WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.280 --> 00:00:08.359 I'm not talking about that on the air, okay, but yeah, yeah, yeah, 2 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:10.000 well yeah it's off ladder. 3 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:13.199 But hey, what's going to do? How much? Man? How 4 00:00:13.199 --> 00:00:17.719 are you doing? Doing good? Doing good? Yeah? I just 5 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:19.440 wanted to do well. 6 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:25.199 So we're literally recording about an hour after Trump and 7 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:28.920 JD events and Zelenski had a blow up in the 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:33.039 in the Oval office. And so just get people a 9 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.359 time frame for when we're recording this. And you know, 10 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.200 we have other stuff we can talk about, but you 11 00:00:39.240 --> 00:00:41.439 want to you've seen the video, you want to say 12 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:42.399 anything about what you saw? 13 00:00:43.119 --> 00:00:46.200 Well, I think, I mean, it was a little bit clownish, 14 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:49.880 but but the whole situation is clownish, right. This is 15 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.399 something that any serious person could have told you, you know, 16 00:00:55.000 --> 00:01:00.679 two years ago, like this was, uh, this guy was 17 00:01:00.679 --> 00:01:03.679 a puppet. It was literally an actor, a comedian who 18 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.799 got put in the presidency because people were watching too 19 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:10.640 much television inn stupid by you know, this this thieving 20 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:18.840 oligarch who basically wanted a front man, and he effectively 21 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.760 start at the war like you killed ten thousand people 22 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:27.599 in Novorossia by you know, like shoting them with moors 23 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:33.640 and you expected, you know, Vladimir putin for his own sake. 24 00:01:33.920 --> 00:01:38.599 He can't just let that slide because the people in 25 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.959 his country won't stand for it. You know this because 26 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:50.480 you've seen the example in Georgia. You know, when sex 27 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:54.359 Villi did basically the same thing, tried to join NATO. 28 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:57.400 John McCain showed up straight a bunch of crap up. 29 00:01:57.879 --> 00:02:01.079 You know, you have people in the United States Senate 30 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:05.879 like Lindsey Graham talking about how well, this is the 31 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:08.400 best money we've ever spent, because like we just get 32 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.759 to kill Russians and it's it's none of our troops 33 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:16.000 and it's just our I mean, it's cheap money. You know, 34 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.719 it's the most wonderful thing in the world. Dead Slavs. 35 00:02:18.800 --> 00:02:22.759 It's just my Jewish handlers just love it when Eastern 36 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.319 Europeans kill each other. It's the best thing in the 37 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:28.080 world to them, because they're still salty about a program 38 00:02:28.080 --> 00:02:31.599 that happened in sixteen forty eight. It's the most beautiful 39 00:02:31.599 --> 00:02:35.599 thing in the world. I mean, that's basically what this 40 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:44.120 guy's doing. And it's not like a clown show and 41 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:48.919 laughable and disgusting. This entire thing has been a disgusting mess. 42 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.319 You know, maybe because I've followed, you know, doctor Matthew 43 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:56.000 Rafiel Johnson for years. I knew all this stuff. But 44 00:02:56.080 --> 00:03:01.159 everybody in Washington should know this stuff. You should, you know, 45 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:03.240 if you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, you should 46 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:07.960 at least know why people don't like Russia. Why are 47 00:03:08.000 --> 00:03:10.560 all these gentile, pale of salmon Jews, like, why do 48 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:15.560 they hate Russia so much? Well? Why do they spit 49 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.840 when they hear the name babong Kimo Netsky? And then 50 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:24.039 you know, these are these are the people that I 51 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:31.159 have been running everything for what seventy years? You know, 52 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:38.080 the occupied government you always correctly talk about. Uh, is 53 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:45.759 anyone surprise it that Zelensky's this entitled little worm. I mean, 54 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.520 that's that's he's what he is. Why would you expect 55 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:50.240 anything different? 56 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.919 Well, I think one of the one of the interesting 57 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.319 parts of this is that, you know, if you listen, 58 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:03.360 if people listen to the three episodes Thomas and I 59 00:04:03.439 --> 00:04:09.960 did where he talked about Syrian Russian relations post Nuremberg, 60 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:13.800 I mean, you understand that this is basically the same war, 61 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.360 and that you know, you've already mentioned that this is 62 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:24.720 really about ethnic grievances from centuries ago. Trump treating Zelensky 63 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.360 like this, and if they just cut him off, he's 64 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.399 basically saying, we're not going to help you fight your 65 00:04:32.439 --> 00:04:36.319 wars anymore. So you know, you can make Trump out 66 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:39.279 to be a Zionist. Scott Horton calls him a Lakudnik, 67 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:45.720 but I mean he just basically spanked the an Apparatrick 68 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:54.040 for International Jewelry on you know, basically the world stage. 69 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:54.920 Live on national television, international television. 70 00:04:56.439 --> 00:04:59.199 I've always said this about Trump. I don't think Trump's 71 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:00.920 a Zionist because I don't think he knows what his 72 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:03.319 zionist is. And I think if you like gave him 73 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:05.920 a dictionary definition of Zionism, he'd be like, I don't know, 74 00:05:06.680 --> 00:05:09.199 that doesn't make any sense to me. He just seems 75 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:10.360 like that kind of guy. I think he's a guy 76 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:14.040 who likes Jews and likes Israel, and you know, his 77 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:17.240 family married Jews, and he's been dealing with Jews his 78 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.879 whole life in New York, and I think he likes 79 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.040 some Jews, and I think he just doesn't like this 80 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:27.959 at this international bullshit that he knows that his legacy, 81 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.600 if he if he ties it to his legacy, you know, 82 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.519 it's going to be it's going to taint it. 83 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.519 Well, he's already dealing, I mean, like like you and 84 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.800 Thomas said, you know, and he strongly hears people to 85 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.800 give it a listen, right, that the conflict in Israel 86 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.680 and the conflict or the conflict in Gaza in Israel 87 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:52.319 and the conflict in Ukraine are basically the same thing. 88 00:05:53.839 --> 00:06:01.519 They are attempts by the regime too, you know, to 89 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:09.639 stabilize enemies and gain territory. And once you understand that 90 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:15.439 that effectively, you know, Vladimir Putin's a lot of things. 91 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:20.079 No one, no one who's like a nice person gets 92 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:24.000 promoted colonel in East Germany in nineteen eighty seven, like 93 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:28.759 it just doesn't happen, you know, But he's but he's 94 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:32.120 a serious guy, and Russians are chess players, right, and 95 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:35.560 he knows the world system just as much as anybody. 96 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:39.560 And he saw that like the weakness of the world 97 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:42.279 system that was you know, freezing him, him and his 98 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.680 people out of you know, the national economy and making 99 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.079 them poor and trying to you know, undermine him at home, 100 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.959 like like okay, well I cannot attack on this part 101 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:54.759 of the board, but I can attack on this part 102 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:58.720 of the board, and so he supported the Syrians, and that, 103 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:01.839 you know, caused a bunch of problems for the regime, 104 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:10.439 and so they counterattacked in Ukraine. Right, because the central 105 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:18.920 central fact of Russian life is that the Volga River 106 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.120 that flows through Moscow and is basically the heartland river 107 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:27.800 of the Russian of European Russia, the way, like the 108 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:33.480 Mississippi is to the United States. That river empties into 109 00:07:33.600 --> 00:07:38.560 the Caspian, which is a landlocked lake that can't give 110 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:46.839 you access to world markets or allow you to have 111 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:51.920 a navy. That's why one of the first Russian capitals 112 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.120 was snofgarad In on the Baltic. Right, But the Baltic 113 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.560 is lousy because it's frozen part of the year, and 114 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.680 it's shallow, and it doesn't and you have to get 115 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.480 through the straits of in Denmark, I forget what they're called. 116 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:09.959 But you know, like you can't control that. There's all 117 00:08:09.959 --> 00:08:13.720 each other powers Sweden or Denmark or Norway or the 118 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:17.360 UK who might bottle you up in the Baltic or 119 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.199 the North Sea and keep you from or of course 120 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.040 you could go all the way to the Arctic Ocean. 121 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.240 And but that's you know, barely tenable because it's only 122 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:27.759 open a few months of the year. So the Russian 123 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:40.159 nation needed a access to the Black Sea that was 124 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:46.440 stable and year round, where they could conduct the international 125 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:55.759 trade and have a navy. And for them, that means 126 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:01.120 like they can't give up this festival in Carimea. They 127 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:05.000 can't give up the rost of you know, on the 128 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:14.440 southern Russian cities that they have to have those It's 129 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:18.240 a matter of life and death for Russia if their 130 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:22.200 economy is based off of exporting energy and agricultural products 131 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:26.279 mostly to places like India and Africa and elsewhere. Right, 132 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:29.080 they don't have the ability to do that. They're they're 133 00:09:29.080 --> 00:09:30.960 dead and dead in the water. They're going to starve 134 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.600 to death in the in the dark and in the cold. 135 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.039 So when the United States says we're going to threaten 136 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:42.759 that by making the Ukraine like an outright enemy of yours, 137 00:09:43.240 --> 00:09:50.039 is it any wonder that that they reacted negatively. I 138 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:51.679 mean they put the shoe on the other foot. If 139 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:55.440 the Mexican said, Hey, we're going to like work with 140 00:09:55.519 --> 00:10:02.120 the Cubans and uh, we're gonna take Puerto Rico from you, 141 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:09.600 and we're going to prevent you from exiting the Gulf 142 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:12.759 of America, like New Orleans is no longer like a 143 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:20.039 viable port for you. Like people would freak out, But 144 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.480 you won't be able to export grain down the Mississippi 145 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:28.120 through New Orleans and out to wherever, or energy or 146 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:32.519 whatever whatever else. Your LNG tankers won't make it from 147 00:10:32.600 --> 00:10:40.159 New Orleans to Rotterdam anymore. There'd be war. There'd be 148 00:10:40.200 --> 00:10:42.080 war the drop of a hat. You can't do that 149 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.360 to the United States, just like there was war when 150 00:10:45.399 --> 00:10:51.120 the United States basically prevented the Japanese from importing oil 151 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:56.720 and food, Like, what are they going to do in 152 00:10:56.799 --> 00:11:08.559 nineteen forty one? They have to And pretending that you know, 153 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.759 Zelensky is anything other than a puppet of the regime 154 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:22.600 is absurd. This is not complicated. I mean it is 155 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:27.159 sort of complicated in a way, but like if you 156 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:33.399 threaten people's lives, they react simple ass well. 157 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:38.639 I mean, just make it simple, yeah, I like, I 158 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:40.720 like to make things simple, just for my brain to 159 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:45.559 start with before I can jump off somewhere. I mean literally, 160 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:50.879 if you if you come into the administration, if you 161 00:11:50.919 --> 00:11:53.799 start your administration realizing with a whole bunch of people 162 00:11:53.799 --> 00:11:57.039 around you, who are like, if we don't start taking 163 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:00.679 care of ourselves and if we don't don't look after 164 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.360 our own interests, and even if those interests do become 165 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:07.399 like Monroe Doctrine type interests where you know, Central America, 166 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.879 South America, the you know, our our coast, our west coast, 167 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:18.480 especially maybe even Greenland. You have to trim the fat, 168 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:21.399 you have to cut the ties. And you know, I 169 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.919 honestly think that there are the reason why you've seen 170 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:32.159 so many of the you know, formerly hostile of a 171 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:37.960 certain formerly hostile members of a certain tribe basically changing 172 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:40.399 their tune is because they feel like they have to 173 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:45.720 because everything's falling apart and what they have is falling apart. 174 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:49.080 So yeah, just as you know, if you listen to 175 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:54.159 we're up to episode fifteen, we have seventeen recorded of 176 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.159 two hundred years together. You see this over and over again. 177 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:02.360 They're going to for a time, they will switch their 178 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:06.559 tune and the message will be very clear about how, 179 00:13:07.000 --> 00:13:09.320 oh we're in it with you guys, one hundred percent 180 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.480 and everything. So this is a time when you have 181 00:13:11.519 --> 00:13:13.320 to not only take advantage of it, but you have 182 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.240 to do everything you can, and especially in a time 183 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:19.320 when information can travel halfway around the world in a 184 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:22.279 half a second. This has to be a time to 185 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.879 not only take advantage of them doing this, but do 186 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.960 everything you can to push the narrative that they were 187 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.279 responsible for this in the you know, they were responsible 188 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:34.799 for a lot of this in the first place. 189 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:39.240 Right, Yeah, well, trumpet Trumpet ged advance, right, Solinski ged advance, 190 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.080 you know, arguing and then Trump saying, this is gonna 191 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:45.200 be hard to do business, like, we're thirty seven trillion 192 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:50.279 dollars in debt. Our military is not capable of going 193 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:53.840 up against the Chinese or the Russians and winning. The 194 00:13:53.919 --> 00:13:57.679 United States Navy is you know, twelve carrier groups that 195 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:04.559 are voting targets that can't actually attack. You know, those 196 00:14:04.600 --> 00:14:09.720 New York peer adversaries, they just get shot down. They're 197 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:14.159 billions of dollars that are just a hole in the water. So, 198 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:17.600 and whose fault is that we ended up here? Of 199 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.519 course everyone knows. And if you're listening to this program 200 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.120 and you're listening to me, you know whose fault it is. 201 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:26.879 But you know, one of the good ones, I guess, 202 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.039 Milton Friedman, Right, The system that works is the system 203 00:14:31.039 --> 00:14:34.080 that doesn't, you know, empower good people. It forces bad 204 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:36.480 people to do the right thing even though they don't 205 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:39.519 want to. So when Marco Ruby has changed his tune, 206 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:45.879 it's because he has to. There's there's no rescuing the 207 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:50.080 present order, like we just can't afford it anymore, you know, 208 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:55.960 like you can't have quote unquote unmanned planes where you know, 209 00:14:57.279 --> 00:15:01.799 they flip the side out, like like no more women pilots, sorry, 210 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.960 Like when when billionaires like, oh, I'm gonna die when 211 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:10.600 I get on my private plane if the pilot isn't like, 212 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:12.399 you know, a forty five year old white dude with 213 00:15:12.480 --> 00:15:13.600 a little bit of gray in his hair and it 214 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:17.399 looks like the aviators were welded on his face, Like 215 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:19.679 those are your choices. You have to empower the people 216 00:15:19.720 --> 00:15:24.360 actually cable of running the system and right, you know, 217 00:15:24.440 --> 00:15:27.840 for the last fifty years at least, it's just been like, 218 00:15:27.960 --> 00:15:31.600 let's just take from these people and add more and 219 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:37.039 more burdens on them and destroy them with drugs, with opiates, 220 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:41.759 with useless wars, with you know, super high taxes whatever. 221 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.279 That that's the well, we just can't carry it anymore. 222 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:52.200 We can't. And Zelenski is this, you know, this clownish 223 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:54.559 burden to the tune of how many billions of dollars 224 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:01.000 has been three? Some say three fifty, yeah, three and 225 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:02.600 fifty billion. Do you know what I could do with 226 00:16:02.879 --> 00:16:08.399 a tenth of that? You know, I could, I could 227 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:15.559 rebuild all of America with that much money. 228 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:22.279 Those days are over and really the you know, going 229 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:27.639 forward now what needs to be done? And you know, 230 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:31.840 what we saw yesterday was basically basically a clown show 231 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:38.039 where everyone knows that, you know, everyone knows what Jeffrey 232 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:43.720 Epstein was, you know, and anyone who's arguing against that 233 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:49.120 is arguing it's survival mode for them. You know. Even 234 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.320 even Dave Smith had a tweet yesterday where he said, 235 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.759 I'm starting to think the handing that handing the Masad 236 00:16:56.879 --> 00:16:59.279 Pedo files to a bunch of Zionists might not be 237 00:16:59.320 --> 00:17:01.320 the best way to get the truths of the public. 238 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:08.640 I mean, yeah, well, Dave, here's what happened, and you 239 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.680 know it, and I know it, and everybody knows it. 240 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:21.160 Your cousins used my tax money to coerce and abuse 241 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:26.880 kids that looked like my kids, like my daughters, into 242 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:31.119 blackmailing politicians that are supposed to be working for me, 243 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:37.720 into supporting a war that got kids that looked like 244 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:42.759 my kids killed in Iraq for no damn reason, and 245 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.720 then when they came home messed up. Your cousins sold 246 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:52.359 them drugs that killed them or ruined their lives. And 247 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:57.559 they've been doing it and running everything into the ground 248 00:17:58.240 --> 00:18:02.200 for the last at least half a century, more likely 249 00:18:02.359 --> 00:18:06.480 eighty years, but with the knife even number it at 250 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:13.960 nineteen fifty, say seventy five years this year. Okay, So Dave, 251 00:18:15.319 --> 00:18:20.720 when your family does this sort of thing, and to 252 00:18:20.880 --> 00:18:24.119 his credit, he talks about it until you do that, 253 00:18:24.319 --> 00:18:27.319 Until you talk about that the fact that we're occupied, 254 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:32.720 you're not dealing with reality. And what Zelensky was doing 255 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:34.920 was sitting in the White House saying, well, yeah, I 256 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:36.839 mean I have a natural right to occupy you, and 257 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:40.759 Donald Trump saying like, we don't have the money anymore 258 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.559 to afford to keep paying you guys. And he lost 259 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:51.039 his mind. He lost his mind in public. It's crazy 260 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:53.599 that anyone should conduct themselves like that in public. 261 00:18:55.680 --> 00:19:00.119 Well, we've been talking about an occupied government, and are 262 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:03.599 are for bearers? You know, used to use the term 263 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:08.279 zog back in the seventies and eighties, and get arrested 264 00:19:08.359 --> 00:19:13.640 and get their get their homes, not their compounds, which 265 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:19.599 is a propaganda word rated and their families, you know, 266 00:19:20.039 --> 00:19:24.000 killed like Randy Weaver who went and hid in the 267 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:28.200 woods because well people have seen him the shirt he 268 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:35.799 was wearing. This just has to end. And if you 269 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:44.400 are to believe that these documents will come out, most people, 270 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.079 I think have a tendency to believe that the reason 271 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.880 they're not coming out is because, oh, there are people 272 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.359 who don't want to be exposed as pedophiles and things that. No, 273 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:55.480 there are people who don't want to be exposed as 274 00:19:55.519 --> 00:20:01.319 traders to the country because the penalty for being a 275 00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:05.599 trader is being treated like who who are the last 276 00:20:05.640 --> 00:20:08.640 people who were who were killed for being executed for 277 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:11.279 being traders in this country? Were they the Rosenbergs. 278 00:20:11.880 --> 00:20:15.240 Well, that's the way we celebrate guenteenth. It's do Snithel 279 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:23.039 Rosenberg Day. That's why I celebrate Juneine anyway. But there's 280 00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:28.079 huge numbers of people, basically everyone in Congress but Thomas 281 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:31.680 Massey and maybe a couple others. Right, who have you 282 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:40.319 dug into it? The traders virtually the entire Democratic Party, 283 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:48.240 most of the Republican Party, they're traders. The USA d thing. 284 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:50.799 You know, Mike Ben's for all that he's done good 285 00:20:50.799 --> 00:20:56.680 work and talked about like he's he's steam Control. He's 286 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:58.440 trying to get people to be like, well it's bad, 287 00:20:58.519 --> 00:21:01.400 but you know, like no, no, no, no, it's just all bad. 288 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:02.440 It is. 289 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:06.559 He always is, he always has been meme, you know, 290 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.519 because even when he was Frame Game, he was trying 291 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.200 to direct you away from certain things. 292 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:17.240 Right yeah, well yeah, because because he's he's a member 293 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:19.240 of the tribe, and he was like, well, yeah, you 294 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:22.160 might have a point, but you know, Paul Gottfried were 295 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:26.279 ron Odon's like well, okay, so Paul gotfreiding, not on 296 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:28.680 run ons get to be in the last car out, 297 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:33.400 Like I don't know, like not my problem that this is. 298 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:37.759 You know, we were on the verge of nuclear war 299 00:21:40.039 --> 00:21:45.680 because Victoria Eland was salty about a program from three 300 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:54.599 hundred and seventy five years ago, Like that's insane, that's 301 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.799 like that's like me being mad about a nuclear like 302 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:02.880 like pushing us the edge of a nuclear or because 303 00:22:03.039 --> 00:22:07.279 like all over Cromwell like oppressed the Irish, Like yeah, 304 00:22:07.319 --> 00:22:09.640 I'm not happy about it. Yeah I don't like Cromwell. Yeah, 305 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:15.039 I don't think that he's a good guy. But nuclear war. 306 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.200 Well, you know, and I think people are people think 307 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:26.079 you're being hyperboblic with that. I don't. I don't think 308 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:31.400 most people realize just exactly how far and how hard 309 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.839 Putin was being pushed in the last in the last 310 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:43.359 year to react in a way that would They're trying 311 00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:46.000 to basically make him on the world some of them 312 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:48.480 are trying to make him on the world stage, you know, 313 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.880 look like, look like a maniac, because all they can 314 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:55.000 do is say he's a maniac. Oh, he invaded another country. Great, 315 00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.400 that's been happening. The whole, the whole of our existence 316 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:01.599 is one country and in another country, or one people's 317 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:05.319 retribe invading another. There's nothing new about that. But there 318 00:23:05.359 --> 00:23:07.680 are some who wanted to make them now, and there 319 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:12.799 were some. There are some who want us all to die. 320 00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:16.039 I mean they you know. There's a thread on Twitter 321 00:23:16.720 --> 00:23:21.720 that I shared yesterday and it shows it has in 322 00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:27.240 it a paper, a submitted paper, research paper by someone 323 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:28.920 who used to work at the NIH and had an 324 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:33.039 office right across from doctor Fauci, who said that COVID 325 00:23:33.079 --> 00:23:36.279 and the COVID vaccine were a masade plot to kill 326 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:43.519 a billion people. This was a legitimate, like medical paper, right. 327 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:46.559 You know, one of the reasons RFK was opposed is 328 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:49.400 he brought up the fact that that, you know, the 329 00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:56.400 COVID nineteen virus attacked whites and more than others ethnic 330 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:03.359 groups and didn't attack what Asians and Asconaji Jews, Asca 331 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:04.359 Jews and Asians. 332 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.720 Yeah. Right, so we're dealing with a bioweapon that was 333 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:21.559 there was again using my money, Anthony Fauci and members 334 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:27.720 of the tribe went to a racially hostile communist shithole. 335 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:35.920 Does it help us build a bioweapon to destroy our 336 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:42.759 own country in case they get mad at us for 337 00:24:42.839 --> 00:24:44.039 destroying their country? 338 00:24:46.119 --> 00:24:49.240 And notice, notice I'll just interrupt you for a second 339 00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:54.599 and I'll let you keep going Sephardic Jews, miss Racki Jews, 340 00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.160 all the other kinds of No, these are the galicians, 341 00:24:58.920 --> 00:25:01.680 these are the pale These are the palest settlement cheese 342 00:25:02.160 --> 00:25:07.359 who are responsible for this. They're they're targeting everyone else, Yes, 343 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:11.119 except the people who accept the people who help them 344 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:11.640 build it. 345 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:16.559 Yeah. And not only did they do that, but but 346 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:20.400 you know, the entire COVID operation was just just a 347 00:25:20.400 --> 00:25:22.480 bust out operation from goodfellows all you need to know 348 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.920 about politics is you know, watch enough mob movies and 349 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:27.240 understand that these people are just the difference between the 350 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:31.160 Columbos of the Genovese's and the Bushes and the Clintons 351 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:36.680 is who who cuts their suits. They're not any better 352 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.319 or you know, different people. They run rackets, they kill people. 353 00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:45.480 It's what they people do. Now, you know, Justin Stam 354 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.119 just wrote a really good book. But mafia power, like, 355 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:50.559 that's just how power works, not trying to trying to 356 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.400 sugarcoat or anything like. That's just this is just how 357 00:25:53.480 --> 00:26:01.400 the game is played. But okay, if the difference between 358 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:04.400 the Bushes and the Columbos is who cuts their suits, 359 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:13.640 then when they use these tactics, you shouldn't be surprised. 360 00:26:16.279 --> 00:26:20.440 So the COVID operation, it was just the bust out 361 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.440 seen from Goodfellas was it was, you know, because all 362 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:29.759 of these mom and pop restaurants where you know, they've 363 00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:32.000 got a restaurant, it's been in a family thirty years. 364 00:26:32.680 --> 00:26:37.920 They do a pizza place or maybe a diner or something. Right, 365 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:42.599 Dad runs grill, mom mom runs in front of the house. 366 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.440 Kids act as waiters or waitresses or busters or whatever, 367 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.599 and then they hire a few folks and then they've 368 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:51.599 got a family restaurant that you know, a dozen million 369 00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:54.640 dollars a year in revenue, and the building is worth 370 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:01.200 two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and you know, after 371 00:27:01.240 --> 00:27:04.039 expenses that the family makes a nice modest you know, 372 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:10.680 one hundred and ten grand or whatever. Well that family 373 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:12.319 has you know, the land and the building and the 374 00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:17.359 business worth millions of dollars in assets. And that person 375 00:27:17.440 --> 00:27:22.799 might not have you know, one hundred million dollars to 376 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.559 where they can you know, go up against uh, you know, 377 00:27:26.640 --> 00:27:30.279 the Walton family. But if a hundred of them get together, 378 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:32.880 they can they can go up against the Walton family 379 00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:36.319 and they might actually be able to get something that 380 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.920 they want because they have the capital to be actually, 381 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.799 you know, Thomas Jefferson not my favorite philosopher after I 382 00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:50.319 learned how the world actually works. But you know, property owners, yellman, 383 00:27:50.359 --> 00:27:53.839 property owners, whether the small restaurant people or small business people, 384 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:57.279 guys own a machine shop or something. If they have 385 00:27:57.440 --> 00:28:04.759 that money, they can stand up for them selves. And 386 00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:10.480 it doesn't matter if it's it's in Iraq or in Ohio. 387 00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:16.839 Coherent societies full of people who can stand up for 388 00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.920 themselves is the thing that the regime does not want. 389 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:25.200 That's why Springfield, Ohio got fluttered with all those Haitian 390 00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:28.079 refugees because they don't want you to be able to 391 00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.640 be in Springfield and look around Ohio and go, man, 392 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.079 we're getting screwed and we should do something about it. 393 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:35.960 They don't want you to be able to resist. 394 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:43.720 Yeah, they've created I I interviewed a gentleman that Jay 395 00:28:43.720 --> 00:28:49.400 Burden interviewed recently introduced me to named John Moody. And 396 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.000 he's a guy who he puts on events with Joel Salladson. 397 00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:56.599 Oh yeah, I think a lot. Yeah, it was a 398 00:28:56.599 --> 00:29:01.640 great John Moody. Oh thanks, Yeah, he's you already listen 399 00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:04.720 to the one I put up? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. 400 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:08.079 I mean he's a Kentucky guy, six kids, living on 401 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.240 twenty five acres, producing his own food. And you know, 402 00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.240 one of the one of the takeaways, one of the 403 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:16.720 things you can take away from that episode is yeah 404 00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:20.920 that you know was this malicious? Was it was it? 405 00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.640 You know, stupidity? Well, whatever it was. I mean, it 406 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:31.119 weakens people. It takes our strength away. It also takes 407 00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:36.559 away our our ability to rationalize. I mean, people can 408 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.559 say whatever they want about your lower testosterone, you know, 409 00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:44.519 weakening men and also making them more leftists, but it 410 00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:49.319 also damages you know, lower testosterone is shown to be 411 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:55.839 something that affects cognitive ability. So if you're taking away 412 00:29:55.880 --> 00:30:01.240 people's not only physical strength, but they're cognitive ability. You know, 413 00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:04.160 the argument can be made that a certain tribe doesn't 414 00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:09.799 the majority don't exhibit physical strength, but they still their 415 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:15.240 cognitive ability to rationalize and scheme and do things is 416 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.079 still there. Well, I mean they're that's even trying to 417 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:19.880 be taken away from them, that's trying to be taken 418 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.799 away from us. 419 00:30:21.599 --> 00:30:23.319 Right, well, because they don't want you and I to 420 00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:27.000 be able to argue with them. But why do you 421 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.880 think you got de monetized. It wasn't because you were wrong, 422 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.359 It's because they don't want to They don't want to 423 00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:40.000 have to deal with this this uh obnoxious Spaniard Like 424 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.480 Spaniards defeated his ones. We don't want these people to 425 00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.000 be a problem again. Take us money, take his wallet, 426 00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:53.920 take his coat, kick him out. That's what they did. 427 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:05.880 You know, Thomas should be a professor at the University 428 00:31:05.920 --> 00:31:13.519 of Chicago or the Ivy League or Oxbridge or like 429 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:23.759 a major like law, academic something, and to his great credit, 430 00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.079 he's built a life for himself outside of that after 431 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.480 the system took all that stuff away from him. But 432 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:35.240 if it was just pure ability, why isn't this guy, 433 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:40.519 you know, teaching at Harvard. Why isn't he teaching it 434 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:48.839 Yale or Princeton or University of Chicago or Stanford. Why not? Well, 435 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:51.680 because he's because he's against the system, and the system 436 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.640 was like, well, we don't want to give you a shot. 437 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:58.839 You'll make us look like fools. He did it anyway, 438 00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:04.599 but that's you know, they don't want us to be 439 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.960 able to organize because they know they've got a losing hand. 440 00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:11.640 You know, like, hey, do you want to be like 441 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:16.960 weak and dumb and dependent and not having an industry 442 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.119 in your country and not be able to get married 443 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:26.720 and not have any kids and be gay. That's not 444 00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:29.359 a real Like, that's like no one's gonna no one's 445 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:34.720 gonna sign up for that. I guess. 446 00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:41.039 More than what you would want, more than seeing the 447 00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:44.200 government fixed, and you know, seeing the deep state or 448 00:32:44.200 --> 00:32:49.279 the administrative state dismantled is And I'm not this isn't 449 00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.359 coming from a populous kind of standpoint is you want 450 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.319 to see people just making the decision that Okay, I 451 00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:59.160 can't rely upon these people, and I can't rely upon 452 00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:02.440 the system that's been built. I need to take care 453 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.640 of myself. I need to take care of me and 454 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:10.319 my family. And I think that there there are definitely 455 00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.440 you've seen since Trump started, you know, in twenty fifteen, 456 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.559 with his rhetoric. You know, if nothing else, Trump's just 457 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.880 a wrecking ball, and I think he's managed to help 458 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.119 a lot of people have a reset in their own mind, 459 00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:27.960 and you see more people being like, Okay, I'm going 460 00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:29.920 to have to do this on my own. We're going 461 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:32.680 to have to do this for ourselves. This is not 462 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:37.759 something that we can rely upon. And you know, to 463 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.880 those people, I know there was a lot made of oh, 464 00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.119 you know Trump, if you Trump is just he's going 465 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:44.960 to be a pressure release valve. If he's a pressure 466 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.039 release valve for people, those people are lost, and those 467 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.519 people they're just sheep and they need to be led. 468 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.519 So you need to step in and you need to 469 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:56.680 tell them how they need to live. I mean, after 470 00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.759 twenty twenty, anybody who thinks that the over only majority 471 00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:04.279 of people should be left to their own devices. I mean, 472 00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:07.400 you're you're not even in the game anymore. These people 473 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.519 need to be told how to live. And hopefully more 474 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:14.639 people when they're seeing what's happening and things like, you know, 475 00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:17.320 realizing oh the Epstein thing, No one's ever going to 476 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:18.599 pay for what Epstein did? 477 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:18.920 You know? 478 00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.199 It's like, well, then you can't rely on the government. 479 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.599 You have to start doing things for yourself. And we 480 00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:28.119 can do things for ourselves if we make that decision 481 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.320 instead of waiting around or fucking making excuses like the 482 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:34.519 Jews control everything, so I can't do anything with my life. Well, 483 00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.559 there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people 484 00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:40.400 who know what we know who are very successful. Why 485 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.719 are they very successful because they fucking try and don't 486 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:44.559 make excuses. 487 00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:50.360 Right. Well, it's there's a couple of things that you 488 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.400 mentioned there that I think are worth talking about. First 489 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:59.519 of all, right, Ken, organized guys can control ten million people, 490 00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:05.039 right and in the vast majority of people don't want 491 00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.480 to be free. It's too much work that if you 492 00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:14.280 still believe in like being free for the majority of 493 00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:19.880 people like, no, that's not what they want. They want 494 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.719 their beer cold and their football on, that's what they want. 495 00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:27.719 Which is fine, Like you can want that. Me personally, 496 00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:35.119 I want to be free, so I do what I do, and. 497 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.079 I, you know, to. 498 00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.360 Incur all these risks because I think it's worth doing 499 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:46.840 the truth. Now, with those two things in mind, the 500 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:50.440 only people who can actually deliver something where those people 501 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.400 who just want to just want to grill, want to 502 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.039 watch football, want the beer to be cold. The only 503 00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.840 way that those people can live decent lives is of 504 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:05.239 someone who cares about them is in charge. Right, people 505 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.920 who would flood their communities with opiates don't care if 506 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.199 those people like that, that's not good for those people. 507 00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:16.920 Destroying marriage is bad for those people. Making it so 508 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:21.599 they can't afford a house is bad for those people. Okay, well, 509 00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:26.800 how do we get things in such a way that 510 00:36:26.840 --> 00:36:28.880 we can be in charge? We can can have some 511 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:33.760 agency in our lives, and we can they start to 512 00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.360 change stakes. Well, I mean it starts with you know, 513 00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:41.920 the first rule of you know, getting in a group 514 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:46.559 of conflict. This have some pros reach out to the 515 00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.599 old glory club in an active club or so whoever 516 00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:51.159 it is that you feel most compelled to reach out 517 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.719 to reach out to them. Because the long wolf dies 518 00:36:55.760 --> 00:37:03.480 alone and if you know what we know, things aren't 519 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:08.880 gonna get better. Trump is trying to bring this in 520 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:13.079 for a control like landing gear is stuck and it's 521 00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.320 moving too fast, and Trump is trying to bring it 522 00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.440 in for a controlled landing. That's gonna hurt and gonna 523 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.000 break a bunch of stuff, but it might mostly be 524 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:33.599 intact and not kill everybody. Who is he going after? Usaid? Well, 525 00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:38.400 everything that they did was bad and evil, you know, 526 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:46.400 the entire useless you know, Shapequa industrial complex. Well, that's 527 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.519 just a money laundering operation for our enemies. Why why 528 00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.960 is it acceptable that there are tens of trillions of 529 00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.480 dollars of real estate that are just wasting in all 530 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.360 of our major cities where decent people could live and 531 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:10.039 work and have families. But why is that okay? Why 532 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:13.639 is that acceptable? Well? 533 00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.760 Oh, I think you know the answers to that. 534 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:22.840 Why, Yeah, you and I know most of people listening know, 535 00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.239 And the answer is, of course, that we live in 536 00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.679 an occupied government. And the first step to on occupying 537 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.039 that government is having enough people with some agency and 538 00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:38.719 some ability to do things in their lives recognize that 539 00:38:38.760 --> 00:38:44.199 occupation and start to organize against it. You know, you've 540 00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:49.960 done great work talking about elite theory. Well, you know, 541 00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:53.239 the first step to any political fight is having a 542 00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:54.320 lead on your side. 543 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.400 Yeah, if if the Old Glory Club was about populism, 544 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:05.079 we would just let anybody in. That's not what it's about. 545 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:08.800 And the sooner people figure that out, the better. I 546 00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:16.400 was listening to Steve Bannon on with Tim Dillon this morning. 547 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.880 I made it about twenty minutes. He's just all populism, 548 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.320 all populism. Oh, the people, this, people that, and we 549 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.599 had to do this that, you know, you know the people. 550 00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:28.840 This is a guy. 551 00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:31.760 Who acts like people will make the right decision if 552 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.760 you just give them the proper circumstances. That's where has 553 00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.559 that ever been shown? I mean, it's been proven wrong 554 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.960 in this country because you they had the chance to 555 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:45.920 be like, No, in eighteen eighty they had a chance. No, 556 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.079 we're not going to take We're not going to bring 557 00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:51.880 in this group of people who has been causing problems 558 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.880 throughout Eastern Europe for centuries. Oh no, we'll just let 559 00:39:55.920 --> 00:39:58.480 him in. Well yeah, we'll let him in. Yeah sure, 560 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.320 I mean so much of a problem that German Jews 561 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.519 who had been here for you know, eighty years prior, 562 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:07.119 wouldn't even let him into their golf clubs. They were like, 563 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.079 we think these people are these people are a problem. 564 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.119 But oh, okay, sure, yeah, well just all the pale, 565 00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:16.800 all the pale, all the galicians bring them in, Yeah. 566 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:21.639 All the pollocks. Well and I and here's the thing 567 00:40:21.679 --> 00:40:32.239 about Steve Bannon is he's lying and he knows, like 568 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:35.559 you know, he's lying. He knows that you know, he's lying, 569 00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:38.440 and he's doing it anyway, because this dude's ready viola, 570 00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:44.079 he's he's he's read it. Went back in the first administration, 571 00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:46.559 they were always like, oh, Steve Bannon reads this dangerous 572 00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:51.039 stuff like Carl Schmiden, Like he knows, he's you know, 573 00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.400 he's he's a former spook. There's no such thing as, 574 00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:57.559 of course, as a former spook, but you know, like 575 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:07.000 he knows. So why do you continue to talk about populism, Steve? 576 00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.599 Who's pulling your strings such that you think you have 577 00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.360 to justify yourself with like populism of you know, the 578 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:23.159 multi racial working class. Well, maybe I don't want to 579 00:41:23.159 --> 00:41:26.639 be solidaristic with people who aren't my people and don't 580 00:41:26.679 --> 00:41:30.119 share my interests and consistently vote against those interests whenever 581 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.239 they're given the chance and constantly take from me and 582 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.320 their entire middle class is a fabrication of federal government spending, 583 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.519 and they commit all the violent crime in our country. 584 00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.000 Maybe I don't want to be force to be solaristic 585 00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:47.760 with those people. And you know this. I know you 586 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:51.519 know this because you've worked for Bridebart when they touch 587 00:41:51.559 --> 00:41:55.679 it sort of, and in order to know where the 588 00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.800 line is and go right up to it, you have 589 00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:01.119 to know what's on the other side of the line. 590 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:07.119 Otherwise you would have blundered. You'd have blundered across it 591 00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.239 ages ago. So if you're constantly cap dancing on that line, 592 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.880 you have to know what's on the other side to 593 00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:21.320 not cross it. So why are you lying Steve well 594 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.519 Bright Bart? Because he's in Israel, born in America. 595 00:42:31.159 --> 00:42:33.960 I had Tom Lawongo on a week or a week 596 00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.559 and a half ago, and he I told him, I said, 597 00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.519 I want you to listen to this episode I did 598 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:41.599 with a you know guy who's a hedge fund manager, 599 00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.559 Ron Dodson, And I said, only you know. He talks 600 00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.000 in the beginning about how Trump negotiates and what those 601 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:55.280 yeah run Run's wonderful. He's going after O S O 602 00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.760 s I N T O S I N T on 603 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:03.079 Twitter this morning. You know, I told him, I said, listen, 604 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:05.199 listen to this about how Trump negotiates. And he got 605 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.079 past that and he started listening and he's like, you know, 606 00:43:08.079 --> 00:43:09.719 he listens to what we talked about right after that, 607 00:43:09.800 --> 00:43:12.480 and he he got with me and he said, I 608 00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.760 want to thank you for sharing that episode. And then 609 00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.159 he went on like a couple podcasts and actually mentioned 610 00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.920 the episode because what we talked about after that was 611 00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.559 that the fact that we're the age of consensus politics 612 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:31.559 is dead, which means that populism is dead. We are 613 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:36.639 not in nobody cares. Nobody really cares about what the 614 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:40.320 people wants anymore. It's about who's going to get power 615 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.599 and who's going to do a thing. And if Trump 616 00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.239 has proved anything by getting rid of you know, the 617 00:43:46.480 --> 00:43:50.199 cash cows too. You know, I said today with him 618 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:54.280 slapping down Zelenski was basically him slapping down, you know, 619 00:43:54.519 --> 00:43:58.760 a branch of international jewelry. Him cutting off a USAID 620 00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:04.039 is a way of basically defunding a branch of international jewelry. 621 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:09.480 And he's doing this without I mean, taking the puggles 622 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:13.280 in the City of London is is defunding, you know, 623 00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:18.760 like yeah, right, and Jews are just Jews are just 624 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:24.159 criminals like that, they're just mafiosi, right, be mean, he 625 00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:26.199 was a hard dude, but he's just a mafiosi. 626 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:33.920 Right. He's corrupt, he's you know, constantly engaging in shady 627 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:38.039 deals like like that's he's just that's that's what he is. 628 00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:41.559 And and they've all been that way, every single one 629 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:48.079 of you know, what was it the the former prime 630 00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.239 minister who was Dawson's talked about this, the guy who 631 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:56.559 was in former Israeli intelligence who was neck deep in 632 00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:01.760 the massade or in the or knee deep in the 633 00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:07.760 Epstein thing. Not a hood Barrock, yeah, Barrock yeah, adro 634 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.760 So these people are just criminals, right. The only difference 635 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:20.559 between Congress and your local mafia is who cuts their suits. Right. 636 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.760 Stormy's talked about this a lot. It's worth you know, uh, 637 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:32.360 former Senator from Washington State, Henry Scoop Jackson, Right, the 638 00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:36.840 joke was that he was the senator from Boeing all 639 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.840 through the Cold War. Right, we need more appropriation for 640 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:43.599 you know, like he just never met you know, Defense 641 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.360 Appropriations Bill. He didn't love because he was Boeing's man 642 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:57.639 in Washington. Well, everybody that everybody you see on April Hill, 643 00:45:58.119 --> 00:46:01.480 there are all somebody's somebody. They're all like a walking 644 00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:09.280 walllet for somebody, their a mouthpiece for somebody, they're they're 645 00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:15.639 legal guy whatever. You know, what do you call CBS 646 00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:25.199 CIA broadcasting system? Right? Yeah, you know Washington Post. How 647 00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.840 did Bob Woodward, former intelligence operator, like go from you know, 648 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.559 junior cup reporter to the man on the biggest story 649 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:37.519 in the history of the newspaper. I mean, we've we've 650 00:46:37.519 --> 00:46:43.159 basically found out that, like Operation Mockingbird never ended, Like 651 00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.159 Politico is just a mocking Bird operation. Like you think 652 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.840 Bill Buckley left the CIA to found a National Review 653 00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:51.639 or do you think the CIA told him to found 654 00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:56.039 National Review? Which one? What do you think really happened there? 655 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:02.800 Rod Rothbard covers that in Betrayal of the American Right, 656 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:07.000 which is basically a a pretty good you know, if 657 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:11.199 you read around the obvious libertarianism and things like that. 658 00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:13.960 It's a good history of the neocons, one of the 659 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:15.280 better history of the neocons. 660 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.639 Actually, yeah, it's a wonderful book. But yeah, like you 661 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:23.039 think Politico is any different. You think the Washington Post 662 00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.079 is any different, Like, oh, uh rt is not available 663 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.599 in this country because it's you know, propaganda state media. 664 00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:33.760 What do you think it pr is, It's just it's 665 00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:40.199 just state media for ship lips, you know, PBS. It's 666 00:47:40.239 --> 00:47:47.199 not any different. The BBC, it's all all like and 667 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.639 the receipt are there like this is you've been paid 668 00:47:51.599 --> 00:47:59.480 by you know, left wing uh Zionists to promote their narrative. 669 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.800 And they don't want Western nations to be full of 670 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:07.519 free people who are capable of standing up in their 671 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:11.599 own because they might stand up for themselves against the occupiers. 672 00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:15.239 Simple ass like they didn't want the Bath Party keep, 673 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:21.599 you know, in Syria and Iraq because the Arabs, due 674 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.960 to their own civilizational deficiencies, require like a strong man, 675 00:48:25.079 --> 00:48:28.599 central central power to like keep organize them and get 676 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:34.280 them to do anything. So the Bath Parties couldn't stand 677 00:48:34.320 --> 00:48:40.519 because that Ataly enabled Arabs to organize and thrown interests 678 00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.679 content the interests of Israel, just the way that you know, uh, 679 00:48:47.119 --> 00:48:50.719 Governor Shapiro and Pennsylvania doesn't want those you know, white 680 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.440 coal miners to be able to organize successfully in their 681 00:48:54.440 --> 00:48:57.119 own self defense because then they'll they'll storm hair is 682 00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:04.079 pretty like, dude, what's going on? Well, then they could 683 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.719 oppose him, so they don't want that. 684 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.320 I guess that brings us. That brings us back to, 685 00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.599 you know, talking about or we've never finished talking about 686 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:22.239 just or it's just a continue continued conversation about what 687 00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:27.320 we do for ourselves, and that's what it's. That's what 688 00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:30.400 it's always come to. We can't, as much as I 689 00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:33.719 would love to see Trump just absolutely dismantle, you know, 690 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:38.880 the administrative state, sitting here and expecting him to do that, 691 00:49:39.159 --> 00:49:42.920 or sitting here and hoping he does that and then 692 00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:46.719 hoping it somehow benefits me because I think one of 693 00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:49.000 the things that we got straw manned on was when 694 00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.079 we started talking about the PayPal mafia last year that 695 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.960 we were like, oh, you want these guys to be 696 00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:59.679 in charge. It's like, No, what I'm thinking is there 697 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:04.119 is a quite a possibility that these people don't want 698 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.679 me dead as compared to the regime it's in charge. 699 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:10.719 And considering some of the things that I know that 700 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:13.840 they that I've heard that they want to do, maybe 701 00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:17.440 there'll be some things that will line up that I'll 702 00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.760 be able to take advantage of it wasn't oh, we 703 00:50:20.840 --> 00:50:22.320 think these people are going to be in there, they're 704 00:50:22.360 --> 00:50:23.599 going to be our friends and they're going to be 705 00:50:23.719 --> 00:50:27.400 one hundred percent. No one ever said that. But you know, 706 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.480 if you're a a diet in the whole ideologue, who 707 00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.679 you know needs everything to be one hundred percent their way, 708 00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:39.800 which you're never going to get. Then you hear one 709 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:43.119 thing while we're saying another. Okay, well, Mark market Dreason 710 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:48.239 is a lot of things, stupid is not one of them. Okay, 711 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:53.519 Market Treason knows that in a world without reliable electricity, 712 00:50:55.840 --> 00:51:03.039 his billion dollar fortune that's built on computers and technology, 713 00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:06.960 and we're Diddley squad. I don't know what his day 714 00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:10.719 to day life is like, but I imagine being able 715 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.400 to take a private plane wherever you want and have 716 00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:18.679 multiple houses and cool locations is pretty cool. It's kind 717 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.679 of nice to be able to like, Oh, the Metropolitan Opera, 718 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.280 New York is doing uh Let Treviata this weekend, and 719 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:27.400 I really like that opera, and they've got a really 720 00:51:27.400 --> 00:51:28.840 good soprano playing the main part. 721 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:32.639 So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Let's see a 722 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:35.880 lot of Traviata on Saturday night tomorrow night, so I 723 00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.079 could be in Florida and be like, I'm gonna go 724 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:46.519 see Latrove tomorrow, and you call your guy up and 725 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.159 you get on your plane in the morning, and you 726 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.760 fly from Florida to New York and you land at 727 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.239 your private airfield that only other really rich dudes go to, 728 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:03.320 and then you go to your New York apartment that's nice, 729 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.480 it's quiet, and you change into a nice outfit and 730 00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:08.639 he go see Let Traviata, and you go to your 731 00:52:08.719 --> 00:52:13.840 nice restaurant after the opera that's exclusive, and you crash 732 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.159 your nice New Yirk place, and then the next day 733 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:22.000 you fly home to your nice sunny place in Florida 734 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:28.719 in the Keys in the wintertime, and it's fantastic. Well, 735 00:52:28.920 --> 00:52:33.280 in order for all of that to happen, Mark and 736 00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:34.880 Jessa has got to have people who are capable of 737 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:40.000 flying his airplane and maintaining his airplane and maintaining the 738 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:48.320 airport and maintaining the roads and maintaining the power stations 739 00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:53.119 so that all of that stuff works. And maybe, just 740 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:54.960 maybe Mark and Jason wants to be in charge because 741 00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:58.880 Mark and Dreason Repeater Thiel or whoever wants to be 742 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.119 in charge because they want in charge, well, guess what, 743 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:02.920 they have billions of dollars and if they want stuff, 744 00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:08.960 stuff happens. If Peter Thiel wants to be in charge 745 00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.280 of things and he wants there to be functioning electricity 746 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.280 because PayPal doesn't work when there's no electricity, and so 747 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:20.480 he doesn't have any money. If there's no electricity, well 748 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:23.360 then I benefit because hey, I like electricity too. That 749 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:25.639 not only enables me to talk to my buddy Pete, 750 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:29.480 but it means I don't freeze to death. So I'm 751 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:39.400 a fan. And what I think these guys have seen 752 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:49.880 is that we white Western civilization, particularly the men, were 753 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.639 carrying such a parasite load that it was going to 754 00:53:52.800 --> 00:53:56.360 kill the host. And they were like, oh, well, I 755 00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:00.239 like being king parasite to use an analogy, and I 756 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:01.840 like being the guy at the top of the heap 757 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:07.159 who has my billions of dollars and my nice tech fortune, 758 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.559 all which you know they've genuinely done things to earn. Right. 759 00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:20.599 PayPal is handy, Escape Bowser revolutionized everything. Elon Musk is 760 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:23.280 no dummy, Like these people are genuinely doing things. But 761 00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:28.159 what they've exposed is just how much of everything else 762 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:35.159 was dragging us down. Millions and fake social security millions 763 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:39.800 of fake social security numbers, millions, billions of dollars in 764 00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:45.360 fake influence ops. You know, ten percent, ten percent of 765 00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:52.239 the country is working at some sort of nonprofit that 766 00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:56.039 is mostly just a government money lendering operation. You know, 767 00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:57.920 you and I talked about the teachers unions and are 768 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.679 in the series on uh Brace were in high school. 769 00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:04.360 That's just the money a line of operation. 770 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.440 It's funny when when I started reading that book and 771 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:13.199 I think, I'm I think I re released it recently 772 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.239 or I'm getting ready to re release it. The in 773 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.880 the big file and everything. You know, we didn't realize. 774 00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:22.400 We thought we were just going to find out about 775 00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:25.360 you know, a bunch of kid you know, a bunch 776 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.039 of kids quote unquote chimping out in high school. And 777 00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.760 we found out that, well, no, we were good. We 778 00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:34.880 were going to read about the Jewish take the Jewish 779 00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.960 takeover of a of a public union, and and and 780 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.760 it laid out exactly how they did it. I mean, 781 00:55:41.880 --> 00:55:45.480 that's that's the craziest thing about that book is You're like, oh, okay, well, 782 00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:49.840 you know, blacks are beating people up doing drugs and 783 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:51.079 raping teachers. 784 00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:54.119 Wow, I did not know that. No. 785 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:56.480 I kind of knew that, I just had never really 786 00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.159 seen it spelled out in such detail. But what we 787 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.519 really found out was we found we found out why 788 00:56:01.599 --> 00:56:04.440 nothing was ever going to be done about it because 789 00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:06.360 a heist was happening. 790 00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:12.039 Right, Yeah, because Randy White Gardener or is the you know, 791 00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.280 aft head, right, and she's a Jewish lesbian Mary Do 792 00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:21.119 a quote unquote Marry Do a rabbi or something, And basically, right, 793 00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.679 it was just the US saying USA a d scamp. Right, 794 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.440 They're going to take a bunch of decent people's tax money. 795 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:31.079 They're going to splash it out to all their friends, 796 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:33.920 and those friends are going to be like, well, you know, 797 00:56:34.360 --> 00:56:36.039 you just gave me a thousand bucks, I'm gonna give 798 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.840 you one hundred dollars back to continue to splash out 799 00:56:39.880 --> 00:56:44.079 that money for me, because you know, I'm getting you know, 800 00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:48.039 summers off huge, you know. And they knew it was 801 00:56:48.079 --> 00:56:50.079 gonna I'm like it. They could read an actual aerial 802 00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.440 table in nineteen seventy six. They knew it was going 803 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:57.360 to bankrupt the state of New York, you know, fifty 804 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:01.360 years from now, in the twenty twenties, they didn't care 805 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.239 because they were getting paid. Now it's like, well you 806 00:57:06.320 --> 00:57:09.880 know again, Peter Deal, Margantrison not dumb guys. They read 807 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:13.000 that actor Oily table and said, oh, well, if we 808 00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:16.519 want to live in a society that that functions well 809 00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.159 enough that we can enjoy it and do things like 810 00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:20.440 go to nice restaurants and go see the opera and 811 00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:25.199 and go see you know, the symphony orchestras, and have 812 00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:30.000 nice houses with with you know, functioning electrical systems and 813 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:33.440 clean water and all that stuff. Like we're gonna have 814 00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:37.320 to put the ship all right, because it's no other 815 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:44.280 elite around to do it. We said for years, hey, 816 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.079 maybe you just fix this. Maybe used to fix this. Well, 817 00:57:47.440 --> 00:57:50.480 go and behold. You know old Cocaine Mitch, whose wife 818 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:55.639 was the former Transportation secretary. There's a from an oligarchical 819 00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.320 Chinese family. She's not really interested in fixing them America. 820 00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.199 Well why not because she doesn't because she's not American. 821 00:58:05.719 --> 00:58:08.719 Elaine Chow is not an American. Why was this prison, 822 00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:16.119 you know, this Transportation secretary under w. Bush? Why are 823 00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:18.519 all these federal judges who aren't Americans being put in 824 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:22.280 place where they can like block the Trump administration and say, well, 825 00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:24.639 I mean, I'm not an American and my wife works 826 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:28.119 for you know, an open borders in g O. But 827 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.039 I'm going to tell you, guys how your constitution works. 828 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:36.480 What no like like this, This can't work. It will 829 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:40.679 not continue to function. How many there's probably one hundred 830 00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:46.800 million fraud doing illegal immigrants in America if you if 831 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:48.760 rounding up like if it might be eighty million, might 832 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:53.679 be seventy five million, but tens of millions. This is 833 00:58:53.760 --> 00:58:56.480 certainly that many, if you include their offspring who shouldn't 834 00:58:56.480 --> 00:59:00.480 be citizens, right but are because are temporarily because of 835 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:05.840 our ridiculous system. Have you been to a public emergency 836 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.880 room lately? They're unusable. The streets looked like the dark 837 00:59:10.920 --> 00:59:11.480 side of the moon. 838 00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:16.840 Yeah, if you're anywhere near a city, it just looks 839 00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:20.320 it looks like the you know, an airport in Africa. 840 00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:29.280 Yeah, And so no matter what, right, Trump just telling us, 841 00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:30.920 let's get hete like, we can't do business like this. 842 00:59:34.519 --> 00:59:37.760 I'll believe it when I see it. Well, whoever's pulling 843 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:40.639 Donald trump strings understands that we're at the end of 844 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:46.400 the runway. There's no more room. You now, the national debt. 845 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:49.159 Interest on the national debt exceeds our defense spending, and 846 00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:53.719 that was already bloated by three or four times too much. Basically, 847 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.719 at this point, what we're hoping for is you're just 848 00:59:56.840 --> 01:00:00.679 hoping for more of the rot to be cut away, 849 01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.639 because the more rot that's cut away, the more opportunity 850 01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:12.159 that is for you. The more it came to this removed, yeah, yeah, 851 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:13.119 that's well. 852 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:17.280 I mean people need to understand there's too many people 853 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:19.760 looking at this, and I get them coming into the 854 01:00:19.840 --> 01:00:23.840 comments on my live stream or leaving comments on Twitter. 855 01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:29.639 They're all willing to do something as soon as everything's perfect. 856 01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.400 It's not ever going to be perfect. So you have 857 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:38.199 to be able to recognize opportunity when it presents itself, 858 01:00:39.119 --> 01:00:43.840 and it's presenting itself right now. Things are being things 859 01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.880 are being put in place. Now we may we may 860 01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:51.679 have a quote unquote correction coming in the market very soon. 861 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.000 So I don't know if that's the place you'd look 862 01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:58.079 now when everything goes down, if you have some extra, 863 01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:00.320 you know, you might want to ride the way back up. 864 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:04.559 But no, what I'm talking about is I'm talking about 865 01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:11.360 tangible goods employment, starting your own business all of these 866 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:14.840 things starting a family going and you know, seeing if 867 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.679 you can find some land somewhere, you know, and it 868 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.119 doesn't have to be make sure it's not in the 869 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.199 g it doesn't have to be in the greatest zip code. 870 01:01:22.679 --> 01:01:27.199 We've been sold that it just someplace where you're comfortable, 871 01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:31.360 someplace where you're safe. All of these things can be 872 01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:35.159 All of these things can should be had. You should 873 01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:37.719 have been able to do this under the Biden administration 874 01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:42.760 if you had your head on straight. But now a 875 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.559 lot of that rot is being torn away. And if 876 01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:48.320 you're just sitting there and you're complaining and you're like, 877 01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:51.280 well I don't want to do anything until everything's perfect, 878 01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:53.199 well that's not going to happen, so you're just going 879 01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:55.920 to be lost. I used to think like that. I 880 01:01:56.039 --> 01:01:57.719 used to think like that. It's like, well, why should 881 01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.280 I even bother really trying, when you know, if you 882 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:03.360 own a house, you never really own it because of 883 01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:06.360 property taxes and the more money I make, the more 884 01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:08.960 income tax I'm going to pay and everything. And I mean, 885 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.159 that's just a loser mentality. It's just a loser mentality. 886 01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:14.639 And I hear it. 887 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:16.880 I hear it all too often, and it's one of 888 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:19.679 the reasons why I ran away from libertarianism, because you'll 889 01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:23.920 hear that. I remember in twenty twenty one, people were 890 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:26.280 complaining about you know, it's like, oh, well, what do 891 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:31.079 we do? And Matt Erickson said make more money, and 892 01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:34.119 immediately there was like five comments saying, oh, so that 893 01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:36.079 I can pay more taxes to pay for the war 894 01:02:36.159 --> 01:02:36.599 in Yemen. 895 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.079 Yeah, it's like, so you have more power, dumb ass, 896 01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:53.360 because money is power. That's why. I mean, the people 897 01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:55.599 who don't want to win just don't want to win, 898 01:02:56.079 --> 01:03:01.199 and you can't help those people, So leave them behind 899 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.519 and do whatever you can to help yourself and those 900 01:03:03.559 --> 01:03:05.960 that want to help you and those that also want 901 01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:06.199 to win. 902 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:13.360 Yeah, you know when Thomas people still contact me all 903 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:16.119 the time and go when Thomas says, you know, we're 904 01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.239 not Jevis witnesses, we're looking for a vanguard. What does 905 01:03:19.320 --> 01:03:24.639 that mean? It means exactly what it means. It means 906 01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:28.199 that we're putting information out there. And I know that 907 01:03:28.400 --> 01:03:30.280 a lot of the people listening to this don't want 908 01:03:30.280 --> 01:03:32.639 to be a part of the vanguard. They're looking for information, 909 01:03:32.719 --> 01:03:37.960 they're looking for education, whatever can help them. But you know, 910 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:40.440 one of the good things that has come out of 911 01:03:40.480 --> 01:03:44.239 this show is a lot of people joining the Old 912 01:03:44.280 --> 01:03:47.760 Glory Club and us getting to meet a lot of 913 01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:53.239 young people who are eager to be elite. They want 914 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:54.960 to know how to do that. They want to know 915 01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:56.599 how to get power, they want to know how to 916 01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:01.320 get That's what this is all about. You're looking. It 917 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:03.760 goes back to the whole what we were talking about populism. 918 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:10.119 Not everybody's going to be able to That's one of 919 01:04:10.159 --> 01:04:12.320 the reasons why Jesus said, You'll always have the poor 920 01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:16.960 because people some people are just not going to want 921 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:19.679 to do for themselves. They'll always find an excuse to not. 922 01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:28.119 And yeah, I mean what we're doing, what this was 923 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.280 always all about was trying to trying to lift people 924 01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:34.519 up who want to be lifted up. And now some 925 01:04:34.719 --> 01:04:38.960 things are being some rod is being stripped away. It 926 01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.000 might even be able to make it a little bit 927 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:45.000 easier so that you can maybe some regulations will be gone. 928 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.119 It'll allow you to do things that you would you 929 01:04:47.239 --> 01:04:48.199 never thought about doing. 930 01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:54.320 So right now, if you're a white man under the 931 01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:58.519 age of thirty, you've been hiking with a bunch of 932 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:02.119 other people's food in your backy and expected to you know, 933 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:04.960 when when it's time to stop the camp, you're expected 934 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.719 to hand them their food. Well, what the Trump administration 935 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.880 has just done said, well, you don't got to carry 936 01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:17.360 that anymore. You can hike her farther and faster. I 937 01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.039 take care of yourself more when you're not carrying other 938 01:05:20.079 --> 01:05:24.679 people's stuff. Now, if he actually does it, or if 939 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.320 it's just all talk, we'll see this. Epstein rug pull 940 01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:32.199 was was pretty disappointing. But nevertheless he's exposing the rock, 941 01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:37.440 and that might give people the moral courage to understand 942 01:05:37.519 --> 01:05:40.639 just where we're at. I don't know if that's his play. 943 01:05:40.719 --> 01:05:42.880 I don't know if that's their plan. I don't know 944 01:05:43.119 --> 01:05:52.559 what the other goal is. But I know for a fact, then, 945 01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:58.039 no matter what happens, I'll be better off if I 946 01:05:58.199 --> 01:06:01.760 find guys that I know I can trust, that are 947 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:06.039 also working to improve themselves and improve their own situations 948 01:06:06.440 --> 01:06:09.679 as I'm trying to do myself. So no matter what, Like, 949 01:06:09.840 --> 01:06:14.320 there's a wonderful old prep blog, probably from the twenty 950 01:06:14.360 --> 01:06:20.639 tens we used to call the Woodpile report called the Gentleman, 951 01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:23.199 called themselves Old Remus, and he said, if a prep 952 01:06:23.320 --> 01:06:27.920 doesn't make your life better in general, it's useless. So 953 01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:32.719 having a case of Emory's good idea spending every last dime, 954 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:37.159 you have to have a year's worth of Emory's bad 955 01:06:37.239 --> 01:06:40.920 idea no matter what you're doing in your life. If 956 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.159 you don't have any debt and you're in good shape 957 01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.320 and you're looking to network with bros, like, do any 958 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:50.960 of those things that make your life worse now? Of course, 959 01:06:51.599 --> 01:06:55.239 of course not that doesn't mean you're putting together like 960 01:06:55.320 --> 01:07:01.800 a you know, Mad Max Apocalypse squad. I mean maybe, 961 01:07:04.039 --> 01:07:08.199 but like being in shape and and having friends is 962 01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:09.840 like not a bad thing no matter what. 963 01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:10.840 So just do it. 964 01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:14.800 Do do the prep that makes your life better, no 965 01:07:14.880 --> 01:07:22.280 matter what, you know, instead of just endlessly you know, 966 01:07:22.320 --> 01:07:24.519 I suppose it's a little bit hypocritical guy, you know, 967 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.480 guy who does a bunch of podcasts telling people to 968 01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.800 stop just endlessly go a seeing podcast. But go out 969 01:07:28.840 --> 01:07:32.920 and do something. You know, use this knowledge you've been 970 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:37.119 given that you know, those of us who give it 971 01:07:37.199 --> 01:07:42.119 to you incurk great risks to do it. You know, 972 01:07:42.280 --> 01:07:45.000 not only do you should you use that knowledge to 973 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:51.719 improve your own life, but you know, support the people 974 01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:53.639 that support you and go to your freeman me on 975 01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.159 the wall slash support to enable Pete to you know, 976 01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:59.679 keep doing this so that you have more and more 977 01:07:59.719 --> 01:08:03.880 of a or your network. Because right now, if you're 978 01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:06.280 an OGC guy, you can go just about anywhere in 979 01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:12.639 America and find it. Bro And within a year from 980 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.079 now or two years from now, I would be very, 981 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:18.880 very surprised if there weren't oh GC guys in every state. 982 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:24.800 At least getting chapters up in every state up and running, 983 01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:27.279 because I believe we do have OGC guys in every 984 01:08:27.319 --> 01:08:34.319 state now spiritually. We just were doing this officially. So yeah, 985 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:37.439 I got to cut it there because I got another 986 01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.560 one coming up this afternoon. But I do appreciate you 987 01:08:40.680 --> 01:08:44.319 coming by, and I really hope people got the message 988 01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.199 today that you know, there are some good things happening. 989 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:52.760 You will be disappointed. It's politics. You have no control 990 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:56.319 over it. You're going to be disappointed. Suck it up, 991 01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:59.479 keep going and do what you need to do to 992 01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:00.000 take care. 993 01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:00.760 Of you and yours. 994 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:07.000 And you know, don't buy into this lie that collectivism 995 01:09:07.159 --> 01:09:10.439 is socialism or communism. And then when you say that, 996 01:09:10.520 --> 01:09:12.720 people are like, well, no, only if you use a state, No, 997 01:09:13.479 --> 01:09:16.840 if you're local and you get one of your people elected. 998 01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.600 I mean, one of our people is a state's attorney 999 01:09:20.720 --> 01:09:24.279 right now. One of our people, like a bunch of 1000 01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:28.239 our people are working in this administration, you know, and 1001 01:09:30.199 --> 01:09:35.479 that's that's something that's something to celebrate. If that can happen, 1002 01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:38.279 there's no reason why your local area, you guys, can't 1003 01:09:38.680 --> 01:09:44.159 get together and take over and you know, defeat the 1004 01:09:44.279 --> 01:09:47.760 enemy in your local area and try to work on 1005 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:50.600 making it what you want it to look like, what 1006 01:09:50.760 --> 01:09:53.479 you and your people want it to look like. So 1007 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:56.319 I'll end on that, and I'll give you the last 1008 01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:57.479 word if you have anything. 1009 01:09:58.359 --> 01:10:01.159 No just you know, support the people to support you, 1010 01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:04.800 you know, reband me on the walls. Last support, right, 1011 01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:10.520 I appreciate that. Man, Well, thank you, and until the 1012 01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:14.119 next time, say carry yourself for Rett. Thanks man. 1013 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:19.079 I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingano Show. 1014 01:10:19.720 --> 01:10:25.399 I have two frequent beloved guests here today. So Thomas, 1015 01:10:25.600 --> 01:10:26.319 how are you doing? 1016 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:28.479 And well thanks for invoting me. 1017 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:30.640 D how are you doing. 1018 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:32.960 I'm fantastic, man, Thanks for having me back. 1019 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.279 All right, d this was your this was your idea 1020 01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:42.000 for a conversation, so have at it. MANA, thank you 1021 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:45.520 so much. So everyone should totally check out. I mean 1022 01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:47.640 everything that Beat and Thomas have done together, but the 1023 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.479 Mosley series in particular I found really fascinating, just because 1024 01:10:51.239 --> 01:10:54.399 you know, Moseley, here's a culture familiar with us. And 1025 01:10:55.119 --> 01:10:58.039 in I think episode four or five, you guys talked 1026 01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:00.960 about the Fascist International Conference, the first one, first and 1027 01:11:01.039 --> 01:11:04.479 only one, and we mentioned all the different nations that 1028 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:09.000 were that were there. And if you haven't read Paul 1029 01:11:09.039 --> 01:11:10.920 Gotfried's Fascism in the Career of a Concept, I think 1030 01:11:10.920 --> 01:11:11.680 it's a really good book. 1031 01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:15.680 Despite you know, doctor Godfried being of the tribe, I 1032 01:11:15.720 --> 01:11:20.119 believe he's an honest man. And it got me thinking that, 1033 01:11:20.920 --> 01:11:24.680 you know, in nineteen sixteen at the Psalm, if you'd 1034 01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:27.159 gone back a century to the Congress of Vienna where 1035 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:32.520 Napoleon was the you know, Hapa recently called it a 1036 01:11:32.600 --> 01:11:39.520 gentleman's piece. Right, you have this where despite firearms, most 1037 01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:41.920 of the people in the world were still agricultural peasants, 1038 01:11:42.479 --> 01:11:46.800 and despite advances and things like the McCormick reaper binder 1039 01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:55.359 in the eighteen fifties or improved yields and crops and 1040 01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:58.279 other things, right, like like an agricultural peasant from like 1041 01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:03.960 a Roman Lata fundiaould fundamentally understand like a guy who 1042 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:09.279 was growing food in Mississippi in like eighteen fifty five. 1043 01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:18.199 But in the nineteenth century, between the Psalm and Vienna, 1044 01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:32.039 you had cars, trains, refrigeration, canning, telecommunications and telegraph and 1045 01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:36.680 the telephone. I mean just literally everything in normal life. 1046 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:42.800 Everyday life changed one hundred percent and in a very 1047 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:45.239 rare old way, like World War One represents like the 1048 01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:49.399 death of the old world, and fascism is this opportunity. 1049 01:12:49.439 --> 01:12:51.720 There's like, there's three kind of semi coherent ways to 1050 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.119 deal with this new change world that happens after the war, 1051 01:12:54.239 --> 01:13:02.920 after the Great War of capitalism, Bolshevism, and fascism, and really, 1052 01:13:03.760 --> 01:13:05.279 to me, the only one that actually kind of makes 1053 01:13:05.279 --> 01:13:07.760 coherence ince with like human beings as they are, that 1054 01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:11.439 have particular loves and attachments and you know, it doesn't 1055 01:13:11.479 --> 01:13:17.880 destroy religion and whatever. Fascism was the one coherent way 1056 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:22.239 to actually address all these changes without like just air 1057 01:13:22.319 --> 01:13:24.479 rejecting them entirely. There are people who will you know, 1058 01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:26.520 larpest Catholic monarchists or whatever, and like we just need 1059 01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:27.600 to go back to the way it was in the 1060 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.479 thirteenth century. Like, that's a nice thought, but that ain't happen. 1061 01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:34.479 So I couldn't think of anybody better than Thomas to 1062 01:13:34.560 --> 01:13:40.640 like actually elucidate how fascism was just very real attempt 1063 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.600 to grapple with the world as it now found itself. 1064 01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:47.159 And I think that people need to understand that, like 1065 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.520 those are your alternatives, Right, you can have Bolshevism, you 1066 01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:56.359 can have Judaeo Usuria's capitalism, or you can have some 1067 01:13:56.520 --> 01:13:59.119 sort of state socialism, and that's it. 1068 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:07.119 Well, it's also it's important to consider I think, I mean, 1069 01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:11.199 I invoke the term capitalism because just for intelligibility, and 1070 01:14:11.319 --> 01:14:15.079 people like Humputer they invoked it for the same reason, 1071 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:22.119 even though he didn't think that it was particularly useful 1072 01:14:22.119 --> 01:14:25.840 as a descript or in absolute terms. But like, the 1073 01:14:25.880 --> 01:14:27.359 important thing to keep in mind is that the New 1074 01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:30.520 Deal revolution, it was with the revolution, areas what happened 1075 01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:33.600 in Germany in nineteen thirty three, or would it happen 1076 01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:37.640 in the Soviet Union? Okay, Like it wasn't Roosevelt wasn't 1077 01:14:37.720 --> 01:14:40.720 just this guy. He was like, well, you know, there's 1078 01:14:40.720 --> 01:14:44.279 a structural crisis underway, so we needed an executive to 1079 01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:46.359 step in and you know, and kind of manage the 1080 01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.880 crisis situation, like the New Deal was this top down 1081 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:56.319 ideology of retooling the entire way of living of you know, 1082 01:14:56.439 --> 01:15:00.600 millions and millions of people. And I make the point 1083 01:15:00.640 --> 01:15:04.279 again and again that like what became the Civil Rights 1084 01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:11.640 Revolution ephimistically that started under roseen Belt, like forced racial integration, 1085 01:15:12.319 --> 01:15:15.239 that's kind of trying to forcibly strict people of their 1086 01:15:15.319 --> 01:15:18.800 identitarian characteristics. 1087 01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:20.159 You know. 1088 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:27.079 That was one of the kind of secondary imperatives of 1089 01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:33.640 the military draft, was the kind of conditioned people towards 1090 01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:41.199 those towards those imperatives, you know. So it wasn't it 1091 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:46.479 wasn't as kind of like neutral administrative apparatus that was implemented, 1092 01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:49.840 but that also you know, had sort of like a 1093 01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:55.760 war profiteers sensibility, you know, in terms of power political affairs. 1094 01:15:56.039 --> 01:16:01.920 So that that's fundamentally important, and it's not in these 1095 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:06.880 people were very much adjacent the communists. I mean that 1096 01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.079 that's why they It wasn't just that they hated the 1097 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:14.359 fascists and the national socialists, and it's not just that 1098 01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:17.800 they were sympathetic to Zionism. Like first and foremost, I 1099 01:16:18.920 --> 01:16:22.119 Roosevelt himself didn't particularly like Jews. I mean, that's just 1100 01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:27.159 a fact. Like his uh, his primary sympathy was for communism, 1101 01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:30.159 you know, like in the in the view of people 1102 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:33.920 like him, you know, this is an inevitability, this is 1103 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:37.840 the way the world is going, you know. And for 1104 01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:41.000 context too, because the people to this day they still 1105 01:16:41.039 --> 01:16:44.880 talk about guys like Burnham as being neocons because you know, 1106 01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:49.439 in the nineteen twenties they would they would bandy socialist ideas. 1107 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.880 People don't understand that oncologically, every single person thought that 1108 01:16:54.000 --> 01:16:57.359 way because there'd been a total collapse of the nascent 1109 01:16:57.640 --> 01:17:01.359 world economy and in the app sense of information tech, 1110 01:17:03.399 --> 01:17:07.680 that situation is unmanageable, like laissez fair is not possible 1111 01:17:07.720 --> 01:17:11.520 in the true sense if there's no such thing as 1112 01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:16.119 situational awareness up to the moment. You know, really the 1113 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:19.560 situation kind of endured until the late nineteen eighties. Like 1114 01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:23.680 the reason now, like there's not true economic crises. I mean, 1115 01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.560 part of that is structural, and part of that has 1116 01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:31.600 to do with the deep integration of capital, but the 1117 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.279 primarily it's the elimination of uncertainty. Like I can tell 1118 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:39.439 you right this moment, like what's happening in European markets. Okay, 1119 01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:42.840 even like forty years ago, thirty years ago, I wouldn't 1120 01:17:42.920 --> 01:17:46.800 know for hours, you know, in the nineteen twenties, I 1121 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:53.560 wouldn't know for days. So this idea that people you know, 1122 01:17:54.079 --> 01:17:59.399 who weren't inclined towards New Dealrism, or towards communism, or 1123 01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:03.199 towards utipal and socialism, whatever, that they were just advocating 1124 01:18:04.199 --> 01:18:08.920 status models of of of the planned economy or whatever, 1125 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:11.640 or that they were like Bandy and Keyesianism. They weren't 1126 01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:14.439 doing that because like they had some ethical disposition in 1127 01:18:14.520 --> 01:18:17.560 that way. It's because that's the way every single person thought. 1128 01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:20.039 You know, if you've if you started talking about laissez 1129 01:18:20.119 --> 01:18:22.159 fair economics, people have looked at you like you were 1130 01:18:22.159 --> 01:18:24.600 an idiot or a crazy person, like how would that 1131 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:25.279 even have worked? 1132 01:18:25.960 --> 01:18:26.159 You know. 1133 01:18:28.039 --> 01:18:32.159 So there's that I tend to agree to change gears 1134 01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:37.079 back to the main subject matter because I was kind 1135 01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:41.239 of a tangent. I generally agree with arms Noltzi. I 1136 01:18:41.319 --> 01:18:46.279 think fascism, like true fascism, as it emerged the you 1137 01:18:46.359 --> 01:18:51.800 know in Italy, it was a radical tendency. It was 1138 01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.560 as much a radical tendency as communism was. It just 1139 01:18:54.640 --> 01:19:00.439 didn't have the same political orientation obviously, and a lot 1140 01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:05.279 of that was born a future shock, you know, but 1141 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:08.039 also the international situation had to do with it. 1142 01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:08.840 You know. 1143 01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:10.600 I make the point again and again. One of the 1144 01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:15.119 reasons there's the alibi of Conservatives and other Midwies that oh, 1145 01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:17.520 you shouldn't be too hard on Churchill because the U 1146 01:19:17.680 --> 01:19:20.640 kid to prevent the ascendancy of a rival power in 1147 01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:25.159 Germany that was dead like cabinet warring, and you know, 1148 01:19:26.239 --> 01:19:30.720 this kind of sensibility of oh, we've got to you know, 1149 01:19:30.840 --> 01:19:35.079 we've got to strangle geostrategic rivals in utero to like 1150 01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:39.680 preserve you know, our ability to manage these captive markets 1151 01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.439 and things like that died in nineteen fourteen. You know. 1152 01:19:44.720 --> 01:19:49.399 By the time of the Great Depression, the superpower era 1153 01:19:49.640 --> 01:19:55.479 was emerging. You know, so Japan and Europe and Germany specifically, 1154 01:19:55.600 --> 01:19:57.760 but I mean I say Europe because the axis wasn't 1155 01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:01.399 this Germany. That's a misconception that this was some German 1156 01:20:01.560 --> 01:20:08.079 nationalist enterprise. But Japan, through what they called the Greater 1157 01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:13.760 Asia co Prosperity Sphere, and Germany slash Europe would become superpowers. 1158 01:20:13.840 --> 01:20:18.560 They would ferish you know, and you know I put 1159 01:20:18.560 --> 01:20:21.920 it to people who invoked that. So the ethical alibi 1160 01:20:22.119 --> 01:20:24.319 that I just did invoked. You know, the UK obviously 1161 01:20:24.479 --> 01:20:27.560 lost the war and it became like a third rate power. 1162 01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.840 You know, it's now like overrun with with with aliens 1163 01:20:32.199 --> 01:20:36.079 and is you know quite literally airstrip one. So like obviously, 1164 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:40.319 like that victory was the most puic victory that's ever 1165 01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:42.279 that's ever been had. 1166 01:20:43.159 --> 01:20:46.640 Yeah, Mosley was completely correct, right, like we have to 1167 01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:48.880 secure the empire, we're going to lose it, you know. 1168 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:54.039 Just to briefly bring up like Donnzia's cultive speed, right, 1169 01:20:54.479 --> 01:20:58.680 we didn't have paved roads until like eighteen twenty. Macadam 1170 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:01.399 didn't invent the process till eight the eighteen twenties. So 1171 01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:07.840 think about this, like Roman transportation in like the first 1172 01:21:07.880 --> 01:21:13.039 century was the best roads, goot until the mid eighteenth century, 1173 01:21:14.079 --> 01:21:17.479 and forty miles an hour was the fastest any human 1174 01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:22.880 being went more than like a second or two and 1175 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:29.039 live to tell about it for centuries. And as you 1176 01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:34.800 pointed out, right, like there's was just no alternative. 1177 01:21:36.279 --> 01:21:40.239 Well, the two key, the two key, the two key 1178 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:46.199 aspects of future shock that translated that both informed and 1179 01:21:46.439 --> 01:21:53.359 were they caretalyst for and and we're most significant to 1180 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:58.319 the political situation. It was, uh, it was the crisis 1181 01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:01.840 of labor, and it was the military and strategic situation 1182 01:22:02.000 --> 01:22:08.119 and the emergence of wartech, devastating wartech at scale. And 1183 01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:13.319 also what's significant is that massive warfare at scale basically 1184 01:22:13.479 --> 01:22:16.920 never ever happens to the twentieth century. The fact that 1185 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:21.920 this became the reality constantly, that's completely abnormal. Those conditions 1186 01:22:22.039 --> 01:22:25.680 happened maybe once every thousand years. And obviously, again the 1187 01:22:25.760 --> 01:22:29.840 wartech that emerged in scale capacity, that was totally unprecedented. 1188 01:22:30.319 --> 01:22:33.920 But also I think the point to people a lot, 1189 01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:41.000 you know, the crisis of labor and the fortunes of 1190 01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:49.560 millions of people being bound up with labor imperatives. People 1191 01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:52.479 can't conceptualize that anymore. That's the reason why I'm always 1192 01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:55.159 telling people don't use the term working class. There is 1193 01:22:55.239 --> 01:22:57.720 no working class. There hasn't, Like the last of it 1194 01:22:58.520 --> 01:23:01.760 in structural terms went away in the early nineties. Like 1195 01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.680 we say working class, we don't mean people with jobs 1196 01:23:04.960 --> 01:23:08.600 or like guys who do work. We're talking about millions 1197 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:11.920 and millions of people doing pretty much the exact same 1198 01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:16.560 job in factory settings. They're almost all young, they're almost 1199 01:23:16.680 --> 01:23:21.199 all men. Their jobs are dangerous, they're very very low wage. 1200 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:29.680 There's basically no room for advancement. It's a totally urbanized 1201 01:23:30.279 --> 01:23:34.880 setting for this kind of labor. That is the working class. Okay, 1202 01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:39.520 it's conditions that don't exist anymore really anywhere on this planet, 1203 01:23:39.640 --> 01:23:41.439 like even in place like China where there's just like 1204 01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:44.960 mass like apple factories. I mean, don't get me wrong. 1205 01:23:45.039 --> 01:23:47.359 Those people have like a really brutal lot of life, 1206 01:23:47.720 --> 01:23:51.079 and they don't have the right to organize or anything, 1207 01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:54.359 and they're very much like exploited. But that's different than 1208 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.399 what we're talking about in you know, the early twentieth century. 1209 01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:02.920 Like that's the that's the that's the that's the ideological soil, 1210 01:24:03.239 --> 01:24:06.079 if you will, from where like communism emerges. That is 1211 01:24:06.159 --> 01:24:09.760 the working class. If you read up in Sinclair's The Jungle, 1212 01:24:10.760 --> 01:24:12.600 which I think is a great book. You know, I'm not, 1213 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:16.279 i know socialist like Sinclair was, but what he describes 1214 01:24:16.600 --> 01:24:20.279 in the Chicago stockyards, that's the way that it was. 1215 01:24:20.800 --> 01:24:23.439 You know, every day people die on the job, Like 1216 01:24:23.560 --> 01:24:26.439 going to your job is like going to war. And 1217 01:24:27.039 --> 01:24:29.159 there's always man who want to work, like if you 1218 01:24:29.479 --> 01:24:31.680 if you age out of the ability to physically do 1219 01:24:31.800 --> 01:24:34.439 your job, if you get injured on the job, you'll 1220 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:36.800 be thrown away like garbage. There's one hundred other men 1221 01:24:36.840 --> 01:24:38.960 who want to do your job or are younger, stronger, 1222 01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:40.359 and will do it for half the way you do, 1223 01:24:40.640 --> 01:24:44.199 Like why do I need you? That's the working class, okay, 1224 01:24:47.239 --> 01:24:51.199 And uh, there's a there's an ontological aspect to it. 1225 01:24:51.760 --> 01:24:55.680 Like people emphasize a lot the fact that these people 1226 01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:59.520 lived in poverty, often grinding poverty, and in the cities 1227 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:03.119 that were already dangerous. These people have been ripped out 1228 01:25:03.159 --> 01:25:06.960 of the out of their kind of natural patterns of 1229 01:25:07.039 --> 01:25:10.520 living in rural and semi rural environments, you know, to 1230 01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:12.600 go work there because they had to do to survive. 1231 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:19.800 But also, uh, there's you know, there's an ontological aspect 1232 01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:23.600 like in one of Younger's Uh, I mean, Younger dealt 1233 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:28.159 with this directly in their Arbitter, but he and a 1234 01:25:28.199 --> 01:25:32.800 lot of his fiction it's like the Protagus or some 1235 01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:36.000 of the secondary characters. They're great war veterans who find 1236 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:41.720 themselves in factory environments and those experiences like bleed into 1237 01:25:41.760 --> 01:25:45.239 one another, you know, like fighting with these dangerous machines, 1238 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:47.760 you know, to like earn like a paltry wave is 1239 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:52.319 like being in the trenches again. You know, that's it's 1240 01:25:52.359 --> 01:25:54.520 not it's not just an accident. There's not just a 1241 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:58.640 flex that these guys on the street and Vaimar you know, 1242 01:25:58.800 --> 01:26:01.279 who fought under the con and his banner called themselves, 1243 01:26:01.319 --> 01:26:04.439 you know, combat group of the working class, because that 1244 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:10.640 wasn't probally you know, and those conditions are psychologically devastating, 1245 01:26:11.239 --> 01:26:14.039 you know, like basically you're forced into conditions where it's 1246 01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:17.880 like I I've got to I've got to do this dangerous, 1247 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:24.119 dirty job otherwise I'll die, you know, and I have 1248 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:24.960 no recourse. 1249 01:26:25.960 --> 01:26:26.119 You know. 1250 01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:28.800 That's that's a lot of what underlay I mean, that's 1251 01:26:28.800 --> 01:26:34.439 what underlay all revolutionary in Paris, you know, including fascism 1252 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:39.119 and and Mussolini's background in like the communist movement. Despite 1253 01:26:39.199 --> 01:26:41.399 what a lot of communists said and what a lot 1254 01:26:41.439 --> 01:26:44.039 of a lot of left revisionists say today, it wasn't 1255 01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.920 just like some cynical ploy like oh I'll start dying 1256 01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:52.000 the this this this kind of guys of of uh 1257 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.800 of national or racial pride or something like Musli. He 1258 01:26:55.880 --> 01:27:00.239 believed everything he said. You know, but he he he 1259 01:27:00.720 --> 01:27:05.000 wasn't putting on airs with defining the fascist movement is 1260 01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:07.479 like a movement of like workers and soldiers and artist. 1261 01:27:07.760 --> 01:27:08.399 That's it was. 1262 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:13.159 Kind of the it was also responding to. It was 1263 01:27:13.199 --> 01:27:15.680 also responding to tendencies like the action of France, say, 1264 01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:19.720 who were very much reactionary like Morass himself was like 1265 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:22.199 an atheist and very much kind of like the twentieth 1266 01:27:22.239 --> 01:27:27.439 century modernist. But he believed in like the He thought 1267 01:27:27.479 --> 01:27:31.720 that you know, the Roman Church should have like retained 1268 01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:34.720 like a fundamental role in French political life. He believed 1269 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:36.840 in like the monarchy. He thought these things were like 1270 01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:42.079 essential to the sovereign authority and like symbolic psychological aspects 1271 01:27:42.079 --> 01:27:45.880 of culture. Uh. Mussolini was responding that large part He's like, no, 1272 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:48.760 that's that's nonsense. We're done with it, you know, like 1273 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:52.239 Mussolini kept Ian. Mussolini didn't oppose the monarchy. Part of 1274 01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:54.199 it in Italy. Part of that was tactical, but part 1275 01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.399 of that was, you know, he thought those kinds of 1276 01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.600 things were important as a matter of you know, like 1277 01:28:00.439 --> 01:28:05.479 you know, like Latin heritage and stuff. But the National 1278 01:28:05.560 --> 01:28:08.880 Fatist Party, I agree with arsonalty it was largely response 1279 01:28:08.960 --> 01:28:12.399 to that, Like the national socially German Workers Party was 1280 01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:15.479 like very much like a synthesis of those things, you know, 1281 01:28:16.840 --> 01:28:20.760 not entirely consciously. It was like a discursion process with them. 1282 01:28:21.079 --> 01:28:23.279 I think that's the way to think about it. Frankly, 1283 01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:26.800 let me jump in. Let me jump in and ask 1284 01:28:26.840 --> 01:28:29.760 a question here. When you look at the nineteenth century 1285 01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:34.039 and with the nineteenth century basically being a I mean 1286 01:28:36.119 --> 01:28:40.960 you had seminaries who were seminaries who were formally reformed, 1287 01:28:41.119 --> 01:28:48.319 adopting Darwinian Darwinian models, so basically the metaphysical has gone away. 1288 01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:52.560 How much of an effect does that have just basically 1289 01:28:53.119 --> 01:28:54.960 I mean on the culture. We know what it does, 1290 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:56.800 but how much of an effect does that have on 1291 01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.840 the political culture? I mean even outside of like Marxism. Yeah, 1292 01:29:00.960 --> 01:29:04.560 it's tremendously impactful. And that's why that's one of the 1293 01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:08.439 those two things. It was that it was, uh, you know, 1294 01:29:08.680 --> 01:29:14.920 the death of metaphysics and uh things that were things 1295 01:29:15.079 --> 01:29:21.319 like they transcendent aspects of the culture. But also, you know, 1296 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:27.039 people people took for granted that you know, religion is dead. 1297 01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.840 You know, even if that thing, even though that kind 1298 01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:32.880 of thing is value nobody believes in that anymore. You know, 1299 01:29:34.800 --> 01:29:38.239 human affairs are reducible to the material and the biological. 1300 01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:41.119 And that's what I'm like a lot of racialism. Okay, 1301 01:29:41.119 --> 01:29:44.159 I wrote a whole essay for my dear friend Giles, 1302 01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:46.680 who runs the asylum Meg I wrote. I wrote an 1303 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:49.319 essay for it that he asked me to because people 1304 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:52.359 have this idea that, oh, you know, this kind of 1305 01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:56.199 racialism was some German obsession. That's not only everybody thought. 1306 01:29:56.520 --> 01:30:00.960 You know, America was probably the most avid, like racial 1307 01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:04.640 eugenicist country that existed then. I mean people thought that 1308 01:30:04.720 --> 01:30:08.520 way in England and in Japan and France, like this 1309 01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.279 idea that you know, well, the reason humans behave the 1310 01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:14.640 way they do culturally is because of your race. Like 1311 01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:16.760 like I'm not saying I'm like, race is a real thing. 1312 01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:19.079 I'm not saying that, but it's not you're like your 1313 01:30:19.279 --> 01:30:21.880 DNA or your blood as they thought in those days, 1314 01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:25.159 like doesn't make you like act Jewish or like act German. 1315 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:28.079 Like that doesn't make any sense, but in those days, 1316 01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:32.600 everybody thought that way. Like honestly, that's why these like 1317 01:30:32.640 --> 01:30:35.279 internet guy used so like, I mean, yeah, there's like 1318 01:30:35.319 --> 01:30:40.039 an ethnic component to any sectarian belief structure, and obviously, 1319 01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:43.560 like obviously like Judaism is a ethnos as well as 1320 01:30:43.760 --> 01:30:50.319 like a a sectarian cultural structure. But these guys, these 1321 01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:53.359 weirdos like bandying like oh, Jews are a race like that, 1322 01:30:53.680 --> 01:30:56.319 nobody thinks that way anymore. That's the way people thought 1323 01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:59.239 in in the nineteen twenties, like on both sides of 1324 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:01.439 the divide, like like you're Jewish because you have this 1325 01:31:01.560 --> 01:31:03.720 kind of you have this kind of blood, you know, 1326 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:05.960 like that, you know, and if if you're if you're 1327 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.640 if you're European or Irian like or Japanese, you know, 1328 01:31:09.720 --> 01:31:13.399 your blood makes you behave this way like that's that's 1329 01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:16.720 not the way things are like that, that's Darwinist nonsense, 1330 01:31:17.119 --> 01:31:19.199 you know, like Darwinism is nonsense. I don't know. People 1331 01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:21.199 on the right can't like let that go. But that's 1332 01:31:22.000 --> 01:31:25.279 that's as much it's as much like an Enlightenment you 1333 01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:30.119 know kind of secular humanist uh lie is is the 1334 01:31:30.199 --> 01:31:32.920 rest of it, you know, like you don't you're not 1335 01:31:33.560 --> 01:31:35.680 you're not something like you're not something like meat robot 1336 01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:38.079 like running up program like that's not what a race is, 1337 01:31:38.600 --> 01:31:40.840 you know, Like yeah, there's a biological aspect to it. 1338 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:45.720 But that you know, but no, that that's why, uh, 1339 01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.199 that's why people they kind of cherry pick. They'll they'll 1340 01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:53.279 look at something like uh, some guy like uh, some 1341 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:57.560 guy like surroundos in there, or somebody like Mussolini or 1342 01:31:57.600 --> 01:32:00.960 somebody like you off Hill or like said or wrote 1343 01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:04.159 about religion. They're like, see, like these guys hated religion. 1344 01:32:04.239 --> 01:32:07.359 It's like everybody thought that way, you know. And honestly, 1345 01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:09.600 like people like Hitler and Mussolini, they had like a 1346 01:32:09.680 --> 01:32:11.760 softer view. I mean, first of all, Communists wanted to 1347 01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:16.640 literally like mervhor you know, still clinging to the old ways. 1348 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:24.039 But uh, you know, the the the national sols isn't 1349 01:32:24.079 --> 01:32:28.880 the fishes. I mean says that their views of of 1350 01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:33.920 a religiosity seemed punitive, which in the kids a latter 1351 01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:35.840 I don't think they did. They were like look at 1352 01:32:36.600 --> 01:32:39.119 look at like the conversation like him learning got lab Burger, 1353 01:32:39.399 --> 01:32:41.359 Like Burger's talking about how like, yeah, you need to 1354 01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:44.640 like cultivate like among our Islamic allies, we need to 1355 01:32:44.720 --> 01:32:47.880 like cultivate their like belief and like in in Orthodox 1356 01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.600 and Roman Catholic territories, we got to like cultivate like 1357 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:53.199 religious belief. They were doing the opposite, if anything, but 1358 01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:56.359 it like cynical. Is that way of better or not? 1359 01:32:56.880 --> 01:33:00.239 Like the point being, it wasn't even like for a 1360 01:33:00.279 --> 01:33:02.800 lot of people, it wasn't even like it was a 1361 01:33:02.880 --> 01:33:04.720 value neutral thing like this is the way it is. 1362 01:33:04.840 --> 01:33:07.640 People don't think that way anymore, you know, So why 1363 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:09.800 would we talk about that stuff. It's irrelevant. 1364 01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:16.479 I did, well, I this is all gold. But I 1365 01:33:16.560 --> 01:33:18.720 do think that it's important for listeners to remember that 1366 01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:25.039 in the span of like three generations, like Don Abbott, 1367 01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:29.720 it was actually good at this. If you were like 1368 01:33:29.840 --> 01:33:33.880 a poor peasant and you needed a job, you could 1369 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:39.039 go to the local burger, the local ritter, the local 1370 01:33:39.439 --> 01:33:43.199 you know, gentlemen in pretty much any country in Europe 1371 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.720 right before nineteen fourteen, it'd be like, hey, I need 1372 01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:50.319 a job, and he'd like, oh, well, I guess I 1373 01:33:50.439 --> 01:33:55.119 could use another gardener, another this, another that, and you know, 1374 01:33:55.800 --> 01:34:01.840 between the revolution in industry and the revolution in the war, 1375 01:34:02.600 --> 01:34:05.880 right that killed that for a lot of reasons, like 1376 01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:12.159 the entire upper crust of Britain, of France, of Germany, 1377 01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.439 like they all died in the trenches. Russian, the entire 1378 01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:19.439 era the aristocracy, but itself white all across Europe, and 1379 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:23.239 you know, the natural leader class just basically got slaughtered 1380 01:34:23.840 --> 01:34:30.439 in nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen. So the and I was, 1381 01:34:30.479 --> 01:34:34.199 I was in correct earlier it was a it wasn't 1382 01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:36.239 znnzi on the come to speed is Marinetti. I'm sorry, 1383 01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:46.000 But that brutal work environment that you talked about, and 1384 01:34:46.479 --> 01:34:48.720 you know, the effectively the factory be no different than 1385 01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:53.920 the trenches. Was there any like precedent for this in 1386 01:34:54.119 --> 01:34:56.880 history that we know of? I mean, like I am, 1387 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:01.279 I'm struggling. I might find with some kind of parallel 1388 01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:09.600 here where like the entire economic, social, religious, you know, sociological, 1389 01:35:10.079 --> 01:35:12.720 familial paradigm just they all just shattered. 1390 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:15.479 There is no parallel. And like despite that, one's being 1391 01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.319 the point that like only moron say, history repeats itself, 1392 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:21.399 it absolutely does not, you know, like only idiots think 1393 01:35:21.439 --> 01:35:28.000 that kind of Consider this man, the Ford motor plant. 1394 01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:30.399 I mean, Henry Ford was a great man and in 1395 01:35:30.520 --> 01:35:34.239 part because he humanized labor and he and he did 1396 01:35:35.000 --> 01:35:40.199 he did, he took heroic measures to elevate the quody 1397 01:35:40.239 --> 01:35:43.039 a life of his workforce. So that's that's relevant. But 1398 01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:47.720 just in overall terms. But my point is, uh, the 1399 01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.920 Ford Motor plant employed one hundred thousand people. That that's 1400 01:35:52.000 --> 01:35:56.960 utterly insane, like literally tens of thousands of people working 1401 01:35:57.039 --> 01:36:02.359 on one site and thousands and thousands of men literally 1402 01:36:02.439 --> 01:36:05.880 doing the same job. But that's also like general strike 1403 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:09.560 could bring the economy to its knees, you know, because 1404 01:36:09.960 --> 01:36:14.880 these valuated manufacturers, you know there they if you could 1405 01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:18.119 if you get a halt production on them, you know, uh, 1406 01:36:19.920 --> 01:36:23.359 they you nothing, there was no business was being done. 1407 01:36:24.159 --> 01:36:26.239 You know, it wasn't at all like today. And when 1408 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:30.079 you're talking about when you're talking about a true working 1409 01:36:30.199 --> 01:36:35.319 class where you have you know, people integrated with productive machines, 1410 01:36:35.439 --> 01:36:39.640 like literally you know, all doing the same job. They 1411 01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:42.000 become part of that machine and they can they can 1412 01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:46.039 stop that machine. And like that's why that's also why 1413 01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:50.359 scab labor became a thing, because you can, if you've 1414 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:52.079 got like a if you got like a young man 1415 01:36:52.199 --> 01:36:55.840 literally with a strong back, if you can physically handle 1416 01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:59.479 it and endure it psychologically and physically, you can teach 1417 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:02.319 any strong young guy to do this job. Like that's 1418 01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:04.720 part of that's part of what was critical to this 1419 01:37:04.920 --> 01:37:09.399 paradigm is that we're talking about physically very difficult but 1420 01:37:09.600 --> 01:37:13.039 unskilled labor. You know, it's basically, you know, it's like 1421 01:37:13.119 --> 01:37:17.199 a labor army. That's why Spengler talked about how the 1422 01:37:17.279 --> 01:37:21.680 city is a barracks because urbanization at scale, that's why 1423 01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:23.800 it doesn't make any sense anymore. And like since the 1424 01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:30.399 seventies when the federal government stopped bailing out cities, which 1425 01:37:30.479 --> 01:37:34.119 was a huge deal under the Ford administration, Gerald Ford, 1426 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:39.000 like the whole that demand scramble has been to like 1427 01:37:39.039 --> 01:37:41.520 find a way to like make cities profitable because like 1428 01:37:41.800 --> 01:37:44.520 they don't make sociological sense, you know, other I mean, 1429 01:37:44.840 --> 01:37:48.199 I think cities are important for sociological and historical reasons, 1430 01:37:48.560 --> 01:37:52.199 but they exist. The reason why cities exist as we 1431 01:37:52.359 --> 01:37:55.800 know them is as worker barracks, you know, and finding 1432 01:37:55.840 --> 01:38:00.920 a way to make them profitable. When that paradigm went away, 1433 01:38:01.119 --> 01:38:04.079 it has been a very difficult thing and it's still 1434 01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:04.880 it's ongoing. 1435 01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:09.239 Something you said there that uh just triggered something right 1436 01:38:09.279 --> 01:38:15.000 in my brain was about general strikes. And you know, 1437 01:38:15.119 --> 01:38:17.119 a lot of people will say, oh, the reason why 1438 01:38:17.239 --> 01:38:21.000 you ship your you ship your manufacturing over to China 1439 01:38:21.199 --> 01:38:24.000 is because you know, it's cheaper to manufacture there and 1440 01:38:24.119 --> 01:38:27.239 ship back here than it is to manufacture here. Yeah, 1441 01:38:27.279 --> 01:38:29.399 you also don't have a chance. There's no chance of 1442 01:38:29.479 --> 01:38:31.319 having a strike and a shutdown because. 1443 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:33.119 It's yeah, because that's legal, and you're thrown in jail 1444 01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:36.479 or you'll be shot. Yeah, exactly, exactly. 1445 01:38:36.840 --> 01:38:39.159 Right, Well, where's sabotage? Right? Like, think about the average 1446 01:38:39.199 --> 01:38:41.880 forward plant today? How many billions of dollars in humans 1447 01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:45.720 are in capital? Is there at a Ford plant? You know, 1448 01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:50.800 every robot's probably twenty five thirty forty thousand dollars or more. 1449 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:53.319 I have no idea, right, More like I've worked in 1450 01:38:53.319 --> 01:38:55.560 a machine shop, is my first job, and there was 1451 01:38:55.600 --> 01:38:57.840 these machines that literally had been made in World War 1452 01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:01.479 Two that were valued at like seventy five or one 1453 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:03.039 hundred thousand dollars. It's insane. 1454 01:39:03.119 --> 01:39:06.359 Yeah, go ahead, And that was a number of years ago, 1455 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:09.520 so they're probably even more now. Right. So you talk 1456 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:14.600 about an army of labor, Well, armies can go towards 1457 01:39:14.640 --> 01:39:16.399 the other guy, or they can mutiny. And so like 1458 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:20.479 if your workforce mutinies and they destroy a bunch of 1459 01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:23.399 your styff or sabotage any of yourself, and it doesn't 1460 01:39:23.399 --> 01:39:25.640 even need to be much right, Like if if one 1461 01:39:25.680 --> 01:39:29.079 of your lathes is like a tenth degree of a 1462 01:39:29.119 --> 01:39:32.159 degree out of spec, like every single part it puts 1463 01:39:32.239 --> 01:39:34.760 out is going to be wrong. And when you have 1464 01:39:34.840 --> 01:39:37.159 to have tolerances of thousands of an inch in order 1465 01:39:37.279 --> 01:39:39.840 for something to work, like, think about how crazy it is. 1466 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:42.760 It stuck with my friend sand Batch about this, Like 1467 01:39:42.800 --> 01:39:45.680 if anyone understood what a car is, it's a It's 1468 01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:53.640 a metal tube filled up with highly explosive, volatile gasoline 1469 01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:56.319 and you light it on fire and you go down 1470 01:39:56.359 --> 01:40:02.439 the road at ninety miles an hour, Like like, that's crazy. 1471 01:40:02.640 --> 01:40:04.159 And in order for that not to like just fall 1472 01:40:04.239 --> 01:40:07.560 apart or or break, you have to, you know, you 1473 01:40:07.680 --> 01:40:10.239 have to have very tight tolerances. And we're not talking airplanes, 1474 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:12.199 which are even tighter, or you know, anything like that. 1475 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:15.479 This is just cars, and they have relatively loose tolerances 1476 01:40:15.560 --> 01:40:18.119 compared to something like a airplane or let alone anything 1477 01:40:18.159 --> 01:40:24.479 involving space. So you've got these where everything has to 1478 01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:25.199 be up to spec. 1479 01:40:29.399 --> 01:40:33.520 I'll also add two talking about the labor situation and 1480 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:39.399 the radicalization of the laboring classes, as well as World 1481 01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:45.000 War One and managing conflict at scale, you know, this 1482 01:40:45.199 --> 01:40:49.039 kind of thing. Uh, it's like trying to ride some 1483 01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:52.520 out of control animal, like this idea that every step 1484 01:40:52.560 --> 01:40:56.199 of the way the stuff can be controlled or that. Uh, 1485 01:40:57.399 --> 01:41:02.680 there's like discrete kind of temporal snapshots whereby if you're 1486 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:06.279 in an executive role, you can somehow put the brakes 1487 01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:09.079 on things like that. Nonsense, Like these things get out 1488 01:41:09.079 --> 01:41:14.039 of control rapidly, and trying to trying to bring a 1489 01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:19.439 labor revolve under control or trying to end they're trying 1490 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:23.359 to bring a conflict to you know, to to cease fire, 1491 01:41:24.880 --> 01:41:27.439 as was the case in like nineteen sixteen, ninety seventeen. 1492 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:32.399 That's that's almost impossible, you know, like once these things start, 1493 01:41:32.479 --> 01:41:35.000 they can't really be stopped. They have to run their course. 1494 01:41:35.079 --> 01:41:37.600 And I I mean that was the case if you're 1495 01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:42.359 talking about if you're talking about uh, you know, some 1496 01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:48.079 some some local lord in the fifteen hundreds, if you're 1497 01:41:48.079 --> 01:41:52.399 talking about a national state of eighty million people, you know, 1498 01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:55.760 involved in a war that's rapidly becoming mechanized, you know, 1499 01:41:55.920 --> 01:42:00.760 where where twenty million men are mobilized fighting it. It's 1500 01:42:00.800 --> 01:42:05.880 impossible to stop it, you know, And that's why uh, 1501 01:42:07.600 --> 01:42:10.199 and there were there's in and and the leadership element 1502 01:42:10.319 --> 01:42:12.479 was uniquely ill suited to do that, you know. I 1503 01:42:12.560 --> 01:42:14.199 mean the point again again is the reason why h 1504 01:42:15.520 --> 01:42:18.720 Hitler actually personally hated very few people. I mean, he 1505 01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:22.439 wouldn't have gotten very far as and he certainly wouldn't 1506 01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:25.319 become the most single powerful man in the world if 1507 01:42:25.359 --> 01:42:29.800 he said around hating people. He hated the Kaiser Wilhelm 1508 01:42:30.640 --> 01:42:34.239 and many many veterans did as they should have because 1509 01:42:34.279 --> 01:42:38.760 he was a piece of ship, and Holveg was was 1510 01:42:38.840 --> 01:42:42.920 the real Holveg and Franz Joseph and the Hasbury Empire 1511 01:42:43.560 --> 01:42:46.399 were like the real heroes the central powers in my opinion. 1512 01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:49.279 But and both of them understood that if if this 1513 01:42:49.439 --> 01:42:52.119 war begins, that we won't be able to stop it, 1514 01:42:52.800 --> 01:42:55.079 you know. I Meanwhile, the Kaiser was carrying on and 1515 01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:58.319 with he was like some kind of money python character 1516 01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:00.960 or something. It's like oblivious to these things. I mean, 1517 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:03.159 as we're like a lot of his counterparts, to be fair, 1518 01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:09.840 across the continent. But you know, uh, the German Empire 1519 01:43:09.920 --> 01:43:12.720 was a mixed system. It was, you know, the Bismarckian system. 1520 01:43:13.079 --> 01:43:17.079 There was a genuine separation between state and government, but 1521 01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:18.720 at the end of the day. I mean the Kaiser 1522 01:43:18.800 --> 01:43:22.960 an ultimate war authority, you know, I mean people, the 1523 01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:28.000 general staff, the reichs Consler. You know, these these guys 1524 01:43:28.079 --> 01:43:30.560 had a lot of power, and they had independent power 1525 01:43:30.600 --> 01:43:33.279 to negotiate within reason. But I mean it was in 1526 01:43:33.319 --> 01:43:35.800 the hands of the Kaiser, and like, if you got 1527 01:43:35.880 --> 01:43:38.680 some if you got guys, you know, guys who were 1528 01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:41.840 born in the mid nineteenth century who have been kind 1529 01:43:41.880 --> 01:43:45.960 of cloistered within palace walls, like both physically and conceptually, 1530 01:43:47.199 --> 01:43:53.000 and a modern mechanized war is in their hands. 1531 01:43:53.399 --> 01:43:53.600 Like that. 1532 01:43:53.840 --> 01:43:56.520 That's that's a nightmare, you know, I mean, that's part 1533 01:43:56.560 --> 01:43:56.720 of it. 1534 01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:02.479 Yeah, we got you, we're talking. Hitler was born in 1535 01:44:03.720 --> 01:44:09.279 eighteen and Mussolini was eighteen eighty three, I believe, right, 1536 01:44:09.359 --> 01:44:12.920 So they were young men when like the world had 1537 01:44:13.000 --> 01:44:16.920 changed in a crazy fashion. But all the guys you'd mentioned, 1538 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:21.199 you know, the Kaiser was born in what eighteen fifty three, 1539 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:23.199 I woant to say, I can't remember, but you know, 1540 01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:24.880 like the eighteen fifty Like he was an old man 1541 01:44:24.960 --> 01:44:29.600 by nineteen fourteen, and he was a literal prince, right, 1542 01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:34.600 so he's in this He's never had to work in 1543 01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:38.079 industrial even the kings of France, who you know, quote 1544 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:40.159 unquote worked for a living. They were taught a trade 1545 01:44:40.199 --> 01:44:43.039 as part of their regnal duties, right they were. They 1546 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:46.319 were never taught like, okay, be careful, don't stick your 1547 01:44:46.359 --> 01:44:48.279 finger in this or lose an arm. Like that was 1548 01:44:48.359 --> 01:44:50.039 never a thing that any of these people ever had 1549 01:44:50.079 --> 01:44:50.439 to deal with. 1550 01:44:50.680 --> 01:44:53.760 I think Joseph was an exception, and he was he 1551 01:44:53.840 --> 01:44:56.600 was pussibly elderly by the honest of hostildes. But he 1552 01:44:57.520 --> 01:45:01.479 Franz Joseph, he'd write a really fast, He slept on 1553 01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:04.359 a military cot. He like would fore go a luxury. 1554 01:45:04.479 --> 01:45:06.840 He was a career soldier, like even when he was 1555 01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:09.359 out of active service, like he'd still like, we're a 1556 01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:13.760 uniform every day. Like he didn't like having like regal finery. 1557 01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:16.520 But yeah, go ahead, generally, Yeah, that's he was the 1558 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:17.760 exception that proves the rule. 1559 01:45:18.039 --> 01:45:20.800 Yeah, well he's he's uh. There are people who want 1560 01:45:20.840 --> 01:45:24.039 to canonize him, No one of Catholics particularly, who want 1561 01:45:24.079 --> 01:45:25.880 to canonize him because he was just such a He 1562 01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.319 tried so hard to stop this, you know, and as 1563 01:45:28.359 --> 01:45:30.079 you mentioned, like it had a momentum all its own 1564 01:45:30.760 --> 01:45:33.039 where like no one could stop it. You know, like 1565 01:45:33.239 --> 01:45:37.359 perhaps in nineteen thirteen, like if all the cousins had 1566 01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:40.760 met and been like this is insane, Like if they'd 1567 01:45:40.800 --> 01:45:42.840 gotten together and perhaps done a demonstration like this is 1568 01:45:42.880 --> 01:45:44.800 what a modern machine gun can do, and like had 1569 01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:46.439 a bunch of cows in the field or something. 1570 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:51.520 And that's that's critical too. Like after after Waterloo, there 1571 01:45:51.640 --> 01:45:54.359 wasn't a real European war, Like there was the there's 1572 01:45:54.359 --> 01:45:58.680 the Franco Approaching War, which was like a which was 1573 01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:01.000 like an incredible and that's like we would put the 1574 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:05.199 Prussians on the map, and there was there was the Crimea, 1575 01:46:05.319 --> 01:46:11.159 but the Crimea was like very much restricted to localize theaters. 1576 01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:14.439 But there you know, there wasn't a real like modern war. 1577 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:18.000 There was guys and the guys who'd served the in 1578 01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:21.039 as mercenaries in the war between the States in America, 1579 01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:23.279 Like some of them tried to send the alarm bells 1580 01:46:23.319 --> 01:46:24.960 like look like this is going to be a slaughter. 1581 01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:29.159 But yeah, they people had no idea what like modern 1582 01:46:29.239 --> 01:46:31.560 WaRTeK was like because it had been a century since 1583 01:46:31.720 --> 01:46:33.359 most people have been exposed that kind. 1584 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:38.199 Of thing, and everything had changed so much too. I mean, yeah, 1585 01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:40.319 well that's one of the things I wanted to bring 1586 01:46:40.399 --> 01:46:44.119 up is you go from the Franco Prussian War to 1587 01:46:44.319 --> 01:46:47.319 World War One, which is less than fifty years and 1588 01:46:47.439 --> 01:46:49.880 World War One you have planes that are flying around 1589 01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:53.359 and they're dropping manually dropping bombs out of them, and 1590 01:46:53.479 --> 01:46:57.319 then just less than twenty years later, the Condor Legion 1591 01:46:57.560 --> 01:47:01.720 is frigging lighting cities on fire and Spain. I mean, 1592 01:47:02.279 --> 01:47:07.960 how how do you not how does humanity and people 1593 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:13.520 who are of a yeah, high culture thinking, people who 1594 01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:17.640 are looking towards the eternal and looking towards doing great things. 1595 01:47:18.079 --> 01:47:21.079 How are they not all over the place in trying 1596 01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:24.520 to figure out an ideology when you in twenty years 1597 01:47:24.640 --> 01:47:26.840 you go from oh, here I'm dropping a bomb out 1598 01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:29.119 of a plane with my hand to I just let 1599 01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:30.119 garnic on fire. 1600 01:47:31.920 --> 01:47:35.680 Yeah no, and things like and things like things like 1601 01:47:35.840 --> 01:47:38.560 chemical warfare. I mean, it's not just like poison gas 1602 01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:42.399 is disgusting and it's it's just like awful to contemplate. 1603 01:47:42.720 --> 01:47:44.960 That's a that's a terrible way to die. But this 1604 01:47:45.159 --> 01:47:49.359 idea that you know, I can I can, I can 1605 01:47:49.479 --> 01:47:53.000 fire poison at you, like well outside of visual range 1606 01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:59.479 through like indirect fire, you know, and uh, within seconds 1607 01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:02.600 you'll be like your lungs will shread to pieces and 1608 01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:07.319 you'll die like choking on those pieces. Or you know, 1609 01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:11.560 like you'll you'll scratch your you'll you'll you'll scratch some 1610 01:48:11.760 --> 01:48:14.840 sense of areas your body bloody, because like a blistering 1611 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:18.920 agent is is is like tearing your skin apart, you know, 1612 01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:20.600 like that kind of stuff. It's like something out of 1613 01:48:20.680 --> 01:48:23.399 like science fiction. That'd be like if guys went to 1614 01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:27.720 war tomorrow and like the Ivans or like the Koothies 1615 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.640 have like found a way to like launch like a 1616 01:48:29.760 --> 01:48:32.000 xeno morse at you that like grab your face and 1617 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:33.920 then like pop out of your chest. Like I mean, 1618 01:48:33.960 --> 01:48:35.640 that's I'm being obtoos, but that's like what it would 1619 01:48:35.680 --> 01:48:38.479 be like. But people just like what the fuck, you know, 1620 01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:42.279 like I that I mean not like people were I mean, 1621 01:48:42.319 --> 01:48:45.800 people are habituated to violence, unfortunately, very much in those 1622 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:48.840 days of a non cool like noble sword. But stuff 1623 01:48:48.920 --> 01:48:52.079 like that is just like the horrors of technology kind 1624 01:48:52.119 --> 01:48:53.199 of shit, I guess, is my point. 1625 01:48:55.319 --> 01:48:57.560 Like the largest the Grand Army got was like six 1626 01:48:57.680 --> 01:48:59.720 hundred thousand people, and that was only very briefly, right, 1627 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:03.680 and then like World War One, that's not even I mean, 1628 01:49:05.479 --> 01:49:08.920 that's like casualties for a couple of months. 1629 01:49:09.880 --> 01:49:16.319 You know, Yeah, the burn rate was unbelievable. And well, 1630 01:49:16.319 --> 01:49:20.640 it's also to some of the some of the exhipgencies 1631 01:49:20.680 --> 01:49:23.279 that emerge in game theory and like reach their zenith, 1632 01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:27.199 you know, by the final cycle of the Cold War, 1633 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:31.319 where there's conditions of strategic parody and planning for nuclear 1634 01:49:31.439 --> 01:49:36.680 war fighting. You know, you're like you as commander of 1635 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:39.199 a or as part of the command element of strategic 1636 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:44.279 nuclear forces, your charge of identifying potential war indicators, like 1637 01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:47.199 before the enemy has even started to act, arguably before 1638 01:49:47.239 --> 01:49:51.640 he even understands that conditions are moving towards war, you know, 1639 01:49:51.760 --> 01:49:53.800 and then you know, you've got to be able to 1640 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:57.560 read those indicators and decide whether to like preemptively assault 1641 01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:01.039 or not. Like stuff like that was though those kinds 1642 01:50:01.079 --> 01:50:05.760 of variables were already emergent in nineteen fourteen. And that's 1643 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:08.359 why I believe I agree with. 1644 01:50:09.920 --> 01:50:10.359 A. J. P. 1645 01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:16.640 Taylor When when the Russian Empire, when the Tsar gave 1646 01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:22.520 the order to mobilize, Russia had a two phase mobilization paradigm, 1647 01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:27.199 and once it was implemented, Uh, even if the even 1648 01:50:27.319 --> 01:50:29.680 even if the Czar or I don't know, if the 1649 01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:32.920 Russian Imperial Army had a general staff or not, whatever 1650 01:50:32.920 --> 01:50:36.000 their command element was, even if hear them and put 1651 01:50:36.039 --> 01:50:42.520 the brakes on mobilization. You know, if if if the 1652 01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:45.960 German Empire and the Hats were an empire like hadn't assaulted, 1653 01:50:46.279 --> 01:50:48.359 they would have been dead because they would like roll 1654 01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:52.399 the dice and been like okay, well we'll not mobilize 1655 01:50:52.439 --> 01:50:56.279 and kind you know, taking like the tsar it like 1656 01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:59.000 his word, but it's like if this is a war 1657 01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:04.239 ruse like we're you know, because you don't have force, 1658 01:51:04.279 --> 01:51:06.640 even if you have forces in being, and even if 1659 01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:11.359 you have like a properly trained and outfitted like reserve 1660 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:16.399 system of like able bodied men, they're not like sitting 1661 01:51:16.479 --> 01:51:22.319 around mobilized, you know. So essentially it's the equivalent of 1662 01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:28.840 like deloping metaphorically speaking like well you're dueling opponent, like 1663 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:30.880 it has its weapon trained on you. 1664 01:51:32.199 --> 01:51:32.319 You know. 1665 01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:36.760 So this head I'm sure people listening are gonna think 1666 01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:39.840 I'm I'm being punitive and mean to the Russians. I'm not. 1667 01:51:40.479 --> 01:51:42.560 There's not like a moral component here. I'm saying, like 1668 01:51:42.640 --> 01:51:46.279 in causal terms, when when the Czar gave the order 1669 01:51:46.359 --> 01:51:50.279 to mobilize, forces. The die was cast. They couldn't be 1670 01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:54.720 stopped anymore. When a whole way approached the French at 1671 01:51:54.760 --> 01:51:57.680 the eleventh hour and begged them to stand down. If 1672 01:51:57.760 --> 01:52:02.640 they had done that, I think that that would have 1673 01:52:02.880 --> 01:52:06.079 that would have stayed the hand of the Russians, because uh, 1674 01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:08.960 then they would have been fighting UH, they would have 1675 01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:12.239 been fighting both the German Empire and the Habsburgs on 1676 01:52:12.399 --> 01:52:14.760 like a single front, whereby like the bulk of both 1677 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.720 forces could be thrown at the Czar's army. But that's 1678 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:22.680 that's a bit abstract. But yeah, that that's important to 1679 01:52:22.760 --> 01:52:26.479 consider man and it plays. It also relates to to 1680 01:52:26.600 --> 01:52:31.640 like I said, like like situational awareness, particularly as regards 1681 01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:39.800 UH the window decision temporally, you know, as to responding 1682 01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:47.279 to UH world market conditions. There's a parallel not just 1683 01:52:47.560 --> 01:52:50.279 not just a similar not in terms of similarity like 1684 01:52:50.359 --> 01:52:54.079 structural similarity, but there's a parallel and in terms of causality, 1685 01:52:54.560 --> 01:53:01.520 you know, between military and geopolitical CRISI and UH and 1686 01:53:02.399 --> 01:53:08.119 and economic events at scale, you know, and this is UH, 1687 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:10.680 these are the things that really created kind of like 1688 01:53:10.840 --> 01:53:15.119 the late modern state, you know, like the managerial state, 1689 01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:20.680 if you will, as a, as James Burnham called it. 1690 01:53:22.199 --> 01:53:24.199 You know, like in some ways we're very fortunate. Man, 1691 01:53:24.319 --> 01:53:26.319 Like I'm not. I don't want to pontificate or dereal 1692 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:30.000 the conversation, but I especially if you're old enough to 1693 01:53:30.039 --> 01:53:32.399 remember the Cold War. I mean I was like a 1694 01:53:32.479 --> 01:53:34.840 little kid and like a very young team when the 1695 01:53:34.880 --> 01:53:37.760 Cold War was going on, but it was just something 1696 01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:43.239 you lived with. People these days are like, are compared 1697 01:53:43.319 --> 01:53:47.000 to even forty years ago, or like unbelievably safe. That's 1698 01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:49.520 why it's bizarre. The act like a bunch of hysterical 1699 01:53:49.560 --> 01:53:51.800 old women all the time, are scared of everything. It's like, 1700 01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:54.920 what the fuck you talking about? Like compared to somebody 1701 01:53:54.960 --> 01:53:57.960 one hundred or fifty or forty years ago, you're like 1702 01:53:58.079 --> 01:53:59.159 unbelievably safe. 1703 01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:01.000 But yeah, I didn't mean, well, it's like. 1704 01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:03.760 But but it's also like you say, Thomas, the US 1705 01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:07.000 military is designed just to fight the Cold War. So 1706 01:54:07.279 --> 01:54:10.039 is our political so is our political thought. That's what 1707 01:54:10.159 --> 01:54:13.560 we're taught. We're just I mean that our philosophy now 1708 01:54:13.720 --> 01:54:17.399 is we're just continually fighting the Cold War. Everyone's an enemy, 1709 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:20.079 everyone's out to get us. And then it's just come home. 1710 01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:21.920 And now it's we're fighting the Cold War in our 1711 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:23.520 home on our on the home front. 1712 01:54:24.239 --> 01:54:26.199 Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, and you'd think that 1713 01:54:28.720 --> 01:54:32.119 like again, I you know, the first to admit, first 1714 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:36.319 to emphatically state that history doesn't repeat itself. But when 1715 01:54:36.319 --> 01:54:39.640 you're talking about but I mean, human activity is basically 1716 01:54:39.720 --> 01:54:43.039 like a closed uh loop. You know, like there's like 1717 01:54:43.119 --> 01:54:45.319 limited numbers of like outcomes, you know, and there's like 1718 01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:49.359 there's like there's not like infinite variables like human behavior. Okay, 1719 01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:52.079 so there's like parallels. So if you're trying to you're 1720 01:54:52.119 --> 01:54:55.880 trying to like identify if you're trying to like identify 1721 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:58.479 potental course of action like in any given like emergent 1722 01:54:58.560 --> 01:55:04.239 scenario of a political nature, you know, you you do 1723 01:55:04.359 --> 01:55:06.640 go to the historical record like trying to find parallels. 1724 01:55:06.640 --> 01:55:09.039 I mean, like obviously particularly on things related to like 1725 01:55:09.279 --> 01:55:16.520 military questions. The it's really unprecedented for that that level 1726 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:19.399 like kind of structural sinility the way like America is, 1727 01:55:19.479 --> 01:55:22.560 it's like it's like total inability to like adapt after 1728 01:55:22.640 --> 01:55:27.039 November nineth, nineteen eighty nine, like Bush and Baker were adapting, 1729 01:55:27.399 --> 01:55:29.680 which is it is fascinating how like the deep state 1730 01:55:29.840 --> 01:55:34.800 totally and completely sabotaged, like their vision moving forward to globalism. 1731 01:55:35.000 --> 01:55:36.600 Like I'm not saying you got to think like Bush 1732 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:38.640 was like a like Bush for one was like a 1733 01:55:38.760 --> 01:55:43.479 good guy or something, but surprise, what's that. 1734 01:55:44.439 --> 01:55:46.159 His management at the end of the Cold War, how 1735 01:55:46.239 --> 01:55:48.520 no one got nuked? Is I mean, like it's it's 1736 01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:52.199 really truly. Yeah, it's a remarkable uh diplomatic chievements. 1737 01:55:53.800 --> 01:55:58.319 Yeah, the Gulf War coalition that was uh, the Prussians 1738 01:55:58.319 --> 01:56:00.399 would envy that, like in terms of like how the 1739 01:56:00.439 --> 01:56:05.119 war was executed, but the way he he corralled literally uh, 1740 01:56:06.000 --> 01:56:09.520 you know, the the Syrians, the Saudis, he had that 1741 01:56:09.600 --> 01:56:11.840 he had he had hid the Soviet Union which was 1742 01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:14.720 its final days then like sign off in the operation, 1743 01:56:15.520 --> 01:56:17.239 you know, like he had like he had a literal 1744 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:20.800 like army of the nations like arrayed against Sadam. That's 1745 01:56:20.880 --> 01:56:25.399 that's completely insane. Like the guy was like a historical 1746 01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:28.279 giant of a US president in post war terms. Like 1747 01:56:28.359 --> 01:56:30.039 even if you don't like him, like some guy the 1748 01:56:30.079 --> 01:56:31.800 other day in the Internet was like, you know Bush 1749 01:56:31.840 --> 01:56:34.319 forty one was he was what a gray man? Idiots, 1750 01:56:34.359 --> 01:56:36.439 I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like that, 1751 01:56:36.600 --> 01:56:41.119 that's so like delusional, but but no, but the the 1752 01:56:41.199 --> 01:56:44.079 total inability of the deep state to manage like the 1753 01:56:44.159 --> 01:56:47.840 post Cold War environment, and it shows you like how 1754 01:56:48.000 --> 01:56:52.039 like the rot was deep. Like even people this idea 1755 01:56:52.159 --> 01:56:56.319 that like the Reagan era was like really based and 1756 01:56:56.399 --> 01:56:59.039 the government related shipped together. And don't get me wrong, 1757 01:56:59.119 --> 01:57:03.520 that cadre that that filled out the Bush forty one administration, 1758 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:08.239 like James Baker, Casser Weinberger, Laurence Evelberger, like a bunch 1759 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:12.159 of these guys, Like those guys were like very serious guys, 1760 01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:17.000 especially Baker. Baker's somebody I really admire, Okay, but uh, 1761 01:57:18.119 --> 01:57:24.239 the wider kind of uh national security apparatus, it was 1762 01:57:24.279 --> 01:57:27.840 a bunch of goofs and and idiots, you know, like 1763 01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:31.479 I mean, people who just couldn't handle you know, the 1764 01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:36.359 the changing of the guard figuratively and literally. And and 1765 01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:38.840 then they didn't want the Cold War to end because 1766 01:57:38.960 --> 01:57:41.479 like they they were it was it was it was 1767 01:57:41.560 --> 01:57:43.199 like basically like a con to them. It was just 1768 01:57:43.239 --> 01:57:45.520 like a way of like you know, being able to 1769 01:57:46.600 --> 01:57:50.439 kind of live off the public coffers and profit by 1770 01:57:50.520 --> 01:57:52.119 the ongoing threat of h. 1771 01:57:53.119 --> 01:57:57.159 Of Don of war, Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney just yeah, 1772 01:57:57.239 --> 01:58:00.279 guys like that exactly. They just treated the being higher 1773 01:58:00.319 --> 01:58:03.199 thing like this existential struggle. And I'm I'm just old 1774 01:58:03.279 --> 01:58:06.680 enough to remember like the Cold War when it was 1775 01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:08.720 serious and I grew up next to, you know, a 1776 01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.199 military base on the West coast, and so there were 1777 01:58:11.279 --> 01:58:13.760 times when I was a kid where like you know, 1778 01:58:13.920 --> 01:58:17.039 the f sixteens would come screaming, you know, off their 1779 01:58:18.399 --> 01:58:20.479 off their base and like you know, you knew some 1780 01:58:20.560 --> 01:58:21.680 serious ship was going down. 1781 01:58:22.680 --> 01:58:27.800 Or like when I was in elementary school, we'd still 1782 01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:31.399 we'd have they called them by then, emergency drills, like euphemistically, 1783 01:58:32.079 --> 01:58:35.119 you know, like we'd have to we'd have to go 1784 01:58:35.199 --> 01:58:38.399 to dates, like the bell would ring like three times 1785 01:58:39.359 --> 01:58:41.760 over and over again, and we'd have to like go 1786 01:58:41.920 --> 01:58:45.920 single file to the lower level. And then you'd like 1787 01:58:46.439 --> 01:58:49.079 we're like that was was structure, the reasoning being like 1788 01:58:49.159 --> 01:58:53.720 it was structurally more robust, I guess, And like every 1789 01:58:53.800 --> 01:58:56.560 classroom had like a number that was posted where like 1790 01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:58.319 you'd have to and like they for you like a 1791 01:58:58.399 --> 01:59:01.199 symbol and then like you get down on your hands 1792 01:59:01.199 --> 01:59:03.279 and knees and you duck and cover and like put 1793 01:59:03.319 --> 01:59:05.800 your head like against the wall and we have to 1794 01:59:05.880 --> 01:59:08.239 hold a position for thirty seconds. It was, oh, this 1795 01:59:08.399 --> 01:59:10.920 is the emergency, driel Yeah, well the only emergency you 1796 01:59:11.039 --> 01:59:15.800 do that in is nuclear war, okay, And so this, uh, 1797 01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:19.199 I felt like slapping people. I mean even not just 1798 01:59:19.479 --> 01:59:21.880 not just I get kids a pass like young people, 1799 01:59:21.920 --> 01:59:24.960 I mean people fuckers like my age and older. Like 1800 01:59:25.000 --> 01:59:27.279 when the COVID thing was everything, We've never faced a 1801 01:59:27.439 --> 01:59:29.199 threat like this. I'm like, what the fuck are you 1802 01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:33.279 talking about? Are you insane? You know, like I, I 1803 01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:36.319 and every other kid in America grew up with the 1804 01:59:36.399 --> 01:59:40.800 reality you might become counter value attrician, you know. I mean, 1805 01:59:40.920 --> 01:59:45.800 like it was the seasonal flu is like an existential menace, 1806 01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:50.319 unlike anything really like it's but that's that's a digression. 1807 01:59:51.119 --> 01:59:54.319 Well it is I think a good illustration of just 1808 01:59:54.359 --> 01:59:58.560 how fundamentally unserious are our elite have become, Right, Like 1809 01:59:59.399 --> 02:00:02.039 I've talked about on Peacha before and everyone should check out, 1810 02:00:02.119 --> 02:00:05.960 like his series is Doctor Johnson on Twitter years together. 1811 02:00:06.000 --> 02:00:08.399 But like, fundamentally, this whole Ukraine thing is just because 1812 02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:11.520 like a bunch of American neocons are still salty about 1813 02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:15.319 the Hammannitsky program program from sixteen forty eight. I mean, 1814 02:00:15.600 --> 02:00:18.119 That's that's why the war in Ukraine is a thing, right. 1815 02:00:18.079 --> 02:00:23.000 And I mean the tribe absolutely hates Russia. Like the 1816 02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:26.199 degree to which they hate Russia like can't be overstated, 1817 02:00:27.039 --> 02:00:31.720 like just anecdotally. I kind of like Ralph Bakshi, even 1818 02:00:31.760 --> 02:00:34.439 though he's like a huge fucking Jew, like you know, 1819 02:00:34.520 --> 02:00:38.000 the animator. He made this really interesting movie called American Pop, 1820 02:00:38.039 --> 02:00:40.800 and I really like that movie, and it's basically about 1821 02:00:40.840 --> 02:00:44.399 this family. It follows these four generations of these guys. 1822 02:00:44.920 --> 02:00:47.359 Like one of them is like this vaudeville performer, Like 1823 02:00:47.439 --> 02:00:49.560 one of them is just like piano prodigy gets killed 1824 02:00:49.560 --> 02:00:51.680 in World War two. One of them is like this 1825 02:00:51.840 --> 02:00:54.439 songwriter's kind of like a cross between like Louied and 1826 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:57.520 did Ramone who becomes like this huge heroin addict and 1827 02:00:57.640 --> 02:01:01.039 his son then becomes this like like uh, this like 1828 02:01:01.199 --> 02:01:04.479 huge rock star, you know, like in the nineteen eighties. 1829 02:01:04.520 --> 02:01:07.760 It's it's a cool movie, but it opens up where 1830 02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:12.039 the Cossacks are like programming like the Russian Jews, because 1831 02:01:12.079 --> 02:01:14.039 like even Ba actually used like this like New York 1832 02:01:14.119 --> 02:01:16.359 City guy. He's like, oh, you know, the Russians are 1833 02:01:16.399 --> 02:01:19.199 like you know, they're doesn't have the Semitic bastards like that, 1834 02:01:19.359 --> 02:01:22.880 that's literally like their number one enemy. They fucking hate 1835 02:01:22.920 --> 02:01:26.479 the Russians and the Russians have no love for them. 1836 02:01:26.560 --> 02:01:30.359 But the Ukraine Wars complicated, it's it's in large measure 1837 02:01:30.359 --> 02:01:34.399 where it was returning the serve for the Russians and 1838 02:01:35.239 --> 02:01:40.399 Assad's forces, uh, levying a huge defeat against id F 1839 02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:45.239 and there and their tech fery proxies in Syria. Yeah, yeah, 1840 02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:47.439 but I mean it so yeah, like anybody, anybody doesn't 1841 02:01:47.479 --> 02:01:50.159 understand like the dynamic between the Russians and the Jews 1842 02:01:50.199 --> 02:01:54.039 as of people, like it's not in the game, right, Yeah, absolutely. 1843 02:01:53.800 --> 02:01:56.760 But but we're you know, we're dealing with right, both 1844 02:01:57.319 --> 02:02:01.000 both world wars start over like border disputes in Eastern 1845 02:02:01.039 --> 02:02:04.720 Europe that heavily involved Jews, right, and we're supposed to 1846 02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:08.680 just sit here and like be like this is fine 1847 02:02:09.000 --> 02:02:12.279 and and get more involved in like wait a minute, 1848 02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:16.279 didn't World War One start over a border dispute with Slavs? 1849 02:02:16.680 --> 02:02:20.920 And well, just this idea too, I mean, just like 1850 02:02:21.000 --> 02:02:23.439 the monumental ignorance like it made the point of people before, 1851 02:02:25.119 --> 02:02:27.760 you know, like the American left, like guys like Peter 1852 02:02:27.960 --> 02:02:31.479 Arnett and and the like, and in media especially. I mean, 1853 02:02:31.560 --> 02:02:34.319 I thought those guys were terrible people, but there was 1854 02:02:34.439 --> 02:02:39.199 like a consistency to them, and you know they they 1855 02:02:39.359 --> 02:02:42.520 there there, there wasn't internal logic to like their perspective 1856 02:02:43.520 --> 02:02:46.439 like the American left now like they want to like 1857 02:02:47.640 --> 02:02:51.239 they they're basic a chewleading section for uh, for like 1858 02:02:51.319 --> 02:02:54.479 the warfare state. Like it's bizarre. These people are totally illerate, 1859 02:02:55.279 --> 02:03:01.399 you know, like uh like if the uh if you know, 1860 02:03:01.479 --> 02:03:03.800 it's like that scene in the movie Caligula, which is 1861 02:03:03.840 --> 02:03:08.920 probably apocryphal, where it's like Caligula he he orders the 1862 02:03:09.039 --> 02:03:11.920 roleman Allegiance to like assault the seed, to like conquer 1863 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:16.720 like Poseidon's kingdom or like Neptune, I guess his kingdom. Okay, 1864 02:03:16.920 --> 02:03:19.079 Like if Joe Biden had like ordered like the US 1865 02:03:19.159 --> 02:03:22.800 Marines wottack the Atlantic Ocean, like these fagats would have 1866 02:03:22.800 --> 02:03:25.560 been like, yeah, we hate the Atlantic Ocean. They're like 1867 02:03:25.760 --> 02:03:29.640 racist and stuff like like they're they're literally retarded, you know, 1868 02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:32.439 like they they couldn't find Ukraine on a map, but 1869 02:03:32.640 --> 02:03:35.159 they you know, it's like if you're gonna pretend to 1870 02:03:35.279 --> 02:03:39.640 like care about some other country, Ukraine is literally it's 1871 02:03:39.920 --> 02:03:42.520 it's a failed state in order of Somalia, like run 1872 02:03:42.600 --> 02:03:46.119 by a literal like homicidal criminal mafia. It's like sitting 1873 02:03:46.119 --> 02:03:50.439 around saying you love like Edia means Uganda, Like you know, 1874 02:03:50.479 --> 02:03:53.279 it's like you really you love Ukraine, like you think 1875 02:03:53.319 --> 02:03:55.640 like the Zelenski mafia is awesome, and it's like your 1876 02:03:55.720 --> 02:03:57.880 idea of like a good government that then needs to 1877 02:03:57.920 --> 02:04:00.520 be defended, like it's you can't, you can't make this 1878 02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:03.439 ship off. These people are they're literally insane and they're 1879 02:04:03.439 --> 02:04:04.279 literally retarded. 1880 02:04:05.680 --> 02:04:09.560 Well, and I mean, of course you're right, but this 1881 02:04:11.000 --> 02:04:21.760 this notion that like individual rights or that a society 1882 02:04:22.640 --> 02:04:29.920 where you're like weird devotion to transsexualism as a religious value, 1883 02:04:32.079 --> 02:04:34.720 absolute personal autonomy to the point of of you know, 1884 02:04:34.840 --> 02:04:44.359 like shedding male and female and you know, total liberation 1885 02:04:44.479 --> 02:04:48.439 from any kind of that that's possible in any kind 1886 02:04:48.479 --> 02:04:52.840 of society that actually functions, right. You know, these people 1887 02:04:52.880 --> 02:04:55.520 will talk about like, well, you're a gender fascist, but 1888 02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:57.840 because I think boys are boys and girls are girls, 1889 02:04:58.279 --> 02:05:04.039 Like if if egalitarian rousey and liberalism leads you to 1890 02:05:04.119 --> 02:05:09.960 the point where you think, like cross dressing is a 1891 02:05:10.119 --> 02:05:12.920 major political issue as opposed to like a very weird, 1892 02:05:13.159 --> 02:05:15.159 very niche fetish that should be you. 1893 02:05:15.199 --> 02:05:19.279 Know, yeah, that's why you're like people I make that 1894 02:05:19.319 --> 02:05:21.079 point of feel all the time. It's like, don't. It's 1895 02:05:21.119 --> 02:05:22.880 like what the fuck you're doing, Like arguing with like 1896 02:05:23.000 --> 02:05:25.960 sexual paraphilias. It's like there's all these people are insane, 1897 02:05:26.000 --> 02:05:30.560 and those times that aren't insane, it's like they're they're 1898 02:05:30.600 --> 02:05:33.000 basically like they're a making fun of you, and there 1899 02:05:33.159 --> 02:05:36.119 be like running up you sabotage. You don't like engage 1900 02:05:36.159 --> 02:05:39.000 people who like say crazy things. That's like arguing with 1901 02:05:39.079 --> 02:05:41.439 some hobo on the subway with like shit in his pants, 1902 02:05:41.479 --> 02:05:43.600 you know, like you don't. It's like I'm not gonna 1903 02:05:43.640 --> 02:05:45.840 argue with these fucking people. You're like not just because 1904 02:05:45.840 --> 02:05:49.199 I don't argue with my people's enemies. But it's like, yeah, 1905 02:05:49.239 --> 02:05:50.760 it's like you just said, it's like if you're if 1906 02:05:51.159 --> 02:05:53.840 if if what you believe is politics is like talking 1907 02:05:53.920 --> 02:06:01.479 about like parrot sexual paraphilias, like uh, like I you know, 1908 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:05.720 traditionally like the remedy that would would would be a 1909 02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:06.600 heavy shot. 1910 02:06:08.039 --> 02:06:10.159 Right and with good reason, right, like and this is 1911 02:06:10.279 --> 02:06:13.239 this is why, this is why like you've seen. 1912 02:06:14.359 --> 02:06:17.319 Yeah, we're I'm not going to advocate murdering people, but 1913 02:06:17.399 --> 02:06:19.279 I'm also not going to argue with them and pretend 1914 02:06:19.439 --> 02:06:21.560 like they have some position that deserves being heard. 1915 02:06:21.760 --> 02:06:27.560 Yeah, I'm just enough younger than you. I think that 1916 02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:33.359 like everyone, like I'm in my mid forties, so everyone 1917 02:06:34.000 --> 02:06:36.119 younger than me, like has no coherent memory of like 1918 02:06:36.159 --> 02:06:43.279 a coherent society. And why they're constantly talking about fascism 1919 02:06:44.000 --> 02:06:47.800 and why the research engine interest today. And I think 1920 02:06:48.199 --> 02:06:50.199 one of the great services you provide, Thomas, and I 1921 02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:54.199 kudos and plaudits for this. You know, in the dark 1922 02:06:54.279 --> 02:06:56.800 years in the seventies, eighties and nineties, when all the 1923 02:06:56.800 --> 02:06:59.079 men who'd actually been there were dying of old age 1924 02:06:59.680 --> 02:07:01.800 and they're or a few people like yourself, Mark Webber, 1925 02:07:01.880 --> 02:07:08.239 a couple others who kept the light alive. Around twenty 1926 02:07:10.279 --> 02:07:15.039 thirteen or so, it was the twenty twelve election where 1927 02:07:15.760 --> 02:07:17.840 you know, you had like literally movie star, a handsome 1928 02:07:18.439 --> 02:07:21.720 like Graying Temple's Mitt Romney, right, like you know, he's 1929 02:07:21.760 --> 02:07:23.479 like the central casting Republican. 1930 02:07:23.840 --> 02:07:25.960 No, yeah, he had great here, yeah, you know, like 1931 02:07:26.479 --> 02:07:28.119 you know, well yeah. 1932 02:07:28.359 --> 02:07:33.880 Right, but but you know, Conservatism like they saw that 1933 02:07:35.520 --> 02:07:40.199 like it had failed, like like we lost to Obama again. 1934 02:07:41.159 --> 02:07:44.720 You know, like this guy obvious lightweight, probably a homosexual, 1935 02:07:44.880 --> 02:07:48.680 like yeah, just an empty suit. And you know the 1936 02:07:48.760 --> 02:07:51.239 O eight crisis he'd done nothing about, you know, done 1937 02:07:51.279 --> 02:07:53.359 nothing with that, and you just give a tool of 1938 02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:53.800 the banks. 1939 02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:57.279 And it was just also like this random guy like 1940 02:07:57.359 --> 02:07:59.399 it didn't his cannas, he didn't make any sense. It's 1941 02:07:59.439 --> 02:08:01.479 like if you were going to like if you're gonna 1942 02:08:01.479 --> 02:08:05.239 take I'm dating myself as reference. But people remember J. C. Watts. 1943 02:08:05.359 --> 02:08:08.119 He was this He was a Canadian football league jock, 1944 02:08:08.560 --> 02:08:11.039 and he was kind of the Republican's token like black guy. 1945 02:08:11.520 --> 02:08:13.319 He was just kind of like slick black dude who 1946 02:08:13.319 --> 02:08:16.840 always like wore really nice suits, and he came up 1947 02:08:16.880 --> 02:08:19.439 as kind of carnye you know, like oh I'm J. C. 1948 02:08:19.600 --> 02:08:19.880 Watts. 1949 02:08:19.920 --> 02:08:21.840 I'm like I'm like I'm like hands on him in 1950 02:08:21.920 --> 02:08:25.239 like Hollywood terms, like polite black man. It's like, okay, 1951 02:08:25.239 --> 02:08:28.000 if're gonna draft a guy like that and like make 1952 02:08:28.159 --> 02:08:30.800 him and like install him as president, like okay, get it, 1953 02:08:31.239 --> 02:08:33.840 or if you're gonna draft some like Spanish guy is 1954 02:08:33.920 --> 02:08:36.560 like you know, this is like mister immigrant, like Spanish 1955 02:08:36.640 --> 02:08:40.479 guy who like bootstrapped himself into success and like basically 1956 02:08:40.520 --> 02:08:43.720 make his candidacy like a reality TV show. How are fake? 1957 02:08:43.840 --> 02:08:44.079 That was? 1958 02:08:44.159 --> 02:08:46.439 It's like, okay, get that. It's like Obama. It's like, 1959 02:08:46.720 --> 02:08:52.119 here's this random guy who's like from Hawaii. You know, 1960 02:08:52.680 --> 02:08:55.439 we're gonna pretend he's from Chicago, and then we're gonna 1961 02:08:55.479 --> 02:08:59.680 pretend he's black. Like the whole thing was like very random, 1962 02:09:00.640 --> 02:09:03.560 straight and pretend he's right. Like yeah, but it made 1963 02:09:03.600 --> 02:09:05.399 but it's like why. It's like, why are you gonna 1964 02:09:05.399 --> 02:09:09.560 pretend he's black? Like why if you're gonna like, yeah, 1965 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:13.520 it's like either draft an actual black guy or make 1966 02:09:13.600 --> 02:09:17.079 the narrative. He's just like, say, it's another world colored person. 1967 02:09:17.319 --> 02:09:20.159 Like why it made no fucking sense. And that's also 1968 02:09:20.239 --> 02:09:23.239 why the guy's like totally forgotten now because they had 1969 02:09:23.319 --> 02:09:24.880 no context. You know. 1970 02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:28.439 It's yeah, he has he has CIA connections. That's why 1971 02:09:28.479 --> 02:09:31.079 they ended up. But anyway, the thing that thing to 1972 02:09:32.279 --> 02:09:36.640 think about, right is and this is where I came in. 1973 02:09:36.760 --> 02:09:38.439 I came in and came into the movement about twenty 1974 02:09:38.560 --> 02:09:42.359 years ago and after the failure of the Ron Paul Revolution, 1975 02:09:45.319 --> 02:09:50.439 and you know, you really only are given these three alternatives, right, 1976 02:09:51.079 --> 02:09:53.920 how do you deal with this? Mass society where millions 1977 02:09:53.960 --> 02:09:57.520 of people are you know, turning wrenches in a car factory, 1978 02:09:57.600 --> 02:10:00.479 or millions of people are you know, driving to and 1979 02:10:00.560 --> 02:10:03.000 from work every day. Millions of people are you know, 1980 02:10:03.520 --> 02:10:05.760 logging into the computers. Millions of people are doing all 1981 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:11.079 these things, and you know, the coherent alternatives are like 1982 02:10:12.279 --> 02:10:15.359 capitalism as we know it, which is which has failed 1983 02:10:15.439 --> 02:10:18.600 people my age and younger, like spectacularly. They can't afford houses, 1984 02:10:19.199 --> 02:10:23.039 they can't get married, they can't save, they can't they 1985 02:10:23.319 --> 02:10:25.960 can't afford to live anywhere safe. They have to live 1986 02:10:26.000 --> 02:10:28.520 in vans, like you know, that was a joke when 1987 02:10:28.560 --> 02:10:30.279 we were a kid, you know, Chris Frowley and then 1988 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:33.800 you live in a right, Yeah, well now that's like 1989 02:10:33.960 --> 02:10:35.920 that's like aspirational, like oh you live in a really 1990 02:10:36.000 --> 02:10:37.800 nice van down by the river. You know, Like wait 1991 02:10:37.840 --> 02:10:39.319 a second, Like when I was a kid, this was 1992 02:10:39.399 --> 02:10:43.279 like not a good thing, and now like it's all 1993 02:10:43.359 --> 02:10:46.760 that you know, younger like older zoolers younger but literis 1994 02:10:46.800 --> 02:10:47.319 can afford. 1995 02:10:47.640 --> 02:10:50.479 And so it's going on for a minute. I mean 1996 02:10:50.520 --> 02:10:53.520 absolutely right when I was uh, when I was home 1997 02:10:53.720 --> 02:10:55.680 was I mean like much of that was like my 1998 02:10:55.760 --> 02:10:59.359 own fault. I'm not not saying that like conditions like 1999 02:11:00.359 --> 02:11:03.279 mac or economic conditions made me homeless, but I'd meet 2000 02:11:03.399 --> 02:11:07.159 like other homeless people and a lot of them were, Yeah, 2001 02:11:07.199 --> 02:11:10.319 they were like young guys and girls where they couldn't 2002 02:11:10.880 --> 02:11:14.079 they literally couldn't afford rent or whatever or like I'm 2003 02:11:14.159 --> 02:11:16.279 certainly not a mortgage, and they had like fucked up 2004 02:11:16.359 --> 02:11:19.760 parents who basically threw them out. They were like or 2005 02:11:19.800 --> 02:11:22.079 were like shitheads who like wouldn't let them stay with 2006 02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:24.079 them while they got on their feet, and it was 2007 02:11:24.119 --> 02:11:28.920 like eye opening. I'm like, wow, that's terrible, but uh right, 2008 02:11:29.039 --> 02:11:32.279 I'm gonna I'm gonna raise up and I'm gonna I 2009 02:11:32.279 --> 02:11:33.840 don't want to be abrupt, but I figure I've been 2010 02:11:33.880 --> 02:11:36.600 going for an hour and I'm still kind of not 2011 02:11:36.880 --> 02:11:40.199 feeling great. We can take this up again sometime and 2012 02:11:40.279 --> 02:11:42.119 in the next few days or like in a week, 2013 02:11:42.159 --> 02:11:43.840 if you guys want to make this. And I'm going thin, 2014 02:11:44.560 --> 02:11:45.600 I think, I think. 2015 02:11:45.520 --> 02:11:49.680 It's been really great. But I just and I'm happy 2016 02:11:49.680 --> 02:11:51.680 to hear to listen to you talk anytime, but I 2017 02:11:51.720 --> 02:11:55.039 think it's important for the listener to realize, like, you know, 2018 02:11:55.479 --> 02:11:59.520 there's a reason like hardcore Bolsheviks. After the two thousand 2019 02:11:59.520 --> 02:12:02.079 and eight crisis, like did the Occupy Wall Street thing 2020 02:12:02.199 --> 02:12:04.159 and then it failed because they were obsessioned with like 2021 02:12:04.800 --> 02:12:09.680 DEI stuff. And why the resurgence of influence, our interest 2022 02:12:09.800 --> 02:12:15.119 in in you know, fascist alternatives. Why why there's a 2023 02:12:15.159 --> 02:12:17.520 bunch of guys who are thirty years old and who 2024 02:12:17.640 --> 02:12:20.319 Stan Hitler is Because you've seen the same kind of 2025 02:12:20.359 --> 02:12:23.359 conditions that you know created the revolution in the first 2026 02:12:23.439 --> 02:12:28.279 place in Wymar, Like you know, there's hyperinflation and trainees 2027 02:12:28.479 --> 02:12:30.159 and like Jews are in charge. 2028 02:12:30.039 --> 02:12:33.800 And like, no, I think young people are awesome, Like 2029 02:12:33.920 --> 02:12:36.199 not just because I mean, young people are the future. 2030 02:12:36.319 --> 02:12:38.119 I mean that's who we should be focused on anyway. 2031 02:12:38.239 --> 02:12:41.600 But young guys and girls generally, they're shit together. That's 2032 02:12:41.600 --> 02:12:44.640 why I like, I don't like when people trash zoomers 2033 02:12:44.680 --> 02:12:47.319 because I mean, that's that's stupid anyway, and like a 2034 02:12:47.359 --> 02:12:51.439 shitty way to be. But zoomers have a lot of 2035 02:12:51.800 --> 02:12:55.239 they got a lot of uh dynamic energy and and 2036 02:12:55.319 --> 02:12:56.920 even like a lot of the zoomers on the left, 2037 02:12:57.000 --> 02:13:00.359 Like I was talking to some of these kids that 2038 02:13:00.520 --> 02:13:04.520 I ran across at the at the DNC protest and 2039 02:13:04.640 --> 02:13:07.119 like other places, and like a lot of them uh 2040 02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:14.000 they're kind of naive and in terms of their utopian concepts, 2041 02:13:14.079 --> 02:13:16.640 but a lot of them are are kind of they 2042 02:13:16.680 --> 02:13:19.079 read you guys like a manual Vollerstein and they read 2043 02:13:19.239 --> 02:13:22.159 uh like they read serious left wing stuff and they 2044 02:13:22.239 --> 02:13:28.039 realize that, they realize that like pro regime like perverts, 2045 02:13:28.720 --> 02:13:31.359 like our pieces of shit and like they're their enemy. 2046 02:13:32.079 --> 02:13:33.199 Yeah them. 2047 02:13:33.960 --> 02:13:35.800 Yeah, I'm not saying it's great if kids read Marks 2048 02:13:35.840 --> 02:13:39.119 and Lenin, but I they're at least that's serious stuff. 2049 02:13:39.199 --> 02:13:43.880 It's not it's not it's not like regime pornography and 2050 02:13:44.239 --> 02:13:45.680 like bougie fucking garbage. 2051 02:13:46.199 --> 02:13:48.520 No, that's true. And I was talking with a friend today, 2052 02:13:50.159 --> 02:13:51.960 like the most depressed people in the world right now 2053 02:13:52.079 --> 02:13:56.640 and for probably the last fifty years at least, have 2054 02:13:56.840 --> 02:14:05.319 been like indigenous Christians in Israel, in West Bank and Gaza, Palestine. Yeah, 2055 02:14:05.720 --> 02:14:08.960 and like to give those guys in the left at 2056 02:14:09.000 --> 02:14:11.359 least credit, they're they're at least serious about like these 2057 02:14:11.399 --> 02:14:14.720 people are oppressed and they're being murdered by the thousands 2058 02:14:15.119 --> 02:14:17.039 by this regime. They might call a fascists, I might 2059 02:14:17.079 --> 02:14:19.560 call it. And there's some truth that because Jabatanski was 2060 02:14:19.560 --> 02:14:22.039 a fascist. Right Lil Coup found of the Lil Coup Party, 2061 02:14:22.159 --> 02:14:25.680 Like it's basically just stole Stoll Mussolini's notes and so. 2062 02:14:25.720 --> 02:14:28.920 We know leecudism is like it's like a prestiche of 2063 02:14:29.319 --> 02:14:33.199 of of of all kinds of things that don't really 2064 02:14:33.239 --> 02:14:37.199 make sense and in the context is implemented. But yeah, 2065 02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:42.560 it's no, there's uh, these are these are amazing times 2066 02:14:42.640 --> 02:14:47.079 and and things are incredibly I'm incredibly optimistic. And anybody 2067 02:14:47.079 --> 02:14:51.039 who's not doesn't anybody's not said they're like, uh, addicted 2068 02:14:51.079 --> 02:14:53.439 to their own addicted to like the stink of their 2069 02:14:53.479 --> 02:14:56.800 own failure and misery, or they're just like not engaged 2070 02:14:56.840 --> 02:14:59.840 with you know, what's what's happening around them. 2071 02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:04.479 No, I think a lot of yeah, i'll help us, 2072 02:15:04.760 --> 02:15:07.680 I'll help us close out here. I think I think 2073 02:15:07.840 --> 02:15:11.359 just a lot of people too are their whole stick 2074 02:15:11.920 --> 02:15:14.520 is nothing is going to ever get better, and that's 2075 02:15:14.600 --> 02:15:17.359 and they're just selling it and the other monetizing that. 2076 02:15:17.640 --> 02:15:20.000 So all right, let me let you guys, Let me 2077 02:15:20.079 --> 02:15:22.800 let you guys get out of here. Thomas, two plugs 2078 02:15:22.800 --> 02:15:26.279 and then d you can promote whatever you want. 2079 02:15:28.079 --> 02:15:30.680 Yeah, the best place to find me is on my substick. 2080 02:15:30.880 --> 02:15:35.119 That's where all kinds of good stuff happens. It's a 2081 02:15:35.439 --> 02:15:40.960 real Thomas seven seven seven. That's substick dot com. That's 2082 02:15:41.600 --> 02:15:44.319 I mean, that's the place to go. You can find 2083 02:15:44.359 --> 02:15:47.399 everything I do there, just hyperlinks and stuff to what 2084 02:15:47.520 --> 02:15:53.239 else they do. My social media is all is at 2085 02:15:53.800 --> 02:15:58.239 Capital R E A L underscore number seven h O 2086 02:15:58.359 --> 02:16:02.640 M A S H seven seven seven And yeah, well 2087 02:16:02.680 --> 02:16:04.960 we well we convene wherever you guys want and just 2088 02:16:05.039 --> 02:16:05.880 give me a couple of times. 2089 02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:10.359 Notice cool, d you got something, thank you for uh yeah, 2090 02:16:10.399 --> 02:16:12.359 thanks for having me. Pete. I just have you know, 2091 02:16:12.399 --> 02:16:16.880 the fundamental principle on substack Fundamental Principles dot substack dot 2092 02:16:16.960 --> 02:16:22.000 com and uh you know dumb Road of FP podcast 2093 02:16:22.079 --> 02:16:24.880 at dutgun road dot com. So people are interested in 2094 02:16:25.079 --> 02:16:27.199 my religious project, that's what there you can find me. 2095 02:16:27.199 --> 02:16:29.600 And then of course you know, I'm privileged to be 2096 02:16:29.680 --> 02:16:31.960 here once a month with Pete with the Hot Crime Syndicate, 2097 02:16:32.040 --> 02:16:34.079 So please give that a listen and I'll do my 2098 02:16:34.159 --> 02:16:36.920 standard design off of like you know, go to Freeman 2099 02:16:36.959 --> 02:16:40.120 and on the wall slash support kick Pete a few bucks. 2100 02:16:40.280 --> 02:16:42.879 It's you know, he does so much work behind the scenes, folks, 2101 02:16:43.000 --> 02:16:45.799 like he helps so many people, you know, not just me, 2102 02:16:45.959 --> 02:16:48.879 not just Thomas, but but dozens of people all the time. 2103 02:16:49.319 --> 02:16:51.479 And so please support the people that don't lie to you. 2104 02:16:52.920 --> 02:16:54.479 You know, all of us work pretty hard at this 2105 02:16:55.239 --> 02:16:56.639 and you know, a couple of bucks if you can 2106 02:16:56.680 --> 02:16:58.200 spare it helps a lot. So thank you. 2107 02:16:59.639 --> 02:17:03.600 All right, thanks lot, guys, have a good night. I 2108 02:17:03.680 --> 02:17:05.840 want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Jona Show. 2109 02:17:06.799 --> 02:17:10.520 So the interesting thing about this episode is this episode 2110 02:17:10.639 --> 02:17:14.479 is a year late. We had this episode planned for 2111 02:17:14.639 --> 02:17:20.079 July thirteenth of last year, and then something really weird 2112 02:17:20.319 --> 02:17:24.760 happened in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania, and we ended up talking 2113 02:17:24.799 --> 02:17:29.760 about that, and well, what better time than on the 2114 02:17:29.840 --> 02:17:36.239 year anniversary to revisit the subject of the infrastructure of 2115 02:17:37.040 --> 02:17:43.239 the NSDAP and Germany of nineteen thirty of the nineteen thirties, 2116 02:17:43.479 --> 02:17:48.920 and yeah, especially as our infrastructure is crumbling around us. So, Thomas, 2117 02:17:48.959 --> 02:17:49.639 how are you doing today? 2118 02:17:51.799 --> 02:17:54.000 Yeah, I'm doing pretty well. Man. Thanks for including me. 2119 02:17:54.879 --> 02:17:56.000 Coolde, how are you? 2120 02:17:56.639 --> 02:17:58.719 I'm great, man. It's always a pleasure to beyond with you, 2121 02:17:58.760 --> 02:18:01.479 and always a pleasure to beyond with Tom. I've learned 2122 02:18:01.520 --> 02:18:05.239 with some guys. Man, the college classes every single one 2123 02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:08.799 of your guys, the series or a series of college lectures. 2124 02:18:08.920 --> 02:18:10.040 It really is fantastic. 2125 02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:12.079 And that's a great problem. And thank you. 2126 02:18:13.040 --> 02:18:15.959 See this is this is your subject, man, this is 2127 02:18:16.000 --> 02:18:18.799 your idea. I'm just getting interject to ask questions. Why 2128 02:18:18.799 --> 02:18:21.360 don't you take off and go where you want to go? 2129 02:18:21.440 --> 02:18:23.680 All right, well, I'll try to try to keep the 2130 02:18:23.719 --> 02:18:29.040 autism to a minimum here. But just as a brief aside, 2131 02:18:29.200 --> 02:18:34.600 I'll give you a brief sketch. The road network in 2132 02:18:34.639 --> 02:18:38.479 Europe wasn't as good as it was in the time 2133 02:18:40.000 --> 02:18:46.879 of the Five Good Emperors again until like the late 2134 02:18:47.040 --> 02:18:56.360 nineteenth century and McAdam invented his mcadamization asphalt paving process. 2135 02:18:56.399 --> 02:18:59.719 And I want to say, like eighteen thirty. So a 2136 02:18:59.799 --> 02:19:02.799 man like a road network where nothing is paved or 2137 02:19:02.840 --> 02:19:06.200 hardly anything is paved, and only like cities might have cobblestones, 2138 02:19:07.159 --> 02:19:12.000 and maybe maybe maybe like major highways between say like 2139 02:19:12.680 --> 02:19:22.040 Rome and Ostia might be paved. But that's not normal now. 2140 02:19:22.200 --> 02:19:24.319 I mean, like you can get like lightly laden carts 2141 02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:29.399 and stuff, you know, to and front places, but really 2142 02:19:29.719 --> 02:19:31.840 like in order to keep the road from training into 2143 02:19:31.920 --> 02:19:34.719 like a mud bog, you gotta pave it to keep 2144 02:19:34.760 --> 02:19:41.719 the water off. And the most efficient way to transport 2145 02:19:41.760 --> 02:19:43.760 to anything is of course via water, which is why 2146 02:19:43.799 --> 02:19:48.280 Germany is richer than Italy, because Italy has one real 2147 02:19:50.000 --> 02:19:52.680 river valley, the po in the north and it and 2148 02:19:53.319 --> 02:19:57.239 it outflows into Venice, which is you know, a decent 2149 02:19:57.319 --> 02:20:00.799 port only because of the heroic efforts of the Venetians themselves. Right, 2150 02:20:00.879 --> 02:20:06.399 it's normally very swampy and not a difficult or a 2151 02:20:06.479 --> 02:20:08.719 very difficult place to make it a living. Only the 2152 02:20:08.799 --> 02:20:12.719 heroic efforts of the Venetians have made it someplace prosperous 2153 02:20:12.719 --> 02:20:17.159 and liveable. And you know, France has got six huge 2154 02:20:17.920 --> 02:20:21.959 river valleys. Basically, nowhere in the UK or nowhere in 2155 02:20:22.040 --> 02:20:27.040 England itself is more than twenty five miles from water 2156 02:20:27.399 --> 02:20:31.479 from from like a port that'll get to get to water. 2157 02:20:31.639 --> 02:20:34.520 So that's why those two countries were in Germany were 2158 02:20:34.559 --> 02:20:37.319 the most prosperous countries in Europe. You know, Spain only 2159 02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:41.479 has the Ebro. So in a world where like heavy 2160 02:20:41.520 --> 02:20:43.799 transport has to be done via water basically because the 2161 02:20:43.879 --> 02:20:49.000 roads aren't up to it, Like how do you develop internally? Right, 2162 02:20:49.079 --> 02:20:54.479 in Germany, it'd only been united since what eighteen seventy one, 2163 02:20:55.440 --> 02:20:59.440 was that I want to say seventy nine, right, okay, 2164 02:20:59.479 --> 02:21:03.040 eighteen seven, So like like four years after uncle is born, 2165 02:21:04.079 --> 02:21:09.799 is you know, like you know is or four years before? Right? 2166 02:21:10.000 --> 02:21:12.319 Like this is not all right? 2167 02:21:12.319 --> 02:21:15.159 I'm sorry I was thinking Musolini? Right? So yeah, So 2168 02:21:15.280 --> 02:21:19.440 you know Musolini's born in eighteen eighty three, right, he's 2169 02:21:19.920 --> 02:21:22.879 only thirteen years before is when Italy was was was 2170 02:21:24.280 --> 02:21:29.559 again a whole political entity. And you know Hitler was 2171 02:21:29.600 --> 02:21:32.879 only like ten years before Hitler was born was when 2172 02:21:32.959 --> 02:21:39.200 Germany became a whole nation again. So you have these 2173 02:21:40.239 --> 02:21:42.239 what had been you know, how do you how do 2174 02:21:42.280 --> 02:21:45.000 you integrate like the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies road 2175 02:21:45.079 --> 02:21:49.680 network into the Papal States road network, into the City 2176 02:21:49.760 --> 02:21:53.920 states and the North road network. You know, do you 2177 02:21:54.079 --> 02:21:59.200 have the same standards in Bavaria and Pomerania? How does 2178 02:21:59.280 --> 02:22:02.520 that work? So you've got this huge coordination problem that 2179 02:22:02.559 --> 02:22:08.600 takes forever to figure out. And at least in the 2180 02:22:08.600 --> 02:22:12.600 Holy Roman Empire, a big part of what made like 2181 02:22:12.959 --> 02:22:17.360 little baronies economically viable was their traditional right to tax. 2182 02:22:17.440 --> 02:22:20.040 So you'd have these locks all along this river network 2183 02:22:20.079 --> 02:22:23.959 in Germany where you know, this barren of this one 2184 02:22:24.079 --> 02:22:27.479 little spot would charge a toll. There's this massive increase 2185 02:22:27.719 --> 02:22:30.600 in internal costs, you know, just shipping something down the rhine, 2186 02:22:30.959 --> 02:22:32.600 there'd be a stop here, and a stop here and 2187 02:22:32.639 --> 02:22:38.559 a stop here. So improving the transportation network and essentially 2188 02:22:38.719 --> 02:22:41.200 internal free trade right like what List says, right, internally 2189 02:22:41.200 --> 02:22:45.920 free trade and development allows you to greatly decrease your 2190 02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:51.879 transportation costs, your friction right and allows you to ship 2191 02:22:52.000 --> 02:22:58.200 things over land between rail which is ten times more 2192 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:03.799 efficient than roads. That's why the nineteenth century was the 2193 02:23:03.840 --> 02:23:09.200 century of just railroad mania, right the United States, Germany, France, 2194 02:23:09.760 --> 02:23:14.840 the UK, all over the place. Rail was the name 2195 02:23:14.879 --> 02:23:18.399 of the game. But that rail network that built out 2196 02:23:18.440 --> 02:23:23.000 of the rail network allowed you to build out the 2197 02:23:23.040 --> 02:23:26.680 road network because your transportation costs for things like I 2198 02:23:26.719 --> 02:23:32.399 don't know, gravel all of a sudden drop by fifty 2199 02:23:32.479 --> 02:23:34.959 sixty seventy eighty percent when you can throw it on 2200 02:23:35.040 --> 02:23:37.479 a train, and just. 2201 02:23:38.200 --> 02:23:39.200 As the quick aside. 2202 02:23:39.719 --> 02:23:39.879 You know. 2203 02:23:39.959 --> 02:23:42.200 One of the things that the British wanted to do 2204 02:23:43.920 --> 02:23:46.479 when they when they roprat about purposes, won the Scramble 2205 02:23:46.559 --> 02:23:51.440 for Africa. They wanted to build a railroad that started 2206 02:23:51.520 --> 02:23:55.159 in North Africa and ended at the cap. So basically, 2207 02:23:55.239 --> 02:23:58.879 like they wanted to have like a trans Siberian railroad 2208 02:23:59.040 --> 02:24:04.319 that like spanned Africa, which is totally insane, but it 2209 02:24:04.360 --> 02:24:07.040 would have been it probably would have been viable, man, 2210 02:24:07.079 --> 02:24:09.479 if they could have held it, you know, and if 2211 02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:15.600 they hadn't detonated their own orcus. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry. 2212 02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:18.280 Well, and that's actually part of the you bring it up. 2213 02:24:18.360 --> 02:24:21.440 But like there was a conflict with the Portuguese because 2214 02:24:21.479 --> 02:24:26.760 the Portuguese had Angola and Mozambique, right, and they wanted it. 2215 02:24:26.959 --> 02:24:33.000 They wanted a trans African railway to control their they're 2216 02:24:33.360 --> 02:24:35.719 holdings on the east and west coast and the British 2217 02:24:35.760 --> 02:24:38.719 one of theirs going north south. And they almost got it. 2218 02:24:38.799 --> 02:24:42.479 I mean, I can't remember they actually finished the African railroad. 2219 02:24:42.159 --> 02:24:47.239 Or not, but yeah, that was that was Cecil Roads big. 2220 02:24:47.600 --> 02:24:49.559 That was his big ambition, you know. And in some 2221 02:24:49.680 --> 02:24:52.719 ways Roads Roads kinda reminds me of Blackjack Pershing in 2222 02:24:52.799 --> 02:24:57.840 some ways, I mean, I I think, I mean, obviously 2223 02:24:57.959 --> 02:25:00.239 roads is more roads at a certain time. If he 2224 02:25:00.360 --> 02:25:02.840 was one of these he was one of these kinds 2225 02:25:02.840 --> 02:25:07.559 of imperialist characters that came up through the Crown charter 2226 02:25:08.360 --> 02:25:14.319 system of wealth management and adventurism. I mean, person was 2227 02:25:14.440 --> 02:25:17.680 very much you know, like kind of a a logistics 2228 02:25:17.680 --> 02:25:21.920 and engineering genius and a very effective combat commander. But yeah, 2229 02:25:22.040 --> 02:25:26.079 these guys are really extraordinary in terms of their in 2230 02:25:26.200 --> 02:25:29.239 terms of their intellect. 2231 02:25:31.399 --> 02:25:35.760 Well, and that that leads us to if he hadn't 2232 02:25:35.760 --> 02:25:40.959 had died in an untimely fashion. I don't know what 2233 02:25:41.040 --> 02:25:44.079 your personal opinion of Fritz tot is, Thomas, but I 2234 02:25:44.319 --> 02:25:47.719 am a massive admirer of total personally. 2235 02:25:48.959 --> 02:25:55.319 Doctor and he and Helmar Shocked. Helmar Shocked is a 2236 02:25:55.399 --> 02:26:01.760 reason why the UK delegation to the Internetional Military Treatbunal 2237 02:26:01.840 --> 02:26:05.920 basically intervened and said, you know, you're you're gonna cut 2238 02:26:05.959 --> 02:26:09.680 this man loose because we need him. You know, Toad 2239 02:26:09.879 --> 02:26:15.399 was much more a patriot than Shocked was. But Toad 2240 02:26:15.479 --> 02:26:21.520 and Helmer Shocked were responsible for the uh, the economy 2241 02:26:21.520 --> 02:26:24.239 of the German Reich becoming what it was, and in 2242 02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:31.159 terms of such that such that centrally planned efforts. I mean, 2243 02:26:31.200 --> 02:26:33.879 all banking systems are gonna be somewhat centralized, Okay, I 2244 02:26:33.959 --> 02:26:37.040 mean like that that's not an ethical question, it's a 2245 02:26:37.319 --> 02:26:40.000 it's just reality. But yeah, I think they're they're they're 2246 02:26:40.040 --> 02:26:47.079 both personages who are essential understanding the uh the economics 2247 02:26:47.120 --> 02:26:49.959 of the German Reich. And they were both you know, 2248 02:26:50.120 --> 02:26:56.399 towering intellects and in different aspects of macroeconomic praxie definitely. 2249 02:26:57.040 --> 02:26:59.959 So for those of you who don't know, doctor Fritz 2250 02:27:00.079 --> 02:27:03.399 Tote was the head of organization Tote, which was the 2251 02:27:04.440 --> 02:27:07.559 police Thomas correct my pronunciation because I'm terribout this sort 2252 02:27:07.559 --> 02:27:11.360 of thing. And he was succeeded by Albert Speer, who 2253 02:27:11.440 --> 02:27:16.879 is the guy who uh designed the Volkshall but ultimately 2254 02:27:16.959 --> 02:27:21.840 turned trader and after the war and and a low 2255 02:27:21.920 --> 02:27:28.959 opinion of that anyway, doctor Tote goes to uh, you 2256 02:27:29.000 --> 02:27:31.600 know technically University of Munich and gets gets a pH 2257 02:27:31.719 --> 02:27:39.639 d in uh civil engineering on on effectively paving roads. 2258 02:27:40.600 --> 02:27:44.360 And he is the one who's responsible for the audubon 2259 02:27:45.159 --> 02:27:48.440 for the Atlantic Wall from for for honestly most of 2260 02:27:48.959 --> 02:27:59.200 you know, the Third Reich's construction projects. He was the inspector. 2261 02:27:59.280 --> 02:28:01.840 Jennifer watered End is the right a minister for armaments munitions. 2262 02:28:01.879 --> 02:28:04.920 I mean, yeah, that was the key. That's what I mean. 2263 02:28:04.959 --> 02:28:09.120 The key really played was as armaments minister, you know, 2264 02:28:09.319 --> 02:28:13.280 in terms of the war effort and and some of 2265 02:28:13.319 --> 02:28:19.639 these projects that were essential to national defense. To be 2266 02:28:19.719 --> 02:28:23.000 clear about the Autobon too, this kind of mass highway 2267 02:28:23.239 --> 02:28:28.600 system I raised Pershing because you know, Pershing was Eisenhower 2268 02:28:28.840 --> 02:28:31.799 was a disciple of Pershing, and that's basically where he 2269 02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:35.879 inherited the idea for what became the interstate system, and 2270 02:28:36.000 --> 02:28:39.200 like a mass highway system, among other things, on a 2271 02:28:39.280 --> 02:28:43.639 continent sized scale, you needed to be able to deploy 2272 02:28:44.360 --> 02:28:48.280 forces and being an event of general war, and that 2273 02:28:48.399 --> 02:28:50.799 was one of the reasons for the you know, the 2274 02:28:50.879 --> 02:28:54.360 Eisenhower Expressway system. You know, it's that you can deploy 2275 02:28:54.520 --> 02:29:02.520 east and west rapidly. And the Autobon obviously when Rice 2276 02:29:02.600 --> 02:29:07.200 Commissary at Moscow then was realized, you know it had 2277 02:29:07.239 --> 02:29:10.760 the Soviet Union been defeated and assimilated into the Greater 2278 02:29:10.840 --> 02:29:15.639 German Reich, you know, the the the Autobahn was going 2279 02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:19.120 to go from Spain to the Earls. 2280 02:29:19.520 --> 02:29:24.639 You know, probably even by call really, I mean, why not? 2281 02:29:24.959 --> 02:29:31.159 Why not? No? I think it's it's important to realize that, 2282 02:29:32.920 --> 02:29:39.959 like the the US interstate system is directly Eisenhower got 2283 02:29:39.959 --> 02:29:41.559 to Europe, got to Germany and was like, wow, these 2284 02:29:41.639 --> 02:29:45.440 roads are fantastic and basically just stole the plans. 2285 02:29:46.280 --> 02:29:49.600 And the. 2286 02:29:51.920 --> 02:29:55.280 Early the early days of World War One, with all 2287 02:29:55.280 --> 02:29:59.280 the mobilizations and all the difficulties and the logistical problems 2288 02:29:59.360 --> 02:30:04.680 right of feeding people were so ingrained in the German 2289 02:30:04.760 --> 02:30:07.120 people that they just didn't want that sort of thing 2290 02:30:07.159 --> 02:30:11.600 to happen again. And by building this network of really 2291 02:30:11.639 --> 02:30:16.879 good highways, you could distribute the food. You know, if 2292 02:30:17.159 --> 02:30:20.239 one section is bombed out, you could rebuild that and 2293 02:30:20.319 --> 02:30:22.760 have and route the food around. So the problem with 2294 02:30:23.120 --> 02:30:26.440 the rail is it's way more efficient in terms of 2295 02:30:27.600 --> 02:30:30.760 how much energies needed to move you know, a ton 2296 02:30:30.799 --> 02:30:35.520 of stuff from point A to point B, but you 2297 02:30:35.639 --> 02:30:38.920 messed that one switching yard or that one track up, 2298 02:30:39.760 --> 02:30:43.079 and you know the line is cut. Whereas a road. 2299 02:30:45.559 --> 02:30:49.159 Compatibility too of the rail gauge and stuff causes issues. 2300 02:30:50.239 --> 02:30:52.600 I just wanted to see you real quick too. I've 2301 02:30:52.600 --> 02:30:55.159 got almost nothing nice to say as much Spear, but 2302 02:30:57.319 --> 02:31:00.760 some of his design concepts, I think we're pretty brilliant. 2303 02:31:01.520 --> 02:31:06.479 And one of the things he insisted upon and that 2304 02:31:06.639 --> 02:31:11.319 the Fear very much approved of locally. Spears said that, 2305 02:31:11.840 --> 02:31:15.360 you know, we need to source materials locally as much 2306 02:31:15.360 --> 02:31:19.440 as possible in building the Autobond, you know, so we 2307 02:31:19.520 --> 02:31:23.440 need to incorporate natural features into things like bridges, so 2308 02:31:23.639 --> 02:31:26.520 you know, like in a section of the Autobond that 2309 02:31:27.079 --> 02:31:29.440 you know, like stretches through the Ryan Land or whatever is, 2310 02:31:30.040 --> 02:31:33.239 you know, gonna gonna reflect the natural environment there and 2311 02:31:33.319 --> 02:31:36.719 like the local ecology, you know, like ditto for you know, 2312 02:31:38.079 --> 02:31:41.959 East Prussia and what have you, and a lot of 2313 02:31:42.000 --> 02:31:47.200 these this had really great optics, you know, and that 2314 02:31:47.559 --> 02:31:55.079 that can't really as an imperative priority to the German 2315 02:31:55.239 --> 02:31:58.200 roy get you know, the highest levels that can't be 2316 02:31:58.280 --> 02:32:01.520 over sedated. I mean, Hitler was an artist. That's one 2317 02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:03.920 of the things he had in common with Spear. I mean, 2318 02:32:05.079 --> 02:32:09.600 you know, Hitler's primary interest was architecture and things, you know, 2319 02:32:09.680 --> 02:32:12.040 in Spear obviously was kind of a pure architect. I 2320 02:32:12.120 --> 02:32:14.479 mean he had he had keep I mean I stipulated, 2321 02:32:14.520 --> 02:32:18.360 he had capabilities you know that were remarkable. 2322 02:32:18.840 --> 02:32:20.440 As an architect, he was a genius. 2323 02:32:21.120 --> 02:32:21.639 Yeah. Yeah. 2324 02:32:22.520 --> 02:32:26.120 As a political soldier, he left a fair even. 2325 02:32:25.959 --> 02:32:28.319 It's a cynic. I mean I think he Spears the 2326 02:32:28.399 --> 02:32:33.239 kind of guy who you know, he he finds a 2327 02:32:33.239 --> 02:32:37.520 way to win, insinuate himself around powerful men and impressed them, 2328 02:32:37.600 --> 02:32:40.680 and he doesn't care about the politics, and he will 2329 02:32:40.719 --> 02:32:43.600 do it about face as soon as it becomes expedient 2330 02:32:43.680 --> 02:32:43.879 to do. 2331 02:32:44.000 --> 02:32:50.280 So, you know which, which, Yeah, so doctor Tutt, right, 2332 02:32:50.399 --> 02:32:56.200 he dies in a plane crash. He himself won the 2333 02:32:56.559 --> 02:33:00.559 Iron Cross under the German Empire in the First World War. So, 2334 02:33:02.280 --> 02:33:10.959 but the internal road network of Germany, I mean they're 2335 02:33:11.000 --> 02:33:15.760 still using the same autobahn that Fritz Todt built in 2336 02:33:15.959 --> 02:33:21.719 like nineteen thirty eight, right, And not only was it 2337 02:33:21.799 --> 02:33:27.040 a massive internal improvement project, but it's one of the 2338 02:33:27.079 --> 02:33:29.360 ways that you know that the Reike was able to 2339 02:33:33.159 --> 02:33:36.760 to kill unemployment in the Reike was just they didn't 2340 02:33:36.879 --> 02:33:41.479 have trucks, you know. I mean the SS was invading Germany, 2341 02:33:41.799 --> 02:33:44.959 or not invading Germany, invading invading Russia with mules and 2342 02:33:44.959 --> 02:33:50.120 stuff because they didn't have enough trucks, well, because they 2343 02:33:50.120 --> 02:33:52.360 didn't have the earth moving equipment. Because they didn't have 2344 02:33:53.799 --> 02:33:59.680 enough trucks. A lot of this construction got done by hand, right, 2345 02:33:59.799 --> 02:34:03.440 and you had large gangs of laborers that were relatively 2346 02:34:03.520 --> 02:34:08.200 low skilled, but they get told like dig this out 2347 02:34:08.319 --> 02:34:12.360 till it you know this, this slope matches here, and 2348 02:34:12.479 --> 02:34:16.040 you could you can have lots of guys using picks 2349 02:34:16.200 --> 02:34:19.239 and shovels and stuff, and you can build this road 2350 02:34:19.319 --> 02:34:24.079 network internally. That enabled you know, the Germans to shift 2351 02:34:24.200 --> 02:34:32.520 entire divisions from east to west relatively quickly. And in 2352 02:34:32.680 --> 02:34:36.520 terms of you know, building the German economy, right, if 2353 02:34:36.559 --> 02:34:42.399 you're if you're shipping costs go down by I saw 2354 02:34:42.479 --> 02:34:47.120 something by the time they were done taking something from 2355 02:34:47.200 --> 02:34:51.959 the port at Hamburg to Munich, the cost to drop 2356 02:34:52.040 --> 02:34:54.360 by like something like twenty five percent. I want to say, 2357 02:34:56.440 --> 02:35:00.520 but that that could just be so that's tickling the 2358 02:35:00.559 --> 02:35:02.680 back of my brain. But if you're if your costs 2359 02:35:02.959 --> 02:35:07.559 going from Hamburg to Munic go that far down, right, 2360 02:35:07.959 --> 02:35:14.840 that's that's obviously a massive Just go to the internal economy, right, 2361 02:35:14.879 --> 02:35:17.920 there's gonna be more jobs once you're if you're no 2362 02:35:18.040 --> 02:35:20.479 longer working on like the Tuck Gang, right, or you 2363 02:35:20.920 --> 02:35:25.760 maybe you take those construction skills you learned building they 2364 02:35:26.200 --> 02:35:31.079 the uh building the roads to other projects, which is 2365 02:35:31.120 --> 02:35:34.079 what how they ended up with the Atlantic Wall and 2366 02:35:34.520 --> 02:35:37.879 you know like the Channel Islands forts and all of 2367 02:35:37.959 --> 02:35:40.920 these other Internet line Yeah, the six Freed line right 2368 02:35:41.000 --> 02:35:45.600 like much later. Yeah, but right, you have all these 2369 02:35:45.680 --> 02:35:51.040 experienced personnel and you know, before they call we were 2370 02:35:51.079 --> 02:35:57.440 talking right the notion that like, oh you know, it's socialism. 2371 02:35:57.520 --> 02:36:00.440 They're they're using the government to build all these projects. 2372 02:36:01.680 --> 02:36:05.200 Does anybody really think that like a Bechtel or a 2373 02:36:05.319 --> 02:36:08.799 Conico Phillips or a GM or really a private company. 2374 02:36:10.159 --> 02:36:14.000 Let's also the whole point. I mean, the reason why, 2375 02:36:15.399 --> 02:36:21.040 the reason why the one thing that the Warsaw Pact 2376 02:36:21.120 --> 02:36:24.879 excel at was in military hardware, you know, and things 2377 02:36:24.959 --> 02:36:29.600 like space fearing vehicles is because obviously, like the spontaneous 2378 02:36:29.680 --> 02:36:34.479 ordering of the price mechanism isn't essential to like building 2379 02:36:34.520 --> 02:36:38.040 a good tank, and you don't require I mean, I 2380 02:36:38.079 --> 02:36:40.719 don't even know what those inputs would be. Like we're gonna, 2381 02:36:41.479 --> 02:36:44.040 you know, we're gon, we're gonna but we're gonna accept 2382 02:36:44.200 --> 02:36:47.600 bids on who can like build the best auto bond, 2383 02:36:47.680 --> 02:36:50.120 and then we're gonna take a hands off approach however 2384 02:36:50.200 --> 02:36:53.200 they want to devise it. I mean, like, I yeah, 2385 02:36:53.280 --> 02:36:59.159 that doesn't make any sense. And all uh, all capitalism 2386 02:36:59.319 --> 02:37:04.159 and the industrial era is state capitalism. So yeah, it's 2387 02:37:04.239 --> 02:37:07.200 neither here nor there to suggest that there's this like 2388 02:37:07.399 --> 02:37:11.719 public private distinction. We're talking about fixed capital definitely. 2389 02:37:13.680 --> 02:37:19.159 I think that as you built, you can completely crazy. 2390 02:37:19.159 --> 02:37:23.159 There is no such thing as like particularly things like 2391 02:37:23.280 --> 02:37:26.440 roads or canals or anything like that, right, Like the 2392 02:37:26.559 --> 02:37:28.760 notion that like, oh, this is a private enterprise, Like. 2393 02:37:28.760 --> 02:37:29.520 No, it's not, it's not. 2394 02:37:29.680 --> 02:37:33.120 It's one of those things that the libertarians get completely, 2395 02:37:33.399 --> 02:37:37.319 completely wrong. The free market is going to build you know, this, 2396 02:37:37.639 --> 02:37:41.000 this highway system. Something you talked about earlier, Thomas, is 2397 02:37:41.360 --> 02:37:46.639 the aesthetics. Right. I have a quote from from Hitler 2398 02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:50.319 somewhere from I think it's from the book Hitler's Engineers, 2399 02:37:50.360 --> 02:37:54.520 But he said, you know, our roads have to be 2400 02:37:54.559 --> 02:38:00.319 beautiful and as they reflect us as a people. And 2401 02:38:01.120 --> 02:38:10.879 I'm paraphrasing here, the the Autobahn as envisioned by Hitler 2402 02:38:10.959 --> 02:38:15.200 and Tote reflects that German artistic soul that's very ordered 2403 02:38:15.319 --> 02:38:19.280 but also has this kind of longing for beautiful things 2404 02:38:20.000 --> 02:38:26.799 and harmony. Yeah. Yeah, but the interstate highway system in America, 2405 02:38:27.000 --> 02:38:30.600 particularly as you get west of the Mississippi, is the 2406 02:38:30.639 --> 02:38:36.079 most brutal, utilitarian like just like massive project you've ever 2407 02:38:36.159 --> 02:38:38.559 seen in your life, right, And. 2408 02:38:38.680 --> 02:38:42.159 Yeah, yeah, we're out ninety four through town is not beautiful. 2409 02:38:42.159 --> 02:38:46.920 Right, Well, And the reason it's not right is because 2410 02:38:48.120 --> 02:38:52.399 the Reich was using mostly hand labor and what what lecurists. 2411 02:38:52.440 --> 02:38:55.280 Explosives they did have had to be saved either for 2412 02:38:55.399 --> 02:39:00.879 wartime or for something where like you're a whole a 2413 02:39:00.959 --> 02:39:04.680 tunnel or something right, or clearing canal. So they just 2414 02:39:04.760 --> 02:39:07.879 didn't have the you know, the massive amount of explosive 2415 02:39:08.360 --> 02:39:11.280 and the personnel to use it. It just willing nearly 2416 02:39:11.319 --> 02:39:11.719 the way. 2417 02:39:12.799 --> 02:39:16.120 They're really fancyated me. There's this book called Hitler in 2418 02:39:16.200 --> 02:39:19.639 the Power of Aesthetics by this guy named Frederick Spots 2419 02:39:21.159 --> 02:39:28.120 and Spear designed and built a lot of these projects 2420 02:39:30.000 --> 02:39:33.639 with an eye for what was called ruined value, you know, 2421 02:39:33.760 --> 02:39:36.479 and that's that's why the Germans had certain ideas about 2422 02:39:37.239 --> 02:39:42.719 you know, discrete building materials like feral concrete, because the 2423 02:39:42.840 --> 02:39:46.440 ethos was, we've got to think about three thousand years 2424 02:39:46.520 --> 02:39:49.440 from now, you know, we we've got we've got to 2425 02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:53.719 have our great works leave ruins, you know, like that 2426 02:39:53.959 --> 02:39:58.920 of the Valley the Kings in Cairo, or like the Parthenon, 2427 02:39:59.520 --> 02:40:04.120 or like the Aliseum. You know, this is a deliberately 2428 02:40:04.319 --> 02:40:09.360 historical enterprise that spams millennium, you know, and that's that 2429 02:40:09.559 --> 02:40:12.959 underlies you know, very much like the ethos of the right, 2430 02:40:13.040 --> 02:40:14.520 and I find that very compellent. 2431 02:40:15.000 --> 02:40:18.000 Yeah, it does. And just to give you an idea 2432 02:40:18.040 --> 02:40:21.239 of why that's actually better to elaborate here for a second. 2433 02:40:21.319 --> 02:40:26.879 So the United States after nineteen forty seven, right has 2434 02:40:28.319 --> 02:40:34.559 effectively what is unlimited manpower, unlimited expertise, unlimited resources. And 2435 02:40:34.680 --> 02:40:40.000 so they build out the federal highway system and they 2436 02:40:40.159 --> 02:40:43.559 just make it straight because that's the most efficient. And 2437 02:40:43.639 --> 02:40:46.159 if there's a little hill in the way, they'll just 2438 02:40:46.239 --> 02:40:47.639 throw a bunch of dynamite. They've got a bunch of 2439 02:40:47.680 --> 02:40:48.680 guys who did demo. 2440 02:40:48.520 --> 02:40:48.840 In the war. 2441 02:40:48.920 --> 02:40:53.280 They can absolutely, you know, just just blast. So you'll have, 2442 02:40:53.840 --> 02:40:56.600 you know, sections of road in the United States that 2443 02:40:56.680 --> 02:41:02.120 are five, ten, fifteen, twenty miles long, just in a 2444 02:41:02.319 --> 02:41:09.479 straight line. And as you're driving across like North Dakota, 2445 02:41:09.600 --> 02:41:12.200 dear listener, no offense intended to any of our listeners 2446 02:41:12.239 --> 02:41:15.360 in North Dakota, it gets really hard to pay attention 2447 02:41:15.559 --> 02:41:21.879 when you're like just going twenty miles straight, right, even 2448 02:41:22.159 --> 02:41:22.600 at eighty. 2449 02:41:22.520 --> 02:41:25.879 Miles tailored for a highway hypnosis exactly right. 2450 02:41:26.479 --> 02:41:29.879 So, because the Germans didn't have all that access to 2451 02:41:31.280 --> 02:41:34.399 easy blasting paths, they had to, you know, roads have 2452 02:41:34.520 --> 02:41:40.440 to follow the path that is most flat relatively speaking. 2453 02:41:41.079 --> 02:41:42.879 And so if you've got to go like and make 2454 02:41:42.959 --> 02:41:47.159 a slight curve to the left or you know, gently 2455 02:41:47.239 --> 02:41:50.120 kind of rise and follow the terrain a little bit more, 2456 02:41:52.000 --> 02:41:55.719 that's actually makes a better drive. You don't you don't 2457 02:41:55.719 --> 02:41:57.719 do things like fall asleep the way you can, like 2458 02:41:58.000 --> 02:42:02.079 you know, if you're driving from I ninety from Liken 2459 02:42:02.200 --> 02:42:07.559 to you know, Seattle, right, there's places where you're just 2460 02:42:07.600 --> 02:42:09.319 gonna fall asleep because there's nothing. 2461 02:42:09.920 --> 02:42:14.120 We realized too, Like if you like automobiles, and you know, 2462 02:42:14.479 --> 02:42:16.959 I always I mean I don't drive these days, but 2463 02:42:17.399 --> 02:42:19.040 you know I was really like I always really like 2464 02:42:19.200 --> 02:42:21.479 driving in cars and stuff when I was young, you know, 2465 02:42:21.600 --> 02:42:25.120 like driving them and working on them and the you know, 2466 02:42:25.239 --> 02:42:27.680 the all these Carol Shelby designs, you know that were 2467 02:42:27.799 --> 02:42:32.040 Grand Touring designated vehicles, you know, like a touring vehicle. 2468 02:42:32.159 --> 02:42:34.520 I realized, like Ford and all kinds of other American 2469 02:42:34.600 --> 02:42:37.399 companies took on that designation. But it doesn't make any 2470 02:42:37.440 --> 02:42:40.680 sense in America. Maybe it doesn't like Redwood Country somewhat, 2471 02:42:40.760 --> 02:42:44.200 but you know, driving driving a Porsche like around these 2472 02:42:44.239 --> 02:42:47.799 like winding roads through Bavaria, like through the elks. You know, 2473 02:42:47.879 --> 02:42:50.040 it's a totally different experience. 2474 02:42:49.879 --> 02:42:53.000 Right, Yeah, and like like the only places in America 2475 02:42:53.040 --> 02:42:55.719 where like a GT type car makes sense is like 2476 02:42:55.799 --> 02:42:57.799 on the Pacific Coast Highway or something like that. 2477 02:42:57.959 --> 02:43:01.200 Yeah, and then yeah, and I've driven not just one 2478 02:43:01.239 --> 02:43:04.760 O one, but I've driven these mountain roads through like Oregon, 2479 02:43:04.840 --> 02:43:07.079 you know, which are like incredible. So then to know 2480 02:43:07.239 --> 02:43:09.920 me wrong, like America and being at the wheel of 2481 02:43:10.040 --> 02:43:15.799 a you know, like a like a comfortable like big 2482 02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:22.159 block you know, Cadillac or something is uh it's dope, 2483 02:43:22.319 --> 02:43:25.600 but uh it but it's not at all the same 2484 02:43:25.760 --> 02:43:29.360 thing as you know, the the European experience. And even 2485 02:43:31.040 --> 02:43:34.840 there's ah this footage like over Salzburg, you know, eagles 2486 02:43:34.920 --> 02:43:37.959 nests and stuff. You know, like that's a perfect example, 2487 02:43:38.079 --> 02:43:43.959 and there's uh, there's footage of uh what amounts to 2488 02:43:45.399 --> 02:43:47.120 you know, the kind of work what became kind of 2489 02:43:47.159 --> 02:43:52.399 the war console vud Browschich was had been sacked. But 2490 02:43:52.520 --> 02:43:54.479 this just had to be like at the latest like 2491 02:43:54.559 --> 02:43:57.280 great early ninety forty two, you know, like convening it 2492 02:43:57.360 --> 02:44:00.520 over Salzburg and you see like these uh you know, 2493 02:44:00.559 --> 02:44:03.200 you see these like stately vehicles like pulling off and 2494 02:44:03.239 --> 02:44:05.399 it just looks like an incredible drive, Like looks like 2495 02:44:05.479 --> 02:44:07.040 something from another planet or something. 2496 02:44:07.440 --> 02:44:09.120 Oh yeah, could you can you even imagine like in 2497 02:44:09.200 --> 02:44:15.040 a like the Mercedes s K and you're driving from 2498 02:44:15.319 --> 02:44:18.159 Frankfort am Main up to Vienna and like one of 2499 02:44:18.200 --> 02:44:20.239 those bad boys, you know, that just the just the 2500 02:44:20.680 --> 02:44:25.440 aesthetic experience. But because because they didn't have that ability 2501 02:44:25.479 --> 02:44:28.000 to just blast straight through right, the road actually doesn't 2502 02:44:28.120 --> 02:44:30.239 do the role road his notices thing where you're gonna 2503 02:44:30.239 --> 02:44:32.239 fall asleep because there's just nothing to do and nothing 2504 02:44:32.280 --> 02:44:35.959 to I've driven through like South Dakota, and you know, 2505 02:44:36.000 --> 02:44:38.520 like you gotta have you gotta have somebody like sitting 2506 02:44:38.559 --> 02:44:40.040 with you to like punch you in the arm so 2507 02:44:40.120 --> 02:44:41.639 that you don't end up driving off the road. 2508 02:44:42.479 --> 02:44:46.200 You know, No, it's crazy, you know. I take the 2509 02:44:46.280 --> 02:44:49.520 greyund so much. I see a lot of like American highways, 2510 02:44:49.600 --> 02:44:54.040 you know, and uh yeah, they're very flat. It's crazy 2511 02:44:54.120 --> 02:44:57.120 too when you get out west, like the hills, the 2512 02:44:57.159 --> 02:44:59.719 foothills and some of the smaller mountains, they just like 2513 02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:02.040 I asked, these huge tunnels through them and when as 2514 02:45:02.040 --> 02:45:04.719 a little kid, that really like blowing me out because 2515 02:45:04.959 --> 02:45:07.520 they don't have that here in Chicago, but I'd be 2516 02:45:07.559 --> 02:45:09.559 out in California and it's like, yeah, you're just like 2517 02:45:09.719 --> 02:45:12.719 driving through this like mountain tunnel for like freaking you know. 2518 02:45:12.799 --> 02:45:17.120 Like yeah, or you know, driving through this tunnel in 2519 02:45:17.159 --> 02:45:21.079 the Rockies right that that is two miles long, you know. 2520 02:45:21.280 --> 02:45:31.040 But but that's that's something that is I think bye. 2521 02:45:31.120 --> 02:45:34.959 By caring about the aesthetics, by making sure that everyone 2522 02:45:35.879 --> 02:45:38.159 had to have something beautiful to be able to look 2523 02:45:38.159 --> 02:45:42.280 at something that they could be proud of, it really 2524 02:45:44.440 --> 02:45:50.280 uh you know, you can not only not only people 2525 02:45:50.399 --> 02:45:54.920 more likely to maintain it, but it ultimately ends up 2526 02:45:54.920 --> 02:45:57.159 being easier to maintain because you're not fighting nature all 2527 02:45:57.200 --> 02:46:01.639 the time. You know, you can drive nature out with 2528 02:46:01.760 --> 02:46:03.559 the pitchfork because the saying goes, but it always comes back. 2529 02:46:03.600 --> 02:46:12.840 So how do you if the ah, If the road 2530 02:46:12.879 --> 02:46:17.840 itself like is part of the nature, it's not as 2531 02:46:17.920 --> 02:46:25.319 difficult to a constantly be fighting nature to get the 2532 02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:26.239 road accomplished. 2533 02:46:26.760 --> 02:46:31.000 Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I'm. 2534 02:46:30.079 --> 02:46:35.079 Expressing myself poorly because I'm retarded. But and and by 2535 02:46:35.200 --> 02:46:40.719 making that something that is the most important thing as 2536 02:46:40.760 --> 02:46:45.120 you're doing it, do those beautiful roads not only become 2537 02:46:45.719 --> 02:46:51.159 more likely to be maintained and more likely to function longer. 2538 02:46:53.719 --> 02:46:57.600 They they also become an advertisement. And this is this 2539 02:46:57.760 --> 02:47:00.600 is this is why I mean all only this is 2540 02:47:00.760 --> 02:47:03.239 this is why the right got to be destroyed. Right, 2541 02:47:03.319 --> 02:47:11.760 Is that just allowing them to be free was was 2542 02:47:11.799 --> 02:47:14.159 an advertisement against a capitalist system? 2543 02:47:15.280 --> 02:47:19.000 Well, yeah, totally. It was a totally different ethos on potentialities, 2544 02:47:19.520 --> 02:47:23.600 and it transcended conventional politics, you know, I mean and 2545 02:47:24.000 --> 02:47:26.719 like like in some ways, like the Schnalinists did too. 2546 02:47:27.079 --> 02:47:29.280 And I mean, I think Soviet cosmism is sort of 2547 02:47:29.360 --> 02:47:37.840 a callback to that sort of transcendental mysticism of of 2548 02:47:39.239 --> 02:47:42.680 Byzantium stuff. But no, I mean, but that that was 2549 02:47:42.760 --> 02:47:45.840 somewhat incidental, obviously, and it was the result of a 2550 02:47:45.879 --> 02:47:50.079 dialectical process that very much sort of deviated from the 2551 02:47:50.200 --> 02:47:54.120 core ethos of Marcist Leninism. But no, the something that 2552 02:47:54.360 --> 02:48:01.760 the fascists, the National Socialist access Europe was disposed towards 2553 02:48:02.120 --> 02:48:06.600 as an essential aspect of the politics of the era, 2554 02:48:06.879 --> 02:48:10.879 and specifically the revolutionary mandate that they were abiding, was 2555 02:48:11.319 --> 02:48:17.079 you know, something that was epochal in nature and purely 2556 02:48:17.319 --> 02:48:24.079 historical almost and was you know, partook of the highest 2557 02:48:24.159 --> 02:48:32.040 possible forms of human action and cultural productivity absolutely well that. 2558 02:48:32.559 --> 02:48:37.760 I think that something else that needs to be I 2559 02:48:37.799 --> 02:48:40.280 think I've talked about this, Like the entire world changed 2560 02:48:40.360 --> 02:48:51.440 like in you know, in the realm of like commtists, 2561 02:48:51.639 --> 02:48:55.479 right like after the period of five good Emperors, you know, 2562 02:48:55.520 --> 02:49:01.239 Marcus Aurelius. Even then most of the population was agricultural peasants. 2563 02:49:02.479 --> 02:49:05.280 And you could take an agricultural peasant from the time 2564 02:49:05.360 --> 02:49:09.319 of Marcus Aurelius, and there's been some very very good 2565 02:49:09.360 --> 02:49:12.040 alternative history time you know, time travel type stuff, like 2566 02:49:12.120 --> 02:49:14.440 you could take someone like that and take them to 2567 02:49:14.520 --> 02:49:18.840 the world of say, I don't know what point the 2568 02:49:18.879 --> 02:49:22.120 break would be, like the eighteen sixties, and aside from 2569 02:49:22.159 --> 02:49:26.520 like firearms, like most of everything is like readily apparent. 2570 02:49:26.559 --> 02:49:28.319 And still even in the eighteen sixties of the war 2571 02:49:28.360 --> 02:49:30.520 between the States, most of the people in the world 2572 02:49:31.639 --> 02:49:38.159 are agricultural peasants. But you know, in the Psalm in 2573 02:49:38.239 --> 02:49:42.840 nineteen nineteen fifteen and the you know Waterloo in eighteen fifteen, 2574 02:49:43.159 --> 02:49:47.079 like the world changed so completely in that one hundred 2575 02:49:47.120 --> 02:49:53.079 years that nothing was the same afterwards. And the National Socialists, 2576 02:49:53.120 --> 02:49:58.719 the fascist whatever like that, that organization, those that aesthetic 2577 02:49:58.760 --> 02:50:02.920 idea like those were the of the three choices or 2578 02:50:03.120 --> 02:50:08.040 three ways to confront that massive change. Where there was Bolsheviks, 2579 02:50:09.360 --> 02:50:12.600 there is judaeo Masonic capitalism, and then there was this 2580 02:50:12.959 --> 02:50:16.360 this national you know, organic aesthetic romantic nationalism. I don't 2581 02:50:16.360 --> 02:50:21.399 know how else to describe it. But of all those three, 2582 02:50:23.559 --> 02:50:26.760 no one is going to care about. Like if you know, 2583 02:50:26.840 --> 02:50:30.239 the United States government falls apart, no one's gonna care 2584 02:50:30.280 --> 02:50:34.559 about like I ninety one hundred dollars. 2585 02:50:35.239 --> 02:50:38.719 Or or yeah, exactly, or like some morandom federal building, 2586 02:50:39.120 --> 02:50:43.719 you know, downtown. The a film that I like, you know, 2587 02:50:44.959 --> 02:50:47.440 this seems crazy now, but HBO actually used to make 2588 02:50:47.520 --> 02:50:50.760 really good original movies, Like they made this film about 2589 02:50:51.559 --> 02:50:58.319 Andrei Chikatola, the Soviet serial killer, called Citizen X, with 2590 02:50:58.440 --> 02:51:03.920 don On Sutherland in this. Yeah. Still, they made did 2591 02:51:03.959 --> 02:51:08.840 this biopic of Stalin and Robert Duvall. They did a 2592 02:51:08.959 --> 02:51:15.840 film version of Fatherland, the alternative history counterfectual, where the 2593 02:51:15.920 --> 02:51:22.040 German Reich is victorious in World War Two, and uh, 2594 02:51:23.879 --> 02:51:27.440 you know there's in the film it's uh the German 2595 02:51:27.479 --> 02:51:31.280 Reichs preparing for Hitler's seventy fifth birthday celebrations. Joe Kennedy 2596 02:51:31.440 --> 02:51:33.719 is the President Joe Kennedy is trying to end the 2597 02:51:33.840 --> 02:51:36.079 Cold War that exists between America and the Reich. But 2598 02:51:36.600 --> 02:51:39.879 it opens in the year ninety sixty four, and this 2599 02:51:39.959 --> 02:51:44.760 American delegation is touring Berlin, which is now, you know, 2600 02:51:45.680 --> 02:51:50.440 the European like the capital of nation Europa called Germania, 2601 02:51:51.239 --> 02:51:55.239 and it's it's a combination of early CGI and Matt paintings, 2602 02:51:55.319 --> 02:51:59.319 but it looks really cool. And the centerpiece is the Folkshall, 2603 02:52:00.760 --> 02:52:05.280 which would have held one hundred and eighty thousand people. 2604 02:52:06.520 --> 02:52:08.840 Hitler would have been able to access it from what 2605 02:52:08.920 --> 02:52:14.639 would have been the Fure's Palace by way of an 2606 02:52:14.760 --> 02:52:22.840 underground access road and he would emerge by elevator behind 2607 02:52:22.879 --> 02:52:27.360 the podium. And the folks Hall would have been so 2608 02:52:27.719 --> 02:52:31.040 massive that it would have had its own weather inside. 2609 02:52:31.079 --> 02:52:36.319 The clouds would have formed, and it speculated that it 2610 02:52:36.319 --> 02:52:40.920 would have occasionally rained within the dome like stuff like that. 2611 02:52:41.280 --> 02:52:48.719 Is the best thing Amazon has ever done is they 2612 02:52:48.799 --> 02:52:51.159 did the Philip K. Dick Man in a High Castle. Right. 2613 02:52:51.959 --> 02:52:54.680 Yeah, the show is silly, even the optics are brilliant. 2614 02:52:54.920 --> 02:52:55.120 Yeah. 2615 02:52:55.200 --> 02:52:59.120 Yeah, Like I've appropriated the flag that they utilize for 2616 02:52:59.319 --> 02:53:01.559 some of my own purposes because it's that good. 2617 02:53:01.920 --> 02:53:04.319 Oh, the aesthetics were on point. But to give you 2618 02:53:04.520 --> 02:53:06.520 just a here's here's a quote from that the book 2619 02:53:06.559 --> 02:53:10.040 I mentioned Hitler's. Hitler's engineers Fritz Todd and Albert Spear, 2620 02:53:10.280 --> 02:53:15.760 master builders of the third Reich Todt started developing detailed 2621 02:53:15.760 --> 02:53:18.840 plans in July nineteen thirty three, keeping Hitler clostly apprested 2622 02:53:18.879 --> 02:53:21.440 the developments and then inner quote. Although the entire road 2623 02:53:21.479 --> 02:53:23.120 plan was Hitler's, and although he took the first step 2624 02:53:23.159 --> 02:53:24.920 in the organization of the plan, he allowed the General 2625 02:53:24.959 --> 02:53:28.280 Inspector and his staff that is tout to make all decisions. 2626 02:53:28.319 --> 02:53:30.120 He considered a good policy to be in agreement with 2627 02:53:30.200 --> 02:53:32.319 those in daily contact with the problems of highway construction. 2628 02:53:32.600 --> 02:53:35.200 He did, however, offer suggestions when the problems were brought 2629 02:53:35.239 --> 02:53:39.000 to him. The bridge simbolized. As approach to construction, he 2630 02:53:39.120 --> 02:53:41.760 was concerned with beauty and appearance, but the primary goal 2631 02:53:41.840 --> 02:53:45.000 is durability, as he has often stated, quote, we must build. 2632 02:53:45.920 --> 02:53:49.120 What we build must stand long after we're no longer 2633 02:53:49.159 --> 02:53:54.200 here unquote. So you know, do you build a society 2634 02:53:56.200 --> 02:54:01.159 that is concerned with the future and with esthetics, and 2635 02:54:03.920 --> 02:54:06.120 you know, Tucker Carlson has talked about this a little bit, like, 2636 02:54:06.440 --> 02:54:09.479 but but the people who build ugly stuff in America 2637 02:54:09.600 --> 02:54:13.520 cities hate you. They don't care about you. You know, 2638 02:54:13.799 --> 02:54:16.920 if they build you know, people who build ugly stuff 2639 02:54:17.159 --> 02:54:19.840 for you, they're telling you they don't care about you. 2640 02:54:20.799 --> 02:54:22.959 They're telling you that your kids don't deserve to have 2641 02:54:23.959 --> 02:54:25.600 beautiful things in their lives. 2642 02:54:27.799 --> 02:54:32.959 It's also the yeah, and I the concept of the 2643 02:54:33.040 --> 02:54:36.479 geography of nowhere, you know, and because I'm not because 2644 02:54:36.479 --> 02:54:39.239 I because I don't drive, I'm always on foot. And thankfully, 2645 02:54:40.360 --> 02:54:41.959 you know, Chicago is one of the few places you 2646 02:54:42.000 --> 02:54:46.120 can live and not have a car because this public 2647 02:54:46.159 --> 02:54:49.840 transportation everywhere. And one of the reasons I like it 2648 02:54:49.920 --> 02:54:54.079 here is because there's a lot of dedicated nature preserves 2649 02:54:54.159 --> 02:54:58.639 and things. But like most of this country, it's just 2650 02:54:58.799 --> 02:55:02.440 built up ugly and like, you can't you can't be 2651 02:55:02.520 --> 02:55:04.920 a pedestrian a lot of places because there's nowhere for 2652 02:55:04.959 --> 02:55:10.399 you to walk. And you know, architecture and the design 2653 02:55:10.520 --> 02:55:16.079 of living spaces, it physically dictates your movements. Yes, you know, 2654 02:55:16.280 --> 02:55:22.200 because there's that, And yeah, if you live amissed totally 2655 02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:27.600 ugly surroundings, you know, it's it beats you down psychologically, 2656 02:55:28.559 --> 02:55:31.760 you know, Like I when I get out West and 2657 02:55:31.799 --> 02:55:35.399 I'm not trashing people live in the west suburbs like 2658 02:55:35.520 --> 02:55:38.200 west of Olk Park and stuff. You start when you 2659 02:55:38.239 --> 02:55:41.479 get far enough away from like Cook County, it becomes 2660 02:55:41.559 --> 02:55:44.479 like geography and nowhere it's like it's like endless flat 2661 02:55:44.639 --> 02:55:48.000 highways and you've just passed like Buffalo wild Wings and 2662 02:55:48.120 --> 02:55:49.360 like Target and. 2663 02:55:50.319 --> 02:55:53.399 These like dis yeah old Camarts. 2664 02:55:53.440 --> 02:55:55.639 Yeah no, I mean yeah, it's awful man. 2665 02:55:55.959 --> 02:55:59.680 Yeah. I've talked about Jim Cuntzer's you know, geography nowhere 2666 02:55:59.680 --> 02:56:04.280 a ton because it's it's really important actually that you know, 2667 02:56:04.559 --> 02:56:09.799 Chicago's the the last city, like the furthest west city 2668 02:56:09.840 --> 02:56:12.200 where you could actually live like a European style city. 2669 02:56:12.719 --> 02:56:13.079 Mm hm. 2670 02:56:14.280 --> 02:56:18.680 There's a really good book William ey cronin Nature's Metropolis 2671 02:56:18.680 --> 02:56:20.399 about Chicago. You should check it out if you get 2672 02:56:20.440 --> 02:56:28.799 a chance, about the development of Chicago. But if a 2673 02:56:29.360 --> 02:56:32.879 society that cares about itself and cares about its future 2674 02:56:33.360 --> 02:56:36.280 is going to build things that make that society stronger 2675 02:56:36.360 --> 02:56:42.760 internally and a better place to be. And I think 2676 02:56:42.799 --> 02:56:46.520 that you know, what have we built? 2677 02:56:48.159 --> 02:56:48.239 Uh? 2678 02:56:48.360 --> 02:56:50.600 You know, I've been a political adult basically since nine 2679 02:56:50.600 --> 02:56:54.559 to eleven. What is the United States built in the 2680 02:56:54.639 --> 02:56:58.280 last twenty five years that you can say that that's 2681 02:56:58.360 --> 02:57:01.959 gonna that's gonna matter in fifty years. Yeah, it's I 2682 02:57:02.159 --> 02:57:04.120 can't think of a thing. I can't I literally cannot 2683 02:57:04.120 --> 02:57:05.479 think of a single thing in the United States. 2684 02:57:05.680 --> 02:57:09.840 No, and even even these like dedicated monuments where you 2685 02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:13.959 have you know, people who at least have some rudimentary 2686 02:57:14.040 --> 02:57:19.399 idea of esthetical sophistication and you know, how things should 2687 02:57:19.399 --> 02:57:25.000 be harmoniously devised, you know, to kind of comport with 2688 02:57:25.159 --> 02:57:29.479 the natural features of the setting in which it's situated. 2689 02:57:29.840 --> 02:57:32.239 Like a lot of the stuff just looks bad, you know, 2690 02:57:32.399 --> 02:57:36.959 Like I the when when I was in d C. 2691 02:57:37.239 --> 02:57:41.040 Last you know, I went by the World War Two memorial, 2692 02:57:41.479 --> 02:57:44.159 which I thought was kind of tacky anyway, because the 2693 02:57:44.200 --> 02:57:46.719 Evilshman Memorial is the World War two memorial if there 2694 02:57:46.799 --> 02:57:50.520 is one, and there's nothing like apparently offensive about it. 2695 02:57:50.920 --> 02:57:53.920 But it just looks bad, you know, it's something just 2696 02:57:54.000 --> 02:57:54.879 like tacky about it. 2697 02:57:55.000 --> 02:57:57.159 It's like it's just esthetically not well done. 2698 02:57:57.760 --> 02:58:02.760 Yeah, and it's just like totally unremarkable. Yeah, it's you know, no, 2699 02:58:02.959 --> 02:58:07.760 the only this beautiful architecture here and that's kind of 2700 02:58:07.760 --> 02:58:10.479 my reference point for America. I mean, stuff like Mount 2701 02:58:10.600 --> 02:58:15.000 Rushmore is fascinating, you know, but yeah, you'd think that, 2702 02:58:15.159 --> 02:58:18.920 especially because you think that, especially in the years immediately 2703 02:58:18.920 --> 02:58:21.239 after the Cold War, that would have been like a priority, 2704 02:58:22.040 --> 02:58:25.360 you know, not not in some crude triumphilist way, but 2705 02:58:26.040 --> 02:58:30.479 you know, kind of America saying, you know, we defeated 2706 02:58:30.520 --> 02:58:34.760 the communist enemy. You know, now sort of culture can 2707 02:58:34.799 --> 02:58:37.680 reign of an elevated sword that where the standard bearer up. 2708 02:58:37.760 --> 02:58:39.920 Like whether that's true or not is the point. You 2709 02:58:40.040 --> 02:58:44.159 think there'd be that impetus and that sort of desire, 2710 02:58:44.239 --> 02:58:47.479 even if it's exploited for reasons of political expediency in 2711 02:58:47.559 --> 02:58:50.959 ways that are somewhat impere of motive. But there was 2712 02:58:51.040 --> 02:58:51.440 none of that. 2713 02:58:53.680 --> 02:58:57.959 Where was like the Great Symphony to celebrate like the 2714 02:58:58.079 --> 02:59:00.280 end of the Cold War and like the triumph him 2715 02:59:00.799 --> 02:59:04.200 like yeah, or a great a great opera or something 2716 02:59:04.280 --> 02:59:04.440 like that. 2717 02:59:04.680 --> 02:59:07.879 You know that, Yeah, there's nothing, there's there's only there 2718 02:59:07.920 --> 02:59:10.440 was only like an a particularly good song by the Scorpions, 2719 02:59:10.520 --> 02:59:13.760 and I mean obviously they were like from the Blo Republic. 2720 02:59:14.840 --> 02:59:17.239 Yeah, I mean winds It Change is a banger like 2721 02:59:17.280 --> 02:59:19.399 I'm not gonna not gonna knock it, you know, in 2722 02:59:19.799 --> 02:59:22.360 terms of what it is, it's great, but like, yeah, 2723 02:59:22.399 --> 02:59:30.639 there's no and you know, Hitler, it was a pretty 2724 02:59:30.680 --> 02:59:38.239 talented draftsman himself, but yeah, he was great the built environment. 2725 02:59:38.319 --> 02:59:41.159 Like if if if you build a beautiful built environment, 2726 02:59:41.200 --> 02:59:45.559 it's it's no, it's no coincidence that like Mozart and 2727 02:59:45.719 --> 02:59:50.600 the Strauss family and like how many great composers like 2728 02:59:51.079 --> 02:59:53.920 spent all their their great time in Vienna. 2729 02:59:54.920 --> 02:59:57.040 No, and yeah, that's why, and that's why people gravitate 2730 02:59:57.040 --> 03:00:00.879 towards Prague these days, because Prague partakes that same sort 2731 03:00:00.920 --> 03:00:06.040 of Habsburg Baroque beauty. Like I'm always telling people one 2732 03:00:06.079 --> 03:00:08.760 of my destinations if I happened upon a time machine, 2733 03:00:09.280 --> 03:00:13.079 would be Habsburg Vienna, because i mean I'm very very Protestant, 2734 03:00:13.239 --> 03:00:17.319 you know, like, uh, but uh, I find myself taken 2735 03:00:17.440 --> 03:00:22.959 in by that kind of Baroque grandiosity, you know, as 2736 03:00:23.079 --> 03:00:27.799 much as uh, as much as a Roman Catholic person 2737 03:00:27.879 --> 03:00:31.239 would be man like, it's just incredible, right But yeah. 2738 03:00:31.440 --> 03:00:35.239 But but but the reason the reason Vienna pretty so 2739 03:00:35.280 --> 03:00:40.079 many including you know all right Chancellor, right, like all 2740 03:00:40.159 --> 03:00:42.680 of these people were inspired by the beauty that was 2741 03:00:42.719 --> 03:00:43.920 everywhere around them in Vienna. 2742 03:00:46.120 --> 03:00:48.680 Ye Schumpeter, Joseph Schumpeter made that point too, and I 2743 03:00:48.760 --> 03:00:52.760 mean he was you know, uh, you don't associate economists 2744 03:00:52.879 --> 03:00:57.639 with the same sort of creative aesthetical endeavors, but you 2745 03:00:57.719 --> 03:01:01.000 know it, it's but it's every everybody who came out 2746 03:01:01.040 --> 03:01:05.600 of that mil LOEU was, you know, shaped by it 2747 03:01:05.840 --> 03:01:09.799 in terms of their you know, habits and the conventions 2748 03:01:09.799 --> 03:01:13.360 they gravitated to and you know, the things that you're 2749 03:01:13.360 --> 03:01:16.079 inspiration from, sure, you know. And yeah, that's that's what 2750 03:01:16.200 --> 03:01:20.319 great civilizations are made of, is those sorts of those 2751 03:01:20.360 --> 03:01:23.879 sorts of you know, aspects. 2752 03:01:25.399 --> 03:01:27.479 And it's funny because I like, in preparation for this 2753 03:01:27.559 --> 03:01:30.280 episode and just in general, right, you know, I've tried 2754 03:01:30.319 --> 03:01:35.799 to find everything I can in English about this pro 2755 03:01:36.040 --> 03:01:43.559 this movement of construction and infrastructure and right, and I 2756 03:01:43.719 --> 03:01:50.360 can't find anything in English that doesn't just attack, right, 2757 03:01:50.600 --> 03:01:53.159 attack the third Like there's nothing out there. I mean, 2758 03:01:53.200 --> 03:01:55.000 maybe you know, Thomas maybe's got like a book from 2759 03:01:55.840 --> 03:01:58.600 nineteen forty six or something that that might happen if 2760 03:01:58.639 --> 03:02:01.639 you do like DM me later, But well, yeah. 2761 03:02:01.520 --> 03:02:03.319 You can't. You can't take this up seriously. It's the 2762 03:02:03.399 --> 03:02:07.840 same as there'll be something like middling college professor from 2763 03:02:07.959 --> 03:02:11.120 some fourth rae university like talking about how Hitler was 2764 03:02:11.120 --> 03:02:14.159 a loser. It's the same thing. It's like, it's like, okay, bro, 2765 03:02:14.520 --> 03:02:21.120 Like I the guy conquered the Europe from France to 2766 03:02:21.159 --> 03:02:25.799 the Gates of Moscow, defeated the British army, defeated the 2767 03:02:25.879 --> 03:02:31.000 French army, conquered Poland, conquered Czechoslovakia, conquered the low countries, 2768 03:02:31.879 --> 03:02:34.520 stop the American army dead in its tracks. But he's 2769 03:02:34.559 --> 03:02:37.079 like a loser compared He's a quot unquote loser compared 2770 03:02:37.120 --> 03:02:40.879 to some middling college professor. Okay, Like you can't, you can't. 2771 03:02:40.920 --> 03:02:45.440 I mean, it's so preposterous that it's it's it's like 2772 03:02:45.520 --> 03:02:48.719 some hobo maybe a curtain a rod declaring he's the 2773 03:02:48.760 --> 03:02:51.079 emperor of the universe, expecting to take it seriously, or 2774 03:02:51.120 --> 03:02:51.639 something like. 2775 03:02:53.479 --> 03:02:57.079 Beneath me well and and and Joseph Stalin right, Like, 2776 03:02:59.600 --> 03:03:01.559 I don't think people, I mean, I've talked about this 2777 03:03:01.680 --> 03:03:04.280 enough so that people would know or certainly this audience 2778 03:03:04.280 --> 03:03:08.360 as well educated have to know this. But the Iranians 2779 03:03:08.600 --> 03:03:13.959 are not pro American because American trucks and American bullets 2780 03:03:14.000 --> 03:03:16.920 were given to British and Soviet soldiers in nineteen forty 2781 03:03:16.959 --> 03:03:21.440 one to invade their country from four different places. Yeah, right, 2782 03:03:21.719 --> 03:03:24.399 so that they could secure the Persian supplier out which 2783 03:03:24.399 --> 03:03:28.719 supplied forty five divisions worth of troops to the Soviet Union. 2784 03:03:29.079 --> 03:03:33.840 The United States sent ten thousand aircraft from like Montana 2785 03:03:34.040 --> 03:03:37.280 up through Canada, through Alaska all the way across Siberia. 2786 03:03:37.479 --> 03:03:39.079 We're talking like ten We're talking like a third of 2787 03:03:39.079 --> 03:03:39.879 the way around the world. 2788 03:03:40.520 --> 03:03:41.239 Yeah, it's insane. 2789 03:03:42.319 --> 03:03:45.559 And in addition to like, you know, constant convoys over 2790 03:03:45.559 --> 03:03:48.760 the North Atlantic to like the White Sea and the 2791 03:03:48.879 --> 03:03:53.319 worst ocean in the world, and we just lost tons 2792 03:03:53.360 --> 03:03:58.639 of shipping and you know that, right, And if it 2793 03:03:58.760 --> 03:04:02.000 hadn't been for that kind of hero look effort, you know, 2794 03:04:02.000 --> 03:04:04.040 the Serbiance would have lost a war. They say themselves 2795 03:04:04.120 --> 03:04:06.719 that that that's why they would have lost the war. 2796 03:04:07.639 --> 03:04:10.920 Well, yeah, that's why, you know, I mean, I it, uh, 2797 03:04:11.959 --> 03:04:15.879 I'm supposed to listen to some I'm supposed to listen 2798 03:04:15.920 --> 03:04:22.319 to some fourth rate self style propagandists tell me that 2799 03:04:22.479 --> 03:04:27.079 I'm a bad person because I won't accept it was 2800 03:04:27.120 --> 03:04:33.159 an absolute moral imperative to exterminate Western civilization and alliance 2801 03:04:33.239 --> 03:04:36.440 with the Communists. You know, I mean, like I I 2802 03:04:37.920 --> 03:04:40.280 I these people are beneath. 2803 03:04:40.000 --> 03:04:43.959 Me, Thomas. You don't support supporting the Communists? You hate freedom? 2804 03:04:45.079 --> 03:04:47.520 Yeah, and like I if I don't go if I 2805 03:04:47.559 --> 03:04:50.399 don't hate Moslims for no reason, if I don't hate 2806 03:04:50.520 --> 03:04:54.520 my fellow Christians in Palestine, yeah, and go on pretending 2807 03:04:54.600 --> 03:04:56.639 that I'm Jewish, I'm a bad person. 2808 03:04:58.680 --> 03:04:59.879 Yeah, that's like I was a. 2809 03:05:00.239 --> 03:05:02.239 I was always on the impression people acted that way, 2810 03:05:02.319 --> 03:05:05.760 we're mentally ill. But I apparently like no, they're they're 2811 03:05:05.799 --> 03:05:09.399 they're they're just really really bursting with with moral integrity. 2812 03:05:09.520 --> 03:05:12.079 And I'm I'm like a, I'm just like a bad person. 2813 03:05:14.479 --> 03:05:18.600 Yeah. No, that's that's absolutely true, right. And I mean 2814 03:05:18.799 --> 03:05:19.600 we can talk about. 2815 03:05:19.719 --> 03:05:21.840 I don't go to parades either, were guys like pee 2816 03:05:21.879 --> 03:05:23.840 on each other and stuff like apparently I'm supposed to 2817 03:05:23.879 --> 03:05:26.440 do in June, you know, like that that, you know, 2818 03:05:26.520 --> 03:05:28.719 and I do things like honoring like, you know, the 2819 03:05:28.840 --> 03:05:31.120 heroes of my own race instead of like going to 2820 03:05:31.239 --> 03:05:32.159 like Pea parades. 2821 03:05:33.920 --> 03:05:36.680 How dare you, Thomas? How dare you? You know? The 2822 03:05:37.399 --> 03:05:39.319 the I suppose we can talk about this just a 2823 03:05:39.360 --> 03:05:42.959 little bit. You know, a year later, right, the Trump 2824 03:05:43.000 --> 03:05:50.319 skeptical anti Jewish people have been completely vindicated, you know, 2825 03:05:50.600 --> 03:05:52.879 like that there's I only want to bring this up 2826 03:05:52.879 --> 03:05:59.360 because the the only salient and this is something I 2827 03:05:59.399 --> 03:06:01.520 got from Utah, so I'm gonna just steal it, right, 2828 03:06:01.680 --> 03:06:04.920 The only salient political conflict in the world today is 2829 03:06:06.200 --> 03:06:08.600 Zionis versus everybody else. Like, those are the those are 2830 03:06:08.639 --> 03:06:11.040 your options. You're either on team Zionist, you're on team 2831 03:06:11.280 --> 03:06:17.959 like Civilization. And it's the same conflict in nineteen forty one. 2832 03:06:18.159 --> 03:06:20.319 It's the same conflict today, Like you're on team Zionist 2833 03:06:20.399 --> 03:06:22.559 or you're on team Civilization. Those are your those are 2834 03:06:22.600 --> 03:06:25.719 your teams, you know, like Charles and I always used 2835 03:06:25.719 --> 03:06:27.879 to tell each other like it's always January nineteen thirty 2836 03:06:27.920 --> 03:06:32.040 six in Spain, like you got two teams, You got teams. 2837 03:06:33.200 --> 03:06:37.360 Yeah. The fan surprising about Trump. I mean I never 2838 03:06:37.399 --> 03:06:40.120 had any illusions about Trump or I thought he was 2839 03:06:40.200 --> 03:06:43.479 a good guy. The way in which he crashed out 2840 03:06:44.319 --> 03:06:47.719 kind of surprised me because it was really really stupid. 2841 03:06:48.239 --> 03:06:52.000 And he continues to kind of cook himself in the 2842 03:06:52.079 --> 03:06:55.680 court of public opinion when he doesn't have to. Yeah, 2843 03:06:55.959 --> 03:06:58.319 he's become I think he's slipping mentally. 2844 03:06:58.639 --> 03:07:01.200 Yeah, you'd think a Narsiss would have more self respect. 2845 03:07:01.399 --> 03:07:01.559 You know. 2846 03:07:02.120 --> 03:07:05.760 Well he also Trump's a master of manipulating the psychological environment. 2847 03:07:05.840 --> 03:07:09.040 I mean that's really that that that that's really how 2848 03:07:09.360 --> 03:07:12.079 he's gotten to where he is. And it's like he 2849 03:07:12.200 --> 03:07:18.200 totally took leave of you know, his his his Machiavelian 2850 03:07:18.319 --> 03:07:21.200 sensibilities as well as his instincts for how to proceed 2851 03:07:21.799 --> 03:07:25.680 an index with the media cycle. It's he's been doing 2852 03:07:25.760 --> 03:07:28.440 incredibly dumb things. And I mean, not to derail us. 2853 03:07:28.479 --> 03:07:29.920 I got to raise up in a minute too, start 2854 03:07:29.959 --> 03:07:32.280 to be abrupt, I got like ten minutes. But the 2855 03:07:33.159 --> 03:07:35.719 you know, the way you handle this Epstein matter is 2856 03:07:35.719 --> 03:07:38.159 just incredibly stupid. You know, it's not like he got 2857 03:07:38.399 --> 03:07:40.200 it's not like he got merked because he got put 2858 03:07:40.239 --> 03:07:43.040 on the spot and you know, didn't really see a 2859 03:07:43.079 --> 03:07:46.799 way out. So you know, he kind of he kind 2860 03:07:46.840 --> 03:07:50.239 of issued some he kind of made a declaration he 2861 03:07:50.239 --> 03:07:55.159 couldn't deliver on to get you know, a hostile interrogative 2862 03:07:55.239 --> 03:07:57.200 media off his back. And then he came back to 2863 03:07:57.239 --> 03:07:59.000 bite and was like nothing like that just he's just 2864 03:07:59.200 --> 03:08:04.000 doing dumb shit it, you know, and the way he's responded, 2865 03:08:05.200 --> 03:08:08.559 you know, he could have he could have basically playcated 2866 03:08:08.639 --> 03:08:12.280 his masters. Well at the same time, put on airs 2867 03:08:12.399 --> 03:08:16.760 like he was, you know, demanding that you know, us sovereign, 2868 03:08:16.760 --> 03:08:19.840 he be respective visa the Israel, and he did the opposite. 2869 03:08:20.319 --> 03:08:21.760 You know, It's like, what the hell's wrong with you? 2870 03:08:22.000 --> 03:08:28.959 Like you, especially considering the current environment conceptually and the 2871 03:08:29.000 --> 03:08:32.000 way people feel about Israel, that that was about the 2872 03:08:32.120 --> 03:08:36.360 dumbest possible thing you could do. But that's the subject 2873 03:08:36.399 --> 03:08:39.680 for another day. Forgive me, and yeah, forgive me for 2874 03:08:39.760 --> 03:08:45.959 be an abrupt I I we can. We can reconvene 2875 03:08:46.000 --> 03:08:48.719 and continue this subject matter if you guys want to. 2876 03:08:48.840 --> 03:08:50.159 I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys are going to 2877 03:08:50.200 --> 03:08:54.040 continue with it, but I'll rejoin you guys at a 2878 03:08:54.120 --> 03:08:55.879 later date if you want to continue. 2879 03:08:55.559 --> 03:08:58.040 This anytime you want to talk about whatever you want 2880 03:08:58.079 --> 03:09:00.479 to talk about, Thomas, I'm always happy to to you know, 2881 03:09:00.760 --> 03:09:01.440 if you. 2882 03:09:01.479 --> 03:09:05.479 Go now, you should. I'm doing this series now with 2883 03:09:05.639 --> 03:09:08.440 the world at war guys, Nick and Adam, which is great. 2884 03:09:08.639 --> 03:09:11.319 I'm very blessed they wanted to include me. But I 2885 03:09:11.959 --> 03:09:15.040 you know, I also we put like Pete and I 2886 03:09:15.239 --> 03:09:18.079 with a couple other guys. You know, we we do 2887 03:09:18.200 --> 03:09:22.159 the inquisition had Oh you should you should? Yeah, you should, 2888 03:09:22.159 --> 03:09:25.120 you should. You should dip in there sometime, man, anytime. 2889 03:09:25.200 --> 03:09:27.719 I'm I'm I'm a big fan of Astrals and Nick 2890 03:09:27.760 --> 03:09:29.360 and I've been an old friends of mine for years, 2891 03:09:29.360 --> 03:09:29.479 you know. 2892 03:09:30.040 --> 03:09:31.799 Yeah, I know he's a great dude. Okay, Yeah, you're 2893 03:09:31.879 --> 03:09:37.360 you're aware of it. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, I'll 2894 03:09:37.399 --> 03:09:41.479 be in touch and I'm always at long last. I'm 2895 03:09:41.479 --> 03:09:47.120 gonna start, uh, I'm gonna start live streaming on the regular. 2896 03:09:47.200 --> 03:09:49.639 And if it would help, if you'd be willing to 2897 03:09:50.799 --> 03:09:52.600 collab with me on that sometimes too. 2898 03:09:52.959 --> 03:09:57.639 But you call it, you call and I'll jump on man, Like. 2899 03:09:57.840 --> 03:10:00.799 Get my phone number from Pete, man, and like shoot 2900 03:10:00.799 --> 03:10:04.920 me at text, okay in the next couple of days, 2901 03:10:06.040 --> 03:10:09.399 and just like identify yourself when you do, and yeah, 2902 03:10:09.479 --> 03:10:11.680 we'll talk about it over text if that's cool. 2903 03:10:12.079 --> 03:10:15.879 That's fine. Yeah, let's uh, let's close, let's close this 2904 03:10:16.000 --> 03:10:19.479 one down. Then. Yeah, that sounds all right. So Thomas 2905 03:10:19.559 --> 03:10:20.159 get plugs. 2906 03:10:21.920 --> 03:10:28.280 Yeah, you can find me. I run a charity for 2907 03:10:28.399 --> 03:10:31.680 autistic l g b t Q children that now I 2908 03:10:31.719 --> 03:10:32.200 don't do that. 2909 03:10:34.639 --> 03:10:34.959 Stream. 2910 03:10:37.440 --> 03:10:42.000 You can find me at Thomas seven seven seven dot com. 2911 03:10:42.159 --> 03:10:45.079 It's number seven h on me s seven seven seven 2912 03:10:45.120 --> 03:10:49.319 dot com. And uh, my sub stack is where I 2913 03:10:49.760 --> 03:10:52.319 direct people too as well, because that's what my podcast 2914 03:10:52.520 --> 03:10:55.639 is a lot of my long form writing. And we 2915 03:10:55.760 --> 03:10:59.399 got a very active chat there. It's real Thomas seven 2916 03:10:59.479 --> 03:11:03.479 seven So then that's substack dot com. And as I 2917 03:11:03.559 --> 03:11:08.440 kind of restructure my content, I know I'm active on 2918 03:11:08.559 --> 03:11:13.000 those two platforms every day. So go there and you 2919 03:11:13.079 --> 03:11:15.159 shall find thee. 2920 03:11:16.479 --> 03:11:18.799 Well, I have my own show fundamental principle, it's also 2921 03:11:18.799 --> 03:11:19.399 on substack. 2922 03:11:19.920 --> 03:11:20.040 Uh. 2923 03:11:20.399 --> 03:11:22.840 I gotta give a strong recommend to following Thomas's telegram 2924 03:11:22.959 --> 03:11:25.319 and is sub stack. I followed both of them, and 2925 03:11:25.600 --> 03:11:29.840 of course everything everything Pete can on is uh. You know, 2926 03:11:30.559 --> 03:11:33.360 give give Pete money, listen to his shows, do his 2927 03:11:33.479 --> 03:11:35.639 live streams, you know, get your out through o GC, 2928 03:11:36.479 --> 03:11:39.799 support the people to support you. You know that you're giving, 2929 03:11:39.840 --> 03:11:41.760 You're given. You know what amounts to do three hundred 2930 03:11:41.799 --> 03:11:44.639 oro hundred level college lectures by Thomas and Pete or 2931 03:11:44.799 --> 03:11:47.200 by you know doctor Johnson and Pete or you know Pete. 2932 03:11:47.280 --> 03:11:49.639 Pete enabled so much stuff to good things to happen, 2933 03:11:49.760 --> 03:11:51.920 and he works really hard behind the scenes that you 2934 03:11:51.959 --> 03:11:54.520 don't see, and he helps people all the time. So 2935 03:11:56.000 --> 03:11:57.399 you know, the stuff that Pete does in front of 2936 03:11:57.399 --> 03:12:00.000 the camera's only a portion of the of the hardware 2937 03:12:00.120 --> 03:12:01.920 he puts in. And on top of all that, he's 2938 03:12:01.959 --> 03:12:04.520 like a really great friend. So please, you know, support 2939 03:12:04.559 --> 03:12:05.799 the people that don't hate you. 2940 03:12:06.920 --> 03:12:09.159 Yeah, well said, I appreciate that. 2941 03:12:09.360 --> 03:12:12.680 All right, gentlemen, have a good evening. Thank you.