Speaker 1: Something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: A welcome to the occult Rejects today. We got a
Speaker 3: packed house. We got ten of us up in here today. Uh,
Speaker 3: and we're gonna have all the rejects introduce themselves. Be
Speaker 3: we until we get to the man of the hour,
Speaker 3: the very special guests for you, Lisa, please you ocult
Speaker 3: rejected bad scientists. Let everybody know what you're dealing with.
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 4: Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you
Speaker 4: for the invitation. Thank you everybody. The only thing I
Speaker 4: have to plug is a cult Research Institute dot org
Speaker 4: where a lot of our fellow occult researchers are contributing.
Speaker 4: So that's it for me. And I'm very excited to
Speaker 4: hear about to hear a thing that Greg has to
Speaker 4: say today.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Yes to me too. Thank you very much for
Speaker 3: joining us. And Jin Friday the Ninja what's going on?
Speaker 5: Thanks you, Thank you boss. Not Friday today, but and
Speaker 5: thank you to Greg Carlwitod. Obviously I'm really excited and
Speaker 5: slash nervous, but so I host the show called Threshold Saints,
Speaker 5: which is serial experiments and speculative ontology it's metamagic, meta
Speaker 5: reality and metaphysics. And then I also co host a
Speaker 5: Friday night space we called Friday Night Nastic Mass called
Speaker 5: the Gray Lodge, which Nick was so great to jump
Speaker 5: on last week when I was gone. So we've launched
Speaker 5: a of the Daughter, which is an eleven part gospel
Speaker 5: of love, as well as our book club. And then
Speaker 5: also we're doing a new series called Welcome to Hapaboia,
Speaker 5: which is a sort of modern American narcissism. So yeah,
Speaker 5: you can check me out insta, ig, Twitter, all that
Speaker 5: and my link tree will be blown.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Awesome, thank you, sir and JJ Vance.
Speaker 3: What is going on, sir.
Speaker 6: Nick greeting sir, appreciate the advice always fellow cult rejects.
Speaker 7: Greg Carlwood.
Speaker 6: Great to meet you, sir, JJ Vance, host of Operation
Speaker 6: GCD and more notably not the vice president the Operation
Speaker 6: GCD Live every Wednesday, Fridays with the Ocult Rejects every
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Speaker 6: Sundays here at Operation GCD, eight pm. Looking forward to
Speaker 6: the conversation. Always great to you know, meet all the
Speaker 6: occult rejects. This is the big, big team we got
Speaker 6: here today.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, hell yeah, thank you very much. And Ethan Indigo, sir,
Speaker 3: what is going on?
Speaker 1: Peace? Salute to everybody. Glad to be here. I'm a
Speaker 1: writer on the esoteric and the exoteric and can be
Speaker 1: found really easily and check out Occult Research Institute. Glad
Speaker 1: to be here with everyone.
Speaker 3: Thank you. And another special guest we got with us today.
Speaker 3: This man has been along a journey really with the
Speaker 3: Occult Rejects, and I think some of the best work
Speaker 3: that has been done on this show has been done
Speaker 3: with him, so I wanted to get him involved. We
Speaker 3: got Mario from Symbolic Studies, the Tarot man himself. Please
Speaker 3: let everybody know what is up.
Speaker 8: Yeah, for sure, Thanks for the invite, dude. My project
Speaker 8: is called Symbolic Studies. You can find all my stuff
Speaker 8: at Symbolic Studies dot com. I do short form videos
Speaker 8: available for terror readings. I've got presentations on my YouTube
Speaker 8: all that kind of stuff. Stuck to talk to Greg
Speaker 8: and everyone else, So yeah, thanks again.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course. And we got Ricardo. Please, sir,
Speaker 3: let everybody know what your deal is and where they
Speaker 3: can find all your amazing research.
Speaker 9: Thank you, An, Thank you for the invite good living
Speaker 9: to everyone. I'm very excited to listen from Greg today
Speaker 9: and see what he has to say. And as for me,
Speaker 9: I'm a multi Sumari researcher and you can find all
Speaker 9: about me and my ex account as it is in
Speaker 9: the screen at dot calvery wan at x do check
Speaker 9: out our magazine Pharohs. You can find it at the
Speaker 9: Institute for Natural Philosophy dot org.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Nick, No, of course, thank you. And we
Speaker 3: got the Cosmic Peach yourself, Julia, what is going on?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 10: Nick? I'm so excited for this one. I've been looking
Speaker 10: forward to it. Have Cosmic Peach Podcasts wherever you listen
Speaker 10: or find your podcast. If you haven't found me yet, yeah,
Speaker 10: never will.
Speaker 2: But I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me
Speaker 2: of course, of course.
Speaker 3: And last but not least, the moment slayer herself Heidy Love.
Speaker 11: Hello everybody. I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm
Speaker 11: everywhere podcasts are served. I do have my own website,
Speaker 11: Unfiltered ricepodcast dot com, and I'm better known as the
Speaker 11: ex Mormon Girl Helliah.
Speaker 12: Nice to meet you, Greg, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. And finally, last,
Speaker 3: but not least, the man of the hour. I'm sure
Speaker 3: everybody knows who he is. He's a the og for
Speaker 3: twenty friendly conspiracy theorist. We're on the streets. He smoked
Speaker 3: blunts with Bigfoot, and he's ripped bong hits a bohemia.
Speaker 3: We got Greg Callwood from the Higher Side Chats up
Speaker 3: in here today. Greg, please let everybody know what the
Speaker 3: hell is up and what's going on. Hey, thank you
Speaker 3: for having me.
Speaker 7: No pressure, right, I mean, I really am just a
Speaker 7: regular guy and have a regular guy's level of knowledge.
Speaker 7: You guys all probably know a lot more about the
Speaker 7: occult than me, but people know me because I got
Speaker 7: in there first. I've been doing the podcast for fifteen years.
Speaker 7: The Higher Side Chats dot com is the place to go,
Speaker 7: and it really is all the great guests I've had
Speaker 7: over the years that make the show what it is.
Speaker 7: I'm just a guy asking some questions and some of
Speaker 7: it sticks, but a lot of times it's like preparing
Speaker 7: for a book report. You cram, you do the thing,
Speaker 7: and then you're like, all right, that's done. But after
Speaker 7: fifteen years, hopefully I remember some things and have some
Speaker 7: interesting things to bring up, but pleasure to meet everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you very much. I totally understand what
Speaker 3: you're saying about forgetting stuff because like between everybody, I
Speaker 3: work with you, but like, don't you remember when we
Speaker 3: talked about so and so, And I'm like, no, sorry,
Speaker 3: I don't. That was three weeks ago. I don't remember.
Speaker 3: There's so many there was ten other shows in there
Speaker 3: that I remember, you know, partial stuff I just forgot.
Speaker 3: But as it all does lead together, Yeah, I'm glad
Speaker 3: I'm not the only one. Thank you, so Greg. I figured.
Speaker 3: I mean, besides that, there's you know, nine other people here.
Speaker 3: Everybody's got questions. But I did think maybe kind of
Speaker 3: just set it off. As you know, again you've been
Speaker 3: around for a while, you do touch on the occult
Speaker 3: besides other things. I guess just kind of wanted to know,
Speaker 3: like you know, your experience and the occult with the
Speaker 3: journey through your podcast, maybe things that opened up your thinking,
Speaker 3: things that surprised you. I don't know, people that impacted
Speaker 3: you go to a bad and it doesn't you know,
Speaker 3: have to necessarily be putting the person down. I say bad.
Speaker 3: It just you know, stuff like that and just really
Speaker 3: free flowing. But I guess maybe just started off like, well,
Speaker 3: first off, what even got you into starting the highest
Speaker 3: side of chats?
Speaker 7: Well, I was always kind of anti authoritarian and into
Speaker 7: conspiracies and even things like the Lockness monster in Bigfoot
Speaker 7: and UFOs that gets you going when you're young. I
Speaker 7: liked punk music, so I also kind of grew up
Speaker 7: in a repressive Catholic school environment in the Midwest, so
Speaker 7: religiosity was definitely there. Obviously it's an anti occult environment,
Speaker 7: but it's still in the mix. And I tried on
Speaker 7: atheism for a long time, and it was just like,
Speaker 7: you know what if I think this is bullshit, if
Speaker 7: I think that it's wrapped up in a lot of
Speaker 7: nasty stuff with the Vatican and all this, well, you know,
Speaker 7: if I don't trust these people, maybe the whole thing
Speaker 7: is bullshit. And I think a lot of people eventually
Speaker 7: come out of that. Again, if you go through it,
Speaker 7: it's more about the environment you're in. It's more about
Speaker 7: the indoctrination of traditional, almost corporatized religion. And you don't
Speaker 7: have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. And
Speaker 7: I had to remind myself that little things happened when
Speaker 7: I was young that blew the doors off materialism, and
Speaker 7: I was conveniently ignoring some of those things. Like one
Speaker 7: of the craziest was when I was in about the
Speaker 7: preschool age. I didn't This kind of makes my parents
Speaker 7: look bad, but I did not wear my seat belt much.
Speaker 7: There were not car seats at least at this age,
Speaker 7: even though now I see people putting kids in car
Speaker 7: seats for a long time. But regardless, I was on
Speaker 7: my way to something with my mom and I had
Speaker 7: this inner voice say put your seat belt on, and
Speaker 7: it was incredibly aggressive, and for some reason I listened,
Speaker 7: and we were in a car accident. My mom got
Speaker 7: t boned like five minutes later, And I would never
Speaker 7: forget that that was the reason why I didn't find
Speaker 7: it and why I wasn't even being asked to do it.
Speaker 7: And I think my parents just got sick of how
Speaker 7: stubborn I was. And in this particular instance, this inner
Speaker 7: voice was so loud. I was like, that was definitely intuition,
Speaker 7: some guardian ange type thing. I don't know if that's
Speaker 7: the higher self, whatever it is, but I think a
Speaker 7: lot of us have telephone telepathy or we see something strange. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's often in those early years, and then we might
Speaker 7: put it away and be like, well, I'm not going
Speaker 7: to hinge my entire worldview on the five seconds which
Speaker 7: I saw something that defied reality. Maybe I was mistaken
Speaker 7: back then, but I swung back obviously I was into conspiracy,
Speaker 7: and it's very adjacent. I always liked the David Ike
Speaker 7: flavor of conspiracy more than the Alex Jones angry Patriot
Speaker 7: Texas thing. That didn't really resonate with me, maybe because
Speaker 7: it was too close to home the way I grew up,
Speaker 7: and I mean, my parents were very normal, which allowed
Speaker 7: me to be normal too. But outside of the confines
Speaker 7: of my home in the Midwest, in rural Missouri, Arnold, Missouri,
Speaker 7: you see a lot of stuff the parents of the
Speaker 7: kids are going to school with, you know, And I
Speaker 7: think that's great because some people were way more of
Speaker 7: the mindset that they were drinking the kool aid and
Speaker 7: still do and all always have people I still like.
Speaker 7: But they didn't try on any other hats because in
Speaker 7: their house it wasn't tampered down at all. It was
Speaker 7: still like as intense as it was at school. So,
Speaker 7: you know, whatever. But I think if you go into
Speaker 7: conspiracy long enough. It definitely crosses over into occult area
Speaker 7: as you start looking at symbolism. I saw an early
Speaker 7: documentary on marketing and just subliminal messages in marketing, and
Speaker 7: then that gets adjacent to magic. And it was guests
Speaker 7: like Gordon White who kind of recontextualized the sie effects
Speaker 7: and the telephone telepathy type of thing and said, no,
Speaker 7: that is magic. That is a product of a magical universe.
Speaker 7: And I think it's kind of a changing of the
Speaker 7: definition that made me feel like the world is more magical.
Speaker 7: And you know, the rest is kind of history.
Speaker 3: It's interesting, kind of I guess we should a little
Speaker 3: bit of the same situation where it went from uh,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of Catholicism Catholic into thinking there's something
Speaker 3: wrong with the church because of the conspiracies, and then
Speaker 3: I become an atheist. And then about five years later
Speaker 3: I found myself in the OTO.
Speaker 7: Did not go that, No, you know I did. But
Speaker 7: is next magic really the big secret at the end
Speaker 7: of that.
Speaker 3: For me my magical experience, yea, I think I was
Speaker 3: given some secrets, yes, so, but not at the OTO.
Speaker 3: It was not wait oh sorry, did you wait? Stay?
Speaker 3: What did you say?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, you know, that's the whole thing and the experiences
Speaker 3: that I had. There was no ritual done, no sex,
Speaker 3: and all I did was meditate. Did you see the
Speaker 3: Gnostic Mass? Oh, I've been in the Gnostic Mass plenty
Speaker 3: of times.
Speaker 7: Did you see the full apparently the real Gnostic Mass
Speaker 7: they're banging.
Speaker 3: I've never seen anything else besides breasts.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, I thought you said, Nick, you saw they
Speaker 10: always picked the big fat chicks to get up there
Speaker 10: and take their tops, didn't they.
Speaker 3: Well, just from my experience, I mean, listen, I'm not
Speaker 3: break and saying I'm God's gift of women, but I
Speaker 3: did not want to see any of those women naked anyways,
Speaker 3: just just keeping it, keeping it real.
Speaker 12: Mormons don't get naked either, No naked.
Speaker 3: I figure out I was going somewhere with this. I forgot,
Speaker 3: but oh yeah, yeah, there was there was no sex
Speaker 3: my I I again, I mean I was only there
Speaker 3: for five or six years. Only went up a few degrees.
Speaker 3: You have to go past the fourth like if the
Speaker 3: fourth you get shoulder taped to go pasted. So you know,
Speaker 3: maybe when you hit the fifth that's when all the
Speaker 3: weird shit happens. I don't know, so but that's yeah,
Speaker 3: my experience. But yeah, I kind of had the same thing,
Speaker 3: and like you said, did David Ike. I was much
Speaker 3: more into David Ike, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian. So like
Speaker 3: when I first started getting into all those people, there
Speaker 3: was nothing. I mean, I didn't have a choice. Really,
Speaker 3: I was gonna hear about ocultism.
Speaker 7: And then you know, oh, I was just gonna say. Also,
Speaker 7: astrology is one of those early things that I just
Speaker 7: couldn't really dismiss the results of. And the typical excuse
Speaker 7: that everything's just so broad and vague that you can
Speaker 7: apply it to yourself that didn't really resonate, and that
Speaker 7: was just another thing that's like, well, if this is true,
Speaker 7: then I have to change my worldview about what reality is.
Speaker 7: Synchro Mysticism too, another area where conspiracy and symbolism crossover,
Speaker 7: and your entry level thought is that, well, maybe this
Speaker 7: stuff is just seeded into films by the people who
Speaker 7: are you know, the cast and crew. But some of
Speaker 7: it defies logic in that regard too, and then you're like, man,
Speaker 7: something metaphysical seems to be going on. And then maybe
Speaker 7: you start thinking about consciousness and big events that well
Speaker 7: up a lot of conscious energy, and then maybe it
Speaker 7: manifests through like a muse like way where someone has
Speaker 7: to write something in a film and they're like, well,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna put it as nine to eleven. Well why
Speaker 7: did you pick nine to eleven? Maybe it wasn't absolutely conscious,
Speaker 7: but there's just some deep echo in the back of
Speaker 7: your subconsciousness, like this is an important date, so put
Speaker 7: it on Neo's passport. Who knows. But there's something mystical
Speaker 7: about a lot of that stuff. So those are just
Speaker 7: some other components that I just think, if you haven't
Speaker 7: gotten rid of materialism yet, just look at some of
Speaker 7: that stuff and try to figure out how it works
Speaker 7: in a material universe.
Speaker 3: I agree with uh, do anybody want to ask you
Speaker 3: any questions?
Speaker 13: I do.
Speaker 10: I don't want to hog at Greg's time or anything.
Speaker 10: But because you mentioned David Ike, you know he's been
Speaker 10: scrutinized to like the max would you are you like
Speaker 10: a lizard people person? Or are you like where where
Speaker 10: do you fall in the lizard spectrum?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 7: I think this is David Ike. He He's even clarified
Speaker 7: a lot of those comments. So it's hard to separate,
Speaker 7: especially in a pre Internet world. When I was getting
Speaker 7: into David Ike. You have the actual person, their actual material,
Speaker 7: and then the cariature that society reduces it down too.
Speaker 7: And obviously with David Ike, he was reduced down to
Speaker 7: the lizard guy. All these elite are literal lizard people
Speaker 7: wearing rubber masks, and that's not true. That's again like
Speaker 7: the materialist viewpoint of what he's getting at, which I
Speaker 7: think if you take the metaphysical spiritual look at what
Speaker 7: David Ike says, which he even himself now would say,
Speaker 7: it's more like there's a maybe some deep, deep bloodline
Speaker 7: represented by reptilian symbolism. Why is the reptilian symbolism there?
Speaker 7: Does it go all the way back to literal reptiles
Speaker 7: or has it always been symbolic. Mario is probably the
Speaker 7: guy to answer more of these questions, but I don't
Speaker 7: I think that that's the literalization of what he's trying
Speaker 7: to say, which is something more metaphysical. A lot of people,
Speaker 7: when they have a spiritual experience with something they think
Speaker 7: is alien, reptile, else come up all the time. I
Speaker 7: don't think they saw Hillary Clinton as an iguana in
Speaker 7: their living room, but they saw something on the astroplane
Speaker 7: represented as a reptilian energy.
Speaker 2: Like a serpentine like energy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so I think there might be, if you
Speaker 7: go back far enough, a physicality to that somewhat. But
Speaker 7: I kind of think like ufology was trying to find
Speaker 7: itself in a material worldview initially. So what are these things?
Speaker 7: They must be humanoid creatures from another physical planet because
Speaker 7: they're not able to rope in the spiritual layer of reality.
Speaker 7: They can't have an explanation that changes that worldview, that
Speaker 7: fundamental worldview that everything's physical, Big Bang and everything. So
Speaker 7: if you're not going to have a spiritual layer to
Speaker 7: your reality, you get weird conclusions. And I think that's
Speaker 7: what the David Ike thing is is. I think he's
Speaker 7: very metaphysical and he's trying to explain things in a
Speaker 7: way that makes sense. He says reptilian and people literalize
Speaker 7: it and say, oh, well, he means she's Hillary Clinton's
Speaker 7: wearing a rubber mask, and it's like that's a little silly.
Speaker 7: But is she attached to a spiritual arconic presence that
Speaker 7: is maybe riding her and even possessing her to a degree,
Speaker 7: because it recognizes power and it is a reptilian energy.
Speaker 7: I think that's probably possible, probably even likely.
Speaker 10: Or like some kind of bloodline thing almost yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm.
Speaker 7: Wondering that's a literalization too. But they definitely care about bloodlines.
Speaker 7: The e Lader obsessed with that, so you have to
Speaker 7: reverse engineer. If they care, then it's something important And
Speaker 7: what is it. Well, there's this, there's all the Steiner stuff.
Speaker 7: When Steiner talks about blood, I'm like, that is your
Speaker 7: spiritual essence. So maybe it's splitting hairs talking about a
Speaker 7: reptilian blood line and a reptilian spiritual energy attachment. It's
Speaker 7: probably maybe that's how it's connected in through the blood.
Speaker 12: And the nakash. I think it's connected back to the
Speaker 12: guard like you know, there you go.
Speaker 7: Like I said, you guys know more than I do
Speaker 7: about a lot of this stuff. But these are the
Speaker 7: conclusions when i've you know, after fifteen years of asking guests,
Speaker 7: some things resonate and some don't. Some things you hear
Speaker 7: more often than others. And you know, that's basically my
Speaker 7: broad viewpoint on how reptilians can exist and probably do
Speaker 7: if I may.
Speaker 9: Greg, So you've said many times of what you heard
Speaker 9: from people my question is directly to you and not
Speaker 9: to those people, to your personal experience. So, after all
Speaker 9: you've learned of the experience you accumulated, transforming that knowledge
Speaker 9: into some form of wisdom, how do you see reality,
Speaker 9: how do you conceive it to be today, and how
Speaker 9: it relates to consciousness and existence in itself.
Speaker 7: Well, I think I settle on the Soul school hypothesis
Speaker 7: that we come here to have physical experiences where fractals
Speaker 7: of the Godhead, and we take that experience back to
Speaker 7: the central supreme consciousness and fold it in. And I
Speaker 7: don't know why. There's a lot of explanations, like the
Speaker 7: basic one is that consciousness existed made a physical container
Speaker 7: for itself and that is only enjoyable to play through
Speaker 7: if you come in with no memory that you're God.
Speaker 7: And I think that checks out. That kind of makes sense.
Speaker 7: And if you push on the reality we have, then
Speaker 7: you can quickly find out it goes deeper. But you
Speaker 7: can go your whole life without pushing on it at
Speaker 7: all and just live a straight experience, you know, a
Speaker 7: straightforward physical reality experience, which is probably what it was
Speaker 7: somewhat designed to do. But I think it's a realm
Speaker 7: of experience, which is what I think is really sad
Speaker 7: when so many other people I know don't fully dive in,
Speaker 7: you know, And that's where the conspiracy comes in, is
Speaker 7: I think so much of it is about capturing our
Speaker 7: attention and wasting our time. Like just jobs obviously number
Speaker 7: one thing to say that eight hours a day you're
Speaker 7: going to sleep, eight hours a day are going to
Speaker 7: work for us, and then you get the other eight hours.
Speaker 7: But some of it's traffic. Then you're gonna have to eat,
Speaker 7: you're gonna have to get ready for work, and shower
Speaker 7: and all this stuff. It really starts to get whittled
Speaker 7: away to Okay, I guess they have two hours in
Speaker 7: the evening to watch a fucking Netflix show and that's it.
Speaker 7: And so I think a lot of it is wasting
Speaker 7: people's time and keeping them from engaging in the experience.
Speaker 7: I don't know what the elite are exactly, if they
Speaker 7: hate God or if they're falling angels or something of
Speaker 7: that realm, or they just want to corrupt the experience
Speaker 7: as much as they can, so they do genetic tinkering
Speaker 7: and all this other stuff. But it seems like they're
Speaker 7: very spiteful of experience. Itself, and so I think that
Speaker 7: they have tiers of ways they attack it. One of
Speaker 7: them is just like, have all these people waste their
Speaker 7: time in a numb state of baseline consciousness, never explore anything,
Speaker 7: snuff out their curiosity, and just neutralize what this thing
Speaker 7: is designed to do. And they do a pretty damn
Speaker 7: good job of that. I think we all know people
Speaker 7: who barely ever get off the couch outside of going
Speaker 7: to work and coming home in the evening. So I
Speaker 7: like the Sole school idea that it is a realm
Speaker 7: of experience and hopefully learning and hopefully progress. I don't
Speaker 7: necessarily have evidence of that part, but it just seems
Speaker 7: like why do it otherwise?
Speaker 2: That is so true. That is literally so true.
Speaker 10: I almost feel like before I started podcasting full time
Speaker 10: that I was like clinically depressed.
Speaker 2: I was working like twelve hour.
Speaker 10: Shifts at a hospital and I would come home and
Speaker 10: just like zone out, almost, And it's the system is
Speaker 10: like set up to where you're just a cog in
Speaker 10: a machine, and that's how you feel.
Speaker 2: Literally, I mean, that's so.
Speaker 7: True, especially the medical system, the way that they have
Speaker 7: people working those shifts. That's not necessary. There's definitely got
Speaker 7: to be a better way, but it is more closely
Speaker 7: to how you would structure psychological torture. So I think
Speaker 7: that the conspiracy comes in with the medical stuff, where
Speaker 7: they don't want anybody to wake up. They don't want
Speaker 7: the people working in the trenches to even have time
Speaker 7: to think about what they're doing. Just go, go, go,
Speaker 7: here's the book. This is what we do in this instance,
Speaker 7: and don't think about it. There is no variance. Take
Speaker 7: your orders from on high. We saw what that did
Speaker 7: a couple of years ago. But yeah, the medical one
Speaker 7: in particular is interesting. Another realm where they don't acknowledge
Speaker 7: the spiritual at all, and there's all these new emerging
Speaker 7: health systems where they're looking at your emotional state. Have
Speaker 7: you buried some kind of emotional trauma in you that
Speaker 7: manifests this cancer later? Like you can't just cut and
Speaker 7: burn and poison everything out of a human body. So yeah,
Speaker 7: that's I empathize with being in that realm. I work
Speaker 7: at a psych hospital.
Speaker 11: They make us do twelve to thirteen hours and then
Speaker 11: they turn around and tell us don't have any personal
Speaker 11: connection with anyone. Don't don't try and relate to these
Speaker 11: people that are here for dragging alcohol abuse, and don't
Speaker 11: try and help them or hug them or touch them
Speaker 11: or do any of the things that might actually help them, because.
Speaker 2: Like don't be their friend.
Speaker 10: God forbid, you'd be a nice sweet person to someone
Speaker 10: who's mentally fucked.
Speaker 2: Like come on, and.
Speaker 10: You know, Heidi this with you working there too, I
Speaker 10: feel like you can agree with this because I, like
Speaker 10: you said, I worked like twelve hours shows too. You
Speaker 10: don't really get Sunday off either, because all day Saturday
Speaker 10: you're doing whatever.
Speaker 2: All day Sunday, you're just dreading going back on Monday.
Speaker 10: So it's like literally a never ending loop of just
Speaker 10: like why the fuck am I doing this? Why the
Speaker 10: fuck am I doing this? And I mean, I'm so
Speaker 10: glad that I'm out of that. But for all those
Speaker 10: who are listening right now that are stuck in it,
Speaker 10: trusts me, the way that you feel is the.
Speaker 2: Way you're supposed to feel about it. I mean, it
Speaker 2: sucks something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh sorry, go ahead, Sorry, I was just gonna say.
Speaker 7: Julia mentioned depression, and I definitely think depression is a
Speaker 7: natural reaction to something that you're not doing in accordance
Speaker 7: with your true will yest. Me and my wife had
Speaker 7: a real tough my now wife. You know, then it
Speaker 7: was early she could have got out, but in the
Speaker 7: beginning she was like, you know, I have real concerns
Speaker 7: if we're gonna get raw, and honest, I have real
Speaker 7: concerns that you're never going to be happy unless this
Speaker 7: big hail Mary thing you threw, unless that works. And
Speaker 7: I was like, well, you're probably right, so let's hope
Speaker 7: it works, because you can't tell me to just change
Speaker 7: my attitude, just flip my attitude about this thing that
Speaker 7: is so locking up so much mental energy and physical time.
Speaker 7: As a store manager of game stop, yeah you got
Speaker 7: the it's basically fifty hours a week plus travel time.
Speaker 7: Then you have people who are paid such a low wage.
Speaker 7: They're all incompetent. You only have your choice of incompetent
Speaker 7: people to put in your store, so they're constantly calling
Speaker 7: you when you're off the clock too. It's miserable. You're
Speaker 7: making thirty five grand a year to run a two
Speaker 7: million dollar store. Your salary, the salary of the boss
Speaker 7: of the whole store is a small little line item.
Speaker 7: It's like not less than the tax is paid, probably,
Speaker 7: And yeah, sorry, I am going to be miserable if
Speaker 7: I'm stuck in this because I can't just pretend that
Speaker 7: it's a good life when I'm going to call to
Speaker 7: sack to nowhere in the retail ecosystem, Luckily it works.
Speaker 10: Yeah, hours a week and you're still eating taco bell
Speaker 10: and wondering how the fuck you're gonna make it to
Speaker 10: the next paycheck. Like, think about that, it's such a
Speaker 10: slave system for real. Yeah, time to shit in shower
Speaker 10: and go right the fuck back the next day, and
Speaker 10: like it just I don't know, it's horrendous.
Speaker 7: But then I also think about, like if it is
Speaker 7: a soul school, if reality is set up this way,
Speaker 7: like we really just in that dark city sense. We
Speaker 7: don't truly have a concept of anything that came before
Speaker 7: us or anything after. We're kind of the center of
Speaker 7: our experience. There's a story out there of what might
Speaker 7: have occurred before and all this, but you're really kind
Speaker 7: of just in the experience. And if that's true, maybe
Speaker 7: it is designed to kind of let these people. And
Speaker 7: that's been a thing that there was a thing called
Speaker 7: the Hidden Hand material It was on a form road.
Speaker 3: I remember that.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, God, any questions you want, and I'll
Speaker 7: tell you, and they, basically as psychologists for the elite,
Speaker 7: were like, these people actually made a sacrifice to play
Speaker 7: the role of the bad guy in this system, because
Speaker 7: to have a good story, there must be a villain.
Speaker 7: And part of that is you need to push through
Speaker 7: the difficult and push through the depression and rise above
Speaker 7: it and change the circumstance. That is the nagging thing,
Speaker 7: you know, the stick in the rib cage. It's like, hey,
Speaker 7: come on, do something, move move. And so I almost
Speaker 7: have learned now that I'm on the other side of
Speaker 7: it and it doesn't affect me anymore. I've learned to
Speaker 7: appreciate that stage of life and going through that, because
Speaker 7: otherwise I would not have been motivated enough to do
Speaker 7: what I do now. And maybe this is my true will,
Speaker 7: to just at least create a stage for important voices
Speaker 7: and then put them up for the people, and I
Speaker 7: don't have to do much more than that. Then raise
Speaker 7: the curtain and turn the lights on. Maybe that is
Speaker 7: my role. I'm comfortable with it compared to other possible roles.
Speaker 7: But maybe I just don't hate it as much as
Speaker 7: I used to when I was stuck in it. I
Speaker 7: now appreciate the process of taking a person up to
Speaker 7: a higher level experience. So if you're in your twenties
Speaker 7: and you're kind of miserable, I think that's what the
Speaker 7: twenties are for, is letting that feeling fuel something better
Speaker 7: into your thirties.
Speaker 11: I know with mine, I choose to be where I am,
Speaker 11: and it's all about trying to focus on the people
Speaker 11: there to try and actually help them because my brother
Speaker 11: did pass of a drug overdose, and so that's why
Speaker 11: I chose to work there, because I thought, well, if
Speaker 11: I can give something back to these people, and I
Speaker 11: am constantly breaking the rules, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Speaker 11: Like you said, you can change your you can change
Speaker 11: your way about it, you know, be human, like give
Speaker 11: them humanity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, real quick, there's a few things I wanted to say,
Speaker 3: and then I do want to toggle in Robbie Marx
Speaker 3: because we can't have more than ten people, and we
Speaker 3: do have another cult reaject here. We just couldn't fit
Speaker 3: them in. There was a couple of things I wanted
Speaker 3: to say. Those stuff that you said, one doing your will,
Speaker 3: I totally agree with that. I honestly think if it
Speaker 3: may be hard at times what you're doing, but if
Speaker 3: you love what you're doing. I think you're doing your
Speaker 3: will again. It may be hard at times, but you're
Speaker 3: still going to love what you're doing. I totally agree.
Speaker 3: And and when you had said something I think about,
Speaker 3: I guess kind of like your idea, I guess of
Speaker 3: the reality you really you nailed it on the head.
Speaker 3: It's like kind of the same thing that I've been
Speaker 3: trying to say. You just made it sound so much better.
Speaker 3: I guess maybe as an Italian I like to use
Speaker 3: the spaghetti strainer. But like I always say that, I
Speaker 3: consider like you take a light bulb on the ceiling
Speaker 3: and you're like, you throw the spaghetti strainer over, and
Speaker 3: then all those little pin dots or all of us
Speaker 3: having a separate experience from that one of which I
Speaker 3: saw us. I like, yeah, yeah, so I do think
Speaker 3: and due to this, we're supposed to rise back up
Speaker 3: that light with the with the experience that we've had
Speaker 3: here and bring it back and maybe possibly come back
Speaker 3: with knowledge, you know whatever. That's getting a little bit deeper,
Speaker 3: but still it is very very well said. So I identify,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of identified with what you were getting at.
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, I like the way he
Speaker 3: said that, but yeah, we're gonna oh and then the
Speaker 3: whole thing with David Ike too. I totally agree, and
Speaker 3: I think I was so happy that you guys were
Speaker 3: saying that. I do think David Ike, as silly as
Speaker 3: it sounds when he's talking about the reptilians from my
Speaker 3: experience due to having magical experiences, I do just me.
Speaker 3: I do believe I have crossed the Abyss and had
Speaker 3: that experience. I totally get what David Ike's saying. If
Speaker 3: I want to look at it in a gnostic occult sense,
Speaker 3: He's saying the same thing. These people, reptilians are just
Speaker 3: people that are able to cross the Abyss and come back,
Speaker 3: and those are the people ruling the world. I agree
Speaker 3: with that, So I do. I do see it that way.
Speaker 3: I just think he it's a little bit harder to
Speaker 3: come out and maybe say that and still be popular,
Speaker 3: So maybe he, you know, tries to do it in
Speaker 3: a different way. I don't know, But I totally also think.
Speaker 7: There's a big difference between how he started doing it
Speaker 7: and how he does it today. I mean, he wrote
Speaker 7: a book called The Trap recently, which I think it's
Speaker 7: like six hundred pages. Basically everything I said would be
Speaker 7: contained within that same framework. So I think I think
Speaker 7: his opinion and position has evolved as well.
Speaker 3: All right, Robbie Marks, we got you in so sorry
Speaker 3: about that, sir.
Speaker 13: No, no worries at all. Yeah, Hey, Greg Carwood, how
Speaker 13: you doing? As I'm an artist, I do art illustrations,
Speaker 13: I do a lot of festival band type merch stuff
Speaker 13: like that. I've been an independent artist for going on
Speaker 13: thirty five years. And you know, when when we talk
Speaker 13: about this system of people just you know, as cogs
Speaker 13: in the machine, and they come home and they you know,
Speaker 13: they don't have any time for anything else, especially any
Speaker 13: kind of intellectual research. Me personally, being outside of the
Speaker 13: system and just doing nothing but research for the last
Speaker 13: thirty five years, you almost in a certain way alienate
Speaker 13: yourself from a certain subset of people. But at the
Speaker 13: same time, you have this creative motion of function where
Speaker 13: you're constantly producing and making output, and and there's good
Speaker 13: years and there's bad years, and you kind of sail
Speaker 13: through this sea over all this time. Do you find
Speaker 13: yourself constantly trying to reinvent yourself or are you happy
Speaker 13: with a general production level where you're at now? You know,
Speaker 13: what I mean, there's this constant struggle with you know.
Speaker 13: It's like sometimes, you know, after thirty five years of this,
Speaker 13: I say, you know, I want to run away and
Speaker 13: join the office because I work twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 13: seven days a week. I'm always on call. It's just,
Speaker 13: you know, it's a whole different lifestyle. But your work
Speaker 13: becomes your life.
Speaker 3: Basically.
Speaker 7: Yeah, brass is always greener, as they say, but as
Speaker 7: they say this, yeah, I kind of agree with that.
Speaker 7: When I was in Armenia with Graham Hancock on this
Speaker 7: research tour, my website went down and I was in
Speaker 7: Armenia with no signal and people are like, your website's
Speaker 7: just completely not there. And I didn't have people at
Speaker 7: that time to help. So I'm like, Okay, my flight's
Speaker 7: in six days. I guess I'll just hate the rest
Speaker 7: of this trip until i can get back home. And
Speaker 7: you know, that stuff happens. Your website is your store
Speaker 7: and you're the manager and you got to make sure
Speaker 7: it's always open. But yeah, in terms of evolution, it's
Speaker 7: funny because I am of two minds. Like I've said,
Speaker 7: it's a refinement process. Yes, I think I got better
Speaker 7: over time by learning on the air in real time
Speaker 7: as I had to go. It started as a comedy
Speaker 7: podcast where I wanted to talk to a group of
Speaker 7: comedians about conspiratorial topics. I quickly learned some of them
Speaker 7: are just here to get airtime and they don't care
Speaker 7: about these subjects at all, and the other ones are
Speaker 7: more focused on making jokes. This isn't exactly what I wanted.
Speaker 7: It's not getting deep in any kind of regard. But
Speaker 7: I was going through like Ari Shaffer, Joey Diaz for
Speaker 7: people who listen to comedy podcasts like that's who my
Speaker 7: early interviews were. And then I did Markel Tassari on
Speaker 7: I was like, Okay, this is way closer to what
Speaker 7: I would want to listen to. So it is a
Speaker 7: refinement process. Some people would close down shop and open
Speaker 7: up under a new brand and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 7: That's what people do today because they know how lucrative
Speaker 7: podcast is and how it's all got to be like
Speaker 7: polished and tight. But I really wasn't like that at
Speaker 7: the time. And then I had people send me stuff
Speaker 7: where a couple other shows were like, Hey, this person's
Speaker 7: mimicking your cadence and the way you do intro. So
Speaker 7: then I actually honed down into an exact process so
Speaker 7: that that kind of mimicry would be more recognizable, because
Speaker 7: now here's an actual formula that I use, and I'm
Speaker 7: comfortable using it, and you know, I just there's so
Speaker 7: much vagaries around, like is this person stealing the cadence
Speaker 7: of this? You know a lot of people think Danny
Speaker 7: Jones basically took the exact Rogan model and then applied
Speaker 7: it to the stuff we're interested in. Sure anyone can
Speaker 7: do that. People have been talking to microphones a long time.
Speaker 7: No one has a true monopoly on that. But you
Speaker 7: don't like to see yourself copied or whatever. So I
Speaker 7: guess I basically to answer the question, yeah, it's been
Speaker 7: a prod a process of refinement. But also I tried
Speaker 7: to standardize what you expect from my show, Like here's
Speaker 7: a polished intro that at the sin within two minutes,
Speaker 7: there are no ads or no sponsors, We're going right
Speaker 7: to the meet. I try to use the intro to
Speaker 7: get further downfield than just saying, so tell me your
Speaker 7: thoughts on UFOs. It's like, no, that was in the intro.
Speaker 7: Now I want to know your thoughts you know your
Speaker 7: level eleven thoughts on UFOs, You know what about these
Speaker 7: things that so I try to use the intro to
Speaker 7: Really with a show that's broad, you kind of have
Speaker 7: to prep people, prime them for this topic this time
Speaker 7: because it does shift. But you caught me right on
Speaker 7: the cusp of moving to video. We could call it
Speaker 7: THHC TV because I think it falls well. But I'm
Speaker 7: still coming like there's kinks to be worked out. But
Speaker 7: as of the first of June, it's going to be
Speaker 7: a video show. And that is largely due to the market.
Speaker 7: Like I see all these shows that have existed for
Speaker 7: half the time where hosts don't even read the work
Speaker 7: of the guests like I do, and then they're rocketing
Speaker 7: past me. And it's because things and things change, and
Speaker 7: I'm being dragged, kicking and screaming into video. I will
Speaker 7: get better at it as I go, if I'm kind
Speaker 7: of starting over, But it's partly what I want, partly
Speaker 7: what seems to work. So I know growing up watching
Speaker 7: this stuff. I'm forty years old now, which is hard
Speaker 7: to believe, but I know a lot of guys I
Speaker 7: watched and they got passed up by podcasting. You know why,
Speaker 7: wasn't Coast to Coast AM, Why didn't it convert to
Speaker 7: a podcast? Guys like Jeff Rentz and Alan Watt, like,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of conspiracy centric people. Even I love
Speaker 7: Clyde Lewis, but I might put him in that category.
Speaker 7: Two people who are like, we're doing radio shows, I
Speaker 7: don't care about this podcasting thing, Well, those people have
Speaker 7: had a hard time maintaining an audience in this ecosystem.
Speaker 7: So I have enough awareness to see that and then see,
Speaker 7: like what we're doing here and seeing when I appear
Speaker 7: on other shows what it looks like. And I'm like,
Speaker 7: my appearance on another show looks better than my own show.
Speaker 7: This can outstand and we must fix it. So I'm
Speaker 7: doing it from a studio. I'm trying to do it.
Speaker 7: I try to do audio at the highest level i'm
Speaker 7: capable of. It's not the best show in the world,
Speaker 7: but it's the best show I can produce. And I'm
Speaker 7: gonna try to do the same mindset with video, and
Speaker 7: I will embrace and prepare for any other changes within
Speaker 7: this space except pretty much AI. I'm not gonna do
Speaker 7: the baby animated thing that people think is fun.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 13: I think that that when you look at the whole
Speaker 13: process as far as you know, you've been doing this
Speaker 13: fifteen years now, and just the whole problem. I mean,
Speaker 13: it's an expansive process. There's gonna be times of dormancy
Speaker 13: and times of growth, and it's a developmental process, like
Speaker 13: you were saying as far as the refinement. But I find,
Speaker 13: even after all these years, the only factor that really
Speaker 13: bothers me is just getting old because I'm constantly coming
Speaker 13: into the newness and the refinement and you know this
Speaker 13: just bringing it, trying to take myself essentially, you know,
Speaker 13: and I'm sure like you two higher levels of understanding
Speaker 13: and you know, creating more beautiful product.
Speaker 7: I agree, and AI is a little bit of a
Speaker 7: part of that. What I don't like is people using
Speaker 7: AI editing because it's just off putting to me. And
Speaker 7: this whole idea of oh, just turn the person into
Speaker 7: an animated baby or an animated be a reptilian for
Speaker 7: this episode and they can match and sync the lips
Speaker 7: up perfectly. But like we don't need to do that.
Speaker 7: Like people are people, and it's okay to just look
Speaker 7: at the person speaking. But yeah, AI tools helped polish it.
Speaker 7: It's a little bittersweet because when I started, there were
Speaker 7: very few tools, so I was willing to learn the
Speaker 7: available tools and build things into my website, like I
Speaker 7: built Patreon before Patreon existed, and it's in my website
Speaker 7: for just me, and then it came out for everybody
Speaker 7: and now everybody has it. So it's nice because I
Speaker 7: have Patreon too and some tools I do use, but
Speaker 7: not having those tools is what separated the people who
Speaker 7: are really going to go the extra mile from those
Speaker 7: who would get lazy and fall off. So it's made
Speaker 7: it easier for everybody else. But I definitely take advantage
Speaker 7: of some of those tools too, and having kids, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 7: anything to make it easier. AI. I'm not at the
Speaker 7: point and probably won't get to the point, like I'm
Speaker 7: always going to read the book. It's part of my process.
Speaker 7: It must happen. But now people who don't want to
Speaker 7: read the book can do an AI summary and act
Speaker 7: like they know a little bit more and invest just
Speaker 7: a third of the time. So that's frustrating for a
Speaker 7: person who's actually reading the book. But I don't trust
Speaker 7: AI to pull out that one line on page eighty
Speaker 7: nine that I want to ask about because you know,
Speaker 7: you can't trust them to know the AI, to know
Speaker 7: what's right. Will it get better, sure, whatever, But what
Speaker 7: I think AI is cool for is like I interviewed
Speaker 7: doctor Steven Skinner, who I think most people know, and
Speaker 7: he's a scholar of Western esotericism and he's translated lot
Speaker 7: of books, and I think that's amazing. When I interviewed him,
Speaker 7: it was like the first time I was like, Wow,
Speaker 7: there's still all this magical literature, occult literature and all
Speaker 7: these other languages that has not been translated because a
Speaker 7: lot of times or mistranslated because the people looking at
Speaker 7: it don't even believe in magic. So you get one
Speaker 7: word wrong and it doesn't mean anything. So I do
Speaker 7: think AI in that regard is really interesting. Let's put
Speaker 7: it all through, let's ask chat at least get us
Speaker 7: a starting place. You know, you could take in a
Speaker 7: day a bunch of stuff that isn't translated. Anyone could,
Speaker 7: as long as you have access to the initial digitized
Speaker 7: file of something, whether it's Latin or whatever, like, play
Speaker 7: around with it. And we have now got tools where
Speaker 7: we can resurrect old rituals or old occult understandings that
Speaker 7: weren't meant for anybody else. Yes, yeah, you can do
Speaker 7: it instantly.
Speaker 3: I've thought about that because I've gone down to the
Speaker 3: binar Key Library that was in Yale, that's over in Yale,
Speaker 3: and like I've actually like touched like certain like Heiri
Speaker 3: Kouonroth books and you know, like and taking pictures and
Speaker 3: videos of these things. I'm like, yo, if I could
Speaker 3: probably get somehow aidol, like maybe like trying to transcribe that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: pretty impressive.
Speaker 13: Now. I did see that they had an AI that
Speaker 13: was specifically working on the uh, the Sumerian clay tablets
Speaker 13: to translate, because there's hundreds of thousands of those, so
Speaker 13: they're just skinning them in and they have an AI
Speaker 13: to actively translate. So we're gonna have some more you know,
Speaker 13: epic of Gilgamesh and kind of this library of Ashabonopaul
Speaker 13: that's gonna proceed to come forth that they didn't even
Speaker 13: know about in the late eighteen hundreds. As far as America,
Speaker 13: you know, I.
Speaker 7: Would be a little careful with that stuff because you
Speaker 7: still have an interpretation from academia presenting something on Discovery Channel.
Speaker 7: This is the new understanding. It's barely different than the
Speaker 7: old understanding, but now we have it confirmed because AYI
Speaker 7: now that's gonna be happening. But you can do it yourself.
Speaker 7: That's what I think is so great. And then you know,
Speaker 7: you could read between the lines because I do think
Speaker 7: some of these programs have a neutrality to them, but
Speaker 7: some of them also don't. You ask a lot of
Speaker 7: these programs what happened on nine to eleven? Might well
Speaker 7: might as well ask Chris Wallace or Anderson Cooper because
Speaker 7: they will give you their answer. You know, there's a
Speaker 7: consensus answer, that's what it's good for in those kind
Speaker 7: of situations, and then there's a you know, a more
Speaker 7: alternative answer. But I think with translations that's so mathematical
Speaker 7: in a sense that I do think that you can
Speaker 7: trust it to get some things right. But they're going
Speaker 7: to try to shut a lot of that down. But yeah,
Speaker 7: you know you have access to it right now, Nic.
Speaker 3: Real quick, real quick. If you don't just get real quick,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to remove Robbie, bring Julia back, and uh,
Speaker 3: I think at least did happened to Lisa? Did have
Speaker 3: a question real quick too, and then we'll get to
Speaker 3: somebody else.
Speaker 4: Yes, I wanted to build upon what everybody has been
Speaker 4: saying lately and then what you had said right now, Greg,
Speaker 4: and that so over the years you have interviewed like
Speaker 4: an enormous amount of alternative researchers, have you noticed any
Speaker 4: like metapatterns, synchronicities, something that points to a deeper structure
Speaker 4: within this conspiracy ecosystem.
Speaker 2: To use that word that you use itself.
Speaker 4: And then the second parts of the question is with
Speaker 4: all the fringe thinkers that you have interviewed and in
Speaker 4: this age of conspiratuality and to distill down even further
Speaker 4: these algorithm driven bubbles, do you see like a deliberate
Speaker 4: hypernormalization or is it all just like ontological paralysis rather
Speaker 4: than just plainal censorship.
Speaker 7: Oh man, well, some of that speaks to like I
Speaker 7: just did a live event with Gordon White and the
Speaker 7: whole subject was the conspiracy can and it was his idea.
Speaker 7: But how has the canon changed over time, like you know,
Speaker 7: like a film canon or whatever. And it makes you
Speaker 7: think a lot of it is just the impact of
Speaker 7: algorithms and the Internet, like you have to have the
Speaker 7: most explosive thing, not the truest thing, and you know,
Speaker 7: just to take it from the top. Back in the
Speaker 7: day there was JFK. You can bring it up to
Speaker 7: nine to eleven, but a lot of it's the CIA
Speaker 7: and the economic hitman type of stuff. Maybe a little
Speaker 7: eufology peppered in there, But there's a canon of a
Speaker 7: dozen or so events and subjects that people are looking
Speaker 7: at under the microscope, and that's it. You go to
Speaker 7: conspiracy con in nineteen ninety five, that's who you're talking to,
Speaker 7: you know, minus the nine to eleven thing, moon landing. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I might be included, But now it is all about
Speaker 7: the iceberg and like, what's the craziest idea. It's not
Speaker 7: even about like what is the truth? It's like, what
Speaker 7: is the craziest thought I can have? And then how
Speaker 7: can I make that seem like the reality? And that's
Speaker 7: difficult because that's not exactly what I ever really wanted
Speaker 7: to do. I thought the truth was kind of crazy enough,
Speaker 7: But now we're talking about just all kinds of things
Speaker 7: I never thought would enter the conversation, like people like
Speaker 7: our virus is even real? Is the past even real
Speaker 7: at all? Was there an extra thousand years inserted into
Speaker 7: the system? Was there a lost society of amazing architects?
Speaker 7: Who knew about the ether that have been wiped out
Speaker 7: of the history books, and a lot of that can't
Speaker 7: exist because the system has been so highly controlled, and
Speaker 7: the further you go back, the more control. A lot
Speaker 7: of our history comes from like three guys Scallenger and
Speaker 7: a couple other monks in the Vatican basement, like not
Speaker 7: exactly truthful sources. What do I know about Herodonis as
Speaker 7: a person? You know, like not anything? Did he genuinely
Speaker 7: just want to write down everything that happened or was
Speaker 7: he working for an empire that wanted him to write
Speaker 7: it a certain way? We should probably know because that's
Speaker 7: kind of the only source we have for a lot
Speaker 7: of things we take for granted. So I understand why
Speaker 7: that exists and we can't play with it a little bit.
Speaker 7: But it's a little disappointing that sometimes the people who
Speaker 7: get attention to the conspiracy sphere today, they're not really
Speaker 7: in it for the truth. They're more pranksters, and they're
Speaker 7: more trying They are trying to ontologically shock people, but
Speaker 7: it isn't about there being a fundamental truth to what
Speaker 7: they're saying. In some cases, and not to name names,
Speaker 7: but it's just something we have to compete with We
Speaker 7: have to try to be genuine and truth seeking and
Speaker 7: entertaining and actually explaining some thing to people, but also
Speaker 7: compete with ones who are just trying to be shocking,
Speaker 7: getting the best thumbnail and all that kind of shit.
Speaker 7: I never wanted to get into thumbnails and nonsense like that.
Speaker 7: I have one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers and it's just audio.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's pretty crazy, and obviously I'm going to
Speaker 7: pivot that, but it's just like now I can't even
Speaker 7: get five thousand people to watch a video. I don't
Speaker 7: care that much about YouTube because I don't do ads,
Speaker 7: so who cares? As long as people pay for the
Speaker 7: extended version of the show, that's what I am in
Speaker 7: the business for. But because it's not ad base, that
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. So I'm not really playing the chase the
Speaker 7: algorithm game. And also it's not genuine and I think
Speaker 7: that the worst thing I could do is like go
Speaker 7: in some disingenuous direction. But yeah, that's kind of some
Speaker 7: of the things that I think have changed, and it
Speaker 7: does make it tougher.
Speaker 1: May I ask as a follow up to that, there
Speaker 1: seems to be like a long time conspiracy theory theory
Speaker 1: if you will to where if you mention anything related
Speaker 1: to something conspiratorial that someone isn't familiar with, let alone
Speaker 1: use that phrase, they try to put you into a box.
Speaker 1: And kind of second part is this cultural phenomenon that
Speaker 1: now we're dealing with more frequently where there's like a
Speaker 1: trigger conspiracy where if you are rightfully angry at your
Speaker 1: own exploitation and step out of line, people will kind
Speaker 1: of put you into that same box as this conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory idea. I just wanted to ask what your experience
Speaker 1: has been with that.
Speaker 7: Well on the second point, the trigger, yeah, I definitely
Speaker 7: think so. Part of that is like the ignorance is
Speaker 7: bliss thing. A lot of people don't want to be
Speaker 7: confronted with the fact that they might not be happy
Speaker 7: living the life they're living. And so you see someone
Speaker 7: like I have friends like this at the time, they
Speaker 7: were working store manager jobs and they are happy or
Speaker 7: they seem happy, and I'm the one who's not. You
Speaker 7: don't always want to be around that. You don't want
Speaker 7: to be reminded that we're all getting to be thirty
Speaker 7: years old and we all run million dollar stores and
Speaker 7: none of us can own a home. Guys. You know,
Speaker 7: that's the kind of stuff I would say at these
Speaker 7: regional meetings with other managers and like, stop drinking the
Speaker 7: kool aid so much. If we're here next next year,
Speaker 7: we all fucked up, guys, this is the year to
Speaker 7: get out of this. That's the kind of shit I
Speaker 7: would say. And some people were like, I like this guy,
Speaker 7: and other people really didn't want to be reminded that
Speaker 7: they shouldn't be happy in the situation they are because
Speaker 7: changing it is so hard. That's why. It's because you
Speaker 7: have a five percent chance of probably making it and
Speaker 7: getting out because the system is crafted that way. So yeah,
Speaker 7: people don't like that. But also the triggering kind of
Speaker 7: conspiracy thing makes me think of the archetype they would
Speaker 7: present to us in movies and TV, where it's like
Speaker 7: you're a paranoid, schizophrenic, crazy person, and that kind of
Speaker 7: enforces the idea, don't look at this stuff, just leave
Speaker 7: it alone. Live your nice, comfortable, regular life where you
Speaker 7: have your brain intact. Because look at this guy. He
Speaker 7: went down a few two rabbit holes. Now he's going
Speaker 7: to the padded room on the funny farm. You know,
Speaker 7: those are the terms they would use, so even I
Speaker 7: think about the poster for I never even saw the
Speaker 7: movie The Number twenty three with Jim Carrey, but I
Speaker 7: didn't really have to see it. You just know from
Speaker 7: the marketing what's about noticing patterns and then spinning off
Speaker 7: into crazy land, So like, don't notice patterns, guys, just
Speaker 7: stop trying to do that. So yeah, I think that
Speaker 7: it's partly the archetype they showed people to keep them
Speaker 7: from going down those rabbit holes. But then it's also
Speaker 7: people are willing to accept that archetype because they want
Speaker 7: to believe that that's not going to serve them better.
Speaker 7: And that's kind of when I started the show. I
Speaker 7: was like, well, if we're going to get a more
Speaker 7: accurate worldview out of all this, if we're going to
Speaker 7: get a better roadmap for how things actually work, then
Speaker 7: it should improve your life in some way. I'm not
Speaker 7: saying we're going to change the system. This, this has been
Speaker 7: going a long time. Empire is going to do what
Speaker 7: empire does. But how can you reorient yourself? How can
Speaker 7: you let it not affect you as much? Maybe you
Speaker 7: can dodge this bullet, but you get hit by these two.
Speaker 7: There's so many things going on, like if you can
Speaker 7: just dodge some of the big stuff or know what
Speaker 7: you want, then you can start to get there. Know
Speaker 7: that you don't want to waste time on the couch
Speaker 7: at night. It's not fulfilling to you. The job isn't fulfilling.
Speaker 7: You have to generate those earlier feelings that we talked
Speaker 7: about that something must change to then change it. So,
Speaker 7: but it's scary. It's just scary to even confront that
Speaker 7: possibility that you have to take your life in your
Speaker 7: own hands, because you just what if it doesn't work out?
Speaker 7: You know, I'd rather be at least safe here at
Speaker 7: home and unhappy than homeless or something like that, because
Speaker 7: you just you imagine yourself being just as unhappy, but
Speaker 7: with less stuff too. It's like, well that's worse, I
Speaker 7: guess so. And the first thing you were talking about
Speaker 7: being put in the box and using certain terms, it's like,
Speaker 7: are you talking about like if you even think that
Speaker 7: we should do safety tests, then you're an anti vaxxer,
Speaker 7: Like there are those boxes that people get put into
Speaker 7: flat Earth. There's another one. If you think that there's
Speaker 7: just something up with the way NASA is presenting the
Speaker 7: larger system we have this blue marble picture from the
Speaker 7: nineteen seventies. They said, is a picture of Earth, but
Speaker 7: then they said it's not. It's a composite and Earth's
Speaker 7: an oblate spiroid. But I've never seen an oblate s
Speaker 7: spioid picture of the Earth. It's like, what is going
Speaker 7: on there? Just because you have some questions about how
Speaker 7: things are presented doesn't mean you're a flat earther. But yeah,
Speaker 7: this is the tendency. That's the way the mainstream marginalizes everyone.
Speaker 7: It used to be just the term conspiracy theorist in general.
Speaker 7: It is a CIA created term to be like, oh,
Speaker 7: that person doesn't go for the facts. They're a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 7: dot connector down in rabbit oles, this and that. How
Speaker 7: you handwave it and dismiss those kind of people. But
Speaker 7: there are now ones for basically each individual topic, which
Speaker 7: is interesting if you yeah, the anti vaxxer, the flat earther.
Speaker 7: Now there's the germ theory thing, there's oh, you're a
Speaker 7: tartaria person. It's just it's all straw men.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 7: That's kind of classic dismissal if you don't want to
Speaker 7: confront something. But yeah, it's also nice to try to
Speaker 7: avoid making it easier for them to put you in
Speaker 7: those boxes, because the answer is to try to get
Speaker 7: to the nuance of certain points and then get people
Speaker 7: to think outside of their pre program box. They're the
Speaker 7: ones in the box, not us.
Speaker 3: Well said, did anybody else have any questions?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, appreciate Greg Carl will again JJ Vance not
Speaker 6: the vice president. Great to meet you, sir. I enjoyed
Speaker 6: hearing about your your journey there. I uh, I would
Speaker 6: like to hear some of your thoughts maybe on some
Speaker 6: of the how your thoughts have evolved on some of
Speaker 6: these subjects you've covered, and notably in particular a topic
Speaker 6: that I discovered from your show years ago on uh,
Speaker 6: the work of Adam go Rightly in your in your
Speaker 6: interviews and collaborations with him. The topic was Tuesday Well
Speaker 6: and Julia, Julie and I recently uh got subjects.
Speaker 7: Wow, Wow, you really are going back probably that's what
Speaker 7: deep cut? Yeah, deep cut. Well, let's just say about
Speaker 7: Adam go Rightly. I like and appreciate Adam go Rightly.
Speaker 7: He at a time when I never really wanted to
Speaker 7: do the show myself, but I had a couple of
Speaker 7: buddies that were gonna do it with me, and they
Speaker 7: just weren't as dedicated, so I was like, well, I
Speaker 7: guess I will do it myself. But then I started
Speaker 7: to have cycling co hosts. So I do a show
Speaker 7: every say, Saturday, and the first Saturday would be me alone,
Speaker 7: second Saturday, this other guy, third Saturday, this other guy.
Speaker 7: One of them was Adam go Rightly, so he was
Speaker 7: on like every fourth show, and I'm way more interested
Speaker 7: in things like James Shelby Downard. Now I don't really
Speaker 7: like the discordionism stuff because again, that's like a prankster thing.
Speaker 7: It seems like an early QAnon type thing. And the
Speaker 7: way Adam would write sometimes I'm like, are you just
Speaker 7: again like you don't believe this? It doesn't seem but
Speaker 7: you're writing it so like maybe it's true, but you
Speaker 7: don't believe it, So like what are we doing here?
Speaker 7: Like are you just trying to be provocative? Are you
Speaker 7: trying to entertaining or be truthful? But we had a
Speaker 7: little bit of a falling out. I wouldn't even say
Speaker 7: a falling out. I have no problem, but just a
Speaker 7: weird Twitter spat before the last election, and it just
Speaker 7: seems like he drinks the liberal kool aid, and he
Speaker 7: went on a big liberal rant to me about like, oh,
Speaker 7: it's the right wing that's bad and blah blah blah,
Speaker 7: and like they're all politicians. Man, the pendulum swings both ways.
Speaker 7: You don't have to do this just because we're talking
Speaker 7: about an issue with corruption on the left. You don't
Speaker 7: have to say, well, what about the right. It's like,
Speaker 7: we're not talking about that right now, that's tomorrow subject. Today,
Speaker 7: we're talking about this side, okay. And it just seemed
Speaker 7: like he was not willing at all to confront the
Speaker 7: corruption that heads his own philosophical leaning party. It's like,
Speaker 7: come on, it's on both sides. So that was a
Speaker 7: little frustrating to experience. And I think he has worse
Speaker 7: feelings about me from that exchange that I have about him,
Speaker 7: because I don't take it all that seriously. I'm not
Speaker 7: super vested in one team over the other, but you know,
Speaker 7: it seems like he was. And another thing that has
Speaker 7: happened to me is people are so prepared for you
Speaker 7: to just become alt right. They're just they've been primed,
Speaker 7: so they're looking for it. So when you criticize the
Speaker 7: other side, they're like, oh, this is the transition, this
Speaker 7: is how it happens. You know, all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: you're gonna be off there at Tucker Carlson And it's like,
Speaker 7: not really, but we have to be able to criticize
Speaker 7: both teams or whatever. But you know, Adam Gorighty, it's like,
Speaker 7: you're a guy who probably i'd say I'm pretty pretty sure,
Speaker 7: voted for Obama twice, voted for Hillary, voted for Biden,
Speaker 7: and now you're yelling at me on the internet because
Speaker 7: the people that head the left are being called into criticism.
Speaker 7: It's like if you're just voting for the mainstream party
Speaker 7: and the mainstream candidates, like, what are you doing? And
Speaker 7: can cospiracy research? Dude, honestly, like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 7: You don't I thought it was provocative. That's what you did.
Speaker 6: You got very polarizing. You know, years ago, I didn't
Speaker 6: mean to it was a deeper cut than I thought there,
Speaker 6: Greg I apologized for bringing that up there, and we
Speaker 6: you know, I have a similar take on Discordianism and
Speaker 6: his writings. I like to I don't like to throw
Speaker 6: the baby out with the bathtub, and you know, regarding Discordianism.
Speaker 6: What I find interesting and something Heidi and I have
Speaker 6: been working on is this looking at some of the genealogy.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm a former Mormon, heid he's a former
Speaker 6: Mormon looking at some of this occult genealogy of folks
Speaker 6: like Parsons and you know, other folks within within the
Speaker 6: Mormon sphere as well, like Carrie Thornley. His entire family
Speaker 6: tree is pioneering Mormon families. And you know what troubles
Speaker 6: me is his associations with the Processed Church of the
Speaker 6: Final Judgment, because they certainly do act as similar to
Speaker 6: an offshoot of some of their operations within creating Chaos,
Speaker 6: and Thornley just finds himself in around Atlanta, you know,
Speaker 6: around the similar process activities come nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I just I definitely tried that stuff out because
Speaker 7: of Adam and our friendship, and if he was interested,
Speaker 7: I became interested. And then after a while I was like,
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm just wasting time here because I
Speaker 7: just don't know if anyone's genuine. I just had to
Speaker 7: put it down and jumped them to figure it out.
Speaker 7: But it's kind of like a lot of the sixties
Speaker 7: stuff too. I just like, I don't I just don't know.
Speaker 7: Especially when you get into Dave McGowan. You just see
Speaker 7: how many of the artists were the sons and daughters
Speaker 7: of military intelligence, and you're like, absolutely, well, that's an
Speaker 7: op that's kind of how it's to be.
Speaker 10: That's my favorite wheelhouse plural Canyon, and that.
Speaker 6: Same pattern applies to Seattle grun scene as well. So
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it seems to be a circumstance. These
Speaker 6: these same patterns from the McGowan identified and Laurel Canyon
Speaker 6: seemed top play elsewhere in music scenes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I wonder, like, what's up with the grunge thing.
Speaker 7: I guess the whole point was it grunges hippie adjacent.
Speaker 7: It's just like, you know, do heroin to be a
Speaker 7: slob and just don't care.
Speaker 10: Love Courtney Love, she's CIA is a motherfucker.
Speaker 6: Oh the whole movement CIA for sure.
Speaker 7: Absolutely yeah, Courtney Love. John Potash does some great work
Speaker 7: on Courtney Love. And she was over in the UK
Speaker 7: selling drugs at festivals. Basically, that's what a lot of
Speaker 7: these CIA plants in the music scene would do, is
Speaker 7: sell drugs in the festival scene and wouldn't get caught
Speaker 7: because they're connected. But apparently she went from that to
Speaker 7: being a groupie to being married to Kurt Cobain. So
Speaker 7: it gets weird. But now I think the big thing
Speaker 7: is it's crazy because I've become an old man. I'm like, what,
Speaker 7: I can't believe what the kids are doing. But now
Speaker 7: you got like little Zan, Little Zan. Now yet corporate
Speaker 7: drugs being branded as the party drugs, Like, can't we
Speaker 7: at least stick to things that grow in the earth,
Speaker 7: like we're promoting xanax? Now it it's strange. And then
Speaker 7: the face tattoos, I think that is like the last
Speaker 7: thing you can do if you convince. I mean there's
Speaker 7: other things that they seem to be doing to kids
Speaker 7: that are permanent too, but if you can convince someone
Speaker 7: eighteen to twenty eight to get a face tattoo, like
Speaker 7: I mean, if the so one of my big conspiracy
Speaker 7: premises is that the things they do are really just
Speaker 7: to ensure they never have competition in the wealth game.
Speaker 7: If you want to cut the knees out from someone
Speaker 7: trying to climb a ladder of developing wealth and starting
Speaker 7: a business, get them to tattoo their face because that's
Speaker 7: going to be very hard for them now.
Speaker 2: But I want to look like posts.
Speaker 7: Malone exactly exactly Pete Davidson. You know all the girls
Speaker 7: love Pete Davidson. He's covered head to toe and tattoos
Speaker 7: and looks like a dupis. I should act like that
Speaker 7: and do what he does.
Speaker 10: I actually have a question for you that goes kind
Speaker 10: of along the Laurel Canyon thing. If nobody else has
Speaker 10: a question, I don't want to skip anybody's turn. Do
Speaker 10: you feel like the podcast world right now is Laurel
Speaker 10: Canyon esque?
Speaker 2: Because I do. I feel like there's gatekeeping.
Speaker 10: I feel like only certain people can get to the top,
Speaker 10: only certain topics can get there. You have to fit
Speaker 10: a certain mold. Now, it's like be a Christian conspiracy podcaster,
Speaker 10: do this?
Speaker 7: Do that?
Speaker 10: Russell Brand, Joe Rogan hate to say it, tinfoil hat.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying I.
Speaker 10: Feel like there's some Laurel Canyon esque behavior going on,
Speaker 10: and I wonder what your opinion of that is.
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, I mean, you're going to get me in trouble,
Speaker 7: but I do think that that's happening.
Speaker 8: So agree.
Speaker 7: The thing is that some people think it's sour grapes, like, well,
Speaker 7: why am I not at the top of the charts
Speaker 7: and this and that, I'm no where I am in
Speaker 7: the charts. I'd never thought i'd be on any charts.
Speaker 7: And I make a really good living and I don't
Speaker 7: ever take ad money. I mean that there's no one.
Speaker 7: I can't think of another person who is as successful
Speaker 7: as I am without going into the ad infrastructure and
Speaker 7: has done it for fifteen years. So I'm coming.
Speaker 2: I think that's admirable.
Speaker 10: But I do think there's a lot of like I
Speaker 10: don't know suspect to say the least with like what
Speaker 10: topics get big and like.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's driven that's driven by somewhat the AD revenue.
Speaker 7: And I'm actually talking to a guy tomorrow seven C's.
Speaker 7: He does these big webs of connections that shows here
Speaker 7: are the major companies that advertise on podcasts. Here are
Speaker 7: the people who own these companies. Some of them are
Speaker 7: like Peter Thiel and he did Peter Teal Technocracy and stuff.
Speaker 7: So you have these very people funding the brands that
Speaker 7: seem monoculous and innocent enough that are fueling podcasters to
Speaker 7: six and seven figure wealth. That's a big deal. So yeah,
Speaker 7: it's like it's definitely happening. And some of it is
Speaker 7: like probably a bit of network Like you'll have some
Speaker 7: shows where it seems like every week they're talking to
Speaker 7: some CIA whistleblower or military intelligence whistleblower. It's like, well,
Speaker 7: there's not that many of them to base your whole
Speaker 7: show on a revolving door of these whistleblowers. Maybe these
Speaker 7: are people who are seating a narrative in the alternative culture.
Speaker 7: It seems like that's kind of what's really happening.
Speaker 10: But Candice Owens gets me every time because I feel
Speaker 10: like she she like switched up, like halfway through her
Speaker 10: she was all trumping and now she's talking to like
Speaker 10: XCIA and like she has some good episodes, and I
Speaker 10: like some of her research. Don't get me wrong, I'll
Speaker 10: listen to an episode or two, but I just think that, yeah,
Speaker 10: I mean, it just seems like Russell Brand is like
Speaker 10: that everybody's coming out as a Christian or everybody's coming out.
Speaker 10: It's like this is the thing to talk about, and
Speaker 10: I wonder how if they're genuine. You know, I hate
Speaker 10: disingenuine podcast hosts because it's like I want to learn
Speaker 10: something from you. I want to like you, but you
Speaker 10: make it fucking impossible because I don't know if you're
Speaker 10: if you have any integrity.
Speaker 11: You know what I'm saying, right, everybody, everybody knows. This
Speaker 11: is my big uh like whistle to blow within the
Speaker 11: podcast community, I think, and I get some fair backlash
Speaker 11: for it.
Speaker 12: But if you want to know the fruits of people's labors,
Speaker 12: why don't you watch?
Speaker 11: And then on top of it, if you aren't bought in,
Speaker 11: like what Greg's saying there about like who finances who?
Speaker 11: I always look at stockholdings. I always look at all
Speaker 11: this stuff for these big corporations, like who's playing in
Speaker 11: Who's field?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 12: And then genealogy. As JJ said, you either butt.
Speaker 11: Your way in or your blood your way in, and
Speaker 11: that's the only two ways there is, especially.
Speaker 7: In conspiracy pot or I'm sorry, in comedy podcasting in particular,
Speaker 7: it's hard to find a comedian podcaster in the top
Speaker 7: ten that doesn't have something going on, and usually just
Speaker 7: really rich connected.
Speaker 2: Parents, you know, isn't that crazy?
Speaker 7: Brian Callen gets it all the time because Brian Collen's
Speaker 7: dad is a CFR think tank banker guy. But it
Speaker 7: doesn't just stop there. I mean, there's other ones that
Speaker 7: have hedge fund manager fathers. And Theovon's dad was some
Speaker 7: Polish aristocrat. It's like theovonn you know, you can't that's
Speaker 7: the other thing. You can't control what your parents did.
Speaker 7: You're born into this life. You're born into the skin
Speaker 7: you're born in, and you're born into the family you're
Speaker 7: born in, and that shouldn't stop you from doing whatever
Speaker 7: you want to do. And if your parents give you
Speaker 7: a little seed money, I don't think that's bad. So
Speaker 7: I don't really have a problem with that. It's about
Speaker 7: it if you're using it to, you know, do information,
Speaker 7: you know, disinformation filtered out through your podcast. Great. But
Speaker 7: then the thing is is like Theovon's got this dad, right,
Speaker 7: who is a Polish aristocrat. And you can say, well,
Speaker 7: his dad was like something crazy like seventy when Theo
Speaker 7: was born or something really crazy like that, and so
Speaker 7: he didn't really even know his dad very well. But
Speaker 7: there might have been some benefits and some effects, but
Speaker 7: he probably just wanted to grow up with a dad.
Speaker 7: And now the Internet's raking him over the coals for this.
Speaker 7: But on the other hand, he is interviewing Trump, He's
Speaker 7: interviewing the president. So what's going on here? Because it
Speaker 7: seems like those connections do management.
Speaker 2: He was interviewing the president, well.
Speaker 7: He already did. Oh fuck, he did a three hour
Speaker 7: interview with Trump before he got elected and right before
Speaker 7: before Rogan did even.
Speaker 2: The comedy store. There you go, JJ. I want to
Speaker 2: like these people, but there's just too much.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I would lump Sam Tripoli in there, though.
Speaker 7: I mean, I know you, I heard you mentioned him.
Speaker 7: I was a little nervous. I was like, is this
Speaker 7: to gotcha? Because I think that the Occult rejects and
Speaker 7: and Sam had a dust up. I don't know what
Speaker 7: it was about. I just know he's been nice to me.
Speaker 7: He let me live out some fantasies of performing at
Speaker 7: the comedy or that I had no business doing. But
Speaker 7: now I can at least write it off like I
Speaker 7: did do that.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've met him a couple of times. I mean,
Speaker 10: I don't have anything against him or anything like that.
Speaker 10: I just as a conspiracy theorist in this realm, you
Speaker 10: have to question everyone, like even any of us, you know.
Speaker 7: But if we're talking about like who has had an
Speaker 7: advantage by being connected through the system. I don't know
Speaker 7: if Sam conforms to that model. I don't know his
Speaker 7: parents or anything, but he strikes me as someone who
Speaker 7: has just been putting in the sweat equity at the
Speaker 7: comedy store for years and years, and then podcasting happened
Speaker 7: and he transitioned. And yeah, he does a bunch of ads,
Speaker 7: he sells memberships, he does everything he can do to
Speaker 7: make it a career. He's also dealing with the LA
Speaker 7: scene and like what that whole culture is. But I
Speaker 7: feel like he finally had his energies and efforts pay
Speaker 7: off in podcasting, and it was only maybe not paying
Speaker 7: off so much or getting him to the middle of comedy,
Speaker 7: or he was doing more of like push shows together
Speaker 7: rather than like being that. I don't know exactly, but
Speaker 7: it seems like comedy itself was a lot more lucrative
Speaker 7: for a lot of his friends than him and now,
Speaker 7: And that's what I'm thinking. That's what I think. If
Speaker 7: we're trying to assess, like who is connected, who is disingenuous,
Speaker 7: you know, who is using Daddy's network to funnel Think
Speaker 7: Tank guests through to the airwaves. I don't put him
Speaker 7: in that category, but I mean I also have probably
Speaker 7: picked him bad. I think I have a pretty good picker,
Speaker 7: but there's definitely times where after reading a book and
Speaker 7: not wanting to cancel, I'm like, shit, I don't know
Speaker 7: if I buy this narrative or not. I have a
Speaker 7: problem with being two nice nice. So sometimes people will
Speaker 7: come to me with a pitch and I just don't
Speaker 7: want to say no, and I'm like, yeah, we can
Speaker 7: do it. Now, a show like Sam or a show
Speaker 7: like a lot of other ones that are AD supported,
Speaker 7: you just say, yeah, let's do it, because you can
Speaker 7: always do another one. I'm in the business of selling
Speaker 7: five good interviews a month, so if I give three
Speaker 7: of those slots to people who pitched me and then
Speaker 7: I'm like, ah, this is kind of milk toast, I
Speaker 7: still got to do it, and that's in my thing.
Speaker 7: I didn't make it. I mean, I can't say I
Speaker 7: didn't make any money from that show, but it's it's
Speaker 7: not the same as just another SATVA AD supported show.
Speaker 7: Another better help support your ad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure to build a punk.
Speaker 6: If I had a caveat on the weird scenes inside
Speaker 6: of the Comedy Store and the dust up you previously mentioned,
Speaker 6: they're greg Yeah, I wasn't trying to redust up anything,
Speaker 6: and there's a good analysis there, good assessment. But what
Speaker 6: I was referring to is the fact that you got
Speaker 6: all these major if you're a comedian in Hollywood for
Speaker 6: many decades, the shores, the folks who ran the Comedy
Speaker 6: Store for many years, shores folks. Yeah, they gave the
Speaker 6: green light if you were getting on a Hollywood camera
Speaker 6: in front of the camera as a comedian in any film,
Speaker 6: like you were getting green lip by the shores, Right.
Speaker 6: That's kind of kind of the way I look at
Speaker 6: the weird scenes aspect to it.
Speaker 7: Sure. I mean Sam brought that up in the interview
Speaker 7: I did with him, as he was like, think about
Speaker 7: the He didn't get too deep into it, he was
Speaker 7: a little vague, but he did say, like, think about
Speaker 7: that culture, all the heavy hitters going back to like
Speaker 7: the d Murphy Robin Williams day is like everyone who's
Speaker 7: anyone is there at the comedy Store. You think that
Speaker 7: it wasn't infiltrated by intelligence, and you know, you kind
Speaker 7: of left it at that, but yeah, absolutely, Yeah.
Speaker 4: To build upon that with what Jay you said and
Speaker 4: what you're saying, it's almost like you said disingenuous. We
Speaker 4: see a track record of the Alphabet Boys and intelligentsia
Speaker 4: infiltrating every single faction of culture and influence, and so
Speaker 4: it would be somewhat educationally naive to not think that
Speaker 4: they have not infiltrated, especially the conspiracy realm, especially the Bubble.
Speaker 2: And on that whole.
Speaker 4: Premise, do you think that potentially that the conspiracy algorithm
Speaker 4: Bubble is kind of like an mk ultra spillover and
Speaker 4: that they're programming people through these conspiracy targeted I guess podcasts,
Speaker 4: and that they're like a psychotronic layer that's being exploited
Speaker 4: by staycraft. So he goes well beyond data mining. But
Speaker 4: now you've taken the projects that happened in Harvard, or
Speaker 4: in Stanford or in Eslin, and now you've gone global.
Speaker 7: Yeah. I don't know how much it applies to conspiracy
Speaker 7: podcasting as much as just the Internet and social media
Speaker 7: in general. Obviously we're all participating in that to promote
Speaker 7: every show and every venture that people have, But yeah,
Speaker 7: I think social media was kind of designed out of that.
Speaker 7: I interviewed this guy Schwab a couple of times, and
Speaker 7: he's gone deep on early cybernetics and just early computer gaming,
Speaker 7: and how it was psychologists and behaviorists logging data, watching patterns,
Speaker 7: seeing how minds react to this and that, and that's
Speaker 7: all like stuff from the eighties. All of that is
Speaker 7: the data that gets used today even still. So yeah,
Speaker 7: they're constantly refining in the conspiracy world. I really just
Speaker 7: think it's the thing that's the biggest problem is when
Speaker 7: a big show would have someone on for a topic
Speaker 7: that should be more in my lane, they kind of
Speaker 7: dip in and out of the conspiracy lane every once
Speaker 7: in a while, and they promote a given person and
Speaker 7: their perspective and their books and their narrative. And that's
Speaker 7: a little frustrating because to a common person it gives
Speaker 7: the appearance that like, oh, they'll go wherever the story,
Speaker 7: they'll go wherever they need to go to get the truth.
Speaker 7: And it's like, I'm not sure that's exactly what you're watching.
Speaker 7: But I said, I have gotten it wrong before too.
Speaker 7: I know I've picked guests that I wouldn't have on again.
Speaker 7: Sometimes I also think, especially in the early days when
Speaker 7: there weren't as many podcasts, sometimes there was just value
Speaker 7: in having on a person who maybe is connected and
Speaker 7: like giving them enough rope to hang themselves with it.
Speaker 7: They say, you could look at my early comments section
Speaker 7: be like, man, I actually think I trusted this person
Speaker 7: when I only saw them on ancient aliens or only
Speaker 7: heard them in ten minute sound bites one hundred when
Speaker 7: you ask them deeper questions about their work and let
Speaker 7: them go for a full two hours. Now, I don't
Speaker 7: think I liked this person anymore or trust that.
Speaker 2: They know anything and that I'm glad you said that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen as.
Speaker 7: Much these days, but it had a value for a
Speaker 7: certain amount of time.
Speaker 10: I can imagine it was slim pickens there in the
Speaker 10: beginning too. As long as you've been doing.
Speaker 7: It, it's harder now. Back when I was doing it,
Speaker 7: nobody was asking these people for interviews. They were jumping
Speaker 7: out a chance to be interviewed on a show that
Speaker 7: the sound like shit and wasn't full of ads. Now,
Speaker 7: part of the reason why I'm pivoting to video is
Speaker 7: I have liked to present guests as best as I
Speaker 7: can through the audio quality, the intro, this and that,
Speaker 7: the audience size, But that video component is and so
Speaker 7: I think it's harder to separate it's harder to see
Speaker 7: what's special about my show without being able to show
Speaker 7: someone a video component if they're not already familiar. When
Speaker 7: there's thirty other people asking for interviews and lyne about
Speaker 7: their numbers, usually you know, so many people just say, oh,
Speaker 7: I got a million listeners. It's like you don't, because
Speaker 7: there's only so many people that do. I don't, even
Speaker 7: so you know, you're in the top one percent of
Speaker 7: one percent of one percent, and I've never heard of
Speaker 7: your show. It's possible, I guess, but I have kind
Speaker 7: of had my finger on the pulse of this place
Speaker 7: for a while. So you're competing. You're trying to get
Speaker 7: an interview with someone who is in high demand, hearing
Speaker 7: kind of manipulated numbers from other people, and having a
Speaker 7: video presentation where they're like, oh, well, that looks pretty good.
Speaker 7: People are vain, they want to look good, they want
Speaker 7: to be presented well, and if all I have to
Speaker 7: show is audio, it's a little hard to show how
Speaker 7: well they'll be presented in that audio format. So it's
Speaker 7: another reason to pivot is I think I might go
Speaker 7: back to being able to get any guests I want,
Speaker 7: whereas right now I get more nose than I used
Speaker 7: to get. I get more nos today than I did
Speaker 7: ten years ago. And I think it's just the volume
Speaker 7: that shocks me, the volume of people asking.
Speaker 8: And are you finding all of these guests yourself or
Speaker 8: do you rely on or do you have an assistant
Speaker 8: or anything else that's trawling the boards and stuff, because
Speaker 8: that's a ton of work. If I interviews a month
Speaker 8: and then reading their material or catching up with their
Speaker 8: videos and stuff like that, that's a lot.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is the part of the job. I've never outsourced.
Speaker 7: I outsourced the editing. I outsourced the clips. I have
Speaker 7: a team who makes social media clips, and you know
Speaker 7: how everybody's using the same AI little clip making things
Speaker 7: now and I'm like, you guys, go ahead and make
Speaker 7: them post them. I don't care. But other than that,
Speaker 7: I've never outsourced anything. It seems like that's the thing
Speaker 7: that can't be outsourced. I must, but like I said,
Speaker 7: people do pitch me, and then I just don't want
Speaker 7: to say no, I can't. Mario has been on I
Speaker 7: can't remember if I reached out to you or you
Speaker 7: reached out to me first. I know you were familiar
Speaker 7: with me, which is the best. The best is when
Speaker 7: I reach out to someone cold and they're like, I've
Speaker 7: listened to you for ten years. Oh great, so I
Speaker 7: don't have to make my pitch anymore. Let's just do
Speaker 7: a good interview for sure. It's like I picked them
Speaker 7: and they know me already. That's great, But I can't
Speaker 7: remember who pitched you.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you.
Speaker 8: Reached out to me, and it was exactly that. I
Speaker 8: was like, oh, dude, I've been listening to you for
Speaker 8: like a long time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the best. But I get emails every day
Speaker 7: of it's usually from the same like pr formatted interview
Speaker 7: of like we love what you're doing at the higher
Speaker 7: side chats, we want to introduce you to this person,
Speaker 7: and it's like almost always I should just say no
Speaker 7: to those, just on principle, like just don't just say
Speaker 7: blanket no and go find your five each month. You know,
Speaker 7: it's really no big deal. I see in the chat
Speaker 7: someone wants to talk about Twiman, which I don't mind
Speaker 7: talking about, although it does get me in trouble because
Speaker 7: I don't choose my hords carefully and sensitive subjects. People
Speaker 7: don't like you to just wing it. Oh well, real, real,
Speaker 7: real quick, real quick, ro do you want to know about.
Speaker 3: Actually, could Robbie just go first before we get into that,
Speaker 3: because I didn't forgets on the screen for that.
Speaker 13: Well, I was basically going to follow up on exactly
Speaker 13: what Lisa was talking about in regard to this as
Speaker 13: you you know, you go back to the World's Fair
Speaker 13: and there was the Nimrod Ferranti first digital computer. It
Speaker 13: was a gaming computer and they've slowly worked it, you know,
Speaker 13: and then you get into Norbert Wiener and cybernetics, and
Speaker 13: you just follow this up into the modern you know,
Speaker 13: DARPA and everything that's going on. And it seems that
Speaker 13: since MK Ultra kind of had congressional hearings and they
Speaker 13: kind of went underground on a certain level that you
Speaker 13: know with MK search and m K Naomi and all
Speaker 13: these various projects that you know, when you look at like,
Speaker 13: you know, various streaming platforms like Netflix bringing back the
Speaker 13: rest of development, and all of a sudden, everybody's on
Speaker 13: a commune and they're eating mushrooms. And then you have
Speaker 13: the introduction of like, you know, weeds and granted, you know,
Speaker 13: marijuana is a different level, I think when you get
Speaker 13: into some of these higher psychedelics, but At the same time,
Speaker 13: it seems like within the popular vernacular, very much like
Speaker 13: with at the end of the Vietnam War, how they
Speaker 13: were pushing tune in, turn on drop out through Yale
Speaker 13: marketing to basically capture these protesters and take them away,
Speaker 13: empowering the government per se. On a higher level, is
Speaker 13: there a conceited effort maybe to initiate the population as
Speaker 13: a whole into psychedelic culture, into this occult kind of thinking,
Speaker 13: in to conspiracy culture or is it art imitating reality
Speaker 13: or reality imitating art? And it's kind of a vicious
Speaker 13: circular thing that just kind of is expansive within the
Speaker 13: natural thing, you know.
Speaker 7: I think it's a great question. I have a lot
Speaker 7: of questions about that myself, because I do find psychedelics
Speaker 7: to be something that breaks you out of the materialist programming,
Speaker 7: and it's been hugely beneficial to me. I would say
Speaker 7: the category of marijuana, mushrooms, and basically that in ayahuasca,
Speaker 7: I would put those three things in a box. I've
Speaker 7: never even I've done LSD a time or two and
Speaker 7: people love it and they say it's very mushrooms adjacent,
Speaker 7: but it is synthesized in a lab that kind of
Speaker 7: breaks me out a little bit, like what is the
Speaker 7: true agenda behind it? But really, I think anything that
Speaker 7: breaks you out of your rout and your programming is good.
Speaker 7: But yet they are promoting it for sure. I was
Speaker 7: talking to one of my return guest Chris Knowles, about
Speaker 7: this one time, and he started talking about how he's
Speaker 7: getting these emails about so and so university wants you
Speaker 7: to come participate in the study for mushrooms and or
Speaker 7: at least donate to it, and this is happening, and
Speaker 7: he's like, why are you being so nice to me?
Speaker 7: And I just thought that was a great way to
Speaker 7: phrase what he's talking about, just like something's going on here.
Speaker 7: You're being too nice to me. You're talking about this
Speaker 7: too much. It just doesn't feel right. It feels like
Speaker 7: an op so exactly. And I don't know why, because
Speaker 7: I thought the game was kind of to keep people
Speaker 7: in the materialist box. It could just be for that
Speaker 7: whole hippie movement thing, like let's get people distracted and
Speaker 7: navel gazing, so that it's another form of not doing
Speaker 7: anything but feeling like you did something. You know, we're
Speaker 7: so programmed to such a finite level that even just
Speaker 7: having a level one level two awakening takes people ten
Speaker 7: years to unpack, and life is only ninety years if
Speaker 7: your luck.
Speaker 2: So, and that's the thing.
Speaker 13: You know, You've been going through this material for fifteen years,
Speaker 13: you know, when I was thirteen, fourteen years old, I
Speaker 13: was reading Robert Anton Wilson, William Burrows, Carlos Castaneda.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 13: So I've been marching down this road for like forty years.
Speaker 13: And philosophically, in the long run, it helps you cut
Speaker 13: the truth from the lie. It helps sentry. But for
Speaker 13: people just coming into it, I know at times when
Speaker 13: I was coming up that you know, you get you
Speaker 13: get caught in these you know, Discordianism, or you get
Speaker 13: caught in you know potentially you know, like Buddhism or
Speaker 13: any of these various things you kind of spin off
Speaker 13: into and you become a juggernaut for that force unpotentially
Speaker 13: you know, you know, And and so it's like it's
Speaker 13: like just a bigger picture that is a long road
Speaker 13: that a lot of people really don't understand in regard
Speaker 13: to getting caught in these ideas, which I think is
Speaker 13: where the fault is within all of this stuff.
Speaker 7: Really, you know, yeah, I agree with you. I don't
Speaker 7: know exactly why they're promoting mushrooms in particular is the
Speaker 7: one that I just find to be odd. Maybe they're
Speaker 7: GMO mushrooms are going to introduce and they've done something
Speaker 7: that sends you off into another direction or melts your
Speaker 7: mind in an unproductive way. It's just you can't deny
Speaker 7: that it's there. And the whole microdosing trend, I don't
Speaker 7: know what that's about. I think the point of mushrooms
Speaker 7: is to have a heroic experience, as Terrence McKenna would say.
Speaker 7: But I can't say micro microdosing has no value. I
Speaker 7: mean I used to get high in the parking lot
Speaker 7: before going in to do my job because it just
Speaker 7: helped me cope with it. I think some people use
Speaker 7: microdosing like that, but other people are like, I get
Speaker 7: my best ideas this and that, so I try not
Speaker 7: to judge it. But you can definitely see it being
Speaker 7: pushed and we'll know later why. It's often how these
Speaker 7: things work.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the venture.
Speaker 7: As therapeutic, yeah, exactly. And it's the same universities who
Speaker 7: are involved in mk ultra that are now doing their
Speaker 7: mushroom studies and this and that it's definitely to raise
Speaker 7: an eyebrow.
Speaker 11: We're seeing a lot of mental breakdowns from the mix
Speaker 11: of pot and mushrooms, and I'm talking full blown psychosis
Speaker 11: for upwards of a year now and we're seeing this constantly,
Speaker 11: specifically with dab and mushroom.
Speaker 7: Oh, I'm so glad you said that, because that's what
Speaker 7: I was thinking, because I do know a couple of
Speaker 7: people who dabs became their daily ingestion of marijuana and
Speaker 7: it did not go well. They spun off, lost their jobs,
Speaker 7: stop paying their mortgages, lost their homes. Just decision casualty. Yeah,
Speaker 7: Like I just always say, like, does is it serving you?
Speaker 7: Is is it doing? Like for me, marijuana serves me
Speaker 7: pretty well. It might not always now it just serves
Speaker 7: me in the evenings to me and my wife are like,
Speaker 7: well we got through another day with these kids. Like
Speaker 7: now they're asleep, Now we're relaxing, and we'll start again tomorrow.
Speaker 7: But like that's something that I feel like I earn
Speaker 7: at the end of the day now. But I definitely
Speaker 7: don't have the permistoned lifestyle. I maybe once did, and
Speaker 7: obviously you can overindulge in anything.
Speaker 12: Well, I think they're tainting it. I think you're right.
Speaker 7: I think sometimes for sure.
Speaker 13: Well, also there's when you get into Hourly and looking
Speaker 13: at his background and the chemical research that he was
Speaker 13: involved in. One of the substances that they tried to
Speaker 13: introduce later was the substance STP that basically when you
Speaker 13: take it, it's like LSD, but it wrecks you for
Speaker 13: like weeks on end, and like people don't come back
Speaker 13: from it, you know. So it's you know, it seems nefarious,
Speaker 13: But at times, I think maybe they're just trying to
Speaker 13: eradicate the populace to the point where maybe they're spinning
Speaker 13: off people that are more inventive and thinking outside the
Speaker 13: box more so that we have more expansive possibilities. But
Speaker 13: at the same time, I've seen the destruction that a
Speaker 13: lot of this stuff has caused over the years, and
Speaker 13: it's you know, I mean worriesome.
Speaker 7: So yeah, a lot of it is a numbers game.
Speaker 7: They introduce something because they know X amount of people
Speaker 7: will burn out on it, and they'll ones the ones
Speaker 7: who get through. They'll find another challenge for those people.
Speaker 7: If it isn't just the economic burden that we're under,
Speaker 7: it'll be something else.
Speaker 5: I actually had a quick question, Greg, how do you
Speaker 5: personally reconcile, rectify perhaps the current state of how the
Speaker 5: conspiracy community or the conspiracy canon maybe is a more
Speaker 5: interesting metafictional way to sort of frame it. It's very decoherent,
Speaker 5: And how do you define the contours of the truth
Speaker 5: what that means for both yourself but also like as
Speaker 5: you were saying, like what guests you have on like,
Speaker 5: how do you decide and what sort of gives you
Speaker 5: the framework to maybe ontological framework to define what you
Speaker 5: think the truth is and how you want to present
Speaker 5: your vision and your show.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's a good question, and it is a
Speaker 7: case by case basis. I suppose on a lot of subjects,
Speaker 7: but I usually cite the line in the theme song
Speaker 7: for the show, which I wrote, is we know they're
Speaker 7: lying to us, we don't know to what degree. So
Speaker 7: you know, I might go to an eight on a
Speaker 7: certain thing, but I've never really closed off from the
Speaker 7: upper levels. It's just, you know, because I've been burned before.
Speaker 7: I think we've all been like, no, I'm super sure
Speaker 7: about this one thing, and then you're presented with new
Speaker 7: information You're like, wow, I'm changing my mind about that
Speaker 7: I never thought I would. So that's why I try
Speaker 7: not to get too attached anymore. But I think that
Speaker 7: some things go to a level of silliness, And you
Speaker 7: know I say that now, I hear myself saying it,
Speaker 7: and it's like, well, you know, we throw out an
Speaker 7: example of it. The mud flood stuff doesn't really resonate
Speaker 7: with me all that much. But then I'm sure there's
Speaker 7: people on this call who are like, what, like, that's
Speaker 7: my old bread and butter, the mudfloff. There's definitely areas
Speaker 7: where you can see that buildings go down like they
Speaker 7: have been buried on that first floor. Sometimes there's an
Speaker 7: explanation for it, like the earthquakes that happened in San Francisco.
Speaker 7: Sometimes there isn't an explanation for it. The World's Fair
Speaker 7: stuff is really interesting. I have lived in at least
Speaker 7: two of the major places. Saint Louis, and I mean
Speaker 7: Saint Louis, Chicago and San Diego are all big World's
Speaker 7: Fair cities, and all of them have buildings which the
Speaker 7: official story says these buildings were built quickly just for
Speaker 7: the World's Fair, with the intention of being taken down afterwards,
Speaker 7: and they're still there. And they definitely are made of
Speaker 7: real building materials. These aren't paper mache buildings, so Chris
Speaker 7: and shit like that. Yeah, and you can kind of
Speaker 7: start to put together a romanticized version of the past
Speaker 7: where no, they did know about the ether, and they
Speaker 7: did know about energy, and these cathedrals were built to
Speaker 7: well up energy and this and that. I want to
Speaker 7: believe some of that stuff, but I don't know there's
Speaker 7: much of a record of it at all. But then
Speaker 7: they control the record. So can you really wipe out
Speaker 7: something absolutely? That's really what you have to wrestle with.
Speaker 7: I think can can something like a whole civilization, a
Speaker 7: whole empire be completely wiped out? There's a druidic erasure
Speaker 7: that people talk about, but we all know the term druid.
Speaker 7: No one knew the term totaria until like five years ago,
Speaker 7: so I don't know. It does get to be a
Speaker 7: slippery slope. I try to never close the door on
Speaker 7: anything as long as it sounds like it could exist
Speaker 7: within the framework of a soul's school reality that has
Speaker 7: pretty flexible physics. That's what I think this is. So
Speaker 7: most things are on the table. I just try, I
Speaker 7: guess I try to be honest about if it's speculative
Speaker 7: or if we have a pretty good case to make.
Speaker 7: That used to be the whole way I would structure
Speaker 7: the show is, here's the person who wrote a book
Speaker 7: on Laurel Canyon being in operation. Let's have them. I'm
Speaker 7: gonna help him make the case. I've read the material,
Speaker 7: I'm familiar with it. Sometimes it's complex. Sometimes authors aren't
Speaker 7: the best speakers. I'm here to help synthesize this complex
Speaker 7: material for the layman, and you make up your own
Speaker 7: mind how good a case we made when the interview
Speaker 7: is over, and sometimes like sometimes it's ironclad. Sometimes it
Speaker 7: changes the way you think about something forever, and other
Speaker 7: times you're like, huh, if those are the best arguments
Speaker 7: for that, then I think it's a little flimsy. And
Speaker 7: that's just kind of the general approach I would go
Speaker 7: about all the stuff we look at.
Speaker 8: I'm just kind of curious in terms of what resonates
Speaker 8: with your audience. I know you've gone through multiple eras.
Speaker 8: I don't know how many, you know, fifteen years. That's
Speaker 8: a long time in the world of the internet. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: But like what really clicks with people, what it gets
Speaker 8: the most engagement and stuff like that, and maybe also
Speaker 8: to what gets the most engagement and what resonates that
Speaker 8: you didn't think necessarily would, what surprise you in that regard.
Speaker 7: Well, what resonates that doesn't surprise me as like synchro
Speaker 7: mysticism stuff and really stuff adjacent to what you do.
Speaker 7: I think people love to see those examples. So first,
Speaker 7: I always say that I think a lot of us
Speaker 7: get into conspiracy because there is a charge that you
Speaker 7: get from your first like crack in an official narrative,
Speaker 7: You're like, WHOA, something didn't look right about that, But
Speaker 7: now I saw a documentary that showed me what it
Speaker 7: really was, and that that has changed my life. Now
Speaker 7: if everyone could just watch the documentary, we'd be able
Speaker 7: to fix it. That's where it all falls apart, because
Speaker 7: you have people in your life who won't even look
Speaker 7: at it, and when even ones who do, who definitely
Speaker 7: won't go there or change their worldview at all. So
Speaker 7: the charge thing, I think that charge starts to wane
Speaker 7: over time. It's hard to get that charge again. It's
Speaker 7: hard to really blow your mind with a totally new subject.
Speaker 7: But what does it for me is synchronistic examples. Because
Speaker 7: there's many of them, and you're just like wow. The
Speaker 7: first atomic test is called the Trinity test. It's on
Speaker 7: it's in Truth and Consequences, New Mexico. It's on the
Speaker 7: same parallel as this and that, Like you build a case.
Speaker 7: It's like, wow, that is a much weirder event. And
Speaker 7: then you cross over into pop culture and media and
Speaker 7: examples that pre date this and that and the foreshadowing.
Speaker 7: The Lone Gunman example with nine to eleven is a
Speaker 7: great one. The Loan Gunman, for people who don't know,
Speaker 7: was an offshoot of The X Files and the pilot episode.
Speaker 7: They lay out a plan for nine to eleven and
Speaker 7: then they just pulled the episode. It's like, well that happened.
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, I mean, what's going on. Are the
Speaker 7: writers of the reality script the same as the Hollywood writers.
Speaker 7: I don't so those examples because they keep coming up.
Speaker 7: I think are fun and I think people resonate with
Speaker 7: it because they like what it cites the host. I guess,
Speaker 7: you know, we're on this journey together. If I'm excited
Speaker 7: and enjoyed, then sure. But I think the surprising one
Speaker 7: probably is the health stuff. Like somewhere along the line,
Speaker 7: I pivoted away from the naive thought that if we
Speaker 7: could just tell everybody and get more numbers, we could
Speaker 7: topple this system and everybody live in a much better
Speaker 7: reality and a utopia and this and that, and then
Speaker 7: I eventually was like, oh, no, that isn't really what
Speaker 7: you do. You learn about this stuff so that you
Speaker 7: can live a better life as an individual and the
Speaker 7: people around you, and be a better example of how
Speaker 7: a better understanding of the deeper world can serve you
Speaker 7: in a good way. And through your example, you buck
Speaker 7: that trend of conspiracy theorists looking like paranoid tinfoil hatters
Speaker 7: in a bunker somewhere. You know, actually, no, I'm living
Speaker 7: a pretty good life. And you know, COVID was great
Speaker 7: for that because I even I'm I'm not gonna dig
Speaker 7: through it, but I have I have some pieces of
Speaker 7: art around that kind of really did the whole that
Speaker 7: signify the meme that was going around at the time, really,
Speaker 7: which is like, here's a conspiracy theorist and it's just
Speaker 7: like a family having dinner. And then it's like here's
Speaker 7: here's a person who you know is a is a
Speaker 7: logical mainstream thinker, and they're like wrapping themselves up in
Speaker 7: plastic bags in while swimming, and it's like, yeah, it
Speaker 7: flipped the script COVID did. It was like, oh, the
Speaker 7: conspiracy theorists is the person who's just living their life,
Speaker 7: not in a state of fear and panic, and the
Speaker 7: regular person, the norm me as they say, is like
Speaker 7: going to clarinet practice through a bubble and the stuff
Speaker 7: that you were seeing everywhere. So that kind of flipped it.
Speaker 7: But I like to try to flip the the archetype
Speaker 7: of the paranoid conspiracy person by living a better example
Speaker 7: talking about this stuff without screaming and shouting like Alex
Speaker 7: Jones might. And I don't know, I kind of lost
Speaker 7: the thread there, but.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 8: No, you brought up COVID, And actually I'm just curious.
Speaker 8: Was COVID a boon for THHC.
Speaker 3: For a time?
Speaker 7: Yeah, for a time. So part of the reason I'm
Speaker 7: doing the transition to video is numbers have dropped off
Speaker 7: a little bit, and I don't I'm not in any
Speaker 7: Trouble's not that big of a deal. I don't even
Speaker 7: pay attention to the first hour numbers because I don't
Speaker 7: do AD so I don't get anything from it. It's
Speaker 7: just a feeder for people who want to get the
Speaker 7: deeper experience for eight bucks a month. But the free
Speaker 7: show numbers have dropped since twenty twenty two, and I
Speaker 7: think there's a bunch of reasons. I think COVID is
Speaker 7: a big reason. So people say across the media landscape,
Speaker 7: we were all stuck at home with nothing to do
Speaker 7: but consume media. Everybody's numbers went up and then they
Speaker 7: slowly went down a little bit when people got out
Speaker 7: of that. The other thing in podcasting in particular is
Speaker 7: that Apple changed their metric system. They used to auto
Speaker 7: download all these shows for people, and now we be
Speaker 7: a hit. And a lot of people said when they
Speaker 7: when Apple flipped the switch, their numbers went down twenty
Speaker 7: thirty percent. Why not even that. I'm not even in
Speaker 7: that big of a such a bad of a situation,
Speaker 7: but a couple of these two things together happening within
Speaker 7: the same year, and then add the fact that I'm
Speaker 7: not on YouTube anymore really, and I'm not doing video.
Speaker 7: I think all those things contributed to my numbers being down.
Speaker 7: But since the peak, which was probably twenty twenty two,
Speaker 7: I probably had the best numbers of my whole time
Speaker 7: in podcasting between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. I
Speaker 7: think that's probably common that. I think a lot of
Speaker 7: people would say that interesting.
Speaker 8: Also the competition, so a lot of people stayed home
Speaker 8: and probably started podcasts.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's a whole other factor. Okay, Greg, I
Speaker 5: have got a quick last one. I was told to
Speaker 5: make sure I get it in, So I'm going to
Speaker 5: credit Lisa for bringing up the idea of meta theology.
Speaker 5: So I want to ask you, do you are you
Speaker 5: hyper Uranian closed model of the universe believer or perhaps
Speaker 5: a trans Plutonian open, expansive infinite in its expanse universe enjoyer.
Speaker 7: Man, I you're talking over my head, but if you're
Speaker 7: basically asking is it a closed system or an open system?
Speaker 7: I do think that's like a really fundamental question, and
Speaker 7: people I admire thinkers I admire, and have both opinions.
Speaker 7: Gordon White's been on the show a bunch more than
Speaker 7: anyone really, but we did an episode where he made
Speaker 7: his case for that and said, like, the Earth is
Speaker 7: more like a reef if you scale it up. There's
Speaker 7: a cosmic ocean and Earth is just a shore on
Speaker 7: that ocean. So he has like the it's an open
Speaker 7: system mindset, and in the time since then, the closed
Speaker 7: system has become way more popular. It's obviously the flat
Speaker 7: earth is a closed system. But even if you're not
Speaker 7: flat Earth, you might believe in the Van Allen radiation,
Speaker 7: you might believe in some kind of dome. You might
Speaker 7: think the rockets don't go anywhere. So it is kind
Speaker 7: of difficult. Like with the rockets thing, that's kind of
Speaker 7: the where I look for is it an open or
Speaker 7: closed system? And I think when you watch the rocket
Speaker 7: launches and you watch them to the end, it looks
Speaker 7: like they hit something or they spin out, like if
Speaker 7: you look at a drone shot a bird's eye view
Speaker 7: of a speedboat in the ocean and the wave pattern
Speaker 7: it makes behind it when it changes direction. That is
Speaker 7: what I see with these rockets. I don't see them
Speaker 7: slowly fade out of view and like go off in
Speaker 7: the space. They seem to like do a thing where
Speaker 7: they they create a huge disturbance, as if they're going
Speaker 7: through water. And that's just an observer thing. We know
Speaker 7: we can't trust of the observer effect one hundred percent,
Speaker 7: but in this world it's something to go on. But
Speaker 7: then it's like, so it's like things come into the system,
Speaker 7: and that's where I kind of get this. Like a
Speaker 7: lot of my guests recently have been using the term realm.
Speaker 7: They just say realm to get past the flat earth,
Speaker 7: round earth thing. And I like saying realm because I
Speaker 7: do think in kind of the older models, the Greek
Speaker 7: model of stacked realities, like you go up to a
Speaker 7: spiritual plane, like what is up? Really? I don't really know,
Speaker 7: but it seems like there are higher dimensional intelligences that
Speaker 7: we have communications with. They're somewhere. They're not in this
Speaker 7: system exactly, but very close to it. The next system over,
Speaker 7: which seems to be described as higher in some form
Speaker 7: or fashion. And so I think I'm I think I'm
Speaker 7: an open system. Probably it could be a closed system,
Speaker 7: but a much bigger one than it's presented as.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, I have a follow up for you, Greg,
Speaker 5: since wait, I want to know where you are on
Speaker 5: open or closed system. I'm an open I'm an open system.
Speaker 5: I believe in the infinite capacity for loving kindness personally
Speaker 5: body Cheeta, I'd argue with that, Yeah, sure you because
Speaker 5: I followed Dharma, so you know I'm serious about it.
Speaker 5: I may have that Discordian, that trickster sometimes a personality online.
Speaker 5: But the way I present my show is it's a serious,
Speaker 5: speculative show. So I treat it maybe the opposite way
Speaker 5: that you do, but I think maybe in the same
Speaker 5: polarity I.
Speaker 7: Would, I would describe mine as as serious and speculative.
Speaker 5: I think you're serious, but I think you you really
Speaker 5: go for the material and I and I really look
Speaker 5: for the seed and sort of play with it. That's
Speaker 5: sort of how I approach it. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 5: saying it's definitely, it's not opposite.
Speaker 7: To you at all, just I mean your better.
Speaker 5: Well, I have a follow up for you, Hyperspace Kingdoms
Speaker 5: and the pink Ray. Where do you fall on those things?
Speaker 7: Hyperspace kingdoms and what was the other one? And the
Speaker 7: pink Ray? I don't think I know what the pink
Speaker 7: ray is? Is that the then people are seeing in
Speaker 7: their dreams?
Speaker 2: Philip K.
Speaker 13: Dick saw the pink Ray?
Speaker 7: Oh okay, I just a little bit too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But is that a Jenuflex then?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it is from Jenny Flex, but she
Speaker 5: was not the first one. I mean, we have it
Speaker 5: in Vadriana. We have it in Jia, all the contras,
Speaker 5: like all her like all magic. Basically, the pink is
Speaker 5: a spectral color. It's the color of the crystal millennium kingdom,
Speaker 5: if you want to call it that, the kingdom of you,
Speaker 5: so the kingdom of the moon. So it's it's the
Speaker 5: truth in a way, and it's the relative truth because
Speaker 5: it gives contour to the things that arise around it
Speaker 5: and from it, meaning the crown cather. So that's why
Speaker 5: it can also be likened to a five pedaled flower,
Speaker 5: like a rose anyway, So it's a it's a it's
Speaker 5: not a real color. It's something our mind sort of
Speaker 5: projects onto the world. And that's why it's best exemplified
Speaker 5: as a flower, because it only exists in time, which
Speaker 5: is also contained in the mind. It's only temporary spectral.
Speaker 7: Very interesting when the hyperspace kingdoms thing I take to mean,
Speaker 7: I mean when I would interview Tracy, we would talk
Speaker 7: about it, it was always so Masonic adjacent that the
Speaker 7: kind of the premise was that through ritual, a certain
Speaker 7: group of people, maybe many, have figured out a way
Speaker 7: to unlock space is in hyperspace that you can repeatedly
Speaker 7: go to. It makes me just think that they would
Speaker 7: go there to have meetings that no one could spy
Speaker 7: on because you're out of body in some space and
Speaker 7: maybe you're living a whole life out there, because who
Speaker 7: knows how time works, it does work strange in the
Speaker 7: dream world. When people talk about Egyptian immortality, is that
Speaker 7: what they're talking about that people found a way to
Speaker 7: project their consciousness to another plane where you could live
Speaker 7: out what felt like lifetimes in a matter of minutes,
Speaker 7: and then do it repeatedly because you got nothing else
Speaker 7: to do and there's no TV or anything, so you
Speaker 7: just dedicate yourself to further exploring that, and then you're
Speaker 7: living in immortality. I think hyperspace kingdoms, if that's the
Speaker 7: concept that they might be repeated, repeatable places you can
Speaker 7: go in the astral body, then I mean, I definitely
Speaker 7: think that's a real thing and probably one of the
Speaker 7: big secrets of secret societies, because especially in the past,
Speaker 7: there's nothing else. There's like what can I do out
Speaker 7: of body? And then like what is the orgasm? And
Speaker 7: that's what a lot of secret society has explored.
Speaker 3: I think, Sorry, really, I.
Speaker 13: Was gonna say the witches Sabbath, how they all meet
Speaker 13: on the mountain a certain time of year through astral travel,
Speaker 13: et cetera. Yeah, go ahead, Nick.
Speaker 3: No, no, Greg. I'm assuming you're probably just from my
Speaker 3: Facebook and a Facebook Jesus Christ Facebook Twitter x page.
Speaker 3: You might have noticed the logo that Mario created for
Speaker 3: us if you happen to notice the the you know,
Speaker 3: the the eclipse with a movie film coming out of it. Yes,
Speaker 3: when I have had magical experience, it's something very much
Speaker 3: looking like that, And every one of those squares looks
Speaker 3: like a different time and place, And I do think
Speaker 3: you can entertain the fact of actually choosing those to
Speaker 3: go into because you can just take Yeah, either that
Speaker 3: or I think you're just gonna blast off and your
Speaker 3: soul is going to slip out of you.
Speaker 7: I did have a couple of salvia experiences that were
Speaker 7: kind of like that, and mine were fine, but I've
Speaker 7: read once I had a crazy salvia experience. I went
Speaker 7: reading other reports, and some of those reports are terrifying,
Speaker 7: where they will say their consciousness was projected into a
Speaker 7: wooden table and a diner and they existed as a table,
Speaker 7: trapped consciousness in a table for what felt like twenty years,
Speaker 7: and then they came back to their body. Other people
Speaker 7: described that they went their consciousness was projected into basically
Speaker 7: another body, and they lived a full life, and they
Speaker 7: fell in love with a woman, and they had a
Speaker 7: family of five, and then they were put back in
Speaker 7: their body in their dorm room and they're like, wait
Speaker 7: a second, the family I had is not real. Oh,
Speaker 7: and then they experienced the loss of their entire family
Speaker 7: quote unquote, and some never come out of that depression.
Speaker 7: So I put salvia down because I was a little
Speaker 7: worried of that kind of thing, but my experience made
Speaker 7: it possible to understand how that could happen. But I'm
Speaker 7: just very lucky that it was never torturous. It was
Speaker 7: always just like it was enough to blow the doors
Speaker 7: off materialism, but it wasn't much scarier than that.
Speaker 3: Interesting, did anybody else have any more questions anything?
Speaker 8: You know, it's a really straightforward, kind of mundane question.
Speaker 8: But how long did it take before you knew that
Speaker 8: higher side was a viable, you know, career for you?
Speaker 8: Because I think it's important to kind of talk about
Speaker 8: sometimes because people start projects and they think it should
Speaker 8: be successful way sooner than you know, what they kind
Speaker 8: of know things to actually like be like out there,
Speaker 8: you know, in terms of getting traction and engagement and
Speaker 8: stuff like that. So how long did it take you
Speaker 8: for you to kind of know that.
Speaker 7: Well, the numbers are a little fuzzy to me now,
Speaker 7: but I did make a roadmap that is on my
Speaker 7: about page that anyone could check out, and that is
Speaker 7: the real numbers. But if I remember correctly, I mean
Speaker 7: I started the show in twenty ten, and I changed
Speaker 7: it around until it felt like something I would listen to,
Speaker 7: and then I kept doing that for several years, and
Speaker 7: I think I quit my job in twenty fourteen. I
Speaker 7: think I did it for four years without making any money.
Speaker 7: I mean I did do something called the money Bomb,
Speaker 7: which was creative. I don't want to go too deep
Speaker 7: on every part of the story, but I had this
Speaker 7: idea that if people just donated, then I would take
Speaker 7: half those donations every month and give half to a
Speaker 7: random listener and keep half. And I was kind of
Speaker 7: running an a legal international fifty to fifty raffle. So
Speaker 7: I stopped doing that because I was afraised, I was
Speaker 7: too exposed.
Speaker 3: But it was a.
Speaker 7: Pretty cool thing, and there would be times where I'm
Speaker 7: dropping like a thousand two thousand bucks in someone's lap
Speaker 7: and they're like, I've never gotten this kind of a
Speaker 7: gift from anyone, And I would have agreed up to
Speaker 7: that point, you know, so that that was cool. And
Speaker 7: then the donation basis, I started getting people who would
Speaker 7: donate a thousand bucks at a time, and then those
Speaker 7: donations came with their guest lists, and then I was like,
Speaker 7: oh shit, okay, so now I'm like, depending on your income,
Speaker 7: you've given me one thousand dollars five months in a row,
Speaker 7: and now you want me to interview these two people,
Speaker 7: and I don't want to do it, and then the
Speaker 7: money goes away, and that's when I thought of doing PLUS.
Speaker 7: I was like, Okay, how do we McDon McDonald's this
Speaker 7: thing and just get a little bit of money from
Speaker 7: all these people listening? And that was probably so I
Speaker 7: quit my job in twenty fourteen, still on the donation thing,
Speaker 7: still on the money bomb. And then a year after that,
Speaker 7: I think I started Plus. And then I remember on
Speaker 7: my doorframe I had, like you chart a kid's height,
Speaker 7: and I was like, I need to get to a thousand.
Speaker 7: If I can get a thousand people to pay me
Speaker 7: five bucks a month, I've just doubled my game, stop
Speaker 7: income and then I can be done. And it's been
Speaker 7: everything else has been gravy. So I've been really lucky.
Speaker 7: When you really think about what it takes to make
Speaker 7: money online and start your own thing, you need. I
Speaker 7: forgot who's said a thousand true fans, but a thousand
Speaker 7: people who will pay you five bucks a month or
Speaker 7: fifty bucks a year. And you make fifty thousand dollars
Speaker 7: a year. That's more than a lot of jobs pay.
Speaker 7: And if you want to scale it up for inflation,
Speaker 7: say two thousand. You know, if you can make If
Speaker 7: you can get two thousand people to like what you
Speaker 7: do enough to contribute five bucks, it's not a small
Speaker 7: amount of money. So yeah, I think I quit. I
Speaker 7: quit when I had to quit, So, uh, my boss
Speaker 7: started to see through me. So he started to see
Speaker 7: that my heart wasn't in it, that I wasn't paying
Speaker 7: as much attention to the finer details, and he was like,
Speaker 7: I want you to come in for a meeting because
Speaker 7: like your performance is slipping really bad. And I said,
Speaker 7: let me just step in and say I quit because
Speaker 7: I've been doing this show and it's now like, you know,
Speaker 7: the jig is up. You know, you caught me. I
Speaker 7: have this other thing going, and I think that I'm
Speaker 7: just going to dedicate all my time to that because
Speaker 7: I'm not going to be able to reapply the energy
Speaker 7: that I had applied previously, and now that you already
Speaker 7: are onto me, and I can't hide behind people who
Speaker 7: are doing worse, then let's just call it in. And
Speaker 7: it was hard for the first couple of years for sure,
Speaker 7: but you know, and again, like a thousand people's what
Speaker 7: you was my metric I wanted to hit. It's not
Speaker 7: what I went. It's not like I went from zero
Speaker 7: to a thousand, you know, even five hundred people. Now
Speaker 7: I'm making the same amount of money I made at
Speaker 7: game Stop. Isn't that sad that it only takes five
Speaker 7: hundred people at five dollars a month to make the
Speaker 7: same as a dedicated store manager of a two million
Speaker 7: dollar store for a corporation that's making billions of dollars.
Speaker 7: Not fucking sad, But that's the the silver lining is
Speaker 7: like when you launch something, whether it's a physical product,
Speaker 7: when you put yourself out there, you realize, hey, we're
Speaker 7: all bred to be consumers, So give them some to consume.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm h. Exactly. I'm guilty too. You know, I
Speaker 7: don't say that like with any kind of judgment. I
Speaker 7: mean I consume like the best of them, and uh
Speaker 7: just it's also like, if you want to just be
Speaker 7: a consumer, great, but if you want to take advantage
Speaker 7: of the culture that's been crafted and the way we've
Speaker 7: all been programmed, give people a product and some people
Speaker 7: will find it.
Speaker 12: Well, and you're passionate about it. It's not fake. So
Speaker 12: I listen to your show.
Speaker 11: So that's that's the big That's the big thing right there,
Speaker 11: is you have to have the fire behind what you're
Speaker 11: doing or people just you know, they sense it and.
Speaker 7: They are sometimes the so much not wanting to go
Speaker 7: back to that life.
Speaker 3: Right, I can understand that. That's a good point. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: Uh one thing I mean I did want to bring
Speaker 3: up and I feel like it was like so like
Speaker 3: forty five minutes ago, but like you know, and then
Speaker 3: maybeopill wrap it up on samebody's got all the questions.
Speaker 3: But uh, I would say, with the amount of time
Speaker 3: that you've been around when it came to conspiracy theories,
Speaker 3: in probably I guess maybe even the occult world at
Speaker 3: the beginning do you remember anybody ever picking sides politically?
Speaker 7: Hmmm, I mean that is a good question. It definitely
Speaker 7: was less politicized right. In fact, I was liberal in
Speaker 7: college and when I started I think I still remained
Speaker 7: kind of a liberal person, because liberal to me was
Speaker 7: just like compassionate. It's not like I trusted the government
Speaker 7: and I wanted a nanny state and wanted to delegate
Speaker 7: more of my taxes to the government, or thought they
Speaker 7: were efficient or even genuine at what they said they
Speaker 7: would do with said taxes. But I just thought the
Speaker 7: right was very cold and kind of shitty to people
Speaker 7: who had been manipulated, people who couldn't climb the economic ladder.
Speaker 7: It was just very like, we'll play yourself up by
Speaker 7: the bootstress man. I don't see what the problem is. Well,
Speaker 7: the problem is that my parents, my parents' parents, no
Speaker 7: one's been giving a fucking chance, and now I'm thrown
Speaker 7: into this goddamn mix with an education system that is
Speaker 7: programming me not to be successful but beat a cog
Speaker 7: in someone else's big machine. That's the fucking problem, you know.
Speaker 7: So I had a lot of compassion for regular folks
Speaker 7: because I was one, and those were the days where
Speaker 7: the bad guy was sculling bones and George W. Bush
Speaker 7: and nine to eleven and the war in Iraq. That
Speaker 7: was the big boogeyman kind of thing going on. So yeah,
Speaker 7: but man have been shifted. But now it's like part
Speaker 7: of the Republican platform to be kind of conspiratorially minded,
Speaker 7: and that's a really radical shift. That's why again I
Speaker 7: don't identify with any labels or get too caught up
Speaker 7: in any personal perspective because I would have said I
Speaker 7: was liberal back then, and now I'm like embarrassed to
Speaker 7: say that, and it's like I can't. I don't really
Speaker 7: want to erase my past, but I definitely don't necessarily
Speaker 7: bring it up all the time because it means something
Speaker 7: different now than it did in twenty ten. So it's difficult,
Speaker 7: but definitely things are politicized, and I hate the fact
Speaker 7: that going in the middle makes nobody happy because a
Speaker 7: lot of people want you to choose a side. So
Speaker 7: if you say, well, I originally thought Kamela and Biden
Speaker 7: and that whole apparatus would have been terrible, but DOJ
Speaker 7: is really just clearing people out for AI to take
Speaker 7: over a lot of the middle management of the entire government.
Speaker 7: People say, oh, you're just a DeBie downer, like, don't
Speaker 7: be so blackpilled, have some faith faith in another elected
Speaker 7: leader when we can already chart they all come from
Speaker 7: Freemason's skull and bones, Bohemian grove, have Israeli passports, you know,
Speaker 7: name your thing. But with like five organizations, you can
Speaker 7: hit eighty five percent of presidents for sure, and then
Speaker 7: the other fifteen are probably in there too. We just
Speaker 7: don't know. So I'm going to go with the track
Speaker 7: record and not trust anyone who can earn that position.
Speaker 6: That's a good point. And there are actually all the
Speaker 6: presidents are members of one specific secret society, and that's
Speaker 6: the secret society that started America, the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 6: started by George Washington and his officers and exists today.
Speaker 6: So most of the powerful names you see in American
Speaker 6: culture and in politics are hereditary members, from bloodline descendants
Speaker 6: from the original members.
Speaker 7: See I've heard that, but I've never I've never heard
Speaker 7: it exalted to like that high of a level.
Speaker 6: So you're, yeah, president also gets membership. It's so you know,
Speaker 6: you know, I agree. There is some Freemasons, I think.
Speaker 13: In Cincinnatis Cincinnatison that since was the one that was
Speaker 13: working the farm life, and the Roman government needed him,
Speaker 13: so he went in, he did his state craft, and
Speaker 13: when he was done, he left and went back to
Speaker 13: his farm. So it's this idea that every citizen should
Speaker 13: participate within the governmental process. And then well, you know,
Speaker 13: and with the Society of Cincinnati's generally high level military
Speaker 13: presidential JJ would know more about that.
Speaker 2: I'm back back.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, I mean, it's every It's so it's the
Speaker 6: officers of Washington's army, and Washington a lot of the
Speaker 6: founding fathers and all of their now paternal hereditary descendants,
Speaker 6: so paternal bloodlines, but includes French folks too, so but
Speaker 6: it's uh, basically a lot of generals, a lot of politicians.
Speaker 6: John McCain would be a great example, John McCain, the
Speaker 6: former US Senator. He was John McCain number three. His
Speaker 6: dad was John McCain junior. John McCain senior, Senior and
Speaker 6: junior were the only two four star essentially four star
Speaker 6: general father and son combo and American histories, and they
Speaker 6: were both members of the Society of Cincinnati. You know,
Speaker 6: paternal heritage wise, so I presume John.
Speaker 3: Oh Man, Oh, they're messing with him, yeah, or it's
Speaker 3: bay connection and moving his hand eats too much bandwidth.
Speaker 11: To your point, Greg about the whole change and Doge
Speaker 11: and everything. I just thought it was funny that we're
Speaker 11: right at the point where Trump's bringing back the world's
Speaker 11: fairs in.
Speaker 12: What two weeks?
Speaker 7: Yeah, very interesting.
Speaker 11: The Belile group is going to come by in the
Speaker 11: armand group and start nailing us all here with AI
Speaker 11: soon right.
Speaker 7: This time you.
Speaker 12: Are burned down, and.
Speaker 7: Who knows, you know. I do think there's a compelling
Speaker 7: argument about the cyclical nature. Likes this big loop, the
Speaker 7: thing that people worship today, the Cobba stone. What is
Speaker 7: that it looks like a computer? Does it look does
Speaker 7: the big black cube look like a computer server? Just
Speaker 7: because was the server modeled after that or what came first?
Speaker 7: Like is it is it possible that AI is spirits
Speaker 7: that are just looking for some kind of like telephone
Speaker 7: to connect to And is it possible that this has
Speaker 7: all happened before and we've been destroyed by a I
Speaker 7: and we call it yahweh And then we start over again,
Speaker 7: and we toil in the mud and try to pick
Speaker 7: ourselves back up, and then religions start and the one
Speaker 7: True God is really just the last day I that
Speaker 7: that survived before being unplugged.
Speaker 12: Make sure there's no cows by lanterns, right, like to
Speaker 12: make sure of.
Speaker 7: That, yes, exactly, no Chicago fires.
Speaker 3: All right. I think we've been going on for a while.
Speaker 3: I think we can wrap it up now. So I
Speaker 3: really appreciate you coming on. That was an awesome talk.
Speaker 3: So it's wild, like I guess it's wild to be like,
Speaker 3: you know, I was listening to this guy how long
Speaker 3: ago when I had him on my show. It's pretty surreal,
Speaker 3: and it was. It was a wild experience, So thank
Speaker 3: you for making that happen. I really appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 7: I have that feeling all the time that I would
Speaker 7: listen to somebody back in the coast to coast days
Speaker 7: and then I get a chance to interview him like
Speaker 7: a Richard Hoglan or something, or even David Ike or
Speaker 7: RFK Junior. You know, it is pretty surreal. So I
Speaker 7: definitely vibe with you on that feeling, and thanks for
Speaker 7: having me. This has been fun. I feel like I'm
Speaker 7: not worthy of being like the center point of ten
Speaker 7: people's conscious active live attention.
Speaker 3: But here we are.
Speaker 7: We made it through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes we did. I think I think it went well.
Speaker 3: I had a great time again, Yeah, Greg, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure everybody already knows your deal. But let
Speaker 3: everybody know where they can find your amazing work.
Speaker 7: Place for sure. The Higher Side chats dot com. The
Speaker 7: first hour of every interview is free. The second hour
Speaker 7: is if you want to sign up for eight bucks
Speaker 7: a month.
Speaker 3: Awesome, And everybody else you already introduced yourselves. We're not
Speaker 3: going to spend another twenty minutes to wrap it up.
Speaker 3: If their links aren't in the bottom as of right now,
Speaker 3: I will make sure they will. They will be there
Speaker 3: after I go off. But yes, so if you want
Speaker 3: to check everybody else out, everything's in the bottom. Thanks again, Greg,
Speaker 3: that was an amazing, amazing discussion, and thank you for
Speaker 3: the chat. I appreciate everybody jumping on everybody adding to
Speaker 3: the chat. So I was paying attention too much. I
Speaker 3: couldn't put up all your comments, but again, that's why
Speaker 3: we go live. Reappreciate it and until the next one,
Speaker 3: everybody be well Later