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<v Speaker 1>For decades, people have disappeared in the woods without a trace.

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<v Speaker 1>Some blame wild animals, others whisper of creatures the world

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<v Speaker 1>refuses to believe in, but those who have survived they

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<v Speaker 1>know the truth. Welcome to Backwoods Bigfoot Stories, where we

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<v Speaker 1>share real encounters with the things lurking in the darkness Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 1>dog man, UFOs, and creatures that defy explanation. Some make

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<v Speaker 1>it out, others aren't so lucky. Are you ready, because

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<v Speaker 1>once you hear these stories, you'll never walk in the

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<v Speaker 1>woods alone again. So grab your flashlight, stay close, and

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<v Speaker 1>remember some things in the woods don't want to be found.

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<v Speaker 1>On the first day of April nineteen eighty seven, a

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<v Speaker 1>disc jockey in Traverse City named Steve Cook put a

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<v Speaker 1>song on the air that he'd written as a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>It ran about four minutes, and it was about a

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<v Speaker 1>creature with the head of a dog and the body

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<v Speaker 1>of a man that walks the north woods of Michigan

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<v Speaker 1>and comes back every seven years. He'd made the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing up over a weekend, and he figured he'd get

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<v Speaker 1>a few laughs out of it. What he got instead

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<v Speaker 1>were phones that wouldn't stop ringing, and the people calling

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<v Speaker 1>weren't laughing. They wanted to tell him where they'd seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them were crying. One of them had driven

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<v Speaker 1>back up to a rented cabin outside Luther and found

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<v Speaker 1>the door gouged from top to bottom, with claw marks

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<v Speaker 1>starting higher off the ground than any dog he'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>owned could reach. This is the story of what a

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<v Speaker 1>joke dug up in Michigan, and what people up there

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<v Speaker 1>say has been walking around long before anybody wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>song about it. This is the next stop on the

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<v Speaker 1>backwoods cryptid road trip. Michigan's a different animal, and it

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<v Speaker 1>comes down to how how much of it there is.

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<v Speaker 1>The state has somewhere around twenty million acres of forest land.

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<v Speaker 1>The state forest system by itself runs about four million acres,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes it the biggest in the country. Then you

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<v Speaker 1>add the huron Manisty in the northern Lower Peninsula, the

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<v Speaker 1>Ottawa and the Hiawatha up in the Upper Peninsula, county land,

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<v Speaker 1>commercial timber, and all those big private hunting parcels that

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<v Speaker 1>get posted every fall. What you end up with is

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<v Speaker 1>a state where you can turn off a paved road,

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<v Speaker 1>drive a two track for twenty minutes, shut the truck off,

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<v Speaker 1>and be alone in the way. That means nobody knows

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<v Speaker 1>where you are and nobody is coming. The reports out

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<v Speaker 1>of there breakdown about three ways. Somebody driving a back

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<v Speaker 1>road at night, somebody in the woods to hunt, or

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<v Speaker 1>somebody inside a building after dark with the thing outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Almost all of them come from the top half of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lower Peninsula, and almost all of them come from

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<v Speaker 1>people who were out there for a reason. Nobody in

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<v Speaker 1>this episode went looking for anything. They were driving to work,

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<v Speaker 1>ing up a camp, walking out of a stand, or

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<v Speaker 1>checking a gas well. So let's start with the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Kazlowski drove a truck out of Grand Rapids for

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years, mostly food service, mostly over nights, which meant

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<v Speaker 1>he spent two decades on two lane roads at hours

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<v Speaker 1>when there was nobody else out there with him. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the second week of November in twenty fourteen, somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>between two and three in the morning, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>running west on M fifty five between Cadillac and Manistee

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<v Speaker 1>with a loaded trailer behind him. If you know that stretch,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what it looks like, hardwood standing right up

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<v Speaker 1>against both shoulders, no lighting, nothing on the road but you.

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<v Speaker 1>He came out of a long left hand curve and

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<v Speaker 1>there was an animal standing on the center line. Ray said.

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<v Speaker 1>It was around seven feet tall, dark hair all over it,

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<v Speaker 1>with a chest deeper and wider than the hips, arms

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<v Speaker 1>hanging long, and back legs that bent the wrong way

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<v Speaker 1>the way a dog's back legs do. The head was

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<v Speaker 1>a dog's head, long muzzle ears standing up in points.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked at the truck. Then it took three or

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<v Speaker 1>four steps over to the north shoulder and walked into

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<v Speaker 1>the trees, and it never once came down on all fours.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't stop. He drove on into the yard at

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<v Speaker 1>Manistee and then sat there in the cab for twenty

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<v Speaker 1>minutes with the engine running before he went home. He

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<v Speaker 1>told his wife about it two days later, and he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't tell another soul for six years. He kept running

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<v Speaker 1>that route, and he'll tell you he never came around

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<v Speaker 1>that curve again without looking. What finally changed his mind

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<v Speaker 1>about talking was his son taking a job that put

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<v Speaker 1>him on the same road at night. Steve Cook was

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<v Speaker 1>a disc jockey and the program director at WTCM in

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<v Speaker 1>Traverse City in nineteen eighty seven, and he was also

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<v Speaker 1>a musician, which is the part that mattered. He wanted

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<v Speaker 1>an April fool's bit. He'd picked up scraps of a

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<v Speaker 1>local story about a dog headed man in the north Woods,

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that comes up at a bar

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<v Speaker 1>and then gets before anybody thinks hard about it, And

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<v Speaker 1>over a weekend he turned it into a song, recorded

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<v Speaker 1>it on cheap equipment, and put it out under a

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<v Speaker 1>made up name so nobody would trace it straight back

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<v Speaker 1>to the station. The seven year cycle was his own invention.

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<v Speaker 1>He needed a hook, and having the thing come back

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<v Speaker 1>in years ending in seven gave him what he was

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<v Speaker 1>looking for, and it also gave him a punchline, since

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty seven obviously ended in a seven. He worked

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<v Speaker 1>northern Michigan place names into the lyrics because that's what

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<v Speaker 1>makes people feel like a song belongs to them, And

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<v Speaker 1>he pinned the whole thing to eighteen eighty seven so

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<v Speaker 1>it would have a century standing behind it. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>played it and the phones didn't stop. Here's the actual song,

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<v Speaker 1>just as it hit the airwaves in eighty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>A cool summer morning in early June is when the

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<v Speaker 2>legend began. At a naval slogan camp in Wexford County

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<v Speaker 2>where the Manisty rivet ran. Lumberjacks near the Garland Swamp

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<v Speaker 2>found an animal. They thought it was a dog in

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<v Speaker 2>a playful mood, and they chased it around until it

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<v Speaker 2>ran inside a hollow lag A longer named Johnson grabbed

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<v Speaker 2>him a stick, poked around inside. Then the thing let

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<v Speaker 2>out an unearthly scream and came out and stood upright.

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<v Speaker 2>None of those men ever said very much about whatever happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Then they just packed up their belongings left that night,

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<v Speaker 2>were never heard from again. It was ten years later

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<v Speaker 2>in ninety seven when a farmer near Buckley was found

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<v Speaker 2>slumped over his plow. His heart had stopped. There were

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<v Speaker 2>dog tracks all around. Seven years passed the turn of

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<v Speaker 2>the century. This say had crazy old wit a headed

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<v Speaker 2>dream of dogs that strickled her house last night. They

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<v Speaker 2>walked black.

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<v Speaker 3>Men and screamed.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen seventeen, a sheriff who was out walking found

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<v Speaker 2>a driverless wagon and tracks of the dust like wolves

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<v Speaker 2>and the stock him near the roadside. A four horse

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<v Speaker 2>team lay dead with their eyes open wide. When the

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<v Speaker 2>vent finished up his examination. Becau said it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>they died of fright. In thirty seven, a schooner captain

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<v Speaker 2>said several crew members had reported a pack of wild

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<v Speaker 2>dogs Roman Bowers Harmy.

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<v Speaker 3>His story was never recorded. In fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>A man of the cloth found claw marks on an

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<v Speaker 2>old church door. The newspaper said they'd been made by

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<v Speaker 2>a dog.

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<v Speaker 3>P'da had to stood seven foot four. In sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>A van load of hippie stool a park ranger named Quenland.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd been awakened in the night by a scratch at

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<v Speaker 2>the window. There was a dog man looking in and grinning.

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<v Speaker 2>In seventy seven, there were screams in the night near

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<v Speaker 2>the village ship fell air. Could have been a bobcat,

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<v Speaker 2>could have been the wind. Nobody looked up there. Then

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<v Speaker 2>in the summer of eighty seven near Luther had happened again.

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<v Speaker 2>Had a cabin in the woods. It looked like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>someone had tried to break in. There were cuts around

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<v Speaker 2>the doors that could only been made by a very

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<v Speaker 2>sharp teeth and claws. He didn't wear his shoes because

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't have feet. He walked up just to paws.

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<v Speaker 3>So far this year those stories have appeared.

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<v Speaker 2>Have the dog been gone away? Have they disappeared?

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<v Speaker 3>Soon enough?

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we'll know, because this is the time to

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<v Speaker 2>fear for another ten years has come around. The seventh

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<v Speaker 2>year is here, and somewhere in the north woods darkness,

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<v Speaker 2>a creature walks upright, and the best advice you may

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<v Speaker 2>ever get.

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<v Speaker 3>Is done go out at night.

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<v Speaker 1>The requests were the least of what came back. Inside

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<v Speaker 1>of a few days, he was taking calls and opening

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<v Speaker 1>letters from people who had no interest in hearing the

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<v Speaker 1>song again and every interest in telling him what they'd

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<v Speaker 1>already seen out there, farmers, hunters, a woman who wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>give her name. Some of those letters ran several pages.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of them came with hand drawn maps and section

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<v Speaker 1>lines on them. Cook has put the volume in the

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds over the years that followed. He's been consistent about

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<v Speaker 1>all of it for almost forty years now. He made

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<v Speaker 1>it up. He's never claimed the song documented anything. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>tell you flat out he doesn't know whether the creature

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<v Speaker 1>is real. And he put the proceeds from the record

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<v Speaker 1>toward animal shelter work in northern Michigan, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>strange and fairly decent thing. To do with money you

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<v Speaker 1>made off a monster. He also kept the mail, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the part that turned a novelty record into a

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<v Speaker 1>forty year job. He had a filing cabinet going before

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<v Speaker 1>he had any idea he was going to need one,

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<v Speaker 1>and by the middle of the nineties he was the

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<v Speaker 1>closest thing Michigan had to a clearinghouse for this, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot to hang on. A man who wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a joke song on a Saturday afternoon, and the letters clustered,

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<v Speaker 1>not around the years the song said they would, but

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<v Speaker 1>around the same fifty or sixty miles of the state,

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and around the same short list of

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<v Speaker 1>things happening. Something on a road, something at the edge

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<v Speaker 1>of a field, something at a door. What Cook built

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<v Speaker 1>without meaning to was a container. Before nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a man in Wexford County who saw something upright in

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<v Speaker 1>Canine on a two track had no word for it,

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<v Speaker 1>no category to put it in, and no reason on

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<v Speaker 1>earth to think anybody else in the state had ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen the same thing. After nineteen eighty seven, he had

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<v Speaker 1>a name for it and a phone number to call.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that cuts both ways. When you hand people a template,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get reports that fit the template. Memory

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a recording, it's a rebuild, and it rebuilds using

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<v Speaker 1>whatever material happens to be laying around at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>So a man who catches a dark shape at the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of his headlights in nineteen ninety after he's heard

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<v Speaker 1>that song on the radio forty times is going to

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<v Speaker 1>walk away with a memory that has a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of Steve Cook's lyrics baked right into it. I watched

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<v Speaker 1>that happen in interview rooms for sixteen years. It isn't lying,

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, that's what makes it such a problem. The

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<v Speaker 1>origin story always comes out the same way. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>two lumberjacks working up in Wexford County in eighteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>and they come across an animal that they take for

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<v Speaker 1>a dog, right up until the thing stands up. One

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<v Speaker 1>of them hits it with a stick or a club,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on who's telling it to you, and it turns

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<v Speaker 1>around and looks at them with a face they could

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<v Speaker 1>only describe as human. I went looking for the paper

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<v Speaker 1>on that one, and I went looking hard, because if

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<v Speaker 1>there's an eighteen eighty seven Michigan newspaper out there, describing

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<v Speaker 1>a dog headed man outside of Catalot. That changes this

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<v Speaker 1>entire case. It would mean the tradition beat the song

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<v Speaker 1>by one hundred years, and Steve Cook backed into something

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<v Speaker 1>real without knowing it. I couldn't find it, and as

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<v Speaker 1>far as I can tell, nobody else has either, and

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<v Speaker 1>that includes Cook, who says right out that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know where the eighteen eighty seven story came from and

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<v Speaker 1>can't source it. The date is in the song, It's

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<v Speaker 1>in every article and every video, in every forum post

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<v Speaker 1>written since the song. Where it isn't is in an

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty seven newspaper. That doesn't mean nothing happened out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan lumber camps were full of stories that never got

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<v Speaker 1>within a mile of a printing press, and a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of those little papers from that era only survive in pieces,

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<v Speaker 1>if they survive at all. But a date doesn't turn

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<v Speaker 1>into history just because it has been repeated ten thousand times.

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<v Speaker 1>And you run into the same problem with the thing

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<v Speaker 1>you'll hear constantly, which is that the dog man comes

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<v Speaker 1>out of Odawa or Ojibwe tradition. I've seen that claim

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<v Speaker 1>made in dozens of places, and I've never one time

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<v Speaker 1>seen it attached to a named source or a community member,

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<v Speaker 1>or a recorded telling or an ethnographic collection. The Innihionabe

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<v Speaker 1>peoples of Michigan have deep and complicated oral traditions, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's entirely possible that something in them relates to this.

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<v Speaker 1>But taking a modern monster and gluing an indigenous origin

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<v Speaker 1>onto it without a citation is something white cryptid writers

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<v Speaker 1>have been doing for one hundred years, and they do

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<v Speaker 1>it to borrow authority that the story hasn't earned. So

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing it here. Send me a source and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll read it on the air and tell you I

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong. Robert Fortney told a story late in his

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<v Speaker 1>life about something that happened to him back in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven when he was a teenager out near the

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<v Speaker 1>Muskegon River outside of Paris, down in Macosta County. Five

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<v Speaker 1>wild dogs came at him. He fired a shot and

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<v Speaker 1>four of them scattered, but the fifth one stood up

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<v Speaker 1>on two legs and looked at him. The part Fortney

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<v Speaker 1>carried around for the rest of his life was the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes stay tuned for more bad back Wood's Bigfoot stories.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages, because he said they

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<v Speaker 1>were slanted, and they didn't look like anything he'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen before or since. Now. That account didn't exist in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty seven. It surfaced decades later, after the song

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<v Speaker 1>had already been playing on the radio for years. But

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<v Speaker 1>the background underneath it holds up just fine. Michigan in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty seven had a genuine problem with feral dog packs.

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<v Speaker 1>Counties were losing livestock to them. The depression had turned

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of animals loose on the landscape because

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<v Speaker 1>people simply couldn't feed them anymore. So a teenage boy

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<v Speaker 1>running into five wild dogs along the Muskegon River in

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<v Speaker 1>that year is about as ordinary a thing as you

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<v Speaker 1>could ask for. The strange part is one of those

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<v Speaker 1>five standing up and staying that way after a gun

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<v Speaker 1>went off. The next cluster people always point out as

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty seven, and it's a lot thinner than the

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<v Speaker 1>way it gets repeated. The accounts hung on that year

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<v Speaker 1>involved Mannesty and a little place called Cross Village, which

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<v Speaker 1>is up on the Lake Michigan shore in Emmett County,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cross Village version usually has something coming at

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle or a group of people and getting driven off.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the exact same result there that I got

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<v Speaker 1>with eighteen eighty seven. Everything I found was a retelling,

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<v Speaker 1>and every one of those retellings sits downstream of the song.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll say this much in fairness. Northern Michigan in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven was full of little weekly newspapers, and most

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<v Speaker 1>of them have never been digitized. There could be something

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in a bound volume at a historical society in

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<v Speaker 1>Pataski right now that nobody has opened in fifty years.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody listening has access to that material, I'd honestly

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<v Speaker 1>like to hear from you. The only reason the sixty

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<v Speaker 1>seven cluster matters at all is because of the cycle,

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<v Speaker 1>and Steve Cook made the cycle up. So the question

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<v Speaker 1>isn't whether it's real folklore. The question is whether the

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<v Speaker 1>reports actually pile up in years in in seven. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you get enough of them together, they don't. What you

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<v Speaker 1>get instead is October and November, which is deer season,

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<v Speaker 1>when you've got tens of thousands of people sitting out

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<v Speaker 1>in the Michigan woods before daylight and after dark. Then

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<v Speaker 1>you get summer, when the campgrounds fill up and the

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<v Speaker 1>seasonal places open back up, and then you get a spike.

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<v Speaker 1>Every single time a television segment airs or a local

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<v Speaker 1>station runs an anniversary piece about the song. Cook has

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<v Speaker 1>never once defended that cycle as fact. He built it

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<v Speaker 1>as a device, and then he spent forty years watching

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<v Speaker 1>people treat it like data. The reports that came in

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<v Speaker 1>after the song ran heavy in two counties, Lake and Wexford,

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<v Speaker 1>in that corridor of state and federal forest that runs

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<v Speaker 1>between Baldwin, Luther Cadillac, and Maynistee. If you've driven it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that country. It's rolling hardwood and pine with sand,

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<v Speaker 1>two tracks running off everywhere, and oil and gas access

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<v Speaker 1>roads and seasonal cabins and long, unlit stretches where the

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<v Speaker 1>only buildings you go past are hunting camps. Lake County

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the least populated counties in the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Lower Peninsula, and something like two thirds of its public land.

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<v Speaker 1>Baldwin has a few hundred year round residents, and it

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<v Speaker 1>swells up every fall. The Pair Marquette and the Little

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<v Speaker 1>Mannistee both run through there, and they bring fishermen in

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<v Speaker 1>from April all the way through October. There are thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of little parcels up in that country with a camp

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on them, and nobody living there eleven months out

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<v Speaker 1>of the year. So the people who are in that

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<v Speaker 1>corridor at any given hour are mostly passing through, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're mostly outdoors, and they're mostly out at the edges

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<v Speaker 1>of daylight, and most of them aren't from there. That's

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<v Speaker 1>who's producing the reports. The Luther case got more traction

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<v Speaker 1>than anything else, and it's the only one in this

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<v Speaker 1>entire file where somebody claims to have had a thing

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<v Speaker 1>you could put your hands on. In nineteen eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>not long after the song hit, a cabin near Luther

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<v Speaker 1>was found damaged. There were deep parallel gouges running down

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<v Speaker 1>the outside of the door, and there was damage around

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<v Speaker 1>the frame, and in some tellings the inside was torn

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<v Speaker 1>up too. Photographs got taken, and Cook has said he

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<v Speaker 1>was given copies of them. What made it famous was

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<v Speaker 1>how high up the marks went and how far apart

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<v Speaker 1>the claws were, because the spacing was wider than any

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<v Speaker 1>big dog's paw. I've never seen the original photographs. What

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<v Speaker 1>circulates now as copies of copies, And there's no ruler

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere in the frame, and there's no measurement off the threshold,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's no record of who shot them, or when

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<v Speaker 1>or under what circumstances. The door itself is long gone,

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<v Speaker 1>and nobody have asked knows where it ended up. The

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<v Speaker 1>skeptics landed on a black bear standing up at that door,

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<v Speaker 1>working at food inside the cabin, and Lake County is

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<v Speaker 1>bear country, so that's a fair place for them to land.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been the standard answer for forty years, and

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<v Speaker 1>the folks making it aren't quiet about it. What sits

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<v Speaker 1>right alongside it. And Cook's tai is that the man

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<v Speaker 1>heard something moving around the outside of that building first,

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<v Speaker 1>and he heard a sound he couldn't put a name to.

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<v Speaker 1>In September of twenty eleven, three people from downstate drove

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<v Speaker 1>up to disperse camp in the Manistee National Forest. Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>Voss was thirty one and he'd been camping in that

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<v Speaker 1>forest since he was a little kid. His brother in law,

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<v Speaker 1>Nick was twenty six, and Nick's girlfriend Bethany was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>four and she'd never in her life slept anywhere but

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<v Speaker 1>a developed campground. They took a two track off of

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<v Speaker 1>a forest road and set up in a little clearing

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<v Speaker 1>about a quarter mile in. They had two tents and

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<v Speaker 1>there was an old fire ring. Somebody had built years before,

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<v Speaker 1>and they had a cooler in the bed of Aaron's truck.

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<v Speaker 1>There was nothing unusual about the spot at all. Aaron

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<v Speaker 1>had camped within a mile of it a dozen times.

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<v Speaker 1>Around eleven that night, the coyotes started up somewhere off

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<v Speaker 1>to the north of them, and it spooked Bethany pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>So Aaron explained to her that four coyotes sound like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty of them, which is true, and she settled down.

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<v Speaker 1>They put the fire out around midnight and everybody went

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<v Speaker 1>into the tents. Sometime after two, Aaron woke up because

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<v Speaker 1>something walked past his tent. He'd been asleep maybe an

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<v Speaker 1>hour and a half. There was no moon that night,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fire had been dead long enough that there

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing left in the ring to see anything by.

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<v Speaker 1>He never saw a thing, and he's never once claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that he did. What he had was footsteps in dry

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<v Speaker 1>leaf litter, about fifteen or twenty feet off of his

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<v Speaker 1>tent wall. It was two steps and then a pause,

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<v Speaker 1>then two more steps and then another pause, slow, and

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<v Speaker 1>even the whole way around. Then Nick's voice came out

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<v Speaker 1>of the other tent, real quiet, just saying his name.

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<v Speaker 1>The steps worked around the north side of the clearing,

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<v Speaker 1>and then stopped for close to a full minute. Then

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<v Speaker 1>they started back up, heading east, and then they quit

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<v Speaker 1>for good. And somewhere in the middle of all that,

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<v Speaker 1>the coyotes had gone completely silent. And Aaron and tell

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<v Speaker 1>you when around three point thirty he couldn't take it

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<v Speaker 1>anymore and he got out of the tent with a

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<v Speaker 1>flashlight and there was nothing out there to find. The

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<v Speaker 1>ground up in that country is sand underneath the leaf litter,

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<v Speaker 1>and it won't hold a track. Then in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>before anybody had said one word to her about any

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<v Speaker 1>of it, Bethany asked which of them had walked past

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<v Speaker 1>her tent during the night. She said she woke up

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<v Speaker 1>at some point and heard something breathing outside the fabric

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<v Speaker 1>right by her head, and she figured it was Nick

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<v Speaker 1>going out to relieve himself. But Nick never left his tent,

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<v Speaker 1>and Aaron hadn't gone out until three thirty, and when

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<v Speaker 1>he did, he went the other direction. Aaron got everybody

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<v Speaker 1>into the truck before he did anything else. That morning,

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<v Speaker 1>the tents came down with the poles still in them,

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<v Speaker 1>and went in the bed loose, which is something he

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<v Speaker 1>had never done before, and hasn't done since. They stopped

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<v Speaker 1>for coffee at a gas station in Wellston and Nick

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<v Speaker 1>asked him if they were still coming back up in

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<v Speaker 1>November for deer season. Aaron told him he'd think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he started talking about the truck's transmission, and

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<v Speaker 1>they talked about that transmission the whole rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>way home. They didn't go back that November. Aaron still

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<v Speaker 1>camps the Maynistee. He's never gone back to that two track.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a whole category of encounters out of Michigan, and

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<v Speaker 1>it comes almost entirely out of hunters. Wayne and Rick

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<v Speaker 1>Petrie are cousins and they hunt a family forty up

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<v Speaker 1>in Lake County. There's a hardwood ridge along the north

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<v Speaker 1>end of it with a cedar swamp sitting behind that.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been hunting it together since Rick got out of

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<v Speaker 1>the Navy in the late eighties. In November of twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one, Wayne was sixty one and Rick was fifty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick had dragged a dough out earlier that week and

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<v Speaker 1>wrecked his back doing it, and that's the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>those two were walking out together that evening. Normally they

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<v Speaker 1>come off of opposite ends of the property and meet

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<v Speaker 1>up at the truck. They were about three hundred yards

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<v Speaker 1>from the gate. When Rick stopped walking. There was something

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<v Speaker 1>moving through the leaves off to their left, back in

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<v Speaker 1>the timber, maybe forty or fifty yards out. It was

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<v Speaker 1>going the same direction they were When they walked, it

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<v Speaker 1>walked when they stopped. It took another two or three steps,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it went quiet too. So they kept going

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<v Speaker 1>and it kept coming, and neither one of them said

421
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<v Speaker 1>a word about it. Rick had a light on him

422
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.160
<v Speaker 1>and he never turned it on. About one hundred yards

423
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<v Speaker 1>short of the gate, the thing moved. It crossed the

424
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<v Speaker 1>two tracks somewhere behind them in the dark, and it

425
00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:28.160
<v Speaker 1>was loud and it was heavy, six or eight strides

426
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<v Speaker 1>through the leaves, and then it stopped. Rick started to

427
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.039
<v Speaker 1>turn around, and Wayne grabbed him by the sleeve and

428
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:36.799
<v Speaker 1>kept him walking. They got to the truck and Rick

429
00:24:36.880 --> 00:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>got in and locked his door. Wayne sat there behind

430
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<v Speaker 1>the wheel with the key in his hand, and he

431
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't start it right away because he knew that starting

432
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:47.480
<v Speaker 1>it meant the headlights were going to come on. When

433
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>he finally did turn the key, the road out in

434
00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:52.680
<v Speaker 1>front of them was empty. They both hunted that forty

435
00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:55.960
<v Speaker 1>every season since. Neither one of them has ever brought

436
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:57.519
<v Speaker 1>it up in front of the rest of the family,

437
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and Rick parks the truck facing out now. Dale Kreeger

438
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>was a tool and die man outside of Muskegon before

439
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>he retired, and he's hunted white tail up in Missauke

440
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<v Speaker 1>County since the early eighties on the same one hundred

441
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<v Speaker 1>and sixty acres. It belongs to a family he's known

442
00:25:13.279 --> 00:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>since he was a boy. He keeps a hunting log,

443
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.759
<v Speaker 1>and that's the only reason he's got an exact date.

444
00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>November fourteenth, twenty seventeen. He went in before daylight that

445
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<v Speaker 1>morning and climbed a ladder stand that sits on the

446
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.039
<v Speaker 1>edge of a swamp bottom where a hardwood ridge drops off.

447
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.759
<v Speaker 1>He'd been hunting that same stand for better than twenty years.

448
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Around six point fifty in light, he'd call poor. He

449
00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.480
<v Speaker 1>picked up a pair of eyes about eighty yards out.

450
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<v Speaker 1>They were sitting five and a half or six feet

451
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<v Speaker 1>off the ground, and they weren't down in the swamp

452
00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:47.720
<v Speaker 1>where an animal ought to be. They were up on

453
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the transition where the ridge comes down in among the trunks.

454
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.799
<v Speaker 1>Dale figured it was another hunter, so he held still

455
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:58.160
<v Speaker 1>and waited to see some blaze orange. The eyes went

456
00:25:58.200 --> 00:26:00.960
<v Speaker 1>off to the left ten or twelve feet, and then

457
00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 1>they came back to the right, and then they settled

458
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>on him and stayed there. He says, they were amber,

459
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:09.640
<v Speaker 1>not the greenish white you get back off a deer

460
00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:13.079
<v Speaker 1>at that hour, but amber, and they held steady instead

461
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.640
<v Speaker 1>of flaring up and fading out. So he got his

462
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.880
<v Speaker 1>binoculars up and what he had in the glass was

463
00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 1>a shape standing in between two trees with its head

464
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.880
<v Speaker 1>turned toward him. The head was narrow, and it was

465
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.400
<v Speaker 1>long from the front, and it was tilted over a

466
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.480
<v Speaker 1>little to one side. The shoulders on it were above

467
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 1>five feet. He put the whole thing at close to seven.

468
00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:36.960
<v Speaker 1>He chambered around and left the safety on, and he

469
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>never came anywhere close to firing. He couldn't be sure

470
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't a man. He had spent his whole

471
00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 1>life around men who hunt, and he wasn't going to

472
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:47.799
<v Speaker 1>be the guy who shot somebody in the dark because

473
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.160
<v Speaker 1>he got scared. So he sat up there and he

474
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.599
<v Speaker 1>watched it for about two minutes. Then it went backward

475
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.519
<v Speaker 1>out of the gap between those two trees without ever

476
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.960
<v Speaker 1>turning around, and he lost it, and then he stayed

477
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:03.160
<v Speaker 1>in the stand. That's the detail he leads with every

478
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>time this comes up. He sat in a ladder stand

479
00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>for another twenty minutes with a round chambered, because climbing

480
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 1>down felt worse than staying put. When he finally did

481
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:14.720
<v Speaker 1>come down, he walked out the long way instead of

482
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.039
<v Speaker 1>cutting through the bottom. He and the landowner's son walked

483
00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 1>that ridge in the afternoon and found nothing at all.

484
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>The ground was frozen on top and buried in leaves.

485
00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:27.519
<v Speaker 1>Dale hunted that stand again the next season and every

486
00:27:27.559 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 1>season since nine years now, and he's never seen anything

487
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:34.799
<v Speaker 1>like it again. The one thing that did change is

488
00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:37.839
<v Speaker 1>that he doesn't walk in dark anymore. He runs a

489
00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 1>headlamp the whole way in now, instead of feeling his

490
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>way like he did for twenty years. And for a

491
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.799
<v Speaker 1>man who spent forty years learning how not to spook deer,

492
00:27:46.319 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 1>that's a real price, and he pays it every single morning.

493
00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:52.759
<v Speaker 1>He's got no use for the word dog man, and

494
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.720
<v Speaker 1>he said so more than once. What he'll tell you

495
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.039
<v Speaker 1>is that he saw an animal he couldn't identify that

496
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>was tall enough to look him in the eye, and

497
00:28:00.240 --> 00:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>that he's been in the woods sixty years, and it's

498
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 1>the only thing out there he's ever failed to put

499
00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a name on. Something I didn't expect when I got

500
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 1>into this material is how many Michigan accounts involve a building,

501
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>not a road, not a stand, not a trail, a

502
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.880
<v Speaker 1>structure with people inside of it and something outside that

503
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.599
<v Speaker 1>won't leave, and they tend to run the same way.

504
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.160
<v Speaker 1>Somebody hears movement out on the porch or up against

505
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.480
<v Speaker 1>the wall, then there's scratching at the door, low down

506
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>at first, and then higher up. The dogs inside go

507
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.039
<v Speaker 1>silent instead of barking, and anybody who has owned a

508
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.519
<v Speaker 1>dog will tell you that's the worst of those two things.

509
00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Then there's some kind of vocalization and then it stops,

510
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:44.359
<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the night goes by quiet, and

511
00:28:44.400 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 1>there's damage in the morning. Tom and Rachel Mercer have

512
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:49.599
<v Speaker 1>a place up in Lake County, not far from Luther

513
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that Rachel's father built back in the seventies. It's got

514
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 1>two bedrooms and a wood stove and a well, and

515
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:58.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a generator shed out back. They were up there

516
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:01.319
<v Speaker 1>most weekends from spa go on through deer season with

517
00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:04.039
<v Speaker 1>their two kids, a daughter who was eleven, and a

518
00:29:04.079 --> 00:29:06.599
<v Speaker 1>son who was seven, and a six year old lab

519
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:10.680
<v Speaker 1>named Duke. Late October of twenty nineteen. They were in

520
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:14.079
<v Speaker 1>bed by ten thirty. Around one in the morning, Rachel

521
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.359
<v Speaker 1>woke Tom up because Duke was standing in the middle

522
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>of the main room, facing the front door, and he

523
00:29:18.799 --> 00:29:21.839
<v Speaker 1>wasn't making a sound. He was shaking all over and

524
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>he'd urinated on the floor, which he hadn't done since

525
00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.960
<v Speaker 1>he was a puppy. And then something scratched the door.

526
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>It was three or four strokes, and they were slow

527
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.799
<v Speaker 1>and they dragged, and you could hear whatever it was

528
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>catching in the wood on the way down. Tom figured raccoon,

529
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 1>because raccoons get up on porches constantly. He took a

530
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:45.000
<v Speaker 1>flashlight over to the front window beside the door and

531
00:29:45.039 --> 00:29:47.759
<v Speaker 1>put the beam right against the glass, and the porch

532
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:50.519
<v Speaker 1>was empty. He could see the yard and he could

533
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:53.200
<v Speaker 1>see the tree line, and there was nothing in between.

534
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories. We'll be back

535
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 1>after these messages. He was crossing back toward the door

536
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:04.759
<v Speaker 1>when the scratching started up again, and this time it

537
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:07.200
<v Speaker 1>was coming from a level. Even with his own face.

538
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 1>He's six foot one and he was standing on the

539
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:13.119
<v Speaker 1>other side of that door from it. Rachel had both

540
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 1>kids in the back bedroom by then. Their son asked

541
00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:18.119
<v Speaker 1>if it was a bear, and she told him, yes,

542
00:30:18.480 --> 00:30:22.240
<v Speaker 1>it's a bear, go back to sleep. Tom grabbed the shotgun,

543
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.160
<v Speaker 1>but he never opened that door. The scratching quit, and

544
00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>about two minutes later, off the north side of the cabin,

545
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 1>they heard something that Tom still can't describe to his

546
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>own satisfaction. The closest he can get to. It's a

547
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.079
<v Speaker 1>dog's growl, coming out of a chest the size of

548
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.319
<v Speaker 1>a barrel. It started low and then it broke upward

549
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.119
<v Speaker 1>into a rasp. At the end of it. Rachel came

550
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 1>out of the back bedroom and looked at him, and

551
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>then went back in and shut the door. Nothing else

552
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>happened after that. They sat up until it got light,

553
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:55.559
<v Speaker 1>and Tom went out around seven point thirty with the shotgun.

554
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>There were five gouges in that door. Four of them

555
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>were grouped together, and the fifth one was off to

556
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:04.599
<v Speaker 1>the side and lower down. He measured the highest one

557
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>against himself and it came out right about at his

558
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.720
<v Speaker 1>eye level. There was nothing at all on the porch boards.

559
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 1>There was a dent down in the soft ground at

560
00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:15.480
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of the steps that he took a picture

561
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.759
<v Speaker 1>of and then rode off himself because it was a

562
00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 1>hollow and leaf mold with no toes in it, and

563
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.279
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't going to sit there and call that a track.

564
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 1>The truck was loaded by nine and they were on

565
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the highway before ten, and they told the kids that

566
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 1>weather was coming in. They still own that place. Rachel

567
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>won't sell it because her father built it. Tom hung

568
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 1>a steel security door on the front of it, and

569
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:42.160
<v Speaker 1>he put motion floodlights on all four corners, and he

570
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:46.039
<v Speaker 1>cleared the brush back another thirty feet. Dennis and Sharon

571
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>by a like farm up in Osceola County, north of Avart.

572
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 1>They run corn and hay and about forty head of cattle.

573
00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a yard light up on a pole between the

574
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>house and the barn, and it has been burning every

575
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 1>night since Dennis's father put it up there. October of

576
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five, a little after eleven at night,

577
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>the cattle got up. Dennis knows what a herd getting up,

578
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>and the dark sounds like, so he walked over to

579
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 1>the kitchen window and there was something standing at the

580
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>corner of the machine shed, right inside the edge of

581
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that yard light. It was standing upright, and it was

582
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>tall enough that its head came up above the bottom

583
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of the gable trim on that shed, and he went

584
00:32:23.720 --> 00:32:26.920
<v Speaker 1>out later and measured that trim at eight feet. It

585
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 1>was dark colored, and it was heavy through the shoulders,

586
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.960
<v Speaker 1>and its arms hung down far enough that he could

587
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>see they went past where a man's arms would stop,

588
00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and the head was a dog's head, turned sideways to him.

589
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 1>Sharon came up to the window behind him, and she's

590
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.799
<v Speaker 1>the one who said out loud that the thing had

591
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.599
<v Speaker 1>a tail. It just stood there. Dennis puts it at

592
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>half a minute or better. Then it turned and walked

593
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>out of the light toward the fence line behind the

594
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.839
<v Speaker 1>machine shed, and it went the whole way on two legs.

595
00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>He took a rifle out there when it got light.

596
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 1>There's a low spot behind that shed that holds water

597
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.799
<v Speaker 1>in October, and he found two impressions down in it,

598
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 1>but they were already filling in and blown out around

599
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>the edges. He didn't cast them and he didn't photograph them,

600
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.480
<v Speaker 1>and he'll tell you straight out that's on him. The

601
00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>cattle wouldn't go into the back lot for eight days

602
00:33:17.359 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>and Dennis lost to Heffer that November to something that

603
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.559
<v Speaker 1>opened her up at the flank, and the Department of

604
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Natural Resources called it dogs, and he doesn't argue with

605
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.519
<v Speaker 1>them about it. They're still farming that ground. That yard

606
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.599
<v Speaker 1>light is still up on the pole. Dennis added two

607
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>more of them, one on the barn and one on

608
00:33:34.759 --> 00:33:37.079
<v Speaker 1>the machine shed, and all three of them are on

609
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>a photo cell now so that nobody has to remember

610
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.839
<v Speaker 1>to flip a switch. Jody vander Mullen is a nurse

611
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 1>outside of Grand Rapids. Her family has eight acres northwest

612
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>of Baldwin that her grandfather bought back in the sixties,

613
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 1>and four siblings share it on a schedule that's taped

614
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.440
<v Speaker 1>up inside a kitchen cabinet. Somebody has to go close

615
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>that camp every fall. You blow out the water lines,

616
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:01.599
<v Speaker 1>you shut off the propane, you pulled the batteries out

617
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.000
<v Speaker 1>of the smoke detectors, and you drained the generator. It's

618
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a full day of work. In November of twenty thirteen,

619
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.559
<v Speaker 1>the job landed on Jody because both of her brothers

620
00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 1>were working. She drove up on a Friday straight off

621
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:16.840
<v Speaker 1>of a twelve hour shift and got there around six

622
00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:19.920
<v Speaker 1>o'clock in full dark. She'd been to that camp a

623
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 1>few hundred times in her life, and she'd stayed up

624
00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:26.280
<v Speaker 1>there alone before without thinking twice about it. She got

625
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:29.119
<v Speaker 1>the lines done, she ate a sandwich, and she was

626
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.360
<v Speaker 1>asleep in the back bedroom by ten. What woke her

627
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.320
<v Speaker 1>up her brain filed at first as a diesel idling.

628
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 1>There's a gas wheel pad about a mile off from there,

629
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:40.880
<v Speaker 1>and trucks run in and out of it at all hours,

630
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.960
<v Speaker 1>so that made sense to her half asleep. Then the

631
00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:46.559
<v Speaker 1>pitch of it changed, and she came all the way awake,

632
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and she understood that the sound was outside the window

633
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.000
<v Speaker 1>at the head of her bed, about four feet from

634
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:55.159
<v Speaker 1>her face, with one wall in between. It was a

635
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.679
<v Speaker 1>growl that she could feel in the mattress springs. She

636
00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>counted it out afterwards and set it somewhere between eight

637
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and twelve seconds, and it never broke off for a breath.

638
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.719
<v Speaker 1>Then it stopped, and something dragged along the outside of

639
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 1>that wall. It started at the corner of the building

640
00:35:11.519 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 1>and it came toward the window, and then it went

641
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:16.360
<v Speaker 1>on past it. She got her phone off the night

642
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.280
<v Speaker 1>stand and called nine to one pint one. The dispatcher

643
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.599
<v Speaker 1>put it in as a possible prowler. Lake County is

644
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a big county with a thin road patrol at eleven

645
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 1>o'clock at night, and it took a deputy somewhere between

646
00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:31.119
<v Speaker 1>thirty five and forty minutes to get out there. She

647
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 1>stayed on the line for part of that. Nothing came back,

648
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.800
<v Speaker 1>and nothing moved, and she never turned on a light

649
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.519
<v Speaker 1>or got off of that bed until she saw headlights

650
00:35:39.519 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 1>coming up the drive. The deputy walked the perimeter with

651
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a flashlight. He was young, and he was thorough about it.

652
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:48.519
<v Speaker 1>He went all the way around the building twice and

653
00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 1>then out to the tree line. The ground was frozen

654
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and there was nothing to find. He asked her if

655
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>she wanted him to stay while she got her things together,

656
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:58.880
<v Speaker 1>and he did stay, and she drove home to Grand

657
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Rapids that night and got in around three in the morning.

658
00:36:02.239 --> 00:36:04.960
<v Speaker 1>She never got a report number for it. She's checked

659
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:07.840
<v Speaker 1>more than once as far as the county is concerned.

660
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:10.079
<v Speaker 1>That was to check the area call with nothing found.

661
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Her older brother went up two weeks later to finish

662
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>what she hadn't gotten to, and he came back saying

663
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that the siding on the north side of the bedroom

664
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>had marks on it that he figured were branch damage.

665
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>There's no branch on that side of the building. The

666
00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>two of them have been arguing about it at Thanksgiving

667
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 1>for over a decade now. Jody still goes up to camp,

668
00:36:31.079 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 1>but she goes in the daylight, and she closes it

669
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:36.559
<v Speaker 1>in October instead of November, and she drives the three

670
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:38.559
<v Speaker 1>and a half hours up and the three and a

671
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>half hours back the same day rather than sleep up

672
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 1>there by herself. Doug warringa plowed county roads up in

673
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Masauk for twenty two years. He started at four in

674
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>the morning. He ran a tandem with a wing plow

675
00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.679
<v Speaker 1>on it, and he had the same route most of

676
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:57.679
<v Speaker 1>that time. February of twenty twelve, a little before five

677
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.400
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, he was running a gravel road east

678
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 1>of Lake City and blowing snow. He had the wing

679
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.480
<v Speaker 1>down and the beacons going and he was doing maybe

680
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>twenty five. Something came off the north bank into the road.

681
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Doug says he had no time to break and he

682
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>didn't try. It went across in front of the blade

683
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.880
<v Speaker 1>and he caught it in his headlights standing up, and

684
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the top of it was above the hoodline of that truck.

685
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.119
<v Speaker 1>The wing caught something. He felt it come through the

686
00:37:24.159 --> 00:37:26.239
<v Speaker 1>frame and he heard it, and he stopped about one

687
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 1>hundred and fifty feet down the road and got out

688
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 1>with the light he keeps in the cab. There was

689
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:33.679
<v Speaker 1>hair on the leading edge of that wing plow, and

690
00:37:33.719 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 1>there was a smear along the top of it. He

691
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't see any blood on the road, although he'll tell

692
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>you the snow was coming down hard enough that it

693
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:44.679
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have stayed visible very long. Anyway, he got back

694
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 1>in and finished his route. He didn't call any of

695
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.119
<v Speaker 1>it in because there's no radio code for what he'd

696
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:52.599
<v Speaker 1>have had to say. At the end of shift, he

697
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>pulled into the county barn and he went and got

698
00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.039
<v Speaker 1>his foreman, and the two of them stood there and

699
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:00.519
<v Speaker 1>looked at that wing. The foreman told him it was deer.

700
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Doug told him that deer don't leave hair four feet

701
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>up on a wing plow. So Doug pulled some of

702
00:38:06.960 --> 00:38:08.880
<v Speaker 1>that hair off with his fingers and he put it

703
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 1>in a sandwich bag, and he left the bag in

704
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>his locker. He retired in twenty nineteen. That bag was

705
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 1>still sitting in his locker when he cleaned it out.

706
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 1>And it went into the trash with everything else. And

707
00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:23.239
<v Speaker 1>he'll tell you it's the dumbest thing he ever did

708
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 1>in his life. People ask why nobody has a picture

709
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 1>of any of this. Every one of these happened at

710
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 1>night or right at the edge of the light, and

711
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.199
<v Speaker 1>most of them lasted somewhere between two seconds and half

712
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:37.199
<v Speaker 1>a minute, and the people they happened to were driving

713
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a truck or holding a rifle, or standing inside a

714
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 1>house trying to decide whether to open a door. Doug

715
00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 1>Warringa had physical evidence in his hand, and he put

716
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.360
<v Speaker 1>it in a sandwich bag and a locker for seven years.

717
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Northern Michigan sits on top of the Antrim Shale, and

718
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 1>there are thousands of shallow gas wells scattered back through

719
00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.760
<v Speaker 1>those woods. Most of them are a fenced pad about

720
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 1>the eyes of a two car garage, and there's a

721
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:05.239
<v Speaker 1>well head and a separator and a tank and a

722
00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.159
<v Speaker 1>sodium light on it, and somebody has to drive around

723
00:39:08.239 --> 00:39:11.360
<v Speaker 1>and check on them. Kyle Bauman ran that route in

724
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Antrim County for six years. He worked twelve hour nights

725
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>in a company pick up with forty some pads on

726
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 1>a rotation and most of them sit at the end

727
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 1>of a sand road with nothing else out there. February

728
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>of twenty nineteen, about two thirty in the morning, he

729
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>pulled into a pad off a two track, and his

730
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 1>headlights swung across the fence. There was something crouched down

731
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>at the back corner of the pad inside the light.

732
00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Kyle says, it came up out of that crouch when

733
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 1>the headlights hit it. And the way it came up

734
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 1>is what got him, because it came up the way

735
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.599
<v Speaker 1>a man comes up and not the way a bear does.

736
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.280
<v Speaker 1>He put it well over six feet standing there. It

737
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was dark colored and it looked wet under that sodium light,

738
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and it had a long face on it. Then it

739
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 1>went over the fence, not through the gate, and not

740
00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.760
<v Speaker 1>around the corner. It went over a six foot chain

741
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>link fence with one hand up on the top rail,

742
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 1>and then it was gone into the pines on the

743
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:07.320
<v Speaker 1>other side. He sat in that truck with the doors

744
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.599
<v Speaker 1>locked and the engine running, and he never got out

745
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:12.119
<v Speaker 1>to do the check. He drove on to the next

746
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 1>pad and sat there a while, and then he called

747
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:17.440
<v Speaker 1>his supervisor and what he told the supervisor was that

748
00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:19.480
<v Speaker 1>there was a bear on the pad. And he wasn't

749
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 1>getting out of the truck. Kyle worked another two years

750
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.639
<v Speaker 1>on that route. He never did that pad alone at

751
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>night again. He'd swap it onto day rotation and eat

752
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the extra drive. Deer camp in Michigan runs on ritual

753
00:40:33.679 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and one of the oldest rituals there is the meat pole.

754
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.360
<v Speaker 1>You hang your deer outside where everybody can see it.

755
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Every camp has one, and most of them are older

756
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.920
<v Speaker 1>than the men who are using them. Gerald Ostrander runs

757
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 1>a camp up in Kalkaska County that his father put

758
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 1>up in nineteen sixty one. There are four buildings and

759
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 1>a bunk house and there's a meat pole strung between

760
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.239
<v Speaker 1>two jackpines that has been in the same spot for

761
00:40:57.320 --> 00:41:00.559
<v Speaker 1>sixty years. Opening week of two thousand and eight, four

762
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of them were in camp and they had two bucks

763
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:05.960
<v Speaker 1>hanging By Tuesday night, Field dressed and hung by the

764
00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>head the way they've always done it. Wednesday, around two

765
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.519
<v Speaker 1>in the morning, the dogs went off in the bunkhouse

766
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.039
<v Speaker 1>and I don't mean barking. All three of them backed

767
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.320
<v Speaker 1>into the corner behind the stove and stayed there. Gerald's

768
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:20.440
<v Speaker 1>nephew got up and looked out the window over the

769
00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 1>sink and he said there was something standing at the

770
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.840
<v Speaker 1>meat pole with both of those deer right in front

771
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.639
<v Speaker 1>of it, and it was taller than the deer were hanging.

772
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.719
<v Speaker 1>He woke Gerald up, and by the time Jerald got

773
00:41:31.800 --> 00:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>over to that window, the thing was gone and nobody

774
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:38.079
<v Speaker 1>went out. You've got four grown men with rifles inside

775
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:40.519
<v Speaker 1>that building, and not one of them opened the door

776
00:41:41.119 --> 00:41:43.199
<v Speaker 1>because of a feeling that none of them could explain.

777
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.559
<v Speaker 1>They went out at first light. The smaller of those

778
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.679
<v Speaker 1>two bucks was laying on the ground with the rope

779
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 1>still tied to it and the knots still in the rope.

780
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:54.920
<v Speaker 1>The other one was gone off the pole completely, and

781
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 1>they found it about sixty yards back in the pines,

782
00:41:57.639 --> 00:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>with the hind quarters torn off of it. A bear

783
00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:03.719
<v Speaker 1>will hit a meat pole. Every man in that camp

784
00:42:03.760 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 1>knew it, and said so before they'd finished their coffee.

785
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.719
<v Speaker 1>What they couldn't get past was the rope because it

786
00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>hadn't been chewed and it hadn't been pulled apart, and

787
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 1>that deer had come down off the pole with the

788
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:18.039
<v Speaker 1>knots still tied and the loop still closed around its head.

789
00:42:18.960 --> 00:42:21.519
<v Speaker 1>Gerald has been running that camp since his father died

790
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 1>in ninety four They still hang deer on the same pole.

791
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.599
<v Speaker 1>The one thing that changed is there's a light on

792
00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:30.599
<v Speaker 1>it now wired off the generator, and it burns all

793
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.800
<v Speaker 1>night long, from opening day to close. Most of these

794
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:36.320
<v Speaker 1>are one night and then it's over, but every so

795
00:42:36.480 --> 00:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>often you get one that runs a whole season. Bob

796
00:42:39.440 --> 00:42:42.320
<v Speaker 1>and Terry Lanning bought twelve acres up in Wexford County

797
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:46.039
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fourteen and put a modular on it out

798
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:48.480
<v Speaker 1>at the end of a gravel road with state land

799
00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:52.119
<v Speaker 1>on two sides of them. Terry kept chickens, Bob worked

800
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 1>in Cadillac and he drove home in the dark eight

801
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>months out of the year. The summer of twenty sixteen

802
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.159
<v Speaker 1>started with the garbage. Something got into the cans behind

803
00:43:01.199 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 1>the house four or five times in June, which is

804
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.679
<v Speaker 1>nothing at all. What wasn't nothing is that it was

805
00:43:06.719 --> 00:43:09.480
<v Speaker 1>pulling the lids off and the cans were staying upright.

806
00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 1>Then in July the two dogs quit going past the

807
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.400
<v Speaker 1>propane tank. Bob would put them out and they'd do

808
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>their business on the near side of the yard and

809
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.960
<v Speaker 1>come straight back to the door, both dogs the same

810
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>way all summer long. Terry lost six chickens in one

811
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:28.039
<v Speaker 1>night in August. That run has a wiretop on it,

812
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:30.440
<v Speaker 1>and the wiretop was still on it in the morning.

813
00:43:31.239 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Bob went to the county about it, and the county

814
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 1>told him fisher or Raccoon the last week of August,

815
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:39.360
<v Speaker 1>around one in the morning, something hit the side of

816
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:43.039
<v Speaker 1>the house. Bob says it was one single impact flat

817
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.800
<v Speaker 1>and high up on the wall, like somebody had swung

818
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>a bag of sand into the siding. He went out

819
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 1>with a light and there was nothing to see out there.

820
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 1>They quit sleeping in the back bedroom in September and

821
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>moved out to the front room, Bob and the recliner

822
00:43:56.800 --> 00:43:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and Terry on the couch, both of them for about

823
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>three weeks. Terry wanted to sell, Bob wouldn't because they'd

824
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:06.360
<v Speaker 1>only been in it two years and the well alone

825
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.760
<v Speaker 1>had run them eleven thousand dollars. And that argument went

826
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>on the whole month. Then Bob saw it on the

827
00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 1>twenty first of September in the afternoon in full daylight.

828
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:18.880
<v Speaker 1>He had walked back to the property line to figure

829
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.360
<v Speaker 1>out where the chickens were getting hit from, and the

830
00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:23.920
<v Speaker 1>thing came up off the ground about thirty yards from it.

831
00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Out of a blowdown on two legs. It was six

832
00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and a half or seven feet tall. It was dark colored,

833
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.119
<v Speaker 1>he says, the face was long on it and the

834
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 1>ears were standing up. He backed away from it. It

835
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't follow him. He got up to the house and

836
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:40.840
<v Speaker 1>he didn't go back to that property line for the

837
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 1>rest of the year. The activity stopped in October and

838
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>it never picked back up again. They still lived there.

839
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.719
<v Speaker 1>Terry got rid of the chickens the following spring, and

840
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 1>if you ask her, she'll tell you it was because

841
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.280
<v Speaker 1>of the work. Stay tuned for more Backwoods Bigfoot stories.

842
00:44:56.599 --> 00:45:01.679
<v Speaker 1>We'll be back after these messages. The Upper Peninsula turns

843
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 1>out fewer dog man reports than the northern Lower Peninsula does,

844
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:07.880
<v Speaker 1>and I think that's mostly just a matter of how

845
00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:11.159
<v Speaker 1>few people are up there to see anything. The ones

846
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that do come out of it are usually road sidings,

847
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 1>and they're usually short. Marlene Koski is a retired school

848
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>administrator up in Delta County, thirty years living up there,

849
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and she'd never had anything happen to her before or since.

850
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:27.519
<v Speaker 1>It was March of two thousand and nine, out on

851
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:31.039
<v Speaker 1>County Road four twenty six, around nine thirty at night

852
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:33.639
<v Speaker 1>and she was driving home from a school board meeting.

853
00:45:34.440 --> 00:45:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Something came up out of the ditch on the right

854
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.239
<v Speaker 1>side of the road, about one hundred feet ahead of her,

855
00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.199
<v Speaker 1>and crossed in front of the car. Marlene says it

856
00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:44.280
<v Speaker 1>took two steps to get across. It was upright the

857
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.880
<v Speaker 1>entire time. It was dark, and it was covered in hair,

858
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:51.239
<v Speaker 1>and the head sat low and forward on it. She

859
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 1>won't describe a muzzle, and she won't describe ears. She

860
00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.320
<v Speaker 1>didn't stop, and she didn't slow down. She drove the

861
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.519
<v Speaker 1>last eleven miles home, pulled into the garage, put the

862
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 1>door down behind her, and sat in that car with

863
00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:07.159
<v Speaker 1>the engine off for a while before she went inside.

864
00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>She told her husband that night, and he asked her

865
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 1>if it could have been a bear. She told him

866
00:46:11.800 --> 00:46:14.559
<v Speaker 1>a bear doesn't cross a road in two steps standing up.

867
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.679
<v Speaker 1>He died in twenty eighteen, and he was the only

868
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 1>person she ever told. Angela Preiscorn was driving her two

869
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.280
<v Speaker 1>kids home to Read City from a basketball game over

870
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.000
<v Speaker 1>in Big Rapids in January of twenty ten. It was

871
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.960
<v Speaker 1>around nine at night. There were four inches of new

872
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>snow piled up on the shoulders, and the road itself

873
00:46:34.079 --> 00:46:37.079
<v Speaker 1>was bear and wet. Something came off of the left

874
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.440
<v Speaker 1>shoulder into her headlights. She breaked hard enough to put

875
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.840
<v Speaker 1>the van sideways. Her son was fourteen and he was

876
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 1>riding up front, and he saw it too. Her daughter

877
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 1>was asleep in the back, and she slept through the

878
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.800
<v Speaker 1>entire thing. Angela says it crossed on two legs, and

879
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 1>it was tall enough that her headlights were only catching

880
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:58.159
<v Speaker 1>it below the waist. Her son says the same thing

881
00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 1>about the headlights. He got over to the right shoulder

882
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 1>and went down the bank. She drove home. Her husband

883
00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.559
<v Speaker 1>took a flashlight and went back out and walked the

884
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>shoulder where she told him to, and there was nothing

885
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 1>out there but plowslop. Her son is a grown man

886
00:47:13.840 --> 00:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>now with a family of his own, and he'll still

887
00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:18.880
<v Speaker 1>tell it. And the two of them agree on everything

888
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.599
<v Speaker 1>about that night except one thing, which is that he

889
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:23.679
<v Speaker 1>says it turned its head and looked at the van,

890
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and she says it never did. There's a woman outside

891
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 1>of Cadillac who watched something cross her backfield upright in

892
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:33.320
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the afternoon in nineteen ninety two. She

893
00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:36.280
<v Speaker 1>called the sheriff, and the deputy who came out wrote

894
00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:40.360
<v Speaker 1>down large dog. Two teenagers on a snowmobile trail near

895
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Frederick in ninety six turned around and went home because

896
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.199
<v Speaker 1>something paced them along the tree line for a quarter mile.

897
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>A pipeline crew working in Osceola County in two thousand

898
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.639
<v Speaker 1>and three quit early one afternoon after a machine operator

899
00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.559
<v Speaker 1>refused to go back to his equipment. A woman in

900
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 1>Newego County lost four goats in one night in two

901
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:04.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand twelve. The Department of Natural Resources called it dogs.

902
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.840
<v Speaker 1>She had the fence rebuilt at nine feet and she

903
00:48:06.920 --> 00:48:09.840
<v Speaker 1>paid a contractor to do it in November, which isn't

904
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.599
<v Speaker 1>the month anybody in Michigan pays to have fence built.

905
00:48:13.440 --> 00:48:16.320
<v Speaker 1>A mail carrier on a rural route outside of Evard

906
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:19.480
<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen quit delivering to one box at the

907
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:21.880
<v Speaker 1>end of a two track and made that family come

908
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>get their mail out at the road. And she never

909
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 1>gave a reason that anybody and that family ever heard.

910
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.800
<v Speaker 1>A toe operator working a ditch pull on M thirty

911
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>seven north of White Cloud in two thousand and one

912
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:36.440
<v Speaker 1>left his truck running with the driver's door standing wide open.

913
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.199
<v Speaker 1>A campground host in the Maynistee in twenty fourteen moved

914
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>a family out of a walk in site at eleven

915
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.559
<v Speaker 1>o'clock at night and refunded them and the paperwork says

916
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.920
<v Speaker 1>raccoon activity. A logging contractor in Wexford County in ninety

917
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>nine had two men quit the same block on the

918
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.239
<v Speaker 1>same morning. He hired two more and finished the job.

919
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.639
<v Speaker 1>And a County Road commission crew grating a two track

920
00:48:58.679 --> 00:49:01.719
<v Speaker 1>in Lake County in two twenty found a deer carcass

921
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:03.800
<v Speaker 1>hung up in the crotch of a maple about nine

922
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.800
<v Speaker 1>feet off the ground. They cut it down because it

923
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:09.519
<v Speaker 1>was going to smell. Not one of those is worth

924
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 1>an hour on its own, but stack them up together

925
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.880
<v Speaker 1>and they're the real texture of this thing, which is

926
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 1>people quietly rearranging their lives around one bad afternoon and

927
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 1>never explaining it to anybody. In two thousand and seven,

928
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 1>a piece of eight millimeter home movie footage surfaced with

929
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>a story attached to it about an estate sale and

930
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 1>an early seventies date and a film canister with the

931
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:35.039
<v Speaker 1>name Gable on it. Most of its ordinary home movie stuff,

932
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.360
<v Speaker 1>people standing around a cabin, a snowmobile, and then near

933
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 1>the end of it, there's something out across an open

934
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 1>snowy field, that gets up and comes at the camera

935
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:47.519
<v Speaker 1>on all fours and it comes fast. The camera goes

936
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:49.599
<v Speaker 1>down and the last of it's the frame laying on

937
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:54.119
<v Speaker 1>the ground. It went online and it detonated. Nothing in

938
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Michigan cryptid history has ever caused more argument than that film.

939
00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:00.719
<v Speaker 1>And it landed at exactly the moment when this field

940
00:50:00.800 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 1>was moving onto message boards and video sites, which meant

941
00:50:04.199 --> 00:50:06.000
<v Speaker 1>it got in front of more people in a month

942
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 1>than the song had reached in a decade. It made

943
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:13.039
<v Speaker 1>it onto television, including the History Channel program Monster Quest,

944
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:15.840
<v Speaker 1>and they brought analysts in to look at the gate

945
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 1>and the film stock. Some of that analysis was careful

946
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:22.840
<v Speaker 1>and some of it wasn't. The fight over it ran

947
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.360
<v Speaker 1>three full years. People argued about the gate and about

948
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:29.599
<v Speaker 1>the shoulder height, and about the film grain, and about

949
00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 1>whether the way the camera operator went down looked like

950
00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.440
<v Speaker 1>a man actually getting knocked over. Then in twenty ten,

951
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.920
<v Speaker 1>a Michigan man named Mica Grusa said publicly that he'd

952
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:43.519
<v Speaker 1>made it, all of it. A State sales story included

953
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.800
<v Speaker 1>he explained how he did it, and the reveal aired.

954
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.280
<v Speaker 1>So one guy with modest equipment and some patients built

955
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.639
<v Speaker 1>a thing that fooled a large audience, survived contact with

956
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 1>television production, and got taken seriously in this field for

957
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:00.840
<v Speaker 1>three years. Dale Krieger brings the film up on his

958
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Speaker 1>own every single time this subject comes anywhere near him.

959
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 1>He had heard about the fake movie, and it's a

960
00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:08.960
<v Speaker 1>good part of why he said nothing about his own

961
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:12.239
<v Speaker 1>morning in that stand for years. Michigan isn't the only

962
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>place this comes from, either across the lake in Wisconsin.

963
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Over in Walworth County, there's a stretch of farm road

964
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>outside of Elkhorn called Bray Road. On Halloween Night of

965
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:26.000
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one, a young woman named Doris Gibson hit

966
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:28.360
<v Speaker 1>something out on that road and got out of her

967
00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.599
<v Speaker 1>car to go look for it. And another witness, Lori

968
00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Anne and Dreasey, had seen something along that same road,

969
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.800
<v Speaker 1>kneeling down at the shoulder, close enough that she got

970
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 1>a look at the face. Linda Godfrey was a reporter

971
00:51:41.280 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 1>for a little paper called the Walworth County Week, and

972
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 1>they handed her the story as a Halloween piece. She

973
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.159
<v Speaker 1>ended up working it for the next thirty years. She

974
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 1>wrote The Beast of Bray Road in two thousand and three,

975
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and Hunting the American Werewolf a few years after that,

976
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.559
<v Speaker 1>and she took reports out of Wisconsin and Michigan and

977
00:51:58.639 --> 00:52:00.639
<v Speaker 1>most of the rest of this country right up until

978
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.360
<v Speaker 1>she died in twenty twenty two. Godfrey did more original

979
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.239
<v Speaker 1>interview work on upright canines than anybody else in the

980
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:10.800
<v Speaker 1>United States. And she never had a body either. What

981
00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.639
<v Speaker 1>she had was a filing system. She logged where people

982
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:17.280
<v Speaker 1>saw them, and what the ground was like, and what

983
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:19.880
<v Speaker 1>time of year it was, and what the animals were

984
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.079
<v Speaker 1>doing when they got seen. And the pattern she came

985
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.960
<v Speaker 1>back with looks an awful lot like the Michigan pattern

986
00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:31.599
<v Speaker 1>roads at night, field edges, fresh kills, and structures. Michigan

987
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.519
<v Speaker 1>isn't only a dog man state either. It's got a

988
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>long bigfoot history, and some of that history is better

989
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:41.519
<v Speaker 1>documented than anything in the dog Man file. Sister Lakes

990
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:44.199
<v Speaker 1>is a little resort community down in the southwest corner

991
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.639
<v Speaker 1>of the state, over in the cass In Van Buren

992
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.800
<v Speaker 1>County area and its farm country with wood lots and

993
00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:53.679
<v Speaker 1>swamp cut through it. In June of nineteen sixty four,

994
00:52:53.760 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 1>reports started coming in about a large, hairy creature. A

995
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.440
<v Speaker 1>man named Gordon Brown and his brother describes something at

996
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:04.199
<v Speaker 1>a farm property, and not long after that, three girls,

997
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 1>one of them named Joyce Smith, said a creature came

998
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>at them while they were outside on a farm. They

999
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:12.360
<v Speaker 1>described it as tall and dark and covered in hair

1000
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.400
<v Speaker 1>and heavy through the body. And then it became a circus.

1001
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.840
<v Speaker 1>The newspapers picked it up, and radio picked it up,

1002
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.239
<v Speaker 1>and people came, hundreds of them out of Michigan and

1003
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Indiana and Illinois, driving into a rural township with rifles

1004
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:30.360
<v Speaker 1>and flashlights to go shoot a monster. Deputies ended up

1005
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.119
<v Speaker 1>directing traffic out there. Farmers had armed strangers standing in

1006
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 1>their fields at night. A local store sold what had

1007
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>advertised as monster bait as a gag, and the gag

1008
00:53:40.880 --> 00:53:44.559
<v Speaker 1>itself made the papers. One family had so many cars

1009
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:47.519
<v Speaker 1>coming down their road that the traffic was the emergency,

1010
00:53:48.119 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 1>and there were shots fired in the dark by men

1011
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 1>who had no idea where the other armed men were standing.

1012
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It got a name, too, The papers called it the

1013
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.400
<v Speaker 1>Monster of Sister Lakes, and inside of about three weeks

1014
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.719
<v Speaker 1>that name was doing more work than the reports were.

1015
00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 1>There were monster hunts being advertised. There was a plaster

1016
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.199
<v Speaker 1>track that went around a while and never held up.

1017
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.519
<v Speaker 1>There was a man who came in from out of

1018
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 1>state with dogs. Nobody produced a body, nobody produced a

1019
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 1>photograph worth anything. It tapered off by the end of

1020
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.440
<v Speaker 1>that summer, and by the next June the story had

1021
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.480
<v Speaker 1>moved on somewhere else, and the families at the center

1022
00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 1>of it stayed in that township and had to live

1023
00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.679
<v Speaker 1>in it afterward. That's the part of Sister Lakes that

1024
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 1>nobody tells, and it's the part that every witness in

1025
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.599
<v Speaker 1>this episode is quietly avoiding when they decide not to

1026
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:39.360
<v Speaker 1>say anything at Deer Camp. Sister Lakes ran twenty three

1027
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:42.440
<v Speaker 1>years before Steve Cook ever wrote his song, and it

1028
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:46.440
<v Speaker 1>went exactly the way everything after it went. A few

1029
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:51.719
<v Speaker 1>witnesses described something, the media amplifies it. The amplification produces

1030
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>a flood of junk thrill seekers show up and hoaxers

1031
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:59.039
<v Speaker 1>show up, and whatever the original signal was disappears under

1032
00:54:59.119 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 1>all that noise for good. By the time a case

1033
00:55:02.079 --> 00:55:04.639
<v Speaker 1>is famous enough that you've heard of it, it's usually

1034
00:55:04.679 --> 00:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>too contaminated to work. In August of nineteen sixty five,

1035
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 1>down near Monroe in the southeast corner of the state,

1036
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.760
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen year old named Christine van Acker was in

1037
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a car with her mother on a rural road. A

1038
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.519
<v Speaker 1>large creature covered in hair came out of the roadside

1039
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and reached in through the driver's side window and grabbed

1040
00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Christine by the hair. Her mother laid on the horn

1041
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.840
<v Speaker 1>and it let go and left. Christine came out of

1042
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 1>it with a black eye. The photograph of her with

1043
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:35.719
<v Speaker 1>that eye ran in the press, and it's one of

1044
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.360
<v Speaker 1>the very few pieces of physical documentation attached to any

1045
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:42.800
<v Speaker 1>American bigfoot claim from that era, in the narrow sense

1046
00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.360
<v Speaker 1>that you've got a visible injury on a named person

1047
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.599
<v Speaker 1>on a specific date. But a black eye is a

1048
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:51.159
<v Speaker 1>black eye. It shows you that a girl got hit

1049
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>in the face. It doesn't show you what hit her.

1050
00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:57.239
<v Speaker 1>And Monroe went the same way Sister Lakes went, with

1051
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:59.880
<v Speaker 1>armed men flooding the area and the whole thing running

1052
00:55:59.880 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 1>out out of oxygen inside of a few weeks. Her

1053
00:56:02.679 --> 00:56:05.079
<v Speaker 1>mother gave the same account and never moved off of it.

1054
00:56:05.719 --> 00:56:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Both of those women are gone now, and that photograph

1055
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.320
<v Speaker 1>is what's left. The modern Michigan Bigfoot reports skewed north

1056
00:56:13.800 --> 00:56:16.519
<v Speaker 1>up toward the Upper Peninsula and the counties around Houghton

1057
00:56:16.599 --> 00:56:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Lake and Ross Common. Kurt Halloway hunts a family camp

1058
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 1>in Rosscommon County. It's four guys. It has been since

1059
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:28.039
<v Speaker 1>the nineties, and Kurt is the youngest of them. Twenty

1060
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 1>sixteen firearm season, he was walking out around twenty to

1061
00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:33.280
<v Speaker 1>six in the evening on a two track between his

1062
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:36.960
<v Speaker 1>stand and camp. It's six hundred yards that he's walked

1063
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.840
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of times, and he had his head lamp on red.

1064
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.440
<v Speaker 1>He came around to bend and there was something standing

1065
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:44.559
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the two track, about forty yards

1066
00:56:44.599 --> 00:56:47.920
<v Speaker 1>ahead of him. His first thought was a bear standing up,

1067
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 1>and he actually relaxed a little because he's bumped bears

1068
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.440
<v Speaker 1>in that country, and a bear that stands up is

1069
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:57.800
<v Speaker 1>generally a bear that's about to leave. Then it took

1070
00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.920
<v Speaker 1>a step and then another one, and it walked away

1071
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:03.639
<v Speaker 1>up that two track on two legs with its arm swinging.

1072
00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:06.880
<v Speaker 1>It never came down onto all fours in the fifteen

1073
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 1>or twenty seconds he watched it, and then it went

1074
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:12.719
<v Speaker 1>around the next bend and that was that. Kurt says

1075
00:57:12.760 --> 00:57:15.679
<v Speaker 1>it was close to seven feet. It was widest across

1076
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.400
<v Speaker 1>the shoulders, and the head sat low and forward on

1077
00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it without much neck underneath. He couldn't see a face

1078
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.920
<v Speaker 1>and he's never said that he could. He walked on

1079
00:57:25.079 --> 00:57:26.880
<v Speaker 1>back to camp, and he didn't say a word to

1080
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 1>the other three men that night. He went out to

1081
00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.199
<v Speaker 1>that same stand the next morning and he checked the

1082
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:34.800
<v Speaker 1>two track in daylight, and there was a truck track

1083
00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:38.599
<v Speaker 1>through the sand and nothing else to read. His wife thought,

1084
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:42.440
<v Speaker 1>going back out there was insane. It's the most ordinary

1085
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:45.239
<v Speaker 1>thing I see all the time in this field. People

1086
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:48.320
<v Speaker 1>see something that rearranges what they thought lived in the woods,

1087
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and then they get up before dawn and go right

1088
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.559
<v Speaker 1>back into those same woods because the camp's paid for

1089
00:57:55.079 --> 00:57:58.280
<v Speaker 1>and their father hunted that stand. That's just what people do.

1090
00:57:59.440 --> 00:58:02.199
<v Speaker 1>Arn and Mock. He fished the Fox River in Schoolcraft

1091
00:58:02.199 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 1>County his whole life, Brook trout mostly, and he liked

1092
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.199
<v Speaker 1>being on the water before anybody else was awake. June

1093
00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:12.159
<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty seven, before five in the morning, he

1094
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.320
<v Speaker 1>was walking in on a trail he'd been using since

1095
00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:17.159
<v Speaker 1>he was twelve years old. It was light enough to

1096
00:58:17.199 --> 00:58:19.440
<v Speaker 1>see by, but not light enough that he had put

1097
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 1>the flashlight away yet, and there was something standing in

1098
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the river. Arna put it about forty yards downstream of him,

1099
00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:28.840
<v Speaker 1>in water up to the knee, and it was facing

1100
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:31.559
<v Speaker 1>the far bank. He said it was black, and it

1101
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:33.920
<v Speaker 1>was big through the back and the shoulders, and the

1102
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:37.039
<v Speaker 1>head sat down low on it. It was bent forward

1103
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:39.159
<v Speaker 1>at the waist with both arms down in the water.

1104
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 1>He stood there on the trail and watched it. Then

1105
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it came out on the far side, went up the

1106
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 1>bank and walked into the cedars. Arna fished that stretch

1107
00:58:48.239 --> 00:58:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of river for another twenty some years afterward. He told

1108
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.239
<v Speaker 1>his brother about it in ninety one, and he didn't

1109
00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:57.440
<v Speaker 1>tell another person until he was in his seventies. He'd

1110
00:58:57.440 --> 00:58:59.760
<v Speaker 1>give the location to anybody who asked him for it,

1111
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:02.239
<v Speaker 1>And a few people went out there and looked, and

1112
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.400
<v Speaker 1>nobody ever found a thing. The Upper Peninsula bigfoot material

1113
00:59:06.519 --> 00:59:08.679
<v Speaker 1>is older, and it's quieter than what comes out of

1114
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:11.159
<v Speaker 1>the Lower Peninsula, and a lot of it comes from

1115
00:59:11.199 --> 00:59:14.440
<v Speaker 1>people whose job put them out in the timber Ron

1116
00:59:14.480 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 1>sarkn and cruise timber for a paper company for twenty

1117
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.480
<v Speaker 1>six years. Cruising means you walk a block ahead of

1118
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.679
<v Speaker 1>a sale, and you run compass lines and measure trees

1119
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and mark boundaries, and you do all of it alone

1120
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:30.000
<v Speaker 1>all day in country that doesn't have roads through it.

1121
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:33.320
<v Speaker 1>Spring of nineteen ninety eight, he was working a block

1122
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.199
<v Speaker 1>in Menominee County. It was mixed hardwood with some hemlock

1123
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:40.039
<v Speaker 1>in it and a creek bottom running along the east side,

1124
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 1>and he'd already been in it two days. Second afternoon,

1125
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:46.000
<v Speaker 1>he was running the north boundary when something knocked on

1126
00:59:46.039 --> 00:59:49.800
<v Speaker 1>wood behind him. It was one sharp crack, the sound

1127
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.000
<v Speaker 1>of hardwood limb makes when you swing it into a

1128
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.760
<v Speaker 1>standing trunk. He hollered because he figured it was another

1129
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:59.880
<v Speaker 1>crew and nothing came back. Ten minutes later, it happened

1130
00:59:59.880 --> 01:00:02.760
<v Speaker 1>to twice more from a different direction, and then a

1131
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.360
<v Speaker 1>rock came through the canopy off to his right and

1132
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:08.280
<v Speaker 1>hit the ground about fifteen feet from him. It was

1133
01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:10.639
<v Speaker 1>about the size of a grapefruit, and it was wet

1134
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.400
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom and there was dirt still packed onto it.

1135
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.760
<v Speaker 1>He didn't finish the line. It took him forty minutes

1136
01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:19.599
<v Speaker 1>to walk out to the truck. The next morning, he

1137
01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:22.679
<v Speaker 1>went back out with his crew boss, a man named Denny,

1138
01:00:22.679 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 1>who had been cruising timber since the sixties, and he

1139
01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:27.320
<v Speaker 1>told him he wanted a second set of eyes on

1140
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a boundary question Down in a skid trail left over

1141
01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:33.719
<v Speaker 1>from an old sail, they found a track pressed into

1142
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 1>mud with water standing in the bottom of it. Ron

1143
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.039
<v Speaker 1>set his own boot down alongside it. He wears an eleven,

1144
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:42.320
<v Speaker 1>and that track was a good deal longer than his

1145
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:45.079
<v Speaker 1>boot was. Denny looked at it for a while and

1146
01:00:45.119 --> 01:00:48.000
<v Speaker 1>then said they ought to get back to work. Ron

1147
01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.039
<v Speaker 1>never took a picture of it, and that's the part

1148
01:00:50.039 --> 01:00:53.320
<v Speaker 1>he choose on more than the rock. There was a

1149
01:00:53.320 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 1>camera sitting in the truck for documenting timber defects. What

1150
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.360
<v Speaker 1>he'll tell you is that in nineteen ninety eight you

1151
01:00:59.400 --> 01:01:02.199
<v Speaker 1>had twenty four exposures on a roll and you didn't

1152
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 1>waste them. The company cut that block about two years later,

1153
01:01:05.880 --> 01:01:08.480
<v Speaker 1>and Ron ran the boundary line for the sale himself.

1154
01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:12.159
<v Speaker 1>The Michigan Department of Natural Resources has been saying the

1155
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.480
<v Speaker 1>same thing about all of this for decades. They've no

1156
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:19.480
<v Speaker 1>evidence of any unclassified large mammal in the state, and

1157
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.800
<v Speaker 1>what people are describing lines up with black bears and

1158
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 1>with coyotes carrying heavy hair loss from mange. The wildlife

1159
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.480
<v Speaker 1>biologists who get asked about the dog man say it

1160
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:34.199
<v Speaker 1>in about the same words. That's the official position, and

1161
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.519
<v Speaker 1>it has been the official position for as long as

1162
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.599
<v Speaker 1>there has been a dog Man to have a position

1163
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:42.679
<v Speaker 1>about Steve Cook's song is still the most requested record

1164
01:01:42.679 --> 01:01:46.000
<v Speaker 1>that station ever put on the air. What's left over

1165
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:48.760
<v Speaker 1>after the bears and the mange and the hoaxes have

1166
01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.840
<v Speaker 1>all taken their share is a shape that keeps repeating,

1167
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.760
<v Speaker 1>something that stands up and then stays standing up while

1168
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:59.119
<v Speaker 1>it moves, a head that people keep calling a dog's

1169
01:01:59.159 --> 01:02:01.760
<v Speaker 1>head when they've gotten no particular reason to reach for that.

1170
01:02:02.599 --> 01:02:05.079
<v Speaker 1>And an animal that looks at people instead of running

1171
01:02:05.119 --> 01:02:08.239
<v Speaker 1>from them, and that has walked right up onto porches

1172
01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:11.119
<v Speaker 1>with the lights on. And the people in this episode

1173
01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:14.119
<v Speaker 1>aren't a type. You've got a truck driver, a nurse,

1174
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.360
<v Speaker 1>a farm couple, a gas field operator, a plow driver,

1175
01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:20.360
<v Speaker 1>a timber cruiser, and four men at a deer camp

1176
01:02:20.360 --> 01:02:22.639
<v Speaker 1>who have been going up to the same four buildings

1177
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:25.920
<v Speaker 1>since the nineties. What they've in common is that almost

1178
01:02:25.920 --> 01:02:29.039
<v Speaker 1>none of them told anybody for years, and every last

1179
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.960
<v Speaker 1>one of them changed something afterward. A light, a door,

1180
01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:36.639
<v Speaker 1>a root, a season. In most of the places we've

1181
01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:39.320
<v Speaker 1>stopped on this road trip, the legend has been bigger

1182
01:02:39.360 --> 01:02:43.199
<v Speaker 1>than the reports. Selbyville has a legend and almost nothing

1183
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:46.920
<v Speaker 1>standing behind it. The infield horror is a few weeks

1184
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:51.000
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy three, and then silence. Michigan runs the

1185
01:02:51.039 --> 01:02:54.320
<v Speaker 1>other way around. Steve Cook wrote a novelty record as

1186
01:02:54.320 --> 01:02:56.880
<v Speaker 1>an April fool's joke and pulled the plug out of

1187
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.880
<v Speaker 1>a drain, And forty years later it still hasn't stopped,

1188
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:03.039
<v Speaker 1>and what keeps coming out of it are truck drivers

1189
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and tool and dime in and retired school administrators and

1190
01:03:06.599 --> 01:03:09.880
<v Speaker 1>nurses closing up the family camp alone in November, and

1191
01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:13.000
<v Speaker 1>eleven year old girls whose fathers put floodlights on all

1192
01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:16.239
<v Speaker 1>four corners of a cabin. Tom Mercer never did replace

1193
01:03:16.320 --> 01:03:18.960
<v Speaker 1>that first door. The steel one went on the front

1194
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.480
<v Speaker 1>where the old one had hung, and the old one,

1195
01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:24.039
<v Speaker 1>the one with the five gouges in it, went out

1196
01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:27.719
<v Speaker 1>to the generator shed. It's leaning against the back wall

1197
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 1>out there behind a chest freezer with a tarp thrown

1198
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.599
<v Speaker 1>over it. He kept it because his father in law

1199
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.400
<v Speaker 1>hung that door in nineteen seventy six and he wasn't

1200
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:38.039
<v Speaker 1>going to be the one who burned it. So that's Michigan.

1201
01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:40.159
<v Speaker 1>We'll load the truck in the morning and hit the

1202
01:03:40.239 --> 01:03:43.320
<v Speaker 1>highway because there's another state out there with a road.

1203
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Nobody likes driving after dark, and somebody living on it

1204
01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:49.840
<v Speaker 1>who's never told a soul what they saw. I'll see

1205
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you back here for that one, and until then you

1206
01:03:52.480 --> 01:04:32.920
<v Speaker 1>might want to leave the porch light on.

1207
01:04:52.480 --> 01:05:47.440
<v Speaker 3>Didn' do
