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<v Speaker 1>It's night Sime with Dan Ray. I'm telling easy.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about three illegal teacher strikes that will be

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing tomorrow, one in Gloucester, one in Beverly and one

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<v Speaker 2>in marble Head. This is a bad situation for the

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<v Speaker 2>students and for the people who live in those communities.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know that parents because I was a parent

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<v Speaker 2>and still am. But I was a parent of kids

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<v Speaker 2>in school and one of the things you always want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure of is that your child is treated

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<v Speaker 2>as well as fairly as possible, and so it's very

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<v Speaker 2>difficult for parents for those communities to call and complain. However,

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you that this is very difficult. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a tremendous imposition on them. And my proposal is very simple,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is that all all negotiations between a community

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<v Speaker 2>and the teachers' union would be limited to the months

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<v Speaker 2>of July and August. They can begin the negotiations a

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<v Speaker 2>year before the contract is to expire, and then in

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<v Speaker 2>the summer after the contract has expired, they would renew

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<v Speaker 2>the conversations, the negotiations with a mediator, arbiter, whatever you want,

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<v Speaker 2>and there would be a final decision made by the

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<v Speaker 2>mediator the arbiter in late August, so there would be

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<v Speaker 2>no interruption in school, and the new contract for whatever

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<v Speaker 2>length three years, two years, four years, would go into

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<v Speaker 2>effect the day the school starts. There would be no

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<v Speaker 2>interruption by an illegal strike if all of the negotiations

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<v Speaker 2>were completed by the day that the other contract expires

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<v Speaker 2>or when the new contract would have to be in place.

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<v Speaker 2>It's as simple as that. What the teachers Union does

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<v Speaker 2>is theyay, delayed, delay, and then they have a strike.

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<v Speaker 2>And I am interested in your thoughts on it. I've

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<v Speaker 2>made mind pretty clear. I'm sure there are some teachers

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<v Speaker 2>out there who are upset with my Maybe there's some

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<v Speaker 2>teachers out there who agree with me. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>the Teachers' Union, the leadership of the teachers Union, is

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<v Speaker 2>doing a disservice not only to their members, but also

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<v Speaker 2>to the students that their members teach, and to the

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<v Speaker 2>parents and the community, the residents of these communities that

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<v Speaker 2>pay the teachers salaries. Guys, get back to the calls.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to do this for another hour. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is a critically important issue, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a critically important issue that you should be able to

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<v Speaker 2>speak about. Let's go to Steve and Lynn. Steve, agree

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<v Speaker 2>or disagree, You're next on Nightsig, go right ahead, Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome, Hey, hey Dan, thank you. First, I'll get this

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<v Speaker 3>out of the way. I agree that they should not

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<v Speaker 3>be able to strike. But you mentioned that the union

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<v Speaker 3>uses the children as leverage, and I would argue with

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<v Speaker 3>you that the administrations and the cities and towns do

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask you this. Okay, I take your point,

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<v Speaker 2>but let me ask you a question. How does the

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<v Speaker 2>city in town take advantage of the children by not

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<v Speaker 2>fulfilling or coming to an agreement that yet? Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so if the teacher okay, let me just ask a

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<v Speaker 2>question and then I'll shut up and listen to that answer. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So the teachers Union comes in and says we want

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<v Speaker 2>in this particular negotiation that we talked with the chair

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<v Speaker 2>of the school committee up in Marblehead earlier, Jennifer Schaffner,

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<v Speaker 2>the teachers Union is looking for a thirty three percent

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<v Speaker 2>pay raise over four years, essentially, you know, eight, eight,

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<v Speaker 2>eight and eight over the next four years. The average

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<v Speaker 2>salary right now of the teachers Union is around ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six thousand dollars you can do the math. Eight thousand

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<v Speaker 2>is going to eight percent, is going to get up

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<v Speaker 2>to about one hundred and three. Another eight percent is

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<v Speaker 2>going to get it up in the second year to

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and eleven. The third year they may

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<v Speaker 2>have about one hundred and twenty, and the fourth year

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be you'd be topping out of one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand dollars. Is that reasonable?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not, So I'll tell you that. You know, in

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<v Speaker 3>the marble Head situation, I'm not sure what's going on

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<v Speaker 3>in Beverly and Gloucester. They're already those teachers are already

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<v Speaker 3>at the higher end of the scale in the state.

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<v Speaker 3>And to ask for a thirty two percent increase of

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<v Speaker 3>a four years, I think is outrageous. Thirty three what

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<v Speaker 3>I would so to my point about how the towns

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<v Speaker 3>leverage the students, yep, and I'm married to an educator, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>elementary school teacher.

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<v Speaker 4>The teachers in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Town where my wife works are always the last to

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<v Speaker 3>get their contract. They settle with the police, they settle

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<v Speaker 3>with the fire, they settle with the public works people first,

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<v Speaker 3>and then and then they decide to sit down and

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<v Speaker 3>negotiate with the teachers. So the teachers oftentimes work a

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<v Speaker 3>year maybe two years without a contract, but they know

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to do that because they're not going to strike,

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<v Speaker 3>and they leave them till the very end. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the police and fire gets three four five percent raises

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<v Speaker 3>each year over the course of their contract. The teachers

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<v Speaker 3>get two percent two and a half percent maybe over

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<v Speaker 3>the course of their contract. So there's a pattern of,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, not good faith negotiation on the parts

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<v Speaker 3>of the cities and towns here and the teachers in

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<v Speaker 3>several situations. And I'm not saying in this particular situation

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<v Speaker 3>the teachers are just kind of trying to stand up

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<v Speaker 3>for themselves, which I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I take your points. So my question is this, do

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<v Speaker 2>not identify the town that your wife teachers in, But

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<v Speaker 2>how long has she been teaching? Is how long has

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<v Speaker 2>she been a teacher?

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<v Speaker 4>Eighteen years, nineteen years?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so she should be at the higher end of

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<v Speaker 2>the pay scale. What's the average not your wife's salary,

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<v Speaker 2>but what is the average salary of teachers in that

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<v Speaker 2>school system?

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<v Speaker 3>And I honestly I don't know off the top of

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<v Speaker 3>my head, but she's nowhere near what the averages and

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<v Speaker 3>marble Head. I can tell you that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there's a website that is run by the Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>Department of Education Public Information. You can just google department

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<v Speaker 2>at Massachusetts Department of Education or Massachusetts DOE slash teachers Salaries. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you are calling from Lynn. I don't know, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to know whether you teach her, whether your

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<v Speaker 2>wife teaches in Lynn. However, let me if I can

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<v Speaker 2>can really quickly google this and and we can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about just Linn teachers. Since you if you own a

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<v Speaker 2>home in Lynn, you're paying for it's your real estate taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>That essentially I believe.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe that so.

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<v Speaker 3>And she does not teach in the Lynn school district.

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<v Speaker 4>But I do know from from looking at around, I

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<v Speaker 4>think Lynn is kind of a middle of the road

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<v Speaker 4>type of type of district.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so what do you think they have?

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<v Speaker 4>Carlisle, mass is the highest to tell you the truth?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you What do you think of? What

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<v Speaker 2>do you think teachers and Linn are.

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<v Speaker 4>Getting on for the for their average?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I don't even want to

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<v Speaker 3>put a guest for if you have it there in

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<v Speaker 3>front of you, just talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to get it right now. Just well, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>aazitting to fill some time from me here, Okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh yeah, So when your factor in the newbies who

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<v Speaker 4>come in and the people who have been here for

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<v Speaker 4>twenty five years, maybe maybe in in the low eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's see, let's find let's find out. Let's see,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's see what we got it. Okay. So Linn,

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<v Speaker 2>the average teacher salary in Linn, Okay, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that I got the correct number here.

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<v Speaker 2>Average salary in Linn as of two thousand and twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>the Colondar year twenty twenty to twenty twenty one, you're

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<v Speaker 2>pretty close eighty two thousand, one hundred and sixty two dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's four years ago. So if you were to

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<v Speaker 2>give it a two percent raise, they're probably now closer

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<v Speaker 2>to the mid nineties for an average salary in Lynn

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<v Speaker 2>or the loan nineties. In Marblehead, which is the school

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<v Speaker 2>district we were talking to earlier, the average salary is

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<v Speaker 2>eighty four thousand, so is pretty close. And Gloucester, which

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<v Speaker 2>again four years ago. Now I assumed that the salaries

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<v Speaker 2>have gone up gloss of eighty six three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>sixty and Beverly was right around that area. Now, I

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<v Speaker 2>would assume that in four years those salaries have all

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<v Speaker 2>gone up, so they're all kind of grouped very similarly.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a lot of people who are paying

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<v Speaker 2>the real estate taxes in Lennon elsewhere who are not

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<v Speaker 2>making anywhere near that.

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<v Speaker 3>You had a guest earlier, say a college say that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know a lot of these teachers don't even live

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<v Speaker 3>in that town, so they don't care about the town. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>they can't afford to live in those towns, is what would.

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<v Speaker 4>Be my argument back.

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<v Speaker 3>They'd love to live in Marblehead, but they can't afford

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<v Speaker 3>it based on their salaries.

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<v Speaker 2>So everyone, no matter what they do, whether you're a

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<v Speaker 2>plumber or electrician or or or whatever, you you make

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<v Speaker 2>you determinations on where you live. You know, in a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different communities. Obviously are great communities, but you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody decides they want to be a teacher. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think about the idea since your wife is a

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<v Speaker 2>teacher or an educator, what do you think about the

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<v Speaker 2>idea that all the negotiations can only be done in

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<v Speaker 2>the months of July and August, So if let us

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<v Speaker 2>say you had a contract that was going to expire

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<v Speaker 2>this this June thirtieth, the school committee and the teachers'

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<v Speaker 2>unions would have to have some negotiations this past summer,

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<v Speaker 2>and then when the contract expires next June, they would

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<v Speaker 2>have to have negotiations and then have to sit with

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<v Speaker 2>a mediator and arboritrumy you know, binding arbitration, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would then be a contract would be agreed upon by

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning of the new school year, so there would

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<v Speaker 2>be no interruption. Parents would know that what the schedule was.

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<v Speaker 2>And would you would you think your wife and her

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<v Speaker 2>union or her fellow teachers would support that. I do.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna speak for them, but I personally have

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<v Speaker 4>no problem with that. But I would say you should

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<v Speaker 4>put similar guardrails around police, fire municipal workers, state and

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<v Speaker 4>county municipal work.

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<v Speaker 2>That's reasonable. I think that's reasonable. Most of those folks

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<v Speaker 2>police a fire cont strike.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, No, but they I mean I don't remember when recently,

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<v Speaker 4>but there have been sick outs and the blue flu

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<v Speaker 4>and whatever else you call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but that's a that's a little different than a

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<v Speaker 2>complete strike. When you say to understood, dear, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if all of a sudden, we're going to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>six six some people out. Anyway, Look, you make some

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<v Speaker 2>nice counterpoints, Steve, and I appreciate you taking the time

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<v Speaker 2>to call. Would love to get the head of the

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<v Speaker 2>teachers Union some night. We've invited him to come on,

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<v Speaker 2>but at the head of the Massachusetts Teachers Association, the MTA.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, they they're a very powerful institution and

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<v Speaker 2>the politicians willing to take them on. So I think

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<v Speaker 2>in in in, you know, in the absence of the politicians,

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<v Speaker 2>someone has to and I'll accept that responsibility.

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<v Speaker 4>One quick comment before you go.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if I were a teacher, and I couldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>because I think I'd be in jail for either either

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<v Speaker 3>for disciplining or standing up to a parent who's being unreasonable,

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<v Speaker 3>I think i'd lose it. But if I was a teacher,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a whole other topic.

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<v Speaker 4>And I thank you den have a great night you too.

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<v Speaker 2>One line at six one, seven, two, five, four, ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get to Kathy and Michael, and again,

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<v Speaker 2>if you don't think this is an important time topic

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't live in Beverly, Gloucester or Marblehead, you're

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<v Speaker 2>and say that these teachers unions. Look, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>enforce it's illegal to strike. Okay, it's we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>enforce that, just like it's illegal to speed in your car,

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the phones, we go. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy and Stone. Kathy, appreciate your patience. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 4>Go right ahead, Hi, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I just had a call because my daughter is a

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<v Speaker 5>she just talks about the unions, how they are strictly

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<v Speaker 5>for the teachers should be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you know they represent the teachers. So but

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<v Speaker 2>the question is who puts You got to have some control,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that that the laws in Massachusetts give.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's illegal to strike, but what what what

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<v Speaker 2>consequence is there? That's the problem. You know, they it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's illegal for you to rob a bank. But you know, Kathy,

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<v Speaker 2>if they said, well, if you give the money back,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll be okay. You know, more people be robbing banks.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't you think you're right? No, I agree with you,

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<v Speaker 5>but she said, it's really one side and their their focus.

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<v Speaker 5>But on the other hand, I agree with with your

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<v Speaker 5>idea of negotiating during the summer months.

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<v Speaker 2>It should be compulsory. You you have to negotiate, uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And not only do you have to, you know, before

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<v Speaker 2>the final year of the contract. You can spend some

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<v Speaker 2>time in July and August. If you can reach an agreement, great.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't reach an agreement, UH, then you wait

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<v Speaker 2>until the next July and August, and you have an

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<v Speaker 2>arbitr there, you know some you know, mandatory negotiation, arbitration,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you however you want to call it. And at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day there will be You'll be

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe a former judge or someone like that who

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<v Speaker 2>will say, Okay, the union's looking for seven percent, the

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<v Speaker 2>town is offering two percent. We'll settle at four percent

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. You know, whatever that individual thinks it's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's it. You have to have some finality that

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to drag these teachers' unions into court tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to tell them your strike's going on, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to find you ten thousand dollars a day.

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<v Speaker 2>The teachers union is going to laugh at the judges,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, right, and they'll be like, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the problem. You know, when public education in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 2>is so important, these kids only have what is it,

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<v Speaker 2>twelve ye well, if you add kindergarten, they got thirteen

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<v Speaker 2>years of one hundred and eighty days. And at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>if they're not going on to college, that's it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And you take away a couple of weeks of classroom opportunities,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, the kids are the losers here.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with you. And not only that you have

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<v Speaker 5>a large days and a half days. Oh well, the

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<v Speaker 5>kids don't get a total amount of days. They really don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I was stunned. I was stunded at the numbers

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, they call them, you know, professional development

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<v Speaker 2>days or whatever, and I don't know what that really means,

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<v Speaker 2>but uh yeah, I mean it's a it's a job

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<v Speaker 2>that runs September through June, so it's been a ten

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<v Speaker 2>month job. Now there's there's a Christmas vacation, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>there's the February vacation, there's the April vacation, so that

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<v Speaker 2>in effect takes about a month away. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that it's a good job. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>want to be teachers. Nobody was drafted to be a teacher.

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<v Speaker 2>They are the year because they view themselves as educators.

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<v Speaker 2>Well educate you know, let let the labor unions negotiate.

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<v Speaker 2>The labor union negotiate for you. But you've got to

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<v Speaker 2>have some you got to have some some guardrails. You

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<v Speaker 2>can't have what's going on in these three communities right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you is your have you talked to your daughter

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<v Speaker 2>about these three strikes and some of the other strikes

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<v Speaker 5>Recently, Well, she disagrees, I mean, she disagrees with the

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<v Speaker 5>strikes because she thinks that there is a limited amount

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<v Speaker 5>of money. Also because it's likely repercussions. She talks about

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<v Speaker 5>the strike in Newton and saying that eventually they they're

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<v Speaker 5>talking about letting teachers go. So it's like this vicious

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<v Speaker 5>circle because you need the teachers, but then the town

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<v Speaker 5>can only absorb so much money. I mean, the very

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<v Speaker 5>easy for these town people whoever's in charge, to say,

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<v Speaker 5>almost just got a little bit more tax and more

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<v Speaker 5>and more because if well it's like governments and they

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<v Speaker 5>don't know the repercussions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they can't because because we have the Prop two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half override. So in order to get an override,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to they have to, you know, in order

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<v Speaker 2>to have tax increases more than two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>percent on the town levy, they they have to have

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<v Speaker 2>an override. Thank god for two and a half percent.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god for the people who made sure that that

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<v Speaker 2>that was codified in Massachusetts and spend that way for

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<v Speaker 2>about forty forty four years now. And look, I wish

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<v Speaker 2>they could pay every teacher a million dollars a year,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's not realistic. I could say I wish I

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<v Speaker 2>pay every teacher two million dollars a year, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>not realistic.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a lot of respect for teachers, but they

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<v Speaker 5>do get the summers off. They work hard, and they

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<v Speaker 5>really do, and there's a lot of paperwork, a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of responsibility. They excuse they do, but they get the vacations,

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<v Speaker 5>they get the sick days. And I have a friend

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<v Speaker 5>who retired from Boston and she got a payout of

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<v Speaker 5>about sixty thousand dollars just for sick days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, there aren't many. There aren't many companies

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<v Speaker 2>in the private sector where you can accumulate sick days

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<v Speaker 2>that be paid for those sick days when you retire.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>You must be getting fifty thousand dollars a year at

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<v Speaker 5>least every year for pension. You don't get that from

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<v Speaker 5>many jobs either.

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<v Speaker 2>No pensions. Pensions in the private sector went away about

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<v Speaker 2>thirty years ago for the most part. So yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>as simple as that. Kathy, thank you very much. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>your daughter for what she does. And she's she's invited

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<v Speaker 2>to call in any other night we pick up this subject.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Kathy, Thank you, Tim, Talk to you soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Have a great night. Okay, I got I got wide

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<v Speaker 2>open lines here. So it sounds to me like this

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<v Speaker 2>is a subject people really aren't interested in and a

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what I feel. This is such an

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<v Speaker 2>important subject. I'm not going to give up on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to go to news. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that I have lines at six one, seven, two, five,

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<v Speaker 2>four to ten thirty and lines at six one, seven, nine, three, one,

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. And if you don't think that this is

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<v Speaker 2>a critical issue for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you're mistaken. So far, no one from the Teachers' Union

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<v Speaker 2>or the teachers has disagreed with me. I think there

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<v Speaker 2>has to be as a result of these strikes, there

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<v Speaker 2>has to be a brand new look. And I'm giving

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<v Speaker 2>you the proposal. I don't think anyone else has suggested this. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, negotiations would have to start the summer

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<v Speaker 2>before the contract expires. You can have ten sessions, you

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<v Speaker 2>can have thirty sessions. But if you do not wrap

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<v Speaker 2>it up the summer before the contract expires, then you

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<v Speaker 2>have compulsory arbitration, mediation, whatever you want to call. Maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you have former judges, former superintendents, former educators, maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>have You can have a committee of three people, but

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<v Speaker 2>they have to come to a decision. If the union

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<v Speaker 2>and the town of the city doesn't reach an agreement,

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<v Speaker 2>then it has to be settled, has to be settled,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the only way you can avoid teacher strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Teacher strikes in Massachusetts are absolutely illegal. Okay. They they're

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<v Speaker 2>on strike tomorrow in Marblehead, they're on strike in Beverly,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're on strike in Gloucester. And so they will

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<v Speaker 2>be thousands of kids tomorrow who will not be educated

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<v Speaker 2>in those communities. Just another reason where Massachusetts is going

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<v Speaker 2>down the tubes. If you disagree, bring it on. If

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<v Speaker 2>you agree, I want to hear your voice, because guess what,

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<v Speaker 2>you have politicians in Massachusetts who have no backbone, they

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<v Speaker 2>have no spine. This is not a popular position. I

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<v Speaker 2>know the teachers you need to be very upset with this.

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<v Speaker 2>We've invited them to come on and discuss it. I

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<v Speaker 2>suspect they won't, but I think it's in the interest

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<v Speaker 2>of my audience and it's the interest of the Comwealth

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<v Speaker 2>of Massachusetts that we bring some balance to this. Six

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty. This is not intellectually a

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<v Speaker 2>challenging issue. Emotionally, it's a challenging issue, and I'm putting

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<v Speaker 2>my position out and I want to hear yours agree

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<v Speaker 2>or disagree. Coming back on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on the Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ,

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<v Speaker 6>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>In my audience has responded, and I appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, never disappointment. We'll get to everyone. I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get it going here. CG in Gabridge, CG, you're

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<v Speaker 2>next on night Side. I don't care if you agree

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<v Speaker 2>you disagree with me. I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>you're thinking, what do you think? CG.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree with you partially. Uh, you're always up pretty

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<v Speaker 7>well in tuned. What's going on. The one thing that

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<v Speaker 7>my union did well, we couldn't get raises. It took

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<v Speaker 7>us four years to get raises in the city. Was

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<v Speaker 7>saying that we have to wait till the money comes

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<v Speaker 7>in from the state and federal government. Well, we gave

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<v Speaker 7>up that argument and we ended up hiring accountant and

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<v Speaker 7>we did an audit of the school and of the city,

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<v Speaker 7>and we found where they hid the money. All the

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<v Speaker 7>money that was coming in from different fees and funds

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<v Speaker 7>that came through the city went into what we ended

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<v Speaker 7>up calling us slush funds. And there was millions of

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<v Speaker 7>dollars there, and they said, oh, we have to save

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<v Speaker 7>that for emergencies. Well, this is an emergency. We haven't

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<v Speaker 7>had a raisin four years.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, CG, that go to the table. Then yeah, let

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<v Speaker 2>me just say this, CJ. That was what a good

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<v Speaker 2>union does. A good union did the work. They felt

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<v Speaker 2>that something was being kept from them, and I assumed

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<v Speaker 2>that hopefully you got your your rais and then some.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, I don't know what you did for the city.

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<v Speaker 2>But you weren't a police officer, you weren't a firefighter,

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<v Speaker 2>and you weren't a teacher. Because police officer, firefighters, and

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<v Speaker 2>teachers can't strike.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a legal but they can.

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<v Speaker 7>They can before workouts and after workouts. They can go

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<v Speaker 7>out on to the streets and let the people know

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<v Speaker 7>what's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>They could, well, sure they can, surely can. They can

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<v Speaker 2>write letters to the editor, they can pick it. They

429
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<v Speaker 2>can demonstrate. But if you're at home and and something's

430
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<v Speaker 2>wrong in your house and you smell smoke, and you

431
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<v Speaker 2>call the fight department and they say, gee, the guys

432
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<v Speaker 2>are on strike tonight. Sorry, well we might be able

433
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<v Speaker 2>to send someone home. They can't. You can't live like that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's or you know, if all of a sudden someone's

435
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<v Speaker 2>breaking through your front door, you call nine to one one.

436
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you heard, but there's a police strike.

437
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<v Speaker 2>Got to kind of handle the situation yourself.

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<v Speaker 7>Can't do it, No, you can handle it another way

439
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<v Speaker 7>by showing demonstrations before and have to work out well.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, and I'm just suggesting my my proposal is that

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<v Speaker 2>the year before the contract expires, So the summer before

442
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<v Speaker 2>the contract is going to expire June thirtieth, right that

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<v Speaker 2>first summer, Uh, you still got a year left in

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<v Speaker 2>the contract. You have a sit down, you have meetings,

445
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<v Speaker 2>and you see if you can work it out. Then

446
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<v Speaker 2>if you don't work it out and the contract expires

447
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<v Speaker 2>the following June, then you have meetings and you have

448
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<v Speaker 2>binding arbitration, and you basically have a list of our

449
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<v Speaker 2>you know, mediators whatever you want to call them, arbiters,

450
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<v Speaker 2>former judges, people who are who will be fair, and

451
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<v Speaker 2>they'll listen to both sides and they'll say, okay, this

452
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<v Speaker 2>is what they say. This they try to bring you

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<v Speaker 2>to agreement. If they can't, they're gonna say, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna stay it, you want seven percent and you're only

455
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<v Speaker 2>going to offer one percent. I'm gonna make a decision,

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<v Speaker 2>and they make it decision and they say it's a

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<v Speaker 2>final decision. You're going to get four and a half

458
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<v Speaker 2>percent or whatever. And if the union acts more reasonably,

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<v Speaker 2>let the arportrator the mediator be more you know, considered

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<v Speaker 2>of the city of town. Or conversely, I mean if

461
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<v Speaker 2>in a situation where the teachers haven't had strikes, haven't

462
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<v Speaker 2>had raised in some time, they should be compensated more.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make it fair. It's not fair as

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<v Speaker 2>it is now. Kids are held hostage and they're used

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<v Speaker 2>as pawns.

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<v Speaker 7>In my opinion, no, I go along with that fact.

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<v Speaker 7>But I still think you have to force the administration

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<v Speaker 7>to the table.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how you force them. I just gave you the

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<v Speaker 2>way they're forced to sit with the agree with you

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<v Speaker 2>the year before, and then they're forced to get into

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<v Speaker 2>good faith negotiation in July and August because we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to have a contract. I'm judged so and so or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>We will have a contract and it's and and the

475
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<v Speaker 2>courts would uphold the contract. And then the union would say,

476
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<v Speaker 2>you know, we have some leverage, but we can't overplay

477
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<v Speaker 2>our hand. We can't going and look for twenty percent,

478
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<v Speaker 2>you know, bring some rationality to it. But you have

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<v Speaker 2>no politicians in leadership in this state that are willing

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<v Speaker 2>to adopt that position. So what's happened is going to

481
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<v Speaker 2>be town after town after town is going to have

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<v Speaker 2>teacher strikes. We've already had some. We got three going

483
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<v Speaker 2>on right now. CJ has always I appreciate your time.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, very good, Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>May talk to you soon. Let me go next to

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<v Speaker 2>Mike and nowell Mike, you were next on nightside, Go

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead. Okay, let's put Mike on hold because he

488
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't ready, but that's okay. When he comes back on Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>please let him know that he has to be ready.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, we'll go to Stephen Bridgewater. Steve, you

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<v Speaker 2>are next one. Nice, I go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>How you knowing? Dan out there? Nice? Talking you again,

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<v Speaker 4>right back at you. I agree with you because you

494
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<v Speaker 4>make a very good point. It's going to become contagious

495
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<v Speaker 4>kind of where one town's going to say, oh look,

496
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<v Speaker 4>other town's doing it, do it too?

497
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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

498
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<v Speaker 4>And it's going to one town after the other is

499
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<v Speaker 4>going to do it and kind of think they can

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<v Speaker 4>get away with it. I agree, using the students's pawns,

501
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<v Speaker 4>and they're missing out on school days of weeks of

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<v Speaker 4>school because of labor disputes, So I agree, you can.

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<v Speaker 8>If you know that you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you know the geography of Massachusetts, you got Beverly, Marblehead,

505
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<v Speaker 2>and Glosster. Those are three communities pretty close to each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Go right ahead, I interrupted you. I apologize, Go ahead, No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's okay.

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<v Speaker 4>Other thing is you can tell them you're not going

509
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<v Speaker 4>to have a job, But I wouldn't put them put

510
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<v Speaker 4>someone threatened jail that I wouldn't threaten jail then, but

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<v Speaker 4>I would say, look, if you don't go back to work,

512
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<v Speaker 4>you're not going to have a job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that I would. I would if it.

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<v Speaker 2>The only time that you threaten jail would be if

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<v Speaker 2>the union would then say the union leadership would say, well,

516
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<v Speaker 2>well we don't agree. We entered into binding arbitration, it

517
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<v Speaker 2>didn't work out to our advantage, and now we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to strike the proposal that I have. You have to

519
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<v Speaker 2>negotiate the summer prior to when the contract expires. You

520
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<v Speaker 2>got to engage in positions. And then after the contract

521
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<v Speaker 2>expires on June thirtieth, which they all do on June thirtieth,

522
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<v Speaker 2>then you got two much you got July in August,

523
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<v Speaker 2>your union leader is gonna sit with the school committee,

524
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<v Speaker 2>and at some point when you're reaching in pass incomes

525
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<v Speaker 2>the arbitrator, incomes the mediator. He or she listens to

526
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<v Speaker 2>both sides, They make a decision, contract is signed, sealed,

527
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<v Speaker 2>and delivered by you know, no later than September. First

528
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<v Speaker 2>school resumes. There's no strike. It's as simple as that.

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<v Speaker 2>Find me one politician who's going to advocate for that.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a bunch of politicians who do not have

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<v Speaker 2>the courage to take on the teachers union.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah, Well, I agree with you, Dan, someone's going

533
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<v Speaker 4>to have to going to have to do it or else,

534
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<v Speaker 4>like you said, it's going to get out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it, Steve, great, great call, quickly to the point.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, my friend, appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn about Let me go back to Mike here and

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<v Speaker 2>see if Mike's ready. Mike, I hope you're ready this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Go right ahead, Mike, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here.

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<v Speaker 9>No, I agree with well. I was afraid this is

543
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<v Speaker 9>gonna happen because then Andover and Newton stroke strike then

544
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<v Speaker 9>set a precedent. And now like when I saw that

545
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<v Speaker 9>Marblehead got on board along with Beverly, and what are

546
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<v Speaker 9>their power numbers? Now that like, isn't it a coinstance

547
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<v Speaker 9>that they all got together and strike?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't think it's a coincidence. If you look

549
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<v Speaker 2>at a map and you see where Beverly, Gloucester and

550
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<v Speaker 2>Marblehead are located.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, what do you mean you don't think it's a coincidence.

552
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's They're in the same neck of

553
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<v Speaker 2>the woods, are up in the north northeast corner of Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure that the energy is feeding off one

555
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<v Speaker 2>or the other. That's all, you know.

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<v Speaker 9>That's all the saying, yes, I agree, Now do Andover

557
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<v Speaker 9>Newton set a president and this is why they think

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<v Speaker 9>they can strike.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I believe that, Yes I do.

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<v Speaker 9>I know, I agree, and I agree with you A

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<v Speaker 9>year and to look at the try to get them

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<v Speaker 9>to the table a year prior to the contract inspiring. However,

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<v Speaker 9>why didn't that work in something around those lives work

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<v Speaker 9>in Newton when they said they were bargaining for sixteen months.

565
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's one thing to say you're going to bargain

566
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<v Speaker 2>for sixteen months. It's something else if you say, look

567
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<v Speaker 2>the year before the summer, before the contract expires, you

568
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<v Speaker 2>have to have some good faith negotiations. You have to

569
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<v Speaker 2>have negotiations. If you don't reach an agreement, the negotiations

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<v Speaker 2>stop during the school year. You can't strike during the

571
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<v Speaker 2>school year. And then when the contract expires that next

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<v Speaker 2>year thirtieth, you got to meet and you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>meet in the presence of a negotiator, of a mediator,

574
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<v Speaker 2>of an arbiter, whatever you want to call it, and

575
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<v Speaker 2>that person will have an agreement like a referee or

576
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<v Speaker 2>an umpire to say, Okay, they weren't able to come

577
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<v Speaker 2>to an agreement, these are the issues outstanding. I'm gonna

578
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<v Speaker 2>rule this way on this and this way on this,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's that's end. That's final, that's the contract.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and one last place, pres Kristy And you know

581
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<v Speaker 9>he ran for uh was it president?

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<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, I used the former governor of New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 2>Chris Christy.

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<v Speaker 9>Yep, go ahead, Yeah, he's teaches unions about eight years

585
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<v Speaker 9>ago the exact you know, because the power of these

586
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.720
<v Speaker 9>unions and he took them on and know like he's

587
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<v Speaker 9>just saying no, no, Massachusetts has a political role to

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<v Speaker 9>take them on.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it, You got it, Mike. Thank you very much,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your call. Keep calling the show. Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be right back with Michael and Daniel uh and

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna wrap this up by eleven. But if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to jump on, I can maybe Fitch in six.

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<v Speaker 1>Now be live from the Window World night Sight Studios.

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<v Speaker 1>I'BZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, at the beginning of next hour, right

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<v Speaker 2>after the eleven o'clock news, we're going to announce the

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<v Speaker 2>winner of our electoral vote contest. You might remember that

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, excuse me, not Friday night, Monday night, November fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a week ago. Tonight, in the eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock hour, we asked people to tell us who was

603
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<v Speaker 2>going to win the election tomorrow, meaning last Tuesday, and

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<v Speaker 2>we asked them to tell us the winner and also

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<v Speaker 2>the electoral count. And we have a winner. I will

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<v Speaker 2>explain who that winner is right after eleven o'clock news.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, back to our phone call, it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Daniel in the great state of West Virginia. Hey, Daniel, welcome,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 10>Good evening, Dan, I just wanted to comment on tonight's topic. Sure,

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<v Speaker 10>you know you're talking about Okay, these teachers in Massachusetts

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<v Speaker 10>are making ninety one hundred thousand dollars or more in

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<v Speaker 10>some cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely, that is pretty close to the average salary

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<v Speaker 2>here in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 10>Yes, do you know what the average teacher pay is

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<v Speaker 10>in West Virginia?

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<v Speaker 2>Thirty five forty sixty fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 4>Dollars, mid thirties.

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<v Speaker 10>Mid thirties is the mid thirties is the average starting

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<v Speaker 10>salary With some of the teachers that have, you know,

622
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<v Speaker 10>a few years of seniority, they might get into the

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<v Speaker 10>fifties if you're lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I understand, of course, the standard of living

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<v Speaker 2>in West Virginia at the cost of living is a

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<v Speaker 2>little less than Massachusetts. But where a state that has

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<v Speaker 2>smiled upon teachers' unions, and teachers' unions have pushed as

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<v Speaker 2>hard as they can, which is their job, but the

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<v Speaker 2>state has not pushed back against and said, hey, look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the union comes in with a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money behind them. They're going into some of these small

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<v Speaker 2>towns here in Massachusetts and they're rolling, you know. And

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<v Speaker 2>finally there are now some school committees that are sitting

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<v Speaker 2>that's standing up against them, and we need the politicians

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<v Speaker 2>to back up. Can can teachers strike? Are they allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to strike in in West Virginia or no?

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<v Speaker 10>They have struck in the in the past, there have

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<v Speaker 10>been teacher strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>And are they allowed to do that or are they

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<v Speaker 2>held in contempt of court for doing that?

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<v Speaker 10>They are not held in contempt.

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<v Speaker 2>Even with the ability to strike, they haven't gotten they

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<v Speaker 2>haven't They're not doing as well as their brothers and

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<v Speaker 2>sisters at Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 10>Wow, right, you know West Virginia X fifty. I think,

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<v Speaker 10>well they you know, you don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Want to rank fifty if that's for sure, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think they deserve more than that in West Virginia. And

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<v Speaker 2>if I was a talk show host in West Virginia,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be advocating. I think they balance the scales are

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<v Speaker 2>too far in favor of the union's here. Look, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a union member, Okay, I believe in unions, but you

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<v Speaker 2>got to understand when I'm when my union we're going

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<v Speaker 2>up against the ownership of iHeartMedia or when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in a union at WBZ TV, we were going up

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<v Speaker 2>against CBS. Uh. Those are big corporate companies. They're going

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<v Speaker 2>up against the parents of the kids they're teaching here

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts, and the it's it's it's unfair. So Daniel,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nice to find out by perspective what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you called before and no, it's.

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<v Speaker 10>Been a it's been a while since I've listened to

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<v Speaker 10>your show off and on in the past, but it

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<v Speaker 10>has been a while, but I have called.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on back more often.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, Well, thank you sir.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it very much. Thanks Daniel.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, all right, great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, A last college just dropped off here. So if

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<v Speaker 2>if someone wants to express an opinion, pretty quickly dialing

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<v Speaker 2>right now six one seven, two five four ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>If that person lost contact, you were up next six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven, two five four ten thirty. We'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>get you in here real quickly. We have talked now

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<v Speaker 2>for two hours about these teacher strikes in Massachusetts. There

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<v Speaker 2>are three going on in Massachusetts and again in the

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<v Speaker 2>communities of Beverly, Gloucester and Marblehead. They are three communities

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<v Speaker 2>that are fairly close. They're up in the northeast corner

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<v Speaker 2>of the state. Uh, and we would Uh, let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>get me one real quickly here, Robin. I'll try to

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<v Speaker 2>get to both of these folks, and let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to Mike and Beverly. Okay, and Mike and Beverly welcome

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<v Speaker 2>you and next on nightside, first call from Beverly tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, Mike, get you right in. Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm Mike, and Beverly can hear me, but I can

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<v Speaker 8>hear you.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 8>No mind, I wanted to get in before the break

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<v Speaker 8>over the game and get me.

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<v Speaker 2>On, and I got you on. You're on the air,

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<v Speaker 2>go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh Dan, oh that was first.

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, go ahead, No, I'll listening quickly. I support the teachers.

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<v Speaker 8>I live in Beverly and m ckanhille had not run

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<v Speaker 8>the city correctly, and that's why the money had not

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<v Speaker 8>funded for them. They had a chance to re elect

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<v Speaker 8>a new administration with Toah November and then the city

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<v Speaker 8>not do that. You know, Yeah, the city belly is

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<v Speaker 8>just not one correctly.

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<v Speaker 7>He spent money, believe so.

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<v Speaker 11>You're supporting the teacher, Okay, all right, I got you,

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you much, Karen, and Hopkins and Karen are going

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<v Speaker 11>to give you about thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>I got you in here, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I do not support the teacher I feel that

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<v Speaker 6>the teachers strike is not correct.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not right.

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<v Speaker 6>And uh, if they don't like the job, just quit

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<v Speaker 6>and find another job. And I think that I will.

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<v Speaker 6>Why wouldn't they ask to get the parents in wolf

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<v Speaker 6>and and just show everybody what the pays are, what

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<v Speaker 6>the benefits are, and then get the parents and the

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<v Speaker 6>two vols.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's the that's not the way. What happens is

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<v Speaker 2>that they negotiate with the school committee. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that the teachers' unions it's illegal for teachers union to strike.

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<v Speaker 2>And if if you're not going to enforce the law

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<v Speaker 2>against teachers unions, why have a wall like that? You

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<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying?

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<v Speaker 6>I mean they Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm with you, Karen, Karen. I wish you had called earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm right up against the eleven o'clock news. You

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<v Speaker 2>call anytime. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I tried. I drive and I find and then I

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<v Speaker 6>listened to it's very interesting. But I will call again.

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<v Speaker 6>Am out of time. Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this your first time calling.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, yes, we'll give.

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<v Speaker 2>You a quick round of applause here from our digital

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<v Speaker 2>studio audience. Well, we'll look forward to your next call. Thanks, Karen,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, all right, okay, when we get back.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to announce the winner of our electoral college,

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<v Speaker 2>who will contest from a week ago. We will we

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<v Speaker 2>will will disclose that person to you if you actually

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<v Speaker 2>took a guest, you want to be listening carefully. And

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<v Speaker 2>then we're going to talk about the democrats dilemma. What

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<v Speaker 2>did they do now? How does the party pick itself

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<v Speaker 2>up off the mat? Because the Democrats are going to

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<v Speaker 2>find themselves. They've lost the White House, they've lost the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're probably going to lose the House. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to check on those numbers during this news break