WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:04.000 Good morning. I know I said I wasn't gonna do 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:06.320 a show today, but I'm kind of an addict, so 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:09.599 I kind of have to be here. So yeah, today 4 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:12.800 we're gonna go over some good stuff. Today we're gonna 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:14.679 do is We are going to cover another chapter from 6 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:18.920 my book. 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So, without further ado, let me begin. 16 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:03.920 Three of the more central characters in the assassination are 17 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:05.719 also the three who attract the least amount of attention. 18 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.560 The names of William Seymour, Lawren Hall, and Lawrence Howard 19 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.840 are scattered throughout the Assassination literature. However, their importance in 20 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:14.239 the events leading up to and including November twenty second, 21 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.519 nineteen sixty three, has largely been overlooked. When people discuss 22 00:01:18.599 --> 00:01:21.200 this nefarious trio, it is usually in regards to their 23 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:25.519 involvement with inter PENN or the Intercontinental Penetration Force. INTERPENN 24 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:27.599 was the creation of a man named Jerry Hemming, but 25 00:01:27.680 --> 00:01:30.239 it was supported and finance by the CIA. They were 26 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:33.200 responsible for the organization of training camps for the anti 27 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.239 Castro Cuban exiles and other mercenaries for the purpose of 28 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:38.799 carrying out raids in Cuba. The camp on the north 29 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:41.879 side of Lake Pontetrain, often associated with David Ferry's anti 30 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:45.400 Castro activities, was set up and run by Hemming's INTERPENN group. 31 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:50.640 According to Spartacus Educational INTERPENN was involved in training members 32 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:53.439 of the anti Castro groups funded by the Central Intelligence 33 00:01:53.480 --> 00:01:56.680 Agency in Florida in the early nineteen sixties. When the 34 00:01:56.680 --> 00:01:59.079 government began to crack down on raids from Florida. In 35 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.879 nineteen sixty two, INTERPEND set up a new training camp 36 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:05.239 in New Orleans. During this period, Heming was arrested by 37 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.240 customs for gun running, but the charges were later dismissed. 38 00:02:09.879 --> 00:02:13.000 INTERPENN was a nexus of CIA agents, private contractors, and 39 00:02:13.039 --> 00:02:16.560 anti Castro Cubans. Some of the names associated with interpenner 40 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:21.159 Roy Hargraves, Dick Wattley, Ronald Augustinovich, Edmund Kolby, Ralph Schlafter, 41 00:02:21.599 --> 00:02:25.960 and Edwin Collins. Lauren Hall, Lawrence Howard, and William Seymour, however, 42 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:28.599 were the most significant and impactful members of this group, 43 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:32.960 as it pertains to the assassination of JFK. Lauren. Hall 44 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:36.680 was your typical gung ho right wing anti communist mercenary type. 45 00:02:36.879 --> 00:02:38.800 He started at five foot eleven inches tall, weigh around 46 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:41.719 two hundred pounds with jet black hair. He often claimed 47 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.280 to be a Cuban, using the name of Lorenzo Pacio, 48 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:46.919 but in reality he was born in Newton, Kansas in 49 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:50.639 nineteen thirty. Hall had joined the Marines in mid nineteen fifties. 50 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.080 By nineteen fifty nine, he was a captain in Castro's 51 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:56.319 Revolutionary Army. Hall had become involved in a plot to 52 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:01.120 overthrow Anastasio Samosa debail the Nicaraguin Dick Tator. However, he 53 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:03.479 and others were caught and arrested by the Cuban government. 54 00:03:04.039 --> 00:03:08.080 Hall served six months in a Cuban jail cell quote. 55 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:11.479 Also in prison at this time was Santos Traficante Junior. 56 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:15.199 On July eighth, nineteen fifty nine, Castro deported three Americans, 57 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:19.120 Trafficante Hall and Henry Savadra, a former employee of the 58 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:22.560 Capri Hotel in Havana, which was reportedly run by a 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:27.520 syndicate including Trafficante and Charlie the Blade Touring. In nineteen 60 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:29.520 sixty one, Hall moved to California, where he set up 61 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:32.719 his personal base of operations for his anti Castro activities. However, 62 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:34.759 in sixty two to sixty three he was associated with 63 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:37.400 elements of the No Name Key group of CIA agents 64 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:41.479 and anti Castro guerrillas in southern Florida. It is known 65 00:03:41.479 --> 00:03:43.759 that Trafficante made contacts with some of the No Name 66 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.599 Key Group members and may have funded some of its operations. 67 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.439 Hall often attempted to solicit money under the guise of 68 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:52.800 the Cuban Rebel Army. However, others who ran in the 69 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.319 same circles as Hall believed this was a scheme to 70 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.080 pocket the cash. Hall had traveled the country in the 71 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.000 early nineteen sixties giving speeches to theirus right wing groups, 72 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:04.280 including the John Birch Society and the minutemen he often 73 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:08.719 traveled with quote Mexican Larry Howard, Jerry Hemming, and William Seymour. 74 00:04:08.719 --> 00:04:12.319 According to an FBI informant within Enter Penn, despite his 75 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.520 numerous attempts at creating an alibi for November twenty second, 76 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:19.079 nineteen sixty three, Hall was most certainly in Dallas. Hall 77 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:22.120 is inextricably linked to the assassination, where I place him 78 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:24.480 on the sixth floor of the Texas school Book Depository, 79 00:04:24.519 --> 00:04:27.439 firing shots from the west side window. His weapon of 80 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.800 choice a Johnson thirty O six rifle, which he had 81 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:35.639 picked up from a man named Richard Hathcock in Los Angeles. Quote. 82 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:39.279 Other documents released by the ARB discussA Johnson's semi automatic 83 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.800 thirty out six rifle that was apparently found in Daley 84 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:45.480 Plaza soon after the shooting. The documents strongly linked this 85 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:47.519 rifle to two men who have long been suspected of 86 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:50.439 being involved in the assassination plot, Lauren Hall and Jerry 87 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:54.319 Patrick Hemming. Lauren Hall and an unidentified Hispanic man took 88 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:58.040 the weapon about a week before the assassination. Hall himself 89 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.040 told Hathcock, the California owner of the rifle, five days 90 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:02.920 prior to the assassination that he had to catch a 91 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:07.000 flight to Dallas. In the months leading up to the assassination, 92 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:08.920 Lauren Hall and Jerry Hemming, who had been using the 93 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:11.680 name Jerry Patrick, met with Hathcock at the offices of 94 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:15.439 his private detective business in Los Angeles, Allied International Detectives. 95 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.319 He had become associated with these men through the relationship 96 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:20.439 with Dick Wattley, who had introduced the pair to Hathcock. 97 00:05:21.240 --> 00:05:23.839 Hathcock told investigators that he had loaned the men one 98 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.439 hundred dollars in exchange for a set of golf clubs 99 00:05:26.639 --> 00:05:29.519 and a Johnson thirty six rifle with a Bushnell scope. 100 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.639 An FBI memo written by S. A. Jerome K. Crowe, 101 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:40.000 detailing a conversation with Hathcock about Hall and Hemming, was 102 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:43.879 dated November twenty third, nineteen sixty three, the day after 103 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:47.879 the assassination. The implication of this date is that the 104 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:51.519 FBI knew about this rifle immediately after Kennedy was killed, 105 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.439 whether through fingerprints or by tracing the serial number, or 106 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:57.600 an act of psychic phenomenon. The FBI was able to 107 00:05:57.639 --> 00:06:00.000 obtain the full backstory to the rifle less than twenty five, 108 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:03.199 four hours after the president had been shot. The statements 109 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.399 made by Hathcock indicated that Hall had picked up the 110 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:10.040 rifle from him on September seventeenth or eighteenth, nineteen sixty three, 111 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:13.160 and that five days before Kennedy was killed, Hall had 112 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.040 told him he was on his way to Dallas. Halfcock 113 00:06:16.079 --> 00:06:19.199 told authorities quote they wanted to borrow the one hundred dollars, 114 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:21.079 and what they had for security was a set of 115 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.079 golf clubs and a rifle which was a thirty caliber 116 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:26.600 Johnson modified to semi automatic operation, which I believed held 117 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:30.399 nine rounds and was also equipped with a Bushnell variable scope. 118 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.120 I gave them one hundred dollars and they left the 119 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.639 clubs in the rifle. For several weeks after that, I 120 00:06:34.680 --> 00:06:37.800 saw both men frequently. Then. My understanding was that Jerry 121 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:40.720 Patrick returned to Miami to set things in operation down 122 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:44.519 there for a planned invasion of Cuba. What they had planned, 123 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:46.879 essentially was to blow up some oil storage tanks on 124 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.199 the west coast. Lorenzo Hall stayed there and was in 125 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:53.879 the Private Eye office very often, almost every day. He 126 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:55.800 told me that he and Patrick had originally been in 127 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:58.000 Castro's army when They believed that he was trying to 128 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:01.079 free Cuba from Batista, found out as a communist, had 129 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:03.160 no interest in the people, and they turned on Castro, 130 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.639 with the result that they were both imprisoned and sentenced 131 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:09.399 to be shot. Both through manipulations and through friends, managed 132 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.360 to escape and get to this country. Hall and Heming 133 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.439 were a real deal. Both were contract agents for the CIA, 134 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.920 involved heavily with the anti Castro Cuban movement and the 135 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.040 various organizations that surrounded them at the time. After the 136 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:25.480 Bay of Pigs incident, it seems as though many of 137 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:28.759 these militia types were lost. They were angry at both 138 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.680 Kennedy and the CIA. Many of them found their way 139 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:34.639 to New Orleans, Dallas, Los Angeles, and other cities that 140 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.040 had a heavy intelligence influence where they could find work. 141 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:42.439 Although many researchers put Hemming in Dallas on November twenty second, 142 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.199 the evidence of his involvement in the assassination is minimal 143 00:07:45.279 --> 00:07:48.199 at best. Heming claims that he was in Miami that 144 00:07:48.279 --> 00:07:51.040 the time Kennedy was killed. Other than a photograph of 145 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:54.000 a man slightly resembling Hemming standing in Dealey Plaza wearing 146 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.920 a great business suit and one potential witness, I haven't 147 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.360 seen anything concrete that would make me feel comfortable naming 148 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.639 Hemming as one of the plotters. The potential witness to 149 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:06.040 Hemming's presence was a man named Philip Ben Hathaway. He 150 00:08:06.079 --> 00:08:08.680 and a man named John Stephens Rutterer Lawrence were walking 151 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:11.480 near Main and ackerd in downtown Dallas just prior to 152 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:13.519 the assassination when they saw a man carrying what they 153 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.519 believed to have been a rifle case quote. I saw 154 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:19.160 this man walking towards me, walking towards commerce, and took 155 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.560 particular attention to him because of his size. I am 156 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:24.399 six' five and weigh two hundred. Pounds this man was very, 157 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:27.360 tall approximately six six or sixty seven over two hundred 158 00:08:27.360 --> 00:08:30.000 and fifty, pounds very thick and big throughout the, chest 159 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.399 in his, thirties dirty blonde hair worn a crew, cut 160 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.000 was wearing a great colored business suit with white dress, 161 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.720 shirt fair. COMPLEXION i remarked to my friend that there 162 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:39.720 was a guy carrying a gun in all this, crowd 163 00:08:39.720 --> 00:08:41.480 and made the remark that he was probably a secret. 164 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:46.840 Serviceman other than this description By, hathaway which Matches hemming 165 00:08:46.879 --> 00:08:49.600 to a, t and a photo of a similarly gray 166 00:08:49.600 --> 00:08:52.799 suited man In Dley, plaza which does Resemble. HEMMING i 167 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.799 have little else linking him to the. Plot heming may 168 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.399 very well have been, involved but my research Into heming 169 00:08:58.480 --> 00:09:00.600 and the assassination's story AS i know know it have 170 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:03.840 yet to intersect in any meaningful. WAY i have yet 171 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:06.320 to be able to Place heming concretely In dallas at the. 172 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.759 Time there is no doubt he fit the. Mold he 173 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.679 was certainly of the same beliefs and attitudes of the 174 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.559 men involved in the, assassination but without corroboration or plausible 175 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.919 storyline involving, Him heming may have been just right where 176 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:19.960 he said he. Was, hall on the other, hand was 177 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:23.000 most certainly. Guilty, he like many other of the men 178 00:09:23.120 --> 00:09:26.440 questioned about the, assassination provided over the top, explanations going 179 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:28.799 above and beyond what was needed to say in order 180 00:09:28.840 --> 00:09:32.480 to defend. Himself he had even testified with immunity before 181 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.000 The House subcommittee On assassinations in the nineteen. Seventies hall 182 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.759 tried very hard to establish an alibi For november twenty, 183 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.399 second nineteen sixty, three claiming he was In Los. Angeles 184 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.120 he testified that his wife had seen him on that, 185 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.799 date which has never been. Corroborated he also claimed he 186 00:09:47.840 --> 00:09:51.159 had been at a business CALLED Ipco Hospital supply from 187 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.679 noon until around three thirty pm with a man Named Robert. 188 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:57.840 Hudson ipco actually Employed. Hall beginning a few weeks after the. 189 00:09:57.879 --> 00:10:01.519 Assassination hudson had provided statement to, investigators Giving hall a 190 00:10:01.600 --> 00:10:05.919 much needed. Alibi, however his statements were later quietly. Recanted 191 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:10.559 according To Harold wiseburg quote it was, preliminarily it was 192 00:10:10.600 --> 00:10:13.200 preliminary that Mister hudson And hall were lunching together and 193 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.240 discussing the sale of an. Automobile The hudson statement was 194 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:19.360 conclusive to time and. Date, however After hall's appearance in 195 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.320 court In, Bakersfield, California hudson recanted his statement and a 196 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:25.480 little note of this was made, or AS i was 197 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:27.840 to find, out was not made available at the state 198 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:30.720 level to influence the decision on Getting hall To New. Orleans, 199 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.279 hall as you well, know is a master of the twisted, story, events. 200 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:39.480 ETC i THINK i recall your conversation pretty close when 201 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:41.679 you guys were In Los angeles talking To hall at 202 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:46.720 THE Va, hospital That hall could be a trigger. Man wiseburg, 203 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.200 continued stating That hall had been traveling around the country 204 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.759 for a year or, more speaking and raising money for various, 205 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:54.440 groups but Once november twenty, second nineteen sixty, three, arrived 206 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.200 all Of hall's activities stopped. Cold was his seizing of 207 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:01.440 activities due to his culpability And canny's, assassination or simply 208 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.159 a general sense of impending doom for all attached to 209 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:08.679 the Anti castro, Movement probably a bit of. Both according 210 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.320 To David kaiser in his two thousand and eight Book 211 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.600 The road To, dallas He hall drove With hemming To 212 00:11:14.639 --> 00:11:17.440 florida in early nineteen sixty, three stopping over In, dallas 213 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:21.000 where they had met oil Geologist Lester, Logue Robert, morris 214 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.399 And General, walker and received from some funds From, logue 215 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:29.039 a political associate OF. H. L. Hunt the timing Of 216 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:31.000 hall's first trip To dallas was determined to have been 217 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:33.840 In march of nineteen sixty. Three it was later on 218 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:36.279 In april of nineteen sixty three That heming And hall 219 00:11:36.360 --> 00:11:38.120 arrived In, miami where they are said to have met 220 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:42.240 With Santos, Traficante Sam giancanna And Johnny. Roselli the alleged 221 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:44.759 purpose of this meeting was to discuss an upcoming rate 222 00:11:44.799 --> 00:11:48.519 On cuba led by Adventurer Eddie, bio scheduled For, june 223 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.600 even Though hall was known To, TRAFFICANTE i find the 224 00:11:51.679 --> 00:11:54.399 likelihood that this meeting occurred as. Slim if it did, 225 00:11:54.440 --> 00:11:56.879 occur it was most certainly not in regards to Anti castro. 226 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.639 Operations three of the biggest names in The american mafia 227 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.000 at ninth teen sixty three gather In miami to meet 228 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:07.559 With Lauren hall About. Cuba, REALLY i don't think. So. No, 229 00:12:07.559 --> 00:12:09.320 now would these guys have head To miami to meet 230 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:12.120 With Lauren, hall potential gunmen in the assassination Of President. 231 00:12:12.200 --> 00:12:15.480 Kennedy that is a far more believable story if this 232 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.720 meeting actually took. Place, unfortunately all we have are vague 233 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.559 generalities on the timing Of hall On hemming's. Trip what 234 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:23.600 we know is that the two met With General Edwin 235 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:25.639 walker at his home In dallas in Late march of 236 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.279 nineteen sixty. Three this is just prior to the shooting 237 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.039 At walker's home On april, tenth allegedly By Lee Harvey. 238 00:12:31.039 --> 00:12:33.799 Oswald it is around this time that the two men 239 00:12:33.879 --> 00:12:36.039 arrive In, miami but we are left guessing the exact. 240 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:39.440 Dates even if we had dates provided to us by authoritative, 241 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.960 sources could we really trust them to be. Correct what 242 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.039 seems much more likely is that Hall On hemming Left 243 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:47.320 Los angeles For, dallas where they met With walker and 244 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:50.320 planned his staged assassination, attempt which would occur On april. 245 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:54.559 TENTH a witness identified As Kirk, coleman who was fourteen 246 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:57.120 year old neighbor Of, walker's told investigators that there were 247 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.320 two men involved in the shooting and that neither of 248 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:02.519 them Was. Oswald coleman heard the shot from the doorway 249 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.639 of his, bedroom which led to the yard north side 250 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:07.200 on the north side of his. Home upon running, outside 251 00:13:07.200 --> 00:13:09.840 he looked over the fence bordering The mormon church adjacent 252 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:12.000 to his, house where he observed the two. Men although 253 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:14.399 it was dark, Out coleman was aided by the floodlights 254 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:16.279 in the church parking, lot giving him a clear view 255 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:18.919 of the men and their. Activities they were on the 256 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:20.799 other side of the church parking, lot about twenty five 257 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:23.320 to thirty feet From coleman's. Fence he described one of 258 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:24.879 the men as five foot, ten one hundred and thirty 259 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.080 pounds and really. Skinny he had bushy brown, hair a thin, 260 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:30.639 face and a large. Nose he believed this man to be, 261 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.039 young around nineteen to twenty years. Old he, stated this 262 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.879 man rushed back from the back of the, car which 263 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:38.440 had been idling with his lights. On he said he 264 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.159 was a nineteen Fifty white or Tan. Ford the man 265 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.279 entered the vehicle hurriedly and left the. Scene the second 266 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:46.559 man was described By coleman as having been around six foot, 267 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:49.559 one weighing two hundred. Pounds he had, long dark sleeved 268 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:52.399 shirnon in dark. Pants coleman was unable to provide any further. 269 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.639 Description before getting into his vehicle in nineteen fifty eight 270 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:58.240 black and white two Toned, chevy the man leaned into 271 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.840 the back seat through the driver's side door as placing something. 272 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.159 There the car had also been left idling with the lights. 273 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.720 On the man entered the driver's seat and sped. Away 274 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:08.159 coleman told investigators he had never seen these men At 275 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:11.720 walker's home before or after the attempt on his. Life 276 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:14.559 after being shown numerous pictures Of, oswald he declined to 277 00:14:14.639 --> 00:14:19.559 Name oswald as one of the two. Men according To 278 00:14:19.639 --> 00:14:23.440 James kelliher's, book he was expendable national, security political and 279 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:26.720 bureaucratic cover. UPS a man Named Max klanch was working 280 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.559 security detail For. Walker several days before the attempt on his. 281 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:32.559 Life he had seen a suspicious vehicle drive By walker's 282 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.440 home several. Times he described this car as a nineteen 283 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:37.840 fifty Seven chevy and the driver was described as A 284 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:41.440 cuban or dark. Complected another associate Of, walker's identified As 285 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:45.879 robert Er Allen, surrey had a similar. Experience surrey was 286 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.039 also the man responsible for the Controversial Welcome Mister kennedy 287 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:50.679 flyer that appeared In dallas on the day of the. 288 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.679 Assassination two days before the attempt On, Walker surrey observed 289 00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:58.480 a new model dark brown or maroon four Door ford 290 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:01.720 with two men standing. Near the men were described as 291 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:03.799 having been in their, thirties around five to. Ten both 292 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:06.360 were wearing nice shirts and. Suits they had been looking 293 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:10.519 in the windows At walker's. Home he reported the incident To. Walker, 294 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.919 however the men were never located or. Identified during The garrison, 295 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:17.600 investigation a man Named Jules Rico kimball was interviewed due 296 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:21.039 to his alleged connections to Fairy shaw and mercenaries surrounding 297 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:24.360 the Anti castro activities In New. Orleans kimball was also 298 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:26.440 a member of The Ku Klux klan and every other 299 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:29.480 right wing organization which THE cia AND fbi sought to. 300 00:15:29.519 --> 00:15:33.000 Penetrate kimball had Told garrison that he was a fink 301 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:36.000 for THE. Feds garrison believed That kimball was a reliable 302 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:37.879 witness and had stated most of What kimball had told. 303 00:15:37.960 --> 00:15:40.879 Him it checked. Out like every other, Witness kimball's testimony is. 304 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.559 Imperfect he had, been, however in a position to get 305 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.360 to know many of the major players involved in the. 306 00:15:45.399 --> 00:15:49.519 Assassination his specific knowledge of these individuals and their relationships 307 00:15:49.559 --> 00:15:52.159 with each other make it evident that he was intimately 308 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.399 connected to. Them this makes him as good of a 309 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.279 witness as any to offer insight into the mindset of these. 310 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:01.000 Men When garrison asked him at The walker shooting In 311 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:04.320 oswald's potential, involvement this is what was. Said what do 312 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:06.559 you think At General? WALKER i, mean you, say you 313 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:08.919 Know General. Walker do you think it's true he might 314 00:16:08.919 --> 00:16:12.039 have been? Involved first of, all you know That oswald 315 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:14.039 was said to have taken the shot At General. WALKER 316 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:17.519 i don't believe. IT i Think howard took the. Shot, 317 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.919 oh you Think howard took a. Shot certainly he was 318 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.360 In dallas with all those other. CRUMBS i don't Believe 319 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.120 oswald did. IT i don't. Care you, SEE i don't 320 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:26.639 want to go around trying to prove. Anything i'm just 321 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:29.120 trying to tell you who did what and. Why, Well 322 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.960 oswald supposedly had someone with. Him there were perhaps two 323 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:35.399 people involved in, it Like Billy seymour And, howard who 324 00:16:35.440 --> 00:16:37.519 was always hauling his Big mexican carcass around trying to 325 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:40.600 pull some kind of. Caper Lawrence howard was a dark 326 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:42.840 Skinned Mexican american and he was born to An irish 327 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.159 father and A mexican mother On january, seventeenth nineteen thirty, 328 00:16:46.200 --> 00:16:48.720 five In Los. Angeles he had served in the military 329 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:51.519 and became heavily involved with the Anti castro activities after The. 330 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:54.320 Revolution howard was a large, man coming in five foot 331 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:56.960 eleven inches tall and weighing over over the years between 332 00:16:56.960 --> 00:16:59.519 two hundred and three hundred. Pounds pictures of him during 333 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.799 the early day of the Anti castro movement in sixty 334 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.640 one show a much more lean. Specimen, however by the 335 00:17:04.640 --> 00:17:07.079 time of the assassination he had gained an excessive amount of. 336 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:09.920 Weight this accounts for the different weight descriptions of him 337 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:12.559 as recalled by witnesses between the early nineteen sixties And 338 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:16.279 november twenty, second nineteen sixty. Three one characteristic Of howard 339 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:18.839 that should stand out the most is that he is 340 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.440 often described as having a pockmarked face or having bumps 341 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:24.839 on his. Face he had rough skin and moles on both. 342 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:28.079 Cheeks this will become extremely relevant as we have had 343 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:32.160 numerous documented sightings Of oswald accompanied by a man described 344 00:17:32.160 --> 00:17:35.960 as a husky latino with a pockmarked. Face another important 345 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:38.200 descriptor mentioned in The garrison files is that he has 346 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.279 a pronounced scar over his left. Eye kimball believed the 347 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:44.319 shooting At walker's house was done By howard And, seymour 348 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:46.680 AND i have no choice but to Concur the main 349 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:49.559 implication here is That oswald was not. Involved coleman had 350 00:17:49.599 --> 00:17:51.039 a good enough view of the two men present to 351 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:54.559 rule Out oswald as a. Suspect even after viewing photographs Of, 352 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:56.759 oswald he refused to identify him as one of the 353 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:59.319 men on scene that. Night add to that the fact 354 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:01.680 That oswald do, drive and we can say with certainty 355 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:03.519 that he was not one of the men described By. 356 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.839 Coleman this was yet another staged event stage for the, 357 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.359 world designed to Incriminate oswald as a violent. Radical it 358 00:18:10.400 --> 00:18:12.640 didn't matter that the only witness to the, Aftermath Kirk, 359 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.559 coleman couldn't Place oswald at the. Scene once they linked 360 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:17.880 the rifle To oswald and the bullet covered From walker's 361 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:20.000 house to the, rifle it was case closed On oswald's. 362 00:18:20.000 --> 00:18:24.160 Guilt coleman had identified a black and white fifty Eight 363 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.039 chevy driven by a man around six foot tall and 364 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:29.200 two hundred, pounds but no further. Description Max klanch described 365 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.599 a very similar fifty Seven chevy with A cuban or 366 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:34.559 dark complexed driver circling the. Block do you really think 367 00:18:34.559 --> 00:18:36.319 these guys know the difference between a fifty seven and 368 00:18:36.359 --> 00:18:39.119 a fifty Eight. CHEVY i think it's fairly obvious that 369 00:18:39.160 --> 00:18:42.000 both men were describing the same. Car the description of 370 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:43.680 a six foot, tall two hundred pound man who was 371 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.160 dark complex and possibly A cuban supports the idea That 372 00:18:46.200 --> 00:18:48.960 howard was in fact driving and this one of the 373 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:51.839 men involved in The walker. Shooting William seymour was a 374 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:54.119 small framed. Man he stood between five foot six and 375 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.400 five foot eight inches tall and weighed one hundred and 376 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.200 fifty to one hundred and sixty five, pounds depending on 377 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.400 who you. Ask he had light brown hair and receiving 378 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:03.400 hairlines similar To. Oswald's he was born In, tucson but 379 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:05.400 lived much of his life In, Phoenix, arizona which will 380 00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.559 become extremely important later. On he's often said to have sharp, 381 00:19:08.599 --> 00:19:11.599 features including his. Chin he was also described By Lawrence 382 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.160 howard as closely Resembling Lee Harvey. Oswald it must have 383 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:17.759 been his resemblance to the main character in the assassination 384 00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:20.160 story that led to his recruitment for the setup Of. 385 00:19:20.200 --> 00:19:23.839 Oswald seymour had undoubtedly been one of the two Primary 386 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:27.559 oswald impostors whose actions created the dissident persona we have 387 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.920 all become familiar. With besides being a suspect or accomplice 388 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.319 in the stage shooting At walker's, house there are numerous 389 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:35.319 other incidents in the months leading up to the assassination 390 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:39.240 in Which William seymour was being mistaken For. Oswald one 391 00:19:39.240 --> 00:19:41.759 of the more important events in the assassination story alleged 392 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.279 to have Involved oswald was the meeting At Sylvia odios 393 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:48.559 on twenty, seventh nineteen sixty. Three one thing to note 394 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:51.759 is That oswald allegedly crossed the border Into mexico On 395 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:55.400 september the twenty. Sixth september the twenty sixth is also 396 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:58.319 the date That oswald closed out HIS po box and 397 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:01.519 left a forwarding address indicating he was actually still In New. 398 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:05.440 Orleans Sylvia odio was the daughter of two prominent Anti 399 00:20:05.440 --> 00:20:08.039 castro activists who had been jailed In cuba in nineteen sixty. 400 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:10.559 Three she claimed she had Met Lee Harvey oswald in 401 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.200