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well yeah it's off ladder.

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Speaker 2: But hey, what's going to do? How much? Man? How

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are you doing? Doing good? Doing good? Yeah? I just

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wanted to do well.

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Speaker 1: So we're literally recording about an hour after Trump and

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JD events and Zelenski had a blow up in the

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in the Oval office. And so just get people a

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time frame for when we're recording this. And you know,

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we have other stuff we can talk about, but you

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want to you've seen the video, you want to say

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anything about what you saw?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think, I mean, it was a little bit clownish,

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but but the whole situation is clownish, right. This is

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something that any serious person could have told you, you know,

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two years ago, like this was, uh, this guy was

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a puppet. It was literally an actor, a comedian who

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got put in the presidency because people were watching too

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much television inn stupid by you know, this this thieving

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oligarch who basically wanted a front man, and he effectively

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start at the war like you killed ten thousand people

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in Novorossia by you know, like shoting them with moors

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and you expected, you know, Vladimir putin for his own sake.

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He can't just let that slide because the people in

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his country won't stand for it. You know this because

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you've seen the example in Georgia. You know, when sex

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Villi did basically the same thing, tried to join NATO.

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John McCain showed up straight a bunch of crap up.

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like Lindsey Graham talking about how well, this is the

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best money we've ever spent, because like we just get

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to kill Russians and it's it's none of our troops

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and it's just our I mean, it's cheap money. You know,

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it's the most wonderful thing in the world. Dead Slavs.

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It's just my Jewish handlers just love it when Eastern

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Europeans kill each other. It's the best thing in the

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world to them, because they're still salty about a program

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that happened in sixteen forty eight. It's the most beautiful

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thing in the world. I mean, that's basically what this

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guy's doing. And it's not like a clown show and

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laughable and disgusting. This entire thing has been a disgusting mess.

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You know, maybe because I've followed, you know, doctor Matthew

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Rafiel Johnson for years. I knew all this stuff. But

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everybody in Washington should know this stuff. You should, you know,

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if you're on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, you should

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at least know why people don't like Russia. Why are

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all these gentile, pale of salmon Jews, like, why do

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they hate Russia so much? Well? Why do they spit

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when they hear the name babong Kimo Netsky? And then

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you know, these are these are the people that I

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have been running everything for what seventy years? You know,

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the occupied government you always correctly talk about. Uh, is

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anyone surprise it that Zelensky's this entitled little worm. I mean,

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that's that's he's what he is. Why would you expect

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anything different?

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parts of this is that, you know, if you listen,

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if people listen to the three episodes Thomas and I

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I mean, you understand that this is basically the same war,

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and that you know, you've already mentioned that this is

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really about ethnic grievances from centuries ago. Trump treating Zelensky

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like this, and if they just cut him off, he's

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basically saying, we're not going to help you fight your

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wars anymore. So you know, you can make Trump out

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to be a Zionist. Scott Horton calls him a Lakudnik,

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but I mean he just basically spanked the an Apparatrick

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for International Jewelry on you know, basically the world stage.

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Speaker 2: Live on national television, international television.

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Speaker 1: I've always said this about Trump. I don't think Trump's

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a Zionist because I don't think he knows what his

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zionist is. And I think if you like gave him

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a dictionary definition of Zionism, he'd be like, I don't know,

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that doesn't make any sense to me. He just seems

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who likes Jews and likes Israel, and you know, his

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family married Jews, and he's been dealing with Jews his

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whole life in New York, and I think he likes

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some Jews, and I think he just doesn't like this

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at this international bullshit that he knows that his legacy,

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if he if he ties it to his legacy, you know,

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it's going to be it's going to taint it.

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give it a listen, right, that the conflict in Israel

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and the conflict or the conflict in Gaza in Israel

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and the conflict in Ukraine are basically the same thing.

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stabilize enemies and gain territory. And once you understand that

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that effectively, you know, Vladimir Putin's a lot of things.

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promoted colonel in East Germany in nineteen eighty seven, like

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it just doesn't happen, you know, But he's but he's

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a serious guy, and Russians are chess players, right, and

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he knows the world system just as much as anybody.

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system that was you know, freezing him, him and his

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people out of you know, the national economy and making

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them poor and trying to you know, undermine him at home,

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like like okay, well I cannot attack on this part

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of the board, but I can attack on this part

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of the board, and so he supported the Syrians, and that,

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and so they counterattacked in Ukraine. Right, because the central

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central fact of Russian life is that the Volga River

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that flows through Moscow and is basically the heartland river

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of the Russian of European Russia, the way, like the

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Mississippi is to the United States. That river empties into

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the Caspian, which is a landlocked lake that can't give

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a navy. That's why one of the first Russian capitals

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was snofgarad In on the Baltic. Right, But the Baltic

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is lousy because it's frozen part of the year, and

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it's shallow, and it doesn't and you have to get

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through the straits of in Denmark, I forget what they're called.

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each other powers Sweden or Denmark or Norway or the

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the North Sea and keep you from or of course

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you could go all the way to the Arctic Ocean.

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stable and year round, where they could conduct the international

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trade and have a navy. And for them, that means

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like they can't give up this festival in Carimea. They

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southern Russian cities that they have to have those It's

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economy is based off of exporting energy and agricultural products

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mostly to places like India and Africa and elsewhere. Right,

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they don't have the ability to do that. They're they're

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dead and dead in the water. They're going to starve

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to death in the in the dark and in the cold.

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mean they put the shoe on the other foot. If

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the Mexican said, Hey, we're going to like work with

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the Cubans and uh, we're gonna take Puerto Rico from you,

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and we're going to prevent you from exiting the Gulf

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of America, like New Orleans is no longer like a

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you won't be able to export grain down the Mississippi

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through New Orleans and out to wherever, or energy or

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whatever whatever else. Your LNG tankers won't make it from

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New Orleans to Rotterdam anymore. There'd be war. There'd be

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war the drop of a hat. You can't do that

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to the United States, just like there was war when

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the United States basically prevented the Japanese from importing oil

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and food, Like, what are they going to do in

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nineteen forty one? They have to And pretending that you know,

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Zelensky is anything other than a puppet of the regime

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is absurd. This is not complicated. I mean it is

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sort of complicated in a way, but like if you

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threaten people's lives, they react simple ass well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just make it simple, yeah, I like, I

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like to make things simple, just for my brain to

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start with before I can jump off somewhere. I mean literally,

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if you if you come into the administration, if you

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start your administration realizing with a whole bunch of people

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around you, who are like, if we don't start taking

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care of ourselves and if we don't don't look after

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our own interests, and even if those interests do become

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like Monroe Doctrine type interests where you know, Central America,

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especially maybe even Greenland. You have to trim the fat,

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you have to cut the ties. And you know, I

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so many of the you know, formerly hostile of a

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certain formerly hostile members of a certain tribe basically changing

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their tune is because they feel like they have to

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because everything's falling apart and what they have is falling apart.

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two hundred years together. You see this over and over again.

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tune and the message will be very clear about how,

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oh we're in it with you guys, one hundred percent

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and everything. So this is a time when you have

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to not only take advantage of it, but you have

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to do everything you can, and especially in a time

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when information can travel halfway around the world in a

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half a second. This has to be a time to

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not only take advantage of them doing this, but do

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everything you can to push the narrative that they were

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responsible for this in the you know, they were responsible

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well, trumpet Trumpet ged advance, right, Solinski ged advance,

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you know, arguing and then Trump saying, this is gonna

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be hard to do business, like, we're thirty seven trillion

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dollars in debt. Our military is not capable of going

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up against the Chinese or the Russians and winning. The

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United States Navy is you know, twelve carrier groups that

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are voting targets that can't actually attack. You know, those

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New York peer adversaries, they just get shot down. They're

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billions of dollars that are just a hole in the water. So,

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and whose fault is that we ended up here? Of

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and you're listening to me, you know whose fault it is.

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Milton Friedman, Right, The system that works is the system

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that doesn't, you know, empower good people. It forces bad

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people to do the right thing even though they don't

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want to. So when Marco Ruby has changed his tune,

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it's because he has to. There's there's no rescuing the

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present order, like we just can't afford it anymore, you know,

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like you can't have quote unquote unmanned planes where you know,

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looks like the aviators were welded on his face, Like

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those are your choices. You have to empower the people

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actually cable of running the system and right, you know,

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for the last fifty years at least, it's just been like,

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let's just take from these people and add more and

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more burdens on them and destroy them with drugs, with opiates,

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with useless wars, with you know, super high taxes whatever.

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That that's the well, we just can't carry it anymore.

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burden to the tune of how many billions of dollars

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fifty billion. Do you know what I could do with

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a tenth of that? You know, I could, I could

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Speaker 1: Those days are over and really the you know, going

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forward now what needs to be done? And you know,

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where everyone knows that, you know, everyone knows what Jeffrey

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the best way to get the truths of the public.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, well, Dave, here's what happened, and you

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know it, and I know it, and everybody knows it.

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Your cousins used my tax money to coerce and abuse

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kids that looked like my kids, like my daughters, into

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blackmailing politicians that are supposed to be working for me,

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into supporting a war that got kids that looked like

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my kids killed in Iraq for no damn reason, and

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then when they came home messed up. Your cousins sold

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them drugs that killed them or ruined their lives. And

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they've been doing it and running everything into the ground

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for the last at least half a century, more likely

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eighty years, but with the knife even number it at

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nineteen fifty, say seventy five years this year. Okay, So Dave,

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when your family does this sort of thing, and to

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his credit, he talks about it until you do that,

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Until you talk about that the fact that we're occupied,

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you're not dealing with reality. And what Zelensky was doing

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was sitting in the White House saying, well, yeah, I

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mean I have a natural right to occupy you, and

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Donald Trump saying like, we don't have the money anymore

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to afford to keep paying you guys. And he lost

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his mind. He lost his mind in public. It's crazy

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that anyone should conduct themselves like that in public.

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Speaker 1: Well, we've been talking about an occupied government, and are

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are for bearers? You know, used to use the term

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zog back in the seventies and eighties, and get arrested

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and get their get their homes, not their compounds, which

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is a propaganda word rated and their families, you know,

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killed like Randy Weaver who went and hid in the

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woods because well people have seen him the shirt he

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was wearing. This just has to end. And if you

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are to believe that these documents will come out, most people,

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I think have a tendency to believe that the reason

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they're not coming out is because, oh, there are people

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who don't want to be exposed as pedophiles and things that. No,

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there are people who don't want to be exposed as

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traders to the country because the penalty for being a

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trader is being treated like who who are the last

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people who were who were killed for being executed for

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being traders in this country? Were they the Rosenbergs.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the way we celebrate guenteenth. It's do Snithel

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Rosenberg Day. That's why I celebrate Juneine anyway. But there's

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huge numbers of people, basically everyone in Congress but Thomas

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Massey and maybe a couple others. Right, who have you

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dug into it? The traders virtually the entire Democratic Party,

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most of the Republican Party, they're traders. The USA d thing.

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You know, Mike Ben's for all that he's done good

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work and talked about like he's he's steam Control. He's

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trying to get people to be like, well it's bad,

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but you know, like no, no, no, no, it's just all bad.

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It is.

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Speaker 1: He always is, he always has been meme, you know,

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because even when he was Frame Game, he was trying

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to direct you away from certain things.

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Speaker 2: Right yeah, well yeah, because because he's he's a member

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of the tribe, and he was like, well, yeah, you

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might have a point, but you know, Paul Gottfried were

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ron Odon's like well, okay, so Paul gotfreiding, not on

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run ons get to be in the last car out,

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Like I don't know, like not my problem that this is.

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You know, we were on the verge of nuclear war

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because Victoria Eland was salty about a program from three

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hundred and seventy five years ago, Like that's insane, that's

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like that's like me being mad about a nuclear like

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like pushing us the edge of a nuclear or because

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like all over Cromwell like oppressed the Irish, Like yeah,

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I'm not happy about it. Yeah I don't like Cromwell. Yeah,

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I don't think that he's a good guy. But nuclear war.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I think people are people think

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you're being hyperboblic with that. I don't. I don't think

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most people realize just exactly how far and how hard

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Putin was being pushed in the last in the last

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year to react in a way that would They're trying

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to basically make him on the world some of them

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are trying to make him on the world stage, you know,

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look like, look like a maniac, because all they can

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do is say he's a maniac. Oh, he invaded another country. Great,

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that's been happening. The whole, the whole of our existence

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is one country and in another country, or one people's

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retribe invading another. There's nothing new about that. But there

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are some who wanted to make them now, and there

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were some. There are some who want us all to die.

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I mean they you know. There's a thread on Twitter

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that I shared yesterday and it shows it has in

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it a paper, a submitted paper, research paper by someone

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who used to work at the NIH and had an

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office right across from doctor Fauci, who said that COVID

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and the COVID vaccine were a masade plot to kill

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a billion people. This was a legitimate, like medical paper, right.

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You know, one of the reasons RFK was opposed is

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he brought up the fact that that, you know, the

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COVID nineteen virus attacked whites and more than others ethnic

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groups and didn't attack what Asians and Asconaji Jews, Asca

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Jews and Asians.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, so we're dealing with a bioweapon that was

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there was again using my money, Anthony Fauci and members

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of the tribe went to a racially hostile communist shithole.

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Does it help us build a bioweapon to destroy our

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own country in case they get mad at us for

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destroying their country?

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Speaker 1: And notice, notice I'll just interrupt you for a second

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and I'll let you keep going Sephardic Jews, miss Racki Jews,

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all the other kinds of No, these are the galicians,

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these are the pale These are the palest settlement cheese

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who are responsible for this. They're they're targeting everyone else, Yes,

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except the people who accept the people who help them

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build it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And not only did they do that, but but

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you know, the entire COVID operation was just just a

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bust out operation from goodfellows all you need to know

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about politics is you know, watch enough mob movies and

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understand that these people are just the difference between the

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Columbos of the Genovese's and the Bushes and the Clintons

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is who who cuts their suits. They're not any better

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or you know, different people. They run rackets, they kill people.

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It's what they people do. Now, you know, Justin Stam

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just wrote a really good book. But mafia power, like,

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that's just how power works, not trying to trying to

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sugarcoat or anything like. That's just this is just how

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the game is played. But okay, if the difference between

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the Bushes and the Columbos is who cuts their suits,

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then when they use these tactics, you shouldn't be surprised.

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So the COVID operation, it was just the bust out

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seen from Goodfellas was it was, you know, because all

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of these mom and pop restaurants where you know, they've

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got a restaurant, it's been in a family thirty years.

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They do a pizza place or maybe a diner or something. Right,

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Dad runs grill, mom mom runs in front of the house.

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Kids act as waiters or waitresses or busters or whatever,

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and then they hire a few folks and then they've

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got a family restaurant that you know, a dozen million

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dollars a year in revenue, and the building is worth

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two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and you know, after

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expenses that the family makes a nice modest you know,

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one hundred and ten grand or whatever. Well that family

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has you know, the land and the building and the

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business worth millions of dollars in assets. And that person

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might not have you know, one hundred million dollars to

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where they can you know, go up against uh, you know,

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the Walton family. But if a hundred of them get together,

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they can they can go up against the Walton family

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and they might actually be able to get something that

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they want because they have the capital to be actually,

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you know, Thomas Jefferson not my favorite philosopher after I

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learned how the world actually works. But you know, property owners, yellman,

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property owners, whether the small restaurant people or small business people,

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guys own a machine shop or something. If they have

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that money, they can stand up for them selves. And

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it doesn't matter if it's it's in Iraq or in Ohio.

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Coherent societies full of people who can stand up for

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themselves is the thing that the regime does not want.

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That's why Springfield, Ohio got fluttered with all those Haitian

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refugees because they don't want you to be able to

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be in Springfield and look around Ohio and go, man,

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we're getting screwed and we should do something about it.

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They don't want you to be able to resist.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they've created I I interviewed a gentleman that Jay

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Burden interviewed recently introduced me to named John Moody. And

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he's a guy who he puts on events with Joel Salladson.

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Oh yeah, I think a lot. Yeah, it was a

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great John Moody. Oh thanks, Yeah, he's you already listen

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to the one I put up? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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I mean he's a Kentucky guy, six kids, living on

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twenty five acres, producing his own food. And you know,

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one of the one of the takeaways, one of the

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things you can take away from that episode is yeah

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that you know was this malicious? Was it was it?

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You know, stupidity? Well, whatever it was. I mean, it

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weakens people. It takes our strength away. It also takes

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away our our ability to rationalize. I mean, people can

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say whatever they want about your lower testosterone, you know,

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weakening men and also making them more leftists, but it

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also damages you know, lower testosterone is shown to be

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something that affects cognitive ability. So if you're taking away

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people's not only physical strength, but they're cognitive ability. You know,

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the argument can be made that a certain tribe doesn't

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the majority don't exhibit physical strength, but they still their

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cognitive ability to rationalize and scheme and do things is

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still there. Well, I mean they're that's even trying to

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be taken away from them, that's trying to be taken

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away from us.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, because they don't want you and I to

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be able to argue with them. But why do you

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think you got de monetized. It wasn't because you were wrong,

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It's because they don't want to They don't want to

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have to deal with this this uh obnoxious Spaniard Like

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Spaniards defeated his ones. We don't want these people to

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be a problem again. Take us money, take his wallet,

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take his coat, kick him out. That's what they did.

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You know, Thomas should be a professor at the University

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of Chicago or the Ivy League or Oxbridge or like

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a major like law, academic something, and to his great credit,

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he's built a life for himself outside of that after

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the system took all that stuff away from him. But

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if it was just pure ability, why isn't this guy,

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you know, teaching at Harvard. Why isn't he teaching it

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Yale or Princeton or University of Chicago or Stanford. Why not? Well,

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because he's because he's against the system, and the system

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was like, well, we don't want to give you a shot.

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You'll make us look like fools. He did it anyway,

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but that's you know, they don't want us to be

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able to organize because they know they've got a losing hand.

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You know, like, hey, do you want to be like

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weak and dumb and dependent and not having an industry

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in your country and not be able to get married

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and not have any kids and be gay. That's not

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a real Like, that's like no one's gonna no one's

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gonna sign up for that. I guess.

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Speaker 1: More than what you would want, more than seeing the

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government fixed, and you know, seeing the deep state or

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the administrative state dismantled is And I'm not this isn't

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coming from a populous kind of standpoint is you want

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to see people just making the decision that Okay, I

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can't rely upon these people, and I can't rely upon

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the system that's been built. I need to take care

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of myself. I need to take care of me and

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my family. And I think that there there are definitely

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you've seen since Trump started, you know, in twenty fifteen,

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with his rhetoric. You know, if nothing else, Trump's just

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a wrecking ball, and I think he's managed to help

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a lot of people have a reset in their own mind,

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and you see more people being like, Okay, I'm going

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to have to do this on my own. We're going

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to have to do this for ourselves. This is not

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something that we can rely upon. And you know, to

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those people, I know there was a lot made of oh,

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you know Trump, if you Trump is just he's going

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to be a pressure release valve. If he's a pressure

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release valve for people, those people are lost, and those

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people they're just sheep and they need to be led.

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So you need to step in and you need to

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tell them how they need to live. I mean, after

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twenty twenty, anybody who thinks that the over only majority

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of people should be left to their own devices. I mean,

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00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:07,400
you're you're not even in the game anymore. These people

473
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,519
need to be told how to live. And hopefully more

474
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,639
people when they're seeing what's happening and things like, you know,

475
00:34:14,679 --> 00:34:17,320
realizing oh the Epstein thing, No one's ever going to

476
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:18,599
pay for what Epstein did?

477
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 2: You know?

478
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:22,199
Speaker 1: It's like, well, then you can't rely on the government.

479
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,599
You have to start doing things for yourself. And we

480
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:28,119
can do things for ourselves if we make that decision

481
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,320
instead of waiting around or fucking making excuses like the

482
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,519
Jews control everything, so I can't do anything with my life. Well,

483
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,559
there's a lot of people. There's a lot of people

484
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,400
who know what we know who are very successful. Why

485
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,719
are they very successful because they fucking try and don't

486
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:44,559
make excuses.

487
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 2: Right. Well, it's there's a couple of things that you

488
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,400
mentioned there that I think are worth talking about. First

489
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:59,519
of all, right, Ken, organized guys can control ten million people,

490
00:35:01,039 --> 00:35:05,039
right and in the vast majority of people don't want

491
00:35:05,039 --> 00:35:09,480
to be free. It's too much work that if you

492
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:14,280
still believe in like being free for the majority of

493
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,880
people like, no, that's not what they want. They want

494
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,719
their beer cold and their football on, that's what they want.

495
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,719
Which is fine, Like you can want that. Me personally,

496
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:35,119
I want to be free, so I do what I do, and.

497
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,079
Speaker 3: I, you know, to.

498
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: Incur all these risks because I think it's worth doing

499
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:46,840
the truth. Now, with those two things in mind, the

500
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,440
only people who can actually deliver something where those people

501
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,400
who just want to just want to grill, want to

502
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,039
watch football, want the beer to be cold. The only

503
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,840
way that those people can live decent lives is of

504
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:05,239
someone who cares about them is in charge. Right, people

505
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,920
who would flood their communities with opiates don't care if

506
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,199
those people like that, that's not good for those people.

507
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Destroying marriage is bad for those people. Making it so

508
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,599
they can't afford a house is bad for those people. Okay, well,

509
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:26,800
how do we get things in such a way that

510
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,880
we can be in charge? We can can have some

511
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,760
agency in our lives, and we can they start to

512
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,360
change stakes. Well, I mean it starts with you know,

513
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,920
the first rule of you know, getting in a group

514
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,559
of conflict. This have some pros reach out to the

515
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,599
old glory club in an active club or so whoever

516
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,159
it is that you feel most compelled to reach out

517
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:55,719
to reach out to them. Because the long wolf dies

518
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:03,480
alone and if you know what we know, things aren't

519
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:08,880
gonna get better. Trump is trying to bring this in

520
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:13,079
for a control like landing gear is stuck and it's

521
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,320
moving too fast, and Trump is trying to bring it

522
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,440
in for a controlled landing. That's gonna hurt and gonna

523
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,000
break a bunch of stuff, but it might mostly be

524
00:37:23,039 --> 00:37:33,599
intact and not kill everybody. Who is he going after? Usaid? Well,

525
00:37:33,639 --> 00:37:38,400
everything that they did was bad and evil, you know,

526
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:46,400
the entire useless you know, Shapequa industrial complex. Well, that's

527
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,519
just a money laundering operation for our enemies. Why why

528
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,960
is it acceptable that there are tens of trillions of

529
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,480
dollars of real estate that are just wasting in all

530
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,360
of our major cities where decent people could live and

531
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:10,039
work and have families. But why is that okay? Why

532
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:13,639
is that acceptable? Well?

533
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you know the answers to that.

534
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: Why, Yeah, you and I know most of people listening know,

535
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,239
And the answer is, of course, that we live in

536
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,679
an occupied government. And the first step to on occupying

537
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,039
that government is having enough people with some agency and

538
00:38:34,119 --> 00:38:38,719
some ability to do things in their lives recognize that

539
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:44,199
occupation and start to organize against it. You know, you've

540
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:49,960
done great work talking about elite theory. Well, you know,

541
00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:53,239
the first step to any political fight is having a

542
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:54,320
lead on your side.

543
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if the Old Glory Club was about populism,

544
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,079
we would just let anybody in. That's not what it's about.

545
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:08,800
And the sooner people figure that out, the better. I

546
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:16,400
was listening to Steve Bannon on with Tim Dillon this morning.

547
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,880
I made it about twenty minutes. He's just all populism,

548
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,320
all populism. Oh, the people, this, people that, and we

549
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,599
had to do this that, you know, you know the people.

550
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: This is a guy.

551
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: Who acts like people will make the right decision if

552
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,760
you just give them the proper circumstances. That's where has

553
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,559
that ever been shown? I mean, it's been proven wrong

554
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,960
in this country because you they had the chance to

555
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,920
be like, No, in eighteen eighty they had a chance. No,

556
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,079
we're not going to take We're not going to bring

557
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,880
in this group of people who has been causing problems

558
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,880
throughout Eastern Europe for centuries. Oh no, we'll just let

559
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,480
him in. Well yeah, we'll let him in. Yeah sure,

560
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:02,320
I mean so much of a problem that German Jews

561
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,519
who had been here for you know, eighty years prior,

562
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,119
wouldn't even let him into their golf clubs. They were like,

563
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,079
we think these people are these people are a problem.

564
00:40:10,199 --> 00:40:13,119
But oh, okay, sure, yeah, well just all the pale,

565
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,800
all the pale, all the galicians bring them in, Yeah.

566
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:21,639
Speaker 2: All the pollocks. Well and I and here's the thing

567
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:32,239
about Steve Bannon is he's lying and he knows, like

568
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,559
you know, he's lying. He knows that you know, he's lying,

569
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:38,440
and he's doing it anyway, because this dude's ready viola,

570
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:44,079
he's he's he's read it. Went back in the first administration,

571
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:46,559
they were always like, oh, Steve Bannon reads this dangerous

572
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:51,039
stuff like Carl Schmiden, Like he knows, he's you know,

573
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,400
he's he's a former spook. There's no such thing as,

574
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,559
of course, as a former spook, but you know, like

575
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:07,000
he knows. So why do you continue to talk about populism, Steve?

576
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:13,599
Who's pulling your strings such that you think you have

577
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:17,360
to justify yourself with like populism of you know, the

578
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:23,159
multi racial working class. Well, maybe I don't want to

579
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:26,639
be solidaristic with people who aren't my people and don't

580
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:30,119
share my interests and consistently vote against those interests whenever

581
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,239
they're given the chance and constantly take from me and

582
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,320
their entire middle class is a fabrication of federal government spending,

583
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,519
and they commit all the violent crime in our country.

584
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,000
Maybe I don't want to be force to be solaristic

585
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,760
with those people. And you know this. I know you

586
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,519
know this because you've worked for Bridebart when they touch

587
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:55,679
it sort of, and in order to know where the

588
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:59,800
line is and go right up to it, you have

589
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,119
to know what's on the other side of the line.

590
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,119
Otherwise you would have blundered. You'd have blundered across it

591
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:13,239
ages ago. So if you're constantly cap dancing on that line,

592
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,880
you have to know what's on the other side to

593
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:21,320
not cross it. So why are you lying Steve well

594
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:27,519
Bright Bart? Because he's in Israel, born in America.

595
00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: I had Tom Lawongo on a week or a week

596
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,559
and a half ago, and he I told him, I said,

597
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,519
I want you to listen to this episode I did

598
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:41,599
with a you know guy who's a hedge fund manager,

599
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,559
Ron Dodson, And I said, only you know. He talks

600
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:49,000
in the beginning about how Trump negotiates and what those

601
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,280
yeah run Run's wonderful. He's going after O S O

602
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,760
s I N T O S I N T on

603
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:03,079
Twitter this morning. You know, I told him, I said, listen,

604
00:43:03,159 --> 00:43:05,199
listen to this about how Trump negotiates. And he got

605
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,079
past that and he started listening and he's like, you know,

606
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:09,719
he listens to what we talked about right after that,

607
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,480
and he he got with me and he said, I

608
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,760
want to thank you for sharing that episode. And then

609
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,159
he went on like a couple podcasts and actually mentioned

610
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,920
the episode because what we talked about after that was

611
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:25,559
that the fact that we're the age of consensus politics

612
00:43:25,639 --> 00:43:31,559
is dead, which means that populism is dead. We are

613
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:36,639
not in nobody cares. Nobody really cares about what the

614
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,320
people wants anymore. It's about who's going to get power

615
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,599
and who's going to do a thing. And if Trump

616
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:46,239
has proved anything by getting rid of you know, the

617
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,199
cash cows too. You know, I said today with him

618
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:54,280
slapping down Zelenski was basically him slapping down, you know,

619
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,760
a branch of international jewelry. Him cutting off a USAID

620
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:04,039
is a way of basically defunding a branch of international jewelry.

621
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,480
And he's doing this without I mean, taking the puggles

622
00:44:09,519 --> 00:44:13,280
in the City of London is is defunding, you know,

623
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:18,760
like yeah, right, and Jews are just Jews are just

624
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:24,159
criminals like that, they're just mafiosi, right, be mean, he

625
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,199
was a hard dude, but he's just a mafiosi.

626
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 2: Right. He's corrupt, he's you know, constantly engaging in shady

627
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:38,039
deals like like that's he's just that's that's what he is.

628
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,559
And and they've all been that way, every single one

629
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:48,079
of you know, what was it the the former prime

630
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:51,239
minister who was Dawson's talked about this, the guy who

631
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,559
was in former Israeli intelligence who was neck deep in

632
00:44:56,599 --> 00:45:01,760
the massade or in the or knee deep in the

633
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,760
Epstein thing. Not a hood Barrock, yeah, Barrock yeah, adro

634
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:14,760
So these people are just criminals, right. The only difference

635
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:20,559
between Congress and your local mafia is who cuts their suits. Right.

636
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,760
Stormy's talked about this a lot. It's worth you know, uh,

637
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,360
former Senator from Washington State, Henry Scoop Jackson, Right, the

638
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:36,840
joke was that he was the senator from Boeing all

639
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,840
through the Cold War. Right, we need more appropriation for

640
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:43,599
you know, like he just never met you know, Defense

641
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:47,360
Appropriations Bill. He didn't love because he was Boeing's man

642
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:57,639
in Washington. Well, everybody that everybody you see on April Hill,

643
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:01,480
there are all somebody's somebody. They're all like a walking

644
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:09,280
walllet for somebody, their a mouthpiece for somebody, they're they're

645
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:15,639
legal guy whatever. You know, what do you call CBS

646
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:25,199
CIA broadcasting system? Right? Yeah, you know Washington Post. How

647
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,840
did Bob Woodward, former intelligence operator, like go from you know,

648
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,559
junior cup reporter to the man on the biggest story

649
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:37,519
in the history of the newspaper. I mean, we've we've

650
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:43,159
basically found out that, like Operation Mockingbird never ended, Like

651
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,159
Politico is just a mocking Bird operation. Like you think

652
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:49,840
Bill Buckley left the CIA to found a National Review

653
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,639
or do you think the CIA told him to found

654
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,039
National Review? Which one? What do you think really happened there?

655
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: Rod Rothbard covers that in Betrayal of the American Right,

656
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:07,000
which is basically a a pretty good you know, if

657
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,199
you read around the obvious libertarianism and things like that.

658
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:13,960
It's a good history of the neocons, one of the

659
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,280
better history of the neocons.

660
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,639
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, it's a wonderful book. But yeah, like you

661
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,039
think Politico is any different. You think the Washington Post

662
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,079
is any different, Like, oh, uh rt is not available

663
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,599
in this country because it's you know, propaganda state media.

664
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,760
What do you think it pr is, It's just it's

665
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:40,199
just state media for ship lips, you know, PBS. It's

666
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:47,199
not any different. The BBC, it's all all like and

667
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,639
the receipt are there like this is you've been paid

668
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:59,480
by you know, left wing uh Zionists to promote their narrative.

669
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,800
And they don't want Western nations to be full of

670
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,519
free people who are capable of standing up in their

671
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:11,599
own because they might stand up for themselves against the occupiers.

672
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:15,239
Simple ass like they didn't want the Bath Party keep,

673
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:21,599
you know, in Syria and Iraq because the Arabs, due

674
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:24,960
to their own civilizational deficiencies, require like a strong man,

675
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:28,599
central central power to like keep organize them and get

676
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:34,280
them to do anything. So the Bath Parties couldn't stand

677
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:40,519
because that Ataly enabled Arabs to organize and thrown interests

678
00:48:40,599 --> 00:48:45,679
content the interests of Israel, just the way that you know, uh,

679
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,719
Governor Shapiro and Pennsylvania doesn't want those you know, white

680
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,440
coal miners to be able to organize successfully in their

681
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,119
own self defense because then they'll they'll storm hair is

682
00:48:57,159 --> 00:49:04,079
pretty like, dude, what's going on? Well, then they could

683
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:05,719
oppose him, so they don't want that.

684
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 1: I guess that brings us. That brings us back to,

685
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,599
you know, talking about or we've never finished talking about

686
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:22,239
just or it's just a continue continued conversation about what

687
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:27,320
we do for ourselves, and that's what it's. That's what

688
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,400
it's always come to. We can't, as much as I

689
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,719
would love to see Trump just absolutely dismantle, you know,

690
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,880
the administrative state, sitting here and expecting him to do that,

691
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:42,920
or sitting here and hoping he does that and then

692
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,719
hoping it somehow benefits me because I think one of

693
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,000
the things that we got straw manned on was when

694
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,079
we started talking about the PayPal mafia last year that

695
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,960
we were like, oh, you want these guys to be

696
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,679
in charge. It's like, No, what I'm thinking is there

697
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:04,119
is a quite a possibility that these people don't want

698
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,679
me dead as compared to the regime it's in charge.

699
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,719
And considering some of the things that I know that

700
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,840
they that I've heard that they want to do, maybe

701
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,440
there'll be some things that will line up that I'll

702
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,760
be able to take advantage of it wasn't oh, we

703
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:22,320
think these people are going to be in there, they're

704
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,599
going to be our friends and they're going to be

705
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:27,400
one hundred percent. No one ever said that. But you know,

706
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,480
if you're a a diet in the whole ideologue, who

707
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,679
you know needs everything to be one hundred percent their way,

708
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,800
which you're never going to get. Then you hear one

709
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,119
thing while we're saying another. Okay, well, Mark market Dreason

710
00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:48,239
is a lot of things, stupid is not one of them. Okay,

711
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:53,519
Market Treason knows that in a world without reliable electricity,

712
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:03,039
his billion dollar fortune that's built on computers and technology,

713
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:06,960
and we're Diddley squad. I don't know what his day

714
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,719
to day life is like, but I imagine being able

715
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,400
to take a private plane wherever you want and have

716
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:18,679
multiple houses and cool locations is pretty cool. It's kind

717
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,679
of nice to be able to like, Oh, the Metropolitan Opera,

718
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,280
New York is doing uh Let Treviata this weekend, and

719
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,400
I really like that opera, and they've got a really

720
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:28,840
good soprano playing the main part.

721
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,639
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. Let's see a

722
00:51:32,639 --> 00:51:35,880
lot of Traviata on Saturday night tomorrow night, so I

723
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,079
could be in Florida and be like, I'm gonna go

724
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,519
see Latrove tomorrow, and you call your guy up and

725
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:50,159
you get on your plane in the morning, and you

726
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,760
fly from Florida to New York and you land at

727
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,239
your private airfield that only other really rich dudes go to,

728
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:03,320
and then you go to your New York apartment that's nice,

729
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:06,480
it's quiet, and you change into a nice outfit and

730
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:08,639
he go see Let Traviata, and you go to your

731
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,840
nice restaurant after the opera that's exclusive, and you crash

732
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,159
your nice New Yirk place, and then the next day

733
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:22,000
you fly home to your nice sunny place in Florida

734
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:28,719
in the Keys in the wintertime, and it's fantastic. Well,

735
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:33,280
in order for all of that to happen, Mark and

736
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:34,880
Jessa has got to have people who are capable of

737
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:40,000
flying his airplane and maintaining his airplane and maintaining the

738
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:48,320
airport and maintaining the roads and maintaining the power stations

739
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,119
so that all of that stuff works. And maybe, just

740
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:54,960
maybe Mark and Jason wants to be in charge because

741
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,880
Mark and Dreason Repeater Thiel or whoever wants to be

742
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,119
in charge because they want in charge, well, guess what,

743
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,920
they have billions of dollars and if they want stuff,

744
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:08,960
stuff happens. If Peter Thiel wants to be in charge

745
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:13,280
of things and he wants there to be functioning electricity

746
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,280
because PayPal doesn't work when there's no electricity, and so

747
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,480
he doesn't have any money. If there's no electricity, well

748
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,360
then I benefit because hey, I like electricity too. That

749
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:25,639
not only enables me to talk to my buddy Pete,

750
00:53:26,199 --> 00:53:29,480
but it means I don't freeze to death. So I'm

751
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:39,400
a fan. And what I think these guys have seen

752
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:49,880
is that we white Western civilization, particularly the men, were

753
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,639
carrying such a parasite load that it was going to

754
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,360
kill the host. And they were like, oh, well, I

755
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:00,239
like being king parasite to use an analogy, and I

756
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,840
like being the guy at the top of the heap

757
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:07,159
who has my billions of dollars and my nice tech fortune,

758
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:11,559
all which you know they've genuinely done things to earn. Right.

759
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:20,599
PayPal is handy, Escape Bowser revolutionized everything. Elon Musk is

760
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:23,280
no dummy, Like these people are genuinely doing things. But

761
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,159
what they've exposed is just how much of everything else

762
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:35,159
was dragging us down. Millions and fake social security millions

763
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:39,800
of fake social security numbers, millions, billions of dollars in

764
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,360
fake influence ops. You know, ten percent, ten percent of

765
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:52,239
the country is working at some sort of nonprofit that

766
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,039
is mostly just a government money lendering operation. You know,

767
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:57,920
you and I talked about the teachers unions and are

768
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,679
in the series on uh Brace were in high school.

769
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,360
That's just the money a line of operation.

770
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 1: It's funny when when I started reading that book and

771
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,199
I think, I'm I think I re released it recently

772
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,239
or I'm getting ready to re release it. The in

773
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,880
the big file and everything. You know, we didn't realize.

774
00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,400
We thought we were just going to find out about

775
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,360
you know, a bunch of kid you know, a bunch

776
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,039
of kids quote unquote chimping out in high school. And

777
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,760
we found out that, well, no, we were good. We

778
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,880
were going to read about the Jewish take the Jewish

779
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,960
takeover of a of a public union, and and and

780
00:55:39,079 --> 00:55:41,760
it laid out exactly how they did it. I mean,

781
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,480
that's that's the craziest thing about that book is You're like, oh, okay, well,

782
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,840
you know, blacks are beating people up doing drugs and

783
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:51,079
raping teachers.

784
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,119
Speaker 2: Wow, I did not know that. No.

785
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: I kind of knew that, I just had never really

786
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,159
seen it spelled out in such detail. But what we

787
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,519
really found out was we found we found out why

788
00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:04,440
nothing was ever going to be done about it because

789
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,360
a heist was happening.

790
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:12,039
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because Randy White Gardener or is the you know,

791
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,280
aft head, right, and she's a Jewish lesbian Mary Do

792
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:21,119
a quote unquote Marry Do a rabbi or something, And basically, right,

793
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,679
it was just the US saying USA a d scamp. Right,

794
00:56:24,679 --> 00:56:27,440
They're going to take a bunch of decent people's tax money.

795
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,079
They're going to splash it out to all their friends,

796
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:33,920
and those friends are going to be like, well, you know,

797
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,039
you just gave me a thousand bucks, I'm gonna give

798
00:56:36,039 --> 00:56:39,840
you one hundred dollars back to continue to splash out

799
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,079
that money for me, because you know, I'm getting you know,

800
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:48,039
summers off huge, you know. And they knew it was

801
00:56:48,079 --> 00:56:50,079
gonna I'm like it. They could read an actual aerial

802
00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:53,440
table in nineteen seventy six. They knew it was going

803
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,360
to bankrupt the state of New York, you know, fifty

804
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,360
years from now, in the twenty twenties, they didn't care

805
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,239
because they were getting paid. Now it's like, well you

806
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,880
know again, Peter Deal, Margantrison not dumb guys. They read

807
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,000
that actor Oily table and said, oh, well, if we

808
00:57:13,079 --> 00:57:16,519
want to live in a society that that functions well

809
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,159
enough that we can enjoy it and do things like

810
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,440
go to nice restaurants and go see the opera and

811
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:25,199
and go see you know, the symphony orchestras, and have

812
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,000
nice houses with with you know, functioning electrical systems and

813
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,440
clean water and all that stuff. Like we're gonna have

814
00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:37,320
to put the ship all right, because it's no other

815
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:44,280
elite around to do it. We said for years, hey,

816
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,079
maybe you just fix this. Maybe used to fix this. Well,

817
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,480
go and behold. You know old Cocaine Mitch, whose wife

818
00:57:50,599 --> 00:57:55,639
was the former Transportation secretary. There's a from an oligarchical

819
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,320
Chinese family. She's not really interested in fixing them America.

820
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:05,199
Well why not because she doesn't because she's not American.

821
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:08,719
Elaine Chow is not an American. Why was this prison,

822
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:16,119
you know, this Transportation secretary under w. Bush? Why are

823
00:58:16,119 --> 00:58:18,519
all these federal judges who aren't Americans being put in

824
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:22,280
place where they can like block the Trump administration and say, well,

825
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:24,639
I mean, I'm not an American and my wife works

826
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:28,119
for you know, an open borders in g O. But

827
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:31,039
I'm going to tell you, guys how your constitution works.

828
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:36,480
What no like like this, This can't work. It will

829
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,679
not continue to function. How many there's probably one hundred

830
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:46,800
million fraud doing illegal immigrants in America if you if

831
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,760
rounding up like if it might be eighty million, might

832
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,679
be seventy five million, but tens of millions. This is

833
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,480
certainly that many, if you include their offspring who shouldn't

834
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,480
be citizens, right but are because are temporarily because of

835
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:05,840
our ridiculous system. Have you been to a public emergency

836
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:10,880
room lately? They're unusable. The streets looked like the dark

837
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:11,480
side of the moon.

838
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're anywhere near a city, it just looks

839
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:20,320
it looks like the you know, an airport in Africa.

840
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so no matter what, right, Trump just telling us,

841
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:30,920
let's get hete like, we can't do business like this.

842
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,760
I'll believe it when I see it. Well, whoever's pulling

843
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,639
Donald trump strings understands that we're at the end of

844
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:46,400
the runway. There's no more room. You now, the national debt.

845
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:49,159
Interest on the national debt exceeds our defense spending, and

846
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:53,719
that was already bloated by three or four times too much. Basically,

847
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,719
at this point, what we're hoping for is you're just

848
00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,679
hoping for more of the rot to be cut away,

849
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,639
because the more rot that's cut away, the more opportunity

850
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:12,159
that is for you. The more it came to this removed, yeah, yeah,

851
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,119
that's well.

852
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: I mean people need to understand there's too many people

853
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:19,760
looking at this, and I get them coming into the

854
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,840
comments on my live stream or leaving comments on Twitter.

855
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:29,639
They're all willing to do something as soon as everything's perfect.

856
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:34,400
It's not ever going to be perfect. So you have

857
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:38,199
to be able to recognize opportunity when it presents itself,

858
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:43,840
and it's presenting itself right now. Things are being things

859
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,880
are being put in place. Now we may we may

860
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:51,679
have a quote unquote correction coming in the market very soon.

861
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,000
So I don't know if that's the place you'd look

862
01:00:55,239 --> 01:00:58,079
now when everything goes down, if you have some extra,

863
01:00:58,239 --> 01:01:00,320
you know, you might want to ride the way back up.

864
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:04,559
But no, what I'm talking about is I'm talking about

865
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:11,360
tangible goods employment, starting your own business all of these

866
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,840
things starting a family going and you know, seeing if

867
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:17,679
you can find some land somewhere, you know, and it

868
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,119
doesn't have to be make sure it's not in the

869
01:01:20,159 --> 01:01:22,199
g it doesn't have to be in the greatest zip code.

870
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:27,199
We've been sold that it just someplace where you're comfortable,

871
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,360
someplace where you're safe. All of these things can be

872
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,159
All of these things can should be had. You should

873
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:37,719
have been able to do this under the Biden administration

874
01:01:38,039 --> 01:01:42,760
if you had your head on straight. But now a

875
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,559
lot of that rot is being torn away. And if

876
01:01:45,639 --> 01:01:48,320
you're just sitting there and you're complaining and you're like,

877
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,280
well I don't want to do anything until everything's perfect,

878
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,199
well that's not going to happen, so you're just going

879
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,920
to be lost. I used to think like that. I

880
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:57,719
used to think like that. It's like, well, why should

881
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:01,280
I even bother really trying, when you know, if you

882
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,360
own a house, you never really own it because of

883
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,360
property taxes and the more money I make, the more

884
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,960
income tax I'm going to pay and everything. And I mean,

885
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:13,159
that's just a loser mentality. It's just a loser mentality.

886
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:14,639
Speaker 2: And I hear it.

887
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: I hear it all too often, and it's one of

888
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,679
the reasons why I ran away from libertarianism, because you'll

889
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,920
hear that. I remember in twenty twenty one, people were

890
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,280
complaining about you know, it's like, oh, well, what do

891
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,079
we do? And Matt Erickson said make more money, and

892
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,119
immediately there was like five comments saying, oh, so that

893
01:02:34,199 --> 01:02:36,079
I can pay more taxes to pay for the war

894
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:36,599
in Yemen.

895
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, so you have more power, dumb ass,

896
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:53,360
because money is power. That's why. I mean, the people

897
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,599
who don't want to win just don't want to win,

898
01:02:56,079 --> 01:03:01,199
and you can't help those people, So leave them behind

899
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,519
and do whatever you can to help yourself and those

900
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:05,960
that want to help you and those that also want

901
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:06,199
to win.

902
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when Thomas people still contact me all

903
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,119
the time and go when Thomas says, you know, we're

904
01:03:16,199 --> 01:03:19,239
not Jevis witnesses, we're looking for a vanguard. What does

905
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:24,639
that mean? It means exactly what it means. It means

906
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,199
that we're putting information out there. And I know that

907
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,280
a lot of the people listening to this don't want

908
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,639
to be a part of the vanguard. They're looking for information,

909
01:03:32,719 --> 01:03:37,960
they're looking for education, whatever can help them. But you know,

910
01:03:38,559 --> 01:03:40,440
one of the good things that has come out of

911
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,239
this show is a lot of people joining the Old

912
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,760
Glory Club and us getting to meet a lot of

913
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:53,239
young people who are eager to be elite. They want

914
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:54,960
to know how to do that. They want to know

915
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:56,599
how to get power, they want to know how to

916
01:03:56,639 --> 01:04:01,320
get That's what this is all about. You're looking. It

917
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,760
goes back to the whole what we were talking about populism.

918
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:10,119
Not everybody's going to be able to That's one of

919
01:04:10,159 --> 01:04:12,320
the reasons why Jesus said, You'll always have the poor

920
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,960
because people some people are just not going to want

921
01:04:17,039 --> 01:04:19,679
to do for themselves. They'll always find an excuse to not.

922
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:28,119
And yeah, I mean what we're doing, what this was

923
01:04:28,199 --> 01:04:31,280
always all about was trying to trying to lift people

924
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,519
up who want to be lifted up. And now some

925
01:04:34,719 --> 01:04:38,960
things are being some rod is being stripped away. It

926
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:41,000
might even be able to make it a little bit

927
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:45,000
easier so that you can maybe some regulations will be gone.

928
01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:47,119
It'll allow you to do things that you would you

929
01:04:47,239 --> 01:04:48,199
never thought about doing.

930
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 2: So right now, if you're a white man under the

931
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,519
age of thirty, you've been hiking with a bunch of

932
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:02,119
other people's food in your backy and expected to you know,

933
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:04,960
when when it's time to stop the camp, you're expected

934
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:08,719
to hand them their food. Well, what the Trump administration

935
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,880
has just done said, well, you don't got to carry

936
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:17,360
that anymore. You can hike her farther and faster. I

937
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,039
take care of yourself more when you're not carrying other

938
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:24,679
people's stuff. Now, if he actually does it, or if

939
01:05:24,719 --> 01:05:28,320
it's just all talk, we'll see this. Epstein rug pull

940
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,199
was was pretty disappointing. But nevertheless he's exposing the rock,

941
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,440
and that might give people the moral courage to understand

942
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:40,639
just where we're at. I don't know if that's his play.

943
01:05:40,719 --> 01:05:42,880
I don't know if that's their plan. I don't know

944
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:52,559
what the other goal is. But I know for a fact, then,

945
01:05:52,639 --> 01:05:58,039
no matter what happens, I'll be better off if I

946
01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:01,760
find guys that I know I can trust, that are

947
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:06,039
also working to improve themselves and improve their own situations

948
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:09,679
as I'm trying to do myself. So no matter what, Like,

949
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:14,320
there's a wonderful old prep blog, probably from the twenty

950
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:20,639
tens we used to call the Woodpile report called the Gentleman,

951
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:23,199
called themselves Old Remus, and he said, if a prep

952
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,920
doesn't make your life better in general, it's useless. So

953
01:06:28,079 --> 01:06:32,719
having a case of Emory's good idea spending every last dime,

954
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:37,159
you have to have a year's worth of Emory's bad

955
01:06:37,239 --> 01:06:40,920
idea no matter what you're doing in your life. If

956
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,159
you don't have any debt and you're in good shape

957
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,320
and you're looking to network with bros, like, do any

958
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:50,960
of those things that make your life worse now? Of course,

959
01:06:51,599 --> 01:06:55,239
of course not that doesn't mean you're putting together like

960
01:06:55,320 --> 01:07:01,800
a you know, Mad Max Apocalypse squad. I mean maybe,

961
01:07:04,039 --> 01:07:08,199
but like being in shape and and having friends is

962
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:09,840
like not a bad thing no matter what.

963
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 3: So just do it.

964
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: Do do the prep that makes your life better, no

965
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:22,280
matter what, you know, instead of just endlessly you know,

966
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,519
I suppose it's a little bit hypocritical guy, you know,

967
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:26,480
guy who does a bunch of podcasts telling people to

968
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:28,800
stop just endlessly go a seeing podcast. But go out

969
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,920
and do something. You know, use this knowledge you've been

970
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:37,119
given that you know, those of us who give it

971
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:42,119
to you incurk great risks to do it. You know,

972
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,000
not only do you should you use that knowledge to

973
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:51,719
improve your own life, but you know, support the people

974
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,639
that support you and go to your freeman me on

975
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:57,159
the wall slash support to enable Pete to you know,

976
01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,679
keep doing this so that you have more and more

977
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:03,880
of a or your network. Because right now, if you're

978
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,280
an OGC guy, you can go just about anywhere in

979
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:12,639
America and find it. Bro And within a year from

980
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,079
now or two years from now, I would be very,

981
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,880
very surprised if there weren't oh GC guys in every state.

982
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: At least getting chapters up in every state up and running,

983
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,279
because I believe we do have OGC guys in every

984
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:34,319
state now spiritually. We just were doing this officially. So yeah,

985
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,439
I got to cut it there because I got another

986
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,560
one coming up this afternoon. But I do appreciate you

987
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,319
coming by, and I really hope people got the message

988
01:08:44,399 --> 01:08:47,199
today that you know, there are some good things happening.

989
01:08:48,039 --> 01:08:52,760
You will be disappointed. It's politics. You have no control

990
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,319
over it. You're going to be disappointed. Suck it up,

991
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,479
keep going and do what you need to do to

992
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:00,000
take care.

993
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 2: Of you and yours.

994
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: And you know, don't buy into this lie that collectivism

995
01:09:07,159 --> 01:09:10,439
is socialism or communism. And then when you say that,

996
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,720
people are like, well, no, only if you use a state, No,

997
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,840
if you're local and you get one of your people elected.

998
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,600
I mean, one of our people is a state's attorney

999
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,279
right now. One of our people, like a bunch of

1000
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:28,239
our people are working in this administration, you know, and

1001
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:35,479
that's that's something that's something to celebrate. If that can happen,

1002
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,279
there's no reason why your local area, you guys, can't

1003
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:44,159
get together and take over and you know, defeat the

1004
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,760
enemy in your local area and try to work on

1005
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,600
making it what you want it to look like, what

1006
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,479
you and your people want it to look like. So

1007
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,319
I'll end on that, and I'll give you the last

1008
01:09:56,319 --> 01:09:57,479
word if you have anything.

1009
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:01,159
Speaker 2: No just you know, support the people to support you,

1010
01:10:02,079 --> 01:10:04,800
you know, reband me on the walls. Last support, right,

1011
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,520
I appreciate that. Man, Well, thank you, and until the

1012
01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,119
next time, say carry yourself for Rett. Thanks man.

1013
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,079
Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekingano Show.

1014
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:25,399
I have two frequent beloved guests here today. So Thomas,

1015
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,319
how are you doing?

1016
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 3: And well thanks for invoting me.

1017
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 1: D how are you doing.

1018
01:10:31,239 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: I'm fantastic, man, Thanks for having me back.

1019
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,279
Speaker 1: All right, d this was your this was your idea

1020
01:10:36,399 --> 01:10:42,000
for a conversation, so have at it. MANA, thank you

1021
01:10:42,079 --> 01:10:45,520
so much. So everyone should totally check out. I mean

1022
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,640
everything that Beat and Thomas have done together, but the

1023
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,479
Mosley series in particular I found really fascinating, just because

1024
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:54,399
you know, Moseley, here's a culture familiar with us. And

1025
01:10:55,119 --> 01:10:58,039
in I think episode four or five, you guys talked

1026
01:10:58,079 --> 01:11:00,960
about the Fascist International Conference, the first one, first and

1027
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:04,479
only one, and we mentioned all the different nations that

1028
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:09,000
were that were there. And if you haven't read Paul

1029
01:11:09,039 --> 01:11:10,920
Gotfried's Fascism in the Career of a Concept, I think

1030
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:11,680
it's a really good book.

1031
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 2: Despite you know, doctor Godfried being of the tribe, I

1032
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:20,119
believe he's an honest man. And it got me thinking that,

1033
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,680
you know, in nineteen sixteen at the Psalm, if you'd

1034
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,159
gone back a century to the Congress of Vienna where

1035
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:32,520
Napoleon was the you know, Hapa recently called it a

1036
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:39,520
gentleman's piece. Right, you have this where despite firearms, most

1037
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,920
of the people in the world were still agricultural peasants,

1038
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:46,800
and despite advances and things like the McCormick reaper binder

1039
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:55,359
in the eighteen fifties or improved yields and crops and

1040
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,279
other things, right, like like an agricultural peasant from like

1041
01:11:58,359 --> 01:12:03,960
a Roman Lata fundiaould fundamentally understand like a guy who

1042
01:12:04,119 --> 01:12:09,279
was growing food in Mississippi in like eighteen fifty five.

1043
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:18,199
But in the nineteenth century, between the Psalm and Vienna,

1044
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:32,039
you had cars, trains, refrigeration, canning, telecommunications and telegraph and

1045
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:36,680
the telephone. I mean just literally everything in normal life.

1046
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:42,800
Everyday life changed one hundred percent and in a very

1047
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:45,239
rare old way, like World War One represents like the

1048
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:49,399
death of the old world, and fascism is this opportunity.

1049
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,720
There's like, there's three kind of semi coherent ways to

1050
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:54,119
deal with this new change world that happens after the war,

1051
01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:02,920
after the Great War of capitalism, Bolshevism, and fascism, and really,

1052
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:05,279
to me, the only one that actually kind of makes

1053
01:13:05,279 --> 01:13:07,760
coherence ince with like human beings as they are, that

1054
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,439
have particular loves and attachments and you know, it doesn't

1055
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:17,880
destroy religion and whatever. Fascism was the one coherent way

1056
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:22,239
to actually address all these changes without like just air

1057
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,479
rejecting them entirely. There are people who will you know,

1058
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:26,520
larpest Catholic monarchists or whatever, and like we just need

1059
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:27,600
to go back to the way it was in the

1060
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,479
thirteenth century. Like, that's a nice thought, but that ain't happen.

1061
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,479
So I couldn't think of anybody better than Thomas to

1062
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:40,640
like actually elucidate how fascism was just very real attempt

1063
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,600
to grapple with the world as it now found itself.

1064
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,159
And I think that people need to understand that, like

1065
01:13:47,279 --> 01:13:50,520
those are your alternatives, Right, you can have Bolshevism, you

1066
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:56,359
can have Judaeo Usuria's capitalism, or you can have some

1067
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,119
sort of state socialism, and that's it.

1068
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:07,119
Speaker 3: Well, it's also it's important to consider I think, I mean,

1069
01:14:07,159 --> 01:14:11,199
I invoke the term capitalism because just for intelligibility, and

1070
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:15,079
people like Humputer they invoked it for the same reason,

1071
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:22,119
even though he didn't think that it was particularly useful

1072
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:25,840
as a descript or in absolute terms. But like, the

1073
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,359
important thing to keep in mind is that the New

1074
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:30,520
Deal revolution, it was with the revolution, areas what happened

1075
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,600
in Germany in nineteen thirty three, or would it happen

1076
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:37,640
in the Soviet Union? Okay, Like it wasn't Roosevelt wasn't

1077
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:40,720
just this guy. He was like, well, you know, there's

1078
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,279
a structural crisis underway, so we needed an executive to

1079
01:14:44,359 --> 01:14:46,359
step in and you know, and kind of manage the

1080
01:14:47,880 --> 01:14:50,880
crisis situation, like the New Deal was this top down

1081
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:56,319
ideology of retooling the entire way of living of you know,

1082
01:14:56,439 --> 01:15:00,600
millions and millions of people. And I make the point

1083
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,279
again and again that like what became the Civil Rights

1084
01:15:04,359 --> 01:15:11,640
Revolution ephimistically that started under roseen Belt, like forced racial integration,

1085
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,239
that's kind of trying to forcibly strict people of their

1086
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:18,800
identitarian characteristics.

1087
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1088
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:27,079
Speaker 3: That was one of the kind of secondary imperatives of

1089
01:15:27,119 --> 01:15:33,640
the military draft, was the kind of conditioned people towards

1090
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:41,199
those towards those imperatives, you know. So it wasn't it

1091
01:15:41,399 --> 01:15:46,479
wasn't as kind of like neutral administrative apparatus that was implemented,

1092
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,840
but that also you know, had sort of like a

1093
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,760
war profiteers sensibility, you know, in terms of power political affairs.

1094
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:01,920
So that that's fundamentally important, and it's not in these

1095
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,880
people were very much adjacent the communists. I mean that

1096
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:11,079
that's why they It wasn't just that they hated the

1097
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:14,359
fascists and the national socialists, and it's not just that

1098
01:16:14,399 --> 01:16:17,800
they were sympathetic to Zionism. Like first and foremost, I

1099
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:22,119
Roosevelt himself didn't particularly like Jews. I mean, that's just

1100
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:27,159
a fact. Like his uh, his primary sympathy was for communism,

1101
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,159
you know, like in the in the view of people

1102
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:33,920
like him, you know, this is an inevitability, this is

1103
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,840
the way the world is going, you know. And for

1104
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:41,000
context too, because the people to this day they still

1105
01:16:41,039 --> 01:16:44,880
talk about guys like Burnham as being neocons because you know,

1106
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:49,439
in the nineteen twenties they would they would bandy socialist ideas.

1107
01:16:50,079 --> 01:16:53,880
People don't understand that oncologically, every single person thought that

1108
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:57,359
way because there'd been a total collapse of the nascent

1109
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,359
world economy and in the app sense of information tech,

1110
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:07,680
that situation is unmanageable, like laissez fair is not possible

1111
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,520
in the true sense if there's no such thing as

1112
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:16,119
situational awareness up to the moment. You know, really the

1113
01:17:16,199 --> 01:17:19,560
situation kind of endured until the late nineteen eighties. Like

1114
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,680
the reason now, like there's not true economic crises. I mean,

1115
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,560
part of that is structural, and part of that has

1116
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:31,600
to do with the deep integration of capital, but the

1117
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,279
primarily it's the elimination of uncertainty. Like I can tell

1118
01:17:35,319 --> 01:17:39,439
you right this moment, like what's happening in European markets. Okay,

1119
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,840
even like forty years ago, thirty years ago, I wouldn't

1120
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,800
know for hours, you know, in the nineteen twenties, I

1121
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:53,560
wouldn't know for days. So this idea that people you know,

1122
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:59,399
who weren't inclined towards New Dealrism, or towards communism, or

1123
01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:03,199
towards utipal and socialism, whatever, that they were just advocating

1124
01:18:04,199 --> 01:18:08,920
status models of of of the planned economy or whatever,

1125
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:11,640
or that they were like Bandy and Keyesianism. They weren't

1126
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:14,439
doing that because like they had some ethical disposition in

1127
01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:17,560
that way. It's because that's the way every single person thought.

1128
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:20,039
You know, if you've if you started talking about laissez

1129
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:22,159
fair economics, people have looked at you like you were

1130
01:18:22,159 --> 01:18:24,600
an idiot or a crazy person, like how would that

1131
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:25,279
even have worked?

1132
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:26,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1133
01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:32,159
Speaker 3: So there's that I tend to agree to change gears

1134
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:37,079
back to the main subject matter because I was kind

1135
01:18:37,119 --> 01:18:41,239
of a tangent. I generally agree with arms Noltzi. I

1136
01:18:41,319 --> 01:18:46,279
think fascism, like true fascism, as it emerged the you

1137
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:51,800
know in Italy, it was a radical tendency. It was

1138
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,560
as much a radical tendency as communism was. It just

1139
01:18:54,640 --> 01:19:00,439
didn't have the same political orientation obviously, and a lot

1140
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:05,279
of that was born a future shock, you know, but

1141
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,039
also the international situation had to do with it.

1142
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:08,840
Speaker 2: You know.

1143
01:19:09,039 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 3: I make the point again and again. One of the

1144
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:15,119
reasons there's the alibi of Conservatives and other Midwies that oh,

1145
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:17,520
you shouldn't be too hard on Churchill because the U

1146
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,640
kid to prevent the ascendancy of a rival power in

1147
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:25,159
Germany that was dead like cabinet warring, and you know,

1148
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:30,720
this kind of sensibility of oh, we've got to you know,

1149
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,079
we've got to strangle geostrategic rivals in utero to like

1150
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:39,680
preserve you know, our ability to manage these captive markets

1151
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,439
and things like that died in nineteen fourteen. You know.

1152
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:49,399
By the time of the Great Depression, the superpower era

1153
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:55,479
was emerging. You know, so Japan and Europe and Germany specifically,

1154
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,760
but I mean I say Europe because the axis wasn't

1155
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,399
this Germany. That's a misconception that this was some German

1156
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:08,079
nationalist enterprise. But Japan, through what they called the Greater

1157
01:20:08,239 --> 01:20:13,760
Asia co Prosperity Sphere, and Germany slash Europe would become superpowers.

1158
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:18,560
They would ferish you know, and you know I put

1159
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,920
it to people who invoked that. So the ethical alibi

1160
01:20:22,119 --> 01:20:24,319
that I just did invoked. You know, the UK obviously

1161
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,560
lost the war and it became like a third rate power.

1162
01:20:28,359 --> 01:20:31,840
You know, it's now like overrun with with with aliens

1163
01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:36,079
and is you know quite literally airstrip one. So like obviously,

1164
01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:40,319
like that victory was the most puic victory that's ever

1165
01:20:41,399 --> 01:20:42,279
that's ever been had.

1166
01:20:43,159 --> 01:20:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mosley was completely correct, right, like we have to

1167
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:48,880
secure the empire, we're going to lose it, you know.

1168
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:54,039
Just to briefly bring up like Donnzia's cultive speed, right,

1169
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,680
we didn't have paved roads until like eighteen twenty. Macadam

1170
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,399
didn't invent the process till eight the eighteen twenties. So

1171
01:21:02,279 --> 01:21:07,840
think about this, like Roman transportation in like the first

1172
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:13,039
century was the best roads, goot until the mid eighteenth century,

1173
01:21:14,079 --> 01:21:17,479
and forty miles an hour was the fastest any human

1174
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:22,880
being went more than like a second or two and

1175
01:21:23,239 --> 01:21:29,039
live to tell about it for centuries. And as you

1176
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,800
pointed out, right, like there's was just no alternative.

1177
01:21:36,279 --> 01:21:40,239
Speaker 3: Well, the two key, the two key, the two key

1178
01:21:40,319 --> 01:21:46,199
aspects of future shock that translated that both informed and

1179
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:53,359
were they caretalyst for and and we're most significant to

1180
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:58,319
the political situation. It was, uh, it was the crisis

1181
01:21:58,359 --> 01:22:01,840
of labor, and it was the military and strategic situation

1182
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:08,119
and the emergence of wartech, devastating wartech at scale. And

1183
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:13,319
also what's significant is that massive warfare at scale basically

1184
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,920
never ever happens to the twentieth century. The fact that

1185
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:21,920
this became the reality constantly, that's completely abnormal. Those conditions

1186
01:22:22,039 --> 01:22:25,680
happened maybe once every thousand years. And obviously, again the

1187
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:29,840
wartech that emerged in scale capacity, that was totally unprecedented.

1188
01:22:30,319 --> 01:22:33,920
But also I think the point to people a lot,

1189
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:41,000
you know, the crisis of labor and the fortunes of

1190
01:22:41,119 --> 01:22:49,560
millions of people being bound up with labor imperatives. People

1191
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:52,479
can't conceptualize that anymore. That's the reason why I'm always

1192
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,159
telling people don't use the term working class. There is

1193
01:22:55,239 --> 01:22:57,720
no working class. There hasn't, Like the last of it

1194
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,760
in structural terms went away in the early nineties. Like

1195
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:04,680
we say working class, we don't mean people with jobs

1196
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,600
or like guys who do work. We're talking about millions

1197
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,920
and millions of people doing pretty much the exact same

1198
01:23:12,119 --> 01:23:16,560
job in factory settings. They're almost all young, they're almost

1199
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:21,199
all men. Their jobs are dangerous, they're very very low wage.

1200
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:29,680
There's basically no room for advancement. It's a totally urbanized

1201
01:23:30,279 --> 01:23:34,880
setting for this kind of labor. That is the working class. Okay,

1202
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:39,520
it's conditions that don't exist anymore really anywhere on this planet,

1203
01:23:39,640 --> 01:23:41,439
like even in place like China where there's just like

1204
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,960
mass like apple factories. I mean, don't get me wrong.

1205
01:23:45,039 --> 01:23:47,359
Those people have like a really brutal lot of life,

1206
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:51,079
and they don't have the right to organize or anything,

1207
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:54,359
and they're very much like exploited. But that's different than

1208
01:23:54,399 --> 01:23:57,399
what we're talking about in you know, the early twentieth century.

1209
01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:02,920
Like that's the that's the that's the that's the ideological soil,

1210
01:24:03,239 --> 01:24:06,079
if you will, from where like communism emerges. That is

1211
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:09,760
the working class. If you read up in Sinclair's The Jungle,

1212
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:12,600
which I think is a great book. You know, I'm not,

1213
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,279
i know socialist like Sinclair was, but what he describes

1214
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:20,279
in the Chicago stockyards, that's the way that it was.

1215
01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,439
You know, every day people die on the job, Like

1216
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,439
going to your job is like going to war. And

1217
01:24:27,039 --> 01:24:29,159
there's always man who want to work, like if you

1218
01:24:29,479 --> 01:24:31,680
if you age out of the ability to physically do

1219
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:34,439
your job, if you get injured on the job, you'll

1220
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,800
be thrown away like garbage. There's one hundred other men

1221
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,960
who want to do your job or are younger, stronger,

1222
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,359
and will do it for half the way you do,

1223
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,199
Like why do I need you? That's the working class, okay,

1224
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:51,199
And uh, there's a there's an ontological aspect to it.

1225
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,680
Like people emphasize a lot the fact that these people

1226
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:59,520
lived in poverty, often grinding poverty, and in the cities

1227
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:03,119
that were already dangerous. These people have been ripped out

1228
01:25:03,159 --> 01:25:06,960
of the out of their kind of natural patterns of

1229
01:25:07,039 --> 01:25:10,520
living in rural and semi rural environments, you know, to

1230
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:12,600
go work there because they had to do to survive.

1231
01:25:14,079 --> 01:25:19,800
But also, uh, there's you know, there's an ontological aspect

1232
01:25:20,039 --> 01:25:23,600
like in one of Younger's Uh, I mean, Younger dealt

1233
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,159
with this directly in their Arbitter, but he and a

1234
01:25:28,199 --> 01:25:32,800
lot of his fiction it's like the Protagus or some

1235
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:36,000
of the secondary characters. They're great war veterans who find

1236
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:41,720
themselves in factory environments and those experiences like bleed into

1237
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,239
one another, you know, like fighting with these dangerous machines,

1238
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:47,760
you know, to like earn like a paltry wave is

1239
01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:52,319
like being in the trenches again. You know, that's it's

1240
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:54,520
not it's not just an accident. There's not just a

1241
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,640
flex that these guys on the street and Vaimar you know,

1242
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:01,279
who fought under the con and his banner called themselves,

1243
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:04,439
you know, combat group of the working class, because that

1244
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:10,640
wasn't probally you know, and those conditions are psychologically devastating,

1245
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:14,039
you know, like basically you're forced into conditions where it's

1246
01:26:14,199 --> 01:26:17,880
like I I've got to I've got to do this dangerous,

1247
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:24,119
dirty job otherwise I'll die, you know, and I have

1248
01:26:24,279 --> 01:26:24,960
no recourse.

1249
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:26,119
Speaker 2: You know.

1250
01:26:26,279 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 3: That's that's a lot of what underlay I mean, that's

1251
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:34,439
what underlay all revolutionary in Paris, you know, including fascism

1252
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:39,119
and and Mussolini's background in like the communist movement. Despite

1253
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:41,399
what a lot of communists said and what a lot

1254
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,039
of a lot of left revisionists say today, it wasn't

1255
01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:46,920
just like some cynical ploy like oh I'll start dying

1256
01:26:48,680 --> 01:26:52,000
the this this this kind of guys of of uh

1257
01:26:52,960 --> 01:26:55,800
of national or racial pride or something like Musli. He

1258
01:26:55,880 --> 01:27:00,239
believed everything he said. You know, but he he he

1259
01:27:00,720 --> 01:27:05,000
wasn't putting on airs with defining the fascist movement is

1260
01:27:05,039 --> 01:27:07,479
like a movement of like workers and soldiers and artist.

1261
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:08,399
Speaker 2: That's it was.

1262
01:27:10,079 --> 01:27:13,159
Speaker 3: Kind of the it was also responding to. It was

1263
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:15,680
also responding to tendencies like the action of France, say,

1264
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:19,720
who were very much reactionary like Morass himself was like

1265
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,199
an atheist and very much kind of like the twentieth

1266
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:27,439
century modernist. But he believed in like the He thought

1267
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,720
that you know, the Roman Church should have like retained

1268
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,720
like a fundamental role in French political life. He believed

1269
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,840
in like the monarchy. He thought these things were like

1270
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:42,079
essential to the sovereign authority and like symbolic psychological aspects

1271
01:27:42,079 --> 01:27:45,880
of culture. Uh. Mussolini was responding that large part He's like, no,

1272
01:27:46,079 --> 01:27:48,760
that's that's nonsense. We're done with it, you know, like

1273
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:52,239
Mussolini kept Ian. Mussolini didn't oppose the monarchy. Part of

1274
01:27:52,279 --> 01:27:54,199
it in Italy. Part of that was tactical, but part

1275
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,399
of that was, you know, he thought those kinds of

1276
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,600
things were important as a matter of you know, like

1277
01:28:00,439 --> 01:28:05,479
you know, like Latin heritage and stuff. But the National

1278
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,880
Fatist Party, I agree with arsonalty it was largely response

1279
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,399
to that, Like the national socially German Workers Party was

1280
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:15,479
like very much like a synthesis of those things, you know,

1281
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,760
not entirely consciously. It was like a discursion process with them.

1282
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:23,279
I think that's the way to think about it. Frankly,

1283
01:28:25,359 --> 01:28:26,800
let me jump in. Let me jump in and ask

1284
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,760
a question here. When you look at the nineteenth century

1285
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:34,039
and with the nineteenth century basically being a I mean

1286
01:28:36,119 --> 01:28:40,960
you had seminaries who were seminaries who were formally reformed,

1287
01:28:41,119 --> 01:28:48,319
adopting Darwinian Darwinian models, so basically the metaphysical has gone away.

1288
01:28:49,239 --> 01:28:52,560
How much of an effect does that have just basically

1289
01:28:53,119 --> 01:28:54,960
I mean on the culture. We know what it does,

1290
01:28:55,159 --> 01:28:56,800
but how much of an effect does that have on

1291
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:00,840
the political culture? I mean even outside of like Marxism. Yeah,

1292
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:04,560
it's tremendously impactful. And that's why that's one of the

1293
01:29:05,239 --> 01:29:08,439
those two things. It was that it was, uh, you know,

1294
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:14,920
the death of metaphysics and uh things that were things

1295
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:21,319
like they transcendent aspects of the culture. But also, you know,

1296
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:27,039
people people took for granted that you know, religion is dead.

1297
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:29,840
You know, even if that thing, even though that kind

1298
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,880
of thing is value nobody believes in that anymore. You know,

1299
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:38,239
human affairs are reducible to the material and the biological.

1300
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,119
And that's what I'm like a lot of racialism. Okay,

1301
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:44,159
I wrote a whole essay for my dear friend Giles,

1302
01:29:44,199 --> 01:29:46,680
who runs the asylum Meg I wrote. I wrote an

1303
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:49,319
essay for it that he asked me to because people

1304
01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:52,359
have this idea that, oh, you know, this kind of

1305
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:56,199
racialism was some German obsession. That's not only everybody thought.

1306
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:00,960
You know, America was probably the most avid, like racial

1307
01:30:01,079 --> 01:30:04,640
eugenicist country that existed then. I mean people thought that

1308
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,520
way in England and in Japan and France, like this

1309
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:12,279
idea that you know, well, the reason humans behave the

1310
01:30:12,319 --> 01:30:14,640
way they do culturally is because of your race. Like

1311
01:30:15,119 --> 01:30:16,760
like I'm not saying I'm like, race is a real thing.

1312
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,079
I'm not saying that, but it's not you're like your

1313
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:21,880
DNA or your blood as they thought in those days,

1314
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:25,159
like doesn't make you like act Jewish or like act German.

1315
01:30:25,319 --> 01:30:28,079
Like that doesn't make any sense, but in those days,

1316
01:30:28,119 --> 01:30:32,600
everybody thought that way. Like honestly, that's why these like

1317
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,279
internet guy used so like, I mean, yeah, there's like

1318
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:40,039
an ethnic component to any sectarian belief structure, and obviously,

1319
01:30:40,279 --> 01:30:43,560
like obviously like Judaism is a ethnos as well as

1320
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:50,319
like a a sectarian cultural structure. But these guys, these

1321
01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:53,359
weirdos like bandying like oh, Jews are a race like that,

1322
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:56,319
nobody thinks that way anymore. That's the way people thought

1323
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,239
in in the nineteen twenties, like on both sides of

1324
01:30:59,239 --> 01:31:01,439
the divide, like like you're Jewish because you have this

1325
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:03,720
kind of you have this kind of blood, you know,

1326
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:05,960
like that, you know, and if if you're if you're

1327
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:09,640
if you're European or Irian like or Japanese, you know,

1328
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,399
your blood makes you behave this way like that's that's

1329
01:31:13,439 --> 01:31:16,720
not the way things are like that, that's Darwinist nonsense,

1330
01:31:17,119 --> 01:31:19,199
you know, like Darwinism is nonsense. I don't know. People

1331
01:31:19,239 --> 01:31:21,199
on the right can't like let that go. But that's

1332
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,279
that's as much it's as much like an Enlightenment you

1333
01:31:25,359 --> 01:31:30,119
know kind of secular humanist uh lie is is the

1334
01:31:30,199 --> 01:31:32,920
rest of it, you know, like you don't you're not

1335
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,680
you're not something like you're not something like meat robot

1336
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:38,079
like running up program like that's not what a race is,

1337
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,840
you know, Like yeah, there's a biological aspect to it.

1338
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:45,720
But that you know, but no, that that's why, uh,

1339
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,199
that's why people they kind of cherry pick. They'll they'll

1340
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:53,279
look at something like uh, some guy like uh, some

1341
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:57,560
guy like surroundos in there, or somebody like Mussolini or

1342
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,960
somebody like you off Hill or like said or wrote

1343
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:04,159
about religion. They're like, see, like these guys hated religion.

1344
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:07,359
It's like everybody thought that way, you know. And honestly,

1345
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,600
like people like Hitler and Mussolini, they had like a

1346
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,760
softer view. I mean, first of all, Communists wanted to

1347
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:16,640
literally like mervhor you know, still clinging to the old ways.

1348
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:24,039
But uh, you know, the the the national sols isn't

1349
01:32:24,079 --> 01:32:28,880
the fishes. I mean says that their views of of

1350
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:33,920
a religiosity seemed punitive, which in the kids a latter

1351
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:35,840
I don't think they did. They were like look at

1352
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,119
look at like the conversation like him learning got lab Burger,

1353
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:41,359
Like Burger's talking about how like, yeah, you need to

1354
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,640
like cultivate like among our Islamic allies, we need to

1355
01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:47,880
like cultivate their like belief and like in in Orthodox

1356
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,600
and Roman Catholic territories, we got to like cultivate like

1357
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,199
religious belief. They were doing the opposite, if anything, but

1358
01:32:53,399 --> 01:32:56,359
it like cynical. Is that way of better or not?

1359
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:00,239
Like the point being, it wasn't even like for a

1360
01:33:00,279 --> 01:33:02,800
lot of people, it wasn't even like it was a

1361
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,720
value neutral thing like this is the way it is.

1362
01:33:04,840 --> 01:33:07,640
People don't think that way anymore, you know, So why

1363
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,800
would we talk about that stuff. It's irrelevant.

1364
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:16,479
Speaker 2: I did, well, I this is all gold. But I

1365
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:18,720
do think that it's important for listeners to remember that

1366
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:25,039
in the span of like three generations, like Don Abbott,

1367
01:33:25,119 --> 01:33:29,720
it was actually good at this. If you were like

1368
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:33,880
a poor peasant and you needed a job, you could

1369
01:33:33,920 --> 01:33:39,039
go to the local burger, the local ritter, the local

1370
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:43,199
you know, gentlemen in pretty much any country in Europe

1371
01:33:43,279 --> 01:33:46,720
right before nineteen fourteen, it'd be like, hey, I need

1372
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:50,319
a job, and he'd like, oh, well, I guess I

1373
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:55,119
could use another gardener, another this, another that, and you know,

1374
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:01,840
between the revolution in industry and the revolution in the war,

1375
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:05,880
right that killed that for a lot of reasons, like

1376
01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:12,159
the entire upper crust of Britain, of France, of Germany,

1377
01:34:12,319 --> 01:34:15,439
like they all died in the trenches. Russian, the entire

1378
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,439
era the aristocracy, but itself white all across Europe, and

1379
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:23,239
you know, the natural leader class just basically got slaughtered

1380
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:30,439
in nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen. So the and I was,

1381
01:34:30,479 --> 01:34:34,199
I was in correct earlier it was a it wasn't

1382
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:36,239
znnzi on the come to speed is Marinetti. I'm sorry,

1383
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:46,000
But that brutal work environment that you talked about, and

1384
01:34:46,479 --> 01:34:48,720
you know, the effectively the factory be no different than

1385
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:53,920
the trenches. Was there any like precedent for this in

1386
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:56,880
history that we know of? I mean, like I am,

1387
01:34:58,079 --> 01:35:01,279
I'm struggling. I might find with some kind of parallel

1388
01:35:01,359 --> 01:35:09,600
here where like the entire economic, social, religious, you know, sociological,

1389
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:12,720
familial paradigm just they all just shattered.

1390
01:35:13,039 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 3: There is no parallel. And like despite that, one's being

1391
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,319
the point that like only moron say, history repeats itself,

1392
01:35:18,399 --> 01:35:21,399
it absolutely does not, you know, like only idiots think

1393
01:35:21,439 --> 01:35:28,000
that kind of Consider this man, the Ford motor plant.

1394
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:30,399
I mean, Henry Ford was a great man and in

1395
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:34,239
part because he humanized labor and he and he did

1396
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:40,199
he did, he took heroic measures to elevate the quody

1397
01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:43,039
a life of his workforce. So that's that's relevant. But

1398
01:35:44,239 --> 01:35:47,720
just in overall terms. But my point is, uh, the

1399
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:51,920
Ford Motor plant employed one hundred thousand people. That that's

1400
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,960
utterly insane, like literally tens of thousands of people working

1401
01:35:57,039 --> 01:36:02,359
on one site and thousands and thousands of men literally

1402
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,880
doing the same job. But that's also like general strike

1403
01:36:06,079 --> 01:36:09,560
could bring the economy to its knees, you know, because

1404
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:14,880
these valuated manufacturers, you know there they if you could

1405
01:36:14,920 --> 01:36:18,119
if you get a halt production on them, you know, uh,

1406
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:23,359
they you nothing, there was no business was being done.

1407
01:36:24,159 --> 01:36:26,239
You know, it wasn't at all like today. And when

1408
01:36:26,239 --> 01:36:30,079
you're talking about when you're talking about a true working

1409
01:36:30,199 --> 01:36:35,319
class where you have you know, people integrated with productive machines,

1410
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,640
like literally you know, all doing the same job. They

1411
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,000
become part of that machine and they can they can

1412
01:36:42,119 --> 01:36:46,039
stop that machine. And like that's why that's also why

1413
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,359
scab labor became a thing, because you can, if you've

1414
01:36:50,359 --> 01:36:52,079
got like a if you got like a young man

1415
01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:55,840
literally with a strong back, if you can physically handle

1416
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:59,479
it and endure it psychologically and physically, you can teach

1417
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,319
any strong young guy to do this job. Like that's

1418
01:37:02,359 --> 01:37:04,720
part of that's part of what was critical to this

1419
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:09,399
paradigm is that we're talking about physically very difficult but

1420
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,039
unskilled labor. You know, it's basically, you know, it's like

1421
01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:17,199
a labor army. That's why Spengler talked about how the

1422
01:37:17,279 --> 01:37:21,680
city is a barracks because urbanization at scale, that's why

1423
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:23,800
it doesn't make any sense anymore. And like since the

1424
01:37:23,880 --> 01:37:30,399
seventies when the federal government stopped bailing out cities, which

1425
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,119
was a huge deal under the Ford administration, Gerald Ford,

1426
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:39,000
like the whole that demand scramble has been to like

1427
01:37:39,039 --> 01:37:41,520
find a way to like make cities profitable because like

1428
01:37:41,800 --> 01:37:44,520
they don't make sociological sense, you know, other I mean,

1429
01:37:44,840 --> 01:37:48,199
I think cities are important for sociological and historical reasons,

1430
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:52,199
but they exist. The reason why cities exist as we

1431
01:37:52,359 --> 01:37:55,800
know them is as worker barracks, you know, and finding

1432
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,920
a way to make them profitable. When that paradigm went away,

1433
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:04,079
it has been a very difficult thing and it's still

1434
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:04,880
it's ongoing.

1435
01:38:06,279 --> 01:38:09,239
Speaker 1: Something you said there that uh just triggered something right

1436
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:15,000
in my brain was about general strikes. And you know,

1437
01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:17,119
a lot of people will say, oh, the reason why

1438
01:38:17,239 --> 01:38:21,000
you ship your you ship your manufacturing over to China

1439
01:38:21,199 --> 01:38:24,000
is because you know, it's cheaper to manufacture there and

1440
01:38:24,119 --> 01:38:27,239
ship back here than it is to manufacture here. Yeah,

1441
01:38:27,279 --> 01:38:29,399
you also don't have a chance. There's no chance of

1442
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:31,319
having a strike and a shutdown because.

1443
01:38:31,079 --> 01:38:33,119
Speaker 3: It's yeah, because that's legal, and you're thrown in jail

1444
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,479
or you'll be shot. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

1445
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:39,159
Speaker 2: Right, Well, where's sabotage? Right? Like, think about the average

1446
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:41,880
forward plant today? How many billions of dollars in humans

1447
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:45,720
are in capital? Is there at a Ford plant? You know,

1448
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:50,800
every robot's probably twenty five thirty forty thousand dollars or more.

1449
01:38:50,840 --> 01:38:53,319
Speaker 3: I have no idea, right, More like I've worked in

1450
01:38:53,319 --> 01:38:55,560
a machine shop, is my first job, and there was

1451
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,840
these machines that literally had been made in World War

1452
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,479
Two that were valued at like seventy five or one

1453
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,039
hundred thousand dollars. It's insane.

1454
01:39:03,119 --> 01:39:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead, And that was a number of years ago,

1455
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:09,520
so they're probably even more now. Right. So you talk

1456
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:14,600
about an army of labor, Well, armies can go towards

1457
01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,399
the other guy, or they can mutiny. And so like

1458
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:20,479
if your workforce mutinies and they destroy a bunch of

1459
01:39:20,520 --> 01:39:23,399
your styff or sabotage any of yourself, and it doesn't

1460
01:39:23,399 --> 01:39:25,640
even need to be much right, Like if if one

1461
01:39:25,680 --> 01:39:29,079
of your lathes is like a tenth degree of a

1462
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:32,159
degree out of spec, like every single part it puts

1463
01:39:32,239 --> 01:39:34,760
out is going to be wrong. And when you have

1464
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,159
to have tolerances of thousands of an inch in order

1465
01:39:37,279 --> 01:39:39,840
for something to work, like, think about how crazy it is.

1466
01:39:41,039 --> 01:39:42,760
It stuck with my friend sand Batch about this, Like

1467
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:45,680
if anyone understood what a car is, it's a It's

1468
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:53,640
a metal tube filled up with highly explosive, volatile gasoline

1469
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,319
and you light it on fire and you go down

1470
01:39:56,359 --> 01:40:02,439
the road at ninety miles an hour, Like like, that's crazy.

1471
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,159
And in order for that not to like just fall

1472
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:07,560
apart or or break, you have to, you know, you

1473
01:40:07,680 --> 01:40:10,239
have to have very tight tolerances. And we're not talking airplanes,

1474
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,199
which are even tighter, or you know, anything like that.

1475
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:15,479
This is just cars, and they have relatively loose tolerances

1476
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:18,119
compared to something like a airplane or let alone anything

1477
01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:24,479
involving space. So you've got these where everything has to

1478
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:25,199
be up to spec.

1479
01:40:29,399 --> 01:40:33,520
Speaker 3: I'll also add two talking about the labor situation and

1480
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:39,399
the radicalization of the laboring classes, as well as World

1481
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:45,000
War One and managing conflict at scale, you know, this

1482
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:49,039
kind of thing. Uh, it's like trying to ride some

1483
01:40:49,239 --> 01:40:52,520
out of control animal, like this idea that every step

1484
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:56,199
of the way the stuff can be controlled or that. Uh,

1485
01:40:57,399 --> 01:41:02,680
there's like discrete kind of temporal snapshots whereby if you're

1486
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:06,279
in an executive role, you can somehow put the brakes

1487
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:09,079
on things like that. Nonsense, Like these things get out

1488
01:41:09,079 --> 01:41:14,039
of control rapidly, and trying to trying to bring a

1489
01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:19,439
labor revolve under control or trying to end they're trying

1490
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:23,359
to bring a conflict to you know, to to cease fire,

1491
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,439
as was the case in like nineteen sixteen, ninety seventeen.

1492
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:32,399
That's that's almost impossible, you know, like once these things start,

1493
01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:35,000
they can't really be stopped. They have to run their course.

1494
01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:37,600
And I I mean that was the case if you're

1495
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:42,359
talking about if you're talking about uh, you know, some

1496
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,079
some some local lord in the fifteen hundreds, if you're

1497
01:41:48,079 --> 01:41:52,399
talking about a national state of eighty million people, you know,

1498
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,760
involved in a war that's rapidly becoming mechanized, you know,

1499
01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:00,760
where where twenty million men are mobilized fighting it. It's

1500
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:05,880
impossible to stop it, you know, And that's why uh,

1501
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:10,199
and there were there's in and and the leadership element

1502
01:42:10,319 --> 01:42:12,479
was uniquely ill suited to do that, you know. I

1503
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:14,199
mean the point again again is the reason why h

1504
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:18,720
Hitler actually personally hated very few people. I mean, he

1505
01:42:18,760 --> 01:42:22,439
wouldn't have gotten very far as and he certainly wouldn't

1506
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,319
become the most single powerful man in the world if

1507
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:29,800
he said around hating people. He hated the Kaiser Wilhelm

1508
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:34,239
and many many veterans did as they should have because

1509
01:42:34,279 --> 01:42:38,760
he was a piece of ship, and Holveg was was

1510
01:42:38,840 --> 01:42:42,920
the real Holveg and Franz Joseph and the Hasbury Empire

1511
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:46,399
were like the real heroes the central powers in my opinion.

1512
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,279
But and both of them understood that if if this

1513
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:52,119
war begins, that we won't be able to stop it,

1514
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,079
you know. I Meanwhile, the Kaiser was carrying on and

1515
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,319
with he was like some kind of money python character

1516
01:42:58,439 --> 01:43:00,960
or something. It's like oblivious to these things. I mean,

1517
01:43:01,039 --> 01:43:03,159
as we're like a lot of his counterparts, to be fair,

1518
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:09,840
across the continent. But you know, uh, the German Empire

1519
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,720
was a mixed system. It was, you know, the Bismarckian system.

1520
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:17,079
There was a genuine separation between state and government, but

1521
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:18,720
at the end of the day. I mean the Kaiser

1522
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:22,960
an ultimate war authority, you know, I mean people, the

1523
01:43:23,079 --> 01:43:28,000
general staff, the reichs Consler. You know, these these guys

1524
01:43:28,079 --> 01:43:30,560
had a lot of power, and they had independent power

1525
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,279
to negotiate within reason. But I mean it was in

1526
01:43:33,319 --> 01:43:35,800
the hands of the Kaiser, and like, if you got

1527
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,680
some if you got guys, you know, guys who were

1528
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:41,840
born in the mid nineteenth century who have been kind

1529
01:43:41,880 --> 01:43:45,960
of cloistered within palace walls, like both physically and conceptually,

1530
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:53,000
and a modern mechanized war is in their hands.

1531
01:43:53,399 --> 01:43:53,600
Speaker 2: Like that.

1532
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,520
Speaker 3: That's that's a nightmare, you know, I mean, that's part

1533
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:56,720
of it.

1534
01:43:58,039 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got you, we're talking. Hitler was born in

1535
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:09,279
eighteen and Mussolini was eighteen eighty three, I believe, right,

1536
01:44:09,359 --> 01:44:12,920
So they were young men when like the world had

1537
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:16,920
changed in a crazy fashion. But all the guys you'd mentioned,

1538
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:21,199
you know, the Kaiser was born in what eighteen fifty three,

1539
01:44:21,279 --> 01:44:23,199
I woant to say, I can't remember, but you know,

1540
01:44:23,359 --> 01:44:24,880
like the eighteen fifty Like he was an old man

1541
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:29,600
by nineteen fourteen, and he was a literal prince, right,

1542
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:34,600
so he's in this He's never had to work in

1543
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:38,079
industrial even the kings of France, who you know, quote

1544
01:44:38,119 --> 01:44:40,159
unquote worked for a living. They were taught a trade

1545
01:44:40,199 --> 01:44:43,039
as part of their regnal duties, right they were. They

1546
01:44:43,079 --> 01:44:46,319
were never taught like, okay, be careful, don't stick your

1547
01:44:46,359 --> 01:44:48,279
finger in this or lose an arm. Like that was

1548
01:44:48,359 --> 01:44:50,039
never a thing that any of these people ever had

1549
01:44:50,079 --> 01:44:50,439
to deal with.

1550
01:44:50,680 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 3: I think Joseph was an exception, and he was he

1551
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,600
was pussibly elderly by the honest of hostildes. But he

1552
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:01,479
Franz Joseph, he'd write a really fast, He slept on

1553
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:04,359
a military cot. He like would fore go a luxury.

1554
01:45:04,479 --> 01:45:06,840
He was a career soldier, like even when he was

1555
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,359
out of active service, like he'd still like, we're a

1556
01:45:09,479 --> 01:45:13,760
uniform every day. Like he didn't like having like regal finery.

1557
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:16,520
But yeah, go ahead, generally, Yeah, that's he was the

1558
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:17,760
exception that proves the rule.

1559
01:45:18,039 --> 01:45:20,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he's he's uh. There are people who want

1560
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:24,039
to canonize him, No one of Catholics particularly, who want

1561
01:45:24,079 --> 01:45:25,880
to canonize him because he was just such a He

1562
01:45:26,039 --> 01:45:28,319
tried so hard to stop this, you know, and as

1563
01:45:28,359 --> 01:45:30,079
you mentioned, like it had a momentum all its own

1564
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:33,039
where like no one could stop it. You know, like

1565
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:37,359
perhaps in nineteen thirteen, like if all the cousins had

1566
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:40,760
met and been like this is insane, Like if they'd

1567
01:45:40,800 --> 01:45:42,840
gotten together and perhaps done a demonstration like this is

1568
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:44,800
what a modern machine gun can do, and like had

1569
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:46,439
a bunch of cows in the field or something.

1570
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:51,520
Speaker 3: And that's that's critical too. Like after after Waterloo, there

1571
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,359
wasn't a real European war, Like there was the there's

1572
01:45:54,359 --> 01:45:58,680
the Franco Approaching War, which was like a which was

1573
01:45:59,079 --> 01:46:01,000
like an incredible and that's like we would put the

1574
01:46:01,039 --> 01:46:05,199
Prussians on the map, and there was there was the Crimea,

1575
01:46:05,319 --> 01:46:11,159
but the Crimea was like very much restricted to localize theaters.

1576
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:14,439
But there you know, there wasn't a real like modern war.

1577
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:18,000
There was guys and the guys who'd served the in

1578
01:46:18,319 --> 01:46:21,039
as mercenaries in the war between the States in America,

1579
01:46:21,319 --> 01:46:23,279
Like some of them tried to send the alarm bells

1580
01:46:23,319 --> 01:46:24,960
like look like this is going to be a slaughter.

1581
01:46:25,159 --> 01:46:29,159
But yeah, they people had no idea what like modern

1582
01:46:29,239 --> 01:46:31,560
WaRTeK was like because it had been a century since

1583
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:33,359
most people have been exposed that kind.

1584
01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:38,199
Speaker 1: Of thing, and everything had changed so much too. I mean, yeah,

1585
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,319
well that's one of the things I wanted to bring

1586
01:46:40,399 --> 01:46:44,119
up is you go from the Franco Prussian War to

1587
01:46:44,319 --> 01:46:47,319
World War One, which is less than fifty years and

1588
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:49,880
World War One you have planes that are flying around

1589
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:53,359
and they're dropping manually dropping bombs out of them, and

1590
01:46:53,479 --> 01:46:57,319
then just less than twenty years later, the Condor Legion

1591
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:01,720
is frigging lighting cities on fire and Spain. I mean,

1592
01:47:02,279 --> 01:47:07,960
how how do you not how does humanity and people

1593
01:47:08,239 --> 01:47:13,520
who are of a yeah, high culture thinking, people who

1594
01:47:13,560 --> 01:47:17,640
are looking towards the eternal and looking towards doing great things.

1595
01:47:18,079 --> 01:47:21,079
How are they not all over the place in trying

1596
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:24,520
to figure out an ideology when you in twenty years

1597
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,840
you go from oh, here I'm dropping a bomb out

1598
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:29,119
of a plane with my hand to I just let

1599
01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:30,119
garnic on fire.

1600
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah no, and things like and things like things like

1601
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,560
chemical warfare. I mean, it's not just like poison gas

1602
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,399
is disgusting and it's it's just like awful to contemplate.

1603
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:44,960
That's a that's a terrible way to die. But this

1604
01:47:45,159 --> 01:47:49,359
idea that you know, I can I can, I can

1605
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:53,000
fire poison at you, like well outside of visual range

1606
01:47:53,279 --> 01:47:59,479
through like indirect fire, you know, and uh, within seconds

1607
01:47:59,880 --> 01:48:02,600
you'll be like your lungs will shread to pieces and

1608
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:07,319
you'll die like choking on those pieces. Or you know,

1609
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:11,560
like you'll you'll scratch your you'll you'll you'll scratch some

1610
01:48:11,760 --> 01:48:14,840
sense of areas your body bloody, because like a blistering

1611
01:48:14,880 --> 01:48:18,920
agent is is is like tearing your skin apart, you know,

1612
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:20,600
like that kind of stuff. It's like something out of

1613
01:48:20,680 --> 01:48:23,399
like science fiction. That'd be like if guys went to

1614
01:48:23,479 --> 01:48:27,720
war tomorrow and like the Ivans or like the Koothies

1615
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,640
have like found a way to like launch like a

1616
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:32,000
xeno morse at you that like grab your face and

1617
01:48:32,079 --> 01:48:33,920
then like pop out of your chest. Like I mean,

1618
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,640
that's I'm being obtoos, but that's like what it would

1619
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:38,479
be like. But people just like what the fuck, you know,

1620
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:42,279
like I that I mean not like people were I mean,

1621
01:48:42,319 --> 01:48:45,800
people are habituated to violence, unfortunately, very much in those

1622
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:48,840
days of a non cool like noble sword. But stuff

1623
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:52,079
like that is just like the horrors of technology kind

1624
01:48:52,119 --> 01:48:53,199
of shit, I guess, is my point.

1625
01:48:55,319 --> 01:48:57,560
Speaker 2: Like the largest the Grand Army got was like six

1626
01:48:57,680 --> 01:48:59,720
hundred thousand people, and that was only very briefly, right,

1627
01:48:59,760 --> 01:49:03,680
and then like World War One, that's not even I mean,

1628
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,920
that's like casualties for a couple of months.

1629
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:16,319
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, the burn rate was unbelievable. And well,

1630
01:49:16,319 --> 01:49:20,640
it's also to some of the some of the exhipgencies

1631
01:49:20,680 --> 01:49:23,279
that emerge in game theory and like reach their zenith,

1632
01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:27,199
you know, by the final cycle of the Cold War,

1633
01:49:27,399 --> 01:49:31,319
where there's conditions of strategic parody and planning for nuclear

1634
01:49:31,439 --> 01:49:36,680
war fighting. You know, you're like you as commander of

1635
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:39,199
a or as part of the command element of strategic

1636
01:49:39,319 --> 01:49:44,279
nuclear forces, your charge of identifying potential war indicators, like

1637
01:49:44,359 --> 01:49:47,199
before the enemy has even started to act, arguably before

1638
01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:51,640
he even understands that conditions are moving towards war, you know,

1639
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,800
and then you know, you've got to be able to

1640
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:57,560
read those indicators and decide whether to like preemptively assault

1641
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:01,039
or not. Like stuff like that was though those kinds

1642
01:50:01,079 --> 01:50:05,760
of variables were already emergent in nineteen fourteen. And that's

1643
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:08,359
why I believe I agree with.

1644
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:10,359
Speaker 2: A. J. P.

1645
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:16,640
Speaker 3: Taylor When when the Russian Empire, when the Tsar gave

1646
01:50:16,680 --> 01:50:22,520
the order to mobilize, Russia had a two phase mobilization paradigm,

1647
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:27,199
and once it was implemented, Uh, even if the even

1648
01:50:27,319 --> 01:50:29,680
even if the Czar or I don't know, if the

1649
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,920
Russian Imperial Army had a general staff or not, whatever

1650
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:36,000
their command element was, even if hear them and put

1651
01:50:36,039 --> 01:50:42,520
the brakes on mobilization. You know, if if if the

1652
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:45,960
German Empire and the Hats were an empire like hadn't assaulted,

1653
01:50:46,279 --> 01:50:48,359
they would have been dead because they would like roll

1654
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,399
the dice and been like okay, well we'll not mobilize

1655
01:50:52,439 --> 01:50:56,279
and kind you know, taking like the tsar it like

1656
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,000
his word, but it's like if this is a war

1657
01:50:59,119 --> 01:51:04,239
ruse like we're you know, because you don't have force,

1658
01:51:04,279 --> 01:51:06,640
even if you have forces in being, and even if

1659
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:11,359
you have like a properly trained and outfitted like reserve

1660
01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:16,399
system of like able bodied men, they're not like sitting

1661
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:22,319
around mobilized, you know. So essentially it's the equivalent of

1662
01:51:22,359 --> 01:51:28,840
like deloping metaphorically speaking like well you're dueling opponent, like

1663
01:51:29,199 --> 01:51:30,880
it has its weapon trained on you.

1664
01:51:32,199 --> 01:51:32,319
Speaker 2: You know.

1665
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 3: So this head I'm sure people listening are gonna think

1666
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,840
I'm I'm being punitive and mean to the Russians. I'm not.

1667
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:42,560
There's not like a moral component here. I'm saying, like

1668
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:46,279
in causal terms, when when the Czar gave the order

1669
01:51:46,359 --> 01:51:50,279
to mobilize, forces. The die was cast. They couldn't be

1670
01:51:50,359 --> 01:51:54,720
stopped anymore. When a whole way approached the French at

1671
01:51:54,760 --> 01:51:57,680
the eleventh hour and begged them to stand down. If

1672
01:51:57,760 --> 01:52:02,640
they had done that, I think that that would have

1673
01:52:02,880 --> 01:52:06,079
that would have stayed the hand of the Russians, because uh,

1674
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,960
then they would have been fighting UH, they would have

1675
01:52:09,000 --> 01:52:12,239
been fighting both the German Empire and the Habsburgs on

1676
01:52:12,399 --> 01:52:14,760
like a single front, whereby like the bulk of both

1677
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:17,720
forces could be thrown at the Czar's army. But that's

1678
01:52:18,079 --> 01:52:22,680
that's a bit abstract. But yeah, that that's important to

1679
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,479
consider man and it plays. It also relates to to

1680
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:31,640
like I said, like like situational awareness, particularly as regards

1681
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:39,800
UH the window decision temporally, you know, as to responding

1682
01:52:39,880 --> 01:52:47,279
to UH world market conditions. There's a parallel not just

1683
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,279
not just a similar not in terms of similarity like

1684
01:52:50,359 --> 01:52:54,079
structural similarity, but there's a parallel and in terms of causality,

1685
01:52:54,560 --> 01:53:01,520
you know, between military and geopolitical CRISI and UH and

1686
01:53:02,399 --> 01:53:08,119
and economic events at scale, you know, and this is UH,

1687
01:53:08,760 --> 01:53:10,680
these are the things that really created kind of like

1688
01:53:10,840 --> 01:53:15,119
the late modern state, you know, like the managerial state,

1689
01:53:15,159 --> 01:53:20,680
if you will, as a, as James Burnham called it.

1690
01:53:22,199 --> 01:53:24,199
You know, like in some ways we're very fortunate. Man,

1691
01:53:24,319 --> 01:53:26,319
Like I'm not. I don't want to pontificate or dereal

1692
01:53:26,359 --> 01:53:30,000
the conversation, but I especially if you're old enough to

1693
01:53:30,039 --> 01:53:32,399
remember the Cold War. I mean I was like a

1694
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,840
little kid and like a very young team when the

1695
01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:37,760
Cold War was going on, but it was just something

1696
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:43,239
you lived with. People these days are like, are compared

1697
01:53:43,319 --> 01:53:47,000
to even forty years ago, or like unbelievably safe. That's

1698
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:49,520
why it's bizarre. The act like a bunch of hysterical

1699
01:53:49,560 --> 01:53:51,800
old women all the time, are scared of everything. It's like,

1700
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:54,920
what the fuck you talking about? Like compared to somebody

1701
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,960
one hundred or fifty or forty years ago, you're like

1702
01:53:58,079 --> 01:53:59,159
unbelievably safe.

1703
01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:01,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't mean, well, it's like.

1704
01:54:01,359 --> 01:54:03,760
Speaker 1: But but it's also like you say, Thomas, the US

1705
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:07,000
military is designed just to fight the Cold War. So

1706
01:54:07,279 --> 01:54:10,039
is our political so is our political thought. That's what

1707
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:13,560
we're taught. We're just I mean that our philosophy now

1708
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:17,399
is we're just continually fighting the Cold War. Everyone's an enemy,

1709
01:54:17,479 --> 01:54:20,079
everyone's out to get us. And then it's just come home.

1710
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:21,920
And now it's we're fighting the Cold War in our

1711
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,520
home on our on the home front.

1712
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:26,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, and you'd think that

1713
01:54:28,720 --> 01:54:32,119
like again, I you know, the first to admit, first

1714
01:54:32,119 --> 01:54:36,319
to emphatically state that history doesn't repeat itself. But when

1715
01:54:36,319 --> 01:54:39,640
you're talking about but I mean, human activity is basically

1716
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:43,039
like a closed uh loop. You know, like there's like

1717
01:54:43,119 --> 01:54:45,319
limited numbers of like outcomes, you know, and there's like

1718
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:49,359
there's like there's not like infinite variables like human behavior. Okay,

1719
01:54:49,399 --> 01:54:52,079
so there's like parallels. So if you're trying to you're

1720
01:54:52,119 --> 01:54:55,880
trying to like identify if you're trying to like identify

1721
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,479
potental course of action like in any given like emergent

1722
01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:04,239
scenario of a political nature, you know, you you do

1723
01:55:04,359 --> 01:55:06,640
go to the historical record like trying to find parallels.

1724
01:55:06,640 --> 01:55:09,039
I mean, like obviously particularly on things related to like

1725
01:55:09,279 --> 01:55:16,520
military questions. The it's really unprecedented for that that level

1726
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:19,399
like kind of structural sinility the way like America is,

1727
01:55:19,479 --> 01:55:22,560
it's like it's like total inability to like adapt after

1728
01:55:22,640 --> 01:55:27,039
November nineth, nineteen eighty nine, like Bush and Baker were adapting,

1729
01:55:27,399 --> 01:55:29,680
which is it is fascinating how like the deep state

1730
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:34,800
totally and completely sabotaged, like their vision moving forward to globalism.

1731
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:36,600
Like I'm not saying you got to think like Bush

1732
01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:38,640
was like a like Bush for one was like a

1733
01:55:38,760 --> 01:55:43,479
good guy or something, but surprise, what's that.

1734
01:55:44,439 --> 01:55:46,159
Speaker 2: His management at the end of the Cold War, how

1735
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:48,520
no one got nuked? Is I mean, like it's it's

1736
01:55:48,920 --> 01:55:52,199
really truly. Yeah, it's a remarkable uh diplomatic chievements.

1737
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:58,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Gulf War coalition that was uh, the Prussians

1738
01:55:58,319 --> 01:56:00,399
would envy that, like in terms of like how the

1739
01:56:00,439 --> 01:56:05,119
war was executed, but the way he he corralled literally uh,

1740
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,520
you know, the the Syrians, the Saudis, he had that

1741
01:56:09,600 --> 01:56:11,840
he had he had hid the Soviet Union which was

1742
01:56:11,920 --> 01:56:14,720
its final days then like sign off in the operation,

1743
01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:17,239
you know, like he had like he had a literal

1744
01:56:17,399 --> 01:56:20,800
like army of the nations like arrayed against Sadam. That's

1745
01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:25,399
that's completely insane. Like the guy was like a historical

1746
01:56:25,560 --> 01:56:28,279
giant of a US president in post war terms. Like

1747
01:56:28,359 --> 01:56:30,039
even if you don't like him, like some guy the

1748
01:56:30,079 --> 01:56:31,800
other day in the Internet was like, you know Bush

1749
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:34,319
forty one was he was what a gray man? Idiots,

1750
01:56:34,359 --> 01:56:36,439
I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like that,

1751
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:41,119
that's so like delusional, but but no, but the the

1752
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:44,079
total inability of the deep state to manage like the

1753
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:47,840
post Cold War environment, and it shows you like how

1754
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:52,039
like the rot was deep. Like even people this idea

1755
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:56,319
that like the Reagan era was like really based and

1756
01:56:56,399 --> 01:56:59,039
the government related shipped together. And don't get me wrong,

1757
01:56:59,119 --> 01:57:03,520
that cadre that that filled out the Bush forty one administration,

1758
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:08,239
like James Baker, Casser Weinberger, Laurence Evelberger, like a bunch

1759
01:57:08,279 --> 01:57:12,159
of these guys, Like those guys were like very serious guys,

1760
01:57:12,279 --> 01:57:17,000
especially Baker. Baker's somebody I really admire, Okay, but uh,

1761
01:57:18,119 --> 01:57:24,239
the wider kind of uh national security apparatus, it was

1762
01:57:24,279 --> 01:57:27,840
a bunch of goofs and and idiots, you know, like

1763
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:31,479
I mean, people who just couldn't handle you know, the

1764
01:57:32,439 --> 01:57:36,359
the changing of the guard figuratively and literally. And and

1765
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:38,840
then they didn't want the Cold War to end because

1766
01:57:38,960 --> 01:57:41,479
like they they were it was it was it was

1767
01:57:41,560 --> 01:57:43,199
like basically like a con to them. It was just

1768
01:57:43,239 --> 01:57:45,520
like a way of like you know, being able to

1769
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:50,439
kind of live off the public coffers and profit by

1770
01:57:50,520 --> 01:57:52,119
the ongoing threat of h.

1771
01:57:53,119 --> 01:57:57,159
Speaker 2: Of Don of war, Don Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney just yeah,

1772
01:57:57,239 --> 01:58:00,279
guys like that exactly. They just treated the being higher

1773
01:58:00,319 --> 01:58:03,199
thing like this existential struggle. And I'm I'm just old

1774
01:58:03,279 --> 01:58:06,680
enough to remember like the Cold War when it was

1775
01:58:06,720 --> 01:58:08,720
serious and I grew up next to, you know, a

1776
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:11,199
military base on the West coast, and so there were

1777
01:58:11,279 --> 01:58:13,760
times when I was a kid where like you know,

1778
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:17,039
the f sixteens would come screaming, you know, off their

1779
01:58:18,399 --> 01:58:20,479
off their base and like you know, you knew some

1780
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:21,680
serious ship was going down.

1781
01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 3: Or like when I was in elementary school, we'd still

1782
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:31,399
we'd have they called them by then, emergency drills, like euphemistically,

1783
01:58:32,079 --> 01:58:35,119
you know, like we'd have to we'd have to go

1784
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:38,399
to dates, like the bell would ring like three times

1785
01:58:39,359 --> 01:58:41,760
over and over again, and we'd have to like go

1786
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:45,920
single file to the lower level. And then you'd like

1787
01:58:46,439 --> 01:58:49,079
we're like that was was structure, the reasoning being like

1788
01:58:49,159 --> 01:58:53,720
it was structurally more robust, I guess, And like every

1789
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:56,560
classroom had like a number that was posted where like

1790
01:58:56,600 --> 01:58:58,319
you'd have to and like they for you like a

1791
01:58:58,399 --> 01:59:01,199
symbol and then like you get down on your hands

1792
01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:03,279
and knees and you duck and cover and like put

1793
01:59:03,319 --> 01:59:05,800
your head like against the wall and we have to

1794
01:59:05,880 --> 01:59:08,239
hold a position for thirty seconds. It was, oh, this

1795
01:59:08,399 --> 01:59:10,920
is the emergency, driel Yeah, well the only emergency you

1796
01:59:11,039 --> 01:59:15,800
do that in is nuclear war, okay, And so this, uh,

1797
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:19,199
I felt like slapping people. I mean even not just

1798
01:59:19,479 --> 01:59:21,880
not just I get kids a pass like young people,

1799
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:24,960
I mean people fuckers like my age and older. Like

1800
01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,279
when the COVID thing was everything, We've never faced a

1801
01:59:27,439 --> 01:59:29,199
threat like this. I'm like, what the fuck are you

1802
01:59:29,319 --> 01:59:33,279
talking about? Are you insane? You know, like I, I

1803
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:36,319
and every other kid in America grew up with the

1804
01:59:36,399 --> 01:59:40,800
reality you might become counter value attrician, you know. I mean,

1805
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:45,800
like it was the seasonal flu is like an existential menace,

1806
01:59:45,880 --> 01:59:50,319
unlike anything really like it's but that's that's a digression.

1807
01:59:51,119 --> 01:59:54,319
Speaker 2: Well it is I think a good illustration of just

1808
01:59:54,359 --> 01:59:58,560
how fundamentally unserious are our elite have become, Right, Like

1809
01:59:59,399 --> 02:00:02,039
I've talked about on Peacha before and everyone should check out,

1810
02:00:02,119 --> 02:00:05,960
like his series is Doctor Johnson on Twitter years together.

1811
02:00:06,000 --> 02:00:08,399
But like, fundamentally, this whole Ukraine thing is just because

1812
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,520
like a bunch of American neocons are still salty about

1813
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:15,319
the Hammannitsky program program from sixteen forty eight. I mean,

1814
02:00:15,600 --> 02:00:18,119
That's that's why the war in Ukraine is a thing, right.

1815
02:00:18,079 --> 02:00:23,000
Speaker 3: And I mean the tribe absolutely hates Russia. Like the

1816
02:00:23,319 --> 02:00:26,199
degree to which they hate Russia like can't be overstated,

1817
02:00:27,039 --> 02:00:31,720
like just anecdotally. I kind of like Ralph Bakshi, even

1818
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:34,439
though he's like a huge fucking Jew, like you know,

1819
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:38,000
the animator. He made this really interesting movie called American Pop,

1820
02:00:38,039 --> 02:00:40,800
and I really like that movie, and it's basically about

1821
02:00:40,840 --> 02:00:44,399
this family. It follows these four generations of these guys.

1822
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:47,359
Like one of them is like this vaudeville performer, Like

1823
02:00:47,439 --> 02:00:49,560
one of them is just like piano prodigy gets killed

1824
02:00:49,560 --> 02:00:51,680
in World War two. One of them is like this

1825
02:00:51,840 --> 02:00:54,439
songwriter's kind of like a cross between like Louied and

1826
02:00:54,560 --> 02:00:57,520
did Ramone who becomes like this huge heroin addict and

1827
02:00:57,640 --> 02:01:01,039
his son then becomes this like like uh, this like

1828
02:01:01,199 --> 02:01:04,479
huge rock star, you know, like in the nineteen eighties.

1829
02:01:04,520 --> 02:01:07,760
It's it's a cool movie, but it opens up where

1830
02:01:08,439 --> 02:01:12,039
the Cossacks are like programming like the Russian Jews, because

1831
02:01:12,079 --> 02:01:14,039
like even Ba actually used like this like New York

1832
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:16,359
City guy. He's like, oh, you know, the Russians are

1833
02:01:16,399 --> 02:01:19,199
like you know, they're doesn't have the Semitic bastards like that,

1834
02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:22,880
that's literally like their number one enemy. They fucking hate

1835
02:01:22,920 --> 02:01:26,479
the Russians and the Russians have no love for them.

1836
02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:30,359
But the Ukraine Wars complicated, it's it's in large measure

1837
02:01:30,359 --> 02:01:34,399
where it was returning the serve for the Russians and

1838
02:01:35,239 --> 02:01:40,399
Assad's forces, uh, levying a huge defeat against id F

1839
02:01:40,560 --> 02:01:45,239
and there and their tech fery proxies in Syria. Yeah, yeah,

1840
02:01:45,319 --> 02:01:47,439
but I mean it so yeah, like anybody, anybody doesn't

1841
02:01:47,479 --> 02:01:50,159
understand like the dynamic between the Russians and the Jews

1842
02:01:50,199 --> 02:01:54,039
as of people, like it's not in the game, right, Yeah, absolutely.

1843
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:56,760
Speaker 2: But but we're you know, we're dealing with right, both

1844
02:01:57,319 --> 02:02:01,000
both world wars start over like border disputes in Eastern

1845
02:02:01,039 --> 02:02:04,720
Europe that heavily involved Jews, right, and we're supposed to

1846
02:02:04,800 --> 02:02:08,680
just sit here and like be like this is fine

1847
02:02:09,000 --> 02:02:12,279
and and get more involved in like wait a minute,

1848
02:02:12,319 --> 02:02:16,279
didn't World War One start over a border dispute with Slavs?

1849
02:02:16,680 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 3: And well, just this idea too, I mean, just like

1850
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:23,439
the monumental ignorance like it made the point of people before,

1851
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:27,760
you know, like the American left, like guys like Peter

1852
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:31,479
Arnett and and the like, and in media especially. I mean,

1853
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:34,319
I thought those guys were terrible people, but there was

1854
02:02:34,439 --> 02:02:39,199
like a consistency to them, and you know they they

1855
02:02:39,359 --> 02:02:42,520
there there, there wasn't internal logic to like their perspective

1856
02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:46,439
like the American left now like they want to like

1857
02:02:47,640 --> 02:02:51,239
they they're basic a chewleading section for uh, for like

1858
02:02:51,319 --> 02:02:54,479
the warfare state. Like it's bizarre. These people are totally illerate,

1859
02:02:55,279 --> 02:03:01,399
you know, like uh like if the uh if you know,

1860
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it's like that scene in the movie Caligula, which is

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probably apocryphal, where it's like Caligula he he orders the

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roleman Allegiance to like assault the seed, to like conquer

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like Poseidon's kingdom or like Neptune, I guess his kingdom. Okay,

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Like if Joe Biden had like ordered like the US

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Marines wottack the Atlantic Ocean, like these fagats would have

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been like, yeah, we hate the Atlantic Ocean. They're like

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racist and stuff like like they're they're literally retarded, you know,

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like they they couldn't find Ukraine on a map, but

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they you know, it's like if you're gonna pretend to

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like care about some other country, Ukraine is literally it's

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it's a failed state in order of Somalia, like run

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by a literal like homicidal criminal mafia. It's like sitting

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around saying you love like Edia means Uganda, Like you know,

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it's like you really you love Ukraine, like you think

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like the Zelenski mafia is awesome, and it's like your

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idea of like a good government that then needs to

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be defended, like it's you can't, you can't make this

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ship off. These people are they're literally insane and they're

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literally retarded.

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Speaker 2: Well, and I mean, of course you're right, but this

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this notion that like individual rights or that a society

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where you're like weird devotion to transsexualism as a religious value,

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absolute personal autonomy to the point of of you know,

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like shedding male and female and you know, total liberation

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from any kind of that that's possible in any kind

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of society that actually functions, right. You know, these people

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will talk about like, well, you're a gender fascist, but

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because I think boys are boys and girls are girls,

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Like if if egalitarian rousey and liberalism leads you to

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the point where you think, like cross dressing is a

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major political issue as opposed to like a very weird,

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very niche fetish that should be you.

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, that's why you're like people I make that

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point of feel all the time. It's like, don't. It's

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like what the fuck you're doing, Like arguing with like

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sexual paraphilias. It's like there's all these people are insane,

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and those times that aren't insane, it's like they're they're

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basically like they're a making fun of you, and there

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be like running up you sabotage. You don't like engage

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people who like say crazy things. That's like arguing with

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some hobo on the subway with like shit in his pants,

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you know, like you don't. It's like I'm not gonna

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argue with these fucking people. You're like not just because

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I don't argue with my people's enemies. But it's like, yeah,

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it's like you just said, it's like if you're if

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if if what you believe is politics is like talking

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about like parrot sexual paraphilias, like uh, like I you know,

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traditionally like the remedy that would would would be a

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heavy shot.

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Speaker 2: Right and with good reason, right, like and this is

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this is why, this is why like you've seen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're I'm not going to advocate murdering people, but

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I'm also not going to argue with them and pretend

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like they have some position that deserves being heard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just enough younger than you. I think that

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like everyone, like I'm in my mid forties, so everyone

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younger than me, like has no coherent memory of like

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a coherent society. And why they're constantly talking about fascism

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and why the research engine interest today. And I think

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one of the great services you provide, Thomas, and I

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kudos and plaudits for this. You know, in the dark

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years in the seventies, eighties and nineties, when all the

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men who'd actually been there were dying of old age

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and they're or a few people like yourself, Mark Webber,

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a couple others who kept the light alive. Around twenty

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thirteen or so, it was the twenty twelve election where

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you know, you had like literally movie star, a handsome

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like Graying Temple's Mitt Romney, right, like you know, he's

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like the central casting Republican.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, he had great here, yeah, you know, like

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you know, well yeah.

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Speaker 2: Right, but but you know, Conservatism like they saw that

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like it had failed, like like we lost to Obama again.

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You know, like this guy obvious lightweight, probably a homosexual,

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like yeah, just an empty suit. And you know the

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O eight crisis he'd done nothing about, you know, done

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nothing with that, and you just give a tool of

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the banks.

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Speaker 3: And it was just also like this random guy like

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it didn't his cannas, he didn't make any sense. It's

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like if you were going to like if you're gonna

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take I'm dating myself as reference. But people remember J. C. Watts.

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He was this He was a Canadian football league jock,

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and he was kind of the Republican's token like black guy.

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He was just kind of like slick black dude who

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always like wore really nice suits, and he came up

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as kind of carnye you know, like oh I'm J. C.

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Speaker 2: Watts.

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Speaker 3: I'm like I'm like I'm like hands on him in

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like Hollywood terms, like polite black man. It's like, okay,

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if're gonna draft a guy like that and like make

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him and like install him as president, like okay, get it,

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or if you're gonna draft some like Spanish guy is

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like you know, this is like mister immigrant, like Spanish

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guy who like bootstrapped himself into success and like basically

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make his candidacy like a reality TV show. How are fake?

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Speaker 2: That was?

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, get that. It's like Obama. It's like,

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here's this random guy who's like from Hawaii. You know,

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we're gonna pretend he's from Chicago, and then we're gonna

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pretend he's black. Like the whole thing was like very random,

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straight and pretend he's right. Like yeah, but it made

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but it's like why. It's like, why are you gonna

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pretend he's black? Like why if you're gonna like, yeah,

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it's like either draft an actual black guy or make

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the narrative. He's just like, say, it's another world colored person.

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Like why it made no fucking sense. And that's also

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why the guy's like totally forgotten now because they had

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no context. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's yeah, he has he has CIA connections. That's why

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they ended up. But anyway, the thing that thing to

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think about, right is and this is where I came in.

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I came in and came into the movement about twenty

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years ago and after the failure of the Ron Paul Revolution,

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and you know, you really only are given these three alternatives, right,

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how do you deal with this? Mass society where millions

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of people are you know, turning wrenches in a car factory,

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or millions of people are you know, driving to and

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from work every day. Millions of people are you know,

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logging into the computers. Millions of people are doing all

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these things, and you know, the coherent alternatives are like

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capitalism as we know it, which is which has failed

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people my age and younger, like spectacularly. They can't afford houses,

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they can't get married, they can't save, they can't they

1985
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can't afford to live anywhere safe. They have to live

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in vans, like you know, that was a joke when

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we were a kid, you know, Chris Frowley and then

1988
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you live in a right, Yeah, well now that's like

1989
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that's like aspirational, like oh you live in a really

1990
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nice van down by the river. You know, Like wait

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a second, Like when I was a kid, this was

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like not a good thing, and now like it's all

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that you know, younger like older zoolers younger but literis

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can afford.

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Speaker 3: And so it's going on for a minute. I mean

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absolutely right when I was uh, when I was home

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was I mean like much of that was like my

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own fault. I'm not not saying that like conditions like

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mac or economic conditions made me homeless, but I'd meet

2000
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like other homeless people and a lot of them were, Yeah,

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they were like young guys and girls where they couldn't

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they literally couldn't afford rent or whatever or like I'm

2003
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certainly not a mortgage, and they had like fucked up

2004
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parents who basically threw them out. They were like or

2005
02:11:19,800 --> 02:11:22,079
were like shitheads who like wouldn't let them stay with

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them while they got on their feet, and it was

2007
02:11:24,119 --> 02:11:28,920
like eye opening. I'm like, wow, that's terrible, but uh right,

2008
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I'm gonna I'm gonna raise up and I'm gonna I

2009
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don't want to be abrupt, but I figure I've been

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going for an hour and I'm still kind of not

2011
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feeling great. We can take this up again sometime and

2012
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in the next few days or like in a week,

2013
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if you guys want to make this. And I'm going thin,

2014
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I think, I think.

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Speaker 2: It's been really great. But I just and I'm happy

2016
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to hear to listen to you talk anytime, but I

2017
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think it's important for the listener to realize, like, you know,

2018
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there's a reason like hardcore Bolsheviks. After the two thousand

2019
02:11:59,520 --> 02:12:02,079
and eight crisis, like did the Occupy Wall Street thing

2020
02:12:02,199 --> 02:12:04,159
and then it failed because they were obsessioned with like

2021
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:09,680
DEI stuff. And why the resurgence of influence, our interest

2022
02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:15,119
in in you know, fascist alternatives. Why why there's a

2023
02:12:15,159 --> 02:12:17,520
bunch of guys who are thirty years old and who

2024
02:12:17,640 --> 02:12:20,319
Stan Hitler is Because you've seen the same kind of

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02:12:20,359 --> 02:12:23,359
conditions that you know created the revolution in the first

2026
02:12:23,439 --> 02:12:28,279
place in Wymar, Like you know, there's hyperinflation and trainees

2027
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and like Jews are in charge.

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Speaker 3: And like, no, I think young people are awesome, Like

2029
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,199
not just because I mean, young people are the future.

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I mean that's who we should be focused on anyway.

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But young guys and girls generally, they're shit together. That's

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why I like, I don't like when people trash zoomers

2033
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because I mean, that's that's stupid anyway, and like a

2034
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shitty way to be. But zoomers have a lot of

2035
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they got a lot of uh dynamic energy and and

2036
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even like a lot of the zoomers on the left,

2037
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Like I was talking to some of these kids that

2038
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I ran across at the at the DNC protest and

2039
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like other places, and like a lot of them uh

2040
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they're kind of naive and in terms of their utopian concepts,

2041
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:16,640
but a lot of them are are kind of they

2042
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read you guys like a manual Vollerstein and they read

2043
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uh like they read serious left wing stuff and they

2044
02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:28,039
realize that, they realize that like pro regime like perverts,

2045
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like our pieces of shit and like they're their enemy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying it's great if kids read Marks

2048
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and Lenin, but I they're at least that's serious stuff.

2049
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It's not it's not it's not like regime pornography and

2050
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like bougie fucking garbage.

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Speaker 2: No, that's true. And I was talking with a friend today,

2052
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like the most depressed people in the world right now

2053
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and for probably the last fifty years at least, have

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been like indigenous Christians in Israel, in West Bank and Gaza, Palestine. Yeah,

2055
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and like to give those guys in the left at

2056
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least credit, they're they're at least serious about like these

2057
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people are oppressed and they're being murdered by the thousands

2058
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:17,039
by this regime. They might call a fascists, I might

2059
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call it. And there's some truth that because Jabatanski was

2060
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a fascist. Right Lil Coup found of the Lil Coup Party,

2061
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Like it's basically just stole Stoll Mussolini's notes and so.

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Speaker 3: We know leecudism is like it's like a prestiche of

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of of of all kinds of things that don't really

2064
02:14:33,239 --> 02:14:37,199
make sense and in the context is implemented. But yeah,

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it's no, there's uh, these are these are amazing times

2066
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and and things are incredibly I'm incredibly optimistic. And anybody

2067
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who's not doesn't anybody's not said they're like, uh, addicted

2068
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to their own addicted to like the stink of their

2069
02:14:53,479 --> 02:14:56,800
own failure and misery, or they're just like not engaged

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with you know, what's what's happening around them.

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Speaker 1: No, I think a lot of yeah, i'll help us,

2072
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I'll help us close out here. I think I think

2073
02:15:07,840 --> 02:15:11,359
just a lot of people too are their whole stick

2074
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:14,520
is nothing is going to ever get better, and that's

2075
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and they're just selling it and the other monetizing that.

2076
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So all right, let me let you guys, Let me

2077
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let you guys get out of here. Thomas, two plugs

2078
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and then d you can promote whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the best place to find me is on my substick.

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That's where all kinds of good stuff happens. It's a

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real Thomas seven seven seven. That's substick dot com. That's

2082
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I mean, that's the place to go. You can find

2083
02:15:44,359 --> 02:15:47,399
everything I do there, just hyperlinks and stuff to what

2084
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:53,239
else they do. My social media is all is at

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Capital R E A L underscore number seven h O

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M A S H seven seven seven And yeah, well

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we well we convene wherever you guys want and just

2088
02:16:05,039 --> 02:16:05,880
give me a couple of times.

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Speaker 2: Notice cool, d you got something, thank you for uh yeah,

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thanks for having me. Pete. I just have you know,

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at dutgun road dot com. So people are interested in

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And then of course you know, I'm privileged to be

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here once a month with Pete with the Hot Crime Syndicate,

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So please give that a listen and I'll do my

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standard design off of like you know, go to Freeman

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and on the wall slash support kick Pete a few bucks.

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It's you know, he does so much work behind the scenes, folks,

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like he helps so many people, you know, not just me,

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02:16:45,959 --> 02:16:48,879
not just Thomas, but but dozens of people all the time.

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And so please support the people that don't lie to you.

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You know, all of us work pretty hard at this

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spare it helps a lot. So thank you.

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Speaker 1: All right, thanks lot, guys, have a good night. I

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want to welcome everyone back to the Peking Jona Show.

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So the interesting thing about this episode is this episode

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is a year late. We had this episode planned for

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02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:20,079
July thirteenth of last year, and then something really weird

2112
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happened in Pennsylvania, Butler, Pennsylvania, and we ended up talking

2113
02:17:24,799 --> 02:17:29,760
about that, and well, what better time than on the

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02:17:29,840 --> 02:17:36,239
year anniversary to revisit the subject of the infrastructure of

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the NSDAP and Germany of nineteen thirty of the nineteen thirties,

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02:17:43,479 --> 02:17:48,920
and yeah, especially as our infrastructure is crumbling around us. So, Thomas,

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how are you doing today?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm doing pretty well. Man. Thanks for including me.

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Speaker 1: Coolde, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, man. It's always a pleasure to beyond with you,

2121
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:01,479
and always a pleasure to beyond with Tom. I've learned

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02:18:01,520 --> 02:18:05,239
with some guys. Man, the college classes every single one

2123
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of your guys, the series or a series of college lectures.

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It really is fantastic.

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Speaker 3: And that's a great problem. And thank you.

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02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:15,959
Speaker 1: See this is this is your subject, man, this is

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02:18:16,000 --> 02:18:18,799
your idea. I'm just getting interject to ask questions. Why

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02:18:18,799 --> 02:18:21,360
don't you take off and go where you want to go?

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I'll try to try to keep the

2130
02:18:23,719 --> 02:18:29,040
autism to a minimum here. But just as a brief aside,

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I'll give you a brief sketch. The road network in

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Europe wasn't as good as it was in the time

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02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:46,879
of the Five Good Emperors again until like the late

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02:18:47,040 --> 02:18:56,360
nineteenth century and McAdam invented his mcadamization asphalt paving process.

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And I want to say, like eighteen thirty. So a

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man like a road network where nothing is paved or

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hardly anything is paved, and only like cities might have cobblestones,

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and maybe maybe maybe like major highways between say like

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Rome and Ostia might be paved. But that's not normal now.

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I mean, like you can get like lightly laden carts

2141
02:19:24,360 --> 02:19:29,399
and stuff, you know, to and front places, but really

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like in order to keep the road from training into

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02:19:31,920 --> 02:19:34,719
like a mud bog, you gotta pave it to keep

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02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:41,719
the water off. And the most efficient way to transport

2145
02:19:41,760 --> 02:19:43,760
to anything is of course via water, which is why

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02:19:43,799 --> 02:19:48,280
Germany is richer than Italy, because Italy has one real

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02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:52,680
river valley, the po in the north and it and

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02:19:53,319 --> 02:19:57,239
it outflows into Venice, which is you know, a decent

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02:19:57,319 --> 02:20:00,799
port only because of the heroic efforts of the Venetians themselves. Right,

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02:20:00,879 --> 02:20:06,399
it's normally very swampy and not a difficult or a

2151
02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:08,719
very difficult place to make it a living. Only the

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02:20:08,799 --> 02:20:12,719
heroic efforts of the Venetians have made it someplace prosperous

2153
02:20:12,719 --> 02:20:17,159
and liveable. And you know, France has got six huge

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02:20:17,920 --> 02:20:21,959
river valleys. Basically, nowhere in the UK or nowhere in

2155
02:20:22,040 --> 02:20:27,040
England itself is more than twenty five miles from water

2156
02:20:27,399 --> 02:20:31,479
from from like a port that'll get to get to water.

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So that's why those two countries were in Germany were

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02:20:34,559 --> 02:20:37,319
the most prosperous countries in Europe. You know, Spain only

2159
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:41,479
has the Ebro. So in a world where like heavy

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transport has to be done via water basically because the

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roads aren't up to it, Like how do you develop internally? Right,

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02:20:49,079 --> 02:20:54,479
in Germany, it'd only been united since what eighteen seventy one,

2163
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was that I want to say seventy nine, right, okay,

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eighteen seven, So like like four years after uncle is born,

2165
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is you know, like you know is or four years before? Right?

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Speaker 3: Like this is not all right?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I was thinking Musolini? Right? So yeah, So

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you know Musolini's born in eighteen eighty three, right, he's

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only thirteen years before is when Italy was was was

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again a whole political entity. And you know Hitler was

2171
02:21:29,600 --> 02:21:32,879
only like ten years before Hitler was born was when

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02:21:32,959 --> 02:21:39,200
Germany became a whole nation again. So you have these

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what had been you know, how do you how do

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you integrate like the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies road

2175
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network into the Papal States road network, into the City

2176
02:21:49,760 --> 02:21:53,920
states and the North road network. You know, do you

2177
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have the same standards in Bavaria and Pomerania? How does

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that work? So you've got this huge coordination problem that

2179
02:22:02,559 --> 02:22:08,600
takes forever to figure out. And at least in the

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02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:12,600
Holy Roman Empire, a big part of what made like

2181
02:22:12,959 --> 02:22:17,360
little baronies economically viable was their traditional right to tax.

2182
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So you'd have these locks all along this river network

2183
02:22:20,079 --> 02:22:23,959
in Germany where you know, this barren of this one

2184
02:22:24,079 --> 02:22:27,479
little spot would charge a toll. There's this massive increase

2185
02:22:27,719 --> 02:22:30,600
in internal costs, you know, just shipping something down the rhine,

2186
02:22:30,959 --> 02:22:32,600
there'd be a stop here, and a stop here and

2187
02:22:32,639 --> 02:22:38,559
a stop here. So improving the transportation network and essentially

2188
02:22:38,719 --> 02:22:41,200
internal free trade right like what List says, right, internally

2189
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:45,920
free trade and development allows you to greatly decrease your

2190
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:51,879
transportation costs, your friction right and allows you to ship

2191
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:58,200
things over land between rail which is ten times more

2192
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efficient than roads. That's why the nineteenth century was the

2193
02:23:03,840 --> 02:23:09,200
century of just railroad mania, right the United States, Germany, France,

2194
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:14,840
the UK, all over the place. Rail was the name

2195
02:23:14,879 --> 02:23:18,399
of the game. But that rail network that built out

2196
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:23,000
of the rail network allowed you to build out the

2197
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road network because your transportation costs for things like I

2198
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don't know, gravel all of a sudden drop by fifty

2199
02:23:32,479 --> 02:23:34,959
sixty seventy eighty percent when you can throw it on

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02:23:35,040 --> 02:23:37,479
a train, and just.

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Speaker 3: As the quick aside.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that the British wanted to do

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02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:46,479
when they when they roprat about purposes, won the Scramble

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02:23:46,559 --> 02:23:51,440
for Africa. They wanted to build a railroad that started

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02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:55,159
in North Africa and ended at the cap. So basically,

2207
02:23:55,239 --> 02:23:58,879
like they wanted to have like a trans Siberian railroad

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02:23:59,040 --> 02:24:04,319
that like spanned Africa, which is totally insane, but it

2209
02:24:04,360 --> 02:24:07,040
would have been it probably would have been viable, man,

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02:24:07,079 --> 02:24:09,479
if they could have held it, you know, and if

2211
02:24:09,520 --> 02:24:15,600
they hadn't detonated their own orcus. Yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's actually part of the you bring it up.

2213
02:24:18,360 --> 02:24:21,440
But like there was a conflict with the Portuguese because

2214
02:24:21,479 --> 02:24:26,760
the Portuguese had Angola and Mozambique, right, and they wanted it.

2215
02:24:26,959 --> 02:24:33,000
They wanted a trans African railway to control their they're

2216
02:24:33,360 --> 02:24:35,719
holdings on the east and west coast and the British

2217
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:38,719
one of theirs going north south. And they almost got it.

2218
02:24:38,799 --> 02:24:42,479
I mean, I can't remember they actually finished the African railroad.

2219
02:24:42,159 --> 02:24:47,239
Speaker 3: Or not, but yeah, that was that was Cecil Roads big.

2220
02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:49,559
That was his big ambition, you know. And in some

2221
02:24:49,680 --> 02:24:52,719
ways Roads Roads kinda reminds me of Blackjack Pershing in

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02:24:52,799 --> 02:24:57,840
some ways, I mean, I I think, I mean, obviously

2223
02:24:57,959 --> 02:25:00,239
roads is more roads at a certain time. If he

2224
02:25:00,360 --> 02:25:02,840
was one of these he was one of these kinds

2225
02:25:02,840 --> 02:25:07,559
of imperialist characters that came up through the Crown charter

2226
02:25:08,360 --> 02:25:14,319
system of wealth management and adventurism. I mean, person was

2227
02:25:14,440 --> 02:25:17,680
very much you know, like kind of a a logistics

2228
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:21,920
and engineering genius and a very effective combat commander. But yeah,

2229
02:25:22,040 --> 02:25:26,079
these guys are really extraordinary in terms of their in

2230
02:25:26,200 --> 02:25:29,239
terms of their intellect.

2231
02:25:31,399 --> 02:25:35,760
Speaker 2: Well, and that that leads us to if he hadn't

2232
02:25:35,760 --> 02:25:40,959
had died in an untimely fashion. I don't know what

2233
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:44,079
your personal opinion of Fritz tot is, Thomas, but I

2234
02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:47,719
am a massive admirer of total personally.

2235
02:25:48,959 --> 02:25:55,319
Speaker 3: Doctor and he and Helmar Shocked. Helmar Shocked is a

2236
02:25:55,399 --> 02:26:01,760
reason why the UK delegation to the Internetional Military Treatbunal

2237
02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:05,920
basically intervened and said, you know, you're you're gonna cut

2238
02:26:05,959 --> 02:26:09,680
this man loose because we need him. You know, Toad

2239
02:26:09,879 --> 02:26:15,399
was much more a patriot than Shocked was. But Toad

2240
02:26:15,479 --> 02:26:21,520
and Helmer Shocked were responsible for the uh, the economy

2241
02:26:21,520 --> 02:26:24,239
of the German Reich becoming what it was, and in

2242
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:31,159
terms of such that such that centrally planned efforts. I mean,

2243
02:26:31,200 --> 02:26:33,879
all banking systems are gonna be somewhat centralized, Okay, I

2244
02:26:33,959 --> 02:26:37,040
mean like that that's not an ethical question, it's a

2245
02:26:37,319 --> 02:26:40,000
it's just reality. But yeah, I think they're they're they're

2246
02:26:40,040 --> 02:26:47,079
both personages who are essential understanding the uh the economics

2247
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:49,959
of the German Reich. And they were both you know,

2248
02:26:50,120 --> 02:26:56,399
towering intellects and in different aspects of macroeconomic praxie definitely.

2249
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:59,959
Speaker 2: So for those of you who don't know, doctor Fritz

2250
02:27:00,079 --> 02:27:03,399
Tote was the head of organization Tote, which was the

2251
02:27:04,440 --> 02:27:07,559
police Thomas correct my pronunciation because I'm terribout this sort

2252
02:27:07,559 --> 02:27:11,360
of thing. And he was succeeded by Albert Speer, who

2253
02:27:11,440 --> 02:27:16,879
is the guy who uh designed the Volkshall but ultimately

2254
02:27:16,959 --> 02:27:21,840
turned trader and after the war and and a low

2255
02:27:21,920 --> 02:27:28,959
opinion of that anyway, doctor Tote goes to uh, you

2256
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:31,600
know technically University of Munich and gets gets a pH

2257
02:27:31,719 --> 02:27:39,639
d in uh civil engineering on on effectively paving roads.

2258
02:27:40,600 --> 02:27:44,360
And he is the one who's responsible for the audubon

2259
02:27:45,159 --> 02:27:48,440
for the Atlantic Wall from for for honestly most of

2260
02:27:48,959 --> 02:27:59,200
you know, the Third Reich's construction projects. He was the inspector.

2261
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:01,840
Jennifer watered End is the right a minister for armaments munitions.

2262
02:28:01,879 --> 02:28:04,920
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that was the key. That's what I mean.

2263
02:28:04,959 --> 02:28:09,120
The key really played was as armaments minister, you know,

2264
02:28:09,319 --> 02:28:13,280
in terms of the war effort and and some of

2265
02:28:13,319 --> 02:28:19,639
these projects that were essential to national defense. To be

2266
02:28:19,719 --> 02:28:23,000
clear about the Autobon too, this kind of mass highway

2267
02:28:23,239 --> 02:28:28,600
system I raised Pershing because you know, Pershing was Eisenhower

2268
02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:31,799
was a disciple of Pershing, and that's basically where he

2269
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:35,879
inherited the idea for what became the interstate system, and

2270
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:39,200
like a mass highway system, among other things, on a

2271
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:43,639
continent sized scale, you needed to be able to deploy

2272
02:28:44,360 --> 02:28:48,280
forces and being an event of general war, and that

2273
02:28:48,399 --> 02:28:50,799
was one of the reasons for the you know, the

2274
02:28:50,879 --> 02:28:54,360
Eisenhower Expressway system. You know, it's that you can deploy

2275
02:28:54,520 --> 02:29:02,520
east and west rapidly. And the Autobon obviously when Rice

2276
02:29:02,600 --> 02:29:07,200
Commissary at Moscow then was realized, you know it had

2277
02:29:07,239 --> 02:29:10,760
the Soviet Union been defeated and assimilated into the Greater

2278
02:29:10,840 --> 02:29:15,639
German Reich, you know, the the the Autobahn was going

2279
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:19,120
to go from Spain to the Earls.

2280
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:24,639
Speaker 2: You know, probably even by call really, I mean, why not?

2281
02:29:24,959 --> 02:29:31,159
Why not? No? I think it's it's important to realize that,

2282
02:29:32,920 --> 02:29:39,959
like the the US interstate system is directly Eisenhower got

2283
02:29:39,959 --> 02:29:41,559
to Europe, got to Germany and was like, wow, these

2284
02:29:41,639 --> 02:29:45,440
roads are fantastic and basically just stole the plans.

2285
02:29:46,280 --> 02:29:49,600
Speaker 3: And the.

2286
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:55,280
Speaker 2: Early the early days of World War One, with all

2287
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:59,280
the mobilizations and all the difficulties and the logistical problems

2288
02:29:59,360 --> 02:30:04,680
right of feeding people were so ingrained in the German

2289
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:07,120
people that they just didn't want that sort of thing

2290
02:30:07,159 --> 02:30:11,600
to happen again. And by building this network of really

2291
02:30:11,639 --> 02:30:16,879
good highways, you could distribute the food. You know, if

2292
02:30:17,159 --> 02:30:20,239
one section is bombed out, you could rebuild that and

2293
02:30:20,319 --> 02:30:22,760
have and route the food around. So the problem with

2294
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:26,440
the rail is it's way more efficient in terms of

2295
02:30:27,600 --> 02:30:30,760
how much energies needed to move you know, a ton

2296
02:30:30,799 --> 02:30:35,520
of stuff from point A to point B, but you

2297
02:30:35,639 --> 02:30:38,920
messed that one switching yard or that one track up,

2298
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:43,079
and you know the line is cut. Whereas a road.

2299
02:30:45,559 --> 02:30:49,159
Speaker 3: Compatibility too of the rail gauge and stuff causes issues.

2300
02:30:50,239 --> 02:30:52,600
I just wanted to see you real quick too. I've

2301
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:55,159
got almost nothing nice to say as much Spear, but

2302
02:30:57,319 --> 02:31:00,760
some of his design concepts, I think we're pretty brilliant.

2303
02:31:01,520 --> 02:31:06,479
And one of the things he insisted upon and that

2304
02:31:06,639 --> 02:31:11,319
the Fear very much approved of locally. Spears said that,

2305
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:15,360
you know, we need to source materials locally as much

2306
02:31:15,360 --> 02:31:19,440
as possible in building the Autobond, you know, so we

2307
02:31:19,520 --> 02:31:23,440
need to incorporate natural features into things like bridges, so

2308
02:31:23,639 --> 02:31:26,520
you know, like in a section of the Autobond that

2309
02:31:27,079 --> 02:31:29,440
you know, like stretches through the Ryan Land or whatever is,

2310
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:33,239
you know, gonna gonna reflect the natural environment there and

2311
02:31:33,319 --> 02:31:36,719
like the local ecology, you know, like ditto for you know,

2312
02:31:38,079 --> 02:31:41,959
East Prussia and what have you, and a lot of

2313
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:47,200
these this had really great optics, you know, and that

2314
02:31:47,559 --> 02:31:55,079
that can't really as an imperative priority to the German

2315
02:31:55,239 --> 02:31:58,200
roy get you know, the highest levels that can't be

2316
02:31:58,280 --> 02:32:01,520
over sedated. I mean, Hitler was an artist. That's one

2317
02:32:01,559 --> 02:32:03,920
of the things he had in common with Spear. I mean,

2318
02:32:05,079 --> 02:32:09,600
you know, Hitler's primary interest was architecture and things, you know,

2319
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:12,040
in Spear obviously was kind of a pure architect. I

2320
02:32:12,120 --> 02:32:14,479
mean he had he had keep I mean I stipulated,

2321
02:32:14,520 --> 02:32:18,360
he had capabilities you know that were remarkable.

2322
02:32:18,840 --> 02:32:20,440
Speaker 2: As an architect, he was a genius.

2323
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

2324
02:32:22,520 --> 02:32:26,120
Speaker 2: As a political soldier, he left a fair even.

2325
02:32:25,959 --> 02:32:28,319
Speaker 3: It's a cynic. I mean I think he Spears the

2326
02:32:28,399 --> 02:32:33,239
kind of guy who you know, he he finds a

2327
02:32:33,239 --> 02:32:37,520
way to win, insinuate himself around powerful men and impressed them,

2328
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:40,680
and he doesn't care about the politics, and he will

2329
02:32:40,719 --> 02:32:43,600
do it about face as soon as it becomes expedient

2330
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:43,879
to do.

2331
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:50,280
Speaker 2: So, you know which, which, Yeah, so doctor Tutt, right,

2332
02:32:50,399 --> 02:32:56,200
he dies in a plane crash. He himself won the

2333
02:32:56,559 --> 02:33:00,559
Iron Cross under the German Empire in the First World War. So,

2334
02:33:02,280 --> 02:33:10,959
but the internal road network of Germany, I mean they're

2335
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:15,760
still using the same autobahn that Fritz Todt built in

2336
02:33:15,959 --> 02:33:21,719
like nineteen thirty eight, right, And not only was it

2337
02:33:21,799 --> 02:33:27,040
a massive internal improvement project, but it's one of the

2338
02:33:27,079 --> 02:33:29,360
ways that you know that the Reike was able to

2339
02:33:33,159 --> 02:33:36,760
to kill unemployment in the Reike was just they didn't

2340
02:33:36,879 --> 02:33:41,479
have trucks, you know. I mean the SS was invading Germany,

2341
02:33:41,799 --> 02:33:44,959
or not invading Germany, invading invading Russia with mules and

2342
02:33:44,959 --> 02:33:50,120
stuff because they didn't have enough trucks, well, because they

2343
02:33:50,120 --> 02:33:52,360
didn't have the earth moving equipment. Because they didn't have

2344
02:33:53,799 --> 02:33:59,680
enough trucks. A lot of this construction got done by hand, right,

2345
02:33:59,799 --> 02:34:03,440
and you had large gangs of laborers that were relatively

2346
02:34:03,520 --> 02:34:08,200
low skilled, but they get told like dig this out

2347
02:34:08,319 --> 02:34:12,360
till it you know this, this slope matches here, and

2348
02:34:12,479 --> 02:34:16,040
you could you can have lots of guys using picks

2349
02:34:16,200 --> 02:34:19,239
and shovels and stuff, and you can build this road

2350
02:34:19,319 --> 02:34:24,079
network internally. That enabled you know, the Germans to shift

2351
02:34:24,200 --> 02:34:32,520
entire divisions from east to west relatively quickly. And in

2352
02:34:32,680 --> 02:34:36,520
terms of you know, building the German economy, right, if

2353
02:34:36,559 --> 02:34:42,399
you're if you're shipping costs go down by I saw

2354
02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:47,120
something by the time they were done taking something from

2355
02:34:47,200 --> 02:34:51,959
the port at Hamburg to Munich, the cost to drop

2356
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:54,360
by like something like twenty five percent. I want to say,

2357
02:34:56,440 --> 02:35:00,520
but that that could just be so that's tickling the

2358
02:35:00,559 --> 02:35:02,680
back of my brain. But if you're if your costs

2359
02:35:02,959 --> 02:35:07,559
going from Hamburg to Munic go that far down, right,

2360
02:35:07,959 --> 02:35:14,840
that's that's obviously a massive Just go to the internal economy, right,

2361
02:35:14,879 --> 02:35:17,920
there's gonna be more jobs once you're if you're no

2362
02:35:18,040 --> 02:35:20,479
longer working on like the Tuck Gang, right, or you

2363
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:25,760
maybe you take those construction skills you learned building they

2364
02:35:26,200 --> 02:35:31,079
the uh building the roads to other projects, which is

2365
02:35:31,120 --> 02:35:34,079
what how they ended up with the Atlantic Wall and

2366
02:35:34,520 --> 02:35:37,879
you know like the Channel Islands forts and all of

2367
02:35:37,959 --> 02:35:40,920
these other Internet line Yeah, the six Freed line right

2368
02:35:41,000 --> 02:35:45,600
like much later. Yeah, but right, you have all these

2369
02:35:45,680 --> 02:35:51,040
experienced personnel and you know, before they call we were

2370
02:35:51,079 --> 02:35:57,440
talking right the notion that like, oh you know, it's socialism.

2371
02:35:57,520 --> 02:36:00,440
They're they're using the government to build all these projects.

2372
02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:05,200
Does anybody really think that like a Bechtel or a

2373
02:36:05,319 --> 02:36:08,799
Conico Phillips or a GM or really a private company.

2374
02:36:10,159 --> 02:36:14,000
Speaker 3: Let's also the whole point. I mean, the reason why,

2375
02:36:15,399 --> 02:36:21,040
the reason why the one thing that the Warsaw Pact

2376
02:36:21,120 --> 02:36:24,879
excel at was in military hardware, you know, and things

2377
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:29,600
like space fearing vehicles is because obviously, like the spontaneous

2378
02:36:29,680 --> 02:36:34,479
ordering of the price mechanism isn't essential to like building

2379
02:36:34,520 --> 02:36:38,040
a good tank, and you don't require I mean, I

2380
02:36:38,079 --> 02:36:40,719
don't even know what those inputs would be. Like we're gonna,

2381
02:36:41,479 --> 02:36:44,040
you know, we're gon, we're gonna but we're gonna accept

2382
02:36:44,200 --> 02:36:47,600
bids on who can like build the best auto bond,

2383
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:50,120
and then we're gonna take a hands off approach however

2384
02:36:50,200 --> 02:36:53,200
they want to devise it. I mean, like, I yeah,

2385
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:59,159
that doesn't make any sense. And all uh, all capitalism

2386
02:36:59,319 --> 02:37:04,159
and the industrial era is state capitalism. So yeah, it's

2387
02:37:04,239 --> 02:37:07,200
neither here nor there to suggest that there's this like

2388
02:37:07,399 --> 02:37:11,719
public private distinction. We're talking about fixed capital definitely.

2389
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:19,159
Speaker 2: I think that as you built, you can completely crazy.

2390
02:37:19,159 --> 02:37:23,159
There is no such thing as like particularly things like

2391
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:26,440
roads or canals or anything like that, right, Like the

2392
02:37:26,559 --> 02:37:28,760
notion that like, oh, this is a private enterprise, Like.

2393
02:37:28,760 --> 02:37:29,520
Speaker 3: No, it's not, it's not.

2394
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:33,120
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that the libertarians get completely,

2395
02:37:33,399 --> 02:37:37,319
completely wrong. The free market is going to build you know, this,

2396
02:37:37,639 --> 02:37:41,000
this highway system. Something you talked about earlier, Thomas, is

2397
02:37:41,360 --> 02:37:46,639
the aesthetics. Right. I have a quote from from Hitler

2398
02:37:46,760 --> 02:37:50,319
somewhere from I think it's from the book Hitler's Engineers,

2399
02:37:50,360 --> 02:37:54,520
But he said, you know, our roads have to be

2400
02:37:54,559 --> 02:38:00,319
beautiful and as they reflect us as a people. And

2401
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:10,879
I'm paraphrasing here, the the Autobahn as envisioned by Hitler

2402
02:38:10,959 --> 02:38:15,200
and Tote reflects that German artistic soul that's very ordered

2403
02:38:15,319 --> 02:38:19,280
but also has this kind of longing for beautiful things

2404
02:38:20,000 --> 02:38:26,799
and harmony. Yeah. Yeah, but the interstate highway system in America,

2405
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:30,600
particularly as you get west of the Mississippi, is the

2406
02:38:30,639 --> 02:38:36,079
most brutal, utilitarian like just like massive project you've ever

2407
02:38:36,159 --> 02:38:38,559
seen in your life, right, And.

2408
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:42,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're out ninety four through town is not beautiful.

2409
02:38:42,159 --> 02:38:46,920
Speaker 2: Right, Well, And the reason it's not right is because

2410
02:38:48,120 --> 02:38:52,399
the Reich was using mostly hand labor and what what lecurists.

2411
02:38:52,440 --> 02:38:55,280
Explosives they did have had to be saved either for

2412
02:38:55,399 --> 02:39:00,879
wartime or for something where like you're a whole a

2413
02:39:00,959 --> 02:39:04,680
tunnel or something right, or clearing canal. So they just

2414
02:39:04,760 --> 02:39:07,879
didn't have the you know, the massive amount of explosive

2415
02:39:08,360 --> 02:39:11,280
and the personnel to use it. It just willing nearly

2416
02:39:11,319 --> 02:39:11,719
the way.

2417
02:39:12,799 --> 02:39:16,120
Speaker 3: They're really fancyated me. There's this book called Hitler in

2418
02:39:16,200 --> 02:39:19,639
the Power of Aesthetics by this guy named Frederick Spots

2419
02:39:21,159 --> 02:39:28,120
and Spear designed and built a lot of these projects

2420
02:39:30,000 --> 02:39:33,639
with an eye for what was called ruined value, you know,

2421
02:39:33,760 --> 02:39:36,479
and that's that's why the Germans had certain ideas about

2422
02:39:37,239 --> 02:39:42,719
you know, discrete building materials like feral concrete, because the

2423
02:39:42,840 --> 02:39:46,440
ethos was, we've got to think about three thousand years

2424
02:39:46,520 --> 02:39:49,440
from now, you know, we we've got we've got to

2425
02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:53,719
have our great works leave ruins, you know, like that

2426
02:39:53,959 --> 02:39:58,920
of the Valley the Kings in Cairo, or like the Parthenon,

2427
02:39:59,520 --> 02:40:04,120
or like the Aliseum. You know, this is a deliberately

2428
02:40:04,319 --> 02:40:09,360
historical enterprise that spams millennium, you know, and that's that

2429
02:40:09,559 --> 02:40:12,959
underlies you know, very much like the ethos of the right,

2430
02:40:13,040 --> 02:40:14,520
and I find that very compellent.

2431
02:40:15,000 --> 02:40:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And just to give you an idea

2432
02:40:18,040 --> 02:40:21,239
of why that's actually better to elaborate here for a second.

2433
02:40:21,319 --> 02:40:26,879
So the United States after nineteen forty seven, right has

2434
02:40:28,319 --> 02:40:34,559
effectively what is unlimited manpower, unlimited expertise, unlimited resources. And

2435
02:40:34,680 --> 02:40:40,000
so they build out the federal highway system and they

2436
02:40:40,159 --> 02:40:43,559
just make it straight because that's the most efficient. And

2437
02:40:43,639 --> 02:40:46,159
if there's a little hill in the way, they'll just

2438
02:40:46,239 --> 02:40:47,639
throw a bunch of dynamite. They've got a bunch of

2439
02:40:47,680 --> 02:40:48,680
guys who did demo.

2440
02:40:48,520 --> 02:40:48,840
Speaker 3: In the war.

2441
02:40:48,920 --> 02:40:53,280
Speaker 2: They can absolutely, you know, just just blast. So you'll have,

2442
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:56,600
you know, sections of road in the United States that

2443
02:40:56,680 --> 02:41:02,120
are five, ten, fifteen, twenty miles long, just in a

2444
02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:09,479
straight line. And as you're driving across like North Dakota,

2445
02:41:09,600 --> 02:41:12,200
dear listener, no offense intended to any of our listeners

2446
02:41:12,239 --> 02:41:15,360
in North Dakota, it gets really hard to pay attention

2447
02:41:15,559 --> 02:41:21,879
when you're like just going twenty miles straight, right, even

2448
02:41:22,159 --> 02:41:22,600
at eighty.

2449
02:41:22,520 --> 02:41:25,879
Speaker 3: Miles tailored for a highway hypnosis exactly right.

2450
02:41:26,479 --> 02:41:29,879
Speaker 2: So, because the Germans didn't have all that access to

2451
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:34,399
easy blasting paths, they had to, you know, roads have

2452
02:41:34,520 --> 02:41:40,440
to follow the path that is most flat relatively speaking.

2453
02:41:41,079 --> 02:41:42,879
And so if you've got to go like and make

2454
02:41:42,959 --> 02:41:47,159
a slight curve to the left or you know, gently

2455
02:41:47,239 --> 02:41:50,120
kind of rise and follow the terrain a little bit more,

2456
02:41:52,000 --> 02:41:55,719
that's actually makes a better drive. You don't you don't

2457
02:41:55,719 --> 02:41:57,719
do things like fall asleep the way you can, like

2458
02:41:58,000 --> 02:42:02,079
you know, if you're driving from I ninety from Liken

2459
02:42:02,200 --> 02:42:07,559
to you know, Seattle, right, there's places where you're just

2460
02:42:07,600 --> 02:42:09,319
gonna fall asleep because there's nothing.

2461
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:14,120
Speaker 3: We realized too, Like if you like automobiles, and you know,

2462
02:42:14,479 --> 02:42:16,959
I always I mean I don't drive these days, but

2463
02:42:17,399 --> 02:42:19,040
you know I was really like I always really like

2464
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:21,479
driving in cars and stuff when I was young, you know,

2465
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:25,120
like driving them and working on them and the you know,

2466
02:42:25,239 --> 02:42:27,680
the all these Carol Shelby designs, you know that were

2467
02:42:27,799 --> 02:42:32,040
Grand Touring designated vehicles, you know, like a touring vehicle.

2468
02:42:32,159 --> 02:42:34,520
I realized, like Ford and all kinds of other American

2469
02:42:34,600 --> 02:42:37,399
companies took on that designation. But it doesn't make any

2470
02:42:37,440 --> 02:42:40,680
sense in America. Maybe it doesn't like Redwood Country somewhat,

2471
02:42:40,760 --> 02:42:44,200
but you know, driving driving a Porsche like around these

2472
02:42:44,239 --> 02:42:47,799
like winding roads through Bavaria, like through the elks. You know,

2473
02:42:47,879 --> 02:42:50,040
it's a totally different experience.

2474
02:42:49,879 --> 02:42:53,000
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and like like the only places in America

2475
02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:55,719
where like a GT type car makes sense is like

2476
02:42:55,799 --> 02:42:57,799
on the Pacific Coast Highway or something like that.

2477
02:42:57,959 --> 02:43:01,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah, and I've driven not just one

2478
02:43:01,239 --> 02:43:04,760
O one, but I've driven these mountain roads through like Oregon,

2479
02:43:04,840 --> 02:43:07,079
you know, which are like incredible. So then to know

2480
02:43:07,239 --> 02:43:09,920
me wrong, like America and being at the wheel of

2481
02:43:10,040 --> 02:43:15,799
a you know, like a like a comfortable like big

2482
02:43:15,879 --> 02:43:22,159
block you know, Cadillac or something is uh it's dope,

2483
02:43:22,319 --> 02:43:25,600
but uh it but it's not at all the same

2484
02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:29,360
thing as you know, the the European experience. And even

2485
02:43:31,040 --> 02:43:34,840
there's ah this footage like over Salzburg, you know, eagles

2486
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:37,959
nests and stuff. You know, like that's a perfect example,

2487
02:43:38,079 --> 02:43:43,959
and there's uh, there's footage of uh what amounts to

2488
02:43:45,399 --> 02:43:47,120
you know, the kind of work what became kind of

2489
02:43:47,159 --> 02:43:52,399
the war console vud Browschich was had been sacked. But

2490
02:43:52,520 --> 02:43:54,479
this just had to be like at the latest like

2491
02:43:54,559 --> 02:43:57,280
great early ninety forty two, you know, like convening it

2492
02:43:57,360 --> 02:44:00,520
over Salzburg and you see like these uh you know,

2493
02:44:00,559 --> 02:44:03,200
you see these like stately vehicles like pulling off and

2494
02:44:03,239 --> 02:44:05,399
it just looks like an incredible drive, Like looks like

2495
02:44:05,479 --> 02:44:07,040
something from another planet or something.

2496
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:09,120
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, could you can you even imagine like in

2497
02:44:09,200 --> 02:44:15,040
a like the Mercedes s K and you're driving from

2498
02:44:15,319 --> 02:44:18,159
Frankfort am Main up to Vienna and like one of

2499
02:44:18,200 --> 02:44:20,239
those bad boys, you know, that just the just the

2500
02:44:20,680 --> 02:44:25,440
aesthetic experience. But because because they didn't have that ability

2501
02:44:25,479 --> 02:44:28,000
to just blast straight through right, the road actually doesn't

2502
02:44:28,120 --> 02:44:30,239
do the role road his notices thing where you're gonna

2503
02:44:30,239 --> 02:44:32,239
fall asleep because there's just nothing to do and nothing

2504
02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:35,959
to I've driven through like South Dakota, and you know,

2505
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:38,520
like you gotta have you gotta have somebody like sitting

2506
02:44:38,559 --> 02:44:40,040
with you to like punch you in the arm so

2507
02:44:40,120 --> 02:44:41,639
that you don't end up driving off the road.

2508
02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:46,200
Speaker 3: You know, No, it's crazy, you know. I take the

2509
02:44:46,280 --> 02:44:49,520
greyund so much. I see a lot of like American highways,

2510
02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:54,040
you know, and uh yeah, they're very flat. It's crazy

2511
02:44:54,120 --> 02:44:57,120
too when you get out west, like the hills, the

2512
02:44:57,159 --> 02:44:59,719
foothills and some of the smaller mountains, they just like

2513
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:02,040
I asked, these huge tunnels through them and when as

2514
02:45:02,040 --> 02:45:04,719
a little kid, that really like blowing me out because

2515
02:45:04,959 --> 02:45:07,520
they don't have that here in Chicago, but I'd be

2516
02:45:07,559 --> 02:45:09,559
out in California and it's like, yeah, you're just like

2517
02:45:09,719 --> 02:45:12,719
driving through this like mountain tunnel for like freaking you know.

2518
02:45:12,799 --> 02:45:17,120
Speaker 2: Like yeah, or you know, driving through this tunnel in

2519
02:45:17,159 --> 02:45:21,079
the Rockies right that that is two miles long, you know.

2520
02:45:21,280 --> 02:45:31,040
But but that's that's something that is I think bye.

2521
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:34,959
By caring about the aesthetics, by making sure that everyone

2522
02:45:35,879 --> 02:45:38,159
had to have something beautiful to be able to look

2523
02:45:38,159 --> 02:45:42,280
at something that they could be proud of, it really

2524
02:45:44,440 --> 02:45:50,280
uh you know, you can not only not only people

2525
02:45:50,399 --> 02:45:54,920
more likely to maintain it, but it ultimately ends up

2526
02:45:54,920 --> 02:45:57,159
being easier to maintain because you're not fighting nature all

2527
02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:01,639
the time. You know, you can drive nature out with

2528
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:03,559
the pitchfork because the saying goes, but it always comes back.

2529
02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:12,840
So how do you if the ah, If the road

2530
02:46:12,879 --> 02:46:17,840
itself like is part of the nature, it's not as

2531
02:46:17,920 --> 02:46:25,319
difficult to a constantly be fighting nature to get the

2532
02:46:25,440 --> 02:46:26,239
road accomplished.

2533
02:46:26,760 --> 02:46:31,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I'm.

2534
02:46:30,079 --> 02:46:35,079
Speaker 2: Expressing myself poorly because I'm retarded. But and and by

2535
02:46:35,200 --> 02:46:40,719
making that something that is the most important thing as

2536
02:46:40,760 --> 02:46:45,120
you're doing it, do those beautiful roads not only become

2537
02:46:45,719 --> 02:46:51,159
more likely to be maintained and more likely to function longer.

2538
02:46:53,719 --> 02:46:57,600
They they also become an advertisement. And this is this

2539
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:00,600
is this is why I mean all only this is

2540
02:47:00,760 --> 02:47:03,239
this is why the right got to be destroyed. Right,

2541
02:47:03,319 --> 02:47:11,760
Is that just allowing them to be free was was

2542
02:47:11,799 --> 02:47:14,159
an advertisement against a capitalist system?

2543
02:47:15,280 --> 02:47:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, totally. It was a totally different ethos on potentialities,

2544
02:47:19,520 --> 02:47:23,600
and it transcended conventional politics, you know, I mean and

2545
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:26,719
like like in some ways, like the Schnalinists did too.

2546
02:47:27,079 --> 02:47:29,280
And I mean, I think Soviet cosmism is sort of

2547
02:47:29,360 --> 02:47:37,840
a callback to that sort of transcendental mysticism of of

2548
02:47:39,239 --> 02:47:42,680
Byzantium stuff. But no, I mean, but that that was

2549
02:47:42,760 --> 02:47:45,840
somewhat incidental, obviously, and it was the result of a

2550
02:47:45,879 --> 02:47:50,079
dialectical process that very much sort of deviated from the

2551
02:47:50,200 --> 02:47:54,120
core ethos of Marcist Leninism. But no, the something that

2552
02:47:54,360 --> 02:48:01,760
the fascists, the National Socialist access Europe was disposed towards

2553
02:48:02,120 --> 02:48:06,600
as an essential aspect of the politics of the era,

2554
02:48:06,879 --> 02:48:10,879
and specifically the revolutionary mandate that they were abiding, was

2555
02:48:11,319 --> 02:48:17,079
you know, something that was epochal in nature and purely

2556
02:48:17,319 --> 02:48:24,079
historical almost and was you know, partook of the highest

2557
02:48:24,159 --> 02:48:32,040
possible forms of human action and cultural productivity absolutely well that.

2558
02:48:32,559 --> 02:48:37,760
Speaker 2: I think that something else that needs to be I

2559
02:48:37,799 --> 02:48:40,280
think I've talked about this, Like the entire world changed

2560
02:48:40,360 --> 02:48:51,440
like in you know, in the realm of like commtists,

2561
02:48:51,639 --> 02:48:55,479
right like after the period of five good Emperors, you know,

2562
02:48:55,520 --> 02:49:01,239
Marcus Aurelius. Even then most of the population was agricultural peasants.

2563
02:49:02,479 --> 02:49:05,280
And you could take an agricultural peasant from the time

2564
02:49:05,360 --> 02:49:09,319
of Marcus Aurelius, and there's been some very very good

2565
02:49:09,360 --> 02:49:12,040
alternative history time you know, time travel type stuff, like

2566
02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:14,440
you could take someone like that and take them to

2567
02:49:14,520 --> 02:49:18,840
the world of say, I don't know what point the

2568
02:49:18,879 --> 02:49:22,120
break would be, like the eighteen sixties, and aside from

2569
02:49:22,159 --> 02:49:26,520
like firearms, like most of everything is like readily apparent.

2570
02:49:26,559 --> 02:49:28,319
And still even in the eighteen sixties of the war

2571
02:49:28,360 --> 02:49:30,520
between the States, most of the people in the world

2572
02:49:31,639 --> 02:49:38,159
are agricultural peasants. But you know, in the Psalm in

2573
02:49:38,239 --> 02:49:42,840
nineteen nineteen fifteen and the you know Waterloo in eighteen fifteen,

2574
02:49:43,159 --> 02:49:47,079
like the world changed so completely in that one hundred

2575
02:49:47,120 --> 02:49:53,079
years that nothing was the same afterwards. And the National Socialists,

2576
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:58,719
the fascist whatever like that, that organization, those that aesthetic

2577
02:49:58,760 --> 02:50:02,920
idea like those were the of the three choices or

2578
02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:08,040
three ways to confront that massive change. Where there was Bolsheviks,

2579
02:50:09,360 --> 02:50:12,600
there is judaeo Masonic capitalism, and then there was this

2580
02:50:12,959 --> 02:50:16,360
this national you know, organic aesthetic romantic nationalism. I don't

2581
02:50:16,360 --> 02:50:21,399
know how else to describe it. But of all those three,

2582
02:50:23,559 --> 02:50:26,760
no one is going to care about. Like if you know,

2583
02:50:26,840 --> 02:50:30,239
the United States government falls apart, no one's gonna care

2584
02:50:30,280 --> 02:50:34,559
about like I ninety one hundred dollars.

2585
02:50:35,239 --> 02:50:38,719
Speaker 3: Or or yeah, exactly, or like some morandom federal building,

2586
02:50:39,120 --> 02:50:43,719
you know, downtown. The a film that I like, you know,

2587
02:50:44,959 --> 02:50:47,440
this seems crazy now, but HBO actually used to make

2588
02:50:47,520 --> 02:50:50,760
really good original movies, Like they made this film about

2589
02:50:51,559 --> 02:50:58,319
Andrei Chikatola, the Soviet serial killer, called Citizen X, with

2590
02:50:58,440 --> 02:51:03,920
don On Sutherland in this. Yeah. Still, they made did

2591
02:51:03,959 --> 02:51:08,840
this biopic of Stalin and Robert Duvall. They did a

2592
02:51:08,959 --> 02:51:15,840
film version of Fatherland, the alternative history counterfectual, where the

2593
02:51:15,920 --> 02:51:22,040
German Reich is victorious in World War Two, and uh,

2594
02:51:23,879 --> 02:51:27,440
you know there's in the film it's uh the German

2595
02:51:27,479 --> 02:51:31,280
Reichs preparing for Hitler's seventy fifth birthday celebrations. Joe Kennedy

2596
02:51:31,440 --> 02:51:33,719
is the President Joe Kennedy is trying to end the

2597
02:51:33,840 --> 02:51:36,079
Cold War that exists between America and the Reich. But

2598
02:51:36,600 --> 02:51:39,879
it opens in the year ninety sixty four, and this

2599
02:51:39,959 --> 02:51:44,760
American delegation is touring Berlin, which is now, you know,

2600
02:51:45,680 --> 02:51:50,440
the European like the capital of nation Europa called Germania,

2601
02:51:51,239 --> 02:51:55,239
and it's it's a combination of early CGI and Matt paintings,

2602
02:51:55,319 --> 02:51:59,319
but it looks really cool. And the centerpiece is the Folkshall,

2603
02:52:00,760 --> 02:52:05,280
which would have held one hundred and eighty thousand people.

2604
02:52:06,520 --> 02:52:08,840
Hitler would have been able to access it from what

2605
02:52:08,920 --> 02:52:14,639
would have been the Fure's Palace by way of an

2606
02:52:14,760 --> 02:52:22,840
underground access road and he would emerge by elevator behind

2607
02:52:22,879 --> 02:52:27,360
the podium. And the folks Hall would have been so

2608
02:52:27,719 --> 02:52:31,040
massive that it would have had its own weather inside.

2609
02:52:31,079 --> 02:52:36,319
The clouds would have formed, and it speculated that it

2610
02:52:36,319 --> 02:52:40,920
would have occasionally rained within the dome like stuff like that.

2611
02:52:41,280 --> 02:52:48,719
Speaker 2: Is the best thing Amazon has ever done is they

2612
02:52:48,799 --> 02:52:51,159
did the Philip K. Dick Man in a High Castle. Right.

2613
02:52:51,959 --> 02:52:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, the show is silly, even the optics are brilliant.

2614
02:52:54,920 --> 02:52:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2615
02:52:55,200 --> 02:52:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I've appropriated the flag that they utilize for

2616
02:52:59,319 --> 02:53:01,559
some of my own purposes because it's that good.

2617
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:04,319
Speaker 2: Oh, the aesthetics were on point. But to give you

2618
02:53:04,520 --> 02:53:06,520
just a here's here's a quote from that the book

2619
02:53:06,559 --> 02:53:10,040
I mentioned Hitler's. Hitler's engineers Fritz Todd and Albert Spear,

2620
02:53:10,280 --> 02:53:15,760
master builders of the third Reich Todt started developing detailed

2621
02:53:15,760 --> 02:53:18,840
plans in July nineteen thirty three, keeping Hitler clostly apprested

2622
02:53:18,879 --> 02:53:21,440
the developments and then inner quote. Although the entire road

2623
02:53:21,479 --> 02:53:23,120
plan was Hitler's, and although he took the first step

2624
02:53:23,159 --> 02:53:24,920
in the organization of the plan, he allowed the General

2625
02:53:24,959 --> 02:53:28,280
Inspector and his staff that is tout to make all decisions.

2626
02:53:28,319 --> 02:53:30,120
He considered a good policy to be in agreement with

2627
02:53:30,200 --> 02:53:32,319
those in daily contact with the problems of highway construction.

2628
02:53:32,600 --> 02:53:35,200
He did, however, offer suggestions when the problems were brought

2629
02:53:35,239 --> 02:53:39,000
to him. The bridge simbolized. As approach to construction, he

2630
02:53:39,120 --> 02:53:41,760
was concerned with beauty and appearance, but the primary goal

2631
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:45,000
is durability, as he has often stated, quote, we must build.

2632
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:49,120
What we build must stand long after we're no longer

2633
02:53:49,159 --> 02:53:54,200
here unquote. So you know, do you build a society

2634
02:53:56,200 --> 02:54:01,159
that is concerned with the future and with esthetics, and

2635
02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:06,120
you know, Tucker Carlson has talked about this a little bit, like,

2636
02:54:06,440 --> 02:54:09,479
but but the people who build ugly stuff in America

2637
02:54:09,600 --> 02:54:13,520
cities hate you. They don't care about you. You know,

2638
02:54:13,799 --> 02:54:16,920
if they build you know, people who build ugly stuff

2639
02:54:17,159 --> 02:54:19,840
for you, they're telling you they don't care about you.

2640
02:54:20,799 --> 02:54:22,959
They're telling you that your kids don't deserve to have

2641
02:54:23,959 --> 02:54:25,600
beautiful things in their lives.

2642
02:54:27,799 --> 02:54:32,959
Speaker 3: It's also the yeah, and I the concept of the

2643
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:36,479
geography of nowhere, you know, and because I'm not because

2644
02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:39,239
I because I don't drive, I'm always on foot. And thankfully,

2645
02:54:40,360 --> 02:54:41,959
you know, Chicago is one of the few places you

2646
02:54:42,000 --> 02:54:46,120
can live and not have a car because this public

2647
02:54:46,159 --> 02:54:49,840
transportation everywhere. And one of the reasons I like it

2648
02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:54,079
here is because there's a lot of dedicated nature preserves

2649
02:54:54,159 --> 02:54:58,639
and things. But like most of this country, it's just

2650
02:54:58,799 --> 02:55:02,440
built up ugly and like, you can't you can't be

2651
02:55:02,520 --> 02:55:04,920
a pedestrian a lot of places because there's nowhere for

2652
02:55:04,959 --> 02:55:10,399
you to walk. And you know, architecture and the design

2653
02:55:10,520 --> 02:55:16,079
of living spaces, it physically dictates your movements. Yes, you know,

2654
02:55:16,280 --> 02:55:22,200
because there's that, And yeah, if you live amissed totally

2655
02:55:22,360 --> 02:55:27,600
ugly surroundings, you know, it's it beats you down psychologically,

2656
02:55:28,559 --> 02:55:31,760
you know, Like I when I get out West and

2657
02:55:31,799 --> 02:55:35,399
I'm not trashing people live in the west suburbs like

2658
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:38,200
west of Olk Park and stuff. You start when you

2659
02:55:38,239 --> 02:55:41,479
get far enough away from like Cook County, it becomes

2660
02:55:41,559 --> 02:55:44,479
like geography and nowhere it's like it's like endless flat

2661
02:55:44,639 --> 02:55:48,000
highways and you've just passed like Buffalo wild Wings and

2662
02:55:48,120 --> 02:55:49,360
like Target and.

2663
02:55:50,319 --> 02:55:53,399
Speaker 2: These like dis yeah old Camarts.

2664
02:55:53,440 --> 02:55:55,639
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean yeah, it's awful man.

2665
02:55:55,959 --> 02:55:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've talked about Jim Cuntzer's you know, geography nowhere

2666
02:55:59,680 --> 02:56:04,280
a ton because it's it's really important actually that you know,

2667
02:56:04,559 --> 02:56:09,799
Chicago's the the last city, like the furthest west city

2668
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:12,200
where you could actually live like a European style city.

2669
02:56:12,719 --> 02:56:13,079
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

2670
02:56:14,280 --> 02:56:18,680
Speaker 2: There's a really good book William ey cronin Nature's Metropolis

2671
02:56:18,680 --> 02:56:20,399
about Chicago. You should check it out if you get

2672
02:56:20,440 --> 02:56:28,799
a chance, about the development of Chicago. But if a

2673
02:56:29,360 --> 02:56:32,879
society that cares about itself and cares about its future

2674
02:56:33,360 --> 02:56:36,280
is going to build things that make that society stronger

2675
02:56:36,360 --> 02:56:42,760
internally and a better place to be. And I think

2676
02:56:42,799 --> 02:56:46,520
that you know, what have we built?

2677
02:56:48,159 --> 02:56:48,239
Speaker 3: Uh?

2678
02:56:48,360 --> 02:56:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, I've been a political adult basically since nine

2679
02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:54,559
to eleven. What is the United States built in the

2680
02:56:54,639 --> 02:56:58,280
last twenty five years that you can say that that's

2681
02:56:58,360 --> 02:57:01,959
gonna that's gonna matter in fifty years. Yeah, it's I

2682
02:57:02,159 --> 02:57:04,120
can't think of a thing. I can't I literally cannot

2683
02:57:04,120 --> 02:57:05,479
think of a single thing in the United States.

2684
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:09,840
Speaker 3: No, and even even these like dedicated monuments where you

2685
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:13,959
have you know, people who at least have some rudimentary

2686
02:57:14,040 --> 02:57:19,399
idea of esthetical sophistication and you know, how things should

2687
02:57:19,399 --> 02:57:25,000
be harmoniously devised, you know, to kind of comport with

2688
02:57:25,159 --> 02:57:29,479
the natural features of the setting in which it's situated.

2689
02:57:29,840 --> 02:57:32,239
Like a lot of the stuff just looks bad, you know,

2690
02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:36,959
Like I the when when I was in d C.

2691
02:57:37,239 --> 02:57:41,040
Last you know, I went by the World War Two memorial,

2692
02:57:41,479 --> 02:57:44,159
which I thought was kind of tacky anyway, because the

2693
02:57:44,200 --> 02:57:46,719
Evilshman Memorial is the World War two memorial if there

2694
02:57:46,799 --> 02:57:50,520
is one, and there's nothing like apparently offensive about it.

2695
02:57:50,920 --> 02:57:53,920
But it just looks bad, you know, it's something just

2696
02:57:54,000 --> 02:57:54,879
like tacky about it.

2697
02:57:55,000 --> 02:57:57,159
Speaker 2: It's like it's just esthetically not well done.

2698
02:57:57,760 --> 02:58:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just like totally unremarkable. Yeah, it's you know, no,

2699
02:58:02,959 --> 02:58:07,760
the only this beautiful architecture here and that's kind of

2700
02:58:07,760 --> 02:58:10,479
my reference point for America. I mean, stuff like Mount

2701
02:58:10,600 --> 02:58:15,000
Rushmore is fascinating, you know, but yeah, you'd think that,

2702
02:58:15,159 --> 02:58:18,920
especially because you think that, especially in the years immediately

2703
02:58:18,920 --> 02:58:21,239
after the Cold War, that would have been like a priority,

2704
02:58:22,040 --> 02:58:25,360
you know, not not in some crude triumphilist way, but

2705
02:58:26,040 --> 02:58:30,479
you know, kind of America saying, you know, we defeated

2706
02:58:30,520 --> 02:58:34,760
the communist enemy. You know, now sort of culture can

2707
02:58:34,799 --> 02:58:37,680
reign of an elevated sword that where the standard bearer up.

2708
02:58:37,760 --> 02:58:39,920
Like whether that's true or not is the point. You

2709
02:58:40,040 --> 02:58:44,159
think there'd be that impetus and that sort of desire,

2710
02:58:44,239 --> 02:58:47,479
even if it's exploited for reasons of political expediency in

2711
02:58:47,559 --> 02:58:50,959
ways that are somewhat impere of motive. But there was

2712
02:58:51,040 --> 02:58:51,440
none of that.

2713
02:58:53,680 --> 02:58:57,959
Speaker 2: Where was like the Great Symphony to celebrate like the

2714
02:58:58,079 --> 02:59:00,280
end of the Cold War and like the triumph him

2715
02:59:00,799 --> 02:59:04,200
like yeah, or a great a great opera or something

2716
02:59:04,280 --> 02:59:04,440
like that.

2717
02:59:04,680 --> 02:59:07,879
Speaker 3: You know that, Yeah, there's nothing, there's there's only there

2718
02:59:07,920 --> 02:59:10,440
was only like an a particularly good song by the Scorpions,

2719
02:59:10,520 --> 02:59:13,760
and I mean obviously they were like from the Blo Republic.

2720
02:59:14,840 --> 02:59:17,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean winds It Change is a banger like

2721
02:59:17,280 --> 02:59:19,399
I'm not gonna not gonna knock it, you know, in

2722
02:59:19,799 --> 02:59:22,360
terms of what it is, it's great, but like, yeah,

2723
02:59:22,399 --> 02:59:30,639
there's no and you know, Hitler, it was a pretty

2724
02:59:30,680 --> 02:59:38,239
talented draftsman himself, but yeah, he was great the built environment.

2725
02:59:38,319 --> 02:59:41,159
Like if if if you build a beautiful built environment,

2726
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:45,559
it's it's no, it's no coincidence that like Mozart and

2727
02:59:45,719 --> 02:59:50,600
the Strauss family and like how many great composers like

2728
02:59:51,079 --> 02:59:53,920
spent all their their great time in Vienna.

2729
02:59:54,920 --> 02:59:57,040
Speaker 3: No, and yeah, that's why, and that's why people gravitate

2730
02:59:57,040 --> 03:00:00,879
towards Prague these days, because Prague partakes that same sort

2731
03:00:00,920 --> 03:00:06,040
of Habsburg Baroque beauty. Like I'm always telling people one

2732
03:00:06,079 --> 03:00:08,760
of my destinations if I happened upon a time machine,

2733
03:00:09,280 --> 03:00:13,079
would be Habsburg Vienna, because i mean I'm very very Protestant,

2734
03:00:13,239 --> 03:00:17,319
you know, like, uh, but uh, I find myself taken

2735
03:00:17,440 --> 03:00:22,959
in by that kind of Baroque grandiosity, you know, as

2736
03:00:23,079 --> 03:00:27,799
much as uh, as much as a Roman Catholic person

2737
03:00:27,879 --> 03:00:31,239
would be man like, it's just incredible, right But yeah.

2738
03:00:31,440 --> 03:00:35,239
Speaker 2: But but but the reason the reason Vienna pretty so

2739
03:00:35,280 --> 03:00:40,079
many including you know all right Chancellor, right, like all

2740
03:00:40,159 --> 03:00:42,680
of these people were inspired by the beauty that was

2741
03:00:42,719 --> 03:00:43,920
everywhere around them in Vienna.

2742
03:00:46,120 --> 03:00:48,680
Speaker 3: Ye Schumpeter, Joseph Schumpeter made that point too, and I

2743
03:00:48,760 --> 03:00:52,760
mean he was you know, uh, you don't associate economists

2744
03:00:52,879 --> 03:00:57,639
with the same sort of creative aesthetical endeavors, but you

2745
03:00:57,719 --> 03:01:01,000
know it, it's but it's every everybody who came out

2746
03:01:01,040 --> 03:01:05,600
of that mil LOEU was, you know, shaped by it

2747
03:01:05,840 --> 03:01:09,799
in terms of their you know, habits and the conventions

2748
03:01:09,799 --> 03:01:13,360
they gravitated to and you know, the things that you're

2749
03:01:13,360 --> 03:01:16,079
inspiration from, sure, you know. And yeah, that's that's what

2750
03:01:16,200 --> 03:01:20,319
great civilizations are made of, is those sorts of those

2751
03:01:20,360 --> 03:01:23,879
sorts of you know, aspects.

2752
03:01:25,399 --> 03:01:27,479
Speaker 2: And it's funny because I like, in preparation for this

2753
03:01:27,559 --> 03:01:30,280
episode and just in general, right, you know, I've tried

2754
03:01:30,319 --> 03:01:35,799
to find everything I can in English about this pro

2755
03:01:36,040 --> 03:01:43,559
this movement of construction and infrastructure and right, and I

2756
03:01:43,719 --> 03:01:50,360
can't find anything in English that doesn't just attack, right,

2757
03:01:50,600 --> 03:01:53,159
attack the third Like there's nothing out there. I mean,

2758
03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:55,000
maybe you know, Thomas maybe's got like a book from

2759
03:01:55,840 --> 03:01:58,600
nineteen forty six or something that that might happen if

2760
03:01:58,639 --> 03:02:01,639
you do like DM me later, But well, yeah.

2761
03:02:01,520 --> 03:02:03,319
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't take this up seriously. It's the

2762
03:02:03,399 --> 03:02:07,840
same as there'll be something like middling college professor from

2763
03:02:07,959 --> 03:02:11,120
some fourth rae university like talking about how Hitler was

2764
03:02:11,120 --> 03:02:14,159
a loser. It's the same thing. It's like, it's like, okay, bro,

2765
03:02:14,520 --> 03:02:21,120
Like I the guy conquered the Europe from France to

2766
03:02:21,159 --> 03:02:25,799
the Gates of Moscow, defeated the British army, defeated the

2767
03:02:25,879 --> 03:02:31,000
French army, conquered Poland, conquered Czechoslovakia, conquered the low countries,

2768
03:02:31,879 --> 03:02:34,520
stop the American army dead in its tracks. But he's

2769
03:02:34,559 --> 03:02:37,079
like a loser compared He's a quot unquote loser compared

2770
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:40,879
to some middling college professor. Okay, Like you can't, you can't.

2771
03:02:40,920 --> 03:02:45,440
I mean, it's so preposterous that it's it's it's like

2772
03:02:45,520 --> 03:02:48,719
some hobo maybe a curtain a rod declaring he's the

2773
03:02:48,760 --> 03:02:51,079
emperor of the universe, expecting to take it seriously, or

2774
03:02:51,120 --> 03:02:51,639
something like.

2775
03:02:53,479 --> 03:02:57,079
Speaker 2: Beneath me well and and and Joseph Stalin right, Like,

2776
03:02:59,600 --> 03:03:01,559
I don't think people, I mean, I've talked about this

2777
03:03:01,680 --> 03:03:04,280
enough so that people would know or certainly this audience

2778
03:03:04,280 --> 03:03:08,360
as well educated have to know this. But the Iranians

2779
03:03:08,600 --> 03:03:13,959
are not pro American because American trucks and American bullets

2780
03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:16,920
were given to British and Soviet soldiers in nineteen forty

2781
03:03:16,959 --> 03:03:21,440
one to invade their country from four different places. Yeah, right,

2782
03:03:21,719 --> 03:03:24,399
so that they could secure the Persian supplier out which

2783
03:03:24,399 --> 03:03:28,719
supplied forty five divisions worth of troops to the Soviet Union.

2784
03:03:29,079 --> 03:03:33,840
The United States sent ten thousand aircraft from like Montana

2785
03:03:34,040 --> 03:03:37,280
up through Canada, through Alaska all the way across Siberia.

2786
03:03:37,479 --> 03:03:39,079
We're talking like ten We're talking like a third of

2787
03:03:39,079 --> 03:03:39,879
the way around the world.

2788
03:03:40,520 --> 03:03:41,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's insane.

2789
03:03:42,319 --> 03:03:45,559
Speaker 2: And in addition to like, you know, constant convoys over

2790
03:03:45,559 --> 03:03:48,760
the North Atlantic to like the White Sea and the

2791
03:03:48,879 --> 03:03:53,319
worst ocean in the world, and we just lost tons

2792
03:03:53,360 --> 03:03:58,639
of shipping and you know that, right, And if it

2793
03:03:58,760 --> 03:04:02,000
hadn't been for that kind of hero look effort, you know,

2794
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:04,040
the Serbiance would have lost a war. They say themselves

2795
03:04:04,120 --> 03:04:06,719
that that that's why they would have lost the war.

2796
03:04:07,639 --> 03:04:10,920
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's why, you know, I mean, I it, uh,

2797
03:04:11,959 --> 03:04:15,879
I'm supposed to listen to some I'm supposed to listen

2798
03:04:15,920 --> 03:04:22,319
to some fourth rate self style propagandists tell me that

2799
03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:27,079
I'm a bad person because I won't accept it was

2800
03:04:27,120 --> 03:04:33,159
an absolute moral imperative to exterminate Western civilization and alliance

2801
03:04:33,239 --> 03:04:36,440
with the Communists. You know, I mean, like I I

2802
03:04:37,920 --> 03:04:40,280
I these people are beneath.

2803
03:04:40,000 --> 03:04:43,959
Speaker 2: Me, Thomas. You don't support supporting the Communists? You hate freedom?

2804
03:04:45,079 --> 03:04:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like I if I don't go if I

2805
03:04:47,559 --> 03:04:50,399
don't hate Moslims for no reason, if I don't hate

2806
03:04:50,520 --> 03:04:54,520
my fellow Christians in Palestine, yeah, and go on pretending

2807
03:04:54,600 --> 03:04:56,639
that I'm Jewish, I'm a bad person.

2808
03:04:58,680 --> 03:04:59,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like I was a.

2809
03:05:00,239 --> 03:05:02,239
Speaker 3: I was always on the impression people acted that way,

2810
03:05:02,319 --> 03:05:05,760
we're mentally ill. But I apparently like no, they're they're

2811
03:05:05,799 --> 03:05:09,399
they're they're just really really bursting with with moral integrity.

2812
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:12,079
And I'm I'm like a, I'm just like a bad person.

2813
03:05:14,479 --> 03:05:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's that's absolutely true, right. And I mean

2814
03:05:18,799 --> 03:05:19,600
we can talk about.

2815
03:05:19,719 --> 03:05:21,840
Speaker 3: I don't go to parades either, were guys like pee

2816
03:05:21,879 --> 03:05:23,840
on each other and stuff like apparently I'm supposed to

2817
03:05:23,879 --> 03:05:26,440
do in June, you know, like that that, you know,

2818
03:05:26,520 --> 03:05:28,719
and I do things like honoring like, you know, the

2819
03:05:28,840 --> 03:05:31,120
heroes of my own race instead of like going to

2820
03:05:31,239 --> 03:05:32,159
like Pea parades.

2821
03:05:33,920 --> 03:05:36,680
Speaker 2: How dare you, Thomas? How dare you? You know? The

2822
03:05:37,399 --> 03:05:39,319
the I suppose we can talk about this just a

2823
03:05:39,360 --> 03:05:42,959
little bit. You know, a year later, right, the Trump

2824
03:05:43,000 --> 03:05:50,319
skeptical anti Jewish people have been completely vindicated, you know,

2825
03:05:50,600 --> 03:05:52,879
like that there's I only want to bring this up

2826
03:05:52,879 --> 03:05:59,360
because the the only salient and this is something I

2827
03:05:59,399 --> 03:06:01,520
got from Utah, so I'm gonna just steal it, right,

2828
03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:04,920
The only salient political conflict in the world today is

2829
03:06:06,200 --> 03:06:08,600
Zionis versus everybody else. Like, those are the those are

2830
03:06:08,639 --> 03:06:11,040
your options. You're either on team Zionist, you're on team

2831
03:06:11,280 --> 03:06:17,959
like Civilization. And it's the same conflict in nineteen forty one.

2832
03:06:18,159 --> 03:06:20,319
It's the same conflict today, Like you're on team Zionist

2833
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:22,559
or you're on team Civilization. Those are your those are

2834
03:06:22,600 --> 03:06:25,719
your teams, you know, like Charles and I always used

2835
03:06:25,719 --> 03:06:27,879
to tell each other like it's always January nineteen thirty

2836
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:32,040
six in Spain, like you got two teams, You got teams.

2837
03:06:33,200 --> 03:06:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. The fan surprising about Trump. I mean I never

2838
03:06:37,399 --> 03:06:40,120
had any illusions about Trump or I thought he was

2839
03:06:40,200 --> 03:06:43,479
a good guy. The way in which he crashed out

2840
03:06:44,319 --> 03:06:47,719
kind of surprised me because it was really really stupid.

2841
03:06:48,239 --> 03:06:52,000
And he continues to kind of cook himself in the

2842
03:06:52,079 --> 03:06:55,680
court of public opinion when he doesn't have to. Yeah,

2843
03:06:55,959 --> 03:06:58,319
he's become I think he's slipping mentally.

2844
03:06:58,639 --> 03:07:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd think a Narsiss would have more self respect.

2845
03:07:01,399 --> 03:07:01,559
You know.

2846
03:07:02,120 --> 03:07:05,760
Speaker 3: Well he also Trump's a master of manipulating the psychological environment.

2847
03:07:05,840 --> 03:07:09,040
I mean that's really that that that that's really how

2848
03:07:09,360 --> 03:07:12,079
he's gotten to where he is. And it's like he

2849
03:07:12,200 --> 03:07:18,200
totally took leave of you know, his his his Machiavelian

2850
03:07:18,319 --> 03:07:21,200
sensibilities as well as his instincts for how to proceed

2851
03:07:21,799 --> 03:07:25,680
an index with the media cycle. It's he's been doing

2852
03:07:25,760 --> 03:07:28,440
incredibly dumb things. And I mean, not to derail us.

2853
03:07:28,479 --> 03:07:29,920
I got to raise up in a minute too, start

2854
03:07:29,959 --> 03:07:32,280
to be abrupt, I got like ten minutes. But the

2855
03:07:33,159 --> 03:07:35,719
you know, the way you handle this Epstein matter is

2856
03:07:35,719 --> 03:07:38,159
just incredibly stupid. You know, it's not like he got

2857
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:40,200
it's not like he got merked because he got put

2858
03:07:40,239 --> 03:07:43,040
on the spot and you know, didn't really see a

2859
03:07:43,079 --> 03:07:46,799
way out. So you know, he kind of he kind

2860
03:07:46,840 --> 03:07:50,239
of issued some he kind of made a declaration he

2861
03:07:50,239 --> 03:07:55,159
couldn't deliver on to get you know, a hostile interrogative

2862
03:07:55,239 --> 03:07:57,200
media off his back. And then he came back to

2863
03:07:57,239 --> 03:07:59,000
bite and was like nothing like that just he's just

2864
03:07:59,200 --> 03:08:04,000
doing dumb shit it, you know, and the way he's responded,

2865
03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:08,559
you know, he could have he could have basically playcated

2866
03:08:08,639 --> 03:08:12,280
his masters. Well at the same time, put on airs

2867
03:08:12,399 --> 03:08:16,760
like he was, you know, demanding that you know, us sovereign,

2868
03:08:16,760 --> 03:08:19,840
he be respective visa the Israel, and he did the opposite.

2869
03:08:20,319 --> 03:08:21,760
You know, It's like, what the hell's wrong with you?

2870
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:28,959
Like you, especially considering the current environment conceptually and the

2871
03:08:29,000 --> 03:08:32,000
way people feel about Israel, that that was about the

2872
03:08:32,120 --> 03:08:36,360
dumbest possible thing you could do. But that's the subject

2873
03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:39,680
for another day. Forgive me, and yeah, forgive me for

2874
03:08:39,760 --> 03:08:45,959
be an abrupt I I we can. We can reconvene

2875
03:08:46,000 --> 03:08:48,719
and continue this subject matter if you guys want to.

2876
03:08:48,840 --> 03:08:50,159
I mean, obviously, I'm sure you guys are going to

2877
03:08:50,200 --> 03:08:54,040
continue with it, but I'll rejoin you guys at a

2878
03:08:54,120 --> 03:08:55,879
later date if you want to continue.

2879
03:08:55,559 --> 03:08:58,040
Speaker 2: This anytime you want to talk about whatever you want

2880
03:08:58,079 --> 03:09:00,479
to talk about, Thomas, I'm always happy to to you know,

2881
03:09:00,760 --> 03:09:01,440
if you.

2882
03:09:01,479 --> 03:09:05,479
Speaker 3: Go now, you should. I'm doing this series now with

2883
03:09:05,639 --> 03:09:08,440
the world at war guys, Nick and Adam, which is great.

2884
03:09:08,639 --> 03:09:11,319
I'm very blessed they wanted to include me. But I

2885
03:09:11,959 --> 03:09:15,040
you know, I also we put like Pete and I

2886
03:09:15,239 --> 03:09:18,079
with a couple other guys. You know, we we do

2887
03:09:18,200 --> 03:09:22,159
the inquisition had Oh you should you should? Yeah, you should,

2888
03:09:22,159 --> 03:09:25,120
you should. You should dip in there sometime, man, anytime.

2889
03:09:25,200 --> 03:09:27,719
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm a big fan of Astrals and Nick

2890
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:29,360
and I've been an old friends of mine for years,

2891
03:09:29,360 --> 03:09:29,479
you know.

2892
03:09:30,040 --> 03:09:31,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's a great dude. Okay, Yeah, you're

2893
03:09:31,879 --> 03:09:37,360
you're aware of it. Oh yeah, but uh yeah, I'll

2894
03:09:37,399 --> 03:09:41,479
be in touch and I'm always at long last. I'm

2895
03:09:41,479 --> 03:09:47,120
gonna start, uh, I'm gonna start live streaming on the regular.

2896
03:09:47,200 --> 03:09:49,639
And if it would help, if you'd be willing to

2897
03:09:50,799 --> 03:09:52,600
collab with me on that sometimes too.

2898
03:09:52,959 --> 03:09:57,639
Speaker 2: But you call it, you call and I'll jump on man, Like.

2899
03:09:57,840 --> 03:10:00,799
Speaker 3: Get my phone number from Pete, man, and like shoot

2900
03:10:00,799 --> 03:10:04,920
me at text, okay in the next couple of days,

2901
03:10:06,040 --> 03:10:09,399
and just like identify yourself when you do, and yeah,

2902
03:10:09,479 --> 03:10:11,680
we'll talk about it over text if that's cool.

2903
03:10:12,079 --> 03:10:15,879
Speaker 2: That's fine. Yeah, let's uh, let's close, let's close this

2904
03:10:16,000 --> 03:10:19,479
one down. Then. Yeah, that sounds all right. So Thomas

2905
03:10:19,559 --> 03:10:20,159
get plugs.

2906
03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can find me. I run a charity for

2907
03:10:28,399 --> 03:10:31,680
autistic l g b t Q children that now I

2908
03:10:31,719 --> 03:10:32,200
don't do that.

2909
03:10:34,639 --> 03:10:34,959
Speaker 2: Stream.

2910
03:10:37,440 --> 03:10:42,000
Speaker 3: You can find me at Thomas seven seven seven dot com.

2911
03:10:42,159 --> 03:10:45,079
It's number seven h on me s seven seven seven

2912
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:49,319
dot com. And uh, my sub stack is where I

2913
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:52,319
direct people too as well, because that's what my podcast

2914
03:10:52,520 --> 03:10:55,639
is a lot of my long form writing. And we

2915
03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:59,399
got a very active chat there. It's real Thomas seven

2916
03:10:59,479 --> 03:11:03,479
seven So then that's substack dot com. And as I

2917
03:11:03,559 --> 03:11:08,440
kind of restructure my content, I know I'm active on

2918
03:11:08,559 --> 03:11:13,000
those two platforms every day. So go there and you

2919
03:11:13,079 --> 03:11:15,159
shall find thee.

2920
03:11:16,479 --> 03:11:18,799
Speaker 2: Well, I have my own show fundamental principle, it's also

2921
03:11:18,799 --> 03:11:19,399
on substack.

2922
03:11:19,920 --> 03:11:20,040
Speaker 3: Uh.

2923
03:11:20,399 --> 03:11:22,840
Speaker 2: I gotta give a strong recommend to following Thomas's telegram

2924
03:11:22,959 --> 03:11:25,319
and is sub stack. I followed both of them, and

2925
03:11:25,600 --> 03:11:29,840
of course everything everything Pete can on is uh. You know,

2926
03:11:30,559 --> 03:11:33,360
give give Pete money, listen to his shows, do his

2927
03:11:33,479 --> 03:11:35,639
live streams, you know, get your out through o GC,

2928
03:11:36,479 --> 03:11:39,799
support the people to support you. You know that you're giving,

2929
03:11:39,840 --> 03:11:41,760
You're given. You know what amounts to do three hundred

2930
03:11:41,799 --> 03:11:44,639
oro hundred level college lectures by Thomas and Pete or

2931
03:11:44,799 --> 03:11:47,200
by you know doctor Johnson and Pete or you know Pete.

2932
03:11:47,280 --> 03:11:49,639
Pete enabled so much stuff to good things to happen,

2933
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:51,920
and he works really hard behind the scenes that you

2934
03:11:51,959 --> 03:11:54,520
don't see, and he helps people all the time. So

2935
03:11:56,000 --> 03:11:57,399
you know, the stuff that Pete does in front of

2936
03:11:57,399 --> 03:12:00,000
the camera's only a portion of the of the hardware

2937
03:12:00,120 --> 03:12:01,920
he puts in. And on top of all that, he's

2938
03:12:01,959 --> 03:12:04,520
like a really great friend. So please, you know, support

2939
03:12:04,559 --> 03:12:05,799
the people that don't hate you.

2940
03:12:06,920 --> 03:12:09,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, well said, I appreciate that.

2941
03:12:09,360 --> 03:12:12,680
Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, have a good evening. Thank you.