it's amazing to think that there
Speaker 2: could be stuff that we've overlooked, especially in the country upbringing,
Speaker 2: but even in the United States, it's thoroughly explored as
Speaker 2: far as cataloging of species goes. It's an amazing thing now,
Speaker 2: either thousands of witnesses or making things up, you know,
Speaker 2: like the eleven plus thousand of Locknewers are all making
Speaker 2: things up and corroborating with each other or with Saskoch
Speaker 2: or there's something in it. And I think there must
Speaker 2: be something in it, even if it's something we can
Speaker 2: explain away. It's got to be more than just fanciful
Speaker 2: ideas and imaginations, because you don't get positive of attention
Speaker 2: for saying you've seen something.
Speaker 1: Like this, right.
Speaker 2: You might get your name in the paper, but the
Speaker 2: attention that comes off isn't positive. I try to contact
Speaker 2: a bunch of British bigfoot witnesses here to ask if
Speaker 2: they go on camera, and all of them said, no way.
Speaker 2: The intention we got from the article that came out
Speaker 2: from the newspaper or whatever was so bad that we
Speaker 2: don't want to go back into this. We don't want
Speaker 2: that kind of attention for our families anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, And.
Speaker 2: That what's the encouragement for people to make things like
Speaker 2: this up, especially in Britain about bigfoot, Because it's not
Speaker 2: a phenomenon people are familiar with, especially out here. There's
Speaker 2: not really anything in it. There's not any any background
Speaker 2: or any benefit for them in making something like this up.
Speaker 2: So largely, I think a lot of the witnesses, most
Speaker 2: are telling the truth with v occasional intension to seek
Speaker 2: in sightings, you know, making their way and occasionally here
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing I share, you know what. I
Speaker 1: have been in several discussions with non believers, skeptics, you know,
Speaker 1: and so forth, and you know, and some of these
Speaker 1: non believers and skeptics are some of my own friends,
Speaker 1: you know, and and family, I will say family mainly
Speaker 1: pertaining to my older sister, my other older sisters, the
Speaker 1: youngest out of the two, she's like totally into it,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, and she's always watching and looking.
Speaker 1: Whenever she goes out hiking with one of her friends
Speaker 1: and she gets excited, she thinks she's sign his footprints.
Speaker 1: She send me pictures, Daniel, check this out.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, all right, calm down, Melie, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know, when it comes to skeptics and stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, first of all, are you aware,
Speaker 1: you know, of the history of big friends, you know,
Speaker 1: dating back over one hundred years to down you know
Speaker 1: Native American, you know, documentation to early American history. There's
Speaker 1: so much to consider this. There's a lot of history
Speaker 1: that's documented, you know, even in all the eyewitnesses, you know,
Speaker 1: especially coming from law officials.
Speaker 2: That have you know, Yeah, all kinds of people have
Speaker 2: seen these.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I asked them, I said, are you calling
Speaker 1: them all liars? You know, maybe some have There's a
Speaker 1: possibility that, yeah, some of these things could be misidentified
Speaker 1: or over exaggerated. But you know, you've got to consider
Speaker 1: the sources. You know, you can't just miss them all,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always been the case with other animals. And
Speaker 2: look at the giants squid. Yeah, it's a real creature
Speaker 2: that we've got on film. We go on camera. We
Speaker 2: found specimens years ago. It wasn't accepted. So I remember
Speaker 2: that my sister's father in law, her husband's father, who's
Speaker 2: in the navy, said telling about an experience they have
Speaker 2: with a giant squid where it just attached itself to
Speaker 2: the navigation radar, son or what are on the bottom
Speaker 2: of the boat and somehow however it got off. You know,
Speaker 2: when they went down there to repair it. It had
Speaker 2: these claw marks and the claw stuck in it while
Speaker 2: from the suckers, and nobody ever believed them that they
Speaker 2: had dis encounter with the giant squid.
Speaker 1: And yet.
Speaker 2: They think he thinks that it was attracted by the
Speaker 2: pulse that was a bitting and attached itself to it.
Speaker 2: But regardless of that, you know, for a long time, nobody,
Speaker 2: you know, everybody thought, who's joking? And we would take
Speaker 2: it seriously. These navy guys when they make a report,
Speaker 2: it has to be factual. All these sea captain reports
Speaker 2: together sea monsters. There has to be a factual report.
Speaker 2: That's their career. They don't take reporting a sea monster
Speaker 2: as a lightly thing, right to report what they've encountered.
Speaker 2: And I but the ones that did make the report
Speaker 2: were nervous about how it would be received. And it's
Speaker 2: the same with these government officials. And it was the
Speaker 2: ladies think we even had the FORLOCKANESSI Peter Scott, who
Speaker 2: was I think he's dead now. He was a member
Speaker 2: of parliament and he saw he was a big supporter
Speaker 2: of it, and the fog like that to go and record,
Speaker 2: you know, a lord to say I've seen it and
Speaker 2: it's real and.
Speaker 1: I believe in it.
Speaker 2: That's a big thing, and that's I think the power.
Speaker 2: You can't and see what you've seen, So when you
Speaker 2: have a revelatory experience, so to speak, you can't go back,
Speaker 2: regardless of what kind of attention you get for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, but it's uh, yeah, you know, I understand
Speaker 1: when it comes, you know, and I'm sure I think
Speaker 1: we all could agree. And you know that you either
Speaker 1: we you know, we've always experienced our own ridicule or
Speaker 1: marckery about what we do. But you know, it's easy
Speaker 1: to I think it's easy for us to cope and
Speaker 1: understand with others who you know, have you dealt with
Speaker 1: it themselves. And at the same time, there's people out
Speaker 1: there that have seen things that have not shared, but
Speaker 1: they want to tell it. You know. It's sometimes that
Speaker 1: you know, whatever they experience, it might be haunting them,
Speaker 1: but they want answers like a lot of us do.
Speaker 1: That's been involved with us for so long. And you
Speaker 1: know that's why I personally, I know, I believe Zach
Speaker 1: does too, and several others you know as well. We
Speaker 1: put ourselves out there publicly about what we do I
Speaker 1: know I do. I I got cards, you know, business
Speaker 1: cards with my information about who I am or what
Speaker 1: I do. Contact information. Uh, there's been times I put
Speaker 1: flyers out there, you know. I mean I've been putting
Speaker 1: some flyers out in random places publicly meressing for our
Speaker 1: you know, our upcoming events, so you know, but you
Speaker 1: know throughout the year, you know, well, mainly within the
Speaker 1: last few years, I've been putting out you know, these cards,
Speaker 1: you know, the last three to five years, and uh,
Speaker 1: you'll be surprised. It's actually pulled people out the woodwork,
Speaker 1: you know, people somewhere to go to. Absolutely. Yeah. I've
Speaker 1: been out in public before in the restaurant and you know,
Speaker 1: one guy, well I had my big foot T shirt on,
Speaker 1: but he's like, hey, yeah, I know you. I follow
Speaker 1: you on Facebook, you know, I say, oh cool, he
Speaker 1: said yeah, because you know, I've run into people out
Speaker 1: in my research here because it's you know, it's a
Speaker 1: very wooded, remote area. But you know, during the hunting season,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a hunting you're allowed to hunt out there,
Speaker 1: and I've ran into people. I've had a guy pull
Speaker 1: up to my vehicle. It was him and his daughter.
Speaker 1: They were hunting and uh he said oh. He said.
Speaker 1: He says, have you found them yet? I said no. Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is during this early part of the winter.
Speaker 3: I get asked that question every day by my baseball team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because just a few months ago. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: about three about three four months ago. And the guy
Speaker 1: asked me. You know, he asked me that and I
Speaker 1: said no, no, but he pointed over his daughter. He says, yeah,
Speaker 1: he said, I recognize your license, lea, beause I got
Speaker 1: The guy told me I got one of your cards.
Speaker 1: He said, my daughter's really into that stuff. She she
Speaker 1: believes all this though. You know, I said, oh cool,
Speaker 1: So you know, I got out of my vehicle, you know,
Speaker 1: in do something. But that's what I like. I like,
Speaker 1: you know, even regardless I've seen him and it's putting
Speaker 1: the word out there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's nice that people are getting a bit
Speaker 2: more okay with it now. So in my job though
Speaker 2: too recently, the guy, the guy hired me, he said, oh,
Speaker 2: I take you out to get this book online? What's
Speaker 2: that about? And in the meeting, the introductory eating the
Speaker 2: whole boardroom, make explain what it's about. I I just
Speaker 2: take it with the picture you really believe in that stuff.
Speaker 2: I said. Yeah, you know, there's there's a lot to it,
Speaker 2: I said, but more than anything, I enjoy it. And
Speaker 2: if you tell them that I enjoy it, you know,
Speaker 2: it makes it easy for them to grasp it, to
Speaker 2: conceive of it, because then you're not asking people to
Speaker 2: believe it, you're asking them to accept you and you're
Speaker 2: into it. Yeah, right, which is a different thing to
Speaker 2: ask of somebody. It's an easier it's an easier ask,
Speaker 2: so to say, yeah, you know, I'm really into this.
Speaker 2: I like these kind of things, you know, boice toys,
Speaker 2: that kind of stuffs, see Bigfoot the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Which it's a lot more involved in that, but I
Speaker 2: don't have to hit them with the whole thing. They
Speaker 2: can just come bit by bit if they want. I'm
Speaker 2: talking about negative attention. Actually, the most negative attention I
Speaker 2: get is from people in the cryptotibology community. It's not
Speaker 2: you know, because there's rivalry, but there's different opinions on
Speaker 2: different things. And unfortunately, you know, since our first interview together,
Speaker 2: I've I've met a lot of these folks along the way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it's been difficult. And normally, will I do if
Speaker 2: I get a lot of negative attention from some of
Speaker 2: the if it's not productive, I just say, okay, let's
Speaker 2: finish the conversation and then just don't communicate or block
Speaker 2: if it's necessary.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And it's amazing, you know, because it's amazing how many
Speaker 2: people in the cryptology will really I'm not criticizing the
Speaker 2: whole community. I'm very grateful to it. But there's some
Speaker 2: elements that it's very confusing that they will give you
Speaker 2: heavy criticism for believing the reality of these creatures like
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and especially in Britain, or lake monsters or whatever.
Speaker 2: And I'm currently dealing with one situation right now which
Speaker 2: I won't go into, and it's just amazing kind of
Speaker 2: what lends or will go to you. And I think, well,
Speaker 2: we're involved in the same study.
Speaker 1: Here, you know.
Speaker 2: It's it just seems that they're one or two minor
Speaker 2: factions that are just dedicated to actually discritiking anything anybody says,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I don't know where the influence comes from
Speaker 2: other than they get to say that you've been over
Speaker 2: imaginative or you're making it up, and that's just acceptable.
Speaker 2: They don't have to prove that in any way. And
Speaker 2: that's the only slightly negative side. But apart from that, everybody,
Speaker 2: like yourselves and other people have been brilliant and it's
Speaker 2: a it's a you know, I advise everybody who is
Speaker 2: interested in it to just get involved in a group
Speaker 2: or like your group, ePRO or whatever else is out
Speaker 2: there and just find out about stuff. If nothing else.
Speaker 2: It's really good fun and it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and that's what it should be fun, you know,
Speaker 1: anything cryptal zoology because you know, people got understand there's
Speaker 1: no degree, you know, that we can obtain to get this.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, I'm sad to say it's it's
Speaker 1: actually for most of us. It started off as a
Speaker 1: hobby and a curiosity that turned to be a hobby
Speaker 1: that turned into something a little bit more. But you know,
Speaker 1: it be you know for some of us who became
Speaker 1: a passion to want to know the truth, and so
Speaker 1: therefore we set ourselves out there to do research and
Speaker 1: study and observe and so but you know, I know
Speaker 1: ZACT will tell you firsthand the big Foot community as
Speaker 1: a whole, and anyone else. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people sit back and you know, try to have
Speaker 1: very little to do with social media because of the
Speaker 1: the people that's got such swell swell heads, you know,
Speaker 1: that want to be they're there's a self self proclaimed experts.
Speaker 1: They'll tell you they're the same people that say there's
Speaker 1: no such thing as experts, but yet they're the ones
Speaker 1: that are there, right they claim they're the ones that answers.
Speaker 2: You know, toted by them. I mean, and again there's
Speaker 2: such an community. I'm not trying to denigrate people on
Speaker 2: mass at or just there's just a few instances. But
Speaker 2: the funny thing is, I think one of these people
Speaker 2: recently said self styled cryptosologist and m and I thought,
Speaker 2: whatever style is there there's no degree for some self style.
Speaker 2: I've got no other there's no other way to do
Speaker 2: it right. But it's a funny thing. And I think
Speaker 2: he thought it was a criticism. I thought, oh, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's that's how it is actually And yeah, we have
Speaker 2: to be like you said, you have to debunk certain
Speaker 2: things that are obvious. But I like to put the
Speaker 2: question out first, especially in the group. I've got the
Speaker 2: Piece of Britain page Facebook, mainly Twitter put the question out.
Speaker 2: So there was a recent wave formation in Lochness that
Speaker 2: somebody said, the tourist who filmed had said that he'd
Speaker 2: seen Messy and this was the action that they're going
Speaker 2: through the waves that I put it out and a
Speaker 2: lot of people say, that's just the boat wait. So
Speaker 2: that's fair enough. It looks like a boat wait. But
Speaker 2: the witness is saying that he saw NeSSI and had
Speaker 2: a hippopotamus like skin. You don't see that in a
Speaker 2: boat wave. So we're left in the position of leading
Speaker 2: the witness or thinking the witness or a boat wave
Speaker 2: sold the footage to a newspaper and city saw NeSSI.
Speaker 2: It's possible. But that's that's what it's all about, isn't
Speaker 2: it judging whether that's a valid sighting or not. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: based upon the description and the footage, and we just
Speaker 2: have to put it out there. I think it's it's
Speaker 2: important to encourage each other. So what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: do with my page is always post at the people's research, right,
Speaker 2: good people like yourself and other people that producing things.
Speaker 2: That's that's promote everybody else because in doing that you
Speaker 2: also promote yourself because you fill up your page with
Speaker 2: good research as your own, and and just make little
Speaker 2: communities where we're support in each other and saying it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm going to advertise your event. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell everybody who are doing something, I'm gonna support you.
Speaker 2: Because this is a we're already a fringe science or
Speaker 2: community so to speak. Let's not make it even more fractured,
Speaker 2: you know, Let's try to find community somewhere.
Speaker 1: Right. Absolutely, you couldn't have said that any better, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I agree tell you what we're getting ready
Speaker 1: to come to a close. But before we do, uh Andy,
Speaker 1: I want you if there's any information, especially if you
Speaker 1: want to promote. I always give everybody the opportunity to
Speaker 1: plug something, to share something that they want to put
Speaker 1: out there to remind everybody. As for as you know,
Speaker 1: we got your your book A Beast of Britain, which
Speaker 1: was found on Amazon. Now, is there anything else you
Speaker 1: want to throw out there you want anybody to know? Yet?
Speaker 2: Just really briefly, for anybody listening in the UK, the
Speaker 2: British Cryptics Conference is happening on the twenty seventh of May.
Speaker 2: For tickets, you can find a link on my page
Speaker 2: Beasts Facebook dot com. Beasts of That's my Facebook page.
Speaker 2: I'm also going to be in the US in September.
Speaker 2: So I'll be doing the International Cryptology Conference Lauren Coleman
Speaker 2: on the first and second of September and Crypticon in
Speaker 2: Kentucky on the eighth and ninth. So if you're around,
Speaker 2: if you're coming to the to the talks, or to
Speaker 2: those weekends, I'll be around. I want to come to
Speaker 2: say hi and have a chat. I'd love to, you know,
Speaker 2: meet a couple couple of people. And that's what I
Speaker 2: like the most, just standing around and talking to Come
Speaker 2: and say hi to me.
Speaker 1: If you're there, absolutely, And I know me and you
Speaker 1: recently discussed you know, future events, and normally I wouldn't
Speaker 1: do this, but you know, just you know, I know,
Speaker 1: like I know that we exactly said, okay, well you know,
Speaker 1: all right, I'll go ahead do this. Well, everybody knows
Speaker 1: that we got the twenty eighteen ecbr's first Angle Virginia
Speaker 1: big Foot Conference coming up here June thirtieth and July first.
Speaker 1: It's a two day event followed by a week long
Speaker 1: of camping in a big foot hotspot right here in Virginia.
Speaker 1: And of course for twenty eighteen, all the speakers are
Speaker 1: all confirmed and booked and ready to go. We're we're
Speaker 1: all excited, we're ready for this and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's our first annual. It's a big thing. We got
Speaker 1: our several vendors, you know, set up. We still got
Speaker 1: more room for more vendors. And right now this event
Speaker 1: has turned into a huge success, you know, as it
Speaker 1: is with people promoting it, sharing it. Ticket sales are
Speaker 1: out off, you know, you know, looking awesome. I've been
Speaker 1: still still selling tickets the last few days here. We
Speaker 1: still have a few more months ago, and well, let's
Speaker 1: just jump to twenty five, twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. I've
Speaker 1: actually been contacted in the past by other future candidates
Speaker 1: for speaker positions, which you know, we're first, you know,
Speaker 1: we're trying to get through. We're gonna try to get
Speaker 1: through this event here. First, well, I've been in contact
Speaker 1: and you know, I pretty much I guess you could
Speaker 1: say I've already got one confirmed, and if it's safe
Speaker 1: to say, first of all, let me announce the one
Speaker 1: that I do have confirmed, which I wasn't gonna announce
Speaker 1: it yet, but because we haven't even gotten through this
Speaker 1: year's event. But for Zach Derek right here, we have
Speaker 1: Zach Derek, which is going to be this year's emc
Speaker 1: our event MC, which I've been in discussion with Zach.
Speaker 1: Zach is actually going to be one of our speakers
Speaker 1: for twenty nineteen. So and then secondly, I recently been
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't mind me phone this out there, Andy,
Speaker 1: Uh And yeah, me and Andy been in discussion and
Speaker 1: that he's willing to take a spot for twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: right here in Virginia at our second annual event. So
Speaker 1: that's going to be exciting. They have a resume in
Speaker 1: the UK here in UH with us, So then Daniel,
Speaker 1: that's all good, It's all good. We'll be indoors regardless.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, there's a lot to look forward to.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're excited for this year. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you know they have YouTube arty confirmed and
Speaker 1: you know it's awesome.
Speaker 2: So fantalism. Yeah, I mean, I'm just so glad that
Speaker 2: you're doing these events as well, because people need those
Speaker 2: things to go to. I don't have I just don't
Speaker 2: have that ability to put something together like that, but
Speaker 2: I love to be a part of it. Definitely.
Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you what it's it's it's fun to
Speaker 1: think about it. But you know, since I've started this,
Speaker 1: it's more more more of a headache than I realized.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's it's very stressful, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: believe it will pay off in the long rune. So
Speaker 1: this is my first event. I'm learning a lot from
Speaker 1: this already, and you know, so we'll we'll conquer from this,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll take it from it, learn from it,
Speaker 1: and uh improve even more later on. But so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, like I said, you know, it's it's something
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to you So, you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: we there are speakers that we have lineup for this year.
Speaker 1: They're awesome. They're mind blowing. Several of them are pretty
Speaker 1: well known a lot in the big communities, such as
Speaker 1: Ronald J. Moorehead also known for Sierra Sounds. Let's see,
Speaker 1: we have Valdemart Galvan Jr. Which he is uh for
Speaker 1: Native American from out of Texas. Uh So he's taking
Speaker 1: a flight up here. Yeah, oh yeah, in Baltimore. They'll
Speaker 1: actually be staying here in my house. So that'll be cool.
Speaker 1: They'll be camping out here.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you wanna regret that?
Speaker 1: Why you say that?
Speaker 3: Because I'm gonna be raiding your fridge the whole time
Speaker 3: I'm there.
Speaker 1: That's why I That's why I keep my forty five
Speaker 1: locking and loaded right here next to me.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be thinking there's a bear in there, especially
Speaker 3: whenever I start snoring.
Speaker 1: Oh no, my store and might wait to keep you up,
Speaker 1: I'll have to set you on the back porch. So
Speaker 1: let's see, uh we have I'm gonna tell you we
Speaker 1: have a lot of people come from North Carolina. Two
Speaker 1: of our speakers that come from North Carolina, but we
Speaker 1: have a crowd that's following them. We have doctor Kimberly McGeorge,
Speaker 1: and we have Darby or Cut. Darby or Cut. He
Speaker 1: is a he doesn't like me to refer to him
Speaker 1: as a professor, but he is a teacher on the
Speaker 1: staff at the North Carolina State University. He'll be he'll
Speaker 1: be bringing the science into our you know, he's it's oddy.
Speaker 1: Me and him been on several discussions and actually me
Speaker 1: and him are getting together a second week ind in
Speaker 1: May to do some exploring field work. He wants to
Speaker 1: get out there and watch me because originally he reached
Speaker 1: out to me. You know, I guess you know there's
Speaker 1: people that follow you, and you don't know it till
Speaker 1: they contact you and say, look, I've been following you.
Speaker 1: I've been watching you. I like how you go about
Speaker 1: doing things. I want to see you do it in persons.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, cool. So so he's been trying to
Speaker 1: arrange there with me for the longest time. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: because I've been busy working, you know, so I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make some time for him.
Speaker 2: Normal things we all have to do as well, you know,
Speaker 2: we all have to have day jobs. Yeah, family and
Speaker 2: the rest of that stuff as well. I mean regularly,
Speaker 2: normally during the daytime, you can find me on the
Speaker 2: tube and on the train, zipping on London, you know,
Speaker 2: with the millions, with my headphones on, quietly listening to
Speaker 2: some sort of cryptosology in for your confidence. That's all, yeah,
Speaker 2: pretending that I'm somewhere else. So it's just, you know,
Speaker 2: that's just a wonderful life. I think it all sounds great.
Speaker 2: I'm super happy to do it, and yeah, I'm really
Speaker 2: I feel privileged. Thank you for inviting me.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And if you're able to bring and bring the
Speaker 1: family with you, you know, this is what you know.
Speaker 1: I know it is easy. You said that done. I
Speaker 1: know that's not always possible, but uh, you know, as
Speaker 1: far as our event we do, we do try to
Speaker 1: ensure that let everybody know our events our family oriented,
Speaker 1: and you know we always try to accommodate two younger
Speaker 1: you know, the younger audience that you know, there's all
Speaker 1: the stuff for the younger audience, you know, uh, to
Speaker 1: to participate in, you know. So yeah, great experience for
Speaker 1: the whole family as well.
Speaker 2: So, I mean, my kids love it. What's that say?
Speaker 3: You get here next year?
Speaker 1: Do you drink?
Speaker 2: I don't drink. So I gave him drinking nine years ago.
Speaker 2: And I'm from an Irish background from Wales, so I
Speaker 2: live in England now. And the whole joke is that
Speaker 2: I didn't move to England. I was deported for not drinking.
Speaker 3: I'm three quarter Irish. I was going to see who
Speaker 3: to drink who under the table?
Speaker 2: No, I mean in the old days, I would have
Speaker 2: I would have faced that challenge for sure. But I
Speaker 2: don't drink. I haven't drunk fun nine years. Not a drop.
Speaker 3: I'll buy a Sodi pop when you get thank you drink.
Speaker 2: Coffee if you've got some nice coffee there. I definitely
Speaker 2: would like to try that out.
Speaker 3: Hey Daniel, we need to get some squad coffee.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I love that. I love that I've only
Speaker 1: tried one kind. When you know there's only one kind
Speaker 1: I ever tried, I have to tried the other kind.
Speaker 1: The one kind I had was a really dark roast,
Speaker 1: which is only like a dark It was okay, but
Speaker 1: it was a little dark, too dark for me.
Speaker 3: Put hair on my chest.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: There's some strong coffee and I drink what's it called
Speaker 2: the Italian went over the Russa, but I mean Israel.
Speaker 2: Sometimes visiting my wife's family, brother in law have to
Speaker 2: make me a Turkish coffee, which is just kind of
Speaker 2: a like a shot, like an Espresso stars shot, but
Speaker 2: they keep the coffee grounds in there, so you have
Speaker 2: to stop just before you get to the end. Will
Speaker 2: keep you going all day and all night. You don't
Speaker 2: have to return for any more coffee that's strong if
Speaker 2: it doesn't give you a headache.
Speaker 1: That is. My buddy Mike might know what that's like
Speaker 1: because his his sister, well, his sister's married to a
Speaker 1: guy he's from. He's he's from Israel, Israeli. They used
Speaker 1: to they used to live in Long Island, New York.
Speaker 1: Now they're in California. That makes it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think up it. We tried to get
Speaker 2: there once a year to see family, oh that way,
Speaker 2: but you know, once a year, once every year and
Speaker 2: a half, if not for a couple of weeks. And
Speaker 2: it's just great. The people are great. The food is
Speaker 2: out of this world. Even the road services have awesome food.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And it's unheard of that they're just I did I
Speaker 2: like them. I'm biased, of course I married one, but
Speaker 2: I do like the people.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, who knows one day I might get
Speaker 1: to travel like that, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a bit further along for you,
Speaker 2: I understand, you know. And then where I am I
Speaker 2: because about five hours daughter or here. But yeah, you
Speaker 2: should definitely do it because it would be It's a
Speaker 2: surprising place and it's it's also welcoming.
Speaker 1: Awesome. How about you, Zach before we jump off here,
Speaker 1: you have anything you want to throw out there?
Speaker 3: Well, this one just got scheduled. On the last week
Speaker 3: July twenty seventh, in crab Orchard, Illinois, six pm to
Speaker 3: eight pm, the first annual crab Orchard Bigfoot Seminar will
Speaker 3: be taking place, and yours truly will be the keynote
Speaker 3: speaker for the seminar.
Speaker 1: Cool Man.
Speaker 3: It's free to the public. Everyone's welcome to come on out.
Speaker 3: It's the crab Orchard Public Library. If you check it
Speaker 3: out on the Crypti CSI page, my personal page on Facebook,
Speaker 3: and then on the Southern Illinois Monsters page. You've got
Speaker 3: three places to get updates for the seminar. Hey, everybody's
Speaker 3: welcome to come out. I will be having Q and
Speaker 3: a meet and greet and the seminar, and I'll have
Speaker 3: the seminar in between both of those. I am starting
Speaker 3: to sell some merchandise. I just got my first batch
Speaker 3: of car decals made and then I'll be selling those
Speaker 3: for about maybe five bucks a pop. If you want
Speaker 3: to get a card decal, get a hold of me
Speaker 3: and we'll work something out. Be sure to check out
Speaker 3: the new book that come out that I'm featured in
Speaker 3: that was co authored by John Stamey and Matt delf
Speaker 3: called Lizard Man Bigfoot in Friends. My moth Man encounter
Speaker 3: is featured in that book, so be sure to check
Speaker 3: that out. Be sure to check out the Southern Illinois
Speaker 3: Monster Hunters. We're picking up and businesses picking up. As usual,
Speaker 3: business is picking up here in my research area. We're
Speaker 3: hot on the trail and the trail is we're but
Speaker 3: like I said, business is picking up. I expect us
Speaker 3: to have a pretty good year this year.
Speaker 1: Very awesome, very awesome. And one more thing I want
Speaker 1: to remind everybody make sure you mark your calendar because
Speaker 1: next month, April twenty first down in Harlan, Kentucky at
Speaker 1: one hundred to ten River Street at the Extension Depot
Speaker 1: is the first annual Harlan, Kentucky cryptocon In, which is
Speaker 1: hosted and organized by mister Jimmy Blanton. This is a
Speaker 1: well put together event. Jimmy Blanton is actually joined by
Speaker 1: Miss Jennifer McDaniels, which she's been a major, major, big
Speaker 1: part of this, helping organize this. And like I said,
Speaker 1: this is a one day event, which I think they
Speaker 1: already decided to turn next year into a two day event.
Speaker 1: It's already turned out so big already they will be
Speaker 1: expecting a very nice turnout. And not just this event
Speaker 1: it's taking place, but I will be down there. I
Speaker 1: am actually one of the sponors, one of the featured
Speaker 1: UH speech speakers at this event. So that's something that
Speaker 1: I'm excited about and looking forward to. Me and my
Speaker 1: daughter will be traveling down there next month, so it's
Speaker 1: not too far away, about a five and a half
Speaker 1: hour drives. So yeah, April twenty first, and Harlan Kentucky
Speaker 1: is the Harlan Kentucky Cryptocon. This is the first annual.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, I do want to clarify because
Speaker 1: there is a couple of different conferences that do take
Speaker 1: place in Kentucky. I know one is the one that Andy,
Speaker 1: You'll be attending, the crypt the is it crypto or
Speaker 1: cryptocon Cryptic Con.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, Cryptic crypt of September.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, because that one there is I think in
Speaker 1: Frank Frankfort, Kentucky. That's right, Yes, that's it. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I know I'm familiar with a couple who are
Speaker 1: who do that, because that's that's a very big event
Speaker 1: that takes place every year.
Speaker 2: There's such nice people as well, actually, and I think
Speaker 2: there's a few good faces there too. Then to God
Speaker 2: Freeze there seth Breed Love. Well, yeah, I'm gonna have
Speaker 2: to I'm gonna have to make sure I don't uh
Speaker 2: fan him, you know. Yeah, if I get a meeting.
Speaker 1: Yes, Seth Britta love him and his wife just had
Speaker 1: just had their first baby not long ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. So.
Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. Oh, I think one of my sponsors,
Speaker 1: one of my sponsors will be there. Also my speakers.
Speaker 1: I got one of my speakers will be there as well.
Speaker 1: I believe if I'm not mistaken, the Ohio and night Stalkers.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, Mike Miller and Mike Feldner of the Ohio
Speaker 1: night Starkers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they haven't. I haven't announced everybody yet.
Speaker 2: They haven't announced me, although they booked me, I'm not
Speaker 2: on the list yet. A nice if it looks like
Speaker 2: a nice hotel and lives part of the country to
Speaker 2: be in. But that whole time that I'm over there.
Speaker 2: So I'm arriving in Portland, Maine for the International Disordity Conference.
Speaker 2: Then I'm flying down to ah flying down to Lake Champlain, Vermont.
Speaker 2: I think we'll I'll be spending it most of the
Speaker 2: week with Katielizabeth the Champlain does the Champa champions and
Speaker 2: then I'm flying down to Frankfort or Lexington first in
Speaker 2: Kentucky to do the conference in Frankfort. So it's going
Speaker 2: to be a nice the visit.
Speaker 1: Very awesome.
Speaker 3: Gum, you ain't gonna be that far from me, then, son.
Speaker 2: Well, what's in Frankfurt? Oi in for months?
Speaker 3: Frankfurt, Kentucky is where they have grypt had gone.
Speaker 2: You have to come along.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you goes there, Zach. How far is that from you?
Speaker 3: Four hours? That's funny, that's just on the other side
Speaker 3: of Louisville.
Speaker 2: Listen, I spent longer than four hours trying to get
Speaker 2: home in the tube some days of the delays.
Speaker 3: You can come, that is, my truck will make it.
Speaker 2: Well if you do, I mean, you know, other things
Speaker 2: allowing if you do happen to find yourself there, I'd
Speaker 2: be very happy to buy you beer with my coffee
Speaker 2: and shake your hand. It'd be nice to meet you.
Speaker 3: I drink that beer. I'd be drinking your coffee right afterwards.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also tomorrow now, well tomorrow mark uh, thirteen years me
Speaker 3: being in cryptozoology thirteen fourteen years. But it's also my
Speaker 3: birthday tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Oh happy birthday. Well what age are you reaching?
Speaker 3: Twenty three? And how old would it be tomorrow twenty three?
Speaker 1: Oh? So yeah, he's he's just a baby.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know, I'm a baby, Daniel, ain't I.
Speaker 1: That's his real voice. Andy.
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna because it's going to be your twenty birthday,
Speaker 2: I want to tell you something. So and this is
Speaker 2: going to sound patronizing, but that's not the way I
Speaker 2: mean it at all in any way. So when I
Speaker 2: was twenty, in every way which I mean that, I
Speaker 2: was what I thought it means to be a man completely.
Speaker 2: And now it's like almost forty two orthouse years later,
Speaker 2: twenty one years later, almost I realized it was a
Speaker 2: complete ruse.
Speaker 1: You know, just do what you want.
Speaker 2: Don't think about that stuff about what society says it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be, because it's it's just rubbish. Just be you.
Speaker 2: And you're probably already doing that already, obviously you are.
Speaker 2: But for me, you know, it's a long time to
Speaker 2: realize that you don't have to be that template, you know,
Speaker 2: of whatever a man's supposed to be. So, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: really nice. And those other twenty one years came very quickly.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel the same day or well,
Speaker 2: how old you for forty two next month?
Speaker 1: I think eight? Now you're just a few years older.
Speaker 1: Than me. I just turned thirty eight on the twenty fifth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, you're one hundred and thirty eight old man.
Speaker 1: Okay, why because I showed more gray hair than most?
Speaker 3: No comment. I believe the fifth.
Speaker 2: Take the fifth every time. And if that doesn't look
Speaker 2: you take a second. So no, I mean, yeah, it's
Speaker 2: just one of those things. You don't. I don't feel
Speaker 2: any older just I look it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, we'll tell you what. I've had a lot
Speaker 1: of fun tonight too. This has been a great discussion
Speaker 1: and a lot of great information too. And I really
Speaker 1: like your standpoint in view on a lot of things
Speaker 1: here that we discussed tonight. Man, I would love to
Speaker 1: do this again very soon. And a lot of times, Andy,
Speaker 1: we usually when we do open we do a lot
Speaker 1: of open discussions. Okay, We'll have a lot times. We'll
Speaker 1: have several of us on on the panel here and
Speaker 1: we all jump in talk and discuss things. And it's
Speaker 1: awesome when different people, you know, bring different things, and
Speaker 1: it kind of and all gets everybody thinking if it's
Speaker 1: something we never thought about before. Because I always got
Speaker 1: a I always got a notepad right here. I'm always
Speaker 1: jotting stuff down information because it gives me something to
Speaker 1: look into or you know, consider, And uh, I'm all
Speaker 1: about taking notes and writing down information to either share
Speaker 1: it or passing along or looking into it, whatever it
Speaker 1: may be. But so, yeah, it's good stuff. I really
Speaker 1: enjoy you know, I love doing these you know, you know,
Speaker 1: these shows interviews or whatever you want to call them.
Speaker 1: So and it does reach out to a lot of
Speaker 1: people and so and a lot of people will appreciate
Speaker 1: what we get on here to discuss because some of
Speaker 1: what we do. A lot of these other shows don't
Speaker 1: always get into explaining, you know, sharing. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are just sharing stories, you know, which we do
Speaker 1: all that too, which that's Yeah. People get a mixture,
Speaker 1: they get a combination of storytelling and then research, you know,
Speaker 1: a commination of it all in one little glove. Sung.
Speaker 2: I like the stories, but I'm absolutely interested in the
Speaker 2: psychological side of it as well, how we present Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: why we think we're seeing what we think we're seeing,
Speaker 2: or why people think that. And then great at this
Speaker 2: kind of forum is great to discuss.
Speaker 1: That absolutely absolutely so well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, five fifteen am at the moment, Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, you're five hours ahead of us. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's good.
Speaker 2: It's every bit's been worth it. Listen, guys, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for putting me on. And in a couple
Speaker 2: of months, if you're happy to have you back, I'd
Speaker 2: love to do it again.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, most definitely before long. I do want to
Speaker 1: organize another you know, like I said, open discussion podcast. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, we'll have quite a few of us.
Speaker 1: I know, one in particular you I think you really
Speaker 1: like is Baltimore Pudomar Gallon Jr. Yes, yeah, sometimes. Another
Speaker 1: one is Uh she's been on with us once before.
Speaker 1: She's her and her partner. They're also one of our speakers,
Speaker 1: Jen Cruse, she's one of from the She Squatchers, uh
Speaker 1: Big Tricky Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, you got yeah
Speaker 1: She Squatches. You've got Jen Cruse and Jen Drover. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: They'll be attending this year's event as well. And uh
Speaker 1: they actually they have a big radio show, uh, The
Speaker 1: Journey Radio, which is awesome, well put together show. I
Speaker 1: was recently on there. And tell you what, those girls,
Speaker 1: I mean, they're a lot of fun when it comes
Speaker 1: to you know, they're doing their you know shows, and
Speaker 1: they're very informative, a lot you know, you know, they
Speaker 1: with the way they come about things, you know, depends
Speaker 1: on your viewpoint of things. They kind of bring a
Speaker 1: different I don't know what the right way to put this,
Speaker 1: but they bring a different side to the you know,
Speaker 1: a different plate to the table. You know. So it's
Speaker 1: awesome with what they do, the experiences I've heard that
Speaker 1: they had to hear them talk about it, it's awesome. So,
Speaker 1: but there's so much to learn from all other people
Speaker 1: out there, just to hear what they experience and how
Speaker 1: they view things.
Speaker 2: That's my whole view in it. That's my time philosophy
Speaker 2: under the whole thing. I can't possibly know everything or
Speaker 2: even part of it. So let's find out what people.
Speaker 1: Know absolutely, And anybody that's listening that has not been
Speaker 1: on here before, if you want to get on here
Speaker 1: and speak your mind, share and discuss with us, contact me,
Speaker 1: contact Zach, let us know and we'll let we'll arrange it.
Speaker 1: We'll get you guys on here. I mean, so a
Speaker 1: lot of people that interact with us on the live chat,
Speaker 1: you know, we invite you guys on here because a
Speaker 1: lot of them, you know, they a lot of people
Speaker 1: have a lot of great questions. Man, you know, and
Speaker 1: also I have a lot of opinions and beliefs and views.
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you want to get it on here,
Speaker 1: don't be don't be ashamed, don't be scared. You can
Speaker 1: hide your face like I do have the time.
Speaker 3: You got to, you'll break your camera.
Speaker 1: Oh well, right now they call me sasquatches, you know,
Speaker 1: because all this face so ill.
Speaker 2: That's my dream being, that's the goal. That's the gold.
Speaker 1: Like Duck Dynasty if you're familiar with that show from
Speaker 1: the US here.
Speaker 2: Or not.
Speaker 1: So this is.
Speaker 2: Huh because this is my maximum. That's as fun as
Speaker 2: it comes. It doesn't go any further than that. Just
Speaker 2: that's the whole thing. That's my mocustin.
Speaker 1: You can always get a fake beard. I could be
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: I could be it up, but you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm just leaving it. I don't have to shave that often.
Speaker 2: That's the plus that.
Speaker 1: Is that is a good thing, man.
Speaker 2: The plus my buddy hates that. Listen, you guys, I'm
Speaker 2: going to say goodbye to it. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: and good luck with the conference if we don't speak before,
Speaker 2: but pull me in on that discussion because I'd love
Speaker 2: to do it. Anytime, just let me know even.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh come on all right, it sounds good
Speaker 1: most definitely, and thank you again for coming on tonight.
Speaker 1: This is awesome. Okay, happy to everybody, Absolutely the same
Speaker 1: to you. Thank you,