Speaker 1: And we are back. So Kirklam We've talked this a
few times with Bond as of right now has a
new Bruomor director and then has some producers going on,
so they're doing the route of it is David Hayman
and Amy Pascal who are the going to be the
producers of the Bond movie. So it's different about this
is they didn't sign them on for because the rumors
all they're doing spin offs and TV shows. They didn't
sign them up to be like the Kevin Figi's or anything.
They're just like, hey, they're doing one movie and obviously
they have a very different track record, but they have
lots of big films. I'll bring this up, I feel.
Do you know the name Amy Pascal Kirkland. Oh yeah, okay,
so sister, yeah, of course of course. So she has
a very spotty but great track record. At the same time,
obviously I've had issues because she's produced some of the
uh Sony Marvel stuff. But I'm gonna go down everything
from when she started producing from twenty sixteen. So it
started off with the twenty sixteen ghost bouts. We're gonna
put them the not good category. SPIERMNT Homecoming, Molly's Game,
the post all good to great movies. So there you go.
You got Vanom, which you know, results by very girl
in Spiders Web, which I've which I've never seen, and
then you got Spierman into the Spider Verse Far from Home,
and then got Little Woman, which to me is a
big thumbs up. That's a big one. Uh. And then
then I'm not to be Carriage, and then spidermant Noy
home across the Spider Verse Challengers, which is the thumbs
up good rich, which I've never seen, and then then
the Last Dance, and then she's producing some TV show
that's coming out this year. So that's a very like Honestly,
I kind of forgot about Challengers that she was all that.
I think it's just because, like we've talked about her
over the years, there's been some memes about her with
thought I like, do you do you remember that time
we covered a long time ago where she was talking
about that Vanom was in the Cinematic Universe and kem
Fie was sitting yeah next to her, and he was
just like that. And then the next time they did
an interview, they like clarified it and everything. So you
got her and then David.
Speaker 2: He's like, are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not even gonna go down David Hayman's list
because he has tons of stuff, like he produced once,
He's produced sixty five things, he produced one time upon
some time in Hollywood. But the biggest thing is he
was one of the shepherds between the Harry Potter series.
And that's where the rumor comes in. That's supposedly the
newest person on the block is Alfonso Coron, who did
Prisoner of Azkaban. He did Gravity, he did I'm trying
what are you laughing about there?
Speaker 2: I was thinking of a different movie. Gravity's going with
Sandra Bullock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Clooney They're in space.
Speaker 2: And went to Passengers with Chris Pratt.
Speaker 1: No, no, not that. Uh he did obviously. We just
talked about it earlier this year for the Patrons Children Men,
which that was a great time we got to review that.
So obviously it's like, you know, I think all of
us here were big nole knights, like we would want
Christopher Nolan. But if you're not going to get him,
Alfonso Caron, that's like a that's another big name. That's
the name that fits. But how do you feel about
how do you feel about these people being not like
the Shepherds? But it's okay, They're gonna be one Bond
film obviously a big I'm not sure if this is
gonna be like a trend in Hollywood where it's like
a couple of years ago we got Peter Saffron and
Jim's Gunn and now this it's like before it was like, oh,
who's gonna do it? Now it's like, oh, well, well we
got any Pascal produced lots of big movies at Sony,
and then David Hayman, who produced lots of big movies
at Warm Brothers now coming together at Amazon. So it's
like another situation where people are combining. I even think
that could happen when Foggy leaves that I could see
two people running the MCU going forward. So yeah, what
do you think about that? Then what do you think
about Coron Because obviously you've you've seen Gravity, right, Oh yeah, yeah,
so you've at least seen three of his movies. I'm
not sure if there's more.
Speaker 2: But yeah, and then uh so they would be sorry,
just help me clarify here, like the producer, like what
would be their titles like of the Producers, main.
Speaker 1: Producers or for this one, just the one movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of surprising because it's just like two
massive titans shepherding in like one single stand alone movie.
On one hand, I really like the idea of it's
just like, Okay, let's just focus on one standalone story
and then see where it goes from there. Not so
much like needing the incentive to be like, Okay, we
need to have a six movie set up and like
this has to you know it, like you know, we're
doing our Resister. But like I've been watching uh Dead
Reckoning and I'm like, man, like just just the idea of, like, okay,
this has to be told over two stories. It's just
like it can be a slippery slope sometimes when you
when you do that.
Speaker 1: And I look, they even changed the title that movie.
You remember that the first.
Speaker 2: Said part one, and I just chucked myself.
Speaker 1: It's like the first time Mission Impossible tried to do
the whole like connected movies, they backed at right away.
They're like, oh no, no, that's a that's the reason
it failed. It's a part one. Sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I I really like the idea of just yeah,
like this is we're coming off of the Daniel Craig
era and like that that was a long journey with him.
We obviously saw the conclusion of that. But let's just
let's just focus on one anthology g project, you know,
just like a new Adventure with the James Bond stuff,
and then just see where it goes. I imagine it's
gonna be a big hit, like when it comes out,
like just financially wise, I think, just like the name
alone is it just gives me people in the theaters
for There's gonna be a lot of pressure for it,
obviously to be very successful because of what went on
with Daniel Craig. A lot of people say it's the
best James Bond ever, and yeah, I have an argument for.
Speaker 1: It, and it's not coming off like I love Pierce,
but like.
Speaker 2: Peerce was always my favorite growing up. You know, Pierce
is just just the era I think of when I go, yeah,
he was the best, I.
Speaker 1: Always do the answer Pierce is my favorite. Craig is
the best, though. That that's how I go. I know
people are gonna argue me on Connery, but to me,
Craig is like every single Bond rolled into one. In
my opinion, you see a little bit more, a little
bit of Pierce, a little bit Connery, a little bit Dalton.
I don't blasm, but he hit one movie.
Speaker 2: We'll get there, one of the most movies, Like who
had the most movies?
Speaker 1: More Roger Moore, he went on for a while. I
think he was playing Bond like he was either sixty
or about to be sixty when he was still playing Bond. Yeah,
he went on for he went on for a while there.
So yeah, to me, on a especially, Amazon paid a
bunch of money to get MGM, but then they had
the problem of well they didn't fully own Bond, so
what they do They had to pay another billion to
fully own Bond. They've paid so much money. I can
see them being like, we don't want to sign any
producers to like a six movie contract, like let's just
see how it goes. And to me, it's like kind
of smart financially and just even planning wise too, because
this like not that someone would be lazy, right, because
it's like I would hope any producers, especially because the
Broccolis have always had it. If any producer has got
the Bond franchise, and let's say you're like, Craig, you're
making four movies. I would hope it's like, Okay, we
gotta we're gonna make the best Bond movies we could, right.
But for me, I feel like if you say, hey,
you only a one shot of this, I feel like
you're even more motivated now. Now the pressure is there
for those producers, maybe you overproduce it and you're like, fuck,
we went too hard, right, like we try to put
too much stuff in there. But I'm trying to be
pause the hope that that will just motivate these two
like we got one shot, because to me, the fact
that it's not even they did Okay, we're gonna let
them do four movies, but like the TV shows spin offs,
we're gonna give it someone else. It's literally just no,
you two get one movie. That to me is Amazon
throwing their dick on the table and being like this
one you're shot. Because if this movie comes out and
it tanks or people don't like it, or they don't
like the casting a Bond, you're gone. Because it's the
one picture thing, right, the only thing that fucks Amazon,
and they got the money, so I don't care if
it's a huge hit. Then those two producers get to
go back to the table and be like, oh, like,
now you want us to do three to four and
we did a massive it and now you're gonna have
to resign us to more money. Right, But again, I
think Amazon's not worried about that. I think they're just
worried about like, what's the right message and same thing.
Let's say they sign these people to a three to
four movie contract. The first one sucks. What they're gonna
have to do is Okay, we don't want to use them,
But then they're just gonna like have to pay them
out a bunch of money that they didn't even use
them for. Like it's like that's where I actually think
this is. I'm not the biggest fan the Pascal Higher,
even though there's some great things she has done. I
think that's the Rocky Hayman I can definitely see, like
that makes tons of sense if it wasn't one of
the Nolan brothers. So it's strange, but maybe two people again,
that shows like the gravity if you know, no pun
intended of the situation what they want brought to it.
But I think it's smart because it's you know, you
gotta you gotta deliver a great movie because if you're not,
then that will come out and we'll go on to
the next producers. It's it's kind of like a it's
an audition, but it's a weird audition because it's not
just like a, oh, go make a Bond short film.
It's literally like, you're gonna make our first Bond Amazon film,
which has to hit. Because yeah, and because I feel
like already people including myself, look at it like there's
I've seen so many Bond fans be like my Bond
now is like the first Connery to the Crag thing,
and that's it. Like, I don't think Amazon's gonna do
right by. I think they're gonna you know, water it
down and cheapen it with the spinoffs. I think a
lot of people will have that mindset going in of
like this is if this isn't hit, I'm kind of
done with Bond for now, because it's you're not you're
not lacking Bond films. You have so many Bond films
to watch.
Speaker 2: It's a very similar thing with like the Rings of
Power situation, how they like they changed you know, some
of the book canon. And then of course it's like,
well my stories. The same thing happens with Star Wars
and it's just it's never ending. Oh no, I forgot
what I was gonna jump into a previous past.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, Mike says, Dalton is the most really
great actor. I need to go back because I never
loved those when I was younger. But as we've said before,
our plan with the next Bond retrospective is we're waiting
for the date and then what we're gonna do is
some Patreon We're gonna throw up a poll and it's
gonna be either Craig Moore Peers or the lads of
a Dalton Dalton eraon. You guys are gonna pick the
retros and we'll do that series. Every Bond movie will
do one Bond actor and go from there. So U
but I yeah, I can't calm and I haven't seen
in a while. I've never gone back to them too much,
so we'll we'll get there eventually. The Timothy Adulton one.
Speaker 2: So I definitely have not seen all the Bond films.
There's oh yeah, I would have to catch up on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a great pick. I love Gravity, loved
I think children like on that special I gave like
on the retro any thing, I gave a ten, like
that's up there. If you're tell me, hey, what's give
me the top ten sci fi movies all time or whatever,
just like it is science fiction, but she's like alternate
realities whatever, whatever whatever genre Children Were Men is in,
it's a top ten or like from the story, from
the acting, from like we talk about the one shot
somewhere and there. I loved Gravity. I did not like
Roma really at all, and funny enough that's coming for
me that I think Prisoner of Azkaban is like highly overrated,
but I still think it's a great, like well made movie.
I don't look at it and look at it because
it's bad. It's just it's not my cup of tea.
And there's some things where I I think they're needing more.
But he's a great director, and of course I want Nolan.
But at the same time, if you look at what
Amazon is doing here right where it's like, okay, they're
giving these people one movie. Even then I could see
no because there was always the rumor why the Broccolis
didn't work with them. Nolan won final cut. I can
already see Amazon being like we're not gonna give Nolan
final cut. I think that's a mistake. I think you
roll the dice and I because I just think that
there's maybe only one time to do this, and this
is now and now you I guess maybe if this
movie bombs and it sucks, then you go back to nomngo. Okay,
we actually really screwed up. Can you do Bond film
for us? But at that point, Bank, yeah, nah, like
you could have came to me before, Like so if
no one's off the table, which sucks, I think that's
a dream for me. Koran is like another really good pick,
Like that's one that does get me excited, you know.
I think there's some good juice to be squeezed there,
So I do Yeah, let me fine. May did have
a question about this.
Speaker 2: I guess one thing I'll add on to the Koran
pairing of just looking at Prisoner of Azking Banks, that's
like the one I'm the most familiar without all those projects,
when I've seen the most I feel like looking at
that movie, I do agree. I think people rate it
a little bit too highly than what it is. But
that movie has so many different things going on in it,
and I feel like throwing it into a James Bond, uh,
just just skin. I think that could actually be a
really good pairing, which is the levels of intensity and
just lightheartedness and all all that stuff from Romance.
Speaker 1: Do you have? That's what many asked Other than Nolan,
do you have any other directors? He likes to get
the shot Bond Corona stuff I want, Like I hear
that and go, yeah, that that makes sense to me.
Danny Boyle is another one, because he was supposed to
do No Time to Die and then that didn't work out.
He's always been trying to do a Bond movie, Like
it's a fucking obvious one. But like if you can't
get Nolan, Deny would be like yeah, like that's another
big dream one right there where. It's kind of because
I remember when they asked him about, hey, would you
ever do a comic movie and he said, oh, the
only one I would do is Batman. Nolan and Denny
are very different directors, but I think they're in that
same scope. If I feel like there would be a
very there'd be similar beats to a Nolan Batman and
Denise Batman right where it's something like where Matt Reeves
very different director, and hey, fucking Matt Reeves, that'd be
another great Bonder. Let's say they canceled Batman too give
him Bond, Like that'd be fucking to get past in
his Bond Just fucking dude. Could you imagine the universe
where James goun Cancel's Batman too and they go do
Bond movie as passing him and it's just like fucking
the best thing ever. But so yeah, i'd actually throw
Matt Reeves. I don't think it has to be a
British director. That happened in the nineties where Steven Spielberg
many times said he tried to pitch himself doing BOMD like, Nope,
we're gonna keep to the rules of being British. It's like,
man like, it's like an old thing. It's like anybody
that say, you know what, we're not gonna have Steven
spielberdrict a bomb move. I'm like, why did you not
take the shot? Unless this guy wanted like just buckets
of money, It's like take the shot, like Steve Spelberg,
dirict a fucking Bond movie and say thing with Nolan,
So that would be me, Like, I like Caran Danny Boyle,
danie Velle, nuff and yeah, randomly throw throw Matt Reeves
in there. Fuck it. Let's like some of like The
The Batman's a beautiful looking movie, so I'd love to
see like that has to do a Craig phrase or two,
but just like the pacing of it, like and think
about this Apes movie, Like there's tons of great action
set pieces in there. So yeah, fuck, give it to
Matt Reeves, you.
Speaker 2: Know, absolutely JJ. You know he's not doing anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'd be tough. That'd be like him doing Star
Trek the Star Wars be like Mission impossible to bond there.
So yeah, I'm trying to think what about I'm trying
to look if I'm miss any when someone put Tarantino, like, no,
like I love Tarantino, but I don't think that's a
I don't think it's a good fit. Yeah, Steve McQueen's
another good one. I like that. I'm trying to think
there's anyone.
Speaker 2: New or said Guy Richie.
Speaker 1: I No, I can't. I would like James Bond type
of movie, but not actually him direct James Bond. I
don't think he would do this because here's my pitch.
I don't know if he would do it, because I
feel like he wants to be in the horror realm
and do weirder stuff. But if they want to go
around because they've said, hey, the only thing we're doing Bond,
we're not making them a wound, which I agree with.
They said, like doesn't matter, like obviously they're gonna hime
in British, but like we don't care about his race.
Whoever's best is best, and this director's notorious. He's never
said like he's not gonna work with white directors, but
he's always said like he wants to put, you know,
people of color, specifically black people as the mainstay of
his story because he's seen enough stories of the white lead.
He wants to tell the black story. If you're gonna
go and you're in this, I don't think whatever ever happen,
if you're gonna go and get a black James Bond
and really step for you what we want to put
a thumbprint on it? Get me Jordan Peele like to me,
especially because Nope, some of those sequences are fantastic. That's
everybody to like second units cinnatography, but like some of
the action set pieces that shot of I always talk
about my favorite shot of that year, the fucking House
and it's tripping in blood, Like just take that to
the kay, just don't do an action side like do
that now with Bond. I don't think Peele would ever
go for it, But imagine the fucking internet if you
wake up that Jordan Peele is directing a Bond movie.
Speaker 2: David Washington's sure, yeah, but like.
Speaker 1: That would be a wild day. I would love that,
But I just I just don't know if he even
wants to do that. I just get the vibe he'd
be like, no, like that's too may like too mainstream forum.
But I know maybe his next movie bombs and the
same thing as like Chad Skelsei's Oh maybe I should
do this Bond movie, But I don't think so.
Speaker 2: I'd love it, though, I'd be yeah, I like to
see that multiverse.
Speaker 1: Yeah that'd be you know, give a little bit horr edge.
But yeah, we'll see, We'll keep h we'll keep tracking
the Bond stuff. It's like we're now, we got the
we got the buyout, we got the producers. We're like
we're probably within this year. Do you think we get
do you think we get Bond this year, Like you
not the movie like the actor? Oh, or do you
think we get director first?
Speaker 2: I think we get director first.
Speaker 1: Oh. That's another good one too, Ryan Coogler, because there's
so many scenes We talked about that when we reviewed
Black Panther, that scene when he goes hunt down Claw
and he's in the casino and they had the car
chase that is, and even the scene with to Challa
and Shurrey when they're doing the whole cue and she's
walking them through like all the type of gadgets that's Bond,
all souper, that's that's actually a Ryan Coogler would fucking
kill it with Bond. Yeah, that's that's my top draft
pick now, like the like actually so unbelievable. That's that's
a good one, Mike, Yeah, you could pick. But yeah,
do you think we get the Bond actor this year?
Do you think it would be? Like, do you think
get actor director both?
Speaker 2: None?
Speaker 1: Because we're still only March, so we got a long
time ago in I they got the producer left. Yeah,
I think they got producers. They're starting to make a move,
you know.
Speaker 2: I think we'll get director first, But I do think
we'll still get the James. We'll see James this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, I think I think I'm a yes on
both of them, because I bet it's gonna be a
situation where it's like get director, actor this year, and
the obviously the rest of the cast, but then like
next year they start to shoot and then twenty twenty seven,
Like Amazon, let me just check when Amazon bought MGM
Amazon Buys. They bought this in two thousand, Okay, so
it was announced in twenty twenty one, finalize in twenty
twenty two. So even let's just say twenty twenty one,
they've already been waiting four years to make a Bond movie.
So it's like, I feel like Amazon is like, let's
fucking get cracking on this. You know, we've waited too long.
Speaker 2: The gas pedal down and just get it going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that'll be exciting, and I'm excited for whatever
the I I actually don't know. I'm so curious how
the vote goes with the patrons. I feel like they're
either gonna pick Connery or Pierce, because I feel like
we have a lot of people our age that are patrons,
so I feel like Pierce they grew up with. But
I'll see a lot of people being sentimental and be like,
start with the first one, Like that's that's what I
think they're gonna go with. But maybe I'll be surprised.
I know, Mike, I guess he's gonna be voting for
Timothy A. Dalton, you know, so, uh, you never know.
So we'll do that, but uh, anything else on Bond, Kirklin.
Speaker 2: No, I'm excited for more deats.
Speaker 1: I am excited too, you know what. I'm excited about
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