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Speaker 1: What is up, fellows, Siccos I am Dan Valley coming

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at you with my one my old name, I certified

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fantabulists co host mister Grant Hughes. It's a special day

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around these parts because we are doing our first ever

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under the Radar storylines draft now that we are.

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Speaker 2: Almost a month into the NBA season, Grant, and.

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Speaker 1: So this will give us an opportunity to one talk

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about things that we do believe are flying under the

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radar and also hit on some teams and players that

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maybe we haven't been able to go in depth with

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with each other just yet. Before we get started and

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lay out how we're approaching this, Grant, how heck are

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you doing?

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Speaker 3: I just want to say you sound great and nobody

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listening to this is going to care, But boy do

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we have some audio issues in the lead up.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: We had audio issues in the previous podcast. Thank you

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to everyone who listened to it. We believe they're fixed

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now with the exception of.

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Speaker 3: But we'll see, we'll see yeah, or we'll hear.

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Speaker 1: I guess I wanted to ask you when we're approaching this,

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and we'll alternate picks, how are you when you're saying, okay,

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this is my first pick. Are you taking something that

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you just think has flown under the radar the most

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or that you believe is a combination of we're not

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talking about it a ton, but this means a whole

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bunch more than some of the other things we'll talk about.

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Speaker 3: I would add a third component. Both of those things

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are factors. Sorry, nope, I'm fighting the hypothetical. The third

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component is I just want to talk about this because

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I think it's interesting and hopefully that comes through. It's

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the under the radar thing is always tricky because by definition,

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if we're talking about it, it's on our radar. It's

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just worth you know. So we're kind of saying this

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is something that I think warrants a little more attention

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than it's gotten. But then, of course, if you're a

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fan of this team, you've absolutely paid attention to that

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thing because it's it's on your radar, So take it

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take it that way. Ultimately, it's just some thing I

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think is interesting that I want to discuss with you,

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and I'm not gonna apologize for that.

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Speaker 1: So I approached it from something similar, but it was

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more so I think that this matters, and it's not

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being talked about enough. But I'm gonna wait the what's

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the gravity of the impact this is going to have

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for on this team or just on the rest of

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the season, or maybe what we think about in some

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cases just the landscape of the entire league. I don't

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have anything else, though, Do you have anything else before

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we dig in?

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Speaker 3: I think we should get to it.

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Speaker 1: I am an incredibly generous person. So I'm going to

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give you the first pick in this draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to select Dan uh. I don't know what's

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a what's a label it exactly? But let's talk about

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Draymond Green's agenda comments.

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Speaker 1: By the time, I should have known you were going

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to go there, but I didn't. I didn't think you

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were gonna go there.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's you, It's I want to talk about most Yeah,

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why not? You have to draft for yourself. It's not

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about winning it. The way you win it is to get.

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Speaker 2: If you don't look out for you, who will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to pick the things that matter to you.

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It doesn't need to be the best, No, I think.

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I think in a real way this was interesting. So

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I if you're a Warriors fan, you're aware of this.

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This was like way down the list. I think on

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some ESPN, you know, if you're just clicking through the

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news there, the Warriors get absolutely they've had terrible losses

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this year, Indiana, Milwaukee, they've been terrible on the road.

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They get just rocked by the thunder, which, like it

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turns out, no shame because that just happens to everybody,

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but it was a particular just drubbing. And then after

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the fact, Dreymond Green says, I think everybody was committed

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to winning back then, talking about the immediate aftermath of

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the Jimmy Butler trade last year and doing that anyway possible.

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Right now, it doesn't feel that way. Further, he said,

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but you have to make those personal agendas work within

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the team confines. If it doesn't work, you kind of

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got to get rid of your agenda or eventually this

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is great, or eventually the agenda is the cause of

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someone getting rid of you. Pretty solid, pretty solid wordsmithing

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there in that article or in one of the articles

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with those quotes. Anthony Slater, who's very close to the

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Warriors of ESPN, mentions Brandon Pajemski and Jonathan kaminga by name,

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does not mention any other players, and the reason he

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mentions them one is because they were both removed from

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the starting lineup the next game. But two, this is

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the quote slater. Pajemski made a number of comments in

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the lead up to the season about his long term

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career ambitions, including a news conference answer to a question

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about whether he wanted to be as great as Steph Curry.

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to be better than him, which elicited some quote eye

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rolls and continued references from several within the organization. You

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can imagine everyone just giving him shit all the time

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for oh, look here comes better than Steph. Look out.

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as it makes it sound less terrible. What the actual

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quote was is Pajemski is I kind of asked, like

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it's it's in the vein of you know, what makes

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Curry great, or like what makes a great player? And

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Pajemski's being complimentary talking about like how not everybody essentially

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has the same drive as Steph and what it takes

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to be that great, and he says I want to

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be better than him. I think that's a tall task,

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but I want to maximize my talent in the league

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and get as much as I can, get as much

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out of it as I can. Like pretty benign when

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framed that way, just like maybe don't say you want

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to be better than Steph on the Warriors. So the

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agenda's thing with Kaminga has been a longstanding, you know,

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issue of like he wants to be something other than

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what the Warriors want him to be. That's the central

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tension that produced the contract dispute and the lineup, you know,

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shuffling him in and out of the starting five. I

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was curious because watching the team this year, I don't

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know if you maybe you can chime in here, it

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never seemed to me like, oh my god, Pajemski's out

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to get his numbers or oh Kaminga is really If anything,

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he's you know, he's been assigned to the most dangerous

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opposing matchup. Not saying he's done well in that job,

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but he's embraced it. So I don't see anything on

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the court that speaks to these guys are not of

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taking a team first approach right, and you can look

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at some of the data too, like you know the

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the another poll quote was that the coaching staff has

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and about zero point five basketball. That was another very

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obvious reference to Kaminga and Pajemski, who the stats do

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show just are on the ball, take longer to make

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decisions than the other non you know, Pat Spencer, Steph Curry,

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those guys bring the ball up. They're going to be

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having the higher dribble per touch stats, which they do

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more touch time. Draymond Green has more touches than anyone,

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with Moses Moody and Will Richard, which is relevant because

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those guys are getting starts now over Pajemski and Kaminga.

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aren't showing Kminga and Pajemski being selfish. So Dan, what

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pretty outsized amount of confidence and is not shy about

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talking about how great he can be.

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Speaker 1: Can I can I interject for a second, when you

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have Joe lacub calling him a future All Star, it's

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probably he's kind of inflating or enabling that type of mindset.

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Speaker 3: Then good point. I think it exists in Pajemski just naturally.

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But you're right, and to build on that. Who's been

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a bigger Kaminga backer than Joe Lacub So in terms

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of like enabling or empowering that kind of mindset, you know,

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it applies to both of them. To me, this this

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isn't about the on courts or like like outright selfishness

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or personal agenda stuff. I think if you're critical of

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Kminga and Pajemski, Kaminga again, like he's playing more, scoring

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less this year, he started a bunch, has the highest

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turnover rate of his career, lowest steel rate, He's rebounding more,

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that's great. Pajemski's number is not that different really from

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last season. I think their limitations are just that. I

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think they're their limitations. I think, like the things these

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guys have not been good at, quick decisions, spot up shooting,

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like all this other stuff that are shortcomings that's not

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born out of agenda stuff. It's born out of like

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they're just not good at those things and that doesn't

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fit with the team. And then layered on top of

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that is I think the just kind of personalities may

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be over confidence, maybe entitlement, call it what you want.

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It's not selfishness per se. Does that resonate like because

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to talk about it in terms of agendas it makes

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it seem like these two guys are, you know, bad actors.

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I don't think that's quite right. I think it's the

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veterans actually just like don't like these guys that much,

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and they don't care for their personalities and they're annoyed

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by what they're not good at within the scheme of

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how they want to play.

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Speaker 1: Which I think it's easy to and this gets conflated

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too much. Is when people don't like how a player

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is playing, don't like their contract, don't like their style,

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is it gets connected to their overall humanity to where

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or he wants to be a star in this league,

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but he's also just not good at Inherently, he's not

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good at the read and react or the processing stuff. Yeah,

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and by the way, there's I think what we also

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under sell collectively is generational gaps in the NBA. It's

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just look at the age difference between these guys. The

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other thing I will say, too, is when you're looking

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at on the court, it does seem like there might

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be some just I didn't know enough, like plugged into

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what Brandon Pajemski thinks of himself or maybe how he's

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viewed around the Dubs. It felt like there was more

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of that with Kaminga, but maybe just because he was

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higher profile. When you look specifically on the court, I

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kind of feel like Brandon Pajemski is good at a

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lot of the things that the Dubs like to do.

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He's just maddingly inconsistent. We say this about Kaminga, but

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he was inconsistent for the first few years of his career.

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While feels like playing his own brand of basketball, I

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don't view and you've seen way more of Pajemski and

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the Warriors than I have. I don't view him as

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someone who is just forcing them to deviate from the

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script unless it's because one he's too inconsistent or two

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what I would say is they've kind of at points

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needed him to be someone who he's not. And it's

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just like similar with Jonathan Kaminga to where well, if

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you want Jonathan Kamena to be more plug and play

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than we saw at the beginning of this season, you're

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gonna have to spell out to me how you plan

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on making that happen. The final thing before I throw

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it to you is just this isn't this I guess

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comes back to the generational disconnect. But if there's this

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inherent impatience because these guys Draymond Green, Steph Jimmy Butler

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are kind of at the end of their primes, at

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the end of their careers versus these guys who are

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at the beginning and just when you look at the

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roles both of them have had, but more so cominga

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when there is just the inconsistency of how they're used

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or they haven't been able to get the let's say,

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the amount of runway or the freedom to fail. The

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way that guys and maybe teams that don't have is

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soaring expectations immediately when they come in. I don't want

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to say that's done a disservice to them. I think

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there's being in a winning culture like matters a great

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deal to development. I think that this is just what

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Draymond Green to me is saying. I'm not putting it

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these two youngsters specifically and say, well, like, yeah, they're

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they're upending the Warriors somehow, and it's within their control

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a really good way to frame it.

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And I think maybe the what that really means is

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the veterans who, by the way, like it's Curry has

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been sick and missed a bunch of time and played

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poorly at a couple other times because he just wasn't healthy.

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Speaker 2: Wild company dropped him because he's been terrible.

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Speaker 3: Right, what's he gonna do? Is he gonna be okay?

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Do you think? Uh?

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Speaker 2: He?

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Speaker 3: So it's not as if the Warrior struggles Oh, entirely

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to Pajemski and cominga that's like, that's ridiculous, that's just

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objectively untrue. What this feels like to me is the

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veterans are frustrated, and I think the real source of

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that frustration is that COMINGA and Pajemski specifically, and you

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kind of as you said, can't do the cannot not,

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will not, but like they they just not every player

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can do everything right. There are player types, there are

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strengths and weaknesses. They can't do the things that the

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veterans really want them to do well enough. And I

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think that's creating frustration, and it's combining with some personality

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stuff and it's coming out as like an agenda driven thing.

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any outward like I'm I'm frustrated, I'm I want to

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play this way. It's just like Pajemski is not a

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quick decision maker. He You're right, he's been inconsistent. His

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limitations are he cannot athletically beat players. He comes to

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two foot jump stops and picks up his dribble like

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just all the time and gets stuck, and possessions just

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go there to die. Kaminga processes slowly, has terrible hands

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like just there's they just have limitations, and I think

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that's been frustrating. So I think maybe the thing to

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and by contrast, Moses Moody and will Richard are just

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role players. And you've never heard Steve Kerr or the

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team say anything bad about either of them because they

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just shoot threes and try to make quick decisions and

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play defense to the best of their ability. And in

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some ways, like because they don't have the appearance of

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like he can do more like Coaminga and Pajemski do,

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they're not quite held to the same standard. Like if

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if Moody has a bad shooting night, it's like, ah,

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well he tried. But if, like if Pojemski has a

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bad shooting night or doesn't facilitate like they need him to,

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it's like, ah, this guy terrible. You know. There they're

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victims kind of of their own parent greater skill sets.

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Speaker 1: And it's not to it's not to downplay what we've

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seen since they've come in to the league from Quenton

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Post and Will Richard, But when you're drafted in the fifties, right, like,

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the expectation based on is just so inherently low that

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anything you're doing, even a Pat Spencer's whoa like this

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is great, he.

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Speaker 3: Did anything that's awesome, right, Like Quenton Post has done

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anything great. Will Richard same thing, But it does kind

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of you know, it's easy to fall into the like, well,

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here's the Warriors and these Vets again just stunting the

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grow both of young players because they you got to

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play a certain way there. It's not really true. It's

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if you have a certain skill set and a certain

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mentality and you know how quote unquote know how to play,

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I think you're gonna be fine. And like Moody and

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Richard and Post are good examples of that, albeit I

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don't know none of them have the ceiling of Pajemski

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or Kaminga, even though we're pretty low on those ceilings

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now relative to where we were. I think the spin

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it forward aspect that we probably got to get to

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is like Kaminga was always going to be traded, and

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now it seems much more likely that Pajemski might also,

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you know, follow him out the door at the deadline

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this year, just because the Warriors are turning away from

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them already.

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Speaker 1: Right, So I was gonna ask to you what you

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think the longer term implications are of this, and what

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is it if you're trading both of those guys, what

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are you targeting? Like, who is there a player that

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you're trying to consolidate into is it. And by the way,

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you're limited in that technically too. If you don't want

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to touch your three veterans the money that you can

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send out, you could still do some things, but you

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can't do these four for one trades because then what's

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left with your rotation?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean a lot depends on how much they

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get I think specifically out of Moody and Richard, because

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you might say, well, we need some more three and

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D wings to just throw out there with the three

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old guys, and you know that'll be good. But if

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those two guys are solid in that respect, then you

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are looking again. Secondary creation is just gonna forever be

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a thing like someone who can do the stuff Pajemski can't,

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or or that Kaminga can't. I don't know who that is.

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That's not a star that's gonna cost one of your

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costly vets, right Chris paps Porzingis has kind of gotten

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bandied around. I don't know if the Hawks have any

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interest in that, but sure that gives you kind of

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another Al Horford esque option. I suppose that. So that way,

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you're you got three floor spacing centers if you count

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posts in there with Horford and KP Like, I don't

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know what that trade looks like. I'm just more focused

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right now on I think he's This is the closest

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I felt like to the Warriors have seen enough of

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both of these guys now to feel like not quite

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gonna work here.

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Speaker 1: He has not been necessarily great to start the year.

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But are you still a Derek White guy?

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Speaker 3: Always forever going to be a Derek White guy? If

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you could get Derek White for comingo or pods, I'm

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doing it.

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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna take both and there'd be other

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machinations and okay, but that would be my guess. Even

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with what is he shooting. His two point percentage is

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pretty low this year, but yeah, I think he's shooting

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Derek White on drives this year at thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 2: I would probably still.

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Speaker 1: Do it, but I'm not giving Like if I was

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the Warriors, I would have given.

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Speaker 2: Up everything for Derek White in the off season. I

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now I'm saying a little.

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Speaker 1: So final question, well, it's two separate questions. Will Kaminga

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be on the Warriors past the trade deadline?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Or nay?

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Speaker 3: No? Can't be? I mean if he is not, I mean,

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if he is it's because, like I mean, I just

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there's just nobody wants him, which is hard for me

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to believe. I think somebody's still gonna think at that

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money with that team option, like why not.

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Speaker 2: Well, Pods still be on the Warriors after the trade deadline?

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Speaker 3: Yes, or I'm gonna say, I mean, obviously more likely

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than Kaminga, but I'll put it at let's just call

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it fifty. Can I get away with saying fifty to fifty,

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which is like not what I would have said at

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the start of the year. I would have said, like

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eighty five.

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Speaker 2: What would you put the team? What would you put

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Kamingas at?

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Speaker 3: There's like a ten percent chance he's still on the

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team after the deadline?

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Speaker 2: Let's get to our number two pick.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go with uh all right, I'm gonna

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go with this grant the Nuggets bench is kind of

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a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: They were impacted a little bit because they let the

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Clippers make a fa come back. The other night during

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Nikoliokich's double Nickel, I don't know if you saw any.

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Speaker 2: That performance just mine, my god, pretty good. He's Nikoliokch.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna be spicy, but I think that he's

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pretty good at basketball. However, this is the deepest team

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that the Nuggets have ever had. They are currently grant

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they were number one before the Clippers game.

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Speaker 2: That has now changed.

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Speaker 1: They are third in bench differential per one hundred possessions

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only Toronto and then of course Oklahoma City because they

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just have everything.

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Speaker 2: In front of them at the moment.

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Speaker 1: The degree to which this matters if you go back

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in look during kind of the prime Jokich years, they're

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bench differentials. In twenty four to twenty five they were

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twenty fourth. In twenty three to twenty four they were

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twenty second. The title year they were twenty ninth. The

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year before that they were twenty third. They have only

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had a bench that ranks in the top half of

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point differential three times since Nikola Jokic entered the league,

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and they've only had it inside the top ten once,

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never anything inside the top five. Now, what does help,

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of course, is that the Nuggets play a ton of

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minutes with a bunch of starters on the court. I

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think they have the largest shit in the league of

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at least three starters on the court at all times

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that matters. But they were doing things like that in

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previous years and it wasn't working. And the fact that

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you now can look at and say I was wrong

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about the Tim Hardaway Junior edition. They just needed his

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volume and just short term memory. He's hitting them now,

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but like he's not gonna shoot forty six percent from

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three forever.

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Speaker 2: He will miss them and just continue to take them.

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Speaker 1: And where you can see Cam Johnson kind of hesitating

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this year and missing a bunch of wide open threes,

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as Nuggets fans will tell you, some of them have

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been airballs. Tim Hardaway Juniors doesn't have that in his jeans.

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Bruce Brown, just the familiarity with how the Nuggets want

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to play offensively, even though the personnel around him has

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shifted a little bit huge.

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Speaker 2: Peyton Watson, I think this has been the best defensive

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season of his career.

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Speaker 1: Still up and down on the offensive end, but that

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ends up being like just looking at this Nuggets team

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and thinking, oh, they go eight reliable guys deep. When

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is the last time that we even thought we could say, oh, nine,

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Jonas found Chunis. I didn't even mention they are winning

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or they had until the Clippers game.

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Speaker 2: Won the minutes he played.

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Speaker 1: Without Nikoli Jokic on the court, you don't need to

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win those minutes, but to just have a heartbeat in

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those non Nakolijokic minutes and just someone who you can

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either run things through. He can do some basic spot

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up stuff. And again I think part of this is

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Jamal Murray had that hot start, been a little up

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and down ever since his passing. Just in the non

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Jokic minutes, He's averaging Morris's per one hundred possessions without Jokic,

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I think than he ever has before. So having the

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starters there to uplift some of these guys is a

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huge deal. But at the same time, like we haven't

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been able to say that the Nuggets go even seven

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reliable guys deep excuse me, and roughly forever. And now

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we can sit here and I think reasonably say a eight,

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like you can stretch it to nine. But if you think, okay,

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Peyton Watson, Peyton Watson, Tim Hardaway's Tim Hardaway. We don't

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like their base lines might swing a little bit more

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turbulently than everybody else is.

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Speaker 2: Even if it's seven or eight.

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Speaker 1: That's just massive, and it's it's massive on the workload

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for Nicole Jokic more than anyone because there are going

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to be I would argue fewer games like the one

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against the Clippers to where they feel the need, okay,

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we have to insert them back in the fourth quarter.

474
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,920
This lead is getting a little bit and that some

475
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,440
of that might have been they wanted him to go

476
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:20,839
for sixty, but he has never operated like that, So

477
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,319
I just can't imagine that that factored into it too heavily.

478
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: I think. I think one of the funniest stats about

479
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:31,160
this is that Jokic's on off differential is still plus

480
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:36,839
twenty eight point five. Just like that's even for him,

481
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,359
that's pretty high, and that's working off of a higher

482
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,720
reserve baseline. Just absurd, I wonder. So I think I agree.

483
00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:48,440
I mean, I definitely agree with you that it does

484
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:51,279
feel like there are more real players here down through eight,

485
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,319
maybe nine that are gonna at least get you those

486
00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:58,440
break even minutes or slightly better without Yokic in the game,

487
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,480
and without starters in the game. Or generally do you

488
00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:05,160
think in what way is this meaningful? Is it meaningful

489
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:08,319
in a seeding sense to where Okay, Denver might be

490
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:11,160
able to get one or two probably not one, maybe

491
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,000
two in the West and that gets you homecored up

492
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,160
through the conference finals up until the conference finals. Or

493
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,480
is it this matters because of the lineups they'll be

494
00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,240
able to put in playoff games, Like, you know what,

495
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:28,079
it is a regular season thing. What's because the Nuggets

496
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:30,039
goals are what they are. They're trying to win a championship,

497
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,759
So what is what does the depth really mean? Assuming

498
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:35,519
it's real.

499
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 2: Even if it's a regular season thing.

500
00:24:37,839 --> 00:24:43,279
Speaker 1: I think that you're still like preserving Nikola Jokic specifically,

501
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,119
or maybe even Aaron Goon, Like you're ensuring that these

502
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,599
guys get more rest in games, maybe some of them.

503
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,799
When you're looking at a Jamal Murray, when you're looking

504
00:24:50,839 --> 00:24:52,960
at and Aaron Gordon don't have to play.

505
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: In as many regular season games.

506
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 1: If you're looking at the type of lineups they can

507
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,319
throw out in the postseason, I think one of the

508
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,079
biggest deals would be let's just say that Cam Johnson

509
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:06,920
doesn't ever normalize I expect him to, but you could

510
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:09,319
toggle and say, right, well, we have Tim Hardaway Junior,

511
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,799
or we have Bruce Brown, or we have Peyton Watson.

512
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,200
And it goes the same with Christian Brown, whose offense okay,

513
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,599
like we know what he could do around the basket,

514
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,599
but his shooting is going to be all over the place.

515
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,000
There might be certain defensive matchups to where you say,

516
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,839
you know what, like Peyton Watson, he can get around

517
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,400
screens better. He's just slimmer than Christian Brown, so let's

518
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,599
throw him in there and try that. So to have

519
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,200
more option And now I'm naming players that were already

520
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,920
on the team, but Peyton Watson just giving you a

521
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,799
higher defensive default maybe than he did. That's the type

522
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,839
of stuff that's going to matter. But I think it

523
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,359
just gives them more optionality in the playoffs to where

524
00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:46,920
we know three of these guys aren't going anywhere when

525
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960
it matters most on the floor, Aaron Gordon, Jamal Murray

526
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,160
and Nikoleokich have to be in the game. And I

527
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,880
think that you could maybe even elevate Christian Brown into

528
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,279
that or at least come pretty close. But I think

529
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,480
now they have more ways to toggle with let's say

530
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,160
the final two, or even just the final spot in

531
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,480
some of their most important playoff lineups and the starting five.

532
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,839
They want it to be the default. It should still

533
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,599
be the default, and I expect that it will be

534
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,279
good enough to be the default. But in the event

535
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:15,079
it can't, in the event that there's a matchup where

536
00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:17,279
they don't think that that's going to work, they just

537
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,759
have more choices at their disposal. And I think, by

538
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,279
the way, having Bruce Brown and this version of Peyton

539
00:26:23,319 --> 00:26:25,599
Watson and I think it allows David Adaman to just

540
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,319
try different things defensively as well. And I'm still kind

541
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,279
of holding out hope, and look, this could matter in

542
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,400
the playoffs if you go in against maybe Houston or Okase.

543
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,480
I want to see more Yonis, Valentiunas and Nicoliokic together.

544
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,480
I just want to see it. I think they've played,

545
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,079
Like last time I checked, it was like one minute

546
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:41,960
and I haven't seen it.

547
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,799
Speaker 3: So Valentunis is averaging twenty five and fourteen per thirty six,

548
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,160
So when he's out there, it's not for a long time,

549
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,279
but like he's doing stuff, he impacts the game every

550
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,319
time he is in it.

551
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,279
Speaker 2: There's value in being able to do that.

552
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: Too, by the way, because we talk about this a

553
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,720
lot with other players, where it's hard for them to

554
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,359
come in and get in a rhythm. But if Yonahs

555
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,119
Valentinas can come in and play twelve to fifteen minutes

556
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,759
a game in these shorter blips and still just be

557
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,160
yonas Valentunis or be effective, that's a that's a bigger

558
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,279
victory than it like, yeah, it'd be I guess if

559
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,039
you wanted to play him twenty plus minutes and that's

560
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:16,880
how he gets his groove.

561
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 2: It's just you can't do that because you have yokicch.

562
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: It's interesting that I guess with the exception of Cam Johnson,

563
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,400
because I thought Cam Johnson is like, oh, we're gonna

564
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,559
see the best version of him because Jokic, and that's

565
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,279
just what happens. But other than him, the Nuggets right

566
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:33,960
now are very much playing too preseason expectations where it's like, well,

567
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:36,599
Jokicic'll be great, he'll have to do a little less,

568
00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,960
he'll be more efficient than ever, and the bench is

569
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,039
good now, and it's kind of like, yeah, that's that's

570
00:27:41,079 --> 00:27:45,559
where we are. They've if you're feeling like you can't

571
00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:49,000
figure out the season and like where did what's wrong

572
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,319
with Orlando? Oh, no, Atlanta, even though those have signed

573
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,319
sort of normalized. But like Denver's doing what we kind

574
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,039
of thought Denver would do, which is which is a

575
00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,440
nice thing I have. I have a pick. Now we

576
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480
got to talk about the weird experiment that is the

577
00:28:03,519 --> 00:28:09,319
Houston Rockets. So I kind of started formulating this watching

578
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,720
the Rockets Bucks game. It's probably about a week ago now.

579
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:18,160
It was a truly bizarre, just thing to behold where

580
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:26,359
all of Houston's exploitable weaknesses got exploited effectively, and like

581
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,720
it's still kind of produced strengths, which is just. And

582
00:28:29,799 --> 00:28:31,200
what I mean by that is so in the first

583
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,559
half of that game, which Houston ended up winning, it

584
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,279
felt like the Bucks were gonna run away with this.

585
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,960
Milwaukee's playing a ton of own against lineups, big lineups

586
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,720
for the Rockets that couldn't shoot. Reach Shepherd had some

587
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,680
nice moments. By the way, your guy Reach Shepherd's looking

588
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,799
pretty solid sometimes lately, I'm very excited for you to.

589
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: Pick it rolls now.

590
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: He has moments, he has stretches where it's like that

591
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,799
guy can do stuff so great recovery from I pronounced

592
00:28:55,799 --> 00:29:00,319
them dead probably two weeks ago. So the Bucks, playing

593
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:03,559
a ton of zone because the Rockets can't shoot, turned

594
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:05,839
the Rockets over a billion times in the first half

595
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,319
of that game and got a bunch of runouts, and

596
00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,400
the points off turnovers were way out of whack in

597
00:29:10,519 --> 00:29:15,000
Milwaukee's favor. The problem is it's really hard to box

598
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:18,240
out in a zone. So in addition to the Rockets

599
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:21,400
being just hell bent on offensive rebounds all the time. Anyway,

600
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,640
if you zone them, which like theoretically you should, right

601
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,920
because Aman Thompson, if he shooter, Alprinshan gun shot it

602
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,039
better still, don't believe in him. Steven Adams never gonna

603
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,079
shoot it. Like Tari Easton's open in the corner. Great,

604
00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:36,440
we won that defensive possession. Like just across the board,

605
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,880
Durant's not gonna shoot threes. So like the zone makes sense,

606
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,400
except you can't box them out. So Houston wins the

607
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,880
rebounding battle of that game fifty to twenty seven and

608
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,480
has twenty offensive rebounds. It's just like the thing you

609
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:52,240
should do against the Rockets plays into their hands in

610
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:55,039
another way that can lose you the game. So just

611
00:29:55,119 --> 00:30:00,000
as like a study in extremes, the Rockets are fascinating

612
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,799
for some numbers. Obviously number one and offensive rebound rate

613
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:07,319
forty point six percent, which is the difference between Houston

614
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:09,759
and the number two Utah Jazz shout out Jazz, good

615
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,640
job Fellas an offensive rebounding rate is about the same

616
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,160
as the difference between Utah and the number sixteen team.

617
00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:20,000
So it's just like it's it's absurd how much more

618
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,000
the Rockets are successfully crashing the offensive glass. Steven Adams

619
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,559
has a huge amount to do with that biggest share

620
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,400
of the credit, but just collectively, that's kind of what's

621
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,720
working for the Rockets. We maybe knew that was coming

622
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,079
when they were gonna play so big. They're also number

623
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:37,920
twenty seven in turnovers. They turn the ball over like

624
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,799
all the time. So this creates this bizarre possession battle push,

625
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,480
push and pull, where yeah, we're gonna give you the ball,

626
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:46,920
but when we shoot it, we're also gonna get it again,

627
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,720
you know. So like the possession battle is always going

628
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:52,960
to be just unusual for them all season. They also

629
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:55,839
never foul their number one an opponent free throw rate.

630
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,160
The difference between them and Golden State at number two

631
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,039
is like three percent, which is just enormous. Their twenty

632
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:06,160
eighth in transition frequency. Opponents are eighth in transition frequency,

633
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,400
so the games are slow. It's just this is a

634
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,359
weird ass team and all the stuff that makes them

635
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,680
seem weak can be turned into strengths. So I just

636
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,000
I don't really have a point about this other than

637
00:31:18,039 --> 00:31:21,200
Houston is unlike any team I could ever remember, And

638
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,160
I don't know, like, are we going to get into

639
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,680
the postseason and think, like, Okay, they just they turn

640
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:32,559
it over too much so they can't win, or it's

641
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:34,240
like it doesn't matter they turn it over so much

642
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,680
because they get a million offensive rebounds and that just

643
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,200
negates the giveaways and you can't zone them because they

644
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,240
can't shoot because they'll get more offensive rebound. I just

645
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,440
I don't know. We haven't really seen this before.

646
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,039
Speaker 1: Do you think I was going to ask this that

647
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,200
the way they're currently constructed it will be able to

648
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,960
work in the playoffs to where this style, especially on offense,

649
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:57,480
is going to hold up. And we've seen them make

650
00:31:57,559 --> 00:32:00,359
some changes to where Okay, Josha Kogi is start now

651
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,440
and he's kind of just the extension of them playing

652
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,519
with another like he just has a big man skill

653
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,279
set on offense essentially.

654
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 3: Right, I think it's most likely that we get into

655
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,440
it might not be a first round problem. Let's call

656
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:21,440
it the conference semifinals is when teams are good enough

657
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:28,000
at limiting the offensive rebounds to where the shooting limitations

658
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,440
and the turnovers make it so just they're like Houston's

659
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,359
effective field goal percentage is the worst of any team

660
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,880
in the playoffs, right, and like their offense is okay,

661
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,440
but not good enough because the second chance stuff isn't

662
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,279
sufficient to paper over the other issues. That's my guess.

663
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:49,759
But again, the extremity of the offensive rebounding is kind

664
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:53,359
of just like it makes me question that. But my gut,

665
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,640
don't you think like you can't have such an obvious

666
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,839
limitation and get real deep in the playoffs. That's where

667
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:03,359
I'm ultimately at. But like, I don't know, I've never

668
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,480
seen a team play like this, so there's not really

669
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:07,079
a good precedent for it.

670
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,559
Speaker 2: Well, what what would be the biggest concern?

671
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,279
Speaker 1: Is it just that you're thinking the offensive rebounding will

672
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:16,440
fall by the wayside in the playoff the teams.

673
00:33:17,079 --> 00:33:19,359
Speaker 3: It's gonna go away. It'll be a strength, but it'll

674
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:23,839
be it'll be limited enough to where the other problems

675
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:27,720
become too big for the offensive rebounding to cover up that.

676
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,400
You know what I mean, Like if you if you

677
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,279
have these shooting and playmaking limitations, I think if once

678
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:36,559
you reach a level of the postseason where the quality

679
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:40,480
of opponent is high enough, they will exploit those and

680
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:44,359
make you lose. And that that for close. That's not

681
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:46,240
you know, maybe they rocket to make a trade and

682
00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,680
suddenly they're not so reliant on those quirky things that

683
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,720
they're good at. But that's how this goes, right. I

684
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,839
think if you're trying to make a bet on it,

685
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,599
it's that Houston has a couple of weaknesses that good

686
00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:59,400
teams are gonna figure out how to exploit.

687
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, because even now they do have and this is

688
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,559
like one of the biggest Alpa and Shang Guon should

689
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,880
be on the MVP ballot type numbers would be their

690
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,599
seventh and first chance offense. So like they're doing all

691
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:11,960
this offensive rebound stuff. When you filter that out, there's

692
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,199
still seventh in offensive efficiency. A lot of that is

693
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,239
though the shit out of the ball from three, which

694
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,760
again is like you're getting zones.

695
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: They're daring you to do that.

696
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: And when you look at their starting lineup, just as

697
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,760
like a specific example, which is killed opponents, how many

698
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,400
above average shooters would you be prepared prepared to guarant

699
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,280
and it would be the same. It's the same answer

700
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,239
if Steven Adams was in the lineup, Just to be honest,

701
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,760
but it should be one find yourself now, Okay, if

702
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,079
we trust Alpa and Shang Gooon, it's two that's you know,

703
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
that's going to be if he At the same time, though,

704
00:34:44,119 --> 00:34:47,199
if reads I would make this about Reed Shepherd, if

705
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,880
he continues to progress and gives you a curve ball

706
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,400
to where maybe you have to move away from some

707
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,639
of your base lineups in the playoffs. But if he's

708
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,719
just more seasoned, more ready, that might give them a

709
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,159
different type of offensive audible that would be. And like

710
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,320
him and Shangoon kind of have like a nice connection too,

711
00:35:01,519 --> 00:35:06,840
So I this is it's weird that we were on

712
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,039
the fence of the Rockets as contenders this season without

713
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:10,960
a trade once Red van Fleet went down. But I

714
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,639
kind of buy the science experiment that we're seeing. Even

715
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,199
if I recognize everything you said is right to where

716
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:19,800
they're probably gonna have to find different ways to win

717
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,440
basketball games. We are should say, score the basketball in

718
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:23,119
the playoffs.

719
00:35:23,159 --> 00:35:26,159
Speaker 3: I think, to their credit, this is the best you

720
00:35:26,199 --> 00:35:28,199
can This is the right way to play with this

721
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,079
collection of players. Right, It's it's extreme, but it's you

722
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,039
have an extreme roster, so you've got to try different

723
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:39,000
stuff and you're gonna be subjected to like extreme defensive coverages.

724
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:42,199
And they've they've done the best they can. I think,

725
00:35:42,519 --> 00:35:46,159
beaten expectations, certainly for dealing with what we sort of

726
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,000
maybe thought was coming, like all the zone and all

727
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,960
in the turnover issues and all that stuff. Like I think,

728
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:56,760
if anything, you definitely credit the Rockets for playing in

729
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,960
a way that makes the most sense for the players

730
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,480
they have, even if it means conceding like we're gonna

731
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960
look pretty extreme.

732
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: I'll take the next pick because it is my pick.

733
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: I kind of want to talk about the Pistons, but

734
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:11,960
I feel like you'll talk about the Pistons, so I'm

735
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,280
gonna talk about Grant. The Phoenix Suns are they are?

736
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,320
They actually good? There is some noise to their performance

737
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,719
as we sit here. They are to eight and five

738
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:28,320
A seven four G five. They've had, per ESPN's BPI index,

739
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,480
the easiest schedule in the league. They've gotten to play

740
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,280
the Clippers three times. That's always that's that's good for teams.

741
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,840
There are some things about this roster. I thought they

742
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,360
would maybe play faster, But if you're gonna build everything

743
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,599
around Devin Booker, I probably just need to be resigned

744
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:44,159
to the fact that you're always gonna be a little

745
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:47,320
bit more deliberate with how you operate. Top ten in

746
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,360
offense and defense. The Spurs are the only team above

747
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,679
five hundred that they've beaten. I don't know that I

748
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,280
care just because you declared Reed Shepherd dead. I had

749
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,119
the Sun's doa entering this season, and now we're looking

750
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,000
at this. I wasn't I've never been a Mark Williams guy.

751
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,480
Mark Williams is turning me into a Mark Williams guy

752
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,039
this season. The teams are getting into the rim so

753
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:10,880
much less when he's on the court.

754
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: He's actually like been on the perimeter.

755
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Okay, defensively, you don't have to do anything fancy with him.

756
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,159
On the offensive end, he's just going to be able

757
00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:21,400
to clean up plays or finish at the basket.

758
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 2: He's been an excellent fit.

759
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:27,559
Speaker 1: The fact that they're not this god awful rebounding team

760
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:31,719
when they just feel so small. They're eighth in offensive,

761
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,559
rebounding in sixth, like sixteenth in defense. I'm not great,

762
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,000
But when you haven't really gotten anything out of let'spect

763
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:42,480
that you're not playing malawatch Nick Richards not really playing

764
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,840
OsO Gadara hasn't been very good until his previous game.

765
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Maybe he showed signs of light. Yeah, he's not very good,

766
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,400
and then he posts a plus fifty two in their

767
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,320
win over the Pacers.

768
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,079
Speaker 3: I was forever in on Igadaro, like he's you know what,

769
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,840
He's moved into the Gabe Vincent tier of like four

770
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,079
years ago, where I only ever see his good games,

771
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:00,960
and I'm just like, oh, he's great. He should play more.

772
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,599
Speaker 1: He's a smart player, and so you have hopeful there

773
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:05,159
there's like adepth to this team.

774
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: Now.

775
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,760
Speaker 1: Royce O'Neill, I think I've said this on the podcast before,

776
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,840
probably just one of the most underrated players in the

777
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,519
past decade to where it just comes in. He's gonna

778
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:15,400
knock down his threes, make the decisions you need, not

779
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,400
gonna cannibalize anything on offense, players role on defense.

780
00:38:18,679 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 2: And then Grayson Allen is he's now.

781
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: He's having one of those seasons where it's, oh, is

782
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,000
his contract now with Steel or it's like when he

783
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:26,760
was having the season, it's oh, the Suns have to

784
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,679
extend him. He's done great work from beyond the arc.

785
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,239
He's done excellent work on his drives. So like having

786
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,880
that as a funnel to your offense. This team, grant,

787
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,800
I don't look at them and say we have there's

788
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,000
so much time left in the season, but you're looking

789
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:47,800
at the performances that they're getting out of these plays.

790
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,360
Even just Ryan Dunn is gonna be their best shot

791
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,840
blocker they're starting five is kind of would you have expected.

792
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,159
So when you look at who they're starting right now,

793
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:01,599
would you've expected Ryan Dunn to have been in there?

794
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,119
Or do you think that O'Neil Booker, Alan Williams Brooks

795
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,119
always would have been your default at full strength.

796
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,559
Speaker 3: No, I think it would have made sense to try

797
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,480
Done and Brooks together. I think that was discussed right,

798
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,679
especially it was going to be Booker and Green in

799
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,840
the backboard and Green. But we should mention as like

800
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,920
basically not played because he had a hamstring, and then

801
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,639
he played and then he reaggravated it. Yeah, I mean

802
00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,559
Alan is the one that I don't think anybody projected

803
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:30,280
as a starter because where would you fit him. But

804
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,320
other than Booker, he's just been like pretty obviously their

805
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,880
best player just because of this, not just the shooting.

806
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,559
The shooting's kind of a given with him, but the

807
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,039
volumes higher than it's ever been, and the inside the

808
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,559
arc game looks better on pace for a career high

809
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:48,599
and assists and just has more on ball stuff. Then

810
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,360
maybe he got an opportunity to show or are credit

811
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,079
him to probably for just realizing like, hey, we don't

812
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:55,880
have a point guard. I better like brush up on

813
00:39:55,920 --> 00:40:00,400
my creation skills. He's been really great, I think the

814
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,880
most interesting thing to me. And I'm maybe I'm just

815
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,960
like telling on myself, but I really do think I

816
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,239
and probably a lot of people, let just the debacle

817
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,480
of ownership affect how we look at the group that

818
00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:19,079
is gonna take the floor this season, right, because it's

819
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,480
almost like, well, if this like set of knuckleheads put

820
00:40:22,519 --> 00:40:26,360
this personnel together, this personnel sucks. It has to, right

821
00:40:26,559 --> 00:40:29,800
because everything that this ownership group and this management group

822
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,760
has done makes no sense. Like all they do is

823
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,360
hire Michigan State people. They can't figure out how to

824
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,280
make trades. They don't evaluate talent very well, like you've

825
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,760
really you've got to have Mark Williams, Is that like

826
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,760
I think we I think I just let the total

827
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:47,480
lack of faith in the organization make it so I

828
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,199
couldn't look at the collection of talent clearly. And that

829
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,760
even extended to like, oh, good, idea, let's go without

830
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,519
a point guard. I'm sure that'll go great. And it's like, well,

831
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,639
it's not a yeah, well, first of all, I saw

832
00:40:59,679 --> 00:41:02,920
him come, and I think that extens of Jorde not

833
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,239
too It's like, well, so if Jordan not was hired

834
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:09,880
by these people's he's unqualified or like or you know

835
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,840
what I mean, like, and that's just objectively false. The

836
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,360
Sons are playing hard, they're moving the ball like they

837
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,119
take they're taking three like they're playing They're doing a

838
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,199
lot of the smart stuff that a good coach would

839
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:23,880
have you do. And I just didn't give enough of

840
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,840
a chance to any of that good stuff happening because

841
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,719
of Ishbia and because of the way that this team

842
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,159
has been run, so uh maya kolpa on that front. Also,

843
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,440
the schedule sucks and we'll probably walk back most of

844
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:35,400
this in two weeks.

845
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,119
Speaker 1: I will say after I give odd credit for moving

846
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,960
away from the and they've had scattershot availability getting back

847
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,840
to that starting line, I think real quick getting away

848
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,599
from Okay, they were trying done in there, and now

849
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,239
it's like now they're current starting five as an offensive

850
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,159
rating a one thirty one, and the sample size is

851
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000
relative to this season is not all that small. Now

852
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,239
we have to see what it looks like when they're

853
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,519
going to go up against a tougher schedule. But if

854
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:02,679
you were gonna look at the Suns and even their

855
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,559
schedule through the first thirteen games of the season, would

856
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,760
you have given them an eight and five record, because

857
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,000
I would have given them that win.

858
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: Over San Antonio.

859
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,079
Speaker 1: I would have given them either of those wins over

860
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:15,800
the Clippers, and honestly, I probably would have expected them

861
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:16,199
to lose.

862
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: We weren't super high on Dallas relatives to the consensus

863
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:20,519
or the Pacers.

864
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: We both hit their under but those two teams have

865
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,199
been way worse than a lot of people were expecting.

866
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,159
So who does to this day? You're right, though, we

867
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,840
probably let just the stain of the previous few seasons,

868
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,880
and it's kind of hard to take an organization seriously.

869
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,039
When one of the most emphatic rebukes that your owner,

870
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,280
Matt Ishbia gave is when he saw preseason predictions comes

871
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,360
out and said, yeah.

872
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:44,079
Speaker 2: Well they thought we were gonna be good last year,

873
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:45,119
so they.

874
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 3: Know showed you. Yeah. How do you feel about Dylan

875
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Brooks wearing sunglasses inside so often? Every time he's on

876
00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:54,599
the bench, he's got sunglasses on. What are you your thoughts?

877
00:42:55,519 --> 00:42:58,079
Speaker 1: I like this team right now, so I'm going to

878
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:00,360
allow it. They're kind of at the it's where I

879
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,840
was okay with Dylan Brooks's vibe, but early on in

880
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,559
that Grizzlies run before that, he just became grading.

881
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,519
Speaker 2: He's not grading on me with the sun Jet. But

882
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,199
as a.

883
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: General rule, anyone who wears sunglasses indoor indoors, I feel

884
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,480
like they kind of suck as a human being.

885
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 3: Is that I don't trust it. I don't trustrust it either. Yeah,

886
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,440
it's what are you hiding?

887
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: All right?

888
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

889
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: Costume?

890
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: Or is it a bit like Jimmy Butler coming in EMO?

891
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:26,159
Then that's fine? But I don't with him.

892
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: I think he does bits.

893
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: I think Bill Dylan Brooks kind of is doing bits,

894
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,039
except like he's not in on him. So it's like,

895
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,280
so I don't I don't know. He's a fascinating character.

896
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,559
I don't support indoor sunglass wearing. I want to be

897
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:40,679
on the record.

898
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,679
Speaker 2: You're on the record, and I'm with you there.

899
00:43:43,519 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: And I'm on the clock also, so I'm gonna you.

900
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,119
You chose you guess correctly. I would like to talk

901
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,880
about the Detroit Pistons paint nominance now, I.

902
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,119
Speaker 2: Could you at least call them by their name? The

903
00:43:55,159 --> 00:43:56,559
first place Detroit.

904
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:00,559
Speaker 3: Pists the East leading. Is it not a eight nine

905
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,800
game winning streak or whatever? It is the unbeatable of

906
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,360
late Detroit Pistons. The kid Cunningham will shoot as often

907
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,320
as he needs to to win you the game. And like,

908
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:13,559
I don't want to get into that game. That was

909
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,400
just a wild I just I still can't process taking

910
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,039
that many shots and missing that many and still having

911
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,840
a positive positive plus minus when you do that.

912
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,559
Speaker 1: But that's my whole thing is people, First of all,

913
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:27,800
you want the housey on days of like when Kobe

914
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,239
went at it alone, and then we get I'm not

915
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,280
saying you specifically, you get it, and now you're complaining

916
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:33,800
about it.

917
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: It's sort of you have nostalgia until you witness it.

918
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,039
Speaker 1: But I just want to point out before you carry on,

919
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:40,840
because this is one of my pistons points. Kate's efficiency

920
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,199
is relatively gabaged, not good. The workload he is shouldering

921
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,280
in that game and overall is categorically insane. Shake Gilders,

922
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Alexander and you know this player is coming. Tarren Shannon

923
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:55,440
Junior apparently are the only players that are getting more

924
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,920
of their buckets unassisted. This is just not having Dennish shrewd,

925
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,400
like going from Karaselfirs has been a little bit better lately,

926
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,239
but not having Jade and Ivy healthy there. I just

927
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,320
don't think people are appreciating, especially how banged up they are.

928
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,199
I'm not giving him a like, yes, there are players

929
00:45:10,199 --> 00:45:13,320
who would be more efficient in this role. Like you

930
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,440
go from a guy who wasn't really taking self created threes,

931
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:17,960
so now that's basically all.

932
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 2: He can take with this roster. That was my cake

933
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,559
cunning hit. I just find it. No, Yeah, I was.

934
00:45:23,519 --> 00:45:25,800
Speaker 3: Being tongue in cheek. I mean, like I think, if any,

935
00:45:26,119 --> 00:45:28,719
my main takeaway from that was like, that's a physical feat,

936
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,199
Like that's an incredible achievement that he was able to

937
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,760
do that. And I don't mean that like in a

938
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,880
negative like smart ass way. It's like that's amazing, and

939
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,920
that ties into like, yeah, we're gonna I'm not gonna

940
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,920
talk about Kaid that much just because I don't he's

941
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,599
been spectacular. I think he's you can point to some

942
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:46,840
of the efficiency stuff, but like I think he's better

943
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:48,559
now than he was last year and what was a

944
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:52,039
breakout year. I think he's doing what he has to

945
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,719
do on this team right now because of it's it's

946
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,280
shortcomings in the playmaking department. I think like he actually

947
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,639
has to do that, and so I'm not going to

948
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,840
dig him for inefficiency.

949
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: Well, since we're just gonna wrap up, I just have

950
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,800
one question. This is I don't even expect a response.

951
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:13,639
How many primary ball handlers or primary offensive engines are

952
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,000
as good defensively as Kate Cunningham right now?

953
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 3: Oh man, I mean, let's just go through the Like

954
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:26,159
Shay doesn't play quite the same position. Maybe kid's bigger

955
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,280
and so like the can do lowman stuff. Yeah, can

956
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:33,679
do lowman stuff for sure. Yeah, Luca, No, not close.

957
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,719
Like maybe you would a point it's like Tatum, like

958
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,679
healthy Tatum maybe would have been like Tatum. I think

959
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,079
healthy is a better defender, but I think Kid's probably

960
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:45,360
like capable of at least as much offensively. I don't know,

961
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,199
that's the only name that comes to mind, like all

962
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,719
the other like Anthony Edwards No, uh, steph No, Like

963
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,639
I don't know where we even how far down the

964
00:46:53,639 --> 00:46:55,280
list we have to go. Am I missing somebody?

965
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm if he's there, has to be like he's in

966
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,280
the if we're there to do a rankings, if he's

967
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,800
lower than third, I would probably be pretty serp because

968
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,159
you're going it's just who else is there? There would

969
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:08,679
be Tatum who's not playing right now, right, and Shay

970
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:12,920
and I think maybe Edwards, But just like Kate Cunningham,

971
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,920
if you're if you're splitting hairs between them, it's well,

972
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,800
kay Cunningham is a better passer, which is looking at

973
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,519
who can carry his workload offensively and then do what

974
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:20,719
he's doing defensively.

975
00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:23,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's maybe two.

976
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: Other guys that you would trust to do that, and

977
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,000
that might am I being overly generous there?

978
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 2: That was just something I'd been thinking about.

979
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: Like peak Jimmy Butler something like that, or I mean

980
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,800
even then, I don't know, right, Yeah, it's a short list.

981
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,599
Speaker 1: It's honestly, Tatum is probably the best comp just because

982
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:40,119
their game when you look at oh, we want more

983
00:47:40,159 --> 00:47:41,800
from the rim to like you say the same stuff

984
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,440
about Kate. Kate is the better passer though, But yeah,

985
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,239
I'm just I think that needs to be This is

986
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,320
not a PSA to you, really, I'm just using I

987
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,119
think that also needs to be kind of factor. And

988
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:53,239
when we're looking at what's happening on the offensive end

989
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:53,719
as well.

990
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,079
Speaker 3: So when does the uh, when does he start getting

991
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,280
the label of the best two way player?

992
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: You know what?

993
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 3: I mean that we like to throw that out for

994
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,920
the guy that we all agree is not the best

995
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,639
player in the league, but but the best always just

996
00:48:06,639 --> 00:48:09,039
the bit you know. Again, you can hear it on

997
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:11,039
the broadcast now, it's like, Doris, I think he's the

998
00:48:11,079 --> 00:48:13,239
best two he's the best two way player in the league.

999
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,360
Is there anyone else in that? Like that's coming right

1000
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,599
because just because that's how we'll have to discuss him.

1001
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:21,039
Speaker 1: Don't you think they normally gravitate towards people in that

1002
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,639
who are more inherently their raw efficiency is better on offense,

1003
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:25,800
so that might keep him out of it.

1004
00:48:26,199 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just that's such a weird designation

1005
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:30,840
though it only goes it never goes to the actual

1006
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,519
best player in the league. But it's the one that

1007
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,079
like is very good but also is very good on defense.

1008
00:48:36,159 --> 00:48:38,599
Like even like Jada gets a lot of like, oh,

1009
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:40,440
that's such a phenomenal two way player.

1010
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: You know, when did we start was this? Was this

1011
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,440
the Kawhi effect? Is that the first time?

1012
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: That's yeah, maybe that's yeah, right, because if he's not

1013
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,920
gonna win MVP, we have to acknowledge he's the best

1014
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,079
two way guy in the league. Yeah, we weren't.

1015
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,079
Speaker 2: Gonna talk about k Cunningham.

1016
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 3: No, it's that's that's what this whole thing is. I

1017
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,519
just want to talk about the Pistons points and the

1018
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:03,440
paint stuff because it's it's bonkers. They score the most

1019
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:05,000
points in the pay per game, and they allow the

1020
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:09,119
fourth fewest. They are allowing bottom ten rimiteen frequency and accuracy.

1021
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:12,119
When Isaiah Stewart is in the game, it gets impossible

1022
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,119
to score around the basket. Opponents have an eleven point

1023
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:18,599
one percent decline in rim accuracy when he plays. That's

1024
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,840
a ninety third percentile figure among BIGS, and they lose

1025
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,079
nine point three percent off of their attempt frequency, that's

1026
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:29,320
a ninety ninth percentile. The Pistons also, this is this

1027
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
is what I want from my Pistons. By the way,

1028
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:36,320
they allow the highest opponent free throw rate in the league,

1029
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,280
which means they foul all the time, which is just like, yeah,

1030
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:41,920
that's that's what you gotta do. If you're a true

1031
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:45,800
Pistons team, whether it's like nineteen ninety or two thousand

1032
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,840
and four, you gotta be physical. And there they are that.

1033
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,880
So I'm wondering as a result of this, like it

1034
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,159
won just before I get to what I'm wondering, the

1035
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,320
cad plus just dominate the rim is a recipe I'm

1036
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,800
very much in favor of and I would like to

1037
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,119
see more. I think that's really an interesting way for

1038
00:50:05,159 --> 00:50:08,119
them to play in much the same way as the Rockets, Like,

1039
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:10,280
given the personnel they have, which is to say, lacking

1040
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,320
a secondary creator that can really give you dynamic offense,

1041
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,840
I think this is how the Pistons should play. Like

1042
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,599
they kill it inside with Jalen, Duran and Stewart sometimes

1043
00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:23,079
together and kid like just does enough to create offense.

1044
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:27,639
And that's that's the recipe I'm wondering Dan if between

1045
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,239
this team between the rockets between like I don't know,

1046
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,960
say the thunder who are not defined by three point shooting?

1047
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,880
Are we like can not close the can we close

1048
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,440
the not quite close the book on the patients base

1049
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,920
three point era thing because some other teams are still

1050
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,960
doing that to even crazier degrees. But like, is the

1051
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,000
rim and the paint? Now? Are we back to where

1052
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,360
like that's what we talk about when like, if you're

1053
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,800
a good team, you have to dominate this area, or

1054
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,440
at least if you're not a team with Steph Curry

1055
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,880
and or like a Celtics level three point attempt to right,

1056
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,679
is this where we're back to where we're gonna get rebounds,

1057
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,440
We're gonna deny attempts and accuracy inside and that's gonna

1058
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,719
get us really far if we can't do the other stuff.

1059
00:51:10,519 --> 00:51:12,559
Speaker 1: I think we might be back. But doesn't it feel

1060
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,519
one This is definitely a response to some of the

1061
00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,360
team builds that squads were championing and still are to

1062
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,480
some extent, But don't you also feel that there's just

1063
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,679
I know, although I haven't heard much talk about the

1064
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,639
NBA being too homogeneous now, but this also feels like

1065
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,480
there's more variability just in the way teams are playing,

1066
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:33,559
because even if you look at let's use Detroit and Houston,

1067
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,320
who there's a lot of similar analogs there. Their offenses

1068
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:38,440
don't let their defense, the way they're getting their offensive

1069
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,599
rebounds don't necessarily always look the same. So yes, I

1070
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,519
like offensive rebounding is back. That's been established over the

1071
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,920
past few years, and we like the next market efficiency.

1072
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,000
What you're saying about the rim stuff like, sure, that's up,

1073
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,119
But it just feels like maybe it's because there are

1074
00:51:52,199 --> 00:51:55,199
quicker responses to things that are happening. It feels on

1075
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,000
a night to night basis. For me, I just feel

1076
00:51:58,039 --> 00:52:00,679
like there's more variability in the waste because you look

1077
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:03,239
at some teams the way they're pressing on defense, some

1078
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,079
teams the Blazers deciding like we basically need to begin

1079
00:52:06,199 --> 00:52:09,039
possessions like past half court when we're righting the ball somehow,

1080
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,400
it's there's so many different things happening. It makes I

1081
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,039
will say, just selfishly because I only care about me,

1082
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:16,360
it makes my job way harder.

1083
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,559
Speaker 2: But it's also just I don't feel the.

1084
00:52:19,639 --> 00:52:24,519
Speaker 1: Experience is the same basically across like really any matchup anymore.

1085
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,199
Speaker 3: I think it's it's exciting because all this stuff, all

1086
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,039
these different styles, and I agree just like watch a

1087
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,599
Heat game and or a Blazers game and then watch

1088
00:52:35,679 --> 00:52:37,280
like a Rockets game, and it's like, this is not

1089
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,000
the same sport you know, for long stretches that these

1090
00:52:40,039 --> 00:52:43,599
two teams are playing. But like all of this stuff

1091
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:46,440
is born out of some of it's copycat. Everyone cites

1092
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,320
the Pacers and and the just how they how they

1093
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,480
play it as as the impetus for like Memphis last year,

1094
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,960
I guess, and and Miami and some other teams that

1095
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,800
are playing similarly. But like everyone's just looking for exploitable

1096
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,199
uh market inefficiencies and it turns out there's like there's

1097
00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:06,480
more than one. You know, you can depending on your personnel. Hey,

1098
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,039
you know what, it would be insane if the Rockets

1099
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:11,000
tried to play like the Heat, right or be it

1100
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,199
would be insane if the Blazers tried to play like

1101
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,880
the Pistol. Like there's just so I think teams are

1102
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,119
obviously getting smarter, like on balance in terms of figuring

1103
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:23,119
out what the market inefficiencies are and how can we

1104
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,440
like not cheat but like exploit, like how do we

1105
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,320
how do we maximize you know, these advantages, but then

1106
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,599
the next step is like realizing what kind of personnel

1107
00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:36,360
you have and then choosing a particular inefficiency to try

1108
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,119
to capitalize on. And that's just what makes for tons

1109
00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:41,639
of variety because no two rosters are the same, and

1110
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,199
the smarter teams get about looking at like, all, right,

1111
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,760
where are we gonna have some marginal gains or where

1112
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,599
can we where can we game it just based on

1113
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:52,400
who we have. That's like, that's pretty cool, and that's

1114
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:56,320
that's creating I think maybe like I don't know, it's hyperbolic,

1115
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,159
but like in terms of breadth of styles, I can't

1116
00:53:59,159 --> 00:54:02,280
remember the last time we had so many different like

1117
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,000
just types of teams to try to analyze. And you're right,

1118
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:08,440
it does make it harder to keep up with everybody.

1119
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,039
Speaker 1: And something i'd been when you now that you ask

1120
00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:14,119
that question, you gave your response. So the Duran Stuart

1121
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,199
minutes to bring us back to the Pistons one. The

1122
00:54:16,199 --> 00:54:18,480
Pistons are a plus twenty five in those minutes. Their

1123
00:54:18,519 --> 00:54:21,360
net rating is insane. You were mentioning the rim stuff.

1124
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:25,840
The average team Grant takes thirty one point five percent

1125
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,280
of their shots at the rim. The average team shoots

1126
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,119
sixty seven point two percent at the rim when Duran

1127
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:38,840
and Stuart are on the court, opponents are taking fifteen

1128
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,239
point three percent of their shots that they rib and

1129
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,840
they're shooting forty five.

1130
00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: Point eight percent. That is nuts.

1131
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: But what I wanted to ask you, like, coming off

1132
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:52,519
of that, do you get to a point where is

1133
00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:54,559
this deliberate when we're this is like more of an

1134
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:57,119
NBA ride question, or does one kind of beget the

1135
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,599
other to where, well, if we're gonna play Duran and

1136
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,599
Stuart together as an example, or maybe they're looking at

1137
00:55:01,639 --> 00:55:03,280
it through the lens of well, if we were gonna

1138
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,519
have Thompson and Durham together on the floor, let's just

1139
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:08,320
throw out another non shooter in Isaiah Stewart and try

1140
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,719
and do more to either one attack the rim on

1141
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,039
the other side, or in the Pistons case, to wall

1142
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,840
it off even more. Is it Do you think it's

1143
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,119
more of a conscious decision to say, hey, we're because

1144
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:21,239
it feels like if you're gonna go dual big or

1145
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:23,760
once you have two non shooters on the floor, I

1146
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,400
feel like I'm seeing more teams kind of decide like

1147
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,239
why not just put a third NIGHTE like we're not

1148
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:33,039
get a free responsor is a deliberate response to say

1149
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:34,400
this is what we're going to try.

1150
00:55:34,519 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 3: I don't. Yeah, right, that's really interesting because normally you'd say, well,

1151
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,639
if you're gonna have Duran alone, you you just you

1152
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:44,199
can't even play Thompson like you have you are let alone,

1153
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,920
Holland you gotta have you need shooters everywhere if you

1154
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:51,239
have one nonspacer would be like conventional wisdom right over

1155
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,159
the last however many years. I think you're right. I

1156
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:58,960
think it's like, well, we can try to balance this

1157
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,119
deficiency or we can just turn it into a strength

1158
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,000
by making the other team have to play different guys

1159
00:56:05,039 --> 00:56:07,639
to compensate or to like account for what we're gonna do,

1160
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:11,719
which is to just have more non spacing, offensive, rebounding,

1161
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:16,519
physical forces in the game. That's really interesting again, and

1162
00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:19,400
there's no way to sort of vet this theory until

1163
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,400
we get there. I wonder what happens in the playoffs

1164
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:28,519
when you have more prepared, theoretically better smarter opponents that

1165
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,239
we'll say, okay, you can put all these big guys

1166
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,960
out there and sacrifice your spacing, we'll capitalize on it.

1167
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,119
This way and make it so you can't get away

1168
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,840
with it, or I mean it'll be case by case

1169
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,199
probably right, because there will be teams that can, like

1170
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,800
a Houston comes to mind as potentially, and maybe Detroit's

1171
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:52,320
another that can just they don't care about conventional skill

1172
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,840
set balance and they'll just force you know, who's going

1173
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,360
to force who to adjust? That's always the classic playoff question.

1174
00:56:57,719 --> 00:56:59,760
Now we just have some more extremes to kind of

1175
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:00,880
row into that mix.

1176
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 1: Now do we think you kind of mentioned this about

1177
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,519
when we were talking about it with the Rockets. This

1178
00:57:06,679 --> 00:57:09,119
is that I don't trust their offense in a playoff

1179
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:11,639
context yet. If Jay and Ivy comes back, maybe, but

1180
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,800
there's just so many questions there is this as currently constructed.

1181
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,840
Would you call the Pistons legitimate contenders in the East?

1182
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,719
Are they one player short? Can you please explain to

1183
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:22,800
the kids at home why no?

1184
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 2: They are not a good Anthony Davis trade destination. I've

1185
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,519
seen them, I've seen them mentioned.

1186
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,079
Speaker 1: Ridiculous entirely too much. I think we even mort and

1187
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:31,679
I might have even brought them up in the Nico.

1188
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:34,920
But as a I remember I hope I said let's

1189
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:36,960
just keep it. They just don't make a ton, but

1190
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,880
I've seen them mentioned as just I know they need

1191
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,159
to make a move, but Anthony Davis is not a four.

1192
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,920
It seems like they need more offensive generation alongside kid.

1193
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,079
Whether you want that in the form of another guard

1194
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,559
or is it a combo three to four. Lowry Markin

1195
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:53,360
is the name that's gonna get mentioned to no end,

1196
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:57,519
but I think I don't want to see them go

1197
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,360
to all In. But they're good enough to wear. It's

1198
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,239
I don't know what you call player X, the finishing piece,

1199
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,320
but yeah, I could say they need to be fairly aggressive.

1200
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,719
Speaker 2: It's fine to let this play out.

1201
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:11,199
Speaker 1: Maybe you continue to get better and you're looking offensively

1202
00:58:11,199 --> 00:58:13,280
and it just maybe it all clicks in the playoffs,

1203
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:16,000
but that would be the move is to you need

1204
00:58:16,039 --> 00:58:18,239
to go after someone who is going to improve your

1205
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:21,119
offense both being able to play off caid and then

1206
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,880
in some of those non CAD minutes which they're winning

1207
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,639
right now, but not offensively.

1208
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,639
Speaker 3: I think if you sort of let it ride as

1209
00:58:29,639 --> 00:58:31,679
the Pistons and you don't go out and try to

1210
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:35,960
find the secondary creator you might want or a market

1211
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,559
in type to space the floor, you're really putting all

1212
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:42,280
your eggs in the Jalen Durham basket because him as

1213
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,719
a short role passer and is like it's like a

1214
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,480
sneakily more dangerous isolating against opposing bigs and setting teammates

1215
00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:52,880
up kind of threat. You're really relying on him a lot,

1216
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,679
and to a lesser extent ivy once he's healthy. But

1217
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,800
because that's what teams will do, right, they'll put two

1218
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,480
on the ball when Kate has it forced it out

1219
00:59:01,519 --> 00:59:03,639
of his hands, the outlet will probably be Duran and

1220
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:06,719
he'll be going downhill, hopefully in a four on three.

1221
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,519
And it's like, how many players can Jalen Duran make

1222
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,440
against a playoff defense? Over and over and over? I mean,

1223
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,119
he better than he'll do better than most, right, Like

1224
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:20,199
he's he's has real chops in that role. Can you

1225
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,960
win a Can you make a conference finals doing that?

1226
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:27,559
I don't. That's that's hard for me to believe. Maybe

1227
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:30,360
maybe the answer is yes, if you can sustain all

1228
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,679
of your other like crazy dominant traits, you know, the

1229
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:37,119
paint stuff, the rim protection. But on balance, that's that's

1230
00:59:37,159 --> 00:59:39,360
a lot to put on his plate, right. Guess hey,

1231
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,639
Jalen Duran, you have to save our offense in a

1232
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,000
playoffs three like, that's that's pretty tough.

1233
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: They're also built weird in the sense that I know

1234
00:59:48,519 --> 00:59:51,159
they have the Tobias Harris salary, but if we were

1235
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:53,719
to say, should they be a Michael Porter junior team,

1236
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:55,519
because if he came in here, he probably should a

1237
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:56,800
trillion percent from three. I'm not gonna be you a

1238
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,079
ton of creation. But you only want to get there

1239
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:01,400
using salary. You don't like that's not a player you're

1240
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,239
and so to get there using salaries?

1241
01:00:03,239 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 2: It are you giving up both Tobias Harrison.

1242
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 1: Who you're not getting up as a stewart you're gonna

1243
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,440
give with Carris Lavert and that you have Duncan Robinson?

1244
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:11,559
Speaker 2: Is that is that worth it?

1245
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,719
Speaker 1: So they're almost if they're gonna make a move, they

1246
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:15,760
could make smaller moves. I want to be clear, but

1247
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,599
it almost has to be kind of in under the

1248
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:20,760
radar move to keep a theme with this podcast draft

1249
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,199
or oh they really the Pistons really went for it

1250
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,119
like they would be. I don't know what's going on

1251
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:27,079
in Memphis, and it seems like they're more married to

1252
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,039
him than anybody else. Believe they'd be a fun Jaron

1253
01:00:29,079 --> 01:00:31,119
Jackson Junior team he became available.

1254
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:33,599
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. I like the Stewart and

1255
01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:37,480
Duran combos so much that I just give me one,

1256
01:00:37,639 --> 01:00:39,800
give me healthy Jade and Ivy that picks up exactly

1257
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:41,719
where he left off last year. That that'd be the

1258
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:43,360
best case. You don't have to give anything up. He

1259
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:47,639
just joins the team. Uh, to give me someone that

1260
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:49,920
can do what Ivy's supposed to do, but better like

1261
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,079
in that I need the secondary guy, ideally at the

1262
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,400
other backcourt spot, I think, to really make to shore

1263
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,280
up that weakness, I think, and take something off kid's plate.

1264
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: What about Peyton Pritchard if you get him from the Celtics,

1265
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,119
that'd be an interesting one, right, I.

1266
01:01:06,039 --> 01:01:09,119
Speaker 3: Mean, man, just you you throw him thirty feet from

1267
01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,800
the basket too, and just be like, guess what we're

1268
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:13,800
We're gonna dominate the room and you have to space

1269
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,639
out to guard this guy because he will shoot it

1270
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:16,039
from here.

1271
01:01:17,719 --> 01:01:19,559
Speaker 2: It's my pick now, right mm hmm.

1272
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: We're gonna go talk about your Portland Trailblazers.

1273
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm giving you the Portland Trailblazers. You're welcome. We've we

1274
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,360
already talked about on this podcast. How fast.

1275
01:01:29,719 --> 01:01:32,559
Speaker 1: That they like to play to speed with which they're

1276
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,320
playing is insane, but I don't necessarily want to focus

1277
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,880
on that to begin. They are not afraid to play small,

1278
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,239
and I would argue that they might even prefer it.

1279
01:01:40,679 --> 01:01:41,400
Speaker 2: At this point.

1280
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: They have played Grant and thirty six possessions on the

1281
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,639
season as we record this, nearly one quarter of those

1282
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:52,400
possessions have come without a center on the floor. And

1283
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,800
when your centers are young Huntson not really playing young

1284
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,960
handsom sorry I'm mispronounced his name, Donovan Klingon, Robert Lee

1285
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:02,880
the third and what brief. It's not like you don't

1286
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,599
have centers that you, in theory want to play. I

1287
01:02:06,639 --> 01:02:11,800
think because you have Drew Holliday, Danny Avia, Tamani Kamara,

1288
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:16,039
Jeremy Grant, it's almost forcing them to like those are

1289
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,280
we just named how many of their best players and

1290
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,920
we don't really with Scoot Henderson injured and Damian Lillard injured,

1291
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,559
we don't have that traditional guard We're gonna lean in

1292
01:02:24,599 --> 01:02:27,480
to all of like this non center looks and it's

1293
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:28,360
a non point guard.

1294
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,719
Speaker 2: Look their lineup.

1295
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: Their most used lineup in this situation has been Avdia Holiday,

1296
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,280
Sharp Kamara Jeremy Grant. That lineup, I just want to say,

1297
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,840
as fun as hell. Every time I've seen it. Eighty

1298
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,440
seven lineups Grant have locked at least twenty five minutes

1299
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,760
on the season. The offensive rating of those five is

1300
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,760
the fourth highest, and it's at one forty two point one.

1301
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:53,760
That is insanity. Their average first chance offensive possession is

1302
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:57,320
eleven point nine to nine seconds long. That would rank

1303
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,719
first in the NBA, and I think Portland's either second

1304
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,000
or third overall. That would rank first in the NBA

1305
01:03:03,559 --> 01:03:06,480
by a light year. They are so fast. They've even

1306
01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:09,800
sprinkled in some Chris Murray for shade and sharp in

1307
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,800
that type of a lineup. I love it, and it might,

1308
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,800
you know, lead to some questions about Robert Williams the

1309
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,800
third and some of the minutes we've seen very good.

1310
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,599
You still kind of have hope like donovin Clinton, Fine,

1311
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:24,039
we could get into well if this is their best

1312
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:27,199
version of themselves as this lineup, Yeah, it's kind of cool,

1313
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:29,639
but what does that say about their big man rotation?

1314
01:03:30,239 --> 01:03:32,920
I don't really care. I just love it like they

1315
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,599
are for neetic Jeremy Grant having a good year. Drew

1316
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,320
Holliday's giving them some steadiness. They could look some of

1317
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,440
their That game against the Magic was won an acid

1318
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,960
trip down the stretch where Paalo bank Caro made like

1319
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,679
eight trillion mistakes and a couple had a couple of

1320
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:51,559
heroics too. You look at them sometimes offensively and say, yeah,

1321
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:54,079
they really need someone other than Drew Holliday or Dennyafia

1322
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:55,000
to organize this.

1323
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:56,119
Speaker 2: But they are.

1324
01:03:56,599 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: Fun, they're frenetic, they're they're they're fast, furious, and they're

1325
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,039
kind of good. I don't know where they're gonna land

1326
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:06,800
in the larger landscape of the West. They're kind of

1327
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:09,480
just floating around just above five hundred. But when you

1328
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,639
look at Okay, Damian Lower was never going to play

1329
01:04:12,639 --> 01:04:14,159
this season, but you look at an injury to Scoot,

1330
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,199
you look at some of the moments that Shade Sharp

1331
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,400
has had this year.

1332
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:18,719
Speaker 2: To be in the top.

1333
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: Eight in the Western Conference this far into it like

1334
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,719
that's I would call that an accomplishment. And to be

1335
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,480
just six and three against the Western Conference overall also

1336
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:29,519
kind of another big deal.

1337
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: I think this is just a perfect kind of next

1338
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:35,239
team to talk about because it's it's a it's an

1339
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:37,800
example of what we were we spent most of the

1340
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,239
time on Detroit discussing of this team has a style

1341
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,559
it wants to play, and it's making a choice to

1342
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:47,119
play the players that fit into that style. And it's

1343
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:50,000
not like I guess it's based on the numbers that

1344
01:04:50,039 --> 01:04:51,559
you through out there and I have you know, some

1345
01:04:51,679 --> 01:04:53,840
others like they're plus I have it. I think this

1346
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,039
might be a day old. I don't know if it

1347
01:04:55,039 --> 01:04:57,159
accounts for their last game. They're plus twenty six point

1348
01:04:57,239 --> 01:05:00,760
six with Grant in clinging spot as a starter there

1349
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,960
or not a starter but like the other but they're

1350
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,360
plus two point six with Holiday, Sharp, Kamara Avdia and Clinging.

1351
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,920
And the differences are what you'd expect, like the offensive efficiency,

1352
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,559
the pace off the charts with Grant at center, with Clinging,

1353
01:05:16,159 --> 01:05:19,719
but that smaller, faster group. They don't defend the room.

1354
01:05:20,039 --> 01:05:22,559
Their defense overall is not very good and they give

1355
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:25,519
up a ton of offensive rebounds. You put Clinging in there,

1356
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:27,320
you get what you expect. They do defend the rim,

1357
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:29,039
the defense is pretty good and they get a bunch

1358
01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:32,199
of offensive rebounds. They play slower like there are a

1359
01:05:32,239 --> 01:05:35,480
lot of situations where I guess you'd call it conventional

1360
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:39,880
wisdom or this like a preference for like balance would

1361
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,159
have the Blazers going most of the time with that

1362
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,599
clinging group, right, because it's like, well, we've got our

1363
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:49,119
bases covered here, right, But putting Grant in there and

1364
01:05:49,119 --> 01:05:51,719
playing without a center allows them to kind of do

1365
01:05:52,039 --> 01:05:54,400
the stuff they want to do stylistically, which is be

1366
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,679
fast and disruptive and run and not really offensive, rebound

1367
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,559
or defend the room. So well, I think it's just

1368
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,840
cool that they're choosing that one a lot, you know,

1369
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:05,119
and and this is a total like what's the Paul

1370
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,840
rud meme of like who you look look at us now?

1371
01:06:08,039 --> 01:06:10,079
Because what was the whole thing about Portland is like

1372
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:12,639
they have too many centers? They just with DeAndre and

1373
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Robert clinging, like you can't wreath, you can't play all

1374
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,320
these guys together. And now they're just like, we still

1375
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:20,320
have too many and we just have decided that we

1376
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:22,960
don't always like to play one, which is like, that's great,

1377
01:06:23,239 --> 01:06:25,159
I think. I think again it's an example of like

1378
01:06:25,639 --> 01:06:27,840
there's no one way to do this, and the Blazers

1379
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:31,719
are like choosing their way in very often.

1380
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: They've been a lot more fun than I because we

1381
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:36,800
always talk about the team as they just have a

1382
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,480
lot of dudes and they can be a good watch,

1383
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,599
but the way they're playing now is just they've been

1384
01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:43,159
way more of an enjoyable watch. Even when things are

1385
01:06:43,159 --> 01:06:45,320
going wrong for me, then I just could have bet

1386
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,000
on and there. I still don't have a great feel

1387
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,000
for like what is the endgame or what is the

1388
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,360
direction here? But it's just so fun that you kind

1389
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:54,840
of have to live in the moment with it.

1390
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 2: And there's the shade.

1391
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: Sharp extension that's probably gonna end up being more team

1392
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,199
friendly than not. You have a lot of these guys

1393
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,840
under contract. I've seen a lot of people say sell

1394
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,119
high on Jeremy Grant.

1395
01:07:04,159 --> 01:07:04,719
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1396
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:06,239
Speaker 1: What that even looks like at this but I don't

1397
01:07:06,239 --> 01:07:07,760
think a team is gonna come in and give you

1398
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:10,079
a ton for Jeremy Grant right now. I'm sort of

1399
01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:13,599
I'm not too I'm probably guilty of not living in

1400
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:15,400
the moment enough. When we go look at teams, you're

1401
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,199
always kind of looking, well, what is next? Do we

1402
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:19,239
talk about the Pistons to where it's do they need

1403
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,960
to do anything else to uphold what they're doing right now?

1404
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:25,599
The Blazers are the quintessential. Just just enjoy this, right,

1405
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:27,920
Like we don't like the Scoot stuff, the Damian Liller stuff.

1406
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:29,519
What's gonna happen with this team there's some of their

1407
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,920
older guys. Is that you're gonna want to get more

1408
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,840
out of clinging offensively for sure at some point, and

1409
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,800
we have to see what young Hansm's gonna look like

1410
01:07:36,800 --> 01:07:37,639
in a more extensive role.

1411
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: You would think, I don't care. I'm just gonna enjoy this, right.

1412
01:07:40,199 --> 01:07:42,159
Speaker 1: Like the fact that like Chris and maybe it just

1413
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:44,159
kind of comes along, like Chris Murray not really a

1414
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,559
factor for the first two seasons of his career and

1415
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,280
then just like coming in they have they're playing him

1416
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:49,800
a little bit more.

1417
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:49,960
Speaker 3: Now.

1418
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: This is a really fun team, and the fact that

1419
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,880
their substance to it, I think is even cooler.

1420
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,079
Speaker 3: Do you think I'll get the year wrong? But like,

1421
01:07:56,159 --> 01:08:00,159
do you think twenty seventeen called the Blazers and say, like, hey,

1422
01:08:00,519 --> 01:08:03,199
you know Jeremy Grant, he's really good as a small

1423
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:05,719
ball center. You're not gonna believe it because all the

1424
01:08:05,719 --> 01:08:08,760
stuff in between now and the future will suggest he's

1425
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:12,199
like a primary scoring option. Just try it. Trust us

1426
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,880
and the Blazers are like, okay, like, hey, look, Jeremy

1427
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:17,319
Grant's a really good small ball center. The Thunder could

1428
01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:19,039
have told you that. Maybe the like who else, the

1429
01:08:19,119 --> 01:08:22,000
Nuggets maybe could have told you that. It wasn't twenty seventeen.

1430
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:23,439
I'm gonna have to look that up at some point.

1431
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,680
How long ago it was that, like that was Jeremy

1432
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:26,439
Grant's role.

1433
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:29,119
Speaker 2: Or we all wanted to see him and more of it.

1434
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that was the thing he did for at

1435
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:35,960
least a year. I'm sure that's mostly. Sure, that's right,

1436
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:37,079
let's move on.

1437
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 2: Good.

1438
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,279
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna say really quickly, do you think

1439
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,800
that this is something this trend is something that holds

1440
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:45,399
or is sustainable, not even the results, but just leaning

1441
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,560
that And we're talking about twenty five percent of their possessions,

1442
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,560
but twenty five percent of your possessions with no center on.

1443
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:52,359
Speaker 2: The court's a big deal.

1444
01:08:52,399 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 3: Do you see that holding for them specifically? Yeah? Yeah,

1445
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,560
why not? It's working Like it's the best way for

1446
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,000
them to win at the moment. I think like maybe

1447
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,439
they're actually no, I think I think it is sustainable

1448
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,520
because I like their perimeter defenders so much that that's

1449
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,720
the type of group that can coupled with the pace,

1450
01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:16,279
can help you just get away with not having a

1451
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:18,159
big guy out there. I think I think that's very

1452
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:19,840
I mean, what I would love to see is more

1453
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,600
of them against the teams that play completely opposite styles.

1454
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,800
Like let's get a Houston Portland game. That'd be fun.

1455
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:26,000
Speaker 2: Who do you think it?

1456
01:09:26,199 --> 01:09:31,039
Speaker 3: Just Moore? I bet Portland does. I think you just

1457
01:09:31,399 --> 01:09:34,520
like if they if the Rockets are getting seventy percent

1458
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:36,840
of offensive rebounds, like you're gonna have to do something.

1459
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: I hope Tiago Splitter won't do that.

1460
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,319
Speaker 1: I hope he'll just be obstinate and he'll either play

1461
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:43,199
with only one big or no biggs all. Could you

1462
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:47,039
imagine if you do get an Adam Shangun Smith, Durant

1463
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,479
Thomson lineup versus the Placers small pall lineup would be

1464
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:51,079
so insane.

1465
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:53,079
Speaker 3: I can't I would watch that game. I'll tell you that,

1466
01:09:54,119 --> 01:09:58,439
all right. I would like to next select the Charlotte Hornets.

1467
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:04,640
U unbelievable, all those like, we'll get to it. The

1468
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:09,159
rookies have been awesome, uh they And it's deeply ironic

1469
01:10:09,239 --> 01:10:12,079
that I'm choosing this category and the rookie that I

1470
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:15,000
was like, you know, who's gonna be good Liam McNeely,

1471
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:17,960
And he's the fourth best rookie on the team.

1472
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 2: He has decidedly not been good.

1473
01:10:21,119 --> 01:10:25,399
Speaker 3: No, I was wrong there so far. Yeah, everybody else

1474
01:10:25,399 --> 01:10:27,399
in their first year has been really good. So we're

1475
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:32,399
talking chiefly about Conkinipple basically as advertised plus right, like

1476
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:36,560
the shooting super legit on movement shooter, not just like

1477
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,359
he'll catch it and make it on a standstill. He

1478
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:42,880
understands how to drift to space, where to be to

1479
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,560
create passing angles so he can get catch and shoot stuff.

1480
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,359
He moves great off the ball to create you know,

1481
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:52,319
like kind of Duncan robinsony, type of old school Duncan

1482
01:10:52,399 --> 01:10:55,880
Robinson kind of attempts and as good as a driver

1483
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,520
despite not being that athlete. Like he's just he's what

1484
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,840
we your highest expectations would have been, I think for Nipple.

1485
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:06,640
So he's delivering Ryan Kulkrinner. Okay, So I guess Charlotte's

1486
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,479
biggest weakness is not a center and rim protection because

1487
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,119
between him and diabate, right, but yeah, it's just like

1488
01:11:12,119 --> 01:11:14,199
all right, well he's gonna shoot eighty percent and get

1489
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,479
two blocks a game. We're good. Like that's that's sufficient, right,

1490
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,760
It's lead. Now, Charlotte's not a good team, but it's

1491
01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,479
not like the Pelicans, for example, that center situation is

1492
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,520
playing out how we expected. The Hornets are not in

1493
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,920
that same tier in terms of just totally bereft of

1494
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,119
options because of Calprinner. Seon James is probably the one

1495
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:34,920
I'm most skeptical of because he leads the league in

1496
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,640
three point shooting at like just under sixty percent. But

1497
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,800
good defender has started i think like six times in

1498
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,600
eleven games so far, and he's if he's gonna make threes,

1499
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,199
he's gonna play just because of his energy and his defense. So, like,

1500
01:11:49,119 --> 01:11:53,560
I just is Charlotte despite LaMelo missing more time with

1501
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,640
an ankle and Brandon Miller having the shoulder. Like I

1502
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:59,840
don't know, everything we keep seeing from Charlotte is like

1503
01:12:00,119 --> 01:12:02,520
kind of trust this this management group. I think they

1504
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,239
kind of understand what they're doing. It's just these little

1505
01:12:05,319 --> 01:12:07,840
hits up and down. They keep stacking them up.

1506
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Colin Sexton has been good too. That was a

1507
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,880
great pick up for them. And the other thing I'll

1508
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:17,079
add is so just Calkbrenner excellent hands on the defensive

1509
01:12:17,159 --> 01:12:20,159
end as well. Opponents are shooting nine point two percentage

1510
01:12:20,199 --> 01:12:23,479
points worse when challenged by him inside six feet and

1511
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,239
the see on James thing, the efficiency isn't gonna hold.

1512
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:28,800
But I wonder what might actually do him in more

1513
01:12:29,399 --> 01:12:32,760
is that's just someone who's reluctant to even take a shot.

1514
01:12:33,079 --> 01:12:34,359
Speaker 2: It really feels like there was.

1515
01:12:34,279 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 3: The one seventeen of twenty nine, so he's not like

1516
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:37,600
firing them off.

1517
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:39,279
Speaker 2: I don't remember who they were playing.

1518
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:41,279
Speaker 1: There was one game where he didn't get his first

1519
01:12:41,279 --> 01:12:43,279
field goal attempt until he was in minute twenty four

1520
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,960
or something, and it's the defensive energy is just absurd,

1521
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:48,680
and the way that you could move him around and

1522
01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:50,319
you look at the kind of the guard of the

1523
01:12:50,359 --> 01:12:53,239
people that he has guarded this season, But you're gonna

1524
01:12:53,279 --> 01:12:55,359
need something out of him on offense.

1525
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,039
Speaker 2: As of right now, he's gonna just be hyper efficient,

1526
01:12:58,119 --> 01:13:01,039
only take five shots a game, and hey, like more

1527
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:03,920
power to him. I don't know, Grant this is. I

1528
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:05,840
think you can trust the front office to believe they're

1529
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:06,720
gonna make the right decision.

1530
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:08,159
Speaker 1: But there and we're gonna talk about this in a

1531
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:10,840
future episode more at length. But they're also kind of

1532
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:14,239
at a disadvantage to where in theory, your two most

1533
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:17,600
important players in the building are not playing right now

1534
01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:19,520
and have not played a ton of time together, So

1535
01:13:19,560 --> 01:13:22,159
how do you evaluate these guys in that context? But

1536
01:13:22,199 --> 01:13:24,680
what I will say, so kan k Nipple been on

1537
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,960
fire since LaMelo ball has been out, but all the

1538
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,680
stuff that you mentioned, it's almost like they run the

1539
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,199
offense through him without him being ball dominant. And so

1540
01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:36,439
that's just someone who's going to fit alongside everyone. He's

1541
01:13:36,479 --> 01:13:39,159
just the assists. He get a lot of swing passes,

1542
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,239
he could throw some sprays on his drives, and the

1543
01:13:41,279 --> 01:13:43,439
fact that he is this quick decision maker or even

1544
01:13:43,439 --> 01:13:46,880
when his buckets that require dribbles just don't feel like

1545
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,560
they're taking a ton of time, and he can do

1546
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,039
some stuff like get to the mid range. I just

1547
01:13:51,079 --> 01:13:54,439
look at him as LaMelo and Brandon Miller, just Brandon Miller,

1548
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,239
just LaMelo. It doesn't matter. He is going to fit.

1549
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,279
Speaker 3: He's purely added. He's that kind of offensive player so far,

1550
01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,760
just like it's there's never a situation where it's like, well,

1551
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:08,079
Canipple's out there, so it's gonna mean that this guy

1552
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:10,680
doesn't get to do x it'. That's just he's not

1553
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,079
that way. I think that's that's how I view it.

1554
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:17,159
Speaker 1: And even Seon James, he doesn't want to do anything

1555
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:20,079
on offense, and so that's almost a pure additive.

1556
01:14:20,199 --> 01:14:22,520
Speaker 2: And Calbrenner is he just wants to catch the ball.

1557
01:14:22,359 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 1: Around the basket and finish that way for the most

1558
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,279
It's why he's shooting a trillion percent from the floor.

1559
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:28,319
Speaker 2: So the fact that.

1560
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 1: These guys I don't think need to be marquee developmental

1561
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,680
projects or like they don't need top billing when they're

1562
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,840
on the court, that lends itself to I would say,

1563
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,399
easy transition for Charlotte. And by the way, the other

1564
01:14:41,479 --> 01:14:43,760
number I just wanted to throw out there though, is

1565
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,199
that these three rookies that we're talking about, Canipple, Sion James,

1566
01:14:47,239 --> 01:14:50,760
and Calbrenner, eighty five percent of their minutes together have

1567
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:54,279
come without LaMelo ball and the Hornets have a plus

1568
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:57,760
eleven net rating in those minutes without being thirty six

1569
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,600
percent from three one to twenty, offensive rating sixty percent

1570
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,760
on twos. But that's that's nothing like absolutely bonker. That's good,

1571
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,399
don't get me wrong, and entirely not sustainable. But you're

1572
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,239
winning minutes with three rookies on the court and you're

1573
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:15,920
quote unquote to ten pole players not being alongside though.

1574
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I get what you're saying. Who needs LaMelo?

1575
01:15:18,119 --> 01:15:19,760
I feel like you don't have to say it out loud,

1576
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,079
but I understand that's what you mean.

1577
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:24,319
Speaker 1: Me noted LaMelo. Balls kept Nick damn for a long time.

1578
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:28,960
Then it's my pick now, right, Yeah, let's go. We

1579
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,720
haven't talked about this team yet this season. Noah Clowney

1580
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,920
grant kind of a bright spot for the Nets. Would

1581
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,680
also like to shout out Nicolas Claxton drives her back, baby,

1582
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,199
Those are off the back for the Nets. If you

1583
01:15:39,279 --> 01:15:43,800
look at Noah Clowney's numbers, they're not pretty. The efficiency

1584
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,239
is not there. He's shooting like he's a coin toss

1585
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:50,760
at the rim. His threes aren't really falling. He is, though.

1586
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:53,000
You put the ball in his hands and you get

1587
01:15:53,039 --> 01:15:56,000
him going downhill, he could make some things happen. He's

1588
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,800
shooting five of nine from Florida range right now. He's

1589
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,840
gotten stronger and he's gotten a lot better at drawing

1590
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,079
contact when he's going downhill. He's getting fouled on twenty

1591
01:16:05,119 --> 01:16:08,800
four point two percent of his drives among one hundred

1592
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:11,239
and seventy three players who have finished as many drives

1593
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:14,319
as him. That is the second highest foul rate. Would

1594
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:16,479
you care to guess who has the highest foul rate?

1595
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:18,760
And I will give you the hint of we've already

1596
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:20,119
talked about him.

1597
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,920
Speaker 2: Is it just Shay, it's Jailen Duran.

1598
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh, I've I've never felt more. I've never felt more

1599
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,119
like Jalen Durrant seems to be doing a bet. This

1600
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:30,840
is not a Jailen Durance segment, but just reading the

1601
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,960
room of when he can put the ball. He's always

1602
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,279
kind of had the short role intrigue, but it's if

1603
01:16:35,279 --> 01:16:36,600
you want to put the ball on the deck. I've

1604
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,840
never been more comfortable, which is turn making me uncomfortable.

1605
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:44,039
Speaker 3: I know he's validating all of the over the over

1606
01:16:44,079 --> 01:16:47,319
the years, the occasional like you know, I think he's

1607
01:16:47,319 --> 01:16:49,239
got more as a passer like Ohud, you see the

1608
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:53,039
pass like they're just the little glimpses of Duran as

1609
01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:55,880
a facilitator or like a decision maker maybe is the

1610
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,760
better better term. Yep, he's doing it.

1611
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: Back to Clowny Clowney. Clowney can do some of that

1612
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,880
decision making on drives. And he is over fifty percent

1613
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,760
shooting on drives. He's thrown some really nice spraasists out

1614
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:06,520
of the drives too.

1615
01:17:07,239 --> 01:17:09,039
Speaker 2: The key for him I look at his.

1616
01:17:09,359 --> 01:17:11,640
Speaker 1: Three point shot and I just feel like this is

1617
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,560
going to be someone who could get to thirty six

1618
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,840
percent or something. If you're gonna add the strength going

1619
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,039
downhill in the ability to maybe drawouts and hit your

1620
01:17:19,039 --> 01:17:22,000
free throws. I think that's a really useful offensive player.

1621
01:17:22,039 --> 01:17:24,039
Whether you view him as he's kind of the in

1622
01:17:24,079 --> 01:17:26,920
between big or he's if you want it, can he

1623
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,319
be a smaller ball five? My real question, and to

1624
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,920
be clear, there are still questions on offense, My real

1625
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,359
question is I have zero idea what he's supposed to.

1626
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: Be able to do defensively right at this point, because

1627
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,239
it's not going to be as a rim protector.

1628
01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:42,479
Speaker 1: The strength has not really helped him hold up against

1629
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:46,000
individual assignments at really any level of the floor. He

1630
01:17:46,039 --> 01:17:48,760
also needs to like that is someone who could stand

1631
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,680
to do better job of getting back in transition. He

1632
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:53,760
could also he's committing when he's in transition. Offensively, he's

1633
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,399
committing turnovers thirty five percent of the time. Not great either,

1634
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,840
just so raw, but there's enough flashes on the offensive end,

1635
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:04,000
and we're evaluating him against the rest of the nets.

1636
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,439
To where bright spots have been, there's been like a few, but.

1637
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 2: Not a ton.

1638
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: Just something I'm putting opinion in with Noah Clowney. I

1639
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:13,359
wouldn't call this a breakout necessarily because I think a

1640
01:18:13,359 --> 01:18:16,000
breakout will require way more offensive efficiency than we've seen.

1641
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:18,800
But I'm just wondering, can the added strength make him

1642
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,520
a better individual defender, could just even help him become

1643
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,640
a better finisher at the rim. Those are kind of

1644
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:26,880
the things I'll be tracking in addition to I'd like

1645
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,359
to see the three point clip come up.

1646
01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: And that's the one of the three things I talked about.

1647
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:32,800
I think that's the one I'm most confident in him

1648
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:33,680
being able to improve.

1649
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would say that, like, the overall

1650
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,159
numbers are not not good, Like thirty three percent from

1651
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:42,760
the field is assist to turnovers pretty close to one

1652
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:47,520
to one. That said, recently, he's been better at least

1653
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,119
fifteen plus points in four of the last five. I

1654
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,960
think he's made multiple threes in four of the last five.

1655
01:18:53,079 --> 01:18:55,520
So you know, the counter would be like, well, somebody

1656
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,520
has to do something volume wise on the nets, But

1657
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,119
I take I agree with you. He's been a source

1658
01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:05,000
of intrigue, like going on three years now, and like

1659
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:07,119
I think we talked to Lucas Kaplan. He pointed out

1660
01:19:07,119 --> 01:19:09,520
that like kind of had a lost season because had

1661
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:12,640
an injury, didn't really have an off season, just kind

1662
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,920
of couldn't hit the ground running, and it made it

1663
01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:17,479
seem like, well, development stagnated. I guess we can not

1664
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,359
saying any of us said this, or certainly Lucas didn't,

1665
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:22,720
but like close a book on that one. You know,

1666
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,439
we thought maybe there was something there and there's not.

1667
01:19:24,920 --> 01:19:27,720
I still think there's something there. And I think the

1668
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:30,920
core question that you pointed out is right of like

1669
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:33,880
there was a time when we would have just said,

1670
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:38,000
can he be a small ball five defensively? If no, Okay,

1671
01:19:38,079 --> 01:19:40,760
we're done here. I think there's maybe more room for

1672
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,239
him to have, like a to fit somewhere. If he's

1673
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:46,079
not capable of defending as a five, which I don't,

1674
01:19:46,119 --> 01:19:48,640
it doesn't seem to me like he is. There's you

1675
01:19:49,199 --> 01:19:51,439
can we've gotten to the point now where teams are

1676
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,279
smart enough to figure out how to use someone like

1677
01:19:54,359 --> 01:19:57,239
him defensively. If the gains are there on offense, like

1678
01:19:57,279 --> 01:19:59,920
if the shot does fall, he can be a four

1679
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,159
and you can figure out what to do defensively. He

1680
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:03,000
doesn't have to be a.

1681
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:06,359
Speaker 1: Center because of his limitations, though it makes him it's

1682
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:08,920
gonna make him harder to evaluate in a vacuum, but

1683
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:12,079
it's harder to come to a sweeping conclusion about him

1684
01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:15,119
in this situation, specifically when you're looking at this next team,

1685
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:17,000
because it could cut both ways to where it's well.

1686
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,920
If he had some better facilitators around him, if the

1687
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:21,640
defensive infrastructure overall was better, maybe he can find a

1688
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,359
role there. You could also say, would he actually have

1689
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:27,439
this type of a role or freedom on a better

1690
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:30,960
team that had a better offensive ecosystem, that had a

1691
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,640
better defensive infrastructure.

1692
01:20:33,079 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 2: We don't know, but I'm just intrigued.

1693
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:38,079
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the player aside from Jegor Joeman

1694
01:20:38,399 --> 01:20:40,000
that's intrigued me the most on the netide. I mean,

1695
01:20:40,039 --> 01:20:41,960
I love Nick Klass and Nick Claxton drives her back

1696
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:44,439
by the way. There's just he's like shooting a million

1697
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:46,319
percent on them that you could go double check that

1698
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:47,279
I believe I'm accurate.

1699
01:20:47,359 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 2: So some fun stuff for the Nets.

1700
01:20:50,119 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't speaking of I do enjoy on Spurs broadcast

1701
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:55,600
when whenever Harrison Barnes shoots, Sean Elliott calls him mister

1702
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:58,479
on and it'll like as he's saying it, it'll flash

1703
01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:02,119
the graphic of like he's two for four or it's

1704
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,640
it's really good for a laugh. Uh, he is shooting

1705
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,119
like fifty percent. But so I got one more pick.

1706
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:12,720
I think I would like to discuss Jeremiah Fears just

1707
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:16,840
in general. He is a player for the New Orleans Pelicans.

1708
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,640
And before you say, who are they, Uh, they are

1709
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:25,479
an NBA basketball team. Nominally, there's been some version actually

1710
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:29,479
gonna continue to be a team of New Orleans. Fears

1711
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:33,239
is an eye test guy, Uh for the most part.

1712
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,720
And I think we were both kind of I know

1713
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:38,279
I was, and I think you were there with me,

1714
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,960
like pretty early on maybe it was summer league, definitely

1715
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,359
preseason into early minutes this year of like that guy

1716
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,800
can kind of get any place he wants.

1717
01:21:50,079 --> 01:21:53,039
Speaker 1: Uh, he's after Just I don't want to say I

1718
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:55,880
was out on him coming out of the draft.

1719
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 3: I was out on him in theory two. Yeah, yeah,

1720
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:00,720
you know, just no, go ahead, I we share the

1721
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,600
same I was just because you were.

1722
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 1: Saying that we were in on him, And I just

1723
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,119
want to make clear, Yes, summer league and preseason kind

1724
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:09,039
of turned me on him, but I wasn't a Jeremiah

1725
01:22:09,039 --> 01:22:12,199
of years confidence man, like I thought.

1726
01:22:12,359 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 3: I wonder if we watched more college basketball, how what

1727
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,159
we would have thought? Because I wonder if the if

1728
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:21,399
the stuff that pops now would have been obvious even

1729
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:25,560
in college. Probably, But I mean, but then the concerns

1730
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,840
are still there. Right, he's small. He's like we were

1731
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:33,520
kind of collectively getting pretty out on small guards more increasingly,

1732
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,760
I would say, the collect the NBA CONACENTI we I guess,

1733
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:41,239
not just you and I. We don't like him. We're

1734
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:44,720
questioning Darius Garland's value these days. And that's independent of

1735
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:47,520
the toe because it's like, well, he's pretty small. I'm

1736
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:48,760
making fun of myself because I.

1737
01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,760
Speaker 2: Do what's he supposed to do against Houston and Detroit?

1738
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:51,359
That's how I do.

1739
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you just can't see all the angles.

1740
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:55,800
There's no way for him to be successful. So but

1741
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:59,520
but fears just this, the sheer, speed, the quickness, the handle.

1742
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,000
He really like, I don't know who I would even

1743
01:23:02,039 --> 01:23:04,560
compare him to like as far as he's kind of

1744
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:07,560
feels throwbacky in that, like he just gets to the

1745
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,800
paint when he wants to against a defender that's set

1746
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,800
and ready to guard him, which is extremely rare. He's

1747
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,479
not a good shooter, he's got a bunch of turnover issues,

1748
01:23:19,079 --> 01:23:23,479
but ninety fifth percentile in rim frequency at his position,

1749
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,720
gets over a third of his shots are at the rim,

1750
01:23:27,079 --> 01:23:30,640
and he for that kind of volume being mid pack

1751
01:23:30,840 --> 01:23:34,560
and finishing efficiency at the rim, which he is, makes

1752
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,720
sixty four percent of his shots for his position, that's

1753
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:40,039
fifty third percentile. That's really good. And that's like, that's

1754
01:23:40,039 --> 01:23:42,319
what you're building off of with him, is is if

1755
01:23:42,359 --> 01:23:45,520
he can compromise a defense that way at that that

1756
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,520
frequently and that and be at least a credible threat

1757
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:52,399
to finish, you can like, okay, then then you can't

1758
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:55,199
allow the pelicans to be spaced. Then you can't allow

1759
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:57,640
shooters to be out there, because eventually he's going to

1760
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,119
become a good enough passer to more of them if

1761
01:24:01,159 --> 01:24:03,279
you get him a decent role man like who knows

1762
01:24:03,399 --> 01:24:06,000
right like that that's not all there in his game yet,

1763
01:24:06,279 --> 01:24:10,960
but just as a baseline thing, I think his ability

1764
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:12,560
to get where he wants to is kind of a

1765
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,239
signature skill, and it's like it's pretty hopeless in New Orleans,

1766
01:24:16,279 --> 01:24:19,359
but that's something where Okay, we got that. We got

1767
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:22,000
a guy that can do that, and that's a start.

1768
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:25,319
Speaker 1: And his efficiency at the rim was pretty high. And

1769
01:24:25,359 --> 01:24:29,119
then Zion Williamson gets injured and just losing that type

1770
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:30,960
of draw in the minutes that he was going to

1771
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,000
play with him. And the other thing too, is the

1772
01:24:34,079 --> 01:24:37,000
quality of the looks that he is getting are they

1773
01:24:37,039 --> 01:24:38,399
could be really hard.

1774
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 3: And that's partly because of his size, right, Like he

1775
01:24:40,880 --> 01:24:43,880
just isn't finishing. Sigh for anybody, who else are.

1776
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,479
Speaker 1: You worried about on New Orleans especially right now? Trey

1777
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,760
Murphy and then the list kind of ends there. I mean,

1778
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,760
Derek Lean when he's on the court, but that's not

1779
01:24:50,760 --> 01:24:53,760
going to do anything to pull guys away from Jeremiah Fears.

1780
01:24:54,159 --> 01:24:57,840
He is the only rookies Grant who've taken more contested

1781
01:24:57,880 --> 01:24:59,039
two pointers this season.

1782
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,640
Speaker 2: Are I'm actually laughing, Dylan Harper.

1783
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: This is per game and he hasn't played in a

1784
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:06,560
ton of games, so you can almost throw him out.

1785
01:25:06,840 --> 01:25:09,920
Cooper Flag and then Ryan Kalkbrenner of course, the efficiency thing.

1786
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,920
Jeremi Vieers is shooting over fifty three percent on contested

1787
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,920
two pointers, and we all have concerns about the perimeter thing.

1788
01:25:17,119 --> 01:25:20,119
He's at thirty seven percent on almost three catch and

1789
01:25:20,119 --> 01:25:22,079
shoot three point attempts per game.

1790
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:23,359
Speaker 2: That's not bad.

1791
01:25:23,880 --> 01:25:26,079
Speaker 1: If that number could hold or come up a little bit,

1792
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:29,000
it's gonna open things up for his ability to get

1793
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,159
inside the paint. What I would point to, just to

1794
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:33,520
echo what you said, the frequency is what I'm looking

1795
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,640
at the most here, because it looks like I think

1796
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:37,840
he's going to be a good finisher in this league.

1797
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,119
And if you ever put let's say league average or

1798
01:25:40,159 --> 01:25:43,279
better spacing around him, it'll just pop. The fact that

1799
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:46,000
he's able to get to the basket as often as

1800
01:25:46,039 --> 01:25:49,479
he has on this specific Pelicans team when you look

1801
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,600
at the personnel that's just around him, just something I'm

1802
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:54,840
kind of earmarking. I don't know what it's really gonna

1803
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,039
mean for I don't know what this team looks like

1804
01:25:57,079 --> 01:26:00,479
tomorrow quite frankly, let alone next season, but to have

1805
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,720
this guy being able to do that, if at some

1806
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:06,520
point you do move on from aigh On Williamson or

1807
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,279
you do hit the reset button. There is someone who

1808
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:11,960
and we've seen it with Queen two, but like generating

1809
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:16,439
offense is not going to be contingent upon anyone else.

1810
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,119
But he doesn't need player X or archetype X around

1811
01:26:20,199 --> 01:26:22,760
him to do what like the one thing he's dominant

1812
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:25,520
at or his most marketable skill getting to the rim.

1813
01:26:26,039 --> 01:26:29,760
It just scales to whatever situation or roster context that

1814
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:30,199
we see.

1815
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,199
Speaker 3: I think we talk a lot about like a signet,

1816
01:26:33,239 --> 01:26:36,640
like a carrying skill, and then if we get more exaggerated,

1817
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,920
it's like he has a superpower. Like if it's a

1818
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:41,239
you know, a guy that's gonna shoot forty one percent

1819
01:26:41,279 --> 01:26:44,119
from three or whatever, it's like Fears has one. Like

1820
01:26:44,159 --> 01:26:46,199
he really does look like he has one of those.

1821
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:48,720
And you know that's that doesn't mean he's gonna be

1822
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:50,800
a great player, but it means he's gonna be great

1823
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:55,000
at something, and and most guys aren't. So like, if

1824
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,479
you're trying to build these, he's got he's got one

1825
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:57,800
of those.

1826
01:26:59,119 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: My final pick, I'm gonna go with the New York's

1827
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:07,159
Knicks offense is actually trash grant, it sucks.

1828
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 2: It's gross.

1829
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk about the offense for one

1830
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,279
I'm willing to donate my ankle to the cause of

1831
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:15,800
Jalen Brunson, So if he needs it, just hit me up.

1832
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm willing to give it to you.

1833
01:27:17,079 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 1: But also we get, and including myself, a lot of

1834
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:22,800
people just get ahead of their skis when the Knicks

1835
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:23,359
are rolling.

1836
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 2: They're beaten up on some bad teams.

1837
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:32,159
Speaker 1: Their offense has been borderline offul against real defensive competition.

1838
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:35,800
They've only played three top ten defenses, and the Orlando

1839
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:38,359
Magic aren't one of them. I know that Magic had

1840
01:27:38,359 --> 01:27:40,159
been noisy on defense this year, but you look at

1841
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:42,680
that team and you know there's a level that they

1842
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,760
can get to. They played the Calves, they won that game,

1843
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,319
but their offense was in the thirtieth percentile. They then

1844
01:27:48,319 --> 01:27:51,439
played the Celtics, they were in the forty third percentile

1845
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,319
of offensive efficiency for that game. Then against the Heat,

1846
01:27:54,520 --> 01:27:57,279
they were in the thirteenth percentile of offen's efficiency. And

1847
01:27:57,279 --> 01:27:59,880
then that latest Magic game where Jalen Brunson got injured,

1848
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:03,000
the offense was in the twenty seven percentile. The things

1849
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:05,199
that I'm clocking here, and I think what it's also

1850
01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:07,920
just important to note is they're still trying to learn

1851
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:10,920
a new defensive system, a new I mean a new

1852
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:13,680
everything system under Mike Brown, and so that's not going

1853
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:16,640
to just be there's going to be hiccups immediately. And

1854
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,319
some guys I think have found their groove quicker than others,

1855
01:28:19,399 --> 01:28:22,079
Michal Bridges being the best example of someone who's just

1856
01:28:22,079 --> 01:28:24,680
come in and it works. Even though Gianninoby to some extent,

1857
01:28:25,399 --> 01:28:29,079
they're still uncomfortably relying on Jalen Brunson. And you can

1858
01:28:29,119 --> 01:28:30,840
see it against teams that are able to bring big

1859
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,560
bodies or pressure onto their ball handlers. He's the only

1860
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,079
one that knows how to handle it. And then they revert.

1861
01:28:37,319 --> 01:28:39,359
We saw it against the Magic maybe earlier than a lot,

1862
01:28:39,399 --> 01:28:42,039
but we see it against We've just seen it multiple

1863
01:28:42,039 --> 01:28:44,680
times this season where they revert to everything has to

1864
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:45,680
go through Jalen Brunson.

1865
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:48,119
Speaker 2: He's on the ball. We're not moving the ball.

1866
01:28:48,359 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: We're not trying to get guys going downhill as much

1867
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:53,720
or moving Jalen Brunton off the ball as often. That's

1868
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,399
something that they're either going to need to like what

1869
01:28:56,560 --> 01:29:00,479
is the balance or do they just revert to when

1870
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,159
things are sloggy because you can't trust Karl Anthony Town

1871
01:29:03,159 --> 01:29:05,119
and even if you do. The Magic game is another

1872
01:29:05,159 --> 01:29:08,479
YOUD example. His post touches have basically been halved. They

1873
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:11,199
should probably be halved again because like the guy just

1874
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,239
doesn't pass enough out of those out of drives and

1875
01:29:14,319 --> 01:29:17,640
mcal Bridges at this point has been their second best facilitator.

1876
01:29:17,760 --> 01:29:20,640
And I found myself wondering during games when they're at

1877
01:29:20,680 --> 01:29:22,800
full strength, is it time to just go McHale Bridges

1878
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:26,680
at point guard because they've treated Deuce McBride basically is

1879
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:28,880
that almost by default, where no, he's not doing their

1880
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,960
traditional backup point guard things, but you're not playing him

1881
01:29:32,279 --> 01:29:34,680
with the starters a ton, which is my other note

1882
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,439
here that the numbers on that lineup is all over

1883
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:40,239
the place, but grant over the past five games, the

1884
01:29:40,319 --> 01:29:43,439
Deuce plus starters lineup that everybody wanted to see has

1885
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:46,039
played a total of like thirty two seconds. There have

1886
01:29:46,039 --> 01:29:47,840
been three games where they didn't log a single second.

1887
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:49,840
I think against the Magic they logged fourteen seconds or

1888
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:53,239
eight seconds or whatever it was. That's a roster construction challenge,

1889
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:56,279
I think more than anything, because who are you your

1890
01:29:56,319 --> 01:29:59,520
first sub? If Mitchell Robinson's not playing, Mike Brown is

1891
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,560
more in cline to start Landry Shammon at this point

1892
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:03,680
or the first sub is going to be Landry Shamman

1893
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,560
for Mitchell Robinson and Landry Shammon has been fine, but

1894
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:09,039
I don't know if the Knicks are doing Mike Brown

1895
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:11,199
has experimented, but I don't know if they're doing enough

1896
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:13,399
to get to their best stuff, and they might just

1897
01:30:13,479 --> 01:30:16,800
be holding out hope for I would say a version

1898
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:19,520
of Karl Anthony Towns that is going to be consistent

1899
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:22,439
enough that I would call it atypical for Karl Anthony

1900
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:25,880
Towns at this point of his career, and just something. Look,

1901
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,439
the three point volume is there, the ball movement is there.

1902
01:30:29,279 --> 01:30:32,359
They're playing faster at points, but they're honestly, there's still

1903
01:30:32,359 --> 01:30:34,239
one of the when you look at where their shots

1904
01:30:34,279 --> 01:30:36,640
are coming from or how long their average offensive possession

1905
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,079
times are lasting, they're one of the slowest teams when

1906
01:30:39,079 --> 01:30:41,680
it comes to their first chance offensive pace. I just

1907
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,119
don't know if that type of speed that Mike Brown

1908
01:30:44,199 --> 01:30:46,159
traditionally wants to play with, I don't know if you

1909
01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:48,840
can get it out of this roster. The second unit, sure,

1910
01:30:49,159 --> 01:30:51,000
but when you're looking at the way that Jalen Brunson

1911
01:30:51,039 --> 01:30:53,359
is used to playing the way that Karl Anthony Towns is.

1912
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:56,239
I mean him like running down the floor is like

1913
01:30:56,279 --> 01:30:58,920
how long that can take? That's not a huge problem.

1914
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,800
I think this offense is gonna end being really good.

1915
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:03,479
But to this point, what did we say about them

1916
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:07,960
last year that their top five offense overall felt incredibly flimsy.

1917
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:11,920
Right at this point, I feel more confident in their

1918
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,720
offense than I did last season, but we are not

1919
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,319
at a point where you could just say, oh, this

1920
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:20,039
is definitely working for the Knicks. They need to be

1921
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:22,319
tested a little bit more, and I still think that

1922
01:31:22,359 --> 01:31:23,800
there are things they could do with some of the

1923
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,720
lineups they're running to be better.

1924
01:31:26,279 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 3: So do you think that because there is there are

1925
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,479
indicators that you know, Brunson's time off the ball, the

1926
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,840
shareff shots that he's not creating for himself, bridges on

1927
01:31:37,039 --> 01:31:42,039
ball time, they up ticking handoff frequency. There are these

1928
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:45,279
indicators that stuff is different. I'm not saying you're not

1929
01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:49,119
acknowledging those. Do you think the fix, if one, is necessary,

1930
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:52,359
or maybe the progress needs to come in the form

1931
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:56,439
of just more of those differences, like you know, even

1932
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,800
less time on the ball for brunts and more bridges

1933
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,840
on ball, you know, more Mike Brown stuff, just higher

1934
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:07,840
rates of that or is there something like tactical like that. Okay,

1935
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,640
these these changes actually aren't sufficient even if there are

1936
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,520
more of them or like a higher volume of these changes,

1937
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,119
there needs to be like something different has to happen,

1938
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:18,279
and maybe that's a lineup thing, Like you see the

1939
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:19,880
difference I'm trying to get.

1940
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 1: At, right, I ultimately think that it's probably not I

1941
01:32:22,680 --> 01:32:24,439
would like to see more of Deuce with the starters,

1942
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,560
but I recognize if you're do like if it's a

1943
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,159
lineup thing, he's not what he's doing is I feel

1944
01:32:29,159 --> 01:32:32,439
like his impact has maybe felt even more defensively because

1945
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,359
he's their best point of attack defender make life easier

1946
01:32:35,359 --> 01:32:39,319
on Ogan and Obe and and McHale bridges. What I

1947
01:32:39,439 --> 01:32:41,199
ultimately think this comes down to is like even like

1948
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:43,359
the Mitchell Robinson version of the start like it's been

1949
01:32:43,399 --> 01:32:46,560
pretty good. I look at this as a personnel problem

1950
01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:49,079
to where it's they could change a bunch of things

1951
01:32:49,079 --> 01:32:51,880
where I kind of get Jalen Brunson's inclination when he

1952
01:32:51,920 --> 01:32:54,239
has deviated from what they're trying to do, and one

1953
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:56,239
I think he's done a better job of fitting into

1954
01:32:56,319 --> 01:32:58,520
it than even maybe he's received credit for on a

1955
01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:01,520
national scale, but they don't. This isn't just about them

1956
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,520
not having a backup point guard. It's really cool to

1957
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:05,760
see those high moments from Karl Anthony Towns or to

1958
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,199
see what mckel bridges has done this year. Unless you

1959
01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:11,039
trust that one of those guys can actually be the

1960
01:33:11,079 --> 01:33:14,319
anchor of your offense. When Jalen Brunson is off the

1961
01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:17,039
ball against the league defenses, or just off the floor

1962
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:21,119
in general in the regular season, they will ultimately be fine.

1963
01:33:21,159 --> 01:33:22,680
We know what they can do with some of their

1964
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:26,359
secondary units. When you get to the playoffs, that's when

1965
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:28,880
I would still have questions. And that's look sure, those

1966
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,399
questions aren't going to be answered even if the Knicks

1967
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,640
have the best offense in the league this year. Just

1968
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:35,319
we have to see once we get to the playoffs.

1969
01:33:35,359 --> 01:33:38,439
But I find myself wondering more if this team is

1970
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:39,159
really good.

1971
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:40,760
Speaker 2: Mike Brown might be able to optimize it.

1972
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:43,600
Speaker 1: I just wonder if offensively it's going to be enough

1973
01:33:43,640 --> 01:33:46,479
to be an optimal offense in the playoffs.

1974
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:52,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would like you to just tell twenty fifteen

1975
01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:55,680
Dan that these are the things you're bothered about with

1976
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,680
the Knicks and just see what he would say.

1977
01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:02,079
Speaker 1: It's look, there are great problems to have, but you're

1978
01:34:02,079 --> 01:34:05,319
also you're all in. You fire the coach tried away

1979
01:34:05,359 --> 01:34:06,800
all the picks. I don't know what other moves you're

1980
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,920
supposed to make. I will continue to bang the Justin

1981
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,520
champennee drum. I think that that's something that they or

1982
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,439
also if MEMS is gonna tear it down, I'm kind

1983
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,000
of in love with Cam Spencer at the moment, So

1984
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:16,279
if any of those teams want to throw.

1985
01:34:16,119 --> 01:34:17,359
Speaker 2: Those players this way.

1986
01:34:17,399 --> 01:34:21,960
Speaker 1: But joke to Jalen Brunson absence, I it's not I

1987
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,960
don't like calling these things a blessing in disguise.

1988
01:34:24,279 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 2: But now you're gonna test.

1989
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:28,079
Speaker 1: This quote unquote depth which another easan flying under the

1990
01:34:28,159 --> 01:34:30,920
rainar By the ways, Gershon Yabuseli has been absolutely awful

1991
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:33,479
for most of the year. Jordan Clarks had never been

1992
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:36,159
more efficient, though, So who who's that coming? I certainly didn't,

1993
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:39,399
But it's well, you play Tyler Kohlik and maybe we'll

1994
01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:40,960
have some of the answers by the time this goes live.

1995
01:34:41,000 --> 01:34:43,359
I'm sure are we gonna get to something like there's

1996
01:34:43,399 --> 01:34:46,000
been even why not just throw Josh Hart play as

1997
01:34:46,039 --> 01:34:48,560
fast as you can. There's no other There's no Michale Bridges,

1998
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:50,760
no Jalen Brunson on the court, like, and he's just

1999
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:53,520
kind of your day facto. Sure, try more of that.

2000
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:55,760
We just haven't seen a ton of it. Now you're

2001
01:34:55,800 --> 01:34:58,439
gonna be forced to do that. But I wasn't even

2002
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,600
I do find it practice. It's gonna play more minutes

2003
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:03,319
than it did under TIBs because it's hard not to.

2004
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,479
But I wanted to see more of deuce plus the starters,

2005
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:08,359
and you know, I want a deuce to start.

2006
01:35:08,479 --> 01:35:10,800
Speaker 2: I get why they're not doing that. They haven't.

2007
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 1: They haven't been going to it and deuce the game

2008
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,239
against the mat like he wasn't very good.

2009
01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:18,119
Speaker 2: But it's that lineup. I think it just hasn't got

2010
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:19,479
enough time. It has the potentially be.

2011
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:22,199
Speaker 1: Really really special, and I think it's their most important lineup.

2012
01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:25,760
But I I do ultimately think, and maybe I'll be wrong.

2013
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:28,720
This is gonna come down to being a personnel thing

2014
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,600
more than Oh, is there a lineup change or a

2015
01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:32,399
stylistic shift that they could still make?

2016
01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:41,199
Speaker 2: Got it? Stat padding is back. We've got a few

2017
01:35:41,239 --> 01:35:43,920
fun ideas this time. You are free too for anyone listening.

2018
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,079
Speaker 1: If you'd like to start sending guests of players back in,

2019
01:35:46,600 --> 01:35:49,079
we'll do maybe like one or two each time, rather

2020
01:35:49,159 --> 01:35:51,039
than spending like full length episodes on them. We know

2021
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:54,279
our discord members love it, so hey join our discord. Grant,

2022
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:57,399
what do we got cooking? First up though, for stat padding.

2023
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,920
Speaker 3: Well, Nico Harrison, as you may have heard, is cook

2024
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:03,279
in Dallas, and that leads to some fallout. The next

2025
01:36:03,359 --> 01:36:06,720
decision seems to be will Anthony The next question, will

2026
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,479
Anthony Davis be traded? If so, where to good news?

2027
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:11,720
We have some ideas to throw back and forth. Would

2028
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,880
you like to toss out the first potential Anthony Davis trade?

2029
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:17,720
Speaker 2: I would absolutely love to. Who says no?

2030
01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis addition, Anthony Davis for Paul George, Jared McCain

2031
01:36:23,039 --> 01:36:24,079
and a first round pick.

2032
01:36:24,680 --> 01:36:26,680
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis says yes because he gets to play power

2033
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,960
forward next to Joel Embiid and he loves.

2034
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 2: That caught a center with the way that dwevel beat available.

2035
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,079
Speaker 3: All right, that's true, but you can at least tell

2036
01:36:35,159 --> 01:36:38,000
you could tell him that, look, there's a center here

2037
01:36:38,119 --> 01:36:40,760
you will not have to bang around with fives. Uh

2038
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,520
does Dallas. Dallas kind of might like Jared McCain in

2039
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:47,159
a first round pick. I don't know how Dallas is

2040
01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:49,399
gonna feel about Paul George. Is Paul George the sticking

2041
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:50,880
point in an Anthony Davis trade?

2042
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:52,319
Speaker 2: It's a good question.

2043
01:36:52,439 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 3: He probably is.

2044
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 2: I think Dallas ends upsetting note of this.

2045
01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:57,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I probably agree with that. Next trade,

2046
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:00,680
Anthony Davis to the Memphis Grizzlies for Ja Moran, Brandon Clark,

2047
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:02,600
and Jalen Wells. Who says no to that one?

2048
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:06,359
Speaker 1: I think that Dallas should be the team to say no,

2049
01:37:06,600 --> 01:37:08,319
but I believe it would probably be Memphis is the

2050
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:09,039
team to say no.

2051
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 2: Here, what do you They're still all in on Jomran.

2052
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,159
Speaker 1: You are getting older going from John Moran and John

2053
01:37:14,199 --> 01:37:17,319
Wells to a d but ad Jaron Jackson Junior and

2054
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:19,920
Cedric Coward is one heck of a front line.

2055
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:22,319
Speaker 3: Kind of fun and John Morant fills an obvious need.

2056
01:37:22,399 --> 01:37:24,079
If you don't believe Kyrie Irving is going to be

2057
01:37:24,479 --> 01:37:27,239
coming back for Dallas and really playing like Kyrie Irving.

2058
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,479
And guess what, Cooper Flagg doesn't have to play point

2059
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,800
guard anymore, which kind of hasn't been lately, but still

2060
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:33,239
that's fun.

2061
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,680
Speaker 1: Next, speaking of speaking of Cooper Flag not having to

2062
01:37:36,680 --> 01:37:39,359
play point guard anymore. Andy Davis for d Aaron Fox

2063
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:40,880
and Kelly Olynnock, who says.

2064
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:46,680
Speaker 3: No, Wow, I mean Davis and Wemby up front? You

2065
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:51,560
got Dylan Harper and Steph Castle. I mean, I don't know.

2066
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,560
I don't think does. I don't think san Antonio says

2067
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:57,439
no here? Does Dallas? Is Dallas the one that says no? Here?

2068
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:58,479
I think Dallas says no.

2069
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,720
Speaker 1: I feel think I feel like san Antonio will be

2070
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:04,079
the one to say no because they have Blue, Cornette

2071
01:38:04,199 --> 01:38:05,960
and Wemby. They could play all three of them at

2072
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:06,760
the same time and that'd.

2073
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:07,159
Speaker 2: Be pretty fun.

2074
01:38:07,399 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I think san Antonio says no. Dear Fox is younger

2075
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:12,680
and historically more durable. I think san Antonio says no.

2076
01:38:13,239 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 3: So glad I get to present this one to you.

2077
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,159
Anthony Davis to the New York Knicks for Carl Anthony

2078
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,119
Town straight up challenge trade who says no.

2079
01:38:20,159 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 1: It's the Knicks right, They say no, just based off

2080
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:25,800
Anthony Davis's own durability. And I think for what Mike

2081
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:29,399
Brown wants to do, shooting a bunch of threes. That's

2082
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,960
I know carltw's never takes enough threes, but he's better

2083
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:35,600
offensively than Anthony Davis and Mike Brown is very much

2084
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:37,479
geared towards optimizing the offense.

2085
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 3: I don't know. I hear Anthony Davis has been working

2086
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:43,039
on his three pointer over the offseason. Sorry, that was

2087
01:38:43,399 --> 01:38:46,479
twenty sixteen that I heard that, and then every year

2088
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:48,600
after it. Give me the last one.

2089
01:38:49,439 --> 01:38:53,279
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis for Kobe White, Kevin Herder, Nicolo Vucevic and

2090
01:38:53,359 --> 01:38:54,560
two first round picks.

2091
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Grant. Who says no, Chicago or Dallas?

2092
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: Uh?

2093
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 3: Chicago's says no because Dallas says yes to this immediately

2094
01:39:05,039 --> 01:39:07,359
to first, Kobe White's your point guard. You can re

2095
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:10,800
sign him. Vouch comes off the books. Kevin Herder, I

2096
01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:13,039
don't know, he's gonna space better than Klay Thompson. You

2097
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:14,319
got the pieces there.

2098
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:16,119
Speaker 2: I think.

2099
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,159
Speaker 1: I think Chicago says no as well, although this might

2100
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:20,800
be the one where you could see both teams doing

2101
01:39:20,840 --> 01:39:22,079
it because the Bulls are the bulls.

2102
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then everyone would hate it, which is how

2103
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:25,000
you know it's a good trade.

2104
01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:29,039
Speaker 1: Next up, Grant, We're going to build the all NBA

2105
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,199
disappointment team, A starting five and a sixth man, you

2106
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:33,720
get to go.

2107
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:35,399
Speaker 2: First with the pick. Who are you taking?

2108
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:39,119
Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna start us out real hot, and

2109
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,560
I want to preface this by saying that this is

2110
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:45,760
a disappointment relative to expectations, and I am going to

2111
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,640
nominate Cooper Flag, who I think is going to be

2112
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:52,720
a great NBA player. However, he is not running away

2113
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,680
with Rookie of the Year. Part of that's because there

2114
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,600
are some other very good rookies. Part of that's because

2115
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,479
he was set up to fail in a stupid Dallas

2116
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,159
lineup that made him play point guard. You can't say

2117
01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:04,439
Cooper Flag has delivered on expectations. Not his fault, but

2118
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:06,720
we're not sitting here talking about well, Dallas is in

2119
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:09,560
great shape no matter what. He just hasn't played like

2120
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:12,279
we would have hoped. And again, not his fault, but

2121
01:40:12,359 --> 01:40:16,479
Cooper Flagg is not has disappointed in my eyes.

2122
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,520
Speaker 2: That's a bold one. My next pick.

2123
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 1: I think this should have been the first pick because

2124
01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,239
I believe he's probably been the single most disappointing player

2125
01:40:24,279 --> 01:40:27,800
in the NBA. John Morant, I don't care about the

2126
01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:31,399
suspension or the pouting, although I absolutely do, still can't shoot,

2127
01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:34,239
not having the same intended impact on the offense that

2128
01:40:34,279 --> 01:40:37,479
he's supposed to still not a good defender, and it's

2129
01:40:37,680 --> 01:40:40,600
just a bummer because this was someone who was considered

2130
01:40:40,640 --> 01:40:43,079
face of the league material just a couple of years ago.

2131
01:40:43,079 --> 01:40:45,800
And if you're at the Grizzlies, maybe we should have Honestly,

2132
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:48,239
it feels like the Grizzlies saw this coming because they

2133
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:51,199
ended up trading Desmond Bane at a time when you

2134
01:40:51,279 --> 01:40:53,520
could have said, oh, yeah, they're just sort of reorienting

2135
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:55,319
so they could be lean around John Morant. That makes

2136
01:40:55,319 --> 01:40:58,119
absolutely zero sense. It was an admission that this era

2137
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,760
has underachieved, and John Morant continues to underachieve.

2138
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,079
Speaker 2: So I'm taking him with pick number two.

2139
01:41:03,319 --> 01:41:05,840
Speaker 3: Do you think it's hurting Ja Morant's defense, which was

2140
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,439
already not great, that he's just standing straight up and

2141
01:41:08,560 --> 01:41:10,600
not moving. Does that Does that help?

2142
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:14,199
Speaker 2: Obviously it might be helping it at this point. So, uh,

2143
01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:15,520
you said it, straight up.

2144
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:19,960
Speaker 3: Said you said the name, and I have a short

2145
01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:24,920
attention span. Desmond Baine has not single handedly solved the

2146
01:41:25,039 --> 01:41:29,000
Orlando Magics offense. I think that was always a little

2147
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:31,560
bit of too big of an ask. But his three

2148
01:41:31,600 --> 01:41:34,399
point a temper rate is down from Memphis, and it's

2149
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:37,199
way below his career average, and it's way way below

2150
01:41:37,279 --> 01:41:40,079
his career high and he's shooting like four and a

2151
01:41:40,119 --> 01:41:43,520
half threes. What's going on? What like this is partly

2152
01:41:44,079 --> 01:41:46,720
I mean, actually, let's be honest, this is mostly Orlando's

2153
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,399
system's fault that is just not allowing him, not using

2154
01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:52,279
him in a way that would address your spacing issues.

2155
01:41:52,279 --> 01:41:54,479
I know the Magic's offense has been a little better lately.

2156
01:41:55,199 --> 01:41:58,079
I just think it's wildly disappointing that Desmond Bain has

2157
01:41:58,119 --> 01:42:00,239
not come in and fired off like twelve threes game,

2158
01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:03,039
because that was the whole idea. Let's space the offense out.

2159
01:42:03,359 --> 01:42:05,880
Let's use him to unlock the lane for all of

2160
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:08,680
our giant forwards that can dribble. What's going on here?

2161
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:11,840
This is the Orlando situation disappoints me, and Desmond Baine

2162
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:12,600
is a symbol of that.

2163
01:42:13,359 --> 01:42:15,479
Speaker 1: Do you think he's been the biggest disappointment of that

2164
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,520
or is it more so how they're using him? And

2165
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:19,720
is it also on us for thinking he was going

2166
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,319
to solve basically everything for them when he's not. One

2167
01:42:23,359 --> 01:42:26,000
of their biggest problems was we need an offensive organizer

2168
01:42:26,319 --> 01:42:27,479
which they still clearly do.

2169
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 3: All of the above, just like, shoot twice as many

2170
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:32,600
threes and you wouldn't be on this list. And that's

2171
01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,319
that's mostly Orlando's fault, not I'm sure Desmond Bain would

2172
01:42:35,319 --> 01:42:37,560
love to shoot ten twelve threes a game. It's just

2173
01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:38,119
not happening.

2174
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:42,119
Speaker 1: My next pick, biggest disappointment. I don't like going here

2175
01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:44,119
because he is currently dealing with some knee stuff. But

2176
01:42:44,199 --> 01:42:46,880
Joelle Embiid, I don't know what I was expecting the

2177
01:42:47,039 --> 01:42:50,640
ramp up to look like. And he's had some refreshing moments,

2178
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:53,760
but just not someone who's going to overpower his way

2179
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,439
to the basket anymore. It's good that he's learning how

2180
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:59,000
to play off of VJ. Edgecomb and Tyrese Maxi, but

2181
01:42:59,159 --> 01:43:03,239
just the idea of Joe Embiid not being the central

2182
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:06,119
nervous system of everything Philly is doing and that being

2183
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,039
the right call for Philly to make.

2184
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 2: It's just unsettling. Isn't moving the same on defense. It's

2185
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:12,960
more so of a bummer.

2186
01:43:13,319 --> 01:43:15,079
Speaker 1: But I kind of hoped that, oh, if he's going

2187
01:43:15,159 --> 01:43:17,840
to play in small or burse like he was, that

2188
01:43:17,960 --> 01:43:21,039
we could hope for our higher Joelle Embiid peak than

2189
01:43:21,079 --> 01:43:22,159
we have seen so far.

2190
01:43:23,399 --> 01:43:25,399
Speaker 3: I'll round it out here. This pains me to do it,

2191
01:43:25,479 --> 01:43:26,079
but we have to.

2192
01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:26,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

2193
01:43:26,840 --> 01:43:29,479
Speaker 3: Klay Thompson, one of the greatest shooters of all time,

2194
01:43:30,399 --> 01:43:33,279
lost his starting job on a team that desperately needed spacing.

2195
01:43:33,359 --> 01:43:36,079
He just wasn't providing it. He's under thirty percent from three,

2196
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:40,039
he's thirty five. He's had catastrophic injuries. It's incredible that

2197
01:43:40,119 --> 01:43:42,000
he had as good of a late prime as he did.

2198
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:46,000
But like, what he provides is what Dallas needed and

2199
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,760
he just hasn't hasn't brought it. So huge bummer, but

2200
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:50,600
Klay Thompson has not met expectations.

2201
01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:55,840
Speaker 2: Our sixth man is going to be Cameron Johnson. I

2202
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:56,199
think it.

2203
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,199
Speaker 1: He's better defensively than MPJ was for them, but he

2204
01:43:59,359 --> 01:44:01,199
right now just and not hit a wide open three.

2205
01:44:01,319 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 2: Sub thirty percent on wide open threes.

2206
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: We've seen some air balls on wide open threes. And

2207
01:44:06,199 --> 01:44:08,479
it's probably good for the Nuggets that they've been able

2208
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:10,119
to be as good as they are without.

2209
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:11,399
Speaker 2: Him playing up to his current level.

2210
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:14,520
Speaker 1: But that was build as this game changing addition, and

2211
01:44:14,600 --> 01:44:16,840
he hasn't really been that to them thus far. And

2212
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:18,920
if they're bench or some of the role players weren't

2213
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:20,960
playing so well off the bench. For them, I'd be

2214
01:44:21,039 --> 01:44:23,640
curious to see if there was a bigger impact on

2215
01:44:23,720 --> 01:44:24,199
their offense.

2216
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 2: With Cam Johnson playing the way that he.

2217
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:29,039
Speaker 3: Has deeply annoyed because he's ruining my two part theory

2218
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:32,680
of leave Jokic get bad, join Jokic get good has

2219
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:33,119
not happened.

2220
01:44:33,159 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 2: So is he the first player to join you aside

2221
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:35,359
from use of Nurkic.

2222
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 3: Of course he's He's patient zero. He's patient zero for

2223
01:44:38,039 --> 01:44:40,159
the debunking the Jokic two part theory.

2224
01:44:40,399 --> 01:44:43,039
Speaker 2: Do you want to build the all NBA breakout team next?

2225
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 3: I think that's a much more positive endeavor. Let's do that.

2226
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,520
Do I get the first pick? That's fun. I think

2227
01:44:48,520 --> 01:44:52,000
I'm gonna go. Jalen Durant, scoring up around nineteen points

2228
01:44:52,039 --> 01:44:55,640
a game, is suddenly like a legitimate secondary creator as

2229
01:44:55,680 --> 01:44:59,039
a roleman and ISO like attacker. His passing has been

2230
01:44:59,079 --> 01:45:02,239
more consistent, and a lot of this is Isaiah Stewart,

2231
01:45:02,239 --> 01:45:05,079
but Jillan duran is part of just the best in

2232
01:45:05,199 --> 01:45:07,079
the paint team on both ends in the league, so

2233
01:45:07,600 --> 01:45:10,520
a pretty spectacular step forward for him.

2234
01:45:11,640 --> 01:45:14,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to take with my first pick Alprin Shangun.

2235
01:45:14,600 --> 01:45:17,439
He's already been an All Star. But what we're looking

2236
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:22,439
at is all NBA back of the ballot, MVP type

2237
01:45:22,479 --> 01:45:24,960
stuff from him, nerve center of Houston's offense, which has

2238
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,239
actually been pretty efficient, even though it's not always pretty.

2239
01:45:27,880 --> 01:45:31,119
He is averaging twenty two points, shooting over forty percent

2240
01:45:31,319 --> 01:45:34,199
from three, grabbing a ton of rebounds, averaging over seven assists.

2241
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:37,159
It has been amazing to watch him work amid would

2242
01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:39,399
is still less than ideal spacing when you look at

2243
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:41,239
Houston's most played lineups.

2244
01:45:42,399 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with Austin Reeves. I mean, had the

2245
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,680
fifty pointer, had the game winner, a bunch of double

2246
01:45:47,720 --> 01:45:50,479
digit assist stuff, missed a little bit of time. But

2247
01:45:51,199 --> 01:45:53,760
now we're talking about, like, well, how many Max years

2248
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:55,279
do the Lakers have to give him to beat the

2249
01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:57,279
market in free agency? When he opts out that was

2250
01:45:57,359 --> 01:45:59,880
not a conversation we were having prior to the season.

2251
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:03,800
And uh just has played at an all NBA level

2252
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,319
for long stretches of this early season, certainly at an

2253
01:46:06,359 --> 01:46:09,800
all Star level. Just the on ball creation has leveled up.

2254
01:46:10,399 --> 01:46:12,640
He just looks like a guy you could actually run

2255
01:46:12,720 --> 01:46:14,600
your whole offense through if you wanted to. And he's

2256
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,000
positioned to be like the number two option, so a

2257
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:18,600
pretty spectacular leap for him.

2258
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:22,600
Speaker 1: My next pick, I'll go with Tyrese Maxi. We don't

2259
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:24,520
care about positions here in case anyone's wondering.

2260
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 3: No.

2261
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,520
Speaker 1: Over thirty two points a game, over forty four percent

2262
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:30,079
from three on nine attempts per game. He now looks

2263
01:46:30,119 --> 01:46:32,359
like someone you could run your entire offense through as well.

2264
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:34,920
Over eight assists, has the you know some inside the

2265
01:46:35,039 --> 01:46:37,039
arc noise to begin the season, but has the floater

2266
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,479
going he is again, we're talking about someone who's already

2267
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,359
on a max contract, recognized as a star or fringe star,

2268
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:45,880
and he's making what feels like an all NBA leap

2269
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:48,600
right now. And the Sixers, despite not having Paul George,

2270
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:52,119
despite Joel Embiid being banged up, not playing like Joel Embiid,

2271
01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:55,840
they've still been competent. And that's mostly because of Tyree's

2272
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:57,000
Maxi going nuclear.

2273
01:46:59,079 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 3: I'm so excited. I got to mention this player, Jima

2274
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,199
Hawkes Junior, who kind of felt like last year was

2275
01:47:05,279 --> 01:47:07,680
the end of him as a rotation player. Now the

2276
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:09,640
Miami Heat are doing a lot of things. Well, I'm

2277
01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:11,920
not sure almost any of them work quite as effectively

2278
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,800
if Hawkes is not barreling up the floor on the

2279
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,239
ball all the time, by the way, running into you

2280
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,840
and either spraying a pass out or scoring at the rim.

2281
01:47:21,399 --> 01:47:23,960
Still not a great shooter, and maybe that gets like

2282
01:47:24,079 --> 01:47:27,560
gamed against or schemed against, but he's been just overpowering

2283
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:30,560
as an offensive on ball threat, like seventeen to seven

2284
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,520
and five as we record this, he's just like, didn't

2285
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,119
save that. It's excessive to say he saved his career,

2286
01:47:36,479 --> 01:47:38,960
but he's like one of the biggest reasons the Heat

2287
01:47:39,159 --> 01:47:41,640
have been an incredibly exciting story this season.

2288
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,079
Speaker 1: My final pick going to Denny Afia probably would have

2289
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:48,399
been involved in this exercise last season. But if you're

2290
01:47:48,399 --> 01:47:50,640
going to come in from last season and now average

2291
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:53,680
over twenty six points and five, round five is his

2292
01:47:53,800 --> 01:47:56,359
per game while upping your three point percentage, while shooting

2293
01:47:56,399 --> 01:47:59,920
better on two pointers, while running the entire Blazers all

2294
01:48:00,239 --> 01:48:02,760
when you look at the injuries, playing super fast, giving

2295
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:04,920
them really good defense, especially in some of their more

2296
01:48:05,159 --> 01:48:06,640
positionless lineups.

2297
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 2: As of right now.

2298
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: If we were to do all star teams today and

2299
01:48:10,079 --> 01:48:14,399
the wacky setup that Adam Silver has concocted he's probably

2300
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,279
making one in the Western Conference, which is that's insane.

2301
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:18,479
What do you want to move on to?

2302
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:20,039
Speaker 2: Next? Grant? Are you ready for some trivia?

2303
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:22,079
Speaker 3: Let's hit it so.

2304
01:48:22,359 --> 01:48:24,159
Speaker 2: I have two sets that we're gonna talk.

2305
01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:28,720
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk scoring here, Grant, which NBA player has

2306
01:48:28,760 --> 01:48:30,920
the higher career scoring high?

2307
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 2: Luka Doncic or Donovan Mitchell.

2308
01:48:35,319 --> 01:48:38,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, ooh, doest Luca have like a I'm

2309
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:39,119
gonna say, Luca.

2310
01:48:39,720 --> 01:48:43,079
Speaker 2: He does seventy three points to Donovan Mitchell seventy one? Oh?

2311
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:45,199
Speaker 3: I forgot Mitchell had a seventy one. I knew Luca

2312
01:48:45,239 --> 01:48:45,880
had a seventy.

2313
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:49,319
Speaker 2: In there, Giannis attend to koopo or Joel Embiid?

2314
01:48:50,319 --> 01:48:54,680
Speaker 3: Hmmm, well did the Pacers steal the game ball when

2315
01:48:55,000 --> 01:48:59,079
Joel Embiid said his career high, I'm gonna go Yannis.

2316
01:49:00,039 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. Joel Embiid had seventy. Giannis hoops out

2317
01:49:02,840 --> 01:49:08,199
at sixty four. John Morant or Zion Williams, John Morant

2318
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:12,479
or Zion Williamson, HM, no number.

2319
01:49:12,319 --> 01:49:14,399
Speaker 3: Jumps to mind right away for this one. I'm gonna

2320
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:16,720
go with jaw just because he's played a little more.

2321
01:49:17,359 --> 01:49:19,720
Speaker 2: That is correct. Fifty two is his career high.

2322
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:25,800
Speaker 1: Zion forty three underwhelming? Shake, Gilgess, Alexander or Clay Thompson.

2323
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:30,880
Speaker 3: Oh, what is Shae? I don't know what Shae. I'm

2324
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:31,520
gonna go Clay.

2325
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 2: It is Clay sixty. And then Shae had a double

2326
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:36,840
nickel which he dropped this past year.

2327
01:49:37,319 --> 01:49:38,800
Speaker 3: Guarantee you Shaye dribbled more.

2328
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Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards or Trey Young. I'll say Aunt that is incorrect.

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Anthony Edwards fifty three, Trey Young fifty six. You should

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have known that one. Lamello ball or Kid Cunningham.

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Speaker 3: I'll say Caid.

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Speaker 2: That is incorrect.

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Speaker 1: Caid's career high as forty six, Lamello's fifty. Forgot that

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final one. Austin Reeves or Jalen Williams J dubb I don't.

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Speaker 3: Think Jadab's got fit. I have to say Reeves.

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Speaker 2: You are correct.

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Speaker 1: Reeves had his fifty one burger this season. Jay Dubbs

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topped out at forty one.

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Speaker 2: Last one for you.

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Speaker 1: Six active NBA players have multiple sixty point games.

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Speaker 2: Can you name all of them? I will give you

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three strikes.

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Speaker 3: Steph that is correct. One Damian Lillard. Correct, that's two

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multiple sixties. I mean Kevin Durant incorrect, strike one, greatest

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score of all time. Come on, let's see who else

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has got multiple sixties. I'll say embiid that is incorrect.

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Speaker 2: Strike two.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, we are not going to get to any

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of these. You might have to give me a hint

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so I don't strike out after just two correct guesses.

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Fight your most natural impulses, fight my most natural impulses.

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Speaker 2: What does that even mean?

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what my natural impulses are.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's you're missing. Here's your hint. You're missing a

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very obvious place.

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Speaker 3: Okay, is it Lebron incorrect?

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Speaker 1: Straight three? Honestly I'm ashamed. Here's man, here's the here's

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the full list. James Harden five sixty point games. Okay,

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you got Damian Lillard, he's had four, Steph had two.

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These other three players also had to Devid Booker, Luka,

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Doncic and Karl Anthony Towns was so was?

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Speaker 3: What was the fight? My natural instincts thought you were

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gonna go with Lebron, which you did and you didn't.

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But he's he's a passer Dan, He's not a scorer

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was a natural instinct score.

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Speaker 1: Apparently, I'm two of six. I expected you to get

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I didn't think you were gonna get Towns.

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe you.

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Speaker 1: I thought you would get hardened for sure, and I

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thought you would have gotten Doncic just because you previously

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knew he had the seventy three points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the important part is I was two for two

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and then I stopped trying. I think, let's should we

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frame it that way?

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Speaker 2: Let's go with that. Yeah, let's go with that. Do

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we do it? Do you have any doubts or are

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you ready to take us out of here?

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Speaker 3: Good draft, good content, good discussions. I think that is

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going to cover it though. Thanks everybody for listening, for watching.

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