Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now
it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.
Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show and the
Paranormal UK Radio Network. My name's Neil Ward and I'm
waiting for Andy to turn up. But he's actually will
be showing up hopefully later on in the show. He's
just kind of tying up the things at the minute.
Speaker 1: So I thought I'll.
Speaker 2: Dive straight in and chat to our guest, which is
Rodrick Millington.
Speaker 1: Hello, good evening, Roderick or right near like were you?
Rod Ruddy is better? Yes, the Rodrick was the name
my parents gave me to punish me before i'd done
anything wrong. Well, thank you for joining us, and how
are you.
Speaker 3: I'm good and good thank you.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm having a more relaxed lifestyle nowadays. I moved
to the Welsh coast about seven months ago. That is
that the north fall south? It's the middle yeah Twan,
which is near Bamouth, right, moved through a little bit
more of a peaceful lifestyle, yeah, and left potholes than
inst for sheerwhed I used to live, which is destroying
the car regularly. Oh wow. So yeah, so a little
bit more peaceful and gives me more time to do
the things I enjoy, right, Okay, such as we'll talking
to deaderal people, yeah, which is definitely going to get into.
Speaker 2: So that's that's the subject of to night's show. And
before we go into that though, so you talk about
the West coast.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah. One of our producers of the Paranormal UK
Radio network Iron, she lives out in Wales and she
says that she constantly sees UFOs around her area. And
I can't remember exactly where she lives, but probably more
south than where you are.
Speaker 2: I think she lives at the kind of virtually at
the very end of the M four corridors Swansea Way
or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do you see anything strange on the coast
of where you are? I haven't. I've only seen Dolphines dolphin.
He's a start, isn't it. But I have only been
here seven or eight months, so okay, but no I haven't.
But the disguise that are very clear. I can I
can believe that people do do see things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've heard something about the Welsh Triangle as well,
which is people for some strange things around that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that is down south, isn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but for that southwest do with rock stacks and
things like that, And yeah, Alan's coming out and that's it.
Speaker 1: I think going towards Sat David's and Saunders foot down
that wall.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, okay, So well we're hopefully think this cost
you might see you at some point there, hopefully weather
permitting and everything. So your background, though is very different,
is you're into the life after death and specifically what
I would understand as as what do they call it?
Kind of recording of voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you used to be EVP, hadn't it? And then
I'm VT and yeah, there are various various names for it. Yeah,
And I came into it by pure accidents, right, I'm
a business journalist by trade, yeh. And it was about
twenty years ago, and my father had died a couple
of years before. And my mother, who's always been into
the paranormal and psychic happenings. Her mother was a bit
of a witch in a nice way. She'd got certain
she said, will you come with me to see a
certain psychic medium in Wolverhampton. So I said, yeah, I'll
go and I had a reading, and as I was
playing it back at Hope later, I had a message
come through, very very clearly, and it said, thank God
I walk without them pills. Well, my father before he died,
he'd got terrible arthritis, couldn't walk properly, couldn't open a book. Really,
these hands were in a terrible state. So I thought, well,
and he did take a Corney copia of pills first
thing in the morning, just just a function. So I
thought that's interesting. I played it back off a dozen
times to make sure I was hearing correctly, and it
was very clearly. It was like talking to somebody on
the phone. So I thought, can I do this without
a medium? Can I just go on and ask a question?
So I did, and I asked some pretty daft questions
and then I said, have you seen anybody you know?
Like your parents? So I had done that, and he
came back very clearly and said Eric's up here with me,
his brother m hm, a couple of other things, and
then he finished off by saying, my hands work. Hear
me Rick will Rick shortening the Roderick. When I was little,
they killed me right right, And that's what started it.
It was it found me. I didn't go look him.
Speaker 2: That's very interesting. So did you play the initial record
that you found back to your mum for any kind
of verification from her?
Speaker 1: I did. I did, and she was thrilled. Wow. I
applied it to a number of yards. But I played
it to my brother, who was an arch skeptic Will
he calls himself an atheist, and I played it and
he said what I said to him? Are you still
an atheist? Now? He said, yes, I am, but I've
got a very bad feeling about it. So he was.
He was quite you know, he could hear them. Anybody
can hear these things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no denying that there's something there. Even No,
he couldn't explain it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean he's still a clearer than others.
But these first three were incredibly clear. Was this just
on an ordinary tape recorder or something? Was that he
was at the time, yet it was actually the medium
we went to see. You recorded it on accepta. Yeah,
And I only got a little tiny cassette player at home, madam,
don't big player editor, And I just played it back
on that and just listened through, and they just jumped
out sad me.
Speaker 2: So did you go back to the medium or let
him know that that.
Speaker 1: You'd picked up these voices on the tape? I did.
I did, and we had we met in a hotel actually,
and we had a chatting. He had to listen to them,
and being a medium, he wasn't that surprised that they
get through.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 1: He was. He was impressed by the clarity of these esses.
And at one stage you wanted to sort of go
into business with me, right, talk about it. But then
the third person that was going to be in it
had some family problems and all kind of slowly fell apart, right,
But he was impressed enough to want to get involved, right.
Speaker 2: So this started the book rolling yourself though, to try
and and dig deeper.
Speaker 1: It did, it did, and it brought me into contact
with the monk. I don't know whether you've noticed that
on if you've seen the website, I was looking and
reading something about a monk. Was very intrigued to find
out more. The monk is sort of the the DJ
if you like. He seems to control all this, but
he's also a complete pain in the asset times. Yeah,
started back in nineteen eighty three, way before I picked
the voices up. I was staying at a friend's house
so overnight and a friend of mine she'd got a
young sister who was very attractive, and I quite fancied her,
and we were getting on very well, and at the
end of the night we were just sort of arranging
to meet for drinks, and then she sort of looked
at me funny and said, you know, there's a monk
standing next to you. And I said, no, this is
the first time i've heard of this month. No, anyway,
long story is short. The next day she says, I
can't go for a drink. The monk doesn't want me to.
God this it gets worse. Eleven years later, in nineteen
ninety four, another lady. I thought this is the one,
and we dated for a while and then she came
over to my home. We spent our first night together.
Up in the morning, she's in the kitchen says, you've
got no coffee. Wait there, I said, I'll go down
the shops. So I go down. Ten minutes later, coming back,
she's standing at the front door with a bag, and
I said, what's the matter. She says, there's a monk
on the stairs. She said, looking at me. He doesn't
want me here, and that was the end of that relationship.
Bloody hell. Yeah, no, I know. So he is a paint.
Seven people have seen him. I haven't, which I think
is a bit of a cheat because he's the one
that's affected my life. I've never seen him, right, But
he turned up again in twenty fourteen. I'd arranged the
little group around my house to sort of look at
the voices. Yeah, there were just four of us. I'd
never met any of these people before. I've got a
little add in the local press or I think it was.
And this lady turned up, Pauline, who was a psychic medium.
I didn't know if she was when she turned up,
walked through the door, said hello. Second thing she said
was you know there's a monk with you. I said, well, yes,
she says, well, he hasn't got a hood up, but
he looks like a monk to me, and he's ancient.
And so this monk has been here well seemingly all
my life. I know. He took me back to Sicily,
to where I was supposed to be at a past life.
And the one of a very clear messages I got
was remember you're a monk and I can tell you
my life hasn't been that monk like, but that was
coming through. And I've had a lot of Christian Sea
themed things happened in my life. The strangest was when
I was twenty one twenty two and I had this
real urge to become a priest. The fact that I
wasn't a Christian didn't seem to bother me at the time.
It was just this urge, and of course I couldn't
do it because I wasn't a Christian, but I had
this urge to become a priest, and then the voices
sort of followed this up. I went out to India
in two thousand and eight, and of course when you're
in India, you expect your whole spiritual crip, don't you.
I'd sort of been reading about India for years and
everything out there, and I thought it's gonna be great.
I felt nothing at all. Nothing. I loved the place
and loved India, and I loved visiting the temples and whatever,
but I didn't feel anything. So he come back and
I'm talking and I'm recording talking to somebody about this,
and I said, I just didn't get anything. And this
message came back and said, India, the problem is you're Christian.
And I'm thinking, well, now I'm not. But then I
realized started to realize they're talking about a previous time, right,
a previous existence. So by this time most of my
friends wanted to be locked up because it's it's it's strange,
isn't it. When these things happen, you can't do anything
about them, and you can't really explain them well to
people who don't want to listen.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So there were very few open minded people who
I could talk to. But but I carried on doing
the voices with the few people I could, and I
asked you this this monk was and I got the
message wholly he's author and minister so okay, yeah, minister monk,
he's a writer. I'm a writer, so so that would
that would fit in. And as I went on, I
just got more and more of these messages. So just Rod,
you have served the fishermen. So but they were all
sort of Christian focused, even to the point. Four years ago,
my my marriage broke up in a very strange way.
It was quite upsetting, and instead of this guy coming
through and saying you've got a problem there. He comes
through and repeats the word gets so many four times,
and you think, can't you just stop being biblical for
once and just tell me? Yeah, but he has got
this very sort of old fashioned way of communicating. Uh
huh uh huh uh Is.
Speaker 2: He still done with the Are you still now like
using taor recorders? Who are using digital audio recording?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I used the laptop mostly, right, okay, And I
picked voices up out of silence on the back of
the human voice, over the top of the human voice.
They seem to just be able to manipulate. And and my, my,
the monk calls it blending. Right. One of the most
interesting aspects of that was I was thinking about my
wife and I was a little bit worried about her.
And I was going into a cafe and sometimes I
turned my phone onto record when I go in because
all the background noise, I can then look and see
if anything to that. So welcome to the cancer. And
I asked for coffee and whatever, and I'm just talking
to this legard. And when I played that later, she
says to me, yes, Rod, calls me my name, Yes Rod.
I think she is in pain, right, So she didn't
earn me from Adam and she's called me by my
name right, so in my mind it wasn't really heard
it with somebody else using her bocal records, yeah, and
blending with her. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Just going back to when you said that you had
a big strangers turn up at your door through the
add in the paper. Yeah, a lady called Pauline and
you're from Staffordshire originally, yes, can you remember what her
surname was?
Speaker 1: Out of interest? Oh was it Dwire? No? It wasn't.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: I used to know a.
Speaker 2: Lady called Pauline Dwire from Staffordshire and she used on
a little mystical new age shop and I did a
talk for her group many years ago. So I'm thinking, oh,
she might have been the sort of lady to senior
advert and decided to come along you know, yeah.
Speaker 1: That sort of thing. But no, obviously wasn't. She did
work in that type of shop at once. Actually she
was a sort of volunteer blind blawder. No, this lady
had reddish hair, if right, But yeah, anyway, sorry to interrupt, No,
that's okay. Is it all making sense that? Yes? It is,
because I've obviously from my background and Andy's background as
well for that. Now, we're both got backgrounds in mediumship,
and in fact, we actually met in a psychic workshop and
we were one of the very guys that go to
these things.
Speaker 2: For some bers are reason I find it interesting. I mean,
since all these ghost hunting proms have come on TV,
you tend to see lots of guys going out to
castles or prisons ghost hunting with ladies and cameras and
gear and whatnot. But when you go to spiritualist church,
you tend to see a lot more ladies than men.
Speaker 1: There.
Speaker 2: You know, there's probably five women for every man or something,
you know, and sometimes the man's reluctantly gone along Lea
drives or something. But anyway, me and Andy met at
this psychic workshop and we were one of the few people.
So we teamed up on the thing and did kind
of readings on each other and stuff like that. And
the part of my background is researching the whole thing.
So I've read up lots of stuff and looked lots
of interviews, and so I've got a kind of although
I'm not experienced directly, I've got a general, kind of
broad understanding of the nature of it on your website,
and you've got about the two monks from Italy that
were pisical, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they
were sort of thinking, oh again calling them by the
pet name, which is what you said your dad called you.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're right, that's right. Yeah. He's a strong evidence,
isn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of suspicion or skeptics to saying, I know,
you're picking up stray radio signals or something like that,
you know, but when they start calling your pet name
and when you were a child, that's very hard to
argue against, I think. And these two monks were a
little bit concerned that they were picking up voices.
Speaker 1: And so they was it. They wrote a letter to
the Pope at the time they did, and the Pope
said it was fine, that it was scientific, they weren't
doing anything wrong, and even said to them this could
help with belief in the future. Right, So the Pope
was very under and the Vaticanto this deal to this
day still do an awful lot of research into this
kind of thing. Wow.
Speaker 2: I also understand they've forgot their own Vatican astronomer or
something as well, So they're kind of interestingly that there
had been this sort of science, the ones that sort
of six hundred years ago would would would you know,
denounced people like Galileo or Pindicus for saying that the
Earth is not the center of the universe or something,
you know, whatever they said, or the world is not
round or blah blah blah blah. Yeah, they've kind of
come full circle on that. So did you have any
fear of this when these voices were coming through or
was you quite kind of relaxed about the whole thing.
Speaker 1: I was very relaxed about it. It felt fine. I
didn't feel threatened at all. I'd got a background, my
mother was very interested in this kind of subject. I'd
had things happen before. Yeah, so it wasn't new to me.
I'd had well when it was seventeen my first, I guess,
really strange experience was in those days, all the bands
used to play in cinemas and not arenas like they
do today, and we used to cure around the cinema
a couple of months before to get tickets. Well, myself
and a few friends were queuing around Birmingham Odient to
get tickets for Rod Stuart, the Faces and further up
the street. There was a wimpie bar that was open
all night, so we took turns to the go up.
Three of us went up at about two o'clock in
the morning and we sat down ordered and then this
man came in, big guy, tall, what looked like a
several road suit. Probably wouldn't know what a several roast
suit was in those days, but you could tell it
was expensive carrying a ghetto blaster two o'clock in the morning.
So he came up to us and said, can I
join you? So we looked at all the empty tables
and said yes too, us sit down. And the first
thing you said to us was where is the crypt?
Where are the people?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: This brought out the worst in my two friends started
to Yeah, they were rude. They were very very rude.
And I was sitting opposite him, and this has gone
on for a while, and I tried to change the
subject and said where are you from? He said, oh,
I'm just a traveler. Okay, where Canterbury Cathedral? And I
recorded the quiet are reds, the botto ghettup. Last that
comes on, music comes out, waitress comes out over until
I think to turn it off, and then I tried
asking other questions and he was just vague about everything.
The waitress comes over and says, because in those days
you had sort of table service in past or of joints,
and said what what would you like? And he said
nothing for me, please, which made it even weirder. And
then I looked down because I'm opposite, and I noticed
his wrists and he's got stigmator marks on his wrists
where they would we should be. I know they're mostly
showing on the hands, aren't they, But crucifix was to
the wrists, so I'm looking at the next to it.
He's got this It looked like a roller because I
say it was a very expensive watch. And then he
turned his other hand there about and he'd got them
on both sides. So I'm thinking this is rue because
I knew by then what Stig Martin was. Yeah, as
a kid, I sort of read up in all sorts
of things. But then the strange thing was he kept
asking where the crip to us, which brought more insults.
And then we went to go and I stood up
and I said see you then, like I did with
everybody in those days, and he looked at me with
these and this ill mess sounds like, especially Hollywood effects
with these piercing blue eyes, and said, yes you will,
and he turned walked out. We followed him out ten
seconds later, and anybody that knows New Street in Birmingham
would know it's a long, straight street, very hard to disappear.
At two o'clock in the morning, he'd gone. He disappeared,
and I don't know who he was. I don't know
what that was about, but it kind of also ties
in with the monk, the religious theme, meeting somebody with
stick martyr, So that kind of experience I guess that's
why it wasn't unduly unnerved, but by the voices coming out,
because I had experiences like that.
Speaker 2: Right, it was like a grounding for what was to
come later on. It was it was Yeah, I remember
reading about Stickmak. I'm sure you perhaps read it, and readers, readers,
digest magazines and things like that. I seem to recall
articles like that of interest. I think that's where I
earned that first found out articles about people dying and
going out their bodies on operation Yeah, thank you readers
died us So no, you never found the mystery stigma
to man after that. But no, he said he was
going to see you again. So yes, that he never
showed up maybe.
Speaker 1: Or not so far, not so far wow, But yeah,
he just said, yes you will, and it was kind
of the yes you will that sends a bit of
a shiverard and your spine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Did you get a sense that he was
more kind of interested in you than your friends?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think because I wasn't insulted. I felt quite embarrassed
by Actually, yeah, I was a little bit hard coming
in and not wanting any food, asking where the crypt was.
But I didn't feel it warranted what they were doing.
I mean that they were lovely guys, but you know
they were young. Yes, that's the excuse i'd give. So,
and I was sitting opposite, and I suppose I did
get that little bit more of a connection. Always the
one trying to ask the questions like where are you staying? Yeah, no, nowhere,
I'm passing through what two o'clock in the morning in
the middle of Birmingham, you and you don't want feeding?
Speaker 2: Now, for the American listeners are wondering what we're talking about.
Wimpy bars that I haven't seen him in a long time.
I don't know why I haven't existed, but they were
the British version of McDonald's.
Speaker 1: Eh, I like, that's it. Yeah, And I.
Speaker 2: Remember a friend of my brothers who came over to
visit him from the States couldn't believe it when he
saw a wimpy behind He says, who knows going to
call their barrel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what they were called. But I think
they must have gone out of business. But yeah, they
did shakes the whole thing like that.
Speaker 2: And obviously obviously ghosts in this particular case, or paranormal people.
Speaker 1: Whatever, yes, yeah, whatever, he was right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So once you transpired and you found out that your
dad appeared to be communicating through the recording, did you
you carry on communicating that? Was there a continual dialogue
or did that just tape her off?
Speaker 1: That kind of tapered off, although I've heard for a
minium a few times since, right, But it moved on
to other things. Yeah, And it moved on to with Pauline.
For instance, she came literally with notes written on the
back of an envelope and said, this all came to
be the last night, it's for you, this is from
your monk. Wow, okay, And they were all what turned
out to be all places and yeah, all destinations on
the island of Sicily, right right. And the upshot is
that I was supposed to have had a life there
and I got killed in the nineteen sixty sixty nine
eruption of Vans, right right.
Speaker 3: So I thought, I've.
Speaker 1: Got to do a little bit more research into this.
So my wife and my step daughter we sat down
and were we were talking about it, could this possibly
be true? Because it's very easy to go up ludicrous
garden paths with this kind of thing off, and you
can you can persuade yourself with things. So I I mean,
I remember she can't go tribute and how to saying,
if your mother says she loves you, check it out.
And I've always I've always been a little bit like that,
so I had to check you out. But one of
the first voices I discovered when we were talking was
the air from the northern slopes got in. Now, most
people I'd discovered afterwards who died on it, now over
a few days, they asphyxiated. It was the gases. It
was wasn't the five bombers or it was the gases.
So that made kind of sense, and it made even
more sense because I suffered from sleep am there mm hmm.
My throat is thinner the most peoples and had the
first attat when I was thirteen. And I don't know
whether you you know Ian Stevenson's work, the guy from
Virginia University who did years and years with reincarnation. I
might have seen him on a panel of people talking
about my life after debt. If it's I think that's
the guy who followed on from him, Bruce gra Yeah,
I've heard of Bruce Grayson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he took
over in Stevenson's post at the university, but he wrote here.
Stevenson wrote a book called Where Biology and Reincarnation Intersect
and there are loads of pictures and facts and figures,
and he was fanatical to get all the details. And
I read that and thought a volcano maybe. And then
I picked up another couple, my daughter and my stepdaughter.
Her name was Mandy, and I picked up one that
said that was horrendous that Mandy's body found in the cabin.
This is what we're talking about, sicily, And I researched
that and I discovered that it's quite common even now
when ETNA blows, which is does frequently to this day.
People hiding the caverns, which are made out of previous
lava flows, they actually go and hide in the cabins
or caves. So that made a little bit of sense.
And then I had one that said Mandy has died
with you. I see her shadow. So and this is
all talking about the same thing. And then we decided
ultima though one because it was so interested in two
because we wanted a holiday that we would go to
Sicily and have a look at the places that have
been pointed out by Paulin had written down good idea.
So we said to Mandy do you want to come?
And she was, oh no. She had apparently had nightmares
about volcanoes since she was about three, terrified of them.
She says, I'm not going to an island where the
most active volcano in Europe. No, so she refused to go,
but we went out, and before we went there was
a sort of this information to it. I was dreaming
about places and I was doing drawings about just the
words that Pauling had written down, and when we got
out there and got two of them, bang on. I'm
not a great artist, but you could tell it was
the one I dreamt I was battlements with a tree
at the end of the and it looked medieval. When
I got there, these battlements were actually there at the
front of the monastery in a place called Inclosa that
we've been led to. They were battlements as such, they
were only about four ste off the ground, and they
used to be a place where they put wells for
the monents. But it was identical to what I'd drawn.
So it was the entrance leading down and we went
to Nicolosi, which is very near Catania, very near Atna.
You can see Itna in the background. Before that, we
spent three days down on the southeastern coast at a
place where I was supposed to have been born. I start,
I'll go recognize this, loved it, but didn't really recognize
it anything. And we had walked into a local village
which was supposed to be at the time the center
of where I would have been born. And before we'd gone,
like I said, PAULI had written down all these words Pakeno,
which is a place down there, and she's also written
down Borg, and it was the one I couldn't figure
out Borg. I thought star Trek. Now there was a
there was a writer, but the name of borg that
wrote about religious things can't be here completely flum its me.
So we're leaving the village and my wife stops and
puts a foot on the water to task you lass.
And she looks up and she says, you're seeing that sign.
I said what sign? Looked up and it had gasp no,
my Italian Startgreat. It was Borgo de Pesky Antique, which
was the old fishing village, so borg Borgo. Yeah, and
all of a sudden that sort of started to make sense.
There's also the Borges as well, which was the words
of the Borges. Yet yeah, it nothing to do with them. Yeah,
but yeah, that's there, And I mean it does sound
very speedish.
Speaker 2: But when when you put it in the Italian sense,
the Borges and then the Borgia, and they must be
an Italian word or phrasing for that, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but it was, you know, it
was it was Italian for the village. I've been led
to this place and there it was Borger. There was
a letter to and on Paul Into, but I can
forgive her for that because the details you sent through
was amazing. Wow wow.
Speaker 2: So it's just amazing really also the weird kind of
accident that your white's shoe lace would have to come
undone then do it up on the wall to suddenly
look up, because if it hadn't, she would have wornd
past that sign and when I would not know it,
you know.
Speaker 1: No, I tell you what's come into my mind increasingly
over the years, say I do at determination? Do we
really have a choice of what goes on? Is it scripted?
And one of the big ones when I when I
separated from my wife in twenty twenty, we met afterwards,
it was fine, and I did a recording in the
cafe talking to her. And the thing with these voices,
you can actually what I think is you can be
called the soul of the person you're talking to, or
they're subconscious. What word you're happy with? And we're talking,
she says, this is her sort of soul talking, not
you know, I can't remember, will I be seeing you
a lot? And I came back and I thought, what
do you mean you can't remember?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And I've played it back and it was so clear,
and that to me strikes as scripted. That's interesting, isn't it. Yeah,
it's so so. When she's saying, is she not aware
that she's saying absolutely not no, no with her on
that one, it came out I reversed her voice right,
and it came out I can't remember, will I be
seeing you a lot? And of the other little inklingsards.
I don't know whether it's just the big things that
are scripted, yeah, or whether things can change. I recall
about thirty five years ago having a dream where I
was walking around an industrial area that I used to know.
My father used to have a business there, and I
will into an empty workshop on a corner. There was
nobody in there, wor through a few rooms, and then
a voice said, in this dream, this is Eddie's place,
but it's not ready yet. Now I met Eddie five
years later, and we've now had a business arrangement for
twenty six years, twenty seven years, and it's been the
most important business connection of my life. And again you think, okay,
I mean, he wasn't a factory, he was a publisher.
But even so, you know, and so I do wonder
whether the big things at least are scripted. Because you
to school, they say it to school, don't they, So
if we have lessons, maybe they're like school lessons they're
written out and you have to I don't know, well.
Speaker 2: Schools have timetables, don't they, And they just say, yeah,
lessons of certain things you've got to learn throughout the day, maths, English,
blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But what comes to mind as you're talking about all
that is, I get the image of tiny, tiny culks
are like like you would get a watch, for instance,
and you get the tiniest of tinest of cogs turning
the bigger wheels that are then turning the bigger wheels. Yeah, yes,
and so the smallest action can make the biggest.
Speaker 1: Difference absolutely, yeah. Yeah, So yeah, sometimes we don't realize
that though. I think, you know, just is shoe lace
changes the whole force of thinking in some sense. Yeah,
It's like people who have near death experiences and many
of them say, it's not it's not the good or
the bad things you do, and the good things are
not what you think, they are the little things that
you don't think about. Therefore the ego isn't involved, and
that shows you who you really are. And I find
that that's. Yeah. You know, you can think, oh, there's
somebody you know who's homeless, that I'll go and give
him a fiber or something, but he thinking about it.
If you do something, that's the important stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've read similar things from people that have passed over.
I think it might have been through the Leslie Flint
website and the book Life After Death that was published
in conjunction with these recordings, and one of the people
at games who I can't remember it was, one of
the people said something pretty much along the same line,
staying that you go through a kind of a self
judgment which is both horrifying and absolutely wonderful at the
same time. Horrifying because you see how you've been to people,
but also wonderful and since you think, oh my god,
I didn't realize I was so spiritual in that particular moment.
Speaker 1: And it's just like somehow, unconsciously you might open the
door for someone or pick up something they've dropped on
the floor without even thinking that. There you go. And
that makes a whole big difference in spiritual bank if
I like it does it does, and you get responses
from spirit when you do things like that. Yeah, I've
noticed that. I had an experience back in twenty seventeen
when there was my other step daughter who was in
a bit of a mess, and she was bringing everybody
else down with her. We're at the end of our tether,
and I was home on my own and I was
thinking about everything that had happened. I thought, right, Monk,
I thought, if I'm supposed to be a Christian, I'm
going to pray here. I mean, I'm going to pray
to Jesus. I'm going straight to the top. I'm not
messing with the archae angels. I'm going straight. I'm going
straight up there. So it wasn't really a prayer. I
supposed kind of walking brough. I was walking round the
night to twenty minutes, pouring all this out and saying,
if you're there, this is what's happened. So I got
to the end, nothing happened, you know, I didn't expect
it to went to bed feeling, you know, quite disheartened
about the whole situation. Then woke up at two o'clock
in the morning and an absolute state of bliss. I
can't explain it any more than that. It was just
an incredible feeling. And then I fell back for sleep,
which is which is a bit of a skill for
somebody with sleep out near insomnia. I usually take ages
to get a sleeped. I'd gone back to sleep in
five minutes, and then I woke up again and just
turned five o'clock, still in a complete state of utter bliss,
and this time I needed the bathroom. So I got
up and I was in the bathroom and I think,
if there's a Guinness Book of Records for having a
mistill experience by taking a peep, I'm in the running.
I really do, because I'm in an absolute statables serving
and pea. And then I went back to bed and
again quickly fell asleep, woke up at seven o'clock to
start the day. Had gone. But it's like this concern
about somebody, and this is it wasn't the prayer of Downey.
It was the concern about somebody, and the universe responds.
I do believe that, and I think it happens to everybody,
but most people don't notice. So did anything kind of
different switch in those weeks after that? No, no, it
got worse. No whole situation went down ill. But it
was almost like saying somebody saying, Okay, you know, I
know what's going on. I've got you back, I'm here
sort of thing. So it was model support, but it
didn't help the situation. So yeah, it's your prayer about
you know, I need to do something. Yeah that nothing happened,
Nothing happened, right, but the bliss was incredible, and it's
in a strange way it helps you because you know
something is there. Yeah, yeah, were you. Yeah, it's funny
years and years and years ago.
Speaker 2: This would be about nineteen ninety ish ninety one something
like that. I remember just one day and I don't
know what caused it, what brought it on, but I
was walking around in a similar not bliss, I would say,
but a state of where I seemed to be. I
had a sight, a heightened state of awareness that I
seem to love humanity, which I don't know. We go
around feeling no, but I love everyone, and it's like, well,
I'm beaming this love to everybody, and I just don't
understand what's going It's like some sort of hippie switch
had been thrown in and uh, and I couldn't understand it.
Speaker 1: And then the next day went back to anar couldn't
explain it. No, yeah, weird, weird, And you couldn't tie
down to anything that you've done or just random. No, No,
absolutely not. There didn't seem to be anything.
Speaker 2: Now looks like it won't be long, Andy says, so,
and he will be joining us soon. So he's just
messaged me to say he won't be so about May
the next five, five or six minutes, we'll bring him in.
So I wish I keep keep going until then. So, yeah,
there was nothing to explain that blistfulness. I wish I knew.
I just carried on, still carry on the psyche development,
and nothing kind of came through to kind of confer
that or anything. So it's a bit stranger.
Speaker 1: Did anyone kind of confirm it in any other way
for you through the voice recordings that you've picked up?
Not really, No, it was stood on its own right,
and since it was such a wonderful feeling, I'm gonna
be honest, I've tried to repeat it. I thought I'm
going to try this prayer again. That it was a
one off, a little bit right in the windy bar.
I think it was just one of those that because
it was quite a big thing into something you don't
as you yet, that's something you don't forget do it
stays with No? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean you
don't know what makes it happen and what makes it
go away, and why won't it come back? Because it
would be nice to have again, you know, it would
it would? It? Would? I do have back in nineteen
eighty three and January eighty three, I did have a
mystical experience at less than four eight hours right, which
really did kick things off and change my life totally,
because before then I'd gone a little bit materialistic, looking
out could make the big books. And again I was
staying with friends, and one o'clock in the morning, I
was sitting up with the lady of the house who
I used to go to school with, and we started
talking about things that go bumping the night. We didn't
know a lot in those days, and I just made
the suggestion. I said, you know those tingles you get
when you're in a beautiful piece of music, could that
be a link to the great beyond, to the divine?
And as soon as I said it, they weren't tingles.
It was like being in an ocean of electricity right
two years rolling down our faces. We discovered we could
actually reach out and pull the energy through us. It
feel it passed through our bodies. Whatever was with us
was sentient. We see, it responded to certain things, and
I recall that the most for me, the most impressive thing,
because this is going back to what we were saying
about these bliss situations and getting responses. At around four o'clock,
she said, I wish Mike, who was a husband was
here to experience this. He'd gone to bed, and as
soon as she said that, the power of this electricity
as I called it at the time in the room
rose to such a degree it threw her off her feet.
I was sitting in an archer. I was a gay,
but I thought I was going to explode. It was
a mixture of absolute fear and she a beauty. It
was a strange, strange mix, and it had responded perhaps
a little bit too much to the fact that she
was caring about her husband and wanted him to Yeah,
And I think that's the same as I was caring
about my stepdaughter and heard the blissing she was caring
about her husband, and wow, there it is.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: I mean that another reason why the voices didn't surprise
me when they came up, and it didn't disturb me
because I'd had that experience as well. I have had
a very strange, strange life slowly who hasn't gone looking
for it? Yeah, for this mystical electricity. Yet she felt
it exactly the same way as you, or did you
variation No.
Speaker 3: As soon as it came.
Speaker 1: Up, we just looked at each other. He was your shock,
and teas were rolling down our faces, not through emotion
but through the power, yeah, power of the thing. And
then until nine o'clock in the morning it stayed with us.
We didn't see anything apart from a in what I
call a colbalt blue board of light, which appeared at
one end of one wall at the top and shot across,
stopped and disappeared. That was the only thing we saw.
We did have a little black cat in the room
with us who was seemed to be having a great time,
purring like a combine harvester. But it was mostly this energy.
Why again, one of those things that's hard to explain,
But it was a mid People have suggested to me, oh,
it was the Holy Spirit, and do you think, well, uh,
but then you think, well, if it felt like the
Holy Spirit ship failed, I guess, but I'm not really
happy with those kind of labels, So I've coed Uncle
it spiritual electricity. I think that's a safe bet actually,
because I think all these experiences there, you know, from
whichever kind of background you come from, your your dress,
it in your cult belief yeah, I mean, I'm not
on Buddhist or mystic or anything like that. And the
only thing I can definitely sort of say, well, it
might be this, it might be that is I've heard
of the chia energy, which they talk about in Eastern
yeah religions, and like the to do with your meridians
on your body for a machi puncture and that kind
of stuff. And then also when, for instance, you describe
it as electricity, there's something that Robert Monroe described who
was an out of body Traliou when he yeah, he
used to set off the vibrations as he called them,
to induce an out of body experience. And and I've
I've felt similar things when I've kind of channeled stuff
where I'd get a pins of needles tingling going through
my arms and then eventually my arms went nune and
were taken over by something. Now, whether that's the same
thing or a variation of that energy step down or
step stepped up, I don't know, but everyone tries to
couch it in their own frame of reference. They do,
they do. I think it's I think it is all
the same thing. I think what Christians called the Holy Spirit,
what Indians called prana, and like I said, Chinese called chi,
I think Muslims called it baracular. I think it's it's
the same energy. I think there is a universal energy.
M m hm h. And I think it's in everything. Yeah,
what a bit like the Force in Star Wars, isn't it? Yeah?
It is, Yes, it is like the force yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly the standard that people have kind of almost mystical
experiences watching that when they're really into it, don't they.
Speaker 2: I think I think the Force in Star Wars probably
kind of Yeah, it might have given some exposure to
some sort of mysticism to some people thinking, well, is
there such a thing as the force?
Speaker 1: You know? Yes, yeah, yeah, And it's not just for
lifting out rocks or something, you know yeah, yeah, No,
I think I think it is. I think it is
a universal thing. I think it's what creates whatever that is. Yeah,
he said creative force. Did you get an answer or
your friend get an answers through this eight hours sort
of thinking Okay, what is this? And nothing came through
to explain what it was not really, No, we were
a bit naive. We were I was twenty six at
the time, and we didn't we didn't. If it happened now,
i'd ask all the right questions. Yeah, then we were
just sort of basking it and just asking the you know,
occasional things and certain things would happen. So it was
a missed opportunity in a way. But it was just
it just enveloped us. And it's when we spoke about
things like love, it kind of the energy went up
and almost wrapped us in something that's interesting. And we
overdid this a bit then because we kept talking about it,
and I think he got fed up. But we we
did sort of talk about that kind of thing and
found that he responds to love. Interesting. That's it's a
big thing. Cool, Yeah, I said, I'm sure it doesn't
care what religion you are, where you're from, what you believe,
so whether you're an atheist though a priest, it doesn't matter.
Loves the thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I think that's that's probably a very good
good way of putting it. Also, the other thing I
was going to suggest is fact that it started at
whatever time one o'clock in the morning, one o'clock and
went rides.
Speaker 1: Through to about ninety It was night and the sleep. Yeah. Now,
it's just interesting that salness have to be physical. Sunces
tend to have to be done in the darkness because
they say that physical phenomenon is very sensitive to daylight,
and so they would block out the windows with black tape,
black yarn, and no bulbs in the room and stuff,
and the only thing that he could have would be
something like a red bulb or something for the manifestations
maybe to see. And I find it interesting that your
vibrational mysticism love effect was coming through from the sort
of the twilight hours. It was, it was, and I
wonder if that could be something to do with the
fact that the power of the daylight would diminish it
in some way. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, we
had all the lights on the curtain were closed, right,
there were on we were just talking. We never thought
about turning them up. No, no, so the lights were
on all the time. But you're right, it happened when
he should happen in a way traditionally when it should happen. Yeah. Yeah,
in Dibas. It's interesting because there was a guy that
on our radio station some years ago and talked about that.
When he was a young.
Speaker 2: Lad, about eight or nine years old, he lived in
I believe it was an former undertaker's funeral home that
had been converted into a house, and he said he
woke up one night and he saw a coffin with
a lid off and a blue light coming out of it.
I think it was like a psychic experience. It wasn't
physically there.
Speaker 1: But no, But another time, he said, he looked out
and he looked across the garden where his swing was
in the back garden, and he said that he could
see what looked like a funeral procession going across the
back of his garden with a man with a top
pat and he had sideboards and he had a he
was swinging a stick, you know, right, yeah, bringing a
coffin across. But he said as the moonlight came out
from behind the clouds, the image would fade off, and
then as soon as the clouds come up the moonlight
the image came back. I thought that was very interesting.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm trying to pick it apart on a
kind of scientific yes, why is that sort of thing?
You know, but it just reminded me actually talked about
your night mystical experience, you know, And I do wonder
that these things tend to happen at night because something
to do with the dark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're probably right. My father had an
experience out in China. He was an engineer and he
worked out in China in the mid eight Is he
worke up one morning his hotel room turned into two
single beds in this room. Turned to look at the
other bed and there was a Chinese man laid out
in ceremonial costume on the bed right. Wow, you know,
sort of ready for a funeral sort of thing. And
he said he sort of leant up and looked at
it and that and then it was gone faded. But
again that was in the as of darkness. Mm. And
he was that hotel you yeah, he was. He was
in the Beijing Hotel, which is a very modern hotel.
So you'd expect it in somewhere old, wouldn't you. And yeah,
I am old temple war yeah, yeah, yeah, But my
dad could be a bit strange, so well, he had
a number of experiences, was he do you think a
closet sidekicked. You think I think he was a closet psychic. Yeah,
he was very practically he was an engineer, but he
was very open to things. Yeah, that's interesting. And he
was on Earth in the Warrior on a ship and
he heard a message come through from one of his
pals who had been killed on the on the town, right,
So he's had normal little experiences like that, so coming
through and it was yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So so
he did have experiences. What would anybody else heard that?
For him? Only? You think, I believe on that occasion
there were two or three of them that heard it,
really yeah, yeah, on that occasion. Yeah, and what do
you know what the message said? I don't. I don't
now know. I think it was just something like say
the load right, and it was you know, it was
it was very simple. It was nothing deep. Yeah. Yeah.
I find what I find interested about those kind of
experiences is that as a person, presumably in this case
he was only recently killed in the wall. Yeah, actually
he wasn't in the war. It was an accident, okay,
Rather it was quite your younger. He never got he
was on a ship that he never went to war. Ah, okay,
So it was an accident.
Speaker 3: That killed it.
Speaker 1: Ah, right, Okay, so it's killed like a few weeks
or a few days earlier, maybe this young channel, I
think it was a few weeks complements. Okay.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting that they're not long gone to the
spirit world, but somehow they've got this skill or knowledge
to live and cells to an electronic gadget, Yeah, to
then come through it, which you know, for a spirit
that's just kind of trying to climatize themselves to the
spiritual realms. They're suddenly getting the hang of manipulating physical
matter from that realm, which I find interesting.
Speaker 1: I do you think it takes some time? Wouldn't you
to be able to build it? Yeah? But I also
think if reincarnation is a fact, yeah, you'd go back
and when do you sort of blend into those of
the lights as well? When you become whole and you
might already have those skilty that's the case, m Yeah,
or someone on the other side is advising you how
to do it, and looks like Andrew is here, so
let me sit and bring him in. Okay, yeah, are
you there?
Speaker 3: He can hear me?
Speaker 1: Yes, we can. Yeah, this This is Rod, and I've
just been talking to Rod. And Rod does a lot of.
Speaker 2: EVP, I TC recording of spirits and things, so yeah,
we've just been chatting about some of his own experiences,
and we've just been chatting about how some spirits that
when they newly go to the spirit world, somehow have
gained the mastery of taking over our physical gadgets like
tannois in his father's case of a friend that died
during the wartime and he took over a manage to
speak to a tannoy and only been dead like a
couple of weeks, and yet this guy's voice coming over
the ship's tannor, which you pay interesting, So yeah, we're
wondering how on earth does one gain those technical engineering
skills of the spirit world to do it within a
couple of weeks of dying, when you're trying to get
used to the spirit Yes.
Speaker 1: Isn't it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I relive at the moment we are, we are
recording fantastic Hello everyone. I was actually kind of doing
a last minute casting call, so I've been doing a
bit of filming recently and had to get an outfit
ready for something. So yeah, apologies for not being on
the first bit of the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, are you allowed to talk about the filming or
I thought.
Speaker 6: Shely not really, I can only talk about it if
it if it gets released, and when it gets released.
Speaker 3: But it's an interesting, an interesting project.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool past next year we might appear on
our screens or somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 1: Of course, these things snowy take a year to sort
of funnel through the chain of editing and whatnot, don't they.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how were we coping under the first week of communism?
Speaker 2: Nothing much has changed just yet, but things will. But
I should say, for people that are listening, we are
recording this in July, about a week after the general election.
But this show is actually going to go out. Let
me think in August also, so by that time communism
will be well introduced, and it will it will.
Speaker 6: I think the honeymoon period will fast wear off, the
whole kind of I don't think everything's going to change
for the better. That's going to be completely destroyed at
about two three months.
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing will change at all.
Speaker 3: Nothing will do.
Speaker 6: It just so happens that both and Kirs Starmer are
both Davos members, and it just so happens that. I've
seen a video of Kirs Starmer saying if he had
to choose between Westminster and Davoice, his loyalty would be
for Davos, not Westminster. Is not a democratic guy.
Speaker 1: M Well, no, I can tell you that without the
devas information, what was wasn't It wasn't Bavos the guy
and doctor who in a wheelchair? I think he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also I think big tag.
Speaker 6: I think the picture let's go and kind of up
and coming people and they get brainwashed and doctrine eated,
and they have all these little wonderful agendas and they
just go off and do the agenda. And it doesn't
matter who you vote for left all right, Souna or
starl It doesn't matter. Thats always wins in the cast,
that always wins.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting interesting, So Andy, if you had any experiences
getting back to the captured any voices of spirits on
tape recorders.
Speaker 6: Or anything like that, tape recorders? Yes, funny enough, Okay.
So the one thing that that strikes me as one
of the most interesting things that happened.
Speaker 3: So Neil and what have called Rod?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: Okay? Rod?
Speaker 6: I actually do readings myself, So I go to people's
houses and sometimes do kind of like house parties and
kind of arrow readings, birthdays, that kind of thing. There
was one particular time I was in Bedford, and usually
when we do kind of readings, we go, well, I
go up to the kind of upstairs area and they'll
have like a room, a bedroom or something, and people
go up there for their readings and then they come
downstairs and chat in the kitchen and that kind of
that's usually how the house parties work. On this one
particularly occasion, I had a group of ladies and I
was getting some quite funny things through from spirit. I
was trying to kind of tune in and do mediumship,
and they were recording it, so they had This was
quite a few years ago. I can't remember if it
was a mobile fight phone or a cassette recording. Might
have been a cassette.
Speaker 3: Recorder because it was quite a long time ago that
this happened.
Speaker 6: And there they were kind of laughing, and I was
laughing and kind of like the things I was getting
through were quite funny. Anyway, I actually got a phone
call either a day later or a couple of days
later from this lady and she was listening to the reading,
listening to the cassette, and she said, there was laughing.
Speaker 1: In the room.
Speaker 3: That wasn't either of us.
Speaker 1: It was spirit laughter.
Speaker 6: We were laughing. I was laughing, she was laughing having
the reading. But there was a third entity as well
at the same time. Yeah, absolutely, fast.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So the answer is, yes, I haven't.
Speaker 1: I must be the only one that hasn't had any
luck on the audio side, or that I'm very interested
in it.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I've been involved in ghost box stuff, which
is quite interesting as well.
Speaker 1: The thing, isn't it, that's like live live recordings coming through,
isn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting how technology kind of moves on, isn't it. Yeah, Because.
Speaker 6: Now you probably know this already. Was like television actually
started off. It wasn't supposed to be something for like
lots of fun shows television. The concept of television was
actually to communicate with the spirit. Well yeah, yeah, television
and were kind of invented and then it caught on
and they realized they could do shows and movies and
blah blah blah. The original purpose was communication with the
other side. They there's we could then talk about things
like a phantom telephone corps. So some people have had
these odd things where they've picked up the phone and
they you know, they're dead relatives actually spoken on the telephone.
Speaker 1: I've had a telephone experience, have you. Oh God, yeah,
not actually, well, I came on and on the answer phone.
The light was bleeping, picked it up, and it wasn't
somebody talking as such. It was first of all an
American voice saying, this is the answer phone whatever. It
wasn't mine, And then a whole minute of static. And
in the middle of the static, a voice came out
from no orang nowhere and said top of the morning.
But the future is rough. But then another little voice said,
for now, this was five months before my marital separation. Cry.
There's like a warning. But it was weird because nobody
had left a message. It was like somebody else's answer
machine message had been put onto mine. And then it's
the minute sort of static.
Speaker 6: Now, what's kind of like a little spanner in the
works of this kind of thing is that there are
reports that when ets make contact through various kind of
like radio communications, there is a report of static.
Speaker 3: And have you heard of this? Neil like a robot
like metallic like voice. Have you heard this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also going back back to about nineteen seventy seven,
there was that the brilliant voice coming up on one
of the ITV networks. Yeah, we'll go to the TV
channel for about ten minutes during the news or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I got and carry on.
Speaker 6: So I'm wondering if the static interference is some kind
of conduit for both spirit realm and ets to kind
of hijack occasionally and bring across messages in some.
Speaker 2: Baz where they call that white noise, don't they the
staty thing? And my understanding is that maybe it doesn't
happen so much now. But my understanding to do with
this kind of stuff was that you needed a carrier
wave or carrier signal to get these signals through and
either getting.
Speaker 1: White noise I blank channels or between stations hiss or
static or sometimes they say the sound of running water.
What's servers? Was that kind of yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know quite know what that does,
but somehow it increases the chances of you in a
voice through or something.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what.
Speaker 6: I met a girl once, I think I was doing
a reading for her, and it turns out that she
was hearing spirits communicating through her fan, her bedroom fan.
So again it's providing, like I suppose, to the matrix.
You'd call it a construct or a foundation. Yeah, the
whorrying of the fan was like the initial noise, but
then there was a kind of like a voice that
was kind of like projected onto the fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they can manipulate all types of sand,
even a door swimming and you know, like you say
water run it. They seem to be able to manipulate
the sand. And I found that I can actually hold conversations.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So I back and forwards maybe five or six times. Yeah,
and I'll come back with a well, with an answer
that makes sense.
Speaker 3: What did you ask or what did you talk about?
Speaker 1: And I mean this has been over the past twenty
years and just many various things about I mean, one
of one of the funny looking back now, one of
the funniest of men. Going back to my separation. It
was causing a lot of a lot of grief and
I was talking to spirit and I said, just in joker,
I wasn't serious, and so I just feel like topping myself,
and this spirit came back. I said, well you can,
but she's not here, which I thought was wonderful. My question.
Speaker 3: I put my kind of inquirer's hat and we'll where
is she? That's what I asked. Did you ask that?
Speaker 1: Well, I never know she she's alive. That's my wife. Yeah,
I'm so fed up with this because draining that kind
of thing just I've had enough. And they said, well
you can, but she's not here if you come here.
So I found they can be quite humorous. Yeah, funny
and sometimes like the monk. As I was telling the
monumentally annoying.
Speaker 3: Monk annoying? Who is the monk?
Speaker 1: The monkey is supposed to be my guide and I
was supposed to have a life with him back in
seventeenth century sicily, But as I was explaining earlier, he
scared off two girlfriends when I was younger, did your
par he did? The one that wandering lady. I was
getting on very well. We were just about to go out.
We'll start going out for a drink or whatever, and
then she looked at me and said, there's a monk
standing next to you.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 1: And then a little while later it was I can't
see you. The monk doesn't want me to eleven years
later another lady. I thought this is the one, and
I really did think this was the one. We spent
our first night together. I'd gone out to get coffee.
Come back. She's standing at the door with her bag.
There's a monk standing on your stairs. He doesn't want
me here, bastard, thine of her. So my guide is
pain in the air.
Speaker 6: As you are you with anyone at the moment, if
you don't mind me asking, no, no, not, I'm not
I'm not say did the monk give up?
Speaker 1: He was? He was okay with my wife?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but.
Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of scared to me with anybody else
at the moment. Don't even turn it up again.
Speaker 6: So what did he say about your wife? Did he
kind of say no, I'm okay with it?
Speaker 1: Or he was your silence on that he didn't tell,
So I'm good with that. Seven people have seen the monk. Yeah,
I was telling Neil, I never have him, Yeah, never
seen him, felt him, but never seen him.
Speaker 2: It reminds me years ago, I remember seeing one of
these ghostly programs. It might have been an Arthur see
Clark Mysterious World or one of these shows from years ago.
In the eighties, and there was this like a four
or five year old girl that was getting put to
bed by her mum every night, and she would talk
about the man that had come into the bedroom, and
she described him as with the tea towel over his head.
And the mother didn't know what she was talking about,
but she said one night she was putting her daughter
to bed and the daughter says, look, mom, there's the
man with the tea towel over his head. And the
mum looked round and she said she saw this monk
stand at the end of the bed, but she couldn't
see her place.
Speaker 1: It was just blackness in it. And she freaked out.
And she said that she ran down the stairs and
ran across the neighbors and left the poor daughter in
the bedrop by herself. You know, never quite dodgy parents
in there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, what do you do?
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think she must have got someone to
go back and get the door and make sure the
door's over. I never heard what happened, but yeah, just
reminded me of that particular story. But anyway, I think
what we do now we're about an hour into the show,
so we can take a break and it's just joined us.
But I mean you give them a chance to get
up to speed for part two with plenty of questions,
so I think if we want to grab a cup
of tea and resume in a minute.
Speaker 1: So thanks Mary much for Rod for join us on.
Speaker 2: The paramol Pio Part one and we should be back
with further questions in part two.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned.
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Speaker 6: Hi folks, welcome back to the Paranormal Peak Show with myself,
Andy Chaplain and Neil Ward. Neil, what's on the agenda now?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 1: So we've still got Rod here talking about his voice
recordings from the other side, but prior to that, I'd
just like to say about our previous guests of twenty
twenty two September twenty two, So if you listened to
the last episode which went out in July, that was
a re upload and slightly edited episode in tribute to
Mark Hartshawan who sadly passed away in June of twenty
twenty four, just a few months ago. And so I'll
ask out to his family and his friends, and he
came on with his sister Jane, who's a medium. Both mediums,
and they gave a great interview. So I decided, upon reflection,
would be a nice idea to say thank you to
them for their time and pay tribute to them by
putting the video back up and putting it back out
once more with the knowledge that sadly he's now passed
himself to the spirit world.
Speaker 2: He was a very very good medium. I met him once,
did a great reading, and then of course we had
the interview with him a few months later. So condolences
to Jane and family and friends of Mark Harsham.
Speaker 1: Okay, you.
Speaker 3: Know, even the psychics and mediums, we've all got a
ticket out of here.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, absolutely everyone passes through those burly gates. No one's immune.
Speaker 2: We all go on there and some do come back,
which is the interesting thing. I know that, for instance,
supposedly the medium Helen Duncan returned in the Skull Experiment
and she's when in the nineteen fifties. She was the
famous wartime medium that was put in prison because of
her gifts, and she sent through an apple I understood
in the skull experiment, which I think was a newspaper
of the day where she was put in prison, and
they tested it and analyzed the ink and everything, and
it turned out to be from that particular time period
because it was interesting.
Speaker 1: So there we go.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we all do go to the great wondrous
other side and maybe send back our voices one day
to tape recordings and things like that, and Rod or
someone like Rod's with Rod's skills will be there to
record us. So getting back to yourself, Rod, you've obviously.
Speaker 1: Got these recordings. Yes, could you play a few examples?
You said you've got someone on your phone or something. Yeah, yeah.
The first one we were talking about the monk quite
a bit in Bolwu. Yeah yeah. And I was told
that I was a monk two back in seventeenth Centraly
Sicily and I had this it's come through that says,
remember you're a monk. You did get again? Yes? Please?
Yeah that sounds quite spooky. Yeah it is, yeah, yeah,
I mean it's it's a good job, I wasn't a
womble in a previous life because a voice and say,
remember you're a womble.
Speaker 2: If anyone's old enough to remember that corny song, I'm
afraid so yeah, yeah, yeah, So when you heard that
the first time? What was your thoughts when you first
heard that come through?
Speaker 1: It was kind of backup of what I've been told,
because you told all these things through the different voices
and dreams I was having, and then to get this
very simple message remember you're a monkey, it kind of
backed it up right. Okay, Like I said, I don't
really feel I haven't lived amongst life in this one,
but there's obviously a connection going back.
Speaker 2: Right And and like on that particular recording, was you
just saying spread lyve be a message and it just came.
Speaker 1: Without or was no, I wasn't doing anything. I was
recording a program on Radio three and it came in
the silence wow, people talking wow. So that that was
just out of silence. That's why it's kind of whispered.
I yes, wow, Wow.
Speaker 3: I wonder what the purpose was for asking you to
remember that you were a moment.
Speaker 1: I know that I asked that muster all the time
that's a big question for me. I haven't come up
with one because they they have said so many times,
remember mm hmm. And I don't know what, but you know,
it would have to be something to do with doing
something in this life, wouldn't it. That would be it.
But as to what that is, I don't know. If
there have been a few challenges with people, and I've
wondered whether it's to do with those or even the
fact that I can pick up these voices mm hmmm.
Is in because I've had that kind of background in
the past. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 6: Maybe i'd of like asking you to go back to
your spiritual routes or find solace and something like.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think it now? Is in one way
we spoke about a in a in a break about
your website. We talk about the archaeological way. So she's
springing for listeners and viewers. What do you mean by that? Okay, Well,
with this, you don't need to rely upon what the
medium tells you. If you like, you can hear it
for yourself. Mm hmm. And a lot of people, more
than I thought, are interested in past lives reincarnation. So
we can start with we'd have a conversation with to
record it and we'd get a piece of information. The one,
for instance, came through and somebody said, my Sarah, she
was Jewish. Pretty clear, I got I can play that
one to you in fact if secrets here, And then
we had that conversation and then we followed it up
here it is this is my Sarah, she was Jewish. Wow, yeah, yeah,
So I haven't got the next ones on here actually,
but we followed it up and we got one where
help somebody shot me and we dug down, which is
what I call it the dig, and we found out
that this particular person was shot in Budapest in a
place they're called the Republic City Park during the Second
World War, and they were killed that they weren't killed
by the natsist they were killed by Hungarians. I think
they were the blue Arrow people to be Hungarian fascists.
So it's that sort of digging down to get the
initial bit and then talking about that initial bit, my sir,
she was Jewish, and then you talk about that, you know,
do you feel any closeness to Judaism or the Jewish
faith or and then you go down and you get
other messages. So it is kind of like an archaeological
dig where you go down, get little bits, brush them off,
and then move on right right, So that's why I
describe it like that.
Speaker 2: And how do you make the connection between a voice
you hear on are recording into a person in hunger?
Speaker 1: It's being shot? I mean, do you get the surname
to be able to trace it or something. Very rarely
get surnames. Sometimes get first names, yeah, but very rarely
get surnames. It's just a matter of sort of digging
down and just getting little pieces of information and putting
them together. It's a bit of a detined, right it is.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to say about sur It's very rarely get surnames. Now.
Andy and I, as we mentioned before, do mediumship.
Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, Andy, but have you
ever had any surname come through?
Speaker 3: Was it just first Yeah, but it's rare.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got a surname when I was doing a reading
for someone the other day. Literally was one of the
first things that she sat down. I just said, and
what I saw was the words in two broke broken
down two words egg. I saw the word egg and
then called.
Speaker 1: Eggleton or something like that, And I said, does the
name Eggleton, I said, I'm seeing it as Eggleton mean
anything to you, And she went, oh my god, that's
just shiver up my spine, she said.
Speaker 2: And it turns out her deceased daughter, her marriage name
was Eggmonton, you see.
Speaker 1: So of course I didn't know that. And I was
thinking about it the other day, thinking, okay, that's quite
amazing that they gave me this surname. Now I have
heard the name of Eggleton before, so I was wondering
whether what they've done is taken a name that's the
closest match possible, so the name that they want, and
said say this and it'll be accepted, you know. Yeah,
because and this is what I wonder about your recordings. Yeah,
I think sometimes it sounds they're just manipulating sound, and yeah,
we can't always get its spot on, can you? And
I think, yes, that's I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, are they maybe in a similar way to Claire
audience clairvoyance, taking the names that exist in your mind place.
Speaker 1: Names Christian names, and then somehow pushing that onto the
tape in some way because the meddium, Yeah, I think
there is that, But just spoken about the Republic City Park. Now,
obviously I know about Buddypest, I didn't know there was
a Republic City Park. I had to look that up. Yeah,
and I'd already been told about that, so that that
wasn't in my head, right, that was a completely new
piece of information.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: Why do you think they can only send it in
small packets of data like a quick sentence here and there.
I don't know. Maybe they can do I mean, I've
had sentences up to about twelve words the big one
right right. That's incredible. Yeah, and maybe they can do more.
Maybe it's my problem or our problem that we can't
pick it up.
Speaker 6: I tend to look at it like it's just a
telephone type thing. Is kind of You could just about
make out what they're saying, what the words are, but
you might miss certain bits of it.
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Yeah. And it depends how it comes through
as well, whether it's riding off the back of a
human voice, through silence, different sounds. So I think it
depends on it comes through. I picked up one out
of complete silence, and I have no idea what it means,
and it simply says he's brought us home, He's ever
so tired. Now, because, as I mentioned in the first part,
I have sleep near I was born with no threat,
so sometimes I sliw it badly. I'm very tired. I
was this style play this one. This is out of
complete silence. He's brought us home, He's ever so tired.
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah? Here I could hear he's brought his home.
It's hard to get the second part. Okay, it's just
give me another. Yeah, that's that's really that out of silence.
So what I had I.
Speaker 6: Found with this weird voice intonations going, isn't it. It's
it's because you think that you think the way that
it would be said, it will be kind of Uh,
he's brought us home, he's ever so tired.
Speaker 3: It's more like he's brought us home, he's eversode tired.
It's a strange song, isn't it. It's it's a straight
tone that comes to the vps. And I've noticed that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost used to the Stephen Hawkin's voice synthesizer type.
But they're probably not using vocal chords or something.
Speaker 1: This is my look.
Speaker 3: They can't be can they.
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So what they're doing is and This is
my best guess.
Speaker 2: In the same way that we can artificially modulate waveforms
and we call it synthesized audio or something, you know,
and we can do synthesize sounds, is that they're taking
those wave forms.
Speaker 1: And somehow reframing them and remodeling them to sound like
human voices. I think so, I think so. I mean
i'd go. I spoke about that one where the boy said, India,
the problem is your Christian. When I'd gone to India
and I hadn't got the spiritual experience although I'm not
a Christian. My culture is Christianity, isn't it. I was
dead and this voice came through and said, India, the
problem is your Christian. Did you get that one? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Now that almost sounds like an Indian accent as well. Yeah,
do you think I've never thought about it? I'm going
to listen to that letter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like an Indian lady's voice to me,
but I might be wrong. Yeah where did you receive that?
You got that? In India? That recording?
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 1: No, No, I got it back in the UK and
in Huddersfield and he came off that so yeah, yeah
it did.
Speaker 2: I almost kind of thought I could detect like an
Indian accent, of some sort of regional Indian accent perhaps,
which is interesting.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I remember there's an ITC researcher you perhaps come across
from in your own.
Speaker 1: Research rad called Mark Macy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so
he had I mean, he's quite well known in the
ITC world, I guess, and that's where he received a
telephone call I believe from Constant rod Think is that yeah,
a Latvian Latvian.
Speaker 2: Researcher into EVPs going back the sixties and seventies. I
think he was initially a skeptic at first.
Speaker 1: Then he met another guy that did it and that
kind of convinced him that he was on the right track,
and he actually phoned through. This is the amazing thing.
Speaker 2: He phoned through to Mark Macy one day and said,
you know, hello, this is Constant Tine Roderby and he died.
Speaker 1: He said, oh, can I record you?
Speaker 2: And he goes yes, absolutely, And obviously it makes perfect
sense to me that you'd get an ITC researcher from
the other side who would then want to come back
to present day.
Speaker 1: IT researchers because he knows that they'll be looking out
for him sort ofly, yes, and he left like a
five minute conversation, which is incredible, and it is absolutely
crystal clear. And the weird thing that I listened to
when I listen back, you can, but I thought I
could hear his breath as he's breathing.
Speaker 3: That's weird.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard, you know, because one of the things
that they said in.
Speaker 7: There was a spring morning in nineteen ninety two and
I received my first telephone call from the other side
from constantin RAUDEA.
Speaker 9: Mark Macy had been preparing to conduct an ITC experiment
involving very low frequency radio transmissions. According to Macy, the
caller identified himself as a rout of A and offered
advice regarding his experiment. He had no way to record
phone calls at the time, but he was prepared. When
the caller rang again.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll try to make it clear on this time,
it's a the LF receiving convert Okay, you'll simply collect
the the alefnvert to your eight e f raksn tenna
input and shut all the eleven TENN.
Speaker 9: The conversation lasted for several minutes. The caller's voice was
clear as a bell, and his advice regarding Macy's experiment
was sophisticated and technically impeccable.
Speaker 4: Oh two, four or five oculars respectively. Okay, wonderful technical
from this side.
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. Contently, it was the most moving
experience of my life. It was just very humbling and
such an amazing experience to receive contacts from the other
side through a telephone.
Speaker 2: Physical sounds is when you've got your Leslie Flint kind
of direct voice seiance. They produce an artificial larynx with
ectoplasm in the sounds, and there's somehow the spirits modulate that,
and I've always come through it.
Speaker 1: But they say you won't hear them breathing because they
don't need to breathe. Yeah, you know, a very.
Speaker 2: No pause for breath or anything. But on this constantine
voice you do hear. It's almost a very deep breathy boys,
which I thought was really weird considering the circumstances.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they synthesize the sand. You can almost
imagine them sitting there like with a special effects departments.
How we can do breath there? Can we put that on? Yeah? Yeah?
Shall we do the heavy breathing.
Speaker 2: I mean, there must be loads of from to make
it more real, all that have passed over that done
heavy breathing down telephones in their lifetime, you know.
Speaker 6: Going back to the tannoise situation, I wonder if there's
some kind of weird training school on the other side
where spirits can go to learn how to interact with
physical human things.
Speaker 3: Because they've got to learn it from somewhere. So where
do they learn it from?
Speaker 1: Hmm?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they must have the equivalent of an adult education
course over there, and you get.
Speaker 1: And you can do basket weed and flower ranging, speaking
back to Earth through something for that one. Yeah, I
do hope you get a certificates. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: How would you keep it? Those the spirit?
Speaker 1: But so so we think there is then modulate in
the sound in some way, in a sort of synthesized way.
Do they do other I mean I've heard that they
do sounds of sea and dogs and all sorts of
I think, yeah, I mean all sorts of things. I've
found voices Like one of the strangest I've got is
a family who they had had experiences in the house
like poltigeaust experiences, and they were wondering what was going on,
and so I spoke to them. I recorded it, and
I'll play the little clip NAT, and there's a mother
and a daughter talking about kind of do yourself exorcism
they've done for the who was doing all sorts of
things in his bedroom, right, And you can hear the
mother say, and we really pissed it off. And over
the top is the voice of the daughter who's sitting
there talking at the same time as her soul voice
comes over the top and she says, ah, what you've done,
as if to say, yeah, you have paid it off,
but not in the way you think so. Agen alight,
But don't know whether you picked this up on here,
but let's go yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that isn't
really manipulating sound. I'm not sure what's happening there, but
somehow she got her voice because you can hear her
talking underneath as well, and she got her voice over
the top.
Speaker 3: By that again, what Yeah, it's not the main.
Speaker 1: Talker over the top doors up to the mone roots talking.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre.
Speaker 1: No one is aware. No one was aware that that
was on there until you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I was just going through it and I was looking
at in reverse if I could pick up at the
time I found this, and then I just found a
noise and I thought that's a bit odd, so I
put it back forward and that it was m So
she's somehow put her for whatever reason. I mean, what
was the reason to do that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe to say, well, yeah, you have annoyed it, but
you haven't annoyed it in the way you think. Yeah,
I don't. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Now I've been reading some stuff from a French website,
I mean obviously have it in English for people, and
they basically are investigating new ways of communicating with the
spirit world. They do various experiments, like they'll set a
medium inside a boom something like a small cabinet, and
they'll shine lasers across mist whilst the medium's in there,
and then they take photographs. And then when they look
at all these photographs, they can actually see faces sometimes
in the mist. And also they can sometimes.
Speaker 1: See words spelled out in the mist, which.
Speaker 2: Is interesting because you know, the skeptics will say, oh,
you're you're just imagining faces and things, but now words appearing.
Speaker 1: But one of the messages that come through either the
channeled mediums or through a something I don't know how
they got it through. Says that they're going to start
taking over artificial intelligence and utilizing the power of AI.
And one of the things that made me think about
that today was because I was putting our tribute show
together for Mark Hartshan. I thought I'd run it through
an Adobe podcast enhanser, which at the time when we
originally recorded a year and a half ago, maybe two cups,
I wasn't aware of they it hadn't developed it. But
since that time they developed it. So I thought, oh,
i'll improve marks audio because he was just speaking through
a normal microphone on the laptop, which wasn't that great.
I'll see if I can improve it by running through
the podcast enhancer. And so I've downloaded the whole video
of YouTube and it's running it through with our soundtrack
music as well as the speech. Now I'm just interested
in enhancing the speech. I'm not interested in hansing, and
the music doesn't need to be enhanced. But by default,
the AI was trying to automatically enhance the music in
some way. But why it was doing it was mistaking
the music and thinking it was a human voice and
was trying to modulate it to sound like a spoken word.
So what happened was the result was it came out
sounded like a person's singing our theme tune well, which
is a bit wish, and it's like, well that's a
bit you know. It's it's very strange, but it was
actually singing in tune and in time with it. And
it's really just an AI voice. And so when I
run out recording through AI, it'll pick up our voices,
it analyzes it and reproduces them, but it strips away
all the reverb and clears away all that and just
protects for a nice, almost studio clarity recording. So I'm
wondering a that you could perhaps try your own recordings,
running it through Adobe Podcast Enhancer, uploading it to I'll
give you links on how to do that. It's wrong
to see if it can enhance it some, but may
be for future recordings.
Speaker 2: It might be worth bearing in mind that, you know,
especially if the spirits presumably become aware that you're going
to try and enhance their audio later on, they might
then take steps on their side to try and improve it,
or do something where you can meet in the middle,
so to speaks.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I just
do the best thing at the moment. I speed it up,
slowly down, get rid of the background noise. But the
technology is moving along so fast, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah,
a lot more. Yeah, so did you get any tips?
So they give you tips on what to do or
you know, like you enhance your mind in some way
or yeah, I mean that they say at the moment,
that's somebody or a group that want to work with me,
but they can't because they have to raise my vibrations
a little bit more. So I do transcendental meditation, so
I'm trying to do more of that, and I'm actually
quitting the day job the sh as well, which I
hope will sort of you stress me a little bit more.
Speaker 3: What is your daga about winterest?
Speaker 1: I'm a writer. I'm a business writer, so I write
about Middle East primarily. Okay, So I'm doing all these
things to try and make myself a little bit more chilled,
I guess. Yeah, as they said, they're waiting for me
to do that, and they can't work with me at
the moment because I haven't got quite got that right.
I don't know, these people are so do you believe
that in this case you are?
Speaker 2: I mean, from my understanding these things they say that
when you've got these ghost boxes or audio recorders and things.
Speaker 1: Like that, you have to have a medium in the
link for it to actually work. Do you think they're
all the medium in this case? Well, they've said to me,
you're you're, you're, you're being given the clever gift of
mediumship with their words. Right. Although I'm not a medium
like you may be, I can't do that. Yeah, Well,
in some way I can pick up the voices where
other people can't. It's right.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Yeah, because I mean there was a Bacelli
which was the the Italian medium featured on Calling Earth documentary.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of him. Request you seen.
Speaker 7: Keep stick down?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You could.
Speaker 5: Us piano that to tell baby keep with fine control,
looking too, Sam Slain, I contain the eque.
Speaker 9: Ma m.
Speaker 10: Marco very spoon deploy. Here is a say coop of
Pa not got play? Oh man, God shout your bratan
to co pupa to Papa conte.
Speaker 5: Baby.
Speaker 3: That's why.
Speaker 5: I could the garment.
Speaker 4: The boy I need you want to say two side?
Speaker 3: Well, lookate the boy you said before the engine.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. I think he's passed over it again himself.
But he lived in one of these sleepy Italian talent
Italian regions. Forget where it was now Tuscany. Maybe I'm
not one hundred percent where he lived in Italy.
Speaker 2: But he was like a washing machine stroke radio TV
repair man, and he had like a TV shot and
he was a simple man by all accounts.
Speaker 1: But somehow it must have been the spirits must have
lat shown to the fact he had all these gadgets
in his in his workshop, old radios and things like that.
Somehow along the thing it was discovered that he could
bring through the voices of the villager's dead children through
the radio. And in this Call in Earth documentary you'll
see the whole village, many of the villages come to
like a meeting room that he's got and he switches
on this old wartime wireless and you can hear them
a lord, mama or whatever they're saying, you know, in
their Italian dialect. And there was a scientist there on
one of these occasions, and they were sort of saying, okay,
how's this working. Let's let's unplug it from the wall,
so they unpugged the radio, but still the voices were
coming through, and so they said, okay, well let's take them.
How let's take the valves out of this radio. They
took the valves out, and still the voices were coming
through this thing. And then again the.
Speaker 2: Whole idea of saying, are we just picking up local
broadcast it was completely ruled out because when the Skull
team from the village OF's Skull in Norfolk, coll Suffolk
where it was Norfolk, Yeah, they they I think it's
Robin Foy and his wife and he flew over and
met this gentleman in Italy.
Speaker 1: And then suddenly the voices changed to English and saying
is that our Skull team and they started speaking in
English and it was their team from the school experiment
suddenly came through this radio and was talking to which
I found was absolutely fascinating. And you know, despite the
fact that you know, the skepticists can say what they want,
but there was engineers and physicists and all sorts of
people there looking at this radio. I'm tugging it, removing things,
and still the voices were coming through, and everyone that
was there was convinced that they had heard the voices
of their dead children or relatives. However, it was Zentner. Yeah,
he had to be present. He had to be present
because he was the medium. Yes, yeah, oh I can
believe that. Back in the mystical experience, I was telling
you about finished the nine o'clock but he letting. We
were walking out and into the kitchen. Beautiful music was
coming out of the stereo and I said to my friend,
I said, but to that, she said, it's not turned
on and the plug wasn't in the wall. But as
soon as we said it, music disappeared. How weird, Yeah,
it got it caught you a guards a little better
one lean carters off guard. Yeah, and like I say,
it was just beautiful music. As soon as we realized
that it was there, it just faded.
Speaker 3: Was the style was it was?
Speaker 1: It was almost choral, but there were no voices. It
was kind of hard to describe it. Yeah, but yeah,
that's the close thing I get, sort of coral with
no words. Yeah. I've heard of these uh heavenly choral
voices coming through various people's.
Speaker 2: Recordings, you know, and you're thinking, wow, this is this
is weird stuff. I'm hearing these choral and it almost
sounds angelic. You know, it was almost cliche. If I
have to, I was about to say that could gets
a bit worrying, then, doesn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to your mind, you think this is yeah, this
is what, this is what dreams may come type stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyone who hasn't seen that film, it's worth watching. With
Robin Williams where he goes to heaven for the world
is worth watching. Anyway's quite an entertaining movie.
Speaker 1: As any of these voices ever, kind of worried you
to an extent. I'm tampering with the wrong thing here.
A couple of times a bad things through that are
I call the darkness. One in particular that I've got
a little recording off here was are you aware of
the exorcism of a German girl back in the seventies
called and Alis Michel? Very famous at the time. She
died and the priest who was doing the exorism was
taken to court. All right, right.
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 1: I picked up a clip on possibly YouTube, I can't
remember played it through now. The interesting thing with this
story is that in I think two thousand and five
two thousand and six, Hollywood made a movie of this exorcism,
but they changed it to an American story and it
was the Exorcism of Emily Rose So this is like
thirty years after the event. Now this arding he's from
the nineteen seventies of the girl it was based on
and avoid I mean, I don't know whether you're really
very well here because it's quite raw, as was the
front during the excism. And he says Emily rose House me.
So it's like thirty years before they are quoting from
the movie to be made about it thirty years later. Wow.
See if you canticure, you can't hear that one so well,
can you? When you probably need to put cans on
in that and sort of listen to it. But it's
I've slowed it down as well, quite dramatically and on
the computer and clin it just says Emily rose House me,
and that sense Jill Stimmer. Wow. Wow, that predicts them, Yeah,
predicting it was going to happen in the future. Another
one that came out of nothing. Another person I was
working with and they were getting in trouble and a
voice just came out of no one and said, we're
preparing a disaster for her life.
Speaker 3: Hm.
Speaker 1: Hm, that's harder to hear, but I think I can
hear the word designs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you probably could
have heard it, you know, a couple of time, A
couple of three times come out. So yeah, there are
ones that are a bit creepy. But I you know,
I mean I always say, you know, people don't die
and just become angels. Nah, no, go to get people
over the other side. Yeah, they probably haven't got a
lot of power, but they're still like girls in trouble.
Mm hmm. Now is your mum still with us or
has she passed over? She's passed Yeah, yeah, so has
she come through any of the recordings? A couple of
times I've heard from I had an interesting experience before
she died with her actual issue. She had two massive
strokes right and it left her without the ability to
walk to talk to Peterson. She was basically a vegetable
and I used to go and visit her at the
nursing home. And about three or four days before she died,
I was up there, I was about to go, and
I knelt down in front of her to you know,
say goodbye and kiss her, and suddenly there was a
clarity and she leant forward and looked at me and
smiled and said I love you, and then it had
gone again, and she moved back, sort of looking into
the distance and didn't know what was happening. Wow. So yeah,
I mean there are a lot of people talk about
these moments of clarity, don't they?
Speaker 2: And yeah, funny enough, we were talking about that today,
my wife and I about how when people are ill,
they're ill, like really ill, and they're expected to be
a death door and then something there's like a reprieve
and they get what they talked to their relatives and
then next day they're gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is a similar thing. I think it
can be moments, or it could even be dazed with
some people. So I believe. Yeah, yeah, but she's come through.
Messages have come through. She was a fanatical dancer. She
loved dancing. That I had a message through that said
Irish dances. Iris was the middle name, So little things
like that. Yeah. Yeah, and she's now dancing. She can die,
she must be Yes, you can dance forever she was,
didn't they?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting? So what thought tips if someone wants to
sort of try and do what you've done.
Speaker 2: Recorded voices for the beginner say the self saying what
advice would you give someone?
Speaker 1: I would tell them to make a recording no longer
than a minute, and then jove through it in perhaps
five six seven second segments, listening forward in reverse in
between speech, slow the recording down, and the voices are there.
It's just learning to hear them. But it's something I
believe anybody can do right just because they're there. I
think we spoke about, you know, being the sort of
medium for it, but surely we've all got that capability. Yeah, yeah,
you know. I suspect that perhaps one should put the
intention out there that this is what you want to do. Yeah,
that intention will start to bring about results perhaps.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think if you accept it, if it comes through,
you get a message and you don't say, oh it's no,
it's nonsense. Sorry, it's a coincidence. So I think if
you accept it and say, okay, what else have we got,
then it is Yeah, it can be open. So do
you think that someone's got to be a bit computer
savvy to do this because you're talking about reversing the
voices and stuff. Oh, you saw how difficulty it was
when I first came on trying to get the microphone
to work. Yeah. No, no, just just a simple piece
of editing software where you can just record onto it
and you can do slow it down reverse he it's clean,
it's up.
Speaker 2: It will take a little bit of practice for some
people if they're not used to that software, but I
think within a day or two. Oh, absolutely, if the
experments try it. Yeah, yeah, it's quite intuitive there so so. Ibviously,
in the days when we were just used in real
to real tape recorders all cassettes and things like that,
this reverse in and stuff wouldn't have been possible, would
it really?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 1: No, When I started, I was doing it with a
little recorder. But but I actually had a little cassette
recorder that could reverse, so I could do those two
things forwards and in reverse. Right, I could slow it
down right now where it started. We talked about the
TV earlier being developed as a as a medium for
spurs to come through, and I know that there's itc
people that have had captured faces of the deceased on
there is that an area that you might explore later on?
I think yeah, I mean it's a little bit more difficult.
I mean, another thing I'd say to people who want
to try it is get an old analog radea right
the forties and fifties, one that still plays white noise,
and you can get noises in between channels because if
you record that, that's a good place to pick up voices. Okay,
And I think with modern TVs you just don't get
that white noise on the screen, do you, no, Because
it's all digital now. It's all digital and that's what
you need. So it's something I'd like to try.
Speaker 3: M Yeah.
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid.
Speaker 2: In the seventies when we only had three channels in
a BBC one an ITV and we'd have to manually
twiddle the dial to get the channel if it's a
really old TV, or you could press a button it
had come up. But even then you could tune the
channels out a bit and fine tune them. But sometimes
in certain areas they actually called it ghosting, which is
a weird name to call it the engineer ghost. You
would pick up a stray broadcast from another TV region
if the weather was stormy or something, and it would
affect the analog signals in some way, and so you
could be watching your favorite kids show and some other
broadcast would sort of leak into the picture now and
then drift out, and you could hear it fading in
and faded out, and they're sometimes put an apology caption
up saying sorry about this and ghost in effect, and
it was clear after a while, which I was fascinated with.
But that takes us back to that interruption of that broadcast,
which I think was on Southern television.
Speaker 1: I'm not you're right, yeah, yeah, which was I know Ben,
our friend has talked about it quite a lot, and
I think they almost did it.
Speaker 7: Who represent.
Speaker 1: Speaking we speak.
Speaker 3: Done wunting.
Speaker 1: Our brothers and.
Speaker 2: Sisters almost did something like this on not the nine
o'clock news with Ron Atkinson doing a sketch of something
similar where he was some alien taking over the channel
and talking through a voice to communicator that translated his
voice and it would go wrong or something. But this
original broadcast in nineteen seventy seven on Southern Television was
a I think it was a news program. Then it
was interrupted for about eight minutes by this stray broadcast
of this aliens I would say alien it was. It
was an English speaking voice, but it had a bit
of a doctor who kind of affected it or something,
and it says, we were interrupting you this broadcast. I mean,
I'm going to try and find it and maybe insert
it into our program because it's worth listening to. But
it talks about the state of the planet and things
like that, and even to this day, no one knows
where that happened and how it happened, and how they
hijacked the signal, which is very interesting because you'd think
someone would have owned up to this day, oh that
was me, But no one's come forward, so it's very weird.
But why What my question would be is why does
keep it to a localized area of maybe thirty or
forty thousand viewers.
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't have the strength of the signal. It
suggests that.
Speaker 2: You know, whoever's doing it had some sort of radio
signal that would only stretch to certain capacity and hijack
the TV and submission or something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's a real alien or
do you think it's someone just hijacking the signal? Ooh,
it's one of the jurors answer is there that?
Speaker 3: I think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it is. I wouldn't say
for certain it wasn't and he would have been much
more difficulty in those day to do that kind of thing,
wouldn't it. Well, we're all doing yeah, with all the
tech nowadays, you can you know, you can't believe a photograph,
can you No? But back then it would have been
much much harder to do that kind of thing. So
maybe something was happening. I hadn't. I don't know that
much about the UF voting. I'm quite interested on what,
you know, programs that are on and I've only ever
had one message come through that saying to that, and
it simply said, scam the cosmos. It's out there, and
that was it. It's like, okay, can you give me
another clue? But I've never got anything else. There was
that follow up. I tried to follow up, and they
didn't give me a follow up.
Speaker 3: A slightly different different though.
Speaker 6: If you both heard about the woodpecker signal, you were
of the woodpecker signal that what's up?
Speaker 3: Have you heard of that?
Speaker 7: Now?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 3: No, So I've actually heard this. It's really bizarre.
Speaker 6: So this is going back quite a few years. People
noticed that when they tuned into their normal analogue radio
that there's this weird kind of like bird noises and
almost like this this Woodpecker kind of like pecking away.
Speaker 3: And it turns out it was.
Speaker 6: It seemed to be some kind of Soviet code or
Russian code for agents to get information from the UK
to Russia, but doing it in a way that we
wouldn't understand what the hell is going on? And I
have actually back when I had a high five that
was actually tunable, I could actually hear it, and I
spent ages listening to this wondering what the hell it was.
I thought it was kind of like the test frequency
of like a radio station about to be put on air,
and there were testing you know, transmissibility. That's a word.
But if you if you google the Woodpecker signal, you'll
find it out. It's about Russian agents and and the
KGV and and that kind of thing allegedly.
Speaker 1: Interesting interesting, which.
Speaker 6: Is a bit a bit of an aside from the paranormal. However,
what I would say is that the Russians were actually
looking into working with the paranormal, and the Russians were
actually trying to see the sud Bazaar. They were trying
to uh get hold of and put a leash on
the powers of poltergeist activity to see if they can
make it work for them.
Speaker 3: So for instance, if you could control the.
Speaker 6: Poltergeist, you could go over and you know, cause havocon
with the enemy, or you could get it to remote
view you know, enemy documents and stuff like that. So
from what I understand, they did get a lot of
weird activity in things, but it became completely uncontrollable, so
they completely shelved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or did they? I mean yeah, I mean I
know the the US Navy in San Diego were doing
a lot of investigations and experiments basically what I do.
And they came to the end of a period I
don't know it was eighteen months, and they came out
and says nothing in it. And I'm sitting there thinking, well,
if little old me can do it, you know, in
a little in stafford Tura as it was at the time,
I'm sure with all your take you can do it. Yeah,
lying that you know that the stuff there, Yeah, absolutely,
because they have I mean, they've had people like but
they call these people gosh, the word's gone from me.
He wrote the bird, the book Penetration where they remote
view and that kind of thing, and the you know,
they they're their experimenting with people remote viewing into Russian bases,
naval bases wherever it may be. For the United say,
some probably the Russians were doing the same sort of thing.
So they know there's some sort of psychics out there
that can do stuff, and they've tried to harness some
other they they hand and I'm sure you know, they
keep their ears to the ground, so to speak, and
they will definitely know that people have made reports and
they're certainly websites like yourself and other people that talk
about you know, voices of the dead being recorded on radio,
and so they must think, okay, let's look into this.
They've got to. They can't just ignore him. But then
it doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: They they're curiosity would be beyond the measure, and like
they say, they've got the gazillion dollars to do it,
you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, definitely one. And it's like it's like
the film Stranger Things where they've got these well TV
zero Stranger Things on on on Netflix, where they've got
these American secret laboratories with kids you know, didn't mind
over that stuff, and well that, guys, I'm sure those
bases and secret labs exist. I mean, on the face
You've got these people now that are getting funded by
universities too looking to record you know, people getting vocals
from the dead. There's actually legitimate fundings where over a
period of four years they're going to analyze all these people,
give them questionnaires. What did you hear, do you have recordings?
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, Because it's become a
real phenomenon, and.
Speaker 2: I did in some of my research, and I can't
validate it, but I remember hearing something from someone saying
that when they would developing MRI scanners that something about
the spirit world or something was hijacking them in some
way to get their voices to come through the machine,
or in some way they were using the MRI technology
to get their images shown up on the scanners. I'm
not quite sure, but it was something to do with
that MRI scanning technology that supposedly spirit.
Speaker 1: Voices were leaking into it or images were leaking into
it somewhere. I don't know whether they put anti spirit
filter on it to stop it appening, you know. I mean,
when you look at all the different ways they do
try to get in touch, they obviously want us to know. However,
is this argument. Isn't there that if we didn't know
for a fact that we all die and go somewhere else,
that there would be chaos down here and somebody would
something bad would happen, and somebody would go and jump
off a bridge because they're going somewhere else. So it
seems sort of sensible, really this, and easier we get
when we're born. It's there for a reason, isn't it.
It seems to be there for a reason. But then
why do they keep knocking on the hello Hello? I know, hey, Yeah,
it's two sides of the coin, because they say they
want people to be aware of the spirit world, but
at the same time they still want us to tread
this path because it's yes, our educational learning or wherever
it's supposed to me. I also wonder whether the powers
that be the establishment are aware that there are spiritual
dimensions beyond this one that communicate with us. And they
have proved themselves, possibly in some secret lab, that people
do come back from the dead. They have used mediums
and paid them loads of money cash free or tax
free or something to do their salances for them, whatever
it could be, and they probably proved beyond a shadow
about that people do survive the grave, but they can't
really announce that to the world at large because that
gets a whole heap of problems. And the reason being
is that if there's, for a instance, and I just
use one example, you know, you've got a secret government
agency that's bumped off someone someone shot Kennedy or whatever
it may have been. It wasn't Oswald or.
Speaker 2: And Kennedy's going to come back through a medium or
through a telephone or something and say, yeah, it was
actually you know it was so and so that arranged
from my demise or wherever it may have been. That
they don't want you to know because it opens up
a whole can of ons them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And as we were talking earlier about the determinism,
are things scripted? Yeah, so that couldn't be allowed to
come back and change that. Yeah, confused and rent it.
Speaker 6: I tell you what I've heard. When people get heat,
and what I mean by heat is when they get followed,
when they get the black helicopters, when they get weird
phone calls, and when they get weird, strange, screwed up
things happening in their lives. When people start dabbling in
remote viewing, when people start doubling remote viewing. From what
I've heard, that's when you get a little bit heat,
not just from kind of like spirits stroke, alien stroke, whatever,
but when you get actual physical stuff like helicopters and
phone calls and black cars and men in black and
all that kind of thing. And I can kind of
see why because if you are a government agency and
you have got senseive documents and things that you don't
want people to see or know about or technologies, the
last thing you want is remote viewers who are not
funded by the government, who are just brogue loose cannons
coming along and having a look at what's what's in
your big area fifty one shed basically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember years ago, I mean men in
black there was a lung report.
Speaker 3: Are they still about yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, still game to be employed, I think, yeah, yeah,
they still look the same, They're still the so okay.
Speaker 6: So there's there's different variations. I've heard about women women
in black as well. I've heard a report on that
for some reason, they still go for the thedora and
the and the black taups are that I don't know why.
I don't know why this is a thing for hey ho.
But yeah, then mixed with that, you've got reports that
they've got black eyes, completely black eyes, and they always
they're always kind of uncomfortable in this skin, like they
don't really feel that they should kind of be in
that skin kind of feeling.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's a thing. It's a thing.
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
Speaker 2: You never see these men in black pull up at
petrol stations do it to top up their tangle?
Speaker 1: Does everyone look?
Speaker 2: And then those guys, you know, we don't seem taking
their their their suits the dry cleaners or something.
Speaker 3: Do you see the mentoring hotels?
Speaker 1: So it had been caught on a CCT.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me show you this. Yeah, so I found
the woodpecker thing.
Speaker 6: If you have a look at chat Neil and in
the quick chat you'll see the woodpecker signal.
Speaker 3: I found that. I'm going to quickly find the hotel
men in black. So this is allegedly there we are,
here we go, let's bring it this week.
Speaker 6: I'm by skinning, So I'm gonna i'll put this in
for later because there's there's a bit of audio of
someone else that's that's talking over it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mute it.
Speaker 4: My end.
Speaker 6: Actually, I'm just going to quickly go through it. But yeah,
we have got I'm just going to kind of go
forward until we get to the main bit. There we
go the hotel, there's these two very shady guys and
they kind of walk through and yeah, yeah, and it's
caught on CCTV and the report is they just I'm
looking at it now. They look exactly like many black
They've got the door hats, they've got black suits, they've
got the white shirts and the tires and it just
looked very, very odd. And there was a strange interaction
between the hotel receptionist and these these guys. And I
think from memory, i'd have to watch the whole thing.
I think from memory they kind of disappeared and then
they're kind of like they couldn't find them again, and
it was it was just it was an odd occurrence occurrent.
Speaker 2: I think men in black were occurring to the time
of the Mothman prophecies, and John Kill wrote about that.
And John Kill, who was the main investigator of the
Mothman prophecies, was also receiving mysterious phone calls and it
sounded like an electronic voice. It didn't seem to be
a humor voice, but it was telling him things like predictions,
you can't go back to Point Pleasant, something bad is
going to happen there, et cetera, et cetera. And he
was warning him and he wasn't really sure what the
warning was about, but he knew that you shouldn't go
back to Point Pleasant.
Speaker 1: And then oh, yeah, I can see it now, yeah.
Speaker 3: Pre.
Speaker 6: Screenshots, So if you ever look at that. Yeah, but Neil,
you said, you said about the electronic voice again, you know,
this metallic, staticy electronic voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So this this voice was coming through to and this
was in the sixties, you know, you know, so it
was coming through the telephone of the landline obviously they
didn't have mobiles there, and it comes through through a
hotel telephone to John Kill. But he's telling him not
to go back to Point Pleasant. And it was I
think it's in nineteen sixty seven that what they call
the Silver Bridge, which is a connects Point Pleasant to
the rest of the towns, and things collapsed on fifteenth
of December with a load of Christmas traffic on there,
you know, and someone had dreams of presents floating in
the river prophetic dream because presents worth floating in the
river are Yeah, I think somewhere around like forty eight
forty nine people died in it and things, and so
this is obviously what was connected to the prophecies, that
this mysterious voice was telling him don't go back because
something's going to happen. But they didn't want it to
think what you see?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, could that voice? I don't know.
I had a warning years ago, just before the seven
seven attacks in London, right, and it simply said, murder
in London on Saturday. Really well, you think why I
tell you that? Because you can't do anthing better? Becausually
didn't know what that was. It could have been a
single murder, It could have been anything on that Saturday,
it was this seventh attacks.
Speaker 6: Wow, there's a friend of mine and I know this
is Atal, a friend of mine who had a similar dream.
Actually her dream, she was a psychic. I met her
on a kind of like a psychic kind of check
check room type thing and became friends with her. And
she's Scottish and yeah, she was a wonderful lady. I've
kind of lost contact a little bit, but her experience
was that she was sat down in a dream. This
was in a dream, and she was pleading and trying
to convince a terrorist that was going to commit a
terrorist act not to do it in London. And she
had this dream and she's saying, please don't do it,
and he wasn't listening, and he was he was helpent
on actually doing it. And I remember her kind of
like talking about this dream. And then seven to seven
happened and it was and it was free key, very freek.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was nearly arrested Heathrow Airport. Really yeah, well,
what it was. It was about a week after the
seven seven bombings. At the time, I lived in the
Orkney Islands off the north coast of Scotland, but I'd
been doing some work from satellite TV company near Heathrow
and so then I'd done a sort of that's right.
Speaker 2: I decided that I'd go to Heathrow Airport the night
before my early flight out because it was just going
to be a hassle trying to get there early in
the morning.
Speaker 1: So I thought, what I'll do.
Speaker 2: I was good to Heathrow Airport, find a place to
sit for the night, take the sketch pad out and
I started sketching because I do artwork, and I took
a photo of myself for my kids to say, here's
Daddy at the airport. Now, what I hadn't realized was
that because when I first arrived at the terminal builds,
I came through it and every seat was taken up.
So I walked all the way through the terminal building
and found a seat at the far end somewhere. Now
I sat down there and started taking pitch. And now
I saw these policeman walking around with guns and everything
like that, but all securities at the time. But this
girl started to look at me that evening. It was
about eleven o'clock at night, and I thought, why is
she looking at me? And she got our walk around
and sat down. And anyway, after about twenty minutes, this
policeman came up to me with a gun and thought,
criichi And he leant over and he goes, excuse me.
He says, where are you flying to? And I said, oh,
the Orkney Islands and he goes, Orkney, where's that? I
don't know where Orchy is so I said where. It's
a group of islands off the coast of Scotland and
he goes, oh, can you show me? So I had
to put everything down and get my slight piece of
paper and show and my booked flight and a piece
of paper.
Speaker 1: There it is, you know, and he goes, oh, okay.
He goes, what's that pendant you're wearing around your neck?
And what it was?
Speaker 2: It all came together afterwards that he said, oh, I said,
oh this I am going now he said it's a
pentagram and he goes, oh, what.
Speaker 1: Faith is that? I said, well, pagans were I guess,
you know, because it's just so we thought it was
a fake star of David. So it turned out that
where I was sitting was the El Al, the Israeli airline,
our checking area, and the lady that looked at me,
she was part of their security team posing as a
member of the public, and so she had seen me
with what she termally is a fake star of David
and I was going to be some fake Jewish terrorist
or something getting on their planes. So she tipped off
the policeman. Everyone was on hire, alert and nervous, and
I was number one suspect for the day.
Speaker 6: You know, It's it's the biggest belief. How for some
people could be that stupid. I'm sorry, but it's just like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a security lady and a policeman, you know, and
has never pentagram. Yeah yeah, yeah, So but there we go.
So yeah, just thinking, I don't I don't think my
warning was the seven seven one. It was the one
where the people were hit on Westminster Bridge. It was
now one. Yeah, right, But a.
Speaker 2: Lot of these things have happened. I mean, it's supposedly
getting back to the moth Man. Someone supposedly sighted a
mothman around the twin to hours just before they came down.
Speaker 5: Of it.
Speaker 2: Whether whether it's a genuine or it's been photoshoped, I
can't say. I don't know, but gim make sure wonder
these people find these things in hindsight.
Speaker 1: I don't know old this, you know. But finally, Rob,
we're coming to the end of the show now it's
gone really quickly. And what's your plans for the future
as far as you're recording voices and things concerned. Well,
as I say, I'm sort of retiring from the day job,
so I want to take it forward and do more
of it. What I've found is that it's really helpful
for people, people who are buried, but also there's an
awful other people out there terrified of death. It goes
beyond just a fear, and I have helped a number
of people to sort of get over that, right, and
it's a good feeling. It's a nice thing to do,
as opposed to writing about Saudi Arabia, which isn't a
nice thing to do. And so I'd like to sort
of take it in sort of that way. Do carry
on doing the Reincarnacian stuff, but also more of a
sort of counseling thing, if you like, because I qualified
as a therapist about thirty forty years ago, so eating
it's sort of a natural way to go. Yeah, I
just after spending my life as a business journalist, I
just I like helping people and being able to do
it now without worrying too much about making loads of money,
which sort of as you get older it doesn't matter
as much, not that I've got loads of money, but
you don't you know that sort of drive. Yeah, yeah,
it's not.
Speaker 2: The money is money for money's sake, and yeah, you know,
it gets you through the day of like buying a
few things and stuff like that, but at the end
of it, well, what can I do with my life.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a really good thing, I think.
And so but you're writing skills. Are you going to
write any books or anything like that, mate, I've got
one at the moment of almost finished. But it's not
about this subject, funny enough. It's about the link between music,
neo death experiences and mystical experiences through the ages, from
from the ends up to modern day. And that comes
from that experience where I said, when you feel the
tingles and you're a beautiful piece of music, and that's
what started the whole thing off. So I could have
started from that premise and built on that. So excellent, Okay,
in the next couple of months.
Speaker 2: So if people want to find out more about the work,
they can go to your website and standing yeah.
Speaker 1: Which is simply my name, Roderckmillington dot co dot UK.
Speaker 2: Okay, brilliant, thank you, right, So if anyone wants to
check out so there's a lot of recordings on this
so they can be actually here for themselves, go to
Rod's website. We'll put the link up is Roderickmlinton dot
co dot UK. But we'll put the link up on
the YouTube version and also in the program description if
you're listening, So it's worth going to that website and
checking it out for all the information he's got there.
And I would also recommend as an extra thing is
look up a film. I think it's on the Vimeo.
I think it's pretty certain on Vimeo, which is another
YouTube type of channel, and that would be called in
Earth by Daniel Dresen.
Speaker 1: I think the director is or producer, and it covers
a lot.
Speaker 2: Of people that are working in that field of ITC
and EVP recordings and things like that, and talks about
some of the people that I've spoken about tonight, like
the the Bacelli, which is the Italian chap that's done
recordings and things. So I'd like to say thank you
very much in d too, Rod for smearing a few
hours of your valuable time for us.
Speaker 1: Is very having me. We've enjoyed it Andy. Any final last.
Speaker 6: Words, it would be interesting if if anyone else has
got experiences that they want to contact us about in
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Speaker 1: Brilliant.
Speaker 3: But if people do want to.
Speaker 6: Send some genuine EVPs and audios and stuff, do messages
on panel peep show, we have to hear them and
then maybe you could plain.
Speaker 1: But another point, Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, we'll maybe
get you on the show. Whoever it may be, that's
got some interesting stuff. And if you've got any ideas
for programs in the future subjects to cover, please do
get in touch and let us know. All right, thank
you very much, indeed, everybody, and we're catching next month
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