1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another Geek First review. 2 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:10,119 This week, we're wrapping up the last of US season two. Yeah, 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:12,199 we got a juicy episode to break down, and we 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,160 got a full episode to break well. 5 00:00:14,439 --> 00:00:15,039 Speaker 2: That's that's what we were. 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,519 Speaker 1: Full room of of geek First members here to break 7 00:00:19,559 --> 00:00:21,839 down this episode before we get to everyone else. I 8 00:00:21,879 --> 00:00:24,359 am the monster at the end of the book. Kirkle Patzer, 9 00:00:27,519 --> 00:00:28,800 I don't know that's it. 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 2: It's just me so. 11 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,679 Speaker 3: Kirkle's always second, So I don't know who goes second. 12 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:36,679 Speaker 4: When Kirtle swat form, I'm the water down trast Now 13 00:00:37,399 --> 00:00:40,679 I'm watered up, dyl Mus, I'm the wave. 14 00:00:40,799 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 5: Taylor Field, he. 15 00:00:42,119 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: Got a lot of water here. It's a wet night. 16 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,759 It's gonna be a wet night. I hope it's raining. 17 00:00:47,799 --> 00:00:50,439 Speaker 4: In the episode, it was wet. That boat rides very. 18 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 2: Very very wet. 19 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: This episode was, and we're our thoughts wet. Whether that 20 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,920 means positive or negative, we'll find out. 21 00:00:59,479 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 4: Before you get all completely dry, Joel's dry. 22 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,159 Speaker 2: Shut up, using like a pool of something. 23 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:10,799 Speaker 1: Before we go to the episode, I am gonna shout 24 00:01:10,799 --> 00:01:13,239 out a few things that we've been doing, uh lately, 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:18,680 We just did a juicy Mission Impossible eight review, Dead Reckoning. 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,879 I forgot about the name for a second. There know 27 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,560 the Final Reckoning, Yes, the Final Mission Possible will actually 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,519 be there, we don't know, but our thoughts on the 29 00:01:30,599 --> 00:01:31,680 on the yes on. 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,079 Speaker 4: Making movies, and we got we're gonna have that drop 31 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:40,120 at some point. And we got the rankings for the 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,719 patron Suit. This week we're gonna record as well. 33 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:43,719 Speaker 2: So I cannot wait. 34 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta finish off that list. 35 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 3: There. 36 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,799 Speaker 1: What else do we got going on? We got a 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,079 this week, Dylan and I are doing a juicy I 38 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:54,319 believe side quest and Weekly Geek. We got a double 39 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,239 of you and Me, so that's gonna be the Whaler's 40 00:01:58,239 --> 00:02:00,480 week with the water wet. 41 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:06,079 Speaker 2: This week. So yeah, I mean beyond that. What else 42 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,680 we got going on? 43 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,759 Speaker 4: Giv episode with all of us too this week because 44 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:11,000 all the shows are ending and or is done. Last 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,560 of us is done, so we can we're finally a 46 00:02:12,599 --> 00:02:16,439 little unbooked until like July, and then July we're filthy. 47 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: But after nine coming up too, if I'm not mistaken, 48 00:02:19,159 --> 00:02:21,960 This Friday, six pm PS that we'll be talking. 49 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: About all the movies and what's happening. I think the 50 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:24,639 juicy stuff. 51 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:26,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe i'll may I'll bring the patren a little 52 00:02:26,879 --> 00:02:27,199 bit later. 53 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 4: But yeah, and there's one other zombie related well debate 54 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,719 there by twenty days later is dropping this week, so 55 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,680 kind of ties in the Last of Us. You know, 56 00:02:35,759 --> 00:02:38,240 so we're recording tonight, but that's dropping. We're doing that 57 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:39,960 in weeks. So look out, good. 58 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Time, lookout and verb I mean, anything else, I don't think. 59 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,360 So let's just get wet and wild and get right 60 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,960 in there. Yesle's I'm the only person that's been on 61 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,800 every single episode of Last of Us season two. I 62 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,080 picked up and lost something the last place along the way, 63 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,240 and yeah, Dylan joined us here on the finale, So 64 00:03:00,439 --> 00:03:02,080 maybe I'll throw it to Dylan just to get your 65 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,840 little thoughts on where you've been and what you've been thinking. 66 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:13,159 Speaker 3: And uh, the first Sunday I was, you know, in Cologna. Second, yeah, 67 00:03:13,719 --> 00:03:16,159 can I go full spoilers on the previous episodes? Is that? 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:16,479 Is that? 69 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:18,479 Speaker 4: Yeah? Everything except yeah? 70 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, so season two, you know, as as we've kind 71 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,599 of documented before, but it was a while ago. First 72 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:26,800 season one for me was that, you know, I'm not 73 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,319 a big fan of these games. Like, I've played a 74 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:29,639 bit of Last US one, but it's just not my 75 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:31,439 cup of tea. I'm not a big fan of the 76 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,360 Naughty Dog stuff, but I still kind of know pretty 77 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,120 much everything happens in the first Last of Us game. 78 00:03:35,159 --> 00:03:37,560 So that first season, you know, there were some couple 79 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:40,280 of surprises here, there maybe specific smaller characters that I 80 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:42,080 wasn't aware of, but for the most part, I kind 81 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,199 of knew what the story was going to be, and 82 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,000 it just seemed like it was a really great. 83 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: Execution of that. 84 00:03:45,719 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 3: This uh season, I've definitely knew a lot less about 85 00:03:49,439 --> 00:03:53,680 the second game. I did didn't know about Joel dying 86 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,400 and I so that's one of the I think the 87 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,479 thing that first surprising for the show is how early 88 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,120 in this season that happened. I thought that maybe what 89 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:02,919 they would do is like stretch that out to be 90 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:06,039 like the finale of like this whole season, like they would, 91 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:07,840 you know, do a bunch of stuff. Maybe they have 92 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,039 to add extra content. I don't really know, but I 93 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:11,719 thought we were gonna wait a bit more for what happens. 94 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:13,719 And then that did happen in episode two, and then 95 00:04:13,759 --> 00:04:16,120 I think I was, you know a little lesurprised when 96 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:17,279 I was like, oh yeah, okay, well they still got 97 00:04:17,319 --> 00:04:19,040 like their episode six in there where they can do 98 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:21,920 like another Joel episode, which you know, was not my 99 00:04:22,199 --> 00:04:24,639 cup of tea necessarily. But overall, I think this season 100 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:27,680 it was definitely stepped down from season one for me. 101 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:31,240 But also, god, I always want to I don't want 102 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,319 to spoil anything here, so I'm trying to be wary 103 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,480 of this. But overall, I haven't enjoyed this season. I 104 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,920 think I wanted a lot more Abby. I feel like 105 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:40,560 I'm surprised now that we're at the end of this, 106 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:44,879 like how little she was in this show overall. And 107 00:04:45,319 --> 00:04:47,560 I think, you know, maybe why this season is maybe 108 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,759 weaker for me overall is I just not a big 109 00:04:50,759 --> 00:04:55,720 fan of Ellie Belle Ramsey, Ellie a little bit acting, 110 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,639 a little bit of writing, and I think mostly just 111 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,879 like this character is very, you know, very stubborn and 112 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,439 like kind of an annoying personality in many ways. It's 113 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,240 obviously it's intentional to some extent, but I think her 114 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:10,079 being the lead of the season didn't work as strongly 115 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,680 for me. But the actress who plays Dina, I like, 116 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:14,399 you know, not compared to the game in terms of 117 00:05:14,439 --> 00:05:17,759 the casting, but I think that casting was like absolute 118 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,279 star pick. Like whoever the casting director for the show 119 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:23,079 was a plus game because I think she's so charismatic 120 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:26,199 and to me, like added so much heart to the 121 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,519 season that was otherwise like pretty dour and dark and whatnot. 122 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,639 So I guess that's my overall thoughts of like the 123 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,240 leading episodes into this. But yeah, I know, I think 124 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,319 this this episode is okay, and overall this season was 125 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,240 like just okay for me. But I guess, like I 126 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,079 guess this is fine to say in a non spoiler way, 127 00:05:45,079 --> 00:05:46,680 but you know, just huge cliffhanger here. So I'm not 128 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,680 really satisfied at the end of this either. I guess 129 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,000 I think I forgot that they had confirmed like a 130 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,000 season three is happening at this point, so we are 131 00:05:54,079 --> 00:05:57,240 getting it. But yeah, I I feel like I was 132 00:05:57,279 --> 00:06:00,000 a little teased here. To be honest, I'm pretty unsatisfied 133 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,240 with the ending that we got here. So yeah, I 134 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,839 think there's some grounds for some interesting things to happen 135 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,680 in season three. But overall, I feel like this season 136 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,399 could have been like even shorter, or if it was 137 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,480 just like a few episodes longer and they just did 138 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:17,959 one like one season two instead of splitting the three seasons. 139 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,839 I think I would have been a little more happy 140 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,560 with it. But I also don't know like how far 141 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,639 into Last of Us Part two we are at this point, 142 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,680 just because my game knowledge really just I knew about 143 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:30,120 the Joel death and like not much else. So uh, yeah, 144 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,839 it was very messy. But you know, I've missed six 145 00:06:32,879 --> 00:06:36,079 episodes of the reviews, so it's a lot to recappen 146 00:06:36,519 --> 00:06:37,360 in a couple of minutes. 147 00:06:38,879 --> 00:06:41,199 Speaker 2: Right on, Taylor, I'll throw it to you. What do 148 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:41,560 you think? 149 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 6: Ooh yeah, my goodness. So for the finale, it did 150 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:51,959 not feel like a satisfying finale, Dylan, would you highlighted 151 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:56,519 for Abby? Feel like I would apply that to Ellie 152 00:06:56,560 --> 00:07:00,480 now at this point for me because I feel like and. 153 00:07:01,319 --> 00:07:03,439 Speaker 4: She's didn't see enough of Ellie. That's what you're saying. 154 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,759 Speaker 6: No, not that, because that's what Okay, I was so 155 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,720 confused post that post. 156 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: That enough of Ellie, which even though, to be fair 157 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,040 to you, that there is lots of game players that 158 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,600 feel that because they've jumped over a lot of the 159 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,360 Ellie's story arcs, even in this episode, they jumped over one, 160 00:07:18,439 --> 00:07:21,839 so it's just i'd wonder for Dylan'm not saying like, oh, 161 00:07:21,839 --> 00:07:24,360 the game would save you, but there's like just a 162 00:07:24,399 --> 00:07:28,759 lot of more slow burn with her where this showy 163 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:32,160 they I don't like. I obviosly you think Bella maybe 164 00:07:32,279 --> 00:07:34,560 on the lower acting side. I don't think that for me. 165 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,839 I think just the way they sometimes right Ellie and 166 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,680 the show is different. We've talked about this in the 167 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:40,839 past few weeks as far as just the they are 168 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,079 kind of both very angry characters, but in a different 169 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,240 type of way. But yes, there's lots of stuff that 170 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:47,959 people have been like, oh man, I wish they did this, 171 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,800 And even tonight there's I think they took a moment 172 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,079 from her that was like, to me, a big choice, 173 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,480 and it's just was like, oh man, poor Ellie. That 174 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,600 sucks that that happened to her. You know. I know 175 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,480 in the game she kind of chose to do X, 176 00:07:59,600 --> 00:07:59,920 Y and Z. 177 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,839 Speaker 5: So I wouldn't say it's it's Bella. 178 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 6: I would say it's more or less the writing because 179 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,720 like with this, it being way too quick with how 180 00:08:07,079 --> 00:08:10,800 things are aggressive for her character, and I feel like, Okay, 181 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,720 we had a bit of a slow burn in a 182 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,000 good way and just the dynamic and the traveling and 183 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,800 everything like that, and then getting to this point, it's 184 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:21,000 just there's like a sense of blindness involved in her actions, 185 00:08:21,079 --> 00:08:23,519 and it's just it's like, okay, one to one hundred 186 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,839 to one thousand to ten thousand, it's like, fuck, this 187 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,040 is just getting more crazier. And I think, I guess 188 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:31,240 maybe that again, I attribute it to the way that 189 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,080 she has been written, and I don't like how they 190 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:33,440 wrote that. 191 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 5: I feel like we could have had. 192 00:08:34,399 --> 00:08:36,919 Speaker 6: A little bit more time to build up to this 193 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:42,039 getting more infuriated kind of mentality, if that makes sense. 194 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:43,639 I'm trying to beat around the bush about it. 195 00:08:44,799 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. The only thing I pushed back on is I 196 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,120 think we've talked about this past few weeks that even 197 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,360 season one they hinted about her being like a very 198 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:53,279 violent mindset character though right like even when we first 199 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,679 met it did. But I feel like a personally like, hey, 200 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,039 you could have stopped and it's like, oh, and even 201 00:08:58,360 --> 00:08:59,480 but I'm spending. 202 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:02,279 Speaker 5: So much time with the community and with Tommy and 203 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,360 with doing all these different things. 204 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 6: I feel like that that caught me off guard because like, god, damn. 205 00:09:08,279 --> 00:09:11,039 Speaker 4: I guess, but I get yeah, no, I don't know. 206 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,200 I'd have to push back because even episode one went 207 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,080 or when was the last was it one? Nos? Two? 208 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,320 Because the last time that's Joel and I can't remember 209 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,960 Catherine O'Hara's character. What was it, I don't know, But anyways, 210 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,960 remember there's a conversation about like, oh, would she still 211 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,399 be fucked up if Joel raised her? And she's like no, 212 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,679 like she's on that path already. You just kind of 213 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,840 happened to bump into her. Like, I just feel like 214 00:09:31,879 --> 00:09:33,879 they have multiple times set up. I'm not saying they've 215 00:09:33,879 --> 00:09:35,879 portrayed it maybe the best way, but I think they've 216 00:09:35,879 --> 00:09:38,320 at least set up like, no, there's something there that's 217 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,320 not like everybody else where it's like, oh, I'll kill 218 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,080 someone to defend where all he's more gets a bit 219 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,279 more enjoyment as I feel like there's been some hints 220 00:09:45,279 --> 00:09:47,159 but maybe Malone on the island. 221 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,039 Speaker 5: M h, that's fair. 222 00:09:50,879 --> 00:09:52,799 Speaker 2: Gail was her name, by the way, Travis, thank you. 223 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,519 Speaker 1: I'll pass with the Travis after me because you're the 224 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,080 you're the video game compared some guys so well, I'm 225 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,799 curious to see how how you thought this one ended. 226 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:07,000 I think I'm pretty in the middle of Taylor and 227 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:07,679 Dylan here. 228 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of what Dylan said, and just. 229 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll unpack that actually mediate the situation. 230 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 5: For us, Mediate the situation, Mediate the situation, balance it out. 231 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:23,879 Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much though, because I 232 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,159 feel like, yeah, I just want to talk about specific 233 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 story things, and I'm scared I'm gonna I'm gonna beat 234 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:31,679 that bush a little bit too much. 235 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 4: And really we're a tough time here apparently. 236 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tricky, I mean here at the end 237 00:10:37,759 --> 00:10:38,240 of the road. 238 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,759 Speaker 1: But for me, I would be lying if I said 239 00:10:42,759 --> 00:10:46,360 this was a satisfying finale. I felt like this was 240 00:10:46,519 --> 00:10:51,879 very dissatisfying. And I almost agree with the sentiment that 241 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:54,120 this could have been an episode shorter, just with how 242 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:58,159 this one played. I have enjoyed the season overall. For 243 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,080 the most part. There's been a lot of moments of 244 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,639 just like, Okay, I'm gonna hold my breath and wait 245 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,639 until this reveal happens, and then a reveal happens or 246 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,759 it doesn't, but when it does happen, it's like really satisfying. 247 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:11,519 I feel like it does answer a lot of holdbacks. 248 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:14,720 I kind of have in the show, and I felt 249 00:11:14,759 --> 00:11:17,600 like last week's episode handled a lot of that for me, 250 00:11:17,759 --> 00:11:21,960 for just like how I was feeling with the lack 251 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,240 there of Joel throughout the whole season. I felt like 252 00:11:24,279 --> 00:11:27,879 last week's episode saved a lot of that feeling for me, 253 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,480 And then this week's episode, I really had no idea 254 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:33,320 how we're gonna end this, Like I knew this was 255 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,120 the last episode, but I just feel like there's so 256 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,159 much It's not even like there's meat on the bone. 257 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,120 It's like we have like more courses yet to come, 258 00:11:39,159 --> 00:11:40,960 and it's just like, oh, I gotta I gotta run now, 259 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,840 like like this is this is the end. So I 260 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,600 feel like I'm I'm missing a lot here, And as 261 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,279 soon as it ended, it was just like, oh and 262 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:51,679 I gotta wait a long time for the next season here. 263 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,200 So I didn't feel satisfied pretty much like at all 264 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:56,919 with with how it ended. I think there's some really 265 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,639 good juice in here. There's a couple of moments that 266 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,960 I holy gasped and I'm like, oh my God, like 267 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,919 this this is some heavy stuff where we're tackling here, 268 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,759 but like, yeah, whether it's pulling anything, like the moment 269 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,279 right at the end episode, it's like, why are we 270 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:12,399 even doing this, Like like it's just such a tease, 271 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,639 and I, yeah, I just feel more upset than if 272 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,559 I wouldn't have even seen a certain thing that happens 273 00:12:19,639 --> 00:12:20,159 at the end. 274 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll impact that when we get there. 275 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: But I'm, yeah, I don't know, I'm I'm I think 276 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,039 I'm in the more positive camp with Bella, I think 277 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,799 throughout the whole season and in this episode again, like 278 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,360 she's like the character of Ellie is forced to play 279 00:12:33,399 --> 00:12:36,080 like these really emotional sequences, really heavy. 280 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, just just weight. 281 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: That's on her on the character's shoulders, and I think 282 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,639 Bella does a good job at representing that in a 283 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:49,120 really good way. And yeah, I think this episode had 284 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:51,759 a lot of like turning points and kind of certain 285 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,720 characters the way that they see other characters in the show. 286 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:57,559 And that's just juicy content. So I'm just excited I 287 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,480 see how that plays out. But again it's like they 288 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:01,200 show us here at the end, and now I have 289 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,600 to wait a long time to actually get that. 290 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: So uh, just yeah, a lot of. 291 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,039 Speaker 1: I think disappointment across the board for the story stuff, 292 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:11,200 but not necessarily like I think the execution of it. 293 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,840 But maybe maybe it is the execution of it because 294 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,200 that's how they decided to end the season. But yeah, 295 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,240 I know, I'm I'm curious to pass it over to 296 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,639 Travis here and just see how he feels knowing the 297 00:13:20,639 --> 00:13:23,080 scope of the story and then kind of how they 298 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:27,120 chose to end this season. And uh, yeah, I know 299 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:29,559 I'm getting another season. Talks that we're getting it broken 300 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:31,960 down into like two more seasons, so I can only 301 00:13:32,039 --> 00:13:34,679 imagine that if if that's the plan, I might be 302 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,159 feeling the same way come the finale of next season. 303 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:38,600 But maybe I'm getting a little bit too ahead of 304 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:41,360 myself and not staying in the because they don't camp 305 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,279 I like to be in. 306 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:47,039 Speaker 6: Hopefully they don't Halo US and you know, no season 307 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:47,879 never want to get Halo. 308 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: I know. I think you're I think you're safe there. 309 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:53,759 I think they're gonna do four seasons. I don't know. 310 00:13:55,759 --> 00:13:57,679 We'll talk about spoilers. I don't know how season three 311 00:13:57,759 --> 00:13:59,759 is gonna do, because I think there's like, so there's 312 00:13:59,759 --> 00:14:01,399 some Kirkland said where he's like, oh, I don't want 313 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:03,919 to wait. It's like, well, I don't know. Buckle up, baby, 314 00:14:03,919 --> 00:14:06,080 you're gonna maybe be waiting a long time. I want 315 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:07,919 to ask youuse maybe I'm assuming because Dan you said 316 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:09,840 would be shorter last week, he didn't really That sounds 317 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,039 like he didn't enjoy it too much. You probably just 318 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,919 kind of mostly remove that episode or kind of sprinkle 319 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,879 and other stuff like maybe make other episodes may longer 320 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:17,639 that one. 321 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:19,799 Speaker 3: So what I read on line is that that's the 322 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,120 epilogue of the game is. 323 00:14:22,759 --> 00:14:25,559 Speaker 4: Just that last scene, but that the all the flashbacks 324 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,000 you kind of play throughout the game, like, so that 325 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,279 scene with Joel and Ellie on the porch is actually 326 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,039 like the very last thing you see of Last of 327 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,559 Us Part two. But I do agree with and I 328 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:38,360 do I put this on our discord. I recommend anybody 329 00:14:38,559 --> 00:14:40,840 that's played the game check out Last a media call 330 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:42,679 on He's like from kind of Funny years ago. He 331 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:45,720 interviewed Neo Chuckman and it was a good interview because 332 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,080 their friends in real life. So he talked to him 333 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,799 about lots of like hey, people don't like this and 334 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,039 why did you change this? And they just thought that 335 00:14:51,159 --> 00:14:53,600 scene was You'd be waiting way too long to get 336 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:55,600 that reveal of like, hey, did Joel and Ellie talk 337 00:14:55,639 --> 00:14:57,480 because yeah, it's the very last thing you do. But 338 00:14:57,519 --> 00:14:59,399 the rest of that episodes kind of all sprinkled throughout 339 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:02,559 the game where it's like, oh, the Astronauts stuff and everything. 340 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: So yeah, that that that makes sense because I I 341 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:07,200 was gonna say, like, if I feel like that, if 342 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:10,840 we had our huge explosive finale level thing as like 343 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:14,000 the second last episode, and then like for a TV show, 344 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,879 you just had like a full episode as like an epilogue, 345 00:15:15,879 --> 00:15:17,000 we feel like kind of a weird. 346 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: Thing to do. 347 00:15:17,399 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: So now that that's good context to add in there. 348 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:22,360 I don't know, I don't know how. I think I 349 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,679 was just like kind of mid on it. It just 350 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:28,279 felt like less consequential now that we like know everything 351 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:30,399 that happened with Joel and that he's like not around anymore. 352 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,240 I guess that is good to backfill that, especially when 353 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:35,039 it comes to the reveal of her knowing what like 354 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,360 that he lied to her about what happened at the 355 00:15:37,399 --> 00:15:40,200 hospital all that. But yeah, I think I think maybe 356 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,039 for me, like maybe just keep building up that relationship 357 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,639 and do that initial thing of maybe that the Joel's 358 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:48,679 death is like the end of this, and then it 359 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,159 sounds like because base. Okay, Now, I don't want to 360 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:54,720 spoil anything now, but it's I guess there. I'll say 361 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,600 this that there were other storyline things we could have 362 00:15:57,679 --> 00:16:00,080 put in this season in terms of like timeline and 363 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:02,440 stuff that would kind of you know, shift things from 364 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:04,840 this season to next one. Uh, there's other things we 365 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:06,919 could have done. So I'll just say that way without spoiling. 366 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:09,679 Speaker 4: Well, that that's us gonna ASKU. Maybe I wasn't as 367 00:16:09,679 --> 00:16:12,000 simple as I thought. But Kirkland, you also said was shorter? 368 00:16:12,039 --> 00:16:14,240 Would you like cut an entire episode or what would 369 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:14,919 you do there. 370 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,399 Speaker 2: Like for like just this season any episode out? 371 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:18,799 Speaker 6: Yeah? 372 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: Would you because you said be shorter. So that's why 373 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,799 I was wondering, like, what would you take out from 374 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:24,120 this season to make it shorter? 375 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: I'm gonnaways answer that again. 376 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,559 Speaker 4: The spoils, Yeah, I I it's tough. So we're like, 377 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,600 we'll get more into spoils. This is where at the 378 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:34,399 halfway point of the game. Like I'd say, maybe not 379 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,960 the literal like fifty percent, but that's pretty much roughly 380 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,879 what it is. But yeah, I think they could spend 381 00:16:39,879 --> 00:16:42,279 season three to doing something, the season four doing something. 382 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,440 This was seven episodes maybe they go to six, maybe 383 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,679 go seven, who knows, because they can always do like 384 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:51,240 a god, what's Bill and the other guy's name? Right? Yeah, yeah, 385 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,799 that one too, uh. They they can always be inspired 386 00:16:53,799 --> 00:16:55,559 to do some type of episode like that, right, that 387 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,279 could be in which I kind of thought the Eugene 388 00:16:58,279 --> 00:16:59,960 episode was gonna be. I thought they kind of sold 389 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,360 that like that. It wasn't that last week, like that 390 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,960 was not the Eugene episode. So I'm saying, like, you 391 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:06,720 could probably still do a couple more episodes in the 392 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,200 next few seasons, like hey, we're just gonna do a 393 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,400 one off of like something in the World. And I 394 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,920 also thought a couple weeks ago we're gonna get there 395 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,240 with Isaac, but we didn't, so we'll see what happens. 396 00:17:14,279 --> 00:17:17,640 But uh uh yeah, no, there's I don't really know 397 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,480 how to feel about the show. I think it's very 398 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,400 well made. I think it's it's tough because I think 399 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,359 it's the first time I come too close to the 400 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,960 material and I was really hoping that I get like, 401 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:30,279 I know this sounds bad, but a version of the 402 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:32,599 game I could watch because replaying that game is very long, 403 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,400 so it's not just like an easy thing to do like, oh, 404 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,039 I relive that story and it just always feels Now, 405 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:38,480 don't get me wrong, Please don't take this as a 406 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,240 context when I say it feels like AI not like that. 407 00:17:41,319 --> 00:17:43,400 There's no way I doesn't feel that bad. But you know, 408 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,839 you know when you see something, you're like, something's just 409 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,720 off with this, right, like you just f and then 410 00:17:49,759 --> 00:17:52,000 it's like, okay, it's Ai. Whether it's you know, missing 411 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,039 a finger, whether it's the image circle maybe's looking for 412 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,359 right now? Yeah, there you go, Like to me, why 413 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,440 is Elly wearing eyeliner in the Apocalypse right when you 414 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,519 guys are doing the newscast, Like that's not real? And 415 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:02,119 now you owed Taylor pizzas so. 416 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,559 Speaker 2: They cut this scene. 417 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:05,839 Speaker 5: This is in season. 418 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:11,319 Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, but I think GVD to give you. 419 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:14,079 Speaker 5: I can't take it. 420 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: I knew that I'll take the pizza. 421 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: I love you. We'll all have it, but no, So 422 00:18:22,079 --> 00:18:25,519 for me, uh, it's strange. Yeah, there's just choices and 423 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:26,960 things that they change, and a lot of them are 424 00:18:27,079 --> 00:18:29,960 just because like I don't understand we're on HBO, but 425 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:31,960 it feels like we're really softening up. We'll talk about 426 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,240 in this episode. There's one particular where that bugged me. 427 00:18:34,319 --> 00:18:36,119 Last week, there was stuff that bugged me. So that's 428 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,680 where it's tough for I still think it's good. I 429 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,200 think it's well made, it's well acted, score, it shot good, 430 00:18:40,519 --> 00:18:43,039 but there's just always like feels like it's a little 431 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,519 lacking and uh yeah, and it's it's gonna be really 432 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:50,000 interesting when we talk about this and spoilers, because I'll 433 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:51,960 give it to them for the most part, like Joel's 434 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,200 death early on, like that's something that happens in the game. 435 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,559 It's very very early on, and even like this switch 436 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,880 right now, it's like the game, so it's something that 437 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:01,880 I applaud them for staying very true to the game. 438 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,079 But at the same time, when Neil was doing the interview, 439 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,839 he's like, well, we changed some things because you know 440 00:19:06,039 --> 00:19:08,119 that works in a video game, but that doesn't work 441 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,200 in a TV or movie, which is absolutely correct. And 442 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,240 that's where I'm wondering if this finale is kind of 443 00:19:13,279 --> 00:19:15,680 the same thing where and even season three, I don't 444 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,799 know if it's gonna work. And there's even some things 445 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:19,279 in the game that don't work for me, and I'm like, 446 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:20,759 I don't know how this is gonna work in a show. 447 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:23,440 Because I think the show has done those aspects a 448 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,640 lot weaker than the game has, and people I think 449 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:29,680 are less invested in certain characters. So I don't know. 450 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,200 I could see the show having good enough rings to 451 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:33,839 get season four, but I could see there being a 452 00:19:33,839 --> 00:19:35,720 big dip with some of the choices they're gonna make. 453 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:42,000 But yeah, I enjoyed it. Yeah, I like I said, 454 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,319 I don't this one needs some thinking. It's stuff where 455 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:47,000 I know we'll probably do scores. I don't really know 456 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:48,759 if I have a score orre gonna give this a score, 457 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:50,880 Like I think I need to really sit on this 458 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,799 and wait for a while, probably give like a ballpark. 459 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,119 But yeah, I enjoy some aspects. I don't think it's bad. 460 00:19:56,599 --> 00:19:58,640 Last week's same thing. There was, you know, that conversation 461 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,640 with Joel and Ellie. Some things were changed and just 462 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:04,559 just very subtle stuff like I know it's not a 463 00:20:04,599 --> 00:20:07,160 big thing, but I know you guys really like Joel 464 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,960 saying that he loved during that big speech. Like that 465 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,480 doesn't happen in the game because it's supposed to be 466 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:13,000 very like like sub you're supposed to like, you know, 467 00:20:13,079 --> 00:20:15,119 Joel loves her, you don't really need him to say 468 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:16,799 that you don't need him to cry about and stuff 469 00:20:16,839 --> 00:20:19,000 like that's the point of Joel. They so hardened, like 470 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:21,200 he's not gonna say it, but that's what makes it 471 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:23,960 hurt even more, you know, and just little things. But 472 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,160 uh yeah, so we'll talk about it. I'll be interesting 473 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:28,480 what they do next year. But I'm trying to think 474 00:20:28,519 --> 00:20:30,759 if there's anything like really positive I can say, because 475 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,440 that sounds mixed all the negative, like I no way 476 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:38,640 fails episode anything like that. But yeah, I don't know. 477 00:20:39,039 --> 00:20:40,640 Like I said, it's just same stuff as far as 478 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,640 acting and stuff. So that's all I got. 479 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 2: Nice cool. All right, Well we'll get. 480 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: Into the water here, uh, jump into our first ad 481 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:55,359 break and we'll be back to unravel this mystery. 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My gosh, I gotta 494 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,359 I gotta take a break halfway. 495 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 2: Through that that let's get in too long? 496 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: But yes, we we, Well it's not getting too long. 497 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,279 Speaker 4: It's getting me long for all the start on subscribing. Please, 498 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:44,599 it's too long for ushtraight off. 499 00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: It's too hard for me to do my job. 500 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 4: Don't don't help us make. 501 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 3: You know, be the SAMs of the world. 502 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,279 Speaker 4: Okay, we want you all to have a one syllable nickname. 503 00:21:53,319 --> 00:21:55,559 Speaker 3: Even Clay. We had to have the cocktail on there. 504 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,079 Speaker 4: You know, April of Darkness is now dark, Cocktail Clay 505 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,400 is now caught, you know, like that's what it's gonna 506 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:02,039 be from now on. 507 00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:08,759 Speaker 1: Yes, So yeah, patron gentlemen, where do you want to start? 508 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 5: Fuck? 509 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,039 Speaker 4: You guys have a lot of bags you want to open, 510 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:14,200 So I want to start open some of these bags. 511 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,839 Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna start with kind of answering your 512 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,960 question on like what I would cut and for me, 513 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,839 I mean it goes right to the end, honestly, get 514 00:22:21,839 --> 00:22:24,240 Abby right out of this episode, like completely, like don't 515 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:28,599 even have like the gut shot moment of her cap 516 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,279 in the Loyal Jesse, who's just a good guy? What 517 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,880 a way to go that that gas gassed me for sure? 518 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,160 But yeah, I I don't know. I I didn't like 519 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:42,480 the the lack thereof like actual resolution of that. They 520 00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:45,160 just they just cliffhanger it failed, fade to black and 521 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,359 then have her wake up and then go to Seattle 522 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,200 day one, Like I like, yeah, that that bugged me 523 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,440 so much. Honestly, I I think I would have completely 524 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:55,200 asked that out of this episode entirely. 525 00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,039 Speaker 4: So how would you end it just them just Jesse 526 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,519 and Ellie talking and then fade to black? 527 00:23:01,759 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, or like like the moment on the island, like 528 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:10,559 like not necessarily faded black there? Yeah, yeah, sorry at 529 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,720 the aquarium, have Tommy come in, get them out of there. 530 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,559 It's really emotional and heavy. But then like that just 531 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,759 goes away and then like maybe some like fade to 532 00:23:20,759 --> 00:23:22,799 black moment rise and then like a little hint of 533 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:24,720 what's coming, like maybe actually you see Abby there, but 534 00:23:24,759 --> 00:23:27,400 not necessarily like her waking up like in the past 535 00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:32,000 at the start of the Seattle trip, maybe like an. 536 00:23:31,839 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: Isaac thing, but like, I don't even know. 537 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: Isaac's been such a question mark for me for this 538 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,000 whole season, so I don't even know like what you 539 00:23:36,039 --> 00:23:37,680 would show there because I just don't really know what's 540 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,839 going on with him and his army. Like I know 541 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,079 they're at war, but they looked like they were going 542 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,759 out for like a really important mission there. 543 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, at this point in the game, you don't know 544 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,799 any of this, so you're getting like little previews for 545 00:23:47,839 --> 00:23:49,640 what you'll know of Isaac's story by this point in 546 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,400 the game. They've sprinkled that in that this is completely 547 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,880 kind of foreign as far as the timeline. 548 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,079 Speaker 1: So yeah, And I think the main reason why I 549 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,680 feel like just get rid of Abby is I've been 550 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,359 waiting for this like moment all season and for them 551 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,440 to like just say, like, this is what you've been 552 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,799 waiting for, but you're not getting it this season like that, 553 00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:11,720 that just that just seems like like a cheap magician 554 00:24:11,759 --> 00:24:12,960 trick that they're pulling on me. 555 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,559 Speaker 2: So yeah, I was, I was pretty bitter about that, 556 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,000 but I don't know if I'm alone there. 557 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's almost impossible to like script 558 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,480 doctor this into like making sense with what we got here. 559 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,559 It's like if you take a game that was one 560 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,079 story and it's not like a super duper long game, 561 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,359 like and then you split that into multiple seasons, like 562 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:31,880 I don't know, like when you were playing the game 563 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,799 trave so I'm sure I'm sure you weren't like, oh, 564 00:24:33,799 --> 00:24:35,079 this sort of have been a great place to end 565 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,359 this game, so I could pick it up like a 566 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,000 third game like five years from now, like, because you know, 567 00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,799 it is one cohesive story. And yes, it's like non 568 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,880 linear in the way it jumps around back and forth 569 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,400 and between different characters. But I just feel like when 570 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,160 you're flip floped between that many different things, it just 571 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,599 becomes messy kind of no matter what. And I feel 572 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,880 like one of the offshoots of this is like Jesse's 573 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,319 like as a sidecar. That's his name, right, the guy. Yeah, 574 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,680 Like I really really great character. I really enjoyed him 575 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,759 throughout the season. He was a highlight for me for 576 00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:09,119 sure too, Like the side characters so bitter and like 577 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,599 he got a lot of screen time, like quite a 578 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,720 lot of screen time, but I feel like, well, with 579 00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:16,759 what we're set up here, like I don't know, are 580 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,319 we gonna have a scene at the start of like 581 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,599 season three where people are crying about Jesse, But it's 582 00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:22,799 like two years since we saw this season, people are like, 583 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,680 who's Jesse again? And we're gonna like, like, I just 584 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,839 don't know, like what. It feels like he's kind of 585 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:29,240 too big of a character to kill off on what 586 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,880 just feels like a random death, and like maybe, yeah, 587 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,920 maybe we are gonna deal with the repercussions of that 588 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,079 a lot in the next season, but I don't know that. 589 00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:38,440 That to me also felt like kind of a strange 590 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,359 place to end that character, Like I want some more 591 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,519 resolution on that right now, but I also don't know 592 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:45,640 even though I want it now, two years from now, 593 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,400 I probably won't remember that I wanted that resolution. So 594 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,799 it's just gonna feel weird no matter where they put it. 595 00:25:50,839 --> 00:25:53,920 Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, that's how it goes in the game, 596 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,759 and I wouldn't expect much resolution. I don't think Jesse gets. 597 00:25:57,519 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 2: His body's not going back to Jackson, that's for sure. 598 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:00,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, if you're going back to your 599 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:02,279 question what would you cut. It's like, well, I'd probably 600 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:04,559 cut a lot of stuff with that character if, like 601 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:06,440 we don't really get a satisfying ending for him. 602 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,559 Speaker 4: I guess the idea is And like, I'm not trying 603 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:10,680 to defend it because I'm somebody that like game, I 604 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:12,920 hate the Red Wedding, and I think this is similar 605 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,720 maybe for sounding you like, I think the reason they 606 00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,319 do that is just so I guess you care that 607 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,920 Jesse has been killed, right, Like, at least it's just 608 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,200 not some lame duckah, it's just a side character, not 609 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:25,759 saying that's a good thing or bad thing. I guess 610 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:27,720 that's why they have the scenes there, because they're just 611 00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,839 trying to make you feel invested. And then you have 612 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,960 him and Ellie have this like, you know, good come 613 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,519 to Jesus moment, they understand each other, and then boom. 614 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,279 Speaker 5: He's gone coming to Jesus moment. 615 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,839 Speaker 4: Yeah he definitely had that potentially right now, but yeah, no, 616 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,599 that's exactly how it goes in the game. They burst 617 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,119 to that door and boom, he's he's out of there. 618 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,599 One two three, punch gone, So not even one two three, 619 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:53,599 just yea, yeah, oh I can't remember you guy said 620 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:58,200 something that I was gonna oh with the Abbey thing. Yeah, 621 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,119 it it's gonna be interesting sing to see what happens, 622 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:07,240 because I just uh, Neil said this and Catherine Harris 623 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,200 said this. If they go the game route, season three 624 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,039 is just gonna be nothing but Abby And I don't 625 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,200 know how that show is gonna do. I really don't. 626 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,599 I don't know because it's not it's not a spoiler, 627 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,640 but like because they revealed it, right, But to me, 628 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,880 at least, what propels that Ford of when you switch 629 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,359 to Abbey in the game, you're like, why the fuck 630 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,519 are we doing this? And then they reveal the whole 631 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:30,799 origin thing're like, okay, I'm invested where they've already pulled 632 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:33,119 that magic trick very early, right, And to me it 633 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,920 was a magic trick. I think they botched the whole 634 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,119 Abbey thing. And I know same thing. Neil's like, well, 635 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,079 we couldn't have had that waiting. People would have wondered. 636 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,319 I still think you could have said that because if 637 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,640 you open up with season three, episode one and people 638 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,319 find out it's Abbey episode or season and like, ah, well, 639 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,640 I'm watching this, but you reveal the whole Joel thing, 640 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,920 you go, oh shit, that's something new where I feel 641 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,920 like they've not done a good job of investing people 642 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,640 in this character, so now there's nothing to like. What's 643 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,920 what's the huge pull in for season one episode or 644 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,319 season three episode one. If you don't are investing in Abby, 645 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,519 it's not all, well, don't worry, we got well you're 646 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:06,720 gonna It's like, imagine if you're saying that, but I'm like, hey, 647 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,680 you're gonna learn something and that's gonna get you hooked 648 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,920 into her story. But you guys already know that. And 649 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,720 I feel most people other than I'll show it to 650 00:28:13,799 --> 00:28:16,960 detol Other than him, everybody that I've talked to that's 651 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,960 played hasn't played the game. That's why it's a show 652 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,119 does not like Abby, which is funny because in the 653 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,079 video game that was the same situation. So it doesn't matter. 654 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,279 People like it's just in general don't like the Abbey character. 655 00:28:25,319 --> 00:28:27,400 But at least I'd say, I'm not trying to be 656 00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:32,279 mean here. The I don't know smarter people of the world. 657 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,839 By time Last of Us two had ended, I'm not 658 00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,279 saying you liked Abby, but you completely understood and we're 659 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:39,880 invested in the caraent oh, okay, I completely get out 660 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,920 they're going for here and this is very well win. 661 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,519 But that's one thing in the game for me, like curkly, like, oh, 662 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:46,359 I don't want to wait. That's the thing in the 663 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,559 game that you play as Abby for a long time 664 00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,359 and I did not like that aspect. Because it's not 665 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,079 that I did not like Abby. I just thought you 666 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:55,160 could have truncated a lot of her story into a 667 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,240 shorter amount and you guys can check in the discord. 668 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,880 Now me and Mike we're talking about it's like, Okay, 669 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,039 does Abbie get whole season? Like I think Mike said, like, oh, 670 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,440 shed get at least three episodes. I'm like, to me, 671 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:08,039 that's an episode, one episode, maybe two, because like I 672 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:11,440 feel like enough people watched the show for Pedro Pascal 673 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,079 and he's gone, and now you're gonna say, hey, even 674 00:29:14,119 --> 00:29:18,039 the second lead, Ellie, she's gone too, like for like, 675 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,839 so that's like for me, it's like, I think they 676 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:21,759 can do it most two episodes with just full Abby 677 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,440 because I could see a lot of people checking out, 678 00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,319 going okay, and that's where you could have like you're 679 00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,599 talking about Dylan, Oh this one I remembered, it's not 680 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,319 like the Hunger Games of Harry Potter, we do the 681 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:31,599 part one part two because those can suck, but at 682 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,039 least those are only like four to five hours, right, 683 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,519 it's a shorter span. Once you get those movies, you 684 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:40,039 can easily watch them. This is like fourteen to sixteen 685 00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:41,960 hours of content. Like that's a harder thing to be 686 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:44,279 And now it's like so many years later, right, Like 687 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,240 Hunger Games, Harry Potter, in Finny Ward Endgame, those all 688 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,079 came out a year later. There's not a date for 689 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:50,559 the Last of Us. This one took like two and 690 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,200 a half years. So it's like in two and a 691 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,519 half years. If the follow up is, hey, you're not 692 00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,680 gonna get any more presence day and stuff, but you're 693 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,160 gonna get a lot more flashbacks, I don't know how 694 00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:01,359 much people are gonna be into. And that's where you 695 00:30:01,359 --> 00:30:03,519 could argue, hey, that's great in the game, but maybe 696 00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,359 in the show you should tell those stories maybe concurrently 697 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,200 at the same time or something like that. Right, Like, 698 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,599 I don't know that would remap everything, but I just 699 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:13,279 think it could work better that way because for a show, 700 00:30:13,319 --> 00:30:14,880 I just I just don't know if it's gonna work 701 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,559 for people, because again, it's not even you get season three. 702 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:18,039 It's week to week. It's not like the game where 703 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:20,039 it's one play through, like don't say, it's like, Okay, 704 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,480 you're gonna get fed this over the next six to 705 00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:23,319 seven weeks. 706 00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, well, like, as someone that doesn't play the game, 707 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:29,440 I don't I like, how much of Abby do you follow? 708 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:32,279 Is it literally from that hospital and tell the meetup? 709 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 4: So you all those because that's why they cast actors 710 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:39,319 like Anora, right, like Tati Gabriel, she's a great actress. 711 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,839 They cast those characters because you learn all about their 712 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,559 backstories in the game, Like they're all gonna come back 713 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,079 and like, yeah, the Joel episode we got last week, 714 00:30:47,079 --> 00:30:50,799 you're gonna get like multiple episodes about like oh in and. 715 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 3: Man, see that lady get impregnated exactly. 716 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a whole can of worms to that 717 00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:59,119 story too. I'm not saying it's bad stuff, but you're 718 00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,680 gonna learn. 719 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,519 Speaker 1: Depending how they do it, I think how it ended, 720 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:03,880 a part of me was like, well, maybe it's not 721 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,960 gonna be a whole season of Abby because it started 722 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,960 with Seattle day one, and then I'm like, oh, maybe 723 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,640 it's just gonna be like the Seattle roundup, like like 724 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,799 you could have some flashbacks I guess to like earlier 725 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:15,279 stuff with those characters like you just mentioned. I guess 726 00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:16,759 they didn't have that. It would be like, why did 727 00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:18,839 we even waste time with these characters to to not 728 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,519 even give substance to their backstory. But yeah, no, I 729 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,920 think you make some great points there, just like how 730 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,559 they're gonna be pitching that next season for the viewers 731 00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,160 that maybe were already because that was me at the 732 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:32,920 start of the season. I'm like, man, I missed Pedro 733 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,799 a lot, Like I love Joel and just Pedro's portrayal 734 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,759 of the character, and I felt like I was missing 735 00:31:38,799 --> 00:31:42,200 a lot of him. So yeah, I obviously missed him 736 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640 in his death episode, but it was even worse because 737 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,359 I knew that. It's like, oh, I'm just knocktting him 738 00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,319 the season and then yeah, I was missing he's done 739 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:49,359 the way. 740 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 4: Because that scene from last week the porch again, that's 741 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,279 at the end of the game. And even when you 742 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,920 watch the behind the scenes with Pedro, it was a 743 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,279 full like oh my last status that oh you know, 744 00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,200 they could always all we're gonna do as a ghost 745 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,079 or something. But like I think the intention right now 746 00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:06,160 is yeah, he's done, like because again, those flashbacks are 747 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,599 sprinkled throughout the game, but in this show, that's at 748 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,599 least one thing they did change. 749 00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:12,759 Speaker 3: It's for one episode, So yeah, yeah, I don't know. 750 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,200 I wonder if there would have been like, this is 751 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,000 probably a pretty crazy idea, but I don't know if 752 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000 they did more of like a baton pass of like 753 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:23,039 really just close off the Lee storyline here, like definitively 754 00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:25,880 and then yeah, like just spin off like season three 755 00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,319 just being Abby or like other characters or whatever, and 756 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,279 just make it like almost like anthology just like people 757 00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:33,559 in this world and what they're doing. I understand that 758 00:32:33,559 --> 00:32:36,079 would be like a pretty bold choice to do, but like, 759 00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:38,640 I don't know, it just feels like a really roundabout 760 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,440 way to do this, especially when you're talking about how 761 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,200 like long of a wait is. 762 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,599 Speaker 1: They changed the title to the Last of Them, it's 763 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:45,480 not even the last of Us. 764 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that'd be tough because even this story 765 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,000 stills like multiple years, so you couldn't really I don't 766 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:54,279 think you could close off Ellie's story without kind of 767 00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:56,799 because then you could get to Abby's story, but then 768 00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,759 you would just know, like everything or if I guess, 769 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,680 if you rush through at all, but then I don't know, 770 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,480 it's a different situation. 771 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:06,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't know what happens, 772 00:33:06,319 --> 00:33:07,920 and I don't want you to do any you know, 773 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,039 hinting with your eyes of what happens here, but like 774 00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:14,720 you know, Ellie is such a Ellie deserves to just 775 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,680 you know, have gone yourself killed at this point. So 776 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,440 you know, I'm kind of hoping that, uh, that bullet 777 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,079 does it, but I'm sure that's not that simple. I 778 00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:24,799 don't know. We'll see no, I no, I all right. 779 00:33:24,839 --> 00:33:27,119 Speaker 4: I forgot, No, I forgot. I'm in the bowl. I'm like, 780 00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:29,039 did she get your forgot? The episode ended with like 781 00:33:29,079 --> 00:33:30,200 the the Gun. 782 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: Show, Yeah, which was such a hard transition. I had 783 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,279 to watch it twys and'm like, sorry, what the fuck 784 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,559 just happened? Like now we're back in the day and 785 00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,519 then like credits roll like it was insane and not 786 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,000 in like a good fun cliffhangway, but in like a what. 787 00:33:42,119 --> 00:33:44,359 Speaker 4: And before it hasn't gone Like don't get me wrong, 788 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,079 Like I agree with super Mike, but Abby's a great character, 789 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,240 so their son's gonna be good stuff. And even like 790 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:52,400 once you meet up to present day tons of great stuff. 791 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,759 I'm not even saying like it's it's great stuff. I 792 00:33:54,759 --> 00:33:57,200 think it's just it's in the game. I had issues 793 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,839 how they told a story, and then now even the show, 794 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,720 I think it could be even like inflated of how 795 00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:03,519 it could be because it works much as different. But 796 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,200 there's still great stub ahead and I think there's still 797 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,920 gonna stuff you'r bind your nails on. There's great like 798 00:34:08,039 --> 00:34:10,800 Ellie content and stuff. But yeah, you've been quiet. 799 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,199 Speaker 6: I think again, this episode just got me more pissed 800 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:18,360 off at Ellie as a character. But I don't have 801 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,599 the comparison of the game, so I don't know exactly 802 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,119 if if what's. 803 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 4: That I said, what pissed you off pissed me. 804 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,559 Speaker 6: Off at how much of her her rage and her 805 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:32,320 revenge is just making horrible mistakes. I didn't like when 806 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,719 she says like, yo, fuck the community, man. I know 807 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,360 she has her grievances with certain community members and certain 808 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,920 things there, but I would have felt like maybe it 809 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,280 would have impacted her and if she would have changed 810 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,079 a little bit. But then you've made that case in point, like, 811 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,960 oh you know she is who she is already and 812 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,159 it's just gonna keep on growing down that path. 813 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 5: So I get that. 814 00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:52,519 Speaker 4: And do you not think Joel would have done the 815 00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:54,880 same thing. Joel would be staying there saying fuck the 816 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,719 community if the situation was switched and he watched Ellie 817 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,159 to death with a golf club and they voted against 818 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,639 none not to go to think the guy who murdered. 819 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 3: You didn't even have to die for him to go 820 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:06,239 on around. 821 00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 4: Do you think the guy who murdered like almost thirty 822 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,880 people in a hospital and cold blood who, as Neil 823 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,199 Drumman confirmed, I heard you guys talking about last week, 824 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,199 it wasn't act it's a cure. It's not like, oh, 825 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:18,920 where they could they've met? No, it was a full 826 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,000 They could have saved the world Joel. All in all, 827 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:28,079 they and it doesn't matter he killed those thirty, he 828 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:31,559 killed like, I don't know, hundreds more in the future 829 00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,840 for that decision. Like, and the same thing with Abby. 830 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,360 She did the same thing Ellie did right of, Like, Okay, 831 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,119 she went there, killed Joel, but how many people as 832 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:39,960 she caused Like it's kind of the theme of this 833 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,000 game is they're all making really bad choices with all 834 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:45,039 kind of you know, it's don't give it her the 835 00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:47,280 rage because look at all the people that have died 836 00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:50,119 from Okay, Joel did this, Okay, now Abby did this, 837 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,880 now Ali did this. Like they're all the same car 838 00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:55,920 just to you know, different colors, and it's true. 839 00:35:56,159 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 6: But yeah, like I just it's hard to see, like, Okay, 840 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,400 she wants to help these the religious kid or whatnot. 841 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 5: I get it's just a kid. She wants to help that. 842 00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,800 But then didn't they just see that these religious. 843 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,079 Speaker 6: Folks just cutting people's guts out too, And then sure enough, 844 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,199 here she is. She's almost gonna get her guts cut 845 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,400 out and hung by the religious folks. So it's just 846 00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:18,760 she's making bad decisions with top of bad decisions. And 847 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,800 it's funny because when you see that scene where Tommy 848 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,000 walks in and Tommy, you just there's tension between Jesse 849 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,159 and tension with with Ellie and Tommy's there and I 850 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,440 just feel like he's like, well, okay, I'm gonna go 851 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,000 pack the duffles and he walks off, and I think 852 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,440 there's just this there's this old generation and this young generation, 853 00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,480 and it's just like, I don't know how this young 854 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,880 generation is gonna, like would handle taking over into. 855 00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 5: The world, like fuck the community, and Tommy's like, I'll 856 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:51,199 go pack to Duffels. It's like this justs we're getting generation. 857 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,239 We're gonna have political now. 858 00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:54,559 Speaker 4: Like we said, we were just talking about Joel and 859 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:57,719 he's Tommy's generation. He would have been like, fuck the community. 860 00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 5: So like, I don't think he would have said fuck 861 00:37:00,039 --> 00:37:00,519 the community. 862 00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:04,039 Speaker 4: He would have lied the community the second the boat ended, 863 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:05,840 not his way, just killed them down. 864 00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:07,960 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we're not we're not going after them, 865 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,960 right and then yeah, I know where, Yeah. 866 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 2: He was going to Seattle. 867 00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jackson would be burnt to the fucking ground. 868 00:37:19,199 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 3: Oh but quick, quick, sorry. When she's sucking on the 869 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,599 boat going to the aquarium and then it's like hit 870 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,480 by a wave and then she's like on this island 871 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,800 for five minutes, like and then they she just gets 872 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,360 away and like beat any of that, not in the game. 873 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,039 Not add any tension for you guys, that she got 874 00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,039 hit by this wave. My boat was like that killed 875 00:37:38,599 --> 00:37:39,719 at the dock again. 876 00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:43,639 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, did you lose your horse along the way there? 877 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,400 John Marson like that's what that was. 878 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,159 Speaker 3: Like, that's not close to the shore, Like it doesn't 879 00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:49,000 make any sense, Like I. 880 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 4: Know, game, I think they just added to be like 881 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:52,440 we need action beat here for the viewers. But like 882 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,679 this was it felt. I was looking whack and then 883 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,599 it fell like a dream sequence the way it was happening. 884 00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:57,920 She was like, Oh, this can't be real. Maybe she 885 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,320 got a concussion and she's thinking she's gonna wake up. 886 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,639 I know, it's weird, like Okay, for two minutes they're 887 00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:04,679 gonna maybe kill and then back to the mission. So yeah, 888 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,920 not a game thing, very odd choice. 889 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:10,920 Speaker 6: I know Ellie is not probably handled a boat before. 890 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,280 But I'm gonna each one of you guys want the answer. 891 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,199 You see your you're on your boat. You see the 892 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:15,920 big wave coming. 893 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 5: Are you just gonna go fucking sideways next to this wave. 894 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 4: Supposed to get I'm gonna stand. I'm gonna stand and 895 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:21,519 jump into it. 896 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:28,760 Speaker 3: You know that, you know when you and honestly Stitch, Yeah, 897 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,400 maybe that's what you're supposed to do because you can 898 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,920 ride out the wave. I would have tried that too, 899 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:34,960 you know what I do. 900 00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,199 Speaker 4: I see the lightning waves and go fuck this. 901 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,559 Speaker 5: That's what I mean. 902 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: Like, so as she gets on the boat and it's 903 00:38:40,519 --> 00:38:44,760 just like pitch black lightning like killer waves. And you know, 904 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:46,840 I've only played the first game and she can't even 905 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,840 swim in that game. I'm like, man, like, what is 906 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:49,400 she doing here? 907 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,280 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean anything? I forgot to be able to conquer this, which. 908 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 4: I get it because it's they're a tack plan. But 909 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:56,559 even so that the family like to eyes against team 910 00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:58,599 like this is a terrible attack plan, Like I get 911 00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,000 it going night Storm won't expect it, but like. 912 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 2: We lost half our forwards before we've been hit the beach. 913 00:39:04,159 --> 00:39:06,119 Speaker 4: There's literally lightning on the water. They're like, all right, 914 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,400 killed the headlights. It's like, oh my god, it's gonna 915 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,079 go really poorly for you guys. 916 00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:13,440 Speaker 5: So with two more things. 917 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,880 Speaker 6: So that's a great point because in Ellie's rage, it 918 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,000 was just driving me nuts that she sees two guys 919 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,760 on the dock and she was about to just fire 920 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,199 off the area with her handgun. 921 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,360 Speaker 5: She's shaking the fucking thing like she was no skill. 922 00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:27,800 Speaker 1: Like, don't don't shoot those guys, guys, don't don't draw attention. 923 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, what, already fired three shots, let's go. 924 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 6: That was just so aggravating that that moment and then 925 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,199 all of a sudden there's a whole fleet of fucking 926 00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:36,159 boats and there's like an army of fifty guys walking 927 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,280 up on the docks. After that, it's just bullshit, But 928 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,119 that's her, that's her rage, and that's her building up 929 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,639 more and more to making a bad decision. And then 930 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,760 the other thing that I have a problem with too 931 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,480 is how everyone just fucking teleports here. Jesse and uh, 932 00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,800 Tommy just fucking appear in the aquarium tunnels out of 933 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,400 fucking nowhere, and then Abby just appears in the theater. 934 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 5: Because they're just fucking teleporting. I don't get it. How 935 00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,840 do they know where everyone the fuck is? 936 00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,679 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well Ellie literally said I'm going to the aquarium. 937 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,480 She literally said you follow me, and just like I'm 938 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,360 gonna save Tommy. 939 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 5: But they knew, like we're going to tunnels. 940 00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:14,760 Speaker 4: Well, well it's just like I'm sure you your gun shots, 941 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,360 like I don't know, like that one I can believe, 942 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,079 and the Abbey one, like you'll get there, like they 943 00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:21,800 explained it. But like it's not just like, well you 944 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,239 get a whole season of find out. 945 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,880 Speaker 3: Abby's not like you think she randomly was in the theater. 946 00:40:26,119 --> 00:40:28,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, she's not like putting her finger and putting it 947 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,000 like all the wind. 948 00:40:29,519 --> 00:40:32,519 Speaker 6: So far from what I've seen, that's what that's what 949 00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:33,280 I gotta work with. 950 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:34,239 Speaker 5: But I don't know. 951 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,039 Speaker 4: To me in the show, they said, hey, I'm going 952 00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:37,840 to the aquarium. They show up with the aquarium. 953 00:40:38,039 --> 00:40:38,599 Speaker 5: I get that. 954 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 6: They even explained in this episode too, how Jesse found out. Okay, 955 00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:43,719 they were stationed at the theater. I still am trying 956 00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,400 to wrap my head around how Jesse found them in 957 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,679 like Clicker Heaven with the smart clicks thet they literally 958 00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:50,320 said that two weeks ago was the map. 959 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's like, oh, nice job, he says, Ellen 960 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,440 wasn't me because remember Ellian didn't have that whole flirting 961 00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,559 thing about how yeah the show. 962 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 3: There you know, jumping off something Taylor you were talking 963 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,039 about there of you know, her just being on this 964 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,639 rage revenge fueled journey. You know, I thought that was 965 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,079 something that I was intrigued to see. 966 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:12,159 Speaker 2: What. 967 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 3: You know, she gets into the tunnels and she kills 968 00:41:14,039 --> 00:41:17,920 these two people accidentally, she says, and then this baby dies, 969 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,320 which obviously is like very close to where she is 970 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,599 with dianaon and the pregnancy and all that. H and 971 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,000 then you know, they they eventually we just kind of 972 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,880 skip once again, we teleport so to your point. He 973 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:31,079 teleport back to the theater and you know there and 974 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,159 Tommy asked her like, hey, are you gonna be chill 975 00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:33,400 with this? 976 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:33,920 Speaker 2: Like are you okay? 977 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:35,519 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Ellie's still out there, and she's like, 978 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,039 I guess I'm gonna have to be. But like I 979 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,320 immediately want like a little bit more resolution of that, 980 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,199 Like how how is she gonna feel about this? Is 981 00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,159 she gonna get over it? Is she like realizing all 982 00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:48,320 the people I've killed for this revenge it's like not 983 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,679 worth it, and now killed this like pregnant lady and 984 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,840 like all these change of heart. But like, we're not 985 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,079 gonna get that now because obviously Abby's here in the 986 00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,760 theater already killed her friends. So whatever, maybe if she 987 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,920 was right over that hill of forgiving Abby and like 988 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,400 moving on or changing her personality at all, I feel 989 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,159 like we're not gonna get that now, because you know, 990 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,079 she just killed her best friend in front of her. 991 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:10,039 Who knows, maybe she just kills her right there, Maybe 992 00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:11,800 she kills Tommy. I don't know exactly what's gonna happen, 993 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,440 but you know, I feel like that's what a lot 994 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,400 of the season was building up towards is like either 995 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:19,519 that final moment where she gets her revenge or a 996 00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:22,039 turn of heart where she realizes that that's not like 997 00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:24,119 going to fix her problems. You know, it's not gonna 998 00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:26,519 bring Joel back and all that. So, yeah, I think 999 00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:29,719 I wanted a bit more. I was kind of excited 1000 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,599 to go down that road because I've with you, Taylor, 1001 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,039 like I'm so anti Ellie this season that I was 1002 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,719 hoping like maybe she has a change of heart and 1003 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,239 like can have this character growth moment. But yeah, I 1004 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,719 don't feel like we're really propped up for that. 1005 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:41,199 Speaker 2: At this point. 1006 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,559 Speaker 3: And I'll find out in seven years, I guess. Or 1007 00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:49,119 I can go play the game, maybe do. 1008 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 2: The YouTube movie. 1009 00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the YouTube movie. Yeah, you guys are talking 1010 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,320 about that. Mike's point theory is the show makes Allen 1011 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,440 more sympathetic. In the game, she basically has no regrets 1012 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,679 and does even cruel things and yeah, that's uh, she 1013 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,320 didn't kill those people in accident in the video game, like, uh, 1014 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,159 Owen rushes her and then they fight and she shoots 1015 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,760 Owen and then she gets in like a knife fight 1016 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:13,960 with mel and then just you er a bit of both. 1017 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,119 Bor it's cut scene and then it's like, literally. 1018 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Travis, you were just the yeah the people. 1019 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,039 Speaker 4: But no, it's literally like you tap square and you 1020 00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:26,239 turn the knife and you like stick the knife in. Yeah. 1021 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,280 So that that was an issue for me, and that's 1022 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,639 where I think a lot of the season has done that, 1023 00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,880 where they've softened the edges and around Ellie and I 1024 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,920 don't really don't really know why. I think they're like 1025 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,280 because there's a full journey with that character, and I 1026 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,599 think there's stuff that like they'll touch upon that you know, 1027 00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,400 don maybe you're hoping down the line, but it's just 1028 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,039 like I don't. It's like they want the best of 1029 00:43:48,039 --> 00:43:50,559 both worlds. They want Ellie to commit this bad act, 1030 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,519 but at the same time like, well, they don't want 1031 00:43:52,519 --> 00:43:54,360 her to be too bad. It's like, we don't want 1032 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,039 you to like maybe not so funny the way that 1033 00:43:58,039 --> 00:43:59,760 you guys were talking. That's why I find it so 1034 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,360 fa fascinating, because the way you guys are talking about 1035 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,719 Ellie in this show, I don't feel that at all, 1036 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,159 because that's how it was in the game, where everyone 1037 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,920 was like, man, Ellie's a really bad person, Like look 1038 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,039 at these things she's doing. But in the game it 1039 00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:15,480 was like ten times. It's like, I guess you guys 1040 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,519 would just hate her in the game because it's like 1041 00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:20,239 like way more worse as far as the things she's 1042 00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,599 doing and how hard she's going where. To me, in 1043 00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:26,760 the show, it's just very like, oh shucks, I shot 1044 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,480 this pregnant lady, and to me, that killed all like, 1045 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:32,559 what the what we're kind of leading towards and some stuff. 1046 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:34,400 And they did add what happens in the game the 1047 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,800 whole like which I did appreciate that, Oh, cut the 1048 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,840 baby out stuff like that. That's not the game. She 1049 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,280 shoots her, she does freak out because she sees the belly, 1050 00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,519 but then Tommy and Jesse are there, right, we gotta 1051 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,079 get the fuck out of here, and they leave. So 1052 00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:46,960 I did actually like that scene, but I don't know 1053 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:51,400 why why they took make her like I said, Ooopsie, 1054 00:44:51,559 --> 00:44:53,159 I shot her. Damn that sucks, you know. 1055 00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: So toasted you guys. I'm not in their camp, I said, 1056 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,960 I met. Sorry, No, I feel like in the vicious 1057 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:03,960 nature of Ellie, I think my holdbacks on like fully 1058 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,119 being bought in is kind of what you highlighted there Travis, 1059 00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:10,239 how like it seems like she's very like I understand 1060 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,280 why she is the way she is. And then it 1061 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,360 gets to a moment when she's like like super emotional 1062 00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,079 about killing someone. And then and then it's just like 1063 00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:20,760 you said, it's like they're trying to do both sides 1064 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,000 of it, where like she's super vicious but also very 1065 00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:26,360 regretful of these moments. And I thought that scene was 1066 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,599 like that was the one that made me gasp, like 1067 00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:31,079 when it was revealed that mel was was pregnant, and 1068 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:33,840 then it's just like and then here's a scene where 1069 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,960 I just thought, like Bella totally sold on the emotion 1070 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:40,360 of like just thinking of like where Dina is, and 1071 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,960 like the line that just like totally like like shook 1072 00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:45,559 me in the sense of like how fucked up the 1073 00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:48,159 situation was. When the chicks like make the incision, She's 1074 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,400 like how deep. It's like deeper than you would think 1075 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,920 because like obviously she wouldn't want to like poke the feet, right, 1076 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,679 because yeah, like it's just like such a brutal situation. 1077 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,559 And then you get thinking of like what the fuck 1078 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,719 is even gonna happen here, like if she actually delivers 1079 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,960 the baby, like she has to like take care of it, 1080 00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:05,239 feed it, Like it just doesn't make sense at all 1081 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,599 when you actually think about like the logistics of that. 1082 00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,960 And then of course it like set in like for 1083 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,639 her realizing that, and then she just kind of like 1084 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:13,880 lowers the shirt over the belly. Like that was just 1085 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,159 such a fucked up like situation, and I thought it 1086 00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,400 just added so much more to like the scene was 1087 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,400 already like she doesn't want to kill these people, she 1088 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,199 wants answers whatever, but like revealing that that lady's pregnant, 1089 00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:27,119 and then she's just like totally bleeding out and it's 1090 00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,039 like did you get it? 1091 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 2: You're doing awesome. It's like, oh no, this is so bad. 1092 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,000 Speaker 3: Her instructions were horrendous. 1093 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,159 Speaker 1: She was calm at first, right like like you have 1094 00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:38,800 a knife, get over here, let's just get going. 1095 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,480 Speaker 4: I think I think the club loss kind of got 1096 00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:43,519 to her. You know, I've never been slicing. 1097 00:46:43,639 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 3: She was that bad. 1098 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 5: Oh no, that hit an artery for sure. 1099 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,760 Speaker 2: It looked like an. 1100 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:54,760 Speaker 4: It looked like a flash room. And she's like, oh no, 1101 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,000 it's it's over for you. 1102 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,559 Speaker 6: Like it's a weird thought to think too, Like if 1103 00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:01,360 she did save the baby and and Abby appears in 1104 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:08,679 the theater and then just sees Ellie with her friend's baby. 1105 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 4: Hey Shields, you know, like like, oh my god, Well, 1106 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,360 do you think I was gonna give up Tommy a 1107 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:15,320 lot quicker for a trade? 1108 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 6: Like? 1109 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 4: I think so? Right, if you got a baby to trade, 1110 00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,360 it's like, hey, you give me Tommy, I'll give you 1111 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:19,840 the baby. 1112 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 2: Let's called Abby's not taking that trade? Come on? 1113 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:32,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, square, Yeah. 1114 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think just finished off my Ellie thoughts there. 1115 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,719 I'm kind of hoping that she's even more vicious come 1116 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,920 come next season if she's not dead. 1117 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,159 Speaker 4: I don't think she's dead, right. 1118 00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,119 Speaker 6: But yeah, So do you think that gun shot at 1119 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:46,920 the in the like the final scene, do you think 1120 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,760 that was Abby firing the shut off for shot? Do 1121 00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,440 you think it was a third party fire and a shot? 1122 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:52,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1123 00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: I was talking Shane and I were kind of theorizing 1124 00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,360 that Abby is the one that gets shot by someone 1125 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:58,559 in that situation. 1126 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:04,000 Speaker 2: To it, I'm just. 1127 00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:08,559 Speaker 1: Bad, are fucking wasn't like anywhere in that. 1128 00:48:08,519 --> 00:48:10,679 Speaker 3: Fun It was probably right, Yeah, it's probably Dina. 1129 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that. 1130 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:17,199 Speaker 1: Would be my thoughts because one hundred percent sure off herself, 1131 00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,840 that would be bad. 1132 00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,760 Speaker 5: Just what happened, and they find Dina. 1133 00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:22,679 Speaker 2: Just oh Dina. 1134 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,599 Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, I don't know if that twist works. 1135 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,639 Speaker 3: Maybe it's Dina, but she had like some crazy collad 1136 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,639 angle and like clips both of them in the same 1137 00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,320 way that Ellie clipped both those people. That'd be great. 1138 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,119 Both of them go down together at the same time. 1139 00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,280 You know they're they're revenge led them to each other, 1140 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,480 dying in each other's arm poets poetic, yeah, Shakespearean. 1141 00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:46,039 Speaker 2: If any. 1142 00:48:47,559 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 3: Turns out they're both pregnant as well, just like keep 1143 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:50,519 slapping on. 1144 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,360 Speaker 5: Everyone's pregnant in this. 1145 00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 2: Make the decision. 1146 00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,400 Speaker 1: Oh okay, let's take another break and then we'll keep 1147 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,480 going here. All right, we're back, Someone take us away. 1148 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,920 Speaker 3: I got a question for you guys, the other factions 1149 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,440 going on here. We got Jeffrey Wright, we got some 1150 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:15,719 other people. Is this like not a complete zero for 1151 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,159 any of you guys? Like, what was any of this? 1152 00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:19,880 None of this did anything for me? 1153 00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,440 Speaker 2: Uh, it's not a complete zero for me. 1154 00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:26,840 Speaker 1: I did like some of the sequences that we got, 1155 00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,159 Like with Isaac character, I was really intrigued by that. 1156 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,719 I feel let down now just because we haven't had 1157 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,159 any more beyond that. Point, like I'm not even like 1158 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,400 counting the scene that him and that other lady had 1159 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,159 in this in this episode when they're looking for a 1160 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,679 quick it just seems like, again, like this probably could 1161 00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,480 have been safe for next season if it's gonna be 1162 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,400 an Abby centered season. Like I like the performance. I 1163 00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,800 like the torture scene that was just like a really 1164 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:53,840 like like like they've shown good stuff in it, but 1165 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,440 it really feels like, Okay, this is future content with 1166 00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,639 these factions that were kind of being introduced to here. 1167 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,360 But with that being said, like I think we could 1168 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,320 have cut down on it just because we didn't really 1169 00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,079 dive fully into the situation. So that's kind of my 1170 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,199 thoughts there. I think there are some interesting things shown, 1171 00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,840 but now that we're at the end of the season, 1172 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,039 I think I would have preferred to save a lot of. 1173 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:15,760 Speaker 2: Those scenes for the future. 1174 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,800 Speaker 1: Like I probably would have kept the scene when Dina 1175 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,280 and Ellie find them for the first time, like when 1176 00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:22,880 they're looking for Abby, they come across the walls that 1177 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,920 are just gutted and it's just like, what the fuck 1178 00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:26,880 is happening here and they just get caught in the 1179 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,679 middle of the situation. 1180 00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 2: I think there's some good juice there. 1181 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, in terms of like their importance for the season, 1182 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,800 it's it's pretty pretty negligible. 1183 00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 2: I think they got. 1184 00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,760 Speaker 4: Another naked guy to fucking interrogate though, you know, and 1185 00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:41,960 they're taking his clothes off. Remember the scar this episode. Yeah, 1186 00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,280 you know, Isaac's gonna be burning as fucking little pecker 1187 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:47,440 off coming up soon. And so the only thing I'll 1188 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,360 say with the asterix, because I'll say no where it's going. 1189 00:50:49,519 --> 00:50:51,599 I think the only thing it does for this is 1190 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,079 it's a minor scene but just sets up how Ellie 1191 00:50:54,079 --> 00:50:56,039 and kru can maybe navigate a bit better because a 1192 00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:58,840 lot of their forces are not currently in that situation, 1193 00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,719 like they're all off of fighting and whatnot. Like there's 1194 00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,280 like twelve boats of soldiers. So I think that's the 1195 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,639 only thing it does, is how can she get around 1196 00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:09,280 here or there? How like? Cause again, when she pulled 1197 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,320 up to the aquerum, there's a bunch of people on guard, right, 1198 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,760 but then those people left because while we're going to 1199 00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,320 war right now. So that's the only thing I'd say 1200 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,280 it ads is Okay, it's a reason you could still 1201 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,000 do that in the show and then explain it later. 1202 00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:21,159 I'm not saying I kind of agree with Kirkland. Looking 1203 00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,639 at it all now, you probably could have left everything 1204 00:51:24,159 --> 00:51:25,960 with them, even Jeffrey right like, and I even like 1205 00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:28,880 Jeffy Wright's introduction with the van and the whole exploding everybody, like, 1206 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,960 I like all that. You probably could have left that 1207 00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:34,199 maybe next year. But I think for the logistics, it's 1208 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,159 just like, Okay, how do we explain that the wolves 1209 00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:39,920 are a little lowered right now? Okay, they got their 1210 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,159 own main ejective. They're not looking for Joel's fucking killer 1211 00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:48,920 right now, you know, or Joel's daughter. That's Abby. Actually, 1212 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:52,360 they are looking for Joel's killer. He's that's whole. Aveye, 1213 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,440 she's our leader. I did like that when they're like, 1214 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,599 well we got Manny and Owen. She He's like, we 1215 00:51:56,719 --> 00:51:59,360 got lots of Manny and Owen's like, where the fuck's Abby? Like? 1216 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,039 So yeah, the uh. 1217 00:52:03,079 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 6: I think everything could have been either the heavy stuff 1218 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,360 with Jeffrey Wright and these other characters could have been 1219 00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,320 pushed to the next season. And like you said earlier, Kirklan, 1220 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,719 I think Abby could have been out of this episode 1221 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,360 entirely and just put into the next season. 1222 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,159 Speaker 5: I don't think we needed her so. 1223 00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:22,840 Speaker 6: I think she's showing the threat and showing the wolves 1224 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,639 that are present and all that. I think that's fine, 1225 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000 but not having them be a main focus, just have 1226 00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,559 them pop up doing the odd little thing like okay, 1227 00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:31,599 because to me that feels video gaming when you're just 1228 00:52:31,599 --> 00:52:33,719 you're trying, you're seeing your characters, you're moving around the city, 1229 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,440 and you have these other forces just popping up and 1230 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,039 it's like a third party. It's like, okay, yeah, we're 1231 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:39,119 just gonna keep on avoiding them. And there there's obviously 1232 00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,199 another narrative that's unfolding and going on, but we're not 1233 00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:42,960 really paying mine to it. The main thing is just 1234 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,960 you're trying to find this one specific character. That's something 1235 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,880 I would have liked them to just keep focused on 1236 00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:53,599 instead of just getting these long sequences with Jeffrey right 1237 00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,599 torturing and Jeffrey right, yeah, blowing up a van full 1238 00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:59,039 of soldiers and all that stuff, and them talking about 1239 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:01,079 don't go to level B you Like, I didn't need 1240 00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:02,719 to hear the whole sequence I'm talking about it's in 1241 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:04,480 the air now, Like I would have thought that would 1242 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,159 it would the situation would have been informative enough of 1243 00:53:07,159 --> 00:53:10,000 them going down there and and Abby chasing the girl 1244 00:53:10,119 --> 00:53:11,920 or Allye chasing the girl and seeing like the sports 1245 00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,760 coming out of their mouth. So I don't need all 1246 00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,840 these long setups with these different characters. But I mean, 1247 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,800 at the end of the day, like the war is 1248 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,280 going to be kind of cool to see, I guess 1249 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,679 while the war's are already over. I don't know why 1250 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,000 they've got with Seattle on what I saw. They've got 1251 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,760 the whole football stadium, They've got everything Seattle Seahawks, everything 1252 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,360 on their team, and they got the whole like farming 1253 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,880 and community and the soldiers, they got the whole army, 1254 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,119 they got the Navy on their side, and they're going 1255 00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:39,239 against the Sunday squad. 1256 00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,119 Speaker 5: Sunday Squad. 1257 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 6: I don't understand why they're like dealing with this like 1258 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,079 it it should be. 1259 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,360 Speaker 4: An easy I'm sure that's what the orcs on'm tron 1260 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,679 the King till air Goorne go off that fucking boat, right, 1261 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,039 and you never know what's on that boat? Well said, yeah, 1262 00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,280 just saying I'm not saying the army the Dad's coming out. 1263 00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:59,079 There's no fucking magic for you guys. 1264 00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:03,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, my head cannon now at least summons. 1265 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:05,679 Speaker 3: MEEO Mortison casting for season three. 1266 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,280 Speaker 1: You know what happens that the gunshot goes off, it 1267 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,000 fades the black, and then just the the dead comes out. 1268 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,039 Speaker 4: I'm back. I don't know the king is dead. Yeah, no, 1269 00:54:14,159 --> 00:54:16,679 I will spoil that. There's no fucking ghosts in this. 1270 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,760 But you never know what people have going on, Taylor, you. 1271 00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,159 Speaker 6: Know, I yeah, I guess, but I feel like they've 1272 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,840 really come to know their enemy. And I mean, I 1273 00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,239 guess you don't want a Russian and wage war right away. 1274 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,840 You want to hold off. And I don't know if 1275 00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,480 they've been diplomatic with them, but from what I've seen, 1276 00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:34,400 they like to whistle and. 1277 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,400 Speaker 5: They got no guns and they got. 1278 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,760 Speaker 4: On the flip side. Though, how do you know they're 1279 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,000 not just over there like doing the fucking what was that? 1280 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:44,119 What was that planet? 1281 00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:44,239 Speaker 5: On? 1282 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 4: And or episode seven eight nine? Gorman? How do you 1283 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:48,679 know that just got Gorman over there? 1284 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 5: What do you mean? 1285 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:52,920 Speaker 4: Because they're going to war, but how do you know, 1286 00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,360 Like when you see the explosion everything, how do you 1287 00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:56,719 know it's just not the wolves just like massacring them 1288 00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,239 and they're like, we're gonna extinct these people. 1289 00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,360 Speaker 5: Oh, the wolves are extincting them. I know, for sure. 1290 00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:01,920 Speaker 4: Okay, but that's it when you're like, oh, I don't 1291 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,280 know why they're doing this. What if that's just that 1292 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,000 they're just like, Oh, we're just gonna take them out tonight. 1293 00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:09,159 I can't say getting gutted and investigating naked people and shit, 1294 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:09,920 well I can't. 1295 00:55:10,119 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 6: Well, I can't say that the wolves are probably all 1296 00:55:12,599 --> 00:55:14,719 the most friendliest and nicest of people because the only 1297 00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:17,400 foundation I have is based on what Abby's actions were. 1298 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:18,840 Speaker 5: They went out and they killed Joel. 1299 00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,519 Speaker 6: So the only thing I can really base this on 1300 00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:27,760 is the fact that I'm they probably sent over some 1301 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,840 guy to go figure out what's going on, and then 1302 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,719 the religious folks just strung them up, cut the organs out, 1303 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,960 which we've seen plenty of times now, they capture people. 1304 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,599 And again I'm not saying the wolves are are the 1305 00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:42,840 good guys, but these these religious folks don't seem like 1306 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,760 they're very diplomatic. They don't seem like they want to hear, 1307 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,320 they don't seem like they want to chat. They just 1308 00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:52,039 want to kill and whatnot. But it's unfortunate because they 1309 00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:53,920 do have kids. They're trying to live their own life. 1310 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,360 But I don't know, like you don't just break out 1311 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,519 into war. Obviously that something would happen between these two factions. 1312 00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:02,280 But again, that's that's all stuff that could have been 1313 00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,079 saved more for season three. And I feel like we 1314 00:56:04,159 --> 00:56:06,440 got that whole scene of the group walking through the 1315 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,239 woods and they were establishing these things, and I feel 1316 00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,239 like they've established them too early because I feel like 1317 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,079 a lot of that is unanswered in the season and 1318 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:17,039 I want to know more about what's going on, but 1319 00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,480 it has convoluted because you have Jesse. He's like, this 1320 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,480 isn't our war. We're just I don't want to die here. 1321 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:23,800 Let's get out of here. Let's get out of here. 1322 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:25,559 And so that's that's where I stand. I'm with Jesse, 1323 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,800 like we don't need all this stuff in this season. 1324 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 5: Save it for season three. 1325 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,239 Speaker 4: That's not just paraphrasy, you know, Jesse isn't breaking the 1326 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,000 fourth wall for those that didn't watch the Nights. 1327 00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:35,840 Speaker 2: Looking at the camera. 1328 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:36,800 Speaker 3: We didn't need to have it. 1329 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,679 Speaker 4: If we go right now, I can make it a 1330 00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:47,800 season three. Please. Anything else? 1331 00:56:50,119 --> 00:56:50,559 Speaker 2: Much else? 1332 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,760 Speaker 5: That Grover book, huh, thank you? 1333 00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1334 00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,599 Speaker 2: Sponsor the other book? Anybody read that back in the day. 1335 00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 5: No I missed. That was a heavy retro Retrospect. 1336 00:57:04,199 --> 00:57:06,039 Speaker 1: That was a great children's book that was a heavy 1337 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:07,840 rotation in my house. 1338 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,360 Speaker 4: Love Forever so all the time. And then the fucking 1339 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,360 Ice Spy book that was. 1340 00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:15,800 Speaker 6: On every specific one too though all the time. 1341 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:18,559 Speaker 3: They have that Grover book in the in the game Drivers. 1342 00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,599 Speaker 4: I don't remember that now, and I don't remember actually 1343 00:57:20,639 --> 00:57:21,719 any of those books. 1344 00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,039 Speaker 3: So they probably just like non copyright stuff. 1345 00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:29,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I can't I can't remember the actress name, 1346 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,000 but yeah, shut Jessie. I liked him in Beef neither 1347 00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:34,599 something else. I liked him here. I did like the scenes. 1348 00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:36,559 I think him and Bella had good chemistry as well, 1349 00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,840 just as like friends. I liked that kind of very 1350 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,119 clearing the air because we can talk about the whole 1351 00:57:41,159 --> 00:57:42,920 season and it's not like that in the game. I 1352 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,960 do like that never became like a love trying. It 1353 00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,400 was like you're pregnant and you know it's my baby. 1354 00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,199 His issue was never oh, you guys are together and 1355 00:57:51,559 --> 00:57:54,079 my baby's like no, like she's pregnant. I just want 1356 00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:55,880 to get my kids the fuck out of here. And 1357 00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,880 Eve then I liked the line like hey, like like 1358 00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,760 I love her, but I'm not in love with her 1359 00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,519 way Allie was right, So sounds like he kind of 1360 00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:06,800 lets someone get away. Unfortunately for those two years, burden burden. 1361 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:08,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we'll get into that into season three. You 1362 00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,679 can get a flashback a whole season them hanging out for. 1363 00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:14,000 Speaker 4: A couple she comes back and she's like, where's Jesse, 1364 00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:15,599 and then it fades the black and then. 1365 00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:19,119 Speaker 3: Go on a revenge story again. Everyone wants to kill Abby. 1366 00:58:19,199 --> 00:58:21,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets Jack. Yeah, it's just work. 1367 00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,519 Speaker 5: Maybe she's the one who fired the gun at the 1368 00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:24,199 end of the season. 1369 00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:24,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1370 00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,559 Speaker 3: It's like seasons of people who hate Abby for different reasons, 1371 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:29,920 and then the ninth season is everyone yeah trying to 1372 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:30,800 kill Abby, and you. 1373 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,639 Speaker 4: Don't get to present day to like season ten and like, okay, 1374 00:58:33,679 --> 00:58:36,039 we're finally in a reveal what happened? But no, I 1375 00:58:36,119 --> 00:58:38,400 like that actor. I hope to see him many other things. 1376 00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,480 He's good to and I like that he revealed that 1377 00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:43,079 because that didn't happen the game, that he didn't vote 1378 00:58:43,559 --> 00:58:45,519 to go. We all assumed that, right, We're like, oh, 1379 00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:48,280 it's like he just didn't vote in general. Yeah, I'm out, 1380 00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:51,599 But no, like we all assumed it was Tommy, his 1381 00:58:51,679 --> 00:58:53,440 wife and Jesse. So I don't know who. 1382 00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:56,320 Speaker 3: I knew he didn't vote. I guess it wasn't confirmed. 1383 00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,159 Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, I assumed he didn't vote. 1384 00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:00,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought we talked that, well what I thought 1385 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,920 that episode we talked about that he voted, because then 1386 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:03,679 who's the third? 1387 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 3: No, on that episode I said that, I swear he 1388 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:06,519 didn't vote. 1389 00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:08,079 Speaker 4: Okay, no, you couldn't. But I mean, like when US 1390 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,679 three talked about it, who would have been the third? 1391 00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:12,400 Then I voted? Just something. I guess one of the Randalls. 1392 00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,840 We don't know. Yeah, maybe they're gonna kill. 1393 00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:17,679 Speaker 2: Elliot against the peach. 1394 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,039 Speaker 3: Let's go to their story. We'll get the killed three 1395 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,840 episode a series of why they voted. That way, we'll 1396 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,159 find out their whole you know, ethics, their old backstory. 1397 00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 4: Yeah. 1398 00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: So, like I don't really foresee us having a reason 1399 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,440 to go to Jackson really for next season, unless it's 1400 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,320 just to like check in on. 1401 00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,599 Speaker 2: Or something to do at this point. Yeah. 1402 00:59:40,039 --> 00:59:42,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't think even the games you don't 1403 00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:43,480 go back to too much. 1404 00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:47,039 Speaker 3: Off screen, say that another horde came and wiped everyone out. 1405 00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, like we talked, like we talked about even in 1406 00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:51,519 the beginning of the show, like that Horde. That doesn't 1407 00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:53,239 happen the game all either. So even the beginning the game, 1408 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,760 they added more to Jackson, So I'll actually take that back. 1409 00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,119 They could go back to Jackson because they added stuff 1410 00:59:58,519 --> 01:00:00,719 in earlier in the season that was not there, and 1411 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,400 maybe they want to check in because the same thing. 1412 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,679 Like I enjoy Catherine Hair, I'm just kind of surprise 1413 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,719 that they got such a high caliber actor for such 1414 01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,440 like a very minor role in my opinion, Like, I 1415 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,239 think it's good, not bad to have like great actors 1416 01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:16,000 in minor roles. But it's not like with uh, god, 1417 01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:17,920 what's his name? He played Bill? What's his real name? 1418 01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:20,800 Deep voice of It's not like, hey, it's a minor 1419 01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:22,480 role in one episode, but then you're gonna get a 1420 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,519 full up. So it's just you give me this, you know, 1421 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:29,039 heartwarming up, very you know, biblical sense of love story. 1422 01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 1: That's what I thought we were going to get that 1423 01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:33,800 episode this season with Catherinehara and the Eugene thing, because 1424 01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:35,199 they mentioned Eugene at the start. 1425 01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm asking you, I'm like, is Eugene like a big character? 1426 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:39,960 Speaker 4: But neither was Bill? Right? Bill wasn't. 1427 01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:42,159 Speaker 2: We're going to get that, but we didn't, so it 1428 01:00:42,199 --> 01:00:43,239 was and they said that. 1429 01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:44,960 Speaker 4: So I wonder if there was something planned in the 1430 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,000 future and everything. But season three, yeah. 1431 01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:48,679 Speaker 5: Well. 1432 01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,159 Speaker 6: I'm waiting for that. That flashback was seth his origin 1433 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,239 and all that. The main character. 1434 01:00:55,320 --> 01:01:01,039 Speaker 4: You want, the bigot flashback came around at the end, 1435 01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,559 I guess. But like again, when people drink, they should 1436 01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:05,840 be the true colors. I've luckily never had a good 1437 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,199 friend be drinking and be like gay guys like I 1438 01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:11,559 never just. 1439 01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,559 Speaker 2: She's like trying to shoots. 1440 01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:19,719 Speaker 4: There's no reason for the d were randomly at the 1441 01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,800 New Years Like again, yes, he semi redeemed himself, he said, 1442 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,079 Ellie up gave her a kid a gun. I get it. 1443 01:01:26,159 --> 01:01:29,360 It's still like, like, I don't need the se flashback episode. 1444 01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,639 There's not much there, I think. But maybe he'll go 1445 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,559 he's gonna, you know, he's gonna be a part of 1446 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:34,840 the Wolves or something. 1447 01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:36,159 Speaker 5: He joined the wolves. 1448 01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:38,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got scar find out that like him and 1449 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,159 Eugene were hooking up, and that's why he like, you know. 1450 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 4: Patrol exactly. He's protruding. He didn't like what he sees. 1451 01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 3: Protruding, projecting, protruding. I forgot the word and said nothing, 1452 01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,599 and you went with protruding. 1453 01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:55,079 Speaker 2: So that's a bold I. 1454 01:01:55,079 --> 01:01:56,599 Speaker 4: Thought I heard you starting to say it, so I 1455 01:01:56,599 --> 01:02:00,159 thought that's what it was. But yeah, we got there, 1456 01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:04,960 we got there. Yeah, no, I guess we'll see. Do 1457 01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,400 you guys think at least I'll say this, No matter 1458 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,679 how many episodes of Abby, do you think it was 1459 01:02:09,719 --> 01:02:11,480 smart to end the episode that way where you do 1460 01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:13,360 Seattle day one? Or do you think it would be 1461 01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,320 better just to end on the gun like, because I 1462 01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,199 know you like that. Somebody would have said you cut that, 1463 01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:19,000 but let's say you keep the gun shot. Would you 1464 01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,039 just cut there than fade to black? Or do you 1465 01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:23,480 like the the kind of prep and viewers, hey, like 1466 01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,679 at least a little bit. This season could be all 1467 01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:28,119 of it that like you're gonna get more, You're like 1468 01:02:28,159 --> 01:02:31,440 this this. To me, that was a sign of like, hey, 1469 01:02:31,519 --> 01:02:33,760 that's the show going maybe forward. For the same way 1470 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,280 Joel right Abby was beating the ship Noorra. They did 1471 01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:40,519 that ending with Joel waking Ellie up and it's like, oh, 1472 01:02:40,599 --> 01:02:43,480 flashback episode. So again, that Abby episode could just be 1473 01:02:43,519 --> 01:02:44,840 an episode two. But do you think that was the 1474 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,679 right way to end for last in this season? 1475 01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,800 Speaker 3: My guess would be that, like the casuals are gonna 1476 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,000 be like confused either way. And that was more like 1477 01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:56,159 a little nod for like the game for the gamers 1478 01:02:56,199 --> 01:02:58,119 to say, like, Okay, this is where we're gonna pick up. 1479 01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,400 I guess the gamers would already kind of know, but 1480 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,199 I don't know. Maybe just like that's where we're gonna 1481 01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:03,639 pick up. 1482 01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know. 1483 01:03:06,519 --> 01:03:09,519 Speaker 3: I think either way, it's kind of a shitty cliffhanger moment. 1484 01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I would already acts it, so. 1485 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:21,400 Speaker 5: Right, yeah you act, you can get it the fuck 1486 01:03:21,519 --> 01:03:24,639 out of Dodge. I don't need that, So. 1487 01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,239 Speaker 4: You'd rather just Season three, episode one that starts with 1488 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:31,960 that scene. 1489 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 5: Like you're going so they can go that road. They 1490 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:32,760 can absolutely go that road. 1491 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,679 Speaker 6: But I just thought, like the gunshot hit and the 1492 01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:37,320 scene went to black, I was like okay, And I 1493 01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,320 walked into my podcast room and I was like, oh, 1494 01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:39,800 what's that? 1495 01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:45,280 Speaker 5: He ran run back? Yeah, yeah, to. 1496 01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:48,960 Speaker 3: Mean as well, I'm done, I'm done. 1497 01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:53,000 Speaker 2: Here, all right? Uh do you want to put radiance 1498 01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:56,639 on this season? You said you weren't going to. 1499 01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:00,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough thing. Like it's it's tough because, 1500 01:04:00,679 --> 01:04:03,400 like I still think the quality of the show for them, 1501 01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,800 like even just the filmmaking, television making, whatever, the tailemaking. 1502 01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:10,599 It's like still HBO top notch right had some issues 1503 01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,440 and it's very tough of like to try and disengage 1504 01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,400 and watch this completely because they're adapt in the game 1505 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:19,480 a lot. But then there's some changes, so it's it's 1506 01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:22,400 it's a very tough one for me. Like right now, 1507 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,559 I'll say I'll still go high on like an eight, 1508 01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:27,960 but I need to really that's just kind of where 1509 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,719 I am in the gut feeling, but I need to 1510 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,320 stew on it, and I also need to see how 1511 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,159 they do. This is definitely one that season three could 1512 01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:36,239 impact the radium season two, so I thine season one 1513 01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:38,360 that's like a nice clean bow. And even then they 1514 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,679 made changes. To me, they all kind of made sense 1515 01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:42,400 or I thought, okay that I can see something there 1516 01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,719 or you got something to build up, so board's like, 1517 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,679 oh that was a big worthy change where nothing. Here's 1518 01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:48,519 one thing too. I don't think any of the changes 1519 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,920 were a massive step up, but then if any changes 1520 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,239 for some of them were a step down, not all 1521 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,039 of them, but that's what I mean, Like the the 1522 01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,440 losses and gains. There's much more categories and the losses. 1523 01:05:01,519 --> 01:05:03,920 So I'm kind of disappointed that way, because I don't know, 1524 01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:07,679 I'm interesting if I'll rewatch the show in the future 1525 01:05:07,719 --> 01:05:09,679 after this, other than maybe season one, because I think 1526 01:05:09,719 --> 01:05:11,480 season one kind of gets it. But I like a 1527 01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:12,760 lot of stuff for the second game, so you know, 1528 01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,079 I'll just have to play that second game. But yeah, 1529 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,400 we'll see it goes. I'll say an eight for now. 1530 01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:19,599 Speaker 2: Nice sweet. 1531 01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 3: How many episodes was this season again? 1532 01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:24,360 Speaker 4: Seven? 1533 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:24,880 Speaker 2: Seven? 1534 01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:27,960 Speaker 3: That'll be my score. I'm gonna give it a seven 1535 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,159 with a Thunderbolts asterix on the end there, and we'll 1536 01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:35,320 just we'll just see, you know, wait and see potentatively nice, 1537 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:38,840 juicy seven, respectable score considering how negative I was this 1538 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:39,519 whole episode. 1539 01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:42,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, sale Field. 1540 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,559 Speaker 5: Well, Dylan, actually, uh you said it's spot on. I 1541 01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:49,440 like that logic. So I'm doing a seven too. But 1542 01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,519 I'm not gonna put an as mine. Mine is the 1543 01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:52,480 solid seven. 1544 01:05:52,519 --> 01:05:55,079 Speaker 4: Really nothing season three because that's the other half the story. 1545 01:05:55,119 --> 01:05:55,920 Nothing could change this. 1546 01:05:56,159 --> 01:06:00,639 Speaker 6: It'd be like, oh, no, season three, season three is 1547 01:06:00,679 --> 01:06:01,280 season three. 1548 01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:03,039 Speaker 5: I mean season two is done. 1549 01:06:03,079 --> 01:06:04,239 Speaker 4: Happened? Yet? 1550 01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 3: I respect that a lot. Actually I don't. 1551 01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:09,760 Speaker 4: I disagree with all those Star Wars logic the only 1552 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,480 reason War is and all that stuff. 1553 01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,239 Speaker 3: The only reason I give it is so much better 1554 01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,760 because this is based on a game that was one game. 1555 01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,960 That's where I think the difference is where it's like 1556 01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:22,719 this was intended as one big product and it's been 1557 01:06:22,719 --> 01:06:25,039 split into two. So that's where I maybe have a 1558 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:26,800 little bit of leniency. But maybe you're right. Maybe I 1559 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:30,159 should just be steadfast in my thoughts. So I respect 1560 01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:30,559 you for that. 1561 01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:32,480 Speaker 4: Do you think they should have done old school like 1562 01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,760 TV interest one full fourteen episodes, you know, just like, yeah, 1563 01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,039 we're not good, We're just good. 1564 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:38,840 Speaker 1: Twenty nine episodes, one hour long. 1565 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:40,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know, like back in the day, like 1566 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:43,039 when shows used to be twenty four to twenty six episodes. Like, 1567 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,159 imagine that if they just said we're telling the story 1568 01:06:45,199 --> 01:06:47,800 all like all one kick. 1569 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,800 Speaker 1: Be getting that fucking Eugene episode. I guarantee you forgetting that. 1570 01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,599 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you had like three episode arc of Eugene. 1571 01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:56,920 Speaker 4: Like no, I'm not saying stretch it out, just have 1572 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:00,360 like a random art stop stop stop. That's not I mean, 1573 01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:02,559 I mean, whatever episodes they're gonna do in the future. 1574 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:04,760 Imagine if they just did them all at the same time, 1575 01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:08,559 being like remember one point Daredevil borning and was eighteen episodes, Like, actually, no, 1576 01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:10,400 we're not gonna do that, but imagine that they're like, hey, 1577 01:07:10,639 --> 01:07:12,599 season three and season four, Actually we're just gonna make 1578 01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:14,519 it all season two and it's all condensed. It would 1579 01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:14,960 have been bold. 1580 01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,159 Speaker 3: I don't know if it would work, but it's been crazy. 1581 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:23,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm gonna give an eight point two 1582 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:27,320 on this season. I did really like it. I really 1583 01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:31,320 like seeing the angry Ellie. There's really good emotion stuff 1584 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,480 in here. Dina was like the big standout I think 1585 01:07:33,519 --> 01:07:35,880 throughout the whole season. She was I don't think I 1586 01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:39,199 have any flaws for for the character, and yeah, I'm 1587 01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:43,559 that's just a dynamic. I'm curious to see what happens 1588 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,239 going forward because I imagine doesn't like have the baby 1589 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,400 come like next season. I think we're gonna be picking 1590 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:50,280 up right from where we are and. 1591 01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,679 Speaker 4: That's who shot Oh. 1592 01:07:52,519 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 1: God, so I'm taking her pregnant ladies. 1593 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 4: No, I said, I mean the baby shot Abby like 1594 01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,800 came out of Dina's mood. It's just like fuck you and. 1595 01:08:03,719 --> 01:08:08,679 Speaker 1: It's like baby from But no, I think there is 1596 01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,480 a lot of good stuff in here, but yeah, not 1597 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:13,400 how I would have wanted to end. I think if 1598 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,159 we would have really landed the ending here, it could 1599 01:08:15,159 --> 01:08:17,119 have been like over nine for sure. 1600 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,359 Speaker 2: But a little bit disappointed there. 1601 01:08:19,399 --> 01:08:23,479 Speaker 1: But yeah, until next time, we'll see, we'll see what's 1602 01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:23,880 going on. 1603 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,000 Speaker 4: We don't know. Yeah, it's a long time all right. 1604 01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:30,720 Speaker 1: If there's no other wet thoughts for this review, we'll 1605 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,800 close this chapter and be back for yeah, some juicy 1606 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,239 content and thanks everyone for joining us. 1607 01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:40,479 Speaker 2: Ride bye bye bye.