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And again, thank you so much for 10 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:29,440 your support. 11 00:00:29,079 --> 00:00:31,079 Speaker 1: I did not do anything today. 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,359 Speaker 2: I don't think to warrant both Don and Tony calling 13 00:00:36,439 --> 00:00:37,479 in in the last hour. 14 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: But who am I to look a gift horse? 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: Right? 16 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: See, here's the thing. 17 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,359 Speaker 2: If you didn't hear, we had a call from Don 18 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:48,960 and then a call from Tony, and at the very 19 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:51,840 end there Tony was saying something like uh. And this 20 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,000 is a common tactic where they like, calm down, stop 21 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,920 getting upset, whatever, and they do that in order to 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:00,920 troll a It's a deflection tactic. He does not he 23 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,840 does not know how to argue, he doesn't know how 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,239 to debate, and so he just he That's why I 25 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:09,879 kept dragging him back and kept correcting him. You know, 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,079 kind of like you know, popping the dog on the nose, 27 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:16,599 you know, every time like to try to like correct him, 28 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,599 to say like that you're not making a Like if 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,359 you're going to make an argument, you make an assertion. 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,040 You stayed a premise, right, you offer some evidence. You 31 00:01:26,079 --> 00:01:28,640 don't start off by asking me a question. 32 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: Okay. 33 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't ever get upset in these debates. I will 34 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,319 raise my voice when someone's trying to fill a buster, 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,319 I will raise my voice. But it's always been kind 36 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,159 of comical to me when people say, oh, you're you know, 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,480 you're upset or whatever, and like that's just absurd, Like 38 00:01:46,519 --> 00:01:48,040 does a cat get upset at the. 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: Ball of yarn. 40 00:01:50,359 --> 00:01:54,719 Speaker 2: That it's playing with? No, Like it's ridiculous. They enjoy it. 41 00:01:55,799 --> 00:01:59,239 I enjoy it. It's fun for me. I'm not worried 42 00:01:59,239 --> 00:02:03,599 about Tony. I'm not worried about Don. I'm not like, 43 00:02:03,799 --> 00:02:06,319 there's no reason for me to be worried when I 44 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:11,280 have discussions and debates with those two gentlemen, because my 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,840 track record is pretty clear at this point. I know 46 00:02:13,879 --> 00:02:16,280 what I'm talking about on these matters. And by the way, 47 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,960 if they raise something like I did with Don, I 48 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,560 have not heard this. 49 00:02:19,599 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. 50 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,759 Speaker 2: I told him that that's because I won't make these 51 00:02:23,759 --> 00:02:28,120 assertions if I don't know anything about the topic. Unlike them, 52 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:30,879 they will make assertions about things that they don't know. 53 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,199 And that's very easy rhetorically in an argument to dismantle. 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:37,960 As you heard in the last hour, it's very easy 55 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,120 to dismantle it. You just have to recognize what they 56 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,159 are doing when they are doing it. All of their attempts. 57 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,560 Not so much Don but Tony's attempts to insult his 58 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,719 way out of the corner that he put himself into. 59 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,439 That may work in whatever circle he runs in, I 60 00:02:57,479 --> 00:03:00,599 don't know, but it doesn't work with me. I've been 61 00:03:00,599 --> 00:03:02,639 doing this a while. I've heard the tactic for over 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,919 a decade. It doesn't work. So you're the insults. I 63 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:12,680 just kind of feed off of them. Actually it's a gift. 64 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: What can I say. Let me go over and talk 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,599 to Gail. Hello, Gail, Welcome to the show. 66 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 3: Hi, good afternoon. I wanted to call in because well, 67 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,840 everybody's talking about mister Trump and this to Elon Musk, 68 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:28,639 and I am very excited about both of them. Because 69 00:03:28,719 --> 00:03:31,439 I am a poet, I'm writing porn so I have 70 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:33,360 a book just coming out. Call me sat in my world? 71 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,319 Speaker 2: All right, Gail, Gail, are you hang on, Gail? Are 72 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:37,400 you on a speakerphone? 73 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: Oh? Let me turn it in. 74 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, please do because it's like getting a bad echo 75 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:42,879 and I can't. 76 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: I couldn't make out what you were saying. That's all right, 77 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:48,360 that's all right, okay. 78 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,840 Speaker 3: The reason I was sends because I'll tell everybody this 79 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,120 around theason, and you know, as I passed, I'm excited 80 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,240 about both of them because I read about them. And 81 00:03:56,639 --> 00:03:59,039 I like the story about Elon Musk because he told 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,960 about the time when lived off of one dollar a day. 83 00:04:02,319 --> 00:04:04,280 I don't really believe that, but he and his mother 84 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,639 came on and so now they have a lot of 85 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,479 articles on Facebook about his mother, May Musk, and now 86 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:12,360 she's an older woman and she talks about when they 87 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,840 were poor. And so in this poem that I was 88 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:17,839 writing about look at them now, there was a pitchure 89 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:21,680 on Facebook of mister Elon Musk, of mister Mark Zuckenberg 90 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,759 and mister Jeff Beaso, and they were all dressed in 91 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,800 puxed was going to mister Trump's in Awkwad, and I 92 00:04:26,879 --> 00:04:28,680 began to look at them. And I looked at them, 93 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,480 and I said, I started writing the poem called look 94 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,920 at Them Now. I don't know this is going to 95 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:36,680 be great, but I write about the people and it says, 96 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,439 oh yes, they've had many restless nights when sleep refused 97 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:45,120 to fall. Oh yes, they say, look at us now, 98 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,399 then woke all night, but the sunrise gives them another 99 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,079 reason to get up and keep going. Oh yes, look 100 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,759 at them now. So what they're all saying is that 101 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,279 we all have to realize where these men come from. 102 00:04:59,079 --> 00:05:01,879 They were possibly not ever born in poverty, but they 103 00:05:01,879 --> 00:05:04,560 were not born rich, But they say, look at them 104 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,560 now from poverty. They may not have ever come, but 105 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,079 they have once known about how to be poor. So 106 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:15,360 everybody tells their story. Even with Jeff, they so he 107 00:05:15,439 --> 00:05:18,839 tells his mother was a sixteen year old pregnant girl 108 00:05:19,439 --> 00:05:22,720 and she had him and he's very happy that she 109 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,720 then have bought him. Even that story is very relating. 110 00:05:27,959 --> 00:05:31,319 We can relate to Barack Obama. These women at the 111 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,160 time when they were having these children. Sometimes they may 112 00:05:34,199 --> 00:05:36,480 have thought that, but they didn't do it, and look 113 00:05:36,519 --> 00:05:39,160 what they had. So this is what I write. I 114 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,120 write these things look I've even cut down on my food. 115 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,879 I was so excited about looking at the man who 116 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,079 has so much money, saying he can live off a 117 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,160 dollar a day. Sometimes I'll eat maybe a sandwich. I 118 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,120 try to see how what is the least I can eat. 119 00:05:53,399 --> 00:05:58,600 I just say they are very smart people. And I. 120 00:06:00,879 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Was gonna say they're inspirational. I mean, they inspired you 121 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:05,959 to write a poem. But but their story. 122 00:06:05,759 --> 00:06:10,199 Speaker 3: Is called inside in my World, and three publishers are writing. 123 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:16,319 Speaker 2: Oh, good for you, congratulations. No, that's great, congratulations. But 124 00:06:16,399 --> 00:06:19,680 I think but their their stories are and should serve 125 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,839 as I think inspirations for other people to say, well, 126 00:06:24,879 --> 00:06:26,920 if they could do it, I could do it too. 127 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: And why you know, why why not me? If them right? 128 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: And that's and that's what I think we should be 129 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,759 encouraging people to do. 130 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 1: I think Gail is going all right, Gail. I appreciate 131 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:42,639 the call. 132 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:47,319 Speaker 2: No, it's great, it's awesome about your book, and I 133 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,959 liked your poem as well. Look at them now, yeah, 134 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:54,680 I mean the the people who have become successful. It's 135 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,199 one of the things I learned a long time ago 136 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,639 when I would over the course of you know, my career, 137 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,399 inter viewing people who have become successful. 138 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: I never met any one of them. 139 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: And maybe that's just you know, sample size or something 140 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,800 that they don't want to talk to media or something. 141 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:10,759 Speaker 1: I don't know, but. 142 00:07:12,279 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: The people that I have met that have been really 143 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:20,000 successful always want to share how they became successful. They 144 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,800 want that for other people too. Why do you think 145 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,279 they start all these foundations? I guess the cynic would say, oh, 146 00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:28,920 they do that, you know, to rehab their image or whatever. 147 00:07:28,959 --> 00:07:32,720 And sure, that's part of it, you know, tax write offs. Okay, fine, 148 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,839 But when you talk to these individuals, they usually start 149 00:07:35,879 --> 00:07:40,319 talking about the hardest times they had and the lessons 150 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:44,120 that they learned in the hardest times that then led 151 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:48,959 to their success later because they would not have been 152 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,040 successful had they not had the hard times and the 153 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,920 failures at the beginning, and so they learned from them 154 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:01,439 and then go on to correct the failure, improve the 155 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,360 product or the service or the management approach or whatever 156 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:09,439 they learned they adapted, and then they tell people this 157 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,720 is here's a couple real quick rule for rule for life. 158 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:16,319 This is how to be successful. I have found this 159 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,000 to be true in my own life. I have recommended 160 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,160 it to others and it has worked for them as well, 161 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,279 Which is have a goal. 162 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:30,759 Speaker 1: Have a goal, and then tell people and you will. 163 00:08:30,519 --> 00:08:34,879 Speaker 2: Be amazed how many people can help you achieve that goal. 164 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:38,559 You can make the goal, give yourself a timeline, whether 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,000 it's a year or five years whatever. Make it a 166 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:45,279 reasonable goal, right, But it focuses your mind, and then 167 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,320 you tell people what you want to do. This is 168 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:50,919 what you want to be, where you want to go 169 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,320 or live or whatever. You tell people that goal, and 170 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,120 you be amazed how many people are in a position 171 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:02,360 to help you achieve that goal. And they want to 172 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:05,120 help you, but they never if you don't tell them, 173 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:07,720 they have no idea what you actually want. So have 174 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:09,840 the goal and tell other people what the goal is. 175 00:09:10,519 --> 00:09:14,960 My goal is to have a billion listeners. 176 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding. 177 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,039 Speaker 2: It's got to be a reasonable, realistic goal. And I 178 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:22,000 don't even know if I would want that, Actually I know, 179 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,720 I don't. I Like, the more famous you get, the 180 00:09:25,799 --> 00:09:29,240 more of a bunker you have to live in, because 181 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,240 like you got to you got to hire security, you 182 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,840 got to have like all of this this bubble operation 183 00:09:36,039 --> 00:09:38,759 working around you, because there are a lot of crazies 184 00:09:38,799 --> 00:09:39,159 out there. 185 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's just a piece. 186 00:09:42,039 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: Of advice I would offer to you that I received 187 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,799 from somebody else, and it actually works all right. If 188 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:48,600 you're listening to this show, you know I try to 189 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,480 keep up with all sorts of current events, and I 190 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,679 know you do too, And you've probably heard me say 191 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,879 get your news from multiple sources. 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I do want 212 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:04,840 to get to though, the North Carolina connection to the 213 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:11,399 executive order blocks that these leftists and their organizations have 214 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:14,960 been getting in the district courts around the country to 215 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,159 stop Trump from trying to root out corruption, waste, and fraud. 216 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:21,840 There is a North Carolina connection. Besides Mark Elias, there's 217 00:11:21,879 --> 00:11:26,120 another one. Gary says Don and his leftist nutjob friends 218 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,759 have crafted in their minds that Elon Musk is the 219 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:32,240 new Great Satan and controls Trump. Funny how Trump has 220 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:36,840 former Democrats Elon Toulcy Rfk, and they hate them all 221 00:11:36,879 --> 00:11:39,960 more now than Trump. It's all a political power game, 222 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,440 and Don is the idiot along for the leftist power 223 00:11:42,519 --> 00:11:43,120 game ride. 224 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:45,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those things. 225 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: Where you know you can't be the idiot and the 226 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:50,919 mastermind at the same time. 227 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 1: It's the same thing I said during the George W. 228 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:54,360 George W. 229 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: Bush years that they were constantly lampooning him as a 230 00:11:58,399 --> 00:12:03,679 complete moron. But some how also this diabolical mastermind, and 231 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,000 also just not for nothing. I've done a lot of 232 00:12:06,039 --> 00:12:08,440 research on Donald Trump over the years. I was against 233 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:11,440 his nomination in twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, so I did 234 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,799 a lot of the reading up on him at the time. 235 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,080 And there was one story where he said he was 236 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:21,679 he was talking about how he would whenever he goes 237 00:12:21,759 --> 00:12:24,039 to like one of these events where they have a 238 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:28,039 table set up with you know, like a like a fundraiser, 239 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:30,559 and you know, different peoples, they put them at the 240 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,399 same table. You know, it's like ten people at a 241 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,720 round table at some event, and he would always make 242 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,000 sure and he said this, he said he'd never wanted 243 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,320 to be at a table with anybody that was more 244 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,919 successful than he, because he wanted people to talk to 245 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:50,279 him about how successful he was. He said that, so 246 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:52,519 you could never put somebody at the table that was 247 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,759 worth more or is a bigger celebrity or whatever than 248 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:59,799 he was. That's what he said. So do I think 249 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,200 that he's bowing the need to elon Musk No, I 250 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:07,279 most certainly do not. 251 00:13:07,519 --> 00:13:09,159 Speaker 1: He is the leader of the free world. 252 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: I think that that box has been checked sufficiently for him. 253 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,080 He is the most powerful person at any table he 254 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,440 sits at. And they also share a common mission, a 255 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,840 common vision. They want the same thing. How it will end, 256 00:13:25,919 --> 00:13:30,759 I don't know, but Don and Tony projecting onto these 257 00:13:30,799 --> 00:13:34,840 guys' thoughts that Don nor Tony have any idea what 258 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,000 they actually are thinking. It's just it's preposterous, and it's lunacy. 259 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:44,440 People lunacy, get some help, okay, because you don't know 260 00:13:45,399 --> 00:13:47,960 the thing that you think you know, and that is 261 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,559 a sign of trouble mentally speaking. All right, I hope 262 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,159 you had a happy holiday season. But tell me if 263 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,879 something like this happened at your house. Your family and 264 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:00,519 friends are gathered around. Maybe y'all are in the living room, 265 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,240 You're laughing, swapping stories, reminiscing, and then somebody says, hey, Dad, 266 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,879 remember those old VHS tapes? Did you ever get them transferred? 267 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,919 And then the room gets all quiet. 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Engelmeyer, and I got more on him, 287 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:32,200 but he issued this temporary restraining order to block Elon 288 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,399 Musk from accessing federal payment systems that hold millions of 289 00:15:35,399 --> 00:15:40,720 Americans sensitive personal data and financial information. North Carolina had 290 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:46,080 joined eighteen other states ensuing the Trump administration for granting 291 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:49,879 the so called It's not a so called Department of 292 00:15:49,919 --> 00:15:54,480 Government Efficiency. It is the Department of Government Efficiency. They 293 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,559 renamed an existing agency, so it's not a so called 294 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:06,639 it is DOGE. United States District Judge paul A. Engelmeyer Schmidt, 295 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,559 I'm sorry, just Engelmeyer wrote that his firm assessment was 296 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:14,519 that allowing DOGE staffers such access could cause irreparable harm, 297 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:21,559 could cause Engelmeyer uh set the hearing before US District 298 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:24,519 Judge Jenet Vargas in New York, and that's going to 299 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:28,799 be tomorrow. In a statement, here's the North Carolina connection. 300 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,799 Because our Attorney General Jeff Jackson aka Baby Jesus, so 301 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,759 he signed on with these other Democrat states to sue. 302 00:16:39,919 --> 00:16:43,320 And I don't know if that's actually mentioned in the 303 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:47,799 McClatchy newspaper article that it was all Democrats that that 304 00:16:47,919 --> 00:16:50,960 sued over this, but apparently like they don't want to 305 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:55,080 know about waste, fraud and abuse. So Jackson said that 306 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:00,080 Engelmeyer had recognized the administration's move to hand DOGE access 307 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,519 to the Treasury Department was a violation of federal law 308 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:05,279 and a threat to people's privacy and security. 309 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 1: Either that or he's a leftist hack, which. 310 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, for now, DOJE can't access the Treasury system and 311 00:17:13,319 --> 00:17:15,960 the data it holds. He said, We're going to keep 312 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,079 fighting this case to uphold the long standing federal protections 313 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:25,759 of Americans confidential financial data. The Bureau, the Treasury Department's 314 00:17:25,759 --> 00:17:30,400 Bureau of Fiscal Services, is responsible for dispersing funds from 315 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,319 many essential federal programs. This is, according to their lawsuit, 316 00:17:34,599 --> 00:17:38,759 including medicaid, disaster relief funds from FEMA, grant program funding 317 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:42,599 for law enforcement and criminal justice programs, social Security benefits, 318 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:46,759 veterans benefits, childcare, tax credits, federal employee wages, and federal 319 00:17:46,799 --> 00:17:50,160 tax refunds. According to their complaint, the Bureau handles one 320 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,440 point two billion transactions a year and sends out ninety 321 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,480 percent of all federal payments. 322 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: So you can't look at those God forbid. 323 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 2: But we already know some of the stuff that they 324 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:07,119 have found, like regarding social Security stuff. The lawsuit says 325 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,279 that until recently, only a limited number of career civil 326 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:13,799 servants with necessary security clearances had access to the bureau's 327 00:18:13,839 --> 00:18:18,200 payment systems. Beginning on February second, the Treasury Department started 328 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,119 implementing a new policy granting access to political appointees and 329 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,240 special government employees who are staffing Doge, and so this 330 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,160 is an attempt to just gum. 331 00:18:30,039 --> 00:18:32,559 Speaker 1: Up the works. You can't look at any of this stuff. 332 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,759 Speaker 2: And here's a reason, and if that reason doesn't hold, 333 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:38,920 by the way, they will come up with another reason. 334 00:18:39,039 --> 00:18:43,920 That's the playbook. The states argue that the new policy 335 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:49,839 grants expanded access and that poses huge cybersecurity risks. This 336 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,599 is the third lawsuit North Carolina joined against the Trump administration. 337 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,680 The other two multi state suits Jackson joined seek to 338 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:01,000 block Trump's executive order that attempted to end right citizenship, 339 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:05,839 as well as the executive order to freeze certain federal 340 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,200 grants another funding while a review of spending is conducted. 341 00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:13,519 So these are the things that again he is or 342 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:21,559 the well Democrats with bylines, but the reporters have not Yeah, 343 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,240 they did not say that these were all Democrats. State 344 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:29,880 attorneys general. Now, Judge Engelmeyer, apparently there was a report 345 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:36,359 that his wife is linked to an NGNGO that is 346 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:45,480 funded by USAID. I feel like that's a conflict of interest. 347 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,880 She works for the New York Association for New Americans 348 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:58,519 and they have gotten USAID grant money. Governor Josh Stein 349 00:19:58,599 --> 00:20:01,240 then set down for an interview with Brian Gordon. 350 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: As governor. Josh Stein, Democrat, says he's concerned by what 351 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:09,720 he called musks move fast and break things mindset. Now. 352 00:20:09,799 --> 00:20:12,880 Speaker 2: Musk also says, by the way that yes, we're moving fast, 353 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,720 and if we break anything, then we fix it, and 354 00:20:15,759 --> 00:20:17,440 we do so quickly. 355 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:18,519 Speaker 1: That's the point. 356 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: But he says this mindset and what policies rooted in 357 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,559 this approach might mean for North Carolina. He's very concerned. 358 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,599 The state rank sixth in the nation for NIH funding 359 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,359 and is home to two of the biggest NIH grant 360 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,319 recipients in Duke University. In unc Chapel, hill Stein says, 361 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:40,559 I believe in going fast, but people need to understand 362 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:43,480 the consequences that if you go too fast you can 363 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:47,079 create real harm to Democrats' long march through the institutions. 364 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:51,920 I'm just kidding, I added that last part. He then says, 365 00:20:52,079 --> 00:20:55,920 we should always look for efficiency, but if spending or 366 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,960 and if spending is not delivering a return, we shouldn't 367 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,960 do it. But research on basic medicine through our university 368 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,319 system and nonprofit partners is not waste. It's how we 369 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,000 advance medicine, it's how we save lives. Does this sound familiar. Right, 370 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,839 This is the poster Child argument or the Mott and 371 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,160 Bailey fallacy. 372 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Right. 373 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:21,039 Speaker 2: He highlights these things that have general agreement on, These 374 00:21:21,079 --> 00:21:27,640 are non controversial things, in order to avoid discussing the 375 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:33,119 controversial and indefensible things that we're spending money on. He's 376 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,960 doing it too. I know that's a shock. 377 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: Right. 378 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: Here's a great idea. How about making an escape to 379 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,920 a really special and secluded getaway in western North Carolina. 380 00:21:43,039 --> 00:21:45,200 Just a quick drive up the mountain and Cabins of 381 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,599 Asheville is your connection. 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What can the state do or 410 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,200 what is the state doing to counter these policies. 411 00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:33,599 Speaker 1: Right, I'm glad for the Q and A. 412 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,759 Speaker 2: I'm glad for this transcript because that question assumes a position. 413 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:49,000 That question assumes that the policies should be continued. Right, 414 00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:53,079 what can the state do to counter these policies? Well, 415 00:23:53,079 --> 00:23:55,960 what are the policies? What is it Trump is trying 416 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,160 to do? What is the DOGE people? What are they 417 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,640 trying to do? They're trying to root out fraudulent payments 418 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:09,119 and wasteful programs. Why would that need to be countered? 419 00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:10,759 Speaker 1: See? 420 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: But by asking the question the way they asked it, 421 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,480 it assumes the position that surprise, surprise. Coincidentally, the Democrat 422 00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:22,319 agrees with Stein says, well, the Attorney General's brought actions 423 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,440 to put a stop to the policies where it's contrary 424 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,039 to law, and that work will continue. And I've talked 425 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:32,759 to you know, Senators Tom Tillis and Ted budd to 426 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:36,519 express my real concerns about these drastic NIH cuts. 427 00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: See. 428 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:41,599 Speaker 2: So he's now just focusing on the NIH National Institute's health. 429 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,839 He's focusing on only that. And this is a pattern 430 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,799 throughout this entire interview. He says, reaching out to our 431 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:53,079 federal representatives to urge them to use their power as 432 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,759 the Congress to ensure the will of the Congress is 433 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:58,519 respected by the president. Yeah, unless they roll all of 434 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:00,759 these things in once identified. See, once they get the 435 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,240 list of all of the problems, then they just roll 436 00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:08,039 that into a funding bill, into the continuing resolution, and 437 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:13,039 they just ram it through under reconciliation. And then all 438 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:18,240 of your court challenges are moot, not mute, mootot. 439 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: There's a difference. Anyway. 440 00:25:21,519 --> 00:25:24,039 Speaker 2: Then there's this part you wrote in a letter Monday 441 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:27,559 to President Trump. You support cutting government waste where it exists. 442 00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,160 From your time as Attorney general and in your time 443 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,000 as governor, do you see areas of waste in the 444 00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:36,400 state that would be worth trying to make more efficient? 445 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,640 And Stein's response is, well, let's continue this conversation because 446 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:44,559 I'm going through the state budget as we speak, going 447 00:25:44,599 --> 00:25:47,519 through it with a fine tooth comb. So the answer 448 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:54,480 there is no, he has not identified anything yet at 449 00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:58,400 the state level waste, fraud, and abuse. He hasn't identified 450 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,359 anything yet. Although if I'm a bit and man, I'm 451 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:09,079 saying I bet he identifies school vouchers. That is, that 452 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,079 is what they always point to as wasteful spending. It's 453 00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:18,480 the one thing so well in the military, right, I'm 454 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,960 sure they could also he could also identify that, but 455 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,559 but that's not at a state level. So he then 456 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,240 concludes the interview. He says, go fast and break things 457 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,000 seems to be the mo of mister Musk, and I 458 00:26:31,079 --> 00:26:33,359 believe in going fast, but people need to understand the 459 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,240 consequences that if you go too fast you can create 460 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,200 real harm. And if you can get to the same 461 00:26:38,279 --> 00:26:40,359 place that you wanted to go in terms of changing 462 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,279 the structure of a program or reducing expenses without causing 463 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:47,880 harm to people's lives, that's the better way to go. Okay, 464 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,880 first off, causing harm to people's lives, does that include 465 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,720 firing anybody? Because I could, like, if you leave it 466 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,480 that undefined, it could also mean that, right, in which 467 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,240 case then you can never get rid of these programs. 468 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,440 By the way, somebody mentioned I forget who it was, 469 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,000 and maybe don early in the last hour, you know 470 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,359 who pointed to what Elon Musk did at Twitter where 471 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,279 he fired eighty percent of the workforce when he took over, 472 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,799 and everybody said he's going to ruin Twitter. It's going 473 00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,400 to go out of business, and it needs all these 474 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:26,160 people and whatever. You don't hear that anymore, Like he 475 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,400 fired eighty percent of the workforce, and there hasn't been 476 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:32,480 any difference that I have seen from a user end. 477 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,359 So what does that tell you? The natural tendency of 478 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:44,319 these organizations is to get larger, especially government. Who are 479 00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:47,000 the people here that you're worried about causing harm to? 480 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,240 Is it the starving children in Africa? Or is it 481 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:54,200 the bureaucrats. Also note there is no attempt here to 482 00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:57,720 play the defend and disavow game with the Democrat because 483 00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,960 that's a game solely reserved for Republicans. Right. There is 484 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,960 no bringing forward like, well, here's some Guatemalan sex changes. 485 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,960 That's a specific expense paid for with taxpayer dollars through USAID? 486 00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,279 Is that an appropriate expenditure? Would you consider that to 487 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:16,160 be waste, fraud or abuse? Like these things are out there. 488 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:20,599 They can ask democrats do you support this program? This program, 489 00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,319 this program. They can go through and do that, but 490 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:26,000 they're not doing it. The media is not asking democrats. 491 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,640 They are either uninterested in doing so, it never crosses 492 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,440 their mind, or they know that that putting that question 493 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,759 to a Democrat is going to jam them up and 494 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:39,880 so they don't do it, defend and disavow. It's only 495 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,160 a game that Republicans are ever forced to play with 496 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:42,640 the media. 497 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 498 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:47,240 so much for listening. 499 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 2: I could not do the show without your support and 500 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,240 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 501 00:28:52,599 --> 00:28:54,680 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 502 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,440 them you heard it here. 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