Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another Geek First review.
This week, we're wrapping up the last of US season two. Yeah,
we got a juicy episode to break down, and we
got a full episode to break well.
Speaker 2: That's that's what we were.
Speaker 1: Full room of of geek First members here to break
down this episode before we get to everyone else. I
am the monster at the end of the book. Kirkle Patzer,
I don't know that's it.
Speaker 2: It's just me so.
Speaker 3: Kirkle's always second, So I don't know who goes second.
Speaker 4: When Kirtle swat form, I'm the water down trast Now
I'm watered up, dyl Mus, I'm the wave.
Speaker 5: Taylor Field, he.
Speaker 2: Got a lot of water here. It's a wet night.
It's gonna be a wet night. I hope it's raining.
Speaker 4: In the episode, it was wet. That boat rides very.
Speaker 2: Very very wet.
Speaker 1: This episode was, and we're our thoughts wet. Whether that
means positive or negative, we'll find out.
Speaker 4: Before you get all completely dry, Joel's dry.
Speaker 2: Shut up, using like a pool of something.
Speaker 1: Before we go to the episode, I am gonna shout
out a few things that we've been doing, uh lately,
We just did a juicy Mission Impossible eight review, Dead Reckoning.
I forgot about the name for a second. There know
the Final Reckoning, Yes, the Final Mission Possible will actually
be there, we don't know, but our thoughts on the
on the yes on.
Speaker 4: Making movies, and we got we're gonna have that drop
at some point. And we got the rankings for the
patron Suit. This week we're gonna record as well.
Speaker 2: So I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta finish off that list.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: What else do we got going on? We got a
this week, Dylan and I are doing a juicy I
believe side quest and Weekly Geek. We got a double
of you and Me, so that's gonna be the Whaler's
week with the water wet.
Speaker 2: This week. So yeah, I mean beyond that. What else
we got going on?
Speaker 4: Giv episode with all of us too this week because
all the shows are ending and or is done. Last
of us is done, so we can we're finally a
little unbooked until like July, and then July we're filthy.
Speaker 1: But after nine coming up too, if I'm not mistaken,
This Friday, six pm PS that we'll be talking.
Speaker 4: About all the movies and what's happening. I think the
juicy stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe i'll may I'll bring the patren a little
bit later.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and there's one other zombie related well debate
there by twenty days later is dropping this week, so
kind of ties in the Last of Us. You know,
so we're recording tonight, but that's dropping. We're doing that
in weeks. So look out, good.
Speaker 1: Time, lookout and verb I mean, anything else, I don't think.
So let's just get wet and wild and get right
in there. Yesle's I'm the only person that's been on
every single episode of Last of Us season two. I
picked up and lost something the last place along the way,
and yeah, Dylan joined us here on the finale, So
maybe I'll throw it to Dylan just to get your
little thoughts on where you've been and what you've been thinking.
Speaker 3: And uh, the first Sunday I was, you know, in Cologna. Second, yeah,
can I go full spoilers on the previous episodes? Is that?
Is that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Everything except yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so season two, you know, as as we've kind
of documented before, but it was a while ago. First
season one for me was that, you know, I'm not
a big fan of these games. Like, I've played a
bit of Last US one, but it's just not my
cup of tea. I'm not a big fan of the
Naughty Dog stuff, but I still kind of know pretty
much everything happens in the first Last of Us game.
So that first season, you know, there were some couple
of surprises here, there maybe specific smaller characters that I
wasn't aware of, but for the most part, I kind
of knew what the story was going to be, and
it just seemed like it was a really great.
Speaker 2: Execution of that.
Speaker 3: This uh season, I've definitely knew a lot less about
the second game. I did didn't know about Joel dying
and I so that's one of the I think the
thing that first surprising for the show is how early
in this season that happened. I thought that maybe what
they would do is like stretch that out to be
like the finale of like this whole season, like they would,
you know, do a bunch of stuff. Maybe they have
to add extra content. I don't really know, but I
thought we were gonna wait a bit more for what happens.
And then that did happen in episode two, and then
I think I was, you know a little lesurprised when
I was like, oh yeah, okay, well they still got
like their episode six in there where they can do
like another Joel episode, which you know, was not my
cup of tea necessarily. But overall, I think this season
it was definitely stepped down from season one for me.
But also, god, I always want to I don't want
to spoil anything here, so I'm trying to be wary
of this. But overall, I haven't enjoyed this season. I
think I wanted a lot more Abby. I feel like
I'm surprised now that we're at the end of this,
like how little she was in this show overall. And
I think, you know, maybe why this season is maybe
weaker for me overall is I just not a big
fan of Ellie Belle Ramsey, Ellie a little bit acting,
a little bit of writing, and I think mostly just
like this character is very, you know, very stubborn and
like kind of an annoying personality in many ways. It's
obviously it's intentional to some extent, but I think her
being the lead of the season didn't work as strongly
for me. But the actress who plays Dina, I like,
you know, not compared to the game in terms of
the casting, but I think that casting was like absolute
star pick. Like whoever the casting director for the show
was a plus game because I think she's so charismatic
and to me, like added so much heart to the
season that was otherwise like pretty dour and dark and whatnot.
So I guess that's my overall thoughts of like the
leading episodes into this. But yeah, I know, I think
this this episode is okay, and overall this season was
like just okay for me. But I guess, like I
guess this is fine to say in a non spoiler way,
but you know, just huge cliffhanger here. So I'm not
really satisfied at the end of this either. I guess
I think I forgot that they had confirmed like a
season three is happening at this point, so we are
getting it. But yeah, I I feel like I was
a little teased here. To be honest, I'm pretty unsatisfied
with the ending that we got here. So yeah, I
think there's some grounds for some interesting things to happen
in season three. But overall, I feel like this season
could have been like even shorter, or if it was
just like a few episodes longer and they just did
one like one season two instead of splitting the three seasons.
I think I would have been a little more happy
with it. But I also don't know like how far
into Last of Us Part two we are at this point,
just because my game knowledge really just I knew about
the Joel death and like not much else. So uh, yeah,
it was very messy. But you know, I've missed six
episodes of the reviews, so it's a lot to recappen
in a couple of minutes.
Speaker 2: Right on, Taylor, I'll throw it to you. What do
you think?
Speaker 6: Ooh yeah, my goodness. So for the finale, it did
not feel like a satisfying finale, Dylan, would you highlighted
for Abby? Feel like I would apply that to Ellie
now at this point for me because I feel like and.
Speaker 4: She's didn't see enough of Ellie. That's what you're saying.
Speaker 6: No, not that, because that's what Okay, I was so
confused post that post.
Speaker 4: That enough of Ellie, which even though, to be fair
to you, that there is lots of game players that
feel that because they've jumped over a lot of the
Ellie's story arcs, even in this episode, they jumped over one,
so it's just i'd wonder for Dylan'm not saying like, oh,
the game would save you, but there's like just a
lot of more slow burn with her where this showy
they I don't like. I obviosly you think Bella maybe
on the lower acting side. I don't think that for me.
I think just the way they sometimes right Ellie and
the show is different. We've talked about this in the
past few weeks as far as just the they are
kind of both very angry characters, but in a different
type of way. But yes, there's lots of stuff that
people have been like, oh man, I wish they did this,
And even tonight there's I think they took a moment
from her that was like, to me, a big choice,
and it's just was like, oh man, poor Ellie. That
sucks that that happened to her. You know. I know
in the game she kind of chose to do X,
Y and Z.
Speaker 5: So I wouldn't say it's it's Bella.
Speaker 6: I would say it's more or less the writing because
like with this, it being way too quick with how
things are aggressive for her character, and I feel like, Okay,
we had a bit of a slow burn in a
good way and just the dynamic and the traveling and
everything like that, and then getting to this point, it's
just there's like a sense of blindness involved in her actions,
and it's just it's like, okay, one to one hundred
to one thousand to ten thousand, it's like, fuck, this
is just getting more crazier. And I think, I guess
maybe that again, I attribute it to the way that
she has been written, and I don't like how they
wrote that.
Speaker 5: I feel like we could have had.
Speaker 6: A little bit more time to build up to this
getting more infuriated kind of mentality, if that makes sense.
I'm trying to beat around the bush about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The only thing I pushed back on is I
think we've talked about this past few weeks that even
season one they hinted about her being like a very
violent mindset character though right like even when we first
met it did. But I feel like a personally like, hey,
you could have stopped and it's like, oh, and even
but I'm spending.
Speaker 5: So much time with the community and with Tommy and
with doing all these different things.
Speaker 6: I feel like that that caught me off guard because like, god, damn.
Speaker 4: I guess, but I get yeah, no, I don't know.
I'd have to push back because even episode one went
or when was the last was it one? Nos? Two?
Because the last time that's Joel and I can't remember
Catherine O'Hara's character. What was it, I don't know, But anyways,
remember there's a conversation about like, oh, would she still
be fucked up if Joel raised her? And she's like no,
like she's on that path already. You just kind of
happened to bump into her. Like, I just feel like
they have multiple times set up. I'm not saying they've
portrayed it maybe the best way, but I think they've
at least set up like, no, there's something there that's
not like everybody else where it's like, oh, I'll kill
someone to defend where all he's more gets a bit
more enjoyment as I feel like there's been some hints
but maybe Malone on the island.
Speaker 5: M h, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Gail was her name, by the way, Travis, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll pass with the Travis after me because you're the
you're the video game compared some guys so well, I'm
curious to see how how you thought this one ended.
I think I'm pretty in the middle of Taylor and
Dylan here.
Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of what Dylan said, and just.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'll unpack that actually mediate the situation.
Speaker 5: For us, Mediate the situation, Mediate the situation, balance it out.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say too much though, because I
feel like, yeah, I just want to talk about specific
story things, and I'm scared I'm gonna I'm gonna beat
that bush a little bit too much.
Speaker 4: And really we're a tough time here apparently.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's tricky, I mean here at the end
of the road.
Speaker 1: But for me, I would be lying if I said
this was a satisfying finale. I felt like this was
very dissatisfying. And I almost agree with the sentiment that
this could have been an episode shorter, just with how
this one played. I have enjoyed the season overall. For
the most part. There's been a lot of moments of
just like, Okay, I'm gonna hold my breath and wait
until this reveal happens, and then a reveal happens or
it doesn't, but when it does happen, it's like really satisfying.
I feel like it does answer a lot of holdbacks.
I kind of have in the show, and I felt
like last week's episode handled a lot of that for me,
for just like how I was feeling with the lack
there of Joel throughout the whole season. I felt like
last week's episode saved a lot of that feeling for me,
And then this week's episode, I really had no idea
how we're gonna end this, Like I knew this was
the last episode, but I just feel like there's so
much It's not even like there's meat on the bone.
It's like we have like more courses yet to come,
and it's just like, oh, I gotta I gotta run now,
like like this is this is the end. So I
feel like I'm I'm missing a lot here, And as
soon as it ended, it was just like, oh and
I gotta wait a long time for the next season here.
So I didn't feel satisfied pretty much like at all
with with how it ended. I think there's some really
good juice in here. There's a couple of moments that
I holy gasped and I'm like, oh my God, like
this this is some heavy stuff where we're tackling here,
but like, yeah, whether it's pulling anything, like the moment
right at the end episode, it's like, why are we
even doing this, Like like it's just such a tease,
and I, yeah, I just feel more upset than if
I wouldn't have even seen a certain thing that happens
at the end.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we'll impact that when we get there.
Speaker 1: But I'm, yeah, I don't know, I'm I'm I think
I'm in the more positive camp with Bella, I think
throughout the whole season and in this episode again, like
she's like the character of Ellie is forced to play
like these really emotional sequences, really heavy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just weight.
Speaker 1: That's on her on the character's shoulders, and I think
Bella does a good job at representing that in a
really good way. And yeah, I think this episode had
a lot of like turning points and kind of certain
characters the way that they see other characters in the show.
And that's just juicy content. So I'm just excited I
see how that plays out. But again it's like they
show us here at the end, and now I have
to wait a long time to actually get that.
Speaker 2: So uh, just yeah, a lot of.
Speaker 1: I think disappointment across the board for the story stuff,
but not necessarily like I think the execution of it.
But maybe maybe it is the execution of it because
that's how they decided to end the season. But yeah,
I know, I'm I'm curious to pass it over to
Travis here and just see how he feels knowing the
scope of the story and then kind of how they
chose to end this season. And uh, yeah, I know
I'm getting another season. Talks that we're getting it broken
down into like two more seasons, so I can only
imagine that if if that's the plan, I might be
feeling the same way come the finale of next season.
But maybe I'm getting a little bit too ahead of
myself and not staying in the because they don't camp
I like to be in.
Speaker 6: Hopefully they don't Halo US and you know, no season
never want to get Halo.
Speaker 4: I know. I think you're I think you're safe there.
I think they're gonna do four seasons. I don't know.
We'll talk about spoilers. I don't know how season three
is gonna do, because I think there's like, so there's
some Kirkland said where he's like, oh, I don't want
to wait. It's like, well, I don't know. Buckle up, baby,
you're gonna maybe be waiting a long time. I want
to ask youuse maybe I'm assuming because Dan you said
would be shorter last week, he didn't really That sounds
like he didn't enjoy it too much. You probably just
kind of mostly remove that episode or kind of sprinkle
and other stuff like maybe make other episodes may longer
that one.
Speaker 3: So what I read on line is that that's the
epilogue of the game is.
Speaker 4: Just that last scene, but that the all the flashbacks
you kind of play throughout the game, like, so that
scene with Joel and Ellie on the porch is actually
like the very last thing you see of Last of
Us Part two. But I do agree with and I
do I put this on our discord. I recommend anybody
that's played the game check out Last a media call
on He's like from kind of Funny years ago. He
interviewed Neo Chuckman and it was a good interview because
their friends in real life. So he talked to him
about lots of like hey, people don't like this and
why did you change this? And they just thought that
scene was You'd be waiting way too long to get
that reveal of like, hey, did Joel and Ellie talk
because yeah, it's the very last thing you do. But
the rest of that episodes kind of all sprinkled throughout
the game where it's like, oh, the Astronauts stuff and everything.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that that that makes sense because I I
was gonna say, like, if I feel like that, if
we had our huge explosive finale level thing as like
the second last episode, and then like for a TV show,
you just had like a full episode as like an epilogue,
we feel like kind of a weird.
Speaker 2: Thing to do.
Speaker 3: So now that that's good context to add in there.
I don't know, I don't know how. I think I
was just like kind of mid on it. It just
felt like less consequential now that we like know everything
that happened with Joel and that he's like not around anymore.
I guess that is good to backfill that, especially when
it comes to the reveal of her knowing what like
that he lied to her about what happened at the
hospital all that. But yeah, I think I think maybe
for me, like maybe just keep building up that relationship
and do that initial thing of maybe that the Joel's
death is like the end of this, and then it
sounds like because base. Okay, Now, I don't want to
spoil anything now, but it's I guess there. I'll say
this that there were other storyline things we could have
put in this season in terms of like timeline and
stuff that would kind of you know, shift things from
this season to next one. Uh, there's other things we
could have done. So I'll just say that way without spoiling.
Speaker 4: Well, that that's us gonna ASKU. Maybe I wasn't as
simple as I thought. But Kirkland, you also said was shorter?
Would you like cut an entire episode or what would
you do there.
Speaker 2: Like for like just this season any episode out?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Would you because you said be shorter. So that's why
I was wondering, like, what would you take out from
this season to make it shorter?
Speaker 2: I'm gonnaways answer that again.
Speaker 4: The spoils, Yeah, I I it's tough. So we're like,
we'll get more into spoils. This is where at the
halfway point of the game. Like I'd say, maybe not
the literal like fifty percent, but that's pretty much roughly
what it is. But yeah, I think they could spend
season three to doing something, the season four doing something.
This was seven episodes maybe they go to six, maybe
go seven, who knows, because they can always do like
a god, what's Bill and the other guy's name? Right? Yeah, yeah,
that one too, uh. They they can always be inspired
to do some type of episode like that, right, that
could be in which I kind of thought the Eugene
episode was gonna be. I thought they kind of sold
that like that. It wasn't that last week, like that
was not the Eugene episode. So I'm saying, like, you
could probably still do a couple more episodes in the
next few seasons, like hey, we're just gonna do a
one off of like something in the World. And I
also thought a couple weeks ago we're gonna get there
with Isaac, but we didn't, so we'll see what happens.
But uh uh yeah, no, there's I don't really know
how to feel about the show. I think it's very
well made. I think it's it's tough because I think
it's the first time I come too close to the
material and I was really hoping that I get like,
I know this sounds bad, but a version of the
game I could watch because replaying that game is very long,
so it's not just like an easy thing to do like, oh,
I relive that story and it just always feels Now,
don't get me wrong, Please don't take this as a
context when I say it feels like AI not like that.
There's no way I doesn't feel that bad. But you know,
you know when you see something, you're like, something's just
off with this, right, like you just f and then
it's like, okay, it's Ai. Whether it's you know, missing
a finger, whether it's the image circle maybe's looking for
right now? Yeah, there you go, Like to me, why
is Elly wearing eyeliner in the Apocalypse right when you
guys are doing the newscast, Like that's not real? And
now you owed Taylor pizzas so.
Speaker 2: They cut this scene.
Speaker 5: This is in season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll see, but I think GVD to give you.
Speaker 5: I can't take it.
Speaker 2: I knew that I'll take the pizza.
Speaker 4: I love you. We'll all have it, but no, So
for me, uh, it's strange. Yeah, there's just choices and
things that they change, and a lot of them are
just because like I don't understand we're on HBO, but
it feels like we're really softening up. We'll talk about
in this episode. There's one particular where that bugged me.
Last week, there was stuff that bugged me. So that's
where it's tough for I still think it's good. I
think it's well made, it's well acted, score, it shot good,
but there's just always like feels like it's a little
lacking and uh yeah, and it's it's gonna be really
interesting when we talk about this and spoilers, because I'll
give it to them for the most part, like Joel's
death early on, like that's something that happens in the game.
It's very very early on, and even like this switch
right now, it's like the game, so it's something that
I applaud them for staying very true to the game.
But at the same time, when Neil was doing the interview,
he's like, well, we changed some things because you know
that works in a video game, but that doesn't work
in a TV or movie, which is absolutely correct. And
that's where I'm wondering if this finale is kind of
the same thing where and even season three, I don't
know if it's gonna work. And there's even some things
in the game that don't work for me, and I'm like,
I don't know how this is gonna work in a show.
Because I think the show has done those aspects a
lot weaker than the game has, and people I think
are less invested in certain characters. So I don't know.
I could see the show having good enough rings to
get season four, but I could see there being a
big dip with some of the choices they're gonna make.
But yeah, I enjoyed it. Yeah, I like I said,
I don't this one needs some thinking. It's stuff where
I know we'll probably do scores. I don't really know
if I have a score orre gonna give this a score,
Like I think I need to really sit on this
and wait for a while, probably give like a ballpark.
But yeah, I enjoy some aspects. I don't think it's bad.
Last week's same thing. There was, you know, that conversation
with Joel and Ellie. Some things were changed and just
just very subtle stuff like I know it's not a
big thing, but I know you guys really like Joel
saying that he loved during that big speech. Like that
doesn't happen in the game because it's supposed to be
very like like sub you're supposed to like, you know,
Joel loves her, you don't really need him to say
that you don't need him to cry about and stuff
like that's the point of Joel. They so hardened, like
he's not gonna say it, but that's what makes it
hurt even more, you know, and just little things. But
uh yeah, so we'll talk about it. I'll be interesting
what they do next year. But I'm trying to think
if there's anything like really positive I can say, because
that sounds mixed all the negative, like I no way
fails episode anything like that. But yeah, I don't know.
Like I said, it's just same stuff as far as
acting and stuff. So that's all I got.
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So I want to start open some of these bags.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna start with kind of answering your
question on like what I would cut and for me,
I mean it goes right to the end, honestly, get
Abby right out of this episode, like completely, like don't
even have like the gut shot moment of her cap
in the Loyal Jesse, who's just a good guy? What
a way to go that that gas gassed me for sure?
But yeah, I I don't know. I I didn't like
the the lack thereof like actual resolution of that. They
just they just cliffhanger it failed, fade to black and
then have her wake up and then go to Seattle
day one, Like I like, yeah, that that bugged me
so much. Honestly, I I think I would have completely
asked that out of this episode entirely.
Speaker 4: So how would you end it just them just Jesse
and Ellie talking and then fade to black?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like like the moment on the island, like
like not necessarily faded black there? Yeah, yeah, sorry at
the aquarium, have Tommy come in, get them out of there.
It's really emotional and heavy. But then like that just
goes away and then like maybe some like fade to
black moment rise and then like a little hint of
what's coming, like maybe actually you see Abby there, but
not necessarily like her waking up like in the past
at the start of the Seattle trip, maybe like an.
Speaker 2: Isaac thing, but like, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: Isaac's been such a question mark for me for this
whole season, so I don't even know like what you
would show there because I just don't really know what's
going on with him and his army. Like I know
they're at war, but they looked like they were going
out for like a really important mission there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, at this point in the game, you don't know
any of this, so you're getting like little previews for
what you'll know of Isaac's story by this point in
the game. They've sprinkled that in that this is completely
kind of foreign as far as the timeline.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And I think the main reason why I
feel like just get rid of Abby is I've been
waiting for this like moment all season and for them
to like just say, like, this is what you've been
waiting for, but you're not getting it this season like that,
that just that just seems like like a cheap magician
trick that they're pulling on me.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was, I was pretty bitter about that,
but I don't know if I'm alone there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like it's almost impossible to like script
doctor this into like making sense with what we got here.
It's like if you take a game that was one
story and it's not like a super duper long game,
like and then you split that into multiple seasons, like
I don't know, like when you were playing the game
trave so I'm sure I'm sure you weren't like, oh,
this sort of have been a great place to end
this game, so I could pick it up like a
third game like five years from now, like, because you know,
it is one cohesive story. And yes, it's like non
linear in the way it jumps around back and forth
and between different characters. But I just feel like when
you're flip floped between that many different things, it just
becomes messy kind of no matter what. And I feel
like one of the offshoots of this is like Jesse's
like as a sidecar. That's his name, right, the guy. Yeah,
Like I really really great character. I really enjoyed him
throughout the season. He was a highlight for me for
sure too, Like the side characters so bitter and like
he got a lot of screen time, like quite a
lot of screen time, but I feel like, well, with
what we're set up here, like I don't know, are
we gonna have a scene at the start of like
season three where people are crying about Jesse, But it's
like two years since we saw this season, people are like,
who's Jesse again? And we're gonna like, like, I just
don't know, like what. It feels like he's kind of
too big of a character to kill off on what
just feels like a random death, and like maybe, yeah,
maybe we are gonna deal with the repercussions of that
a lot in the next season, but I don't know that.
That to me also felt like kind of a strange
place to end that character, Like I want some more
resolution on that right now, but I also don't know
even though I want it now, two years from now,
I probably won't remember that I wanted that resolution. So
it's just gonna feel weird no matter where they put it.
Speaker 4: I guess, yeah, that's how it goes in the game,
and I wouldn't expect much resolution. I don't think Jesse gets.
Speaker 2: His body's not going back to Jackson, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's like, if you're going back to your
question what would you cut. It's like, well, I'd probably
cut a lot of stuff with that character if, like
we don't really get a satisfying ending for him.
Speaker 4: I guess the idea is And like, I'm not trying
to defend it because I'm somebody that like game, I
hate the Red Wedding, and I think this is similar
maybe for sounding you like, I think the reason they
do that is just so I guess you care that
Jesse has been killed, right, Like, at least it's just
not some lame duckah, it's just a side character, not
saying that's a good thing or bad thing. I guess
that's why they have the scenes there, because they're just
trying to make you feel invested. And then you have
him and Ellie have this like, you know, good come
to Jesus moment, they understand each other, and then boom.
Speaker 5: He's gone coming to Jesus moment.
Speaker 4: Yeah he definitely had that potentially right now, but yeah, no,
that's exactly how it goes in the game. They burst
to that door and boom, he's he's out of there.
One two three, punch gone, So not even one two three,
just yea, yeah, oh I can't remember you guy said
something that I was gonna oh with the Abbey thing. Yeah,
it it's gonna be interesting sing to see what happens,
because I just uh, Neil said this and Catherine Harris
said this. If they go the game route, season three
is just gonna be nothing but Abby And I don't
know how that show is gonna do. I really don't.
I don't know because it's not it's not a spoiler,
but like because they revealed it, right, But to me,
at least, what propels that Ford of when you switch
to Abbey in the game, you're like, why the fuck
are we doing this? And then they reveal the whole
origin thing're like, okay, I'm invested where they've already pulled
that magic trick very early, right, And to me it
was a magic trick. I think they botched the whole
Abbey thing. And I know same thing. Neil's like, well,
we couldn't have had that waiting. People would have wondered.
I still think you could have said that because if
you open up with season three, episode one and people
find out it's Abbey episode or season and like, ah, well,
I'm watching this, but you reveal the whole Joel thing,
you go, oh shit, that's something new where I feel
like they've not done a good job of investing people
in this character, so now there's nothing to like. What's
what's the huge pull in for season one episode or
season three episode one. If you don't are investing in Abby,
it's not all, well, don't worry, we got well you're
gonna It's like, imagine if you're saying that, but I'm like, hey,
you're gonna learn something and that's gonna get you hooked
into her story. But you guys already know that. And
I feel most people other than I'll show it to
detol Other than him, everybody that I've talked to that's
played hasn't played the game. That's why it's a show
does not like Abby, which is funny because in the
video game that was the same situation. So it doesn't matter.
People like it's just in general don't like the Abbey character.
But at least I'd say, I'm not trying to be
mean here. The I don't know smarter people of the world.
By time Last of Us two had ended, I'm not
saying you liked Abby, but you completely understood and we're
invested in the caraent oh, okay, I completely get out
they're going for here and this is very well win.
But that's one thing in the game for me, like curkly, like, oh,
I don't want to wait. That's the thing in the
game that you play as Abby for a long time
and I did not like that aspect. Because it's not
that I did not like Abby. I just thought you
could have truncated a lot of her story into a
shorter amount and you guys can check in the discord.
Now me and Mike we're talking about it's like, Okay,
does Abbie get whole season? Like I think Mike said, like, oh,
shed get at least three episodes. I'm like, to me,
that's an episode, one episode, maybe two, because like I
feel like enough people watched the show for Pedro Pascal
and he's gone, and now you're gonna say, hey, even
the second lead, Ellie, she's gone too, like for like,
so that's like for me, it's like, I think they
can do it most two episodes with just full Abby
because I could see a lot of people checking out,
going okay, and that's where you could have like you're
talking about Dylan, Oh this one I remembered, it's not
like the Hunger Games of Harry Potter, we do the
part one part two because those can suck, but at
least those are only like four to five hours, right,
it's a shorter span. Once you get those movies, you
can easily watch them. This is like fourteen to sixteen
hours of content. Like that's a harder thing to be
And now it's like so many years later, right, Like
Hunger Games, Harry Potter, in Finny Ward Endgame, those all
came out a year later. There's not a date for
the Last of Us. This one took like two and
a half years. So it's like in two and a
half years. If the follow up is, hey, you're not
gonna get any more presence day and stuff, but you're
gonna get a lot more flashbacks, I don't know how
much people are gonna be into. And that's where you
could argue, hey, that's great in the game, but maybe
in the show you should tell those stories maybe concurrently
at the same time or something like that. Right, Like,
I don't know that would remap everything, but I just
think it could work better that way because for a show,
I just I just don't know if it's gonna work
for people, because again, it's not even you get season three.
It's week to week. It's not like the game where
it's one play through, like don't say, it's like, Okay,
you're gonna get fed this over the next six to
seven weeks.
Speaker 1: So yeah, well, like, as someone that doesn't play the game,
I don't I like, how much of Abby do you follow?
Is it literally from that hospital and tell the meetup?
Speaker 4: So you all those because that's why they cast actors
like Anora, right, like Tati Gabriel, she's a great actress.
They cast those characters because you learn all about their
backstories in the game, Like they're all gonna come back
and like, yeah, the Joel episode we got last week,
you're gonna get like multiple episodes about like oh in and.
Speaker 3: Man, see that lady get impregnated exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's a whole can of worms to that
story too. I'm not saying it's bad stuff, but you're
gonna learn.
Speaker 1: Depending how they do it, I think how it ended,
a part of me was like, well, maybe it's not
gonna be a whole season of Abby because it started
with Seattle day one, and then I'm like, oh, maybe
it's just gonna be like the Seattle roundup, like like
you could have some flashbacks I guess to like earlier
stuff with those characters like you just mentioned. I guess
they didn't have that. It would be like, why did
we even waste time with these characters to to not
even give substance to their backstory. But yeah, no, I
think you make some great points there, just like how
they're gonna be pitching that next season for the viewers
that maybe were already because that was me at the
start of the season. I'm like, man, I missed Pedro
a lot, Like I love Joel and just Pedro's portrayal
of the character, and I felt like I was missing
a lot of him. So yeah, I obviously missed him
in his death episode, but it was even worse because
I knew that. It's like, oh, I'm just knocktting him
the season and then yeah, I was missing he's done
the way.
Speaker 4: Because that scene from last week the porch again, that's
at the end of the game. And even when you
watch the behind the scenes with Pedro, it was a
full like oh my last status that oh you know,
they could always all we're gonna do as a ghost
or something. But like I think the intention right now
is yeah, he's done, like because again, those flashbacks are
sprinkled throughout the game, but in this show, that's at
least one thing they did change.
Speaker 3: It's for one episode, So yeah, yeah, I don't know.
I wonder if there would have been like, this is
probably a pretty crazy idea, but I don't know if
they did more of like a baton pass of like
really just close off the Lee storyline here, like definitively
and then yeah, like just spin off like season three
just being Abby or like other characters or whatever, and
just make it like almost like anthology just like people
in this world and what they're doing. I understand that
would be like a pretty bold choice to do, but like,
I don't know, it just feels like a really roundabout
way to do this, especially when you're talking about how
like long of a wait is.
Speaker 1: They changed the title to the Last of Them, it's
not even the last of Us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And that'd be tough because even this story
stills like multiple years, so you couldn't really I don't
think you could close off Ellie's story without kind of
because then you could get to Abby's story, but then
you would just know, like everything or if I guess,
if you rush through at all, but then I don't know,
it's a different situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't. I don't know what happens,
and I don't want you to do any you know,
hinting with your eyes of what happens here, but like
you know, Ellie is such a Ellie deserves to just
you know, have gone yourself killed at this point. So
you know, I'm kind of hoping that, uh, that bullet
does it, but I'm sure that's not that simple. I
don't know. We'll see no, I no, I all right.
Speaker 4: I forgot, No, I forgot. I'm in the bowl. I'm like,
did she get your forgot? The episode ended with like
the the Gun.
Speaker 3: Show, Yeah, which was such a hard transition. I had
to watch it twys and'm like, sorry, what the fuck
just happened? Like now we're back in the day and
then like credits roll like it was insane and not
in like a good fun cliffhangway, but in like a what.
Speaker 4: And before it hasn't gone Like don't get me wrong,
Like I agree with super Mike, but Abby's a great character,
so their son's gonna be good stuff. And even like
once you meet up to present day tons of great stuff.
I'm not even saying like it's it's great stuff. I
think it's just it's in the game. I had issues
how they told a story, and then now even the show,
I think it could be even like inflated of how
it could be because it works much as different. But
there's still great stub ahead and I think there's still
gonna stuff you'r bind your nails on. There's great like
Ellie content and stuff. But yeah, you've been quiet.
Speaker 6: I think again, this episode just got me more pissed
off at Ellie as a character. But I don't have
the comparison of the game, so I don't know exactly
if if what's.
Speaker 4: That I said, what pissed you off pissed me.
Speaker 6: Off at how much of her her rage and her
revenge is just making horrible mistakes. I didn't like when
she says like, yo, fuck the community, man. I know
she has her grievances with certain community members and certain
things there, but I would have felt like maybe it
would have impacted her and if she would have changed
a little bit. But then you've made that case in point, like,
oh you know she is who she is already and
it's just gonna keep on growing down that path.
Speaker 5: So I get that.
Speaker 4: And do you not think Joel would have done the
same thing. Joel would be staying there saying fuck the
community if the situation was switched and he watched Ellie
to death with a golf club and they voted against
none not to go to think the guy who murdered.
Speaker 3: You didn't even have to die for him to go
on around.
Speaker 4: Do you think the guy who murdered like almost thirty
people in a hospital and cold blood who, as Neil
Drumman confirmed, I heard you guys talking about last week,
it wasn't act it's a cure. It's not like, oh,
where they could they've met? No, it was a full
They could have saved the world Joel. All in all,
they and it doesn't matter he killed those thirty, he
killed like, I don't know, hundreds more in the future
for that decision. Like, and the same thing with Abby.
She did the same thing Ellie did right of, Like, Okay,
she went there, killed Joel, but how many people as
she caused Like it's kind of the theme of this
game is they're all making really bad choices with all
kind of you know, it's don't give it her the
rage because look at all the people that have died
from Okay, Joel did this, Okay, now Abby did this,
now Ali did this. Like they're all the same car
just to you know, different colors, and it's true.
Speaker 6: But yeah, like I just it's hard to see, like, Okay,
she wants to help these the religious kid or whatnot.
Speaker 5: I get it's just a kid. She wants to help that.
But then didn't they just see that these religious.
Speaker 6: Folks just cutting people's guts out too, And then sure enough,
here she is. She's almost gonna get her guts cut
out and hung by the religious folks. So it's just
she's making bad decisions with top of bad decisions. And
it's funny because when you see that scene where Tommy
walks in and Tommy, you just there's tension between Jesse
and tension with with Ellie and Tommy's there and I
just feel like he's like, well, okay, I'm gonna go
pack the duffles and he walks off, and I think
there's just this there's this old generation and this young generation,
and it's just like, I don't know how this young
generation is gonna, like would handle taking over into.
Speaker 5: The world, like fuck the community, and Tommy's like, I'll
go pack to Duffels. It's like this justs we're getting generation.
We're gonna have political now.
Speaker 4: Like we said, we were just talking about Joel and
he's Tommy's generation. He would have been like, fuck the community.
Speaker 5: So like, I don't think he would have said fuck
the community.
Speaker 4: He would have lied the community the second the boat ended,
not his way, just killed them down.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, we're not we're not going after them,
right and then yeah, I know where, Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was going to Seattle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jackson would be burnt to the fucking ground.
Speaker 3: Oh but quick, quick, sorry. When she's sucking on the
boat going to the aquarium and then it's like hit
by a wave and then she's like on this island
for five minutes, like and then they she just gets
away and like beat any of that, not in the game.
Not add any tension for you guys, that she got
hit by this wave. My boat was like that killed
at the dock again.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, did you lose your horse along the way there?
John Marson like that's what that was.
Speaker 3: Like, that's not close to the shore, Like it doesn't
make any sense, Like I.
Speaker 4: Know, game, I think they just added to be like
we need action beat here for the viewers. But like
this was it felt. I was looking whack and then
it fell like a dream sequence the way it was happening.
She was like, Oh, this can't be real. Maybe she
got a concussion and she's thinking she's gonna wake up.
I know, it's weird, like Okay, for two minutes they're
gonna maybe kill and then back to the mission. So yeah,
not a game thing, very odd choice.
Speaker 6: I know Ellie is not probably handled a boat before.
But I'm gonna each one of you guys want the answer.
You see your you're on your boat. You see the
big wave coming.
Speaker 5: Are you just gonna go fucking sideways next to this wave.
Speaker 4: Supposed to get I'm gonna stand. I'm gonna stand and
jump into it.
Speaker 3: You know that, you know when you and honestly Stitch, Yeah,
maybe that's what you're supposed to do because you can
ride out the wave. I would have tried that too,
you know what I do.
Speaker 4: I see the lightning waves and go fuck this.
Speaker 5: That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like, so as she gets on the boat and it's
just like pitch black lightning like killer waves. And you know,
I've only played the first game and she can't even
swim in that game. I'm like, man, like, what is
she doing here?
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean anything? I forgot to be able to conquer this, which.
Speaker 4: I get it because it's they're a tack plan. But
even so that the family like to eyes against team
like this is a terrible attack plan, Like I get
it going night Storm won't expect it, but like.
Speaker 2: We lost half our forwards before we've been hit the beach.
Speaker 4: There's literally lightning on the water. They're like, all right,
killed the headlights. It's like, oh my god, it's gonna
go really poorly for you guys.
Speaker 5: So with two more things.
Speaker 6: So that's a great point because in Ellie's rage, it
was just driving me nuts that she sees two guys
on the dock and she was about to just fire
off the area with her handgun.
Speaker 5: She's shaking the fucking thing like she was no skill.
Speaker 1: Like, don't don't shoot those guys, guys, don't don't draw attention.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, already fired three shots, let's go.
Speaker 6: That was just so aggravating that that moment and then
all of a sudden there's a whole fleet of fucking
boats and there's like an army of fifty guys walking
up on the docks. After that, it's just bullshit, But
that's her, that's her rage, and that's her building up
more and more to making a bad decision. And then
the other thing that I have a problem with too
is how everyone just fucking teleports here. Jesse and uh,
Tommy just fucking appear in the aquarium tunnels out of
fucking nowhere, and then Abby just appears in the theater.
Speaker 5: Because they're just fucking teleporting. I don't get it. How
do they know where everyone the fuck is?
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, well Ellie literally said I'm going to the aquarium.
She literally said you follow me, and just like I'm
gonna save Tommy.
Speaker 5: But they knew, like we're going to tunnels.
Speaker 4: Well, well it's just like I'm sure you your gun shots,
like I don't know, like that one I can believe,
and the Abbey one, like you'll get there, like they
explained it. But like it's not just like, well you
get a whole season of find out.
Speaker 3: Abby's not like you think she randomly was in the theater.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's not like putting her finger and putting it
like all the wind.
Speaker 6: So far from what I've seen, that's what that's what
I gotta work with.
Speaker 5: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: To me in the show, they said, hey, I'm going
to the aquarium. They show up with the aquarium.
Speaker 5: I get that.
Speaker 6: They even explained in this episode too, how Jesse found out. Okay,
they were stationed at the theater. I still am trying
to wrap my head around how Jesse found them in
like Clicker Heaven with the smart clicks thet they literally
said that two weeks ago was the map.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's like, oh, nice job, he says, Ellen
wasn't me because remember Ellian didn't have that whole flirting
thing about how yeah the show.
Speaker 3: There you know, jumping off something Taylor you were talking
about there of you know, her just being on this
rage revenge fueled journey. You know, I thought that was
something that I was intrigued to see.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 3: You know, she gets into the tunnels and she kills
these two people accidentally, she says, and then this baby dies,
which obviously is like very close to where she is
with dianaon and the pregnancy and all that. H and
then you know, they they eventually we just kind of
skip once again, we teleport so to your point. He
teleport back to the theater and you know there and
Tommy asked her like, hey, are you gonna be chill
with this?
Speaker 2: Like are you okay?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, Ellie's still out there, and she's like,
I guess I'm gonna have to be. But like I
immediately want like a little bit more resolution of that,
Like how how is she gonna feel about this? Is
she gonna get over it? Is she like realizing all
the people I've killed for this revenge it's like not
worth it, and now killed this like pregnant lady and
like all these change of heart. But like, we're not
gonna get that now because obviously Abby's here in the
theater already killed her friends. So whatever, maybe if she
was right over that hill of forgiving Abby and like
moving on or changing her personality at all, I feel
like we're not gonna get that now, because you know,
she just killed her best friend in front of her.
Who knows, maybe she just kills her right there, Maybe
she kills Tommy. I don't know exactly what's gonna happen,
but you know, I feel like that's what a lot
of the season was building up towards is like either
that final moment where she gets her revenge or a
turn of heart where she realizes that that's not like
going to fix her problems. You know, it's not gonna
bring Joel back and all that. So, yeah, I think
I wanted a bit more. I was kind of excited
to go down that road because I've with you, Taylor,
like I'm so anti Ellie this season that I was
hoping like maybe she has a change of heart and
like can have this character growth moment. But yeah, I
don't feel like we're really propped up for that.
Speaker 2: At this point.
Speaker 3: And I'll find out in seven years, I guess. Or
I can go play the game, maybe do.
Speaker 2: The YouTube movie.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the YouTube movie. Yeah, you guys are talking
about that. Mike's point theory is the show makes Allen
more sympathetic. In the game, she basically has no regrets
and does even cruel things and yeah, that's uh, she
didn't kill those people in accident in the video game, like, uh,
Owen rushes her and then they fight and she shoots
Owen and then she gets in like a knife fight
with mel and then just you er a bit of both.
Bor it's cut scene and then it's like, literally.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Travis, you were just the yeah the people.
Speaker 4: But no, it's literally like you tap square and you
turn the knife and you like stick the knife in. Yeah.
So that that was an issue for me, and that's
where I think a lot of the season has done that,
where they've softened the edges and around Ellie and I
don't really don't really know why. I think they're like
because there's a full journey with that character, and I
think there's stuff that like they'll touch upon that you know,
don maybe you're hoping down the line, but it's just
like I don't. It's like they want the best of
both worlds. They want Ellie to commit this bad act,
but at the same time like, well, they don't want
her to be too bad. It's like, we don't want
you to like maybe not so funny the way that
you guys were talking. That's why I find it so
fa fascinating, because the way you guys are talking about
Ellie in this show, I don't feel that at all,
because that's how it was in the game, where everyone
was like, man, Ellie's a really bad person, Like look
at these things she's doing. But in the game it
was like ten times. It's like, I guess you guys
would just hate her in the game because it's like
like way more worse as far as the things she's
doing and how hard she's going where. To me, in
the show, it's just very like, oh shucks, I shot
this pregnant lady, and to me, that killed all like,
what the what we're kind of leading towards and some stuff.
And they did add what happens in the game the
whole like which I did appreciate that, Oh, cut the
baby out stuff like that. That's not the game. She
shoots her, she does freak out because she sees the belly,
but then Tommy and Jesse are there, right, we gotta
get the fuck out of here, and they leave. So
I did actually like that scene, but I don't know
why why they took make her like I said, Ooopsie,
I shot her. Damn that sucks, you know.
Speaker 1: So toasted you guys. I'm not in their camp, I said,
I met. Sorry, No, I feel like in the vicious
nature of Ellie, I think my holdbacks on like fully
being bought in is kind of what you highlighted there Travis,
how like it seems like she's very like I understand
why she is the way she is. And then it
gets to a moment when she's like like super emotional
about killing someone. And then and then it's just like
you said, it's like they're trying to do both sides
of it, where like she's super vicious but also very
regretful of these moments. And I thought that scene was
like that was the one that made me gasp, like
when it was revealed that mel was was pregnant, and
then it's just like and then here's a scene where
I just thought, like Bella totally sold on the emotion
of like just thinking of like where Dina is, and
like the line that just like totally like like shook
me in the sense of like how fucked up the
situation was. When the chicks like make the incision, She's
like how deep. It's like deeper than you would think
because like obviously she wouldn't want to like poke the feet, right,
because yeah, like it's just like such a brutal situation.
And then you get thinking of like what the fuck
is even gonna happen here, like if she actually delivers
the baby, like she has to like take care of it,
feed it, Like it just doesn't make sense at all
when you actually think about like the logistics of that.
And then of course it like set in like for
her realizing that, and then she just kind of like
lowers the shirt over the belly. Like that was just
such a fucked up like situation, and I thought it
just added so much more to like the scene was
already like she doesn't want to kill these people, she
wants answers whatever, but like revealing that that lady's pregnant,
and then she's just like totally bleeding out and it's
like did you get it?
Speaker 2: You're doing awesome. It's like, oh no, this is so bad.
Speaker 3: Her instructions were horrendous.
Speaker 1: She was calm at first, right like like you have
a knife, get over here, let's just get going.
Speaker 4: I think I think the club loss kind of got
to her. You know, I've never been slicing.
Speaker 3: She was that bad.
Speaker 5: Oh no, that hit an artery for sure.
Speaker 2: It looked like an.
Speaker 4: It looked like a flash room. And she's like, oh no,
it's it's over for you.
Speaker 6: Like it's a weird thought to think too, Like if
she did save the baby and and Abby appears in
the theater and then just sees Ellie with her friend's baby.
Speaker 4: Hey Shields, you know, like like, oh my god, Well,
do you think I was gonna give up Tommy a
lot quicker for a trade?
Speaker 6: Like?
Speaker 4: I think so? Right, if you got a baby to trade,
it's like, hey, you give me Tommy, I'll give you
the baby.
Speaker 2: Let's called Abby's not taking that trade? Come on?
Speaker 3: Yeah, square, Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think just finished off my Ellie thoughts there.
I'm kind of hoping that she's even more vicious come
come next season if she's not dead.
Speaker 4: I don't think she's dead, right.
Speaker 6: But yeah, So do you think that gun shot at
the in the like the final scene, do you think
that was Abby firing the shut off for shot? Do
you think it was a third party fire and a shot?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was talking Shane and I were kind of theorizing
that Abby is the one that gets shot by someone
in that situation.
Speaker 2: To it, I'm just.
Speaker 1: Bad, are fucking wasn't like anywhere in that.
Speaker 3: Fun It was probably right, Yeah, it's probably Dina.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that.
Speaker 1: Would be my thoughts because one hundred percent sure off herself,
that would be bad.
Speaker 5: Just what happened, and they find Dina.
Speaker 2: Just oh Dina.
Speaker 4: She's like, yeah, I don't know if that twist works.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's Dina, but she had like some crazy collad
angle and like clips both of them in the same
way that Ellie clipped both those people. That'd be great.
Both of them go down together at the same time.
You know they're they're revenge led them to each other,
dying in each other's arm poets poetic, yeah, Shakespearean.
Speaker 2: If any.
Speaker 3: Turns out they're both pregnant as well, just like keep
slapping on.
Speaker 5: Everyone's pregnant in this.
Speaker 2: Make the decision.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, let's take another break and then we'll keep
going here. All right, we're back, Someone take us away.
Speaker 3: I got a question for you guys, the other factions
going on here. We got Jeffrey Wright, we got some
other people. Is this like not a complete zero for
any of you guys? Like, what was any of this?
None of this did anything for me?
Speaker 2: Uh, it's not a complete zero for me.
Speaker 1: I did like some of the sequences that we got,
Like with Isaac character, I was really intrigued by that.
I feel let down now just because we haven't had
any more beyond that. Point, like I'm not even like
counting the scene that him and that other lady had
in this in this episode when they're looking for a
quick it just seems like, again, like this probably could
have been safe for next season if it's gonna be
an Abby centered season. Like I like the performance. I
like the torture scene that was just like a really
like like like they've shown good stuff in it, but
it really feels like, Okay, this is future content with
these factions that were kind of being introduced to here.
But with that being said, like I think we could
have cut down on it just because we didn't really
dive fully into the situation. So that's kind of my
thoughts there. I think there are some interesting things shown,
but now that we're at the end of the season,
I think I would have preferred to save a lot of.
Speaker 2: Those scenes for the future.
Speaker 1: Like I probably would have kept the scene when Dina
and Ellie find them for the first time, like when
they're looking for Abby, they come across the walls that
are just gutted and it's just like, what the fuck
is happening here and they just get caught in the
middle of the situation.
Speaker 2: I think there's some good juice there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in terms of like their importance for the season,
it's it's pretty pretty negligible.
Speaker 2: I think they got.
Speaker 4: Another naked guy to fucking interrogate though, you know, and
they're taking his clothes off. Remember the scar this episode. Yeah,
you know, Isaac's gonna be burning as fucking little pecker
off coming up soon. And so the only thing I'll
say with the asterix, because I'll say no where it's going.
I think the only thing it does for this is
it's a minor scene but just sets up how Ellie
and kru can maybe navigate a bit better because a
lot of their forces are not currently in that situation,
like they're all off of fighting and whatnot. Like there's
like twelve boats of soldiers. So I think that's the
only thing it does, is how can she get around
here or there? How like? Cause again, when she pulled
up to the aquerum, there's a bunch of people on guard, right,
but then those people left because while we're going to
war right now. So that's the only thing I'd say
it ads is Okay, it's a reason you could still
do that in the show and then explain it later.
I'm not saying I kind of agree with Kirkland. Looking
at it all now, you probably could have left everything
with them, even Jeffrey right like, and I even like
Jeffy Wright's introduction with the van and the whole exploding everybody, like,
I like all that. You probably could have left that
maybe next year. But I think for the logistics, it's
just like, Okay, how do we explain that the wolves
are a little lowered right now? Okay, they got their
own main ejective. They're not looking for Joel's fucking killer
right now, you know, or Joel's daughter. That's Abby. Actually,
they are looking for Joel's killer. He's that's whole. Aveye,
she's our leader. I did like that when they're like,
well we got Manny and Owen. She He's like, we
got lots of Manny and Owen's like, where the fuck's Abby? Like?
So yeah, the uh.
Speaker 6: I think everything could have been either the heavy stuff
with Jeffrey Wright and these other characters could have been
pushed to the next season. And like you said earlier, Kirklan,
I think Abby could have been out of this episode
entirely and just put into the next season.
Speaker 5: I don't think we needed her so.
Speaker 6: I think she's showing the threat and showing the wolves
that are present and all that. I think that's fine,
but not having them be a main focus, just have
them pop up doing the odd little thing like okay,
because to me that feels video gaming when you're just
you're trying, you're seeing your characters, you're moving around the city,
and you have these other forces just popping up and
it's like a third party. It's like, okay, yeah, we're
just gonna keep on avoiding them. And there there's obviously
another narrative that's unfolding and going on, but we're not
really paying mine to it. The main thing is just
you're trying to find this one specific character. That's something
I would have liked them to just keep focused on
instead of just getting these long sequences with Jeffrey right
torturing and Jeffrey right, yeah, blowing up a van full
of soldiers and all that stuff, and them talking about
don't go to level B you Like, I didn't need
to hear the whole sequence I'm talking about it's in
the air now, Like I would have thought that would
it would the situation would have been informative enough of
them going down there and and Abby chasing the girl
or Allye chasing the girl and seeing like the sports
coming out of their mouth. So I don't need all
these long setups with these different characters. But I mean,
at the end of the day, like the war is
going to be kind of cool to see, I guess
while the war's are already over. I don't know why
they've got with Seattle on what I saw. They've got
the whole football stadium, They've got everything Seattle Seahawks, everything
on their team, and they got the whole like farming
and community and the soldiers, they got the whole army,
they got the Navy on their side, and they're going
against the Sunday squad.
Speaker 5: Sunday Squad.
Speaker 6: I don't understand why they're like dealing with this like
it it should be.
Speaker 4: An easy I'm sure that's what the orcs on'm tron
the King till air Goorne go off that fucking boat, right,
and you never know what's on that boat? Well said, yeah,
just saying I'm not saying the army the Dad's coming out.
There's no fucking magic for you guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my head cannon now at least summons.
Speaker 3: MEEO Mortison casting for season three.
Speaker 1: You know what happens that the gunshot goes off, it
fades the black, and then just the the dead comes out.
Speaker 4: I'm back. I don't know the king is dead. Yeah, no,
I will spoil that. There's no fucking ghosts in this.
But you never know what people have going on, Taylor, you.
Speaker 6: Know, I yeah, I guess, but I feel like they've
really come to know their enemy. And I mean, I
guess you don't want a Russian and wage war right away.
You want to hold off. And I don't know if
they've been diplomatic with them, but from what I've seen,
they like to whistle and.
Speaker 5: They got no guns and they got.
Speaker 4: On the flip side. Though, how do you know they're
not just over there like doing the fucking what was that?
What was that planet?
Speaker 5: On?
Speaker 4: And or episode seven eight nine? Gorman? How do you
know that just got Gorman over there?
Speaker 5: What do you mean?
Speaker 4: Because they're going to war, but how do you know,
Like when you see the explosion everything, how do you
know it's just not the wolves just like massacring them
and they're like, we're gonna extinct these people.
Speaker 5: Oh, the wolves are extincting them. I know, for sure.
Speaker 4: Okay, but that's it when you're like, oh, I don't
know why they're doing this. What if that's just that
they're just like, Oh, we're just gonna take them out tonight.
I can't say getting gutted and investigating naked people and shit,
well I can't.
Speaker 6: Well, I can't say that the wolves are probably all
the most friendliest and nicest of people because the only
foundation I have is based on what Abby's actions were.
Speaker 5: They went out and they killed Joel.
Speaker 6: So the only thing I can really base this on
is the fact that I'm they probably sent over some
guy to go figure out what's going on, and then
the religious folks just strung them up, cut the organs out,
which we've seen plenty of times now, they capture people.
And again I'm not saying the wolves are are the
good guys, but these these religious folks don't seem like
they're very diplomatic. They don't seem like they want to hear,
they don't seem like they want to chat. They just
want to kill and whatnot. But it's unfortunate because they
do have kids. They're trying to live their own life.
But I don't know, like you don't just break out
into war. Obviously that something would happen between these two factions.
But again, that's that's all stuff that could have been
saved more for season three. And I feel like we
got that whole scene of the group walking through the
woods and they were establishing these things, and I feel
like they've established them too early because I feel like
a lot of that is unanswered in the season and
I want to know more about what's going on, but
it has convoluted because you have Jesse. He's like, this
isn't our war. We're just I don't want to die here.
Let's get out of here. Let's get out of here.
And so that's that's where I stand. I'm with Jesse,
like we don't need all this stuff in this season.
Speaker 5: Save it for season three.
Speaker 4: That's not just paraphrasy, you know, Jesse isn't breaking the
fourth wall for those that didn't watch the Nights.
Speaker 2: Looking at the camera.
Speaker 3: We didn't need to have it.
Speaker 4: If we go right now, I can make it a
season three. Please. Anything else?
Speaker 2: Much else?
Speaker 5: That Grover book, huh, thank you?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sponsor the other book? Anybody read that back in the day.
Speaker 5: No I missed. That was a heavy retro Retrospect.
Speaker 1: That was a great children's book that was a heavy
rotation in my house.
Speaker 4: Love Forever so all the time. And then the fucking
Ice Spy book that was.
Speaker 6: On every specific one too though all the time.
Speaker 3: They have that Grover book in the in the game Drivers.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that now, and I don't remember actually
any of those books.
Speaker 3: So they probably just like non copyright stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I can't I can't remember the actress name,
but yeah, shut Jessie. I liked him in Beef neither
something else. I liked him here. I did like the scenes.
I think him and Bella had good chemistry as well,
just as like friends. I liked that kind of very
clearing the air because we can talk about the whole
season and it's not like that in the game. I
do like that never became like a love trying. It
was like you're pregnant and you know it's my baby.
His issue was never oh, you guys are together and
my baby's like no, like she's pregnant. I just want
to get my kids the fuck out of here. And
Eve then I liked the line like hey, like like
I love her, but I'm not in love with her
way Allie was right, So sounds like he kind of
lets someone get away. Unfortunately for those two years, burden burden.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we'll get into that into season three. You
can get a flashback a whole season them hanging out for.
Speaker 4: A couple she comes back and she's like, where's Jesse,
and then it fades the black and then.
Speaker 3: Go on a revenge story again. Everyone wants to kill Abby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets Jack. Yeah, it's just work.
Speaker 5: Maybe she's the one who fired the gun at the
end of the season.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like seasons of people who hate Abby for different reasons,
and then the ninth season is everyone yeah trying to
kill Abby, and you.
Speaker 4: Don't get to present day to like season ten and like, okay,
we're finally in a reveal what happened? But no, I
like that actor. I hope to see him many other things.
He's good to and I like that he revealed that
because that didn't happen the game, that he didn't vote
to go. We all assumed that, right, We're like, oh,
it's like he just didn't vote in general. Yeah, I'm out,
But no, like we all assumed it was Tommy, his
wife and Jesse. So I don't know who.
Speaker 3: I knew he didn't vote. I guess it wasn't confirmed.
Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, I assumed he didn't vote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought we talked that, well what I thought
that episode we talked about that he voted, because then
who's the third?
Speaker 3: No, on that episode I said that, I swear he
didn't vote.
Speaker 4: Okay, no, you couldn't. But I mean, like when US
three talked about it, who would have been the third?
Then I voted? Just something. I guess one of the Randalls.
We don't know. Yeah, maybe they're gonna kill.
Speaker 2: Elliot against the peach.
Speaker 3: Let's go to their story. We'll get the killed three
episode a series of why they voted. That way, we'll
find out their whole you know, ethics, their old backstory.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, like I don't really foresee us having a reason
to go to Jackson really for next season, unless it's
just to like check in on.
Speaker 2: Or something to do at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't think even the games you don't
go back to too much.
Speaker 3: Off screen, say that another horde came and wiped everyone out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like we talked, like we talked about even in
the beginning of the show, like that Horde. That doesn't
happen the game all either. So even the beginning the game,
they added more to Jackson, So I'll actually take that back.
They could go back to Jackson because they added stuff
in earlier in the season that was not there, and
maybe they want to check in because the same thing.
Like I enjoy Catherine Hair, I'm just kind of surprise
that they got such a high caliber actor for such
like a very minor role in my opinion, Like, I
think it's good, not bad to have like great actors
in minor roles. But it's not like with uh, god,
what's his name? He played Bill? What's his real name?
Deep voice of It's not like, hey, it's a minor
role in one episode, but then you're gonna get a
full up. So it's just you give me this, you know,
heartwarming up, very you know, biblical sense of love story.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought we were going to get that
episode this season with Catherinehara and the Eugene thing, because
they mentioned Eugene at the start.
Speaker 2: I'm asking you, I'm like, is Eugene like a big character?
Speaker 4: But neither was Bill? Right? Bill wasn't.
Speaker 2: We're going to get that, but we didn't, so it
was and they said that.
Speaker 4: So I wonder if there was something planned in the
future and everything. But season three, yeah.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 6: I'm waiting for that. That flashback was seth his origin
and all that. The main character.
Speaker 4: You want, the bigot flashback came around at the end,
I guess. But like again, when people drink, they should
be the true colors. I've luckily never had a good
friend be drinking and be like gay guys like I
never just.
Speaker 2: She's like trying to shoots.
Speaker 4: There's no reason for the d were randomly at the
New Years Like again, yes, he semi redeemed himself, he said,
Ellie up gave her a kid a gun. I get it.
It's still like, like, I don't need the se flashback episode.
There's not much there, I think. But maybe he'll go
he's gonna, you know, he's gonna be a part of
the Wolves or something.
Speaker 5: He joined the wolves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got scar find out that like him and
Eugene were hooking up, and that's why he like, you know.
Speaker 4: Patrol exactly. He's protruding. He didn't like what he sees.
Speaker 3: Protruding, projecting, protruding. I forgot the word and said nothing,
and you went with protruding.
Speaker 2: So that's a bold I.
Speaker 4: Thought I heard you starting to say it, so I
thought that's what it was. But yeah, we got there,
we got there. Yeah, no, I guess we'll see. Do
you guys think at least I'll say this, No matter
how many episodes of Abby, do you think it was
smart to end the episode that way where you do
Seattle day one? Or do you think it would be
better just to end on the gun like, because I
know you like that. Somebody would have said you cut that,
but let's say you keep the gun shot. Would you
just cut there than fade to black? Or do you
like the the kind of prep and viewers, hey, like
at least a little bit. This season could be all
of it that like you're gonna get more, You're like
this this. To me, that was a sign of like, hey,
that's the show going maybe forward. For the same way
Joel right Abby was beating the ship Noorra. They did
that ending with Joel waking Ellie up and it's like, oh,
flashback episode. So again, that Abby episode could just be
an episode two. But do you think that was the
right way to end for last in this season?
Speaker 3: My guess would be that, like the casuals are gonna
be like confused either way. And that was more like
a little nod for like the game for the gamers
to say, like, Okay, this is where we're gonna pick up.
I guess the gamers would already kind of know, but
I don't know. Maybe just like that's where we're gonna
pick up.
Speaker 2: I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think either way, it's kind of a shitty cliffhanger moment.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, I would already acts it, so.
Speaker 5: Right, yeah you act, you can get it the fuck
out of Dodge. I don't need that, So.
Speaker 4: You'd rather just Season three, episode one that starts with
that scene.
Speaker 5: Like you're going so they can go that road. They
can absolutely go that road.
Speaker 6: But I just thought, like the gunshot hit and the
scene went to black, I was like okay, And I
walked into my podcast room and I was like, oh,
what's that?
Speaker 5: He ran run back? Yeah, yeah, to.
Speaker 3: Mean as well, I'm done, I'm done.
Speaker 2: Here, all right? Uh do you want to put radiance
on this season? You said you weren't going to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a tough thing. Like it's it's tough because,
like I still think the quality of the show for them,
like even just the filmmaking, television making, whatever, the tailemaking.
It's like still HBO top notch right had some issues
and it's very tough of like to try and disengage
and watch this completely because they're adapt in the game
a lot. But then there's some changes, so it's it's
it's a very tough one for me. Like right now,
I'll say I'll still go high on like an eight,
but I need to really that's just kind of where
I am in the gut feeling, but I need to
stew on it, and I also need to see how
they do. This is definitely one that season three could
impact the radium season two, so I thine season one
that's like a nice clean bow. And even then they
made changes. To me, they all kind of made sense
or I thought, okay that I can see something there
or you got something to build up, so board's like,
oh that was a big worthy change where nothing. Here's
one thing too. I don't think any of the changes
were a massive step up, but then if any changes
for some of them were a step down, not all
of them, but that's what I mean, Like the the
losses and gains. There's much more categories and the losses.
So I'm kind of disappointed that way, because I don't know,
I'm interesting if I'll rewatch the show in the future
after this, other than maybe season one, because I think
season one kind of gets it. But I like a
lot of stuff for the second game, so you know,
I'll just have to play that second game. But yeah,
we'll see it goes. I'll say an eight for now.
Speaker 2: Nice sweet.
Speaker 3: How many episodes was this season again?
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 2: Seven?
Speaker 3: That'll be my score. I'm gonna give it a seven
with a Thunderbolts asterix on the end there, and we'll
just we'll just see, you know, wait and see potentatively nice,
juicy seven, respectable score considering how negative I was this
whole episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sale Field.
Speaker 5: Well, Dylan, actually, uh you said it's spot on. I
like that logic. So I'm doing a seven too. But
I'm not gonna put an as mine. Mine is the
solid seven.
Speaker 4: Really nothing season three because that's the other half the story.
Nothing could change this.
Speaker 6: It'd be like, oh, no, season three, season three is
season three.
Speaker 5: I mean season two is done.
Speaker 4: Happened? Yet?
Speaker 3: I respect that a lot. Actually I don't.
Speaker 4: I disagree with all those Star Wars logic the only
reason War is and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: The only reason I give it is so much better
because this is based on a game that was one game.
That's where I think the difference is where it's like
this was intended as one big product and it's been
split into two. So that's where I maybe have a
little bit of leniency. But maybe you're right. Maybe I
should just be steadfast in my thoughts. So I respect
you for that.
Speaker 4: Do you think they should have done old school like
TV interest one full fourteen episodes, you know, just like, yeah,
we're not good, We're just good.
Speaker 1: Twenty nine episodes, one hour long.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know, like back in the day, like
when shows used to be twenty four to twenty six episodes. Like,
imagine that if they just said we're telling the story
all like all one kick.
Speaker 1: Be getting that fucking Eugene episode. I guarantee you forgetting that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you had like three episode arc of Eugene.
Speaker 4: Like no, I'm not saying stretch it out, just have
like a random art stop stop stop. That's not I mean,
I mean, whatever episodes they're gonna do in the future.
Imagine if they just did them all at the same time,
being like remember one point Daredevil borning and was eighteen episodes, Like, actually, no,
we're not gonna do that, but imagine that they're like, hey,
season three and season four, Actually we're just gonna make
it all season two and it's all condensed. It would
have been bold.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it would work, but it's been crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm gonna give an eight point two
on this season. I did really like it. I really
like seeing the angry Ellie. There's really good emotion stuff
in here. Dina was like the big standout I think
throughout the whole season. She was I don't think I
have any flaws for for the character, and yeah, I'm
that's just a dynamic. I'm curious to see what happens
going forward because I imagine doesn't like have the baby
come like next season. I think we're gonna be picking
up right from where we are and.
Speaker 4: That's who shot Oh.
Speaker 1: God, so I'm taking her pregnant ladies.
Speaker 4: No, I said, I mean the baby shot Abby like
came out of Dina's mood. It's just like fuck you and.
Speaker 1: It's like baby from But no, I think there is
a lot of good stuff in here, but yeah, not
how I would have wanted to end. I think if
we would have really landed the ending here, it could
have been like over nine for sure.
Speaker 2: But a little bit disappointed there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, until next time, we'll see, we'll see what's
going on.
Speaker 4: We don't know. Yeah, it's a long time all right.
Speaker 1: If there's no other wet thoughts for this review, we'll
close this chapter and be back for yeah, some juicy
content and thanks everyone for joining us.
Speaker 2: Ride bye bye bye.