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<v Speaker 1>This is a clip from Bloody History. You can access

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<v Speaker 1>the entire episode now on our website and all podcast platforms.

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<v Speaker 2>The way it works, you compartmentalize, just like you do

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<v Speaker 2>an intelligence You keep these guys away from the knowledge

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<v Speaker 2>of half of what it is they're actually there to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is how you can get a job done

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<v Speaker 2>very cleanly. Nobody can possibly rat out to the cops

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<v Speaker 2>because they don't know what's going on, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Another interesting part of the Tramps to me is

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<v Speaker 1>the timing on when they were arrested, because the call

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<v Speaker 1>that came out came out at one fifty six pm,

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<v Speaker 1>which means those guys had to hide. They were hiding

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<v Speaker 1>for an hour and a half. They were seen jumping

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<v Speaker 1>at the ninth box car by Lee Bauers, who calls

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<v Speaker 1>the police and then the police and you know Bass

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<v Speaker 1>and Wise and allegedly Middleton, but Middleton swears he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>working that day. So that's another mystery right there. But

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<v Speaker 1>they were actively jumping at the ninth box car, and

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<v Speaker 1>so what were they doing for that hour and a half?

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<v Speaker 1>Could they not get out of where they were? Were

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<v Speaker 1>they where were they hiding? You know? Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>questions that I'm very curious about that incident.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, like I said, if you sent them to

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<v Speaker 2>meet somewhere else and they're supposed to meet nearby, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they're told listen, if it doesn't happen, you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the train yard and you know, somebody else will

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<v Speaker 2>pick you up there or something like that, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they see the commotion going on. Why wouldn't you try

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<v Speaker 2>and jump in a car and hide, right, because that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a way for you to just get carried

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<v Speaker 2>out of the area so you can avoid whatever the

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<v Speaker 2>commotion is and you don't even know what the commotion's about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just offering speculations here right right, because these guys

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of cases legitimately say they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what was going on, and people say, oh, they're lying.

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<v Speaker 2>I think in a lot of cases they're not. They

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<v Speaker 2>were dispatched without the knowledge of what was actually happening.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't share this with one hundred people what's happening,

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<v Speaker 2>because otherwise, you know, the whole thing gets replicated too often.

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<v Speaker 2>Too many people's stories start to line up. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you got twenty guys and nobody's got the same story,

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<v Speaker 2>what is a cop going to do. He can't match

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<v Speaker 2>up any of these other guys. That's why they had

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<v Speaker 2>to let him go, you know what I mean, Because

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<v Speaker 2>the guy's got no knowledge. No matter what they do,

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<v Speaker 2>they can't even beat it out of him because he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know. You see what I mean? Yep, Okay, So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>fair enough on that. But Green, just because he has

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<v Speaker 2>that skill, I mean, I wouldn't get hung up on that.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't have to be a shooter. I mean, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you've got other evidence that says he is, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying theoretically, he's a good guy to just

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<v Speaker 2>send a dispatch to do another job, you know, drop

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<v Speaker 2>off some money somewhere and now wait over by the

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<v Speaker 2>train yard. And then they see a commotion, they say,

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<v Speaker 2>screw this, We're going to go hide somewhere. And he

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<v Speaker 2>was supposed to meet with those other two guys. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the more important question is how do these three guys

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<v Speaker 2>come together.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a good question because each other Mosari and

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<v Speaker 1>Green are together from Cleveland. That's that's a given. But

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<v Speaker 1>the short tramp, the short tramp I identify as a

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Vincent caltigeron Junior and so Vincent Calton Geron

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<v Speaker 1>Junior is like it's he's one of the most important

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<v Speaker 1>pieces of the puzzle, and he's never been written about,

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<v Speaker 1>talked about ever in any book, No Kennedy researchers ever

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<v Speaker 1>even mentioned his name in the In the Shadows, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent Caltageron Junior is based in Houston. He is former

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe even present at the time of thesassination Naval Intelligence.

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<v Speaker 1>He at one time in the nineteen I think the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteen forties through the late nineteen fifties is married

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<v Speaker 1>to the sister of Jack Valenti, Lorraine Valenti, who will

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<v Speaker 1>then go on to become Lorraine Valenti Dinerstein.

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<v Speaker 2>This is why the guy's name. Okay, okay, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of myself, why do I recognize this? This guy

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<v Speaker 2>keeps bringing up and now I know why.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, go ahead, well I'll tell you how this is.

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<v Speaker 1>This was like probably the most shocking thing when I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that I was onto something. So I had taken

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<v Speaker 1>a break from direct assassination studies to start studying Jack Valenti.

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<v Speaker 1>I read through the Jack Valenti file. I pulled apart

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<v Speaker 1>everything I could on that guy's life. I'm probably like,

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<v Speaker 1>not that anybody ever gave a fuck with by Jack Valenti,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm probably one of two or three people in

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<v Speaker 1>the world who know anything about that guy. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was a couple of the LBJ did It guys have

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<v Speaker 2>gone into Valenti a bit, but more or less they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about his you know, manipulation of the media and

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<v Speaker 2>how he becomes you know, rises up he's the president

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<v Speaker 2>of the mp A and stuff like that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's usually what they wind up focusing on. But he

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<v Speaker 2>only only the uh, the LBJ did it guys usually

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<v Speaker 2>go into Valenti.

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<v Speaker 1>So with Vincent call to Gerond Junior, he ends up

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<v Speaker 1>marrying Jack Valenti's sister. They have two kids, Tom Tom

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<v Speaker 1>called gerone, and I forget the other brother's name, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have two kids. And basically I just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>registered it as I'm reading it, and I kind of

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<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, acknowledge. I put it on a shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>Then I start to study the Winterland Ice Arena, which

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<v Speaker 1>is the official name of the Winterland Ice Rink.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Winderland David Ferry allegedly.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, Okay, go ahead, So the woman who started

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<v Speaker 1>the Winterland her name is Mary Boots Roberts. She was

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<v Speaker 1>a famous ice skater, and her husband, Ronnie Roberts, was

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<v Speaker 1>also a famous ice skater that did Disney on ice

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<v Speaker 1>and ice capades. As we know, these are all smuggling

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<v Speaker 1>operations for the CIA. At the same time, she will

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<v Speaker 1>later in her life allegedly go to work for NASA

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<v Speaker 1>at the Gemini and Apollo missions. But I tore apart

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<v Speaker 1>those files on the Gemini and Apollo missions. Her name

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<v Speaker 1>appears nowhere in the universe in those files. So she's

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a spook. So when you dig into Mary Boots Roberts,

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<v Speaker 1>what you'll find is that her birth name was called

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<v Speaker 1>to Girone. So I'm studying this. I'm studying this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, call to Geron, where the hell do I

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<v Speaker 1>know this name from? Right? And then I'm like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>I remembered it from the Jack Valenti file. So I

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the Jack Vilenti files. I confirm that

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<v Speaker 1>Vincent called to Geron Junior, who was married to Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Valenti's sister. And now I have Mary Boots Roberts, whose

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<v Speaker 1>birth name is called to Gerone. Well, I did a

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<v Speaker 1>full genealogy on her and guess what Vincent called the

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<v Speaker 1>Geron Junior is her first cousin. That's not a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, to me, the most important discovery in all

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<v Speaker 1>of Kennedy in sixty years. No one has ever put

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<v Speaker 1>that together before. The first cousin of Mary Boots Roberts

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<v Speaker 1>is the former brother in law of Jack VALENTI right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so when you look at the relationships of the Winterland,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the Winterland was owned by Lyndon Johnson. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you knew that the Winterland was owned

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<v Speaker 1>by Lyndon Johnson and the Johnson family enterprise who built

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<v Speaker 1>half of Houston. They were he was the richest president.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I was gonna. Wasn't it technically owned by

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<v Speaker 2>Lady Bird because she had ownership of all those kind

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<v Speaker 2>of things along with the TV stations and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't that really under her?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so, because it was his parents first.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the company was started by his parents, by

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<v Speaker 1>Lyndon Johnson's parents, and so Lyndon Johnson is the owner

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<v Speaker 1>of the Winterland. So now how do I have I

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<v Speaker 1>have Vincent called the Garne married to Jack Valenti's sister,

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<v Speaker 1>and Jack Valenti is the right hand man of Lyndon Johnson, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and Linden and then Vincent, called the Grone, is the

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<v Speaker 1>first cousin of Mary Boots Roberts. So I'm like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 1>this is like a closed loop of interaction between these

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<v Speaker 1>four people who obviously knew each other very intimately, And

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<v Speaker 1>so that brings me away.

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<v Speaker 2>The reason why I bring up Lady Bird is because

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<v Speaker 2>quite often Johnson has her owning these supposedly legitimate assets

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<v Speaker 2>right where he doesn't own them, but obviously he's got

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<v Speaker 2>control over. I mean, he's getting you know, the bags

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<v Speaker 2>of cash off of everything and skimming off of every

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<v Speaker 2>single operation, whether it's a TV station or anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>He's getting cash skims off of everything. But some of

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<v Speaker 2>that stuff is on paper owned by Lady Bird Johnson,

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<v Speaker 2>who probably didn't even know half of what she allegedly owned.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, He probably put in her name for legal protection

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<v Speaker 1>reasons and stuff. So so we have this is what

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<v Speaker 1>I theorize. How and if to remember, James Earl Ray

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<v Speaker 1>identified the Short Tramp as the real Raoul, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have even more backing evidence to show Vincent Calter Groan

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<v Speaker 1>Junior was the real Raoul based on the statements of

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<v Speaker 1>Glenda Grabow interviewed by James Douglas. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you've read through that stuff. Basically they talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>they would they would bring Vincent to the Alabama Theater

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<v Speaker 1>because that's where Jack Valenti was, and so that makes

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<v Speaker 1>perfect sense because if Vincent Calter Garone is the former

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<v Speaker 1>brother in law of Jack Valenti and she's bringing Raoul

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<v Speaker 1>to meet with Jack Valenti, duh, this is like another

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<v Speaker 1>piece of a puzzle. It just fits perfectly together. So

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<v Speaker 1>I totally believe James Rolway's statements identifying the Short Tramp

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<v Speaker 1>as Raoul, and I totally believe that Vincent was Raoul,

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<v Speaker 1>and Vincent was the Short Tramp and Daily Plaza, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's also the you know, related to the woman at

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<v Speaker 1>the Winterland. This is just too I'm sorry, this is

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<v Speaker 1>way too much coincidence in one place. There's way too

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<v Speaker 1>much smoke here for there not to be any fire, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And so what I believe happened was David Ferry never

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<v Speaker 1>went to the Winterland at all. He was in Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>where he shot the president, and then he gets in

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<v Speaker 1>his car, the light blue Ford Falcon station Wagon, which

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<v Speaker 1>is an identical copy of his Mercury Comet light blue

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<v Speaker 1>but different made by the same manufacturer with different branding. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So he then heads to Hammond, Louisiana, where the whole

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<v Speaker 1>stuff with Frank Chelona and David and Thomas Compton. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Chelona debunked David Ferry's alibi. He says, David Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>was sleeping in my roommate's bed on the twenty third

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<v Speaker 1>in the afternoon. Well, that only works. David Ferry never

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<v Speaker 1>went to Winterland. And so when you look at the

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of the person who did go to the Winterland,

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<v Speaker 1>he's over six foot tall, over two hundred pounds, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's wearing a red toupey and he had big fluffy eyebrows.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't painted on, they were like glued on. Okay. So,

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<v Speaker 1>and the guy introduced himself as David Ferry five times.

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<v Speaker 1>Why would you do that to draw attention to yourself? Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>what I think happened was Arcocha left Dallas with the

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<v Speaker 1>two boys, Leyton Martin's and Alvin Boboof remember ar Kaca

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<v Speaker 1>was involved with these kids in the break ins at Homa,

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<v Speaker 1>and a whole bunch of other stuff. Right, they were

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<v Speaker 1>tight for years, so it's not like a stretch to

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<v Speaker 1>put Arcaca with the two boys. But I believe it's possible.

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<v Speaker 1>He also drove Vincent called to Gern Junior from Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>to Houston. And why do I say that, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you dig into the David Ferry file, you'll find one

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<v Speaker 1>page where it explains that in the middle of the night,

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<v Speaker 1>four o'clock in the morning, when they show up and Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't go right to the Alamotel. They go to

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<v Speaker 1>the They go to the Winterland, and they look around

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<v Speaker 1>at the Winterland first at four in the morning, when

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<v Speaker 1>it's obviously closed, and then they go to the Alamotel. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>here's where it gets really good. So the Alamotel is

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<v Speaker 1>directly Remember there's a bunch of phone numbers that they called.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the calls went unidentified forever. It's to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's identified except for me and Jim Garrison. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the phone number that goes unidentified is to a

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<v Speaker 1>place called the Gateway Swim and Skate. And so the

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<v Speaker 1>Gateway Swim and Skate is obviously it's got a pool,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got a roller skating rink. It is directly next

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<v Speaker 1>to the Alamotel. Okay. So they get to they get

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<v Speaker 1>to Houston, they check in the alamote I think what

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<v Speaker 1>they did was they drop Vincent off at the Winterland.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they go to the Alamotel and they go to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>The next day they call there, Well why would they

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<v Speaker 1>be calling the Gateway Swim and Skate? Well, when you

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<v Speaker 1>study Vincent, you come to realize he was a longtime

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<v Speaker 1>employee of the Downtown Houston YMCA. Can you guess what

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<v Speaker 1>the Downtown Houston YMCA was before it was the YMCA?

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<v Speaker 1>It was the Gateway Swim and Skate. So David Ferry

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<v Speaker 1>then tells the FBI that they went to the bell

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<v Speaker 1>Air skating rink. Right, Well, guess what. The bell Air

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<v Speaker 1>was knocked down in nineteen fifty nine and in its

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<v Speaker 1>place was built the Gateway Swim and Skate. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>David Ferry is obviously aware of He's obviously doing some

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<v Speaker 1>nefarious shit involving Vincent and involving the bell Air, which

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<v Speaker 1>then became basically the Gateway, Right, how would he know

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<v Speaker 1>it was called the bell Air if he hadn't been

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<v Speaker 1>going there since nineteen fifty nine, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do you slot in the Rose Chermi story with this?

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<v Speaker 2>As far as the traveling to Texas.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, one hundred percent. I believe everything that happened in

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<v Speaker 1>there is accurate, except she didn't get thrown out of

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<v Speaker 1>no car. She was just a real pain in the ass,

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<v Speaker 1>and she got actually thrown out of the bar by Macmanuel.

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<v Speaker 1>She wasn't beat up or thrown out of the bar by.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was our Katcha and Amelio Santana who were

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<v Speaker 1>in the car with her, And so I put those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I put Arcocha on the roof, and I put Santana

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<v Speaker 2>At the Dalteks, those I believe were shooters. Yeah, Now,

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<v Speaker 2>she might have gotten beaten up, right, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>she got beat up. Well, she was on the road

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<v Speaker 2>walk and after they did her at the bar is

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<v Speaker 2>what I think happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead, Well, then from there she gets in the

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<v Speaker 1>ambulance to go to the hospital, right, and they take

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<v Speaker 1>her to the local hospital and she starts talking about

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to kill Kennedy. Everyone's like, you're full of shit,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Francis Frooge. Actually he didn't show up after

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<v Speaker 1>the assassination. He showed up, and he was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who escorted her the hour or two hour drive to Jackson, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he drops her off there, and so in the

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<v Speaker 1>car right.

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<v Speaker 2>She's she's withdrawal because look, she's in withdrawal. She's heroinautic.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's having all kinds of problems and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to deal with her at that hospital. So Fruge

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<v Speaker 2>takes her to the next place where they will trade her. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But that is, yeah, that is during the time right

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<v Speaker 2>before the assassination. That's not after.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's on the that was on the twentieth that

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<v Speaker 1>all that happened. And so then of course after the assassination,

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<v Speaker 1>Francis Fruge or however you pronounce it, says, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>she was right. They killed the president. And so he

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<v Speaker 1>goes back and talks to her, and then they do

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<v Speaker 1>this like little miniature investigation. They try to find out

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<v Speaker 1>the sailor on the ship.