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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network and now

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it's time for the Paranormal Peep Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome to the Paranormal Peep Show and the

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Paranormal UK Radio Network. My name's Neil Ward and I'm

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waiting for Andy to turn up. But he's actually will

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be showing up hopefully later on in the show. He's

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just kind of tying up the things at the minute.

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Speaker 1: So I thought I'll.

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Speaker 2: Dive straight in and chat to our guest, which is

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Rodrick Millington.

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Speaker 1: Hello, good evening, Roderick or right near like were you?

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Rod Ruddy is better? Yes, the Rodrick was the name

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my parents gave me to punish me before i'd done

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anything wrong. Well, thank you for joining us, and how

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are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm good and good thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm having a more relaxed lifestyle nowadays. I moved

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to the Welsh coast about seven months ago. That is

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that the north fall south? It's the middle yeah Twan,

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which is near Bamouth, right, moved through a little bit

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more of a peaceful lifestyle, yeah, and left potholes than

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inst for sheerwhed I used to live, which is destroying

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the car regularly. Oh wow. So yeah, so a little

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bit more peaceful and gives me more time to do

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the things I enjoy, right, Okay, such as we'll talking

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to deaderal people, yeah, which is definitely going to get into.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's the subject of to night's show. And

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before we go into that though, so you talk about

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the West coast.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah. One of our producers of the Paranormal UK

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Radio network Iron, she lives out in Wales and she

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says that she constantly sees UFOs around her area. And

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I can't remember exactly where she lives, but probably more

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south than where you are.

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Speaker 2: I think she lives at the kind of virtually at

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the very end of the M four corridors Swansea Way

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or something like that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do you see anything strange on the coast

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of where you are? I haven't. I've only seen Dolphines dolphin.

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He's a start, isn't it. But I have only been

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here seven or eight months, so okay, but no I haven't.

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But the disguise that are very clear. I can I

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can believe that people do do see things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I've heard something about the Welsh Triangle as well,

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which is people for some strange things around that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that is down south, isn't it. Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but for that southwest do with rock stacks and

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things like that, And yeah, Alan's coming out and that's it.

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Speaker 1: I think going towards Sat David's and Saunders foot down

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that wall.

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Speaker 2: Right, Okay, okay, So well we're hopefully think this cost

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you might see you at some point there, hopefully weather

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permitting and everything. So your background, though is very different,

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is you're into the life after death and specifically what

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I would understand as as what do they call it?

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Kind of recording of voice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you used to be EVP, hadn't it? And then

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I'm VT and yeah, there are various various names for it. Yeah,

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And I came into it by pure accidents, right, I'm

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a business journalist by trade, yeh. And it was about

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twenty years ago, and my father had died a couple

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of years before. And my mother, who's always been into

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the paranormal and psychic happenings. Her mother was a bit

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of a witch in a nice way. She'd got certain

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she said, will you come with me to see a

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certain psychic medium in Wolverhampton. So I said, yeah, I'll

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go and I had a reading, and as I was

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playing it back at Hope later, I had a message

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come through, very very clearly, and it said, thank God

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I walk without them pills. Well, my father before he died,

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he'd got terrible arthritis, couldn't walk properly, couldn't open a book. Really,

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these hands were in a terrible state. So I thought, well,

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and he did take a Corney copia of pills first

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thing in the morning, just just a function. So I

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thought that's interesting. I played it back off a dozen

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times to make sure I was hearing correctly, and it

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was very clearly. It was like talking to somebody on

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the phone. So I thought, can I do this without

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a medium? Can I just go on and ask a question?

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So I did, and I asked some pretty daft questions

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and then I said, have you seen anybody you know?

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Like your parents? So I had done that, and he

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came back very clearly and said Eric's up here with me,

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his brother m hm, a couple of other things, and

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then he finished off by saying, my hands work. Hear

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me Rick will Rick shortening the Roderick. When I was little,

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they killed me right right, And that's what started it.

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It was it found me. I didn't go look him.

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Speaker 2: That's very interesting. So did you play the initial record

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that you found back to your mum for any kind

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of verification from her?

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Speaker 1: I did. I did, and she was thrilled. Wow. I

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applied it to a number of yards. But I played

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it to my brother, who was an arch skeptic Will

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he calls himself an atheist, and I played it and

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he said what I said to him? Are you still

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an atheist? Now? He said, yes, I am, but I've

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got a very bad feeling about it. So he was.

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can hear these things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no denying that there's something there. Even No,

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he couldn't explain it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean he's still a clearer than others.

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But these first three were incredibly clear. Was this just

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on an ordinary tape recorder or something? Was that he

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was at the time, yet it was actually the medium

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we went to see. You recorded it on accepta. Yeah,

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And I only got a little tiny cassette player at home, madam,

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don't big player editor, And I just played it back

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on that and just listened through, and they just jumped

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out sad me.

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Speaker 2: So did you go back to the medium or let

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him know that that.

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Speaker 1: You'd picked up these voices on the tape? I did.

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I did, and we had we met in a hotel actually,

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and we had a chatting. He had to listen to them,

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and being a medium, he wasn't that surprised that they

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get through.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was. He was impressed by the clarity of these esses.

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And at one stage you wanted to sort of go

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into business with me, right, talk about it. But then

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the third person that was going to be in it

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had some family problems and all kind of slowly fell apart, right,

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Speaker 2: So this started the book rolling yourself though, to try

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and and dig deeper.

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Speaker 1: It did, it did, and it brought me into contact

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with the monk. I don't know whether you've noticed that

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on if you've seen the website, I was looking and

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reading something about a monk. Was very intrigued to find

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out more. The monk is sort of the the DJ

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if you like. He seems to control all this, but

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he's also a complete pain in the asset times. Yeah,

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started back in nineteen eighty three, way before I picked

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the voices up. I was staying at a friend's house

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so overnight and a friend of mine she'd got a

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young sister who was very attractive, and I quite fancied her,

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and we were getting on very well, and at the

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end of the night we were just sort of arranging

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to meet for drinks, and then she sort of looked

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at me funny and said, you know, there's a monk

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standing next to you. And I said, no, this is

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the first time i've heard of this month. No, anyway,

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long story is short. The next day she says, I

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can't go for a drink. The monk doesn't want me to.

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God this it gets worse. Eleven years later, in nineteen

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ninety four, another lady. I thought this is the one,

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and we dated for a while and then she came

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over to my home. We spent our first night together.

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got no coffee. Wait there, I said, I'll go down

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the shops. So I go down. Ten minutes later, coming back,

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she's standing at the front door with a bag, and

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I said, what's the matter. She says, there's a monk

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on the stairs. She said, looking at me. He doesn't

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want me here, and that was the end of that relationship.

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Bloody hell. Yeah, no, I know. So he is a paint.

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Seven people have seen him. I haven't, which I think

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is a bit of a cheat because he's the one

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that's affected my life. I've never seen him, right, But

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he turned up again in twenty fourteen. I'd arranged the

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little group around my house to sort of look at

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the voices. Yeah, there were just four of us. I'd

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never met any of these people before. I've got a

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little add in the local press or I think it was.

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walked through the door, said hello. Second thing she said

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was you know there's a monk with you. I said, well, yes,

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she says, well, he hasn't got a hood up, but

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he looks like a monk to me, and he's ancient.

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And so this monk has been here well seemingly all

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my life. I know. He took me back to Sicily,

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to where I was supposed to be at a past life.

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was remember you're a monk and I can tell you

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my life hasn't been that monk like, but that was

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coming through. And I've had a lot of Christian Sea

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themed things happened in my life. The strangest was when

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real urge to become a priest. The fact that I

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wasn't a Christian didn't seem to bother me at the time.

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do it because I wasn't a Christian, but I had

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this urge to become a priest, and then the voices

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sort of followed this up. I went out to India

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in two thousand and eight, and of course when you're

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everything out there, and I thought it's gonna be great.

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and loved India, and I loved visiting the temples and whatever,

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but I didn't feel anything. So he come back and

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I'm talking and I'm recording talking to somebody about this,

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and I said, I just didn't get anything. And this

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message came back and said, India, the problem is you're Christian.

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a previous existence. So by this time most of my

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friends wanted to be locked up because it's it's it's strange,

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isn't it. When these things happen, you can't do anything

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about them, and you can't really explain them well to

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people who don't want to listen.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So there were very few open minded people who

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I could talk to. But but I carried on doing

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the voices with the few people I could, and I

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asked you this this monk was and I got the

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message wholly he's author and minister so okay, yeah, minister monk,

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he's a writer. I'm a writer, so so that would

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that would fit in. And as I went on, I

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just got more and more of these messages. So just Rod,

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you have served the fishermen. So but they were all

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sort of Christian focused, even to the point. Four years ago,

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my my marriage broke up in a very strange way.

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It was quite upsetting, and instead of this guy coming

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through and saying you've got a problem there. He comes

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through and repeats the word gets so many four times,

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and you think, can't you just stop being biblical for

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once and just tell me? Yeah, but he has got

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this very sort of old fashioned way of communicating. Uh

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Speaker 2: He still done with the Are you still now like

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using taor recorders? Who are using digital audio recording?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I used the laptop mostly, right, okay, And I

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picked voices up out of silence on the back of

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the human voice, over the top of the human voice.

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the monk calls it blending. Right. One of the most

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if anything to that. So welcome to the cancer. And

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I asked for coffee and whatever, and I'm just talking

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to this legard. And when I played that later, she

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says to me, yes, Rod, calls me my name, Yes Rod.

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I think she is in pain, right, So she didn't

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earn me from Adam and she's called me by my

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name right, so in my mind it wasn't really heard

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it with somebody else using her bocal records, yeah, and

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blending with her. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting.

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a big strangers turn up at your door through the

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add in the paper. Yeah, a lady called Pauline and

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you're from Staffordshire originally, yes, can you remember what her

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surname was?

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Speaker 1: Out of interest? Oh was it Dwire? No? It wasn't.

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Speaker 1: I used to know a.

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Speaker 2: Lady called Pauline Dwire from Staffordshire and she used on

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a little mystical new age shop and I did a

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talk for her group many years ago. So I'm thinking, oh,

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she might have been the sort of lady to senior

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advert and decided to come along you know, yeah.

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Speaker 1: That sort of thing. But no, obviously wasn't. She did

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work in that type of shop at once. Actually she

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was a sort of volunteer blind blawder. No, this lady

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had reddish hair, if right, But yeah, anyway, sorry to interrupt, No,

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that's okay. Is it all making sense that? Yes? It is,

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because I've obviously from my background and Andy's background as

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well for that. Now, we're both got backgrounds in mediumship,

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and in fact, we actually met in a psychic workshop and

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we were one of the very guys that go to

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these things.

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Speaker 2: For some bers are reason I find it interesting. I mean,

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since all these ghost hunting proms have come on TV,

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castles or prisons ghost hunting with ladies and cameras and

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gear and whatnot. But when you go to spiritualist church,

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you tend to see a lot more ladies than men.

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Speaker 1: There.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's probably five women for every man or something,

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you know, and sometimes the man's reluctantly gone along Lea

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drives or something. But anyway, me and Andy met at

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this psychic workshop and we were one of the few people.

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of readings on each other and stuff like that. And

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the part of my background is researching the whole thing.

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So I've read up lots of stuff and looked lots

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of interviews, and so I've got a kind of although

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I'm not experienced directly, I've got a general, kind of

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broad understanding of the nature of it on your website,

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and you've got about the two monks from Italy that

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were pisical, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they

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were sort of thinking, oh again calling them by the

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pet name, which is what you said your dad called you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're right, that's right. Yeah. He's a strong evidence,

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isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of suspicion or skeptics to saying, I know,

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you're picking up stray radio signals or something like that,

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you know, but when they start calling your pet name

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and when you were a child, that's very hard to

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argue against, I think. And these two monks were a

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little bit concerned that they were picking up voices.

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Speaker 1: And so they was it. They wrote a letter to

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the Pope at the time they did, and the Pope

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said it was fine, that it was scientific, they weren't

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doing anything wrong, and even said to them this could

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help with belief in the future. Right, So the Pope

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was very under and the Vaticanto this deal to this

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day still do an awful lot of research into this

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kind of thing. Wow.

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Speaker 2: I also understand they've forgot their own Vatican astronomer or

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something as well, So they're kind of interestingly that there

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had been this sort of science, the ones that sort

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of six hundred years ago would would would you know,

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denounced people like Galileo or Pindicus for saying that the

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Earth is not the center of the universe or something,

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you know, whatever they said, or the world is not

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round or blah blah blah blah. Yeah, they've kind of

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come full circle on that. So did you have any

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fear of this when these voices were coming through or

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was you quite kind of relaxed about the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I was very relaxed about it. It felt fine. I

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didn't feel threatened at all. I'd got a background, my

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mother was very interested in this kind of subject. I'd

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had things happen before. Yeah, so it wasn't new to me.

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I'd had well when it was seventeen my first, I guess,

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really strange experience was in those days, all the bands

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used to play in cinemas and not arenas like they

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do today, and we used to cure around the cinema

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a couple of months before to get tickets. Well, myself

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and a few friends were queuing around Birmingham Odient to

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get tickets for Rod Stuart, the Faces and further up

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the street. There was a wimpie bar that was open

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all night, so we took turns to the go up.

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the morning and we sat down ordered and then this

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man came in, big guy, tall, what looked like a

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several road suit. Probably wouldn't know what a several roast

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suit was in those days, but you could tell it

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was expensive carrying a ghetto blaster two o'clock in the morning.

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join you? So we looked at all the empty tables

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and said yes too, us sit down. And the first

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thing you said to us was where is the crypt?

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Where are the people?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: This brought out the worst in my two friends started

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to Yeah, they were rude. They were very very rude.

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And I was sitting opposite him, and this has gone

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on for a while, and I tried to change the

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subject and said where are you from? He said, oh,

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I'm just a traveler. Okay, where Canterbury Cathedral? And I

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recorded the quiet are reds, the botto ghettup. Last that

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comes on, music comes out, waitress comes out over until

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I think to turn it off, and then I tried

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asking other questions and he was just vague about everything.

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The waitress comes over and says, because in those days

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you had sort of table service in past or of joints,

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and said what what would you like? And he said

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nothing for me, please, which made it even weirder. And

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then I looked down because I'm opposite, and I noticed

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his wrists and he's got stigmator marks on his wrists

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where they would we should be. I know they're mostly

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showing on the hands, aren't they, But crucifix was to

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the wrists, so I'm looking at the next to it.

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He's got this It looked like a roller because I

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say it was a very expensive watch. And then he

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turned his other hand there about and he'd got them

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on both sides. So I'm thinking this is rue because

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I knew by then what Stig Martin was. Yeah, as

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a kid, I sort of read up in all sorts

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of things. But then the strange thing was he kept

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asking where the crip to us, which brought more insults.

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And then we went to go and I stood up

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and I said see you then, like I did with

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everybody in those days, and he looked at me with

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these and this ill mess sounds like, especially Hollywood effects

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with these piercing blue eyes, and said, yes you will,

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and he turned walked out. We followed him out ten

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seconds later, and anybody that knows New Street in Birmingham

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would know it's a long, straight street, very hard to disappear.

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At two o'clock in the morning, he'd gone. He disappeared,

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and I don't know who he was. I don't know

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what that was about, but it kind of also ties

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in with the monk, the religious theme, meeting somebody with

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stick martyr, So that kind of experience I guess that's

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why it wasn't unduly unnerved, but by the voices coming out,

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because I had experiences like that.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was like a grounding for what was to

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come later on. It was it was Yeah, I remember

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reading about Stickmak. I'm sure you perhaps read it, and readers, readers,

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digest magazines and things like that. I seem to recall

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articles like that of interest. I think that's where I

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earned that first found out articles about people dying and

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going out their bodies on operation Yeah, thank you readers

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died us So no, you never found the mystery stigma

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to man after that. But no, he said he was

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going to see you again. So yes, that he never

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showed up maybe.

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Speaker 1: Or not so far, not so far wow, But yeah,

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he just said, yes you will, and it was kind

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of the yes you will that sends a bit of

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a shiverard and your spine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Did you get a sense that he was

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more kind of interested in you than your friends?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I think because I wasn't insulted. I felt quite embarrassed

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by Actually, yeah, I was a little bit hard coming

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in and not wanting any food, asking where the crypt was.

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But I didn't feel it warranted what they were doing.

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I mean that they were lovely guys, but you know

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they were young. Yes, that's the excuse i'd give. So,

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and I was sitting opposite, and I suppose I did

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get that little bit more of a connection. Always the

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one trying to ask the questions like where are you staying? Yeah, no, nowhere,

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I'm passing through what two o'clock in the morning in

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the middle of Birmingham, you and you don't want feeding?

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Speaker 2: Now, for the American listeners are wondering what we're talking about.

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Wimpy bars that I haven't seen him in a long time.

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I don't know why I haven't existed, but they were

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the British version of McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: Eh, I like, that's it. Yeah, And I.

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Speaker 2: Remember a friend of my brothers who came over to

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visit him from the States couldn't believe it when he

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saw a wimpy behind He says, who knows going to

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call their barrel?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what they were called. But I think

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they must have gone out of business. But yeah, they

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did shakes the whole thing like that.

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Speaker 2: And obviously obviously ghosts in this particular case, or paranormal people.

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Speaker 1: Whatever, yes, yeah, whatever, he was right. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So once you transpired and you found out that your

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dad appeared to be communicating through the recording, did you

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you carry on communicating that? Was there a continual dialogue

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or did that just tape her off?

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Speaker 1: That kind of tapered off, although I've heard for a

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minium a few times since, right, But it moved on

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to other things. Yeah, And it moved on to with Pauline.

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For instance, she came literally with notes written on the

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back of an envelope and said, this all came to

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be the last night, it's for you, this is from

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your monk. Wow, okay, And they were all what turned

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out to be all places and yeah, all destinations on

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the island of Sicily, right right. And the upshot is

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that I was supposed to have had a life there

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and I got killed in the nineteen sixty sixty nine

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eruption of Vans, right right.

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Speaker 3: So I thought, I've.

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Speaker 1: Got to do a little bit more research into this.

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So my wife and my step daughter we sat down

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and were we were talking about it, could this possibly

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be true? Because it's very easy to go up ludicrous

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garden paths with this kind of thing off, and you

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can you can persuade yourself with things. So I I mean,

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I remember she can't go tribute and how to saying,

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if your mother says she loves you, check it out.

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And I've always I've always been a little bit like that,

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so I had to check you out. But one of

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the first voices I discovered when we were talking was

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the air from the northern slopes got in. Now, most

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people I'd discovered afterwards who died on it, now over

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a few days, they asphyxiated. It was the gases. It

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was wasn't the five bombers or it was the gases.

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So that made kind of sense, and it made even

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more sense because I suffered from sleep am there mm hmm.

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My throat is thinner the most peoples and had the

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first attat when I was thirteen. And I don't know

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whether you you know Ian Stevenson's work, the guy from

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Virginia University who did years and years with reincarnation. I

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might have seen him on a panel of people talking

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about my life after debt. If it's I think that's

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the guy who followed on from him, Bruce gra Yeah,

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I've heard of Bruce Grayson. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he took

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over in Stevenson's post at the university, but he wrote here.

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Stevenson wrote a book called Where Biology and Reincarnation Intersect

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and there are loads of pictures and facts and figures,

473
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and he was fanatical to get all the details. And

474
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:53,279
I read that and thought a volcano maybe. And then

475
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,640
I picked up another couple, my daughter and my stepdaughter.

476
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,359
Her name was Mandy, and I picked up one that

477
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,000
said that was horrendous that Mandy's body found in the cabin.

478
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:12,079
This is what we're talking about, sicily, And I researched

479
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,119
that and I discovered that it's quite common even now

480
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,960
when ETNA blows, which is does frequently to this day.

481
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,440
People hiding the caverns, which are made out of previous

482
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:24,640
lava flows, they actually go and hide in the cabins

483
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,960
or caves. So that made a little bit of sense.

484
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:34,200
And then I had one that said Mandy has died

485
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:38,079
with you. I see her shadow. So and this is

486
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:43,279
all talking about the same thing. And then we decided

487
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,839
ultima though one because it was so interested in two

488
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:48,680
because we wanted a holiday that we would go to

489
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,359
Sicily and have a look at the places that have

490
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,279
been pointed out by Paulin had written down good idea.

491
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,279
So we said to Mandy do you want to come?

492
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,599
And she was, oh no. She had apparently had nightmares

493
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:04,079
about volcanoes since she was about three, terrified of them.

494
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:06,480
She says, I'm not going to an island where the

495
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:11,160
most active volcano in Europe. No, so she refused to go,

496
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:19,079
but we went out, and before we went there was

497
00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,240
a sort of this information to it. I was dreaming

498
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:25,039
about places and I was doing drawings about just the

499
00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,200
words that Pauling had written down, and when we got

500
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:33,440
out there and got two of them, bang on. I'm

501
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,799
not a great artist, but you could tell it was

502
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:42,039
the one I dreamt I was battlements with a tree

503
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:49,599
at the end of the and it looked medieval. When

504
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,559
I got there, these battlements were actually there at the

505
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:55,160
front of the monastery in a place called Inclosa that

506
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,680
we've been led to. They were battlements as such, they

507
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,160
were only about four ste off the ground, and they

508
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:04,039
used to be a place where they put wells for

509
00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:08,759
the monents. But it was identical to what I'd drawn.

510
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:15,880
So it was the entrance leading down and we went

511
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,920
to Nicolosi, which is very near Catania, very near Atna.

512
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,119
You can see Itna in the background. Before that, we

513
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,920
spent three days down on the southeastern coast at a

514
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,799
place where I was supposed to have been born. I start,

515
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:34,240
I'll go recognize this, loved it, but didn't really recognize

516
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,960
it anything. And we had walked into a local village

517
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,279
which was supposed to be at the time the center

518
00:30:42,519 --> 00:30:46,559
of where I would have been born. And before we'd gone,

519
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:49,680
like I said, PAULI had written down all these words Pakeno,

520
00:30:49,759 --> 00:30:53,640
which is a place down there, and she's also written

521
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,559
down Borg, and it was the one I couldn't figure

522
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:01,599
out Borg. I thought star Trek. Now there was a

523
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,319
there was a writer, but the name of borg that

524
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,200
wrote about religious things can't be here completely flum its me.

525
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:12,519
So we're leaving the village and my wife stops and

526
00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:14,400
puts a foot on the water to task you lass.

527
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,440
And she looks up and she says, you're seeing that sign.

528
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,480
I said what sign? Looked up and it had gasp no,

529
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:27,039
my Italian Startgreat. It was Borgo de Pesky Antique, which

530
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,799
was the old fishing village, so borg Borgo. Yeah, and

531
00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,200
all of a sudden that sort of started to make sense.

532
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,279
There's also the Borges as well, which was the words

533
00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:41,200
of the Borges. Yet yeah, it nothing to do with them. Yeah,

534
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:43,680
but yeah, that's there, And I mean it does sound

535
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:44,400
very speedish.

536
00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 2: But when when you put it in the Italian sense,

537
00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:48,880
the Borges and then the Borgia, and they must be

538
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,440
an Italian word or phrasing for that, yeah.

539
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, but it was, you know, it

540
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,640
was it was Italian for the village. I've been led

541
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,480
to this place and there it was Borger. There was

542
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,200
a letter to and on Paul Into, but I can

543
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,119
forgive her for that because the details you sent through

544
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,359
was amazing. Wow wow.

545
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,279
Speaker 2: So it's just amazing really also the weird kind of

546
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,440
accident that your white's shoe lace would have to come

547
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,880
undone then do it up on the wall to suddenly

548
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,200
look up, because if it hadn't, she would have wornd

549
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,079
past that sign and when I would not know it,

550
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:21,519
you know.

551
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: No, I tell you what's come into my mind increasingly

552
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,319
over the years, say I do at determination? Do we

553
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,200
really have a choice of what goes on? Is it scripted?

554
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:33,480
And one of the big ones when I when I

555
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:36,680
separated from my wife in twenty twenty, we met afterwards,

556
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,440
it was fine, and I did a recording in the

557
00:32:39,519 --> 00:32:43,279
cafe talking to her. And the thing with these voices,

558
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,039
you can actually what I think is you can be

559
00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,119
called the soul of the person you're talking to, or

560
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,759
they're subconscious. What word you're happy with? And we're talking,

561
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,880
she says, this is her sort of soul talking, not

562
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:02,240
you know, I can't remember, will I be seeing you

563
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:05,599
a lot? And I came back and I thought, what

564
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,119
do you mean you can't remember?

565
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: You know?

566
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: And I've played it back and it was so clear,

567
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:21,839
and that to me strikes as scripted. That's interesting, isn't it. Yeah,

568
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,000
it's so so. When she's saying, is she not aware

569
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:29,319
that she's saying absolutely not no, no with her on

570
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:32,400
that one, it came out I reversed her voice right,

571
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:35,319
and it came out I can't remember, will I be

572
00:33:35,319 --> 00:33:39,319
seeing you a lot? And of the other little inklingsards.

573
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:41,559
I don't know whether it's just the big things that

574
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:48,559
are scripted, yeah, or whether things can change. I recall

575
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,000
about thirty five years ago having a dream where I

576
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:57,319
was walking around an industrial area that I used to know.

577
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,720
My father used to have a business there, and I

578
00:33:59,759 --> 00:34:04,839
will into an empty workshop on a corner. There was

579
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,680
nobody in there, wor through a few rooms, and then

580
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,840
a voice said, in this dream, this is Eddie's place,

581
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:15,320
but it's not ready yet. Now I met Eddie five

582
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,079
years later, and we've now had a business arrangement for

583
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,719
twenty six years, twenty seven years, and it's been the

584
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:31,400
most important business connection of my life. And again you think, okay,

585
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,679
I mean, he wasn't a factory, he was a publisher.

586
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,679
But even so, you know, and so I do wonder

587
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:44,440
whether the big things at least are scripted. Because you

588
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:47,079
to school, they say it to school, don't they, So

589
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,840
if we have lessons, maybe they're like school lessons they're

590
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,320
written out and you have to I don't know, well.

591
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,079
Speaker 2: Schools have timetables, don't they, And they just say, yeah,

592
00:34:57,159 --> 00:35:00,840
lessons of certain things you've got to learn throughout the day, maths, English,

593
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:01,599
blah blah blah.

594
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

595
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: But what comes to mind as you're talking about all

596
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:09,199
that is, I get the image of tiny, tiny culks

597
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,800
are like like you would get a watch, for instance,

598
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,719
and you get the tiniest of tinest of cogs turning

599
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,360
the bigger wheels that are then turning the bigger wheels. Yeah, yes,

600
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,840
and so the smallest action can make the biggest.

601
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: Difference absolutely, yeah. Yeah, So yeah, sometimes we don't realize

602
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,719
that though. I think, you know, just is shoe lace

603
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,559
changes the whole force of thinking in some sense. Yeah,

604
00:35:37,679 --> 00:35:40,400
It's like people who have near death experiences and many

605
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,320
of them say, it's not it's not the good or

606
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,519
the bad things you do, and the good things are

607
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:50,079
not what you think, they are the little things that

608
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:54,639
you don't think about. Therefore the ego isn't involved, and

609
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,119
that shows you who you really are. And I find

610
00:35:57,159 --> 00:36:01,079
that that's. Yeah. You know, you can think, oh, there's

611
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,320
somebody you know who's homeless, that I'll go and give

612
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,400
him a fiber or something, but he thinking about it.

613
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,239
If you do something, that's the important stuff.

614
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:15,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've read similar things from people that have passed over.

615
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,199
I think it might have been through the Leslie Flint

616
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,119
website and the book Life After Death that was published

617
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:25,039
in conjunction with these recordings, and one of the people

618
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:26,719
at games who I can't remember it was, one of

619
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,000
the people said something pretty much along the same line,

620
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:32,679
staying that you go through a kind of a self

621
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:37,360
judgment which is both horrifying and absolutely wonderful at the

622
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,320
same time. Horrifying because you see how you've been to people,

623
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,719
but also wonderful and since you think, oh my god,

624
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:47,239
I didn't realize I was so spiritual in that particular moment.

625
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: And it's just like somehow, unconsciously you might open the

626
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:55,480
door for someone or pick up something they've dropped on

627
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,960
the floor without even thinking that. There you go. And

628
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,400
that makes a whole big difference in spiritual bank if

629
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,199
I like it does it does, and you get responses

630
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,559
from spirit when you do things like that. Yeah, I've

631
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,400
noticed that. I had an experience back in twenty seventeen

632
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,559
when there was my other step daughter who was in

633
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,159
a bit of a mess, and she was bringing everybody

634
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:22,039
else down with her. We're at the end of our tether,

635
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,440
and I was home on my own and I was

636
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,360
thinking about everything that had happened. I thought, right, Monk,

637
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,400
I thought, if I'm supposed to be a Christian, I'm

638
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,079
going to pray here. I mean, I'm going to pray

639
00:37:34,159 --> 00:37:36,239
to Jesus. I'm going straight to the top. I'm not

640
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,280
messing with the archae angels. I'm going straight. I'm going

641
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,840
straight up there. So it wasn't really a prayer. I

642
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,760
supposed kind of walking brough. I was walking round the

643
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000
night to twenty minutes, pouring all this out and saying,

644
00:37:47,039 --> 00:37:50,719
if you're there, this is what's happened. So I got

645
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,880
to the end, nothing happened, you know, I didn't expect

646
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:58,000
it to went to bed feeling, you know, quite disheartened

647
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,320
about the whole situation. Then woke up at two o'clock

648
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,199
in the morning and an absolute state of bliss. I

649
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,079
can't explain it any more than that. It was just

650
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:14,320
an incredible feeling. And then I fell back for sleep,

651
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,440
which is which is a bit of a skill for

652
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,199
somebody with sleep out near insomnia. I usually take ages

653
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,159
to get a sleeped. I'd gone back to sleep in

654
00:38:21,199 --> 00:38:24,039
five minutes, and then I woke up again and just

655
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:27,559
turned five o'clock, still in a complete state of utter bliss,

656
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,760
and this time I needed the bathroom. So I got

657
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,239
up and I was in the bathroom and I think,

658
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,400
if there's a Guinness Book of Records for having a

659
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,159
mistill experience by taking a peep, I'm in the running.

660
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,880
I really do, because I'm in an absolute statables serving

661
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,400
and pea. And then I went back to bed and

662
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:49,199
again quickly fell asleep, woke up at seven o'clock to

663
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:53,519
start the day. Had gone. But it's like this concern

664
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:55,800
about somebody, and this is it wasn't the prayer of Downey.

665
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,880
It was the concern about somebody, and the universe responds.

666
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,239
I do believe that, and I think it happens to everybody,

667
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,039
but most people don't notice. So did anything kind of

668
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,159
different switch in those weeks after that? No, no, it

669
00:39:12,199 --> 00:39:17,199
got worse. No whole situation went down ill. But it

670
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,960
was almost like saying somebody saying, Okay, you know, I

671
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,000
know what's going on. I've got you back, I'm here

672
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,840
sort of thing. So it was model support, but it

673
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,280
didn't help the situation. So yeah, it's your prayer about

674
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,400
you know, I need to do something. Yeah that nothing happened,

675
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,840
Nothing happened, right, but the bliss was incredible, and it's

676
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,840
in a strange way it helps you because you know

677
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,039
something is there. Yeah, yeah, were you. Yeah, it's funny

678
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:45,159
years and years and years ago.

679
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,559
Speaker 2: This would be about nineteen ninety ish ninety one something

680
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:54,239
like that. I remember just one day and I don't

681
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,559
know what caused it, what brought it on, but I

682
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:02,119
was walking around in a similar not bliss, I would say,

683
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:05,559
but a state of where I seemed to be. I

684
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,119
had a sight, a heightened state of awareness that I

685
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,239
seem to love humanity, which I don't know. We go

686
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,800
around feeling no, but I love everyone, and it's like, well,

687
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,880
I'm beaming this love to everybody, and I just don't

688
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,800
understand what's going It's like some sort of hippie switch

689
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,639
had been thrown in and uh, and I couldn't understand it.

690
00:40:23,679 --> 00:40:25,679
Speaker 1: And then the next day went back to anar couldn't

691
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:29,320
explain it. No, yeah, weird, weird, And you couldn't tie

692
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:33,480
down to anything that you've done or just random. No, No,

693
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,280
absolutely not. There didn't seem to be anything.

694
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: Now looks like it won't be long, Andy says, so,

695
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:42,239
and he will be joining us soon. So he's just

696
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,480
messaged me to say he won't be so about May

697
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:48,079
the next five, five or six minutes, we'll bring him in.

698
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,760
So I wish I keep keep going until then. So, yeah,

699
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:55,960
there was nothing to explain that blistfulness. I wish I knew.

700
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,639
I just carried on, still carry on the psyche development,

701
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,559
and nothing kind of came through to kind of confer

702
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,719
that or anything. So it's a bit stranger.

703
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: Did anyone kind of confirm it in any other way

704
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,400
for you through the voice recordings that you've picked up?

705
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,199
Not really, No, it was stood on its own right,

706
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,760
and since it was such a wonderful feeling, I'm gonna

707
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,360
be honest, I've tried to repeat it. I thought I'm

708
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,920
going to try this prayer again. That it was a

709
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,400
one off, a little bit right in the windy bar.

710
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,840
I think it was just one of those that because

711
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,480
it was quite a big thing into something you don't

712
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,559
as you yet, that's something you don't forget do it

713
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:40,039
stays with No? Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I mean you

714
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:42,400
don't know what makes it happen and what makes it

715
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,760
go away, and why won't it come back? Because it

716
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
would be nice to have again, you know, it would

717
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:53,440
it would? It? Would? I do have back in nineteen

718
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,679
eighty three and January eighty three, I did have a

719
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,559
mystical experience at less than four eight hours right, which

720
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:03,480
really did kick things off and change my life totally,

721
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,880
because before then I'd gone a little bit materialistic, looking

722
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,480
out could make the big books. And again I was

723
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:15,239
staying with friends, and one o'clock in the morning, I

724
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,079
was sitting up with the lady of the house who

725
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:20,559
I used to go to school with, and we started

726
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:23,519
talking about things that go bumping the night. We didn't

727
00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:26,280
know a lot in those days, and I just made

728
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,280
the suggestion. I said, you know those tingles you get

729
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,639
when you're in a beautiful piece of music, could that

730
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,840
be a link to the great beyond, to the divine?

731
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:38,079
And as soon as I said it, they weren't tingles.

732
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:41,599
It was like being in an ocean of electricity right

733
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,320
two years rolling down our faces. We discovered we could

734
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,599
actually reach out and pull the energy through us. It

735
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,559
feel it passed through our bodies. Whatever was with us

736
00:42:53,679 --> 00:43:00,880
was sentient. We see, it responded to certain things, and

737
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,360
I recall that the most for me, the most impressive thing,

738
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,320
because this is going back to what we were saying

739
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:11,000
about these bliss situations and getting responses. At around four o'clock,

740
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:14,760
she said, I wish Mike, who was a husband was

741
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,480
here to experience this. He'd gone to bed, and as

742
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:23,480
soon as she said that, the power of this electricity

743
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,679
as I called it at the time in the room

744
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,239
rose to such a degree it threw her off her feet.

745
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,800
I was sitting in an archer. I was a gay,

746
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,159
but I thought I was going to explode. It was

747
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:36,719
a mixture of absolute fear and she a beauty. It

748
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,800
was a strange, strange mix, and it had responded perhaps

749
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,440
a little bit too much to the fact that she

750
00:43:44,599 --> 00:43:48,079
was caring about her husband and wanted him to Yeah,

751
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:49,840
And I think that's the same as I was caring

752
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,840
about my stepdaughter and heard the blissing she was caring

753
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,519
about her husband, and wow, there it is.

754
00:43:58,599 --> 00:43:58,679
Speaker 4: So.

755
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 1: I mean that another reason why the voices didn't surprise

756
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:03,760
me when they came up, and it didn't disturb me

757
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,800
because I'd had that experience as well. I have had

758
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,320
a very strange, strange life slowly who hasn't gone looking

759
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:17,280
for it? Yeah, for this mystical electricity. Yet she felt

760
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,199
it exactly the same way as you, or did you

761
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:20,760
variation No.

762
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,039
Speaker 3: As soon as it came.

763
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,159
Speaker 1: Up, we just looked at each other. He was your shock,

764
00:44:27,079 --> 00:44:30,320
and teas were rolling down our faces, not through emotion

765
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:34,239
but through the power, yeah, power of the thing. And

766
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,639
then until nine o'clock in the morning it stayed with us.

767
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:40,280
We didn't see anything apart from a in what I

768
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,159
call a colbalt blue board of light, which appeared at

769
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:45,440
one end of one wall at the top and shot across,

770
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,679
stopped and disappeared. That was the only thing we saw.

771
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,239
We did have a little black cat in the room

772
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,360
with us who was seemed to be having a great time,

773
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:01,119
purring like a combine harvester. But it was mostly this energy.

774
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,039
Why again, one of those things that's hard to explain,

775
00:45:05,199 --> 00:45:09,679
But it was a mid People have suggested to me, oh,

776
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,880
it was the Holy Spirit, and do you think, well, uh,

777
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,119
but then you think, well, if it felt like the

778
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,519
Holy Spirit ship failed, I guess, but I'm not really

779
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,559
happy with those kind of labels, So I've coed Uncle

780
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,960
it spiritual electricity. I think that's a safe bet actually,

781
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,480
because I think all these experiences there, you know, from

782
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:34,519
whichever kind of background you come from, your your dress,

783
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:40,079
it in your cult belief yeah, I mean, I'm not

784
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:42,480
on Buddhist or mystic or anything like that. And the

785
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,800
only thing I can definitely sort of say, well, it

786
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,920
might be this, it might be that is I've heard

787
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,039
of the chia energy, which they talk about in Eastern

788
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:54,320
yeah religions, and like the to do with your meridians

789
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,360
on your body for a machi puncture and that kind

790
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:02,079
of stuff. And then also when, for instance, you describe

791
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,760
it as electricity, there's something that Robert Monroe described who

792
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,440
was an out of body Traliou when he yeah, he

793
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:12,599
used to set off the vibrations as he called them,

794
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:16,159
to induce an out of body experience. And and I've

795
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:19,920
I've felt similar things when I've kind of channeled stuff

796
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:23,280
where I'd get a pins of needles tingling going through

797
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,920
my arms and then eventually my arms went nune and

798
00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,440
were taken over by something. Now, whether that's the same

799
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:33,639
thing or a variation of that energy step down or

800
00:46:33,639 --> 00:46:36,440
step stepped up, I don't know, but everyone tries to

801
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,519
couch it in their own frame of reference. They do,

802
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,840
they do. I think it's I think it is all

803
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,320
the same thing. I think what Christians called the Holy Spirit,

804
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,920
what Indians called prana, and like I said, Chinese called chi,

805
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:51,679
I think Muslims called it baracular. I think it's it's

806
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,800
the same energy. I think there is a universal energy.

807
00:46:54,480 --> 00:47:00,440
M m hm h. And I think it's in everything. Yeah,

808
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,000
what a bit like the Force in Star Wars, isn't it? Yeah?

809
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:09,000
It is, Yes, it is like the force yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

810
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,360
exactly the standard that people have kind of almost mystical

811
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,880
experiences watching that when they're really into it, don't they.

812
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 2: I think I think the Force in Star Wars probably

813
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,079
kind of Yeah, it might have given some exposure to

814
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:26,119
some sort of mysticism to some people thinking, well, is

815
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:27,480
there such a thing as the force?

816
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: You know? Yes, yeah, yeah, And it's not just for

817
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:35,519
lifting out rocks or something, you know yeah, yeah, No,

818
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:36,920
I think I think it is. I think it is

819
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:45,159
a universal thing. I think it's what creates whatever that is. Yeah,

820
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,519
he said creative force. Did you get an answer or

821
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,440
your friend get an answers through this eight hours sort

822
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,599
of thinking Okay, what is this? And nothing came through

823
00:47:53,639 --> 00:47:59,880
to explain what it was not really, No, we were

824
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,519
a bit naive. We were I was twenty six at

825
00:48:02,519 --> 00:48:06,280
the time, and we didn't we didn't. If it happened now,

826
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,199
i'd ask all the right questions. Yeah, then we were

827
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,559
just sort of basking it and just asking the you know,

828
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:15,679
occasional things and certain things would happen. So it was

829
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:19,199
a missed opportunity in a way. But it was just

830
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,679
it just enveloped us. And it's when we spoke about

831
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:29,079
things like love, it kind of the energy went up

832
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:34,760
and almost wrapped us in something that's interesting. And we

833
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,039
overdid this a bit then because we kept talking about it,

834
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:41,280
and I think he got fed up. But we we

835
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,320
did sort of talk about that kind of thing and

836
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,119
found that he responds to love. Interesting. That's it's a

837
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:54,440
big thing. Cool, Yeah, I said, I'm sure it doesn't

838
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,000
care what religion you are, where you're from, what you believe,

839
00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,679
so whether you're an atheist though a priest, it doesn't matter.

840
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:01,280
Loves the thing.

841
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, I think that's that's probably a very good

842
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,920
good way of putting it. Also, the other thing I

843
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,000
was going to suggest is fact that it started at

844
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:14,559
whatever time one o'clock in the morning, one o'clock and

845
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:15,480
went rides.

846
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:20,079
Speaker 1: Through to about ninety It was night and the sleep. Yeah. Now,

847
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:25,039
it's just interesting that salness have to be physical. Sunces

848
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,960
tend to have to be done in the darkness because

849
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,320
they say that physical phenomenon is very sensitive to daylight,

850
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,599
and so they would block out the windows with black tape,

851
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,880
black yarn, and no bulbs in the room and stuff,

852
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,000
and the only thing that he could have would be

853
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:47,280
something like a red bulb or something for the manifestations

854
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:50,480
maybe to see. And I find it interesting that your

855
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:55,320
vibrational mysticism love effect was coming through from the sort

856
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,199
of the twilight hours. It was, it was, and I

857
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,639
wonder if that could be something to do with the

858
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:05,920
fact that the power of the daylight would diminish it

859
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,320
in some way. I don't know. Maybe. I mean, we

860
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,599
had all the lights on the curtain were closed, right,

861
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,119
there were on we were just talking. We never thought

862
00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:17,280
about turning them up. No, no, so the lights were

863
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,960
on all the time. But you're right, it happened when

864
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,639
he should happen in a way traditionally when it should happen. Yeah. Yeah,

865
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:30,880
in Dibas. It's interesting because there was a guy that

866
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,960
on our radio station some years ago and talked about that.

867
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:35,000
When he was a young.

868
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: Lad, about eight or nine years old, he lived in

869
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:44,239
I believe it was an former undertaker's funeral home that

870
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,920
had been converted into a house, and he said he

871
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:49,880
woke up one night and he saw a coffin with

872
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,039
a lid off and a blue light coming out of it.

873
00:50:52,119 --> 00:50:54,400
I think it was like a psychic experience. It wasn't

874
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:55,239
physically there.

875
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,159
Speaker 1: But no, But another time, he said, he looked out

876
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:01,800
and he looked across the garden where his swing was

877
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,400
in the back garden, and he said that he could

878
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,920
see what looked like a funeral procession going across the

879
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,280
back of his garden with a man with a top

880
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,400
pat and he had sideboards and he had a he

881
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,760
was swinging a stick, you know, right, yeah, bringing a

882
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,000
coffin across. But he said as the moonlight came out

883
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,400
from behind the clouds, the image would fade off, and

884
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,400
then as soon as the clouds come up the moonlight

885
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,719
the image came back. I thought that was very interesting.

886
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,039
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I'm trying to pick it apart on a

887
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,800
kind of scientific yes, why is that sort of thing?

888
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,679
You know, but it just reminded me actually talked about

889
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,960
your night mystical experience, you know, And I do wonder

890
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,320
that these things tend to happen at night because something

891
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:47,119
to do with the dark.

892
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're probably right. My father had an

893
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:52,239
experience out in China. He was an engineer and he

894
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,119
worked out in China in the mid eight Is he

895
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,039
worke up one morning his hotel room turned into two

896
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,239
single beds in this room. Turned to look at the

897
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:04,039
other bed and there was a Chinese man laid out

898
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,639
in ceremonial costume on the bed right. Wow, you know,

899
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,920
sort of ready for a funeral sort of thing. And

900
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,480
he said he sort of leant up and looked at

901
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:17,400
it and that and then it was gone faded. But

902
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,440
again that was in the as of darkness. Mm. And

903
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,239
he was that hotel you yeah, he was. He was

904
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,679
in the Beijing Hotel, which is a very modern hotel.

905
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:34,280
So you'd expect it in somewhere old, wouldn't you. And yeah,

906
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:38,360
I am old temple war yeah, yeah, yeah, But my

907
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:39,920
dad could be a bit strange, so well, he had

908
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,679
a number of experiences, was he do you think a

909
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,400
closet sidekicked. You think I think he was a closet psychic. Yeah,

910
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:51,000
he was very practically he was an engineer, but he

911
00:52:51,159 --> 00:52:56,599
was very open to things. Yeah, that's interesting. And he

912
00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:01,639
was on Earth in the Warrior on a ship and

913
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,159
he heard a message come through from one of his

914
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:08,960
pals who had been killed on the on the town, right,

915
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,320
So he's had normal little experiences like that, so coming

916
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,519
through and it was yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So so

917
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:22,360
he did have experiences. What would anybody else heard that?

918
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,199
For him? Only? You think, I believe on that occasion

919
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,599
there were two or three of them that heard it,

920
00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:31,280
really yeah, yeah, on that occasion. Yeah, and what do

921
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,199
you know what the message said? I don't. I don't

922
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:38,440
now know. I think it was just something like say

923
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,199
the load right, and it was you know, it was

924
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,360
it was very simple. It was nothing deep. Yeah. Yeah.

925
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,000
I find what I find interested about those kind of

926
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:54,320
experiences is that as a person, presumably in this case

927
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:59,360
he was only recently killed in the wall. Yeah, actually

928
00:53:59,519 --> 00:54:02,480
he wasn't in the war. It was an accident, okay,

929
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,559
Rather it was quite your younger. He never got he

930
00:54:04,599 --> 00:54:07,920
was on a ship that he never went to war. Ah, okay,

931
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,280
So it was an accident.

932
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 3: That killed it.

933
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:12,039
Speaker 1: Ah, right, Okay, so it's killed like a few weeks

934
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:14,320
or a few days earlier, maybe this young channel, I

935
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,800
think it was a few weeks complements. Okay.

936
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: So it's interesting that they're not long gone to the

937
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:24,280
spirit world, but somehow they've got this skill or knowledge

938
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,320
to live and cells to an electronic gadget, Yeah, to

939
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,960
then come through it, which you know, for a spirit

940
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,719
that's just kind of trying to climatize themselves to the

941
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,400
spiritual realms. They're suddenly getting the hang of manipulating physical

942
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,920
matter from that realm, which I find interesting.

943
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,599
Speaker 1: I do you think it takes some time? Wouldn't you

944
00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:48,920
to be able to build it? Yeah? But I also

945
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,599
think if reincarnation is a fact, yeah, you'd go back

946
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,079
and when do you sort of blend into those of

947
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,599
the lights as well? When you become whole and you

948
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:02,800
might already have those skilty that's the case, m Yeah,

949
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,360
or someone on the other side is advising you how

950
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,400
to do it, and looks like Andrew is here, so

951
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:12,679
let me sit and bring him in. Okay, yeah, are

952
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:13,119
you there?

953
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,159
Speaker 3: He can hear me?

954
00:55:14,679 --> 00:55:22,079
Speaker 1: Yes, we can. Yeah, this This is Rod, and I've

955
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:26,440
just been talking to Rod. And Rod does a lot of.

956
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:34,039
Speaker 2: EVP, I TC recording of spirits and things, so yeah,

957
00:55:34,159 --> 00:55:36,800
we've just been chatting about some of his own experiences,

958
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:40,519
and we've just been chatting about how some spirits that

959
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:43,880
when they newly go to the spirit world, somehow have

960
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:49,199
gained the mastery of taking over our physical gadgets like

961
00:55:49,519 --> 00:55:54,119
tannois in his father's case of a friend that died

962
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:56,960
during the wartime and he took over a manage to

963
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:58,880
speak to a tannoy and only been dead like a

964
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,119
couple of weeks, and yet this guy's voice coming over

965
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,719
the ship's tannor, which you pay interesting, So yeah, we're

966
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:08,320
wondering how on earth does one gain those technical engineering

967
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,840
skills of the spirit world to do it within a

968
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,639
couple of weeks of dying, when you're trying to get

969
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,760
used to the spirit Yes.

970
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:15,039
Speaker 1: Isn't it?

971
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:18,039
Speaker 6: Yeah, I relive at the moment we are, we are

972
00:56:18,079 --> 00:56:21,239
recording fantastic Hello everyone. I was actually kind of doing

973
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:24,360
a last minute casting call, so I've been doing a

974
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,880
bit of filming recently and had to get an outfit

975
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,400
ready for something. So yeah, apologies for not being on

976
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,199
the first bit of the show.

977
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:36,039
Speaker 1: Okay, are you allowed to talk about the filming or

978
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:37,280
I thought.

979
00:56:37,159 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 6: Shely not really, I can only talk about it if

980
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,760
it if it gets released, and when it gets released.

981
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,159
Speaker 3: But it's an interesting, an interesting project.

982
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 2: Oh okay, cool past next year we might appear on

983
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:49,800
our screens or somewhere.

984
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:51,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, hopefully.

985
00:56:51,119 --> 00:56:53,039
Speaker 1: Of course, these things snowy take a year to sort

986
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:57,039
of funnel through the chain of editing and whatnot, don't they.

987
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, how were we coping under the first week of communism?

988
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,079
Speaker 2: Nothing much has changed just yet, but things will. But

989
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,440
I should say, for people that are listening, we are

990
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:15,559
recording this in July, about a week after the general election.

991
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,400
But this show is actually going to go out. Let

992
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:25,559
me think in August also, so by that time communism

993
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:27,920
will be well introduced, and it will it will.

994
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 6: I think the honeymoon period will fast wear off, the

995
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,199
whole kind of I don't think everything's going to change

996
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:36,480
for the better. That's going to be completely destroyed at

997
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,920
about two three months.

998
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: Nothing, nothing will change at all.

999
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:41,079
Speaker 3: Nothing will do.

1000
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 6: It just so happens that both and Kirs Starmer are

1001
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,440
both Davos members, and it just so happens that. I've

1002
00:57:48,519 --> 00:57:52,039
seen a video of Kirs Starmer saying if he had

1003
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,280
to choose between Westminster and Davoice, his loyalty would be

1004
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,039
for Davos, not Westminster. Is not a democratic guy.

1005
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:06,599
Speaker 1: M Well, no, I can tell you that without the

1006
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:11,840
devas information, what was wasn't It wasn't Bavos the guy

1007
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:15,599
and doctor who in a wheelchair? I think he was.

1008
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's also I think big tag.

1009
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,079
Speaker 6: I think the picture let's go and kind of up

1010
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,400
and coming people and they get brainwashed and doctrine eated,

1011
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,679
and they have all these little wonderful agendas and they

1012
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:30,480
just go off and do the agenda. And it doesn't

1013
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,239
matter who you vote for left all right, Souna or

1014
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:36,119
starl It doesn't matter. Thats always wins in the cast,

1015
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:37,440
that always wins.

1016
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting interesting, So Andy, if you had any experiences

1017
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:47,559
getting back to the captured any voices of spirits on

1018
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:48,960
tape recorders.

1019
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:52,079
Speaker 6: Or anything like that, tape recorders? Yes, funny enough, Okay.

1020
00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:55,800
So the one thing that that strikes me as one

1021
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,760
of the most interesting things that happened.

1022
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 3: So Neil and what have called Rod?

1023
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:02,679
Speaker 1: Is it?

1024
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 3: Okay? Rod?

1025
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 6: I actually do readings myself, So I go to people's

1026
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,159
houses and sometimes do kind of like house parties and

1027
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,320
kind of arrow readings, birthdays, that kind of thing. There

1028
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,920
was one particular time I was in Bedford, and usually

1029
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,679
when we do kind of readings, we go, well, I

1030
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:24,000
go up to the kind of upstairs area and they'll

1031
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,360
have like a room, a bedroom or something, and people

1032
00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,119
go up there for their readings and then they come

1033
00:59:28,199 --> 00:59:30,000
downstairs and chat in the kitchen and that kind of

1034
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:32,679
that's usually how the house parties work. On this one

1035
00:59:32,719 --> 00:59:36,039
particularly occasion, I had a group of ladies and I

1036
00:59:36,199 --> 00:59:39,360
was getting some quite funny things through from spirit. I

1037
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:41,719
was trying to kind of tune in and do mediumship,

1038
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,280
and they were recording it, so they had This was

1039
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,239
quite a few years ago. I can't remember if it

1040
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,960
was a mobile fight phone or a cassette recording. Might

1041
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:51,039
have been a cassette.

1042
00:59:50,719 --> 00:59:52,599
Speaker 3: Recorder because it was quite a long time ago that

1043
00:59:52,679 --> 00:59:53,199
this happened.

1044
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 6: And there they were kind of laughing, and I was

1045
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,519
laughing and kind of like the things I was getting

1046
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:02,920
through were quite funny. Anyway, I actually got a phone

1047
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,199
call either a day later or a couple of days

1048
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,320
later from this lady and she was listening to the reading,

1049
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:13,000
listening to the cassette, and she said, there was laughing.

1050
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: In the room.

1051
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:17,079
Speaker 3: That wasn't either of us.

1052
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: It was spirit laughter.

1053
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:24,599
Speaker 6: We were laughing. I was laughing, she was laughing having

1054
01:00:24,639 --> 01:00:28,880
the reading. But there was a third entity as well

1055
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,760
at the same time. Yeah, absolutely, fast.

1056
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:33,679
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, yeah.

1057
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 3: So the answer is, yes, I haven't.

1058
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: I must be the only one that hasn't had any

1059
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,280
luck on the audio side, or that I'm very interested

1060
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:43,519
in it.

1061
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:48,119
Speaker 6: So yeah, I've been involved in ghost box stuff, which

1062
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:49,119
is quite interesting as well.

1063
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,199
Speaker 1: The thing, isn't it, that's like live live recordings coming through,

1064
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,159
isn't it. Yeah.

1065
01:00:55,760 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting how technology kind of moves on, isn't it. Yeah, Because.

1066
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,639
Speaker 6: Now you probably know this already. Was like television actually

1067
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,280
started off. It wasn't supposed to be something for like

1068
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,760
lots of fun shows television. The concept of television was

1069
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:17,760
actually to communicate with the spirit. Well yeah, yeah, television

1070
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,960
and were kind of invented and then it caught on

1071
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,039
and they realized they could do shows and movies and

1072
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:26,000
blah blah blah. The original purpose was communication with the

1073
01:01:26,039 --> 01:01:30,159
other side. They there's we could then talk about things

1074
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:32,719
like a phantom telephone corps. So some people have had

1075
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,079
these odd things where they've picked up the phone and

1076
01:01:35,159 --> 01:01:39,360
they you know, they're dead relatives actually spoken on the telephone.

1077
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: I've had a telephone experience, have you. Oh God, yeah,

1078
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,239
not actually, well, I came on and on the answer phone.

1079
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,639
The light was bleeping, picked it up, and it wasn't

1080
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:56,880
somebody talking as such. It was first of all an

1081
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:01,440
American voice saying, this is the answer phone whatever. It

1082
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,800
wasn't mine, And then a whole minute of static. And

1083
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,440
in the middle of the static, a voice came out

1084
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,679
from no orang nowhere and said top of the morning.

1085
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,639
But the future is rough. But then another little voice said,

1086
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:21,079
for now, this was five months before my marital separation. Cry.

1087
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,360
There's like a warning. But it was weird because nobody

1088
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,519
had left a message. It was like somebody else's answer

1089
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,000
machine message had been put onto mine. And then it's

1090
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:31,199
the minute sort of static.

1091
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 6: Now, what's kind of like a little spanner in the

1092
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,840
works of this kind of thing is that there are

1093
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,199
reports that when ets make contact through various kind of

1094
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,480
like radio communications, there is a report of static.

1095
01:02:47,719 --> 01:02:49,599
Speaker 3: And have you heard of this? Neil like a robot

1096
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:51,960
like metallic like voice. Have you heard this?

1097
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's also going back back to about nineteen seventy seven,

1098
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,840
there was that the brilliant voice coming up on one

1099
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:03,519
of the ITV networks. Yeah, we'll go to the TV

1100
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:06,400
channel for about ten minutes during the news or something.

1101
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:09,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I got and carry on.

1102
01:03:09,159 --> 01:03:14,239
Speaker 6: So I'm wondering if the static interference is some kind

1103
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:18,159
of conduit for both spirit realm and ets to kind

1104
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,079
of hijack occasionally and bring across messages in some.

1105
01:03:21,239 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: Baz where they call that white noise, don't they the

1106
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:29,360
staty thing? And my understanding is that maybe it doesn't

1107
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,760
happen so much now. But my understanding to do with

1108
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,280
this kind of stuff was that you needed a carrier

1109
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:40,079
wave or carrier signal to get these signals through and

1110
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:41,360
either getting.

1111
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: White noise I blank channels or between stations hiss or

1112
01:03:45,119 --> 01:03:48,880
static or sometimes they say the sound of running water.

1113
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,639
What's servers? Was that kind of yeah?

1114
01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:57,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't know quite know what that does,

1115
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,480
but somehow it increases the chances of you in a

1116
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:01,559
voice through or something.

1117
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: You know, you know what.

1118
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,599
Speaker 6: I met a girl once, I think I was doing

1119
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:06,480
a reading for her, and it turns out that she

1120
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:12,280
was hearing spirits communicating through her fan, her bedroom fan.

1121
01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,280
So again it's providing, like I suppose, to the matrix.

1122
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,440
You'd call it a construct or a foundation. Yeah, the

1123
01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:22,519
whorrying of the fan was like the initial noise, but

1124
01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:24,559
then there was a kind of like a voice that

1125
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,559
was kind of like projected onto the fan.

1126
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think they can manipulate all types of sand,

1127
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,760
even a door swimming and you know, like you say

1128
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,239
water run it. They seem to be able to manipulate

1129
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,440
the sand. And I found that I can actually hold conversations.

1130
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 3: Oh wow.

1131
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,079
Speaker 1: So I back and forwards maybe five or six times. Yeah,

1132
01:04:44,639 --> 01:04:46,639
and I'll come back with a well, with an answer

1133
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:47,199
that makes sense.

1134
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 3: What did you ask or what did you talk about?

1135
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: And I mean this has been over the past twenty

1136
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:59,159
years and just many various things about I mean, one

1137
01:04:59,199 --> 01:05:00,639
of one of the funny looking back now, one of

1138
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:04,679
the funniest of men. Going back to my separation. It

1139
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:07,599
was causing a lot of a lot of grief and

1140
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:11,760
I was talking to spirit and I said, just in joker,

1141
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,719
I wasn't serious, and so I just feel like topping myself,

1142
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,880
and this spirit came back. I said, well you can,

1143
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:24,000
but she's not here, which I thought was wonderful. My question.

1144
01:05:24,199 --> 01:05:27,199
Speaker 3: I put my kind of inquirer's hat and we'll where

1145
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,159
is she? That's what I asked. Did you ask that?

1146
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: Well, I never know she she's alive. That's my wife. Yeah,

1147
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:38,280
I'm so fed up with this because draining that kind

1148
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,880
of thing just I've had enough. And they said, well

1149
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,639
you can, but she's not here if you come here.

1150
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:47,000
So I found they can be quite humorous. Yeah, funny

1151
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:50,480
and sometimes like the monk. As I was telling the

1152
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:51,960
monumentally annoying.

1153
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 3: Monk annoying? Who is the monk?

1154
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: The monkey is supposed to be my guide and I

1155
01:05:59,559 --> 01:06:01,039
was supposed to have a life with him back in

1156
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:04,559
seventeenth century sicily, But as I was explaining earlier, he

1157
01:06:04,639 --> 01:06:09,079
scared off two girlfriends when I was younger, did your

1158
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:12,599
par he did? The one that wandering lady. I was

1159
01:06:12,599 --> 01:06:14,760
getting on very well. We were just about to go out.

1160
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,440
We'll start going out for a drink or whatever, and

1161
01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:19,639
then she looked at me and said, there's a monk

1162
01:06:19,719 --> 01:06:20,480
standing next to you.

1163
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,119
Speaker 7: Wow.

1164
01:06:21,599 --> 01:06:23,519
Speaker 1: And then a little while later it was I can't

1165
01:06:23,519 --> 01:06:26,679
see you. The monk doesn't want me to eleven years

1166
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,159
later another lady. I thought this is the one, and

1167
01:06:29,239 --> 01:06:31,800
I really did think this was the one. We spent

1168
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:34,360
our first night together. I'd gone out to get coffee.

1169
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,280
Come back. She's standing at the door with her bag.

1170
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:39,280
There's a monk standing on your stairs. He doesn't want

1171
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,480
me here, bastard, thine of her. So my guide is

1172
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:44,199
pain in the air.

1173
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,199
Speaker 6: As you are you with anyone at the moment, if

1174
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:51,039
you don't mind me asking, no, no, not, I'm not

1175
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,480
I'm not say did the monk give up?

1176
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: He was? He was okay with my wife?

1177
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, but.

1178
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,199
Speaker 1: No, I'm kind of scared to me with anybody else

1179
01:07:04,199 --> 01:07:07,480
at the moment. Don't even turn it up again.

1180
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 6: So what did he say about your wife? Did he

1181
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:15,840
kind of say no, I'm okay with it?

1182
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,079
Speaker 1: Or he was your silence on that he didn't tell,

1183
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:21,320
So I'm good with that. Seven people have seen the monk. Yeah,

1184
01:07:21,559 --> 01:07:25,400
I was telling Neil, I never have him, Yeah, never

1185
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:27,320
seen him, felt him, but never seen him.

1186
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 2: It reminds me years ago, I remember seeing one of

1187
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:33,760
these ghostly programs. It might have been an Arthur see

1188
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,159
Clark Mysterious World or one of these shows from years ago.

1189
01:07:37,199 --> 01:07:40,360
In the eighties, and there was this like a four

1190
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,639
or five year old girl that was getting put to

1191
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,400
bed by her mum every night, and she would talk

1192
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,880
about the man that had come into the bedroom, and

1193
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:50,719
she described him as with the tea towel over his head.

1194
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:53,960
And the mother didn't know what she was talking about,

1195
01:07:54,239 --> 01:07:56,199
but she said one night she was putting her daughter

1196
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,719
to bed and the daughter says, look, mom, there's the

1197
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:01,519
man with the tea towel over his head. And the

1198
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,519
mum looked round and she said she saw this monk

1199
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:06,440
stand at the end of the bed, but she couldn't

1200
01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:07,119
see her place.

1201
01:08:07,199 --> 01:08:10,159
Speaker 1: It was just blackness in it. And she freaked out.

1202
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:12,519
And she said that she ran down the stairs and

1203
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,039
ran across the neighbors and left the poor daughter in

1204
01:08:15,119 --> 01:08:21,720
the bedrop by herself. You know, never quite dodgy parents

1205
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:25,079
in there. Yeah, yeah, I mean, what do you do?

1206
01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think she must have got someone to

1207
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:28,960
go back and get the door and make sure the

1208
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:32,079
door's over. I never heard what happened, but yeah, just

1209
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:35,359
reminded me of that particular story. But anyway, I think

1210
01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,720
what we do now we're about an hour into the show,

1211
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,039
so we can take a break and it's just joined us.

1212
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:41,399
But I mean you give them a chance to get

1213
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:43,680
up to speed for part two with plenty of questions,

1214
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,640
so I think if we want to grab a cup

1215
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:47,920
of tea and resume in a minute.

1216
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 1: So thanks Mary much for Rod for join us on.

1217
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 2: The paramol Pio Part one and we should be back

1218
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,479
with further questions in part two.

1219
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,359
Speaker 1: Stay tuned.

1220
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 8: Joined Andrew O Leil every month on the Paranoral Peek Show,

1221
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:04,840
part of the Paranoral UK Radio Network for fun, frolics

1222
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:09,560
and lots of information about weird stuff, UFOs, ghosts and

1223
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:11,960
things that go bump in the night and everything associated

1224
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:15,479
with them. Fascinating guests, fascinating talk, fascinating information.

1225
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 6: Hi folks, welcome back to the Paranormal Peak Show with myself,

1226
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:26,319
Andy Chaplain and Neil Ward. Neil, what's on the agenda now?

1227
01:09:27,119 --> 01:09:27,319
Speaker 7: Right?

1228
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: So we've still got Rod here talking about his voice

1229
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:35,119
recordings from the other side, but prior to that, I'd

1230
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:39,640
just like to say about our previous guests of twenty

1231
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,520
twenty two September twenty two, So if you listened to

1232
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,920
the last episode which went out in July, that was

1233
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,800
a re upload and slightly edited episode in tribute to

1234
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,760
Mark Hartshawan who sadly passed away in June of twenty

1235
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,880
twenty four, just a few months ago. And so I'll

1236
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,279
ask out to his family and his friends, and he

1237
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,760
came on with his sister Jane, who's a medium. Both mediums,

1238
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,880
and they gave a great interview. So I decided, upon reflection,

1239
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,800
would be a nice idea to say thank you to

1240
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,399
them for their time and pay tribute to them by

1241
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,479
putting the video back up and putting it back out

1242
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:22,199
once more with the knowledge that sadly he's now passed

1243
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:23,319
himself to the spirit world.

1244
01:10:23,399 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: He was a very very good medium. I met him once,

1245
01:10:26,039 --> 01:10:28,199
did a great reading, and then of course we had

1246
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:32,159
the interview with him a few months later. So condolences

1247
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:35,439
to Jane and family and friends of Mark Harsham.

1248
01:10:36,319 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: Okay, you.

1249
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:41,399
Speaker 3: Know, even the psychics and mediums, we've all got a

1250
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:42,199
ticket out of here.

1251
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:50,119
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, absolutely everyone passes through those burly gates. No one's immune.

1252
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,439
Speaker 2: We all go on there and some do come back,

1253
01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:54,640
which is the interesting thing. I know that, for instance,

1254
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:01,199
supposedly the medium Helen Duncan returned in the Skull Experiment

1255
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:03,960
and she's when in the nineteen fifties. She was the

1256
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,920
famous wartime medium that was put in prison because of

1257
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:12,600
her gifts, and she sent through an apple I understood

1258
01:11:13,279 --> 01:11:16,199
in the skull experiment, which I think was a newspaper

1259
01:11:16,319 --> 01:11:18,800
of the day where she was put in prison, and

1260
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:21,000
they tested it and analyzed the ink and everything, and

1261
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:23,000
it turned out to be from that particular time period

1262
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:23,720
because it was interesting.

1263
01:11:24,279 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: So there we go.

1264
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 2: So, yeah, we all do go to the great wondrous

1265
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,600
other side and maybe send back our voices one day

1266
01:11:31,720 --> 01:11:34,920
to tape recordings and things like that, and Rod or

1267
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:37,319
someone like Rod's with Rod's skills will be there to

1268
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:41,840
record us. So getting back to yourself, Rod, you've obviously.

1269
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:46,279
Speaker 1: Got these recordings. Yes, could you play a few examples?

1270
01:11:46,359 --> 01:11:48,840
You said you've got someone on your phone or something. Yeah, yeah.

1271
01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:51,399
The first one we were talking about the monk quite

1272
01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:55,399
a bit in Bolwu. Yeah yeah. And I was told

1273
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:57,760
that I was a monk two back in seventeenth Centraly

1274
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,079
Sicily and I had this it's come through that says,

1275
01:12:01,279 --> 01:12:13,359
remember you're a monk. You did get again? Yes? Please?

1276
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:23,479
Yeah that sounds quite spooky. Yeah it is, yeah, yeah,

1277
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,079
I mean it's it's a good job, I wasn't a

1278
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:27,760
womble in a previous life because a voice and say,

1279
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:28,960
remember you're a womble.

1280
01:12:31,399 --> 01:12:34,119
Speaker 2: If anyone's old enough to remember that corny song, I'm

1281
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:37,520
afraid so yeah, yeah, yeah, So when you heard that

1282
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:39,960
the first time? What was your thoughts when you first

1283
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:40,720
heard that come through?

1284
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: It was kind of backup of what I've been told,

1285
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:51,520
because you told all these things through the different voices

1286
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,199
and dreams I was having, and then to get this

1287
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:58,439
very simple message remember you're a monkey, it kind of

1288
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:01,640
backed it up right. Okay, Like I said, I don't

1289
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,880
really feel I haven't lived amongst life in this one,

1290
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,560
but there's obviously a connection going back.

1291
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,640
Speaker 2: Right And and like on that particular recording, was you

1292
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,720
just saying spread lyve be a message and it just came.

1293
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:20,319
Speaker 1: Without or was no, I wasn't doing anything. I was

1294
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:22,720
recording a program on Radio three and it came in

1295
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,239
the silence wow, people talking wow. So that that was

1296
01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,520
just out of silence. That's why it's kind of whispered.

1297
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:31,159
I yes, wow, Wow.

1298
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,079
Speaker 3: I wonder what the purpose was for asking you to

1299
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:36,279
remember that you were a moment.

1300
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:40,560
Speaker 1: I know that I asked that muster all the time

1301
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:44,920
that's a big question for me. I haven't come up

1302
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:49,119
with one because they they have said so many times,

1303
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:53,920
remember mm hmm. And I don't know what, but you know,

1304
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:55,920
it would have to be something to do with doing

1305
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,279
something in this life, wouldn't it. That would be it.

1306
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:02,000
But as to what that is, I don't know. If

1307
01:14:02,039 --> 01:14:05,880
there have been a few challenges with people, and I've

1308
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:11,560
wondered whether it's to do with those or even the

1309
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:14,680
fact that I can pick up these voices mm hmmm.

1310
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,199
Is in because I've had that kind of background in

1311
01:14:17,239 --> 01:14:20,119
the past. I don't know. I don't know.

1312
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,199
Speaker 6: Maybe i'd of like asking you to go back to

1313
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:25,760
your spiritual routes or find solace and something like.

1314
01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I think it now? Is in one way

1315
01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:32,359
we spoke about a in a in a break about

1316
01:14:32,359 --> 01:14:37,760
your website. We talk about the archaeological way. So she's

1317
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:42,119
springing for listeners and viewers. What do you mean by that? Okay, Well,

1318
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,239
with this, you don't need to rely upon what the

1319
01:14:46,359 --> 01:14:48,000
medium tells you. If you like, you can hear it

1320
01:14:48,079 --> 01:14:52,039
for yourself. Mm hmm. And a lot of people, more

1321
01:14:52,079 --> 01:14:56,680
than I thought, are interested in past lives reincarnation. So

1322
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,079
we can start with we'd have a conversation with to

1323
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:03,960
record it and we'd get a piece of information. The one,

1324
01:15:04,039 --> 01:15:07,600
for instance, came through and somebody said, my Sarah, she

1325
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,079
was Jewish. Pretty clear, I got I can play that

1326
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:16,000
one to you in fact if secrets here, And then

1327
01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:19,560
we had that conversation and then we followed it up

1328
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:27,760
here it is this is my Sarah, she was Jewish. Wow, yeah, yeah,

1329
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:30,680
So I haven't got the next ones on here actually,

1330
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,760
but we followed it up and we got one where

1331
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,960
help somebody shot me and we dug down, which is

1332
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,680
what I call it the dig, and we found out

1333
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:43,640
that this particular person was shot in Budapest in a

1334
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:46,800
place they're called the Republic City Park during the Second

1335
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:51,399
World War, and they were killed that they weren't killed

1336
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:54,239
by the natsist they were killed by Hungarians. I think

1337
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:58,279
they were the blue Arrow people to be Hungarian fascists.

1338
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,359
So it's that sort of digging down to get the

1339
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,560
initial bit and then talking about that initial bit, my sir,

1340
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,159
she was Jewish, and then you talk about that, you know,

1341
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:10,680
do you feel any closeness to Judaism or the Jewish

1342
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:13,479
faith or and then you go down and you get

1343
01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,119
other messages. So it is kind of like an archaeological

1344
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,159
dig where you go down, get little bits, brush them off,

1345
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:21,239
and then move on right right, So that's why I

1346
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:22,039
describe it like that.

1347
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,279
Speaker 2: And how do you make the connection between a voice

1348
01:16:26,319 --> 01:16:28,840
you hear on are recording into a person in hunger?

1349
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: It's being shot? I mean, do you get the surname

1350
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,840
to be able to trace it or something. Very rarely

1351
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,399
get surnames. Sometimes get first names, yeah, but very rarely

1352
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:42,119
get surnames. It's just a matter of sort of digging

1353
01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:45,640
down and just getting little pieces of information and putting

1354
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,319
them together. It's a bit of a detined, right it is.

1355
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 4: It is.

1356
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:52,239
Speaker 1: It's interesting to say about sur It's very rarely get surnames. Now.

1357
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,800
Andy and I, as we mentioned before, do mediumship.

1358
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,520
Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, Andy, but have you

1359
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,680
ever had any surname come through?

1360
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 3: Was it just first Yeah, but it's rare.

1361
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1362
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:07,199
Speaker 2: I got a surname when I was doing a reading

1363
01:17:07,279 --> 01:17:10,680
for someone the other day. Literally was one of the

1364
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,279
first things that she sat down. I just said, and

1365
01:17:13,399 --> 01:17:16,039
what I saw was the words in two broke broken

1366
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:21,079
down two words egg. I saw the word egg and

1367
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,359
then called.

1368
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:26,319
Speaker 1: Eggleton or something like that, And I said, does the

1369
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,840
name Eggleton, I said, I'm seeing it as Eggleton mean

1370
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,000
anything to you, And she went, oh my god, that's

1371
01:17:32,039 --> 01:17:34,079
just shiver up my spine, she said.

1372
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,159
Speaker 2: And it turns out her deceased daughter, her marriage name

1373
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,640
was Eggmonton, you see.

1374
01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: So of course I didn't know that. And I was

1375
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:47,640
thinking about it the other day, thinking, okay, that's quite

1376
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,800
amazing that they gave me this surname. Now I have

1377
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:55,560
heard the name of Eggleton before, so I was wondering

1378
01:17:56,239 --> 01:17:58,720
whether what they've done is taken a name that's the

1379
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,000
closest match possible, so the name that they want, and

1380
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:07,960
said say this and it'll be accepted, you know. Yeah,

1381
01:18:09,239 --> 01:18:13,720
because and this is what I wonder about your recordings. Yeah,

1382
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,239
I think sometimes it sounds they're just manipulating sound, and yeah,

1383
01:18:17,319 --> 01:18:19,439
we can't always get its spot on, can you? And

1384
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,399
I think, yes, that's I'm.

1385
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:28,319
Speaker 2: Like, are they maybe in a similar way to Claire

1386
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,920
audience clairvoyance, taking the names that exist in your mind place.

1387
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:39,039
Speaker 1: Names Christian names, and then somehow pushing that onto the

1388
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:43,000
tape in some way because the meddium, Yeah, I think

1389
01:18:43,039 --> 01:18:47,079
there is that, But just spoken about the Republic City Park. Now,

1390
01:18:47,159 --> 01:18:49,159
obviously I know about Buddypest, I didn't know there was

1391
01:18:49,199 --> 01:18:51,920
a Republic City Park. I had to look that up. Yeah,

1392
01:18:52,039 --> 01:18:54,319
and I'd already been told about that, so that that

1393
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:57,119
wasn't in my head, right, that was a completely new

1394
01:18:57,199 --> 01:18:57,960
piece of information.

1395
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,119
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1396
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 1: Why do you think they can only send it in

1397
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:05,479
small packets of data like a quick sentence here and there.

1398
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:12,119
I don't know. Maybe they can do I mean, I've

1399
01:19:12,119 --> 01:19:14,800
had sentences up to about twelve words the big one

1400
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:19,720
right right. That's incredible. Yeah, and maybe they can do more.

1401
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,239
Maybe it's my problem or our problem that we can't

1402
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:23,720
pick it up.

1403
01:19:25,319 --> 01:19:27,359
Speaker 6: I tend to look at it like it's just a

1404
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:31,039
telephone type thing. Is kind of You could just about

1405
01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:32,840
make out what they're saying, what the words are, but

1406
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,119
you might miss certain bits of it.

1407
01:19:35,319 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 1: That's yeah. Yeah. And it depends how it comes through

1408
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,520
as well, whether it's riding off the back of a

1409
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,640
human voice, through silence, different sounds. So I think it

1410
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,239
depends on it comes through. I picked up one out

1411
01:19:48,279 --> 01:19:50,800
of complete silence, and I have no idea what it means,

1412
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,960
and it simply says he's brought us home, He's ever

1413
01:19:56,079 --> 01:19:58,640
so tired. Now, because, as I mentioned in the first part,

1414
01:19:59,359 --> 01:20:01,359
I have sleep near I was born with no threat,

1415
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,880
so sometimes I sliw it badly. I'm very tired. I

1416
01:20:05,039 --> 01:20:06,600
was this style play this one. This is out of

1417
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,880
complete silence. He's brought us home, He's ever so tired.

1418
01:20:17,119 --> 01:20:17,239
Speaker 7: Is that?

1419
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:21,199
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah? Here I could hear he's brought his home.

1420
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:23,479
It's hard to get the second part. Okay, it's just

1421
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:33,800
give me another. Yeah, that's that's really that out of silence.

1422
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:35,079
So what I had I.

1423
01:20:35,159 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 6: Found with this weird voice intonations going, isn't it. It's

1424
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,479
it's because you think that you think the way that

1425
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,119
it would be said, it will be kind of Uh,

1426
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,479
he's brought us home, he's ever so tired.

1427
01:20:48,199 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 3: It's more like he's brought us home, he's eversode tired.

1428
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:56,399
It's a strange song, isn't it. It's it's a straight

1429
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,960
tone that comes to the vps. And I've noticed that. Yeah.

1430
01:21:00,399 --> 01:21:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost used to the Stephen Hawkin's voice synthesizer type.

1431
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,439
But they're probably not using vocal chords or something.

1432
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:10,399
Speaker 1: This is my look.

1433
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:11,359
Speaker 3: They can't be can they.

1434
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:17,159
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, So what they're doing is and This is

1435
01:21:17,359 --> 01:21:18,119
my best guess.

1436
01:21:18,319 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 2: In the same way that we can artificially modulate waveforms

1437
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:26,560
and we call it synthesized audio or something, you know,

1438
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:29,359
and we can do synthesize sounds, is that they're taking

1439
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:30,399
those wave forms.

1440
01:21:30,199 --> 01:21:35,399
Speaker 1: And somehow reframing them and remodeling them to sound like

1441
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:38,359
human voices. I think so, I think so. I mean

1442
01:21:38,399 --> 01:21:42,079
i'd go. I spoke about that one where the boy said, India,

1443
01:21:42,119 --> 01:21:44,279
the problem is your Christian. When I'd gone to India

1444
01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:47,920
and I hadn't got the spiritual experience although I'm not

1445
01:21:48,039 --> 01:21:51,319
a Christian. My culture is Christianity, isn't it. I was

1446
01:21:51,399 --> 01:21:54,640
dead and this voice came through and said, India, the

1447
01:21:54,720 --> 01:22:03,159
problem is your Christian. Did you get that one? Yeah?

1448
01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:06,279
Speaker 2: Now that almost sounds like an Indian accent as well. Yeah,

1449
01:22:06,359 --> 01:22:07,720
do you think I've never thought about it? I'm going

1450
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:08,640
to listen to that letter.

1451
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:12,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like an Indian lady's voice to me,

1452
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:16,119
but I might be wrong. Yeah where did you receive that?

1453
01:22:16,239 --> 01:22:17,720
You got that? In India? That recording?

1454
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:17,920
Speaker 4: All?

1455
01:22:18,039 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: No, No, I got it back in the UK and

1456
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:27,319
in Huddersfield and he came off that so yeah, yeah

1457
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:27,760
it did.

1458
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:30,159
Speaker 2: I almost kind of thought I could detect like an

1459
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:35,159
Indian accent, of some sort of regional Indian accent perhaps,

1460
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,640
which is interesting.

1461
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 1: Now.

1462
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: I remember there's an ITC researcher you perhaps come across

1463
01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:43,279
from in your own.

1464
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:47,640
Speaker 1: Research rad called Mark Macy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so

1465
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:51,439
he had I mean, he's quite well known in the

1466
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,920
ITC world, I guess, and that's where he received a

1467
01:22:56,039 --> 01:23:03,479
telephone call I believe from Constant rod Think is that yeah,

1468
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,520
a Latvian Latvian.

1469
01:23:08,159 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: Researcher into EVPs going back the sixties and seventies. I

1470
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:13,159
think he was initially a skeptic at first.

1471
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: Then he met another guy that did it and that

1472
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:19,119
kind of convinced him that he was on the right track,

1473
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:22,760
and he actually phoned through. This is the amazing thing.

1474
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 2: He phoned through to Mark Macy one day and said,

1475
01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:31,279
you know, hello, this is Constant Tine Roderby and he died.

1476
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 1: He said, oh, can I record you?

1477
01:23:33,039 --> 01:23:36,520
Speaker 2: And he goes yes, absolutely, And obviously it makes perfect

1478
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:39,800
sense to me that you'd get an ITC researcher from

1479
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,800
the other side who would then want to come back

1480
01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:43,079
to present day.

1481
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: IT researchers because he knows that they'll be looking out

1482
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:48,760
for him sort ofly, yes, and he left like a

1483
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:54,039
five minute conversation, which is incredible, and it is absolutely

1484
01:23:54,319 --> 01:23:57,479
crystal clear. And the weird thing that I listened to

1485
01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:00,640
when I listen back, you can, but I thought I

1486
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,039
could hear his breath as he's breathing.

1487
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:04,239
Speaker 3: That's weird.

1488
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: Yes, it's hard, you know, because one of the things

1489
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:09,800
that they said in.

1490
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 7: There was a spring morning in nineteen ninety two and

1491
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,399
I received my first telephone call from the other side

1492
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,159
from constantin RAUDEA.

1493
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:22,000
Speaker 9: Mark Macy had been preparing to conduct an ITC experiment

1494
01:24:22,119 --> 01:24:26,199
involving very low frequency radio transmissions. According to Macy, the

1495
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:29,199
caller identified himself as a rout of A and offered

1496
01:24:29,239 --> 01:24:32,800
advice regarding his experiment. He had no way to record

1497
01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,680
phone calls at the time, but he was prepared. When

1498
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:36,920
the caller rang again.

1499
01:24:39,319 --> 01:24:42,920
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll try to make it clear on this time,

1500
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:50,880
it's a the LF receiving convert Okay, you'll simply collect

1501
01:24:51,039 --> 01:24:55,359
the the alefnvert to your eight e f raksn tenna

1502
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:59,039
input and shut all the eleven TENN.

1503
01:25:00,039 --> 01:25:03,560
Speaker 9: The conversation lasted for several minutes. The caller's voice was

1504
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:06,960
clear as a bell, and his advice regarding Macy's experiment

1505
01:25:07,279 --> 01:25:09,880
was sophisticated and technically impeccable.

1506
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 4: Oh two, four or five oculars respectively. Okay, wonderful technical

1507
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:21,479
from this side.

1508
01:25:22,079 --> 01:25:26,159
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. Contently, it was the most moving

1509
01:25:26,199 --> 01:25:28,840
experience of my life. It was just very humbling and

1510
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:33,239
such an amazing experience to receive contacts from the other

1511
01:25:33,319 --> 01:25:34,439
side through a telephone.

1512
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:38,560
Speaker 2: Physical sounds is when you've got your Leslie Flint kind

1513
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:43,920
of direct voice seiance. They produce an artificial larynx with

1514
01:25:44,119 --> 01:25:48,960
ectoplasm in the sounds, and there's somehow the spirits modulate that,

1515
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:50,800
and I've always come through it.

1516
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:55,239
Speaker 1: But they say you won't hear them breathing because they

1517
01:25:55,319 --> 01:25:57,880
don't need to breathe. Yeah, you know, a very.

1518
01:25:59,399 --> 01:26:04,239
Speaker 2: No pause for breath or anything. But on this constantine

1519
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:08,319
voice you do hear. It's almost a very deep breathy boys,

1520
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:12,399
which I thought was really weird considering the circumstances.

1521
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they synthesize the sand. You can almost

1522
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,239
imagine them sitting there like with a special effects departments.

1523
01:26:19,319 --> 01:26:22,239
How we can do breath there? Can we put that on? Yeah? Yeah?

1524
01:26:22,399 --> 01:26:23,680
Shall we do the heavy breathing.

1525
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:25,560
Speaker 2: I mean, there must be loads of from to make

1526
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,399
it more real, all that have passed over that done

1527
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,680
heavy breathing down telephones in their lifetime, you know.

1528
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 6: Going back to the tannoise situation, I wonder if there's

1529
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,279
some kind of weird training school on the other side

1530
01:26:37,319 --> 01:26:40,159
where spirits can go to learn how to interact with

1531
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,600
physical human things.

1532
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 3: Because they've got to learn it from somewhere. So where

1533
01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:45,239
do they learn it from?

1534
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:46,199
Speaker 1: Hmm?

1535
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they must have the equivalent of an adult education

1536
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,199
course over there, and you get.

1537
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 1: And you can do basket weed and flower ranging, speaking

1538
01:26:55,960 --> 01:27:01,239
back to Earth through something for that one. Yeah, I

1539
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:03,840
do hope you get a certificates. Yeah, that's right.

1540
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 3: How would you keep it? Those the spirit?

1541
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: But so so we think there is then modulate in

1542
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:18,199
the sound in some way, in a sort of synthesized way.

1543
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,800
Do they do other I mean I've heard that they

1544
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,640
do sounds of sea and dogs and all sorts of

1545
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,000
I think, yeah, I mean all sorts of things. I've

1546
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,760
found voices Like one of the strangest I've got is

1547
01:27:34,399 --> 01:27:39,680
a family who they had had experiences in the house

1548
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:43,880
like poltigeaust experiences, and they were wondering what was going on,

1549
01:27:44,079 --> 01:27:47,920
and so I spoke to them. I recorded it, and

1550
01:27:48,119 --> 01:27:50,880
I'll play the little clip NAT, and there's a mother

1551
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:56,960
and a daughter talking about kind of do yourself exorcism

1552
01:27:57,039 --> 01:28:01,560
they've done for the who was doing all sorts of

1553
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,439
things in his bedroom, right, And you can hear the

1554
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:09,199
mother say, and we really pissed it off. And over

1555
01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:13,439
the top is the voice of the daughter who's sitting

1556
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:16,640
there talking at the same time as her soul voice

1557
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,840
comes over the top and she says, ah, what you've done,

1558
01:28:20,079 --> 01:28:21,680
as if to say, yeah, you have paid it off,

1559
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,920
but not in the way you think so. Agen alight,

1560
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:26,239
But don't know whether you picked this up on here,

1561
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:38,119
but let's go yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that isn't

1562
01:28:38,159 --> 01:28:40,920
really manipulating sound. I'm not sure what's happening there, but

1563
01:28:41,039 --> 01:28:43,680
somehow she got her voice because you can hear her

1564
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:47,880
talking underneath as well, and she got her voice over

1565
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:48,239
the top.

1566
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:58,399
Speaker 3: By that again, what Yeah, it's not the main.

1567
01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:01,399
Speaker 1: Talker over the top doors up to the mone roots talking.

1568
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:04,359
Speaker 3: It's bizarre.

1569
01:29:05,119 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 1: No one is aware. No one was aware that that

1570
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:13,439
was on there until you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1571
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:17,439
I was just going through it and I was looking

1572
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:20,079
at in reverse if I could pick up at the

1573
01:29:20,119 --> 01:29:22,439
time I found this, and then I just found a

1574
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:23,960
noise and I thought that's a bit odd, so I

1575
01:29:24,039 --> 01:29:27,319
put it back forward and that it was m So

1576
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:31,920
she's somehow put her for whatever reason. I mean, what

1577
01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:32,800
was the reason to do that.

1578
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:33,880
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1579
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Maybe to say, well, yeah, you have annoyed it, but

1580
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,479
you haven't annoyed it in the way you think. Yeah,

1581
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,439
I don't. Yeah, yeah.

1582
01:29:42,079 --> 01:29:47,279
Speaker 2: Now I've been reading some stuff from a French website,

1583
01:29:47,359 --> 01:29:50,600
I mean obviously have it in English for people, and

1584
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:54,920
they basically are investigating new ways of communicating with the

1585
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:58,720
spirit world. They do various experiments, like they'll set a

1586
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:03,239
medium inside a boom something like a small cabinet, and

1587
01:30:03,319 --> 01:30:07,479
they'll shine lasers across mist whilst the medium's in there,

1588
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,439
and then they take photographs. And then when they look

1589
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,079
at all these photographs, they can actually see faces sometimes

1590
01:30:13,119 --> 01:30:15,880
in the mist. And also they can sometimes.

1591
01:30:15,560 --> 01:30:18,199
Speaker 1: See words spelled out in the mist, which.

1592
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,199
Speaker 2: Is interesting because you know, the skeptics will say, oh,

1593
01:30:22,319 --> 01:30:26,640
you're you're just imagining faces and things, but now words appearing.

1594
01:30:27,159 --> 01:30:29,560
Speaker 1: But one of the messages that come through either the

1595
01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,800
channeled mediums or through a something I don't know how

1596
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:36,039
they got it through. Says that they're going to start

1597
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:39,960
taking over artificial intelligence and utilizing the power of AI.

1598
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:44,119
And one of the things that made me think about

1599
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:48,479
that today was because I was putting our tribute show

1600
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:52,640
together for Mark Hartshan. I thought I'd run it through

1601
01:30:53,319 --> 01:30:56,560
an Adobe podcast enhanser, which at the time when we

1602
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,840
originally recorded a year and a half ago, maybe two cups,

1603
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,199
I wasn't aware of they it hadn't developed it. But

1604
01:31:03,359 --> 01:31:05,119
since that time they developed it. So I thought, oh,

1605
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,960
i'll improve marks audio because he was just speaking through

1606
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,520
a normal microphone on the laptop, which wasn't that great.

1607
01:31:12,079 --> 01:31:14,760
I'll see if I can improve it by running through

1608
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:19,199
the podcast enhancer. And so I've downloaded the whole video

1609
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:23,760
of YouTube and it's running it through with our soundtrack

1610
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,479
music as well as the speech. Now I'm just interested

1611
01:31:26,520 --> 01:31:28,840
in enhancing the speech. I'm not interested in hansing, and

1612
01:31:28,920 --> 01:31:32,520
the music doesn't need to be enhanced. But by default,

1613
01:31:33,039 --> 01:31:38,640
the AI was trying to automatically enhance the music in

1614
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,720
some way. But why it was doing it was mistaking

1615
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:44,840
the music and thinking it was a human voice and

1616
01:31:45,039 --> 01:31:48,159
was trying to modulate it to sound like a spoken word.

1617
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,119
So what happened was the result was it came out

1618
01:31:51,239 --> 01:32:13,199
sounded like a person's singing our theme tune well, which

1619
01:32:13,279 --> 01:32:15,880
is a bit wish, and it's like, well that's a

1620
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:20,880
bit you know. It's it's very strange, but it was

1621
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:22,880
actually singing in tune and in time with it. And

1622
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:26,359
it's really just an AI voice. And so when I

1623
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:30,760
run out recording through AI, it'll pick up our voices,

1624
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,039
it analyzes it and reproduces them, but it strips away

1625
01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:36,279
all the reverb and clears away all that and just

1626
01:32:36,399 --> 01:32:40,760
protects for a nice, almost studio clarity recording. So I'm

1627
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:45,640
wondering a that you could perhaps try your own recordings,

1628
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,640
running it through Adobe Podcast Enhancer, uploading it to I'll

1629
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:53,000
give you links on how to do that. It's wrong

1630
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:57,079
to see if it can enhance it some, but may

1631
01:32:57,239 --> 01:32:59,039
be for future recordings.

1632
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:02,720
Speaker 2: It might be worth bearing in mind that, you know,

1633
01:33:03,399 --> 01:33:06,600
especially if the spirits presumably become aware that you're going

1634
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:10,880
to try and enhance their audio later on, they might

1635
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,640
then take steps on their side to try and improve it,

1636
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,039
or do something where you can meet in the middle,

1637
01:33:18,119 --> 01:33:19,119
so to speaks.

1638
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,399
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I just

1639
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:24,079
do the best thing at the moment. I speed it up,

1640
01:33:24,119 --> 01:33:28,079
slowly down, get rid of the background noise. But the

1641
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:32,039
technology is moving along so fast, I'm sure. Yeah, yeah,

1642
01:33:32,079 --> 01:33:35,760
a lot more. Yeah, so did you get any tips?

1643
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,840
So they give you tips on what to do or

1644
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,199
you know, like you enhance your mind in some way

1645
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:44,239
or yeah, I mean that they say at the moment,

1646
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:46,760
that's somebody or a group that want to work with me,

1647
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,439
but they can't because they have to raise my vibrations

1648
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:54,399
a little bit more. So I do transcendental meditation, so

1649
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:58,119
I'm trying to do more of that, and I'm actually

1650
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:01,159
quitting the day job the sh as well, which I

1651
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:04,079
hope will sort of you stress me a little bit more.

1652
01:34:04,640 --> 01:34:06,000
Speaker 3: What is your daga about winterest?

1653
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm a writer. I'm a business writer, so I write

1654
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:15,520
about Middle East primarily. Okay, So I'm doing all these

1655
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:18,319
things to try and make myself a little bit more chilled,

1656
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,720
I guess. Yeah, as they said, they're waiting for me

1657
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,520
to do that, and they can't work with me at

1658
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:27,880
the moment because I haven't got quite got that right.

1659
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:33,000
I don't know, these people are so do you believe

1660
01:34:33,079 --> 01:34:34,399
that in this case you are?

1661
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 2: I mean, from my understanding these things they say that

1662
01:34:37,039 --> 01:34:40,800
when you've got these ghost boxes or audio recorders and things.

1663
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:43,640
Speaker 1: Like that, you have to have a medium in the

1664
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:48,239
link for it to actually work. Do you think they're

1665
01:34:48,279 --> 01:34:50,800
all the medium in this case? Well, they've said to me,

1666
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:54,159
you're you're, you're, you're being given the clever gift of

1667
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:58,439
mediumship with their words. Right. Although I'm not a medium

1668
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,039
like you may be, I can't do that. Yeah, Well,

1669
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:04,079
in some way I can pick up the voices where

1670
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,359
other people can't. It's right.

1671
01:35:07,319 --> 01:35:10,319
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Yeah, because I mean there was a Bacelli

1672
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:16,399
which was the the Italian medium featured on Calling Earth documentary.

1673
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of him. Request you seen.

1674
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:42,760
Speaker 7: Keep stick down?

1675
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:55,079
Speaker 4: Yeah? You could.

1676
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:17,359
Speaker 5: Us piano that to tell baby keep with fine control,

1677
01:36:17,439 --> 01:36:23,640
looking too, Sam Slain, I contain the eque.

1678
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:31,560
Speaker 9: Ma m.

1679
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:43,279
Speaker 10: Marco very spoon deploy. Here is a say coop of

1680
01:36:43,359 --> 01:37:08,880
Pa not got play? Oh man, God shout your bratan

1681
01:37:09,079 --> 01:37:12,319
to co pupa to Papa conte.

1682
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:20,239
Speaker 5: Baby.

1683
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:29,079
Speaker 3: That's why.

1684
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:35,760
Speaker 5: I could the garment.

1685
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,239
Speaker 4: The boy I need you want to say two side?

1686
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,399
Speaker 3: Well, lookate the boy you said before the engine.

1687
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. I think he's passed over it again himself.

1688
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:09,199
But he lived in one of these sleepy Italian talent

1689
01:38:09,520 --> 01:38:15,279
Italian regions. Forget where it was now Tuscany. Maybe I'm

1690
01:38:15,359 --> 01:38:17,319
not one hundred percent where he lived in Italy.

1691
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:24,239
Speaker 2: But he was like a washing machine stroke radio TV

1692
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:27,640
repair man, and he had like a TV shot and

1693
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:30,079
he was a simple man by all accounts.

1694
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:33,560
Speaker 1: But somehow it must have been the spirits must have

1695
01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:35,439
lat shown to the fact he had all these gadgets

1696
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:38,159
in his in his workshop, old radios and things like that.

1697
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,399
Somehow along the thing it was discovered that he could

1698
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:46,720
bring through the voices of the villager's dead children through

1699
01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:51,279
the radio. And in this Call in Earth documentary you'll

1700
01:38:51,359 --> 01:38:54,680
see the whole village, many of the villages come to

1701
01:38:55,000 --> 01:38:57,880
like a meeting room that he's got and he switches

1702
01:38:57,960 --> 01:39:01,359
on this old wartime wireless and you can hear them

1703
01:39:01,479 --> 01:39:03,840
a lord, mama or whatever they're saying, you know, in

1704
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:08,079
their Italian dialect. And there was a scientist there on

1705
01:39:08,279 --> 01:39:10,439
one of these occasions, and they were sort of saying, okay,

1706
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:12,880
how's this working. Let's let's unplug it from the wall,

1707
01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:15,920
so they unpugged the radio, but still the voices were

1708
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,359
coming through, and so they said, okay, well let's take them.

1709
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,359
How let's take the valves out of this radio. They

1710
01:39:22,399 --> 01:39:25,720
took the valves out, and still the voices were coming

1711
01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,640
through this thing. And then again the.

1712
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: Whole idea of saying, are we just picking up local

1713
01:39:31,960 --> 01:39:36,279
broadcast it was completely ruled out because when the Skull

1714
01:39:36,399 --> 01:39:40,760
team from the village OF's Skull in Norfolk, coll Suffolk

1715
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,640
where it was Norfolk, Yeah, they they I think it's

1716
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,720
Robin Foy and his wife and he flew over and

1717
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,399
met this gentleman in Italy.

1718
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:56,159
Speaker 1: And then suddenly the voices changed to English and saying

1719
01:39:56,399 --> 01:39:59,600
is that our Skull team and they started speaking in

1720
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,000
English and it was their team from the school experiment

1721
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:05,640
suddenly came through this radio and was talking to which

1722
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:09,920
I found was absolutely fascinating. And you know, despite the

1723
01:40:09,960 --> 01:40:13,319
fact that you know, the skepticists can say what they want,

1724
01:40:13,399 --> 01:40:16,640
but there was engineers and physicists and all sorts of

1725
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:20,439
people there looking at this radio. I'm tugging it, removing things,

1726
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:22,720
and still the voices were coming through, and everyone that

1727
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:25,119
was there was convinced that they had heard the voices

1728
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:28,640
of their dead children or relatives. However, it was Zentner. Yeah,

1729
01:40:29,239 --> 01:40:31,600
he had to be present. He had to be present

1730
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,279
because he was the medium. Yes, yeah, oh I can

1731
01:40:34,359 --> 01:40:37,199
believe that. Back in the mystical experience, I was telling

1732
01:40:37,239 --> 01:40:41,079
you about finished the nine o'clock but he letting. We

1733
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,399
were walking out and into the kitchen. Beautiful music was

1734
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:48,159
coming out of the stereo and I said to my friend,

1735
01:40:48,199 --> 01:40:50,720
I said, but to that, she said, it's not turned

1736
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:53,720
on and the plug wasn't in the wall. But as

1737
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,840
soon as we said it, music disappeared. How weird, Yeah,

1738
01:40:58,199 --> 01:41:00,920
it got it caught you a guards a little better

1739
01:41:01,039 --> 01:41:04,520
one lean carters off guard. Yeah, and like I say,

1740
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:08,640
it was just beautiful music. As soon as we realized

1741
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:09,760
that it was there, it just faded.

1742
01:41:10,119 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 3: Was the style was it was?

1743
01:41:14,039 --> 01:41:16,239
Speaker 1: It was almost choral, but there were no voices. It

1744
01:41:16,359 --> 01:41:21,159
was kind of hard to describe it. Yeah, but yeah,

1745
01:41:21,279 --> 01:41:22,920
that's the close thing I get, sort of coral with

1746
01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:27,960
no words. Yeah. I've heard of these uh heavenly choral

1747
01:41:28,079 --> 01:41:30,880
voices coming through various people's.

1748
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:34,399
Speaker 2: Recordings, you know, and you're thinking, wow, this is this

1749
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:37,079
is weird stuff. I'm hearing these choral and it almost

1750
01:41:37,119 --> 01:41:40,840
sounds angelic. You know, it was almost cliche. If I

1751
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,720
have to, I was about to say that could gets

1752
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:43,840
a bit worrying, then, doesn't it.

1753
01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:48,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, to your mind, you think this is yeah, this

1754
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:51,640
is what, this is what dreams may come type stuff. Yeah.

1755
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1756
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 2: Anyone who hasn't seen that film, it's worth watching. With

1757
01:41:56,159 --> 01:41:58,680
Robin Williams where he goes to heaven for the world

1758
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:00,760
is worth watching. Anyway's quite an entertaining movie.

1759
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:04,399
Speaker 1: As any of these voices ever, kind of worried you

1760
01:42:04,720 --> 01:42:07,319
to an extent. I'm tampering with the wrong thing here.

1761
01:42:08,640 --> 01:42:10,920
A couple of times a bad things through that are

1762
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,680
I call the darkness. One in particular that I've got

1763
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,439
a little recording off here was are you aware of

1764
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,920
the exorcism of a German girl back in the seventies

1765
01:42:23,000 --> 01:42:26,760
called and Alis Michel? Very famous at the time. She

1766
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,319
died and the priest who was doing the exorism was

1767
01:42:29,399 --> 01:42:31,960
taken to court. All right, right.

1768
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:34,319
Speaker 4: Now?

1769
01:42:34,479 --> 01:42:38,239
Speaker 1: I picked up a clip on possibly YouTube, I can't

1770
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:41,600
remember played it through now. The interesting thing with this

1771
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:43,920
story is that in I think two thousand and five

1772
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:48,680
two thousand and six, Hollywood made a movie of this exorcism,

1773
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:51,439
but they changed it to an American story and it

1774
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:56,920
was the Exorcism of Emily Rose So this is like

1775
01:42:57,079 --> 01:43:02,239
thirty years after the event. Now this arding he's from

1776
01:43:02,239 --> 01:43:04,880
the nineteen seventies of the girl it was based on

1777
01:43:05,720 --> 01:43:07,399
and avoid I mean, I don't know whether you're really

1778
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,640
very well here because it's quite raw, as was the

1779
01:43:11,159 --> 01:43:14,880
front during the excism. And he says Emily rose House me.

1780
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:20,640
So it's like thirty years before they are quoting from

1781
01:43:20,640 --> 01:43:23,760
the movie to be made about it thirty years later. Wow.

1782
01:43:24,119 --> 01:43:39,920
See if you canticure, you can't hear that one so well,

1783
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:43,720
can you? When you probably need to put cans on

1784
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,840
in that and sort of listen to it. But it's

1785
01:43:47,239 --> 01:43:49,960
I've slowed it down as well, quite dramatically and on

1786
01:43:50,119 --> 01:43:53,039
the computer and clin it just says Emily rose House me,

1787
01:43:53,479 --> 01:43:59,399
and that sense Jill Stimmer. Wow. Wow, that predicts them, Yeah,

1788
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,880
predicting it was going to happen in the future. Another

1789
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:07,520
one that came out of nothing. Another person I was

1790
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,640
working with and they were getting in trouble and a

1791
01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:11,520
voice just came out of no one and said, we're

1792
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,600
preparing a disaster for her life.

1793
01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 3: Hm.

1794
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:25,399
Speaker 1: Hm, that's harder to hear, but I think I can

1795
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:29,079
hear the word designs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you probably could

1796
01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:30,279
have heard it, you know, a couple of time, A

1797
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:32,880
couple of three times come out. So yeah, there are

1798
01:44:33,039 --> 01:44:37,720
ones that are a bit creepy. But I you know,

1799
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:41,159
I mean I always say, you know, people don't die

1800
01:44:41,239 --> 01:44:45,840
and just become angels. Nah, no, go to get people

1801
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,680
over the other side. Yeah, they probably haven't got a

1802
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:50,880
lot of power, but they're still like girls in trouble.

1803
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:54,720
Mm hmm. Now is your mum still with us or

1804
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:57,840
has she passed over? She's passed Yeah, yeah, so has

1805
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:00,479
she come through any of the recordings? A couple of

1806
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:03,000
times I've heard from I had an interesting experience before

1807
01:45:03,039 --> 01:45:05,880
she died with her actual issue. She had two massive

1808
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:10,399
strokes right and it left her without the ability to

1809
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:14,560
walk to talk to Peterson. She was basically a vegetable

1810
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,600
and I used to go and visit her at the

1811
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:22,479
nursing home. And about three or four days before she died,

1812
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:24,600
I was up there, I was about to go, and

1813
01:45:24,640 --> 01:45:27,119
I knelt down in front of her to you know,

1814
01:45:27,279 --> 01:45:30,920
say goodbye and kiss her, and suddenly there was a

1815
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:34,000
clarity and she leant forward and looked at me and

1816
01:45:34,039 --> 01:45:37,960
smiled and said I love you, and then it had

1817
01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:39,920
gone again, and she moved back, sort of looking into

1818
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:44,479
the distance and didn't know what was happening. Wow. So yeah,

1819
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:46,520
I mean there are a lot of people talk about

1820
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,079
these moments of clarity, don't they?

1821
01:45:48,159 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 2: And yeah, funny enough, we were talking about that today,

1822
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:52,800
my wife and I about how when people are ill,

1823
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:56,800
they're ill, like really ill, and they're expected to be

1824
01:45:56,840 --> 01:45:58,960
a death door and then something there's like a reprieve

1825
01:45:59,079 --> 01:46:02,279
and they get what they talked to their relatives and

1826
01:46:02,399 --> 01:46:04,119
then next day they're gone.

1827
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this is a similar thing. I think it

1828
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,680
can be moments, or it could even be dazed with

1829
01:46:08,800 --> 01:46:12,479
some people. So I believe. Yeah, yeah, but she's come through.

1830
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:17,560
Messages have come through. She was a fanatical dancer. She

1831
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:21,159
loved dancing. That I had a message through that said

1832
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:26,199
Irish dances. Iris was the middle name, So little things

1833
01:46:26,319 --> 01:46:30,760
like that. Yeah. Yeah, and she's now dancing. She can die,

1834
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,520
she must be Yes, you can dance forever she was,

1835
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:33,840
didn't they?

1836
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:34,119
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1837
01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah? Interesting? So what thought tips if someone wants to

1838
01:46:38,640 --> 01:46:40,640
sort of try and do what you've done.

1839
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:46,199
Speaker 2: Recorded voices for the beginner say the self saying what

1840
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:47,840
advice would you give someone?

1841
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:51,880
Speaker 1: I would tell them to make a recording no longer

1842
01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:56,319
than a minute, and then jove through it in perhaps

1843
01:46:57,039 --> 01:47:01,279
five six seven second segments, listening forward in reverse in

1844
01:47:01,359 --> 01:47:07,319
between speech, slow the recording down, and the voices are there.

1845
01:47:07,560 --> 01:47:11,720
It's just learning to hear them. But it's something I

1846
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:15,399
believe anybody can do right just because they're there. I

1847
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,479
think we spoke about, you know, being the sort of

1848
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:23,520
medium for it, but surely we've all got that capability. Yeah, yeah,

1849
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:28,560
you know. I suspect that perhaps one should put the

1850
01:47:28,680 --> 01:47:32,920
intention out there that this is what you want to do. Yeah,

1851
01:47:33,039 --> 01:47:35,760
that intention will start to bring about results perhaps.

1852
01:47:36,039 --> 01:47:36,199
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1853
01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:38,760
Speaker 1: And I think if you accept it, if it comes through,

1854
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:42,279
you get a message and you don't say, oh it's no,

1855
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:44,920
it's nonsense. Sorry, it's a coincidence. So I think if

1856
01:47:44,960 --> 01:47:46,880
you accept it and say, okay, what else have we got,

1857
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:51,079
then it is Yeah, it can be open. So do

1858
01:47:51,159 --> 01:47:53,239
you think that someone's got to be a bit computer

1859
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,239
savvy to do this because you're talking about reversing the

1860
01:47:56,359 --> 01:47:59,039
voices and stuff. Oh, you saw how difficulty it was

1861
01:47:59,079 --> 01:48:00,760
when I first came on trying to get the microphone

1862
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,720
to work. Yeah. No, no, just just a simple piece

1863
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,000
of editing software where you can just record onto it

1864
01:48:08,119 --> 01:48:11,560
and you can do slow it down reverse he it's clean,

1865
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:11,920
it's up.

1866
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:14,159
Speaker 2: It will take a little bit of practice for some

1867
01:48:14,199 --> 01:48:16,560
people if they're not used to that software, but I

1868
01:48:16,680 --> 01:48:19,920
think within a day or two. Oh, absolutely, if the

1869
01:48:20,079 --> 01:48:24,479
experments try it. Yeah, yeah, it's quite intuitive there so so. Ibviously,

1870
01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,479
in the days when we were just used in real

1871
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:28,880
to real tape recorders all cassettes and things like that,

1872
01:48:29,399 --> 01:48:32,920
this reverse in and stuff wouldn't have been possible, would

1873
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:33,319
it really?

1874
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 7: No?

1875
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 1: No, When I started, I was doing it with a

1876
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:39,560
little recorder. But but I actually had a little cassette

1877
01:48:39,560 --> 01:48:41,840
recorder that could reverse, so I could do those two

1878
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,159
things forwards and in reverse. Right, I could slow it

1879
01:48:44,239 --> 01:48:48,479
down right now where it started. We talked about the

1880
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:51,239
TV earlier being developed as a as a medium for

1881
01:48:51,319 --> 01:48:54,439
spurs to come through, and I know that there's itc

1882
01:48:54,640 --> 01:48:58,079
people that have had captured faces of the deceased on

1883
01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:01,800
there is that an area that you might explore later on?

1884
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,119
I think yeah, I mean it's a little bit more difficult.

1885
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:08,840
I mean, another thing I'd say to people who want

1886
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:11,840
to try it is get an old analog radea right

1887
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:16,600
the forties and fifties, one that still plays white noise,

1888
01:49:16,760 --> 01:49:19,239
and you can get noises in between channels because if

1889
01:49:19,319 --> 01:49:23,319
you record that, that's a good place to pick up voices. Okay,

1890
01:49:23,720 --> 01:49:26,960
And I think with modern TVs you just don't get

1891
01:49:27,039 --> 01:49:29,640
that white noise on the screen, do you, no, Because

1892
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,960
it's all digital now. It's all digital and that's what

1893
01:49:32,079 --> 01:49:34,560
you need. So it's something I'd like to try.

1894
01:49:35,520 --> 01:49:36,600
Speaker 3: M Yeah.

1895
01:49:38,600 --> 01:49:40,039
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid.

1896
01:49:41,359 --> 01:49:43,680
Speaker 2: In the seventies when we only had three channels in

1897
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:48,680
a BBC one an ITV and we'd have to manually

1898
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:53,880
twiddle the dial to get the channel if it's a

1899
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:56,079
really old TV, or you could press a button it

1900
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:58,199
had come up. But even then you could tune the

1901
01:49:58,279 --> 01:50:02,079
channels out a bit and fine tune them. But sometimes

1902
01:50:02,319 --> 01:50:06,720
in certain areas they actually called it ghosting, which is

1903
01:50:06,760 --> 01:50:09,920
a weird name to call it the engineer ghost. You

1904
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:13,520
would pick up a stray broadcast from another TV region

1905
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:17,880
if the weather was stormy or something, and it would

1906
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:21,159
affect the analog signals in some way, and so you

1907
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:26,479
could be watching your favorite kids show and some other

1908
01:50:26,560 --> 01:50:29,119
broadcast would sort of leak into the picture now and

1909
01:50:29,560 --> 01:50:31,560
then drift out, and you could hear it fading in

1910
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:35,000
and faded out, and they're sometimes put an apology caption

1911
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:37,520
up saying sorry about this and ghost in effect, and

1912
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:42,079
it was clear after a while, which I was fascinated with.

1913
01:50:42,319 --> 01:50:45,960
But that takes us back to that interruption of that broadcast,

1914
01:50:46,119 --> 01:50:47,960
which I think was on Southern television.

1915
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm not you're right, yeah, yeah, which was I know Ben,

1916
01:50:53,039 --> 01:50:56,159
our friend has talked about it quite a lot, and

1917
01:50:57,079 --> 01:50:58,079
I think they almost did it.

1918
01:51:00,079 --> 01:51:03,640
Speaker 7: Who represent.

1919
01:51:06,319 --> 01:51:14,640
Speaker 1: Speaking we speak.

1920
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:18,079
Speaker 3: Done wunting.

1921
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:18,880
Speaker 1: Our brothers and.

1922
01:51:18,960 --> 01:51:24,479
Speaker 2: Sisters almost did something like this on not the nine

1923
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:28,279
o'clock news with Ron Atkinson doing a sketch of something

1924
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:31,920
similar where he was some alien taking over the channel

1925
01:51:32,359 --> 01:51:35,039
and talking through a voice to communicator that translated his

1926
01:51:35,159 --> 01:51:37,119
voice and it would go wrong or something. But this

1927
01:51:37,319 --> 01:51:41,800
original broadcast in nineteen seventy seven on Southern Television was

1928
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,159
a I think it was a news program. Then it

1929
01:51:44,279 --> 01:51:48,840
was interrupted for about eight minutes by this stray broadcast

1930
01:51:49,119 --> 01:51:52,760
of this aliens I would say alien it was. It

1931
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:55,439
was an English speaking voice, but it had a bit

1932
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:57,960
of a doctor who kind of affected it or something,

1933
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:02,399
and it says, we were interrupting you this broadcast. I mean,

1934
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,800
I'm going to try and find it and maybe insert

1935
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,119
it into our program because it's worth listening to. But

1936
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:09,920
it talks about the state of the planet and things

1937
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,319
like that, and even to this day, no one knows

1938
01:52:13,880 --> 01:52:16,600
where that happened and how it happened, and how they

1939
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:19,880
hijacked the signal, which is very interesting because you'd think

1940
01:52:20,039 --> 01:52:21,720
someone would have owned up to this day, oh that

1941
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:25,239
was me, But no one's come forward, so it's very weird.

1942
01:52:25,800 --> 01:52:29,520
But why What my question would be is why does

1943
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:33,520
keep it to a localized area of maybe thirty or

1944
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:34,760
forty thousand viewers.

1945
01:52:35,560 --> 01:52:38,279
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't have the strength of the signal. It

1946
01:52:38,439 --> 01:52:39,039
suggests that.

1947
01:52:39,159 --> 01:52:42,079
Speaker 2: You know, whoever's doing it had some sort of radio

1948
01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,479
signal that would only stretch to certain capacity and hijack

1949
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,560
the TV and submission or something like that.

1950
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,239
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think it's a real alien or

1951
01:52:52,279 --> 01:52:55,680
do you think it's someone just hijacking the signal? Ooh,

1952
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,199
it's one of the jurors answer is there that?

1953
01:53:00,319 --> 01:53:00,600
Speaker 3: I think?

1954
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:04,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think it is. I wouldn't say

1955
01:53:04,560 --> 01:53:07,640
for certain it wasn't and he would have been much

1956
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:09,760
more difficulty in those day to do that kind of thing,

1957
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:13,159
wouldn't it. Well, we're all doing yeah, with all the

1958
01:53:13,239 --> 01:53:16,399
tech nowadays, you can you know, you can't believe a photograph,

1959
01:53:16,439 --> 01:53:20,920
can you No? But back then it would have been

1960
01:53:21,000 --> 01:53:22,880
much much harder to do that kind of thing. So

1961
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:26,880
maybe something was happening. I hadn't. I don't know that

1962
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,600
much about the UF voting. I'm quite interested on what,

1963
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:32,079
you know, programs that are on and I've only ever

1964
01:53:32,159 --> 01:53:35,359
had one message come through that saying to that, and

1965
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:40,399
it simply said, scam the cosmos. It's out there, and

1966
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:43,159
that was it. It's like, okay, can you give me

1967
01:53:43,239 --> 01:53:46,600
another clue? But I've never got anything else. There was

1968
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:48,319
that follow up. I tried to follow up, and they

1969
01:53:48,359 --> 01:53:49,319
didn't give me a follow up.

1970
01:53:50,399 --> 01:53:51,600
Speaker 3: A slightly different different though.

1971
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 6: If you both heard about the woodpecker signal, you were

1972
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,640
of the woodpecker signal that what's up?

1973
01:53:58,079 --> 01:53:58,680
Speaker 3: Have you heard of that?

1974
01:53:58,760 --> 01:53:58,960
Speaker 7: Now?

1975
01:53:59,600 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 10: No?

1976
01:54:00,119 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 3: No, So I've actually heard this. It's really bizarre.

1977
01:54:04,119 --> 01:54:07,680
Speaker 6: So this is going back quite a few years. People

1978
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:11,319
noticed that when they tuned into their normal analogue radio

1979
01:54:11,720 --> 01:54:14,920
that there's this weird kind of like bird noises and

1980
01:54:15,159 --> 01:54:18,479
almost like this this Woodpecker kind of like pecking away.

1981
01:54:19,239 --> 01:54:20,600
Speaker 3: And it turns out it was.

1982
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,159
Speaker 6: It seemed to be some kind of Soviet code or

1983
01:54:24,279 --> 01:54:27,760
Russian code for agents to get information from the UK

1984
01:54:28,279 --> 01:54:30,039
to Russia, but doing it in a way that we

1985
01:54:30,119 --> 01:54:33,479
wouldn't understand what the hell is going on? And I

1986
01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:36,720
have actually back when I had a high five that

1987
01:54:36,960 --> 01:54:40,840
was actually tunable, I could actually hear it, and I

1988
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:44,560
spent ages listening to this wondering what the hell it was.

1989
01:54:45,279 --> 01:54:47,560
I thought it was kind of like the test frequency

1990
01:54:48,279 --> 01:54:50,479
of like a radio station about to be put on air,

1991
01:54:50,520 --> 01:54:55,399
and there were testing you know, transmissibility. That's a word.

1992
01:54:56,399 --> 01:55:01,479
But if you if you google the Woodpecker signal, you'll

1993
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,520
find it out. It's about Russian agents and and the

1994
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:06,960
KGV and and that kind of thing allegedly.

1995
01:55:08,279 --> 01:55:10,119
Speaker 1: Interesting interesting, which.

1996
01:55:10,039 --> 01:55:13,119
Speaker 6: Is a bit a bit of an aside from the paranormal. However,

1997
01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:16,000
what I would say is that the Russians were actually

1998
01:55:16,079 --> 01:55:19,319
looking into working with the paranormal, and the Russians were

1999
01:55:19,399 --> 01:55:23,239
actually trying to see the sud Bazaar. They were trying

2000
01:55:23,279 --> 01:55:26,399
to uh get hold of and put a leash on

2001
01:55:26,479 --> 01:55:29,640
the powers of poltergeist activity to see if they can

2002
01:55:29,720 --> 01:55:30,880
make it work for them.

2003
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:33,239
Speaker 3: So for instance, if you could control the.

2004
01:55:33,279 --> 01:55:36,159
Speaker 6: Poltergeist, you could go over and you know, cause havocon

2005
01:55:36,399 --> 01:55:38,239
with the enemy, or you could get it to remote

2006
01:55:38,319 --> 01:55:41,520
view you know, enemy documents and stuff like that. So

2007
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:43,680
from what I understand, they did get a lot of

2008
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:47,439
weird activity in things, but it became completely uncontrollable, so

2009
01:55:47,560 --> 01:55:48,720
they completely shelved it.

2010
01:55:49,439 --> 01:55:53,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, or did they? I mean yeah, I mean I

2011
01:55:53,800 --> 01:55:57,680
know the the US Navy in San Diego were doing

2012
01:55:58,319 --> 01:56:01,039
a lot of investigations and experiments basically what I do.

2013
01:56:02,159 --> 01:56:03,760
And they came to the end of a period I

2014
01:56:03,800 --> 01:56:05,319
don't know it was eighteen months, and they came out

2015
01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:08,199
and says nothing in it. And I'm sitting there thinking, well,

2016
01:56:08,239 --> 01:56:11,159
if little old me can do it, you know, in

2017
01:56:11,239 --> 01:56:14,680
a little in stafford Tura as it was at the time,

2018
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:19,319
I'm sure with all your take you can do it. Yeah,

2019
01:56:19,720 --> 01:56:23,800
lying that you know that the stuff there, Yeah, absolutely,

2020
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:29,640
because they have I mean, they've had people like but

2021
01:56:29,800 --> 01:56:32,000
they call these people gosh, the word's gone from me.

2022
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:38,199
He wrote the bird, the book Penetration where they remote

2023
01:56:38,279 --> 01:56:42,800
view and that kind of thing, and the you know,

2024
01:56:43,000 --> 01:56:48,079
they they're their experimenting with people remote viewing into Russian bases,

2025
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:51,319
naval bases wherever it may be. For the United say,

2026
01:56:51,319 --> 01:56:52,960
some probably the Russians were doing the same sort of thing.

2027
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,359
So they know there's some sort of psychics out there

2028
01:56:56,439 --> 01:56:58,279
that can do stuff, and they've tried to harness some

2029
01:56:58,399 --> 01:57:02,159
other they they hand and I'm sure you know, they

2030
01:57:02,279 --> 01:57:04,039
keep their ears to the ground, so to speak, and

2031
01:57:04,119 --> 01:57:08,359
they will definitely know that people have made reports and

2032
01:57:08,399 --> 01:57:11,239
they're certainly websites like yourself and other people that talk

2033
01:57:11,279 --> 01:57:15,159
about you know, voices of the dead being recorded on radio,

2034
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,359
and so they must think, okay, let's look into this.

2035
01:57:18,479 --> 01:57:21,039
They've got to. They can't just ignore him. But then

2036
01:57:21,039 --> 01:57:21,640
it doesn't happen.

2037
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:25,640
Speaker 2: They they're curiosity would be beyond the measure, and like

2038
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:28,680
they say, they've got the gazillion dollars to do it,

2039
01:57:29,079 --> 01:57:29,239
you know.

2040
01:57:29,319 --> 01:57:35,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, definitely one. And it's like it's like

2041
01:57:35,159 --> 01:57:37,720
the film Stranger Things where they've got these well TV

2042
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,640
zero Stranger Things on on on Netflix, where they've got

2043
01:57:40,640 --> 01:57:45,479
these American secret laboratories with kids you know, didn't mind

2044
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:47,880
over that stuff, and well that, guys, I'm sure those

2045
01:57:48,079 --> 01:57:53,159
bases and secret labs exist. I mean, on the face

2046
01:57:53,439 --> 01:57:56,840
You've got these people now that are getting funded by

2047
01:57:56,960 --> 01:58:01,359
universities too looking to record you know, people getting vocals

2048
01:58:01,399 --> 01:58:05,840
from the dead. There's actually legitimate fundings where over a

2049
01:58:05,960 --> 01:58:08,439
period of four years they're going to analyze all these people,

2050
01:58:09,159 --> 01:58:12,159
give them questionnaires. What did you hear, do you have recordings?

2051
01:58:12,279 --> 01:58:15,760
Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, Because it's become a

2052
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:17,000
real phenomenon, and.

2053
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,600
Speaker 2: I did in some of my research, and I can't

2054
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:25,680
validate it, but I remember hearing something from someone saying

2055
01:58:25,720 --> 01:58:31,520
that when they would developing MRI scanners that something about

2056
01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:36,000
the spirit world or something was hijacking them in some

2057
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:39,760
way to get their voices to come through the machine,

2058
01:58:40,119 --> 01:58:43,720
or in some way they were using the MRI technology

2059
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:47,319
to get their images shown up on the scanners. I'm

2060
01:58:47,319 --> 01:58:48,960
not quite sure, but it was something to do with

2061
01:58:49,079 --> 01:58:52,600
that MRI scanning technology that supposedly spirit.

2062
01:58:52,399 --> 01:58:54,960
Speaker 1: Voices were leaking into it or images were leaking into

2063
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:58,039
it somewhere. I don't know whether they put anti spirit

2064
01:58:58,119 --> 01:59:03,119
filter on it to stop it appening, you know. I mean,

2065
01:59:03,279 --> 01:59:05,119
when you look at all the different ways they do

2066
01:59:05,359 --> 01:59:09,560
try to get in touch, they obviously want us to know. However,

2067
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:12,720
is this argument. Isn't there that if we didn't know

2068
01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:16,439
for a fact that we all die and go somewhere else,

2069
01:59:16,880 --> 01:59:20,119
that there would be chaos down here and somebody would

2070
01:59:20,359 --> 01:59:22,520
something bad would happen, and somebody would go and jump

2071
01:59:22,560 --> 01:59:26,640
off a bridge because they're going somewhere else. So it

2072
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,720
seems sort of sensible, really this, and easier we get

2073
01:59:29,760 --> 01:59:31,560
when we're born. It's there for a reason, isn't it.

2074
01:59:32,399 --> 01:59:34,079
It seems to be there for a reason. But then

2075
01:59:34,119 --> 01:59:40,239
why do they keep knocking on the hello Hello? I know, hey, Yeah,

2076
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:43,640
it's two sides of the coin, because they say they

2077
01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:46,039
want people to be aware of the spirit world, but

2078
01:59:46,199 --> 01:59:48,119
at the same time they still want us to tread

2079
01:59:48,199 --> 01:59:52,560
this path because it's yes, our educational learning or wherever

2080
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:57,760
it's supposed to me. I also wonder whether the powers

2081
01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:01,199
that be the establishment are aware that there are spiritual

2082
02:00:01,279 --> 02:00:04,520
dimensions beyond this one that communicate with us. And they

2083
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:08,840
have proved themselves, possibly in some secret lab, that people

2084
02:00:08,920 --> 02:00:11,960
do come back from the dead. They have used mediums

2085
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,199
and paid them loads of money cash free or tax

2086
02:00:14,279 --> 02:00:16,800
free or something to do their salances for them, whatever

2087
02:00:16,840 --> 02:00:19,760
it could be, and they probably proved beyond a shadow

2088
02:00:19,800 --> 02:00:23,640
about that people do survive the grave, but they can't

2089
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:26,920
really announce that to the world at large because that

2090
02:00:27,079 --> 02:00:30,479
gets a whole heap of problems. And the reason being

2091
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:32,800
is that if there's, for a instance, and I just

2092
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:36,399
use one example, you know, you've got a secret government

2093
02:00:36,479 --> 02:00:40,960
agency that's bumped off someone someone shot Kennedy or whatever

2094
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,239
it may have been. It wasn't Oswald or.

2095
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:47,960
Speaker 2: And Kennedy's going to come back through a medium or

2096
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:51,399
through a telephone or something and say, yeah, it was

2097
02:00:51,479 --> 02:00:55,319
actually you know it was so and so that arranged

2098
02:00:55,359 --> 02:00:57,720
from my demise or wherever it may have been. That

2099
02:00:58,359 --> 02:01:00,960
they don't want you to know because it opens up

2100
02:01:00,960 --> 02:01:01,960
a whole can of ons them.

2101
02:01:02,319 --> 02:01:04,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. And as we were talking earlier about the determinism,

2102
02:01:05,239 --> 02:01:08,319
are things scripted? Yeah, so that couldn't be allowed to

2103
02:01:08,399 --> 02:01:13,439
come back and change that. Yeah, confused and rent it.

2104
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:17,239
Speaker 6: I tell you what I've heard. When people get heat,

2105
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:21,119
and what I mean by heat is when they get followed,

2106
02:01:21,159 --> 02:01:24,119
when they get the black helicopters, when they get weird

2107
02:01:24,199 --> 02:01:28,439
phone calls, and when they get weird, strange, screwed up

2108
02:01:28,520 --> 02:01:32,640
things happening in their lives. When people start dabbling in

2109
02:01:33,039 --> 02:01:37,600
remote viewing, when people start doubling remote viewing. From what

2110
02:01:37,720 --> 02:01:40,479
I've heard, that's when you get a little bit heat,

2111
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:45,159
not just from kind of like spirits stroke, alien stroke, whatever,

2112
02:01:45,800 --> 02:01:48,800
but when you get actual physical stuff like helicopters and

2113
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:51,359
phone calls and black cars and men in black and

2114
02:01:51,399 --> 02:01:55,119
all that kind of thing. And I can kind of

2115
02:01:55,199 --> 02:01:58,720
see why because if you are a government agency and

2116
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,640
you have got senseive documents and things that you don't

2117
02:02:01,680 --> 02:02:04,720
want people to see or know about or technologies, the

2118
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:07,760
last thing you want is remote viewers who are not

2119
02:02:07,880 --> 02:02:10,520
funded by the government, who are just brogue loose cannons

2120
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:13,119
coming along and having a look at what's what's in

2121
02:02:13,239 --> 02:02:17,039
your big area fifty one shed basically.

2122
02:02:19,479 --> 02:02:22,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember years ago, I mean men in

2123
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:23,840
black there was a lung report.

2124
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 3: Are they still about yeah?

2125
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:29,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, still game to be employed, I think, yeah, yeah,

2126
02:02:29,359 --> 02:02:33,039
they still look the same, They're still the so okay.

2127
02:02:33,199 --> 02:02:37,359
Speaker 6: So there's there's different variations. I've heard about women women

2128
02:02:37,439 --> 02:02:39,760
in black as well. I've heard a report on that

2129
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:42,920
for some reason, they still go for the thedora and

2130
02:02:43,000 --> 02:02:46,279
the and the black taups are that I don't know why.

2131
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:49,520
I don't know why this is a thing for hey ho.

2132
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:54,399
But yeah, then mixed with that, you've got reports that

2133
02:02:54,479 --> 02:02:57,840
they've got black eyes, completely black eyes, and they always

2134
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,840
they're always kind of uncomfortable in this skin, like they

2135
02:03:00,920 --> 02:03:03,239
don't really feel that they should kind of be in

2136
02:03:03,319 --> 02:03:04,680
that skin kind of feeling.

2137
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:07,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's a thing. It's a thing.

2138
02:03:08,439 --> 02:03:09,000
Speaker 1: It's interesting.

2139
02:03:09,079 --> 02:03:10,760
Speaker 2: You never see these men in black pull up at

2140
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:13,399
petrol stations do it to top up their tangle?

2141
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:15,640
Speaker 1: Does everyone look?

2142
02:03:15,720 --> 02:03:20,800
Speaker 2: And then those guys, you know, we don't seem taking

2143
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,279
their their their suits the dry cleaners or something.

2144
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:26,600
Speaker 3: Do you see the mentoring hotels?

2145
02:03:26,960 --> 02:03:29,119
Speaker 1: So it had been caught on a CCT.

2146
02:03:29,520 --> 02:03:32,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me show you this. Yeah, so I found

2147
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:32,880
the woodpecker thing.

2148
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:35,680
Speaker 6: If you have a look at chat Neil and in

2149
02:03:36,479 --> 02:03:38,600
the quick chat you'll see the woodpecker signal.

2150
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:41,840
Speaker 3: I found that. I'm going to quickly find the hotel

2151
02:03:41,920 --> 02:03:45,560
men in black. So this is allegedly there we are,

2152
02:03:45,720 --> 02:03:47,560
here we go, let's bring it this week.

2153
02:03:47,560 --> 02:03:51,319
Speaker 6: I'm by skinning, So I'm gonna i'll put this in

2154
02:03:51,439 --> 02:03:53,560
for later because there's there's a bit of audio of

2155
02:03:53,720 --> 02:03:55,680
someone else that's that's talking over it.

2156
02:03:57,279 --> 02:03:57,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna mute it.

2157
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:58,239
Speaker 4: My end.

2158
02:03:58,279 --> 02:04:00,520
Speaker 6: Actually, I'm just going to quickly go through it. But yeah,

2159
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:03,199
we have got I'm just going to kind of go

2160
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,560
forward until we get to the main bit. There we

2161
02:04:05,640 --> 02:04:12,760
go the hotel, there's these two very shady guys and

2162
02:04:12,920 --> 02:04:21,239
they kind of walk through and yeah, yeah, and it's

2163
02:04:21,279 --> 02:04:25,439
caught on CCTV and the report is they just I'm

2164
02:04:25,479 --> 02:04:27,520
looking at it now. They look exactly like many black

2165
02:04:27,640 --> 02:04:31,640
They've got the door hats, they've got black suits, they've

2166
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:33,600
got the white shirts and the tires and it just

2167
02:04:33,640 --> 02:04:38,399
looked very, very odd. And there was a strange interaction

2168
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:41,600
between the hotel receptionist and these these guys. And I

2169
02:04:41,720 --> 02:04:44,399
think from memory, i'd have to watch the whole thing.

2170
02:04:44,399 --> 02:04:46,960
I think from memory they kind of disappeared and then

2171
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:48,960
they're kind of like they couldn't find them again, and

2172
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:53,000
it was it was just it was an odd occurrence occurrent.

2173
02:04:54,279 --> 02:04:57,000
Speaker 2: I think men in black were occurring to the time

2174
02:04:57,079 --> 02:05:01,479
of the Mothman prophecies, and John Kill wrote about that.

2175
02:05:02,000 --> 02:05:04,399
And John Kill, who was the main investigator of the

2176
02:05:04,439 --> 02:05:09,119
Mothman prophecies, was also receiving mysterious phone calls and it

2177
02:05:09,279 --> 02:05:11,760
sounded like an electronic voice. It didn't seem to be

2178
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:14,479
a humor voice, but it was telling him things like predictions,

2179
02:05:14,600 --> 02:05:17,840
you can't go back to Point Pleasant, something bad is

2180
02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:20,279
going to happen there, et cetera, et cetera. And he

2181
02:05:20,359 --> 02:05:22,199
was warning him and he wasn't really sure what the

2182
02:05:22,279 --> 02:05:24,079
warning was about, but he knew that you shouldn't go

2183
02:05:24,199 --> 02:05:25,199
back to Point Pleasant.

2184
02:05:25,640 --> 02:05:28,560
Speaker 1: And then oh, yeah, I can see it now, yeah.

2185
02:05:28,520 --> 02:05:29,079
Speaker 3: Pre.

2186
02:05:30,439 --> 02:05:34,800
Speaker 6: Screenshots, So if you ever look at that. Yeah, but Neil,

2187
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:37,239
you said, you said about the electronic voice again, you know,

2188
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:40,279
this metallic, staticy electronic voice.

2189
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:43,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2190
02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:45,720
Speaker 2: So this this voice was coming through to and this

2191
02:05:45,880 --> 02:05:48,640
was in the sixties, you know, you know, so it

2192
02:05:48,760 --> 02:05:51,680
was coming through the telephone of the landline obviously they

2193
02:05:51,680 --> 02:05:53,960
didn't have mobiles there, and it comes through through a

2194
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:58,359
hotel telephone to John Kill. But he's telling him not

2195
02:05:58,439 --> 02:06:00,760
to go back to Point Pleasant. And it was I

2196
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:03,560
think it's in nineteen sixty seven that what they call

2197
02:06:03,640 --> 02:06:06,720
the Silver Bridge, which is a connects Point Pleasant to

2198
02:06:06,760 --> 02:06:10,720
the rest of the towns, and things collapsed on fifteenth

2199
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:15,159
of December with a load of Christmas traffic on there,

2200
02:06:15,239 --> 02:06:19,960
you know, and someone had dreams of presents floating in

2201
02:06:20,039 --> 02:06:23,640
the river prophetic dream because presents worth floating in the

2202
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:27,359
river are Yeah, I think somewhere around like forty eight

2203
02:06:27,479 --> 02:06:29,680
forty nine people died in it and things, and so

2204
02:06:30,239 --> 02:06:33,600
this is obviously what was connected to the prophecies, that

2205
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:36,920
this mysterious voice was telling him don't go back because

2206
02:06:36,960 --> 02:06:38,600
something's going to happen. But they didn't want it to

2207
02:06:38,760 --> 02:06:39,840
think what you see?

2208
02:06:40,039 --> 02:06:44,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, could that voice? I don't know.

2209
02:06:45,159 --> 02:06:47,680
I had a warning years ago, just before the seven

2210
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:52,199
seven attacks in London, right, and it simply said, murder

2211
02:06:52,279 --> 02:06:57,680
in London on Saturday. Really well, you think why I

2212
02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:00,399
tell you that? Because you can't do anthing better? Becausually

2213
02:07:00,479 --> 02:07:02,079
didn't know what that was. It could have been a

2214
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:05,640
single murder, It could have been anything on that Saturday,

2215
02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:07,079
it was this seventh attacks.

2216
02:07:07,439 --> 02:07:09,840
Speaker 6: Wow, there's a friend of mine and I know this

2217
02:07:09,920 --> 02:07:12,319
is Atal, a friend of mine who had a similar dream.

2218
02:07:12,359 --> 02:07:14,920
Actually her dream, she was a psychic. I met her

2219
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:19,159
on a kind of like a psychic kind of check

2220
02:07:19,439 --> 02:07:22,399
check room type thing and became friends with her. And

2221
02:07:22,439 --> 02:07:25,720
she's Scottish and yeah, she was a wonderful lady. I've

2222
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:29,359
kind of lost contact a little bit, but her experience

2223
02:07:29,680 --> 02:07:32,319
was that she was sat down in a dream. This

2224
02:07:32,439 --> 02:07:35,239
was in a dream, and she was pleading and trying

2225
02:07:35,279 --> 02:07:37,479
to convince a terrorist that was going to commit a

2226
02:07:37,600 --> 02:07:41,039
terrorist act not to do it in London. And she

2227
02:07:41,159 --> 02:07:43,079
had this dream and she's saying, please don't do it,

2228
02:07:43,119 --> 02:07:45,800
and he wasn't listening, and he was he was helpent

2229
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:49,920
on actually doing it. And I remember her kind of

2230
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,640
like talking about this dream. And then seven to seven

2231
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:56,279
happened and it was and it was free key, very freek.

2232
02:07:57,000 --> 02:08:03,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was nearly arrested Heathrow Airport. Really yeah, well,

2233
02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:05,640
what it was. It was about a week after the

2234
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:09,159
seven seven bombings. At the time, I lived in the

2235
02:08:09,359 --> 02:08:12,399
Orkney Islands off the north coast of Scotland, but I'd

2236
02:08:12,439 --> 02:08:17,319
been doing some work from satellite TV company near Heathrow

2237
02:08:17,960 --> 02:08:21,720
and so then I'd done a sort of that's right.

2238
02:08:21,960 --> 02:08:24,840
Speaker 2: I decided that I'd go to Heathrow Airport the night

2239
02:08:24,920 --> 02:08:27,359
before my early flight out because it was just going

2240
02:08:27,439 --> 02:08:28,760
to be a hassle trying to get there early in

2241
02:08:28,800 --> 02:08:29,079
the morning.

2242
02:08:29,159 --> 02:08:30,039
Speaker 1: So I thought, what I'll do.

2243
02:08:30,119 --> 02:08:33,239
Speaker 2: I was good to Heathrow Airport, find a place to

2244
02:08:33,319 --> 02:08:36,159
sit for the night, take the sketch pad out and

2245
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:40,039
I started sketching because I do artwork, and I took

2246
02:08:40,079 --> 02:08:42,239
a photo of myself for my kids to say, here's

2247
02:08:42,319 --> 02:08:46,880
Daddy at the airport. Now, what I hadn't realized was

2248
02:08:46,920 --> 02:08:49,359
that because when I first arrived at the terminal builds,

2249
02:08:49,399 --> 02:08:51,239
I came through it and every seat was taken up.

2250
02:08:51,279 --> 02:08:53,199
So I walked all the way through the terminal building

2251
02:08:53,479 --> 02:08:56,920
and found a seat at the far end somewhere. Now

2252
02:08:57,239 --> 02:08:59,119
I sat down there and started taking pitch. And now

2253
02:08:59,119 --> 02:09:02,399
I saw these policeman walking around with guns and everything

2254
02:09:02,479 --> 02:09:05,239
like that, but all securities at the time. But this

2255
02:09:05,399 --> 02:09:07,760
girl started to look at me that evening. It was

2256
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:09,680
about eleven o'clock at night, and I thought, why is

2257
02:09:09,680 --> 02:09:11,720
she looking at me? And she got our walk around

2258
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:15,359
and sat down. And anyway, after about twenty minutes, this

2259
02:09:15,880 --> 02:09:18,039
policeman came up to me with a gun and thought,

2260
02:09:18,359 --> 02:09:21,800
criichi And he leant over and he goes, excuse me.

2261
02:09:22,399 --> 02:09:25,560
He says, where are you flying to? And I said, oh,

2262
02:09:25,760 --> 02:09:28,640
the Orkney Islands and he goes, Orkney, where's that? I

2263
02:09:31,880 --> 02:09:33,680
don't know where Orchy is so I said where. It's

2264
02:09:33,720 --> 02:09:35,800
a group of islands off the coast of Scotland and

2265
02:09:35,920 --> 02:09:38,119
he goes, oh, can you show me? So I had

2266
02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:40,079
to put everything down and get my slight piece of

2267
02:09:40,119 --> 02:09:41,960
paper and show and my booked flight and a piece

2268
02:09:41,960 --> 02:09:42,279
of paper.

2269
02:09:42,279 --> 02:09:45,079
Speaker 1: There it is, you know, and he goes, oh, okay.

2270
02:09:45,239 --> 02:09:48,680
He goes, what's that pendant you're wearing around your neck?

2271
02:09:49,560 --> 02:09:50,960
And what it was?

2272
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:54,560
Speaker 2: It all came together afterwards that he said, oh, I said,

2273
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:57,199
oh this I am going now he said it's a

2274
02:09:57,279 --> 02:09:59,279
pentagram and he goes, oh, what.

2275
02:09:59,520 --> 02:10:02,920
Speaker 1: Faith is that? I said, well, pagans were I guess,

2276
02:10:03,039 --> 02:10:06,159
you know, because it's just so we thought it was

2277
02:10:06,199 --> 02:10:13,560
a fake star of David. So it turned out that

2278
02:10:13,720 --> 02:10:18,399
where I was sitting was the El Al, the Israeli airline,

2279
02:10:18,439 --> 02:10:23,319
our checking area, and the lady that looked at me,

2280
02:10:23,600 --> 02:10:26,760
she was part of their security team posing as a

2281
02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:29,800
member of the public, and so she had seen me

2282
02:10:30,159 --> 02:10:32,800
with what she termally is a fake star of David

2283
02:10:33,399 --> 02:10:36,439
and I was going to be some fake Jewish terrorist

2284
02:10:36,680 --> 02:10:39,960
or something getting on their planes. So she tipped off

2285
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:43,640
the policeman. Everyone was on hire, alert and nervous, and

2286
02:10:43,960 --> 02:10:45,760
I was number one suspect for the day.

2287
02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:47,840
Speaker 6: You know, It's it's the biggest belief. How for some

2288
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,000
people could be that stupid. I'm sorry, but it's just like.

2289
02:10:53,079 --> 02:10:59,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, a security lady and a policeman, you know, and

2290
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:05,399
has never pentagram. Yeah yeah, yeah, So but there we go.

2291
02:11:05,880 --> 02:11:08,760
So yeah, just thinking, I don't I don't think my

2292
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:10,800
warning was the seven seven one. It was the one

2293
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:15,640
where the people were hit on Westminster Bridge. It was

2294
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:18,920
now one. Yeah, right, But a.

2295
02:11:18,960 --> 02:11:21,000
Speaker 2: Lot of these things have happened. I mean, it's supposedly

2296
02:11:21,039 --> 02:11:23,279
getting back to the moth Man. Someone supposedly sighted a

2297
02:11:23,359 --> 02:11:27,479
mothman around the twin to hours just before they came down.

2298
02:11:28,960 --> 02:11:29,199
Speaker 5: Of it.

2299
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:32,520
Speaker 2: Whether whether it's a genuine or it's been photoshoped, I

2300
02:11:32,600 --> 02:11:35,000
can't say. I don't know, but gim make sure wonder

2301
02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:36,600
these people find these things in hindsight.

2302
02:11:36,600 --> 02:11:41,119
Speaker 1: I don't know old this, you know. But finally, Rob,

2303
02:11:41,159 --> 02:11:42,840
we're coming to the end of the show now it's

2304
02:11:42,880 --> 02:11:47,000
gone really quickly. And what's your plans for the future

2305
02:11:47,039 --> 02:11:51,079
as far as you're recording voices and things concerned. Well,

2306
02:11:51,479 --> 02:11:53,800
as I say, I'm sort of retiring from the day job,

2307
02:11:53,880 --> 02:11:55,560
so I want to take it forward and do more

2308
02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:59,800
of it. What I've found is that it's really helpful

2309
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:04,199
for people, people who are buried, but also there's an

2310
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:07,880
awful other people out there terrified of death. It goes

2311
02:12:07,960 --> 02:12:11,840
beyond just a fear, and I have helped a number

2312
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:14,920
of people to sort of get over that, right, and

2313
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:17,000
it's a good feeling. It's a nice thing to do,

2314
02:12:17,239 --> 02:12:20,359
as opposed to writing about Saudi Arabia, which isn't a

2315
02:12:20,439 --> 02:12:24,239
nice thing to do. And so I'd like to sort

2316
02:12:24,279 --> 02:12:27,479
of take it in sort of that way. Do carry

2317
02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:30,880
on doing the Reincarnacian stuff, but also more of a

2318
02:12:30,920 --> 02:12:34,439
sort of counseling thing, if you like, because I qualified

2319
02:12:34,479 --> 02:12:38,319
as a therapist about thirty forty years ago, so eating

2320
02:12:38,359 --> 02:12:43,000
it's sort of a natural way to go. Yeah, I

2321
02:12:43,199 --> 02:12:47,279
just after spending my life as a business journalist, I

2322
02:12:47,479 --> 02:12:51,000
just I like helping people and being able to do

2323
02:12:51,079 --> 02:12:55,359
it now without worrying too much about making loads of money,

2324
02:12:56,640 --> 02:12:58,840
which sort of as you get older it doesn't matter

2325
02:12:58,880 --> 02:13:02,119
as much, not that I've got loads of money, but

2326
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:05,560
you don't you know that sort of drive. Yeah, yeah,

2327
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:05,840
it's not.

2328
02:13:06,079 --> 02:13:09,760
Speaker 2: The money is money for money's sake, and yeah, you know,

2329
02:13:10,399 --> 02:13:12,319
it gets you through the day of like buying a

2330
02:13:12,399 --> 02:13:13,840
few things and stuff like that, but at the end

2331
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:16,079
of it, well, what can I do with my life.

2332
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:18,600
Speaker 1: You know, this is a really good thing, I think.

2333
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:20,960
And so but you're writing skills. Are you going to

2334
02:13:21,000 --> 02:13:23,359
write any books or anything like that, mate, I've got

2335
02:13:23,399 --> 02:13:26,439
one at the moment of almost finished. But it's not

2336
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about this subject, funny enough. It's about the link between music,

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neo death experiences and mystical experiences through the ages, from

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from the ends up to modern day. And that comes

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from that experience where I said, when you feel the

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tingles and you're a beautiful piece of music, and that's

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what started the whole thing off. So I could have

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started from that premise and built on that. So excellent, Okay,

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in the next couple of months.

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Speaker 2: So if people want to find out more about the work,

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they can go to your website and standing yeah.

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Speaker 1: Which is simply my name, Roderckmillington dot co dot UK.

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Speaker 2: Okay, brilliant, thank you, right, So if anyone wants to

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check out so there's a lot of recordings on this

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so they can be actually here for themselves, go to

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Rod's website. We'll put the link up is Roderickmlinton dot

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co dot UK. But we'll put the link up on

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the YouTube version and also in the program description if

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you're listening, So it's worth going to that website and

2354
02:14:19,680 --> 02:14:21,680
checking it out for all the information he's got there.

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And I would also recommend as an extra thing is

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look up a film. I think it's on the Vimeo.

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02:14:28,319 --> 02:14:30,520
I think it's pretty certain on Vimeo, which is another

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YouTube type of channel, and that would be called in

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Earth by Daniel Dresen.

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Speaker 1: I think the director is or producer, and it covers

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02:14:38,039 --> 02:14:38,359
a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people that are working in that field of ITC

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and EVP recordings and things like that, and talks about

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some of the people that I've spoken about tonight, like

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the the Bacelli, which is the Italian chap that's done

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recordings and things. So I'd like to say thank you

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very much in d too, Rod for smearing a few

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hours of your valuable time for us.

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Speaker 1: Is very having me. We've enjoyed it Andy. Any final last.

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Speaker 6: Words, it would be interesting if if anyone else has

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got experiences that they want to contact us about in

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terms of e vps, find us on We're on Facebook

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02:15:18,800 --> 02:15:21,000
Paranormal peep Show. We've managed to get rid of all

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the pawn links. By the way, you probably weren't aware

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of that, but.

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Speaker 1: I think you told me before, but they won a

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couple from the other sether then.

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Speaker 6: The box or I don't know. I think it must

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have been bots. Who knows secret services. But and there's

2380
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just loads of loads of porn links that were kind

2381
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of put on our Paranoral peep Show to presumably try

2382
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and get shut down or you know, get strikes or whatever.

2383
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But I found a way of deleting them automatically and

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banning them automatically, and now people have to be approved

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by an admin in or to actually past anything.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant.

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Speaker 3: But if people do want to.

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Speaker 6: Send some genuine EVPs and audios and stuff, do messages

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02:16:08,640 --> 02:16:10,640
on panel peep show, we have to hear them and

2390
02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:11,800
then maybe you could plain.

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02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 1: But another point, Yeah, that'd be great. Yeah, we'll maybe

2392
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get you on the show. Whoever it may be, that's

2393
02:16:16,840 --> 02:16:19,479
got some interesting stuff. And if you've got any ideas

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for programs in the future subjects to cover, please do

2395
02:16:22,640 --> 02:16:24,840
get in touch and let us know. All right, thank

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02:16:24,880 --> 02:16:28,079
you very much, indeed, everybody, and we're catching next month

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on the Paranormal Peep Show. Good night, see letter. You're

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listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network Number one of

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the Paranormal topics in the UK,