WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:01.720 Jump back home. 2 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:04.960 Well, yeah, I'll just I'll just hang around until you 3 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:05.879 get back to me. 4 00:00:06.519 --> 00:00:09.720 All right, awesome, Well we are now officially live. It's 5 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:17.839 actually ten oh three pm Eastern Standard time actually right now. 6 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:21.039 First of all, let me welcoming you onto the show, 7 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:25.239 mister Andy Graff. You know, this is actually the first 8 00:00:25.239 --> 00:00:28.679 time we've done this year on live Google Google hangouts 9 00:00:28.719 --> 00:00:32.960 here on YouTube. Last time we actually had we were 10 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.079 on this. We were on the radio, squatching the radio. 11 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.439 That's why there was a number to remember. I called 12 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:42.479 it for my Skype can. 13 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:43.960 Okay, that's the. 14 00:00:44.159 --> 00:00:48.399 Best way to do it. It's amazing. I'll put twenty 15 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:52.280 pounds on after our conversation, I had eighteen left. You know, 16 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:56.520 Skype is awesome like that. Yeah, there's a while back. 17 00:00:56.640 --> 00:00:58.479 I remember, oh, for a year, at least a year. 18 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:02.119 And a half. Yeah, you know the radio show. I'll 19 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:03.759 tell you the radio show. A lot of us have 20 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:05.280 fun doing that because you know, we could get like 21 00:01:05.879 --> 00:01:09.040 several people in there into a group discussion and it 22 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:13.319 normally works out real Well. You know, I've learned that, 23 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.000 you know a lot of people missed doing the YouTube thing. 24 00:01:16.079 --> 00:01:18.159 And you know, in the in the YouTube shows like 25 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.480 this yere. Actually you'll be surprised the viewers. I guess. 26 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.120 A lot of times, you know, just from a few 27 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:28.480 shares I share, we end up getting usually a pretty 28 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:31.239 good turnout. And we've haven't you know, it's been a 29 00:01:31.879 --> 00:01:33.319 I want to say, it's been a few weeks since 30 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:35.560 our last you know, uh oh, maybe a couple of 31 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:38.239 weeks and uh we you know, we pretty much had 32 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:43.200 an open discussion podcasts and it covered a lot of topics, 33 00:01:43.200 --> 00:01:45.480 a lot of subjects, and you know, well usually a 34 00:01:45.519 --> 00:01:48.319 lot of times what we do we share opinions, uh 35 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.159 or you know, or anything from our observation, you know, 36 00:01:52.879 --> 00:01:55.560 on our beliefs, and you know, and then and they 37 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.359 kind of we take it and kind of go with it, 38 00:01:57.400 --> 00:01:59.879 and you know, it kind of it's basically a lot 39 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:03.719 of sharing, you know, because something's you know, when it 40 00:02:03.760 --> 00:02:08.199 comes to the research, somebo some of my my techniques 41 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:11.520 or something I might try might work for me or 42 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:14.080 you know, and it may not work for somebody else, 43 00:02:14.199 --> 00:02:16.599 you know. So there's all these different things we share 44 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:17.439 amongst each other. 45 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.719 And I wonder if that changes from area to area 46 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:24.879 as well, you know, with the hampituations, if the creatures, 47 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:28.520 it might be intelligent and quite individualistic as what works 48 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:33.439 one doesn't work with another, cozees or anything. 49 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:36.639 That's another thing. Yeah, you know, we do a lot 50 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.199 of comparison because you know, comparison because of the ecology, 51 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.479 the you know, the setting, you know, just the environment 52 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:47.400 and a whole you know, time of year, you know, weather, 53 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.520 all down to every little thing. You know, there's always 54 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.800 something when we compare all these different things based off 55 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.759 activity or findings, you know, you know, when you know 56 00:02:58.639 --> 00:03:02.520 the activity usually stood stairs like it's very active around 57 00:03:03.319 --> 00:03:06.960 you know, a certain time year in my area. And 58 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:10.120 I noticed there's been similarities with others that there's been 59 00:03:10.159 --> 00:03:15.360 you know, very you know different you know, I don't 60 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:16.680 know what you want to call it. Yeah, there's there's 61 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.919 different in some areas, but in a lot of areas, 62 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:20.639 a lot of what we share, a lot of us 63 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:26.319 share a lot of simil somewhere you know, habit, you know, findings. 64 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:30.000 That's that's interesting to me as well, Daniel, because we 65 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:34.080 were all chatting in the British Big groups recently about 66 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:39.199 the quiet months over the winter, right, somebody mentioned was 67 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:43.439 it's actually the larger forests seem to get more activity 68 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:48.000 in the winter and the smaller habituation areas that people 69 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:52.120 think of habituation areas go quiet. And what to me 70 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:55.039 mentioned was, Okay, we see them less at that time, 71 00:03:55.199 --> 00:04:00.759 possibly because they've moved up into certain areas for the winter, 72 00:04:01.479 --> 00:04:05.120 and also because we're out less in the winter, right, 73 00:04:05.360 --> 00:04:10.680 But all of the smaller areas tend to go quiet, 74 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:13.120 which led a lot of people to think that there 75 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:16.720 was some hibernation or that they were just disappearing somehow. 76 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:22.600 And since then people say, no, actually the bigger forests 77 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.920 are getting more activity at that time or keeping activity 78 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:29.759 in fact, whether smaller areas are going quiet. So we're 79 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:34.160 thinking that maybe perhaps they move to the larger areas 80 00:04:34.160 --> 00:04:36.040 where they could be more food or where they could 81 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.519 exist together with more cooperation. You know, nobody knows the 82 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:45.000 details of that kind of thing, but yeah, you're mentioning that, 83 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:48.040 you know, the different times of year and at the 84 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:51.040 different times of activity. I just wondered if there's a 85 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:54.399 quiet time over there for you as well, and a 86 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.319 time where it gets busy for activity. 87 00:04:57.040 --> 00:04:59.360 Well as far as what you were talking about large areas, 88 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.959 that's h Actually to me that would make sense that 89 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:07.360 that would have more activity. Well, I think in this year. 90 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:11.160 First of all, the key word to me would be large. 91 00:05:12.759 --> 00:05:15.160 If you got in my opinion, I believe if you 92 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:18.399 have a large, vast area that gives more room for 93 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.920 them to spread out, it's maybe easier them to stay 94 00:05:22.879 --> 00:05:26.560 or remain elusive and more protected as well. Like a 95 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:29.560 smaller area, if you have too much more of a 96 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:34.399 crowd in there, then you know, then well then there 97 00:05:34.399 --> 00:05:36.759 would be more of a challenge or more of a 98 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:42.199 struggle for you know, survival based off of sources and everything. 99 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.480 Being in a large, more abundant area. I guess there's 100 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:46.759 a lot of ways we can look at that in 101 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:53.240 a positive way where that would be more yeah, you know, 102 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:58.800 more productive speaking. 103 00:06:00.720 --> 00:06:01.240 Makes sense. 104 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:03.759 But yeah, like you were saying, as far as yeah, 105 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:07.360 my time here, you know, I know, even though you're 106 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.120 in a different location, we all experience and we all 107 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:16.079 experience the seasons. Well, correct me if I'm wrong. What's 108 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.839 the on the four seasons? You guys experience all the weather, 109 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:20.199 all the different weather over there. 110 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:25.839 Yeah, we have all four seasons, but because we're in Ireland, 111 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:34.399 most of the seasons spring, spring, winter contain rain or 112 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.240 bad weather, so our whether it's not terrible for them 113 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.680 as well. We do get some bad snow occasionally up 114 00:06:40.720 --> 00:06:43.839 on our places, but it's not like you guys would experience. 115 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.279 But you know, being British, of course nothing works once 116 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:51.199 we get any kind of snow at all or weather. Still, 117 00:06:52.240 --> 00:06:54.920 we do get some weather like that, but generally speaking 118 00:06:55.120 --> 00:06:59.279 in the spring some autumn winter is as it should be, 119 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.920 with patches of mixed weather all the way through. So 120 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:05.600 the summer has a lot of rainy days or months, 121 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:07.319 or if you have two days of sun, you definitely 122 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:11.040 get like two days of rain afterwards, because we're surrounded 123 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:14.000 by waters which just picks up the water and dumps 124 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:16.399 it on the island. And depending on which part of 125 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:18.399 the island you're in. I grow up in Wales, it's 126 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:24.000 far very mountains and hilly or the valleys there range 127 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.639 every day in most places, whereas in England where I 128 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:31.279 am now near London, it's quite dry most of the time. 129 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.839 So we you know, we'll find we have those four seasons. 130 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:41.600 What we're thinking about here with our big Foot or 131 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:45.160 whatever they are, is in Britain. Actually, I did a 132 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:50.439 study recently that showed that actually there's a very low urban, 133 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:57.160 sorry very low rural population in England and most of 134 00:07:57.199 --> 00:08:01.319 the land space is actually not taking up at all. 135 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:03.759 Most of the urban population is in the very very 136 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:09.399 small percentage of land and it was something really really 137 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:12.360 tiny Ashuely. There was a study about it in twenty 138 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:17.079 twelve by the UK National Ecosystem and they were surprised 139 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.959 to discover only six point eight percent of the UK's 140 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:23.560 land area could be classified as urban, and that included 141 00:08:23.800 --> 00:08:27.360 rural development and roads. And you know when they broke 142 00:08:27.399 --> 00:08:32.399 the figures down amongst the four primary nations you know, England, Wales, Scotland, 143 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:37.679 Northern Ireland, you know, that picture was even more spar so. 144 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:42.399 What they discovered was the urban landscape only accounts for 145 00:08:42.600 --> 00:08:44.919 ten point six percent of England, which is the most 146 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:48.159 populous nation. I think that's fifty four million people, one 147 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.360 point nine percent of Scotland, which is nothing three points 148 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:54.519 and they've got four million people in Scotland, three point 149 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:56.799 six percent of Northern Ireland. Now that's only one point 150 00:08:56.840 --> 00:08:59.879 five million people, and four point one percent of Whales, 151 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:03.159 which is three and a half million people. So they 152 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:06.279 figured out that ninety three percent of the UK is 153 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:11.399 not urban, fifty four percent of the land in the 154 00:09:11.440 --> 00:09:14.039 towns and cities. There's also green space like parks and 155 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.200 a lot onents in football fields and things like that. 156 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:20.240 And then the gardens they discovered use of a further 157 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:23.360 eighteen percent of urban land, and the waterways and reservoirs 158 00:09:23.360 --> 00:09:26.039 six point six percent. So what they discovered was in 159 00:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.960 England alone, seventy point six percent of the urban areas 160 00:09:29.039 --> 00:09:32.159 are natural as well, which leads just two point two 161 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:35.879 seven percent of england landscape is actually built upon, so 162 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:40.679 ninety percent natural and that to me, and what you'll 163 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:42.559 find in the cities and towns as you're going around, 164 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.120 there's lots of green corridors you call them motorways, with 165 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.639 lots of fields and hills coming in and out, and 166 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:50.080 lots of forested areas coming right up to the cities 167 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.840 and through them. These lovely rivers and railway lines and 168 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:58.159 things are heavily forested. And our theory is when they 169 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.440 do come close to habitations, they use these green corridors 170 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:06.759 to get in out and move around, you know. And 171 00:10:06.799 --> 00:10:09.840 there are stories of them quite close to cities actually, 172 00:10:09.919 --> 00:10:11.879 and towns sometimes in them. 173 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:13.320 Uh. 174 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:14.879 Yeah, it's strange. 175 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:15.039 You know. 176 00:10:15.080 --> 00:10:19.120 We're's covering lots of odd things about the country. We 177 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.639 never even knew ourselves. You know, we all, I live 178 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:27.200 in London, we all think of Britain's being overpopulated, because 179 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:29.679 if you live in London, that's the feeling you'd have. 180 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.480 Well see, that's you know, even though you know the 181 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.679 the United States, you know, we have a lot of forests, 182 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:40.919 you know, and you know where there's we have a 183 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:44.519 lot of elusive animals, even you know, right here in 184 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.399 Virginia where you know, on the east coast, you know 185 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.799 there'll be there's several even the Department of Game and 186 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.480 Indo Fishery, we have a loosive animals here, such as 187 00:10:56.240 --> 00:11:00.679 the mountain lion, cougar, you know, and there's been several 188 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.320 eyewitnesses to the you know, to the you know, the 189 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.360 mountain lion, you know, the cougar. I've seen one two 190 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:09.759 years ago for the first time and it was in 191 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:11.639 my main researcher. It was a black one, you know, 192 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:15.759 black you know, panther, and uh, I couldn't believe what 193 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.919 I was seeing. You know, I wasn't alone. I wasn't 194 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.080 the only one that was there that saw them. But 195 00:11:20.159 --> 00:11:24.080 now I'm just one of hundreds of eyewitnesses just in 196 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.759 the state of Virginia alone, not to mention there's other 197 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.960 surrounding states that they believe that they they're not there either. 198 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:36.320 But but now let's you know, the UK. That's the thing. 199 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:42.759 People are underestimating the possibilities, you know, even even without 200 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:46.120 the eyewitnesses. You know, they're not even you know that. 201 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.399 I guess that's where the closed mind kind of comes in. 202 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:53.679 You know, it's sort of what you perceive to see 203 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:58.240 this country as. And even most of the criticism I 204 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:01.559 get up at these statistics that I released in a 205 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.799 little blog called What's with the Habitude? And it was 206 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:10.200 I got so many, so many trolling sort of messages 207 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.559 of hate. Now you don't know what you're talking about. 208 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:17.320 Britain is over populated, this is all farmland and it 209 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:20.879 was so. And then I proved the statistics more to say, well, 210 00:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.000 actually siddenly persidered, what they call farmland is actually rough 211 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:29.480 grazing in forest. Yeah it's it's not it's not used. 212 00:12:30.440 --> 00:12:33.240 And people are so opposed to the idea because I 213 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.639 think it breaks a conception that they have so in 214 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:39.720 this country, especially in others as well, you have this 215 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:42.519 concept of you know, we can believe in the yetti 216 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.960 and the Himalays, because that's far away. You don't have 217 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:50.200 to imagine it in our own backyard, right, or the 218 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:55.960 Pendic or you know, the Machilean bimbi in the Congo 219 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.159 in a big forest. Because it's far away and deep, 220 00:12:58.279 --> 00:13:01.159 nobody knows much about it, so we can imagine something 221 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.000 in this situation. We're not familiar with brill you know, 222 00:13:05.240 --> 00:13:08.759 the Queen's Country, London and Manchester and all these built 223 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.519 up cities, or the way we perceive them to be 224 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.159 built up. We say, well, you know, this is impossible, 225 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:17.120 and most most of the Americans are actually quite open 226 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.759 to it, but most of the British people say, this 227 00:13:19.799 --> 00:13:22.639 is ridiculous. I'm British and I should know. I've been 228 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:26.279 walking out in the woods. I've been hiking up the hills, right. 229 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:28.600 I didn't see one. And of course you probably get 230 00:13:28.600 --> 00:13:31.240 this too. I did not see one, So how can 231 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:31.840 it exist? 232 00:13:32.120 --> 00:13:32.720 Right? Right? 233 00:13:33.159 --> 00:13:35.960 Because I've been out there, why haven't I seen one? 234 00:13:36.200 --> 00:13:38.600 The same with lock in this monster. You go up 235 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:42.039 to the loch. It's seven hundred and whatever feet deep, 236 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:47.360 allegedly twenty five miles long. It's so dark the water 237 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.720 from the peak fields around the hills. You can't see anything. 238 00:13:49.720 --> 00:13:51.120 Even if you're in a sub in the water, you 239 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.919 still come see anything. And so completely surrounded by forest 240 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.799 and hills. And I went there and stood out on 241 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:01.159 the dock at night, ten o'clock at night in April 242 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:06.519 twenty twelve and thought, I cannot see a single thing. 243 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:12.240 It's black. But there is incredibly uninhabited, surrounded by forest 244 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:16.720 and hills. So if something is here, how would you know? 245 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.000 What if it's nocturnal? What if exactly? 246 00:14:19.039 --> 00:14:19.759 Yeah, a good point. 247 00:14:20.320 --> 00:14:23.159 What if in the forest or the caves in the daytime, 248 00:14:23.159 --> 00:14:26.320 what if their underground caves there are always out to 249 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:30.879 the sea either side, and we just think, well, they've investigated, 250 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:34.240 they've looked. It can't be there because they didn't find it. 251 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:37.799 And I think the big mistake with wild animals, and 252 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.200 especially rare animals, that we make is wild animals want 253 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:42.759 to be around us. I think they want to be 254 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:45.559 seen by us. They don't want to be anywhere near us. 255 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:48.480 And I'd think that definitely counts for the Bigfoot if 256 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:52.120 it's since it seems to be intelligent, there's no reason 257 00:14:52.200 --> 00:14:55.519 why it would willingly in most cases try to put 258 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:57.039 itself in your line of sight. 259 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:01.159 Right right, It's kind of like a me and you. 260 00:15:01.279 --> 00:15:03.480 It's like we know where the bad part of the 261 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:06.000 neighborhood is, you know, or the bad part of town, 262 00:15:06.039 --> 00:15:09.279 and why go there when it can be dangerous? You know. 263 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:12.120 So it's you know, it's same concept with Bigfoot or 264 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.360 any crypti that has any intelligence, their instinct or whatever 265 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:18.759 it may be. Why expose themselves when it could be dangerous? 266 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:22.559 And most of yeah, most wildlife they're very keen in 267 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.480 sense to know what danger is. So you know, yeah, 268 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.639 they're going to keep your distance, and you know it 269 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:30.639 would make sense for them to do that, I mean, 270 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:34.279 in my opinion. And then also, you know you're you're 271 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.000 talking about you know that you're you're getting all this 272 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:42.039 hate mail, the ridicule. You know, I can only imagine 273 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:45.120 what you're going through. Considering a lot of us here 274 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.799 in the United States we get the same thing from 275 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:51.360 non believers, some skeptics, and we're in a much larger, vast, 276 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:55.200 more ear we have more area for all this the rome, 277 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:57.159 you know, and I mean. 278 00:15:57.519 --> 00:16:02.240 Both spaces concerned. You could say there's untouched forests out 279 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:06.440 there that some Americans have ever walked through. There must 280 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:09.679 be in your land. You know areas where because there 281 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.360 was no reason for you to take that path. You know, 282 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:13.919 there's no reason for you. And it's the same in 283 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:16.320 the UK where you go along the railways or you 284 00:16:16.440 --> 00:16:20.600 drive along the motorway. You just vast fields and forests 285 00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:22.559 and hills stretching them forever. And that's just a bit 286 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.639 you can see from the part you're on. There's you know, 287 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:28.759 every couple of miles there's a house or something. You 288 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:32.519 never see anybody standing around or walking around, and you think, 289 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.240 so this stretches out for miles and miles and miles. 290 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:37.559 Nobody said you could probably walk in a straight line 291 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.799 all day and all night without seeing anybody, and yet 292 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:43.519 we still think there's nothing there. You've only got to 293 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.639 put Google Earth onto the country and zoom out. You'll 294 00:16:46.679 --> 00:16:50.639 see the green. You know, it's I think the perception 295 00:16:50.759 --> 00:16:53.120 is that it has to be in big, large forests 296 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.600 and places like that, but I think really the only 297 00:16:56.399 --> 00:17:01.120 major requirement is isolation for the most part of being 298 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:05.319 able to find some cover, and that can take many forms. 299 00:17:06.119 --> 00:17:12.000 As far as food sources go, We've got so much. Yeah, 300 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:15.240 and there's twenty million sheep in the country roaming the hills. 301 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:20.799 Oh Wow. Yeah, what about vegetation, you know, because that's 302 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.319 the question I get last. You know, others can ask that, 303 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.880 you know, like you know, both humans and animals. So 304 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:31.920 you know, is there edible plants you know, all in 305 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:35.279 the wild that you know you could eat or animals 306 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.920 could eat, humans could eat. 307 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.759 Yeah. Yeah, there's lots of plants and berries and roots 308 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.799 and all kinds of things that are available all year 309 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:47.960 around actually, and also there's fruit, you know, frue orchards 310 00:17:47.960 --> 00:17:52.559 and things. We also have a large, large croppable areas 311 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:55.880 in certain parts of the country which could be quite 312 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.319 easily exploited. But it's the you know, it's it's that 313 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:05.319 background for the omnivore, if you like, with their bear 314 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:11.400 like in their feeding habits, all footing everything. There's so 315 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:15.079 many lakes and locks and streams and coastal areas where 316 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.799 there's summuch shellfish and actual fish and you know, crayfish 317 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:21.279 the rest of it. And then you've got the deer, 318 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:26.240 the sheep, millions of wildfowl and birds walking around the place. 319 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.640 And we've got wild born out again as well. I 320 00:18:29.640 --> 00:18:33.039 then we've got about only four or five thousand of those, 321 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:38.200 but they're expanding quickly. And of course we've had the 322 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:41.200 big cats now for the last thirty forty years since 323 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:43.200 they were all let go in the seventies and we 324 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.160 bought our new license in law and the Dangerous Wild 325 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:52.000 Animals Act, and you know, we don't see those too often. 326 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:54.400 We do see them enough to know they're there, like 327 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:59.200 you saw with your cougar, but they managed to stay 328 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.119 out of sight. And there's no way there would be 329 00:19:01.160 --> 00:19:06.160 as intelligent asn't a. But then primarily nocturnal, they stay 330 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:09.319 in areas where their food sources. I actually had a 331 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.880 report from a lady a horse breedo near near here, 332 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:15.519 in a place called Rasper, and we're just on the 333 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:19.319 edge of the rural area here where I live. And 334 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.839 she went to get a hay consignment for her horse. 335 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:24.759 So there's a there's a farm yard somewhere. You just 336 00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:26.920 roll in, you've got a contract, you pick up the hay, 337 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:30.039 and you leave. So this was in the winter. She 338 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.039 drove in help. A slight was dark at her land 339 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:38.519 rover and the light swung full beam, and a friend 340 00:19:38.519 --> 00:19:41.079 in the car with her twenty five feet away. She 341 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:44.839 suddenly sees she's five eight five mine a waist high 342 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.480 panther or whether it's a cougar or a leopard. We 343 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:51.079 don't have probably a leopard being here but black and 344 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.920 that's the most common time we have here black panther 345 00:19:56.279 --> 00:20:02.200 waist high, three foot long for long three foot tail. 346 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:05.920 She saw it close enough that was walking towards them slowly, 347 00:20:06.000 --> 00:20:08.160 by twenty five feet away. She's sort of close enough 348 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.759 to see that it was male and male Genitalian, that 349 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:14.559 it lifted face. Wow, it wasn't afraid of her, just 350 00:20:14.599 --> 00:20:17.599 sauntered up to her slowly and she got you know, 351 00:20:17.680 --> 00:20:21.680 she got in the in the contra away and it 352 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:25.839 wasn't really after I think it just wasn't afraid, right, 353 00:20:25.960 --> 00:20:28.000 And that you know, for the creature like that to 354 00:20:28.039 --> 00:20:30.720 be walking around and now hundreds and hundreds of reports, 355 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:35.359 it has to have been born here right growing. 356 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:38.720 Up to me, that would make sense. You know. It's like, 357 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:43.079 you know, there's a lot of animals that you know, 358 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:45.640 for those who study the animals here in the United States, 359 00:20:47.519 --> 00:20:49.559 and I'm just saying you don't have to be a 360 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.480 wildlife biologist to pick up on this. For this public 361 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.640 information that what was native to some land that would 362 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.000 believed to be extinct through a period of time. People 363 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.240 believe that either they were reintroduced, which there are some 364 00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:06.319 animals that were reintroduced to the area that were once 365 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.880 native now something like the mountain lining the you know, yeah, 366 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.759 there was a you know, there's some public information if 367 00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.559 you do if they if you do enough digging, there 368 00:21:15.640 --> 00:21:18.599 is information out there where you will come across where 369 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:24.119 some of these species were reintroduced. Some are believed to 370 00:21:24.160 --> 00:21:27.599 be uh that may have migrated moved back into the 371 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:33.200 area from other areas, you know, because you know, there's 372 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:36.359 been sightings in West Virginia. Uh, there's you know. And 373 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.359 then just like the wolves, we have red wolves which 374 00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:42.480 believe that we're over a period of time and migrated 375 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:45.160 from up north down and you know into the lands here, 376 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:48.359 which into bred with the coyotes. You got the koy wolves, 377 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.640 you know, and uh, you know, so forth, and real 378 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.480 quick before I go on, before we go on any further, 379 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:59.400 I want to make a quick announcement for those who 380 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:02.559 are watching us uh and listening. If you want to 381 00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:04.400 interact with the live chat, if you have a question 382 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.680 for Andy. If you are on your laptop desktop, the 383 00:22:08.720 --> 00:22:11.640 live chat is on your top right hand corner. If 384 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:15.039 you are on your cell phone watching US and listening. 385 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:19.400 If you scroll directly below down where you are viewing US. 386 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:22.039 Directly below from where you're viewing US, you will find 387 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:26.319 a live chat. Just He'll pop up and uh again, 388 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:28.519 I got the live chat open next to me, so 389 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:33.680 I'm keep my eye on the live chat. And by 390 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:37.000 the way, we do have Zach with us. Zach, I 391 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:39.160 wanted to give you a ee second if you want 392 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:40.559 to jump in to say hello to Andy. 393 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.400 Well, Hello, mister Andy. It's nice to meet you, sir. 394 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.319 Hi Zach, how are you nice to meet you too. 395 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:53.799 I'm just I like, I just sit here on message Daniel. 396 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:56.039 I'm just sitting here. I'm the mercers listening to you 397 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:58.640 talk with as much as you know everything. I'm just 398 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:01.640 I'm just fascinated by how much you know. 399 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.839 Oh, thanks very much. You know I've had well, Daniel 400 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:07.960 gave me my first interview but a year and a 401 00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:11.160 half ago when I was just wanting to write about 402 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:14.880 this phenomenon in Britain. But at the time I didn't 403 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.759 think anybody would be interested, and I was trying to 404 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:20.599 put together a TV show and write a book at 405 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:23.079 the same time, and which is out now. The piece 406 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:28.319 of Britain. It's on Amazon, and Daniel said, hey, why 407 00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:30.240 didn't you come on the show? Sometimes I was like, 408 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.720 oh really, wow, okay, that's amazing and he wants to 409 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:37.160 talk to me, And that was actually Daniel the impetus 410 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.119 for me saying okay, So then I'll contact a bunch 411 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:42.680 of other people and say hey, can I come on 412 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:43.119 your show? 413 00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:44.119 Right? 414 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.000 And I think I've done about fifty now since then. 415 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:49.839 Wow, that's a yeah. 416 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:54.960 Yeah, I've got a bunch coming up and it's expanded actually, 417 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.880 so I'm starting to do some talks now you're in 418 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.400 the UK. I've got the Brittish Crickets talk on the 419 00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:04.720 twenty seventh of May. There's another one called the Spirit 420 00:24:04.799 --> 00:24:07.400 of the Marsh, which is kind of like the May 421 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:11.799 Day festival I'm doing. And the talk is called Tales 422 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:13.799 of the Woodwarves, which is the Woodwarves is the name 423 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:19.480 for the Bigfoot here in Britain, like historically centuries ago, 424 00:24:20.319 --> 00:24:23.000 the Woodwarves that was the wild man of the forest. 425 00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:27.880 He's depicted in all the old churches and tapestries, is 426 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:33.359 this very tall hairy man. And I believe. 427 00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:38.000 I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying I do believe 428 00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.880 I know what you're talking about. Yeah, is it the 429 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.400 one that has like it looks like maybe they have 430 00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:45.720 like like leafs around the face. 431 00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:47.640 That's the green man, the. 432 00:24:47.519 --> 00:24:49.079 Green man, that's I always get. 433 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:52.519 Yeah, it went similar. I think it's the same thing personally, 434 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:57.079 But they're wrapped up in mythology of like these forest spirits. 435 00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:01.440 But whenever you see the depiction, and these are centuries 436 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:05.480 old depictions carves and churches and woven into the tapestries, 437 00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:07.839 and the royal families in Europe used to use them 438 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:13.640 as part of their uh as part of their insignias 439 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:17.759 on their flanks and their heraldry. They call it that 440 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.920 they are, you know, a man's face. But you have 441 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.440 to remember that this is a description that somebody's given 442 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:27.720 for somebody to carve or draw, and yet of giant size, 443 00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:30.839 you know, at least head and shoulders above are the 444 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:35.839 men that they're facing these types of combat and and 445 00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:41.119 different sort of interactions with people throughout our history. Now 446 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:46.400 you have to wonder if Bigfoot is a Monday pop 447 00:25:46.440 --> 00:25:52.400 culture phenomenon that just starts to affect Britain. Now, where 448 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.680 do these guys come from? Where does that depiction that 449 00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:59.559 completely matches. This come from, of course the NASAs. They 450 00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.880 don't want admit that. That's just dor mythology and coincidence, right, 451 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.799 just like dragon depictions occasionally looking like terrosols and things 452 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:13.440 like that. Must be a mistake, right, maybe they sold fossils. 453 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:19.079 I love all that stuff. Yeah, but there it is, 454 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.880 So started the book, did that. Still trying to put 455 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.240 this TV series together that were going to record a 456 00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:30.400 pilot in Lake Windermere, which is the home of a 457 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:34.079 NeSSI like creature called Bonssi. It's been seeing a bunch 458 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:37.599 of times and in twenty fourteen the last photo of it. 459 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.319 It was an amazing photo captured by a lady called 460 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.000 Ellie Williams, and she worked for a magazine called Autographer, 461 00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:47.400 and she set up a new camera like a kind 462 00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:50.759 of the game cam, and to go once a minute 463 00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.160 throughout the day. It was to record the changing seasons 464 00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:57.119 of the day. The magazine's all about photography. And she 465 00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.920 got it back after the day and she looked at 466 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.200 images and in the distance she can see something swan 467 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.759 like and as he's meant, there's a big hump but 468 00:27:07.880 --> 00:27:11.079 a big arch crane neck, you know, and foggy like 469 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.440 swimming about in the morning. There's nobody in the foreground 470 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:16.920 or the background. Nobody can figure out how she faked it, 471 00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:19.960 if she faked it. And there's never been anything since 472 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.400 to say, yes, you know, it was a ruse, it 473 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.039 was a promotion, nothing. It just still stands out of course, 474 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.279 it's unacceptable to people. Any evidence is always unacceptable, isn't it, 475 00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.960 because what have you got to sell? I did a 476 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.680 little blog on Todd recently, on his discovering Bigfoot. I 477 00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:43.279 had a friend of mine, she's a CGI expert. Well, 478 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:45.599 she's a professional. She's worked in Hollywood on things like 479 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:50.920 Noah and The Hobbit, and and she did an assessment 480 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.720 of Todd's footage. And what I asked her was, look, 481 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:57.799 you don't care about bigfoot or only there's a genre 482 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:00.880 at all. You know, he gets a lot of hassle 483 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:05.839 about his footage, and it's really passionate, it's really emotional. 484 00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:09.160 Either you believe him and you hate everybody who doesn't, 485 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.359 or you don't believe him you hate everybody who does right. 486 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.079 And that's where it kind of falls for most people 487 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.319 anyway in the community. So can you just review it 488 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:22.079 and tell me if you could fake this with your experience, 489 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.200 and she reviewed it and she said, yeah, I could 490 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.319 do that. You know, you could do this with simple 491 00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.119 layering and costumes, she said, But what I have to 492 00:28:31.160 --> 00:28:34.680 point out is the work is a very high quality. 493 00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.279 And my point on that was the rest of his 494 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.880 documentary isn't of high quality at all. Right, it doesn't 495 00:28:42.880 --> 00:28:46.720 matter the high quality of his Sasquatch. The production of 496 00:28:46.759 --> 00:28:50.319 the documentary doesn't. No, it's a bit. I mean, it's 497 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:53.759 not bad, it's just there seems to me to be 498 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.759 like a difference in quality. And there was two series. 499 00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.920 One was when he created those Sasquatch ten years ago, 500 00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:03.359 already filmed them. If he created them, the people working 501 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:09.440 for him then aren't with him now because of course 502 00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:11.599 the devil Squatch or the devil face you see at 503 00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:14.880 the end, that's of a much lower quality than everything 504 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:17.599 else because it's just a black face, you know, between 505 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.720 some logs, So could be anybody, anybody anyway. 506 00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:26.400 There's so many different faces. Yeah, yeah, so many. I'm 507 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:30.319 sorry to interrupt. There's so many different faces, like you said, 508 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.799 descript decrypted of you know what you know, what people 509 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:39.880 see more what Hollywood believes or things he could be 510 00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.599 if he would for those who you know, don't believe that, 511 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:44.400 think he were If he was, really he could look 512 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.880 like that. Of course, there's so many horror flicks out there, 513 00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:51.400 you know, people have all these images out there, you know. So, 514 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.480 but then you know, if you if you solely go 515 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:59.119 based off of eyewitness description, you know, then you might 516 00:29:59.160 --> 00:30:03.440 have a different picture, you know, which you know, I'm 517 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.200 sure you're well familiar with the Roger Patterson and Bob 518 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:11.240 Gamble footage having a California in nineteen sixty seven. Well, 519 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:12.960 you know, I guess a lot of people think, well, 520 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.079 that's what Bigfoot must look like, you know. You know, 521 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.599 it's like, well, we're me and you. We're different, you know. 522 00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:22.640 You know, we're in different areas of different regions. And 523 00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:25.519 it's here on the you know, the United States. You 524 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:27.599 got East coast, West Coast. You know, people on the 525 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:30.839 West Coast, you know who grew up there, and you know, 526 00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:33.880 you got different types of people out there. You got 527 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.160 the beach bump people, you know, that's like that in Florida, 528 00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.039 you got the people from the hills and the mountains. 529 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:46.680 They look like me, you know, I mean, so, I mean, yeah, 530 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.200 you know, you've got all these different faces you know, so. 531 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.200 That to me makes sense, right, to me makes sense. 532 00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:54.799 And plus he says that he's filmed all three of 533 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:58.480 the main faces that you see in different areas, you know, 534 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.799 on in these different areas. They're saying, we're both human beings. 535 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.559 We're both you could say we're both Caucasians, but we 536 00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:08.920 are really different, right. Chimpanzees all look different to each other, 537 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.839 and so the gorillas, well, chimpanzee is muscle. But that's 538 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.640 that's just a you know, a sign that well, his 539 00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:20.680 film could be real. I always used to think it 540 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:24.839 was real. It's really only his presentation that may be doubted. 541 00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:29.440 But then I think if you've been accused of being 542 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.880 alive for so long, you're going to have that kind 543 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:36.440 of air of protesting your innocence, which makes it hard 544 00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.440 for people to trust you, doesn't it, Because you're always 545 00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.359 standing on your dignity trying to profess you that you're 546 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.000 innocent before you're even accused, because that's what's been happening 547 00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:48.599 every single time. So that and then that can if 548 00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.079 you come in at the back of that, you know, 549 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.119 when some of these already spent ten years been accused 550 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.519 and now he's telling you something is real. You're going 551 00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.920 to think something's off of the guy because it is. 552 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.519 He's been a keyse to something for ten years. So 553 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:06.599 I'm still really on defensivebut it I did not that 554 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.640 it's my any expert on that at all, but I 555 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.640 thought her opinion was important because she's not involved in it. 556 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.440 And significantly she said, yes, it could be faked. It 557 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.720 could be. It could be done. That's what she said, 558 00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.119 it could be done. Not that his footage was fake, 559 00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.319 but if it is fake, and she didn't say it was, 560 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:27.200 it's a high quality production. 561 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.359 Wow. And that's pretty good. 562 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.400 Yeah, that's a good endorsement. 563 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:37.400 Yeah, I would agree with. And we have a question 564 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:41.279 in the live chat for you. Oh yeah. The question is, 565 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:47.039 and Andrew, do you think the UK hides facts on UFO, 566 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:51.680 Bigfoot or etc. Like the USA does? And what's your 567 00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:56.440 thoughts on why a lot of governments hide facts. 568 00:32:56.920 --> 00:33:00.960 I think that the UK may in fact have hidden 569 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.880 UFO sightings. I mean I think they did a Ministry 570 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.720 of Defense release a year last year or the year before, 571 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:10.200 but there were actual UFO reports in there. 572 00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:11.279 Oh wow. 573 00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:13.759 As far as I'm aware, I haven't. I don't have 574 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:18.160 the details. And that Bigfoot I don't think so. And 575 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:23.200 the reason I don't think so is that as opposed 576 00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:25.960 to the United States, this is a very rare animal 577 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.680 here if it is here. On the British Bigfoot Map 578 00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:32.680 for the British Debra Hatswel and many people in the 579 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.839 British Bigfoot Research team have put together there's about four 580 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.880 hundred and sixty four hundred seventy sightings spanning around about 581 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:42.960 forty years, many modern ones, even very recent ones up 582 00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:49.160 until you know, last months and months before. But that's rare. 583 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:52.480 We've got sixty five million people, that's about forty years. 584 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.880 We've got four hundred and sixty sightings, most of which 585 00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:04.000 are either road crossings or you know, very unexpected forest. Right, 586 00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:06.960 it's one person and one person usually you know, one 587 00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:09.559 person and the sasquatch I mean or bigfoot. 588 00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.760 Yeah, that's not pretty accurate pretty much how it happens here, 589 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:15.039 you know. 590 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.679 Yeah, the same thing the boat sighting is. It's a 591 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.360 very it's so similar in fact or the occasional curious sighting. 592 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:25.960 So there's one. I did an investigation recently in box 593 00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:29.480 Hill in Surrey, and this is a National Trust area, 594 00:34:29.559 --> 00:34:33.000 so it's a preserved area. It's lots of rolling hills 595 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:35.280 and fields, and there's a big hill that's the elevation 596 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:39.280 of about four hundred feet, and there's these things called 597 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.039 the steps that people walk down and up, and they're 598 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.079 incredibly steep. They go all the way down. They're earthen steps, 599 00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.920 you know, hemmed in with wood. And at the side 600 00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.880 of the steps it's very deep forest. And in twenty twelve, 601 00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.400 a jogger was jogging in the summer and evening. Then 602 00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:01.000 she rested on these steps and at nine thirty but 603 00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:04.840 still light at that time, and she heard she had 604 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.880 heard some wood knocks before, but she didn't know what 605 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:10.440 that was, what it meant. And then she heard some 606 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.719 footsteps coming up behind her, and thinking it was a 607 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.800 dog walker, she just moved aside and nobody passed, so 608 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:21.440 she turned around and saw six foot plus muscly biped 609 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:26.119 lape man sort of brown and grayfird domed head, a 610 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:32.519 wide jaw, incredibly muscular, just watching her from about ten 611 00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:36.679 meters away, and stayed there for thirty forty seconds and 612 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:42.239 turned around and walked away with this regular looking over 613 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:47.639 the shoulder, yeah where she was, And as it moved away, 614 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:52.000 she reported smelling a stale farm animal type of smell, 615 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.280 which is like this bigfoot smell. So we've talked a 616 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.239 lot here about is this a defensive strategy this smell 617 00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.599 because you don't always smellet but sometimes you do, right, Yeah, 618 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.599 And we've got two incidents like that where the smell 619 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:13.719 has been smelled, smelled right after it's been spotted. There 620 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:16.639 was another one called the five Roads eight Man in Scotland. 621 00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.599 So what happened with this particular incident? And a guy 622 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.880 was driving him to the five Roads roundabout and I 623 00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:31.000 think that's in our carlt airshow. I can't remember actually, 624 00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:35.559 but somewhere in the Highlands and it's it's dark and 625 00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:37.920 as he came up to the roundabout he said that 626 00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.599 a seven foot tall or around u tan walking on two. 627 00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:43.800 Legs the road in front of. 628 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.920 Him there was there was ice shiner as it turned 629 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.440 and looked at him as he crossed, and then walked 630 00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:54.920 off into some forest facing on the other side of 631 00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.000 the road. I don't know if you have roundabouts there, 632 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:01.559 what do you call them? The little circular road feature 633 00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.559 that you have to go. 634 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.000 Around you a roundabout? 635 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:12.360 Yeah, around about? Yeah, if you come to a junction, 636 00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.280 there's normally a circular island here. 637 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:19.599 Oh okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, what is that? Yeah? 638 00:37:20.639 --> 00:37:23.239 Intersection or intersection? Do you have it? 639 00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:24.559 You have the round circle? 640 00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:27.760 Uh? Not the I know, I know exactly what you're 641 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.239 talking about. There's actually a D Washington cul sack. 642 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.760 You know, it's more like a feature in the middle 643 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:36.440 of the road which different roads intersect one too, and 644 00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:38.239 then they go around around. 645 00:37:38.480 --> 00:37:43.400 There's an island with Wilver No, I know, yeah, I 646 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.599 know what he's talking about. I've seen one. Yeah, I 647 00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.480 can't remember where I was at when I had actually 648 00:37:48.559 --> 00:37:52.519 headed up the Ohio actually had one Washington D. 649 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:59.159 Yeah, it's not exactly the same thing. It's basically there's 650 00:37:59.199 --> 00:38:02.280 normally four by the exits from the round from one, 651 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:05.400 there's a circular island in the middle with woodland or 652 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.639 forest on it, and then you drive around and you 653 00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:13.000 find your exit. And in this case, this creature, it 654 00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:14.519 must have been late at night and it was you 655 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:17.079 know who's by himself, the driver. This creature walked off 656 00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:19.719 the roundabout, passed in front of his car as he 657 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.800 slowed down and walked into the forest to the left. Now, 658 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:26.760 he wound down his window and he said he could 659 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:28.840 hear it walk into the forest and what he smelled 660 00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:33.679 was a stale farm animal type of smell. So there's 661 00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:36.800 that smell again. It's interesting. So the question was about 662 00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:39.079 to the government's hide. I don't think they do a 663 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:42.800 big fure because I don't think it's it's it's so rare. 664 00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:43.960 I don't think they really know. 665 00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:51.719 Much about it. Yeah, I guess like in Asia, for example, 666 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.760 you know, the Asian governments actually you know, they speak 667 00:38:54.800 --> 00:38:57.320 about how they welcome people come in and they you know, 668 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.880 they speak about how they believe Asia is a different, 669 00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:03.840 whole different thing all ourself. But you know, it's like, 670 00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.280 you know, a lot of us questioning like, well, Asia 671 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:09.320 is so open about a lot of stuff like that. 672 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:12.320 You know, why can't the United States be like that? 673 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:14.599 You know, as far as when we're talking about government wise, 674 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.400 But a lot of people believe government's hiding something. I mean, 675 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:19.360 they can be. But you know, we have the proof 676 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.119 of that. Although they have cover ups. We all know 677 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.880 that much. But yeah, they have the reasons. But the 678 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:28.440 thing is Bigfoot is bigfoot. You know, if Bigfoot is 679 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.599 a cover up, I mean it can be. For we 680 00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.400 can I can name several reasons why they're doing it. 681 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:37.679 You know, we all I think we all can't really, 682 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.360 But but then again, this, you know, it's more of 683 00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:43.360 a theory, you know, or theory. 684 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:47.360 And that's a great thing about conspiracies from a government perspective. 685 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.840 I was in government, I was trying to hide something. 686 00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.239 I'd released a couple of conspiracies along with it with 687 00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:56.159 a bit of truth because you keep people finding and 688 00:39:56.159 --> 00:39:58.480 on cuting about it, and then I don't really need 689 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:00.840 to do anymore work, just that them find it out 690 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:05.000 with all the ideas that spring from it. Right in 691 00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:07.840 regards to Big one of my main things. If they 692 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.679 are covering up with your country, I think it's because 693 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.599 it's it's a philosophical point of view, because something that 694 00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.079 walks on two legs and looks like an ape should 695 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:20.239 be some kind of missing link, and I don't think 696 00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.360 it is. And I think that they know if they 697 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.480 know about it, they know it's not, and therefore finding 698 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:28.360 it improving it would prove it's no kind of missing 699 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.280 link because I think it's an ape. That's just my opinion. 700 00:40:32.920 --> 00:40:35.519 The other thing is maybe people will go out on 701 00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:37.800 the mask and try to hunt them, and that's one 702 00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.280 of the things they're afraid of. But I'm not sure 703 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:42.559 how much I believe in that theory myself. 704 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.039 Right back to the round about what we were talking about. 705 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:51.760 A good friend of mine on Facebook, I guess he commented, 706 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:57.000 he's Facebook, but he said it's called a rotary circle. 707 00:40:57.679 --> 00:40:58.119 Rotary. 708 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:02.239 Yeah, yeah, he lives here in Virginia and he's actually 709 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:06.320 now that he mentioned it, it's like here in the Richmond, Virginia, 710 00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:09.800 which Richmond is the capital of Virginia. You know, if 711 00:41:09.800 --> 00:41:11.679 it depends on what part of Richmond you go into, 712 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:15.320 it's more around the colonial area we have. We have 713 00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.400 stuff like that. They're down around the monument. 714 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.360 Everywhere you're always struggling to get on and get on. 715 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:25.440 Yeah, some of them. I mean we have small ones 716 00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.639 like yeah, if you go with further north of northern Virginia, 717 00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:32.639 you know, going into where it merged into West Virginia Maryland. Yeah, 718 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.960 we have one that's more like that when the highways 719 00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.719 combined into it. Then you got ones more in the 720 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.480 city where just it's weird. But yeah, they're not a 721 00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:42.199 strange things. 722 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.960 Yeah, yeah, I think I'm just as I gave the example, 723 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.039 I realized that I made an assumption about the same 724 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:54.960 road services being in place in the US. Clearly it's 725 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:56.880 not that common. I was like, wait a minute, round event, 726 00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.320 this is a colloquialism. You need to explain that. 727 00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:04.360 I just wanted to share that since I saw that 728 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:08.920 pop up, remember that myself. 729 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:12.199 Can we have to a round the bed Next time 730 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:14.039 I see it, I'll think it's a rotary. 731 00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:18.519 Okay, yeah, kind of like the old rotary phones you got. 732 00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:27.800 I wanted to turn this over to Zach for a 733 00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:31.360 little bit. Uh. You know, Zach's always got tons of questions. 734 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.079 But real quick, there's a question I want to ask you, 735 00:42:34.079 --> 00:42:37.400 and I probably have asked you in the past, or 736 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.199 if you haven't, you probably got Maybe you have spoken 737 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:45.639 to him Adam Davies, Yes, okay, yeah, I didn't know 738 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.679 if you were familiar with him with have you done 739 00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:50.840 anything with him or no chance? 740 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:55.639 No, I know I do talk a little with Adam 741 00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:58.840 from time to time, but I would like to think 742 00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:03.519 we're friends, but we're friends through friends. So he's been 743 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.679 amazing over the years, over the last few years of 744 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:11.199 providing advice and you know, bits of research, especially when 745 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:13.320 I was doing the book then to give me some 746 00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:16.159 sort of context for what I was doing. He's just 747 00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.039 such a nice guy. Now I know him mainly to 748 00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:25.719 Deborah Hatswell, yeah, Bigot Research group, and we've talked a 749 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.679 few times. And I keep saying, if I get my series, 750 00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:31.760 will you be in it? And of course I will, 751 00:43:33.079 --> 00:43:36.760 but that's assuming I get it. Now I did score. 752 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:40.000 I don't like to talk about things like this because 753 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:43.159 you know what, even if you get a good contact 754 00:43:43.159 --> 00:43:47.119 to pitch your idea, it's not it's not a guarantee 755 00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:50.360 of anything. But there could be something big coming up, 756 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:53.400 That's all I'm saying. And if it doesn't come up, 757 00:43:53.559 --> 00:43:56.360 I didn't say what it was, so there's no no fail. 758 00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.280 But as far as the talks are going, you know, 759 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:03.840 I'm he helped with some advice on that. Other people 760 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.639 helped as well. Introduce me to some people. I'm doing 761 00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:13.679 the International Cryptosology Conference with Lauren Coleman. Yes, yeah, like 762 00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:18.480 for me, he's the godfather of cryptosology, reigning godfather anyway, 763 00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:23.199 he's the existing one. And you know, one of the 764 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.440 experiences that the fact that he said yeah, come, I 765 00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:31.000 was like, oh my god, Okay, that's amazing. How I'm 766 00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:33.760 not going to speak in front of Lauren without stuttering 767 00:44:33.840 --> 00:44:35.079 and spluttering. 768 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:36.760 He's human just like me and you. 769 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.719 He is is you know, it's one of those things. 770 00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.960 If he if he questions one of my series that 771 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.880 I know is right, I'll just have to agree with him. 772 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:51.480 You know, it's Hierarches. You must be right, then I 773 00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:54.800 must have imagined that, because that's that's you and that's me. 774 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.079 I don't think about things that way that often, but 775 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.400 there's a few people they've just done that much work. 776 00:45:02.519 --> 00:45:04.599 I was talking to Carl Sugar as well as the 777 00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:09.239 writer Crypto as you writer doctor Carl Sugar people Critter's 778 00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:14.400 Ology books. He's another guy that's just a message him 779 00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:16.679 and it talks to you. So when I first started, 780 00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:20.000 I started talking to him about the book and the 781 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.119 series that I wanted to do, and I just asked 782 00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.039 him out right, will you be an He said, I 783 00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.599 won't be in it because they said I don't like 784 00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:28.920 to do any TV because I'm not comfortable with it. 785 00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:32.079 But if you need any advice about writing and bits 786 00:45:32.079 --> 00:45:36.760 and pieces, and sure enough, over the last year off, 787 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:40.000 it's just always been really really helpful. In fact, I've 788 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:43.320 gotten an article that's just come out in Crypto Culture 789 00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.639 today which is the last chapter in the book Preparation 790 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:51.840 for Preservation about how can we bring in laws to 791 00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:57.840 protect these unproven animals? In some places like Scimania County 792 00:45:57.880 --> 00:46:01.599 and other places champ for example, there are local laws 793 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:03.920 that protect which is now a lot of people are 794 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:08.159 suing governments, aren't they for recognition? Todds suing Canadian government? 795 00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:12.000 This other bigfoot tall lady was suing the American government recently, 796 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:17.840 wasn't she about recognizing Bigfoot? And I think that kind 797 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.920 of thing is a waste of time. I think protection 798 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:24.320 for the animal is better gained on a local government level, 799 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:29.440 because one they could be tourism involved in making an area, 800 00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:31.760 you know, a big foot protected area or a lake 801 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:35.360 monster protected area. Whether it's say or not, it helps 802 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:39.000 the local economy and ecology, you know, so it helps 803 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.639 the environment and the local people get some tourism from it, 804 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.960 which I think is good. And I just think trying 805 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:50.480 to push big laws like that through government to the courts, 806 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.000 it's a waste of time because they have to prove 807 00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:56.559 things with evidence, and the fact that we're all out here, 808 00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.679 me and you and the other guy is trying to 809 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.039 find something proves that we don't have it yet we 810 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:05.159 don't have enough evidence to prove it, like fully do 811 00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.920 we We've got footprints and hair samples, but we don't 812 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:10.559 have anything that's going to make the scientist jump back 813 00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:15.280 and say, okay, you got it. Yeah, and we do 814 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:17.159 need to find some sort of middle ground with those 815 00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:20.239 guys at some point because eventually we ever want to 816 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.679 get recognition, we've got to play the game. 817 00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:27.440 Right, Yeah, what what you just said? It was actually 818 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:30.559 very well said. It makes a lot of sense. Yeah, 819 00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:34.239 local government, you know, you know, instead of trying to 820 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:39.519 make it why why you know, tourism. You know, when 821 00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:41.400 you said that, it just kind of like a light 822 00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.880 turned on in my head, like, wait a minute, you 823 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.639 know that that makes a lot of sense. 824 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:46.079 Make it? 825 00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:49.639 Well? Right, But yeah, we we want to protect it, 826 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:52.199 you know, But there's other ways I'll go about looking at. 827 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:56.400 This too, you know, definitely, definitely if yeah, find a 828 00:47:56.440 --> 00:48:00.480 way around, because I do think those big cases just 829 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:02.679 a bit sort of self publicity in a way, aren't 830 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:03.760 they sometimes? 831 00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:05.119 Right? Yeah? 832 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:08.760 Oh yeah, they can't win them. 833 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:12.599 So that's pretty good. Now you're really your most recent book, 834 00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:14.760 you said that that is on Amazon. 835 00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:20.239 Yeah, it's on Amazon. So there's there's two visions at 836 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:25.559 the moment. There's the paperback version, okay, and there's so 837 00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:28.320 on Amazon dot com you can find it there. And 838 00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:32.400 there's the kindle version, the digital version. The digital vision 839 00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.880 is very very cheap. The paperback version seems to be 840 00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.000 quite expensive the moment. I'm trying to get the costs down. 841 00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:41.920 So I'm going to try to move the parameters over 842 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.360 the next week and see if I can just drop 843 00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:45.880 it a bit more at the moment, because it seems 844 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:53.280 to be expensive in for me, expensive because in the UK, 845 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:57.079 in the UK parents it's may see, it's it's nineteen 846 00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:58.719 ninety nine, but I think in. 847 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:00.920 What's the what's your book? 848 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.280 It's called Beasts of Britain. 849 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:07.480 Oh, Beat to the Britain, all right, it's Britain. 850 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:11.840 Yeah, and it's part of a series actually, So I'm 851 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:16.239 writing two other other books at the moment as I'm 852 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.360 paying this way like an idiot, and so yeah, So 853 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.440 it's twenty nine dollars and eighteen cents on Amazon dot Com, 854 00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.280 which is a lot of money. So I'm going to 855 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.000 try and get that cost down in the next week 856 00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:31.159 or so. But it's two dollars and seventy eight cents 857 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.519 on the kindle on the digital version, So if you've 858 00:49:35.559 --> 00:49:37.719 got Prime, you know, you can read it for free. 859 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:40.000 So that's and that's part of that. So I do 860 00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.360 would like people to buy it, but maybe wait a 861 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:44.639 week because it should be cheaper after that point. 862 00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:50.079 All right, yeah, all right, here it goes. I just 863 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:55.239 got it. I just pulled it up. Yeah all right, 864 00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:57.920 yeah yeah, because I see it listed right here for 865 00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:58.920 twenty dollars. 866 00:49:59.400 --> 00:50:02.320 Yeah, yeah, So I want to I want to get 867 00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:03.840 that down a lot. I think it's to do with 868 00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:06.960 the parameters on color printing and the photos and all 869 00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.480 the kinds of things that were in there. So to 870 00:50:09.599 --> 00:50:12.880 just change a few parameters and maybe that will bring 871 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.639 it down to a reasonable price, the price I'd be 872 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:16.840 willing to pay myself. 873 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:56.199 Ka ka kay yeah, h m hm h m hm. 874 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:15.760 Hm. Oh Hello. 875 00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:35.679 Hello, yeah, h you got still on there. 876 00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:36.679 I can't hear now of you. 877 00:51:37.400 --> 00:51:43.000 Oh, I can hear you now, Sach. I can't here, Daniel, I. 878 00:51:43.039 --> 00:51:43.920 Can't hear Daniel. 879 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:45.400 No, he's gone. 880 00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:51.119 Well he said he was going to turn it over 881 00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:55.719 to me. So if you're if you're still listening, I'm 882 00:51:55.760 --> 00:51:57.079 gonna take over for a little bit. 883 00:51:57.239 --> 00:51:59.519 Whenever you, uh, get back on here. 884 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.800 Since it's live anyway, I'm happy let this do your pig. 885 00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:11.119 But but let me let me introduce myself first, mister Ay, 886 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:15.480 my name is Zach Stark from a little town in 887 00:52:15.960 --> 00:52:19.880 Illinois here in the United States called crab Orchard. I'm 888 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:23.920 a lifelong fan of anything and anything unknown. 889 00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:24.599 Uh. 890 00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.440 I've been in a cryptus zoology now for thirteen years, 891 00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:32.239 studying all sorts of cryptids from not only here in 892 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:35.800 Illinois and in the United States, but from around the world. 893 00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:41.280 And there's a lot of questions that I have, especially 894 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:45.000 about cryptids over there in the UK, aside from what 895 00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:48.360 I read about you guys have what and this one 896 00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:51.559 of these books I call it about the like the 897 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:53.000 Beast of Dartmoor. 898 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:58.440 Oh yes, to the cats uh old chuck uh huh. 899 00:52:58.960 --> 00:52:59.159 Yeah. 900 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:03.239 Those are the two that has really struck a nerve 901 00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:07.239 with me and everything. And I've always been very very interested. 902 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.719 And then what can you tell us about those? 903 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.440 Okay? And the Beast of Dartmoor is primarily talking about 904 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:19.519 a big cat, a big black cat. So there's a 905 00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.440 lot of big cat sight into the u K hundreds actually, 906 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:26.519 and over the last the years it ranged into the thousands. 907 00:53:28.039 --> 00:53:30.400 So we had something called the Dangerous Wild Animals Act 908 00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:34.000 that was brought in seventy six or seventy seven, I think, 909 00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.079 because a lot of people in the countryside were keeping 910 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.039 these big cats and other exotic wild animals without proper precautions, 911 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:44.639 and you know, there were incidents happening. So they've brought 912 00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:48.400 in this expensive licensing law and a lot of people 913 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:51.719 just let them go. So I know, personally, I know 914 00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.960 four witnesses who've seen them over the years and right 915 00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.599 up to the modern day in Dartmore, which was one 916 00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:03.519 of the famous places it was seen, and also even 917 00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.079 in this area that I'm in, and all around right 918 00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:10.960 up to Scotland, there are sightings of what can only 919 00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:16.199 be described as black panthers or sort of tawny colored humors. 920 00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:18.679 Now I know there's no such things as black panther, 921 00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:21.960 but they tend to be more towards the melanistic leopard 922 00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:27.360 kind of identity. These black cats are the scene which 923 00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.480 are you know, regularly described and that in the same way. 924 00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.880 But all the witnesses usually people have no no interest 925 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.880 in seeing them or you know, never expected to see 926 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:45.719 anything like that before that. The black shook is that's 927 00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.599 more of a supernatural thing most people think, which is 928 00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:55.039 normally a giant black dog that's seen and manifests and 929 00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:01.239 that kind of an apparition kind of form. So just 930 00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:03.239 to give you an example of what which would be 931 00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:06.880 the Billingham black dog. Now that's an area in County 932 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:10.559 Durham in the north of England. Billingham. Now two teenagers 933 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.320 they claim to see the black shock on several occasions 934 00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.280 that they described as being like a huge shadow of 935 00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.440 a black dog with red glowing eyes and they've seen 936 00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:26.000 it several times. Its shadowing them in the forest line 937 00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:32.559 as they're water were walking around, you know, which is 938 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:37.280 quite strange. There was also a black shock seen in Kimberly, 939 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:41.480 Nottinghamshire in twenty twelve. That's quite a recent one. September 940 00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:45.280 twenty twelve and two witnesses saw what they described as 941 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.159 a black shock when they were pushing their bikes to 942 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:50.599 a field and poors had taken the view looking back 943 00:55:50.639 --> 00:55:54.360 the way they come, they saw a horse sized black 944 00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.719 dog along the hedge at the top of the hell 945 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:01.679 before vanishing. Now it doesn't really describe it whether the 946 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.079 vanishing is like a disappearing in front of them or 947 00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:08.360 whether it disappeared out of sight. So I don't really 948 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:13.000 know what that one is. And then there's another one 949 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.559 I've got here June twenty fifteen, so that's an even 950 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.320 more recent one where witness saw a creature in all 951 00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:21.920 fours run in front of his car Independerford area of 952 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:26.079 a place called Wolverhampton's near Birmingham, and he said the 953 00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:31.159 creature resembled the wolf, added Harry Potter, he's a tough 954 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.639 wild but he can't deny what he saw in his 955 00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.519 own eyes. So it seems to be we do have 956 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:38.760 some dog men or whale wolves. 957 00:56:40.280 --> 00:56:40.599 We see. 958 00:56:40.719 --> 00:56:42.840 I say wheale wolf, but I think dog man is 959 00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.880 like the rebranding of the wheel wolf, isn't it sure 960 00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.360 make it less emparenting, less supernatural. We have some weather 961 00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:53.719 sightings that are more bipedal wolf like here too, as 962 00:56:53.719 --> 00:56:56.800 well as the Bigfoot, and they similarly to the United States, 963 00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.159 they are the percentage compare the big Foot a lot like. Yes, 964 00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.000 I could give you one or two of those if 965 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:04.239 you like. 966 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:10.639 Actually good, Yeah, that's pretty cool. That's interesting. I personally 967 00:57:11.599 --> 00:57:13.400 a lot of people ask me about my take on 968 00:57:13.639 --> 00:57:16.679 the dog man, you know, and the thing is that. 969 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:20.239 I mean, I you know, when I do get asked 970 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:25.280 my personal opinion about it, and you know, my response is, well, 971 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:28.199 there's a part of me that wants to believe it, 972 00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:30.320 but you know, I'm going to remain on the you know, 973 00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.639 I can't believe it, but I'm not going to dismiss 974 00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:33.960 it and I'm not going to ride it to the 975 00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:37.639 mood for it. But you know, I guess you know, 976 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.480 where do you could stand on that? If you don't 977 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.559 want me asking for me? 978 00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:47.639 It's something I'm uncomfortable with. But psychologically I realized my 979 00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:52.519 discomfort with the dogman's theory of sightings is similar to 980 00:57:52.599 --> 00:57:55.480 a non belief. It's discomfort with the big focieties. So 981 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:57.559 you know, one man's big voice and then the man's 982 00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:58.000 dog man. 983 00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:00.880 There you go. Yeah, so. 984 00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:04.639 I realize what I'm saying. I'm asking people to believe 985 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:06.360 there's a big foot in Britain, but if they tell 986 00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:10.280 me this's dog man really. There was a very popular 987 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:15.320 sighting here popularly known Sighting in Hull in twenty sixteen. 988 00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:18.199 The whole is in the North of England for North 989 00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.440 of England, and I always joke that it's a kind 990 00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.400 of place that's where were our expression. I've been to 991 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:24.079 hulland back. 992 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:27.480 That's pretty cool. 993 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.159 And you really will occasionally feel that way if you've 994 00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:35.079 been there. Allegedly, I've never been there, so what happened 995 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:41.400 there in this whole sighting was I was very descriptive. 996 00:58:42.039 --> 00:58:45.960 So several sightings for different people over too through week period. 997 00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:48.760 So it's in East Yorkshire, this place actually in England. 998 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:50.800 So the first sighting was made up by a local 999 00:58:50.840 --> 00:58:53.039 woman who described it as running on two legs and 1000 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.559 then on all fours, resembling a human and a wolf, 1001 00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.960 so I'm getting what she means bipedal nater. A couple 1002 00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.639 said they saw something tall and hairy eating a dog 1003 00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:08.119 next to a drainage channel which runs through the countryside. 1004 00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:10.559 They claimed that the creature jumped over an eight foot 1005 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:12.599 high fence with the dead dog in its mouth. 1006 00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:13.679 Wow. 1007 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.239 Yeah. And another woman was walking her dog which she's 1008 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.800 spotted something half dog and half human and it says 1009 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:22.880 she I think she said her dog refused to go 1010 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:25.039 any further on the path they were walking down, which 1011 00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:28.039 you can't really blame it. It's got some sense, I think, yeah, 1012 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.239 they're not. And there's a like a final one year. 1013 00:59:33.480 --> 00:59:36.000 It was seen by a vet and she was driving 1014 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:39.480 through the east riding village of Househip, which is in 1015 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:42.079 the same area. She saw a creature in all fours 1016 00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:45.239 which walked towards a car on two legs, and she 1017 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.760 described it as looking like a big dog, probably bigger 1018 00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:50.280 than her car, covered in cream and gray colored with 1019 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:51.199 a human face. 1020 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:52.639 Wow. 1021 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.199 Yeah, there used to be like a mythical creature or 1022 00:59:56.400 --> 00:59:58.920 an old sighting called the Beast of Barms and Drain 1023 00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:02.280 or old sting. I think it's at the wheel like 1024 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.079 creature then. So we've got historically, we've got lots of 1025 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:12.400 wheel of tales in Europe and in England. But some 1026 01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:15.599 bigfoot fans would argue that they are just bigfoot and 1027 01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:19.199 people didn't know what they were, so they described yes, 1028 01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.599 real wolf, right, but these creatures tend to have like 1029 01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:23.800 a wolf like face. 1030 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:28.400 Right. Yeah, that's interesting because see you know that was 1031 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.000 back to kind of like what you know we were 1032 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:35.400 talking earlier. The different looks or appearance is based off 1033 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:39.199 a region. Yeah, some of us believe that there's a 1034 01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:43.719 possibility that there's different types of bigfoots. For example, well, 1035 01:00:43.800 --> 01:00:46.440 in my opinion, and you know, and I think others 1036 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:51.760 may agree, but maybe in a different view, you know. 1037 01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:54.559 And this is one thing a lot of people say. 1038 01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.920 I've been asked if I'm comparing Bigfoot too. Am I 1039 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.320 trying to make big Foot to our known primates? No, 1040 01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:03.480 I'm not, but there is there's a lot to compare 1041 01:01:03.840 --> 01:01:08.000 and a lot of a lot of similarities. What if 1042 01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:12.639 there is a Bigfoot that's more resembles the baboon? 1043 01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:17.039 Yeah, that when you look at the Beast of Seven 1044 01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.840 Shoots picture, that's what you think, right, Yeah, the Beast 1045 01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:23.840 of seven Shoots. That the alleged photo of the only 1046 01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:28.519 alleged photo of a dog man apparently, and it has 1047 01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.719 this sort of long, baboony kind of face, right right. 1048 01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:35.840 I thought that for a long time. 1049 01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:36.519 But I. 1050 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:41.559 Also admit that the reason I do think because there 1051 01:01:41.599 --> 01:01:43.679 could be something in it. But the main reason I 1052 01:01:43.800 --> 01:01:47.159 think it is because I'm uncomfortable with a wolf man, 1053 01:01:48.119 --> 01:01:51.440 actual wolf man in the sense of, you know, the 1054 01:01:51.519 --> 01:01:56.639 bipedal creature that has wolf like features. But you know, 1055 01:01:57.039 --> 01:01:59.679 it could be I've heard lots of different descriptions like 1056 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.280 this guy. Okay, that's apparently more gorilla like, isn't it. 1057 01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.519 Yeah, gorilla ring things. 1058 01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:09.840 Yeah, that's right, that old picture that was taken in Florida, 1059 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.280 the remember that one with has a grayish kind of bed. 1060 01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:14.800 Yeah, I'm familiar. 1061 01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:19.920 Yeah, I mean that looks I mean you're tennis but 1062 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:24.440 with a darker kind of pelt. Right, So I think 1063 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:27.360 it would make perfect sense that it'd have variation species. 1064 01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.119 They spread all over the world, Like they're a compendic 1065 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.960 that's supposed to be four feet tall, and yet it 1066 01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:36.559 still looks by people in the big Foot like way. 1067 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.559 Now, when you say you're uncomfortable, you know with you 1068 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:44.239 know the way you describe it and explain that, I 1069 01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.360 have to kind of go along with you. I think 1070 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:50.639 I feel the same way where you know, just based 1071 01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:55.280 off of what you got, you know, Yeah, because you 1072 01:02:55.320 --> 01:02:57.599 know the way you describe it, you know, the way 1073 01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:00.559 you explain it makes a lot of sense as far 1074 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:04.239 as you feel uncomfortable about your take on this based 1075 01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:06.760 off of this here, it's like you want to believe, 1076 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:10.639 but yet there's you know, I don't know. 1077 01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:15.199 I just think that for people in our position currently, 1078 01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:19.639 the dog Man Stories puts us back in the position 1079 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:22.840 of the unbelief of the outside of cryptoology, guy who 1080 01:03:23.079 --> 01:03:26.719 has to try to accept something that they never considered 1081 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:30.880 to exist before, right, and that's that's an interesting exercise. 1082 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.960 Doesn't mean we have to accept it straight away, but 1083 01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:35.119 we still have to treat those witnesses with the same 1084 01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.519 kind of respect and also, you know, due diligence. So 1085 01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:44.719 I had a wheal of report given to me, and 1086 01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:47.760 you know, it was wearing a check shirt and trousers, 1087 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:49.920 and it spoke to the lady and had a hat on, 1088 01:03:50.079 --> 01:03:54.679 and I was like, okay, I was getting yeah, yeah, 1089 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:56.800 but I had to admit that, Okay, you know, she's 1090 01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:00.719 saying all of this, it sounds crazy, but if these 1091 01:04:00.800 --> 01:04:05.280 things are intelligent and couldn't mimic human behavior and put 1092 01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:08.079 some clothes on. And then I thought there were too 1093 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.079 many There were actually lots of how can I put it, 1094 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.280 There were lots of tells in the whole story that 1095 01:04:14.400 --> 01:04:18.119 there was an issue, a mental health issue happening. Not 1096 01:04:18.239 --> 01:04:20.079 to denigrate the ladies, so she was very nice, but 1097 01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.639 it clearly was, you know, there was a mental health 1098 01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:25.840 issue going on. And I thought, okay, so that's a 1099 01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:28.719 clear and obvious one. But the other one of a 1100 01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:32.199 person who has a big foot like experience but was 1101 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:36.000 something with doglike features, but that's something different altogether, and 1102 01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:38.320 I have to consider whether that is real or not 1103 01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:43.039 based upon the witness description, and it all comes down 1104 01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.159 to preference just there. But even if I'm uncomfortable with that, 1105 01:04:46.199 --> 01:04:48.519 I don't try not to reject it if it makes sense. 1106 01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:52.440 Yeah, were you you're talking about as she was telling 1107 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.159 their story? Has what you said had too many tales 1108 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:59.599 and it we kind of we referred to it as flags, 1109 01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:04.159 like there's red flags. Want you like, yeah, there's a 1110 01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:08.199 red flag in that one, you know, so more or 1111 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:11.639 less to take caution about what you're hearing. I do 1112 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:16.559 the same thing. I'm I'm always Yeah, I've investigated a 1113 01:05:16.599 --> 01:05:20.079 few eyewitness reports, you know, in the surrounding areas here, 1114 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:22.400 and and uh, you know, you want to get a 1115 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.679 feel for who these people are, and you want to 1116 01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:28.320 kind of like sometimes you can always feel their story 1117 01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.400 to be real, you know, it's just the way, especially 1118 01:05:31.400 --> 01:05:33.559 when they take you to the location. That's what really 1119 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.800 intrigues me. They're willing to take you there, you know, 1120 01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:40.039 and give you every detail they can because they want 1121 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:42.599 they want to tell somebody this is what I saw 1122 01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:45.119 and this is where it happened. You know, some people 1123 01:05:45.400 --> 01:05:45.840 they can't. 1124 01:05:46.039 --> 01:05:50.880 Yeah, they can't shake him, right, man. You can't see 1125 01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:55.800 what you've seen, can you. I think that's amazing. Actually, 1126 01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:59.920 what I when I look for in these witness reports 1127 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:04.280 then it's just me in mundane boring details. Life is 1128 01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:07.239 full of mundane, boring details. And when you see a 1129 01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.920 witness description has and you know, we're war driven down 1130 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:11.719 the road and there was this weird post box on 1131 01:06:11.760 --> 01:06:15.400 the side, and somebody had knocked over one of the signposts, 1132 01:06:16.159 --> 01:06:19.079 and it was really a very light way, and I 1133 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.679 remember that. You know, these mundane, boring details they make 1134 01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:27.400 the story real to me, whereas you know, the fantastical 1135 01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:32.199 overelaboration and hype of presentation of everything. I get cautious 1136 01:06:32.199 --> 01:06:35.480 and I think, okay, well we're selling me something clearly. 1137 01:06:36.760 --> 01:06:39.280 That doesn't mean it's not true, but it makes me 1138 01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:48.599 feel a bit immore suspicious of the truth of the story. 1139 01:06:49.320 --> 01:06:52.559 Whereas if somebody's describing what they've for breakfast that morning, 1140 01:06:52.679 --> 01:06:54.920 just before they went out and saw the thing, it's 1141 01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:58.000 part of a daily routine and it's got a reality 1142 01:06:58.239 --> 01:06:58.480 for me. 1143 01:06:58.599 --> 01:07:07.599 Anyway, rightactly. So, uh, Jack, you're a little quieter, Do 1144 01:07:07.599 --> 01:07:09.199 you want to jump in? I didn't know if I 1145 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:11.679 interrupted you or not before I came back on. 1146 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:19.280 And yeah, Andy, how far are you from Cornwall and Devon? 1147 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:25.880 Quite far actually, so it's probably I was there recently 1148 01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:30.840 in Saint Ives in Cornwall in twenty seventeen, I think, 1149 01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:35.880 and it was a planet six hour train journey, which 1150 01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:37.360 in British terms is far. 1151 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.719 I was sitting here reading up on this one cryptid 1152 01:07:42.760 --> 01:07:44.960 here on my tablet while I was asking you, guys, 1153 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:48.440 Paul the based of bodmin More. 1154 01:07:48.920 --> 01:07:51.559 Okay, yeah, now that's a big cat as well. 1155 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:53.679 This is what we know. 1156 01:07:53.920 --> 01:07:56.960 Yeah, I mean these are the these are the famous 1157 01:07:57.119 --> 01:07:59.719 big cats. So when they first started to be regularly, 1158 01:08:00.039 --> 01:08:04.280 I didn't photographed in this country boardman more. I think 1159 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:06.280 there was a researcher that he was down there for 1160 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.880 years looking for this creature, and I think he may 1161 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:12.440 have only got one or two distant photographs of that's 1162 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:18.199 how cautious they are. Heat me more. I mean they're 1163 01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.279 all over the place. I was given a story about 1164 01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:25.000 the father and son who were fishing on a beach. 1165 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:29.239 I had just been in front of some sand dunes 1166 01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:34.359 like sand hills in a beach in Plended, now in Wales, 1167 01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.479 North Wales, and they saw a leopard hunting in the 1168 01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:41.760 sand dunes, and it saw them and gave chase and 1169 01:08:41.840 --> 01:08:46.159 they literally ran, they said anyway, they didn't look back, 1170 01:08:46.239 --> 01:08:49.039 but they just saw it running after and they ran away. 1171 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:52.520 That's the only story like that really, But it's they 1172 01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:56.720 are widespread countrywide. I don't know of a single part 1173 01:08:56.760 --> 01:08:59.920 of the country that doesn't have big cat stories. Also 1174 01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.520 film pictures, there's so much evidence. But the government is 1175 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:08.199 keeping that one quiet through a very very clever British 1176 01:09:08.239 --> 01:09:12.640 method we call not talking about it. They're not hiding it, 1177 01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:17.000 they're just not answering any questions. So I think that's 1178 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:20.279 quite a cultural thing. If we just don't reply to them, 1179 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:21.119 they'll go away. 1180 01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:25.600 Well here's the thing though, and a lot of resources 1181 01:09:25.640 --> 01:09:28.079 I've found big cats aren't native to the UK. 1182 01:09:28.640 --> 01:09:30.039 They're not not at all. 1183 01:09:30.560 --> 01:09:35.479 They're always they're either released exotic pats or escaped animals. 1184 01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:39.920 Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean these we think the 1185 01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:42.680 population we think I think and some other people think 1186 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:47.119 population is growing a lot. And there's I said, people 1187 01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:51.640 in nineteen seventy seven, seventy sixcessiveties something I never remember. 1188 01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:54.920 The Dangerous World Animals that was introduced to cover the 1189 01:09:55.840 --> 01:09:59.840 care and the keeping these types of animals and lots 1190 01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:01.880 of and would just let go. I've talked to people 1191 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:04.720 who knew people that let them go, and I know 1192 01:10:04.920 --> 01:10:09.119 four individuals who've actually seen them are close. One sighting 1193 01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:13.039 of which was on the porch of a house. I 1194 01:10:13.199 --> 01:10:16.000 was staying in a place called Kromerch in West Wales, 1195 01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:20.640 near the Procelli Mountains, and I was dating a girl. 1196 01:10:20.720 --> 01:10:23.880 Her parents lived there, swilly rural like five miles away. 1197 01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:28.199 That's the next house, and some friends of her mother 1198 01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:29.760 had come up from London and we were all in 1199 01:10:29.880 --> 01:10:31.800 the house and one of the friends she was a 1200 01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:34.359 heavy smoke of this lady, and she got out at 1201 01:10:34.439 --> 01:10:36.840 five six am in the morning to have a cigarette 1202 01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:41.920 on the porch on the patio outside with just this 1203 01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:44.640 little porch patio area and then it's just countryside for 1204 01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:47.560 miles and miles. And she lit her cigarette and in 1205 01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:52.279 the light she saw a black panther staring at her 1206 01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:56.319 ten fifteen feet away, just looking very large cat. She 1207 01:10:56.399 --> 01:10:59.960 said she was shocked. She froze, watched her three few seconds, 1208 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.119 turned and walked away. And in that same house, the 1209 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:06.159 sister of the girl I was dating she'd seen one 1210 01:11:06.199 --> 01:11:09.680 whilst riding over the mountain away and it was back 1211 01:11:09.720 --> 01:11:12.000 in a friend's farm, the farm she had just left, 1212 01:11:12.760 --> 01:11:18.239 chasing sheep around in the sheep pen, and both skeptical people, 1213 01:11:18.520 --> 01:11:22.439 both had no intention or desire to see anything like that, 1214 01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.319 and convinced to this very day that they saw what 1215 01:11:25.479 --> 01:11:25.840 they saw. 1216 01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:31.720 M there's one other crypt and then, Daniel, I'll turn 1217 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.840 it back over to you. This one has been a 1218 01:11:34.960 --> 01:11:40.039 fascination of mine since I got into cryptozoology. Over there 1219 01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:44.680 in the UK, y'all have a version of our American 1220 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:46.800 MAPA man in the owl Man. 1221 01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:53.920 Interesting. That is an interesting one. So the owl Man. 1222 01:11:54.960 --> 01:11:59.920 Basically this this whole story, and there's lots of sighting 1223 01:12:01.239 --> 01:12:04.439 this whole story. It has a has a bit of 1224 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:08.880 a twist to it in that the person collecting the 1225 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:15.239 sightings at the time was was a very famous sort 1226 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:19.239 of nessy researcher and magician and all of these things. 1227 01:12:19.279 --> 01:12:22.399 And he used to, you know, he used to go 1228 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:24.319 and collect these sightings all around the world or try 1229 01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:31.600 to contract messy. His name was it Doc Gosh. I 1230 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:34.880 don't know his name. That me well, I'll come back 1231 01:12:34.920 --> 01:12:38.439 to that in a moment. Anyway, but Jonathan Down who's 1232 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:40.720 the head of the CFC here and has been running 1233 01:12:40.760 --> 01:12:43.520 the cryptos orgy groups here in the UK for thirty years. 1234 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:45.600 He wrote a great book about it called The Almond 1235 01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:49.680 and Others. So the first sighting was by two children 1236 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:55.359 aged nine and twelve in the village of Morning near 1237 01:12:55.439 --> 01:12:58.760 Morning Old Church, and what they describe was they saw 1238 01:12:58.840 --> 01:13:01.640 a birdman hovering above the tower of Morning Old Church 1239 01:13:02.720 --> 01:13:04.960 and they're said to have run away and directly reported 1240 01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:08.479 beans into the police. Took them into separate rooms and 1241 01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:11.079 got them to draw. The creature that drew was a 1242 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:16.279 something they said was a five foot tall bipedal owl, 1243 01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:23.880 grayish brown feathers, very glowing eyes. You know, it's a 1244 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:26.680 very strange creature. Other people have seen it resting on 1245 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:28.319 a branch. A group of people saw it there and 1246 01:13:28.760 --> 01:13:30.560 they thought somebody was in a suit messing around, and 1247 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:35.439 the creature lifted off and emitted the strange crackling electric 1248 01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:39.800 static cutor sound. So that's been seen a lot of times. 1249 01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:42.760 I think it could be very very similar to the 1250 01:13:42.880 --> 01:13:49.079 moth man. I think the descriptions are very very similar, 1251 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:55.600 you know, sort of nondescript. I think there's headless description 1252 01:13:55.680 --> 01:13:58.199 that's sometimes given of the mothlan could be a creature 1253 01:13:58.239 --> 01:14:01.279 that has its head very low in a shoulders, you know, 1254 01:14:01.479 --> 01:14:06.079 in the dark background, with especially the glowing eyes, it 1255 01:14:06.079 --> 01:14:09.319 would stand out that way. This moth Alman has also 1256 01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:12.760 been sighted in West Wales at some point and the 1257 01:14:12.840 --> 01:14:15.760 other places in the country. And I had a theory 1258 01:14:16.640 --> 01:14:19.159 with these kinds of creatures that are very rarely seen, 1259 01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:22.159 and some of us, like terroristles, are occasionally seen for 1260 01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:26.920 and in these creatures could be traveling through our country 1261 01:14:26.960 --> 01:14:30.319 on the way to somewhere else, migratory root perhaps. And 1262 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:34.159 I only think that because not because they are so 1263 01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:37.800 rarely seen, you know, in quite popular areas. 1264 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:47.239 M hm wow. Yeah, because you know, we've been in 1265 01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.720 discussions regarding the mating here in the United States. Yeah, 1266 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:54.079 and uh, you know there's we you know, of course, 1267 01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:56.239 in some of our discussions, some of us we try 1268 01:14:56.279 --> 01:15:00.359 to we always try to demond things, yeah, and we 1269 01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:03.319 always try to compare, you know, and we've always wanted 1270 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:05.640 could it be this, Could it be that you know, 1271 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:13.000 we know there's there's giant birds, big owls, owls, owls. 1272 01:15:13.039 --> 01:15:16.279 I think the most well, the closest that we've could 1273 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:19.960 ever come to comparing anything related to a mothman. But 1274 01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.680 you know, yeah, people describe mothman with a white long 1275 01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:27.840 you know, big wing span, you know, and then other 1276 01:15:27.880 --> 01:15:32.760 people have you know, seen a bipedal figure, you know, 1277 01:15:33.119 --> 01:15:40.399 almost like a man, you know. So it's especially with Zach. 1278 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:44.960 Zach had an encounter which was very interesting. You know. 1279 01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.960 Yeah, naturally that's interesting, Zach. 1280 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:51.840 If you if you would like job, if you want 1281 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:55.479 to go and share that, Oh do I gotta do 1282 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:56.039 it again? 1283 01:15:56.720 --> 01:15:56.920 Yeah. 1284 01:15:57.600 --> 01:15:59.600 Jack shared this one numerous times with people. 1285 01:16:01.279 --> 01:16:05.159 This has got to be my most most highly requested 1286 01:16:05.279 --> 01:16:06.399 encounter I've ever had. 1287 01:16:09.119 --> 01:16:10.199 I'd love to share it, Zach. 1288 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:15.039 But all right, well, since you asked nicely, Andy, I'll 1289 01:16:15.039 --> 01:16:16.439 tell you Daniel not too much. 1290 01:16:16.560 --> 01:16:20.079 Thank you, thank you very much. 1291 01:16:21.359 --> 01:16:24.800 It happened a couple of years ago in uh what 1292 01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:30.479 year was it again, two thousand and uh sixteen. It 1293 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:34.840 was right around Christmas time. My girlfriend at the time 1294 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.399 called me about two forty five in the morning and 1295 01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:40.760 she says, get up and get ready. We need to 1296 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:44.279 go to town and pick something up. And I said, okay, 1297 01:16:44.319 --> 01:16:46.319 I'll throw my coole's on. You come to the house 1298 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:51.239 and pick me up and we'll take off and she said, okay, 1299 01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:54.520 I'll be there in a bit. And she comes here 1300 01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.479 and she picks me up. And I live out in 1301 01:16:56.600 --> 01:16:59.399 a very rural area. I live out in the middle 1302 01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.119 of on a cattle farm that me and my family on. 1303 01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:04.000 I'm a fifth generation cattle farmer. 1304 01:17:04.520 --> 01:17:04.760 Wow. 1305 01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:09.439 And we drove down this old country road heading towards 1306 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:15.359 the nearest town called Marion, and we're driving slow down 1307 01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:17.720 the road. It was a clear night like it is tonight. 1308 01:17:18.119 --> 01:17:22.640 It was a full moon and it was I want 1309 01:17:22.680 --> 01:17:24.800 to say it was about maybe the twenty first or 1310 01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:31.720 the twenty second, twenty third of December. And we're just 1311 01:17:31.880 --> 01:17:35.119 tooling along. She's driving slow because of ice being on 1312 01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:38.199 the road and everything. And I'm watching at the passenger 1313 01:17:38.319 --> 01:17:41.600 window to make sure if there's any deer out running. 1314 01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:46.680 And we come past this one open field that sets 1315 01:17:46.760 --> 01:17:49.479 right off the road and I looked out in the 1316 01:17:50.279 --> 01:17:52.720 field and I see the silhouette of looks to be 1317 01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:58.279 a man standing there, and I said, babe, stop the car. 1318 01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.920 I said, you seeing that guy out there? And she 1319 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:06.119 said yeah, And so you stay right here. I'm gonna 1320 01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.760 go check because at the time I didn't know if 1321 01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:14.359 it was some guy that was out here that was trespassing, 1322 01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:19.359 or if someone was out here looking for something to steal. 1323 01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:20.720 Or if they were drunk. 1324 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:28.079 Rocker, definitely, And I got out of the car and 1325 01:18:28.159 --> 01:18:31.600 I stood on the shoulder and I said, excuse me, sorry, 1326 01:18:31.640 --> 01:18:36.520 you're okay? I didn't get an answer. And there was 1327 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.399 no overcast that night, and I saw a solid silhouette 1328 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:41.560 and it looked like to be a man wearing a 1329 01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:45.560 very dark overcoat, but it didn't have any sleeves, so 1330 01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.600 basically it looked like he was wearing a cape. And 1331 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:51.239 I hopped across the ditch and I got up on 1332 01:18:51.319 --> 01:18:53.079 the lip of the field, on the lip of that 1333 01:18:53.279 --> 01:18:56.319 ditch where it goes into the field, and I said, sir, 1334 01:18:56.399 --> 01:18:59.920 are you okay? Do I need to call somebody? And 1335 01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:03.920 that's when it looked and it turned at me, and 1336 01:19:04.880 --> 01:19:08.079 there was no glow to the eyes before at this point, 1337 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:11.199 I said, sir, you okay? Do I need to call somebody? 1338 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:12.000 Are you all right? 1339 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:17.279 And that's when the wings opened up and it sounded 1340 01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:22.199 like whenever you're trying to flatten a tarp out that's 1341 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:24.199 all bundled up and you're trying to spread it out 1342 01:19:24.239 --> 01:19:26.920 and flop it in the wind. You hear that flume sound, 1343 01:19:27.560 --> 01:19:32.239 that's exactly what the wings sounded like. And about the 1344 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.439 time my eyes seeing what was going on, the eyes 1345 01:19:35.640 --> 01:19:39.760 flashed at me a bright red and it hit me 1346 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:42.840 with a very sharp pain in my eyes. The only 1347 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.800 thing I could compare it to was if you've ever 1348 01:19:46.880 --> 01:19:50.560 been welding with an arc welder and someone flash flashes 1349 01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:52.840 you with that arc without a mask on. That's it 1350 01:19:53.119 --> 01:19:56.399 exactly the pain that hit me in the eyes, and 1351 01:19:56.520 --> 01:19:59.960 it blinded me temporarily for like thirty seconds. To them, 1352 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:04.880 that's an I mean, my eyes were just watering like crazy, 1353 01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:09.239 like my mind as well been crying. And I wiped 1354 01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.600 my eyes and it got my sight back. And before 1355 01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.840 I could open my eyes, I heard another fume and 1356 01:20:17.079 --> 01:20:19.520 I looked over where this thing was and it was gone. 1357 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:22.600 And I turned around and hollered back at the car 1358 01:20:22.720 --> 01:20:25.319 and I said, Babe, do you see that she goes? 1359 01:20:26.000 --> 01:20:26.359 She goes? 1360 01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:28.880 Yes, I did. I said, you see where he went? 1361 01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:31.439 And she said no, And I'm not sticking around to. 1362 01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:32.199 See what it was. 1363 01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:36.840 So I got back across the ditch, I got back 1364 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.039 in the car and we drove to town. We didn't 1365 01:20:39.039 --> 01:20:42.680 say a word to each other all the way into town, 1366 01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:46.560 when we got to the store, and all the way 1367 01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:51.439 back to my house. We didn't say a word, and 1368 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:53.520 I sat there the whole time trying to figure out 1369 01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:55.479 what in the world was it. 1370 01:20:57.039 --> 01:21:00.359 Did you see here's a question. Did you see a 1371 01:21:00.479 --> 01:21:04.520 distinct head on the figure when you were looking at 1372 01:21:04.560 --> 01:21:07.920 it before the wings and furled and it was just 1373 01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:10.720 a statue like figure. Did it? Did it look like 1374 01:21:10.760 --> 01:21:12.199 a man with the shoulders and the head? 1375 01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:18.439 It looked like just a head sitting on shoulders, No 1376 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:24.520 like around his head. Whenever, whenever it turned and looked 1377 01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:26.800 at me, it turned its whole torso it didn't turn it. 1378 01:21:28.640 --> 01:21:33.600 That's that's significant. Yeah, that shows it's a very short leg. 1379 01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.520 So for a long time now I've got a that's 1380 01:21:36.520 --> 01:21:39.760 an amazing sighting. By the way, especially because of what 1381 01:21:39.960 --> 01:21:42.439 happened your eyes when the eyes flashed, So some sort 1382 01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:45.520 of bioluminescence in the eyes that would explain this globe 1383 01:21:45.560 --> 01:21:48.680 people talk about. But another thing was you had this 1384 01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:52.479 it affected your side, so it emitted something at you 1385 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:56.279 with this flash of the eyes that affected your vision, 1386 01:21:56.439 --> 01:22:00.520 which could be some kind of hunting technique. Right blind 1387 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:02.479 to pray and then you pray on it, or you 1388 01:22:02.560 --> 01:22:07.640 blind the predator and you escape. I think that's really interesting. 1389 01:22:07.720 --> 01:22:11.079 Now there's a similar sighting to yours from Scotland, actually 1390 01:22:11.119 --> 01:22:15.560 from Glasgow, about the way that this creature looked, and 1391 01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:18.520 this was somebody that they were walking. They were driving 1392 01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:21.000 home sorry a four thirty am in the morning, also 1393 01:22:21.119 --> 01:22:24.319 very early. They missed their turn into their streets and 1394 01:22:24.560 --> 01:22:28.079 they pulled over to perform a YouTube and the gates 1395 01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:32.439 of the Sight Hill Cemetery and the Lords boundary, they 1396 01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:37.039 saw something move extremely quickly through the headlights and it 1397 01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:40.840 went across the nose of their car, running in the street. 1398 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:44.640 They thought it was maybe forty feet in front of them, 1399 01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.720 and they went down the street in from a very 1400 01:22:47.800 --> 01:22:50.800 fast speed, and this person in the car followed it 1401 01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:54.960 very very closely to try to keep up and said 1402 01:22:55.000 --> 01:22:59.079 it was jet black. It might have had something that 1403 01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:03.079 would either wing or something that looked like a cape, 1404 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:07.359 a black cape that it was wearing. They got the 1405 01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:10.560 impression of maybe feathers, they weren't sure, but something like 1406 01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:15.119 bad swings. And as they followed it in the street, 1407 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:18.399 it stopped, you know, at the end near a wall 1408 01:23:18.640 --> 01:23:22.920 within the street, and the car driver also stopped and 1409 01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:26.239 had it towards it to the headlights. Then it jumped 1410 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:30.680 twenty feet vertically in the air and over the wall 1411 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:34.960 behind it. It's amazing, but some of the similarities, some 1412 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:37.840 of the descriptions is the same. You know, there's a 1413 01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:41.239 man like figure, it's got a cowl on or a 1414 01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:45.079 cape or some kind of wings or some description that 1415 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:47.800 too dark to see the detail of. I think that's 1416 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.560 an amazing sighting you got. And then it really reminded 1417 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:52.359 me of this one when you said it. 1418 01:23:53.439 --> 01:24:00.520 Yeah, so much research whenever it comes to flying riptids, 1419 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:04.920 especially from spring Hill Jack to the demon Labor to 1420 01:24:05.039 --> 01:24:09.439 the band Neither Monster, Our Man, the Man, the flying 1421 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.880 human noise. It's such an interesting thing to me. Like 1422 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:16.520 what I want to know is where did these things 1423 01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:17.079 come from? 1424 01:24:17.319 --> 01:24:20.000 What are they? And why are they here? Yeah? 1425 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:23.479 Yeah, I mean a lot of people would go to 1426 01:24:23.600 --> 01:24:28.039 the paranormal explanation because of the creature's attributes. I'd like 1427 01:24:28.159 --> 01:24:31.119 to shy away from that personally, because I think once 1428 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:33.840 we lose it in the paranormal world, you don't you 1429 01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:37.399 no longer need an explanation. You forget the real, the 1430 01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:40.520 natural side of things. I'd like to think that some 1431 01:24:40.840 --> 01:24:44.960 animals that we don't know of i'll quite know yet 1432 01:24:45.279 --> 01:24:50.439 might have abilities that we would consider extraordinary, like bigfoot 1433 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:55.800 infrasounds and people talk about that, don't they, Or you know, 1434 01:24:56.279 --> 01:25:01.000 bioluminescent features in eyes, and some of the the terrosoles 1435 01:25:01.039 --> 01:25:02.640 like the rope and that people talk about ore and 1436 01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:06.399 darva having a bioluminescence that helps them to see at 1437 01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:10.800 night or to hunt. These things may seem extraordinary, but 1438 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:13.880 when you think about it, well, you know, an octopus 1439 01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:17.119 can change color to disguise itself as a rock, and right, 1440 01:25:17.720 --> 01:25:23.039 the chameleon can mimic any colored seas. You know, lots 1441 01:25:23.079 --> 01:25:27.640 of creatures tigers apparently have infrasound. So the elephants and 1442 01:25:29.119 --> 01:25:34.000 tigers apparently use it. They think that to stun their prey. Yeah. 1443 01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:38.079 They also think that owls might have some sort of bioluminescence. So, 1444 01:25:38.680 --> 01:25:42.640 I mean, these are not proven scientific as they're still. 1445 01:25:42.520 --> 01:25:43.000 In the theory. 1446 01:25:43.119 --> 01:25:49.359 But the natural world is very naturally amazing inability. When 1447 01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:52.039 we look at it objectively, we imagine we never knew 1448 01:25:52.079 --> 01:25:54.479 about these animals. What they can do seems amazing. 1449 01:25:56.039 --> 01:25:59.760 Yeah, yeah, there's amazing, Like as far as the infrasound. 1450 01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.039 Just I'm just throwing that out there for example, since 1451 01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:06.199 you mentioned that's one thing that shouldn't be too far 1452 01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:11.319 feest for us to believe considering the number of known 1453 01:26:11.399 --> 01:26:14.399 species that use it. Some may use it in a 1454 01:26:14.439 --> 01:26:18.680 slightly different way than others, but there is primates that 1455 01:26:18.840 --> 01:26:22.640 have been known to use it in a smaller primates. 1456 01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:25.840 But like you said, there's so much that we don't know, 1457 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:29.640 you know, we even with our known as species, there's 1458 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:31.680 so much that we think we know that because of 1459 01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:34.239 you know, what is exposed, but there's so much more 1460 01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:38.880 mystery behind them themselves, never mind something that's considered unknown 1461 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:42.640 that you know, even mainstream science is not willing to 1462 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:45.800 or not ready to admit. 1463 01:26:46.319 --> 01:26:50.079 Yeah, you know, yeah, fully that. And I think, you know, 1464 01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:55.199 in one sense, I know, in cryptoology, sometimes science can 1465 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:57.079 be our enemy and it can be our friend, you know. 1466 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:01.319 So I find conclusive evidence itself friend, and the rest 1467 01:27:01.319 --> 01:27:06.239 of the time it's ultra skepticism about some very convincing 1468 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:09.359 facts can be troubling to as well. I'm quite easy 1469 01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:12.000 about the whole thing. I just think that we need 1470 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:15.439 to embrace it what we can. But science doesn't really 1471 01:27:15.520 --> 01:27:18.800 have or a tenured scientist don't really have that ability 1472 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:21.119 to go out and search for these unknown creatures because 1473 01:27:22.039 --> 01:27:25.039 it probably would have a detrimental effect on their careers 1474 01:27:26.199 --> 01:27:28.159 for most of them, you know. So in the old days, 1475 01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.039 if you went up searching for the Lucknest monster and 1476 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.680 you were, you know, a tenured scientist or part of 1477 01:27:32.720 --> 01:27:35.479 the Natural History Museum or one of those guys, you 1478 01:27:35.560 --> 01:27:38.439 weren't coming back to your job on the Monday, you know, 1479 01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:41.279 after you went out there looking for it. So over 1480 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:44.039 the years, you know, that's had a big effect in people. 1481 01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:47.039 I think they're very cautious because of that, and so 1482 01:27:47.159 --> 01:27:50.000 they should be. You know, it's you can't just accept 1483 01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:54.439 anything people like us. I think what's exciting about what 1484 01:27:54.560 --> 01:28:00.520 we're doing, you and I you guys, is that everybody 1485 01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.239 in the world, you know, thinks at the age of 1486 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.800 exploration and discovery is gone, and it's not. We've just 1487 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:08.680 come to this conclusion that we've seen everything. We've been everywhere, 1488 01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:11.560 but even in our own backyard, we're barely aware of 1489 01:28:11.600 --> 01:28:16.319 what's there all. And it's amazing to think that there 1490 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:21.159 could be stuff that we've overlooked, especially in the country upbringing, 1491 01:28:21.239 --> 01:28:24.920 but even in the United States, it's thoroughly explored as 1492 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:31.560 far as cataloging of species goes. It's an amazing thing now, 1493 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:36.000 either thousands of witnesses or making things up, you know, 1494 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:38.720 like the eleven plus thousand of Locknewers are all making 1495 01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:42.640 things up and corroborating with each other or with Saskoch 1496 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:48.359 or there's something in it. And I think there must 1497 01:28:48.439 --> 01:28:51.479 be something in it, even if it's something we can 1498 01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:55.359 explain away. It's got to be more than just fanciful 1499 01:28:57.479 --> 01:29:00.520 ideas and imaginations, because you don't get positive of attention 1500 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:02.279 for saying you've seen something. 1501 01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:03.079 Like this, right. 1502 01:29:03.279 --> 01:29:04.680 You might get your name in the paper, but the 1503 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:07.960 attention that comes off isn't positive. I try to contact 1504 01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:10.319 a bunch of British bigfoot witnesses here to ask if 1505 01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.359 they go on camera, and all of them said, no way. 1506 01:29:13.840 --> 01:29:16.359 The intention we got from the article that came out 1507 01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:19.640 from the newspaper or whatever was so bad that we 1508 01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:22.159 don't want to go back into this. We don't want 1509 01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:24.119 that kind of attention for our families anymore. 1510 01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:25.239 Right, And. 1511 01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:33.600 That what's the encouragement for people to make things like 1512 01:29:33.680 --> 01:29:35.960 this up, especially in Britain about bigfoot, Because it's not 1513 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:39.600 a phenomenon people are familiar with, especially out here. There's 1514 01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:44.159 not really anything in it. There's not any any background 1515 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:47.720 or any benefit for them in making something like this up. 1516 01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:51.760 So largely, I think a lot of the witnesses, most 1517 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:55.960 are telling the truth with v occasional intension to seek 1518 01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:58.319 in sightings, you know, making their way and occasionally here 1519 01:29:58.399 --> 01:29:58.600 and the. 1520 01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:03.720 So that's one thing I share, you know what. I 1521 01:30:04.119 --> 01:30:08.359 have been in several discussions with non believers, skeptics, you know, 1522 01:30:08.520 --> 01:30:12.800 and so forth, and you know, and some of these 1523 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:15.279 non believers and skeptics are some of my own friends, 1524 01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:21.520 you know, and and family, I will say family mainly 1525 01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:26.760 pertaining to my older sister, my other older sisters, the 1526 01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:29.399 youngest out of the two, she's like totally into it, 1527 01:30:29.600 --> 01:30:32.920 you know. And yeah, and she's always watching and looking. 1528 01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:35.119 Whenever she goes out hiking with one of her friends 1529 01:30:35.239 --> 01:30:38.359 and she gets excited, she thinks she's sign his footprints. 1530 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:41.359 She send me pictures, Daniel, check this out. 1531 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:41.760 You know. 1532 01:30:41.880 --> 01:30:47.640 It's like, all right, calm down, Melie, and so yeah, 1533 01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:50.840 but you know, when it comes to skeptics and stuff, 1534 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:53.680 you know, I was like, first of all, are you aware, 1535 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:58.359 you know, of the history of big friends, you know, 1536 01:30:58.880 --> 01:31:02.159 dating back over one hundred years to down you know 1537 01:31:02.279 --> 01:31:09.119 Native American, you know, documentation to early American history. There's 1538 01:31:09.159 --> 01:31:11.479 so much to consider this. There's a lot of history 1539 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:16.079 that's documented, you know, even in all the eyewitnesses, you know, 1540 01:31:16.399 --> 01:31:19.279 especially coming from law officials. 1541 01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:21.760 That have you know, Yeah, all kinds of people have 1542 01:31:21.840 --> 01:31:22.319 seen these. 1543 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.319 Yeah, and I asked them, I said, are you calling 1544 01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:29.359 them all liars? You know, maybe some have There's a 1545 01:31:29.399 --> 01:31:32.319 possibility that, yeah, some of these things could be misidentified 1546 01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:35.920 or over exaggerated. But you know, you've got to consider 1547 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.920 the sources. You know, you can't just miss them all, 1548 01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:39.600 you know. 1549 01:31:40.359 --> 01:31:44.439 Yeah, it's always been the case with other animals. And 1550 01:31:44.600 --> 01:31:48.399 look at the giants squid. Yeah, it's a real creature 1551 01:31:48.439 --> 01:31:50.359 that we've got on film. We go on camera. We 1552 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:54.640 found specimens years ago. It wasn't accepted. So I remember 1553 01:31:56.600 --> 01:32:00.600 that my sister's father in law, her husband's father, who's 1554 01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:05.600 in the navy, said telling about an experience they have 1555 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:08.239 with a giant squid where it just attached itself to 1556 01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:12.039 the navigation radar, son or what are on the bottom 1557 01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:15.119 of the boat and somehow however it got off. You know, 1558 01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:17.720 when they went down there to repair it. It had 1559 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.680 these claw marks and the claw stuck in it while 1560 01:32:20.760 --> 01:32:24.159 from the suckers, and nobody ever believed them that they 1561 01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:26.119 had dis encounter with the giant squid. 1562 01:32:26.199 --> 01:32:26.760 And yet. 1563 01:32:28.359 --> 01:32:30.399 They think he thinks that it was attracted by the 1564 01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:34.840 pulse that was a bitting and attached itself to it. 1565 01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:40.399 But regardless of that, you know, for a long time, nobody, 1566 01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:42.840 you know, everybody thought, who's joking? And we would take 1567 01:32:42.920 --> 01:32:46.439 it seriously. These navy guys when they make a report, 1568 01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:50.319 it has to be factual. All these sea captain reports 1569 01:32:50.359 --> 01:32:54.199 together sea monsters. There has to be a factual report. 1570 01:32:54.279 --> 01:32:57.680 That's their career. They don't take reporting a sea monster 1571 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.359 as a lightly thing, right to report what they've encountered. 1572 01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:04.119 And I but the ones that did make the report 1573 01:33:04.159 --> 01:33:08.319 were nervous about how it would be received. And it's 1574 01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:12.520 the same with these government officials. And it was the 1575 01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:15.960 ladies think we even had the FORLOCKANESSI Peter Scott, who 1576 01:33:16.079 --> 01:33:18.079 was I think he's dead now. He was a member 1577 01:33:18.119 --> 01:33:21.039 of parliament and he saw he was a big supporter 1578 01:33:21.119 --> 01:33:25.319 of it, and the fog like that to go and record, 1579 01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:29.760 you know, a lord to say I've seen it and 1580 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:30.560 it's real and. 1581 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:31.560 I believe in it. 1582 01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:33.760 That's a big thing, and that's I think the power. 1583 01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:36.319 You can't and see what you've seen, So when you 1584 01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:40.359 have a revelatory experience, so to speak, you can't go back, 1585 01:33:41.079 --> 01:33:43.239 regardless of what kind of attention you get for him. 1586 01:33:44.760 --> 01:33:54.159 Yeah, exactly, but it's uh, yeah, you know, I understand 1587 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:55.800 when it comes, you know, and I'm sure I think 1588 01:33:55.840 --> 01:34:00.199 we all could agree. And you know that you either 1589 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:02.880 we you know, we've always experienced our own ridicule or 1590 01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:06.239 marckery about what we do. But you know, it's easy 1591 01:34:06.319 --> 01:34:07.960 to I think it's easy for us to cope and 1592 01:34:08.079 --> 01:34:12.520 understand with others who you know, have you dealt with 1593 01:34:12.600 --> 01:34:17.039 it themselves. And at the same time, there's people out 1594 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:21.840 there that have seen things that have not shared, but 1595 01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:23.560 they want to tell it. You know. It's sometimes that 1596 01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:26.720 you know, whatever they experience, it might be haunting them, 1597 01:34:27.880 --> 01:34:29.640 but they want answers like a lot of us do. 1598 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:33.279 That's been involved with us for so long. And you 1599 01:34:33.359 --> 01:34:37.399 know that's why I personally, I know, I believe Zach 1600 01:34:37.479 --> 01:34:41.760 does too, and several others you know as well. We 1601 01:34:41.880 --> 01:34:44.520 put ourselves out there publicly about what we do I 1602 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:47.520 know I do. I I got cards, you know, business 1603 01:34:47.560 --> 01:34:49.399 cards with my information about who I am or what 1604 01:34:49.560 --> 01:34:53.239 I do. Contact information. Uh, there's been times I put 1605 01:34:53.319 --> 01:34:56.039 flyers out there, you know. I mean I've been putting 1606 01:34:56.199 --> 01:35:00.680 some flyers out in random places publicly meressing for our 1607 01:35:00.960 --> 01:35:04.039 you know, our upcoming events, so you know, but you 1608 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:07.640 know throughout the year, you know, well, mainly within the 1609 01:35:07.760 --> 01:35:10.560 last few years, I've been putting out you know, these cards, 1610 01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:13.319 you know, the last three to five years, and uh, 1611 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:16.520 you'll be surprised. It's actually pulled people out the woodwork, 1612 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:23.479 you know, people somewhere to go to. Absolutely. Yeah. I've 1613 01:35:23.479 --> 01:35:26.760 been out in public before in the restaurant and you know, 1614 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.079 one guy, well I had my big foot T shirt on, 1615 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:33.720 but he's like, hey, yeah, I know you. I follow 1616 01:35:33.760 --> 01:35:37.119 you on Facebook, you know, I say, oh cool, he 1617 01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:39.039 said yeah, because you know, I've run into people out 1618 01:35:39.079 --> 01:35:41.960 in my research here because it's you know, it's a 1619 01:35:42.119 --> 01:35:44.880 very wooded, remote area. But you know, during the hunting season, 1620 01:35:45.319 --> 01:35:47.640 you know, there's a hunting you're allowed to hunt out there, 1621 01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:50.800 and I've ran into people. I've had a guy pull 1622 01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:52.880 up to my vehicle. It was him and his daughter. 1623 01:35:53.000 --> 01:35:57.359 They were hunting and uh he said oh. He said. 1624 01:35:57.560 --> 01:36:02.760 He says, have you found them yet? I said no. Yeah. 1625 01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:04.640 This is during this early part of the winter. 1626 01:36:05.600 --> 01:36:09.000 I get asked that question every day by my baseball team. 1627 01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:13.600 Yeah, because just a few months ago. Yeah, this is 1628 01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:16.359 about three about three four months ago. And the guy 1629 01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:18.720 asked me. You know, he asked me that and I 1630 01:36:18.760 --> 01:36:23.479 said no, no, but he pointed over his daughter. He says, yeah, 1631 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:25.720 he said, I recognize your license, lea, beause I got 1632 01:36:25.920 --> 01:36:27.640 The guy told me I got one of your cards. 1633 01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:30.680 He said, my daughter's really into that stuff. She she 1634 01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:32.840 believes all this though. You know, I said, oh cool, 1635 01:36:32.960 --> 01:36:35.119 So you know, I got out of my vehicle, you know, 1636 01:36:35.199 --> 01:36:37.399 in do something. But that's what I like. I like, 1637 01:36:37.479 --> 01:36:41.159 you know, even regardless I've seen him and it's putting 1638 01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:42.520 the word out there. Yeah. 1639 01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:44.880 I think it's nice that people are getting a bit 1640 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:49.000 more okay with it now. So in my job though 1641 01:36:49.319 --> 01:36:54.720 too recently, the guy, the guy hired me, he said, oh, 1642 01:36:54.760 --> 01:36:57.840 I take you out to get this book online? What's 1643 01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:00.359 that about? And in the meeting, the introductory eating the 1644 01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:05.239 whole boardroom, make explain what it's about. I I just 1645 01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:07.720 take it with the picture you really believe in that stuff. 1646 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:09.880 I said. Yeah, you know, there's there's a lot to it, 1647 01:37:10.239 --> 01:37:13.600 I said, but more than anything, I enjoy it. And 1648 01:37:13.720 --> 01:37:15.520 if you tell them that I enjoy it, you know, 1649 01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:18.680 it makes it easy for them to grasp it, to 1650 01:37:18.800 --> 01:37:21.960 conceive of it, because then you're not asking people to 1651 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:25.800 believe it, you're asking them to accept you and you're 1652 01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:28.840 into it. Yeah, right, which is a different thing to 1653 01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:32.079 ask of somebody. It's an easier it's an easier ask, 1654 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:34.880 so to say, yeah, you know, I'm really into this. 1655 01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:38.119 I like these kind of things, you know, boice toys, 1656 01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.880 that kind of stuffs, see Bigfoot the rest of it. 1657 01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:43.279 Which it's a lot more involved in that, but I 1658 01:37:43.359 --> 01:37:45.399 don't have to hit them with the whole thing. They 1659 01:37:45.439 --> 01:37:48.279 can just come bit by bit if they want. I'm 1660 01:37:48.279 --> 01:37:52.520 talking about negative attention. Actually, the most negative attention I 1661 01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:56.920 get is from people in the cryptotibology community. It's not 1662 01:37:57.640 --> 01:38:01.439 you know, because there's rivalry, but there's different opinions on 1663 01:38:01.479 --> 01:38:08.159 different things. And unfortunately, you know, since our first interview together, 1664 01:38:09.640 --> 01:38:15.439 I've I've met a lot of these folks along the way. Yeah, 1665 01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:17.800 and it's been difficult. And normally, will I do if 1666 01:38:17.840 --> 01:38:19.840 I get a lot of negative attention from some of 1667 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:23.039 the if it's not productive, I just say, okay, let's 1668 01:38:23.119 --> 01:38:27.439 finish the conversation and then just don't communicate or block 1669 01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:28.319 if it's necessary. 1670 01:38:28.960 --> 01:38:29.079 Right. 1671 01:38:30.600 --> 01:38:33.279 And it's amazing, you know, because it's amazing how many 1672 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:37.640 people in the cryptology will really I'm not criticizing the 1673 01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:40.000 whole community. I'm very grateful to it. But there's some 1674 01:38:40.119 --> 01:38:43.199 elements that it's very confusing that they will give you 1675 01:38:43.359 --> 01:38:47.079 heavy criticism for believing the reality of these creatures like 1676 01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:50.520 Bigfoot and especially in Britain, or lake monsters or whatever. 1677 01:38:51.680 --> 01:38:54.520 And I'm currently dealing with one situation right now which 1678 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:59.239 I won't go into, and it's just amazing kind of 1679 01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:01.279 what lends or will go to you. And I think, well, 1680 01:39:01.920 --> 01:39:03.840 we're involved in the same study. 1681 01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:04.279 Here, you know. 1682 01:39:07.000 --> 01:39:09.439 It's it just seems that they're one or two minor 1683 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:15.520 factions that are just dedicated to actually discritiking anything anybody says, 1684 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:19.520 oh yeah, I don't know where the influence comes from 1685 01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:22.239 other than they get to say that you've been over 1686 01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:26.359 imaginative or you're making it up, and that's just acceptable. 1687 01:39:26.399 --> 01:39:30.000 They don't have to prove that in any way. And 1688 01:39:30.079 --> 01:39:33.840 that's the only slightly negative side. But apart from that, everybody, 1689 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:37.399 like yourselves and other people have been brilliant and it's 1690 01:39:37.439 --> 01:39:40.840 a it's a you know, I advise everybody who is 1691 01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:43.239 interested in it to just get involved in a group 1692 01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:46.760 or like your group, ePRO or whatever else is out 1693 01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:50.359 there and just find out about stuff. If nothing else. 1694 01:39:50.600 --> 01:39:54.119 It's really good fun and it's interesting. 1695 01:39:54.000 --> 01:39:57.279 Absolutely, and that's what it should be fun, you know, 1696 01:39:57.359 --> 01:40:01.960 anything cryptal zoology because you know, people got understand there's 1697 01:40:02.159 --> 01:40:05.279 no degree, you know, that we can obtain to get this. 1698 01:40:05.720 --> 01:40:09.359 It's it's you know, I'm sad to say it's it's 1699 01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:11.840 actually for most of us. It started off as a 1700 01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:14.359 hobby and a curiosity that turned to be a hobby 1701 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:16.520 that turned into something a little bit more. But you know, 1702 01:40:16.600 --> 01:40:18.520 it be you know for some of us who became 1703 01:40:18.560 --> 01:40:20.479 a passion to want to know the truth, and so 1704 01:40:20.600 --> 01:40:23.319 therefore we set ourselves out there to do research and 1705 01:40:23.439 --> 01:40:27.239 study and observe and so but you know, I know 1706 01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:30.279 ZACT will tell you firsthand the big Foot community as 1707 01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:32.720 a whole, and anyone else. You know, there's a lot 1708 01:40:32.720 --> 01:40:34.840 of people sit back and you know, try to have 1709 01:40:34.960 --> 01:40:38.199 very little to do with social media because of the 1710 01:40:38.920 --> 01:40:42.279 the people that's got such swell swell heads, you know, 1711 01:40:42.520 --> 01:40:46.319 that want to be they're there's a self self proclaimed experts. 1712 01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:49.279 They'll tell you they're the same people that say there's 1713 01:40:49.319 --> 01:40:51.479 no such thing as experts, but yet they're the ones 1714 01:40:51.520 --> 01:40:54.920 that are there, right they claim they're the ones that answers. 1715 01:40:55.199 --> 01:40:59.279 You know, toted by them. I mean, and again there's 1716 01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:02.520 such an community. I'm not trying to denigrate people on 1717 01:41:02.600 --> 01:41:06.359 mass at or just there's just a few instances. But 1718 01:41:06.439 --> 01:41:08.079 the funny thing is, I think one of these people 1719 01:41:08.199 --> 01:41:13.319 recently said self styled cryptosologist and m and I thought, 1720 01:41:13.560 --> 01:41:18.079 whatever style is there there's no degree for some self style. 1721 01:41:18.760 --> 01:41:21.279 I've got no other there's no other way to do 1722 01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:24.600 it right. But it's a funny thing. And I think 1723 01:41:24.680 --> 01:41:27.479 he thought it was a criticism. I thought, oh, it's not. 1724 01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:31.560 It's that's how it is actually And yeah, we have 1725 01:41:31.760 --> 01:41:33.840 to be like you said, you have to debunk certain 1726 01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:36.239 things that are obvious. But I like to put the 1727 01:41:36.359 --> 01:41:38.600 question out first, especially in the group. I've got the 1728 01:41:38.800 --> 01:41:42.800 Piece of Britain page Facebook, mainly Twitter put the question out. 1729 01:41:42.880 --> 01:41:47.000 So there was a recent wave formation in Lochness that 1730 01:41:47.199 --> 01:41:50.439 somebody said, the tourist who filmed had said that he'd 1731 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:53.800 seen Messy and this was the action that they're going 1732 01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:54.960 through the waves that I put it out and a 1733 01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:57.319 lot of people say, that's just the boat wait. So 1734 01:41:57.479 --> 01:41:59.520 that's fair enough. It looks like a boat wait. But 1735 01:42:00.439 --> 01:42:03.000 the witness is saying that he saw NeSSI and had 1736 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:05.680 a hippopotamus like skin. You don't see that in a 1737 01:42:05.720 --> 01:42:09.039 boat wave. So we're left in the position of leading 1738 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:13.079 the witness or thinking the witness or a boat wave 1739 01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:15.880 sold the footage to a newspaper and city saw NeSSI. 1740 01:42:16.560 --> 01:42:22.039 It's possible. But that's that's what it's all about, isn't 1741 01:42:22.039 --> 01:42:28.039 it judging whether that's a valid sighting or not. Yeah, yeah, 1742 01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:31.399 based upon the description and the footage, and we just 1743 01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:34.520 have to put it out there. I think it's it's 1744 01:42:34.560 --> 01:42:37.680 important to encourage each other. So what I'm trying to 1745 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:42.199 do with my page is always post at the people's research, right, 1746 01:42:42.319 --> 01:42:46.079 good people like yourself and other people that producing things. 1747 01:42:46.159 --> 01:42:49.600 That's that's promote everybody else because in doing that you 1748 01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:52.560 also promote yourself because you fill up your page with 1749 01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:58.560 good research as your own, and and just make little 1750 01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:01.039 communities where we're support in each other and saying it. 1751 01:43:01.239 --> 01:43:03.439 You know, I'm going to advertise your event. I'm gonna 1752 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:06.880 tell everybody who are doing something, I'm gonna support you. 1753 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:12.000 Because this is a we're already a fringe science or 1754 01:43:12.079 --> 01:43:17.960 community so to speak. Let's not make it even more fractured, 1755 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:20.520 you know, Let's try to find community somewhere. 1756 01:43:21.199 --> 01:43:25.199 Right. Absolutely, you couldn't have said that any better, you know, 1757 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:33.119 you know, I agree tell you what we're getting ready 1758 01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:36.880 to come to a close. But before we do, uh Andy, 1759 01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:41.319 I want you if there's any information, especially if you 1760 01:43:41.359 --> 01:43:44.000 want to promote. I always give everybody the opportunity to 1761 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:46.600 plug something, to share something that they want to put 1762 01:43:46.600 --> 01:43:50.359 out there to remind everybody. As for as you know, 1763 01:43:50.520 --> 01:43:52.960 we got your your book A Beast of Britain, which 1764 01:43:53.039 --> 01:43:56.439 was found on Amazon. Now, is there anything else you 1765 01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:59.479 want to throw out there you want anybody to know? Yet? 1766 01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:04.079 Just really briefly, for anybody listening in the UK, the 1767 01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:07.600 British Cryptics Conference is happening on the twenty seventh of May. 1768 01:44:07.880 --> 01:44:10.079 For tickets, you can find a link on my page 1769 01:44:10.239 --> 01:44:15.199 Beasts Facebook dot com. Beasts of That's my Facebook page. 1770 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:18.479 I'm also going to be in the US in September. 1771 01:44:18.520 --> 01:44:22.319 So I'll be doing the International Cryptology Conference Lauren Coleman 1772 01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:26.039 on the first and second of September and Crypticon in 1773 01:44:26.199 --> 01:44:29.079 Kentucky on the eighth and ninth. So if you're around, 1774 01:44:29.119 --> 01:44:33.920 if you're coming to the to the talks, or to 1775 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:36.479 those weekends, I'll be around. I want to come to 1776 01:44:36.560 --> 01:44:39.039 say hi and have a chat. I'd love to, you know, 1777 01:44:39.439 --> 01:44:41.880 meet a couple couple of people. And that's what I 1778 01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:45.119 like the most, just standing around and talking to Come 1779 01:44:45.159 --> 01:44:45.760 and say hi to me. 1780 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:49.000 If you're there, absolutely, And I know me and you 1781 01:44:49.119 --> 01:44:54.319 recently discussed you know, future events, and normally I wouldn't 1782 01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:57.680 do this, but you know, just you know, I know, 1783 01:44:57.800 --> 01:45:07.159 like I know that we exactly said, okay, well you know, 1784 01:45:08.279 --> 01:45:10.720 all right, I'll go ahead do this. Well, everybody knows 1785 01:45:10.760 --> 01:45:14.279 that we got the twenty eighteen ecbr's first Angle Virginia 1786 01:45:14.319 --> 01:45:17.680 big Foot Conference coming up here June thirtieth and July first. 1787 01:45:17.720 --> 01:45:20.680 It's a two day event followed by a week long 1788 01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:24.840 of camping in a big foot hotspot right here in Virginia. 1789 01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:29.039 And of course for twenty eighteen, all the speakers are 1790 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:32.880 all confirmed and booked and ready to go. We're we're 1791 01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:35.640 all excited, we're ready for this and it's you know, 1792 01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:38.640 it's our first annual. It's a big thing. We got 1793 01:45:38.680 --> 01:45:42.079 our several vendors, you know, set up. We still got 1794 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:46.279 more room for more vendors. And right now this event 1795 01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:49.359 has turned into a huge success, you know, as it 1796 01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:53.039 is with people promoting it, sharing it. Ticket sales are 1797 01:45:53.079 --> 01:45:56.680 out off, you know, you know, looking awesome. I've been 1798 01:45:56.760 --> 01:45:59.199 still still selling tickets the last few days here. We 1799 01:45:59.279 --> 01:46:03.840 still have a few more months ago, and well, let's 1800 01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:08.520 just jump to twenty five, twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. I've 1801 01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:11.880 actually been contacted in the past by other future candidates 1802 01:46:12.079 --> 01:46:15.960 for speaker positions, which you know, we're first, you know, 1803 01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:18.039 we're trying to get through. We're gonna try to get 1804 01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:22.720 through this event here. First, well, I've been in contact 1805 01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:26.199 and you know, I pretty much I guess you could 1806 01:46:26.199 --> 01:46:29.560 say I've already got one confirmed, and if it's safe 1807 01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:31.560 to say, first of all, let me announce the one 1808 01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:33.560 that I do have confirmed, which I wasn't gonna announce 1809 01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:35.439 it yet, but because we haven't even gotten through this 1810 01:46:35.600 --> 01:46:40.359 year's event. But for Zach Derek right here, we have 1811 01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:42.760 Zach Derek, which is going to be this year's emc 1812 01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:48.159 our event MC, which I've been in discussion with Zach. 1813 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:50.279 Zach is actually going to be one of our speakers 1814 01:46:50.359 --> 01:46:54.520 for twenty nineteen. So and then secondly, I recently been 1815 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:58.560 you know, if you don't mind me phone this out there, Andy, 1816 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:05.640 Uh And yeah, me and Andy been in discussion and 1817 01:47:06.039 --> 01:47:09.319 that he's willing to take a spot for twenty nineteen 1818 01:47:09.479 --> 01:47:14.000 right here in Virginia at our second annual event. So 1819 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:17.560 that's going to be exciting. They have a resume in 1820 01:47:17.680 --> 01:47:23.560 the UK here in UH with us, So then Daniel, 1821 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:27.920 that's all good, It's all good. We'll be indoors regardless. 1822 01:47:28.319 --> 01:47:34.000 So so yeah, there's a lot to look forward to. 1823 01:47:34.199 --> 01:47:37.119 I mean, we're excited for this year. I mean, I mean, 1824 01:47:37.800 --> 01:47:40.560 you know, you know they have YouTube arty confirmed and 1825 01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:41.920 you know it's awesome. 1826 01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:44.600 So fantalism. Yeah, I mean, I'm just so glad that 1827 01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:47.520 you're doing these events as well, because people need those 1828 01:47:47.560 --> 01:47:51.239 things to go to. I don't have I just don't 1829 01:47:51.239 --> 01:47:53.600 have that ability to put something together like that, but 1830 01:47:53.720 --> 01:47:55.600 I love to be a part of it. Definitely. 1831 01:47:56.680 --> 01:47:58.600 Well I'll tell you what it's it's it's fun to 1832 01:47:58.680 --> 01:48:01.159 think about it. But you know, since I've started this, 1833 01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:06.079 it's more more more of a headache than I realized. 1834 01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:10.159 But you know, it's it's very stressful, but yeah, I 1835 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:12.039 believe it will pay off in the long rune. So 1836 01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:14.880 this is my first event. I'm learning a lot from 1837 01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:19.520 this already, and you know, so we'll we'll conquer from this, 1838 01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:21.199 you know, we'll take it from it, learn from it, 1839 01:48:21.319 --> 01:48:24.920 and uh improve even more later on. But so yeah, 1840 01:48:24.920 --> 01:48:26.560 I mean, like I said, you know, it's it's something 1841 01:48:26.600 --> 01:48:30.359 we're looking forward to you So, you know, like I said, 1842 01:48:30.399 --> 01:48:32.640 we there are speakers that we have lineup for this year. 1843 01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:36.760 They're awesome. They're mind blowing. Several of them are pretty 1844 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:39.479 well known a lot in the big communities, such as 1845 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:46.680 Ronald J. Moorehead also known for Sierra Sounds. Let's see, 1846 01:48:46.760 --> 01:48:53.319 we have Valdemart Galvan Jr. Which he is uh for 1847 01:48:53.600 --> 01:48:56.600 Native American from out of Texas. Uh So he's taking 1848 01:48:56.600 --> 01:49:00.920 a flight up here. Yeah, oh yeah, in Baltimore. They'll 1849 01:49:00.960 --> 01:49:03.119 actually be staying here in my house. So that'll be cool. 1850 01:49:03.159 --> 01:49:04.039 They'll be camping out here. 1851 01:49:04.079 --> 01:49:07.079 And yeah, you wanna regret that? 1852 01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:09.359 Why you say that? 1853 01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:12.399 Because I'm gonna be raiding your fridge the whole time 1854 01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:12.880 I'm there. 1855 01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:16.760 That's why I That's why I keep my forty five 1856 01:49:16.840 --> 01:49:18.439 locking and loaded right here next to me. 1857 01:49:21.760 --> 01:49:24.279 I'm gonna be thinking there's a bear in there, especially 1858 01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:25.560 whenever I start snoring. 1859 01:49:26.960 --> 01:49:29.039 Oh no, my store and might wait to keep you up, 1860 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:33.880 I'll have to set you on the back porch. So 1861 01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:39.720 let's see, uh we have I'm gonna tell you we 1862 01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:42.399 have a lot of people come from North Carolina. Two 1863 01:49:42.439 --> 01:49:44.279 of our speakers that come from North Carolina, but we 1864 01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:50.079 have a crowd that's following them. We have doctor Kimberly McGeorge, 1865 01:49:50.920 --> 01:49:55.119 and we have Darby or Cut. Darby or Cut. He 1866 01:49:55.479 --> 01:49:58.239 is a he doesn't like me to refer to him 1867 01:49:58.239 --> 01:50:00.920 as a professor, but he is a teacher on the 1868 01:50:00.960 --> 01:50:05.479 staff at the North Carolina State University. He'll be he'll 1869 01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:09.760 be bringing the science into our you know, he's it's oddy. 1870 01:50:10.600 --> 01:50:14.159 Me and him been on several discussions and actually me 1871 01:50:14.159 --> 01:50:15.720 and him are getting together a second week ind in 1872 01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:18.359 May to do some exploring field work. He wants to 1873 01:50:18.600 --> 01:50:22.479 get out there and watch me because originally he reached 1874 01:50:22.479 --> 01:50:25.039 out to me. You know, I guess you know there's 1875 01:50:25.079 --> 01:50:26.920 people that follow you, and you don't know it till 1876 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.680 they contact you and say, look, I've been following you. 1877 01:50:29.760 --> 01:50:31.359 I've been watching you. I like how you go about 1878 01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:34.039 doing things. I want to see you do it in persons. 1879 01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:37.079 I said, okay, cool. So so he's been trying to 1880 01:50:37.119 --> 01:50:39.279 arrange there with me for the longest time. I was like, well, 1881 01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:43.399 because I've been busy working, you know, so I'm trying 1882 01:50:43.399 --> 01:50:44.279 to make some time for him. 1883 01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:47.560 Normal things we all have to do as well, you know, 1884 01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:52.840 we all have to have day jobs. Yeah, family and 1885 01:50:53.199 --> 01:50:56.319 the rest of that stuff as well. I mean regularly, 1886 01:50:56.479 --> 01:50:59.880 normally during the daytime, you can find me on the 1887 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:03.359 tube and on the train, zipping on London, you know, 1888 01:51:03.600 --> 01:51:08.880 with the millions, with my headphones on, quietly listening to 1889 01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:12.680 some sort of cryptosology in for your confidence. That's all, yeah, 1890 01:51:13.279 --> 01:51:17.359 pretending that I'm somewhere else. So it's just, you know, 1891 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:21.000 that's just a wonderful life. I think it all sounds great. 1892 01:51:21.119 --> 01:51:24.359 I'm super happy to do it, and yeah, I'm really 1893 01:51:25.279 --> 01:51:27.439 I feel privileged. Thank you for inviting me. 1894 01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:30.000 Absolutely, And if you're able to bring and bring the 1895 01:51:30.079 --> 01:51:32.800 family with you, you know, this is what you know. 1896 01:51:33.319 --> 01:51:34.800 I know it is easy. You said that done. I 1897 01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:37.840 know that's not always possible, but uh, you know, as 1898 01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:40.000 far as our event we do, we do try to 1899 01:51:40.079 --> 01:51:42.800 ensure that let everybody know our events our family oriented, 1900 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:46.760 and you know we always try to accommodate two younger 1901 01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:49.399 you know, the younger audience that you know, there's all 1902 01:51:49.439 --> 01:51:52.000 the stuff for the younger audience, you know, uh, to 1903 01:51:52.039 --> 01:51:57.600 to participate in, you know. So yeah, great experience for 1904 01:51:57.680 --> 01:51:58.640 the whole family as well. 1905 01:51:58.840 --> 01:52:02.479 So, I mean, my kids love it. What's that say? 1906 01:52:04.079 --> 01:52:05.199 You get here next year? 1907 01:52:05.279 --> 01:52:05.880 Do you drink? 1908 01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:11.640 I don't drink. So I gave him drinking nine years ago. 1909 01:52:12.000 --> 01:52:14.600 And I'm from an Irish background from Wales, so I 1910 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:17.159 live in England now. And the whole joke is that 1911 01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:21.319 I didn't move to England. I was deported for not drinking. 1912 01:52:23.159 --> 01:52:25.399 I'm three quarter Irish. I was going to see who 1913 01:52:25.439 --> 01:52:26.840 to drink who under the table? 1914 01:52:27.199 --> 01:52:29.039 No, I mean in the old days, I would have 1915 01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:31.960 I would have faced that challenge for sure. But I 1916 01:52:32.039 --> 01:52:34.359 don't drink. I haven't drunk fun nine years. Not a drop. 1917 01:52:35.319 --> 01:52:38.800 I'll buy a Sodi pop when you get thank you drink. 1918 01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:42.239 Coffee if you've got some nice coffee there. I definitely 1919 01:52:42.239 --> 01:52:43.359 would like to try that out. 1920 01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.000 Hey Daniel, we need to get some squad coffee. 1921 01:52:46.840 --> 01:52:51.039 Oh yeah, I love that. I love that I've only 1922 01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:54.199 tried one kind. When you know there's only one kind 1923 01:52:54.199 --> 01:52:55.840 I ever tried, I have to tried the other kind. 1924 01:52:56.039 --> 01:52:58.119 The one kind I had was a really dark roast, 1925 01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:01.640 which is only like a dark It was okay, but 1926 01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:03.399 it was a little dark, too dark for me. 1927 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:07.479 Put hair on my chest. 1928 01:53:08.439 --> 01:53:08.600 You know. 1929 01:53:08.920 --> 01:53:11.800 There's some strong coffee and I drink what's it called 1930 01:53:12.920 --> 01:53:16.840 the Italian went over the Russa, but I mean Israel. 1931 01:53:17.000 --> 01:53:23.119 Sometimes visiting my wife's family, brother in law have to 1932 01:53:23.159 --> 01:53:25.000 make me a Turkish coffee, which is just kind of 1933 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:28.920 a like a shot, like an Espresso stars shot, but 1934 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:30.760 they keep the coffee grounds in there, so you have 1935 01:53:30.840 --> 01:53:34.000 to stop just before you get to the end. Will 1936 01:53:34.119 --> 01:53:36.840 keep you going all day and all night. You don't 1937 01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:40.359 have to return for any more coffee that's strong if 1938 01:53:40.399 --> 01:53:41.359 it doesn't give you a headache. 1939 01:53:41.399 --> 01:53:43.880 That is. My buddy Mike might know what that's like 1940 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:48.479 because his his sister, well, his sister's married to a 1941 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:53.600 guy he's from. He's he's from Israel, Israeli. They used 1942 01:53:53.600 --> 01:53:55.840 to they used to live in Long Island, New York. 1943 01:53:55.960 --> 01:53:58.279 Now they're in California. That makes it. 1944 01:53:58.600 --> 01:54:01.079 I mean, I think up it. We tried to get 1945 01:54:01.079 --> 01:54:04.960 there once a year to see family, oh that way, 1946 01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:06.640 but you know, once a year, once every year and 1947 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.000 a half, if not for a couple of weeks. And 1948 01:54:09.039 --> 01:54:11.800 it's just great. The people are great. The food is 1949 01:54:12.920 --> 01:54:16.399 out of this world. Even the road services have awesome food. 1950 01:54:16.880 --> 01:54:17.159 Wow. 1951 01:54:17.960 --> 01:54:21.800 And it's unheard of that they're just I did I 1952 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:24.000 like them. I'm biased, of course I married one, but 1953 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:26.079 I do like the people. 1954 01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:32.600 That's awesome. Well, who knows one day I might get 1955 01:54:32.640 --> 01:54:33.720 to travel like that, you know. 1956 01:54:35.800 --> 01:54:37.520 Yeah, I mean it's a bit further along for you, 1957 01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:41.000 I understand, you know. And then where I am I 1958 01:54:41.119 --> 01:54:45.840 because about five hours daughter or here. But yeah, you 1959 01:54:45.840 --> 01:54:47.760 should definitely do it because it would be It's a 1960 01:54:47.840 --> 01:54:51.199 surprising place and it's it's also welcoming. 1961 01:54:54.319 --> 01:54:57.840 Awesome. How about you, Zach before we jump off here, 1962 01:54:58.079 --> 01:54:59.479 you have anything you want to throw out there? 1963 01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:07.840 Well, this one just got scheduled. On the last week 1964 01:55:09.840 --> 01:55:14.399 July twenty seventh, in crab Orchard, Illinois, six pm to 1965 01:55:14.560 --> 01:55:20.319 eight pm, the first annual crab Orchard Bigfoot Seminar will 1966 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:25.840 be taking place, and yours truly will be the keynote 1967 01:55:25.880 --> 01:55:27.079 speaker for the seminar. 1968 01:55:28.279 --> 01:55:29.680 Cool Man. 1969 01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:33.359 It's free to the public. Everyone's welcome to come on out. 1970 01:55:34.279 --> 01:55:37.039 It's the crab Orchard Public Library. If you check it 1971 01:55:37.119 --> 01:55:43.319 out on the Crypti CSI page, my personal page on Facebook, 1972 01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:46.560 and then on the Southern Illinois Monsters page. You've got 1973 01:55:46.600 --> 01:55:51.600 three places to get updates for the seminar. Hey, everybody's 1974 01:55:51.680 --> 01:55:56.920 welcome to come out. I will be having Q and 1975 01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.479 a meet and greet and the seminar, and I'll have 1976 01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:05.720 the seminar in between both of those. I am starting 1977 01:56:05.800 --> 01:56:10.880 to sell some merchandise. I just got my first batch 1978 01:56:11.039 --> 01:56:15.600 of car decals made and then I'll be selling those 1979 01:56:15.720 --> 01:56:19.199 for about maybe five bucks a pop. If you want 1980 01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:21.960 to get a card decal, get a hold of me 1981 01:56:22.880 --> 01:56:27.319 and we'll work something out. Be sure to check out 1982 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.479 the new book that come out that I'm featured in 1983 01:56:31.000 --> 01:56:35.239 that was co authored by John Stamey and Matt delf 1984 01:56:35.399 --> 01:56:39.560 called Lizard Man Bigfoot in Friends. My moth Man encounter 1985 01:56:39.760 --> 01:56:42.840 is featured in that book, so be sure to check 1986 01:56:42.920 --> 01:56:45.920 that out. Be sure to check out the Southern Illinois 1987 01:56:46.039 --> 01:56:49.479 Monster Hunters. We're picking up and businesses picking up. As usual, 1988 01:56:50.960 --> 01:56:54.159 business is picking up here in my research area. We're 1989 01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:58.359 hot on the trail and the trail is we're but 1990 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.760 like I said, business is picking up. I expect us 1991 01:57:01.760 --> 01:57:03.119 to have a pretty good year this year. 1992 01:57:03.840 --> 01:57:08.560 Very awesome, very awesome. And one more thing I want 1993 01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:11.119 to remind everybody make sure you mark your calendar because 1994 01:57:11.199 --> 01:57:16.600 next month, April twenty first down in Harlan, Kentucky at 1995 01:57:16.640 --> 01:57:19.399 one hundred to ten River Street at the Extension Depot 1996 01:57:21.479 --> 01:57:26.720 is the first annual Harlan, Kentucky cryptocon In, which is 1997 01:57:27.760 --> 01:57:32.000 hosted and organized by mister Jimmy Blanton. This is a 1998 01:57:32.119 --> 01:57:36.720 well put together event. Jimmy Blanton is actually joined by 1999 01:57:37.239 --> 01:57:44.520 Miss Jennifer McDaniels, which she's been a major, major, big 2000 01:57:44.600 --> 01:57:50.000 part of this, helping organize this. And like I said, 2001 01:57:50.039 --> 01:57:52.000 this is a one day event, which I think they 2002 01:57:52.079 --> 01:57:54.720 already decided to turn next year into a two day event. 2003 01:57:55.199 --> 01:57:59.000 It's already turned out so big already they will be 2004 01:57:59.079 --> 01:58:05.359 expecting a very nice turnout. And not just this event 2005 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:07.760 it's taking place, but I will be down there. I 2006 01:58:07.840 --> 01:58:10.000 am actually one of the sponors, one of the featured 2007 01:58:10.279 --> 01:58:14.760 UH speech speakers at this event. So that's something that 2008 01:58:14.840 --> 01:58:17.359 I'm excited about and looking forward to. Me and my 2009 01:58:17.479 --> 01:58:21.560 daughter will be traveling down there next month, so it's 2010 01:58:21.600 --> 01:58:23.159 not too far away, about a five and a half 2011 01:58:23.199 --> 01:58:28.840 hour drives. So yeah, April twenty first, and Harlan Kentucky 2012 01:58:29.479 --> 01:58:32.960 is the Harlan Kentucky Cryptocon. This is the first annual. 2013 01:58:34.159 --> 01:58:36.880 A lot of people, I do want to clarify because 2014 01:58:37.560 --> 01:58:40.119 there is a couple of different conferences that do take 2015 01:58:40.159 --> 01:58:44.960 place in Kentucky. I know one is the one that Andy, 2016 01:58:45.039 --> 01:58:47.560 You'll be attending, the crypt the is it crypto or 2017 01:58:47.600 --> 01:58:49.640 cryptocon Cryptic Con. 2018 01:58:50.119 --> 01:58:53.439 Yeah, that's right, Cryptic crypt of September. 2019 01:58:54.399 --> 01:58:56.199 Okay, yeah, because that one there is I think in 2020 01:58:56.319 --> 01:59:01.479 Frank Frankfort, Kentucky. That's right, Yes, that's it. Okay, Yeah, 2021 01:59:01.520 --> 01:59:03.560 because I know I'm familiar with a couple who are 2022 01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:06.520 who do that, because that's that's a very big event 2023 01:59:06.640 --> 01:59:07.680 that takes place every year. 2024 01:59:08.880 --> 01:59:11.880 There's such nice people as well, actually, and I think 2025 01:59:12.479 --> 01:59:16.159 there's a few good faces there too. Then to God 2026 01:59:16.239 --> 01:59:23.000 Freeze there seth Breed Love. Well, yeah, I'm gonna have 2027 01:59:23.079 --> 01:59:26.720 to I'm gonna have to make sure I don't uh 2028 01:59:29.119 --> 01:59:35.600 fan him, you know. Yeah, if I get a meeting. 2029 01:59:36.239 --> 01:59:40.680 Yes, Seth Britta love him and his wife just had 2030 01:59:41.199 --> 01:59:43.119 just had their first baby not long ago. 2031 01:59:43.279 --> 01:59:45.760 Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. So. 2032 01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:52.119 That's pretty cool. Oh, I think one of my sponsors, 2033 01:59:52.399 --> 01:59:55.239 one of my sponsors will be there. Also my speakers. 2034 01:59:55.279 --> 01:59:57.680 I got one of my speakers will be there as well. 2035 01:59:57.800 --> 02:00:01.319 I believe if I'm not mistaken, the Ohio and night Stalkers. 2036 02:00:02.119 --> 02:00:07.560 Uh huh, Mike Miller and Mike Feldner of the Ohio 2037 02:00:07.720 --> 02:00:08.279 night Starkers. 2038 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:12.920 Yeah, I think they haven't. I haven't announced everybody yet. 2039 02:00:13.000 --> 02:00:17.079 They haven't announced me, although they booked me, I'm not 2040 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:22.079 on the list yet. A nice if it looks like 2041 02:00:22.159 --> 02:00:24.199 a nice hotel and lives part of the country to 2042 02:00:24.319 --> 02:00:28.079 be in. But that whole time that I'm over there. 2043 02:00:28.119 --> 02:00:33.279 So I'm arriving in Portland, Maine for the International Disordity Conference. 2044 02:00:33.960 --> 02:00:42.239 Then I'm flying down to ah flying down to Lake Champlain, Vermont. 2045 02:00:42.319 --> 02:00:45.439 I think we'll I'll be spending it most of the 2046 02:00:45.520 --> 02:00:51.800 week with Katielizabeth the Champlain does the Champa champions and 2047 02:00:51.920 --> 02:00:55.960 then I'm flying down to Frankfort or Lexington first in 2048 02:00:56.079 --> 02:00:58.279 Kentucky to do the conference in Frankfort. So it's going 2049 02:00:58.319 --> 02:01:00.920 to be a nice the visit. 2050 02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:02.159 Very awesome. 2051 02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:06.159 Gum, you ain't gonna be that far from me, then, son. 2052 02:01:06.439 --> 02:01:10.199 Well, what's in Frankfurt? Oi in for months? 2053 02:01:10.720 --> 02:01:12.840 Frankfurt, Kentucky is where they have grypt had gone. 2054 02:01:13.279 --> 02:01:14.319 You have to come along. 2055 02:01:17.760 --> 02:01:21.159 Yeah, you goes there, Zach. How far is that from you? 2056 02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:26.079 Four hours? That's funny, that's just on the other side 2057 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:26.680 of Louisville. 2058 02:01:27.840 --> 02:01:31.600 Listen, I spent longer than four hours trying to get 2059 02:01:31.600 --> 02:01:33.439 home in the tube some days of the delays. 2060 02:01:33.560 --> 02:01:38.439 You can come, that is, my truck will make it. 2061 02:01:41.600 --> 02:01:44.439 Well if you do, I mean, you know, other things 2062 02:01:44.600 --> 02:01:47.720 allowing if you do happen to find yourself there, I'd 2063 02:01:47.760 --> 02:01:51.000 be very happy to buy you beer with my coffee 2064 02:01:51.039 --> 02:01:52.920 and shake your hand. It'd be nice to meet you. 2065 02:01:53.600 --> 02:01:56.880 I drink that beer. I'd be drinking your coffee right afterwards. 2066 02:01:57.600 --> 02:01:57.840 Yeah. 2067 02:02:00.079 --> 02:02:07.920 Also tomorrow now, well tomorrow mark uh, thirteen years me 2068 02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:11.239 being in cryptozoology thirteen fourteen years. But it's also my 2069 02:02:11.319 --> 02:02:12.479 birthday tomorrow. 2070 02:02:12.840 --> 02:02:15.880 Oh happy birthday. Well what age are you reaching? 2071 02:02:16.720 --> 02:02:22.960 Twenty three? And how old would it be tomorrow twenty three? 2072 02:02:23.600 --> 02:02:27.119 Oh? So yeah, he's he's just a baby. 2073 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:32.560 Yes, I know, I'm a baby, Daniel, ain't I. 2074 02:02:35.079 --> 02:02:36.359 That's his real voice. Andy. 2075 02:02:39.279 --> 02:02:44.520 Now I'm gonna because it's going to be your twenty birthday, 2076 02:02:44.720 --> 02:02:50.520 I want to tell you something. So and this is 2077 02:02:50.600 --> 02:02:52.560 going to sound patronizing, but that's not the way I 2078 02:02:52.680 --> 02:02:55.119 mean it at all in any way. So when I 2079 02:02:55.319 --> 02:03:01.079 was twenty, in every way which I mean that, I 2080 02:03:01.199 --> 02:03:04.520 was what I thought it means to be a man completely. 2081 02:03:05.600 --> 02:03:08.680 And now it's like almost forty two orthouse years later, 2082 02:03:09.239 --> 02:03:12.000 twenty one years later, almost I realized it was a 2083 02:03:12.039 --> 02:03:12.760 complete ruse. 2084 02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:14.399 You know, just do what you want. 2085 02:03:14.640 --> 02:03:18.680 Don't think about that stuff about what society says it's 2086 02:03:18.680 --> 02:03:22.880 supposed to be, because it's it's just rubbish. Just be you. 2087 02:03:23.359 --> 02:03:26.319 And you're probably already doing that already, obviously you are. 2088 02:03:26.399 --> 02:03:30.319 But for me, you know, it's a long time to 2089 02:03:30.439 --> 02:03:34.199 realize that you don't have to be that template, you know, 2090 02:03:34.399 --> 02:03:38.920 of whatever a man's supposed to be. So, yeah, it's 2091 02:03:38.960 --> 02:03:44.239 really nice. And those other twenty one years came very quickly. 2092 02:03:44.359 --> 02:03:47.239 I don't know if you feel the same day or well, 2093 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:51.560 how old you for forty two next month? 2094 02:03:52.119 --> 02:03:56.520 I think eight? Now you're just a few years older. 2095 02:03:56.560 --> 02:03:58.680 Than me. I just turned thirty eight on the twenty fifth. 2096 02:03:58.960 --> 02:04:01.760 Yeah, I said, you're one hundred and thirty eight old man. 2097 02:04:02.359 --> 02:04:06.039 Okay, why because I showed more gray hair than most? 2098 02:04:09.319 --> 02:04:10.760 No comment. I believe the fifth. 2099 02:04:11.520 --> 02:04:16.199 Take the fifth every time. And if that doesn't look 2100 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:22.439 you take a second. So no, I mean, yeah, it's 2101 02:04:22.520 --> 02:04:24.640 just one of those things. You don't. I don't feel 2102 02:04:24.920 --> 02:04:28.039 any older just I look it. 2103 02:04:33.159 --> 02:04:37.000 Oh man, we'll tell you what. I've had a lot 2104 02:04:37.039 --> 02:04:40.640 of fun tonight too. This has been a great discussion 2105 02:04:40.920 --> 02:04:44.279 and a lot of great information too. And I really 2106 02:04:44.680 --> 02:04:46.920 like your standpoint in view on a lot of things 2107 02:04:46.960 --> 02:04:50.920 here that we discussed tonight. Man, I would love to 2108 02:04:51.000 --> 02:04:54.840 do this again very soon. And a lot of times, Andy, 2109 02:04:54.920 --> 02:04:56.960 we usually when we do open we do a lot 2110 02:04:57.000 --> 02:05:00.399 of open discussions. Okay, We'll have a lot times. We'll 2111 02:05:00.399 --> 02:05:02.920 have several of us on on the panel here and 2112 02:05:03.159 --> 02:05:07.600 we all jump in talk and discuss things. And it's 2113 02:05:07.640 --> 02:05:10.239 awesome when different people, you know, bring different things, and 2114 02:05:10.359 --> 02:05:13.560 it kind of and all gets everybody thinking if it's 2115 02:05:13.600 --> 02:05:16.119 something we never thought about before. Because I always got 2116 02:05:16.199 --> 02:05:17.960 a I always got a notepad right here. I'm always 2117 02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:21.039 jotting stuff down information because it gives me something to 2118 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:25.399 look into or you know, consider, And uh, I'm all 2119 02:05:25.399 --> 02:05:28.560 about taking notes and writing down information to either share 2120 02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:30.680 it or passing along or looking into it, whatever it 2121 02:05:30.760 --> 02:05:34.159 may be. But so, yeah, it's good stuff. I really 2122 02:05:34.319 --> 02:05:36.600 enjoy you know, I love doing these you know, you know, 2123 02:05:37.000 --> 02:05:39.520 these shows interviews or whatever you want to call them. 2124 02:05:39.600 --> 02:05:42.880 So and it does reach out to a lot of 2125 02:05:42.960 --> 02:05:45.319 people and so and a lot of people will appreciate 2126 02:05:45.359 --> 02:05:49.319 what we get on here to discuss because some of 2127 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:52.960 what we do. A lot of these other shows don't 2128 02:05:53.000 --> 02:05:56.359 always get into explaining, you know, sharing. A lot of 2129 02:05:56.439 --> 02:05:58.560 them are just sharing stories, you know, which we do 2130 02:05:58.680 --> 02:06:01.760 all that too, which that's Yeah. People get a mixture, 2131 02:06:01.840 --> 02:06:05.760 they get a combination of storytelling and then research, you know, 2132 02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:08.720 a commination of it all in one little glove. Sung. 2133 02:06:09.359 --> 02:06:12.159 I like the stories, but I'm absolutely interested in the 2134 02:06:12.239 --> 02:06:18.560 psychological side of it as well, how we present Oh yeah, 2135 02:06:19.560 --> 02:06:22.760 why we think we're seeing what we think we're seeing, 2136 02:06:22.880 --> 02:06:27.279 or why people think that. And then great at this 2137 02:06:27.439 --> 02:06:29.479 kind of forum is great to discuss. 2138 02:06:29.199 --> 02:06:33.319 That absolutely absolutely so well. 2139 02:06:34.199 --> 02:06:37.159 Yeah, five fifteen am at the moment, Oh. 2140 02:06:37.199 --> 02:06:43.079 Yeah, yeah, yep, you're five hours ahead of us. Yes, 2141 02:06:43.520 --> 02:06:43.920 it's good. 2142 02:06:43.960 --> 02:06:46.880 It's every bit's been worth it. Listen, guys, thank you 2143 02:06:47.079 --> 02:06:49.039 so much for putting me on. And in a couple 2144 02:06:49.039 --> 02:06:50.680 of months, if you're happy to have you back, I'd 2145 02:06:50.720 --> 02:06:51.479 love to do it again. 2146 02:06:52.039 --> 02:06:55.680 Oh absolutely, most definitely before long. I do want to 2147 02:06:56.319 --> 02:07:00.199 organize another you know, like I said, open discussion podcast. Well, 2148 02:07:00.840 --> 02:07:02.479 like I said, we'll have quite a few of us. 2149 02:07:03.399 --> 02:07:06.119 I know, one in particular you I think you really 2150 02:07:06.239 --> 02:07:12.399 like is Baltimore Pudomar Gallon Jr. Yes, yeah, sometimes. Another 2151 02:07:12.479 --> 02:07:15.399 one is Uh she's been on with us once before. 2152 02:07:15.880 --> 02:07:18.640 She's her and her partner. They're also one of our speakers, 2153 02:07:19.920 --> 02:07:23.880 Jen Cruse, she's one of from the She Squatchers, uh 2154 02:07:24.159 --> 02:07:30.920 Big Tricky Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, you got yeah 2155 02:07:31.119 --> 02:07:35.720 She Squatches. You've got Jen Cruse and Jen Drover. Yeah yeah. 2156 02:07:35.720 --> 02:07:38.119 They'll be attending this year's event as well. And uh 2157 02:07:38.640 --> 02:07:42.000 they actually they have a big radio show, uh, The 2158 02:07:42.119 --> 02:07:46.600 Journey Radio, which is awesome, well put together show. I 2159 02:07:46.800 --> 02:07:49.319 was recently on there. And tell you what, those girls, 2160 02:07:50.239 --> 02:07:51.680 I mean, they're a lot of fun when it comes 2161 02:07:51.720 --> 02:07:54.079 to you know, they're doing their you know shows, and 2162 02:07:55.119 --> 02:07:58.039 they're very informative, a lot you know, you know, they 2163 02:07:59.600 --> 02:08:04.239 with the way they come about things, you know, depends 2164 02:08:04.279 --> 02:08:07.079 on your viewpoint of things. They kind of bring a 2165 02:08:07.159 --> 02:08:10.319 different I don't know what the right way to put this, 2166 02:08:10.439 --> 02:08:12.000 but they bring a different side to the you know, 2167 02:08:12.199 --> 02:08:15.359 a different plate to the table. You know. So it's 2168 02:08:15.399 --> 02:08:18.680 awesome with what they do, the experiences I've heard that 2169 02:08:18.760 --> 02:08:21.439 they had to hear them talk about it, it's awesome. So, 2170 02:08:22.680 --> 02:08:24.840 but there's so much to learn from all other people 2171 02:08:24.880 --> 02:08:27.520 out there, just to hear what they experience and how 2172 02:08:27.560 --> 02:08:28.319 they view things. 2173 02:08:29.039 --> 02:08:33.119 That's my whole view in it. That's my time philosophy 2174 02:08:33.199 --> 02:08:36.920 under the whole thing. I can't possibly know everything or 2175 02:08:36.960 --> 02:08:39.760 even part of it. So let's find out what people. 2176 02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:43.439 Know absolutely, And anybody that's listening that has not been 2177 02:08:43.479 --> 02:08:45.119 on here before, if you want to get on here 2178 02:08:45.159 --> 02:08:48.439 and speak your mind, share and discuss with us, contact me, 2179 02:08:48.720 --> 02:08:52.880 contact Zach, let us know and we'll let we'll arrange it. 2180 02:08:52.880 --> 02:08:55.079 We'll get you guys on here. I mean, so a 2181 02:08:55.159 --> 02:08:57.479 lot of people that interact with us on the live chat, 2182 02:08:58.079 --> 02:09:00.640 you know, we invite you guys on here because a 2183 02:09:00.640 --> 02:09:02.439 lot of them, you know, they a lot of people 2184 02:09:02.479 --> 02:09:05.279 have a lot of great questions. Man, you know, and 2185 02:09:05.600 --> 02:09:08.439 also I have a lot of opinions and beliefs and views. 2186 02:09:09.000 --> 02:09:10.600 So yeah, if you want to get it on here, 2187 02:09:10.720 --> 02:09:14.239 don't be don't be ashamed, don't be scared. You can 2188 02:09:14.359 --> 02:09:16.119 hide your face like I do have the time. 2189 02:09:18.520 --> 02:09:20.680 You got to, you'll break your camera. 2190 02:09:21.199 --> 02:09:25.319 Oh well, right now they call me sasquatches, you know, 2191 02:09:25.319 --> 02:09:28.960 because all this face so ill. 2192 02:09:29.880 --> 02:09:34.000 That's my dream being, that's the goal. That's the gold. 2193 02:09:35.279 --> 02:09:37.479 Like Duck Dynasty if you're familiar with that show from 2194 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:38.159 the US here. 2195 02:09:41.199 --> 02:09:41.319 Or not. 2196 02:09:41.640 --> 02:09:43.760 So this is. 2197 02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:48.960 Huh because this is my maximum. That's as fun as 2198 02:09:48.960 --> 02:09:51.439 it comes. It doesn't go any further than that. Just 2199 02:09:52.640 --> 02:09:55.399 that's the whole thing. That's my mocustin. 2200 02:09:57.680 --> 02:10:00.359 You can always get a fake beard. I could be 2201 02:10:00.439 --> 02:10:00.760 it up. 2202 02:10:00.960 --> 02:10:02.520 I could be it up, but you know, I'm just 2203 02:10:02.640 --> 02:10:05.359 I'm just leaving it. I don't have to shave that often. 2204 02:10:05.479 --> 02:10:07.520 That's the plus that. 2205 02:10:07.640 --> 02:10:08.760 Is that is a good thing, man. 2206 02:10:09.560 --> 02:10:16.800 The plus my buddy hates that. Listen, you guys, I'm 2207 02:10:16.840 --> 02:10:18.760 going to say goodbye to it. Thank you so much, 2208 02:10:18.840 --> 02:10:21.880 and good luck with the conference if we don't speak before, 2209 02:10:21.920 --> 02:10:25.039 but pull me in on that discussion because I'd love 2210 02:10:25.079 --> 02:10:27.159 to do it. Anytime, just let me know even. 2211 02:10:28.600 --> 02:10:32.159 Oh yeah, oh come on all right, it sounds good 2212 02:10:32.239 --> 02:10:34.680 most definitely, and thank you again for coming on tonight. 2213 02:10:34.720 --> 02:10:38.319 This is awesome. Okay, happy to everybody, Absolutely the same 2214 02:10:38.399 --> 02:10:39.119 to you. Thank you,