Speaker 1: I'm not talking about that on the air, okay, but yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah it's off ladder.
Speaker 2: But hey, what's going to do? How much? Man? How
Speaker 2: are you doing? Doing good? Doing good? Yeah? I just
Speaker 2: wanted to do well.
Speaker 1: So we're literally recording about an hour after Trump and
Speaker 1: JD events and Zelenski had a blow up in the
Speaker 1: in the Oval office. And so just get people a
Speaker 1: time frame for when we're recording this. And you know,
Speaker 1: we have other stuff we can talk about, but you
Speaker 1: want to you've seen the video, you want to say
Speaker 1: anything about what you saw?
Speaker 2: Well, I think, I mean, it was a little bit clownish,
Speaker 2: but but the whole situation is clownish, right. This is
Speaker 2: something that any serious person could have told you, you know,
Speaker 2: two years ago, like this was, uh, this guy was
Speaker 2: a puppet. It was literally an actor, a comedian who
Speaker 2: got put in the presidency because people were watching too
Speaker 2: much television inn stupid by you know, this this thieving
Speaker 2: oligarch who basically wanted a front man, and he effectively
Speaker 2: start at the war like you killed ten thousand people
Speaker 2: in Novorossia by you know, like shoting them with moors
Speaker 2: and you expected, you know, Vladimir putin for his own sake.
Speaker 2: He can't just let that slide because the people in
Speaker 2: his country won't stand for it. You know this because
Speaker 2: you've seen the example in Georgia. You know, when sex
Speaker 2: Villi did basically the same thing, tried to join NATO.
Speaker 2: John McCain showed up straight a bunch of crap up.
Speaker 2: You know, you have people in the United States Senate
Speaker 2: like Lindsey Graham talking about how well, this is the
Speaker 2: best money we've ever spent, because like we just get
Speaker 2: to kill Russians and it's it's none of our troops
Speaker 2: and it's just our I mean, it's cheap money. You know,
Speaker 2: it's the most wonderful thing in the world. Dead Slavs.
Speaker 2: It's just my Jewish handlers just love it when Eastern
Speaker 2: Europeans kill each other. It's the best thing in the
Speaker 2: world to them, because they're still salty about a program
Speaker 2: that happened in sixteen forty eight. It's the most beautiful
Speaker 2: thing in the world. I mean, that's basically what this
Speaker 2: guy's doing. And it's not like a clown show and
Speaker 2: laughable and disgusting. This entire thing has been a disgusting mess.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe because I've followed, you know, doctor Matthew
Speaker 2: Rafiel Johnson for years. I knew all this stuff. But
Speaker 2: everybody in Washington should know this stuff. You should, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, you should
Speaker 2: at least know why people don't like Russia. Why are
Speaker 2: all these gentile, pale of salmon Jews, like, why do
Speaker 2: they hate Russia so much? Well? Why do they spit
Speaker 2: when they hear the name babong Kimo Netsky? And then
Speaker 2: you know, these are these are the people that I
Speaker 2: have been running everything for what seventy years? You know,
Speaker 2: the occupied government you always correctly talk about. Uh, is
Speaker 2: anyone surprise it that Zelensky's this entitled little worm. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's he's what he is. Why would you expect
Speaker 2: anything different?
Speaker 1: Well, I think one of the one of the interesting
Speaker 1: parts of this is that, you know, if you listen,
Speaker 1: if people listen to the three episodes Thomas and I
Speaker 1: did where he talked about Syrian Russian relations post Nuremberg,
Speaker 1: I mean, you understand that this is basically the same war,
Speaker 1: and that you know, you've already mentioned that this is
Speaker 1: really about ethnic grievances from centuries ago. Trump treating Zelensky
Speaker 1: like this, and if they just cut him off, he's
Speaker 1: basically saying, we're not going to help you fight your
Speaker 1: wars anymore. So you know, you can make Trump out
Speaker 1: to be a Zionist. Scott Horton calls him a Lakudnik,
Speaker 1: but I mean he just basically spanked the an Apparatrick
Speaker 1: for International Jewelry on you know, basically the world stage.
Speaker 2: Live on national television, international television.
Speaker 1: I've always said this about Trump. I don't think Trump's
Speaker 1: a Zionist because I don't think he knows what his
Speaker 1: zionist is. And I think if you like gave him
Speaker 1: a dictionary definition of Zionism, he'd be like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense to me. He just seems
Speaker 1: like that kind of guy. I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: who likes Jews and likes Israel, and you know, his
Speaker 1: family married Jews, and he's been dealing with Jews his
Speaker 1: whole life in New York, and I think he likes
Speaker 1: some Jews, and I think he just doesn't like this
Speaker 1: at this international bullshit that he knows that his legacy,
Speaker 1: if he if he ties it to his legacy, you know,
Speaker 1: it's going to be it's going to taint it.
Speaker 2: Well, he's already dealing, I mean, like like you and
Speaker 2: Thomas said, you know, and he strongly hears people to
Speaker 2: give it a listen, right, that the conflict in Israel
Speaker 2: and the conflict or the conflict in Gaza in Israel
Speaker 2: and the conflict in Ukraine are basically the same thing.
Speaker 2: They are attempts by the regime too, you know, to
Speaker 2: stabilize enemies and gain territory. And once you understand that
Speaker 2: that effectively, you know, Vladimir Putin's a lot of things.
Speaker 2: No one, no one who's like a nice person gets
Speaker 2: promoted colonel in East Germany in nineteen eighty seven, like
Speaker 2: it just doesn't happen, you know, But he's but he's
Speaker 2: a serious guy, and Russians are chess players, right, and
Speaker 2: he knows the world system just as much as anybody.
Speaker 2: And he saw that like the weakness of the world
Speaker 2: system that was you know, freezing him, him and his
Speaker 2: people out of you know, the national economy and making
Speaker 2: them poor and trying to you know, undermine him at home,
Speaker 2: like like okay, well I cannot attack on this part
Speaker 2: of the board, but I can attack on this part
Speaker 2: of the board, and so he supported the Syrians, and that,
Speaker 2: you know, caused a bunch of problems for the regime,
Speaker 2: and so they counterattacked in Ukraine. Right, because the central
Speaker 2: central fact of Russian life is that the Volga River
Speaker 2: that flows through Moscow and is basically the heartland river
Speaker 2: of the Russian of European Russia, the way, like the
Speaker 2: Mississippi is to the United States. That river empties into
Speaker 2: the Caspian, which is a landlocked lake that can't give
Speaker 2: you access to world markets or allow you to have
Speaker 2: a navy. That's why one of the first Russian capitals
Speaker 2: was snofgarad In on the Baltic. Right, But the Baltic
Speaker 2: is lousy because it's frozen part of the year, and
Speaker 2: it's shallow, and it doesn't and you have to get
Speaker 2: through the straits of in Denmark, I forget what they're called.
Speaker 2: But you know, like you can't control that. There's all
Speaker 2: each other powers Sweden or Denmark or Norway or the
Speaker 2: UK who might bottle you up in the Baltic or
Speaker 2: the North Sea and keep you from or of course
Speaker 2: you could go all the way to the Arctic Ocean.
Speaker 2: And but that's you know, barely tenable because it's only
Speaker 2: open a few months of the year. So the Russian
Speaker 2: nation needed a access to the Black Sea that was
Speaker 2: stable and year round, where they could conduct the international
Speaker 2: trade and have a navy. And for them, that means
Speaker 2: like they can't give up this festival in Carimea. They
Speaker 2: can't give up the rost of you know, on the
Speaker 2: southern Russian cities that they have to have those It's
Speaker 2: a matter of life and death for Russia if their
Speaker 2: economy is based off of exporting energy and agricultural products
Speaker 2: mostly to places like India and Africa and elsewhere. Right,
Speaker 2: they don't have the ability to do that. They're they're
Speaker 2: dead and dead in the water. They're going to starve
Speaker 2: to death in the in the dark and in the cold.
Speaker 2: So when the United States says we're going to threaten
Speaker 2: that by making the Ukraine like an outright enemy of yours,
Speaker 2: is it any wonder that that they reacted negatively. I
Speaker 2: mean they put the shoe on the other foot. If
Speaker 2: the Mexican said, Hey, we're going to like work with
Speaker 2: the Cubans and uh, we're gonna take Puerto Rico from you,
Speaker 2: and we're going to prevent you from exiting the Gulf
Speaker 2: of America, like New Orleans is no longer like a
Speaker 2: viable port for you. Like people would freak out, But
Speaker 2: you won't be able to export grain down the Mississippi
Speaker 2: through New Orleans and out to wherever, or energy or
Speaker 2: whatever whatever else. Your LNG tankers won't make it from
Speaker 2: New Orleans to Rotterdam anymore. There'd be war. There'd be
Speaker 2: war the drop of a hat. You can't do that
Speaker 2: to the United States, just like there was war when
Speaker 2: the United States basically prevented the Japanese from importing oil
Speaker 2: and food, Like, what are they going to do in
Speaker 2: nineteen forty one? They have to And pretending that you know,
Speaker 2: Zelensky is anything other than a puppet of the regime
Speaker 2: is absurd. This is not complicated. I mean it is
Speaker 2: sort of complicated in a way, but like if you
Speaker 2: threaten people's lives, they react simple ass well.
Speaker 1: I mean, just make it simple, yeah, I like, I
Speaker 1: like to make things simple, just for my brain to
Speaker 1: start with before I can jump off somewhere. I mean literally,
Speaker 1: if you if you come into the administration, if you
Speaker 1: start your administration realizing with a whole bunch of people
Speaker 1: around you, who are like, if we don't start taking
Speaker 1: care of ourselves and if we don't don't look after
Speaker 1: our own interests, and even if those interests do become
Speaker 1: like Monroe Doctrine type interests where you know, Central America,
Speaker 1: South America, the you know, our our coast, our west coast,
Speaker 1: especially maybe even Greenland. You have to trim the fat,
Speaker 1: you have to cut the ties. And you know, I
Speaker 1: honestly think that there are the reason why you've seen
Speaker 1: so many of the you know, formerly hostile of a
Speaker 1: certain formerly hostile members of a certain tribe basically changing
Speaker 1: their tune is because they feel like they have to
Speaker 1: because everything's falling apart and what they have is falling apart.
Speaker 1: So yeah, just as you know, if you listen to
Speaker 1: we're up to episode fifteen, we have seventeen recorded of
Speaker 1: two hundred years together. You see this over and over again.
Speaker 1: They're going to for a time, they will switch their
Speaker 1: tune and the message will be very clear about how,
Speaker 1: oh we're in it with you guys, one hundred percent
Speaker 1: and everything. So this is a time when you have
Speaker 1: to not only take advantage of it, but you have
Speaker 1: to do everything you can, and especially in a time
Speaker 1: when information can travel halfway around the world in a
Speaker 1: half a second. This has to be a time to
Speaker 1: not only take advantage of them doing this, but do
Speaker 1: everything you can to push the narrative that they were
Speaker 1: responsible for this in the you know, they were responsible
Speaker 1: for a lot of this in the first place.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, trumpet Trumpet ged advance, right, Solinski ged advance,
Speaker 2: you know, arguing and then Trump saying, this is gonna
Speaker 2: be hard to do business, like, we're thirty seven trillion
Speaker 2: dollars in debt. Our military is not capable of going
Speaker 2: up against the Chinese or the Russians and winning. The
Speaker 2: United States Navy is you know, twelve carrier groups that
Speaker 2: are voting targets that can't actually attack. You know, those
Speaker 2: New York peer adversaries, they just get shot down. They're
Speaker 2: billions of dollars that are just a hole in the water. So,
Speaker 2: and whose fault is that we ended up here? Of
Speaker 2: course everyone knows. And if you're listening to this program
Speaker 2: and you're listening to me, you know whose fault it is.
Speaker 2: But you know, one of the good ones, I guess,
Speaker 2: Milton Friedman, Right, The system that works is the system
Speaker 2: that doesn't, you know, empower good people. It forces bad
Speaker 2: people to do the right thing even though they don't
Speaker 2: want to. So when Marco Ruby has changed his tune,
Speaker 2: it's because he has to. There's there's no rescuing the
Speaker 2: present order, like we just can't afford it anymore, you know,
Speaker 2: like you can't have quote unquote unmanned planes where you know,
Speaker 2: they flip the side out, like like no more women pilots, sorry,
Speaker 2: Like when when billionaires like, oh, I'm gonna die when
Speaker 2: I get on my private plane if the pilot isn't like,
Speaker 2: you know, a forty five year old white dude with
Speaker 2: a little bit of gray in his hair and it
Speaker 2: looks like the aviators were welded on his face, Like
Speaker 2: those are your choices. You have to empower the people
Speaker 2: actually cable of running the system and right, you know,
Speaker 2: for the last fifty years at least, it's just been like,
Speaker 2: let's just take from these people and add more and
Speaker 2: more burdens on them and destroy them with drugs, with opiates,
Speaker 2: with useless wars, with you know, super high taxes whatever.
Speaker 2: That that's the well, we just can't carry it anymore.
Speaker 2: We can't. And Zelenski is this, you know, this clownish
Speaker 2: burden to the tune of how many billions of dollars
Speaker 2: has been three? Some say three fifty, yeah, three and
Speaker 2: fifty billion. Do you know what I could do with
Speaker 2: a tenth of that? You know, I could, I could
Speaker 2: rebuild all of America with that much money.
Speaker 1: Those days are over and really the you know, going
Speaker 1: forward now what needs to be done? And you know,
Speaker 1: what we saw yesterday was basically basically a clown show
Speaker 1: where everyone knows that, you know, everyone knows what Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein was, you know, and anyone who's arguing against that
Speaker 1: is arguing it's survival mode for them. You know. Even
Speaker 1: even Dave Smith had a tweet yesterday where he said,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think the handing that handing the Masad
Speaker 1: Pedo files to a bunch of Zionists might not be
Speaker 1: the best way to get the truths of the public.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well, Dave, here's what happened, and you
Speaker 2: know it, and I know it, and everybody knows it.
Speaker 2: Your cousins used my tax money to coerce and abuse
Speaker 2: kids that looked like my kids, like my daughters, into
Speaker 2: blackmailing politicians that are supposed to be working for me,
Speaker 2: into supporting a war that got kids that looked like
Speaker 2: my kids killed in Iraq for no damn reason, and
Speaker 2: then when they came home messed up. Your cousins sold
Speaker 2: them drugs that killed them or ruined their lives. And
Speaker 2: they've been doing it and running everything into the ground
Speaker 2: for the last at least half a century, more likely
Speaker 2: eighty years, but with the knife even number it at
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty, say seventy five years this year. Okay, So Dave,
Speaker 2: when your family does this sort of thing, and to
Speaker 2: his credit, he talks about it until you do that,
Speaker 2: Until you talk about that the fact that we're occupied,
Speaker 2: you're not dealing with reality. And what Zelensky was doing
Speaker 2: was sitting in the White House saying, well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean I have a natural right to occupy you, and
Speaker 2: Donald Trump saying like, we don't have the money anymore
Speaker 2: to afford to keep paying you guys. And he lost
Speaker 2: his mind. He lost his mind in public. It's crazy
Speaker 2: that anyone should conduct themselves like that in public.
Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking about an occupied government, and are
Speaker 1: are for bearers? You know, used to use the term
Speaker 1: zog back in the seventies and eighties, and get arrested
Speaker 1: and get their get their homes, not their compounds, which
Speaker 1: is a propaganda word rated and their families, you know,
Speaker 1: killed like Randy Weaver who went and hid in the
Speaker 1: woods because well people have seen him the shirt he
Speaker 1: was wearing. This just has to end. And if you
Speaker 1: are to believe that these documents will come out, most people,
Speaker 1: I think have a tendency to believe that the reason
Speaker 1: they're not coming out is because, oh, there are people
Speaker 1: who don't want to be exposed as pedophiles and things that. No,
Speaker 1: there are people who don't want to be exposed as
Speaker 1: traders to the country because the penalty for being a
Speaker 1: trader is being treated like who who are the last
Speaker 1: people who were who were killed for being executed for
Speaker 1: being traders in this country? Were they the Rosenbergs.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the way we celebrate guenteenth. It's do Snithel
Speaker 2: Rosenberg Day. That's why I celebrate Juneine anyway. But there's
Speaker 2: huge numbers of people, basically everyone in Congress but Thomas
Speaker 2: Massey and maybe a couple others. Right, who have you
Speaker 2: dug into it? The traders virtually the entire Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: most of the Republican Party, they're traders. The USA d thing.
Speaker 2: You know, Mike Ben's for all that he's done good
Speaker 2: work and talked about like he's he's steam Control. He's
Speaker 2: trying to get people to be like, well it's bad,
Speaker 2: but you know, like no, no, no, no, it's just all bad.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: He always is, he always has been meme, you know,
Speaker 1: because even when he was Frame Game, he was trying
Speaker 1: to direct you away from certain things.
Speaker 2: Right yeah, well yeah, because because he's he's a member
Speaker 2: of the tribe, and he was like, well, yeah, you
Speaker 2: might have a point, but you know, Paul Gottfried were
Speaker 2: ron Odon's like well, okay, so Paul gotfreiding, not on
Speaker 2: run ons get to be in the last car out,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, like not my problem that this is.
Speaker 2: You know, we were on the verge of nuclear war
Speaker 2: because Victoria Eland was salty about a program from three
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy five years ago, Like that's insane, that's
Speaker 2: like that's like me being mad about a nuclear like
Speaker 2: like pushing us the edge of a nuclear or because
Speaker 2: like all over Cromwell like oppressed the Irish, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not happy about it. Yeah I don't like Cromwell. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think that he's a good guy. But nuclear war.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I think people are people think
Speaker 1: you're being hyperboblic with that. I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: most people realize just exactly how far and how hard
Speaker 1: Putin was being pushed in the last in the last
Speaker 1: year to react in a way that would They're trying
Speaker 1: to basically make him on the world some of them
Speaker 1: are trying to make him on the world stage, you know,
Speaker 1: look like, look like a maniac, because all they can
Speaker 1: do is say he's a maniac. Oh, he invaded another country. Great,
Speaker 1: that's been happening. The whole, the whole of our existence
Speaker 1: is one country and in another country, or one people's
Speaker 1: retribe invading another. There's nothing new about that. But there
Speaker 1: are some who wanted to make them now, and there
Speaker 1: were some. There are some who want us all to die.
Speaker 1: I mean they you know. There's a thread on Twitter
Speaker 1: that I shared yesterday and it shows it has in
Speaker 1: it a paper, a submitted paper, research paper by someone
Speaker 1: who used to work at the NIH and had an
Speaker 1: office right across from doctor Fauci, who said that COVID
Speaker 1: and the COVID vaccine were a masade plot to kill
Speaker 1: a billion people. This was a legitimate, like medical paper, right.
Speaker 1: You know, one of the reasons RFK was opposed is
Speaker 1: he brought up the fact that that, you know, the
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen virus attacked whites and more than others ethnic
Speaker 1: groups and didn't attack what Asians and Asconaji Jews, Asca
Speaker 1: Jews and Asians.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, so we're dealing with a bioweapon that was
Speaker 2: there was again using my money, Anthony Fauci and members
Speaker 2: of the tribe went to a racially hostile communist shithole.
Speaker 2: Does it help us build a bioweapon to destroy our
Speaker 2: own country in case they get mad at us for
Speaker 2: destroying their country?
Speaker 1: And notice, notice I'll just interrupt you for a second
Speaker 1: and I'll let you keep going Sephardic Jews, miss Racki Jews,
Speaker 1: all the other kinds of No, these are the galicians,
Speaker 1: these are the pale These are the palest settlement cheese
Speaker 1: who are responsible for this. They're they're targeting everyone else, Yes,
Speaker 1: except the people who accept the people who help them
Speaker 1: build it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And not only did they do that, but but
Speaker 2: you know, the entire COVID operation was just just a
Speaker 2: bust out operation from goodfellows all you need to know
Speaker 2: about politics is you know, watch enough mob movies and
Speaker 2: understand that these people are just the difference between the
Speaker 2: Columbos of the Genovese's and the Bushes and the Clintons
Speaker 2: is who who cuts their suits. They're not any better
Speaker 2: or you know, different people. They run rackets, they kill people.
Speaker 2: It's what they people do. Now, you know, Justin Stam
Speaker 2: just wrote a really good book. But mafia power, like,
Speaker 2: that's just how power works, not trying to trying to
Speaker 2: sugarcoat or anything like. That's just this is just how
Speaker 2: the game is played. But okay, if the difference between
Speaker 2: the Bushes and the Columbos is who cuts their suits,
Speaker 2: then when they use these tactics, you shouldn't be surprised.
Speaker 2: So the COVID operation, it was just the bust out
Speaker 2: seen from Goodfellas was it was, you know, because all
Speaker 2: of these mom and pop restaurants where you know, they've
Speaker 2: got a restaurant, it's been in a family thirty years.
Speaker 2: They do a pizza place or maybe a diner or something. Right,
Speaker 2: Dad runs grill, mom mom runs in front of the house.
Speaker 2: Kids act as waiters or waitresses or busters or whatever,
Speaker 2: and then they hire a few folks and then they've
Speaker 2: got a family restaurant that you know, a dozen million
Speaker 2: dollars a year in revenue, and the building is worth
Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and you know, after
Speaker 2: expenses that the family makes a nice modest you know,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten grand or whatever. Well that family
Speaker 2: has you know, the land and the building and the
Speaker 2: business worth millions of dollars in assets. And that person
Speaker 2: might not have you know, one hundred million dollars to
Speaker 2: where they can you know, go up against uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the Walton family. But if a hundred of them get together,
Speaker 2: they can they can go up against the Walton family
Speaker 2: and they might actually be able to get something that
Speaker 2: they want because they have the capital to be actually,
Speaker 2: you know, Thomas Jefferson not my favorite philosopher after I
Speaker 2: learned how the world actually works. But you know, property owners, yellman,
Speaker 2: property owners, whether the small restaurant people or small business people,
Speaker 2: guys own a machine shop or something. If they have
Speaker 2: that money, they can stand up for them selves. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if it's it's in Iraq or in Ohio.
Speaker 2: Coherent societies full of people who can stand up for
Speaker 2: themselves is the thing that the regime does not want.
Speaker 2: That's why Springfield, Ohio got fluttered with all those Haitian
Speaker 2: refugees because they don't want you to be able to
Speaker 2: be in Springfield and look around Ohio and go, man,
Speaker 2: we're getting screwed and we should do something about it.
Speaker 2: They don't want you to be able to resist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've created I I interviewed a gentleman that Jay
Speaker 1: Burden interviewed recently introduced me to named John Moody. And
Speaker 1: he's a guy who he puts on events with Joel Salladson.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think a lot. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 1: great John Moody. Oh thanks, Yeah, he's you already listen
Speaker 1: to the one I put up? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's a Kentucky guy, six kids, living on
Speaker 1: twenty five acres, producing his own food. And you know,
Speaker 1: one of the one of the takeaways, one of the
Speaker 1: things you can take away from that episode is yeah
Speaker 1: that you know was this malicious? Was it was it?
Speaker 1: You know, stupidity? Well, whatever it was. I mean, it
Speaker 1: weakens people. It takes our strength away. It also takes
Speaker 1: away our our ability to rationalize. I mean, people can
Speaker 1: say whatever they want about your lower testosterone, you know,
Speaker 1: weakening men and also making them more leftists, but it
Speaker 1: also damages you know, lower testosterone is shown to be
Speaker 1: something that affects cognitive ability. So if you're taking away
Speaker 1: people's not only physical strength, but they're cognitive ability. You know,
Speaker 1: the argument can be made that a certain tribe doesn't
Speaker 1: the majority don't exhibit physical strength, but they still their
Speaker 1: cognitive ability to rationalize and scheme and do things is
Speaker 1: still there. Well, I mean they're that's even trying to
Speaker 1: be taken away from them, that's trying to be taken
Speaker 1: away from us.
Speaker 2: Right, well, because they don't want you and I to
Speaker 2: be able to argue with them. But why do you
Speaker 2: think you got de monetized. It wasn't because you were wrong,
Speaker 2: It's because they don't want to They don't want to
Speaker 2: have to deal with this this uh obnoxious Spaniard Like
Speaker 2: Spaniards defeated his ones. We don't want these people to
Speaker 2: be a problem again. Take us money, take his wallet,
Speaker 2: take his coat, kick him out. That's what they did.
Speaker 2: You know, Thomas should be a professor at the University
Speaker 2: of Chicago or the Ivy League or Oxbridge or like
Speaker 2: a major like law, academic something, and to his great credit,
Speaker 2: he's built a life for himself outside of that after
Speaker 2: the system took all that stuff away from him. But
Speaker 2: if it was just pure ability, why isn't this guy,
Speaker 2: you know, teaching at Harvard. Why isn't he teaching it
Speaker 2: Yale or Princeton or University of Chicago or Stanford. Why not? Well,
Speaker 2: because he's because he's against the system, and the system
Speaker 2: was like, well, we don't want to give you a shot.
Speaker 2: You'll make us look like fools. He did it anyway,
Speaker 2: but that's you know, they don't want us to be
Speaker 2: able to organize because they know they've got a losing hand.
Speaker 2: You know, like, hey, do you want to be like
Speaker 2: weak and dumb and dependent and not having an industry
Speaker 2: in your country and not be able to get married
Speaker 2: and not have any kids and be gay. That's not
Speaker 2: a real Like, that's like no one's gonna no one's
Speaker 2: gonna sign up for that. I guess.
Speaker 1: More than what you would want, more than seeing the
Speaker 1: government fixed, and you know, seeing the deep state or
Speaker 1: the administrative state dismantled is And I'm not this isn't
Speaker 1: coming from a populous kind of standpoint is you want
Speaker 1: to see people just making the decision that Okay, I
Speaker 1: can't rely upon these people, and I can't rely upon
Speaker 1: the system that's been built. I need to take care
Speaker 1: of myself. I need to take care of me and
Speaker 1: my family. And I think that there there are definitely
Speaker 1: you've seen since Trump started, you know, in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 1: with his rhetoric. You know, if nothing else, Trump's just
Speaker 1: a wrecking ball, and I think he's managed to help
Speaker 1: a lot of people have a reset in their own mind,
Speaker 1: and you see more people being like, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to do this on my own. We're going
Speaker 1: to have to do this for ourselves. This is not
Speaker 1: something that we can rely upon. And you know, to
Speaker 1: those people, I know there was a lot made of oh,
Speaker 1: you know Trump, if you Trump is just he's going
Speaker 1: to be a pressure release valve. If he's a pressure
Speaker 1: release valve for people, those people are lost, and those
Speaker 1: people they're just sheep and they need to be led.
Speaker 1: So you need to step in and you need to
Speaker 1: tell them how they need to live. I mean, after
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, anybody who thinks that the over only majority
Speaker 1: of people should be left to their own devices. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're you're not even in the game anymore. These people
Speaker 1: need to be told how to live. And hopefully more
Speaker 1: people when they're seeing what's happening and things like, you know,
Speaker 1: realizing oh the Epstein thing, No one's ever going to
Speaker 1: pay for what Epstein did?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: It's like, well, then you can't rely on the government.
Speaker 1: You have to start doing things for yourself. And we
Speaker 1: can do things for ourselves if we make that decision
Speaker 1: instead of waiting around or fucking making excuses like the
Speaker 1: Jews control everything, so I can't do anything with my life. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: who know what we know who are very successful. Why
Speaker 1: are they very successful because they fucking try and don't
Speaker 1: make excuses.
Speaker 2: Right. Well, it's there's a couple of things that you
Speaker 2: mentioned there that I think are worth talking about. First
Speaker 2: of all, right, Ken, organized guys can control ten million people,
Speaker 2: right and in the vast majority of people don't want
Speaker 2: to be free. It's too much work that if you
Speaker 2: still believe in like being free for the majority of
Speaker 2: people like, no, that's not what they want. They want
Speaker 2: their beer cold and their football on, that's what they want.
Speaker 2: Which is fine, Like you can want that. Me personally,
Speaker 2: I want to be free, so I do what I do, and.
Speaker 3: I, you know, to.
Speaker 2: Incur all these risks because I think it's worth doing
Speaker 2: the truth. Now, with those two things in mind, the
Speaker 2: only people who can actually deliver something where those people
Speaker 2: who just want to just want to grill, want to
Speaker 2: watch football, want the beer to be cold. The only
Speaker 2: way that those people can live decent lives is of
Speaker 2: someone who cares about them is in charge. Right, people
Speaker 2: who would flood their communities with opiates don't care if
Speaker 2: those people like that, that's not good for those people.
Speaker 2: Destroying marriage is bad for those people. Making it so
Speaker 2: they can't afford a house is bad for those people. Okay, well,
Speaker 2: how do we get things in such a way that
Speaker 2: we can be in charge? We can can have some
Speaker 2: agency in our lives, and we can they start to
Speaker 2: change stakes. Well, I mean it starts with you know,
Speaker 2: the first rule of you know, getting in a group
Speaker 2: of conflict. This have some pros reach out to the
Speaker 2: old glory club in an active club or so whoever
Speaker 2: it is that you feel most compelled to reach out
Speaker 2: to reach out to them. Because the long wolf dies
Speaker 2: alone and if you know what we know, things aren't
Speaker 2: gonna get better. Trump is trying to bring this in
Speaker 2: for a control like landing gear is stuck and it's
Speaker 2: moving too fast, and Trump is trying to bring it
Speaker 2: in for a controlled landing. That's gonna hurt and gonna
Speaker 2: break a bunch of stuff, but it might mostly be
Speaker 2: intact and not kill everybody. Who is he going after? Usaid? Well,
Speaker 2: everything that they did was bad and evil, you know,
Speaker 2: the entire useless you know, Shapequa industrial complex. Well, that's
Speaker 2: just a money laundering operation for our enemies. Why why
Speaker 2: is it acceptable that there are tens of trillions of
Speaker 2: dollars of real estate that are just wasting in all
Speaker 2: of our major cities where decent people could live and
Speaker 2: work and have families. But why is that okay? Why
Speaker 2: is that acceptable? Well?
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you know the answers to that.
Speaker 2: Why, Yeah, you and I know most of people listening know,
Speaker 2: And the answer is, of course, that we live in
Speaker 2: an occupied government. And the first step to on occupying
Speaker 2: that government is having enough people with some agency and
Speaker 2: some ability to do things in their lives recognize that
Speaker 2: occupation and start to organize against it. You know, you've
Speaker 2: done great work talking about elite theory. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: the first step to any political fight is having a
Speaker 2: lead on your side.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if the Old Glory Club was about populism,
Speaker 1: we would just let anybody in. That's not what it's about.
Speaker 1: And the sooner people figure that out, the better. I
Speaker 1: was listening to Steve Bannon on with Tim Dillon this morning.
Speaker 1: I made it about twenty minutes. He's just all populism,
Speaker 1: all populism. Oh, the people, this, people that, and we
Speaker 1: had to do this that, you know, you know the people.
Speaker 2: This is a guy.
Speaker 1: Who acts like people will make the right decision if
Speaker 1: you just give them the proper circumstances. That's where has
Speaker 1: that ever been shown? I mean, it's been proven wrong
Speaker 1: in this country because you they had the chance to
Speaker 1: be like, No, in eighteen eighty they had a chance. No,
Speaker 1: we're not going to take We're not going to bring
Speaker 1: in this group of people who has been causing problems
Speaker 1: throughout Eastern Europe for centuries. Oh no, we'll just let
Speaker 1: him in. Well yeah, we'll let him in. Yeah sure,
Speaker 1: I mean so much of a problem that German Jews
Speaker 1: who had been here for you know, eighty years prior,
Speaker 1: wouldn't even let him into their golf clubs. They were like,
Speaker 1: we think these people are these people are a problem.
Speaker 1: But oh, okay, sure, yeah, well just all the pale,
Speaker 1: all the pale, all the galicians bring them in, Yeah.
Speaker 2: All the pollocks. Well and I and here's the thing
Speaker 2: about Steve Bannon is he's lying and he knows, like
Speaker 2: you know, he's lying. He knows that you know, he's lying,
Speaker 2: and he's doing it anyway, because this dude's ready viola,
Speaker 2: he's he's he's read it. Went back in the first administration,
Speaker 2: they were always like, oh, Steve Bannon reads this dangerous
Speaker 2: stuff like Carl Schmiden, Like he knows, he's you know,
Speaker 2: he's he's a former spook. There's no such thing as,
Speaker 2: of course, as a former spook, but you know, like
Speaker 2: he knows. So why do you continue to talk about populism, Steve?
Speaker 2: Who's pulling your strings such that you think you have
Speaker 2: to justify yourself with like populism of you know, the
Speaker 2: multi racial working class. Well, maybe I don't want to
Speaker 2: be solidaristic with people who aren't my people and don't
Speaker 2: share my interests and consistently vote against those interests whenever
Speaker 2: they're given the chance and constantly take from me and
Speaker 2: their entire middle class is a fabrication of federal government spending,
Speaker 2: and they commit all the violent crime in our country.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't want to be force to be solaristic
Speaker 2: with those people. And you know this. I know you
Speaker 2: know this because you've worked for Bridebart when they touch
Speaker 2: it sort of, and in order to know where the
Speaker 2: line is and go right up to it, you have
Speaker 2: to know what's on the other side of the line.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you would have blundered. You'd have blundered across it
Speaker 2: ages ago. So if you're constantly cap dancing on that line,
Speaker 2: you have to know what's on the other side to
Speaker 2: not cross it. So why are you lying Steve well
Speaker 2: Bright Bart? Because he's in Israel, born in America.
Speaker 1: I had Tom Lawongo on a week or a week
Speaker 1: and a half ago, and he I told him, I said,
Speaker 1: I want you to listen to this episode I did
Speaker 1: with a you know guy who's a hedge fund manager,
Speaker 1: Ron Dodson, And I said, only you know. He talks
Speaker 1: in the beginning about how Trump negotiates and what those
Speaker 1: yeah run Run's wonderful. He's going after O S O
Speaker 1: s I N T O S I N T on
Speaker 1: Twitter this morning. You know, I told him, I said, listen,
Speaker 1: listen to this about how Trump negotiates. And he got
Speaker 1: past that and he started listening and he's like, you know,
Speaker 1: he listens to what we talked about right after that,
Speaker 1: and he he got with me and he said, I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for sharing that episode. And then
Speaker 1: he went on like a couple podcasts and actually mentioned
Speaker 1: the episode because what we talked about after that was
Speaker 1: that the fact that we're the age of consensus politics
Speaker 1: is dead, which means that populism is dead. We are
Speaker 1: not in nobody cares. Nobody really cares about what the
Speaker 1: people wants anymore. It's about who's going to get power
Speaker 1: and who's going to do a thing. And if Trump
Speaker 1: has proved anything by getting rid of you know, the
Speaker 1: cash cows too. You know, I said today with him
Speaker 1: slapping down Zelenski was basically him slapping down, you know,
Speaker 1: a branch of international jewelry. Him cutting off a USAID
Speaker 1: is a way of basically defunding a branch of international jewelry.
Speaker 1: And he's doing this without I mean, taking the puggles
Speaker 1: in the City of London is is defunding, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, right, and Jews are just Jews are just
Speaker 1: criminals like that, they're just mafiosi, right, be mean, he
Speaker 1: was a hard dude, but he's just a mafiosi.
Speaker 2: Right. He's corrupt, he's you know, constantly engaging in shady
Speaker 2: deals like like that's he's just that's that's what he is.
Speaker 2: And and they've all been that way, every single one
Speaker 2: of you know, what was it the the former prime
Speaker 2: minister who was Dawson's talked about this, the guy who
Speaker 2: was in former Israeli intelligence who was neck deep in
Speaker 2: the massade or in the or knee deep in the
Speaker 2: Epstein thing. Not a hood Barrock, yeah, Barrock yeah, adro
Speaker 2: So these people are just criminals, right. The only difference
Speaker 2: between Congress and your local mafia is who cuts their suits. Right.
Speaker 2: Stormy's talked about this a lot. It's worth you know, uh,
Speaker 2: former Senator from Washington State, Henry Scoop Jackson, Right, the
Speaker 2: joke was that he was the senator from Boeing all
Speaker 2: through the Cold War. Right, we need more appropriation for
Speaker 2: you know, like he just never met you know, Defense
Speaker 2: Appropriations Bill. He didn't love because he was Boeing's man
Speaker 2: in Washington. Well, everybody that everybody you see on April Hill,
Speaker 2: there are all somebody's somebody. They're all like a walking
Speaker 2: walllet for somebody, their a mouthpiece for somebody, they're they're
Speaker 2: legal guy whatever. You know, what do you call CBS
Speaker 2: CIA broadcasting system? Right? Yeah, you know Washington Post. How
Speaker 2: did Bob Woodward, former intelligence operator, like go from you know,
Speaker 2: junior cup reporter to the man on the biggest story
Speaker 2: in the history of the newspaper. I mean, we've we've
Speaker 2: basically found out that, like Operation Mockingbird never ended, Like
Speaker 2: Politico is just a mocking Bird operation. Like you think
Speaker 2: Bill Buckley left the CIA to found a National Review
Speaker 2: or do you think the CIA told him to found
Speaker 2: National Review? Which one? What do you think really happened there?
Speaker 1: Rod Rothbard covers that in Betrayal of the American Right,
Speaker 1: which is basically a a pretty good you know, if
Speaker 1: you read around the obvious libertarianism and things like that.
Speaker 1: It's a good history of the neocons, one of the
Speaker 1: better history of the neocons.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's a wonderful book. But yeah, like you
Speaker 2: think Politico is any different. You think the Washington Post
Speaker 2: is any different, Like, oh, uh rt is not available
Speaker 2: in this country because it's you know, propaganda state media.
Speaker 2: What do you think it pr is, It's just it's
Speaker 2: just state media for ship lips, you know, PBS. It's
Speaker 2: not any different. The BBC, it's all all like and
Speaker 2: the receipt are there like this is you've been paid
Speaker 2: by you know, left wing uh Zionists to promote their narrative.
Speaker 2: And they don't want Western nations to be full of
Speaker 2: free people who are capable of standing up in their
Speaker 2: own because they might stand up for themselves against the occupiers.
Speaker 2: Simple ass like they didn't want the Bath Party keep,
Speaker 2: you know, in Syria and Iraq because the Arabs, due
Speaker 2: to their own civilizational deficiencies, require like a strong man,
Speaker 2: central central power to like keep organize them and get
Speaker 2: them to do anything. So the Bath Parties couldn't stand
Speaker 2: because that Ataly enabled Arabs to organize and thrown interests
Speaker 2: content the interests of Israel, just the way that you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Governor Shapiro and Pennsylvania doesn't want those you know, white
Speaker 2: coal miners to be able to organize successfully in their
Speaker 2: own self defense because then they'll they'll storm hair is
Speaker 2: pretty like, dude, what's going on? Well, then they could
Speaker 2: oppose him, so they don't want that.
Speaker 1: I guess that brings us. That brings us back to,
Speaker 1: you know, talking about or we've never finished talking about
Speaker 1: just or it's just a continue continued conversation about what
Speaker 1: we do for ourselves, and that's what it's. That's what
Speaker 1: it's always come to. We can't, as much as I
Speaker 1: would love to see Trump just absolutely dismantle, you know,
Speaker 1: the administrative state, sitting here and expecting him to do that,
Speaker 1: or sitting here and hoping he does that and then
Speaker 1: hoping it somehow benefits me because I think one of
Speaker 1: the things that we got straw manned on was when
Speaker 1: we started talking about the PayPal mafia last year that
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, you want these guys to be
Speaker 1: in charge. It's like, No, what I'm thinking is there
Speaker 1: is a quite a possibility that these people don't want
Speaker 1: me dead as compared to the regime it's in charge.
Speaker 1: And considering some of the things that I know that
Speaker 1: they that I've heard that they want to do, maybe
Speaker 1: there'll be some things that will line up that I'll
Speaker 1: be able to take advantage of it wasn't oh, we
Speaker 1: think these people are going to be in there, they're
Speaker 1: going to be our friends and they're going to be
Speaker 1: one hundred percent. No one ever said that. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're a a diet in the whole ideologue, who
Speaker 1: you know needs everything to be one hundred percent their way,
Speaker 1: which you're never going to get. Then you hear one
Speaker 1: thing while we're saying another. Okay, well, Mark market Dreason
Speaker 1: is a lot of things, stupid is not one of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: Market Treason knows that in a world without reliable electricity,
Speaker 1: his billion dollar fortune that's built on computers and technology,
Speaker 1: and we're Diddley squad. I don't know what his day
Speaker 1: to day life is like, but I imagine being able
Speaker 1: to take a private plane wherever you want and have
Speaker 1: multiple houses and cool locations is pretty cool. It's kind
Speaker 1: of nice to be able to like, Oh, the Metropolitan Opera,
Speaker 1: New York is doing uh Let Treviata this weekend, and
Speaker 1: I really like that opera, and they've got a really
Speaker 1: good soprano playing the main part.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Let's see a
Speaker 2: lot of Traviata on Saturday night tomorrow night, so I
Speaker 2: could be in Florida and be like, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: see Latrove tomorrow, and you call your guy up and
Speaker 2: you get on your plane in the morning, and you
Speaker 2: fly from Florida to New York and you land at
Speaker 2: your private airfield that only other really rich dudes go to,
Speaker 2: and then you go to your New York apartment that's nice,
Speaker 2: it's quiet, and you change into a nice outfit and
Speaker 2: he go see Let Traviata, and you go to your
Speaker 2: nice restaurant after the opera that's exclusive, and you crash
Speaker 2: your nice New Yirk place, and then the next day
Speaker 2: you fly home to your nice sunny place in Florida
Speaker 2: in the Keys in the wintertime, and it's fantastic. Well,
Speaker 2: in order for all of that to happen, Mark and
Speaker 2: Jessa has got to have people who are capable of
Speaker 2: flying his airplane and maintaining his airplane and maintaining the
Speaker 2: airport and maintaining the roads and maintaining the power stations
Speaker 2: so that all of that stuff works. And maybe, just
Speaker 2: maybe Mark and Jason wants to be in charge because
Speaker 2: Mark and Dreason Repeater Thiel or whoever wants to be
Speaker 2: in charge because they want in charge, well, guess what,
Speaker 2: they have billions of dollars and if they want stuff,
Speaker 2: stuff happens. If Peter Thiel wants to be in charge
Speaker 2: of things and he wants there to be functioning electricity
Speaker 2: because PayPal doesn't work when there's no electricity, and so
Speaker 2: he doesn't have any money. If there's no electricity, well
Speaker 2: then I benefit because hey, I like electricity too. That
Speaker 2: not only enables me to talk to my buddy Pete,
Speaker 2: but it means I don't freeze to death. So I'm
Speaker 2: a fan. And what I think these guys have seen
Speaker 2: is that we white Western civilization, particularly the men, were
Speaker 2: carrying such a parasite load that it was going to
Speaker 2: kill the host. And they were like, oh, well, I
Speaker 2: like being king parasite to use an analogy, and I
Speaker 2: like being the guy at the top of the heap
Speaker 2: who has my billions of dollars and my nice tech fortune,
Speaker 2: all which you know they've genuinely done things to earn. Right.
Speaker 2: PayPal is handy, Escape Bowser revolutionized everything. Elon Musk is
Speaker 2: no dummy, Like these people are genuinely doing things. But
Speaker 2: what they've exposed is just how much of everything else
Speaker 2: was dragging us down. Millions and fake social security millions
Speaker 2: of fake social security numbers, millions, billions of dollars in
Speaker 2: fake influence ops. You know, ten percent, ten percent of
Speaker 2: the country is working at some sort of nonprofit that
Speaker 2: is mostly just a government money lendering operation. You know,
Speaker 2: you and I talked about the teachers unions and are
Speaker 2: in the series on uh Brace were in high school.
Speaker 2: That's just the money a line of operation.
Speaker 1: It's funny when when I started reading that book and
Speaker 1: I think, I'm I think I re released it recently
Speaker 1: or I'm getting ready to re release it. The in
Speaker 1: the big file and everything. You know, we didn't realize.
Speaker 1: We thought we were just going to find out about
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of kid you know, a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids quote unquote chimping out in high school. And
Speaker 1: we found out that, well, no, we were good. We
Speaker 1: were going to read about the Jewish take the Jewish
Speaker 1: takeover of a of a public union, and and and
Speaker 1: it laid out exactly how they did it. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's the craziest thing about that book is You're like, oh, okay, well,
Speaker 1: you know, blacks are beating people up doing drugs and
Speaker 1: raping teachers.
Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know that. No.
Speaker 1: I kind of knew that, I just had never really
Speaker 1: seen it spelled out in such detail. But what we
Speaker 1: really found out was we found we found out why
Speaker 1: nothing was ever going to be done about it because
Speaker 1: a heist was happening.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because Randy White Gardener or is the you know,
Speaker 2: aft head, right, and she's a Jewish lesbian Mary Do
Speaker 2: a quote unquote Marry Do a rabbi or something, And basically, right,
Speaker 2: it was just the US saying USA a d scamp. Right,
Speaker 2: They're going to take a bunch of decent people's tax money.
Speaker 2: They're going to splash it out to all their friends,
Speaker 2: and those friends are going to be like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: you just gave me a thousand bucks, I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: you one hundred dollars back to continue to splash out
Speaker 2: that money for me, because you know, I'm getting you know,
Speaker 2: summers off huge, you know. And they knew it was
Speaker 2: gonna I'm like it. They could read an actual aerial
Speaker 2: table in nineteen seventy six. They knew it was going
Speaker 2: to bankrupt the state of New York, you know, fifty
Speaker 2: years from now, in the twenty twenties, they didn't care
Speaker 2: because they were getting paid. Now it's like, well you
Speaker 2: know again, Peter Deal, Margantrison not dumb guys. They read
Speaker 2: that actor Oily table and said, oh, well, if we
Speaker 2: want to live in a society that that functions well
Speaker 2: enough that we can enjoy it and do things like
Speaker 2: go to nice restaurants and go see the opera and
Speaker 2: and go see you know, the symphony orchestras, and have
Speaker 2: nice houses with with you know, functioning electrical systems and
Speaker 2: clean water and all that stuff. Like we're gonna have
Speaker 2: to put the ship all right, because it's no other
Speaker 2: elite around to do it. We said for years, hey,
Speaker 2: maybe you just fix this. Maybe used to fix this. Well,
Speaker 2: go and behold. You know old Cocaine Mitch, whose wife
Speaker 2: was the former Transportation secretary. There's a from an oligarchical
Speaker 2: Chinese family. She's not really interested in fixing them America.
Speaker 2: Well why not because she doesn't because she's not American.
Speaker 2: Elaine Chow is not an American. Why was this prison,
Speaker 2: you know, this Transportation secretary under w. Bush? Why are
Speaker 2: all these federal judges who aren't Americans being put in
Speaker 2: place where they can like block the Trump administration and say, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not an American and my wife works
Speaker 2: for you know, an open borders in g O. But
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you, guys how your constitution works.
Speaker 2: What no like like this, This can't work. It will
Speaker 2: not continue to function. How many there's probably one hundred
Speaker 2: million fraud doing illegal immigrants in America if you if
Speaker 2: rounding up like if it might be eighty million, might
Speaker 2: be seventy five million, but tens of millions. This is
Speaker 2: certainly that many, if you include their offspring who shouldn't
Speaker 2: be citizens, right but are because are temporarily because of
Speaker 2: our ridiculous system. Have you been to a public emergency
Speaker 2: room lately? They're unusable. The streets looked like the dark
Speaker 2: side of the moon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're anywhere near a city, it just looks
Speaker 1: it looks like the you know, an airport in Africa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so no matter what, right, Trump just telling us,
Speaker 2: let's get hete like, we can't do business like this.
Speaker 2: I'll believe it when I see it. Well, whoever's pulling
Speaker 2: Donald trump strings understands that we're at the end of
Speaker 2: the runway. There's no more room. You now, the national debt.
Speaker 2: Interest on the national debt exceeds our defense spending, and
Speaker 2: that was already bloated by three or four times too much. Basically,
Speaker 2: at this point, what we're hoping for is you're just
Speaker 2: hoping for more of the rot to be cut away,
Speaker 2: because the more rot that's cut away, the more opportunity
Speaker 2: that is for you. The more it came to this removed, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's well.
Speaker 1: I mean people need to understand there's too many people
Speaker 1: looking at this, and I get them coming into the
Speaker 1: comments on my live stream or leaving comments on Twitter.
Speaker 1: They're all willing to do something as soon as everything's perfect.
Speaker 1: It's not ever going to be perfect. So you have
Speaker 1: to be able to recognize opportunity when it presents itself,
Speaker 1: and it's presenting itself right now. Things are being things
Speaker 1: are being put in place. Now we may we may
Speaker 1: have a quote unquote correction coming in the market very soon.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's the place you'd look
Speaker 1: now when everything goes down, if you have some extra,
Speaker 1: you know, you might want to ride the way back up.
Speaker 1: But no, what I'm talking about is I'm talking about
Speaker 1: tangible goods employment, starting your own business all of these
Speaker 1: things starting a family going and you know, seeing if
Speaker 1: you can find some land somewhere, you know, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be make sure it's not in the
Speaker 1: g it doesn't have to be in the greatest zip code.
Speaker 1: We've been sold that it just someplace where you're comfortable,
Speaker 1: someplace where you're safe. All of these things can be
Speaker 1: All of these things can should be had. You should
Speaker 1: have been able to do this under the Biden administration
Speaker 1: if you had your head on straight. But now a
Speaker 1: lot of that rot is being torn away. And if
Speaker 1: you're just sitting there and you're complaining and you're like,
Speaker 1: well I don't want to do anything until everything's perfect,
Speaker 1: well that's not going to happen, so you're just going
Speaker 1: to be lost. I used to think like that. I
Speaker 1: used to think like that. It's like, well, why should
Speaker 1: I even bother really trying, when you know, if you
Speaker 1: own a house, you never really own it because of
Speaker 1: property taxes and the more money I make, the more
Speaker 1: income tax I'm going to pay and everything. And I mean,
Speaker 1: that's just a loser mentality. It's just a loser mentality.
Speaker 2: And I hear it.
Speaker 1: I hear it all too often, and it's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I ran away from libertarianism, because you'll
Speaker 1: hear that. I remember in twenty twenty one, people were
Speaker 1: complaining about you know, it's like, oh, well, what do
Speaker 1: we do? And Matt Erickson said make more money, and
Speaker 1: immediately there was like five comments saying, oh, so that
Speaker 1: I can pay more taxes to pay for the war
Speaker 1: in Yemen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, so you have more power, dumb ass,
Speaker 2: because money is power. That's why. I mean, the people
Speaker 2: who don't want to win just don't want to win,
Speaker 2: and you can't help those people, So leave them behind
Speaker 2: and do whatever you can to help yourself and those
Speaker 2: that want to help you and those that also want
Speaker 2: to win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when Thomas people still contact me all
Speaker 1: the time and go when Thomas says, you know, we're
Speaker 1: not Jevis witnesses, we're looking for a vanguard. What does
Speaker 1: that mean? It means exactly what it means. It means
Speaker 1: that we're putting information out there. And I know that
Speaker 1: a lot of the people listening to this don't want
Speaker 1: to be a part of the vanguard. They're looking for information,
Speaker 1: they're looking for education, whatever can help them. But you know,
Speaker 1: one of the good things that has come out of
Speaker 1: this show is a lot of people joining the Old
Speaker 1: Glory Club and us getting to meet a lot of
Speaker 1: young people who are eager to be elite. They want
Speaker 1: to know how to do that. They want to know
Speaker 1: how to get power, they want to know how to
Speaker 1: get That's what this is all about. You're looking. It
Speaker 1: goes back to the whole what we were talking about populism.
Speaker 1: Not everybody's going to be able to That's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why Jesus said, You'll always have the poor
Speaker 1: because people some people are just not going to want
Speaker 1: to do for themselves. They'll always find an excuse to not.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean what we're doing, what this was
Speaker 1: always all about was trying to trying to lift people
Speaker 1: up who want to be lifted up. And now some
Speaker 1: things are being some rod is being stripped away. It
Speaker 1: might even be able to make it a little bit
Speaker 1: easier so that you can maybe some regulations will be gone.
Speaker 1: It'll allow you to do things that you would you
Speaker 1: never thought about doing.
Speaker 2: So right now, if you're a white man under the
Speaker 2: age of thirty, you've been hiking with a bunch of
Speaker 2: other people's food in your backy and expected to you know,
Speaker 2: when when it's time to stop the camp, you're expected
Speaker 2: to hand them their food. Well, what the Trump administration
Speaker 2: has just done said, well, you don't got to carry
Speaker 2: that anymore. You can hike her farther and faster. I
Speaker 2: take care of yourself more when you're not carrying other
Speaker 2: people's stuff. Now, if he actually does it, or if
Speaker 2: it's just all talk, we'll see this. Epstein rug pull
Speaker 2: was was pretty disappointing. But nevertheless he's exposing the rock,
Speaker 2: and that might give people the moral courage to understand
Speaker 2: just where we're at. I don't know if that's his play.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's their plan. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the other goal is. But I know for a fact, then,
Speaker 2: no matter what happens, I'll be better off if I
Speaker 2: find guys that I know I can trust, that are
Speaker 2: also working to improve themselves and improve their own situations
Speaker 2: as I'm trying to do myself. So no matter what, Like,
Speaker 2: there's a wonderful old prep blog, probably from the twenty
Speaker 2: tens we used to call the Woodpile report called the Gentleman,
Speaker 2: called themselves Old Remus, and he said, if a prep
Speaker 2: doesn't make your life better in general, it's useless. So
Speaker 2: having a case of Emory's good idea spending every last dime,
Speaker 2: you have to have a year's worth of Emory's bad
Speaker 2: idea no matter what you're doing in your life. If
Speaker 2: you don't have any debt and you're in good shape
Speaker 2: and you're looking to network with bros, like, do any
Speaker 2: of those things that make your life worse now? Of course,
Speaker 2: of course not that doesn't mean you're putting together like
Speaker 2: a you know, Mad Max Apocalypse squad. I mean maybe,
Speaker 2: but like being in shape and and having friends is
Speaker 2: like not a bad thing no matter what.
Speaker 3: So just do it.
Speaker 2: Do do the prep that makes your life better, no
Speaker 2: matter what, you know, instead of just endlessly you know,
Speaker 2: I suppose it's a little bit hypocritical guy, you know,
Speaker 2: guy who does a bunch of podcasts telling people to
Speaker 2: stop just endlessly go a seeing podcast. But go out
Speaker 2: and do something. You know, use this knowledge you've been
Speaker 2: given that you know, those of us who give it
Speaker 2: to you incurk great risks to do it. You know,
Speaker 2: not only do you should you use that knowledge to
Speaker 2: improve your own life, but you know, support the people
Speaker 2: that support you and go to your freeman me on
Speaker 2: the wall slash support to enable Pete to you know,
Speaker 2: keep doing this so that you have more and more
Speaker 2: of a or your network. Because right now, if you're
Speaker 2: an OGC guy, you can go just about anywhere in
Speaker 2: America and find it. Bro And within a year from
Speaker 2: now or two years from now, I would be very,
Speaker 2: very surprised if there weren't oh GC guys in every state.
Speaker 1: At least getting chapters up in every state up and running,
Speaker 1: because I believe we do have OGC guys in every
Speaker 1: state now spiritually. We just were doing this officially. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I got to cut it there because I got another
Speaker 1: one coming up this afternoon. But I do appreciate you
Speaker 1: coming by, and I really hope people got the message
Speaker 1: today that you know, there are some good things happening.
Speaker 1: You will be disappointed. It's politics. You have no control
Speaker 1: over it. You're going to be disappointed. Suck it up,
Speaker 1: keep going and do what you need to do to
Speaker 1: take care.
Speaker 2: Of you and yours.
Speaker 1: And you know, don't buy into this lie that collectivism
Speaker 1: is socialism or communism. And then when you say that,
Speaker 1: people are like, well, no, only if you use a state, No,
Speaker 1: if you're local and you get one of your people elected.
Speaker 1: I mean, one of our people is a state's attorney
Speaker 1: right now. One of our people, like a bunch of
Speaker 1: our people are working in this administration, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's that's something that's something to celebrate. If that can happen,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why your local area, you guys, can't
Speaker 1: get together and take over and you know, defeat the
Speaker 1: enemy in your local area and try to work on
Speaker 1: making it what you want it to look like, what
Speaker 1: you and your people want it to look like. So
Speaker 1: I'll end on that, and I'll give you the last
Speaker 1: word if you have anything.
Speaker 2: No just you know, support the people to support you,
Speaker 2: you know, reband me on the walls. Last support, right,
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man, Well, thank you, and until the
Speaker 2: next time, say carry yourself for Rett. Thanks man.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingano Show.
Speaker 1: I have two frequent beloved guests here today. So Thomas,
Speaker 1: how are you doing?
Speaker 3: And well thanks for invoting me.
Speaker 1: D how are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm fantastic, man, Thanks for having me back.
Speaker 1: All right, d this was your this was your idea
Speaker 1: for a conversation, so have at it. MANA, thank you
Speaker 1: so much. So everyone should totally check out. I mean
Speaker 1: everything that Beat and Thomas have done together, but the
Speaker 1: Mosley series in particular I found really fascinating, just because
Speaker 1: you know, Moseley, here's a culture familiar with us. And
Speaker 1: in I think episode four or five, you guys talked
Speaker 1: about the Fascist International Conference, the first one, first and
Speaker 1: only one, and we mentioned all the different nations that
Speaker 1: were that were there. And if you haven't read Paul
Speaker 1: Gotfried's Fascism in the Career of a Concept, I think
Speaker 1: it's a really good book.
Speaker 2: Despite you know, doctor Godfried being of the tribe, I
Speaker 2: believe he's an honest man. And it got me thinking that,
Speaker 2: you know, in nineteen sixteen at the Psalm, if you'd
Speaker 2: gone back a century to the Congress of Vienna where
Speaker 2: Napoleon was the you know, Hapa recently called it a
Speaker 2: gentleman's piece. Right, you have this where despite firearms, most
Speaker 2: of the people in the world were still agricultural peasants,
Speaker 2: and despite advances and things like the McCormick reaper binder
Speaker 2: in the eighteen fifties or improved yields and crops and
Speaker 2: other things, right, like like an agricultural peasant from like
Speaker 2: a Roman Lata fundiaould fundamentally understand like a guy who
Speaker 2: was growing food in Mississippi in like eighteen fifty five.
Speaker 2: But in the nineteenth century, between the Psalm and Vienna,
Speaker 2: you had cars, trains, refrigeration, canning, telecommunications and telegraph and
Speaker 2: the telephone. I mean just literally everything in normal life.
Speaker 2: Everyday life changed one hundred percent and in a very
Speaker 2: rare old way, like World War One represents like the
Speaker 2: death of the old world, and fascism is this opportunity.
Speaker 2: There's like, there's three kind of semi coherent ways to
Speaker 2: deal with this new change world that happens after the war,
Speaker 2: after the Great War of capitalism, Bolshevism, and fascism, and really,
Speaker 2: to me, the only one that actually kind of makes
Speaker 2: coherence ince with like human beings as they are, that
Speaker 2: have particular loves and attachments and you know, it doesn't
Speaker 2: destroy religion and whatever. Fascism was the one coherent way
Speaker 2: to actually address all these changes without like just air
Speaker 2: rejecting them entirely. There are people who will you know,
Speaker 2: larpest Catholic monarchists or whatever, and like we just need
Speaker 2: to go back to the way it was in the
Speaker 2: thirteenth century. Like, that's a nice thought, but that ain't happen.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't think of anybody better than Thomas to
Speaker 2: like actually elucidate how fascism was just very real attempt
Speaker 2: to grapple with the world as it now found itself.
Speaker 2: And I think that people need to understand that, like
Speaker 2: those are your alternatives, Right, you can have Bolshevism, you
Speaker 2: can have Judaeo Usuria's capitalism, or you can have some
Speaker 2: sort of state socialism, and that's it.
Speaker 3: Well, it's also it's important to consider I think, I mean,
Speaker 3: I invoke the term capitalism because just for intelligibility, and
Speaker 3: people like Humputer they invoked it for the same reason,
Speaker 3: even though he didn't think that it was particularly useful
Speaker 3: as a descript or in absolute terms. But like, the
Speaker 3: important thing to keep in mind is that the New
Speaker 3: Deal revolution, it was with the revolution, areas what happened
Speaker 3: in Germany in nineteen thirty three, or would it happen
Speaker 3: in the Soviet Union? Okay, Like it wasn't Roosevelt wasn't
Speaker 3: just this guy. He was like, well, you know, there's
Speaker 3: a structural crisis underway, so we needed an executive to
Speaker 3: step in and you know, and kind of manage the
Speaker 3: crisis situation, like the New Deal was this top down
Speaker 3: ideology of retooling the entire way of living of you know,
Speaker 3: millions and millions of people. And I make the point
Speaker 3: again and again that like what became the Civil Rights
Speaker 3: Revolution ephimistically that started under roseen Belt, like forced racial integration,
Speaker 3: that's kind of trying to forcibly strict people of their
Speaker 3: identitarian characteristics.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That was one of the kind of secondary imperatives of
Speaker 3: the military draft, was the kind of conditioned people towards
Speaker 3: those towards those imperatives, you know. So it wasn't it
Speaker 3: wasn't as kind of like neutral administrative apparatus that was implemented,
Speaker 3: but that also you know, had sort of like a
Speaker 3: war profiteers sensibility, you know, in terms of power political affairs.
Speaker 3: So that that's fundamentally important, and it's not in these
Speaker 3: people were very much adjacent the communists. I mean that
Speaker 3: that's why they It wasn't just that they hated the
Speaker 3: fascists and the national socialists, and it's not just that
Speaker 3: they were sympathetic to Zionism. Like first and foremost, I
Speaker 3: Roosevelt himself didn't particularly like Jews. I mean, that's just
Speaker 3: a fact. Like his uh, his primary sympathy was for communism,
Speaker 3: you know, like in the in the view of people
Speaker 3: like him, you know, this is an inevitability, this is
Speaker 3: the way the world is going, you know. And for
Speaker 3: context too, because the people to this day they still
Speaker 3: talk about guys like Burnham as being neocons because you know,
Speaker 3: in the nineteen twenties they would they would bandy socialist ideas.
Speaker 3: People don't understand that oncologically, every single person thought that
Speaker 3: way because there'd been a total collapse of the nascent
Speaker 3: world economy and in the app sense of information tech,
Speaker 3: that situation is unmanageable, like laissez fair is not possible
Speaker 3: in the true sense if there's no such thing as
Speaker 3: situational awareness up to the moment. You know, really the
Speaker 3: situation kind of endured until the late nineteen eighties. Like
Speaker 3: the reason now, like there's not true economic crises. I mean,
Speaker 3: part of that is structural, and part of that has
Speaker 3: to do with the deep integration of capital, but the
Speaker 3: primarily it's the elimination of uncertainty. Like I can tell
Speaker 3: you right this moment, like what's happening in European markets. Okay,
Speaker 3: even like forty years ago, thirty years ago, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: know for hours, you know, in the nineteen twenties, I
Speaker 3: wouldn't know for days. So this idea that people you know,
Speaker 3: who weren't inclined towards New Dealrism, or towards communism, or
Speaker 3: towards utipal and socialism, whatever, that they were just advocating
Speaker 3: status models of of of the planned economy or whatever,
Speaker 3: or that they were like Bandy and Keyesianism. They weren't
Speaker 3: doing that because like they had some ethical disposition in
Speaker 3: that way. It's because that's the way every single person thought.
Speaker 3: You know, if you've if you started talking about laissez
Speaker 3: fair economics, people have looked at you like you were
Speaker 3: an idiot or a crazy person, like how would that
Speaker 3: even have worked?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So there's that I tend to agree to change gears
Speaker 3: back to the main subject matter because I was kind
Speaker 3: of a tangent. I generally agree with arms Noltzi. I
Speaker 3: think fascism, like true fascism, as it emerged the you
Speaker 3: know in Italy, it was a radical tendency. It was
Speaker 3: as much a radical tendency as communism was. It just
Speaker 3: didn't have the same political orientation obviously, and a lot
Speaker 3: of that was born a future shock, you know, but
Speaker 3: also the international situation had to do with it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I make the point again and again. One of the
Speaker 3: reasons there's the alibi of Conservatives and other Midwies that oh,
Speaker 3: you shouldn't be too hard on Churchill because the U
Speaker 3: kid to prevent the ascendancy of a rival power in
Speaker 3: Germany that was dead like cabinet warring, and you know,
Speaker 3: this kind of sensibility of oh, we've got to you know,
Speaker 3: we've got to strangle geostrategic rivals in utero to like
Speaker 3: preserve you know, our ability to manage these captive markets
Speaker 3: and things like that died in nineteen fourteen. You know.
Speaker 3: By the time of the Great Depression, the superpower era
Speaker 3: was emerging. You know, so Japan and Europe and Germany specifically,
Speaker 3: but I mean I say Europe because the axis wasn't
Speaker 3: this Germany. That's a misconception that this was some German
Speaker 3: nationalist enterprise. But Japan, through what they called the Greater
Speaker 3: Asia co Prosperity Sphere, and Germany slash Europe would become superpowers.
Speaker 3: They would ferish you know, and you know I put
Speaker 3: it to people who invoked that. So the ethical alibi
Speaker 3: that I just did invoked. You know, the UK obviously
Speaker 3: lost the war and it became like a third rate power.
Speaker 3: You know, it's now like overrun with with with aliens
Speaker 3: and is you know quite literally airstrip one. So like obviously,
Speaker 3: like that victory was the most puic victory that's ever
Speaker 3: that's ever been had.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mosley was completely correct, right, like we have to
Speaker 2: secure the empire, we're going to lose it, you know.
Speaker 2: Just to briefly bring up like Donnzia's cultive speed, right,
Speaker 2: we didn't have paved roads until like eighteen twenty. Macadam
Speaker 2: didn't invent the process till eight the eighteen twenties. So
Speaker 2: think about this, like Roman transportation in like the first
Speaker 2: century was the best roads, goot until the mid eighteenth century,
Speaker 2: and forty miles an hour was the fastest any human
Speaker 2: being went more than like a second or two and
Speaker 2: live to tell about it for centuries. And as you
Speaker 2: pointed out, right, like there's was just no alternative.
Speaker 3: Well, the two key, the two key, the two key
Speaker 3: aspects of future shock that translated that both informed and
Speaker 3: were they caretalyst for and and we're most significant to
Speaker 3: the political situation. It was, uh, it was the crisis
Speaker 3: of labor, and it was the military and strategic situation
Speaker 3: and the emergence of wartech, devastating wartech at scale. And
Speaker 3: also what's significant is that massive warfare at scale basically
Speaker 3: never ever happens to the twentieth century. The fact that
Speaker 3: this became the reality constantly, that's completely abnormal. Those conditions
Speaker 3: happened maybe once every thousand years. And obviously, again the
Speaker 3: wartech that emerged in scale capacity, that was totally unprecedented.
Speaker 3: But also I think the point to people a lot,
Speaker 3: you know, the crisis of labor and the fortunes of
Speaker 3: millions of people being bound up with labor imperatives. People
Speaker 3: can't conceptualize that anymore. That's the reason why I'm always
Speaker 3: telling people don't use the term working class. There is
Speaker 3: no working class. There hasn't, Like the last of it
Speaker 3: in structural terms went away in the early nineties. Like
Speaker 3: we say working class, we don't mean people with jobs
Speaker 3: or like guys who do work. We're talking about millions
Speaker 3: and millions of people doing pretty much the exact same
Speaker 3: job in factory settings. They're almost all young, they're almost
Speaker 3: all men. Their jobs are dangerous, they're very very low wage.
Speaker 3: There's basically no room for advancement. It's a totally urbanized
Speaker 3: setting for this kind of labor. That is the working class. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's conditions that don't exist anymore really anywhere on this planet,
Speaker 3: like even in place like China where there's just like
Speaker 3: mass like apple factories. I mean, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3: Those people have like a really brutal lot of life,
Speaker 3: and they don't have the right to organize or anything,
Speaker 3: and they're very much like exploited. But that's different than
Speaker 3: what we're talking about in you know, the early twentieth century.
Speaker 3: Like that's the that's the that's the that's the ideological soil,
Speaker 3: if you will, from where like communism emerges. That is
Speaker 3: the working class. If you read up in Sinclair's The Jungle,
Speaker 3: which I think is a great book. You know, I'm not,
Speaker 3: i know socialist like Sinclair was, but what he describes
Speaker 3: in the Chicago stockyards, that's the way that it was.
Speaker 3: You know, every day people die on the job, Like
Speaker 3: going to your job is like going to war. And
Speaker 3: there's always man who want to work, like if you
Speaker 3: if you age out of the ability to physically do
Speaker 3: your job, if you get injured on the job, you'll
Speaker 3: be thrown away like garbage. There's one hundred other men
Speaker 3: who want to do your job or are younger, stronger,
Speaker 3: and will do it for half the way you do,
Speaker 3: Like why do I need you? That's the working class, okay,
Speaker 3: And uh, there's a there's an ontological aspect to it.
Speaker 3: Like people emphasize a lot the fact that these people
Speaker 3: lived in poverty, often grinding poverty, and in the cities
Speaker 3: that were already dangerous. These people have been ripped out
Speaker 3: of the out of their kind of natural patterns of
Speaker 3: living in rural and semi rural environments, you know, to
Speaker 3: go work there because they had to do to survive.
Speaker 3: But also, uh, there's you know, there's an ontological aspect
Speaker 3: like in one of Younger's Uh, I mean, Younger dealt
Speaker 3: with this directly in their Arbitter, but he and a
Speaker 3: lot of his fiction it's like the Protagus or some
Speaker 3: of the secondary characters. They're great war veterans who find
Speaker 3: themselves in factory environments and those experiences like bleed into
Speaker 3: one another, you know, like fighting with these dangerous machines,
Speaker 3: you know, to like earn like a paltry wave is
Speaker 3: like being in the trenches again. You know, that's it's
Speaker 3: not it's not just an accident. There's not just a
Speaker 3: flex that these guys on the street and Vaimar you know,
Speaker 3: who fought under the con and his banner called themselves,
Speaker 3: you know, combat group of the working class, because that
Speaker 3: wasn't probally you know, and those conditions are psychologically devastating,
Speaker 3: you know, like basically you're forced into conditions where it's
Speaker 3: like I I've got to I've got to do this dangerous,
Speaker 3: dirty job otherwise I'll die, you know, and I have
Speaker 3: no recourse.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot of what underlay I mean, that's
Speaker 3: what underlay all revolutionary in Paris, you know, including fascism
Speaker 3: and and Mussolini's background in like the communist movement. Despite
Speaker 3: what a lot of communists said and what a lot
Speaker 3: of a lot of left revisionists say today, it wasn't
Speaker 3: just like some cynical ploy like oh I'll start dying
Speaker 3: the this this this kind of guys of of uh
Speaker 3: of national or racial pride or something like Musli. He
Speaker 3: believed everything he said. You know, but he he he
Speaker 3: wasn't putting on airs with defining the fascist movement is
Speaker 3: like a movement of like workers and soldiers and artist.
Speaker 2: That's it was.
Speaker 3: Kind of the it was also responding to. It was
Speaker 3: also responding to tendencies like the action of France, say,
Speaker 3: who were very much reactionary like Morass himself was like
Speaker 3: an atheist and very much kind of like the twentieth
Speaker 3: century modernist. But he believed in like the He thought
Speaker 3: that you know, the Roman Church should have like retained
Speaker 3: like a fundamental role in French political life. He believed
Speaker 3: in like the monarchy. He thought these things were like
Speaker 3: essential to the sovereign authority and like symbolic psychological aspects
Speaker 3: of culture. Uh. Mussolini was responding that large part He's like, no,
Speaker 3: that's that's nonsense. We're done with it, you know, like
Speaker 3: Mussolini kept Ian. Mussolini didn't oppose the monarchy. Part of
Speaker 3: it in Italy. Part of that was tactical, but part
Speaker 3: of that was, you know, he thought those kinds of
Speaker 3: things were important as a matter of you know, like
Speaker 3: you know, like Latin heritage and stuff. But the National
Speaker 3: Fatist Party, I agree with arsonalty it was largely response
Speaker 3: to that, Like the national socially German Workers Party was
Speaker 3: like very much like a synthesis of those things, you know,
Speaker 3: not entirely consciously. It was like a discursion process with them.
Speaker 3: I think that's the way to think about it. Frankly,
Speaker 3: let me jump in. Let me jump in and ask
Speaker 3: a question here. When you look at the nineteenth century
Speaker 3: and with the nineteenth century basically being a I mean
Speaker 3: you had seminaries who were seminaries who were formally reformed,
Speaker 3: adopting Darwinian Darwinian models, so basically the metaphysical has gone away.
Speaker 3: How much of an effect does that have just basically
Speaker 3: I mean on the culture. We know what it does,
Speaker 3: but how much of an effect does that have on
Speaker 3: the political culture? I mean even outside of like Marxism. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's tremendously impactful. And that's why that's one of the
Speaker 3: those two things. It was that it was, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: the death of metaphysics and uh things that were things
Speaker 3: like they transcendent aspects of the culture. But also, you know,
Speaker 3: people people took for granted that you know, religion is dead.
Speaker 3: You know, even if that thing, even though that kind
Speaker 3: of thing is value nobody believes in that anymore. You know,
Speaker 3: human affairs are reducible to the material and the biological.
Speaker 3: And that's what I'm like a lot of racialism. Okay,
Speaker 3: I wrote a whole essay for my dear friend Giles,
Speaker 3: who runs the asylum Meg I wrote. I wrote an
Speaker 3: essay for it that he asked me to because people
Speaker 3: have this idea that, oh, you know, this kind of
Speaker 3: racialism was some German obsession. That's not only everybody thought.
Speaker 3: You know, America was probably the most avid, like racial
Speaker 3: eugenicist country that existed then. I mean people thought that
Speaker 3: way in England and in Japan and France, like this
Speaker 3: idea that you know, well, the reason humans behave the
Speaker 3: way they do culturally is because of your race. Like
Speaker 3: like I'm not saying I'm like, race is a real thing.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, but it's not you're like your
Speaker 3: DNA or your blood as they thought in those days,
Speaker 3: like doesn't make you like act Jewish or like act German.
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't make any sense, but in those days,
Speaker 3: everybody thought that way. Like honestly, that's why these like
Speaker 3: internet guy used so like, I mean, yeah, there's like
Speaker 3: an ethnic component to any sectarian belief structure, and obviously,
Speaker 3: like obviously like Judaism is a ethnos as well as
Speaker 3: like a a sectarian cultural structure. But these guys, these
Speaker 3: weirdos like bandying like oh, Jews are a race like that,
Speaker 3: nobody thinks that way anymore. That's the way people thought
Speaker 3: in in the nineteen twenties, like on both sides of
Speaker 3: the divide, like like you're Jewish because you have this
Speaker 3: kind of you have this kind of blood, you know,
Speaker 3: like that, you know, and if if you're if you're
Speaker 3: if you're European or Irian like or Japanese, you know,
Speaker 3: your blood makes you behave this way like that's that's
Speaker 3: not the way things are like that, that's Darwinist nonsense,
Speaker 3: you know, like Darwinism is nonsense. I don't know. People
Speaker 3: on the right can't like let that go. But that's
Speaker 3: that's as much it's as much like an Enlightenment you
Speaker 3: know kind of secular humanist uh lie is is the
Speaker 3: rest of it, you know, like you don't you're not
Speaker 3: you're not something like you're not something like meat robot
Speaker 3: like running up program like that's not what a race is,
Speaker 3: you know, Like yeah, there's a biological aspect to it.
Speaker 3: But that you know, but no, that that's why, uh,
Speaker 3: that's why people they kind of cherry pick. They'll they'll
Speaker 3: look at something like uh, some guy like uh, some
Speaker 3: guy like surroundos in there, or somebody like Mussolini or
Speaker 3: somebody like you off Hill or like said or wrote
Speaker 3: about religion. They're like, see, like these guys hated religion.
Speaker 3: It's like everybody thought that way, you know. And honestly,
Speaker 3: like people like Hitler and Mussolini, they had like a
Speaker 3: softer view. I mean, first of all, Communists wanted to
Speaker 3: literally like mervhor you know, still clinging to the old ways.
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, the the the national sols isn't
Speaker 3: the fishes. I mean says that their views of of
Speaker 3: a religiosity seemed punitive, which in the kids a latter
Speaker 3: I don't think they did. They were like look at
Speaker 3: look at like the conversation like him learning got lab Burger,
Speaker 3: Like Burger's talking about how like, yeah, you need to
Speaker 3: like cultivate like among our Islamic allies, we need to
Speaker 3: like cultivate their like belief and like in in Orthodox
Speaker 3: and Roman Catholic territories, we got to like cultivate like
Speaker 3: religious belief. They were doing the opposite, if anything, but
Speaker 3: it like cynical. Is that way of better or not?
Speaker 3: Like the point being, it wasn't even like for a
Speaker 3: lot of people, it wasn't even like it was a
Speaker 3: value neutral thing like this is the way it is.
Speaker 3: People don't think that way anymore, you know, So why
Speaker 3: would we talk about that stuff. It's irrelevant.
Speaker 2: I did, well, I this is all gold. But I
Speaker 2: do think that it's important for listeners to remember that
Speaker 2: in the span of like three generations, like Don Abbott,
Speaker 2: it was actually good at this. If you were like
Speaker 2: a poor peasant and you needed a job, you could
Speaker 2: go to the local burger, the local ritter, the local
Speaker 2: you know, gentlemen in pretty much any country in Europe
Speaker 2: right before nineteen fourteen, it'd be like, hey, I need
Speaker 2: a job, and he'd like, oh, well, I guess I
Speaker 2: could use another gardener, another this, another that, and you know,
Speaker 2: between the revolution in industry and the revolution in the war,
Speaker 2: right that killed that for a lot of reasons, like
Speaker 2: the entire upper crust of Britain, of France, of Germany,
Speaker 2: like they all died in the trenches. Russian, the entire
Speaker 2: era the aristocracy, but itself white all across Europe, and
Speaker 2: you know, the natural leader class just basically got slaughtered
Speaker 2: in nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen. So the and I was,
Speaker 2: I was in correct earlier it was a it wasn't
Speaker 2: znnzi on the come to speed is Marinetti. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: But that brutal work environment that you talked about, and
Speaker 2: you know, the effectively the factory be no different than
Speaker 2: the trenches. Was there any like precedent for this in
Speaker 2: history that we know of? I mean, like I am,
Speaker 2: I'm struggling. I might find with some kind of parallel
Speaker 2: here where like the entire economic, social, religious, you know, sociological,
Speaker 2: familial paradigm just they all just shattered.
Speaker 3: There is no parallel. And like despite that, one's being
Speaker 3: the point that like only moron say, history repeats itself,
Speaker 3: it absolutely does not, you know, like only idiots think
Speaker 3: that kind of Consider this man, the Ford motor plant.
Speaker 3: I mean, Henry Ford was a great man and in
Speaker 3: part because he humanized labor and he and he did
Speaker 3: he did, he took heroic measures to elevate the quody
Speaker 3: a life of his workforce. So that's that's relevant. But
Speaker 3: just in overall terms. But my point is, uh, the
Speaker 3: Ford Motor plant employed one hundred thousand people. That that's
Speaker 3: utterly insane, like literally tens of thousands of people working
Speaker 3: on one site and thousands and thousands of men literally
Speaker 3: doing the same job. But that's also like general strike
Speaker 3: could bring the economy to its knees, you know, because
Speaker 3: these valuated manufacturers, you know there they if you could
Speaker 3: if you get a halt production on them, you know, uh,
Speaker 3: they you nothing, there was no business was being done.
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't at all like today. And when
Speaker 3: you're talking about when you're talking about a true working
Speaker 3: class where you have you know, people integrated with productive machines,
Speaker 3: like literally you know, all doing the same job. They
Speaker 3: become part of that machine and they can they can
Speaker 3: stop that machine. And like that's why that's also why
Speaker 3: scab labor became a thing, because you can, if you've
Speaker 3: got like a if you got like a young man
Speaker 3: literally with a strong back, if you can physically handle
Speaker 3: it and endure it psychologically and physically, you can teach
Speaker 3: any strong young guy to do this job. Like that's
Speaker 3: part of that's part of what was critical to this
Speaker 3: paradigm is that we're talking about physically very difficult but
Speaker 3: unskilled labor. You know, it's basically, you know, it's like
Speaker 3: a labor army. That's why Spengler talked about how the
Speaker 3: city is a barracks because urbanization at scale, that's why
Speaker 3: it doesn't make any sense anymore. And like since the
Speaker 3: seventies when the federal government stopped bailing out cities, which
Speaker 3: was a huge deal under the Ford administration, Gerald Ford,
Speaker 3: like the whole that demand scramble has been to like
Speaker 3: find a way to like make cities profitable because like
Speaker 3: they don't make sociological sense, you know, other I mean,
Speaker 3: I think cities are important for sociological and historical reasons,
Speaker 3: but they exist. The reason why cities exist as we
Speaker 3: know them is as worker barracks, you know, and finding
Speaker 3: a way to make them profitable. When that paradigm went away,
Speaker 3: it has been a very difficult thing and it's still
Speaker 3: it's ongoing.
Speaker 1: Something you said there that uh just triggered something right
Speaker 1: in my brain was about general strikes. And you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people will say, oh, the reason why
Speaker 1: you ship your you ship your manufacturing over to China
Speaker 1: is because you know, it's cheaper to manufacture there and
Speaker 1: ship back here than it is to manufacture here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you also don't have a chance. There's no chance of
Speaker 1: having a strike and a shutdown because.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, because that's legal, and you're thrown in jail
Speaker 3: or you'll be shot. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, where's sabotage? Right? Like, think about the average
Speaker 2: forward plant today? How many billions of dollars in humans
Speaker 2: are in capital? Is there at a Ford plant? You know,
Speaker 2: every robot's probably twenty five thirty forty thousand dollars or more.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, right, More like I've worked in
Speaker 3: a machine shop, is my first job, and there was
Speaker 3: these machines that literally had been made in World War
Speaker 3: Two that were valued at like seventy five or one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars. It's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, And that was a number of years ago,
Speaker 2: so they're probably even more now. Right. So you talk
Speaker 2: about an army of labor, Well, armies can go towards
Speaker 2: the other guy, or they can mutiny. And so like
Speaker 2: if your workforce mutinies and they destroy a bunch of
Speaker 2: your styff or sabotage any of yourself, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: even need to be much right, Like if if one
Speaker 2: of your lathes is like a tenth degree of a
Speaker 2: degree out of spec, like every single part it puts
Speaker 2: out is going to be wrong. And when you have
Speaker 2: to have tolerances of thousands of an inch in order
Speaker 2: for something to work, like, think about how crazy it is.
Speaker 2: It stuck with my friend sand Batch about this, Like
Speaker 2: if anyone understood what a car is, it's a It's
Speaker 2: a metal tube filled up with highly explosive, volatile gasoline
Speaker 2: and you light it on fire and you go down
Speaker 2: the road at ninety miles an hour, Like like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And in order for that not to like just fall
Speaker 2: apart or or break, you have to, you know, you
Speaker 2: have to have very tight tolerances. And we're not talking airplanes,
Speaker 2: which are even tighter, or you know, anything like that.
Speaker 2: This is just cars, and they have relatively loose tolerances
Speaker 2: compared to something like a airplane or let alone anything
Speaker 2: involving space. So you've got these where everything has to
Speaker 2: be up to spec.
Speaker 3: I'll also add two talking about the labor situation and
Speaker 3: the radicalization of the laboring classes, as well as World
Speaker 3: War One and managing conflict at scale, you know, this
Speaker 3: kind of thing. Uh, it's like trying to ride some
Speaker 3: out of control animal, like this idea that every step
Speaker 3: of the way the stuff can be controlled or that. Uh,
Speaker 3: there's like discrete kind of temporal snapshots whereby if you're
Speaker 3: in an executive role, you can somehow put the brakes
Speaker 3: on things like that. Nonsense, Like these things get out
Speaker 3: of control rapidly, and trying to trying to bring a
Speaker 3: labor revolve under control or trying to end they're trying
Speaker 3: to bring a conflict to you know, to to cease fire,
Speaker 3: as was the case in like nineteen sixteen, ninety seventeen.
Speaker 3: That's that's almost impossible, you know, like once these things start,
Speaker 3: they can't really be stopped. They have to run their course.
Speaker 3: And I I mean that was the case if you're
Speaker 3: talking about if you're talking about uh, you know, some
Speaker 3: some some local lord in the fifteen hundreds, if you're
Speaker 3: talking about a national state of eighty million people, you know,
Speaker 3: involved in a war that's rapidly becoming mechanized, you know,
Speaker 3: where where twenty million men are mobilized fighting it. It's
Speaker 3: impossible to stop it, you know, And that's why uh,
Speaker 3: and there were there's in and and the leadership element
Speaker 3: was uniquely ill suited to do that, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean the point again again is the reason why h
Speaker 3: Hitler actually personally hated very few people. I mean, he
Speaker 3: wouldn't have gotten very far as and he certainly wouldn't
Speaker 3: become the most single powerful man in the world if
Speaker 3: he said around hating people. He hated the Kaiser Wilhelm
Speaker 3: and many many veterans did as they should have because
Speaker 3: he was a piece of ship, and Holveg was was
Speaker 3: the real Holveg and Franz Joseph and the Hasbury Empire
Speaker 3: were like the real heroes the central powers in my opinion.
Speaker 3: But and both of them understood that if if this
Speaker 3: war begins, that we won't be able to stop it,
Speaker 3: you know. I Meanwhile, the Kaiser was carrying on and
Speaker 3: with he was like some kind of money python character
Speaker 3: or something. It's like oblivious to these things. I mean,
Speaker 3: as we're like a lot of his counterparts, to be fair,
Speaker 3: across the continent. But you know, uh, the German Empire
Speaker 3: was a mixed system. It was, you know, the Bismarckian system.
Speaker 3: There was a genuine separation between state and government, but
Speaker 3: at the end of the day. I mean the Kaiser
Speaker 3: an ultimate war authority, you know, I mean people, the
Speaker 3: general staff, the reichs Consler. You know, these these guys
Speaker 3: had a lot of power, and they had independent power
Speaker 3: to negotiate within reason. But I mean it was in
Speaker 3: the hands of the Kaiser, and like, if you got
Speaker 3: some if you got guys, you know, guys who were
Speaker 3: born in the mid nineteenth century who have been kind
Speaker 3: of cloistered within palace walls, like both physically and conceptually,
Speaker 3: and a modern mechanized war is in their hands.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 3: That's that's a nightmare, you know, I mean, that's part
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got you, we're talking. Hitler was born in
Speaker 2: eighteen and Mussolini was eighteen eighty three, I believe, right,
Speaker 2: So they were young men when like the world had
Speaker 2: changed in a crazy fashion. But all the guys you'd mentioned,
Speaker 2: you know, the Kaiser was born in what eighteen fifty three,
Speaker 2: I woant to say, I can't remember, but you know,
Speaker 2: like the eighteen fifty Like he was an old man
Speaker 2: by nineteen fourteen, and he was a literal prince, right,
Speaker 2: so he's in this He's never had to work in
Speaker 2: industrial even the kings of France, who you know, quote
Speaker 2: unquote worked for a living. They were taught a trade
Speaker 2: as part of their regnal duties, right they were. They
Speaker 2: were never taught like, okay, be careful, don't stick your
Speaker 2: finger in this or lose an arm. Like that was
Speaker 2: never a thing that any of these people ever had
Speaker 2: to deal with.
Speaker 3: I think Joseph was an exception, and he was he
Speaker 3: was pussibly elderly by the honest of hostildes. But he
Speaker 3: Franz Joseph, he'd write a really fast, He slept on
Speaker 3: a military cot. He like would fore go a luxury.
Speaker 3: He was a career soldier, like even when he was
Speaker 3: out of active service, like he'd still like, we're a
Speaker 3: uniform every day. Like he didn't like having like regal finery.
Speaker 3: But yeah, go ahead, generally, Yeah, that's he was the
Speaker 3: exception that proves the rule.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's he's uh. There are people who want
Speaker 2: to canonize him, No one of Catholics particularly, who want
Speaker 2: to canonize him because he was just such a He
Speaker 2: tried so hard to stop this, you know, and as
Speaker 2: you mentioned, like it had a momentum all its own
Speaker 2: where like no one could stop it. You know, like
Speaker 2: perhaps in nineteen thirteen, like if all the cousins had
Speaker 2: met and been like this is insane, Like if they'd
Speaker 2: gotten together and perhaps done a demonstration like this is
Speaker 2: what a modern machine gun can do, and like had
Speaker 2: a bunch of cows in the field or something.
Speaker 3: And that's that's critical too. Like after after Waterloo, there
Speaker 3: wasn't a real European war, Like there was the there's
Speaker 3: the Franco Approaching War, which was like a which was
Speaker 3: like an incredible and that's like we would put the
Speaker 3: Prussians on the map, and there was there was the Crimea,
Speaker 3: but the Crimea was like very much restricted to localize theaters.
Speaker 3: But there you know, there wasn't a real like modern war.
Speaker 3: There was guys and the guys who'd served the in
Speaker 3: as mercenaries in the war between the States in America,
Speaker 3: Like some of them tried to send the alarm bells
Speaker 3: like look like this is going to be a slaughter.
Speaker 3: But yeah, they people had no idea what like modern
Speaker 3: WaRTeK was like because it had been a century since
Speaker 3: most people have been exposed that kind.
Speaker 1: Of thing, and everything had changed so much too. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's one of the things I wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up is you go from the Franco Prussian War to
Speaker 1: World War One, which is less than fifty years and
Speaker 1: World War One you have planes that are flying around
Speaker 1: and they're dropping manually dropping bombs out of them, and
Speaker 1: then just less than twenty years later, the Condor Legion
Speaker 1: is frigging lighting cities on fire and Spain. I mean,
Speaker 1: how how do you not how does humanity and people
Speaker 1: who are of a yeah, high culture thinking, people who
Speaker 1: are looking towards the eternal and looking towards doing great things.
Speaker 1: How are they not all over the place in trying
Speaker 1: to figure out an ideology when you in twenty years
Speaker 1: you go from oh, here I'm dropping a bomb out
Speaker 1: of a plane with my hand to I just let
Speaker 1: garnic on fire.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and things like and things like things like
Speaker 3: chemical warfare. I mean, it's not just like poison gas
Speaker 3: is disgusting and it's it's just like awful to contemplate.
Speaker 3: That's a that's a terrible way to die. But this
Speaker 3: idea that you know, I can I can, I can
Speaker 3: fire poison at you, like well outside of visual range
Speaker 3: through like indirect fire, you know, and uh, within seconds
Speaker 3: you'll be like your lungs will shread to pieces and
Speaker 3: you'll die like choking on those pieces. Or you know,
Speaker 3: like you'll you'll scratch your you'll you'll you'll scratch some
Speaker 3: sense of areas your body bloody, because like a blistering
Speaker 3: agent is is is like tearing your skin apart, you know,
Speaker 3: like that kind of stuff. It's like something out of
Speaker 3: like science fiction. That'd be like if guys went to
Speaker 3: war tomorrow and like the Ivans or like the Koothies
Speaker 3: have like found a way to like launch like a
Speaker 3: xeno morse at you that like grab your face and
Speaker 3: then like pop out of your chest. Like I mean,
Speaker 3: that's I'm being obtoos, but that's like what it would
Speaker 3: be like. But people just like what the fuck, you know,
Speaker 3: like I that I mean not like people were I mean,
Speaker 3: people are habituated to violence, unfortunately, very much in those
Speaker 3: days of a non cool like noble sword. But stuff
Speaker 3: like that is just like the horrors of technology kind
Speaker 3: of shit, I guess, is my point.
Speaker 2: Like the largest the Grand Army got was like six
Speaker 2: hundred thousand people, and that was only very briefly, right,
Speaker 2: and then like World War One, that's not even I mean,
Speaker 2: that's like casualties for a couple of months.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, the burn rate was unbelievable. And well,
Speaker 3: it's also to some of the some of the exhipgencies
Speaker 3: that emerge in game theory and like reach their zenith,
Speaker 3: you know, by the final cycle of the Cold War,
Speaker 3: where there's conditions of strategic parody and planning for nuclear
Speaker 3: war fighting. You know, you're like you as commander of
Speaker 3: a or as part of the command element of strategic
Speaker 3: nuclear forces, your charge of identifying potential war indicators, like
Speaker 3: before the enemy has even started to act, arguably before
Speaker 3: he even understands that conditions are moving towards war, you know,
Speaker 3: and then you know, you've got to be able to
Speaker 3: read those indicators and decide whether to like preemptively assault
Speaker 3: or not. Like stuff like that was though those kinds
Speaker 3: of variables were already emergent in nineteen fourteen. And that's
Speaker 3: why I believe I agree with.
Speaker 2: A. J. P.
Speaker 3: Taylor When when the Russian Empire, when the Tsar gave
Speaker 3: the order to mobilize, Russia had a two phase mobilization paradigm,
Speaker 3: and once it was implemented, Uh, even if the even
Speaker 3: even if the Czar or I don't know, if the
Speaker 3: Russian Imperial Army had a general staff or not, whatever
Speaker 3: their command element was, even if hear them and put
Speaker 3: the brakes on mobilization. You know, if if if the
Speaker 3: German Empire and the Hats were an empire like hadn't assaulted,
Speaker 3: they would have been dead because they would like roll
Speaker 3: the dice and been like okay, well we'll not mobilize
Speaker 3: and kind you know, taking like the tsar it like
Speaker 3: his word, but it's like if this is a war
Speaker 3: ruse like we're you know, because you don't have force,
Speaker 3: even if you have forces in being, and even if
Speaker 3: you have like a properly trained and outfitted like reserve
Speaker 3: system of like able bodied men, they're not like sitting
Speaker 3: around mobilized, you know. So essentially it's the equivalent of
Speaker 3: like deloping metaphorically speaking like well you're dueling opponent, like
Speaker 3: it has its weapon trained on you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: So this head I'm sure people listening are gonna think
Speaker 3: I'm I'm being punitive and mean to the Russians. I'm not.
Speaker 3: There's not like a moral component here. I'm saying, like
Speaker 3: in causal terms, when when the Czar gave the order
Speaker 3: to mobilize, forces. The die was cast. They couldn't be
Speaker 3: stopped anymore. When a whole way approached the French at
Speaker 3: the eleventh hour and begged them to stand down. If
Speaker 3: they had done that, I think that that would have
Speaker 3: that would have stayed the hand of the Russians, because uh,
Speaker 3: then they would have been fighting UH, they would have
Speaker 3: been fighting both the German Empire and the Habsburgs on
Speaker 3: like a single front, whereby like the bulk of both
Speaker 3: forces could be thrown at the Czar's army. But that's
Speaker 3: that's a bit abstract. But yeah, that that's important to
Speaker 3: consider man and it plays. It also relates to to
Speaker 3: like I said, like like situational awareness, particularly as regards
Speaker 3: UH the window decision temporally, you know, as to responding
Speaker 3: to UH world market conditions. There's a parallel not just
Speaker 3: not just a similar not in terms of similarity like
Speaker 3: structural similarity, but there's a parallel and in terms of causality,
Speaker 3: you know, between military and geopolitical CRISI and UH and
Speaker 3: and economic events at scale, you know, and this is UH,
Speaker 3: these are the things that really created kind of like
Speaker 3: the late modern state, you know, like the managerial state,
Speaker 3: if you will, as a, as James Burnham called it.
Speaker 3: You know, like in some ways we're very fortunate. Man,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not. I don't want to pontificate or dereal
Speaker 3: the conversation, but I especially if you're old enough to
Speaker 3: remember the Cold War. I mean I was like a
Speaker 3: little kid and like a very young team when the
Speaker 3: Cold War was going on, but it was just something
Speaker 3: you lived with. People these days are like, are compared
Speaker 3: to even forty years ago, or like unbelievably safe. That's
Speaker 3: why it's bizarre. The act like a bunch of hysterical
Speaker 3: old women all the time, are scared of everything. It's like,
Speaker 3: what the fuck you talking about? Like compared to somebody
Speaker 3: one hundred or fifty or forty years ago, you're like
Speaker 3: unbelievably safe.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't mean, well, it's like.
Speaker 1: But but it's also like you say, Thomas, the US
Speaker 1: military is designed just to fight the Cold War. So
Speaker 1: is our political so is our political thought. That's what
Speaker 1: we're taught. We're just I mean that our philosophy now
Speaker 1: is we're just continually fighting the Cold War. Everyone's an enemy,
Speaker 1: everyone's out to get us. And then it's just come home.
Speaker 1: And now it's we're fighting the Cold War in our
Speaker 1: home on our on the home front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, and you'd think that
Speaker 3: like again, I you know, the first to admit, first
Speaker 3: to emphatically state that history doesn't repeat itself. But when
Speaker 3: you're talking about but I mean, human activity is basically
Speaker 3: like a closed uh loop. You know, like there's like
Speaker 3: limited numbers of like outcomes, you know, and there's like
Speaker 3: there's like there's not like infinite variables like human behavior. Okay,
Speaker 3: so there's like parallels. So if you're trying to you're
Speaker 3: trying to like identify if you're trying to like identify
Speaker 3: potental course of action like in any given like emergent
Speaker 3: scenario of a political nature, you know, you you do
Speaker 3: go to the historical record like trying to find parallels.
Speaker 3: I mean, like obviously particularly on things related to like
Speaker 3: military questions. The it's really unprecedented for that that level
Speaker 3: like kind of structural sinility the way like America is,
Speaker 3: it's like it's like total inability to like adapt after
Speaker 3: November nineth, nineteen eighty nine, like Bush and Baker were adapting,
Speaker 3: which is it is fascinating how like the deep state
Speaker 3: totally and completely sabotaged, like their vision moving forward to globalism.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying you got to think like Bush
Speaker 3: was like a like Bush for one was like a
Speaker 3: good guy or something, but surprise, what's that.
Speaker 2: His management at the end of the Cold War, how
Speaker 2: no one got nuked? Is I mean, like it's it's
Speaker 2: really truly. Yeah, it's a remarkable uh diplomatic chievements.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Gulf War coalition that was uh, the Prussians
Speaker 3: would envy that, like in terms of like how the
Speaker 3: war was executed, but the way he he corralled literally uh,
Speaker 3: you know, the the Syrians, the Saudis, he had that
Speaker 3: he had he had hid the Soviet Union which was
Speaker 3: its final days then like sign off in the operation,
Speaker 3: you know, like he had like he had a literal
Speaker 3: like army of the nations like arrayed against Sadam. That's
Speaker 3: that's completely insane. Like the guy was like a historical
Speaker 3: giant of a US president in post war terms. Like
Speaker 3: even if you don't like him, like some guy the
Speaker 3: other day in the Internet was like, you know Bush
Speaker 3: forty one was he was what a gray man? Idiots,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like that,
Speaker 3: that's so like delusional, but but no, but the the
Speaker 3: total inability of the deep state to manage like the
Speaker 3: post Cold War environment, and it shows you like how
Speaker 3: like the rot was deep. Like even people this idea
Speaker 3: that like the Reagan era was like really based and
Speaker 3: the government related shipped together. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: that cadre that that filled out the Bush forty one administration,
Speaker 3: like James Baker, Casser Weinberger, Laurence Evelberger, like a bunch
Speaker 3: of these guys, Like those guys were like very serious guys,
Speaker 3: especially Baker. Baker's somebody I really admire, Okay, but uh,
Speaker 3: the wider kind of uh national security apparatus, it was
Speaker 3: a bunch of goofs and and idiots, you know, like
Speaker 3: I mean, people who just couldn't handle you know, the
Speaker 3: the changing of the guard figuratively and literally. And and
Speaker 3: then they didn't want the Cold War to end because
Speaker 3: like they they were it was it was it was
Speaker 3: like basically like a con to them. It was just
Speaker 3: like a way of like you know, being able to
Speaker 3: kind of live off the public coffers and profit by
Speaker 3: the ongoing threat of h.
Speaker 2: Of Don of war, Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney just yeah,
Speaker 2: guys like that exactly. They just treated the being higher
Speaker 2: thing like this existential struggle. And I'm I'm just old
Speaker 2: enough to remember like the Cold War when it was
Speaker 2: serious and I grew up next to, you know, a
Speaker 2: military base on the West coast, and so there were
Speaker 2: times when I was a kid where like you know,
Speaker 2: the f sixteens would come screaming, you know, off their
Speaker 2: off their base and like you know, you knew some
Speaker 2: serious ship was going down.
Speaker 3: Or like when I was in elementary school, we'd still
Speaker 3: we'd have they called them by then, emergency drills, like euphemistically,
Speaker 3: you know, like we'd have to we'd have to go
Speaker 3: to dates, like the bell would ring like three times
Speaker 3: over and over again, and we'd have to like go
Speaker 3: single file to the lower level. And then you'd like
Speaker 3: we're like that was was structure, the reasoning being like
Speaker 3: it was structurally more robust, I guess, And like every
Speaker 3: classroom had like a number that was posted where like
Speaker 3: you'd have to and like they for you like a
Speaker 3: symbol and then like you get down on your hands
Speaker 3: and knees and you duck and cover and like put
Speaker 3: your head like against the wall and we have to
Speaker 3: hold a position for thirty seconds. It was, oh, this
Speaker 3: is the emergency, driel Yeah, well the only emergency you
Speaker 3: do that in is nuclear war, okay, And so this, uh,
Speaker 3: I felt like slapping people. I mean even not just
Speaker 3: not just I get kids a pass like young people,
Speaker 3: I mean people fuckers like my age and older. Like
Speaker 3: when the COVID thing was everything, We've never faced a
Speaker 3: threat like this. I'm like, what the fuck are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Are you insane? You know, like I, I
Speaker 3: and every other kid in America grew up with the
Speaker 3: reality you might become counter value attrician, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: like it was the seasonal flu is like an existential menace,
Speaker 3: unlike anything really like it's but that's that's a digression.
Speaker 2: Well it is I think a good illustration of just
Speaker 2: how fundamentally unserious are our elite have become, Right, Like
Speaker 2: I've talked about on Peacha before and everyone should check out,
Speaker 2: like his series is Doctor Johnson on Twitter years together.
Speaker 2: But like, fundamentally, this whole Ukraine thing is just because
Speaker 2: like a bunch of American neocons are still salty about
Speaker 2: the Hammannitsky program program from sixteen forty eight. I mean,
Speaker 2: That's that's why the war in Ukraine is a thing, right.
Speaker 3: And I mean the tribe absolutely hates Russia. Like the
Speaker 3: degree to which they hate Russia like can't be overstated,
Speaker 3: like just anecdotally. I kind of like Ralph Bakshi, even
Speaker 3: though he's like a huge fucking Jew, like you know,
Speaker 3: the animator. He made this really interesting movie called American Pop,
Speaker 3: and I really like that movie, and it's basically about
Speaker 3: this family. It follows these four generations of these guys.
Speaker 3: Like one of them is like this vaudeville performer, Like
Speaker 3: one of them is just like piano prodigy gets killed
Speaker 3: in World War two. One of them is like this
Speaker 3: songwriter's kind of like a cross between like Louied and
Speaker 3: did Ramone who becomes like this huge heroin addict and
Speaker 3: his son then becomes this like like uh, this like
Speaker 3: huge rock star, you know, like in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: It's it's a cool movie, but it opens up where
Speaker 3: the Cossacks are like programming like the Russian Jews, because
Speaker 3: like even Ba actually used like this like New York
Speaker 3: City guy. He's like, oh, you know, the Russians are
Speaker 3: like you know, they're doesn't have the Semitic bastards like that,
Speaker 3: that's literally like their number one enemy. They fucking hate
Speaker 3: the Russians and the Russians have no love for them.
Speaker 3: But the Ukraine Wars complicated, it's it's in large measure
Speaker 3: where it was returning the serve for the Russians and
Speaker 3: Assad's forces, uh, levying a huge defeat against id F
Speaker 3: and there and their tech fery proxies in Syria. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I mean it so yeah, like anybody, anybody doesn't
Speaker 3: understand like the dynamic between the Russians and the Jews
Speaker 3: as of people, like it's not in the game, right, Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: But but we're you know, we're dealing with right, both
Speaker 2: both world wars start over like border disputes in Eastern
Speaker 2: Europe that heavily involved Jews, right, and we're supposed to
Speaker 2: just sit here and like be like this is fine
Speaker 2: and and get more involved in like wait a minute,
Speaker 2: didn't World War One start over a border dispute with Slavs?
Speaker 3: And well, just this idea too, I mean, just like
Speaker 3: the monumental ignorance like it made the point of people before,
Speaker 3: you know, like the American left, like guys like Peter
Speaker 3: Arnett and and the like, and in media especially. I mean,
Speaker 3: I thought those guys were terrible people, but there was
Speaker 3: like a consistency to them, and you know they they
Speaker 3: there there, there wasn't internal logic to like their perspective
Speaker 3: like the American left now like they want to like
Speaker 3: they they're basic a chewleading section for uh, for like
Speaker 3: the warfare state. Like it's bizarre. These people are totally illerate,
Speaker 3: you know, like uh like if the uh if you know,
Speaker 3: it's like that scene in the movie Caligula, which is
Speaker 3: probably apocryphal, where it's like Caligula he he orders the
Speaker 3: roleman Allegiance to like assault the seed, to like conquer
Speaker 3: like Poseidon's kingdom or like Neptune, I guess his kingdom. Okay,
Speaker 3: Like if Joe Biden had like ordered like the US
Speaker 3: Marines wottack the Atlantic Ocean, like these fagats would have
Speaker 3: been like, yeah, we hate the Atlantic Ocean. They're like
Speaker 3: racist and stuff like like they're they're literally retarded, you know,
Speaker 3: like they they couldn't find Ukraine on a map, but
Speaker 3: they you know, it's like if you're gonna pretend to
Speaker 3: like care about some other country, Ukraine is literally it's
Speaker 3: it's a failed state in order of Somalia, like run
Speaker 3: by a literal like homicidal criminal mafia. It's like sitting
Speaker 3: around saying you love like Edia means Uganda, Like you know,
Speaker 3: it's like you really you love Ukraine, like you think
Speaker 3: like the Zelenski mafia is awesome, and it's like your
Speaker 3: idea of like a good government that then needs to
Speaker 3: be defended, like it's you can't, you can't make this
Speaker 3: ship off. These people are they're literally insane and they're
Speaker 3: literally retarded.
Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, of course you're right, but this
Speaker 2: this notion that like individual rights or that a society
Speaker 2: where you're like weird devotion to transsexualism as a religious value,
Speaker 2: absolute personal autonomy to the point of of you know,
Speaker 2: like shedding male and female and you know, total liberation
Speaker 2: from any kind of that that's possible in any kind
Speaker 2: of society that actually functions, right. You know, these people
Speaker 2: will talk about like, well, you're a gender fascist, but
Speaker 2: because I think boys are boys and girls are girls,
Speaker 2: Like if if egalitarian rousey and liberalism leads you to
Speaker 2: the point where you think, like cross dressing is a
Speaker 2: major political issue as opposed to like a very weird,
Speaker 2: very niche fetish that should be you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, that's why you're like people I make that
Speaker 3: point of feel all the time. It's like, don't. It's
Speaker 3: like what the fuck you're doing, Like arguing with like
Speaker 3: sexual paraphilias. It's like there's all these people are insane,
Speaker 3: and those times that aren't insane, it's like they're they're
Speaker 3: basically like they're a making fun of you, and there
Speaker 3: be like running up you sabotage. You don't like engage
Speaker 3: people who like say crazy things. That's like arguing with
Speaker 3: some hobo on the subway with like shit in his pants,
Speaker 3: you know, like you don't. It's like I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: argue with these fucking people. You're like not just because
Speaker 3: I don't argue with my people's enemies. But it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like you just said, it's like if you're if
Speaker 3: if if what you believe is politics is like talking
Speaker 3: about like parrot sexual paraphilias, like uh, like I you know,
Speaker 3: traditionally like the remedy that would would would be a
Speaker 3: heavy shot.
Speaker 2: Right and with good reason, right, like and this is
Speaker 2: this is why, this is why like you've seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're I'm not going to advocate murdering people, but
Speaker 3: I'm also not going to argue with them and pretend
Speaker 3: like they have some position that deserves being heard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just enough younger than you. I think that
Speaker 2: like everyone, like I'm in my mid forties, so everyone
Speaker 2: younger than me, like has no coherent memory of like
Speaker 2: a coherent society. And why they're constantly talking about fascism
Speaker 2: and why the research engine interest today. And I think
Speaker 2: one of the great services you provide, Thomas, and I
Speaker 2: kudos and plaudits for this. You know, in the dark
Speaker 2: years in the seventies, eighties and nineties, when all the
Speaker 2: men who'd actually been there were dying of old age
Speaker 2: and they're or a few people like yourself, Mark Webber,
Speaker 2: a couple others who kept the light alive. Around twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen or so, it was the twenty twelve election where
Speaker 2: you know, you had like literally movie star, a handsome
Speaker 2: like Graying Temple's Mitt Romney, right, like you know, he's
Speaker 2: like the central casting Republican.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, he had great here, yeah, you know, like
Speaker 3: you know, well yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, but but you know, Conservatism like they saw that
Speaker 2: like it had failed, like like we lost to Obama again.
Speaker 2: You know, like this guy obvious lightweight, probably a homosexual,
Speaker 2: like yeah, just an empty suit. And you know the
Speaker 2: O eight crisis he'd done nothing about, you know, done
Speaker 2: nothing with that, and you just give a tool of
Speaker 2: the banks.
Speaker 3: And it was just also like this random guy like
Speaker 3: it didn't his cannas, he didn't make any sense. It's
Speaker 3: like if you were going to like if you're gonna
Speaker 3: take I'm dating myself as reference. But people remember J. C. Watts.
Speaker 3: He was this He was a Canadian football league jock,
Speaker 3: and he was kind of the Republican's token like black guy.
Speaker 3: He was just kind of like slick black dude who
Speaker 3: always like wore really nice suits, and he came up
Speaker 3: as kind of carnye you know, like oh I'm J. C.
Speaker 2: Watts.
Speaker 3: I'm like I'm like I'm like hands on him in
Speaker 3: like Hollywood terms, like polite black man. It's like, okay,
Speaker 3: if're gonna draft a guy like that and like make
Speaker 3: him and like install him as president, like okay, get it,
Speaker 3: or if you're gonna draft some like Spanish guy is
Speaker 3: like you know, this is like mister immigrant, like Spanish
Speaker 3: guy who like bootstrapped himself into success and like basically
Speaker 3: make his candidacy like a reality TV show. How are fake?
Speaker 2: That was?
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, get that. It's like Obama. It's like,
Speaker 3: here's this random guy who's like from Hawaii. You know,
Speaker 3: we're gonna pretend he's from Chicago, and then we're gonna
Speaker 3: pretend he's black. Like the whole thing was like very random,
Speaker 3: straight and pretend he's right. Like yeah, but it made
Speaker 3: but it's like why. It's like, why are you gonna
Speaker 3: pretend he's black? Like why if you're gonna like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like either draft an actual black guy or make
Speaker 3: the narrative. He's just like, say, it's another world colored person.
Speaker 3: Like why it made no fucking sense. And that's also
Speaker 3: why the guy's like totally forgotten now because they had
Speaker 3: no context. You know.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, he has he has CIA connections. That's why
Speaker 2: they ended up. But anyway, the thing that thing to
Speaker 2: think about, right is and this is where I came in.
Speaker 2: I came in and came into the movement about twenty
Speaker 2: years ago and after the failure of the Ron Paul Revolution,
Speaker 2: and you know, you really only are given these three alternatives, right,
Speaker 2: how do you deal with this? Mass society where millions
Speaker 2: of people are you know, turning wrenches in a car factory,
Speaker 2: or millions of people are you know, driving to and
Speaker 2: from work every day. Millions of people are you know,
Speaker 2: logging into the computers. Millions of people are doing all
Speaker 2: these things, and you know, the coherent alternatives are like
Speaker 2: capitalism as we know it, which is which has failed
Speaker 2: people my age and younger, like spectacularly. They can't afford houses,
Speaker 2: they can't get married, they can't save, they can't they
Speaker 2: can't afford to live anywhere safe. They have to live
Speaker 2: in vans, like you know, that was a joke when
Speaker 2: we were a kid, you know, Chris Frowley and then
Speaker 2: you live in a right, Yeah, well now that's like
Speaker 2: that's like aspirational, like oh you live in a really
Speaker 2: nice van down by the river. You know, Like wait
Speaker 2: a second, Like when I was a kid, this was
Speaker 2: like not a good thing, and now like it's all
Speaker 2: that you know, younger like older zoolers younger but literis
Speaker 2: can afford.
Speaker 3: And so it's going on for a minute. I mean
Speaker 3: absolutely right when I was uh, when I was home
Speaker 3: was I mean like much of that was like my
Speaker 3: own fault. I'm not not saying that like conditions like
Speaker 3: mac or economic conditions made me homeless, but I'd meet
Speaker 3: like other homeless people and a lot of them were, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were like young guys and girls where they couldn't
Speaker 3: they literally couldn't afford rent or whatever or like I'm
Speaker 3: certainly not a mortgage, and they had like fucked up
Speaker 3: parents who basically threw them out. They were like or
Speaker 3: were like shitheads who like wouldn't let them stay with
Speaker 3: them while they got on their feet, and it was
Speaker 3: like eye opening. I'm like, wow, that's terrible, but uh right,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna raise up and I'm gonna I
Speaker 3: don't want to be abrupt, but I figure I've been
Speaker 3: going for an hour and I'm still kind of not
Speaker 3: feeling great. We can take this up again sometime and
Speaker 3: in the next few days or like in a week,
Speaker 3: if you guys want to make this. And I'm going thin,
Speaker 3: I think, I think.
Speaker 2: It's been really great. But I just and I'm happy
Speaker 2: to hear to listen to you talk anytime, but I
Speaker 2: think it's important for the listener to realize, like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's a reason like hardcore Bolsheviks. After the two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight crisis, like did the Occupy Wall Street thing
Speaker 2: and then it failed because they were obsessioned with like
Speaker 2: DEI stuff. And why the resurgence of influence, our interest
Speaker 2: in in you know, fascist alternatives. Why why there's a
Speaker 2: bunch of guys who are thirty years old and who
Speaker 2: Stan Hitler is Because you've seen the same kind of
Speaker 2: conditions that you know created the revolution in the first
Speaker 2: place in Wymar, Like you know, there's hyperinflation and trainees
Speaker 2: and like Jews are in charge.
Speaker 3: And like, no, I think young people are awesome, Like
Speaker 3: not just because I mean, young people are the future.
Speaker 3: I mean that's who we should be focused on anyway.
Speaker 3: But young guys and girls generally, they're shit together. That's
Speaker 3: why I like, I don't like when people trash zoomers
Speaker 3: because I mean, that's that's stupid anyway, and like a
Speaker 3: shitty way to be. But zoomers have a lot of
Speaker 3: they got a lot of uh dynamic energy and and
Speaker 3: even like a lot of the zoomers on the left,
Speaker 3: Like I was talking to some of these kids that
Speaker 3: I ran across at the at the DNC protest and
Speaker 3: like other places, and like a lot of them uh
Speaker 3: they're kind of naive and in terms of their utopian concepts,
Speaker 3: but a lot of them are are kind of they
Speaker 3: read you guys like a manual Vollerstein and they read
Speaker 3: uh like they read serious left wing stuff and they
Speaker 3: realize that, they realize that like pro regime like perverts,
Speaker 3: like our pieces of shit and like they're their enemy.
Speaker 2: Yeah them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying it's great if kids read Marks
Speaker 3: and Lenin, but I they're at least that's serious stuff.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not it's not like regime pornography and
Speaker 3: like bougie fucking garbage.
Speaker 2: No, that's true. And I was talking with a friend today,
Speaker 2: like the most depressed people in the world right now
Speaker 2: and for probably the last fifty years at least, have
Speaker 2: been like indigenous Christians in Israel, in West Bank and Gaza, Palestine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and like to give those guys in the left at
Speaker 2: least credit, they're they're at least serious about like these
Speaker 2: people are oppressed and they're being murdered by the thousands
Speaker 2: by this regime. They might call a fascists, I might
Speaker 2: call it. And there's some truth that because Jabatanski was
Speaker 2: a fascist. Right Lil Coup found of the Lil Coup Party,
Speaker 2: Like it's basically just stole Stoll Mussolini's notes and so.
Speaker 3: We know leecudism is like it's like a prestiche of
Speaker 3: of of of all kinds of things that don't really
Speaker 3: make sense and in the context is implemented. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it's no, there's uh, these are these are amazing times
Speaker 3: and and things are incredibly I'm incredibly optimistic. And anybody
Speaker 3: who's not doesn't anybody's not said they're like, uh, addicted
Speaker 3: to their own addicted to like the stink of their
Speaker 3: own failure and misery, or they're just like not engaged
Speaker 3: with you know, what's what's happening around them.
Speaker 1: No, I think a lot of yeah, i'll help us,
Speaker 1: I'll help us close out here. I think I think
Speaker 1: just a lot of people too are their whole stick
Speaker 1: is nothing is going to ever get better, and that's
Speaker 1: and they're just selling it and the other monetizing that.
Speaker 1: So all right, let me let you guys, Let me
Speaker 1: let you guys get out of here. Thomas, two plugs
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the best place to find me is on my substick.
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Speaker 1: All right, thanks lot, guys, have a good night. I
Speaker 1: want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Jona Show.
Speaker 1: So the interesting thing about this episode is this episode
Speaker 1: is a year late. We had this episode planned for
Speaker 1: July thirteenth of last year, and then something really weird
Speaker 1: happened in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania, and we ended up talking
Speaker 1: about that, and well, what better time than on the
Speaker 1: year anniversary to revisit the subject of the infrastructure of
Speaker 1: the NSDAP and Germany of nineteen thirty of the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 1: and yeah, especially as our infrastructure is crumbling around us. So, Thomas,
Speaker 1: how are you doing today?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing pretty well. Man. Thanks for including me.
Speaker 1: Coolde, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great, man. It's always a pleasure to beyond with you,
Speaker 2: and always a pleasure to beyond with Tom. I've learned
Speaker 2: with some guys. Man, the college classes every single one
Speaker 2: of your guys, the series or a series of college lectures.
Speaker 2: It really is fantastic.
Speaker 3: And that's a great problem. And thank you.
Speaker 1: See this is this is your subject, man, this is
Speaker 1: your idea. I'm just getting interject to ask questions. Why
Speaker 1: don't you take off and go where you want to go?
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'll try to try to keep the
Speaker 2: autism to a minimum here. But just as a brief aside,
Speaker 2: I'll give you a brief sketch. The road network in
Speaker 2: Europe wasn't as good as it was in the time
Speaker 2: of the Five Good Emperors again until like the late
Speaker 2: nineteenth century and McAdam invented his mcadamization asphalt paving process.
Speaker 2: And I want to say, like eighteen thirty. So a
Speaker 2: man like a road network where nothing is paved or
Speaker 2: hardly anything is paved, and only like cities might have cobblestones,
Speaker 2: and maybe maybe maybe like major highways between say like
Speaker 2: Rome and Ostia might be paved. But that's not normal now.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you can get like lightly laden carts
Speaker 2: and stuff, you know, to and front places, but really
Speaker 2: like in order to keep the road from training into
Speaker 2: like a mud bog, you gotta pave it to keep
Speaker 2: the water off. And the most efficient way to transport
Speaker 2: to anything is of course via water, which is why
Speaker 2: Germany is richer than Italy, because Italy has one real
Speaker 2: river valley, the po in the north and it and
Speaker 2: it outflows into Venice, which is you know, a decent
Speaker 2: port only because of the heroic efforts of the Venetians themselves. Right,
Speaker 2: it's normally very swampy and not a difficult or a
Speaker 2: very difficult place to make it a living. Only the
Speaker 2: heroic efforts of the Venetians have made it someplace prosperous
Speaker 2: and liveable. And you know, France has got six huge
Speaker 2: river valleys. Basically, nowhere in the UK or nowhere in
Speaker 2: England itself is more than twenty five miles from water
Speaker 2: from from like a port that'll get to get to water.
Speaker 2: So that's why those two countries were in Germany were
Speaker 2: the most prosperous countries in Europe. You know, Spain only
Speaker 2: has the Ebro. So in a world where like heavy
Speaker 2: transport has to be done via water basically because the
Speaker 2: roads aren't up to it, Like how do you develop internally? Right,
Speaker 2: in Germany, it'd only been united since what eighteen seventy one,
Speaker 2: was that I want to say seventy nine, right, okay,
Speaker 2: eighteen seven, So like like four years after uncle is born,
Speaker 2: is you know, like you know is or four years before? Right?
Speaker 3: Like this is not all right?
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I was thinking Musolini? Right? So yeah, So
Speaker 2: you know Musolini's born in eighteen eighty three, right, he's
Speaker 2: only thirteen years before is when Italy was was was
Speaker 2: again a whole political entity. And you know Hitler was
Speaker 2: only like ten years before Hitler was born was when
Speaker 2: Germany became a whole nation again. So you have these
Speaker 2: what had been you know, how do you how do
Speaker 2: you integrate like the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies road
Speaker 2: network into the Papal States road network, into the City
Speaker 2: states and the North road network. You know, do you
Speaker 2: have the same standards in Bavaria and Pomerania? How does
Speaker 2: that work? So you've got this huge coordination problem that
Speaker 2: takes forever to figure out. And at least in the
Speaker 2: Holy Roman Empire, a big part of what made like
Speaker 2: little baronies economically viable was their traditional right to tax.
Speaker 2: So you'd have these locks all along this river network
Speaker 2: in Germany where you know, this barren of this one
Speaker 2: little spot would charge a toll. There's this massive increase
Speaker 2: in internal costs, you know, just shipping something down the rhine,
Speaker 2: there'd be a stop here, and a stop here and
Speaker 2: a stop here. So improving the transportation network and essentially
Speaker 2: internal free trade right like what List says, right, internally
Speaker 2: free trade and development allows you to greatly decrease your
Speaker 2: transportation costs, your friction right and allows you to ship
Speaker 2: things over land between rail which is ten times more
Speaker 2: efficient than roads. That's why the nineteenth century was the
Speaker 2: century of just railroad mania, right the United States, Germany, France,
Speaker 2: the UK, all over the place. Rail was the name
Speaker 2: of the game. But that rail network that built out
Speaker 2: of the rail network allowed you to build out the
Speaker 2: road network because your transportation costs for things like I
Speaker 2: don't know, gravel all of a sudden drop by fifty
Speaker 2: sixty seventy eighty percent when you can throw it on
Speaker 2: a train, and just.
Speaker 3: As the quick aside.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: One of the things that the British wanted to do
Speaker 3: when they when they roprat about purposes, won the Scramble
Speaker 3: for Africa. They wanted to build a railroad that started
Speaker 3: in North Africa and ended at the cap. So basically,
Speaker 3: like they wanted to have like a trans Siberian railroad
Speaker 3: that like spanned Africa, which is totally insane, but it
Speaker 3: would have been it probably would have been viable, man,
Speaker 3: if they could have held it, you know, and if
Speaker 3: they hadn't detonated their own orcus. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's actually part of the you bring it up.
Speaker 2: But like there was a conflict with the Portuguese because
Speaker 2: the Portuguese had Angola and Mozambique, right, and they wanted it.
Speaker 2: They wanted a trans African railway to control their they're
Speaker 2: holdings on the east and west coast and the British
Speaker 2: one of theirs going north south. And they almost got it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't remember they actually finished the African railroad.
Speaker 3: Or not, but yeah, that was that was Cecil Roads big.
Speaker 3: That was his big ambition, you know. And in some
Speaker 3: ways Roads Roads kinda reminds me of Blackjack Pershing in
Speaker 3: some ways, I mean, I I think, I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: roads is more roads at a certain time. If he
Speaker 3: was one of these he was one of these kinds
Speaker 3: of imperialist characters that came up through the Crown charter
Speaker 3: system of wealth management and adventurism. I mean, person was
Speaker 3: very much you know, like kind of a a logistics
Speaker 3: and engineering genius and a very effective combat commander. But yeah,
Speaker 3: these guys are really extraordinary in terms of their in
Speaker 3: terms of their intellect.
Speaker 2: Well, and that that leads us to if he hadn't
Speaker 2: had died in an untimely fashion. I don't know what
Speaker 2: your personal opinion of Fritz tot is, Thomas, but I
Speaker 2: am a massive admirer of total personally.
Speaker 3: Doctor and he and Helmar Shocked. Helmar Shocked is a
Speaker 3: reason why the UK delegation to the Internetional Military Treatbunal
Speaker 3: basically intervened and said, you know, you're you're gonna cut
Speaker 3: this man loose because we need him. You know, Toad
Speaker 3: was much more a patriot than Shocked was. But Toad
Speaker 3: and Helmer Shocked were responsible for the uh, the economy
Speaker 3: of the German Reich becoming what it was, and in
Speaker 3: terms of such that such that centrally planned efforts. I mean,
Speaker 3: all banking systems are gonna be somewhat centralized, Okay, I
Speaker 3: mean like that that's not an ethical question, it's a
Speaker 3: it's just reality. But yeah, I think they're they're they're
Speaker 3: both personages who are essential understanding the uh the economics
Speaker 3: of the German Reich. And they were both you know,
Speaker 3: towering intellects and in different aspects of macroeconomic praxie definitely.
Speaker 2: So for those of you who don't know, doctor Fritz
Speaker 2: Tote was the head of organization Tote, which was the
Speaker 2: police Thomas correct my pronunciation because I'm terribout this sort
Speaker 2: of thing. And he was succeeded by Albert Speer, who
Speaker 2: is the guy who uh designed the Volkshall but ultimately
Speaker 2: turned trader and after the war and and a low
Speaker 2: opinion of that anyway, doctor Tote goes to uh, you
Speaker 2: know technically University of Munich and gets gets a pH
Speaker 2: d in uh civil engineering on on effectively paving roads.
Speaker 2: And he is the one who's responsible for the audubon
Speaker 2: for the Atlantic Wall from for for honestly most of
Speaker 2: you know, the Third Reich's construction projects. He was the inspector.
Speaker 2: Jennifer watered End is the right a minister for armaments munitions.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that was the key. That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: The key really played was as armaments minister, you know,
Speaker 3: in terms of the war effort and and some of
Speaker 3: these projects that were essential to national defense. To be
Speaker 3: clear about the Autobon too, this kind of mass highway
Speaker 3: system I raised Pershing because you know, Pershing was Eisenhower
Speaker 3: was a disciple of Pershing, and that's basically where he
Speaker 3: inherited the idea for what became the interstate system, and
Speaker 3: like a mass highway system, among other things, on a
Speaker 3: continent sized scale, you needed to be able to deploy
Speaker 3: forces and being an event of general war, and that
Speaker 3: was one of the reasons for the you know, the
Speaker 3: Eisenhower Expressway system. You know, it's that you can deploy
Speaker 3: east and west rapidly. And the Autobon obviously when Rice
Speaker 3: Commissary at Moscow then was realized, you know it had
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union been defeated and assimilated into the Greater
Speaker 3: German Reich, you know, the the the Autobahn was going
Speaker 3: to go from Spain to the Earls.
Speaker 2: You know, probably even by call really, I mean, why not?
Speaker 2: Why not? No? I think it's it's important to realize that,
Speaker 2: like the the US interstate system is directly Eisenhower got
Speaker 2: to Europe, got to Germany and was like, wow, these
Speaker 2: roads are fantastic and basically just stole the plans.
Speaker 3: And the.
Speaker 2: Early the early days of World War One, with all
Speaker 2: the mobilizations and all the difficulties and the logistical problems
Speaker 2: right of feeding people were so ingrained in the German
Speaker 2: people that they just didn't want that sort of thing
Speaker 2: to happen again. And by building this network of really
Speaker 2: good highways, you could distribute the food. You know, if
Speaker 2: one section is bombed out, you could rebuild that and
Speaker 2: have and route the food around. So the problem with
Speaker 2: the rail is it's way more efficient in terms of
Speaker 2: how much energies needed to move you know, a ton
Speaker 2: of stuff from point A to point B, but you
Speaker 2: messed that one switching yard or that one track up,
Speaker 2: and you know the line is cut. Whereas a road.
Speaker 3: Compatibility too of the rail gauge and stuff causes issues.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to see you real quick too. I've
Speaker 3: got almost nothing nice to say as much Spear, but
Speaker 3: some of his design concepts, I think we're pretty brilliant.
Speaker 3: And one of the things he insisted upon and that
Speaker 3: the Fear very much approved of locally. Spears said that,
Speaker 3: you know, we need to source materials locally as much
Speaker 3: as possible in building the Autobond, you know, so we
Speaker 3: need to incorporate natural features into things like bridges, so
Speaker 3: you know, like in a section of the Autobond that
Speaker 3: you know, like stretches through the Ryan Land or whatever is,
Speaker 3: you know, gonna gonna reflect the natural environment there and
Speaker 3: like the local ecology, you know, like ditto for you know,
Speaker 3: East Prussia and what have you, and a lot of
Speaker 3: these this had really great optics, you know, and that
Speaker 3: that can't really as an imperative priority to the German
Speaker 3: roy get you know, the highest levels that can't be
Speaker 3: over sedated. I mean, Hitler was an artist. That's one
Speaker 3: of the things he had in common with Spear. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, Hitler's primary interest was architecture and things, you know,
Speaker 3: in Spear obviously was kind of a pure architect. I
Speaker 3: mean he had he had keep I mean I stipulated,
Speaker 3: he had capabilities you know that were remarkable.
Speaker 2: As an architect, he was a genius.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: As a political soldier, he left a fair even.
Speaker 3: It's a cynic. I mean I think he Spears the
Speaker 3: kind of guy who you know, he he finds a
Speaker 3: way to win, insinuate himself around powerful men and impressed them,
Speaker 3: and he doesn't care about the politics, and he will
Speaker 3: do it about face as soon as it becomes expedient
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: So, you know which, which, Yeah, so doctor Tutt, right,
Speaker 2: he dies in a plane crash. He himself won the
Speaker 2: Iron Cross under the German Empire in the First World War. So,
Speaker 2: but the internal road network of Germany, I mean they're
Speaker 2: still using the same autobahn that Fritz Todt built in
Speaker 2: like nineteen thirty eight, right, And not only was it
Speaker 2: a massive internal improvement project, but it's one of the
Speaker 2: ways that you know that the Reike was able to
Speaker 2: to kill unemployment in the Reike was just they didn't
Speaker 2: have trucks, you know. I mean the SS was invading Germany,
Speaker 2: or not invading Germany, invading invading Russia with mules and
Speaker 2: stuff because they didn't have enough trucks, well, because they
Speaker 2: didn't have the earth moving equipment. Because they didn't have
Speaker 2: enough trucks. A lot of this construction got done by hand, right,
Speaker 2: and you had large gangs of laborers that were relatively
Speaker 2: low skilled, but they get told like dig this out
Speaker 2: till it you know this, this slope matches here, and
Speaker 2: you could you can have lots of guys using picks
Speaker 2: and shovels and stuff, and you can build this road
Speaker 2: network internally. That enabled you know, the Germans to shift
Speaker 2: entire divisions from east to west relatively quickly. And in
Speaker 2: terms of you know, building the German economy, right, if
Speaker 2: you're if you're shipping costs go down by I saw
Speaker 2: something by the time they were done taking something from
Speaker 2: the port at Hamburg to Munich, the cost to drop
Speaker 2: by like something like twenty five percent. I want to say,
Speaker 2: but that that could just be so that's tickling the
Speaker 2: back of my brain. But if you're if your costs
Speaker 2: going from Hamburg to Munic go that far down, right,
Speaker 2: that's that's obviously a massive Just go to the internal economy, right,
Speaker 2: there's gonna be more jobs once you're if you're no
Speaker 2: longer working on like the Tuck Gang, right, or you
Speaker 2: maybe you take those construction skills you learned building they
Speaker 2: the uh building the roads to other projects, which is
Speaker 2: what how they ended up with the Atlantic Wall and
Speaker 2: you know like the Channel Islands forts and all of
Speaker 2: these other Internet line Yeah, the six Freed line right
Speaker 2: like much later. Yeah, but right, you have all these
Speaker 2: experienced personnel and you know, before they call we were
Speaker 2: talking right the notion that like, oh you know, it's socialism.
Speaker 2: They're they're using the government to build all these projects.
Speaker 2: Does anybody really think that like a Bechtel or a
Speaker 2: Conico Phillips or a GM or really a private company.
Speaker 3: Let's also the whole point. I mean, the reason why,
Speaker 3: the reason why the one thing that the Warsaw Pact
Speaker 3: excel at was in military hardware, you know, and things
Speaker 3: like space fearing vehicles is because obviously, like the spontaneous
Speaker 3: ordering of the price mechanism isn't essential to like building
Speaker 3: a good tank, and you don't require I mean, I
Speaker 3: don't even know what those inputs would be. Like we're gonna,
Speaker 3: you know, we're gon, we're gonna but we're gonna accept
Speaker 3: bids on who can like build the best auto bond,
Speaker 3: and then we're gonna take a hands off approach however
Speaker 3: they want to devise it. I mean, like, I yeah,
Speaker 3: that doesn't make any sense. And all uh, all capitalism
Speaker 3: and the industrial era is state capitalism. So yeah, it's
Speaker 3: neither here nor there to suggest that there's this like
Speaker 3: public private distinction. We're talking about fixed capital definitely.
Speaker 2: I think that as you built, you can completely crazy.
Speaker 2: There is no such thing as like particularly things like
Speaker 2: roads or canals or anything like that, right, Like the
Speaker 2: notion that like, oh, this is a private enterprise, Like.
Speaker 3: No, it's not, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that the libertarians get completely,
Speaker 2: completely wrong. The free market is going to build you know, this,
Speaker 2: this highway system. Something you talked about earlier, Thomas, is
Speaker 2: the aesthetics. Right. I have a quote from from Hitler
Speaker 2: somewhere from I think it's from the book Hitler's Engineers,
Speaker 2: But he said, you know, our roads have to be
Speaker 2: beautiful and as they reflect us as a people. And
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing here, the the Autobahn as envisioned by Hitler
Speaker 2: and Tote reflects that German artistic soul that's very ordered
Speaker 2: but also has this kind of longing for beautiful things
Speaker 2: and harmony. Yeah. Yeah, but the interstate highway system in America,
Speaker 2: particularly as you get west of the Mississippi, is the
Speaker 2: most brutal, utilitarian like just like massive project you've ever
Speaker 2: seen in your life, right, And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're out ninety four through town is not beautiful.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, And the reason it's not right is because
Speaker 2: the Reich was using mostly hand labor and what what lecurists.
Speaker 2: Explosives they did have had to be saved either for
Speaker 2: wartime or for something where like you're a whole a
Speaker 2: tunnel or something right, or clearing canal. So they just
Speaker 2: didn't have the you know, the massive amount of explosive
Speaker 2: and the personnel to use it. It just willing nearly
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 3: They're really fancyated me. There's this book called Hitler in
Speaker 3: the Power of Aesthetics by this guy named Frederick Spots
Speaker 3: and Spear designed and built a lot of these projects
Speaker 3: with an eye for what was called ruined value, you know,
Speaker 3: and that's that's why the Germans had certain ideas about
Speaker 3: you know, discrete building materials like feral concrete, because the
Speaker 3: ethos was, we've got to think about three thousand years
Speaker 3: from now, you know, we we've got we've got to
Speaker 3: have our great works leave ruins, you know, like that
Speaker 3: of the Valley the Kings in Cairo, or like the Parthenon,
Speaker 3: or like the Aliseum. You know, this is a deliberately
Speaker 3: historical enterprise that spams millennium, you know, and that's that
Speaker 3: underlies you know, very much like the ethos of the right,
Speaker 3: and I find that very compellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And just to give you an idea
Speaker 2: of why that's actually better to elaborate here for a second.
Speaker 2: So the United States after nineteen forty seven, right has
Speaker 2: effectively what is unlimited manpower, unlimited expertise, unlimited resources. And
Speaker 2: so they build out the federal highway system and they
Speaker 2: just make it straight because that's the most efficient. And
Speaker 2: if there's a little hill in the way, they'll just
Speaker 2: throw a bunch of dynamite. They've got a bunch of
Speaker 2: guys who did demo.
Speaker 3: In the war.
Speaker 2: They can absolutely, you know, just just blast. So you'll have,
Speaker 2: you know, sections of road in the United States that
Speaker 2: are five, ten, fifteen, twenty miles long, just in a
Speaker 2: straight line. And as you're driving across like North Dakota,
Speaker 2: dear listener, no offense intended to any of our listeners
Speaker 2: in North Dakota, it gets really hard to pay attention
Speaker 2: when you're like just going twenty miles straight, right, even
Speaker 2: at eighty.
Speaker 3: Miles tailored for a highway hypnosis exactly right.
Speaker 2: So, because the Germans didn't have all that access to
Speaker 2: easy blasting paths, they had to, you know, roads have
Speaker 2: to follow the path that is most flat relatively speaking.
Speaker 2: And so if you've got to go like and make
Speaker 2: a slight curve to the left or you know, gently
Speaker 2: kind of rise and follow the terrain a little bit more,
Speaker 2: that's actually makes a better drive. You don't you don't
Speaker 2: do things like fall asleep the way you can, like
Speaker 2: you know, if you're driving from I ninety from Liken
Speaker 2: to you know, Seattle, right, there's places where you're just
Speaker 2: gonna fall asleep because there's nothing.
Speaker 3: We realized too, Like if you like automobiles, and you know,
Speaker 3: I always I mean I don't drive these days, but
Speaker 3: you know I was really like I always really like
Speaker 3: driving in cars and stuff when I was young, you know,
Speaker 3: like driving them and working on them and the you know,
Speaker 3: the all these Carol Shelby designs, you know that were
Speaker 3: Grand Touring designated vehicles, you know, like a touring vehicle.
Speaker 3: I realized, like Ford and all kinds of other American
Speaker 3: companies took on that designation. But it doesn't make any
Speaker 3: sense in America. Maybe it doesn't like Redwood Country somewhat,
Speaker 3: but you know, driving driving a Porsche like around these
Speaker 3: like winding roads through Bavaria, like through the elks. You know,
Speaker 3: it's a totally different experience.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and like like the only places in America
Speaker 2: where like a GT type car makes sense is like
Speaker 2: on the Pacific Coast Highway or something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah, and I've driven not just one
Speaker 3: O one, but I've driven these mountain roads through like Oregon,
Speaker 3: you know, which are like incredible. So then to know
Speaker 3: me wrong, like America and being at the wheel of
Speaker 3: a you know, like a like a comfortable like big
Speaker 3: block you know, Cadillac or something is uh it's dope,
Speaker 3: but uh it but it's not at all the same
Speaker 3: thing as you know, the the European experience. And even
Speaker 3: there's ah this footage like over Salzburg, you know, eagles
Speaker 3: nests and stuff. You know, like that's a perfect example,
Speaker 3: and there's uh, there's footage of uh what amounts to
Speaker 3: you know, the kind of work what became kind of
Speaker 3: the war console vud Browschich was had been sacked. But
Speaker 3: this just had to be like at the latest like
Speaker 3: great early ninety forty two, you know, like convening it
Speaker 3: over Salzburg and you see like these uh you know,
Speaker 3: you see these like stately vehicles like pulling off and
Speaker 3: it just looks like an incredible drive, Like looks like
Speaker 3: something from another planet or something.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, could you can you even imagine like in
Speaker 2: a like the Mercedes s K and you're driving from
Speaker 2: Frankfort am Main up to Vienna and like one of
Speaker 2: those bad boys, you know, that just the just the
Speaker 2: aesthetic experience. But because because they didn't have that ability
Speaker 2: to just blast straight through right, the road actually doesn't
Speaker 2: do the role road his notices thing where you're gonna
Speaker 2: fall asleep because there's just nothing to do and nothing
Speaker 2: to I've driven through like South Dakota, and you know,
Speaker 2: like you gotta have you gotta have somebody like sitting
Speaker 2: with you to like punch you in the arm so
Speaker 2: that you don't end up driving off the road.
Speaker 3: You know, No, it's crazy, you know. I take the
Speaker 3: greyund so much. I see a lot of like American highways,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh yeah, they're very flat. It's crazy
Speaker 3: too when you get out west, like the hills, the
Speaker 3: foothills and some of the smaller mountains, they just like
Speaker 3: I asked, these huge tunnels through them and when as
Speaker 3: a little kid, that really like blowing me out because
Speaker 3: they don't have that here in Chicago, but I'd be
Speaker 3: out in California and it's like, yeah, you're just like
Speaker 3: driving through this like mountain tunnel for like freaking you know.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, or you know, driving through this tunnel in
Speaker 2: the Rockies right that that is two miles long, you know.
Speaker 2: But but that's that's something that is I think bye.
Speaker 2: By caring about the aesthetics, by making sure that everyone
Speaker 2: had to have something beautiful to be able to look
Speaker 2: at something that they could be proud of, it really
Speaker 2: uh you know, you can not only not only people
Speaker 2: more likely to maintain it, but it ultimately ends up
Speaker 2: being easier to maintain because you're not fighting nature all
Speaker 2: the time. You know, you can drive nature out with
Speaker 2: the pitchfork because the saying goes, but it always comes back.
Speaker 2: So how do you if the ah, If the road
Speaker 2: itself like is part of the nature, it's not as
Speaker 2: difficult to a constantly be fighting nature to get the
Speaker 2: road accomplished.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I'm.
Speaker 2: Expressing myself poorly because I'm retarded. But and and by
Speaker 2: making that something that is the most important thing as
Speaker 2: you're doing it, do those beautiful roads not only become
Speaker 2: more likely to be maintained and more likely to function longer.
Speaker 2: They they also become an advertisement. And this is this
Speaker 2: is this is why I mean all only this is
Speaker 2: this is why the right got to be destroyed. Right,
Speaker 2: Is that just allowing them to be free was was
Speaker 2: an advertisement against a capitalist system?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, totally. It was a totally different ethos on potentialities,
Speaker 3: and it transcended conventional politics, you know, I mean and
Speaker 3: like like in some ways, like the Schnalinists did too.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I think Soviet cosmism is sort of
Speaker 3: a callback to that sort of transcendental mysticism of of
Speaker 3: Byzantium stuff. But no, I mean, but that that was
Speaker 3: somewhat incidental, obviously, and it was the result of a
Speaker 3: dialectical process that very much sort of deviated from the
Speaker 3: core ethos of Marcist Leninism. But no, the something that
Speaker 3: the fascists, the National Socialist access Europe was disposed towards
Speaker 3: as an essential aspect of the politics of the era,
Speaker 3: and specifically the revolutionary mandate that they were abiding, was
Speaker 3: you know, something that was epochal in nature and purely
Speaker 3: historical almost and was you know, partook of the highest
Speaker 3: possible forms of human action and cultural productivity absolutely well that.
Speaker 2: I think that something else that needs to be I
Speaker 2: think I've talked about this, Like the entire world changed
Speaker 2: like in you know, in the realm of like commtists,
Speaker 2: right like after the period of five good Emperors, you know,
Speaker 2: Marcus Aurelius. Even then most of the population was agricultural peasants.
Speaker 2: And you could take an agricultural peasant from the time
Speaker 2: of Marcus Aurelius, and there's been some very very good
Speaker 2: alternative history time you know, time travel type stuff, like
Speaker 2: you could take someone like that and take them to
Speaker 2: the world of say, I don't know what point the
Speaker 2: break would be, like the eighteen sixties, and aside from
Speaker 2: like firearms, like most of everything is like readily apparent.
Speaker 2: And still even in the eighteen sixties of the war
Speaker 2: between the States, most of the people in the world
Speaker 2: are agricultural peasants. But you know, in the Psalm in
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen fifteen and the you know Waterloo in eighteen fifteen,
Speaker 2: like the world changed so completely in that one hundred
Speaker 2: years that nothing was the same afterwards. And the National Socialists,
Speaker 2: the fascist whatever like that, that organization, those that aesthetic
Speaker 2: idea like those were the of the three choices or
Speaker 2: three ways to confront that massive change. Where there was Bolsheviks,
Speaker 2: there is judaeo Masonic capitalism, and then there was this
Speaker 2: this national you know, organic aesthetic romantic nationalism. I don't
Speaker 2: know how else to describe it. But of all those three,
Speaker 2: no one is going to care about. Like if you know,
Speaker 2: the United States government falls apart, no one's gonna care
Speaker 2: about like I ninety one hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: Or or yeah, exactly, or like some morandom federal building,
Speaker 3: you know, downtown. The a film that I like, you know,
Speaker 3: this seems crazy now, but HBO actually used to make
Speaker 3: really good original movies, Like they made this film about
Speaker 3: Andrei Chikatola, the Soviet serial killer, called Citizen X, with
Speaker 3: don On Sutherland in this. Yeah. Still, they made did
Speaker 3: this biopic of Stalin and Robert Duvall. They did a
Speaker 3: film version of Fatherland, the alternative history counterfectual, where the
Speaker 3: German Reich is victorious in World War Two, and uh,
Speaker 3: you know there's in the film it's uh the German
Speaker 3: Reichs preparing for Hitler's seventy fifth birthday celebrations. Joe Kennedy
Speaker 3: is the President Joe Kennedy is trying to end the
Speaker 3: Cold War that exists between America and the Reich. But
Speaker 3: it opens in the year ninety sixty four, and this
Speaker 3: American delegation is touring Berlin, which is now, you know,
Speaker 3: the European like the capital of nation Europa called Germania,
Speaker 3: and it's it's a combination of early CGI and Matt paintings,
Speaker 3: but it looks really cool. And the centerpiece is the Folkshall,
Speaker 3: which would have held one hundred and eighty thousand people.
Speaker 3: Hitler would have been able to access it from what
Speaker 3: would have been the Fure's Palace by way of an
Speaker 3: underground access road and he would emerge by elevator behind
Speaker 3: the podium. And the folks Hall would have been so
Speaker 3: massive that it would have had its own weather inside.
Speaker 3: The clouds would have formed, and it speculated that it
Speaker 3: would have occasionally rained within the dome like stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Is the best thing Amazon has ever done is they
Speaker 2: did the Philip K. Dick Man in a High Castle. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the show is silly, even the optics are brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I've appropriated the flag that they utilize for
Speaker 3: some of my own purposes because it's that good.
Speaker 2: Oh, the aesthetics were on point. But to give you
Speaker 2: just a here's here's a quote from that the book
Speaker 2: I mentioned Hitler's. Hitler's engineers Fritz Todd and Albert Spear,
Speaker 2: master builders of the third Reich Todt started developing detailed
Speaker 2: plans in July nineteen thirty three, keeping Hitler clostly apprested
Speaker 2: the developments and then inner quote. Although the entire road
Speaker 2: plan was Hitler's, and although he took the first step
Speaker 2: in the organization of the plan, he allowed the General
Speaker 2: Inspector and his staff that is tout to make all decisions.
Speaker 2: He considered a good policy to be in agreement with
Speaker 2: those in daily contact with the problems of highway construction.
Speaker 2: He did, however, offer suggestions when the problems were brought
Speaker 2: to him. The bridge simbolized. As approach to construction, he
Speaker 2: was concerned with beauty and appearance, but the primary goal
Speaker 2: is durability, as he has often stated, quote, we must build.
Speaker 2: What we build must stand long after we're no longer
Speaker 2: here unquote. So you know, do you build a society
Speaker 2: that is concerned with the future and with esthetics, and
Speaker 2: you know, Tucker Carlson has talked about this a little bit, like,
Speaker 2: but but the people who build ugly stuff in America
Speaker 2: cities hate you. They don't care about you. You know,
Speaker 2: if they build you know, people who build ugly stuff
Speaker 2: for you, they're telling you they don't care about you.
Speaker 2: They're telling you that your kids don't deserve to have
Speaker 2: beautiful things in their lives.
Speaker 3: It's also the yeah, and I the concept of the
Speaker 3: geography of nowhere, you know, and because I'm not because
Speaker 3: I because I don't drive, I'm always on foot. And thankfully,
Speaker 3: you know, Chicago is one of the few places you
Speaker 3: can live and not have a car because this public
Speaker 3: transportation everywhere. And one of the reasons I like it
Speaker 3: here is because there's a lot of dedicated nature preserves
Speaker 3: and things. But like most of this country, it's just
Speaker 3: built up ugly and like, you can't you can't be
Speaker 3: a pedestrian a lot of places because there's nowhere for
Speaker 3: you to walk. And you know, architecture and the design
Speaker 3: of living spaces, it physically dictates your movements. Yes, you know,
Speaker 3: because there's that, And yeah, if you live amissed totally
Speaker 3: ugly surroundings, you know, it's it beats you down psychologically,
Speaker 3: you know, Like I when I get out West and
Speaker 3: I'm not trashing people live in the west suburbs like
Speaker 3: west of Olk Park and stuff. You start when you
Speaker 3: get far enough away from like Cook County, it becomes
Speaker 3: like geography and nowhere it's like it's like endless flat
Speaker 3: highways and you've just passed like Buffalo wild Wings and
Speaker 3: like Target and.
Speaker 2: These like dis yeah old Camarts.
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean yeah, it's awful man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've talked about Jim Cuntzer's you know, geography nowhere
Speaker 2: a ton because it's it's really important actually that you know,
Speaker 2: Chicago's the the last city, like the furthest west city
Speaker 2: where you could actually live like a European style city.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 2: There's a really good book William ey cronin Nature's Metropolis
Speaker 2: about Chicago. You should check it out if you get
Speaker 2: a chance, about the development of Chicago. But if a
Speaker 2: society that cares about itself and cares about its future
Speaker 2: is going to build things that make that society stronger
Speaker 2: internally and a better place to be. And I think
Speaker 2: that you know, what have we built?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know, I've been a political adult basically since nine
Speaker 2: to eleven. What is the United States built in the
Speaker 2: last twenty five years that you can say that that's
Speaker 2: gonna that's gonna matter in fifty years. Yeah, it's I
Speaker 2: can't think of a thing. I can't I literally cannot
Speaker 2: think of a single thing in the United States.
Speaker 3: No, and even even these like dedicated monuments where you
Speaker 3: have you know, people who at least have some rudimentary
Speaker 3: idea of esthetical sophistication and you know, how things should
Speaker 3: be harmoniously devised, you know, to kind of comport with
Speaker 3: the natural features of the setting in which it's situated.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of the stuff just looks bad, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I the when when I was in d C.
Speaker 3: Last you know, I went by the World War Two memorial,
Speaker 3: which I thought was kind of tacky anyway, because the
Speaker 3: Evilshman Memorial is the World War two memorial if there
Speaker 3: is one, and there's nothing like apparently offensive about it.
Speaker 3: But it just looks bad, you know, it's something just
Speaker 3: like tacky about it.
Speaker 2: It's like it's just esthetically not well done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like totally unremarkable. Yeah, it's you know, no,
Speaker 3: the only this beautiful architecture here and that's kind of
Speaker 3: my reference point for America. I mean, stuff like Mount
Speaker 3: Rushmore is fascinating, you know, but yeah, you'd think that,
Speaker 3: especially because you think that, especially in the years immediately
Speaker 3: after the Cold War, that would have been like a priority,
Speaker 3: you know, not not in some crude triumphilist way, but
Speaker 3: you know, kind of America saying, you know, we defeated
Speaker 3: the communist enemy. You know, now sort of culture can
Speaker 3: reign of an elevated sword that where the standard bearer up.
Speaker 3: Like whether that's true or not is the point. You
Speaker 3: think there'd be that impetus and that sort of desire,
Speaker 3: even if it's exploited for reasons of political expediency in
Speaker 3: ways that are somewhat impere of motive. But there was
Speaker 3: none of that.
Speaker 2: Where was like the Great Symphony to celebrate like the
Speaker 2: end of the Cold War and like the triumph him
Speaker 2: like yeah, or a great a great opera or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: You know that, Yeah, there's nothing, there's there's only there
Speaker 3: was only like an a particularly good song by the Scorpions,
Speaker 3: and I mean obviously they were like from the Blo Republic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean winds It Change is a banger like
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna not gonna knock it, you know, in
Speaker 2: terms of what it is, it's great, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's no and you know, Hitler, it was a pretty
Speaker 2: talented draftsman himself, but yeah, he was great the built environment.
Speaker 2: Like if if if you build a beautiful built environment,
Speaker 2: it's it's no, it's no coincidence that like Mozart and
Speaker 2: the Strauss family and like how many great composers like
Speaker 2: spent all their their great time in Vienna.
Speaker 3: No, and yeah, that's why, and that's why people gravitate
Speaker 3: towards Prague these days, because Prague partakes that same sort
Speaker 3: of Habsburg Baroque beauty. Like I'm always telling people one
Speaker 3: of my destinations if I happened upon a time machine,
Speaker 3: would be Habsburg Vienna, because i mean I'm very very Protestant,
Speaker 3: you know, like, uh, but uh, I find myself taken
Speaker 3: in by that kind of Baroque grandiosity, you know, as
Speaker 3: much as uh, as much as a Roman Catholic person
Speaker 3: would be man like, it's just incredible, right But yeah.
Speaker 2: But but but the reason the reason Vienna pretty so
Speaker 2: many including you know all right Chancellor, right, like all
Speaker 2: of these people were inspired by the beauty that was
Speaker 2: everywhere around them in Vienna.
Speaker 3: Ye Schumpeter, Joseph Schumpeter made that point too, and I
Speaker 3: mean he was you know, uh, you don't associate economists
Speaker 3: with the same sort of creative aesthetical endeavors, but you
Speaker 3: know it, it's but it's every everybody who came out
Speaker 3: of that mil LOEU was, you know, shaped by it
Speaker 3: in terms of their you know, habits and the conventions
Speaker 3: they gravitated to and you know, the things that you're
Speaker 3: inspiration from, sure, you know. And yeah, that's that's what
Speaker 3: great civilizations are made of, is those sorts of those
Speaker 3: sorts of you know, aspects.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I like, in preparation for this
Speaker 2: episode and just in general, right, you know, I've tried
Speaker 2: to find everything I can in English about this pro
Speaker 2: this movement of construction and infrastructure and right, and I
Speaker 2: can't find anything in English that doesn't just attack, right,
Speaker 2: attack the third Like there's nothing out there. I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe you know, Thomas maybe's got like a book from
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six or something that that might happen if
Speaker 2: you do like DM me later, But well, yeah.
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't take this up seriously. It's the
Speaker 3: same as there'll be something like middling college professor from
Speaker 3: some fourth rae university like talking about how Hitler was
Speaker 3: a loser. It's the same thing. It's like, it's like, okay, bro,
Speaker 3: Like I the guy conquered the Europe from France to
Speaker 3: the Gates of Moscow, defeated the British army, defeated the
Speaker 3: French army, conquered Poland, conquered Czechoslovakia, conquered the low countries,
Speaker 3: stop the American army dead in its tracks. But he's
Speaker 3: like a loser compared He's a quot unquote loser compared
Speaker 3: to some middling college professor. Okay, Like you can't, you can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's so preposterous that it's it's it's like
Speaker 3: some hobo maybe a curtain a rod declaring he's the
Speaker 3: emperor of the universe, expecting to take it seriously, or
Speaker 3: something like.
Speaker 2: Beneath me well and and and Joseph Stalin right, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't think people, I mean, I've talked about this
Speaker 2: enough so that people would know or certainly this audience
Speaker 2: as well educated have to know this. But the Iranians
Speaker 2: are not pro American because American trucks and American bullets
Speaker 2: were given to British and Soviet soldiers in nineteen forty
Speaker 2: one to invade their country from four different places. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: so that they could secure the Persian supplier out which
Speaker 2: supplied forty five divisions worth of troops to the Soviet Union.
Speaker 2: The United States sent ten thousand aircraft from like Montana
Speaker 2: up through Canada, through Alaska all the way across Siberia.
Speaker 2: We're talking like ten We're talking like a third of
Speaker 2: the way around the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane.
Speaker 2: And in addition to like, you know, constant convoys over
Speaker 2: the North Atlantic to like the White Sea and the
Speaker 2: worst ocean in the world, and we just lost tons
Speaker 2: of shipping and you know that, right, And if it
Speaker 2: hadn't been for that kind of hero look effort, you know,
Speaker 2: the Serbiance would have lost a war. They say themselves
Speaker 2: that that that's why they would have lost the war.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's why, you know, I mean, I it, uh,
Speaker 3: I'm supposed to listen to some I'm supposed to listen
Speaker 3: to some fourth rate self style propagandists tell me that
Speaker 3: I'm a bad person because I won't accept it was
Speaker 3: an absolute moral imperative to exterminate Western civilization and alliance
Speaker 3: with the Communists. You know, I mean, like I I
Speaker 3: I these people are beneath.
Speaker 2: Me, Thomas. You don't support supporting the Communists? You hate freedom?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I if I don't go if I
Speaker 3: don't hate Moslims for no reason, if I don't hate
Speaker 3: my fellow Christians in Palestine, yeah, and go on pretending
Speaker 3: that I'm Jewish, I'm a bad person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like I was a.
Speaker 3: I was always on the impression people acted that way,
Speaker 3: we're mentally ill. But I apparently like no, they're they're
Speaker 3: they're they're just really really bursting with with moral integrity.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm like a, I'm just like a bad person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's that's absolutely true, right. And I mean
Speaker 2: we can talk about.
Speaker 3: I don't go to parades either, were guys like pee
Speaker 3: on each other and stuff like apparently I'm supposed to
Speaker 3: do in June, you know, like that that, you know,
Speaker 3: and I do things like honoring like, you know, the
Speaker 3: heroes of my own race instead of like going to
Speaker 3: like Pea parades.
Speaker 2: How dare you, Thomas? How dare you? You know? The
Speaker 2: the I suppose we can talk about this just a
Speaker 2: little bit. You know, a year later, right, the Trump
Speaker 2: skeptical anti Jewish people have been completely vindicated, you know,
Speaker 2: like that there's I only want to bring this up
Speaker 2: because the the only salient and this is something I
Speaker 2: got from Utah, so I'm gonna just steal it, right,
Speaker 2: The only salient political conflict in the world today is
Speaker 2: Zionis versus everybody else. Like, those are the those are
Speaker 2: your options. You're either on team Zionist, you're on team
Speaker 2: like Civilization. And it's the same conflict in nineteen forty one.
Speaker 2: It's the same conflict today, Like you're on team Zionist
Speaker 2: or you're on team Civilization. Those are your those are
Speaker 2: your teams, you know, like Charles and I always used
Speaker 2: to tell each other like it's always January nineteen thirty
Speaker 2: six in Spain, like you got two teams, You got teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The fan surprising about Trump. I mean I never
Speaker 3: had any illusions about Trump or I thought he was
Speaker 3: a good guy. The way in which he crashed out
Speaker 3: kind of surprised me because it was really really stupid.
Speaker 3: And he continues to kind of cook himself in the
Speaker 3: court of public opinion when he doesn't have to. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's become I think he's slipping mentally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd think a Narsiss would have more self respect.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Well he also Trump's a master of manipulating the psychological environment.
Speaker 3: I mean that's really that that that that's really how
Speaker 3: he's gotten to where he is. And it's like he
Speaker 3: totally took leave of you know, his his his Machiavelian
Speaker 3: sensibilities as well as his instincts for how to proceed
Speaker 3: an index with the media cycle. It's he's been doing
Speaker 3: incredibly dumb things. And I mean, not to derail us.
Speaker 3: I got to raise up in a minute too, start
Speaker 3: to be abrupt, I got like ten minutes. But the
Speaker 3: you know, the way you handle this Epstein matter is
Speaker 3: just incredibly stupid. You know, it's not like he got
Speaker 3: it's not like he got merked because he got put
Speaker 3: on the spot and you know, didn't really see a
Speaker 3: way out. So you know, he kind of he kind
Speaker 3: of issued some he kind of made a declaration he
Speaker 3: couldn't deliver on to get you know, a hostile interrogative
Speaker 3: media off his back. And then he came back to
Speaker 3: bite and was like nothing like that just he's just
Speaker 3: doing dumb shit it, you know, and the way he's responded,
Speaker 3: you know, he could have he could have basically playcated
Speaker 3: his masters. Well at the same time, put on airs
Speaker 3: like he was, you know, demanding that you know, us sovereign,
Speaker 3: he be respective visa the Israel, and he did the opposite.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, what the hell's wrong with you?
Speaker 3: Like you, especially considering the current environment conceptually and the
Speaker 3: way people feel about Israel, that that was about the
Speaker 3: dumbest possible thing you could do. But that's the subject
Speaker 3: for another day. Forgive me, and yeah, forgive me for
Speaker 3: be an abrupt I I we can. We can reconvene
Speaker 3: and continue this subject matter if you guys want to.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys are going to
Speaker 3: continue with it, but I'll rejoin you guys at a
Speaker 3: later date if you want to continue.
Speaker 2: This anytime you want to talk about whatever you want
Speaker 2: to talk about, Thomas, I'm always happy to to you know,
Speaker 2: if you.
Speaker 3: Go now, you should. I'm doing this series now with
Speaker 3: the world at war guys, Nick and Adam, which is great.
Speaker 3: I'm very blessed they wanted to include me. But I
Speaker 3: you know, I also we put like Pete and I
Speaker 3: with a couple other guys. You know, we we do
Speaker 3: the inquisition had Oh you should you should? Yeah, you should,
Speaker 3: you should. You should dip in there sometime, man, anytime.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm a big fan of Astrals and Nick
Speaker 2: and I've been an old friends of mine for years,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's a great dude. Okay, Yeah, you're
Speaker 3: you're aware of it. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, I'll
Speaker 3: be in touch and I'm always at long last. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna start, uh, I'm gonna start live streaming on the regular.
Speaker 3: And if it would help, if you'd be willing to
Speaker 3: collab with me on that sometimes too.
Speaker 2: But you call it, you call and I'll jump on man, Like.
Speaker 3: Get my phone number from Pete, man, and like shoot
Speaker 3: me at text, okay in the next couple of days,
Speaker 3: and just like identify yourself when you do, and yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll talk about it over text if that's cool.
Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, let's uh, let's close, let's close this
Speaker 2: one down. Then. Yeah, that sounds all right. So Thomas
Speaker 2: get plugs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me. I run a charity for
Speaker 3: autistic l g b t Q children that now I
Speaker 3: don't do that.
Speaker 2: Stream.
Speaker 3: You can find me at Thomas seven seven seven dot com.
Speaker 3: It's number seven h on me s seven seven seven
Speaker 3: dot com. And uh, my sub stack is where I
Speaker 3: direct people too as well, because that's what my podcast
Speaker 3: is a lot of my long form writing. And we
Speaker 3: got a very active chat there. It's real Thomas seven
Speaker 3: seven So then that's substack dot com. And as I
Speaker 3: kind of restructure my content, I know I'm active on
Speaker 3: those two platforms every day. So go there and you
Speaker 3: shall find thee.
Speaker 2: Well, I have my own show fundamental principle, it's also
Speaker 2: on substack.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: I gotta give a strong recommend to following Thomas's telegram
Speaker 2: and is sub stack. I followed both of them, and
Speaker 2: of course everything everything Pete can on is uh. You know,
Speaker 2: give give Pete money, listen to his shows, do his
Speaker 2: live streams, you know, get your out through o GC,
Speaker 2: support the people to support you. You know that you're giving,
Speaker 2: You're given. You know what amounts to do three hundred
Speaker 2: oro hundred level college lectures by Thomas and Pete or
Speaker 2: by you know doctor Johnson and Pete or you know Pete.
Speaker 2: Pete enabled so much stuff to good things to happen,
Speaker 2: and he works really hard behind the scenes that you
Speaker 2: don't see, and he helps people all the time. So
Speaker 2: you know, the stuff that Pete does in front of
Speaker 2: the camera's only a portion of the of the hardware
Speaker 2: he puts in. And on top of all that, he's
Speaker 2: like a really great friend. So please, you know, support
Speaker 2: the people that don't hate you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, have a good evening. Thank you.