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Speaker 1: Today we're going to talk about three of the more
Speaker 1: important people involved in the assassination, particularly Lawrence Howard, William
Speaker 1: Seymour Lauren Hall, the three men paramount in establishing the
Speaker 1: Oswald legend in Dallas. So, without further ado, let me begin.
Speaker 1: Three of the more central characters in the assassination are
Speaker 1: also the three who attract the least amount of attention.
Speaker 1: The names of William Seymour, Lawren Hall, and Lawrence Howard
Speaker 1: are scattered throughout the Assassination literature. However, their importance in
Speaker 1: the events leading up to and including November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, has largely been overlooked. When people discuss
Speaker 1: this nefarious trio, it is usually in regards to their
Speaker 1: involvement with inter PENN or the Intercontinental Penetration Force. INTERPENN
Speaker 1: was the creation of a man named Jerry Hemming, but
Speaker 1: it was supported and finance by the CIA. They were
Speaker 1: responsible for the organization of training camps for the anti
Speaker 1: Castro Cuban exiles and other mercenaries for the purpose of
Speaker 1: carrying out raids in Cuba. The camp on the north
Speaker 1: side of Lake Pontetrain, often associated with David Ferry's anti
Speaker 1: Castro activities, was set up and run by Hemming's INTERPENN group.
Speaker 1: According to Spartacus Educational INTERPENN was involved in training members
Speaker 1: of the anti Castro groups funded by the Central Intelligence
Speaker 1: Agency in Florida in the early nineteen sixties. When the
Speaker 1: government began to crack down on raids from Florida. In
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two, INTERPEND set up a new training camp
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. During this period, Heming was arrested by
Speaker 1: customs for gun running, but the charges were later dismissed.
Speaker 1: INTERPENN was a nexus of CIA agents, private contractors, and
Speaker 1: anti Castro Cubans. Some of the names associated with interpenner
Speaker 1: Roy Hargraves, Dick Wattley, Ronald Augustinovich, Edmund Kolby, Ralph Schlafter,
Speaker 1: and Edwin Collins. Lauren Hall, Lawrence Howard, and William Seymour, however,
Speaker 1: were the most significant and impactful members of this group,
Speaker 1: as it pertains to the assassination of JFK. Lauren. Hall
Speaker 1: was your typical gung ho right wing anti communist mercenary type.
Speaker 1: He started at five foot eleven inches tall, weigh around
Speaker 1: two hundred pounds with jet black hair. He often claimed
Speaker 1: to be a Cuban, using the name of Lorenzo Pacio,
Speaker 1: but in reality he was born in Newton, Kansas in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty. Hall had joined the Marines in mid nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: By nineteen fifty nine, he was a captain in Castro's
Speaker 1: Revolutionary Army. Hall had become involved in a plot to
Speaker 1: overthrow Anastasio Samosa debail the Nicaraguin Dick Tator. However, he
Speaker 1: and others were caught and arrested by the Cuban government.
Speaker 1: Hall served six months in a Cuban jail cell quote.
Speaker 1: Also in prison at this time was Santos Traficante Junior.
Speaker 1: On July eighth, nineteen fifty nine, Castro deported three Americans,
Speaker 1: Trafficante Hall and Henry Savadra, a former employee of the
Speaker 1: Capri Hotel in Havana, which was reportedly run by a
Speaker 1: syndicate including Trafficante and Charlie the Blade Touring. In nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty one, Hall moved to California, where he set up
Speaker 1: his personal base of operations for his anti Castro activities. However,
Speaker 1: in sixty two to sixty three he was associated with
Speaker 1: elements of the No Name Key group of CIA agents
Speaker 1: and anti Castro guerrillas in southern Florida. It is known
Speaker 1: that Trafficante made contacts with some of the No Name
Speaker 1: Key Group members and may have funded some of its operations.
Speaker 1: Hall often attempted to solicit money under the guise of
Speaker 1: the Cuban Rebel Army. However, others who ran in the
Speaker 1: same circles as Hall believed this was a scheme to
Speaker 1: pocket the cash. Hall had traveled the country in the
Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties giving speeches to theirus right wing groups,
Speaker 1: including the John Birch Society and the minutemen he often
Speaker 1: traveled with quote Mexican Larry Howard, Jerry Hemming, and William Seymour.
Speaker 1: According to an FBI informant within Enter Penn, despite his
Speaker 1: numerous attempts at creating an alibi for November twenty second,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, Hall was most certainly in Dallas. Hall
Speaker 1: is inextricably linked to the assassination, where I place him
Speaker 1: on the sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository,
Speaker 1: firing shots from the west side window. His weapon of
Speaker 1: choice a Johnson thirty O six rifle, which he had
Speaker 1: picked up from a man named Richard Hathcock in Los Angeles. Quote.
Speaker 1: Other documents released by the ARB discussA Johnson's semi automatic
Speaker 1: thirty out six rifle that was apparently found in Daley
Speaker 1: Plaza soon after the shooting. The documents strongly linked this
Speaker 1: rifle to two men who have long been suspected of
Speaker 1: being involved in the assassination plot, Lauren Hall and Jerry
Speaker 1: Patrick Hemming. Lauren Hall and an unidentified Hispanic man took
Speaker 1: the weapon about a week before the assassination. Hall himself
Speaker 1: told Hathcock, the California owner of the rifle, five days
Speaker 1: prior to the assassination that he had to catch a
Speaker 1: flight to Dallas. In the months leading up to the assassination,
Speaker 1: Lauren Hall and Jerry Hemming, who had been using the
Speaker 1: name Jerry Patrick, met with Hathcock at the offices of
Speaker 1: his private detective business in Los Angeles, Allied International Detectives.
Speaker 1: He had become associated with these men through the relationship
Speaker 1: with Dick Wattley, who had introduced the pair to Hathcock.
Speaker 1: Hathcock told investigators that he had loaned the men one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars in exchange for a set of golf clubs
Speaker 1: and a Johnson thirty six rifle with a Bushnell scope.
Speaker 1: An FBI memo written by S. A. Jerome K. Crowe,
Speaker 1: detailing a conversation with Hathcock about Hall and Hemming, was
Speaker 1: dated November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, the day after
Speaker 1: the assassination. The implication of this date is that the
Speaker 1: FBI knew about this rifle immediately after Kennedy was killed,
Speaker 1: whether through fingerprints or by tracing the serial number, or
Speaker 1: an act of psychic phenomenon. The FBI was able to
Speaker 1: obtain the full backstory to the rifle less than twenty five,
Speaker 1: four hours after the president had been shot. The statements
Speaker 1: made by Hathcock indicated that Hall had picked up the
Speaker 1: rifle from him on September seventeenth or eighteenth, nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 1: and that five days before Kennedy was killed, Hall had
Speaker 1: told him he was on his way to Dallas. Halfcock
Speaker 1: told authorities quote they wanted to borrow the one hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: and what they had for security was a set of
Speaker 1: golf clubs and a rifle which was a thirty caliber
Speaker 1: Johnson modified to semi automatic operation, which I believed held
Speaker 1: nine rounds and was also equipped with a Bushnell variable scope.
Speaker 1: I gave them one hundred dollars and they left the
Speaker 1: clubs in the rifle. For several weeks after that, I
Speaker 1: saw both men frequently. Then. My understanding was that Jerry
Speaker 1: Patrick returned to Miami to set things in operation down
Speaker 1: there for a planned invasion of Cuba. What they had planned,
Speaker 1: essentially was to blow up some oil storage tanks on
Speaker 1: the west coast. Lorenzo Hall stayed there and was in
Speaker 1: the Private Eye office very often, almost every day. He
Speaker 1: told me that he and Patrick had originally been in
Speaker 1: Castro's army when They believed that he was trying to
Speaker 1: free Cuba from Batista, found out as a communist, had
Speaker 1: no interest in the people, and they turned on Castro,
Speaker 1: with the result that they were both imprisoned and sentenced
Speaker 1: to be shot. Both through manipulations and through friends, managed
Speaker 1: to escape and get to this country. Hall and Heming
Speaker 1: were a real deal. Both were contract agents for the CIA,
Speaker 1: involved heavily with the anti Castro Cuban movement and the
Speaker 1: various organizations that surrounded them at the time. After the
Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs incident, it seems as though many of
Speaker 1: these militia types were lost. They were angry at both
Speaker 1: Kennedy and the CIA. Many of them found their way
Speaker 1: to New Orleans, Dallas, Los Angeles, and other cities that
Speaker 1: had a heavy intelligence influence where they could find work.
Speaker 1: Although many researchers put Hemming in Dallas on November twenty second,
Speaker 1: the evidence of his involvement in the assassination is minimal
Speaker 1: at best. Heming claims that he was in Miami that
Speaker 1: the time Kennedy was killed. Other than a photograph of
Speaker 1: a man slightly resembling Hemming standing in Dealey Plaza wearing
Speaker 1: a great business suit and one potential witness, I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything concrete that would make me feel comfortable naming
Speaker 1: Hemming as one of the plotters. The potential witness to
Speaker 1: Hemming's presence was a man named Philip Ben Hathaway. He
Speaker 1: and a man named John Stephens Rutterer Lawrence were walking
Speaker 1: near Main and ackerd in downtown Dallas just prior to
Speaker 1: the assassination when they saw a man carrying what they
Speaker 1: believed to have been a rifle case quote. I saw
Speaker 1: this man walking towards me, walking towards commerce, and took
Speaker 1: particular attention to him because of his size. I am
Speaker 1: six' five and weigh two hundred. Pounds this man was very,
Speaker 1: tall approximately six six or sixty seven over two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty, pounds very thick and big throughout the, chest
Speaker 1: in his, thirties dirty blonde hair worn a crew, cut
Speaker 1: was wearing a great colored business suit with white dress,
Speaker 1: shirt fair. COMPLEXION i remarked to my friend that there
Speaker 1: was a guy carrying a gun in all this, crowd
Speaker 1: and made the remark that he was probably a secret.
Speaker 1: Serviceman other than this description By, hathaway which Matches hemming
Speaker 1: to a, t and a photo of a similarly gray
Speaker 1: suited man In Dley, plaza which does Resemble. HEMMING i
Speaker 1: have little else linking him to the. Plot heming may
Speaker 1: very well have been, involved but my research Into heming
Speaker 1: and the assassination's story AS i know know it have
Speaker 1: yet to intersect in any meaningful. WAY i have yet
Speaker 1: to be able to Place heming concretely In dallas at the.
Speaker 1: Time there is no doubt he fit the. Mold he
Speaker 1: was certainly of the same beliefs and attitudes of the
Speaker 1: men involved in the, assassination but without corroboration or plausible
Speaker 1: storyline involving, Him heming may have been just right where
Speaker 1: he said he. Was, hall on the other, hand was
Speaker 1: most certainly. Guilty, he like many other of the men
Speaker 1: questioned about the, assassination provided over the top, explanations going
Speaker 1: above and beyond what was needed to say in order
Speaker 1: to defend. Himself he had even testified with immunity before
Speaker 1: The House subcommittee On assassinations in the nineteen. Seventies hall
Speaker 1: tried very hard to establish an alibi For november twenty,
Speaker 1: second nineteen sixty, three claiming he was In Los. Angeles
Speaker 1: he testified that his wife had seen him on that,
Speaker 1: date which has never been. Corroborated he also claimed he
Speaker 1: had been at a business CALLED Ipco Hospital supply from
Speaker 1: noon until around three thirty pm with a man Named Robert.
Speaker 1: Hudson ipco actually Employed. Hall beginning a few weeks after the.
Speaker 1: Assassination hudson had provided statement to, investigators Giving hall a
Speaker 1: much needed. Alibi, however his statements were later quietly. Recanted
Speaker 1: according To Harold wiseburg quote it was, preliminarily it was
Speaker 1: preliminary that Mister hudson And hall were lunching together and
Speaker 1: discussing the sale of an. Automobile The hudson statement was
Speaker 1: conclusive to time and. Date, however After hall's appearance in
Speaker 1: court In, Bakersfield, California hudson recanted his statement and a
Speaker 1: little note of this was made, or AS i was
Speaker 1: to find, out was not made available at the state
Speaker 1: level to influence the decision on Getting hall To New. Orleans,
Speaker 1: hall as you well, know is a master of the twisted, story, events.
Speaker 1: ETC i THINK i recall your conversation pretty close when
Speaker 1: you guys were In Los angeles talking To hall at
Speaker 1: THE Va, hospital That hall could be a trigger. Man wiseburg,
Speaker 1: continued stating That hall had been traveling around the country
Speaker 1: for a year or, more speaking and raising money for various,
Speaker 1: groups but Once november twenty, second nineteen sixty, three, arrived
Speaker 1: all Of hall's activities stopped. Cold was his seizing of
Speaker 1: activities due to his culpability And canny's, assassination or simply
Speaker 1: a general sense of impending doom for all attached to
Speaker 1: the Anti castro, Movement probably a bit of. Both according
Speaker 1: To David kaiser in his two thousand and eight Book
Speaker 1: The road To, dallas He hall drove With hemming To
Speaker 1: florida in early nineteen sixty, three stopping over In, dallas
Speaker 1: where they had met oil Geologist Lester, Logue Robert, morris
Speaker 1: And General, walker and received from some funds From, logue
Speaker 1: a political associate OF. H. L. Hunt the timing Of
Speaker 1: hall's first trip To dallas was determined to have been
Speaker 1: In march of nineteen sixty. Three it was later on
Speaker 1: In april of nineteen sixty three That heming And hall
Speaker 1: arrived In, miami where they are said to have met
Speaker 1: With Santos, Traficante Sam giancanna And Johnny. Roselli the alleged
Speaker 1: purpose of this meeting was to discuss an upcoming rate
Speaker 1: On cuba led by Adventurer Eddie, bio scheduled For, june
Speaker 1: even Though hall was known To, TRAFFICANTE i find the
Speaker 1: likelihood that this meeting occurred as. Slim if it did,
Speaker 1: occur it was most certainly not in regards to Anti castro.
Speaker 1: Operations three of the biggest names in The american mafia
Speaker 1: at ninth teen sixty three gather In miami to meet
Speaker 1: With Lauren hall About. Cuba, REALLY i don't think. So. No,
Speaker 1: now would these guys have head To miami to meet
Speaker 1: With Lauren, hall potential gunmen in the assassination Of President.
Speaker 1: Kennedy that is a far more believable story if this
Speaker 1: meeting actually took. Place, unfortunately all we have are vague
Speaker 1: generalities on the timing Of hall On hemming's. Trip what
Speaker 1: we know is that the two met With General Edwin
Speaker 1: walker at his home In dallas in Late march of
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty. Three this is just prior to the shooting
Speaker 1: At walker's home On april, tenth allegedly By Lee Harvey.
Speaker 1: Oswald it is around this time that the two men
Speaker 1: arrive In, miami but we are left guessing the exact.
Speaker 1: Dates even if we had dates provided to us by authoritative,
Speaker 1: sources could we really trust them to be. Correct what
Speaker 1: seems much more likely is that Hall On hemming Left
Speaker 1: Los angeles For, dallas where they met With walker and
Speaker 1: planned his staged assassination, attempt which would occur On april.
Speaker 1: TENTH a witness identified As Kirk, coleman who was fourteen
Speaker 1: year old neighbor Of, walker's told investigators that there were
Speaker 1: two men involved in the shooting and that neither of
Speaker 1: them Was. Oswald coleman heard the shot from the doorway
Speaker 1: of his, bedroom which led to the yard north side
Speaker 1: on the north side of his. Home upon running, outside
Speaker 1: he looked over the fence bordering The mormon church adjacent
Speaker 1: to his, house where he observed the two. Men although
Speaker 1: it was dark, Out coleman was aided by the floodlights
Speaker 1: in the church parking, lot giving him a clear view
Speaker 1: of the men and their. Activities they were on the
Speaker 1: other side of the church parking, lot about twenty five
Speaker 1: to thirty feet From coleman's. Fence he described one of
Speaker 1: the men as five foot, ten one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pounds and really. Skinny he had bushy brown, hair a thin,
Speaker 1: face and a large. Nose he believed this man to be,
Speaker 1: young around nineteen to twenty years. Old he, stated this
Speaker 1: man rushed back from the back of the, car which
Speaker 1: had been idling with his lights. On he said he
Speaker 1: was a nineteen Fifty white or Tan. Ford the man
Speaker 1: entered the vehicle hurriedly and left the. Scene the second
Speaker 1: man was described By coleman as having been around six foot,
Speaker 1: one weighing two hundred. Pounds he had, long dark sleeved
Speaker 1: shirnon in dark. Pants coleman was unable to provide any further.
Speaker 1: Description before getting into his vehicle in nineteen fifty eight
Speaker 1: black and white two Toned, chevy the man leaned into
Speaker 1: the back seat through the driver's side door as placing something.
Speaker 1: There the car had also been left idling with the lights.
Speaker 1: On the man entered the driver's seat and sped. Away
Speaker 1: coleman told investigators he had never seen these men At
Speaker 1: walker's home before or after the attempt on his. Life
Speaker 1: after being shown numerous pictures Of, oswald he declined to
Speaker 1: Name oswald as one of the two. Men according To
Speaker 1: James kelliher's, book he was expendable national, security political and
Speaker 1: bureaucratic cover. UPS a man Named Max klanch was working
Speaker 1: security detail For. Walker several days before the attempt on his.
Speaker 1: Life he had seen a suspicious vehicle drive By walker's
Speaker 1: home several. Times he described this car as a nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty Seven chevy and the driver was described as A
Speaker 1: cuban or dark. Complected another associate Of, walker's identified As
Speaker 1: robert Er Allen, surrey had a similar. Experience surrey was
Speaker 1: also the man responsible for the Controversial Welcome Mister kennedy
Speaker 1: flyer that appeared In dallas on the day of the.
Speaker 1: Assassination two days before the attempt On, Walker surrey observed
Speaker 1: a new model dark brown or maroon four Door ford
Speaker 1: with two men standing. Near the men were described as
Speaker 1: having been in their, thirties around five to. Ten both
Speaker 1: were wearing nice shirts and. Suits they had been looking
Speaker 1: in the windows At walker's. Home he reported the incident To. Walker,
Speaker 1: however the men were never located or. Identified during The garrison,
Speaker 1: investigation a man Named Jules Rico kimball was interviewed due
Speaker 1: to his alleged connections to Fairy shaw and mercenaries surrounding
Speaker 1: the Anti castro activities In New. Orleans kimball was also
Speaker 1: a member of The Ku Klux klan and every other
Speaker 1: right wing organization which THE cia AND fbi sought to.
Speaker 1: Penetrate kimball had Told garrison that he was a fink
Speaker 1: for THE. Feds garrison believed That kimball was a reliable
Speaker 1: witness and had stated most of What kimball had told.
Speaker 1: Him it checked. Out like every other, Witness kimball's testimony is.
Speaker 1: Imperfect he had, been, however in a position to get
Speaker 1: to know many of the major players involved in the.
Speaker 1: Assassination his specific knowledge of these individuals and their relationships
Speaker 1: with each other make it evident that he was intimately
Speaker 1: connected to. Them this makes him as good of a
Speaker 1: witness as any to offer insight into the mindset of these.
Speaker 1: Men When garrison asked him at The walker shooting In
Speaker 1: oswald's potential, involvement this is what was. Said what do
Speaker 1: you think At General? WALKER i, mean you, say you
Speaker 1: Know General. Walker do you think it's true he might
Speaker 1: have been? Involved first of, all you know That oswald
Speaker 1: was said to have taken the shot At General. WALKER
Speaker 1: i don't believe. IT i Think howard took the. Shot,
Speaker 1: oh you Think howard took a. Shot certainly he was
Speaker 1: In dallas with all those other. CRUMBS i don't Believe
Speaker 1: oswald did. IT i don't. Care you, SEE i don't
Speaker 1: want to go around trying to prove. Anything i'm just
Speaker 1: trying to tell you who did what and. Why, Well
Speaker 1: oswald supposedly had someone with. Him there were perhaps two
Speaker 1: people involved in, it Like Billy seymour And, howard who
Speaker 1: was always hauling his Big mexican carcass around trying to
Speaker 1: pull some kind of. Caper Lawrence howard was a dark
Speaker 1: Skinned Mexican american and he was born to An irish
Speaker 1: father and A mexican mother On january, seventeenth nineteen thirty,
Speaker 1: five In Los. Angeles he had served in the military
Speaker 1: and became heavily involved with the Anti castro activities after The.
Speaker 1: Revolution howard was a large, man coming in five foot
Speaker 1: eleven inches tall and weighing over over the years between
Speaker 1: two hundred and three hundred. Pounds pictures of him during
Speaker 1: the early day of the Anti castro movement in sixty
Speaker 1: one show a much more lean. Specimen, however by the
Speaker 1: time of the assassination he had gained an excessive amount of.
Speaker 1: Weight this accounts for the different weight descriptions of him
Speaker 1: as recalled by witnesses between the early nineteen sixties And
Speaker 1: november twenty, second nineteen sixty. Three one characteristic Of howard
Speaker 1: that should stand out the most is that he is
Speaker 1: often described as having a pockmarked face or having bumps
Speaker 1: on his. Face he had rough skin and moles on both.
Speaker 1: Cheeks this will become extremely relevant as we have had
Speaker 1: numerous documented sightings Of oswald accompanied by a man described
Speaker 1: as a husky latino with a pockmarked. Face another important
Speaker 1: descriptor mentioned in The garrison files is that he has
Speaker 1: a pronounced scar over his left. Eye kimball believed the
Speaker 1: shooting At walker's house was done By howard And, seymour
Speaker 1: AND i have no choice but to Concur the main
Speaker 1: implication here is That oswald was not. Involved coleman had
Speaker 1: a good enough view of the two men present to
Speaker 1: rule Out oswald as a. Suspect even after viewing photographs Of,
Speaker 1: oswald he refused to identify him as one of the
Speaker 1: men on scene that. Night add to that the fact
Speaker 1: That oswald do, drive and we can say with certainty
Speaker 1: that he was not one of the men described By.
Speaker 1: Coleman this was yet another staged event stage for the,
Speaker 1: world designed to Incriminate oswald as a violent. Radical it
Speaker 1: didn't matter that the only witness to the, Aftermath Kirk,
Speaker 1: coleman couldn't Place oswald at the. Scene once they linked
Speaker 1: the rifle To oswald and the bullet covered From walker's
Speaker 1: house to the, rifle it was case closed On oswald's.
Speaker 1: Guilt coleman had identified a black and white fifty Eight
Speaker 1: chevy driven by a man around six foot tall and
Speaker 1: two hundred, pounds but no further. Description Max klanch described
Speaker 1: a very similar fifty Seven chevy with A cuban or
Speaker 1: dark complexed driver circling the. Block do you really think
Speaker 1: these guys know the difference between a fifty seven and
Speaker 1: a fifty Eight. CHEVY i think it's fairly obvious that
Speaker 1: both men were describing the same. Car the description of
Speaker 1: a six foot, tall two hundred pound man who was
Speaker 1: dark complex and possibly A cuban supports the idea That
Speaker 1: howard was in fact driving and this one of the
Speaker 1: men involved in The walker. Shooting William seymour was a
Speaker 1: small framed. Man he stood between five foot six and
Speaker 1: five foot eight inches tall and weighed one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty to one hundred and sixty five, pounds depending on
Speaker 1: who you. Ask he had light brown hair and receiving
Speaker 1: hairlines similar To. Oswald's he was born In, tucson but
Speaker 1: lived much of his life In, Phoenix, arizona which will
Speaker 1: become extremely important later. On he's often said to have sharp,
Speaker 1: features including his. Chin he was also described By Lawrence
Speaker 1: howard as closely Resembling Lee Harvey. Oswald it must have
Speaker 1: been his resemblance to the main character in the assassination
Speaker 1: story that led to his recruitment for the setup Of.
Speaker 1: Oswald seymour had undoubtedly been one of the two Primary
Speaker 1: oswald impostors whose actions created the dissident persona we have
Speaker 1: all become familiar. With besides being a suspect or accomplice
Speaker 1: in the stage shooting At walker's, house there are numerous
Speaker 1: other incidents in the months leading up to the assassination
Speaker 1: in Which William seymour was being mistaken For. Oswald one
Speaker 1: of the more important events in the assassination story alleged
Speaker 1: to have Involved oswald was the meeting At Sylvia odios
Speaker 1: on twenty, seventh nineteen sixty. Three one thing to note
Speaker 1: is That oswald allegedly crossed the border Into mexico On
Speaker 1: september the twenty. Sixth september the twenty sixth is also
Speaker 1: the date That oswald closed out HIS po box and
Speaker 1: left a forwarding address indicating he was actually still In New.
Speaker 1: Orleans Sylvia odio was the daughter of two prominent Anti
Speaker 1: castro activists who had been jailed In cuba in nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Three she claimed she had Met Lee Harvey oswald in
Speaker 1: Late september with Two cubans who had shown up at her.
Speaker 1: Home odio told THE fbi the purpose of their visit
Speaker 1: was to ask if she would write letters to solicit
Speaker 1: funds from Various dallas businesses to support The Junta revolutionaria
Speaker 1: OR jur for, SHORT A JUI, jor was Another cuban revolutionary,
Speaker 1: group much like The friends Of Democratic, cuba which was
Speaker 1: based out Of New. Orleans odio initially stated that she
Speaker 1: could not remember all of the, names but she believed
Speaker 1: that one of The cubans was Named leopaldo and that
Speaker 1: the man she was confident Was Lee Harvey oswald was
Speaker 1: identified As Leon. Oswald she later told THE. Fbi the
Speaker 1: third man went by the Name. Angelo note the Alias
Speaker 1: Leon oswald was the name used By Carrie thornley In
Speaker 1: New orleans when he Met Perry. RUSSO a day after their,
Speaker 1: Visit odio told THE fbi That leopaldo called her and
Speaker 1: asked her what she thought Of. Ozwald she told him
Speaker 1: that she didn't have much of an opinion of. Him
Speaker 1: leopuldo told her they were not going to work with,
Speaker 1: him as he was. Logo the controversy over this incident
Speaker 1: involves the identity of these men and the timing of
Speaker 1: their meeting With. Odeo oswald was In Mexico, city according
Speaker 1: to the official, story which puts the narrative in a precocious.
Speaker 1: Position THE fbi can't Put oswald At Sylvia odio's, apartment
Speaker 1: but it also can't Admit oswald was being. Impersonated the initial,
Speaker 1: suspect a suspicion By, garrison was that this trio was
Speaker 1: none other Than Howard hall And. Seymour we know That
Speaker 1: Howard hall And seymour were In dallas By Lawrence, hall
Speaker 1: By Lawrence howard's own admission honor About september, seventeenth nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: Three Lauren hall And Celios Albas that's Just An alias
Speaker 1: by the way Departed Los, angeles Driving hall's nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: Six oldsmobile and pulling a luggage. Carrier hall planned to
Speaker 1: stop In dallas to pick up additional, supplies, funds and
Speaker 1: contact and unknown man regarding a. Boat they arrived In
Speaker 1: dallas on About september, twentieth nineteen sixty. Three howard said
Speaker 1: they remained In dallas for about ten, days during Which
Speaker 1: hall was busy making contacts to obtain additional. Supplies how
Speaker 1: can we say with certainty that our trio of suspects
Speaker 1: were actually the men who had met With odeo Because
Speaker 1: Lauren hall told us. So On september, sixteenth nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: Four Lauren hall had met WITH, fbi and when, asked
Speaker 1: he confirmed that, He, howard And seymour did in fact
Speaker 1: Visit odio's. Apartment AN fbi memo on the, incident Dated
Speaker 1: september twenty, sixth nineteen sixty, four Title Lee Harvey Oswald
Speaker 1: Internal security R, cuba reads as follows. Quote the following
Speaker 1: investigation is predicated on information received On september, sixteenth nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: four From Lauren hall Of, Kernville, california that he had
Speaker 1: met with a woman named Missus odio In, Dallas texas
Speaker 1: In september of nineteen sixty. Three he said he was
Speaker 1: accompanied at the time By Laurence, howard A Mexican american
Speaker 1: From Los, Angeles, california And William seymour From. ARIZONA A
Speaker 1: september twenty, fifth nineteen sixty four report from S. A HARRY.
Speaker 1: H whidby provides more detail elicited From hall Quote Lauren Eugene,
Speaker 1: Hall advised, nine sixteen sixty. Four In september nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: three he was At, Dallas texas in company Of Lawrence
Speaker 1: howard And William seymour at solicit aid in an Anti castro.
Speaker 1: Movement hall contacted Many cubans In dallas. Area hall recalled
Speaker 1: meeting A cuban, woman Missus, odio who lived In APARTMENT
Speaker 1: a located On Magellan circle and the same apartment building
Speaker 1: where A cuban friend Named Keki ferrer was then. Residing
Speaker 1: hall denies That Lee Harvey oswald was with him during
Speaker 1: his visit to Missus odio's. Apartment, hall, however recanted this.
Speaker 1: Statement On september, twentieth nineteen sixty, four he was reinterviewed
Speaker 1: by THE. Fbi he now claimed that he was actually
Speaker 1: In dallas With howard And seymour on two separate, occasions
Speaker 1: but not with both. Together hall stated that he'd be
Speaker 1: an error in previously stating that the incident referred to
Speaker 1: By Sylvia odio had probably involved a contact by, Himself
Speaker 1: William seymour And Lawrence. Howard after reflection regarding trips made
Speaker 1: by him To dallas In, miami he now recalls that
Speaker 1: he was accompanied By William seymour and by A Lawrence
Speaker 1: howard In dallas on separate trips to that. City the
Speaker 1: report goes on the state, Quote hall said, that having
Speaker 1: eliminated the confusion of his associates of this Of september
Speaker 1: And october visits of his, recollection he now does remember
Speaker 1: and does not remember any incident where he and the
Speaker 1: company of two other individuals made contact as such described By. Odio,
Speaker 1: sorry but the cat is already out of the. Bag
Speaker 1: any subsequent attempts to roll back his statements were nothing
Speaker 1: more than cover up for the obvious mistake of admitting
Speaker 1: it in the first. Place at the time of the,
Speaker 1: Interview hall obviously didn't understand implications of his. Confession odio
Speaker 1: was interviewed On october, first nineteen sixty, four and shown
Speaker 1: a number of pictures Of, Hall, howard And, seymour she
Speaker 1: told THE fbi that she could not positively identify any
Speaker 1: of them as the man who visited. Her William symour
Speaker 1: And Lawrence howard denied their involvement in the incident right
Speaker 1: from the. Start seymour claimed he was working In miami
Speaker 1: at the. Time he claimed that he didn't make a
Speaker 1: trip To dallas until Mid, october despite the fact That Ken,
Speaker 1: Schusler seymour's boss At Beach Welding supplies In, miami covered for.
Speaker 1: Him seymour was most certainly In. Dallas according To, Schusler
Speaker 1: seymour worked for him daily until he departed the following,
Speaker 1: month allegedly For, arizona where his mother, lived in Mid.
Speaker 1: October the thing you have to remember is that these
Speaker 1: guys work as contract agents for THE. Cia any and
Speaker 1: all jobs that they may have on their official documentation
Speaker 1: were nothing more than front, jobs meaning meant to funnel
Speaker 1: money and provide. Alibis Beach welding was no. Exception despite
Speaker 1: the lies and obfuscation surrounding this, incident it is blatantly
Speaker 1: obvious that the men who met With odio were in
Speaker 1: fact Hul howard And. Seymour the audio incident is simply
Speaker 1: one of many Where oswald was identified as having been
Speaker 1: present when the subject in question was most Certainly William.
Speaker 1: Seymour the significance of this incident is that it demonstrates
Speaker 1: a pattern of people Misidentifying seymour As. Oswald another such
Speaker 1: incident involving this trio occurred at The Carousel. Club many
Speaker 1: believe That oswald was in fact an associate Of Jack,
Speaker 1: ruby BUT i have yet to uncover any evidence to
Speaker 1: support that. Theory WHEN i dug into each of the
Speaker 1: Alleged oswald's sightings Involving Jack, ruby again none of them held.
Speaker 1: Up WHAT i found, was at least in as far
Speaker 1: as The Carousel club incident On november, tenth nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: three is that the band misidentified As oswald was most
Speaker 1: Certainly William. SEYMOUR a man by the name Of harvey
Speaker 1: Lewill wade Of, Chattanooga, tennessee had gone To dallas Between
Speaker 1: november tenth and fourteenth on. Business on the evening Of
Speaker 1: November november, tenth he had visited The Carousel. Club while
Speaker 1: at The carousel, club he observed who he believed to
Speaker 1: have Been Lee Harvey, oswald in the company of two other.
Speaker 1: MEN a report on the incident BY Fbisa GEORGE. C
Speaker 1: welborne states the following. Quote the person Believed oswald was
Speaker 1: accompanied by two unknown. Men the number one man is
Speaker 1: described as a white male early, twenties five foot eight inches,
Speaker 1: tall one hundred and forty, pounds, long black, hair very pale,
Speaker 1: complexion and slender. Build he had no unusual characteristics, anymore
Speaker 1: a dark colored. Suit he Resembled oswald in. Appearance the
Speaker 1: number two man is described as a white male thirty
Speaker 1: to thirty two years, old two hundred, pounds five foot
Speaker 1: ten inches, tall stocky, build long black, hair dark, complexion oval,
Speaker 1: Face mexican Or spanish. Appearance he had numerous bump on
Speaker 1: his face and was believed to have a one inch
Speaker 1: scar in the eyebrow of his left. Eye the customer
Speaker 1: on stage with the stripper was described as five foot
Speaker 1: ten in just, tall thirty five years, old one hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty, pounds flat, top dark, hair, dressed not, recalled
Speaker 1: and was at the table with one girl and three
Speaker 1: or four. Men, now this description By wade is a
Speaker 1: near exact match To, Howard hall And, seymour with one
Speaker 1: exception being the description Of oswald's hair as being long
Speaker 1: and black in nineteen sixty, three long was a subjective
Speaker 1: term many back then believed hair longer than an inch
Speaker 1: was considered. Long as far as the man's hair being
Speaker 1: described as, Black wade was in a dimly lit, nightclub
Speaker 1: and so is likely the man's hair appeared darker than
Speaker 1: it actually. Was the description that really gives it away
Speaker 1: is the one referring To Lawrence, howard a stocky Man
Speaker 1: mexican in appearance with numerous bumps on his face and
Speaker 1: a scar over his left. Eyebrow that is Unquestionably Lawrence
Speaker 1: howard if that man Was Lawrence, howard and the circumstances
Speaker 1: and common sense will tell us that the other two
Speaker 1: men Were Lauren hall and the man who could pass For,
Speaker 1: Oswald William. Seymour this report goes on to state that
Speaker 1: these three men participated in a quote memory skit With
Speaker 1: bill De, maris who was Actually bill DeMar and that's
Speaker 1: actually an, alias the entertainer on stage who was known
Speaker 1: to have performed acts of hypnosis for the. Crowd does
Speaker 1: the person we have come to know Is Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: oswald have the type of personality that would engage in
Speaker 1: a memory. Skit, no not at. All oswald was a,
Speaker 1: loner and he's never reported to have any unknown associates In,
Speaker 1: dallas especially ones that Resemble hall And. HOWARD i think
Speaker 1: it's plainly obvious the men observed By wade at The
Speaker 1: Carousel club were in fact our trio of, Mercenaries, Hal
Speaker 1: howard And. Seymour wade was shown several, photographs including one
Speaker 1: Of Larry, crawford the man who claimed to Be, oswald
Speaker 1: that The Texas Employment. Commission it is unknown which men
Speaker 1: were in the photographs shown To, wade but he had
Speaker 1: refused to identify any of them as the men he
Speaker 1: saw at The Carousel. Club we already know that the
Speaker 1: man Resembling oswald was Not. Oswald the Real oswald was
Speaker 1: allegedly at The pain residence In Fort worth that, evening
Speaker 1: although we can't trust the testimony of anyone living at
Speaker 1: The pain. Residence so Was oswald really in Fort worth that? Night,
Speaker 1: honestly it doesn't even matter where he, was because in
Speaker 1: his far as this incident, goes the preponderance of evidence
Speaker 1: tells us it Was William. Seymour wade was later interviewed
Speaker 1: By garrison Investigator Bill boxley On october twenty, fifth nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Seven wade confirmed that his previous statements and his testimony
Speaker 1: as describing the warrant commission were. Accurate wade had obviously
Speaker 1: become familiar with the story Surrounding oswald and made the
Speaker 1: statement To, boxley of Course oswald was not. There boxley's
Speaker 1: report Continues wade responded, exuberantly, however when informed That oswald
Speaker 1: undoubtedly had a double In dallas as well as other
Speaker 1: places with, him and seemed relieved that he had not
Speaker 1: made the mistaken identification Of oswald which THE fbi questioner
Speaker 1: had indicated he must. Have boxley displayed a photograph Of
Speaker 1: Laurence howard To. Wade wade was unable to make the
Speaker 1: identification and Stated howard appeared to have too stern an
Speaker 1: expression on his. Face the problem with this identification is
Speaker 1: that when you come to identify the cast of characters
Speaker 1: the inner circle of the, assassination there simply isn't another
Speaker 1: husky Looking mexican with numerous bumps on his face and
Speaker 1: a scar over his left eye anywhere to be Found
Speaker 1: no other known person in any of the assassination literature
Speaker 1: comes close to matching this. Description the specifics of this
Speaker 1: description could only indicate one. Man Lawrence Howard garrison knew
Speaker 1: this as. Well he had been looking for A husky
Speaker 1: Pockmark lattin since nineteen sixty, one when a man matching
Speaker 1: the description accompanied Another oswald look alike to The Boltenford
Speaker 1: dealership In New orleans On january, twentieth nineteen sixty, one
Speaker 1: a time When oswald is known to have been in
Speaker 1: The Soviet. Union OSCAR. W, dslatt a sales manager at
Speaker 1: Bolton ford In New, orleans was approached by two men
Speaker 1: who are interested in perching several vehicles on behalf of
Speaker 1: The friends Of Democratic. Cuba according to THE, fbi The
Speaker 1: slat could not provide a specific description of either. Man,
Speaker 1: however that is not what he told he and his,
Speaker 1: Boss Fred sewell Told garrison's. Investigators one of the men
Speaker 1: was described as being, heavy Pockmarked latin who was all of,
Speaker 1: complexion with an athletic build and a scar over his left.
Speaker 1: Eye in nineteen sixty, One Lawrence howard was training With
Speaker 1: Jerry hemming down in The Florida keys pictures of him
Speaker 1: at the time show a much more Lean howard before
Speaker 1: he put on excessive. Weight the other man with him
Speaker 1: was described as Resembling Lee Harvey oswald and had actually
Speaker 1: identified himself to As Lee. Oswald To, dslat the Names
Speaker 1: oswald And Joseph moore were written on the truck purchase
Speaker 1: price estimate sheet that provided to. Them the estimate document
Speaker 1: substantiating To slats And sewell's account of the incident is
Speaker 1: present in both THE fbi And garrison. Files When dslat
Speaker 1: was shown a photograph Of Lee Harvey, oswald he said
Speaker 1: that he had never seen the man displayed to him
Speaker 1: and that he could not say that he was the
Speaker 1: man who accompanied The latin man he believed to Be
Speaker 1: Joseph moore on that. Date dslatt remember the incident because
Speaker 1: of the name of the organization the men, Provided friends
Speaker 1: Of Democratic, cuba which he thought was rather. Unusual the
Speaker 1: one thing About daslat that stands out as rather questionable
Speaker 1: is that when he was subpoenaed By garrison to speak
Speaker 1: before a grand jury in the case of Clay, shaw
Speaker 1: his lawyer of choice was G Ray, gill the notorious
Speaker 1: mob attorney whose main client was none other Than Carlos.
Speaker 1: Marcello another interesting coincidence is that the slat had told
Speaker 1: a friend of his about the incident in nineteen sixty,
Speaker 1: one identified As Charles, pearson manager of The Graham Paper.
Speaker 1: Company pearson then related the story To Mary, cusco a
Speaker 1: clerk who worked for him At. Graham cusco then told
Speaker 1: another well known character in the assassination, Story Carlos, Brenier,
Speaker 1: brenier of, course being the Anti Castro cuban who had
Speaker 1: been involved in the scuffle With oswald in front of
Speaker 1: The International trademark On august, ninth nineteen sixty. Three brenier
Speaker 1: reported this incident to Ac John rice of The Secret
Speaker 1: service On december, ninth nineteen sixty. Three once again we
Speaker 1: have characters resurfacing and involving themselves in even secondary aspects
Speaker 1: of the assassination. Story when all factors are taking in,
Speaker 1: consideration this incident has the feeling of being another staged.
Speaker 1: Event The friends Of Democratic cuba had been formed by
Speaker 1: a man Named William dalzell along With Guy, banister and
Speaker 1: was run out Of Guy bannister's office at five point
Speaker 1: forty Four Camp. Street they had no known operating. Budget
Speaker 1: the organization only existed on paper for just over a
Speaker 1: month and had no documented. Activities providing their name for
Speaker 1: the purchase of several trucks does only one. Thing it
Speaker 1: lights a path that leads to five point forty Four
Speaker 1: Camp street and all the shady activities conducted. There according
Speaker 1: to Researcher William, davey The friends Of Democratic cuba was
Speaker 1: strictly a dummy. Front in, fact an informant For New
Speaker 1: ORLEANS Da Jim garrison revealed that the group was an
Speaker 1: undercover operation in conjunction with THE cia AND, fbi which
Speaker 1: involved the shipment and transportation of individuals and supplies in
Speaker 1: and out Of. Cuba as a side, note the same
Speaker 1: informant revealed That garrison's office that THE fbi liaison was
Speaker 1: none other Than Regis, Kennedy hoover's point man with the
Speaker 1: Anti castro community In New. Orleans why this incident occurred
Speaker 1: as anyone's. Guess why the name Of oswald was used
Speaker 1: When oswald was provably out of the country is still a.
Speaker 1: MYSTERY i chucked this off to extremely poor planning in
Speaker 1: as far as an attempt to Paint oswald as a.
Speaker 1: Dissident If oswald was allegedly A. Communist why would he
Speaker 1: be paling around with the most rabid anti communists in the.
Speaker 1: Country who were the men that visited deslat that? Day
Speaker 1: the debate over this still. Rages the description of This
Speaker 1: latin man includes him having a pockmark face and a
Speaker 1: scar over his left. Eye could this once again Be Lawrence.
Speaker 1: Howard we know very little about the specific whereabouts Of
Speaker 1: howard and his activities during this time period in sixty.
Speaker 1: One we know that he was working With Jerry hemming
Speaker 1: in The Florida keys in sixty. One this does not preclude, him,
Speaker 1: however from Traveling New orleans during this. Time the same
Speaker 1: goes For William. Seymour seymour trained the Anti Castro cubans
Speaker 1: At No Name key in nineteen sixty, one but we
Speaker 1: also know that at some point he had lived at
Speaker 1: or at least stayed In New. Orleans seymour is said
Speaker 1: to have been The New orleans representative for The Double Check,
Speaker 1: corporation A cia front based out Of. Miami another known
Speaker 1: character in the assassination, Story Gordon, novell is also associated
Speaker 1: With Double. Check that would infer an association Between novelle And,
Speaker 1: seymour and we Know novelle was a direct associate Of David.
Speaker 1: Ferry no references allude to the time When seymour was
Speaker 1: associated with The New orleans branch of this. Company the
Speaker 1: lack of supporting information on the whereabouts Of howard And
Speaker 1: seymour in early sixty one make place in them At,
Speaker 1: Bolton florida. Challenge, however IF i were a betting, MAN
Speaker 1: i know Where i'd place my. Money David ferry is
Speaker 1: also known to have associated with A latin man of
Speaker 1: similar description To Lawrence. HOWARD a memo In garrison's lead
Speaker 1: files from nineteen sixty seven states the following. Quote Attorney
Speaker 1: Ray gill recalls seeing a heavy Set cuban come up
Speaker 1: to Visit ferry from time to. Time gil describes him
Speaker 1: as very rough looking and had. Pockmarked this is essentially
Speaker 1: the same description which we've had encountered from other, persons
Speaker 1: Including Harvey. Wade we should really be moving ahead faster
Speaker 1: on getting a precise identification on this heavy Set latin
Speaker 1: character who has shown up all over the place from
Speaker 1: early sixty one all the way through sixty three at
Speaker 1: The Carousel club In. Dallas So garrison believed that this
Speaker 1: pockmarked individual was in fact the same man that was
Speaker 1: seen everywhere From New orleans To dallas over a span
Speaker 1: of two. Years as there are no smoking guns in the,
Speaker 1: investigation we have to make do with what we have to.
Speaker 1: Me the preponderance of evidence lays the identification of this
Speaker 1: man right at the feet Of Lawrence. Howard, however as
Speaker 1: everyone involved in the assassination appears to have some kind
Speaker 1: of some kind of body, double there is always a
Speaker 1: chance that the sightings of the heavy, set Pockmark latin
Speaker 1: are actually of more than one. Man Harvey wade described
Speaker 1: the man as having been in his, thirties whereas The
Speaker 1: Slatin sewel described the man as being in his. Forties
Speaker 1: wade said the heavy, set dark complexed man at The
Speaker 1: Carousel club was five to, ten whereas The Slatin sewell
Speaker 1: stated the man was five foot. Eight is this over
Speaker 1: scrutinizing a minor difference in, description or does it actually
Speaker 1: provide a significant clue indicating that there were in fact
Speaker 1: two different. Men witness statements that include these descriptions have
Speaker 1: to be looked at in a broader context and viewed
Speaker 1: along with the totality of circumstances in order to make
Speaker 1: any determination as to their. Accuracy the, circumstances, timing and
Speaker 1: behavior of the three men at The Carousel club make
Speaker 1: it clear to me at the men seen By wade
Speaker 1: Were Hal howard And. Seymour if the man in Bolton
Speaker 1: ford was Not, howard it means that in almost sixty
Speaker 1: years Of kennedy, research there is another man closely associated
Speaker 1: To David ferry And Guy banister that Matches Lawrence howard's basic,
Speaker 1: description yet has never been named or. IDENTIFIED i find
Speaker 1: the likelihood of this to be minimal at, best but
Speaker 1: there is always that. Possibility another incident Involving oswald and
Speaker 1: a dark Complected latin occurred at The Havana bar In
Speaker 1: New orleans In september of nineteen sixty. Three THE hsca
Speaker 1: report one eight zero one oh one two eight one
Speaker 1: zero zero's. Two the McKinney Breathing materials Bartender Everisto rodriguez
Speaker 1: was deposed On july twenty, first nineteen sixty, four for
Speaker 1: The Warren. Commission he described a patron of the bar
Speaker 1: as a man who Resembled, oswald who was accompanied by
Speaker 1: a stocky Built latin man who Spoke. Spanish he described
Speaker 1: this man as having resembled A mexican or that he
Speaker 1: was from Another latin. Country the man was described in
Speaker 1: his late, twenties early and was overly. Hairy he said
Speaker 1: this man ordered tequila While oswald ordered a. Lemonade he
Speaker 1: told The Warren Commission Attorney WESLEY. J leebler that since
Speaker 1: he didn't have, lemonade he asked to ask his boss
Speaker 1: or Asked pana how to make. One it was at
Speaker 1: this time That pana also described the man That rodriguez
Speaker 1: was convinced Was. Oswald rodriguez went on to state that
Speaker 1: he later saw the man he believed Was oswald appearing
Speaker 1: quite drunk with his arm around The latin quote getting.
Speaker 1: Sick rodriguez also Described oswald as wearing a clip on
Speaker 1: bow tie that was hanging off his. Collar does this
Speaker 1: sound like the loner Dissident Lee Harvey Oswald we all,
Speaker 1: know definitely. Not the timing of this incident In september
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three corresponds with the travels Of howard And
Speaker 1: seymour as there made their way back and forth Between Los, Angeles,
Speaker 1: dallas And New orleans And. Miami, again we have an
Speaker 1: incident involving a Husky latin man possibly A mexican scene
Speaker 1: with a man described As oswald or at minimum Resembling.
Speaker 1: Oswald this pair has been seen all over the place
Speaker 1: together and still the only members of the cast of
Speaker 1: characters that match these, descriptions despite the variations in witness,
Speaker 1: testimony Are Lawrence howard And William. Seymour long before the
Speaker 1: incident at The Havana, bar a man Named Jerry buchanan
Speaker 1: alleged that In october of nineteen sixty, two there had
Speaker 1: been a scuffle involving members of The fairplay For Cuba
Speaker 1: committee In. Miami one of the members Of fairplay For
Speaker 1: Cuba committee who had allegedly been observed during the scuffle
Speaker 1: Was Lee Harvey. Oswald Jerry buchanan's, Brother Jim, buchanan was
Speaker 1: a writer for The Pampino Beach Florida Sun sentinel newspaper
Speaker 1: at the. Time i'm in the alleged incident INVOLVING. Fpcc
Speaker 1: Jerry buchanan was a member of The International Anti Communist
Speaker 1: brigade In miami under the direction of a man Named
Speaker 1: Frank fiorini Aka Frank. Sturgis sturgis one of The watergate
Speaker 1: burglars had a long history of service to organizations like THE,
Speaker 1: Cia Army intelligence and even The. Masad you have to take,
Speaker 1: everything the guy says to investigators with more than a
Speaker 1: grain of. Salt sturgis is a liar through and. Through,
Speaker 1: however even the liars can provide good information from time to,
Speaker 1: time usually. Inadvertently sturgis told investigators That Jerry buchanan was
Speaker 1: the head of propaganda for The International Anti Communist brigade
Speaker 1: and that they had a falling out over the kinds
Speaker 1: of propaganda they had been. Publishing he was implying that
Speaker 1: this tale Of oswald In miami was nothing more than
Speaker 1: that propaganda. Quote it was pointed out to Mister fiorini,
Speaker 1: that according To Jerry, Buchanan Leeharvey oswald was one of
Speaker 1: THE fpcc who engaged in a fight In Bayfront, park
Speaker 1: and further That oswald was again In miami as Of
Speaker 1: march of, six distributing Pro castro. Literature according to O'Connor's report,
Speaker 1: quote Mister buchanan said that it was his Understanding oswald
Speaker 1: had engaged in distributing literature In miami across the street
Speaker 1: From Freedom, tower where The Cuban Refugee center is located In.
Speaker 1: Miami it was pointed out to Mister buchanan that he
Speaker 1: had said that he had told Mister John martino Of Miami, Beach,
Speaker 1: florida that his Brother Jerry buchanan had engaged in a
Speaker 1: fight With Lee Harvey oswald At, miami and That martino
Speaker 1: could use that information in lecture engagements inasmuch as it was.
Speaker 1: True Mister buchanan was advised, that according to Mister, martino
Speaker 1: the fight Between Jerry buchanan And oswald occurred When oswald
Speaker 1: attempted to board a boat being used By Jerry buchanan
Speaker 1: And cuban exiles in an anti castro. Operation it was
Speaker 1: also pointed out to Mister buchanan That Nathaniel whale Of Delray, Beach,
Speaker 1: florida had advised he That buchanan had informed him That
Speaker 1: Jerry buchanan had a fight With oswald In miami About
Speaker 1: january of sixty, three When oswald was distributing pro castro.
Speaker 1: Literature so what we have is a series of events In,
Speaker 1: miami whereas it was alleged That oswald had been involved
Speaker 1: with Fair play For cuba activities Between october of nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty two And march of nineteen sixty. Three this is
Speaker 1: long before the official story Places oswald among their. Ranks
Speaker 1: In may of nineteen sixty, three THE fbi chalked this
Speaker 1: off as, fabrication BUT i can't help think there may
Speaker 1: be more to it than. THAT i believe we can
Speaker 1: say with confidence that if these events did, Occur Lee
Speaker 1: Harvey oswald was not the man. Involved if they did,
Speaker 1: occur the times of the alleged incidents would align with
Speaker 1: the times That William seymour was known to have been
Speaker 1: residing in The miami. Area was there an active operation
Speaker 1: happening meant to Establish Lee Harvey oswald as A communist
Speaker 1: In miami at the same time he was living In,
Speaker 1: Dallas or were these just the ramblings of an alleged
Speaker 1: anti communist, propagandist As fiorini told THE. Fbi either, way
Speaker 1: it demonstrates the Name Lee Harvey oswald was being circulated
Speaker 1: in the area by men, who one way or, another
Speaker 1: were connected to the Anti castro movement and the events
Speaker 1: Of november twenty. Second WHEN i began to realize that
Speaker 1: so many of the alleged sightings Of oswald were not Actually,
Speaker 1: oswald and That William seymour was responsible for a large
Speaker 1: number of these. SIGHTINGS i had to go back and
Speaker 1: reevaluate the commonly Known oswald incidents that we all take for.
Speaker 1: Granted one of the more well known incidents that neither
Speaker 1: lone assassin or conspiracy nuts have disputed Involves oswald's actions
Speaker 1: at the Sports Rifle range In. Dallas the official story
Speaker 1: says That oswald went to the rifle range where he
Speaker 1: drew attention to himself when he shot at another person's.
Speaker 1: Target the other person was range patron and assassination Witness Garland.
Speaker 1: Slack slack happened to be a witness To oswald shooting
Speaker 1: at the rifle range and a witness to the assassination,
Speaker 1: itself as he was standing On Houston street When John
Speaker 1: kennedy was. Killed the incident Involving Garland slack And oswald
Speaker 1: shooting at the wrong target is only a portion of
Speaker 1: this incident that has remained in the public. Consciousness the
Speaker 1: real story of the sports drome is far more. Nuanced
Speaker 1: the vast majority of information we can gather from this,
Speaker 1: incident or rather, incidents as you shall soon, see does
Speaker 1: more to disprove the notion That oswald ever visited the
Speaker 1: rifle range than confirm. It researching the witness testimony related
Speaker 1: to the Sports, DROME i realized that many of the
Speaker 1: Alleged oswald's sightings that the range were on different dates
Speaker 1: and at different. Times this meant that there was no
Speaker 1: single incident with numerous. Witnesses there were numerous. Incidents going
Speaker 1: through the statements of those witnesses forced me to remember
Speaker 1: how fallible witness testimony actually. Is oswald was described as
Speaker 1: everything from five to six to five foot, eleven with blonde,
Speaker 1: hair black, hair and everything in. Between despite the variations
Speaker 1: and descriptions provided to law, enforcement the one thing every
Speaker 1: witness could agree on is that it Was Leharvy oswald
Speaker 1: they saw at the Sports. Drone Malcolm price was a
Speaker 1: friend Of virginia And Floyd, davis the owners of the Sports,
Speaker 1: drome and had been kind of hanging around who often
Speaker 1: helped The davis's out with. Customers price was not officially an,
Speaker 1: employee but had nonetheless worked at the range since it
Speaker 1: had opened In september of nineteen sixty. Three according To
Speaker 1: price's testimony to The Warrant, Commission oswald first made an
Speaker 1: appearance at the range On, Saturday september twenty, eighth nineteen sixty.
Speaker 1: Three this is two days After oswald had allegedly crossed
Speaker 1: the border Into mexico and a day after the incident
Speaker 1: At Sylvia odio's. Apartment, quote Mister, Leebler commission has information
Speaker 1: to the effect that sometime During november sixty three you
Speaker 1: saw a gentleman at The Refra range whom you subsequently
Speaker 1: came to believe Was Lee Harvey. Oswald is that? Correct that's.
Speaker 1: Right the first TIME i saw this person was In,
Speaker 1: september the last week of the last day Of, september
Speaker 1: and that was the afternoon they had opened the range
Speaker 1: on the Last saturday Of. September, yes that would Be
Speaker 1: september twenty. Eighth, Yes so it would appear the Mister
Speaker 1: leebler was attempting to steer the witness into A november
Speaker 1: time frame for The oswald siding the later sightings of
Speaker 1: him were in fact In. November, However price Putting oswald
Speaker 1: that the range On september twenty eighth does not jive
Speaker 1: with official story claims That oswald was In Mexico. City
Speaker 1: price Tells leebler That oswald came to the range at
Speaker 1: about dusk on the twenty, eighth just before it. Closed
Speaker 1: he came, alone driving in nineteen forty or forty. One
Speaker 1: he comments that he had since heard That oswald doesn't,
Speaker 1: drive but assured The commission That oswald had certainly driven
Speaker 1: himself there that. Night he Tells leebler That oswald asked
Speaker 1: him if he could cite his, rifle as he had
Speaker 1: just had a scope mounted on. It oswald set up
Speaker 1: a target at one hundred, yards And price fired the
Speaker 1: rifle a dozen or more times while setting the. Scope
Speaker 1: he then handed the rifle back To, oswald who only
Speaker 1: fired three shots before collecting the casings and calling it a. Day,
Speaker 1: hmm interesting. Huh leebler proceeds to Ask price about the
Speaker 1: rifle and when and whether or not he had seen
Speaker 1: the rifle on more than one. Occasion price tells him
Speaker 1: that he did see it, again As oswald had returned
Speaker 1: to the range two more times while he was present
Speaker 1: the dais he gave Her october twelfth and. Thirteenth, however
Speaker 1: information provided By Garland slack indicates that one or both
Speaker 1: of these dates may actually have been In. November slack
Speaker 1: Observed oswald on the Range november, ninth, tenth and. Seventeenth
Speaker 1: Both slack And price recall Seeing oswald on the day
Speaker 1: of The Quote turkey, shoot which was In. November this
Speaker 1: indicates that one of The october dates provided By price is.
Speaker 1: Wrong price goes on to explain that he And oswald
Speaker 1: talked about the scope of the. Rifle oswald had told
Speaker 1: him that it was the clearest scope he'd ever, seen
Speaker 1: and that he'd only paid eighteen dollars for. It he
Speaker 1: then clarified That oswald indicated the eighteen dollars was just
Speaker 1: for the, scope not for the. Rifle oswald told him
Speaker 1: that he had to scope mounted on by a gunsmith
Speaker 1: In Cedar hill and that it was mounted on a
Speaker 1: Red field. Mount when asked about the specifics of the,
Speaker 1: rifle the conversation went like, this Mister, liebler did you
Speaker 1: see the rifle closely that? Day you must have handled
Speaker 1: it in looking through the. Scope, oh, YES i handled.
Speaker 1: It it was A mauser type. Rifle what do you
Speaker 1: mean by? THAT i don't know anything about. Rifles, well
Speaker 1: it's strictly a military rifle and it's patterned after The German.
Speaker 1: Mauser a bolt, action a bolt action and the general
Speaker 1: outline it had about, it possibly a six shot clip
Speaker 1: set just ahead of the, trigger AND i understand it
Speaker 1: was a six point Five, italian but at that TIME
Speaker 1: i didn't. NO i thought it was A mauser because
Speaker 1: as a friend of mine In Graham prairie that has
Speaker 1: An Argentine mauser that was a seven point, six and
Speaker 1: it looked very. Familiar they looked a whole lot. Alike,
Speaker 1: so when describing the, Gun price Tells leebler that he
Speaker 1: believes it was A mauser style, rifle similar to the
Speaker 1: one owned by a. Friend the conversation, CONTINUES i saw
Speaker 1: the serial, number and the gun wasn't blued at the.
Speaker 1: Time it had a bright finish on the. Barrel it
Speaker 1: looked like it had been placed in a lathe and
Speaker 1: turned down as far as, well in an attempt to
Speaker 1: sportalize the. Gun it had been worked on in some
Speaker 1: manner in an attempt to sportalize. IT i thought it
Speaker 1: had how far did the barrel protrude from the, Stock,
Speaker 1: like how far did it stick past the end of the,
Speaker 1: stock possibly six or eight inches at. Most had the
Speaker 1: stock been cut back in this attempt to sportarize the? Rifle,
Speaker 1: well not THAT i could tell it was similar To German,
Speaker 1: mauser and they have you, know they've got the full
Speaker 1: length almost full length stock with a wooden piece on
Speaker 1: the top of. Them and the wooden piece on top
Speaker 1: was still on this, rifle which you did. See, NO
Speaker 1: i don't believe it. Was it had been taken. Off,
Speaker 1: yes it had been taken off as part of the
Speaker 1: attempt to sportize the. Rifle, yes so here it is
Speaker 1: very clear the rifle observed it handled By, price was
Speaker 1: Not Oswald's carcano six point five. Millimeter the difference described
Speaker 1: By price indicates that the upper portion of the wooden
Speaker 1: stock which covers the top of the barrel had been
Speaker 1: removed and the barrel itself had been worked on in a.
Speaker 1: Lathe the barrel was also described By price as having
Speaker 1: been six to eight inches from the tip to the
Speaker 1: beginning of the, stock as compared to three inches on a.
Speaker 1: Carcano the weapon That price is describing is An Argentine
Speaker 1: Mauser model eighteen ninety one sportalized. Edition there is little
Speaker 1: similarity to The carcano other than the bolt action. Mechanism
Speaker 1: leebler Presses price to identify the photos of the carcano
Speaker 1: presented to him as the same weapon he handled When
Speaker 1: oswald was at the. Range despite his, Efforts price does not,
Speaker 1: capitulate but rather says the rifle and the photos look
Speaker 1: similar to the rifle he, saw except for the sling,
Speaker 1: mounts and that the stock and barrel configuration was. Different
Speaker 1: leebler is obviously trying to force a square pag into
Speaker 1: a round. Hole leebler asks about the scope on the
Speaker 1: rifle and whether or Not price can identify the scope
Speaker 1: in the photos as the same one he saw in.
Speaker 1: Person the scope On Oswald's carkano was branded With Ordnance
Speaker 1: optics In, Hollywood, california zero one Zero. Japan, price, however
Speaker 1: insisted that the scope the rifle had was A tuskasca
Speaker 1: brand also manufactured In. Japan, QUOTE i might not be
Speaker 1: right about the brand, name BUT i believe it was
Speaker 1: A tuscasa SINCE i examined. It it was A japanese,
Speaker 1: scope but they made several brands of those. Things it
Speaker 1: could be any one of, them BUT i, believe AS
Speaker 1: i remember, it was A. Tuskaska leebler eventually Shows price
Speaker 1: a series of, photographs presumably Of Lee Harvey. Oswald one
Speaker 1: of the photos must have been Of oswald's booking, photo
Speaker 1: As price commented on the mark On oswald's. Forehead when
Speaker 1: asked point blank if the man in the series of
Speaker 1: photographs was the man he had dealt with the shooting,
Speaker 1: Range price's answer didn't do much to settle the. Question
Speaker 1: as we would, HOPE i will hand you some. Pictures
Speaker 1: this is a. QUOTE i will hand you some pictures
Speaker 1: and see if you can recognize any of the people
Speaker 1: in them as the man you saw at the rifle.
Speaker 1: Range these have been Previously Mark commission exhibit number four
Speaker 1: and four five three through four five. Six, yes this
Speaker 1: is the only one that has any. SIMILARITY i can.
Speaker 1: Recall you're referring to number forty. Five does that look like? Him,
Speaker 1: well these all seem like a photograph of the same,
Speaker 1: Man but this is the only one that has any
Speaker 1: resemblance AS i can. Remember, so out of the four
Speaker 1: or five photographs shown To, price only one of them
Speaker 1: actually resembled the man who spoke with at the rifle.
Speaker 1: Range not exactly the solid ENDORSEMENT i would have liked
Speaker 1: to have put an end to any. Debate price's, testimony
Speaker 1: when looked at in a broad, perspective tells us that
Speaker 1: the man he met with was Not, oswald and that
Speaker 1: the rifle and scope the man brought to the range
Speaker 1: was not the six point five Milimeters. Krkano the man
Speaker 1: drove himself to the range in a nineteen forty Four
Speaker 1: AND i think it's been absolutely clear this Fared oswald
Speaker 1: didn't drive the, rifle and That leebler tried so hard
Speaker 1: to link to the sports drone, incidents That krkano was
Speaker 1: actually An argentine. Mauser none Of price's testimony Puts oswald
Speaker 1: at the, range nor does it place the carcano In oswald's.
Speaker 1: Hands his testimony only reinforced the, man only re enforced
Speaker 1: the idea that there was a man In dallas who
Speaker 1: was often mistaken For. Oswald the next witness to provide
Speaker 1: meaningful information About oswald's appearance at the Sports drone Was Garland.
Speaker 1: Slack slack had been a long time friend of the,
Speaker 1: Owner Floyd, davison was a regular customer at the. Range
Speaker 1: he distinctly recalled That oswald had been at the range
Speaker 1: On november nineteenth and seventeenth of nineteen sixty. Three the
Speaker 1: tenth was also the night That Harvey wade Observed oswald
Speaker 1: at the carousel. Club it was the seventeenth that he
Speaker 1: recalled the incident Of oswald firing at his. Target slack
Speaker 1: was in the adjacent lane and saw that before he
Speaker 1: even had a chance to, shoot his target had already been.
Speaker 1: Hit he then Saw oswald firing in a rapid, pattern
Speaker 1: three or four, shots then take, aim then three or
Speaker 1: four more. Shots according To, slack there were about seven
Speaker 1: or eight boys firing on the range that, day and
Speaker 1: he made a broad announcement to all of them to
Speaker 1: keep their rifles pointed at their own. Targets he never
Speaker 1: Confronted oswald directly about. It slack goes on to make
Speaker 1: some interesting statements about the scope Of oswald's. Rifle we've
Speaker 1: already covered the testimony Of Malcolm, price who stated that
Speaker 1: he set the scope On oswald's rifle on the first
Speaker 1: date the range was, Opened september twenty. Eighth, slack, however
Speaker 1: testified in deposition that he had known the boy who
Speaker 1: had set the, scope and that it was done On
Speaker 1: wednesday between the tenth and seventeenth Of. November he couldn't
Speaker 1: remember the boy's, name but he surely wasn't referring To Malcolm.
Speaker 1: Price the forty something semi retired. Man what is to
Speaker 1: be made of this? Discrepancy could the person mistaken For
Speaker 1: oswald have had two rifles scoped for him at the sports?
Speaker 1: Drone leebler Asked slack about the rifle's. Appearance did you
Speaker 1: have a chance to see the rifle at? HAND i
Speaker 1: absolutely saw the. Rifle what kind of rifle was? It
Speaker 1: it was An italian type, Rifle but it never showed
Speaker 1: up in the newspapers a picture of that. Rifle in other,
Speaker 1: words if the first picture that came out of the
Speaker 1: officer holding the rifle that was on the floor of
Speaker 1: the book, depository if that was the, GUN i had
Speaker 1: never seen that gun. Before AND i know rifles AND
Speaker 1: i know. Scopes so now we hear we. Have now
Speaker 1: we're zero for. Two in an identification of the rifle
Speaker 1: by range, Witnesses slack Tells leebler he wouldn't shoot a
Speaker 1: toad frog with one of them because he knew they
Speaker 1: were just jump slacklyn indicates That oswald was not there.
Speaker 1: Alone he Tells leebler that When oswald, arrived someone had
Speaker 1: Handed oswald his rifle over the, fence that he did
Speaker 1: not walk it through the main. Entrance he Tells leebeler
Speaker 1: about another boy he believed was With oswald that was
Speaker 1: well over six foot, tall very heavy, set had enormous.
Speaker 1: Feet he said this man had a full. Beard this
Speaker 1: is where the dissecting of events at the sports drone becomes.
Speaker 1: Fuzzy the six foot tall man Who slack believed was
Speaker 1: was With oswald on that occasion is a matter of much.
Speaker 1: Confusion the man was identified As Michael Bentley, murph a
Speaker 1: resident Of. DALLAS i Located murph's nineteen fifty five high
Speaker 1: school yearbook and photo at archive dot, org So murph
Speaker 1: was definitely. Real it was not an. Alias THE fbi
Speaker 1: located him after his license plate was traced to a
Speaker 1: red and White chevy And palla registered to. Him he
Speaker 1: told THE fbi he had gone to the range alone
Speaker 1: and then he didn't really speak to anyone else while
Speaker 1: he was. There he also did not know or See
Speaker 1: Leeharvey oswald while he was. There his story is, plausible
Speaker 1: and his name appears nowhere else in the fascination. RECORD
Speaker 1: i tend to believe. Him this is where the identification
Speaker 1: of the, tall heavy set man believed By slack gets.
Speaker 1: INTERESTING murfh truly looks as though he was just in
Speaker 1: the wrong place at the wrong. Time he fired from
Speaker 1: lane eight While oswald was on lane. Seven On november.
Speaker 1: Seventeenth slack may have seen this and believed they were.
Speaker 1: Together murf was traced by the license plate on his
Speaker 1: redd and White, impala which he had left the range
Speaker 1: in that. Day even Though slack believed these men were,
Speaker 1: together he later described later described That oswald had left
Speaker 1: with a big man in an older model colored an
Speaker 1: older dark Colored. Sedan the Person oswald allegedly left with
Speaker 1: could not have Been murf because m left in a
Speaker 1: red and White. Impala the implication here is That oswald
Speaker 1: was there with another, person it was just not the
Speaker 1: Person slack believed him to. Be slack has asked About oswald's,
Speaker 1: description and Like Malcolm, price he has shown several. Photographs
Speaker 1: this is what was. Said is this the guy you?
Speaker 1: Saw does anyone in those pictures look like? Him those
Speaker 1: heavy eyebrows and that part in the. Hair but apparently
Speaker 1: he had more, hair maybe he got a haircut? Afterwards
Speaker 1: who had more? Hair the fellow the, picture the MAN
Speaker 1: i saw in this picture right, here the man you
Speaker 1: saw had more, Hair, yes he sure. Did do you
Speaker 1: think any of these pictures are of the man you
Speaker 1: saw the rifle that, day the difference in position he
Speaker 1: was in everything that looked like. Him but he wasn't
Speaker 1: that sleepy. Eyed he was a cocky. Guy slack eventually
Speaker 1: identifies one of the photos to, him Shown Marcus piso
Speaker 1: four or five three DASH. C he then talks about
Speaker 1: how this one photo is exactly how he looked in
Speaker 1: person when he saw him on television just before he was,
Speaker 1: shot but that none of the other photographs resemble this.
Speaker 1: Man slack also said That oswald and his large companion
Speaker 1: had brought three rifles with them that. Day lucille remembers
Speaker 1: the boy handing the guns over the, fence and they
Speaker 1: were throwing the guns in the back of the old
Speaker 1: model car and taking off like they. Did AND i
Speaker 1: recognized that because a gun a good, gun you're not
Speaker 1: supposed to they just threw these old guns in that,
Speaker 1: car or they took two of. Them of, course one
Speaker 1: was wrapped in a, blanket a dirty looking old gray
Speaker 1: blanket that had a red. TRIM i remember the Sportalized
Speaker 1: italian gun was tied up and he handed it over
Speaker 1: the fence, nicely and he had a gray and gray
Speaker 1: and red maroon looked slick as, satin AND i remember
Speaker 1: it as. Well what a gun? Case you see everything
Speaker 1: at a shooting, place some bring a rifle in a
Speaker 1: tot sack and for a gun. Case slack also tells
Speaker 1: investigators that the man who Drove oswald to the rifle
Speaker 1: range was Named. Fraser how he came to know this
Speaker 1: is never clarified in the. DOCUMENTS i do not believe
Speaker 1: that this coming to know this name was by chance.
Speaker 1: EITHER i do not believe That Buell, Fraser oswald's associated
Speaker 1: The Book, depository ever drove anyone to the rifle. RANGE
Speaker 1: i do believe that his name was dropped as part
Speaker 1: of a scheme to Set fraser up as a second
Speaker 1: patsy as, needed if. NEEDED i will cover this in
Speaker 1: much more detail later. ON i only make mention of
Speaker 1: it to be clear THAT i do not believe for
Speaker 1: a second That fraser was the man who was With
Speaker 1: oswald at the rifle. Range as it, STANDS i have
Speaker 1: only one suspect who could have been mistaken For oswald
Speaker 1: and was accompanied by a large huh ky man with
Speaker 1: a long hair and, Beard William. Seymour in my quest
Speaker 1: to find any corroboration For seymour having posed As oswald
Speaker 1: at The Sports. DROME i come across A february twenty,
Speaker 1: eighth nineteen seventy four article by a man Named Richard.
Speaker 1: Rasnikoff the, article titled From dallas To watergate covers the
Speaker 1: main players in The watergate affair and highlights the fact
Speaker 1: that many of the names involved In watergate seemed to
Speaker 1: cross paths with many of the names In Kennedy. Assassination
Speaker 1: when it came to the Anti Castro cuban movement In,
Speaker 1: miami particularly involving the men working out Of No Name.
Speaker 1: Key the article Mentions William seymour as one of these.
Speaker 1: Men also At No Name key Was William, seymour who
Speaker 1: was later to Impersonate oswald In dallas at a rifle
Speaker 1: range called The Sports, drone a gun shop in a
Speaker 1: new car. Agency at each of these places he was
Speaker 1: to give his name As Lee Harvey, oswald although in
Speaker 1: each instance it was manifestly impossible that he could have Been.
Speaker 1: Oswald what are we to make of? This who? Knows
Speaker 1: the article does nothing in as far as corroborating the,
Speaker 1: information we could really hold it to no factual. Account
Speaker 1: the statement holds no evidentiary, value but that does not
Speaker 1: mean and holds no. Value reading this statement From rasnikov
Speaker 1: in his nineteen seventy four article reassured me in as
Speaker 1: far AS i was not, alone nor WAS i crazy
Speaker 1: for believing that it Was seymour making the rounds As
Speaker 1: oswald in all of the same. Places rasnikov mentions That
Speaker 1: seymour was to give the Name Lee oswald at a gun.
Speaker 1: Shop this brings us to the story of Dial writer
Speaker 1: and The Irving Sports. Shop oswald allegedly had worked done
Speaker 1: on the rifle at a gun. Shop how complicated could
Speaker 1: this part of the story. Get little DID i know
Speaker 1: that this one small incident would turn out to be
Speaker 1: just as insane as everything ELSE i had come across thus.
Speaker 1: Far in, short dial writer and employee of The Irving
Speaker 1: Sports shop finds a work ticket for, drilling tapping and
Speaker 1: bore siding with the Name oswald on. It the ticket
Speaker 1: seemed to appear out of, nowhere found lodge between his
Speaker 1: desk and the. Wall The saturday evening following the, assassination
Speaker 1: he testified before The Warrant commission that he could not
Speaker 1: Identify Lee Harvey Osie walds having been a customer in the.
Speaker 1: Store he also stated To Attorney Wesley leebler that even
Speaker 1: though he recognized the handwriting on the ticket as his,
Speaker 1: own he had no recollection of having drawn up that.
Speaker 1: Ticket he was shown a picture of the rifle that
Speaker 1: was located in the book depository and asked if he
Speaker 1: had worked on said rifle and whether or not he
Speaker 1: had attached the scope to. It rider explained that he
Speaker 1: personally had never worked on An italian model such as
Speaker 1: the one in the, photos and then he cannot connect
Speaker 1: the tag To oswald's. Rifle he confidently Told leebler that
Speaker 1: he did not believe anyone at The Irving Sports shop
Speaker 1: had worked on the rifle he was being shown photos
Speaker 1: of because of how the scope was mounted to the.
Speaker 1: Rifle he stated that when they drill holes in the
Speaker 1: rifle to attach them scope mount they typically use the same,
Speaker 1: mounts which require three holes be. Drilled when he saw
Speaker 1: photos of The carcano rifle in, custody he stated his
Speaker 1: shop never used the cheap mount that was attached to
Speaker 1: rifle To oswald's. Rifle he said That oswald's rifle also
Speaker 1: had a mount, attached only utilized two bolts and that
Speaker 1: the mount using two holes would not have been done
Speaker 1: At Irving Sports. Shop to further confirm, This rider Tells
Speaker 1: leebler that he had been in contact with a female
Speaker 1: reporter from The Washington, press although we could not recall her.
Speaker 1: Name after their initial, conversation this reporter Contacted Kline's Sporting,
Speaker 1: goods the store The karkano was allegedly purchased. From according To,
Speaker 1: writer this report informed him that the rifle ship From
Speaker 1: klins was pre drilled and came with the, mount meaning
Speaker 1: it just needed to be screwed. In that means that
Speaker 1: there was no need to bring the rifle in for.
Speaker 1: Drilling being That writer could not recall ever Seeing oswald
Speaker 1: in the store and he had never seen the or
Speaker 1: worked on The italian rifle in, question one has to
Speaker 1: wonder why the work tag appeared in the first. Place
Speaker 1: the incident at The Irving Sports shop is ultimately a dead.
Speaker 1: End Did seymour drop off the rifles prior to The
Speaker 1: Sports drone rifle range for service In. Irving it's, possible
Speaker 1: but in the end it's. Irrelevant what we know is
Speaker 1: that the rifle appearing in the photos shown To writer
Speaker 1: allegedly the carcano was not worked on by anyone at
Speaker 1: the sports, shop and the tag with the Name oswald
Speaker 1: could not be connected to any person or any own.
Speaker 1: Rifle writer had told investigators that the store had called
Speaker 1: all of The oswald's in the phone, book but were
Speaker 1: unable to connect any of them to the work. Order
Speaker 1: the overall circumstances of the incident tells me that this
Speaker 1: was going to be part of the false trail Connecting
Speaker 1: oswald to the. Rifle, however it seems to have failed
Speaker 1: in its purpose as this story and gets little attention
Speaker 1: and is not often referenced in the official story. Narratives
Speaker 1: the third incident mentioned In Richard rasnikov's article that was
Speaker 1: attributed To William seymour Involved oswald's appearance at a car
Speaker 1: dealership In. Dallas EUGENE. M, wilson employee of the Downtown
Speaker 1: Lincoln Mercury Auto, dealership insisted to investigators That Lee Harvey
Speaker 1: oswald had test driven A Red Comet Caliente. No november,
Speaker 1: second nineteen sixty. Three The Warren commission completely Disregarded wilson's
Speaker 1: account of this, incident based on the known facts incident
Speaker 1: that Indicate oswald didn't drive of, course The Warren commission
Speaker 1: had to disavow this incident because it would contradict the
Speaker 1: official story. Narrative they also couldn't admit That oswald was being,
Speaker 1: impersonated just like The Silvia odio, incident so instead of
Speaker 1: acknowledging that these events actually, happened it was easier for
Speaker 1: them to claim witnesses involved must have been. MISTAKEN i
Speaker 1: wonder if there are any other cases in world in
Speaker 1: the world that have hundreds of mistaken, witnesses or if
Speaker 1: this is just unique to The kennedy. Assassination Salesman Albert
Speaker 1: bogard is the man who Accompanied oswald on his high
Speaker 1: speed test drive on the streets Of. Dallas bogard claims
Speaker 1: That oswald definitely knew how to, drive and that he
Speaker 1: reached speeds of up to eighty five miles per hour
Speaker 1: on the. Highway bogart stated That oswald couldn't afford vehicles
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars down payment and instead told him that
Speaker 1: he would return in two to three weeks with the
Speaker 1: full cash car for the, value which was thirty five.
Speaker 1: Hundred could the man that buggered And wilson dealt with
Speaker 1: On november tewod have Been William. Seymour, absolutely it was
Speaker 1: definitely Not, oswald AS i am a stark believer That
Speaker 1: oswald we know did not. Drive what purpose could this
Speaker 1: incident have. SERVED i think it's pretty obvious that the
Speaker 1: incident was meant to establish witnesses to the fact That
Speaker 1: oswald was supposed to have received some large payout around
Speaker 1: the time of the. Assassination this incident seems to have
Speaker 1: served its, purpose with the exception being That oswald was
Speaker 1: not a vehicular. Operator this is WHAT i believe was
Speaker 1: just sloppy work on behalf of the conspirators while laying
Speaker 1: this false trail From oswald to the. Assassination before we move,
Speaker 1: on there was one last incident Connecting, Hall, howard And
Speaker 1: seymour to the assassination that must be. Addressed this involves
Speaker 1: the delivery of a package From New orleans To Lawrence
Speaker 1: howard at The executive in In dallas by a man whose
Speaker 1: name is peppered throughout the assassination, Literature Thomas. Beckham beckham
Speaker 1: is another low LEVEL cia contract agent, who by his own,
Speaker 1: admission worked with THE. Cia worked with the organization from
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty nine util nineteen sixty. Three what he called
Speaker 1: the organization was actually a SMALL cia group of contractors
Speaker 1: organized by a man Named Fred Lee. Chrisman chrisman was
Speaker 1: most likely an actual employee of THE, cia not a contract,
Speaker 1: agent seeing as how his service went all the way
Speaker 1: back To World WAR. Ii in THE, oss he called
Speaker 1: the group of many recruited and handled the, organization even
Speaker 1: though it was just his organization of. Recruits he has
Speaker 1: his Own wikipedia page which is which hilariously leaves out
Speaker 1: his connections To Clay shaw and other players in the assassination's.
Speaker 1: Story his page reads as follows. Quote in nineteen forty,
Speaker 1: Six chrismin claimed to have battled with non humans in
Speaker 1: caves during The Second World. War the following, year he
Speaker 1: attempted to convince too early flying saucer witnesses that lava
Speaker 1: rocks were in fact debris dropped from a flying. Saucer
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty, Eight chrisman was subpoenaed by A New
Speaker 1: orleans grand jury in the prosecution of a man for
Speaker 1: the assassination Of President John, kennedy a prosecution that would
Speaker 1: later be dramatized in the nineteen ninety One Oliver stone FILM.
Speaker 1: Jfk chrisman functioned like any good handler, does he stayed
Speaker 1: in the. Shadows he provided instruction in funds To beckham
Speaker 1: and others prior to and after the. Assassination he Helped
Speaker 1: beckham evade authorities After kennedy was, killed and again Once
Speaker 1: garrison began his. Investigation chrisman was certainly a key figure
Speaker 1: in managing some of the personnel involved in the. Assassination,
Speaker 1: beckham like every other witness who worked with THE, cia
Speaker 1: is a. Liar it is hard to tell which statements
Speaker 1: he made are, truthful, exaggerations or outright. False in his
Speaker 1: earliest testimony before the grand jury In shake in the
Speaker 1: Clay shaw, trial he stated that he had never Known
Speaker 1: Lee Harvey. Oswald when he testified before THE, hsca he
Speaker 1: claimed that he did Know oswald very well and that
Speaker 1: they had been good. Friends the truth is probably somewhere
Speaker 1: in the. Middle his relationship With oswald is largely irrelevant to.
Speaker 1: Me whether or not he was friends With oswald plays
Speaker 1: no part in the aspect of his involvement in the
Speaker 1: assassination THAT i care. About WHAT i do care about
Speaker 1: is the package he delivered To Lawrence howard at The
Speaker 1: Executive inn In dallas a few weeks before the. Assassination
Speaker 1: when it comes to witness statements and judging their, VERACITY
Speaker 1: i look for, corroboration which is often a hard thing
Speaker 1: to come, by or a logical placement in the storyline
Speaker 1: THAT i have been. Assembling beckham's testimony before THE hsca
Speaker 1: falls into the. LATTER i know with certainty That Lawrence
Speaker 1: howard was one of the gunmen on the sixth floor
Speaker 1: of the book. DEPOSITORY i will cover that evidence later.
Speaker 1: On knowing That howard was a, Shooter beckham's testimony indicating
Speaker 1: that he delivered a package to him prior to the,
Speaker 1: assassination fell completely in line with my overall thesis of the.
Speaker 1: Crime beckham was deposed by THE hsca In, Jackson, mississippi
Speaker 1: On october, ninth nineteen seventy, seven BY. L. J. Delsa
Speaker 1: beckham was offered tentative immunity for his. Testimony he didn't
Speaker 1: tell them the whole story in order to implicate himself
Speaker 1: in anything over the, egregious but nonetheless he lied to
Speaker 1: them via. Omission beckham was certainly involved in the assassination
Speaker 1: planning and, execution as he was photographed In dallas On
Speaker 1: november twenty second at Love, field walking a few feet
Speaker 1: From kennedy's limo as it drove from the plane to the.
Speaker 1: Street he never mentioned this to. Investigators he told the
Speaker 1: story that began with a meeting In, Algier's. Louisiana according To,
Speaker 1: beckham he attended a meeting With Sergeia Arcachia, smith G Ray,
Speaker 1: Gill Vincent, Marcello Charlie, Morello Roswell, thompson and a woman
Speaker 1: whose name Was anna Possibly. Burglass also president were several unnamed.
Speaker 1: Cubans beckham claimed that this, meeting discussions of the assassination
Speaker 1: of the president were. Conducted he also attended meetings at
Speaker 1: The town And Country, motel, which based on his, Tone
Speaker 1: beckham was unaware that The town And country was owned
Speaker 1: By Carlos. Marcello after these meetings took, place he was
Speaker 1: instructed By David ferry to visit the office of G Ray.
Speaker 1: Gill upon, Arrival gill provided him with several photographs and,
Speaker 1: documents including sketches made of buildings and a, street presumably
Speaker 1: in the area Of Daly. Plaza he was also given
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars for. Payment beckham Identified Roswell, Thompson Jack
Speaker 1: martin Clay, shaw Mister, marcello And David ferry as having
Speaker 1: been present at this meeting In gill's. Office were all
Speaker 1: of these men really? Present don't, know don't. Care gil
Speaker 1: was the connection To marcello and thus all of the
Speaker 1: other players in the, assassination so whether or not they
Speaker 1: were president this meeting is not overly. Relevant beckham was
Speaker 1: flown To, dallas where he then was told to meet
Speaker 1: with a quote Mister. Howard Lawrence howard was the Only
Speaker 1: howard relevant in the assassination's, story so we can rule
Speaker 1: out it having been anyone. Else according To, beckham he
Speaker 1: got into a car With Lawrence howard and he handed
Speaker 1: him materials. Provided he stated That howard got, mad indicating
Speaker 1: that he expected a lot more than the few documents
Speaker 1: he was. Given is this can't be? All this can't
Speaker 1: be all it? Is howard inquired Of. Beckham beckham assured
Speaker 1: him it. Was beckham described the photographs as being of
Speaker 1: buildings and. Cars he described With howard a few blocks
Speaker 1: Before howard pulled over, again double check the materials like?
Speaker 1: Hell howard, proclaimed that's all they gave, Me beckham. Replied
Speaker 1: beckham described the maps that were included as being hand drawn.
Speaker 1: Diagrams beckham stated that after meeting With, howard he returned
Speaker 1: To New orleans and Reported howard's concerns to Both gil And,
Speaker 1: thompson who told him they would handle. It beckham's testimony
Speaker 1: then drifted to his relationship With chrisman and How chrisman
Speaker 1: helped him to move, around always one step ahead of
Speaker 1: investigators who were looking to interview him or serve him.
Speaker 1: Papers beckham's tale of meeting With HOWARD i find to be.
Speaker 1: Credible he had been hiding the truth of his involvement
Speaker 1: in the assassination for almost fifteen, years and having been offered,
Speaker 1: IMMUNITY i believe it was a burden he no longer
Speaker 1: wished to. Carry all of the. Assassination debunkers who Think
Speaker 1: oswell acted alone like to say that someone would have
Speaker 1: talked if they had knowledge of the. Assassination Thomas beckham
Speaker 1: is a perfect example of how even when people do,
Speaker 1: talk no one seems to listen or believe. Them and,
Speaker 1: so ladies and, gentlemen that's gonna wrap it up for
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