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All right, let's get 37 00:01:30,439 --> 00:01:33,480 out to the hotline. Welcome in representing the Desert News. 38 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,840 We got Tad Walch on the line. Tad, how thatck 39 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:36,120 are you? 40 00:01:37,239 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 5: I'm doing well? Ben Crittle, how are you? 41 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 4: I'm doing fantastic, man. 42 00:01:40,719 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 3: I appreciate you hopping on to discuss the latest calling 43 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,599 handed down from the Church of Jesus Christ. In latter sayings, 44 00:01:47,599 --> 00:01:50,760 Elder Clark Gilbert, who has been overseeing the Church Educational 45 00:01:50,799 --> 00:01:53,200 System over CS, has been called to the Korum of 46 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:54,319 the Twelve Apostles. 47 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: So initial reaction to the news, Tad. 48 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 5: Well, I was very surprised, just because he used to 49 00:02:04,359 --> 00:02:07,599 be my boss. Uh, he used to be the president 50 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,919 and CEO at the Desert News and so I've sat 51 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,120 in leadership meetings with him weekly for a couple of years, 52 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,759 worked closely with him as an editor when I was 53 00:02:18,879 --> 00:02:21,800 an editor at the paper, and and as a reporter. 54 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:27,080 And so it's it's someone who's I've known more than 55 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,319 any other possible before they were called. So that was 56 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:31,960 that really was striking. 57 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what. 58 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,759 Speaker 3: What what would you say? How would you describe Elder 59 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,719 Clark Gilbert. You've had many interactions with him over the year, 60 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:42,520 over the years, and uh, you know sometimes you know, 61 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,879 it's always intriguing, right, like the proximity that we have 62 00:02:46,599 --> 00:02:49,879 to uh, these men that are called of God and 63 00:02:50,199 --> 00:02:54,479 through divine authority. You know, there's a there's a human nature, 64 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,000 there's a spiritual nature to all of it. 65 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 4: You have close proximity with it. Give me your reaction to. 66 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 5: This, Oh, he is one of the most energetic people 67 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:06,560 you've ever met, one of the hardest working. He will 68 00:03:06,599 --> 00:03:10,360 work from early in the morning throughout the day, and 69 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,520 then he takes time off to be with his family 70 00:03:12,599 --> 00:03:14,599 in the evening, and then you'll start getting texts from 71 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:20,319 him between ten and midnight and he's back to work, 72 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:27,319 you know, just grinding. He's also just wildly smart. This 73 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:32,360 is someone who could you know, he's given up millions 74 00:03:32,439 --> 00:03:35,080 and millions of dollars in his lifetime, left millions on 75 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,840 the table that he could have earned in the business world. 76 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,120 I think he did well in business when he was 77 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:47,159 also working as a Harvard business professor. But I've had 78 00:03:47,159 --> 00:03:50,680 conversations with him where he's talked about money left on 79 00:03:50,719 --> 00:03:52,800 the table when he left Harvard to go to Byu, 80 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Idaho and then left money on the table to come 81 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,919 and be at the Desert News. And that's just been 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:05,159 who he is. He is incredibly faithful and willing to 83 00:04:06,439 --> 00:04:09,039 bend his will to that of what he sees in 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,199 the Lord's wills. 85 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:17,639 Speaker 3: As he's overseen the church educational system. And from your purview, 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,360 from your perch, what have you seen that he's done. 87 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:22,839 I mean, he's been overseeing Brigham Young University and the 88 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,319 other institutions that fall under his jurisdiction under his calling. Essentially, 89 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:34,240 how would you describe his tenure as he is navigating 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,639 and administered over cees. 91 00:04:36,879 --> 00:04:39,079 Speaker 5: That's a great question. I think, first of all, it 92 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:41,920 stands out for me as someone who has covered to 93 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:46,120 various universities to varying degrees in the Church educational system. 94 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,399 I'm struck by the equally energetic men that he has 95 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,800 been involved with who have been appointed to be presidents 96 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,360 of those schools. Shane Reese at b YU, Elder Alvin 97 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:01,360 Tripp Meredith at b YUI HO and Brian Ashtett at 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:05,279 b y Pathway Worldwide have all been named. While he 99 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,680 was the Church Commissioner of Education. There's been a lot 100 00:05:09,199 --> 00:05:14,480 written and made of the uh the standards that he 101 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,079 has set for faculty and staff at b y U, 102 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,839 at the at the different institutions, about you know, adhering 103 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:28,120 to core principles of the Church and Church doctrine, requiring 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,720 temple recommends for those hired to be on the faculty, 105 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:37,199 and that has some people have expressed angst about that. 106 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:42,279 But I also get a ton of I got a 107 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,600 ton yesterday of responses from people at b y U 108 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,639 and elsewhere who said, this is my favorite guy. Uh, 109 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,480 this is this is wonderful. I like what he's doing, 110 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:55,120 and you know, I think his I also think it's 111 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:59,199 interesting to me to see some people saying who aren't 112 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,199 don't like those things putting it on him, and to me, 113 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:09,560 that's that's laughable. The reality is the Church Commissioner of 114 00:06:09,639 --> 00:06:13,360 Education is not operating outside of, or apart from, or 115 00:06:13,399 --> 00:06:15,879 separate from the Church Board of Education, which is led 116 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,439 by the profit and President of the Church and apostles 117 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:22,360 and other officers of the church. So those are things 118 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:26,360 that the church has felt, the church leadership in general 119 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:30,680 has felt are important and necessary. And there's also legal 120 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,720 reasons and other accreditation reasons why you do that If 121 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,959 if you drift from core principles, that can that that 122 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,240 can lead to a lot of change that that some 123 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:46,800 people will will question what is your mission as university, 124 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:51,720 both legally, UH accreditation wise, as well as just within 125 00:06:51,759 --> 00:06:52,160 the church. 126 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I started to read up on a little. 127 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: I wasn't aware that, you know, he had been somewhat 128 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,480 of a controversial figure for him him taking what would 129 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,120 seem as a hard line stance in a traditional sense, 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,439 aligning with what I would deem is the moral, ethical 131 00:07:09,519 --> 00:07:12,639 principles and ordinances of the Gospel, and that you should 132 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:15,600 you should be bought into those, especially if you're teaching 133 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,360 at Brigham Young University. But apparently that's you know, you know, 134 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:22,120 it was controversial. I don't know if you can go 135 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:24,680 into it any further, but I didn't know that he 136 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:28,519 was two degree, and it sounds like he's got a 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,720 tremendous amount of support. I've always felt like he was 138 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:34,600 very supported, right, but it's to a degree there are 139 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:36,759 people that said, hey, we don't like that he takes 140 00:07:36,759 --> 00:07:39,079 such a hard line stance on these on these issues. 141 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 5: You know, then I look at this like I look 142 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:48,120 at let's say, the chancellor of the California System of 143 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Higher Education, who's over twenty schools. Do you think you 144 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,319 could find some professors at some of those schools who 145 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:58,639 have a problem with the chancellor? Of course you do. Yes, 146 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,279 you're going to find that every where. I have the 147 00:08:01,319 --> 00:08:05,000 same experience as you. I do not find people clamoring, 148 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,319 and you know, large groups of people. I think this 149 00:08:08,519 --> 00:08:13,399 is controversial with a smaller group of people, and the 150 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,240 rest are uh, you know, understand that he's in alignment 151 00:08:17,279 --> 00:08:20,839 with church leaderships, and this is what President Russell M. 152 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:25,079 Nelson wanted and what President Dalen H. Oakes wanted and 153 00:08:25,079 --> 00:08:29,199 and he's been part of that that chain now same thing. 154 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,199 I mean, you can go back through church commissioners of 155 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:35,159 education too. I mean Elder President Jeffrey R. Holland when 156 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:37,639 he was Church Commissioner of Education had a few critics. 157 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,840 Elder Paul Johnson when he was Church Commissioner of Education 158 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,480 just before, just just recently, had some some critics. But 159 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:49,080 these were men who church leadership helped and high esteem. 160 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,799 Most of the church, as we know, especially with President Holland, 161 00:08:53,399 --> 00:08:59,480 loved President Holland. And so I think this is I 162 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:02,480 don't know, I think to call it controversial is a 163 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,440 little blown out of proportion, no. 164 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:05,039 Speaker 4: Doubt about it. 165 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: Tad waltch here on ESP and the Fan discussing Elder 166 00:09:08,159 --> 00:09:08,720 Clark G. 167 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: Gilbert being called to the corner of the twelve Apostles. 168 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: You know, the question that because I'm a sports guy, 169 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,000 right and I do not worship sports, it is not 170 00:09:16,159 --> 00:09:19,039 my idol. It's just something that I'm passionate about as 171 00:09:19,039 --> 00:09:20,879 a side hustle Okay, So I got to clear that 172 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,039 up for all of the Kingdom builders out there that 173 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,919 like to poke fund at me. But look, I want 174 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,080 to know how this may impact Boa athletics stat in 175 00:09:28,159 --> 00:09:29,679 your opinion, give me your thoughts on this. 176 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 5: Oh, one hundred percent. If you're a BAU fan, you 177 00:09:32,399 --> 00:09:35,360 should be doing triple backslits right now, you should be 178 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:41,399 joining the joining the dunk team. That let's go at halftime. 179 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,679 This guy, if you think you're a big BAU fan, 180 00:09:44,759 --> 00:09:47,000 if you think you might be the biggest BOAU fan, 181 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,120 You're gonna have to go through Elder Clark Gilbert first. 182 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:55,000 Because this guy is dyed in the wool, Cosmo Blue 183 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:59,799 Cougar fan. He loves bou sports and he wants it 184 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,159 to succeed. He wants to succeed at the highest level. 185 00:10:03,159 --> 00:10:05,399 He wants to do it while adhering to the again 186 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,879 the core principles of the church, and to have it 187 00:10:07,919 --> 00:10:10,000 be as you and I have talked about in the past, 188 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,320 a welcoming front porch for the world to see what 189 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,519 Ba's about and what the mission of the church is about. 190 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,799 So he is one thousand percent bought in on all 191 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:25,000 of that. And so if I'm a BYU fan. I'm like, 192 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,200 get me a seat next to this guy because we're 193 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,440 going somewhere. 194 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, as do I I'm excited for it now. 195 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: You know, there's been some controversial things that have happened 196 00:10:39,159 --> 00:10:42,919 over the last year or so in association with BA 197 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,120 student athletes, student athletes falling short of the standard, legal 198 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:52,120 issues for those that do not believe that BA athletics 199 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:57,480 should or is a ambassadoratorial ambassadorial tool for good or 200 00:10:57,559 --> 00:10:59,360 the front porch it shouldn't be the front porch of 201 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:03,600 the university. When you see these things happen, you know, 202 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,279 you know, I often wonder, I'm like, what is the 203 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,679 internal collaboration and correlation in response from these individuals that 204 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,639 are in in the corem that do believe in maybe 205 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,360 BA athletics and when they see this fall short, is 206 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,120 there are they a little bit more reticent to maybe 207 00:11:23,639 --> 00:11:26,799 you know, be as supportive in BA athletics when these 208 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:27,679 things do happen. 209 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 5: I don't think reticence starts. I think correction starts. I 210 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,440 think the the idea is to say, let's make sure 211 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,960 we're doing what needs to be done so that this 212 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,840 is corrected, so that this isn't an ongoing issue so 213 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:49,639 that everyone's clear about the standards. But it seems to me, 214 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,320 I mean, if you've been following BYU football and basketball 215 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,679 over the last couple of years, you've also seen the 216 00:11:55,799 --> 00:12:01,039 university and by extension because the and do things without 217 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,120 the approval of the Board of Education, the Board of 218 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,879 Education double down on BOA sports. I mean, this is 219 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,720 an era of growth and expansion and the football program. 220 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,399 We've seen the new contract with Klonie Satake, We've seen 221 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:21,279 the support for moving into the nil era for football 222 00:12:21,279 --> 00:12:23,919 and basketball, and all of that is going on under 223 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:28,360 the approval of church leadership. So this is to me 224 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,159 a time when we see the church leadership is does 225 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:35,480 believe it has an ambassadorial role? Do they do believe 226 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,080 that this is a positive, But they are of course 227 00:12:40,159 --> 00:12:45,120 going to be terribly concerned about these instances and wanting 228 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,200 to see that cleaned up. 229 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 3: We got Tad well Cheer talking obviously BUA athletics, but 230 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,279 also Elder Clark Gilbert his call to the corner of 231 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,559 the Twelve Apostles, and you know it's I think you 232 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,799 wrote a piece on Elder Clark Gilbert. Correct, it's in 233 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,720 the Deseret News currently. I believe I'm just pointed out here. 234 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,279 Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I did a story yesterday after the calling, 235 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,080 and then today I interviewed him for twenty minutes and 236 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,240 I have a new story up about that interview and 237 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,799 his things that he talked about that have shaped him 238 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:23,120 and his background with knowing apostles now that he has 239 00:13:23,159 --> 00:13:23,840 become one. 240 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:26,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, So give me a little bit more detail on 241 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:27,440 the piece when we invite him one to read it 242 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:32,840 at the des Rednewsdesret dot com. It's entitled in new Interview, 243 00:13:32,879 --> 00:13:35,559 new Apostle Elder Clark G. Gilbert shares details of his 244 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,679 call and what has shaped him. 245 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:41,159 Speaker 5: So the first question that I asked him was who 246 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:45,600 I've known that Clark has been mentored by apostles, Elder Gilbert, 247 00:13:45,919 --> 00:13:49,519 So I asked him, what was the first apostle you met? 248 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,480 And it was President Spencer W. Kimball, who then was 249 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,919 president of the church when Elder Gilbert was ten years old, 250 00:13:54,919 --> 00:13:58,240 and he tells a great story about how President Kimball 251 00:13:58,279 --> 00:14:00,720 came to Arizona where Elder Gilbert living as a ten 252 00:14:00,759 --> 00:14:03,679 year old boy, and he was so excited to meet 253 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,039 the church president for the first time that after he 254 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:08,200 shook his hand, he ran to the back of the 255 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,840 line and got back in it and went back to 256 00:14:10,879 --> 00:14:13,159 shake his hand again and did that's four or five times, 257 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:17,279 he told me. And then we go into and talk 258 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,720 about these these mentors that he's had. President Jeffrey R. 259 00:14:20,759 --> 00:14:25,159 Holland sealed him and his wife when they were married. 260 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,759 President Henry b Iring has been a close confidant and 261 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:35,320 mentor for him at both his you know, business professors 262 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,240 in their pasts, and so it talks about that and 263 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,000 about how he was shaped by decisions when he that 264 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,840 he started to make to go into church employment and 265 00:14:46,879 --> 00:14:52,240 service more than following the possible business opportunities he had. 266 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,399 And so I think there's some interesting things there that 267 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:59,120 people will find intriguing and worthwhile to know about. The 268 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:00,440 new Apostle. 269 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 3: Always intrigued about leadership and division that these uh, these 270 00:15:06,039 --> 00:15:09,519 these chosen elect men have for the church, for its 271 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,240 members uh and and also for the the institutions that 272 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:17,159 they they help administer to and govern down. 273 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,879 Speaker 4: Ah chokes the prophet. 274 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:23,399 Speaker 3: He he was at b YU this past week and 275 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:28,600 gave a devotional. Uh, your your thoughts, your takeaways from 276 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,000 the devotional. I don't know if you were able to 277 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,559 do to listen to it, to read some of the quotes, 278 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,360 et cetera. But give me some of your takeaways. I'm 279 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:37,399 always intrigued as to what the prophets uh are saying 280 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:42,080 about or saying to the the students that next generation 281 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,519 of of Latter Day Saints that are gonna be in 282 00:15:44,559 --> 00:15:49,000 the professional world, leading the stakes, the wards uh these uh, 283 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,559 these these geographies around the country leaving the Saints. 284 00:15:53,279 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is why they called BUYU the flagship institution 285 00:15:56,320 --> 00:16:00,200 of the church, because that's what they see in those 286 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:01,840 students as they want them to go out and be 287 00:16:01,919 --> 00:16:05,559 leaders around the world, in in the church and outside 288 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,759 the church. President of Oaks I got to cover that 289 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:11,240 devotional as well and wrote a story about that. He 290 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,919 went down and he said, look, I understand people have 291 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:20,000 many of you may have questions. I mean, first of all, 292 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,639 we've got to say Ben, there were people lining up. 293 00:16:23,039 --> 00:16:27,720 The earliest I heard was four am. By six thirty, 294 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,000 there was a good line. By nine thirty. It went 295 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,840 from the Marriage Center up past the BYU Broadcasting building, 296 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,240 across the Harmon the front of the Harmon building, over 297 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,200 to that light by the Missionary Training Center, and eighteen 298 00:16:43,279 --> 00:16:46,879 thousand plus were in there was packed, every seat taken 299 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,039 and President Oaks said, look, you need to surround yourself 300 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,240 with people who believe and that will help you find 301 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:59,559 happiness and help you find the things, the guidance and 302 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,720 direction you need. Gave four ways to draw closer to 303 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:05,799 Jesus Christ. But the quote that stood out to me 304 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,599 that I liked the most, that that struck me the 305 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,920 most was what he was talking about. One of those 306 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,960 ways to draw closer to Christ with humility, and he said, 307 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,200 look to the needs of others and humility follows. And 308 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,279 that's a quote I might just put up on my wall. 309 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:22,200 That's a good one. 310 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 3: Always looking for an inspirational quote on my phone, on 311 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,680 my wall around my house, no doubt about it. Tad 312 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,759 Walsh des Red News discussing a number of topics today 313 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:37,720 and appreciate you hopping on, Tad, always appreciate our conversations 314 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:41,960 as let me shift back to you know, one of 315 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,880 the conversations that I was having with my producer. 316 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 4: I have seen more. 317 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,079 Speaker 3: I mean, I maybe it's it's recency bias, maybe because 318 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,319 I'm I'm paying attention to it more. Has there been 319 00:17:53,319 --> 00:18:00,000 an uptick in general authorities attending BYU athletic events from 320 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,319 your perch, from your purview, I feel like, you know, 321 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,240 Elder Gong handing out ice cream, Elder Rasban at BAU 322 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,240 basketball then football games. Uh, we've seen you know the 323 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:13,880 these uh, these these men that have been called to 324 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:17,720 do very spiritual things also come down and and mingle 325 00:18:17,759 --> 00:18:20,319 with the people, if you will, and get out there 326 00:18:20,319 --> 00:18:24,000 and enjoy a night of competition at b YU athletics. 327 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:28,519 Speaker 5: That is a great question. I don't know for sure, 328 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,559 so I don't want to make a bold statement, but 329 00:18:31,599 --> 00:18:33,240 it does seem that way a little bit to me. 330 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 4: Now. 331 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:36,839 Speaker 5: I know the president of the b YU usually always 332 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:41,799 has a general authority and and quite often apostle sitting 333 00:18:41,799 --> 00:18:44,359 with him at a basketball game or a football game. 334 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,599 But I do think you know, when you've got Elder 335 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,960 Gong passing out ice cream as you mentioned, and Elder 336 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,920 Matthew Holland was sitting courtside earlier this season at a 337 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:58,400 basketball game with his wife and daughter, had some fun 338 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:03,519 talking with his wife Page about that they're just they 339 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:07,279 they're they're interested their their fans. They won't be a 340 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,319 you to do well. And yeah, I don't think that 341 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:11,799 you're wrong. 342 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 4: You know, many people. 343 00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 3: They they expect a lot from the ambassadors. You know, 344 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:21,680 Bronko Manhaal used to call them the flag bears of 345 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,039 the university, right, And we we had a model, we 346 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,559 had a uh you know things that we would we 347 00:19:27,599 --> 00:19:30,119 would actually recite, you know, where the flag bears of 348 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,880 the university. It was a mantra, uh if you will. 349 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,880 And we had to try to live up to that standard. 350 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,480 And so you know, these student athletes they fall short. Uh, 351 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,359 and then we fall short time and time again, and 352 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,720 and uh it's just that maybe the nature of men 353 00:19:43,799 --> 00:19:46,200 and maybe it's the nature of the of us student athletes. 354 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:48,799 Speaker 4: Uh. But one of the things that. 355 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: Stands out to me is like, you know, the these 356 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,880 converts that have come through by U, whether it's Tom 357 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,720 Homo Robbie Bosco both called to serve as mission presidents. 358 00:19:58,759 --> 00:20:02,160 They were both Conference TI Debtmer Heisman Trophy winner. I 359 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,759 played with a number of individuals that ended up converting 360 00:20:04,759 --> 00:20:06,759 to the faith, Curtis Brown and others. 361 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: Uh. That that that the you know, the. 362 00:20:09,559 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 3: Interactions at b Y you made a very positive uh 363 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:16,640 you know, just a positive impact in their lives. 364 00:20:17,279 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 4: We we tend as human. 365 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 3: Beings, I want to say, and I don't have all 366 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,359 the scientific data behind it, but we tend as human 367 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,480 beings to to lean into the negative and the negative 368 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:32,720 fruits rather than really focusing on all the positive fruits of. 369 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 4: Of anything in life. 370 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,279 Speaker 3: And I wonder if some of that is lost sometimes 371 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,759 when the bad things happen and they they're they're pushed 372 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:41,519 forth into the limelight. 373 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 5: Well, what a great point. I think also, b Yu 374 00:20:46,599 --> 00:20:49,359 and the church and other faiths, people of other faiths, 375 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,519 and people who do other good works run into this too. 376 00:20:53,079 --> 00:20:56,400 You have the biblical injunction to do your your good 377 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,920 works and quiet. And while we do see a lot 378 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:05,240 of information coming out about the church humanitarian efforts, about 379 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,240 things that the way football does to reach out to 380 00:21:09,319 --> 00:21:13,640 the community, to underserved you know, people who need help, 381 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:18,279 to kids, we don't see all of it by any stretch. 382 00:21:18,319 --> 00:21:20,839 I mean, there is that. What we usually see is 383 00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:24,160 some small percentage I would say, well under ten percent 384 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,000 of everything that's going on to help people and do 385 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,559 things for others, and that's just not reported. And some 386 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,200 of that's because there's an injunction not to do so, 387 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:38,200 not to do your alms before men. But but and 388 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,160 so you end up in this situation where that that 389 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:46,680 big negative story overwhelms maybe some of the good. I mean, 390 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,000 we I did the story about ice cream diplomacy, you know, 391 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,359 like you talked about with Elder Gong, what Bay football 392 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,400 has done around the country at games as well as 393 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:05,559 at Lavelle Edwards, and you know that that's just overwhelming good. 394 00:22:05,559 --> 00:22:09,400 And then when some one or two athletes and a 395 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,759 six hundred plus the department of six hundred plus athletes 396 00:22:13,839 --> 00:22:17,880 does something bad, sometimes we negate all of it, and 397 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,640 that's unfortunate and it is human nature. But you know, 398 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,799 I look at it as someone. I was talking with 399 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:26,160 someone about it this morning and I said, you know, 400 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,599 he said, I hate when this happens, and I said, no, 401 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:32,079 I understand why. It feels like the way he's just 402 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,119 taking off and everything's going well, and maybe this is 403 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,240 exactly the way you hope the trajectory of football and 404 00:22:39,319 --> 00:22:42,559 basketball should go. And then guess what opposition shows up? 405 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,880 And again we talk about scriptural injunctions. There is opposition 406 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,279 in all things, and it will never be perfect. And 407 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,759 to expect any one person or program or institution to 408 00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:59,319 be perfect is unfair and leads to even a loss 409 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,759 of grace for your self and your own imperfections. So 410 00:23:02,519 --> 00:23:04,599 you know, I hope we can all be understanding and 411 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,960 I hope that everyone in these issues that we're that 412 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,279 we're reading about today finds ways forward to be to 413 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,440 recover and be healthy and and get the help that 414 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,119 they need and lead good productive lives. 415 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 3: One of the thoughts that I had seeing all these 416 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:26,720 you know, general authorities, and look, there's so many great professors, 417 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,279 some many great teachers, so many great administrators and coaches 418 00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:34,720 and personnel down there within the athletic tournament in the 419 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:40,039 institution itself, So there are many ministering individuals that booy 420 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,240 up the students and obviously the student athletes as well. 421 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,559 But you know, when you're an ambassador of a flag bearer, 422 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,440 as you are a student athlete, I think it's an 423 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:57,680 imperative for those that are in these prominent positions of 424 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,480 the faith to go minister today is often is they 425 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:03,240 have bandwidth to do such because I. 426 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 4: Think it makes a really I think it makes. 427 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:10,519 Speaker 3: A critical and impactful or a very poignant impact in 428 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:13,160 the lives of these young men and young ladies that 429 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,920 interact with them. 430 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,039 Speaker 4: I've seen it firsthand. 431 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 3: Uh, you know, the more they can minister to the 432 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,960 ambassadors and the flag bears. 433 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 4: I think the better for the institution. 434 00:24:24,279 --> 00:24:28,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I absolutely agree. And and you know, our 435 00:24:28,839 --> 00:24:32,400 best story, well I don't know it's the best, but 436 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,119 one of the great stories we have of the impact 437 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,640 of a by U player on a young boy is 438 00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:45,000 Elder Weis Sikahema's impact on Kloni Satake when he was 439 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:48,640 a boy suffering from the separation of his parents' divorce 440 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,240 and the the you know, moving away from his mother 441 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:55,200 and being in a strange place, moving to Provo, Utah 442 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,480 and then this heroic national Chaampian football player and it 443 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,640 comes to a school and Vi Sikahema and you know, 444 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,480 now he is one of those leaders of the church 445 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:09,720 and an elder, a general of forty seventy in the 446 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:14,440 church and does some of that ministering to these athletes, 447 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,799 and I think and coaches, and I think that's really 448 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,680 uh yeah, it's it's important. It helps because they're in 449 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:25,279 tough spots and people not only do people put them 450 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,480 on pedestals, but they some people try to knock them off, 451 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:32,480 and that can be destabilizing and difficult too when you're 452 00:25:32,559 --> 00:25:35,200 trying your best, and you know, on social media, you're 453 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,359 being attacked, and those are those are the ones who 454 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:42,480 aren't doing bad things, but are still face still face 455 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:47,920 difficult you know, interactions at times, and so I think 456 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,319 you make a great point. 457 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 3: Tad Waltz, Ladies and gentlemen, I always appreciate your time. 458 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,880 We invite everyone to follow you on x and also 459 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,920 read all of your your fantastic interviews and content at 460 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,519 the Desert rednewsdesrat dot com. Thanks so much, Dad, Thanks 461 00:26:01,759 --> 00:26:03,400 for spending some time with us today. 462 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,319 Speaker 5: You bet, Ben, it was a pleasure, always. 463 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 4: A pleasure talking with you. Tad. 464 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:10,759 Speaker 3: Appreciate you stop stopping by and talking with me about 465 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:13,480 all manner of topics. That segment, guys, was brought to 466 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,240 you by Odeon Men'swear odeonmnswear dot com. Look your best, 467 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:17,720 for your best, get out there and serve your best 468 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,440 at Odeon Men'swear. They have a tremendous lineup of men's wear, 469 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,039 business attire, churchwar and missionary tire. If you've been called 470 00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,079 to serve, I'd get outfitted over that. Odeon Men'swear. 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