WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.680 --> 00:00:04.839 Something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:28.679 A welcome to the occult Rejects today. We got a 4 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:32.359 packed house. We got ten of us up in here today. Uh, 5 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:34.719 and we're gonna have all the rejects introduce themselves. Be 6 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:36.679 we until we get to the man of the hour, 7 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.560 the very special guests for you, Lisa, please you ocult 8 00:00:40.600 --> 00:00:43.200 rejected bad scientists. Let everybody know what you're dealing with. 9 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:43.759 What's up? 10 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:46.039 Thank you. I'm very excited to be here. Thank you 11 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:48.640 for the invitation. Thank you everybody. The only thing I 12 00:00:48.679 --> 00:00:51.960 have to plug is a cult Research Institute dot org 13 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:56.200 where a lot of our fellow occult researchers are contributing. 14 00:00:56.479 --> 00:00:58.679 So that's it for me. And I'm very excited to 15 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:00.880 hear about to hear a thing that Greg has to 16 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:01.359 say today. 17 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:03.679 Awesome, Yes to me too. Thank you very much for 18 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.000 joining us. And Jin Friday the Ninja what's going on? 19 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:11.480 Thanks you, Thank you boss. Not Friday today, but and 20 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:14.120 thank you to Greg Carlwitod. Obviously I'm really excited and 21 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.000 slash nervous, but so I host the show called Threshold Saints, 22 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:22.400 which is serial experiments and speculative ontology it's metamagic, meta 23 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.920 reality and metaphysics. And then I also co host a 24 00:01:25.959 --> 00:01:28.400 Friday night space we called Friday Night Nastic Mass called 25 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:30.920 the Gray Lodge, which Nick was so great to jump 26 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:33.359 on last week when I was gone. So we've launched 27 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.040 a of the Daughter, which is an eleven part gospel 28 00:01:36.120 --> 00:01:39.400 of love, as well as our book club. And then 29 00:01:39.480 --> 00:01:41.879 also we're doing a new series called Welcome to Hapaboia, 30 00:01:42.000 --> 00:01:47.799 which is a sort of modern American narcissism. So yeah, 31 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:50.680 you can check me out insta, ig, Twitter, all that 32 00:01:51.079 --> 00:01:52.359 and my link tree will be blown. 33 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.439 Thank you so much. Awesome, thank you, sir and JJ Vance. 34 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:56.560 What is going on, sir. 35 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.840 Nick greeting sir, appreciate the advice always fellow cult rejects. 36 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:02.799 Greg Carlwood. 37 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:05.760 Great to meet you, sir, JJ Vance, host of Operation 38 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:10.879 GCD and more notably not the vice president the Operation 39 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:15.080 GCD Live every Wednesday, Fridays with the Ocult Rejects every 40 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:20.439 Friday Night and Sundays coming this week here Patreon only 41 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:25.120 Sundays here at Operation GCD, eight pm. Looking forward to 42 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:28.479 the conversation. Always great to you know, meet all the 43 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.840 occult rejects. This is the big, big team we got 44 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:32.280 here today. 45 00:02:32.360 --> 00:02:35.919 Oh yeah, hell yeah, thank you very much. And Ethan Indigo, sir, 46 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:36.840 what is going on? 47 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.800 Peace? Salute to everybody. Glad to be here. I'm a 48 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:44.840 writer on the esoteric and the exoteric and can be 49 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:49.520 found really easily and check out Occult Research Institute. Glad 50 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:50.479 to be here with everyone. 51 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:53.520 Thank you. And another special guest we got with us today. 52 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:56.039 This man has been along a journey really with the 53 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:57.759 Occult Rejects, and I think some of the best work 54 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:59.159 that has been done on this show has been done 55 00:02:59.159 --> 00:03:01.280 with him, so I wanted to get him involved. We 56 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:04.479 got Mario from Symbolic Studies, the Tarot man himself. Please 57 00:03:04.599 --> 00:03:05.879 let everybody know what is up. 58 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:09.800 Yeah, for sure, Thanks for the invite, dude. My project 59 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:11.879 is called Symbolic Studies. You can find all my stuff 60 00:03:11.879 --> 00:03:15.159 at Symbolic Studies dot com. I do short form videos 61 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.520 available for terror readings. I've got presentations on my YouTube 62 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.960 all that kind of stuff. Stuck to talk to Greg 63 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.159 and everyone else, So yeah, thanks again. 64 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:26.639 Of course, of course. And we got Ricardo. Please, sir, 65 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:28.919 let everybody know what your deal is and where they 66 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:30.360 can find all your amazing research. 67 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.599 Thank you, An, Thank you for the invite good living 68 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:40.879 to everyone. I'm very excited to listen from Greg today 69 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.319 and see what he has to say. And as for me, 70 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.120 I'm a multi Sumari researcher and you can find all 71 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:49.400 about me and my ex account as it is in 72 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:52.960 the screen at dot calvery wan at x do check 73 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:56.439 out our magazine Pharohs. You can find it at the 74 00:03:56.479 --> 00:03:58.439 Institute for Natural Philosophy dot org. 75 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:02.599 Thank you, Nick, No, of course, thank you. And we 76 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:06.039 got the Cosmic Peach yourself, Julia, what is going on? 77 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:07.879 What's up? 78 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.000 Nick? I'm so excited for this one. I've been looking 79 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:15.560 forward to it. Have Cosmic Peach Podcasts wherever you listen 80 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:19.079 or find your podcast. If you haven't found me yet, yeah, 81 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:20.199 never will. 82 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:23.439 But I'm excited to be here. Thanks for having me 83 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:24.519 of course, of course. 84 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:28.399 And last but not least, the moment slayer herself Heidy Love. 85 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:32.879 Hello everybody. I'm Heidi Love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm 86 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.639 everywhere podcasts are served. I do have my own website, 87 00:04:35.680 --> 00:04:39.279 Unfiltered ricepodcast dot com, and I'm better known as the 88 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:41.160 ex Mormon Girl Helliah. 89 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:42.959 Nice to meet you, Greg, Thank you. 90 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:46.920 Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. And finally, last, 91 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:49.680 but not least, the man of the hour. I'm sure 92 00:04:49.720 --> 00:04:53.399 everybody knows who he is. He's a the og for 93 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.000 twenty friendly conspiracy theorist. We're on the streets. He smoked 94 00:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.600 blunts with Bigfoot, and he's ripped bong hits a bohemia. 95 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.800 We got Greg Callwood from the Higher Side Chats up 96 00:05:03.800 --> 00:05:07.040 in here today. Greg, please let everybody know what the 97 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:11.079 hell is up and what's going on. Hey, thank you 98 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:11.839 for having me. 99 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:14.959 No pressure, right, I mean, I really am just a 100 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:19.480 regular guy and have a regular guy's level of knowledge. 101 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.720 You guys all probably know a lot more about the 102 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:24.000 occult than me, but people know me because I got 103 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:27.399 in there first. I've been doing the podcast for fifteen years. 104 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:30.279 The Higher Side Chats dot com is the place to go, 105 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.800 and it really is all the great guests I've had 106 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:35.959 over the years that make the show what it is. 107 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:40.319 I'm just a guy asking some questions and some of 108 00:05:40.360 --> 00:05:42.920 it sticks, but a lot of times it's like preparing 109 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.600 for a book report. You cram, you do the thing, 110 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.759 and then you're like, all right, that's done. But after 111 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:52.240 fifteen years, hopefully I remember some things and have some 112 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:55.160 interesting things to bring up, but pleasure to meet everybody. 113 00:05:55.480 --> 00:05:57.959 Yeah, no, thank you very much. I totally understand what 114 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:00.439 you're saying about forgetting stuff because like between everybody, I 115 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:02.000 work with you, but like, don't you remember when we 116 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.079 talked about so and so, And I'm like, no, sorry, 117 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:06.360 I don't. That was three weeks ago. I don't remember. 118 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:08.439 There's so many there was ten other shows in there 119 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:10.879 that I remember, you know, partial stuff I just forgot. 120 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.319 But as it all does lead together, Yeah, I'm glad 121 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.800 I'm not the only one. Thank you, so Greg. I figured. 122 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.360 I mean, besides that, there's you know, nine other people here. 123 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:23.920 Everybody's got questions. But I did think maybe kind of 124 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.959 just set it off. As you know, again you've been 125 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:28.959 around for a while, you do touch on the occult 126 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:31.720 besides other things. I guess just kind of wanted to know, 127 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:33.920 like you know, your experience and the occult with the 128 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:38.879 journey through your podcast, maybe things that opened up your thinking, 129 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.319 things that surprised you. I don't know, people that impacted 130 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:43.680 you go to a bad and it doesn't you know, 131 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:46.199 have to necessarily be putting the person down. I say bad. 132 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:48.959 It just you know, stuff like that and just really 133 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:51.959 free flowing. But I guess maybe just started off like, well, 134 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.680 first off, what even got you into starting the highest 135 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:55.279 side of chats? 136 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:01.600 Well, I was always kind of anti authoritarian and into 137 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.040 conspiracies and even things like the Lockness monster in Bigfoot 138 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.600 and UFOs that gets you going when you're young. I 139 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:11.160 liked punk music, so I also kind of grew up 140 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:15.439 in a repressive Catholic school environment in the Midwest, so 141 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:22.360 religiosity was definitely there. Obviously it's an anti occult environment, 142 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:25.519 but it's still in the mix. And I tried on 143 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.639 atheism for a long time, and it was just like, 144 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:29.600 you know what if I think this is bullshit, if 145 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:31.240 I think that it's wrapped up in a lot of 146 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.639 nasty stuff with the Vatican and all this, well, you know, 147 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:36.800 if I don't trust these people, maybe the whole thing 148 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.879 is bullshit. And I think a lot of people eventually 149 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.560 come out of that. Again, if you go through it, 150 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:46.639 it's more about the environment you're in. It's more about 151 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:51.920 the indoctrination of traditional, almost corporatized religion. And you don't 152 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:53.839 have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. And 153 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.079 I had to remind myself that little things happened when 154 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.680 I was young that blew the doors off materialism, and 155 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.800 I was conveniently ignoring some of those things. Like one 156 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:08.639 of the craziest was when I was in about the 157 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:12.279 preschool age. I didn't This kind of makes my parents 158 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.560 look bad, but I did not wear my seat belt much. 159 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:17.079 There were not car seats at least at this age, 160 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:20.079 even though now I see people putting kids in car 161 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:23.839 seats for a long time. But regardless, I was on 162 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:27.199 my way to something with my mom and I had 163 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.160 this inner voice say put your seat belt on, and 164 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:34.639 it was incredibly aggressive, and for some reason I listened, 165 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:36.440 and we were in a car accident. My mom got 166 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:41.120 t boned like five minutes later, And I would never 167 00:08:41.159 --> 00:08:45.120 forget that that was the reason why I didn't find 168 00:08:45.120 --> 00:08:47.120 it and why I wasn't even being asked to do it. 169 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.799 And I think my parents just got sick of how 170 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.240 stubborn I was. And in this particular instance, this inner 171 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:57.120 voice was so loud. I was like, that was definitely intuition, 172 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:01.879 some guardian ange type thing. I don't know if that's 173 00:09:01.919 --> 00:09:04.480 the higher self, whatever it is, but I think a 174 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:10.039 lot of us have telephone telepathy or we see something strange. Yeah, 175 00:09:10.080 --> 00:09:12.240 it's often in those early years, and then we might 176 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:13.639 put it away and be like, well, I'm not going 177 00:09:13.679 --> 00:09:16.720 to hinge my entire worldview on the five seconds which 178 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:19.639 I saw something that defied reality. Maybe I was mistaken 179 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:24.279 back then, but I swung back obviously I was into conspiracy, 180 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.399 and it's very adjacent. I always liked the David Ike 181 00:09:28.480 --> 00:09:33.000 flavor of conspiracy more than the Alex Jones angry Patriot 182 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:35.720 Texas thing. That didn't really resonate with me, maybe because 183 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:38.600 it was too close to home the way I grew up, 184 00:09:39.039 --> 00:09:41.440 and I mean, my parents were very normal, which allowed 185 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:44.360 me to be normal too. But outside of the confines 186 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:49.080 of my home in the Midwest, in rural Missouri, Arnold, Missouri, 187 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:50.960 you see a lot of stuff the parents of the 188 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.679 kids are going to school with, you know, And I 189 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:56.679 think that's great because some people were way more of 190 00:09:56.720 --> 00:09:58.799 the mindset that they were drinking the kool aid and 191 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.840 still do and all always have people I still like. 192 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.919 But they didn't try on any other hats because in 193 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:08.759 their house it wasn't tampered down at all. It was 194 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:11.919 still like as intense as it was at school. So, 195 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.279 you know, whatever. But I think if you go into 196 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:20.799 conspiracy long enough. It definitely crosses over into occult area 197 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:24.000 as you start looking at symbolism. I saw an early 198 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.639 documentary on marketing and just subliminal messages in marketing, and 199 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:32.639 then that gets adjacent to magic. And it was guests 200 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:36.679 like Gordon White who kind of recontextualized the sie effects 201 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:40.799 and the telephone telepathy type of thing and said, no, 202 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:44.440 that is magic. That is a product of a magical universe. 203 00:10:45.080 --> 00:10:47.919 And I think it's kind of a changing of the 204 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.399 definition that made me feel like the world is more magical. 205 00:10:51.559 --> 00:10:54.360 And you know, the rest is kind of history. 206 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:58.799 It's interesting, kind of I guess we should a little 207 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:01.399 bit of the same situation where it went from uh, 208 00:11:02.480 --> 00:11:06.720 you know, kind of Catholicism Catholic into thinking there's something 209 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.000 wrong with the church because of the conspiracies, and then 210 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.399 I become an atheist. And then about five years later 211 00:11:12.399 --> 00:11:13.480 I found myself in the OTO. 212 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:17.720 Did not go that, No, you know I did. But 213 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:20.759 is next magic really the big secret at the end 214 00:11:20.799 --> 00:11:21.039 of that. 215 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.120 For me my magical experience, yea, I think I was 216 00:11:25.159 --> 00:11:28.440 given some secrets, yes, so, but not at the OTO. 217 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:30.679 It was not wait oh sorry, did you wait? Stay? 218 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:31.360 What did you say? 219 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:32.919 Oh? 220 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:35.759 No, you know, that's the whole thing and the experiences 221 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.879 that I had. There was no ritual done, no sex, 222 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.399 and all I did was meditate. Did you see the 223 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:43.960 Gnostic Mass? Oh, I've been in the Gnostic Mass plenty 224 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:44.480 of times. 225 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:47.799 Did you see the full apparently the real Gnostic Mass 226 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:48.360 they're banging. 227 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.159 I've never seen anything else besides breasts. 228 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:56.720 Oh yeah, I thought you said, Nick, you saw they 229 00:11:56.759 --> 00:11:59.080 always picked the big fat chicks to get up there 230 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:00.919 and take their tops, didn't they. 231 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.679 Well, just from my experience, I mean, listen, I'm not 232 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.279 break and saying I'm God's gift of women, but I 233 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.159 did not want to see any of those women naked anyways, 234 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:09.200 just just keeping it, keeping it real. 235 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:13.519 Mormons don't get naked either, No naked. 236 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.360 I figure out I was going somewhere with this. I forgot, 237 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.120 but oh yeah, yeah, there was there was no sex 238 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.159 my I I again, I mean I was only there 239 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:22.000 for five or six years. Only went up a few degrees. 240 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:25.159 You have to go past the fourth like if the 241 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:27.480 fourth you get shoulder taped to go pasted. So you know, 242 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:29.039 maybe when you hit the fifth that's when all the 243 00:12:29.039 --> 00:12:32.000 weird shit happens. I don't know, so but that's yeah, 244 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:35.600 my experience. But yeah, I kind of had the same thing, 245 00:12:35.679 --> 00:12:38.039 and like you said, did David Ike. I was much 246 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:41.759 more into David Ike, Jordan Maxwell, Michael Tassarian. So like 247 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:44.799 when I first started getting into all those people, there 248 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:46.600 was nothing. I mean, I didn't have a choice. Really, 249 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:49.639 I was gonna hear about ocultism. 250 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:52.679 And then you know, oh, I was just gonna say. Also, 251 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.279 astrology is one of those early things that I just 252 00:12:56.159 --> 00:13:01.200 couldn't really dismiss the results of. And the typical excuse 253 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.159 that everything's just so broad and vague that you can 254 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:07.919 apply it to yourself that didn't really resonate, and that 255 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:10.399 was just another thing that's like, well, if this is true, 256 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:13.840 then I have to change my worldview about what reality is. 257 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:19.600 Synchro Mysticism too, another area where conspiracy and symbolism crossover, 258 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:23.759 and your entry level thought is that, well, maybe this 259 00:13:23.799 --> 00:13:29.919 stuff is just seeded into films by the people who 260 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:32.720 are you know, the cast and crew. But some of 261 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:36.120 it defies logic in that regard too, and then you're like, man, 262 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.399 something metaphysical seems to be going on. And then maybe 263 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:44.120 you start thinking about consciousness and big events that well 264 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.240 up a lot of conscious energy, and then maybe it 265 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.679 manifests through like a muse like way where someone has 266 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:53.279 to write something in a film and they're like, well, 267 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.159 I'm gonna put it as nine to eleven. Well why 268 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:58.200 did you pick nine to eleven? Maybe it wasn't absolutely conscious, 269 00:13:58.240 --> 00:14:00.840 but there's just some deep echo in the back of 270 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:04.799 your subconsciousness, like this is an important date, so put 271 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.799 it on Neo's passport. Who knows. But there's something mystical 272 00:14:08.840 --> 00:14:11.039 about a lot of that stuff. So those are just 273 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.080 some other components that I just think, if you haven't 274 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:17.080 gotten rid of materialism yet, just look at some of 275 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:19.399 that stuff and try to figure out how it works 276 00:14:19.399 --> 00:14:20.519 in a material universe. 277 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:24.519 I agree with uh, do anybody want to ask you 278 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:25.200 any questions? 279 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:27.679 I do. 280 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:35.519 I don't want to hog at Greg's time or anything. 281 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:38.960 But because you mentioned David Ike, you know he's been 282 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.039 scrutinized to like the max would you are you like 283 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:47.559 a lizard people person? Or are you like where where 284 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.399 do you fall in the lizard spectrum? 285 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:50.519 Well? 286 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:55.200 I think this is David Ike. He He's even clarified 287 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.559 a lot of those comments. So it's hard to separate, 288 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:59.639 especially in a pre Internet world. When I was getting 289 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:03.960 into David Ike. You have the actual person, their actual material, 290 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:08.320 and then the cariature that society reduces it down too. 291 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:11.360 And obviously with David Ike, he was reduced down to 292 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:16.759 the lizard guy. All these elite are literal lizard people 293 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.639 wearing rubber masks, and that's not true. That's again like 294 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.320 the materialist viewpoint of what he's getting at, which I 295 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.679 think if you take the metaphysical spiritual look at what 296 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.840 David Ike says, which he even himself now would say, 297 00:15:32.440 --> 00:15:37.200 it's more like there's a maybe some deep, deep bloodline 298 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:41.360 represented by reptilian symbolism. Why is the reptilian symbolism there? 299 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:43.960 Does it go all the way back to literal reptiles 300 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:46.639 or has it always been symbolic. Mario is probably the 301 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:49.720 guy to answer more of these questions, but I don't 302 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:53.080 I think that that's the literalization of what he's trying 303 00:15:53.120 --> 00:15:55.879 to say, which is something more metaphysical. A lot of people, 304 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:58.840 when they have a spiritual experience with something they think 305 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.000 is alien, reptile, else come up all the time. I 306 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.080 don't think they saw Hillary Clinton as an iguana in 307 00:16:05.200 --> 00:16:08.200 their living room, but they saw something on the astroplane 308 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:12.120 represented as a reptilian energy. 309 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.200 Like a serpentine like energy. 310 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:17.639 Yeah, and so I think there might be, if you 311 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:20.240 go back far enough, a physicality to that somewhat. But 312 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:24.159 I kind of think like ufology was trying to find 313 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:30.000 itself in a material worldview initially. So what are these things? 314 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.639 They must be humanoid creatures from another physical planet because 315 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:39.120 they're not able to rope in the spiritual layer of reality. 316 00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:42.240 They can't have an explanation that changes that worldview, that 317 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:46.200 fundamental worldview that everything's physical, Big Bang and everything. So 318 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.120 if you're not going to have a spiritual layer to 319 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:53.159 your reality, you get weird conclusions. And I think that's 320 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:55.080 what the David Ike thing is is. I think he's 321 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:59.080 very metaphysical and he's trying to explain things in a 322 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:02.639 way that makes sense. He says reptilian and people literalize 323 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:06.480 it and say, oh, well, he means she's Hillary Clinton's 324 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:09.319 wearing a rubber mask, and it's like that's a little silly. 325 00:17:09.359 --> 00:17:13.279 But is she attached to a spiritual arconic presence that 326 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:16.359 is maybe riding her and even possessing her to a degree, 327 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:19.720 because it recognizes power and it is a reptilian energy. 328 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:24.200 I think that's probably possible, probably even likely. 329 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:29.079 Or like some kind of bloodline thing almost yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm. 330 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:33.119 Wondering that's a literalization too. But they definitely care about bloodlines. 331 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.240 The e Lader obsessed with that, so you have to 332 00:17:36.279 --> 00:17:40.079 reverse engineer. If they care, then it's something important And 333 00:17:40.279 --> 00:17:43.279 what is it. Well, there's this, there's all the Steiner stuff. 334 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.519 When Steiner talks about blood, I'm like, that is your 335 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.160 spiritual essence. So maybe it's splitting hairs talking about a 336 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:53.119 reptilian blood line and a reptilian spiritual energy attachment. It's 337 00:17:53.200 --> 00:17:56.759 probably maybe that's how it's connected in through the blood. 338 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.640 And the nakash. I think it's connected back to the 339 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.160 guard like you know, there you go. 340 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.519 Like I said, you guys know more than I do 341 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:07.279 about a lot of this stuff. But these are the 342 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.880 conclusions when i've you know, after fifteen years of asking guests, 343 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:13.759 some things resonate and some don't. Some things you hear 344 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:19.000 more often than others. And you know, that's basically my 345 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:23.319 broad viewpoint on how reptilians can exist and probably do 346 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:28.599 if I may. 347 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:32.720 Greg, So you've said many times of what you heard 348 00:18:32.759 --> 00:18:35.559 from people my question is directly to you and not 349 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:39.240 to those people, to your personal experience. So, after all 350 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.559 you've learned of the experience you accumulated, transforming that knowledge 351 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.880 into some form of wisdom, how do you see reality, 352 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:50.559 how do you conceive it to be today, and how 353 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.880 it relates to consciousness and existence in itself. 354 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:02.559 Well, I think I settle on the Soul school hypothesis 355 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:06.279 that we come here to have physical experiences where fractals 356 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:09.160 of the Godhead, and we take that experience back to 357 00:19:09.279 --> 00:19:13.319 the central supreme consciousness and fold it in. And I 358 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:19.119 don't know why. There's a lot of explanations, like the 359 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:23.559 basic one is that consciousness existed made a physical container 360 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:27.039 for itself and that is only enjoyable to play through 361 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.799 if you come in with no memory that you're God. 362 00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:32.759 And I think that checks out. That kind of makes sense. 363 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.759 And if you push on the reality we have, then 364 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:38.359 you can quickly find out it goes deeper. But you 365 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:40.319 can go your whole life without pushing on it at 366 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.359 all and just live a straight experience, you know, a 367 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:47.759 straightforward physical reality experience, which is probably what it was 368 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:52.200 somewhat designed to do. But I think it's a realm 369 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:54.559 of experience, which is what I think is really sad 370 00:19:54.599 --> 00:19:59.119 when so many other people I know don't fully dive in, 371 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:02.200 you know, And that's where the conspiracy comes in, is 372 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.799 I think so much of it is about capturing our 373 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:10.440 attention and wasting our time. Like just jobs obviously number 374 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:14.279 one thing to say that eight hours a day you're 375 00:20:14.319 --> 00:20:16.440 going to sleep, eight hours a day are going to 376 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:18.680 work for us, and then you get the other eight hours. 377 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:22.000 But some of it's traffic. Then you're gonna have to eat, 378 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.480 you're gonna have to get ready for work, and shower 379 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.279 and all this stuff. It really starts to get whittled 380 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.359 away to Okay, I guess they have two hours in 381 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.480 the evening to watch a fucking Netflix show and that's it. 382 00:20:32.079 --> 00:20:34.759 And so I think a lot of it is wasting 383 00:20:34.799 --> 00:20:38.720 people's time and keeping them from engaging in the experience. 384 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.359 I don't know what the elite are exactly, if they 385 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:45.079 hate God or if they're falling angels or something of 386 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:48.359 that realm, or they just want to corrupt the experience 387 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.839 as much as they can, so they do genetic tinkering 388 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:52.920 and all this other stuff. But it seems like they're 389 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.519 very spiteful of experience. Itself, and so I think that 390 00:20:56.680 --> 00:21:00.319 they have tiers of ways they attack it. One of 391 00:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.559 them is just like, have all these people waste their 392 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:08.759 time in a numb state of baseline consciousness, never explore anything, 393 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:14.200 snuff out their curiosity, and just neutralize what this thing 394 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:18.119 is designed to do. And they do a pretty damn 395 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:19.960 good job of that. I think we all know people 396 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.160 who barely ever get off the couch outside of going 397 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.839 to work and coming home in the evening. So I 398 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.920 like the Sole school idea that it is a realm 399 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.559 of experience and hopefully learning and hopefully progress. I don't 400 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:35.519 necessarily have evidence of that part, but it just seems 401 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:36.720 like why do it otherwise? 402 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.880 That is so true. That is literally so true. 403 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.880 I almost feel like before I started podcasting full time 404 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:48.119 that I was like clinically depressed. 405 00:21:48.160 --> 00:21:49.640 I was working like twelve hour. 406 00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.440 Shifts at a hospital and I would come home and 407 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:58.000 just like zone out, almost, And it's the system is 408 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:00.079 like set up to where you're just a cog in 409 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.279 a machine, and that's how you feel. 410 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:03.559 Literally, I mean, that's so. 411 00:22:03.599 --> 00:22:06.799 True, especially the medical system, the way that they have 412 00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:11.039 people working those shifts. That's not necessary. There's definitely got 413 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.960 to be a better way, but it is more closely 414 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:17.519 to how you would structure psychological torture. So I think 415 00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:21.119 that the conspiracy comes in with the medical stuff, where 416 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:23.599 they don't want anybody to wake up. They don't want 417 00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:25.799 the people working in the trenches to even have time 418 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:28.240 to think about what they're doing. Just go, go, go, 419 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.880 here's the book. This is what we do in this instance, 420 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.640 and don't think about it. There is no variance. Take 421 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:35.680 your orders from on high. We saw what that did 422 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:39.319 a couple of years ago. But yeah, the medical one 423 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.640 in particular is interesting. Another realm where they don't acknowledge 424 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.200 the spiritual at all, and there's all these new emerging 425 00:22:46.480 --> 00:22:51.279 health systems where they're looking at your emotional state. Have 426 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.960 you buried some kind of emotional trauma in you that 427 00:22:54.079 --> 00:22:57.279 manifests this cancer later? Like you can't just cut and 428 00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:01.759 burn and poison everything out of a human body. So yeah, 429 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:06.720 that's I empathize with being in that realm. I work 430 00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:08.160 at a psych hospital. 431 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.440 They make us do twelve to thirteen hours and then 432 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:14.240 they turn around and tell us don't have any personal 433 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:17.000 connection with anyone. Don't don't try and relate to these 434 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.920 people that are here for dragging alcohol abuse, and don't 435 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:21.920 try and help them or hug them or touch them 436 00:23:22.039 --> 00:23:25.720 or do any of the things that might actually help them, because. 437 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:26.960 Like don't be their friend. 438 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:30.799 God forbid, you'd be a nice sweet person to someone 439 00:23:30.880 --> 00:23:32.160 who's mentally fucked. 440 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.559 Like come on, and. 441 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:38.200 You know, Heidi this with you working there too, I 442 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:41.960 feel like you can agree with this because I, like 443 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:44.319 you said, I worked like twelve hours shows too. You 444 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:48.200 don't really get Sunday off either, because all day Saturday 445 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:48.960 you're doing whatever. 446 00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:52.200 All day Sunday, you're just dreading going back on Monday. 447 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:56.720 So it's like literally a never ending loop of just 448 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:59.680 like why the fuck am I doing this? Why the 449 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.000 fuck am I doing this? And I mean, I'm so 450 00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:05.960 glad that I'm out of that. But for all those 451 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.000 who are listening right now that are stuck in it, 452 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:11.119 trusts me, the way that you feel is the. 453 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:13.000 Way you're supposed to feel about it. I mean, it 454 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:15.000 sucks something. 455 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:18.519 Yeah, Oh sorry, go ahead, Sorry, I was just gonna say. 456 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.599 Julia mentioned depression, and I definitely think depression is a 457 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:26.480 natural reaction to something that you're not doing in accordance 458 00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:31.599 with your true will yest. Me and my wife had 459 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:34.240 a real tough my now wife. You know, then it 460 00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:36.599 was early she could have got out, but in the 461 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:40.160 beginning she was like, you know, I have real concerns 462 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.000 if we're gonna get raw, and honest, I have real 463 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:45.799 concerns that you're never going to be happy unless this 464 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.480 big hail Mary thing you threw, unless that works. And 465 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:52.839 I was like, well, you're probably right, so let's hope 466 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.839 it works, because you can't tell me to just change 467 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.599 my attitude, just flip my attitude about this thing that 468 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.839 is so locking up so much mental energy and physical time. 469 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.680 As a store manager of game stop, yeah you got 470 00:25:05.680 --> 00:25:08.920 the it's basically fifty hours a week plus travel time. 471 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:12.519 Then you have people who are paid such a low wage. 472 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.200 They're all incompetent. You only have your choice of incompetent 473 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.720 people to put in your store, so they're constantly calling 474 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.119 you when you're off the clock too. It's miserable. You're 475 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.400 making thirty five grand a year to run a two 476 00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:28.279 million dollar store. Your salary, the salary of the boss 477 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:30.799 of the whole store is a small little line item. 478 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:33.440 It's like not less than the tax is paid, probably, 479 00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:37.680 And yeah, sorry, I am going to be miserable if 480 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.839 I'm stuck in this because I can't just pretend that 481 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.200 it's a good life when I'm going to call to 482 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.519 sack to nowhere in the retail ecosystem, Luckily it works. 483 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:51.640 Yeah, hours a week and you're still eating taco bell 484 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.319 and wondering how the fuck you're gonna make it to 485 00:25:54.359 --> 00:25:57.599 the next paycheck. Like, think about that, it's such a 486 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:01.640 slave system for real. Yeah, time to shit in shower 487 00:26:01.759 --> 00:26:04.319 and go right the fuck back the next day, and 488 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:08.599 like it just I don't know, it's horrendous. 489 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:10.920 But then I also think about, like if it is 490 00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.759 a soul school, if reality is set up this way, 491 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.079 like we really just in that dark city sense. We 492 00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:18.839 don't truly have a concept of anything that came before 493 00:26:18.920 --> 00:26:21.160 us or anything after. We're kind of the center of 494 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.920 our experience. There's a story out there of what might 495 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:27.640 have occurred before and all this, but you're really kind 496 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:32.319 of just in the experience. And if that's true, maybe 497 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.920 it is designed to kind of let these people. And 498 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:37.519 that's been a thing that there was a thing called 499 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:39.599 the Hidden Hand material It was on a form road. 500 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:40.599 I remember that. 501 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.039 Oh my god, God, any questions you want, and I'll 502 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:46.519 tell you, and they, basically as psychologists for the elite, 503 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:49.759 were like, these people actually made a sacrifice to play 504 00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:52.480 the role of the bad guy in this system, because 505 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.799 to have a good story, there must be a villain. 506 00:26:55.319 --> 00:26:59.279 And part of that is you need to push through 507 00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:02.440 the difficult and push through the depression and rise above 508 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:05.880 it and change the circumstance. That is the nagging thing, 509 00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.079 you know, the stick in the rib cage. It's like, hey, 510 00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:12.759 come on, do something, move move. And so I almost 511 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:15.400 have learned now that I'm on the other side of 512 00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:17.279 it and it doesn't affect me anymore. I've learned to 513 00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:21.079 appreciate that stage of life and going through that, because 514 00:27:21.440 --> 00:27:24.200 otherwise I would not have been motivated enough to do 515 00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.559 what I do now. And maybe this is my true will, 516 00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:31.240 to just at least create a stage for important voices 517 00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:32.799 and then put them up for the people, and I 518 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:34.720 don't have to do much more than that. Then raise 519 00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:37.359 the curtain and turn the lights on. Maybe that is 520 00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.519 my role. I'm comfortable with it compared to other possible roles. 521 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.119 But maybe I just don't hate it as much as 522 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:45.559 I used to when I was stuck in it. I 523 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.440 now appreciate the process of taking a person up to 524 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.559 a higher level experience. So if you're in your twenties 525 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:55.400 and you're kind of miserable, I think that's what the 526 00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:59.000 twenties are for, is letting that feeling fuel something better 527 00:27:59.079 --> 00:27:59.960 into your thirties. 528 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:03.759 I know with mine, I choose to be where I am, 529 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.880 and it's all about trying to focus on the people 530 00:28:09.039 --> 00:28:11.799 there to try and actually help them because my brother 531 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.319 did pass of a drug overdose, and so that's why 532 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:17.680 I chose to work there, because I thought, well, if 533 00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.400 I can give something back to these people, and I 534 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.799 am constantly breaking the rules, so it doesn't matter anyway. 535 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:27.240 Like you said, you can change your you can change 536 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:31.039 your way about it, you know, be human, like give 537 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:32.799 them humanity. 538 00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:36.079 Yeah, real quick, there's a few things I wanted to say, 539 00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:38.079 and then I do want to toggle in Robbie Marx 540 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.000 because we can't have more than ten people, and we 541 00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.160 do have another cult reaject here. We just couldn't fit 542 00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.200 them in. There was a couple of things I wanted 543 00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.200 to say. Those stuff that you said, one doing your will, 544 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:52.000 I totally agree with that. I honestly think if it 545 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:54.359 may be hard at times what you're doing, but if 546 00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.640 you love what you're doing. I think you're doing your 547 00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:59.079 will again. It may be hard at times, but you're 548 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.200 still going to love what you're doing. I totally agree. 549 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.119 And and when you had said something I think about, 550 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:06.480 I guess kind of like your idea, I guess of 551 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.400 the reality you really you nailed it on the head. 552 00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:10.759 It's like kind of the same thing that I've been 553 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:12.480 trying to say. You just made it sound so much better. 554 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:14.599 I guess maybe as an Italian I like to use 555 00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:17.440 the spaghetti strainer. But like I always say that, I 556 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.359 consider like you take a light bulb on the ceiling 557 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.160 and you're like, you throw the spaghetti strainer over, and 558 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:22.799 then all those little pin dots or all of us 559 00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:24.960 having a separate experience from that one of which I 560 00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.240 saw us. I like, yeah, yeah, so I do think 561 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.880 and due to this, we're supposed to rise back up 562 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.119 that light with the with the experience that we've had 563 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.319 here and bring it back and maybe possibly come back 564 00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.240 with knowledge, you know whatever. That's getting a little bit deeper, 565 00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:42.880 but still it is very very well said. So I identify, 566 00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.720 you know, kind of identified with what you were getting at. 567 00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.039 And I was like, wow, I like the way he 568 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.079 said that, but yeah, we're gonna oh and then the 569 00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.279 whole thing with David Ike too. I totally agree, and 570 00:29:52.319 --> 00:29:54.359 I think I was so happy that you guys were 571 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:56.720 saying that. I do think David Ike, as silly as 572 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:58.960 it sounds when he's talking about the reptilians from my 573 00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:02.880 experience due to having magical experiences, I do just me. 574 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:04.880 I do believe I have crossed the Abyss and had 575 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.039 that experience. I totally get what David Ike's saying. If 576 00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:10.000 I want to look at it in a gnostic occult sense, 577 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:14.160 He's saying the same thing. These people, reptilians are just 578 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.279 people that are able to cross the Abyss and come back, 579 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.119 and those are the people ruling the world. I agree 580 00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:22.039 with that, So I do. I do see it that way. 581 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:23.839 I just think he it's a little bit harder to 582 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:26.000 come out and maybe say that and still be popular, 583 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:27.880 So maybe he, you know, tries to do it in 584 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.000 a different way. I don't know, But I totally also think. 585 00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:32.880 There's a big difference between how he started doing it 586 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:34.480 and how he does it today. I mean, he wrote 587 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.880 a book called The Trap recently, which I think it's 588 00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:40.200 like six hundred pages. Basically everything I said would be 589 00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:44.400 contained within that same framework. So I think I think 590 00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.079 his opinion and position has evolved as well. 591 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:50.200 All right, Robbie Marks, we got you in so sorry 592 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:50.880 about that, sir. 593 00:30:51.759 --> 00:30:55.240 No, no worries at all. Yeah, Hey, Greg Carwood, how 594 00:30:55.279 --> 00:31:01.599 you doing? As I'm an artist, I do art illustrations, 595 00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:04.920 I do a lot of festival band type merch stuff 596 00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:07.880 like that. I've been an independent artist for going on 597 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.680 thirty five years. And you know, when when we talk 598 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:16.920 about this system of people just you know, as cogs 599 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:19.839 in the machine, and they come home and they you know, 600 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:22.400 they don't have any time for anything else, especially any 601 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.759 kind of intellectual research. Me personally, being outside of the 602 00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.640 system and just doing nothing but research for the last 603 00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:36.400 thirty five years, you almost in a certain way alienate 604 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.279 yourself from a certain subset of people. But at the 605 00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:44.519 same time, you have this creative motion of function where 606 00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:50.200 you're constantly producing and making output, and and there's good 607 00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.839 years and there's bad years, and you kind of sail 608 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:57.119 through this sea over all this time. Do you find 609 00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:02.519 yourself constantly trying to reinvent yourself or are you happy 610 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:08.200 with a general production level where you're at now? You know, 611 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.519 what I mean, there's this constant struggle with you know. 612 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.400 It's like sometimes, you know, after thirty five years of this, 613 00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.319 I say, you know, I want to run away and 614 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.160 join the office because I work twenty four hours a day, 615 00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:22.000 seven days a week. I'm always on call. It's just, 616 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:25.400 you know, it's a whole different lifestyle. But your work 617 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:26.359 becomes your life. 618 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:26.799 Basically. 619 00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:30.039 Yeah, brass is always greener, as they say, but as 620 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:32.519 they say this, yeah, I kind of agree with that. 621 00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:35.440 When I was in Armenia with Graham Hancock on this 622 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.880 research tour, my website went down and I was in 623 00:32:39.039 --> 00:32:42.599 Armenia with no signal and people are like, your website's 624 00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:44.839 just completely not there. And I didn't have people at 625 00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:47.160 that time to help. So I'm like, Okay, my flight's 626 00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.920 in six days. I guess I'll just hate the rest 627 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.680 of this trip until i can get back home. And 628 00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.319 you know, that stuff happens. Your website is your store 629 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:58.039 and you're the manager and you got to make sure 630 00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.039 it's always open. But yeah, in terms of evolution, it's 631 00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.200 funny because I am of two minds. Like I've said, 632 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.920 it's a refinement process. Yes, I think I got better 633 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.000 over time by learning on the air in real time 634 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:14.480 as I had to go. It started as a comedy 635 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.680 podcast where I wanted to talk to a group of 636 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.720 comedians about conspiratorial topics. I quickly learned some of them 637 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:24.559 are just here to get airtime and they don't care 638 00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.240 about these subjects at all, and the other ones are 639 00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.440 more focused on making jokes. This isn't exactly what I wanted. 640 00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.400 It's not getting deep in any kind of regard. But 641 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:38.359 I was going through like Ari Shaffer, Joey Diaz for 642 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.359 people who listen to comedy podcasts like that's who my 643 00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.799 early interviews were. And then I did Markel Tassari on 644 00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.759 I was like, Okay, this is way closer to what 645 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.480 I would want to listen to. So it is a 646 00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:54.440 refinement process. Some people would close down shop and open 647 00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.400 up under a new brand and all this kind of stuff. 648 00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:58.599 That's what people do today because they know how lucrative 649 00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:00.839 podcast is and how it's all got to be like 650 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.680 polished and tight. But I really wasn't like that at 651 00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:06.720 the time. And then I had people send me stuff 652 00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.760 where a couple other shows were like, Hey, this person's 653 00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.000 mimicking your cadence and the way you do intro. So 654 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:17.400 then I actually honed down into an exact process so 655 00:34:17.519 --> 00:34:21.079 that that kind of mimicry would be more recognizable, because 656 00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:23.880 now here's an actual formula that I use, and I'm 657 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.480 comfortable using it, and you know, I just there's so 658 00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:30.840 much vagaries around, like is this person stealing the cadence 659 00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:32.280 of this? You know a lot of people think Danny 660 00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.800 Jones basically took the exact Rogan model and then applied 661 00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:39.559 it to the stuff we're interested in. Sure anyone can 662 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.960 do that. People have been talking to microphones a long time. 663 00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:45.280 No one has a true monopoly on that. But you 664 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.360 don't like to see yourself copied or whatever. So I 665 00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.360 guess I basically to answer the question, yeah, it's been 666 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:55.119 a prod a process of refinement. But also I tried 667 00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.760 to standardize what you expect from my show, Like here's 668 00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:01.400 a polished intro that at the sin within two minutes, 669 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:03.920 there are no ads or no sponsors, We're going right 670 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:06.199 to the meet. I try to use the intro to 671 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.920 get further downfield than just saying, so tell me your 672 00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.760 thoughts on UFOs. It's like, no, that was in the intro. 673 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:13.960 Now I want to know your thoughts you know your 674 00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:16.760 level eleven thoughts on UFOs, You know what about these 675 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.559 things that so I try to use the intro to 676 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:22.559 Really with a show that's broad, you kind of have 677 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:26.440 to prep people, prime them for this topic this time 678 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:30.079 because it does shift. But you caught me right on 679 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.840 the cusp of moving to video. We could call it 680 00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:37.159 THHC TV because I think it falls well. But I'm 681 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.639 still coming like there's kinks to be worked out. But 682 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.039 as of the first of June, it's going to be 683 00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:47.760 a video show. And that is largely due to the market. 684 00:35:47.920 --> 00:35:51.159 Like I see all these shows that have existed for 685 00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.199 half the time where hosts don't even read the work 686 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.960 of the guests like I do, and then they're rocketing 687 00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:01.239 past me. And it's because things and things change, and 688 00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:04.679 I'm being dragged, kicking and screaming into video. I will 689 00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:06.840 get better at it as I go, if I'm kind 690 00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:11.280 of starting over, But it's partly what I want, partly 691 00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.239 what seems to work. So I know growing up watching 692 00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.519 this stuff. I'm forty years old now, which is hard 693 00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:19.679 to believe, but I know a lot of guys I 694 00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.280 watched and they got passed up by podcasting. You know why, 695 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:26.440 wasn't Coast to Coast AM, Why didn't it convert to 696 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:32.559 a podcast? Guys like Jeff Rentz and Alan Watt, like, 697 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.519 there's a lot of conspiracy centric people. Even I love 698 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:39.760 Clyde Lewis, but I might put him in that category. 699 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:42.480 Two people who are like, we're doing radio shows, I 700 00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:45.159 don't care about this podcasting thing, Well, those people have 701 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.559 had a hard time maintaining an audience in this ecosystem. 702 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.960 So I have enough awareness to see that and then see, 703 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.000 like what we're doing here and seeing when I appear 704 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.679 on other shows what it looks like. And I'm like, 705 00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.239 my appearance on another show looks better than my own show. 706 00:36:59.280 --> 00:37:03.960 This can outstand and we must fix it. So I'm 707 00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:06.000 doing it from a studio. I'm trying to do it. 708 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:08.440 I try to do audio at the highest level i'm 709 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.480 capable of. It's not the best show in the world, 710 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.920 but it's the best show I can produce. And I'm 711 00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.519 gonna try to do the same mindset with video, and 712 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:20.400 I will embrace and prepare for any other changes within 713 00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:24.000 this space except pretty much AI. I'm not gonna do 714 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.440 the baby animated thing that people think is fun. 715 00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:27.719 Now. 716 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.519 I think that that when you look at the whole 717 00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:32.559 process as far as you know, you've been doing this 718 00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:36.400 fifteen years now, and just the whole problem. I mean, 719 00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:40.719 it's an expansive process. There's gonna be times of dormancy 720 00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:45.360 and times of growth, and it's a developmental process, like 721 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:48.400 you were saying as far as the refinement. But I find, 722 00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:52.119 even after all these years, the only factor that really 723 00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:55.920 bothers me is just getting old because I'm constantly coming 724 00:37:56.000 --> 00:37:59.559 into the newness and the refinement and you know this 725 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:03.679 just bringing it, trying to take myself essentially, you know, 726 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.639 and I'm sure like you two higher levels of understanding 727 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.480 and you know, creating more beautiful product. 728 00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:14.679 I agree, and AI is a little bit of a 729 00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.360 part of that. What I don't like is people using 730 00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:19.960 AI editing because it's just off putting to me. And 731 00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.840 this whole idea of oh, just turn the person into 732 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:26.679 an animated baby or an animated be a reptilian for 733 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.679 this episode and they can match and sync the lips 734 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.840 up perfectly. But like we don't need to do that. 735 00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:34.800 Like people are people, and it's okay to just look 736 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:38.280 at the person speaking. But yeah, AI tools helped polish it. 737 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:41.039 It's a little bittersweet because when I started, there were 738 00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:44.320 very few tools, so I was willing to learn the 739 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:47.639 available tools and build things into my website, like I 740 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:51.199 built Patreon before Patreon existed, and it's in my website 741 00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:54.719 for just me, and then it came out for everybody 742 00:38:54.760 --> 00:38:56.639 and now everybody has it. So it's nice because I 743 00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:59.480 have Patreon too and some tools I do use, but 744 00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.719 not having those tools is what separated the people who 745 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:05.280 are really going to go the extra mile from those 746 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:08.039 who would get lazy and fall off. So it's made 747 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.159 it easier for everybody else. But I definitely take advantage 748 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:13.880 of some of those tools too, and having kids, it's like, yeah, 749 00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:17.400 anything to make it easier. AI. I'm not at the 750 00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:19.239 point and probably won't get to the point, like I'm 751 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.280 always going to read the book. It's part of my process. 752 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.039 It must happen. But now people who don't want to 753 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.760 read the book can do an AI summary and act 754 00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:29.639 like they know a little bit more and invest just 755 00:39:29.679 --> 00:39:32.079 a third of the time. So that's frustrating for a 756 00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:34.840 person who's actually reading the book. But I don't trust 757 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:38.360 AI to pull out that one line on page eighty 758 00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:41.159 nine that I want to ask about because you know, 759 00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:43.599 you can't trust them to know the AI, to know 760 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.239 what's right. Will it get better, sure, whatever, But what 761 00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.719 I think AI is cool for is like I interviewed 762 00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:52.719 doctor Steven Skinner, who I think most people know, and 763 00:39:53.880 --> 00:40:00.280 he's a scholar of Western esotericism and he's translated lot 764 00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:03.079 of books, and I think that's amazing. When I interviewed him, 765 00:40:03.280 --> 00:40:04.800 it was like the first time I was like, Wow, 766 00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:09.079 there's still all this magical literature, occult literature and all 767 00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.079 these other languages that has not been translated because a 768 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:14.800 lot of times or mistranslated because the people looking at 769 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:17.480 it don't even believe in magic. So you get one 770 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.599 word wrong and it doesn't mean anything. So I do 771 00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:24.079 think AI in that regard is really interesting. Let's put 772 00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:26.920 it all through, let's ask chat at least get us 773 00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:29.199 a starting place. You know, you could take in a 774 00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:32.480 day a bunch of stuff that isn't translated. Anyone could, 775 00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.840 as long as you have access to the initial digitized 776 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.400 file of something, whether it's Latin or whatever, like, play 777 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:40.679 around with it. And we have now got tools where 778 00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:46.480 we can resurrect old rituals or old occult understandings that 779 00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.679 weren't meant for anybody else. Yes, yeah, you can do 780 00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:50.920 it instantly. 781 00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:53.679 I've thought about that because I've gone down to the 782 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.599 binar Key Library that was in Yale, that's over in Yale, 783 00:40:56.599 --> 00:40:59.159 and like I've actually like touched like certain like Heiri 784 00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:02.800 Kouonroth books and you know, like and taking pictures and 785 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:04.559 videos of these things. I'm like, yo, if I could 786 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:09.599 probably get somehow aidol, like maybe like trying to transcribe that. Yeah, 787 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:10.480 pretty impressive. 788 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.800 Now. I did see that they had an AI that 789 00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:19.199 was specifically working on the uh, the Sumerian clay tablets 790 00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.760 to translate, because there's hundreds of thousands of those, so 791 00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:25.039 they're just skinning them in and they have an AI 792 00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.559 to actively translate. So we're gonna have some more you know, 793 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:32.440 epic of Gilgamesh and kind of this library of Ashabonopaul 794 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:35.639 that's gonna proceed to come forth that they didn't even 795 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:38.800 know about in the late eighteen hundreds. As far as America, 796 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:39.840 you know, I. 797 00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:43.880 Would be a little careful with that stuff because you 798 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:49.239 still have an interpretation from academia presenting something on Discovery Channel. 799 00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.039 This is the new understanding. It's barely different than the 800 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.639 old understanding, but now we have it confirmed because AYI 801 00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.800 now that's gonna be happening. But you can do it yourself. 802 00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:01.119 That's what I think is so great. And then you know, 803 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.400 you could read between the lines because I do think 804 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:07.599 some of these programs have a neutrality to them, but 805 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.880 some of them also don't. You ask a lot of 806 00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.880 these programs what happened on nine to eleven? Might well 807 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:17.159 might as well ask Chris Wallace or Anderson Cooper because 808 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:19.519 they will give you their answer. You know, there's a 809 00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.519 consensus answer, that's what it's good for in those kind 810 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.199 of situations, and then there's a you know, a more 811 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.519 alternative answer. But I think with translations that's so mathematical 812 00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.360 in a sense that I do think that you can 813 00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:34.960 trust it to get some things right. But they're going 814 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.280 to try to shut a lot of that down. But yeah, 815 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:42.239 you know you have access to it right now, Nic. 816 00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.320 Real quick, real quick. If you don't just get real quick, 817 00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:48.599 I'm just going to remove Robbie, bring Julia back, and uh, 818 00:42:48.760 --> 00:42:50.599 I think at least did happened to Lisa? Did have 819 00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:52.719 a question real quick too, and then we'll get to 820 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:53.320 somebody else. 821 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:57.480 Yes, I wanted to build upon what everybody has been 822 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.320 saying lately and then what you had said right now, Greg, 823 00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:04.559 and that so over the years you have interviewed like 824 00:43:04.599 --> 00:43:09.639 an enormous amount of alternative researchers, have you noticed any 825 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:15.280 like metapatterns, synchronicities, something that points to a deeper structure 826 00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.880 within this conspiracy ecosystem. 827 00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.280 To use that word that you use itself. 828 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:23.599 And then the second parts of the question is with 829 00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.199 all the fringe thinkers that you have interviewed and in 830 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:32.000 this age of conspiratuality and to distill down even further 831 00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:35.920 these algorithm driven bubbles, do you see like a deliberate 832 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:42.800 hypernormalization or is it all just like ontological paralysis rather 833 00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:44.559 than just plainal censorship. 834 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.480 Oh man, well, some of that speaks to like I 835 00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.440 just did a live event with Gordon White and the 836 00:43:52.480 --> 00:43:56.440 whole subject was the conspiracy can and it was his idea. 837 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.559 But how has the canon changed over time, like you know, 838 00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:03.239 like a film canon or whatever. And it makes you 839 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.360 think a lot of it is just the impact of 840 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:08.039 algorithms and the Internet, like you have to have the 841 00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:12.760 most explosive thing, not the truest thing, and you know, 842 00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:14.440 just to take it from the top. Back in the 843 00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.159 day there was JFK. You can bring it up to 844 00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:19.480 nine to eleven, but a lot of it's the CIA 845 00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:22.840 and the economic hitman type of stuff. Maybe a little 846 00:44:22.840 --> 00:44:27.400 eufology peppered in there, But there's a canon of a 847 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.400 dozen or so events and subjects that people are looking 848 00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.079 at under the microscope, and that's it. You go to 849 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.239 conspiracy con in nineteen ninety five, that's who you're talking to, 850 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:40.960 you know, minus the nine to eleven thing, moon landing. Yeah, 851 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:44.639 I might be included, But now it is all about 852 00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.800 the iceberg and like, what's the craziest idea. It's not 853 00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.880 even about like what is the truth? It's like, what 854 00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.719 is the craziest thought I can have? And then how 855 00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:56.280 can I make that seem like the reality? And that's 856 00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.440 difficult because that's not exactly what I ever really wanted 857 00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:02.400 to do. I thought the truth was kind of crazy enough, 858 00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:05.480 But now we're talking about just all kinds of things 859 00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.920 I never thought would enter the conversation, like people like 860 00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:13.000 our virus is even real? Is the past even real 861 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:16.320 at all? Was there an extra thousand years inserted into 862 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.880 the system? Was there a lost society of amazing architects? 863 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:23.119 Who knew about the ether that have been wiped out 864 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.360 of the history books, and a lot of that can't 865 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.159 exist because the system has been so highly controlled, and 866 00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.679 the further you go back, the more control. A lot 867 00:45:31.679 --> 00:45:35.400 of our history comes from like three guys Scallenger and 868 00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.880 a couple other monks in the Vatican basement, like not 869 00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:42.960 exactly truthful sources. What do I know about Herodonis as 870 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:46.960 a person? You know, like not anything? Did he genuinely 871 00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:49.679 just want to write down everything that happened or was 872 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.239 he working for an empire that wanted him to write 873 00:45:52.239 --> 00:45:55.519 it a certain way? We should probably know because that's 874 00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:57.159 kind of the only source we have for a lot 875 00:45:57.159 --> 00:45:59.760 of things we take for granted. So I understand why 876 00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.199 that exists and we can't play with it a little bit. 877 00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:07.199 But it's a little disappointing that sometimes the people who 878 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:10.840 get attention to the conspiracy sphere today, they're not really 879 00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.920 in it for the truth. They're more pranksters, and they're 880 00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:17.320 more trying They are trying to ontologically shock people, but 881 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.480 it isn't about there being a fundamental truth to what 882 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:24.360 they're saying. In some cases, and not to name names, 883 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:26.840 but it's just something we have to compete with We 884 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:30.679 have to try to be genuine and truth seeking and 885 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:37.239 entertaining and actually explaining some thing to people, but also 886 00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.119 compete with ones who are just trying to be shocking, 887 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:42.719 getting the best thumbnail and all that kind of shit. 888 00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:46.400 I never wanted to get into thumbnails and nonsense like that. 889 00:46:46.559 --> 00:46:49.840 I have one hundred thousand YouTube subscribers and it's just audio. 890 00:46:50.400 --> 00:46:54.079 I mean, that's pretty crazy, and obviously I'm going to 891 00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.760 pivot that, but it's just like now I can't even 892 00:46:57.800 --> 00:47:00.239 get five thousand people to watch a video. I don't 893 00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.280 care that much about YouTube because I don't do ads, 894 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.599 so who cares? As long as people pay for the 895 00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:07.239 extended version of the show, that's what I am in 896 00:47:07.280 --> 00:47:10.880 the business for. But because it's not ad base, that 897 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:13.119 doesn't matter. So I'm not really playing the chase the 898 00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:17.119 algorithm game. And also it's not genuine and I think 899 00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:18.840 that the worst thing I could do is like go 900 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:22.800 in some disingenuous direction. But yeah, that's kind of some 901 00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.400 of the things that I think have changed, and it 902 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:26.800 does make it tougher. 903 00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:32.119 May I ask as a follow up to that, there 904 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:36.800 seems to be like a long time conspiracy theory theory 905 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:41.199 if you will to where if you mention anything related 906 00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:45.880 to something conspiratorial that someone isn't familiar with, let alone 907 00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.920 use that phrase, they try to put you into a box. 908 00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:55.639 And kind of second part is this cultural phenomenon that 909 00:47:55.679 --> 00:48:00.199 now we're dealing with more frequently where there's like a 910 00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:05.039 trigger conspiracy where if you are rightfully angry at your 911 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:09.480 own exploitation and step out of line, people will kind 912 00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:14.800 of put you into that same box as this conspiracy 913 00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.559 theory idea. I just wanted to ask what your experience 914 00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:19.719 has been with that. 915 00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:24.320 Well on the second point, the trigger, yeah, I definitely 916 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.519 think so. Part of that is like the ignorance is 917 00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:28.679 bliss thing. A lot of people don't want to be 918 00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:31.159 confronted with the fact that they might not be happy 919 00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:35.840 living the life they're living. And so you see someone 920 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:37.920 like I have friends like this at the time, they 921 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.480 were working store manager jobs and they are happy or 922 00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:43.519 they seem happy, and I'm the one who's not. You 923 00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:45.360 don't always want to be around that. You don't want 924 00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:47.960 to be reminded that we're all getting to be thirty 925 00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:50.199 years old and we all run million dollar stores and 926 00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:52.480 none of us can own a home. Guys. You know, 927 00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:54.280 that's the kind of stuff I would say at these 928 00:48:54.719 --> 00:48:57.559 regional meetings with other managers and like, stop drinking the 929 00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.360 kool aid so much. If we're here next next year, 930 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.440 we all fucked up, guys, this is the year to 931 00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:04.800 get out of this. That's the kind of shit I 932 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.079 would say. And some people were like, I like this guy, 933 00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:09.880 and other people really didn't want to be reminded that 934 00:49:09.920 --> 00:49:12.559 they shouldn't be happy in the situation they are because 935 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:16.880 changing it is so hard. That's why. It's because you 936 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.119 have a five percent chance of probably making it and 937 00:49:20.119 --> 00:49:23.920 getting out because the system is crafted that way. So yeah, 938 00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:27.039 people don't like that. But also the triggering kind of 939 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.679 conspiracy thing makes me think of the archetype they would 940 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:33.280 present to us in movies and TV, where it's like 941 00:49:33.320 --> 00:49:37.639 you're a paranoid, schizophrenic, crazy person, and that kind of 942 00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:41.760 enforces the idea, don't look at this stuff, just leave 943 00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.679 it alone. Live your nice, comfortable, regular life where you 944 00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:48.320 have your brain intact. Because look at this guy. He 945 00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:50.199 went down a few two rabbit holes. Now he's going 946 00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:52.239 to the padded room on the funny farm. You know, 947 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.239 those are the terms they would use, so even I 948 00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:57.639 think about the poster for I never even saw the 949 00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:59.719 movie The Number twenty three with Jim Carrey, but I 950 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.760 didn't really have to see it. You just know from 951 00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:06.440 the marketing what's about noticing patterns and then spinning off 952 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.440 into crazy land, So like, don't notice patterns, guys, just 953 00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.199 stop trying to do that. So yeah, I think that 954 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:16.480 it's partly the archetype they showed people to keep them 955 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.880 from going down those rabbit holes. But then it's also 956 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:22.079 people are willing to accept that archetype because they want 957 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.400 to believe that that's not going to serve them better. 958 00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:26.760 And that's kind of when I started the show. I 959 00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:28.400 was like, well, if we're going to get a more 960 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:30.599 accurate worldview out of all this, if we're going to 961 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.960 get a better roadmap for how things actually work, then 962 00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.079 it should improve your life in some way. I'm not 963 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.519 saying we're going to change the system. This, this has been 964 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:41.840 going a long time. Empire is going to do what 965 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.440 empire does. But how can you reorient yourself? How can 966 00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.519 you let it not affect you as much? Maybe you 967 00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:50.880 can dodge this bullet, but you get hit by these two. 968 00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.360 There's so many things going on, like if you can 969 00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:56.239 just dodge some of the big stuff or know what 970 00:50:56.320 --> 00:50:58.880 you want, then you can start to get there. Know 971 00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:00.719 that you don't want to waste time on the couch 972 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.480 at night. It's not fulfilling to you. The job isn't fulfilling. 973 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:07.679 You have to generate those earlier feelings that we talked 974 00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.880 about that something must change to then change it. So, 975 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.519 but it's scary. It's just scary to even confront that 976 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:16.320 possibility that you have to take your life in your 977 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:18.960 own hands, because you just what if it doesn't work out? 978 00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:21.400 You know, I'd rather be at least safe here at 979 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.920 home and unhappy than homeless or something like that, because 980 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.960 you just you imagine yourself being just as unhappy, but 981 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:32.400 with less stuff too. It's like, well that's worse, I 982 00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.639 guess so. And the first thing you were talking about 983 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.719 being put in the box and using certain terms, it's like, 984 00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.800 are you talking about like if you even think that 985 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:43.280 we should do safety tests, then you're an anti vaxxer, 986 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.840 Like there are those boxes that people get put into 987 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.400 flat Earth. There's another one. If you think that there's 988 00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:52.400 just something up with the way NASA is presenting the 989 00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:55.119 larger system we have this blue marble picture from the 990 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.840 nineteen seventies. They said, is a picture of Earth, but 991 00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:00.480 then they said it's not. It's a composite and Earth's 992 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.760 an oblate spiroid. But I've never seen an oblate s 993 00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.159 spioid picture of the Earth. It's like, what is going 994 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.639 on there? Just because you have some questions about how 995 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:12.679 things are presented doesn't mean you're a flat earther. But yeah, 996 00:52:12.679 --> 00:52:17.000 this is the tendency. That's the way the mainstream marginalizes everyone. 997 00:52:17.079 --> 00:52:19.719 It used to be just the term conspiracy theorist in general. 998 00:52:19.719 --> 00:52:22.360 It is a CIA created term to be like, oh, 999 00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.119 that person doesn't go for the facts. They're a conspiracy theorist, 1000 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.159 dot connector down in rabbit oles, this and that. How 1001 00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.000 you handwave it and dismiss those kind of people. But 1002 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:35.800 there are now ones for basically each individual topic, which 1003 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:40.079 is interesting if you yeah, the anti vaxxer, the flat earther. 1004 00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:44.039 Now there's the germ theory thing, there's oh, you're a 1005 00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:47.480 tartaria person. It's just it's all straw men. 1006 00:52:47.559 --> 00:52:47.719 You know. 1007 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.599 That's kind of classic dismissal if you don't want to 1008 00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:52.840 confront something. But yeah, it's also nice to try to 1009 00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:56.559 avoid making it easier for them to put you in 1010 00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.199 those boxes, because the answer is to try to get 1011 00:52:59.239 --> 00:53:02.280 to the nuance of certain points and then get people 1012 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:07.159 to think outside of their pre program box. They're the 1013 00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:08.679 ones in the box, not us. 1014 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:14.199 Well said, did anybody else have any questions? 1015 00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:16.559 Oh? 1016 00:53:16.679 --> 00:53:21.800 Yeah, sure, appreciate Greg Carl will again JJ Vance not 1017 00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.079 the vice president. Great to meet you, sir. I enjoyed 1018 00:53:25.079 --> 00:53:28.360 hearing about your your journey there. I uh, I would 1019 00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:30.039 like to hear some of your thoughts maybe on some 1020 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.079 of the how your thoughts have evolved on some of 1021 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:36.119 these subjects you've covered, and notably in particular a topic 1022 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.719 that I discovered from your show years ago on uh, 1023 00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.039 the work of Adam go Rightly in your in your 1024 00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:45.280 interviews and collaborations with him. The topic was Tuesday Well 1025 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:49.519 and Julia, Julie and I recently uh got subjects. 1026 00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:54.199 Wow, Wow, you really are going back probably that's what 1027 00:53:55.559 --> 00:53:59.159 deep cut? Yeah, deep cut. Well, let's just say about 1028 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:02.239 Adam go Rightly. I like and appreciate Adam go Rightly. 1029 00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:06.599 He at a time when I never really wanted to 1030 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.239 do the show myself, but I had a couple of 1031 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.719 buddies that were gonna do it with me, and they 1032 00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:13.639 just weren't as dedicated, so I was like, well, I 1033 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:15.360 guess I will do it myself. But then I started 1034 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:18.400 to have cycling co hosts. So I do a show 1035 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:22.239 every say, Saturday, and the first Saturday would be me alone, 1036 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.079 second Saturday, this other guy, third Saturday, this other guy. 1037 00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:26.920 One of them was Adam go Rightly, so he was 1038 00:54:26.960 --> 00:54:32.239 on like every fourth show, and I'm way more interested 1039 00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:36.480 in things like James Shelby Downard. Now I don't really 1040 00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.960 like the discordionism stuff because again, that's like a prankster thing. 1041 00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.400 It seems like an early QAnon type thing. And the 1042 00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:47.079 way Adam would write sometimes I'm like, are you just 1043 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:51.119 again like you don't believe this? It doesn't seem but 1044 00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.199 you're writing it so like maybe it's true, but you 1045 00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.559 don't believe it, So like what are we doing here? 1046 00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:58.440 Like are you just trying to be provocative? Are you 1047 00:54:58.480 --> 00:55:02.639 trying to entertaining or be truthful? But we had a 1048 00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:04.760 little bit of a falling out. I wouldn't even say 1049 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.719 a falling out. I have no problem, but just a 1050 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.480 weird Twitter spat before the last election, and it just 1051 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:16.159 seems like he drinks the liberal kool aid, and he 1052 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:20.239 went on a big liberal rant to me about like, oh, 1053 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:22.599 it's the right wing that's bad and blah blah blah, 1054 00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:26.000 and like they're all politicians. Man, the pendulum swings both ways. 1055 00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.920 You don't have to do this just because we're talking 1056 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:32.920 about an issue with corruption on the left. You don't 1057 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:34.880 have to say, well, what about the right. It's like, 1058 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.920 we're not talking about that right now, that's tomorrow subject. Today, 1059 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:41.239 we're talking about this side, okay. And it just seemed 1060 00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:45.039 like he was not willing at all to confront the 1061 00:55:45.360 --> 00:55:50.840 corruption that heads his own philosophical leaning party. It's like, 1062 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.360 come on, it's on both sides. So that was a 1063 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:58.960 little frustrating to experience. And I think he has worse 1064 00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:02.199 feelings about me from that exchange that I have about him, 1065 00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:04.159 because I don't take it all that seriously. I'm not 1066 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.840 super vested in one team over the other, but you know, 1067 00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:09.840 it seems like he was. And another thing that has 1068 00:56:09.880 --> 00:56:14.400 happened to me is people are so prepared for you 1069 00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.960 to just become alt right. They're just they've been primed, 1070 00:56:18.360 --> 00:56:21.360 so they're looking for it. So when you criticize the 1071 00:56:21.480 --> 00:56:24.519 other side, they're like, oh, this is the transition, this 1072 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:26.280 is how it happens. You know, all of a sudden, 1073 00:56:26.719 --> 00:56:29.599 you're gonna be off there at Tucker Carlson And it's like, 1074 00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:32.599 not really, but we have to be able to criticize 1075 00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:36.280 both teams or whatever. But you know, Adam Gorighty, it's like, 1076 00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:42.079 you're a guy who probably i'd say I'm pretty pretty sure, 1077 00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:46.679 voted for Obama twice, voted for Hillary, voted for Biden, 1078 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:49.239 and now you're yelling at me on the internet because 1079 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.239 the people that head the left are being called into criticism. 1080 00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:56.840 It's like if you're just voting for the mainstream party 1081 00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.800 and the mainstream candidates, like, what are you doing? And 1082 00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:02.760 can cospiracy research? Dude, honestly, like, what are we doing here? 1083 00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.679 You don't I thought it was provocative. That's what you did. 1084 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:09.920 You got very polarizing. You know, years ago, I didn't 1085 00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:11.599 mean to it was a deeper cut than I thought there, 1086 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.320 Greg I apologized for bringing that up there, and we 1087 00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:17.079 you know, I have a similar take on Discordianism and 1088 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:19.400 his writings. I like to I don't like to throw 1089 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:22.719 the baby out with the bathtub, and you know, regarding Discordianism. 1090 00:57:22.800 --> 00:57:24.880 What I find interesting and something Heidi and I have 1091 00:57:24.880 --> 00:57:27.880 been working on is this looking at some of the genealogy. 1092 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:29.960 You know, I'm a former Mormon, heid he's a former 1093 00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.519 Mormon looking at some of this occult genealogy of folks 1094 00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.559 like Parsons and you know, other folks within within the 1095 00:57:35.559 --> 00:57:39.440 Mormon sphere as well, like Carrie Thornley. His entire family 1096 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.599 tree is pioneering Mormon families. And you know what troubles 1097 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:44.840 me is his associations with the Processed Church of the 1098 00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:48.079 Final Judgment, because they certainly do act as similar to 1099 00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:51.559 an offshoot of some of their operations within creating Chaos, 1100 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.039 and Thornley just finds himself in around Atlanta, you know, 1101 00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:59.119 around the similar process activities come nineteen seventy nine. 1102 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:04.280 Yeah, I just I definitely tried that stuff out because 1103 00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.440 of Adam and our friendship, and if he was interested, 1104 00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:10.559 I became interested. And then after a while I was like, 1105 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:12.840 I feel like I'm just wasting time here because I 1106 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:16.880 just don't know if anyone's genuine. I just had to 1107 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:19.079 put it down and jumped them to figure it out. 1108 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.079 But it's kind of like a lot of the sixties 1109 00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.559 stuff too. I just like, I don't I just don't know. 1110 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:28.079 Especially when you get into Dave McGowan. You just see 1111 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:31.519 how many of the artists were the sons and daughters 1112 00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:35.000 of military intelligence, and you're like, absolutely, well, that's an 1113 00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.480 op that's kind of how it's to be. 1114 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:41.480 That's my favorite wheelhouse plural Canyon, and that. 1115 00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:44.039 Same pattern applies to Seattle grun scene as well. So 1116 00:58:44.320 --> 00:58:47.000 I mean, it's it seems to be a circumstance. These 1117 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.440 these same patterns from the McGowan identified and Laurel Canyon 1118 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:52.079 seemed top play elsewhere in music scenes. 1119 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:54.840 Yeah, and I wonder, like, what's up with the grunge thing. 1120 00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:57.920 I guess the whole point was it grunges hippie adjacent. 1121 00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:00.360 It's just like, you know, do heroin to be a 1122 00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:01.639 slob and just don't care. 1123 00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:07.480 Love Courtney Love, she's CIA is a motherfucker. 1124 00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.559 Oh the whole movement CIA for sure. 1125 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:14.360 Absolutely yeah, Courtney Love. John Potash does some great work 1126 00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:17.599 on Courtney Love. And she was over in the UK 1127 00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:22.199 selling drugs at festivals. Basically, that's what a lot of 1128 00:59:22.239 --> 00:59:24.880 these CIA plants in the music scene would do, is 1129 00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.000 sell drugs in the festival scene and wouldn't get caught 1130 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.280 because they're connected. But apparently she went from that to 1131 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.639 being a groupie to being married to Kurt Cobain. So 1132 00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:36.719 it gets weird. But now I think the big thing 1133 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.840 is it's crazy because I've become an old man. I'm like, what, 1134 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.400 I can't believe what the kids are doing. But now 1135 00:59:42.400 --> 00:59:46.119 you got like little Zan, Little Zan. Now yet corporate 1136 00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:49.440 drugs being branded as the party drugs, Like, can't we 1137 00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:51.360 at least stick to things that grow in the earth, 1138 00:59:52.159 --> 00:59:55.400 like we're promoting xanax? Now it it's strange. And then 1139 00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:58.320 the face tattoos, I think that is like the last 1140 00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.760 thing you can do if you convince. I mean there's 1141 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.599 other things that they seem to be doing to kids 1142 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.599 that are permanent too, but if you can convince someone 1143 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.280 eighteen to twenty eight to get a face tattoo, like 1144 01:00:12.079 --> 01:00:14.920 I mean, if the so one of my big conspiracy 1145 01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.119 premises is that the things they do are really just 1146 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.960 to ensure they never have competition in the wealth game. 1147 01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.159 If you want to cut the knees out from someone 1148 01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:26.920 trying to climb a ladder of developing wealth and starting 1149 01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:29.840 a business, get them to tattoo their face because that's 1150 01:00:29.880 --> 01:00:31.840 going to be very hard for them now. 1151 01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:34.840 But I want to look like posts. 1152 01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:39.679 Malone exactly exactly Pete Davidson. You know all the girls 1153 01:00:39.719 --> 01:00:42.239 love Pete Davidson. He's covered head to toe and tattoos 1154 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:44.119 and looks like a dupis. I should act like that 1155 01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:45.119 and do what he does. 1156 01:00:45.559 --> 01:00:48.039 I actually have a question for you that goes kind 1157 01:00:48.079 --> 01:00:50.639 of along the Laurel Canyon thing. If nobody else has 1158 01:00:50.639 --> 01:00:57.880 a question, I don't want to skip anybody's turn. Do 1159 01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:01.519 you feel like the podcast world right now is Laurel 1160 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:02.519 Canyon esque? 1161 01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.960 Because I do. I feel like there's gatekeeping. 1162 01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.599 I feel like only certain people can get to the top, 1163 01:01:08.679 --> 01:01:11.800 only certain topics can get there. You have to fit 1164 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:16.480 a certain mold. Now, it's like be a Christian conspiracy podcaster, 1165 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:17.159 do this? 1166 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:17.599 Do that? 1167 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:22.119 Russell Brand, Joe Rogan hate to say it, tinfoil hat. 1168 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:24.039 I mean, I'm just saying I. 1169 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.360 Feel like there's some Laurel Canyon esque behavior going on, 1170 01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:31.280 and I wonder what your opinion of that is. 1171 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.480 Well, yeah, I mean, you're going to get me in trouble, 1172 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:36.480 but I do think that that's happening. 1173 01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:37.239 So agree. 1174 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.360 The thing is that some people think it's sour grapes, like, well, 1175 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:42.719 why am I not at the top of the charts 1176 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.960 and this and that, I'm no where I am in 1177 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.280 the charts. I'd never thought i'd be on any charts. 1178 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.119 And I make a really good living and I don't 1179 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:54.239 ever take ad money. I mean that there's no one. 1180 01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.719 I can't think of another person who is as successful 1181 01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.159 as I am without going into the ad infrastructure and 1182 01:02:00.199 --> 01:02:03.159 has done it for fifteen years. So I'm coming. 1183 01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:04.559 I think that's admirable. 1184 01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:08.320 But I do think there's a lot of like I 1185 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:12.079 don't know suspect to say the least with like what 1186 01:02:12.199 --> 01:02:13.800 topics get big and like. 1187 01:02:14.159 --> 01:02:18.000 Yeah, well that's driven that's driven by somewhat the AD revenue. 1188 01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:21.079 And I'm actually talking to a guy tomorrow seven C's. 1189 01:02:21.119 --> 01:02:25.000 He does these big webs of connections that shows here 1190 01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:28.960 are the major companies that advertise on podcasts. Here are 1191 01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:32.079 the people who own these companies. Some of them are 1192 01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:38.840 like Peter Thiel and he did Peter Teal Technocracy and stuff. 1193 01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:43.440 So you have these very people funding the brands that 1194 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:48.159 seem monoculous and innocent enough that are fueling podcasters to 1195 01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:52.960 six and seven figure wealth. That's a big deal. So yeah, 1196 01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:58.119 it's like it's definitely happening. And some of it is 1197 01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:01.559 like probably a bit of network Like you'll have some 1198 01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:04.559 shows where it seems like every week they're talking to 1199 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:09.880 some CIA whistleblower or military intelligence whistleblower. It's like, well, 1200 01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:12.079 there's not that many of them to base your whole 1201 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.559 show on a revolving door of these whistleblowers. Maybe these 1202 01:03:15.599 --> 01:03:19.400 are people who are seating a narrative in the alternative culture. 1203 01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:21.519 It seems like that's kind of what's really happening. 1204 01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:25.920 But Candice Owens gets me every time because I feel 1205 01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:29.440 like she she like switched up, like halfway through her 1206 01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:32.239 she was all trumping and now she's talking to like 1207 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.960 XCIA and like she has some good episodes, and I 1208 01:03:36.079 --> 01:03:38.400 like some of her research. Don't get me wrong, I'll 1209 01:03:38.559 --> 01:03:43.360 listen to an episode or two, but I just think that, yeah, 1210 01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.400 I mean, it just seems like Russell Brand is like 1211 01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:49.960 that everybody's coming out as a Christian or everybody's coming out. 1212 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:52.320 It's like this is the thing to talk about, and 1213 01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:56.079 I wonder how if they're genuine. You know, I hate 1214 01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:00.679 disingenuine podcast hosts because it's like I want to learn 1215 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.039 something from you. I want to like you, but you 1216 01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.760 make it fucking impossible because I don't know if you're 1217 01:04:06.480 --> 01:04:07.800 if you have any integrity. 1218 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:11.679 You know what I'm saying, right, everybody, everybody knows. This 1219 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.400 is my big uh like whistle to blow within the 1220 01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:18.840 podcast community, I think, and I get some fair backlash 1221 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:19.239 for it. 1222 01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.119 But if you want to know the fruits of people's labors, 1223 01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:22.920 why don't you watch? 1224 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:26.480 And then on top of it, if you aren't bought in, 1225 01:04:27.199 --> 01:04:30.519 like what Greg's saying there about like who finances who? 1226 01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.519 I always look at stockholdings. I always look at all 1227 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:36.119 this stuff for these big corporations, like who's playing in 1228 01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:36.920 Who's field? 1229 01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:37.360 Right? 1230 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.440 And then genealogy. As JJ said, you either butt. 1231 01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:43.320 Your way in or your blood your way in, and 1232 01:04:43.360 --> 01:04:46.840 that's the only two ways there is, especially. 1233 01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:51.679 In conspiracy pot or I'm sorry, in comedy podcasting in particular, 1234 01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:57.119 it's hard to find a comedian podcaster in the top 1235 01:04:57.159 --> 01:05:00.960 ten that doesn't have something going on, and usually just 1236 01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:02.840 really rich connected. 1237 01:05:02.440 --> 01:05:05.440 Parents, you know, isn't that crazy? 1238 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.519 Brian Callen gets it all the time because Brian Collen's 1239 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:12.840 dad is a CFR think tank banker guy. But it 1240 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.320 doesn't just stop there. I mean, there's other ones that 1241 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:21.360 have hedge fund manager fathers. And Theovon's dad was some 1242 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:25.960 Polish aristocrat. It's like theovonn you know, you can't that's 1243 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.199 the other thing. You can't control what your parents did. 1244 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:30.440 You're born into this life. You're born into the skin 1245 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:32.280 you're born in, and you're born into the family you're 1246 01:05:32.280 --> 01:05:35.039 born in, and that shouldn't stop you from doing whatever 1247 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.360 you want to do. And if your parents give you 1248 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.719 a little seed money, I don't think that's bad. So 1249 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:41.639 I don't really have a problem with that. It's about 1250 01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:46.599 it if you're using it to, you know, do information, 1251 01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:52.320 you know, disinformation filtered out through your podcast. Great. But 1252 01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:54.679 then the thing is is like Theovon's got this dad, right, 1253 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:58.000 who is a Polish aristocrat. And you can say, well, 1254 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:02.239 his dad was like something crazy like seventy when Theo 1255 01:06:02.440 --> 01:06:05.559 was born or something really crazy like that, and so 1256 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:07.519 he didn't really even know his dad very well. But 1257 01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:09.679 there might have been some benefits and some effects, but 1258 01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:11.400 he probably just wanted to grow up with a dad. 1259 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.800 And now the Internet's raking him over the coals for this. 1260 01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:18.199 But on the other hand, he is interviewing Trump, He's 1261 01:06:18.239 --> 01:06:21.440 interviewing the president. So what's going on here? Because it 1262 01:06:21.480 --> 01:06:24.679 seems like those connections do management. 1263 01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:26.599 He was interviewing the president, well. 1264 01:06:26.440 --> 01:06:29.639 He already did. Oh fuck, he did a three hour 1265 01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:32.360 interview with Trump before he got elected and right before 1266 01:06:32.760 --> 01:06:34.199 before Rogan did even. 1267 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.639 The comedy store. There you go, JJ. I want to 1268 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:41.760 like these people, but there's just too much. 1269 01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:44.800 I don't know if I would lump Sam Tripoli in there, though. 1270 01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:46.400 I mean, I know you, I heard you mentioned him. 1271 01:06:46.400 --> 01:06:48.599 I was a little nervous. I was like, is this 1272 01:06:48.679 --> 01:06:51.159 to gotcha? Because I think that the Occult rejects and 1273 01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:54.000 and Sam had a dust up. I don't know what 1274 01:06:54.079 --> 01:06:56.280 it was about. I just know he's been nice to me. 1275 01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:59.400 He let me live out some fantasies of performing at 1276 01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:02.480 the comedy or that I had no business doing. But 1277 01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:04.760 now I can at least write it off like I 1278 01:07:04.880 --> 01:07:05.440 did do that. 1279 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.199 Yeah, I've met him a couple of times. I mean, 1280 01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.000 I don't have anything against him or anything like that. 1281 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:16.079 I just as a conspiracy theorist in this realm, you 1282 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:20.199 have to question everyone, like even any of us, you know. 1283 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:22.119 But if we're talking about like who has had an 1284 01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:26.039 advantage by being connected through the system. I don't know 1285 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:28.719 if Sam conforms to that model. I don't know his 1286 01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:31.519 parents or anything, but he strikes me as someone who 1287 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:34.119 has just been putting in the sweat equity at the 1288 01:07:34.119 --> 01:07:37.639 comedy store for years and years, and then podcasting happened 1289 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:40.639 and he transitioned. And yeah, he does a bunch of ads, 1290 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:43.719 he sells memberships, he does everything he can do to 1291 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:45.840 make it a career. He's also dealing with the LA 1292 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:48.599 scene and like what that whole culture is. But I 1293 01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:53.000 feel like he finally had his energies and efforts pay 1294 01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:56.159 off in podcasting, and it was only maybe not paying 1295 01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:58.760 off so much or getting him to the middle of comedy, 1296 01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:00.880 or he was doing more of like push shows together 1297 01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:03.559 rather than like being that. I don't know exactly, but 1298 01:08:03.599 --> 01:08:06.760 it seems like comedy itself was a lot more lucrative 1299 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:10.079 for a lot of his friends than him and now, 1300 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:11.880 And that's what I'm thinking. That's what I think. If 1301 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:16.880 we're trying to assess, like who is connected, who is disingenuous, 1302 01:08:17.800 --> 01:08:21.119 you know, who is using Daddy's network to funnel Think 1303 01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.600 Tank guests through to the airwaves. I don't put him 1304 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.560 in that category, but I mean I also have probably 1305 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:28.920 picked him bad. I think I have a pretty good picker, 1306 01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:33.000 but there's definitely times where after reading a book and 1307 01:08:33.039 --> 01:08:35.479 not wanting to cancel, I'm like, shit, I don't know 1308 01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.359 if I buy this narrative or not. I have a 1309 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:41.319 problem with being two nice nice. So sometimes people will 1310 01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:44.279 come to me with a pitch and I just don't 1311 01:08:44.279 --> 01:08:45.800 want to say no, and I'm like, yeah, we can 1312 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:48.119 do it. Now, a show like Sam or a show 1313 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:49.840 like a lot of other ones that are AD supported, 1314 01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:51.359 you just say, yeah, let's do it, because you can 1315 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:53.880 always do another one. I'm in the business of selling 1316 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:57.840 five good interviews a month, so if I give three 1317 01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:00.439 of those slots to people who pitched me and then 1318 01:09:00.439 --> 01:09:02.920 I'm like, ah, this is kind of milk toast, I 1319 01:09:02.960 --> 01:09:04.880 still got to do it, and that's in my thing. 1320 01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:06.279 I didn't make it. I mean, I can't say I 1321 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.359 didn't make any money from that show, but it's it's 1322 01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.279 not the same as just another SATVA AD supported show. 1323 01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:13.560 Another better help support your ad. 1324 01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:16.000 Yeah, sure to build a punk. 1325 01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:18.760 If I had a caveat on the weird scenes inside 1326 01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:21.079 of the Comedy Store and the dust up you previously mentioned, 1327 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:23.439 they're greg Yeah, I wasn't trying to redust up anything, 1328 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:25.800 and there's a good analysis there, good assessment. But what 1329 01:09:25.880 --> 01:09:27.840 I was referring to is the fact that you got 1330 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:30.840 all these major if you're a comedian in Hollywood for 1331 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:33.319 many decades, the shores, the folks who ran the Comedy 1332 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:36.199 Store for many years, shores folks. Yeah, they gave the 1333 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:38.119 green light if you were getting on a Hollywood camera 1334 01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:40.479 in front of the camera as a comedian in any film, 1335 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.439 like you were getting green lip by the shores, Right. 1336 01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:44.560 That's kind of kind of the way I look at 1337 01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:45.840 the weird scenes aspect to it. 1338 01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:48.960 Sure. I mean Sam brought that up in the interview 1339 01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:50.840 I did with him, as he was like, think about 1340 01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:53.399 the He didn't get too deep into it, he was 1341 01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:56.359 a little vague, but he did say, like, think about 1342 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:59.640 that culture, all the heavy hitters going back to like 1343 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:03.039 the d Murphy Robin Williams day is like everyone who's 1344 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.840 anyone is there at the comedy Store. You think that 1345 01:10:06.039 --> 01:10:10.159 it wasn't infiltrated by intelligence, and you know, you kind 1346 01:10:10.159 --> 01:10:14.920 of left it at that, but yeah, absolutely, Yeah. 1347 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.319 To build upon that with what Jay you said and 1348 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:21.239 what you're saying, it's almost like you said disingenuous. We 1349 01:10:21.319 --> 01:10:24.399 see a track record of the Alphabet Boys and intelligentsia 1350 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:29.439 infiltrating every single faction of culture and influence, and so 1351 01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:35.439 it would be somewhat educationally naive to not think that 1352 01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:41.319 they have not infiltrated, especially the conspiracy realm, especially the Bubble. 1353 01:10:41.720 --> 01:10:44.199 And on that whole. 1354 01:10:44.039 --> 01:10:49.760 Premise, do you think that potentially that the conspiracy algorithm 1355 01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:53.680 Bubble is kind of like an mk ultra spillover and 1356 01:10:53.680 --> 01:11:00.239 that they're programming people through these conspiracy targeted I guess podcasts, 1357 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:04.840 and that they're like a psychotronic layer that's being exploited 1358 01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:11.039 by staycraft. So he goes well beyond data mining. But 1359 01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.800 now you've taken the projects that happened in Harvard, or 1360 01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:19.439 in Stanford or in Eslin, and now you've gone global. 1361 01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:23.039 Yeah. I don't know how much it applies to conspiracy 1362 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:26.439 podcasting as much as just the Internet and social media 1363 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:30.680 in general. Obviously we're all participating in that to promote 1364 01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:35.000 every show and every venture that people have, But yeah, 1365 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:37.720 I think social media was kind of designed out of that. 1366 01:11:37.800 --> 01:11:39.960 I interviewed this guy Schwab a couple of times, and 1367 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:46.279 he's gone deep on early cybernetics and just early computer gaming, 1368 01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:54.239 and how it was psychologists and behaviorists logging data, watching patterns, 1369 01:11:54.239 --> 01:11:57.000 seeing how minds react to this and that, and that's 1370 01:11:57.079 --> 01:12:01.159 all like stuff from the eighties. All of that is 1371 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:05.439 the data that gets used today even still. So yeah, 1372 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:10.000 they're constantly refining in the conspiracy world. I really just 1373 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:13.960 think it's the thing that's the biggest problem is when 1374 01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:19.279 a big show would have someone on for a topic 1375 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:22.479 that should be more in my lane, they kind of 1376 01:12:22.479 --> 01:12:24.800 dip in and out of the conspiracy lane every once 1377 01:12:24.840 --> 01:12:28.920 in a while, and they promote a given person and 1378 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:32.840 their perspective and their books and their narrative. And that's 1379 01:12:32.880 --> 01:12:36.000 a little frustrating because to a common person it gives 1380 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:38.399 the appearance that like, oh, they'll go wherever the story, 1381 01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:40.359 they'll go wherever they need to go to get the truth. 1382 01:12:40.399 --> 01:12:43.479 And it's like, I'm not sure that's exactly what you're watching. 1383 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:46.840 But I said, I have gotten it wrong before too. 1384 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.319 I know I've picked guests that I wouldn't have on again. 1385 01:12:49.880 --> 01:12:52.520 Sometimes I also think, especially in the early days when 1386 01:12:52.520 --> 01:12:55.880 there weren't as many podcasts, sometimes there was just value 1387 01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:59.800 in having on a person who maybe is connected and 1388 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:02.960 like giving them enough rope to hang themselves with it. 1389 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:05.640 They say, you could look at my early comments section 1390 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:08.159 be like, man, I actually think I trusted this person 1391 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:10.560 when I only saw them on ancient aliens or only 1392 01:13:10.600 --> 01:13:13.760 heard them in ten minute sound bites one hundred when 1393 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:16.640 you ask them deeper questions about their work and let 1394 01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:18.479 them go for a full two hours. Now, I don't 1395 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:20.840 think I liked this person anymore or trust that. 1396 01:13:20.760 --> 01:13:23.960 They know anything and that I'm glad you said that. Yeah, 1397 01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:25.239 that doesn't happen as. 1398 01:13:25.159 --> 01:13:27.840 Much these days, but it had a value for a 1399 01:13:27.840 --> 01:13:28.680 certain amount of time. 1400 01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:32.760 I can imagine it was slim pickens there in the 1401 01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:35.279 beginning too. As long as you've been doing. 1402 01:13:35.199 --> 01:13:38.800 It, it's harder now. Back when I was doing it, 1403 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:41.520 nobody was asking these people for interviews. They were jumping 1404 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:43.600 out a chance to be interviewed on a show that 1405 01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.640 the sound like shit and wasn't full of ads. Now, 1406 01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:48.960 part of the reason why I'm pivoting to video is 1407 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:52.119 I have liked to present guests as best as I 1408 01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:56.239 can through the audio quality, the intro, this and that, 1409 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:00.640 the audience size, But that video component is and so 1410 01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:04.520 I think it's harder to separate it's harder to see 1411 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:07.680 what's special about my show without being able to show 1412 01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:10.680 someone a video component if they're not already familiar. When 1413 01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.680 there's thirty other people asking for interviews and lyne about 1414 01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:16.720 their numbers, usually you know, so many people just say, oh, 1415 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.079 I got a million listeners. It's like you don't, because 1416 01:14:19.079 --> 01:14:22.600 there's only so many people that do. I don't, even 1417 01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.720 so you know, you're in the top one percent of 1418 01:14:25.760 --> 01:14:27.840 one percent of one percent, and I've never heard of 1419 01:14:27.880 --> 01:14:30.199 your show. It's possible, I guess, but I have kind 1420 01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:31.840 of had my finger on the pulse of this place 1421 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:35.399 for a while. So you're competing. You're trying to get 1422 01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:38.520 an interview with someone who is in high demand, hearing 1423 01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:43.279 kind of manipulated numbers from other people, and having a 1424 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:46.079 video presentation where they're like, oh, well, that looks pretty good. 1425 01:14:46.119 --> 01:14:47.760 People are vain, they want to look good, they want 1426 01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:50.279 to be presented well, and if all I have to 1427 01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:52.439 show is audio, it's a little hard to show how 1428 01:14:52.800 --> 01:14:55.279 well they'll be presented in that audio format. So it's 1429 01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:58.479 another reason to pivot is I think I might go 1430 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.680 back to being able to get any guests I want, 1431 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:05.880 whereas right now I get more nose than I used 1432 01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:07.960 to get. I get more nos today than I did 1433 01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.159 ten years ago. And I think it's just the volume 1434 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:14.000 that shocks me, the volume of people asking. 1435 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.399 And are you finding all of these guests yourself or 1436 01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:20.880 do you rely on or do you have an assistant 1437 01:15:21.119 --> 01:15:23.720 or anything else that's trawling the boards and stuff, because 1438 01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:26.119 that's a ton of work. If I interviews a month 1439 01:15:26.199 --> 01:15:29.000 and then reading their material or catching up with their 1440 01:15:29.079 --> 01:15:31.119 videos and stuff like that, that's a lot. 1441 01:15:32.560 --> 01:15:35.439 Yeah, that is the part of the job. I've never outsourced. 1442 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:40.399 I outsourced the editing. I outsourced the clips. I have 1443 01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:42.880 a team who makes social media clips, and you know 1444 01:15:42.920 --> 01:15:46.439 how everybody's using the same AI little clip making things 1445 01:15:46.479 --> 01:15:48.399 now and I'm like, you guys, go ahead and make 1446 01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:51.439 them post them. I don't care. But other than that, 1447 01:15:51.479 --> 01:15:54.680 I've never outsourced anything. It seems like that's the thing 1448 01:15:54.720 --> 01:15:57.199 that can't be outsourced. I must, but like I said, 1449 01:15:57.399 --> 01:16:00.119 people do pitch me, and then I just don't want 1450 01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:02.520 to say no, I can't. Mario has been on I 1451 01:16:02.560 --> 01:16:04.319 can't remember if I reached out to you or you 1452 01:16:04.359 --> 01:16:07.119 reached out to me first. I know you were familiar 1453 01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:09.199 with me, which is the best. The best is when 1454 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:11.520 I reach out to someone cold and they're like, I've 1455 01:16:11.520 --> 01:16:14.159 listened to you for ten years. Oh great, so I 1456 01:16:14.159 --> 01:16:16.039 don't have to make my pitch anymore. Let's just do 1457 01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:19.199 a good interview for sure. It's like I picked them 1458 01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:22.000 and they know me already. That's great, But I can't 1459 01:16:22.000 --> 01:16:23.119 remember who pitched you. 1460 01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.199 But yeah, you. 1461 01:16:25.199 --> 01:16:27.239 Reached out to me, and it was exactly that. I 1462 01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:28.760 was like, oh, dude, I've been listening to you for 1463 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:29.359 like a long time. 1464 01:16:29.479 --> 01:16:32.079 Yeah, that's the best. But I get emails every day 1465 01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.960 of it's usually from the same like pr formatted interview 1466 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:37.840 of like we love what you're doing at the higher 1467 01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:40.439 side chats, we want to introduce you to this person, 1468 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:44.479 and it's like almost always I should just say no 1469 01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:48.800 to those, just on principle, like just don't just say 1470 01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:51.640 blanket no and go find your five each month. You know, 1471 01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:54.319 it's really no big deal. I see in the chat 1472 01:16:54.399 --> 01:16:57.319 someone wants to talk about Twiman, which I don't mind 1473 01:16:57.359 --> 01:17:01.199 talking about, although it does get me in trouble because 1474 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:04.920 I don't choose my hords carefully and sensitive subjects. People 1475 01:17:05.119 --> 01:17:11.720 don't like you to just wing it. Oh well, real, real, 1476 01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.600 real quick, real quick, ro do you want to know about. 1477 01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:17.479 Actually, could Robbie just go first before we get into that, 1478 01:17:17.479 --> 01:17:19.079 because I didn't forgets on the screen for that. 1479 01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:22.680 Well, I was basically going to follow up on exactly 1480 01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:27.560 what Lisa was talking about in regard to this as 1481 01:17:27.600 --> 01:17:29.760 you you know, you go back to the World's Fair 1482 01:17:29.840 --> 01:17:33.800 and there was the Nimrod Ferranti first digital computer. It 1483 01:17:33.840 --> 01:17:36.960 was a gaming computer and they've slowly worked it, you know, 1484 01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:40.439 and then you get into Norbert Wiener and cybernetics, and 1485 01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:43.359 you just follow this up into the modern you know, 1486 01:17:44.239 --> 01:17:49.600 DARPA and everything that's going on. And it seems that 1487 01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:55.000 since MK Ultra kind of had congressional hearings and they 1488 01:17:55.079 --> 01:17:58.439 kind of went underground on a certain level that you 1489 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:00.880 know with MK search and m K Naomi and all 1490 01:18:00.920 --> 01:18:04.000 these various projects that you know, when you look at like, 1491 01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:08.960 you know, various streaming platforms like Netflix bringing back the 1492 01:18:09.199 --> 01:18:12.159 rest of development, and all of a sudden, everybody's on 1493 01:18:12.239 --> 01:18:14.720 a commune and they're eating mushrooms. And then you have 1494 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:17.760 the introduction of like, you know, weeds and granted, you know, 1495 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:21.239 marijuana is a different level, I think when you get 1496 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:24.159 into some of these higher psychedelics, but At the same time, 1497 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:29.319 it seems like within the popular vernacular, very much like 1498 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.359 with at the end of the Vietnam War, how they 1499 01:18:32.359 --> 01:18:35.680 were pushing tune in, turn on drop out through Yale 1500 01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:41.079 marketing to basically capture these protesters and take them away, 1501 01:18:41.199 --> 01:18:45.039 empowering the government per se. On a higher level, is 1502 01:18:45.119 --> 01:18:52.079 there a conceited effort maybe to initiate the population as 1503 01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:59.760 a whole into psychedelic culture, into this occult kind of thinking, 1504 01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:05.920 in to conspiracy culture or is it art imitating reality 1505 01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:09.600 or reality imitating art? And it's kind of a vicious 1506 01:19:09.680 --> 01:19:12.479 circular thing that just kind of is expansive within the 1507 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:14.279 natural thing, you know. 1508 01:19:14.840 --> 01:19:17.800 I think it's a great question. I have a lot 1509 01:19:17.840 --> 01:19:22.000 of questions about that myself, because I do find psychedelics 1510 01:19:22.039 --> 01:19:25.560 to be something that breaks you out of the materialist programming, 1511 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:30.159 and it's been hugely beneficial to me. I would say 1512 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:35.439 the category of marijuana, mushrooms, and basically that in ayahuasca, 1513 01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:37.640 I would put those three things in a box. I've 1514 01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.399 never even I've done LSD a time or two and 1515 01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:43.560 people love it and they say it's very mushrooms adjacent, 1516 01:19:43.600 --> 01:19:45.880 but it is synthesized in a lab that kind of 1517 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:48.239 breaks me out a little bit, like what is the 1518 01:19:48.279 --> 01:19:50.640 true agenda behind it? But really, I think anything that 1519 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:54.359 breaks you out of your rout and your programming is good. 1520 01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:58.680 But yet they are promoting it for sure. I was 1521 01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:01.199 talking to one of my return guest Chris Knowles, about 1522 01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.600 this one time, and he started talking about how he's 1523 01:20:03.640 --> 01:20:06.640 getting these emails about so and so university wants you 1524 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.600 to come participate in the study for mushrooms and or 1525 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:11.960 at least donate to it, and this is happening, and 1526 01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:14.439 he's like, why are you being so nice to me? 1527 01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:17.199 And I just thought that was a great way to 1528 01:20:17.279 --> 01:20:20.600 phrase what he's talking about, just like something's going on here. 1529 01:20:20.399 --> 01:20:23.359 You're being too nice to me. You're talking about this 1530 01:20:23.399 --> 01:20:26.359 too much. It just doesn't feel right. It feels like 1531 01:20:26.359 --> 01:20:30.960 an op so exactly. And I don't know why, because 1532 01:20:31.000 --> 01:20:33.039 I thought the game was kind of to keep people 1533 01:20:33.079 --> 01:20:35.920 in the materialist box. It could just be for that 1534 01:20:37.359 --> 01:20:41.920 whole hippie movement thing, like let's get people distracted and 1535 01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:45.319 navel gazing, so that it's another form of not doing 1536 01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:49.000 anything but feeling like you did something. You know, we're 1537 01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:52.079 so programmed to such a finite level that even just 1538 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:56.359 having a level one level two awakening takes people ten 1539 01:20:56.439 --> 01:20:59.600 years to unpack, and life is only ninety years if 1540 01:20:59.600 --> 01:20:59.960 your luck. 1541 01:21:00.359 --> 01:21:02.159 So, and that's the thing. 1542 01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.119 You know, You've been going through this material for fifteen years, 1543 01:21:05.119 --> 01:21:08.199 you know, when I was thirteen, fourteen years old, I 1544 01:21:08.239 --> 01:21:11.680 was reading Robert Anton Wilson, William Burrows, Carlos Castaneda. 1545 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:12.119 You know. 1546 01:21:12.159 --> 01:21:15.000 So I've been marching down this road for like forty years. 1547 01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:19.359 And philosophically, in the long run, it helps you cut 1548 01:21:19.399 --> 01:21:22.319 the truth from the lie. It helps sentry. But for 1549 01:21:22.439 --> 01:21:25.920 people just coming into it, I know at times when 1550 01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:28.039 I was coming up that you know, you get you 1551 01:21:28.079 --> 01:21:31.039 get caught in these you know, Discordianism, or you get 1552 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:34.960 caught in you know potentially you know, like Buddhism or 1553 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:37.880 any of these various things you kind of spin off 1554 01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:42.560 into and you become a juggernaut for that force unpotentially 1555 01:21:42.600 --> 01:21:46.840 you know, you know, And and so it's like it's 1556 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:52.119 like just a bigger picture that is a long road 1557 01:21:52.560 --> 01:21:55.840 that a lot of people really don't understand in regard 1558 01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:59.560 to getting caught in these ideas, which I think is 1559 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:02.760 where the fault is within all of this stuff. 1560 01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:08.000 Really, you know, yeah, I agree with you. I don't 1561 01:22:08.039 --> 01:22:11.640 know exactly why they're promoting mushrooms in particular is the 1562 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:13.560 one that I just find to be odd. Maybe they're 1563 01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:16.720 GMO mushrooms are going to introduce and they've done something 1564 01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:20.880 that sends you off into another direction or melts your 1565 01:22:20.920 --> 01:22:25.800 mind in an unproductive way. It's just you can't deny 1566 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:29.079 that it's there. And the whole microdosing trend, I don't 1567 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.079 know what that's about. I think the point of mushrooms 1568 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:35.159 is to have a heroic experience, as Terrence McKenna would say. 1569 01:22:35.840 --> 01:22:39.479 But I can't say micro microdosing has no value. I 1570 01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:41.880 mean I used to get high in the parking lot 1571 01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:43.840 before going in to do my job because it just 1572 01:22:43.840 --> 01:22:46.399 helped me cope with it. I think some people use 1573 01:22:46.520 --> 01:22:49.199 microdosing like that, but other people are like, I get 1574 01:22:49.199 --> 01:22:52.039 my best ideas this and that, so I try not 1575 01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:54.520 to judge it. But you can definitely see it being 1576 01:22:54.560 --> 01:22:57.760 pushed and we'll know later why. It's often how these 1577 01:22:57.760 --> 01:22:58.319 things work. 1578 01:22:58.800 --> 01:22:59.840 Yeah, the venture. 1579 01:23:01.159 --> 01:23:05.880 As therapeutic, yeah, exactly. And it's the same universities who 1580 01:23:05.920 --> 01:23:08.000 are involved in mk ultra that are now doing their 1581 01:23:08.079 --> 01:23:11.760 mushroom studies and this and that it's definitely to raise 1582 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:12.279 an eyebrow. 1583 01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:16.119 We're seeing a lot of mental breakdowns from the mix 1584 01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:20.479 of pot and mushrooms, and I'm talking full blown psychosis 1585 01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:25.640 for upwards of a year now and we're seeing this constantly, 1586 01:23:25.800 --> 01:23:28.960 specifically with dab and mushroom. 1587 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:30.960 Oh, I'm so glad you said that, because that's what 1588 01:23:31.000 --> 01:23:33.039 I was thinking, because I do know a couple of 1589 01:23:33.079 --> 01:23:38.000 people who dabs became their daily ingestion of marijuana and 1590 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.359 it did not go well. They spun off, lost their jobs, 1591 01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:48.560 stop paying their mortgages, lost their homes. Just decision casualty. Yeah, 1592 01:23:48.760 --> 01:23:51.640 Like I just always say, like, does is it serving you? 1593 01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:54.520 Is is it doing? Like for me, marijuana serves me 1594 01:23:54.640 --> 01:23:57.720 pretty well. It might not always now it just serves 1595 01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:59.920 me in the evenings to me and my wife are like, 1596 01:24:00.039 --> 01:24:01.920 well we got through another day with these kids. Like 1597 01:24:01.960 --> 01:24:05.520 now they're asleep, Now we're relaxing, and we'll start again tomorrow. 1598 01:24:05.560 --> 01:24:07.560 But like that's something that I feel like I earn 1599 01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:09.880 at the end of the day now. But I definitely 1600 01:24:09.880 --> 01:24:14.680 don't have the permistoned lifestyle. I maybe once did, and 1601 01:24:14.880 --> 01:24:16.720 obviously you can overindulge in anything. 1602 01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:19.600 Well, I think they're tainting it. I think you're right. 1603 01:24:20.119 --> 01:24:21.920 I think sometimes for sure. 1604 01:24:22.000 --> 01:24:25.239 Well, also there's when you get into Hourly and looking 1605 01:24:25.279 --> 01:24:28.359 at his background and the chemical research that he was 1606 01:24:28.399 --> 01:24:31.600 involved in. One of the substances that they tried to 1607 01:24:31.640 --> 01:24:36.119 introduce later was the substance STP that basically when you 1608 01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:39.479 take it, it's like LSD, but it wrecks you for 1609 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:43.279 like weeks on end, and like people don't come back 1610 01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:47.840 from it, you know. So it's you know, it seems nefarious, 1611 01:24:48.199 --> 01:24:51.000 But at times, I think maybe they're just trying to 1612 01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.640 eradicate the populace to the point where maybe they're spinning 1613 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:57.760 off people that are more inventive and thinking outside the 1614 01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:02.199 box more so that we have more expansive possibilities. But 1615 01:25:02.279 --> 01:25:05.199 at the same time, I've seen the destruction that a 1616 01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:07.479 lot of this stuff has caused over the years, and 1617 01:25:07.560 --> 01:25:09.319 it's you know, I mean worriesome. 1618 01:25:09.760 --> 01:25:12.479 So yeah, a lot of it is a numbers game. 1619 01:25:12.680 --> 01:25:15.720 They introduce something because they know X amount of people 1620 01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:19.960 will burn out on it, and they'll ones the ones 1621 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:23.119 who get through. They'll find another challenge for those people. 1622 01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:26.560 If it isn't just the economic burden that we're under, 1623 01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:27.840 it'll be something else. 1624 01:25:31.600 --> 01:25:34.720 I actually had a quick question, Greg, how do you 1625 01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:41.439 personally reconcile, rectify perhaps the current state of how the 1626 01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:44.560 conspiracy community or the conspiracy canon maybe is a more 1627 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:50.159 interesting metafictional way to sort of frame it. It's very decoherent, 1628 01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:53.079 And how do you define the contours of the truth 1629 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:57.000 what that means for both yourself but also like as 1630 01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.039 you were saying, like what guests you have on like, 1631 01:25:59.079 --> 01:26:03.439 how do you decide and what sort of gives you 1632 01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:07.119 the framework to maybe ontological framework to define what you 1633 01:26:07.159 --> 01:26:08.920 think the truth is and how you want to present 1634 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:10.159 your vision and your show. 1635 01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:13.239 I mean, it's a good question, and it is a 1636 01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:16.520 case by case basis. I suppose on a lot of subjects, 1637 01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:20.640 but I usually cite the line in the theme song 1638 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:22.399 for the show, which I wrote, is we know they're 1639 01:26:22.439 --> 01:26:24.840 lying to us, we don't know to what degree. So 1640 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:28.079 you know, I might go to an eight on a 1641 01:26:28.159 --> 01:26:30.760 certain thing, but I've never really closed off from the 1642 01:26:30.880 --> 01:26:34.439 upper levels. It's just, you know, because I've been burned before. 1643 01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:36.560 I think we've all been like, no, I'm super sure 1644 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.239 about this one thing, and then you're presented with new 1645 01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:41.560 information You're like, wow, I'm changing my mind about that 1646 01:26:41.640 --> 01:26:44.239 I never thought I would. So that's why I try 1647 01:26:44.279 --> 01:26:47.720 not to get too attached anymore. But I think that 1648 01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:52.119 some things go to a level of silliness, And you 1649 01:26:52.159 --> 01:26:54.039 know I say that now, I hear myself saying it, 1650 01:26:54.079 --> 01:26:55.800 and it's like, well, you know, we throw out an 1651 01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:59.439 example of it. The mud flood stuff doesn't really resonate 1652 01:26:59.439 --> 01:27:01.560 with me all that much. But then I'm sure there's 1653 01:27:01.600 --> 01:27:03.680 people on this call who are like, what, like, that's 1654 01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:06.640 my old bread and butter, the mudfloff. There's definitely areas 1655 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:10.880 where you can see that buildings go down like they 1656 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:13.600 have been buried on that first floor. Sometimes there's an 1657 01:27:13.640 --> 01:27:17.199 explanation for it, like the earthquakes that happened in San Francisco. 1658 01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:20.199 Sometimes there isn't an explanation for it. The World's Fair 1659 01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:25.720 stuff is really interesting. I have lived in at least 1660 01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:28.920 two of the major places. Saint Louis, and I mean 1661 01:27:28.960 --> 01:27:33.880 Saint Louis, Chicago and San Diego are all big World's 1662 01:27:33.880 --> 01:27:38.000 Fair cities, and all of them have buildings which the 1663 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:42.960 official story says these buildings were built quickly just for 1664 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:46.000 the World's Fair, with the intention of being taken down afterwards, 1665 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.760 and they're still there. And they definitely are made of 1666 01:27:48.840 --> 01:27:54.000 real building materials. These aren't paper mache buildings, so Chris 1667 01:27:54.039 --> 01:27:58.319 and shit like that. Yeah, and you can kind of 1668 01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:01.920 start to put together a romanticized version of the past 1669 01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:03.960 where no, they did know about the ether, and they 1670 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.760 did know about energy, and these cathedrals were built to 1671 01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:09.520 well up energy and this and that. I want to 1672 01:28:09.560 --> 01:28:12.079 believe some of that stuff, but I don't know there's 1673 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:13.920 much of a record of it at all. But then 1674 01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.439 they control the record. So can you really wipe out 1675 01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:21.159 something absolutely? That's really what you have to wrestle with. 1676 01:28:21.199 --> 01:28:26.520 I think can can something like a whole civilization, a 1677 01:28:26.520 --> 01:28:30.279 whole empire be completely wiped out? There's a druidic erasure 1678 01:28:30.359 --> 01:28:33.079 that people talk about, but we all know the term druid. 1679 01:28:33.800 --> 01:28:36.680 No one knew the term totaria until like five years ago, 1680 01:28:37.239 --> 01:28:39.720 so I don't know. It does get to be a 1681 01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:42.920 slippery slope. I try to never close the door on 1682 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:47.000 anything as long as it sounds like it could exist 1683 01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.960 within the framework of a soul's school reality that has 1684 01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:54.399 pretty flexible physics. That's what I think this is. So 1685 01:28:55.000 --> 01:28:58.000 most things are on the table. I just try, I 1686 01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:00.800 guess I try to be honest about if it's speculative 1687 01:29:01.079 --> 01:29:02.840 or if we have a pretty good case to make. 1688 01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:05.920 That used to be the whole way I would structure 1689 01:29:05.960 --> 01:29:08.640 the show is, here's the person who wrote a book 1690 01:29:08.720 --> 01:29:13.039 on Laurel Canyon being in operation. Let's have them. I'm 1691 01:29:13.039 --> 01:29:15.520 gonna help him make the case. I've read the material, 1692 01:29:15.560 --> 01:29:18.760 I'm familiar with it. Sometimes it's complex. Sometimes authors aren't 1693 01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:22.279 the best speakers. I'm here to help synthesize this complex 1694 01:29:22.319 --> 01:29:25.079 material for the layman, and you make up your own 1695 01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:28.279 mind how good a case we made when the interview 1696 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:32.640 is over, and sometimes like sometimes it's ironclad. Sometimes it 1697 01:29:32.760 --> 01:29:34.800 changes the way you think about something forever, and other 1698 01:29:34.880 --> 01:29:37.439 times you're like, huh, if those are the best arguments 1699 01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:39.439 for that, then I think it's a little flimsy. And 1700 01:29:40.199 --> 01:29:43.000 that's just kind of the general approach I would go 1701 01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:44.840 about all the stuff we look at. 1702 01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.520 I'm just kind of curious in terms of what resonates 1703 01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:51.840 with your audience. I know you've gone through multiple eras. 1704 01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:54.119 I don't know how many, you know, fifteen years. That's 1705 01:29:54.119 --> 01:29:57.199 a long time in the world of the internet. Yeah, yeah, 1706 01:29:57.239 --> 01:30:00.640 But like what really clicks with people, what it gets 1707 01:30:00.680 --> 01:30:03.520 the most engagement and stuff like that, and maybe also 1708 01:30:03.560 --> 01:30:08.800 to what gets the most engagement and what resonates that 1709 01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:13.159 you didn't think necessarily would, what surprise you in that regard. 1710 01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:17.119 Well, what resonates that doesn't surprise me as like synchro 1711 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.159 mysticism stuff and really stuff adjacent to what you do. 1712 01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:24.039 I think people love to see those examples. So first, 1713 01:30:24.079 --> 01:30:25.760 I always say that I think a lot of us 1714 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:28.560 get into conspiracy because there is a charge that you 1715 01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:32.600 get from your first like crack in an official narrative, 1716 01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:35.560 You're like, WHOA, something didn't look right about that, But 1717 01:30:35.600 --> 01:30:37.520 now I saw a documentary that showed me what it 1718 01:30:37.560 --> 01:30:40.159 really was, and that that has changed my life. Now 1719 01:30:40.199 --> 01:30:42.319 if everyone could just watch the documentary, we'd be able 1720 01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:44.520 to fix it. That's where it all falls apart, because 1721 01:30:44.560 --> 01:30:46.199 you have people in your life who won't even look 1722 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.840 at it, and when even ones who do, who definitely 1723 01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:53.880 won't go there or change their worldview at all. So 1724 01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:57.880 the charge thing, I think that charge starts to wane 1725 01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.039 over time. It's hard to get that charge again. It's 1726 01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:03.760 hard to really blow your mind with a totally new subject. 1727 01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:07.399 But what does it for me is synchronistic examples. Because 1728 01:31:07.439 --> 01:31:10.920 there's many of them, and you're just like wow. The 1729 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.840 first atomic test is called the Trinity test. It's on 1730 01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:17.199 it's in Truth and Consequences, New Mexico. It's on the 1731 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:20.119 same parallel as this and that, Like you build a case. 1732 01:31:20.119 --> 01:31:22.399 It's like, wow, that is a much weirder event. And 1733 01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:26.439 then you cross over into pop culture and media and 1734 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.479 examples that pre date this and that and the foreshadowing. 1735 01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:31.720 The Lone Gunman example with nine to eleven is a 1736 01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:34.199 great one. The Loan Gunman, for people who don't know, 1737 01:31:34.319 --> 01:31:38.039 was an offshoot of The X Files and the pilot episode. 1738 01:31:38.239 --> 01:31:42.399 They lay out a plan for nine to eleven and 1739 01:31:42.439 --> 01:31:44.880 then they just pulled the episode. It's like, well that happened. 1740 01:31:44.920 --> 01:31:47.479 It's like, yeah, I mean, what's going on. Are the 1741 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:50.640 writers of the reality script the same as the Hollywood writers. 1742 01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:54.159 I don't so those examples because they keep coming up. 1743 01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:58.439 I think are fun and I think people resonate with 1744 01:31:58.479 --> 01:32:01.439 it because they like what it cites the host. I guess, 1745 01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:03.600 you know, we're on this journey together. If I'm excited 1746 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:07.279 and enjoyed, then sure. But I think the surprising one 1747 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:13.079 probably is the health stuff. Like somewhere along the line, 1748 01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:18.439 I pivoted away from the naive thought that if we 1749 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:21.960 could just tell everybody and get more numbers, we could 1750 01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:24.560 topple this system and everybody live in a much better 1751 01:32:24.680 --> 01:32:27.720 reality and a utopia and this and that, and then 1752 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:30.439 I eventually was like, oh, no, that isn't really what 1753 01:32:30.560 --> 01:32:33.279 you do. You learn about this stuff so that you 1754 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:35.520 can live a better life as an individual and the 1755 01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:38.560 people around you, and be a better example of how 1756 01:32:38.880 --> 01:32:41.640 a better understanding of the deeper world can serve you 1757 01:32:41.840 --> 01:32:47.079 in a good way. And through your example, you buck 1758 01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:52.880 that trend of conspiracy theorists looking like paranoid tinfoil hatters 1759 01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:55.479 in a bunker somewhere. You know, actually, no, I'm living 1760 01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:57.680 a pretty good life. And you know, COVID was great 1761 01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:00.880 for that because I even I'm I'm not gonna dig 1762 01:33:00.880 --> 01:33:03.079 through it, but I have I have some pieces of 1763 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:07.000 art around that kind of really did the whole that 1764 01:33:07.159 --> 01:33:10.640 signify the meme that was going around at the time, really, 1765 01:33:10.680 --> 01:33:14.399 which is like, here's a conspiracy theorist and it's just 1766 01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:17.520 like a family having dinner. And then it's like here's 1767 01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:22.039 here's a person who you know is a is a 1768 01:33:22.239 --> 01:33:26.279 logical mainstream thinker, and they're like wrapping themselves up in 1769 01:33:26.319 --> 01:33:31.399 plastic bags in while swimming, and it's like, yeah, it 1770 01:33:31.560 --> 01:33:33.760 flipped the script COVID did. It was like, oh, the 1771 01:33:33.800 --> 01:33:36.760 conspiracy theorists is the person who's just living their life, 1772 01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:40.079 not in a state of fear and panic, and the 1773 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.319 regular person, the norm me as they say, is like 1774 01:33:44.199 --> 01:33:47.720 going to clarinet practice through a bubble and the stuff 1775 01:33:47.720 --> 01:33:51.039 that you were seeing everywhere. So that kind of flipped it. 1776 01:33:51.039 --> 01:33:53.560 But I like to try to flip the the archetype 1777 01:33:53.560 --> 01:33:56.800 of the paranoid conspiracy person by living a better example 1778 01:33:56.880 --> 01:33:59.680 talking about this stuff without screaming and shouting like Alex 1779 01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:03.479 Jones might. And I don't know, I kind of lost 1780 01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:04.279 the thread there, but. 1781 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:05.119 There you go. 1782 01:34:05.199 --> 01:34:07.239 No, you brought up COVID, And actually I'm just curious. 1783 01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:10.000 Was COVID a boon for THHC. 1784 01:34:10.600 --> 01:34:11.239 For a time? 1785 01:34:11.479 --> 01:34:14.399 Yeah, for a time. So part of the reason I'm 1786 01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:18.479 doing the transition to video is numbers have dropped off 1787 01:34:18.520 --> 01:34:20.399 a little bit, and I don't I'm not in any 1788 01:34:20.439 --> 01:34:23.279 Trouble's not that big of a deal. I don't even 1789 01:34:23.279 --> 01:34:25.760 pay attention to the first hour numbers because I don't 1790 01:34:25.760 --> 01:34:27.760 do AD so I don't get anything from it. It's 1791 01:34:27.840 --> 01:34:31.039 just a feeder for people who want to get the 1792 01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:33.680 deeper experience for eight bucks a month. But the free 1793 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:38.079 show numbers have dropped since twenty twenty two, and I 1794 01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:40.600 think there's a bunch of reasons. I think COVID is 1795 01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:44.199 a big reason. So people say across the media landscape, 1796 01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:45.760 we were all stuck at home with nothing to do 1797 01:34:45.800 --> 01:34:48.239 but consume media. Everybody's numbers went up and then they 1798 01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:50.560 slowly went down a little bit when people got out 1799 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.079 of that. The other thing in podcasting in particular is 1800 01:34:54.119 --> 01:34:57.840 that Apple changed their metric system. They used to auto 1801 01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:00.199 download all these shows for people, and now we be 1802 01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:02.720 a hit. And a lot of people said when they 1803 01:35:02.880 --> 01:35:05.600 when Apple flipped the switch, their numbers went down twenty 1804 01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:08.760 thirty percent. Why not even that. I'm not even in 1805 01:35:08.800 --> 01:35:11.199 that big of a such a bad of a situation, 1806 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.600 but a couple of these two things together happening within 1807 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.640 the same year, and then add the fact that I'm 1808 01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:19.720 not on YouTube anymore really, and I'm not doing video. 1809 01:35:19.840 --> 01:35:23.119 I think all those things contributed to my numbers being down. 1810 01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:27.439 But since the peak, which was probably twenty twenty two, 1811 01:35:27.439 --> 01:35:30.880 I probably had the best numbers of my whole time 1812 01:35:30.920 --> 01:35:34.920 in podcasting between twenty twenty and twenty twenty two. I 1813 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:36.960 think that's probably common that. I think a lot of 1814 01:35:37.000 --> 01:35:39.039 people would say that interesting. 1815 01:35:40.039 --> 01:35:43.079 Also the competition, so a lot of people stayed home 1816 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:44.319 and probably started podcasts. 1817 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:50.960 Right, Yeah, that's a whole other factor. Okay, Greg, I 1818 01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:53.560 have got a quick last one. I was told to 1819 01:35:53.760 --> 01:35:55.119 make sure I get it in, So I'm going to 1820 01:35:55.159 --> 01:35:57.880 credit Lisa for bringing up the idea of meta theology. 1821 01:35:58.319 --> 01:36:00.960 So I want to ask you, do you are you 1822 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:07.520 hyper Uranian closed model of the universe believer or perhaps 1823 01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:14.640 a trans Plutonian open, expansive infinite in its expanse universe enjoyer. 1824 01:36:15.479 --> 01:36:17.880 Man, I you're talking over my head, but if you're 1825 01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:20.560 basically asking is it a closed system or an open system? 1826 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:23.960 I do think that's like a really fundamental question, and 1827 01:36:24.199 --> 01:36:28.159 people I admire thinkers I admire, and have both opinions. 1828 01:36:28.560 --> 01:36:30.720 Gordon White's been on the show a bunch more than 1829 01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:34.560 anyone really, but we did an episode where he made 1830 01:36:34.560 --> 01:36:37.039 his case for that and said, like, the Earth is 1831 01:36:37.239 --> 01:36:41.600 more like a reef if you scale it up. There's 1832 01:36:41.640 --> 01:36:45.560 a cosmic ocean and Earth is just a shore on 1833 01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:47.960 that ocean. So he has like the it's an open 1834 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:51.760 system mindset, and in the time since then, the closed 1835 01:36:51.800 --> 01:36:55.720 system has become way more popular. It's obviously the flat 1836 01:36:55.760 --> 01:36:57.520 earth is a closed system. But even if you're not 1837 01:36:57.600 --> 01:36:59.800 flat Earth, you might believe in the Van Allen radiation, 1838 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:03.119 you might believe in some kind of dome. You might 1839 01:37:03.159 --> 01:37:08.119 think the rockets don't go anywhere. So it is kind 1840 01:37:08.119 --> 01:37:11.800 of difficult. Like with the rockets thing, that's kind of 1841 01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:13.920 the where I look for is it an open or 1842 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:16.239 closed system? And I think when you watch the rocket 1843 01:37:16.279 --> 01:37:20.119 launches and you watch them to the end, it looks 1844 01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:23.560 like they hit something or they spin out, like if 1845 01:37:23.600 --> 01:37:26.039 you look at a drone shot a bird's eye view 1846 01:37:26.239 --> 01:37:30.319 of a speedboat in the ocean and the wave pattern 1847 01:37:30.359 --> 01:37:34.039 it makes behind it when it changes direction. That is 1848 01:37:34.079 --> 01:37:36.920 what I see with these rockets. I don't see them 1849 01:37:36.960 --> 01:37:39.239 slowly fade out of view and like go off in 1850 01:37:39.640 --> 01:37:42.079 the space. They seem to like do a thing where 1851 01:37:42.079 --> 01:37:46.359 they they create a huge disturbance, as if they're going 1852 01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:49.680 through water. And that's just an observer thing. We know 1853 01:37:49.800 --> 01:37:52.479 we can't trust of the observer effect one hundred percent, 1854 01:37:52.560 --> 01:37:55.960 but in this world it's something to go on. But 1855 01:37:56.000 --> 01:38:01.680 then it's like, so it's like things come into the system, 1856 01:38:02.039 --> 01:38:03.880 and that's where I kind of get this. Like a 1857 01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:06.560 lot of my guests recently have been using the term realm. 1858 01:38:06.760 --> 01:38:09.079 They just say realm to get past the flat earth, 1859 01:38:09.840 --> 01:38:13.000 round earth thing. And I like saying realm because I 1860 01:38:13.039 --> 01:38:16.279 do think in kind of the older models, the Greek 1861 01:38:16.319 --> 01:38:19.439 model of stacked realities, like you go up to a 1862 01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:23.079 spiritual plane, like what is up? Really? I don't really know, 1863 01:38:23.159 --> 01:38:26.399 but it seems like there are higher dimensional intelligences that 1864 01:38:26.439 --> 01:38:30.159 we have communications with. They're somewhere. They're not in this 1865 01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:33.479 system exactly, but very close to it. The next system over, 1866 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:37.840 which seems to be described as higher in some form 1867 01:38:37.880 --> 01:38:41.119 or fashion. And so I think I'm I think I'm 1868 01:38:41.119 --> 01:38:45.720 an open system. Probably it could be a closed system, 1869 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:47.880 but a much bigger one than it's presented as. 1870 01:38:49.159 --> 01:38:50.760 Okay, well, I have a follow up for you, Greg, 1871 01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:52.279 since wait, I want to know where you are on 1872 01:38:52.399 --> 01:38:55.520 open or closed system. I'm an open I'm an open system. 1873 01:38:55.920 --> 01:38:59.560 I believe in the infinite capacity for loving kindness personally 1874 01:39:00.119 --> 01:39:04.000 body Cheeta, I'd argue with that, Yeah, sure you because 1875 01:39:04.000 --> 01:39:06.720 I followed Dharma, so you know I'm serious about it. 1876 01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:11.279 I may have that Discordian, that trickster sometimes a personality online. 1877 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:15.920 But the way I present my show is it's a serious, 1878 01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:19.119 speculative show. So I treat it maybe the opposite way 1879 01:39:19.119 --> 01:39:21.239 that you do, but I think maybe in the same 1880 01:39:21.239 --> 01:39:22.079 polarity I. 1881 01:39:22.039 --> 01:39:25.760 Would, I would describe mine as as serious and speculative. 1882 01:39:27.319 --> 01:39:30.720 I think you're serious, but I think you you really 1883 01:39:30.760 --> 01:39:33.560 go for the material and I and I really look 1884 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:36.760 for the seed and sort of play with it. That's 1885 01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:38.239 sort of how I approach it. I mean, I'm not 1886 01:39:38.279 --> 01:39:40.960 saying it's definitely, it's not opposite. 1887 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:42.399 To you at all, just I mean your better. 1888 01:39:45.760 --> 01:39:49.520 Well, I have a follow up for you, Hyperspace Kingdoms 1889 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:52.520 and the pink Ray. Where do you fall on those things? 1890 01:39:52.800 --> 01:39:55.239 Hyperspace kingdoms and what was the other one? And the 1891 01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:57.600 pink Ray? I don't think I know what the pink 1892 01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:00.960 ray is? Is that the then people are seeing in 1893 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:01.680 their dreams? 1894 01:40:02.199 --> 01:40:02.720 Philip K. 1895 01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:04.399 Dick saw the pink Ray? 1896 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:08.840 Oh okay, I just a little bit too. 1897 01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:09.199 Yeah. 1898 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:10.640 But is that a Jenuflex then? 1899 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:12.560 Uh? 1900 01:40:12.960 --> 01:40:14.920 Yeah, I mean it is from Jenny Flex, but she 1901 01:40:15.039 --> 01:40:16.520 was not the first one. I mean, we have it 1902 01:40:16.560 --> 01:40:20.720 in Vadriana. We have it in Jia, all the contras, 1903 01:40:20.840 --> 01:40:24.880 like all her like all magic. Basically, the pink is 1904 01:40:24.880 --> 01:40:28.359 a spectral color. It's the color of the crystal millennium kingdom, 1905 01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:30.279 if you want to call it that, the kingdom of you, 1906 01:40:30.399 --> 01:40:33.039 so the kingdom of the moon. So it's it's the 1907 01:40:33.079 --> 01:40:36.159 truth in a way, and it's the relative truth because 1908 01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:39.680 it gives contour to the things that arise around it 1909 01:40:39.760 --> 01:40:42.840 and from it, meaning the crown cather. So that's why 1910 01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:45.239 it can also be likened to a five pedaled flower, 1911 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:50.119 like a rose anyway, So it's a it's a it's 1912 01:40:50.119 --> 01:40:52.439 not a real color. It's something our mind sort of 1913 01:40:52.479 --> 01:40:55.439 projects onto the world. And that's why it's best exemplified 1914 01:40:55.439 --> 01:40:58.479 as a flower, because it only exists in time, which 1915 01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:02.600 is also contained in the mind. It's only temporary spectral. 1916 01:41:03.880 --> 01:41:07.960 Very interesting when the hyperspace kingdoms thing I take to mean, 1917 01:41:08.039 --> 01:41:10.079 I mean when I would interview Tracy, we would talk 1918 01:41:10.079 --> 01:41:15.039 about it, it was always so Masonic adjacent that the 1919 01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.439 kind of the premise was that through ritual, a certain 1920 01:41:19.680 --> 01:41:22.159 group of people, maybe many, have figured out a way 1921 01:41:22.159 --> 01:41:26.880 to unlock space is in hyperspace that you can repeatedly 1922 01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:29.560 go to. It makes me just think that they would 1923 01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:31.479 go there to have meetings that no one could spy 1924 01:41:31.600 --> 01:41:34.119 on because you're out of body in some space and 1925 01:41:34.359 --> 01:41:36.479 maybe you're living a whole life out there, because who 1926 01:41:36.560 --> 01:41:39.079 knows how time works, it does work strange in the 1927 01:41:39.119 --> 01:41:43.159 dream world. When people talk about Egyptian immortality, is that 1928 01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:46.640 what they're talking about that people found a way to 1929 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:49.960 project their consciousness to another plane where you could live 1930 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:52.479 out what felt like lifetimes in a matter of minutes, 1931 01:41:52.520 --> 01:41:54.640 and then do it repeatedly because you got nothing else 1932 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:57.399 to do and there's no TV or anything, so you 1933 01:41:57.560 --> 01:42:01.119 just dedicate yourself to further exploring that, and then you're 1934 01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:04.600 living in immortality. I think hyperspace kingdoms, if that's the 1935 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:08.640 concept that they might be repeated, repeatable places you can 1936 01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:11.439 go in the astral body, then I mean, I definitely 1937 01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.159 think that's a real thing and probably one of the 1938 01:42:14.159 --> 01:42:18.159 big secrets of secret societies, because especially in the past, 1939 01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:21.239 there's nothing else. There's like what can I do out 1940 01:42:21.279 --> 01:42:23.239 of body? And then like what is the orgasm? And 1941 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:25.199 that's what a lot of secret society has explored. 1942 01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:28.960 I think, Sorry, really, I. 1943 01:42:28.920 --> 01:42:31.319 Was gonna say the witches Sabbath, how they all meet 1944 01:42:31.399 --> 01:42:35.640 on the mountain a certain time of year through astral travel, 1945 01:42:35.880 --> 01:42:38.640 et cetera. Yeah, go ahead, Nick. 1946 01:42:39.640 --> 01:42:42.920 No, no, Greg. I'm assuming you're probably just from my 1947 01:42:43.039 --> 01:42:47.359 Facebook and a Facebook Jesus Christ Facebook Twitter x page. 1948 01:42:47.359 --> 01:42:49.680 You might have noticed the logo that Mario created for 1949 01:42:49.800 --> 01:42:53.239 us if you happen to notice the the you know, 1950 01:42:53.319 --> 01:42:58.199 the the eclipse with a movie film coming out of it. Yes, 1951 01:42:58.279 --> 01:43:01.159 when I have had magical experience, it's something very much 1952 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:03.680 looking like that, And every one of those squares looks 1953 01:43:03.680 --> 01:43:05.439 like a different time and place, And I do think 1954 01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:08.039 you can entertain the fact of actually choosing those to 1955 01:43:08.079 --> 01:43:11.079 go into because you can just take Yeah, either that 1956 01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:12.720 or I think you're just gonna blast off and your 1957 01:43:12.720 --> 01:43:13.800 soul is going to slip out of you. 1958 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:20.520 I did have a couple of salvia experiences that were 1959 01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:26.039 kind of like that, and mine were fine, but I've 1960 01:43:26.119 --> 01:43:28.880 read once I had a crazy salvia experience. I went 1961 01:43:28.960 --> 01:43:31.880 reading other reports, and some of those reports are terrifying, 1962 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:36.159 where they will say their consciousness was projected into a 1963 01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:39.760 wooden table and a diner and they existed as a table, 1964 01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:45.840 trapped consciousness in a table for what felt like twenty years, 1965 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:48.880 and then they came back to their body. Other people 1966 01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:54.119 described that they went their consciousness was projected into basically 1967 01:43:54.159 --> 01:43:56.439 another body, and they lived a full life, and they 1968 01:43:56.439 --> 01:43:58.159 fell in love with a woman, and they had a 1969 01:43:58.199 --> 01:44:00.960 family of five, and then they were put back in 1970 01:44:01.000 --> 01:44:04.279 their body in their dorm room and they're like, wait 1971 01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:09.079 a second, the family I had is not real. Oh, 1972 01:44:09.119 --> 01:44:12.079 and then they experienced the loss of their entire family 1973 01:44:12.199 --> 01:44:15.399 quote unquote, and some never come out of that depression. 1974 01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:17.439 So I put salvia down because I was a little 1975 01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:21.319 worried of that kind of thing, but my experience made 1976 01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:24.880 it possible to understand how that could happen. But I'm 1977 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:27.399 just very lucky that it was never torturous. It was 1978 01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:30.359 always just like it was enough to blow the doors 1979 01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:35.760 off materialism, but it wasn't much scarier than that. 1980 01:44:35.800 --> 01:44:41.079 Interesting, did anybody else have any more questions anything? 1981 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:45.560 You know, it's a really straightforward, kind of mundane question. 1982 01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:47.680 But how long did it take before you knew that 1983 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.720 higher side was a viable, you know, career for you? 1984 01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:54.399 Because I think it's important to kind of talk about 1985 01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:57.319 sometimes because people start projects and they think it should 1986 01:44:57.720 --> 01:45:02.199 be successful way sooner than you know, what they kind 1987 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:05.039 of know things to actually like be like out there, 1988 01:45:05.359 --> 01:45:07.880 you know, in terms of getting traction and engagement and 1989 01:45:07.880 --> 01:45:09.720 stuff like that. So how long did it take you 1990 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:11.319 for you to kind of know that. 1991 01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:14.199 Well, the numbers are a little fuzzy to me now, 1992 01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:17.000 but I did make a roadmap that is on my 1993 01:45:17.039 --> 01:45:19.319 about page that anyone could check out, and that is 1994 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:23.000 the real numbers. But if I remember correctly, I mean 1995 01:45:23.000 --> 01:45:29.079 I started the show in twenty ten, and I changed 1996 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:31.760 it around until it felt like something I would listen to, 1997 01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:33.680 and then I kept doing that for several years, and 1998 01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:36.039 I think I quit my job in twenty fourteen. I 1999 01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:39.680 think I did it for four years without making any money. 2000 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:42.000 I mean I did do something called the money Bomb, 2001 01:45:42.000 --> 01:45:43.640 which was creative. I don't want to go too deep 2002 01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:47.319 on every part of the story, but I had this 2003 01:45:47.479 --> 01:45:51.039 idea that if people just donated, then I would take 2004 01:45:51.079 --> 01:45:54.239 half those donations every month and give half to a 2005 01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:57.199 random listener and keep half. And I was kind of 2006 01:45:57.279 --> 01:46:00.399 running an a legal international fifty to fifty raffle. So 2007 01:46:00.479 --> 01:46:03.359 I stopped doing that because I was afraised, I was 2008 01:46:03.359 --> 01:46:04.119 too exposed. 2009 01:46:04.119 --> 01:46:04.640 But it was a. 2010 01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:07.840 Pretty cool thing, and there would be times where I'm 2011 01:46:07.920 --> 01:46:12.359 dropping like a thousand two thousand bucks in someone's lap 2012 01:46:12.399 --> 01:46:14.840 and they're like, I've never gotten this kind of a 2013 01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:18.000 gift from anyone, And I would have agreed up to 2014 01:46:18.039 --> 01:46:20.600 that point, you know, so that that was cool. And 2015 01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:24.479 then the donation basis, I started getting people who would 2016 01:46:24.520 --> 01:46:26.720 donate a thousand bucks at a time, and then those 2017 01:46:26.760 --> 01:46:30.039 donations came with their guest lists, and then I was like, 2018 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:33.199 oh shit, okay, so now I'm like, depending on your income, 2019 01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:36.119 you've given me one thousand dollars five months in a row, 2020 01:46:36.159 --> 01:46:37.920 and now you want me to interview these two people, 2021 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:39.680 and I don't want to do it, and then the 2022 01:46:39.680 --> 01:46:43.000 money goes away, and that's when I thought of doing PLUS. 2023 01:46:43.039 --> 01:46:45.439 I was like, Okay, how do we McDon McDonald's this 2024 01:46:45.520 --> 01:46:47.880 thing and just get a little bit of money from 2025 01:46:47.920 --> 01:46:52.920 all these people listening? And that was probably so I 2026 01:46:53.000 --> 01:46:56.520 quit my job in twenty fourteen, still on the donation thing, 2027 01:46:56.720 --> 01:46:59.279 still on the money bomb. And then a year after that, 2028 01:46:59.399 --> 01:47:01.560 I think I started Plus. And then I remember on 2029 01:47:01.600 --> 01:47:05.319 my doorframe I had, like you chart a kid's height, 2030 01:47:05.760 --> 01:47:07.920 and I was like, I need to get to a thousand. 2031 01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:10.800 If I can get a thousand people to pay me 2032 01:47:10.880 --> 01:47:14.079 five bucks a month, I've just doubled my game, stop 2033 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:17.159 income and then I can be done. And it's been 2034 01:47:17.359 --> 01:47:19.800 everything else has been gravy. So I've been really lucky. 2035 01:47:19.840 --> 01:47:22.279 When you really think about what it takes to make 2036 01:47:22.359 --> 01:47:26.159 money online and start your own thing, you need. I 2037 01:47:26.199 --> 01:47:28.760 forgot who's said a thousand true fans, but a thousand 2038 01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:31.520 people who will pay you five bucks a month or 2039 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.159 fifty bucks a year. And you make fifty thousand dollars 2040 01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:37.520 a year. That's more than a lot of jobs pay. 2041 01:47:38.199 --> 01:47:39.880 And if you want to scale it up for inflation, 2042 01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:43.479 say two thousand. You know, if you can make If 2043 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.279 you can get two thousand people to like what you 2044 01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:51.039 do enough to contribute five bucks, it's not a small 2045 01:47:51.039 --> 01:47:55.640 amount of money. So yeah, I think I quit. I 2046 01:47:55.720 --> 01:47:58.640 quit when I had to quit, So, uh, my boss 2047 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:01.560 started to see through me. So he started to see 2048 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:04.399 that my heart wasn't in it, that I wasn't paying 2049 01:48:04.399 --> 01:48:08.079 as much attention to the finer details, and he was like, 2050 01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.680 I want you to come in for a meeting because 2051 01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:12.840 like your performance is slipping really bad. And I said, 2052 01:48:12.880 --> 01:48:16.279 let me just step in and say I quit because 2053 01:48:16.279 --> 01:48:19.439 I've been doing this show and it's now like, you know, 2054 01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:22.119 the jig is up. You know, you caught me. I 2055 01:48:22.119 --> 01:48:24.119 have this other thing going, and I think that I'm 2056 01:48:24.159 --> 01:48:25.960 just going to dedicate all my time to that because 2057 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:27.920 I'm not going to be able to reapply the energy 2058 01:48:27.960 --> 01:48:30.159 that I had applied previously, and now that you already 2059 01:48:30.159 --> 01:48:34.520 are onto me, and I can't hide behind people who 2060 01:48:34.560 --> 01:48:37.159 are doing worse, then let's just call it in. And 2061 01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:39.359 it was hard for the first couple of years for sure, 2062 01:48:39.399 --> 01:48:42.600 but you know, and again, like a thousand people's what 2063 01:48:42.680 --> 01:48:44.800 you was my metric I wanted to hit. It's not 2064 01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:46.479 what I went. It's not like I went from zero 2065 01:48:46.520 --> 01:48:49.239 to a thousand, you know, even five hundred people. Now 2066 01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:51.039 I'm making the same amount of money I made at 2067 01:48:51.039 --> 01:48:53.800 game Stop. Isn't that sad that it only takes five 2068 01:48:53.920 --> 01:48:56.760 hundred people at five dollars a month to make the 2069 01:48:56.800 --> 01:49:00.000 same as a dedicated store manager of a two million 2070 01:49:00.159 --> 01:49:03.560 dollar store for a corporation that's making billions of dollars. 2071 01:49:03.960 --> 01:49:07.680 Not fucking sad, But that's the the silver lining is 2072 01:49:07.760 --> 01:49:10.920 like when you launch something, whether it's a physical product, 2073 01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:13.119 when you put yourself out there, you realize, hey, we're 2074 01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:16.119 all bred to be consumers, So give them some to consume. 2075 01:49:16.680 --> 01:49:19.359 Mm hmm h. Exactly. I'm guilty too. You know, I 2076 01:49:19.359 --> 01:49:23.159 don't say that like with any kind of judgment. I 2077 01:49:23.159 --> 01:49:25.920 mean I consume like the best of them, and uh 2078 01:49:26.199 --> 01:49:28.439 just it's also like, if you want to just be 2079 01:49:28.479 --> 01:49:30.359 a consumer, great, but if you want to take advantage 2080 01:49:30.359 --> 01:49:32.199 of the culture that's been crafted and the way we've 2081 01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:35.359 all been programmed, give people a product and some people 2082 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:35.960 will find it. 2083 01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:39.520 Well, and you're passionate about it. It's not fake. So 2084 01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:40.640 I listen to your show. 2085 01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:43.600 So that's that's the big That's the big thing right there, 2086 01:49:43.680 --> 01:49:46.319 is you have to have the fire behind what you're 2087 01:49:46.319 --> 01:49:48.960 doing or people just you know, they sense it and. 2088 01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:52.920 They are sometimes the so much not wanting to go 2089 01:49:52.960 --> 01:49:54.199 back to that life. 2090 01:49:54.760 --> 01:49:58.119 Right, I can understand that. That's a good point. Yeah, right, 2091 01:49:58.279 --> 01:49:59.800 Uh one thing I mean I did want to bring 2092 01:49:59.920 --> 01:50:01.159 up and I feel like it was like so like 2093 01:50:01.199 --> 01:50:04.680 forty five minutes ago, but like you know, and then 2094 01:50:04.680 --> 01:50:06.920 maybeopill wrap it up on samebody's got all the questions. 2095 01:50:06.960 --> 01:50:09.720 But uh, I would say, with the amount of time 2096 01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:12.800 that you've been around when it came to conspiracy theories, 2097 01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:15.760 in probably I guess maybe even the occult world at 2098 01:50:15.800 --> 01:50:19.039 the beginning do you remember anybody ever picking sides politically? 2099 01:50:20.640 --> 01:50:23.079 Hmmm, I mean that is a good question. It definitely 2100 01:50:23.359 --> 01:50:28.239 was less politicized right. In fact, I was liberal in 2101 01:50:28.279 --> 01:50:30.680 college and when I started I think I still remained 2102 01:50:31.159 --> 01:50:33.760 kind of a liberal person, because liberal to me was 2103 01:50:33.840 --> 01:50:37.039 just like compassionate. It's not like I trusted the government 2104 01:50:37.039 --> 01:50:39.319 and I wanted a nanny state and wanted to delegate 2105 01:50:39.359 --> 01:50:41.920 more of my taxes to the government, or thought they 2106 01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:44.800 were efficient or even genuine at what they said they 2107 01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:48.000 would do with said taxes. But I just thought the 2108 01:50:48.119 --> 01:50:51.680 right was very cold and kind of shitty to people 2109 01:50:51.720 --> 01:50:55.720 who had been manipulated, people who couldn't climb the economic ladder. 2110 01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:57.359 It was just very like, we'll play yourself up by 2111 01:50:57.359 --> 01:50:59.399 the bootstress man. I don't see what the problem is. Well, 2112 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:02.279 the problem is that my parents, my parents' parents, no 2113 01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:04.359 one's been giving a fucking chance, and now I'm thrown 2114 01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:07.279 into this goddamn mix with an education system that is 2115 01:51:07.319 --> 01:51:10.760 programming me not to be successful but beat a cog 2116 01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:13.840 in someone else's big machine. That's the fucking problem, you know. 2117 01:51:13.920 --> 01:51:17.119 So I had a lot of compassion for regular folks 2118 01:51:17.119 --> 01:51:19.800 because I was one, and those were the days where 2119 01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:23.079 the bad guy was sculling bones and George W. Bush 2120 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.640 and nine to eleven and the war in Iraq. That 2121 01:51:25.840 --> 01:51:29.359 was the big boogeyman kind of thing going on. So yeah, 2122 01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:33.119 but man have been shifted. But now it's like part 2123 01:51:33.159 --> 01:51:37.159 of the Republican platform to be kind of conspiratorially minded, 2124 01:51:37.199 --> 01:51:40.920 and that's a really radical shift. That's why again I 2125 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:43.880 don't identify with any labels or get too caught up 2126 01:51:43.880 --> 01:51:47.479 in any personal perspective because I would have said I 2127 01:51:47.560 --> 01:51:50.319 was liberal back then, and now I'm like embarrassed to 2128 01:51:50.359 --> 01:51:52.960 say that, and it's like I can't. I don't really 2129 01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:56.199 want to erase my past, but I definitely don't necessarily 2130 01:51:56.199 --> 01:51:59.000 bring it up all the time because it means something 2131 01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:04.880 different now than it did in twenty ten. So it's difficult, 2132 01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:09.399 but definitely things are politicized, and I hate the fact 2133 01:52:09.439 --> 01:52:13.640 that going in the middle makes nobody happy because a 2134 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:16.199 lot of people want you to choose a side. So 2135 01:52:16.439 --> 01:52:20.399 if you say, well, I originally thought Kamela and Biden 2136 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:23.760 and that whole apparatus would have been terrible, but DOJ 2137 01:52:23.880 --> 01:52:26.479 is really just clearing people out for AI to take 2138 01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:29.520 over a lot of the middle management of the entire government. 2139 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:32.640 People say, oh, you're just a DeBie downer, like, don't 2140 01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:36.520 be so blackpilled, have some faith faith in another elected 2141 01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:39.600 leader when we can already chart they all come from 2142 01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:46.319 Freemason's skull and bones, Bohemian grove, have Israeli passports, you know, 2143 01:52:46.720 --> 01:52:50.079 name your thing. But with like five organizations, you can 2144 01:52:50.159 --> 01:52:53.359 hit eighty five percent of presidents for sure, and then 2145 01:52:53.359 --> 01:52:55.479 the other fifteen are probably in there too. We just 2146 01:52:55.520 --> 01:52:57.479 don't know. So I'm going to go with the track 2147 01:52:57.560 --> 01:52:59.880 record and not trust anyone who can earn that position. 2148 01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:03.039 That's a good point. And there are actually all the 2149 01:53:03.079 --> 01:53:06.359 presidents are members of one specific secret society, and that's 2150 01:53:06.399 --> 01:53:10.520 the secret society that started America, the Society of Cincinnati, 2151 01:53:11.000 --> 01:53:16.000 started by George Washington and his officers and exists today. 2152 01:53:16.039 --> 01:53:17.880 So most of the powerful names you see in American 2153 01:53:17.880 --> 01:53:23.279 culture and in politics are hereditary members, from bloodline descendants 2154 01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:24.319 from the original members. 2155 01:53:24.640 --> 01:53:27.000 See I've heard that, but I've never I've never heard 2156 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:29.039 it exalted to like that high of a level. 2157 01:53:29.960 --> 01:53:35.600 So you're, yeah, president also gets membership. It's so you know, 2158 01:53:36.119 --> 01:53:41.800 you know, I agree. There is some Freemasons, I think. 2159 01:53:45.000 --> 01:53:49.840 In Cincinnatis Cincinnatison that since was the one that was 2160 01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:53.479 working the farm life, and the Roman government needed him, 2161 01:53:53.760 --> 01:53:56.600 so he went in, he did his state craft, and 2162 01:53:56.640 --> 01:53:59.239 when he was done, he left and went back to 2163 01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:02.520 his farm. So it's this idea that every citizen should 2164 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:07.000 participate within the governmental process. And then well, you know, 2165 01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:10.960 and with the Society of Cincinnati's generally high level military 2166 01:54:11.159 --> 01:54:14.560 presidential JJ would know more about that. 2167 01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:17.720 I'm back back. 2168 01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:19.720 Now. 2169 01:54:19.880 --> 01:54:21.760 It's yeah, I mean, it's every It's so it's the 2170 01:54:21.880 --> 01:54:24.159 officers of Washington's army, and Washington a lot of the 2171 01:54:24.199 --> 01:54:28.000 founding fathers and all of their now paternal hereditary descendants, 2172 01:54:28.039 --> 01:54:32.840 so paternal bloodlines, but includes French folks too, so but 2173 01:54:33.079 --> 01:54:36.199 it's uh, basically a lot of generals, a lot of politicians. 2174 01:54:36.279 --> 01:54:38.880 John McCain would be a great example, John McCain, the 2175 01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:42.359 former US Senator. He was John McCain number three. His 2176 01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:45.840 dad was John McCain junior. John McCain senior, Senior and 2177 01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:48.840 junior were the only two four star essentially four star 2178 01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:52.000 general father and son combo and American histories, and they 2179 01:54:52.000 --> 01:54:54.560 were both members of the Society of Cincinnati. You know, 2180 01:54:54.680 --> 01:54:57.560 paternal heritage wise, so I presume John. 2181 01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:03.960 Oh Man, Oh, they're messing with him, yeah, or it's 2182 01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:06.359 bay connection and moving his hand eats too much bandwidth. 2183 01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:11.880 To your point, Greg about the whole change and Doge 2184 01:55:12.000 --> 01:55:13.840 and everything. I just thought it was funny that we're 2185 01:55:13.920 --> 01:55:16.760 right at the point where Trump's bringing back the world's 2186 01:55:16.840 --> 01:55:17.399 fairs in. 2187 01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:18.199 What two weeks? 2188 01:55:19.000 --> 01:55:20.760 Yeah, very interesting. 2189 01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:25.439 The Belile group is going to come by in the 2190 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.319 armand group and start nailing us all here with AI 2191 01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:29.199 soon right. 2192 01:55:31.479 --> 01:55:32.239 This time you. 2193 01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:35.159 Are burned down, and. 2194 01:55:35.199 --> 01:55:37.720 Who knows, you know. I do think there's a compelling 2195 01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:41.800 argument about the cyclical nature. Likes this big loop, the 2196 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:46.800 thing that people worship today, the Cobba stone. What is 2197 01:55:46.920 --> 01:55:49.119 that it looks like a computer? Does it look does 2198 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:52.600 the big black cube look like a computer server? Just 2199 01:55:52.720 --> 01:55:55.680 because was the server modeled after that or what came first? 2200 01:55:56.199 --> 01:55:59.399 Like is it is it possible that AI is spirits 2201 01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:02.840 that are just looking for some kind of like telephone 2202 01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:06.000 to connect to And is it possible that this has 2203 01:56:06.039 --> 01:56:08.479 all happened before and we've been destroyed by a I 2204 01:56:08.760 --> 01:56:11.239 and we call it yahweh And then we start over again, 2205 01:56:11.359 --> 01:56:13.560 and we toil in the mud and try to pick 2206 01:56:13.600 --> 01:56:16.920 ourselves back up, and then religions start and the one 2207 01:56:17.039 --> 01:56:19.239 True God is really just the last day I that 2208 01:56:19.920 --> 01:56:21.960 that survived before being unplugged. 2209 01:56:22.800 --> 01:56:25.760 Make sure there's no cows by lanterns, right, like to 2210 01:56:25.840 --> 01:56:26.319 make sure of. 2211 01:56:26.399 --> 01:56:29.119 That, yes, exactly, no Chicago fires. 2212 01:56:31.720 --> 01:56:34.239 All right. I think we've been going on for a while. 2213 01:56:34.560 --> 01:56:37.039 I think we can wrap it up now. So I 2214 01:56:37.119 --> 01:56:39.079 really appreciate you coming on. That was an awesome talk. 2215 01:56:40.359 --> 01:56:43.159 So it's wild, like I guess it's wild to be like, 2216 01:56:43.199 --> 01:56:44.600 you know, I was listening to this guy how long 2217 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:46.600 ago when I had him on my show. It's pretty surreal, 2218 01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:48.760 and it was. It was a wild experience, So thank 2219 01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:50.880 you for making that happen. I really appreciate you coming on. 2220 01:56:52.199 --> 01:56:54.199 I have that feeling all the time that I would 2221 01:56:54.239 --> 01:56:56.520 listen to somebody back in the coast to coast days 2222 01:56:56.560 --> 01:56:58.119 and then I get a chance to interview him like 2223 01:56:58.119 --> 01:57:01.920 a Richard Hoglan or something, or even David Ike or 2224 01:57:02.079 --> 01:57:05.600 RFK Junior. You know, it is pretty surreal. So I 2225 01:57:05.760 --> 01:57:08.600 definitely vibe with you on that feeling, and thanks for 2226 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:12.079 having me. This has been fun. I feel like I'm 2227 01:57:12.159 --> 01:57:15.119 not worthy of being like the center point of ten 2228 01:57:15.199 --> 01:57:17.920 people's conscious active live attention. 2229 01:57:18.159 --> 01:57:19.000 But here we are. 2230 01:57:19.239 --> 01:57:19.880 We made it through. 2231 01:57:20.359 --> 01:57:22.079 Yeah, yes we did. I think I think it went well. 2232 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:26.039 I had a great time again, Yeah, Greg, I mean, 2233 01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:29.279 I'm pretty sure everybody already knows your deal. But let 2234 01:57:29.319 --> 01:57:31.119 everybody know where they can find your amazing work. 2235 01:57:31.039 --> 01:57:34.039 Place for sure. The Higher Side chats dot com. The 2236 01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:36.680 first hour of every interview is free. The second hour 2237 01:57:36.840 --> 01:57:38.600 is if you want to sign up for eight bucks 2238 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:39.159 a month. 2239 01:57:39.680 --> 01:57:42.560 Awesome, And everybody else you already introduced yourselves. We're not 2240 01:57:42.640 --> 01:57:44.439 going to spend another twenty minutes to wrap it up. 2241 01:57:44.920 --> 01:57:47.000 If their links aren't in the bottom as of right now, 2242 01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:49.520 I will make sure they will. They will be there 2243 01:57:49.720 --> 01:57:51.840 after I go off. But yes, so if you want 2244 01:57:51.880 --> 01:57:55.359 to check everybody else out, everything's in the bottom. Thanks again, Greg, 2245 01:57:55.479 --> 01:57:59.000 that was an amazing, amazing discussion, and thank you for 2246 01:57:59.079 --> 01:58:02.000 the chat. I appreciate everybody jumping on everybody adding to 2247 01:58:02.079 --> 01:58:04.239 the chat. So I was paying attention too much. I 2248 01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:07.199 couldn't put up all your comments, but again, that's why 2249 01:58:07.239 --> 01:58:10.000 we go live. Reappreciate it and until the next one, 2250 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:11.760 everybody be well Later