WEBVTT 1 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:36.880 Welcome to mid Rats with sal from Commander Salamander an 2 00:00:36.920 --> 00:00:40.200 Eagle one from Eagle Speak at Seer Shore your home 3 00:00:40.240 --> 00:00:43.560 for a discussion of national security issues and all things maritime. 4 00:00:45.600 --> 00:00:49.240 Welcome aboard everybody, especially those that are joining us Live. 5 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:51.320 As I always like to do, want to put out 6 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:52.159 the altar call. 7 00:00:52.359 --> 00:00:55.119 There you are with us Live, and if you are 8 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:56.960 so inclined, go ahead and head on over to the 9 00:00:57.039 --> 00:00:59.840 chat room. That's where you will have an opportunity during 10 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:02.960 the course of especially today's show that if you have 11 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:05.480 a topic you would like for us to discuss, or 12 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:08.879 I just wanted to throw a question to either one 13 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:10.640 of us. That's a perfect place to do it because 14 00:01:10.640 --> 00:01:12.840 we'll be there in the course of the show because 15 00:01:12.840 --> 00:01:16.680 this is our mid October Maritime Melee, or we could 16 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:20.760 say the birthday edition. Happy two hundred and forty ninth 17 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:22.000 Birthday to. 18 00:01:22.120 --> 00:01:22.959 The US Navy. 19 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:25.400 In the pre show, Mark and I we're chatting about it, 20 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:26.920 and we think we're also going to kick it off 21 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:30.519 as kind of the hurricane recovery Melee because both of 22 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.920 us have been impacted in one way from another. And 23 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:36.840 even if you're on the West Coast or Hawaii or Alaska. 24 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:40.920 I think everybody is one degree of separation away from 25 00:01:40.959 --> 00:01:46.439 somebody that had a significant impact from either Helene or Milton. 26 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.359 So with that little kickoff, Hey, happy October to you. 27 00:01:50.640 --> 00:01:54.879 Well, thank you. Happy Navy Birthday to you. Not every 28 00:01:54.959 --> 00:01:57.400 Navy day has been a great Navy day, but just 29 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.760 better than a lot of other days. So you know, 30 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:03.879 I'm I'm glad we have a chance to say happy birthday, Jock. Yes, 31 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.840 and hopefully everybody here will be around to celebrate the 32 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.479 two hundred and fiftieth. That'll be interesting to see what 33 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:13.520 we may have under our sleeve. But yeah, it would 34 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.680 be the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room if 35 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:21.280 we didn't broach it. Because as in all major natural disasters, 36 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:27.280 the had are humanitarian assistance. Disaster response is not just 37 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:31.039 something that we need to prepare to happen overseas, because 38 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:33.400 I think from the time that it first started to 39 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:37.280 grumble there off the Yucatan Peninsula to win, it just 40 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:42.719 devastated everything from the Big Bend part of Florida, which 41 00:02:42.919 --> 00:02:46.199 when you live there you kind of expect that all 42 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:51.000 the way up through Georgia Mountains of western South Carolina. 43 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.879 But then the really big damage that we saw in 44 00:02:53.919 --> 00:02:58.800 western North Carolina where they just got rainfall that you 45 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:03.240 just don't expect to see in your lifetime. Just incredibly 46 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.319 devastating storm that there there are a lot of lessons 47 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:11.599 for for everybody to think about. Yeah, it's uh, it's 48 00:03:11.639 --> 00:03:13.560 important that if you think you're in a safe area, 49 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.120 you still have a disaster preparedness kit because you have 50 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.439 no idea what's going to happen. I mean, it could 51 00:03:19.439 --> 00:03:23.840 be anything from from the sweet meteorite of death, or 52 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.479 it could be a tornado, anything, but you know your 53 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:30.039 house could disappear. You have to make sure you have 54 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.840 some kind of of emergency system in place, where you 55 00:03:34.879 --> 00:03:37.680 have some food, some water set aside, some way to 56 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.639 provide yourself, some emergency shelter. But you know that we 57 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.159 were talking about earlier, we were talking about how well 58 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:45.240 how we how do we tie maritime stuff into this. 59 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:48.439 I think with sal mccarglean, it might have been John Conrad, 60 00:03:48.439 --> 00:03:52.319 but they're talking about the these ships that the the 61 00:03:52.479 --> 00:03:57.280 Maritime Administration is built their their national camera national security 62 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:59.319 ships or something. One of them is being used at 63 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.400 least for one of the Maritime Academies is one of 64 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.400 their ships and they were pointing out those ships really 65 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.879 are designed to health for situations like these disasters. And 66 00:04:07.879 --> 00:04:10.039 and I remember years ago there was somebody down on 67 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:14.439 the Gulf Coast talking about taking an old refrigerated storeship 68 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:19.079 and a FS and converting it into a a recovery 69 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:23.079 ship for disasters like Katrina, like the recent both recent 70 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:27.399 hurricanes that smashed into Florida, and allow these supplies to 71 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:31.399 flow into a disaster area, especially the ones on the 72 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.959 coast where we get to we get the hurricanes, UH 73 00:04:35.480 --> 00:04:38.639 and flooding, and allow these ships to come in and 74 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:40.279 they can carry a heck of a lot more that 75 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.560 you can carry on trucks and and UH and airplanes, 76 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:47.160 bring in water, bring in food, bring in shelter. You 77 00:04:47.160 --> 00:04:50.199 know that that ought to be something that the the 78 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:53.800 Federal Emergency Management Administration ought to be looking at to 79 00:04:53.839 --> 00:04:57.720 have a couple of these ships on standby in the 80 00:04:57.800 --> 00:05:01.480 in the Gulf Coast area or on the East coast 81 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.240 where the hurricanes mostly happened. And also something on the 82 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:10.199 West coast because of the hurricanes, I mean the earthquake situation, 83 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:15.839 because seriously, bad earthquake can do a horrendous amount of 84 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.360 damage and it's a it's a question of what kind 85 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:19.839 of supplies you can get to the people who are 86 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:21.680 going to be in need, and I think this is 87 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:27.120 a job that the maritime services can provide. Historically, many 88 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:29.720 years ago, I did a couple of blog posts on 89 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.279 on how electricity was brought to some of these areas 90 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:38.079 by Navy ships when prior conditions, when earthquakes had caused 91 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.680 harm on the on the West Coast. There's no reason 92 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.519 it can't be done on any of these other areas. 93 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:44.480 If you can find a place to hook up and 94 00:05:44.560 --> 00:05:48.560 start providing power so emergency services can be can be feeled. 95 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.279 I think that's an important thing to consider now. One 96 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.560 of those things that you know people keep proposing, but 97 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.639 always the budgetary restraints where people think, well, well, you 98 00:05:57.759 --> 00:06:00.639 just have the ship sitting around for long periods of time. 99 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:02.519 If you look at the history of hurricanes in the 100 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:05.639 Gulf Coast and on the East coast of Florida and 101 00:06:06.920 --> 00:06:13.399 North Carolina and Georgia South Carolina, the need is going 102 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:15.720 to be there every single year at some point. 103 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:21.959 And I think there's also you know, any disasters, the 104 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:24.439 first thing people need to look at is water. You 105 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.519 can anybody who's been to Seer School knows you can 106 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.079 go a long time without food, relatively speaking, but you 107 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:34.199 can't go along without water. The only thing worse than 108 00:06:34.279 --> 00:06:37.959 no water is bad water, because then you have gi 109 00:06:38.120 --> 00:06:43.120 tract issues that will dehydrate you even faster, and you know, 110 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:45.399 right after water. And it was one of the more 111 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:47.839 interesting things that I saw. And for those that have 112 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.519 been to the really anywhere in the mountains, but especially 113 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:54.079 the mountains of North Carolina, there are some very winding, 114 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:57.480 very narrow roads with some beautiful houses. You've got lots 115 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:02.959 of people who we they retired to Florida. They spend 116 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.360 one summer in Florida and they go, let's go up 117 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.319 to North Carolina instead. There are a lot of people 118 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:11.040 that retire up to the mountains because the weather is great, 119 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:14.560 the people are great, the crime is low, it's relatively affordable, 120 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.720 can't beat the views. But with that comes to people 121 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:21.160 that have needs that use some people who don't have 122 00:07:21.199 --> 00:07:23.879 good help, people who are insulin dependent, people who have 123 00:07:24.000 --> 00:07:27.839 oxygen and a lot of those roads are barely passable 124 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:31.360 now on foot. And there were people who will do 125 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.759 the backcountry camping trips with their mule trains and they 126 00:07:34.839 --> 00:07:35.759 just repurpose them. 127 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:36.879 Who needs what? 128 00:07:37.279 --> 00:07:42.120 And they're everything from mule trains to people using privately 129 00:07:42.160 --> 00:07:46.160 on helicopter and that created a lot of aircraft deconfliction issues. 130 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.879 One thing I kept thinking of two things that tied together. 131 00:07:49.600 --> 00:07:53.079 Some of y'all might remember a little under a decade ago, 132 00:07:53.160 --> 00:07:55.319 and I would love to get an update. Are the 133 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.079 and I'm sure it's availableise I've looked it up. The 134 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:02.439 Marine Corps experiment with two of the Kmax helicopters are 135 00:08:02.439 --> 00:08:06.399 the ones that have the intermeshing rotors, and I actually 136 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:11.360 deployed to Afghanistan with them as uncrewed systems to resupply 137 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:15.120 where the most simple of all things take off from X, 138 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.480 go to Y, drop load go from Y to X, 139 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:23.240 and they carry up to six thousand pounds. Now that's small. 140 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:26.279 Helicopters with the Kmax is a little bit smaller than 141 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.480 a sea sprite. Most in the Navy. You know about 142 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:31.480 the SH two about how small that is. But you 143 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:34.799 also have what we've all seen in Afghanistan. Not in 144 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:39.799 Afghanistan and Ukraine, and for those that have been around agriculture, 145 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:44.000 knew they were around before they became in use in Ukraine. 146 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:45.200 Those are those very. 147 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:51.879 Large agricultural use quad copters that were used in a 148 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:56.320 similar way that people would use crop dusters. But they realize, hey, 149 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.639 this thing can carry. I don't know how much they 150 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.960 can carry. I know they carry least five hundred pounds 151 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.320 or more. They can also drop things. I think the 152 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:10.600 Ukrainians call their militarized versions baba yaga. They're big, They're 153 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:14.320 the size of a little bit, you know, a California 154 00:09:14.440 --> 00:09:17.039 king a wingspan is about what they look at. But 155 00:09:17.200 --> 00:09:22.960 again that's something that humanitarian assistance disaster response. Maybe your 156 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:28.320 only open field is somebody's backyard or a local counties 157 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:32.279 parking lot. Maybe you don't want to risk a big 158 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:35.320 helicopter to come in, But if you can get the 159 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:39.559 right corridors by planning ahead of time, there are some 160 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:44.639 ways these systems that have a variety of uses, but 161 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.720 especially in humanitarian systems disaster response, a lot of the 162 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:55.840 problem is getting important things in isolated locations, and maybe 163 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.559 a mule might not be the best way to do it. 164 00:09:58.679 --> 00:10:02.360 A little small drone maybe can bring a couple of 165 00:10:02.399 --> 00:10:05.639 day supply of insulin, but when you're dealing with lots 166 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:08.320 of people, are you dealing with things like oxygen. You 167 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:14.600 need something that can carry significant weight to isolated, remote 168 00:10:14.600 --> 00:10:17.720 locations that prior aren't very well prepared, and the right 169 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:21.039 answer can't be is we'll have a solution in three weeks. 170 00:10:22.360 --> 00:10:26.559 Yeah, I mean, I think those are the unmanned. The 171 00:10:26.679 --> 00:10:28.799 first thing is, I'm really impressed with all the private 172 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:34.039 helicopter pilots who went and volunteered and have done heroic work. 173 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:37.759 And I'm also now that I mean it takes long 174 00:10:37.840 --> 00:10:40.279 time to get people mobilized. Those guys were able to 175 00:10:40.320 --> 00:10:44.320 mobilize faster because they didn't have to answer anybody. The military, 176 00:10:44.879 --> 00:10:48.000 the National Guard, and the active duty forces required a 177 00:10:48.000 --> 00:10:50.600 little more time. And first thing is that if I 178 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.279 was talking about this earlier, that you have to be 179 00:10:53.320 --> 00:10:55.679 ready to live on your own. I mean, this is 180 00:10:55.679 --> 00:10:58.039 what FEMA, this is what the Red Cross will tell you, 181 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.360 three or four days on your own, have food, have water, 182 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:04.720 or have a way of getting water, and and some 183 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:09.200 way to shelter yourself. And fortunately an Edmund that cold 184 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.720 up in the mountains. But uh, you know, if the 185 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:15.919 hurricane season goes on through November or into early November, 186 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.399 so it's conceivable that you could have some really cold 187 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:19.919 nights up there, and some of these people would be 188 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.360 uh seriously in jeopardy of hypothermia, you know, but they 189 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:27.320 also have to learn to look around to their their situation. 190 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.759 You can get pretty cheaply. These life straws allow you 191 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:33.000 to drink water right out of streams and not and 192 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:34.639 not worry about some of those things you were talking 193 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:38.159 about earlier. You can use these sawyer filters and there 194 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.080 are other catered in filters that hikers use. You know. 195 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:46.080 You can do a few quartz at a at a 196 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:49.559 time with those things. Fill up a bag and they 197 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:53.360 call them a sea knock bag conoc bag that you 198 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.720 can fill with dirty water, run it through a filter 199 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:59.080 into a water bottle, and you've got water, you know. 200 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.639 And that means if you have a stream nearby, or 201 00:12:01.639 --> 00:12:03.200 you know where a stream is, or you have a 202 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.840 lake nearby that didn't that didn't disappear down the side 203 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:09.799 of a hill, you know, you can go get water. 204 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:12.720 You can purify it yourself. You can just use clorox. 205 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:15.519 You can you can let it settle. You can use 206 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:19.639 these other pills, the iodine kind of pills to get 207 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:22.759 the water ready, you know. But that's really important that 208 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.960 you know how to do that, and a lot of people, 209 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:27.240 you know, we always assume that civilization is going to 210 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.440 be civilized all the time, that people have not read 211 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:36.440 enough Prepper books or or Apocalypse Now books. Who you know, 212 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:38.480 what happens when the power goes off? Where are you 213 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:39.919 going to? Where are you going to store your lensen 214 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:42.879 is insulin? Is there a Is there a way to 215 00:12:42.919 --> 00:12:45.000 dip it in a stream to keep it cool? I 216 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.440 mean it's got to be. You know that you can 217 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:53.440 keep the insulin apparently fifty nine eighty eighty six degrees 218 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.879 for up to twenty eight days and will continue to work. 219 00:12:55.919 --> 00:13:00.720 But you've got to make sure that you have what happens, 220 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:02.919 you know, the keeping it drop, just like we used 221 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.960 to cool beer. I hate this, yeah, Beer and sodas 222 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.440 and watermelons used to dip them in streams to keep 223 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:11.039 them cold until you're ready to eat them. So, you know, 224 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.519 people have to be thinking about this stuff. And you know, 225 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:16.240 it's not that it takes a rocket scientist to do this, 226 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.000 but it is important that if wherever you go, you 227 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:21.919 have to be thinking about, well, what if? What if 228 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.559 the tree falls in front of my car? Tree falls 229 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.159 in back of my car? Here I am stuck in 230 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:27.960 the middle of the road and it's the beginning to 231 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:30.320 get cold, it's rainy, and I don't have any food, 232 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.320 you know. It's it's not you need to carry a 233 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:35.240 as you say, you don't need to carry a month 234 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:37.120 supply of food in the car with you. But it's 235 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.440 a good idea to have some kind of way of 236 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:44.240 capturing water, some way of purifying that water, cleaning that 237 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.960 water up so you can drink it. And if you 238 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:51.679 have some food stuff, it's always a good idea to measure, 239 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:54.240 you know, to ration it out so you don't eat 240 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:56.360 it all in the in the first ten minutes of panic. 241 00:13:57.559 --> 00:14:01.399 And I think it's also a good lesson that you 242 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:07.519 don't have to be in great danger area where the 243 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:12.519 expectation is like besides the time, well even when I 244 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:14.759 was in the Navy, but for most of the Navy, 245 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:16.840 I think pretty much I was in the zone. But 246 00:14:19.159 --> 00:14:21.879 I live in a hurricane zone. Hurricanes are just part 247 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:25.399 of life, and you know, folks around here are expecting them. 248 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:27.039 But it don't have to be a hurricane as anything 249 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:32.799 that can happen. What happens if you lose power for 250 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:37.799 a week or two weeks, there can be circumstances that 251 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:40.120 it's not a storm that causes power. You don't again, 252 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:42.240 you don't have to read funky books to know that 253 00:14:42.240 --> 00:14:47.399 that's a definite occurrence. You look at some of the 254 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.279 stories that have come out of Ukraine and they're just 255 00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:56.159 parallel of stories you've always seen in civil conflict, where 256 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.039 people who have never in their life really had to deal, 257 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.399 even very poor people with a lack of running water, 258 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:05.879 a lack of a regular supply of food, lack of 259 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:10.159 heat and cooling our shoes. Even it does not take 260 00:15:10.279 --> 00:15:12.919 long with there's a whole list of things that can 261 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:15.639 happen that everybody should have. You don't have to be 262 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:19.960 a like whatever that character was from the last of us, 263 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.120 who was who had been in his whole life of 264 00:15:23.120 --> 00:15:25.000 preparing for the world to end. You don't have to 265 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:26.399 be one of those guys. You just have to be 266 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:31.000 able to take care of yourself and the people in 267 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.840 your family, and maybe a couple of other people too, 268 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:38.720 until the rest of civil society comes around. And I think, 269 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.759 you know, I liked how you brought up early on. 270 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:45.720 Now not just the private pilots, but a lot of 271 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:49.799 private individuals. They went up and volunteered whether it was 272 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:54.279 helping clear their street or helping their neighbor who might 273 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:58.519 be mobility impaired. Are a bunch of college kids grabbing, uh, 274 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.039 grabbing a couple of friends and loading up a car 275 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:04.320 and going up to where Samaritan's purse it was in 276 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:07.840 western North Carolina, going how can I help? And it's 277 00:16:07.879 --> 00:16:11.919 amazing when you have what two hands can do in 278 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:14.480 the course of seventy two to ninety six hours in 279 00:16:14.519 --> 00:16:17.519 a good organization, multiply that by a couple of thousand, 280 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:20.320 and government can handle the big pixel stuff, but the 281 00:16:20.360 --> 00:16:23.159 little pixel stuff sometimes get overlooked. But if you have 282 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:27.320 good volunteers and good organizations that you can link up with, 283 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:31.360 it's solid. And I think there are lessons from this 284 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:37.360 domestically that I think does play into the national security. 285 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:40.720 Are in a humanitarran assistant disaster response we talk about 286 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.679 we have a lot of those capabilities a resident in 287 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:49.519 the National Guarded Reserves. Yeah, they're great for wartime situations 288 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.960 or in responding like we did in Haiti fifteen years 289 00:16:52.960 --> 00:16:55.759 ago or so after that earthquake, but they're also pretty 290 00:16:55.759 --> 00:16:59.639 good when you have a hurricane, a bad forest fire, 291 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:05.079 your North American natural disaster that we have it. It 292 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:05.880 makes a difference. 293 00:17:06.640 --> 00:17:11.400 Yeah, a NEYC is in the in the chat room communications. Yeah, 294 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.839 that's key. Uh. I have suggested the past, and I 295 00:17:13.880 --> 00:17:17.000 think that the Northern Command was US. Northern Command was 296 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.559 looking at this at one point and maybe think they 297 00:17:19.559 --> 00:17:24.359 bought several thousand small AM radios, MFM radios, so those 298 00:17:24.359 --> 00:17:27.359 things ought to be dropped. Somebody had to fly over 299 00:17:27.359 --> 00:17:30.319 these things and and drop those things where people are. 300 00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:32.039 You don't have to have one for every person, but 301 00:17:32.119 --> 00:17:34.359 you have to have one that can reach a number 302 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:36.680 of people so that they're you know that because if 303 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:39.319 they're battery powered and there and there are people on 304 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:43.640 the ground who can transmit information is absolutely essential. You know, 305 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.759 we're here, we're here to help you, will be as 306 00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:49.640 with you as soon as we can stay near your house, 307 00:17:49.759 --> 00:17:52.759 protect yourself, you know all that stuff that that's the 308 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:56.279 information that's important. Then and if you know, if somebody 309 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:59.519 up there has a has a CB radio or HAM 310 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.400 radio or somebody that they can broadcast say and I've 311 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:05.000 got thirty five people around me, that's great. But the 312 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.559 other side of it is the people that are being 313 00:18:07.559 --> 00:18:09.519 affected need to know that there is help on the 314 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.720 way and what the what the current information is. And 315 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.599 I think that's I think that's a vital thing, and 316 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.960 that ought to be the case in every single disaster. 317 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:21.000 I mean, wherever you lose our normal TV and radio, 318 00:18:21.480 --> 00:18:23.880 there ought to be a system to have. And I 319 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:27.000 know the HAM operators do this because they they they 320 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.039 are pretty mobile about this, but they can't reach everybody. 321 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:31.319 But there ought to be a system where we can 322 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:34.039 get to the public radios where they can listen in 323 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.519 to what's going on. I think it's very important for 324 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.519 national security because that stops a lot of the running 325 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:42.799 around in circles that you see where people are panicking 326 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:44.400 and they don't know, you know, I don't know what's 327 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:45.839 going to happen next. We've all got to get on 328 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.440 the road immediately. You know, you jam the roads up, 329 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.440 you you cost all kinds of other issues. I think 330 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.400 that that is a that's a vital it can be 331 00:18:53.440 --> 00:18:55.880 able to communicate and have people understand what's going on. 332 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.920 Another thing that was an eye opener for me. And 333 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:03.119 by the way, Starlink is not a sponsor of mid Rats, However, 334 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.119 if Elon would like to sponsor an episode or two, 335 00:19:06.400 --> 00:19:08.680 please get in touch with Mark Ryle along, I'll have 336 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:17.279 you look over the contract. But when internet's down, God 337 00:19:17.319 --> 00:19:22.200 bless our our major wireless providers. The towers are pretty resilient. 338 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:23.880 I'm like, okay, I need to check on some things 339 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:27.920 on the Internet. I'll just use cell data. When everybody 340 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:31.119 who usually uses Wi Fi all of a sudden hops 341 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:34.720 on their service provider to do sell data, your throughput's 342 00:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.559 not too great. And I was thinking about a lot 343 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:43.680 of these isolated counties that we saw in western North Carolina, 344 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.359 and you know, even down in southwest Florida, we still 345 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:50.359 have people that don't even have power yet, simply because 346 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:53.799 that store was so impressive in so much of we 347 00:19:54.200 --> 00:19:56.400 that we do. Now, from a communications point of view, 348 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:04.000 you need Internet connectivity and you've got a starlink MANI 349 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:06.599 that you can pick up and that's this is the 350 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.880 kind that's about the size of a laptop and gives 351 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:12.599 you satellite communication. They cost about six hundred bucks and 352 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:17.119 fifty dollars a month for roaming, charges up to one 353 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.279 hundred and sixty five if you need unlimited. But that 354 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.759 that is something that you can't give one to everybody. 355 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:28.839 But if you have various locations that you can drop 356 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:33.039 a Starlink Starlink Mini, you can set up command post 357 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:35.400 to back up for the radio. You get a lot 358 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.359 more bandwidth that way, other people can come in. That's 359 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.680 something else that I think is in our modern age. 360 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.839 It's something to ponder for your disaster kit, especially if 361 00:20:45.880 --> 00:20:49.200 you're really out in the boonies and isolated. How do 362 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.400 you communicate if you don't have a cell tower or 363 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.559 you need to be able to get internet connectivity for 364 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.160 whatever reason? It used to be you know, Antenta the 365 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:02.519 size of a Volkswagen. Now it's the size of a 366 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:10.759 fifteen inch laptop, and it's really approaching affordability for a 367 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:13.640 lot of people, but definitely for governments. And if you 368 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.559 look at I want to say Murphy's law, but it's 369 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.000 not Murphy's law. What's the law where everything doubles at 370 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.359 eighteen months? You know what I mean? 371 00:21:21.640 --> 00:21:25.960 Yeah, well they'll be a bit more affordable computer computer gosh, 372 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:28.480 I can't remember it. Yeah, I mean, I think starlink 373 00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:30.720 is great. I'm sitting here thinking, well, a lot of 374 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:37.240 phones now have surprisingly have satellite emergency satellite communication. I 375 00:21:37.279 --> 00:21:39.039 know that the I know, the Apple phones, do I 376 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.240 think the you know? And you can go if you're 377 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:44.440 going to spend some money, I mean, you can go 378 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:50.519 get these some of these Garmin GPS things, but their 379 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:54.079 satellite communications devices too. So if you're a hiker and 380 00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:56.000 you're off in the boildies, you fall down or break 381 00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:58.519 your leg, you can get on this little tiny garment 382 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.839 thing and book right up to a satellite and send 383 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.400 out your emergency message and tell people you can. They'll 384 00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:07.359 know where you are because it sends out a signal 385 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:09.839 and they can come rescue you. And you know, so 386 00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:12.000 those of us who do a lot of hiking have 387 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:16.319 those things. And again I know starlink has. One of 388 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.920 the things about that or six hundred buck one is 389 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.559 that you can also use it for short term operator. 390 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.000 You know, so if you don't want to run whatever 391 00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.960 it is for fifty dollars a month forever, you can say, okay, 392 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:28.400 and I'm going to be up in the mountains for 393 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:31.240 in my hunting cabin for a couple of months or 394 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:33.640 a couple of weeks. I just you can. You can 395 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.480 buy a short term and use it for that. But 396 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:39.559 the disadvantage is you have to have electricity. I think 397 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:42.000 it has to plug in somewhere, right, I guess you 398 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:43.680 could use if you have a car, and you could 399 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:45.640 probably cut up into your car somehow, but. 400 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.160 It has it has a DC capability where you can 401 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:55.799